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DaemonFC[m]I don't like what's going on in Fedora. Not at all.Aug 13 00:22
MinceR"I don't like this one bit. Not one bit."Aug 13 00:25
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Might be himAug 13 00:28
DaemonFC[m]Right next to a Boys & Girls Club and a high school.Aug 13 00:30
DaemonFC[m]LOLAug 13 00:30
DaemonFC[m]And a park. Hat trick!Aug 13 00:30
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schestowitz"Aug 13 00:33
schestowitzFamily & relativesAug 13 00:33
schestowitz    Pamela E JonesAug 13 00:33
schestowitz    Age 70sAug 13 00:33
schestowitz"Aug 13 00:33
schestowitzLOLAug 13 00:33
schestowitzPJ?Aug 13 00:34
schestowitzI reckon she'd be around that age nowAug 13 00:34
DaemonFC[m]169,017 deadAug 13 00:41
DaemonFC[m]I guess the 200,000 by November 4th lie will need a revision.Aug 13 00:41
DaemonFC[m]If they haven't by now.Aug 13 00:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Accuracy of U.S. coronavirus data thrown into question as decline in testing skews drop in new casesAug 13 00:57
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Testing down 53% in Texas, but only 10% fewer positive daily cases.Aug 13 00:57
DaemonFC[m]Less testing backfires because people have to get sicker to get tested, and by that point they've spread it around more.Aug 13 00:57
DaemonFC[m]So the positive results rate went from about 12% to about 23.5% in the same period.Aug 13 00:58
DaemonFC[m]They're trying to hide the numbers because the Republicans have egg all over their face and the only thing their conspiracy to kill the truth does is result in MORE cases eventually.Aug 13 00:58
DaemonFC[m]The Republican Party is a criminal outfit that is engaged in a conspiracy to try to bury the truth about the Coronavirus.Aug 13 01:01
DaemonFC[m]So testing in Illinois hasn't been affected much because our Governor has been trying to keep a lid on the virus, and you do that with testing. But most of the south never really thought it would be a problem until it was too late. In fact, the Trump Administration leaked memos saying they didn't care about the virus because it was initially starting to affect major cities with Democrats, so their strategy was goingAug 13 01:03
DaemonFC[m]to be to blame Democrats.Aug 13 01:03
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oiaohmUSA is on a really stupid route.Aug 13 01:22
oiaohmDetecting cases in Australia ramp up testing due to contact tracing causing more testings.Aug 13 01:24
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DaemonFC[m]I hope those people fucking die. They deserve it for letting a government like that take over.Aug 13 01:47
DaemonFC[m]The people who are playing this down and put stupid people in charge of their local government are a bunch of nasty old Republicans and the fewer of them when the election rolls around, the better.Aug 13 01:49
DaemonFC[m]Maybe we'll avoid 4 more years of national tragedy when they're not voting anymore.Aug 13 01:50
DaemonFC[m]The real tragedy here isn't a virus that's mostly killing people who are too stupid to take it seriously and stay away from it. It's what it's done to our economy and that it forced people who know what this is and appreciate what it can do into hiding.Aug 13 01:51
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DaemonFC[m]The people like my mother are the ones who ruined this country with their vote because they consider people like my spouse to be trash (she even said as much, basically, a few times), and they didn't see Trump being so stupid that he'd let something like this in to kill them.Aug 13 01:52
DaemonFC[m]This thing in Florida will just go on killing hundreds each day for at least a few months because Florida is a giant trash can.Aug 13 01:53
DaemonFC[m]The only good thing is that given that elections there are often decided by hundreds or a few thousand votes, and the people this thing is killing scores of are old people in MAGA hats, many people in Florida are totally pissed off right now, and the ones it is killing were likely going to vote for Trump had they been alive when the voting started in the last week of October. Aug 13 01:54
DaemonFC[m]The Republicans figured early voting helps working class people who don't vote for them and curtailed it because old people are dead weight with nothing to do all day except hobble over to the polling place to screw everyone else. Aug 13 01:55
DaemonFC[m]This year, they need absentee and early voting more than the Democrats do, and not having that extra 30 days of voting means that about 7,000 more old folks in Florida die while other states are voting already.Aug 13 01:55
DaemonFC[m]Possibly more.Aug 13 01:56
DaemonFC[m]So they've hurt their own turnout in a state where hundreds of votes can throw the entire state one way or the other.Aug 13 01:56
DaemonFC[m]The Coronavirus will lose Florida for Trump, and it didn't have to be that way.Aug 13 01:57
DaemonFC[m]If he had taken it seriously and projected that Republicans didn't have to deliberately not wear masks and whatnot, then Florida never would have turned out the way it has.Aug 13 01:58
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DaemonFC[m]This country is basically hell on Earth this year.Aug 13 02:09
DaemonFC[m]They shut down pretty much anything that's fun.Aug 13 02:09
DaemonFC[m]I have to wear a mask that makes my glasses steam up.Aug 13 02:09
DaemonFC[m]Trump demanded college football and they said "No." immediately because he wanted to distract the stupid drunk redneck trash that votes for him from the fact that they haven't had any food or money to pay their mortgage with in a while.Aug 13 02:11
DaemonFC[m]I wish that these people who got themselves killed already anyway would just hurry up and die already.Aug 13 02:12
DaemonFC[m]Apparently they can stack shit pretty damned high because there's no end in sight. Aug 13 02:13
DaemonFC[m]The only reason we're not hitting 70,000 cases a day anymore is because Trump finally got what he wanted and testing is way down. Aug 13 02:15
DaemonFC[m]Which isn't great. Results in more deaths later and nearly as many cases registered.Aug 13 02:15
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DaemonFC[m]The food pantry is really running low now.Aug 13 02:29
DaemonFC[m]Hope you like gardettos and lima beans.Aug 13 02:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Illinois coronavirus: Assaulting worker enforcing face masks is felonyAug 13 02:30
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: darn that suxs to be USA.   we have a public heath act.Aug 13 02:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Coronavirus Australia: Why face masks are mandatory and can police enforce them?Aug 13 02:33
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oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: really question why does it is special for a person enforcing face marks policy that its a felony.   Here in Australia assaulting a staff member no matter the request is a felony.Aug 13 02:37
DaemonFC[m]oiaohm: It's an aggravating factor.Aug 13 02:38
DaemonFC[m]There's numerous ways you can raise simple battery (a class C misdemeanor) to an A misdemeanor or a D or C Felony in Illinois. Each time you aggravate battery, it goes up  one or more letters or into the Felony range.Aug 13 02:39
DaemonFC[m]Normally it jumps straight to a felony if you attack a senior citizen, a cop, a social worker, a probation officer, a teacher, a fire fighter, or a paramedic.Aug 13 02:39
DaemonFC[m]Now that includes a retail worker who is conveying a public health message, and that's been made necessary because of Republicans attacking retail workers for asking them to wear a mask.Aug 13 02:40
DaemonFC[m]But it can actually get much worse. The D Felony is retail worker says wear a mask and you punch him.Aug 13 02:40
DaemonFC[m]If you aggravate it again by pulling a knife, it's a C Felony, and pulling a gun would jump to a B Felony.Aug 13 02:41
DaemonFC[m]If you pull a gun on an elderly retail worker for saying wear a face mask, you've committed a Class A Felony. 20 years to life. Aug 13 02:41
oiaohmOk I see difference.Aug 13 02:42
DaemonFC[m]Also, you could get there by pulling a gun on a retail worker for saying wear a face mask and you shout "Don't you tell me to wear a mask you stupid n****r fag! I voted for Trump!".Aug 13 02:42
oiaohmcop in Australia does not have special protection.Aug 13 02:42
DaemonFC[m]That would be a double aggravated battery with a firearm and a hate crime sentencing enhancement.Aug 13 02:43
oiaohmFun part of Australia when  police officer arrest you they are technically performing a Citizen’s Arrest.Aug 13 02:44
oiaohmSo we don't have this special you assust police officer you get some special extra level of charge.Aug 13 02:45
oiaohmThe base starting point for Assault cases is just higher for everyone.Aug 13 02:45
DaemonFC[m]They can also hit you with the FOID law if you don't have a CCW and FOID card. Aug 13 02:45
oiaohmHaving a gun in a retail store in the first place without being a security guard of the store or a police officer would see you mega screwed in Australia.Aug 13 02:47
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oiaohmOk you can have a gun in a store and not be those in a portable gun safe setup ie a locked box that you cannot access quickly.Aug 13 02:47
DaemonFC[m]You need a CCW and a FOID to have a concealed firearm on you in Illinois.Aug 13 02:48
oiaohmSame with having a knife on your person.Aug 13 02:48
DaemonFC[m]It is then a crime to have it in any business that does not allow it in there.Aug 13 02:48
oiaohmAustralia there is no such thing as legal concealed carried other than secured carry.Aug 13 02:49
oiaohmYes you can have a second weapon concealed but 1 weapon must be visible of the same class.Aug 13 02:49
oiaohmknife does not need in a locked box like a gun.   Knife techically can be in a backpack/bag as long as you have a valid reason for it being there like with your lunch.   Knife in a general pocket is no.   If the knife is something you need for work in rapid access you will have it on belt so visable.Aug 13 02:54
oiaohmFun part of Australia laws is Dangerous articles.    You see in USA movies people with bits of pipe, baseball bats, hammers ....  All those bits you need explainable reason why you have them in Australia.Aug 13 02:59
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Thomas Keller is now facing 16 felonies.Aug 13 03:06
DaemonFC[m]The Lake County prosecutor is getting a lot more aggressive lately.Aug 13 03:09
DaemonFC[m]Election coming up and he isn't doing well, so suddenly he's doing his job and coming down on people like this and making examples of them.Aug 13 03:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Chicago looting leaves residents feeling unsafe, ready to flee city, property management company tells Mayor Lori Lightfoot - ABC7 ChicagoAug 13 03:28
DaemonFC[m]Rich white people wonder why they have to live in the same terror that residents of South Chicago do normally. Afraid to send their kids outside to play.Aug 13 03:29
DaemonFC[m]I never saw any kids at the park across the street when I lived in South Shore.Aug 13 03:29
DaemonFC[m]"We're rich. We deserve better! If you don't do something, we'll move!"Aug 13 03:29
DaemonFC[m]They're used to the police camped out making sure hardly anything happens on the north side. As soon as anything happens there, usually, here comes the police. ALL of the police. Meanwhile, it goes from someone being murdered to 3-4 cops showing up an hour later on the south side.Aug 13 03:31
DaemonFC[m]The cops are only worried about protecting the parts of the city where they get lots of taxes.Aug 13 03:32
DaemonFC[m]The only thing the city worries about is how to push more normal people out of the city so they can charge outrageous rents and taxes.Aug 13 03:32
DaemonFC[m]There's no doubt in my mind that the reason the cops didn't respond to an Indian man who owns a convenience store, who spent $300,000 to rebuild it in May, the last time it was looted, and says he can't afford to do it again, when they were standing right down the street..... Is they don't care about hard working immigrants who came here an made something out of themselves and started a business. He picked the wrongAug 13 03:34
DaemonFC[m]state to start a business in.Aug 13 03:34
DaemonFC[m]He picked one where the city will tax him, let his business be destroyed by outlaws twice while the police are watching and don't do shit, and won't let him buy a gun to protect it with himself.Aug 13 03:34
oiaohm   All the studies on Gun usage lead agree on one thing.    A gun is missed used at least 98 % percent of the time vs the 2% of the time at best it use for so call self defense.Aug 13 04:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Defensive gun use - WikipediaAug 13 04:10
oiaohmEven in the USA there is a higher odds if you own a gun that you will shot yourself with that gun then use it for self defense.Aug 13 04:12
oiaohmReally the stats don't back the concept of self defense as really a valid gun reason.   Particular once you start split defence of other from self defense.  Defence of other is when you point a gun at someone while they are focused on another target this maybe a person or the item they are stealing.  Defense of other is when a firearm really works. Aug 13 04:21
cybrNautDaemonFC[m]: why can't he buy a gun to protect his shop?Aug 13 04:52
DaemonFC[m]Because even if he jumps through hoops, the prosecutor will certainly indict him for murder for protecting himself when the whole city goes nuts again.Aug 13 04:53
DaemonFC[m]Again, they have a free pass to tear the city apart, rob from people who are trying to earn a living, generally act like idiots, and nothing ever happens.Aug 13 04:55
DaemonFC[m]So people are threatening to just up and leave the city and let the bank and the government duke it out for the house.Aug 13 04:55
cybrNautthe best security is insuranceAug 13 04:55
DaemonFC[m]The insurance has a riot provision.Aug 13 04:56
DaemonFC[m]Plus even if it doesn't, your premiums will go up, so you pay for your own store being vandalized either way.Aug 13 04:56
cybrNautah, right, i've heard that.  But i've also heard ppl making claims recently after the Floyd riots, so it seems some policies are decentAug 13 04:56
DaemonFC[m]The riots have nothing to do with George Floyd.Aug 13 04:57
cybrNauti'm talking about the Floyd riotsAug 13 04:57
DaemonFC[m]They're opportunists who know that if anyone does anything to stop black criminals now, they'll be called racists.Aug 13 04:57
DaemonFC[m]Did you see even one white person looting the loop?Aug 13 04:57
DaemonFC[m]Because I didn't.Aug 13 04:57
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot?Aug 13 05:05
DaemonFC[m]Illinois is basically fucked.Aug 13 05:05
DaemonFC[m]It's borrowing straight from the Federal Reserve now because nobody will loan the state money at the rates it was looking for because the credit rating is about to be cut to Junk.Aug 13 05:06
DaemonFC[m]If an entire state has a sovereign default, guess what happens.Aug 13 05:08
DaemonFC[m]So the Fed is feeding a state that is out of control so that it won't go bust, and the loans will probably never be paid back.Aug 13 05:09
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DaemonFC[m]The only state losing population faster than Illinois is West Virginia.Aug 13 05:19
DaemonFC[m]There's less and less demand for coal each year and West Virginia never diversified their economy, so there's no jobs if you stay. So that's obviously more pressure to leave than crime getting worse or taxes getting higher.Aug 13 05:20
psydreadso Chicago will become a ghost town just like Detroit did?Aug 13 05:39
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DaemonFC[m]<psydread "so Chicago will become a ghost t"> It could.Aug 13 06:01
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Fedora Infrastructure - StatusAug 13 07:42
schestowitz"Service 'ABRT Server' now has status: major: read the infra status link at the top"Aug 13 07:42
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Ariadnethe retrace service is offlineAug 13 07:54
Ariadnebecause they are moving itAug 13 07:54
schestowitzmaybe to awsAug 13 07:56
schestowitzthough it is not clear what's going onAug 13 07:56
schestowitzlast year they named the DC's locationAug 13 07:56
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schestowitz"Many were fired from Mozilla.  Which areas were they working in?"Aug 13 08:05
schestowitzI wonder the same thing. I know which areas they did NOT work in.Aug 13 08:05
schestowitzSo much for transparency...Aug 13 08:05
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schestowitzAriadne: plan still on for testing an upgrade/test in new container? WP 5.5 was released 2 days ago.Aug 13 11:13
Ariadneprobably sundayAug 13 11:21
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psydread"Azure and Microsoft 365 are financial successes, xbox is also doing better and better again" Aug 13 12:21
psydreadis this true? is there information to the contrary?Aug 13 12:21
oiaohmpsydread: Azure being successful from a profit point of veiw should not be hard.Aug 13 12:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server | ZDNetAug 13 12:49
oiaohmIf the goal it to keep users on Windows Server is slowly failing at that objective.Aug 13 12:50
MinceRi don't get why people even use azureAug 13 12:57
MinceRthey aren't forced to, are thay?Aug 13 12:58
MinceRs/ay/ey/Aug 13 12:58
oiaohmMinceR:   Its pricing.Aug 13 13:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Azure vs AWS Pricing: Comparing Apples to ApplesAug 13 13:00
oiaohmAzure is priced cheaper than AWS for a lot of cases.Aug 13 13:00
oiaohmNot that I like the idea of using either.Aug 13 13:00
oiaohmWhen you have penny pinches making purchasing choices.Aug 13 13:01
oiaohmOf course the price Azure charges other parties make profit.Aug 13 13:04
MinceR 13 13:04
oiaohmMinceR: that a really good way of looking at those prices.Aug 13 13:06
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schestowitz[12:21] <psydread> "Azure and Microsoft 365 are financial successes, xbox is also doing better and better again" Aug 13 13:16
schestowitzAzure has layoffsAug 13 13:16
schestowitzand Azure, according to insiders, was losing loads of money and maybe still isAug 13 13:16
schestowitz[13:00] <oiaohm> Azure is priced cheaper than AWS for a lot of cases.Aug 13 13:17
schestowitzsubsidy at a loss?Aug 13 13:17
schestowitzand if so, how long before Azure shuts down?Aug 13 13:17
schestowitzleaving people high and dryAug 13 13:17
oiaohmThe price Azure is selling stuff at is not the lowest price in the market.Aug 13 13:17
schestowitzof the costs soar once people are trapped inside?Aug 13 13:17
schestowitzoiaohm: you are changing the subjectAug 13 13:18
oiaohmSo costs Microsoft is charging they should be able to make a profit out AzureAug 13 13:18
oiaohmIf not its miss management Microsoft side.Aug 13 13:18
oiaohmOf course this is Microsoft.Aug 13 13:18
oiaohmschestowitz: basically it should not be a subsidy at a loss.   If you compare Azure to lot of the largest vendors they are cheaper.   But there are other vendors who have extisted decades making profit with lower prices than azure.Aug 13 13:23
oiaohmSo if Azure is well managed and they are not overspending it should be making a profit.Aug 13 13:24
oiaohmProblem does well managed and Mircosoft in fact work out.Aug 13 13:24
psydreadschestowitz, I put it in quotes because that's what someone told me today. These people are lying with a straight face and making you prove that what you're saying isn't trueAug 13 13:24
MinceRwhat have they lumped in with azure for the purposes of profit accounting?Aug 13 13:25
oiaohmCore bit of Azure the cloud services should be profit.Aug 13 13:25
MinceRnot if they're selling it below costAug 13 13:26
oiaohmOthers are able are able to operate at lower cost providing the same classes of servers at profit.Aug 13 13:26
oiaohmso Azure well managed should be more income than costs.Aug 13 13:27
oiaohmNow is Azure well managed that the open question.Aug 13 13:27
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psydreadit's because Apple is moving away from x86, Chromebooks are becoming more popular as well as GNU/Linux itself, so I see more and more MS stooges talking about MS in unrelated news itemsAug 13 13:30
psydreadthis must be true in the Anglosphere as wellAug 13 13:30
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psydreadyou either make a loss or you make a profit, it can't be bothAug 13 13:31
psydreadunless you live in the MS universe, that isAug 13 13:31
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MinceRanyway, how do we know that azure is profitable?Aug 13 13:36
psydreadwe don'tAug 13 13:37
MinceR 13 13:37
psydreadyou don't shut down datacentres and let go of personnel if business is going wellAug 13 13:37
oiaohmIts really hard to tell if a company is or is not making a profit with the accountancy things that can be done in background.Aug 13 13:38
oiaohmAll you can really do is look at what they are charging and the calculated costs to provide the service and work out if it at all possible todo so and make a profit.Aug 13 13:39
oiaohmMicrosoft charge rates on Azure are not throat cutting level alone.Aug 13 13:39
oiaohmMiss management at those charge rates it could turn throat cutting fairly quick.,Aug 13 13:40
oiaohmpsydread:  there are a lot of rummers around google looking to source arm chips for something.Aug 13 13:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Samsung to design a custom Exynos chip for Google - newsAug 13 13:41
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oiaohmI would believe at the early charge rates and the effort Microsoft was going to with different thing early on they were making a loss back then.Aug 13 13:44
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psydreadoiaohm, if Google really wanted it could do what Amazon did with Graviton and slowly cut Intel and AMD out of their datacentres as wellAug 13 13:47
oiaohmGood question is how much is items like github costing and are those costs being billed against azure.Aug 13 13:50
MinceRah, so they're having their pocket labelled "github" pay their pocket labelled "azure" to make the latter seem profitableAug 13 13:51
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oiaohmMinceR: or the reverse.Aug 13 13:57
oiaohmAzure base services should make profit.  Now if you add on enough things not making a profit to hide the loses you can end up with a total loss.Aug 13 13:57
oiaohmThe accountancy shuffle problem.Aug 13 13:58
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schestowitzit's not a "problem"Aug 13 14:00
schestowitzit's a financial crimeAug 13 14:00
schestowitzand they keep committing that crimeAug 13 14:00
MinceRand they keep getting away with itAug 13 14:00
schestowitz 13 14:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft “Azure” (or “Cloud”) Results Are Most Likely an Elaborate Fraud | TechrightsAug 13 14:01
MinceRbecause they're a government-sanctioned {mono,oligo}polyAug 13 14:01
schestowitzgithub losses:   MinceR: 13 14:01
MinceRand the state is the biggest criminal organization in the universeAug 13 14:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | GitHug – A Guest Article by Thomas Grzybowski | TechrightsAug 13 14:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft Caught Committing Yet More Bribery Crimes, But Nobody Gets Arrested | TechrightsAug 13 14:01
schestowitzMinceR: some Hungarian man had the balls (or eggs) to wear a shift with facts printed on itAug 13 14:01
schestowitzmedia portrayed the whole thing as a nut... and the criminal as the victimAug 13 14:02
schestowitzMinceR: military-sanctionedAug 13 14:02
schestowitzit's strategic to US 13 14:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Full-spectrum dominance - WikipediaAug 13 14:02
MinceRthe mafia defines what is allowed and what is trueAug 13 14:02
schestowitzshift->shirtAug 13 14:02
schestowitzwhen it runs the state, TV does toAug 13 14:02
schestowitz*tooAug 13 14:02
MinceRand the masses go along with it and support itAug 13 14:02
MinceRbecause "social contract"Aug 13 14:02
schestowitz"social construct"?Aug 13 14:07
MinceRnoAug 13 14:10
MinceRthis scam >> 13 14:10
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psydreadinstitutionalised mafia practices?Aug 13 14:11
psydreadI'm reading the red hat article from today and all they can come up with is "conspiracy nut case"Aug 13 14:13
psydreadare the numbers of sociopaths in these companies much larger than we ever expected?Aug 13 14:14
psydreadbecause this is merely projection of what they themselves areAug 13 14:14
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MinceR13 151101 < psydread> institutionalised mafia practices?Aug 13 14:18
MinceRyes, also known as statismAug 13 14:18
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schestowitz[14:14] <psydread> because this is merely projection of what they themselves areAug 13 15:35
schestowitzno idea...Aug 13 15:35
schestowitzbut I saw another one like thatAug 13 15:35
schestowitzat least his tweet was preceded by disclosureAug 13 15:35
schestowitzI welcome rebuttals with actual substanceAug 13 15:35
scientesI never lived somewhere where you don't have to water your gardenAug 13 15:51
scientesbut Georgia is one of those places, along the black seaAug 13 15:51
scientesoh, I guess there were microclimates in Hawaii that also have predicable delugesAug 13 15:52
MinceRi know people who got used to not having to water their plantsAug 13 15:53
MinceRbut that's been fucked up by humanity alreadyAug 13 15:53
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scientesMinceR, that comic sucksAug 13 16:47
MinceRno uAug 13 16:47
scientesand they have the same dumb ad on the top of every comicAug 13 16:47
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scientespsydread, I'm starting to graduate spanish pop music. I've gotten to the point where it is fucking annoyingAug 13 17:21
psydreadscientes, because you're starting to understand that those songs are about nothing interesting and largely all sound the same?Aug 13 17:23
scientessame as English pop music, of courseAug 13 17:23
scientesexcept it is woorse in spanish as it is all reggaetonAug 13 17:23
psydreadthat's something I've found too, but I didn't know reggaeton was that popularAug 13 17:24
psydreaddo you see a difference between music from South America and from Spain?Aug 13 17:24
scienteswhen I was in Arequipa I was at this computer store and they had a "no reggaeton" sign up for the employeesAug 13 17:24
scientespsydread, they all do mixes, and the big bands like Morat change from legally being in Colombia, Spain, and now MexicoAug 13 17:25
scientesits all the market is whyAug 13 17:25
scientesDisney even enlisted a bunch of bilingual actors and does bilingual stuffAug 13 17:26
scientesSpanish/PortugeeseAug 13 17:26
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psydreadscientes, I don't know much about modern Spanish/Portuguese music except from what I heard many years ago, but I found this fusion between Spanish and Moroccan music from the south of Spain (Andalusia) last year, 13 17:48
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scientespsydread, I had a friend that played Spanish FlamincoAug 13 17:56
DaemonFC[m]> I wonder the same thing. I know which areas they did NOT work in.Aug 13 17:57
DaemonFC[m]Mozilla said it themselves that they're keeping the people who work on the ad platform "pocket" and their paid services because the "everything is free model doesn't make enough money".Aug 13 17:57
scientespsydread, you are aware of the history of the guitar right?Aug 13 17:57
DaemonFC[m]MinceR Social Contract lol.Aug 13 17:57
scientesThe Spanish created it because they hated the popular lute at the time because it was MoorishAug 13 17:58
scientesor rather associated with Arabian cultureAug 13 17:58
DaemonFC[m]Social Contract means it's illegal for anyone to urinate in public, but the police will allow 999 other people to do it right in front of them and cite you because you're not an "oppressed minority".Aug 13 17:58
DaemonFC[m]You're not oppressed, therefore you're the only one getting punished for breaking the law.Aug 13 17:59
DaemonFC[m]See how that works?Aug 13 17:59
MinceRyeahAug 13 18:00
psydreadscientes, but why that hate, if your own music contains elements of that Arabian music (and through that perhaps Persian and Indian influences)?Aug 13 18:00
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psydreadis that still how they perceive it?Aug 13 18:01
DaemonFC[m]That's assuming that the Lake County False-Accuser Michael Nerheim doesn't just invent crimes for himself to solve because it's getting close to the election.Aug 13 18:01
scientesvery few people know that historyAug 13 18:01
DaemonFC[m]I don't know how much the budget cuts affected the False-Accuser's office. My guess is they found a way to spare him and take more money from the Public Pretender. That's government for you.Aug 13 18:02
scientesthe Indian music certainly is very differentAug 13 18:02
scientesand when it got the classical treatment guitar became very advanced instrumentAug 13 18:03
scientesinstead of just folk musicAug 13 18:03
DaemonFC[m]They give the Public Defender about half the budget of the Prosecutor in normal times.Aug 13 18:04
DaemonFC[m]Even though about 86% who get arrested can't afford an attorney.Aug 13 18:04
scientesIndian music really is the only other system besides the "classical" music traditionAug 13 18:04
DaemonFC[m]I sure hope that whoever has to take on Thomas Keller figures out a way to make him go away quickly and at minimal expense.Aug 13 18:04
DaemonFC[m]There's people who really nees the Public Defender because they are being wrongly and maliciously prosecuted.Aug 13 18:05
DaemonFC[m]Here we have a shitdick that's taking up valuable resources while he's facing 16 felony counts and 14 of them should be prison for the rest of your life type stuff.Aug 13 18:06
DaemonFC[m]But they may not be. Michael Nerheim is well known for barking a lot worse than his bute when it comes to people who should be locked up and have the key thrown away.Aug 13 18:07
scientesthe chinese have a pretty awesome harp thingAug 13 18:07
psydreadI've been to quite a few Persian and Indian classical concerts apart from being raised in the latter culture, but I also grew up with western culture so it's nice to be able to contrast things and take influences from all of themAug 13 18:07
scientesbut its just penatonicAug 13 18:07
scientesits not advanced musicAug 13 18:07
scientesthe Indian music is certainly as advanced as the penatonic system that defines classical musicAug 13 18:07
scientes 13 18:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Guzheng - WikipediaAug 13 18:08
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz See, that's what's wrong with all of these judges up here.Aug 13 18:08
scientes*the even tempered tuning system that defines classical musicAug 13 18:08
DaemonFC[m]If Rick Jones faced the same charges in Indiana he'd have an express ticket straight to the state prison and nobody would see him again for like 5 years.Aug 13 18:08
scienteswhere the notes are on a logarithmic scaleAug 13 18:08
scientesI don't think this gets to the even tempered tuning part 13 18:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Physics of Music: Crash Course Physics #19 - YouTubeAug 13 18:10
scientesalso its important to know the systolic and diastolic of the heart, as pop music in particular plays off that a lotAug 13 18:11
DaemonFC[m]MinceR ABC7 Chicago reports that a gang of black teenagers in Chicago carjacked a man at gunpoint the other day.Aug 13 18:11
DaemonFC[m]They're riding Divvy bikes in the security camera footage.Aug 13 18:11
DaemonFC[m]Well, at least they're getting their exercise.Aug 13 18:11
psydreadI should read more about thatAug 13 18:12
scientesIndian music does *not* use even tempered tuning, but does play ever note that western music does. It makes up for the loss in complexity by having very complicated rythms.Aug 13 18:12
DaemonFC[m]Bonus points for the exercise they got from pulling an 83 year old man out of the car and throwing him on the ground and then throwing his bag of groceries at him.Aug 13 18:12
scientesAs even tempered tuning is a compromise, and makes the music sound a little funny (although our ears are use to it).Aug 13 18:12
DaemonFC[m]Security cameras be raycisssssss!Aug 13 18:12
scientespsydread, there isn't that much to readAug 13 18:13
DaemonFC[m]I finna have ta talk to her excellency the mayor bout this booolshit.Aug 13 18:13
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DaemonFC[m]They don't care about the security cameras or the police.Aug 13 18:14
psydreadscientes, I want to learn more about it, thoughAug 13 18:14
DaemonFC[m]They'll swarm the L train and mug everyone on the train. One of them will hold a ba GB out while the others point guns and tell people to empty their pockets.Aug 13 18:15
psydreadI brought my electric guitar recently and I have an acoustic one here as well, I just need to get new stringsAug 13 18:15
scientesspanish classical or steel string?Aug 13 18:16
psydreadI'm not a good player or anything, but I used to enjoy playing before moving aroundAug 13 18:16
DaemonFC[m]Chicago has been a cesspit even before the cops lost control. What did these people who are threatening to move out think that voting for Lori Lightfoot meant for the city?Aug 13 18:16
psydreadspanish classicalAug 13 18:16
scientescoolAug 13 18:16
scientesthose are nicer for folk musicAug 13 18:16
psydreadit's just that there is something wrong with it as a friend with absolute hearing told meAug 13 18:17
scientesBut music is one of those places where the uselessness of theoretic "knowledge" becomes apparentAug 13 18:17
psydreadbut I'll get a new one sooner or laterAug 13 18:17
psydreadyeahAug 13 18:18
scientesJust tune it with a phoneAug 13 18:18
scientesit is easyAug 13 18:18
scientesanyone can do itAug 13 18:18
scientesit use to be alot harder without all these good microphonesAug 13 18:18
psydreadhe said there is something fundamentally wrong with itAug 13 18:18
scienteswell, his ears would have nothing to do with thatAug 13 18:18
scientesbut if it is the cheapest that is quite possibleAug 13 18:18
scientesthat video is also annoying because it gives the frequency of middle CAug 13 18:19
scientesinstead of the A above middle C which is what everony uses are reference, and is usually 400 hzAug 13 18:19
scientes*44-Aug 13 18:20
scientes*440Aug 13 18:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Chicago looting: CPD seeking public's help in identifying suspected Downtown, Gold Coast looters - ABC7 ChicagoAug 13 18:20
scientesbut outside of english everong uses do, re, mi, fa, so, la , ti, doAug 13 18:20
DaemonFC[m]100% black. 75% male. Roughly 90% under 35.Aug 13 18:20
DaemonFC[m]Good luck!Aug 13 18:20
scientesso its kinda like the metric systemAug 13 18:21
DaemonFC[m]The reason why black men over 35 usually don't commit too much crime is because the ones that get involved in gangs are usually shot dead between the age of 12-34.Aug 13 18:21
DaemonFC[m]It's not a career where you're checking out which retirement village to spend your 60s through your 90s in.Aug 13 18:21
DaemonFC[m]In Chicago, consider that between 700-1000 people are shot dead every year. 90% of the deaths are gang members.Aug 13 18:22
DaemonFC[m]Each year you're in a gang, you have a pretty decent chance of being in that figure.Aug 13 18:23
DaemonFC[m]The people who reach 35 probably were not in a gang.Aug 13 18:23
DaemonFC[m]It's an endless cycle because they'll get someone pregnant along the way (or more than one), and the mother will be single and become a ward of the state along with the kids, and then when they're like 12, they'll probably be in a gang too.Aug 13 18:24
DaemonFC[m]The Democrat plan to solve the problem cheaply was let anyone go on Medicaid and get an abortion.Aug 13 18:25
DaemonFC[m]In the first entire year of the plan being in effect, there were about 3,600 more abortions in Illinois. In Chicago, roughly 2,500.Aug 13 18:25
DaemonFC[m]Even if we assume that the figure remains constant and people don't just keep doing it and doing it, then we have a small version of that part of the book Freakanomics, which showed that after Roe v. Wade, the violent crime wave that was sweeping the cities subsided approximately 18-20 years after the ruling (1994-1996) and never got that bad again.Aug 13 18:27
DaemonFC[m]So the Democrat plan to deal with crime in Chicago was to just give single black mothers all the abortions they want so they won't cost the state welfare money and have kids that end up in gangs.Aug 13 18:27
DaemonFC[m]The state of Illinois figures dealing with the problem at the source at $500 a pop is a net savings because it won't have to spend millions on each individual for welfare and clogging the courts and prisons.Aug 13 18:28
DaemonFC[m]They've managed to fly this thing under the radar and completely avoid the accusation of racist policy.Aug 13 18:28
psydreadscientes, I went to this concert of modern Russian music in 2012 with pieces from Rachmaninov, Prokofiev and Shchedrin and had a hard time wrapping my head around that, as while it was technically great, it didn't do much for me to excite me Aug 13 18:28
DaemonFC[m]Meanwhile, everyone is worried about what language is used in the Linux kernel. All white people from what I've been able to gather.Aug 13 18:29
DaemonFC[m]They're not talking about the abortion factories in Illinois snuffing out 36,000 more infants per decade. Aug 13 18:29
schestowitzthe looters are CEOsAug 13 18:30
schestowitzfriends of the presAug 13 18:30
schestowitzbig looters 13 18:30
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Yeah, they don't want to pay shit for welfare, so they got the Democrats to rev up the abortion factories in Illinois. I'm not factually wrong, am I?Aug 13 18:31
DaemonFC[m]So with the Democrats it's abortion on steroids and with the Republicans it's "Here, have all the little monsters you want and live in Gary, Indiana and have fun with that.".Aug 13 18:32
schestowitzinequality leads to rotsAug 13 18:32
schestowitzriotsAug 13 18:32
DaemonFC[m]I can't rightly tell you which is more disgusting. I guess the Democrat plan is not as bad. Aug 13 18:32
schestowitzand societal breakdown when people get evicted etc.Aug 13 18:32
schestowitzstart by fixing the systemAug 13 18:33
schestowitzlooting by the poor will have less incentive leading to itAug 13 18:33
DaemonFC[m]If there's no jobs for them to go to and they just join gangs and carjack people and sling drugs and shoot at each other all day long, what's the point?Aug 13 18:33
DaemonFC[m]It's going to be a short life with a violent ending.Aug 13 18:33
schestowitzbefore covid these riots were rarerAug 13 18:34
schestowitzyou can see the correlation between poverty/desperation and joining riotsAug 13 18:34
DaemonFC[m]It's going to take about 13-14 years of the abortion law being in effect before we even start to see a possible decrease in crime due to it. Aug 13 18:34
schestowitzeven if that all started as FloydAug 13 18:34
schestowitzto many there are last straws regardlessAug 13 18:34
DaemonFC[m]That's usually when the police start hauling them in for shooting and robbing people.Aug 13 18:34
DaemonFC[m]But 13-14 years in and continuing....BAM.Aug 13 18:35
DaemonFC[m]40,000 less criminals who would be there. Crime takes a nosedive. No police having to go in and deal with it and sparking a race war.Aug 13 18:36
scientespsydread, Stalin felt the same wayAug 13 18:36
DaemonFC[m]It doesn't take too many criminals to upend a city. If you can get hundreds or thousands out of the picture, your crime will drop noticeably.Aug 13 18:36
scientespsydread, its a progression. Bach->Mozart->Beethovan->Russian stuffAug 13 18:37
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Not really too sure why poor people have so many pregnancies.Aug 13 18:37
scienteseach felt revolutionary and jarring to what came beforeAug 13 18:37
DaemonFC[m]Can't they see that they're already fucking poor and on the verge of collapse and going from one payday loan store to the next?Aug 13 18:37
DaemonFC[m]What could possibly get better by having kids?Aug 13 18:38
scientesand also atonalAug 13 18:38
DaemonFC[m]Whenever the economy gets really bad, the birth rate collapses, but it's always more of a collapse with white people than black and brown.Aug 13 18:39
DaemonFC[m]They pretty much go on at like 75% of the rate they did before while with whites it's like half maybe.Aug 13 18:39
scientesBeethovan still feels pretty edgey to meAug 13 18:40
DaemonFC[m]Bill Gates is probably more focused on minorities because it's like "What does it even take for people to realize that having kids they cannot afford is ruining them?".Aug 13 18:40
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Beethoven - Symphony No. 5 (Proms 2012) - YouTubeAug 13 18:40
DaemonFC[m]You destroy their schools and economy and jobs, and nothing you do makes them take a hint and slow it down.Aug 13 18:40
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Not having jobs is an extreme form of Nudge Treatment. It's there to make people say "Oh shit, we're in trouble and we'd better not have kids!". Social control.Aug 13 18:41
DaemonFC[m]The Coronavirus shutdown has been even more destructive than just letting the virus loose.Aug 13 18:42
DaemonFC[m]I don't even want to look at the statistics for people walking in front of Metra. Aug 13 18:42
DaemonFC[m]One of the supposed reasons for making it hard to buy a gun is so people won't kill themselves, however it's been studied.Aug 13 18:43
scientessee this is so much more relaxing 13 18:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hilary Hahn - Mozart - Violin Concerto No. 3 - YouTubeAug 13 18:43
DaemonFC[m]I can't remember which country in Europe, but they made it hard to buy guns and suicide by standing in front of a train went up 46%.Aug 13 18:43
DaemonFC[m]In Illinois, one of the suicide by Metra people was the CEO of Metra.Aug 13 18:44
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DaemonFC[m]He had been embezzling for years and when he thought they were about to catch him, he went and walked in front of one of them.Aug 13 18:44
DaemonFC[m]He figured that if he was fired and charged with embezzling, his wife wouldn't get his pension money.Aug 13 18:45
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I was digging through court records, and found out that one of my exes shot someone.Aug 13 18:45
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DaemonFC[m]Unintentionally, but then proceeded to leave the scene. They caught him later and he made a plea deal, and then he got sued. The lawsuit is working its way through court in Indiana right now, but frozen because the court shut down due to the virus.Aug 13 18:46
scientesbut Mozart actually felt quite jarring when people were use to something more like this or this 13 18:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Johann Christian Bach Quintet in D major - Croatian Baroque Ensemble - YouTubeAug 13 18:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Boccherini - Cello concert Bb-dur, Xavier Phillips - YouTubeAug 13 18:47
DaemonFC[m]I have no idea what kind of money that guy thinks he's going to recover from Ellis, but maybe something I don't know. He hired an attorney to defend him from the lawsuit. I can't imagine he'd have substantial assets, but maybe someone died and left him a fortune.Aug 13 18:47
scienteswhere every phrase is very predicatable in timeAug 13 18:47
DaemonFC[m]Ahhhh, good old great aunt gretchen.Aug 13 18:47
DaemonFC[m]Nobody ever heard of her and now you're the sole heir to her $3 million. Aug 13 18:48
scienteslike you can see clearly how Mozart plays quite a bit with time here 13 18:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-W A Mozart Sonata for basson and Cello Kv 292 - YouTubeAug 13 18:48
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scientesand this was totally different from the Baroque music that came before himAug 13 18:48
DaemonFC[m]Well, first if it was me, I wouldn't be standing in a field firing a shotgun into random directions, while drunk.Aug 13 18:49
DaemonFC[m]Much less on someone else's property in the middle of the night.Aug 13 18:49
scientesBach would have people play differnt stuff, but the rhythm usually matchedAug 13 18:49
psydreadscientes, I will be listening to those one by one, although I am more familiar with Bach and some of Beethoven and MozartAug 13 18:49
scientesok, Iw as wrong about BoccheriniAug 13 18:50
scientestake that one outAug 13 18:50
DaemonFC[m]But letting them get a default judgment and then filing bankruptcy and tossing in your other debts too is also a strategy.Aug 13 18:50
DaemonFC[m]Technically, they're no different than any other unsecured creditor at that point, even if you did shoot them.Aug 13 18:50
DaemonFC[m]I know I've been with some losers but I never would have guessed one of then would go full Dick Cheney with a shotgun later.Aug 13 18:51
DaemonFC[m]The answer to the complaint read strangely too.Aug 13 18:53
DaemonFC[m]If it was me being sued I probably would stonewall them and drive up their legal bills and let the judgment happen t exactly the same time I filed bankruptcy.Aug 13 18:54
DaemonFC[m]If you can cost them another letter or three from their lawyer to the court, you can harass the person suing you with another $1,500 in expenses they'll never get back.Aug 13 18:55
scientesI posted some pretty famous stuff thereAug 13 18:55
scienteswell, not the bachAug 13 18:56
scientesbut Mozart Violin Concerto 3, and Beethovan Symphony 9Aug 13 18:56
DaemonFC[m]I wonder what the pretrial diversion was.Aug 13 18:56
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DaemonFC[m]Writing "I will not fire a shotgun randomly into a field again!" 10,000 times on a chalkboard?Aug 13 18:57
scientesbut the baroque era was more about playing music sociallyAug 13 18:57
scientesoh i see, yeah bocharrini was at the same time of mozart, which explains why his music is still quite baroqueAug 13 18:58
DaemonFC[m]You can sue anyone for anything. Doesn't mean you should. The guy was already out for medical bills and pain and suffering and whatnot, but when you file a lawsuit against an indigent drunkard who lives with his parents, you're barking up the wrong tree.Aug 13 18:58
DaemonFC[m]If they're smart, they can cost you thousands in legal bills and then file bankruptcy. So you're not going to get what you think you will. Of course, the guy probably found a lawyer who said, "Oh yeah, we can sue Ellis Stacy!". Yeah, but if it's the Ellis Stacy I knew, you can sue him, but all you'll get is him.Aug 13 18:59
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I love Indiana. It's the polar opposite of Illinois. You can Dick Cheney someone and you won't even lose your FOID card because there's no FOID card.Aug 13 19:00
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I saw some defcad files for 3d printing guns on The Pirate Bay.Aug 13 19:01
DaemonFC[m]It's illegal to distribute those files to people in Illinois, but of course nothing in the bittorrent protocol cares if they're being distributed in Illinois.Aug 13 19:01
DaemonFC[m]So you could, like, use your PIA VPN to download the defcad files and then nobody in Illinois who is monitoring the swarm would know.Aug 13 19:02
DaemonFC[m]Finding a 3d printer would be the big challenge. Obviously someone at the library would notice if you were printing off a gun.Aug 13 19:03
DaemonFC[m]I'm glad that the state is losing any control it had over people who have guns as long as they have a 3d printer though.Aug 13 19:03
DaemonFC[m]Fuck IllinoisAug 13 19:03
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DaemonFC[m]The government here is outraged by 3d printed guns because they're untraceable and you don't have to have a FOID card to get one because you can just make it yourself.Aug 13 19:04
DaemonFC[m]Now getting caught with one that's not in FOID is another story entirely.Aug 13 19:05
DaemonFC[m]That's a definite leave the gun and take the cannoli situation right there.Aug 13 19:06
DaemonFC[m]If you have to shoot someone with it, make sure your fingerprints are wiped off of it, and then toss it in a dumpster or the river or something.Aug 13 19:07
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DaemonFC[m]Obviously if the police find the murder weapon and not you, it's better than them finding you with the murder weapon.Aug 13 19:07
DaemonFC[m]OMG, those people in Chicago are not smart. They'll keep the murder weapon instead of wiping it down and tossing it.Aug 13 19:09
DaemonFC[m]So the police eventually catch up with them and they trace the gun back to all sorts of things with ballistics testing and then they throw "illegal firearm" at you too, which oddly enough can only be charged if they find it on you, not if they find it at a crime scene and prove you killed someone with it.Aug 13 19:10
DaemonFC[m]So that adds 3-5 years all by itself.Aug 13 19:10
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DaemonFC[m]All over a gun that would cost $500 to replace. Aug 13 19:12
DaemonFC[m](or less)Aug 13 19:12
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: The police aren't all that smart. The only reason they solve anything is because the criminals will be even dumber, or the cops will just invent a crime that didn't actually happen.Aug 13 19:14
DaemonFC[m]Their methods are well established and a lot of cases go cold even if the guy was sloppy. Aug 13 19:15
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | AMC to offer 15-cent tickets on first day of reopening on August 20 - ABC7 ChicagoAug 13 19:16
DaemonFC[m]The outrage was further flamed by one of the comments made by AMC CEO Adam Aron during an interview with the Hollywood trade Variety that implied that taking a hard stance on mask-wearing was a political matter.Aug 13 19:17
DaemonFC[m]"We did not want to be drawn into a political controversy," Aron said. "We thought it might be counterproductive if we forced mask-wearing on those people who believe strongly that it is not necessary."Aug 13 19:17
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DaemonFC[m]That's the thing about America. It doesn't matter what the facts are. You can "BELIEVE" differently, like my mom does, and then your bullshit is equal to facts.Aug 13 19:17
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DaemonFC[m]How do you think this virus got out of control to begin with.Aug 13 19:17
DaemonFC[m]15 cent movie tickets could end up meaning a $1.5 million dollar hospital stay, if you survive.Aug 13 19:18
DaemonFC[m]People in America were already more afraid of getting a hospital bill than dying.Aug 13 19:20
DaemonFC[m]I think there was an Onion article a few days ago that said "Low income man bravely fights off paramedics that tried to force him into medical debt.".Aug 13 19:21
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schestowitzalso, masks are more expensive than this ticketAug 13 19:21
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: When Austin beat me up last year I went to the hospital even though I was pretty sure I would eventually be okay mostly because I knew how things get when the police start getting involved. I knew that it could just as well end up being charges for domestic battery against both of us, or just me because I'm white.Aug 13 19:23
DaemonFC[m]So I let them cart me off to the hospital with an OMG I think my nose might be broken.Aug 13 19:23
DaemonFC[m]When it landed on someone's desk, I went to the hospital with injuries and Austin was "evasive and not credible and immediately demanded a lawyer".Aug 13 19:24
DaemonFC[m]So he was charged, like it should have been, but I was sitting there with blood pouring out of my nose going "Well, a hospital bill is better than the cops trying to turn this around on me.".Aug 13 19:24
DaemonFC[m]Never trust the cops, even when you're the victim and the one who called them.Aug 13 19:25
DaemonFC[m]Turned out I had a bigger problem a while later.Aug 13 19:27
DaemonFC[m]But while I was filing bankruptcy on all of that mess, I threw in the ambulance, hospital, and doctor's bill from the ER 10 days prior.Aug 13 19:27
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: My PO Box looked like that scene from Harry Potter there were so many bills.Aug 13 19:28
DaemonFC[m]I'm still finding them where I just put them somewhere.Aug 13 19:28
DaemonFC[m]I'm up to 171 of them so far, but most were like 3-4-6 notices....Aug 13 19:28
DaemonFC[m]It all went to bankruptcy, but geez.Aug 13 19:29
DaemonFC[m]I'll be finding these things for months.Aug 13 19:29
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "also, masks are more expensive t"> Well, if only half the people in there wear one because you're in Florida, they're pointless.Aug 13 19:30
DaemonFC[m]It's about keeping the amount of the virus in the air to a minimum so that 3-4 people can't go into a movie theater and infect 50 more.Aug 13 19:31
DaemonFC[m]So these "Wear a mask if it makes you feel better." states are never going to have it slow down until everyone has been sick and tearing down the hospital network.Aug 13 19:32
DaemonFC[m]There's a reason why round trip airfare to Miami is $20 right now.Aug 13 19:32
DaemonFC[m]The planes are being flown mostly empty and they're trying to minimize losses on that route.Aug 13 19:33
DaemonFC[m]Nobody wants to go to the "If I get Corona, I get Corona!" state.Aug 13 19:33
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Governor Pritzker is threatening to lock down Lake, McHenry, and Will counties again if the positive results rate doesn't start going down very soon.Aug 13 19:34
DaemonFC[m]It went up again.Aug 13 19:34
DaemonFC[m]6.2% last week.Aug 13 19:35
DaemonFC[m]By next week at this rate, we very well could breach 8%, which triggers automatic lockdown.Aug 13 19:35
DaemonFC[m]Well, this cutback in federal funds for testing is making it harder for states to game the system by diluting positive test results with a lot of negative test results.Aug 13 19:37
DaemonFC[m]So it's backfiring on them badly because they wanted it to tell a narrative and now only the sickest people get a test and it's driving the positive results through the roof. Aug 13 19:37
DaemonFC[m]They might be able to hide some cases in children to help them "reopen the schools", but then those kids get it and infect many people and they get really sick, and you can't hide that as well, so the plan backfires. The plan backfires for so many reasons.Aug 13 19:38
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | FBI investigates IDES debacle after identity theft scam | WGN-TVAug 13 19:48
DaemonFC[m]Your Social Security Number is probably floating around out there somewhere and all you can really do is try to limit the damage by putting Fraud Alerts on your credit reports each year, every time they expire.Aug 13 19:49
DaemonFC[m]The CEO of LifeLock, now part of Symantec, put his real SSN on the TV commercials years ago to tout how confident he was with their paid service (which wasn't anything more than putting Fraud Alerts on your credit reports and then charging you to do it).Aug 13 19:50
DaemonFC[m]In the coming years, he was the victim of identity theft hundreds of times and people were taking out credit cards, cell phones. Someone even bought a a Recreational Vehicle using his SSN and it went through.Aug 13 19:51
DaemonFC[m]The only thing a Fraud Alert really does is say you think you might have had your identity stolen and anyone who issues credit should call you or demand verification first. In other words, what SHOULD be happening anyway.Aug 13 19:52
DaemonFC[m]But without a Fraud Alert, pulling a credit card is as easy as knowing basic details about someone and their SSN.Aug 13 19:52
DaemonFC[m]In other words, it's a very crude and limuted form of added security, and banks don't encourage it because then they have to verify who you are before they issue a credit card.Aug 13 19:54
DaemonFC[m]If everyone did it, it would cost banks more than the fraud.Aug 13 19:55
DaemonFC[m]*limitedAug 13 19:55
DaemonFC[m]I have Fraud Alerts on both our accounts because of Maricel, John, and Austin being out there doing who knows what.Aug 13 19:56
DaemonFC[m]I don't really want it to reach a point where his sister tries to open a wallet full of fraudulent cards in his name, because while we could go to the police about it, it's a question of whether he'd even pursue it because it was family. So in the end we'd have credit cards his sister charged up that he might not even do anything about, so tempting as it may be to let her do whatever and then go to the police.......Aug 13 19:59
DaemonFC[m]Fraud Alert it is.Aug 13 19:59
DaemonFC[m]I've kind of got her pegged as a coward anyway. If things are really getting so bad that they're scuttling all of the benefits and perks and not giving people raises and you're lucky if you survive round after round of layoffs. I mean, she's an RN. She could just walk out of there and find another job, even in this economy. So why isn't she?Aug 13 20:01
DaemonFC[m]I'm guessing that she accepts it because she knows that they'll put up with her incompetence and toxicity and she's not sure anyone else would, so she's there until things get so bad that they get rid of her.Aug 13 20:01
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: This principle applies anywhere where they are laying people off and cutting salaries and benefits.Aug 13 20:02
DaemonFC[m]There will be people who don't even try to do better because they're amazed that they've lasted as long as they have where they are.Aug 13 20:03
DaemonFC[m]So you strip yourself down to the people who you shouldn't have there anyway because they're too afraid of change to try to leave. Aug 13 20:03
DaemonFC[m]These are generally also the people who have kept their heads down and tried to look busy and avoid offending their bosses.Aug 13 20:04
DaemonFC[m]In other words, what you get from them is less than what you could have gotten from the people that you chose to lay off. Aug 13 20:04
DaemonFC[m]Companies that play hard rules like "Everyone over 40 loses their jobs no matter what." make it even worse, because what they're willing to pay and what they get for the money makes them operate less efficiently than evaluating individuals. Aug 13 20:05
DaemonFC[m]Giving managers the requirement to evaluate subordinates without flexibility to decide what to actually do afterwards is something I've seen creep in at a lot of places. It's not just "Walmart". It's management theory in general.Aug 13 20:06
DaemonFC[m]It does serve a purpose. It makes low level managers "the bad guy".Aug 13 20:07
DaemonFC[m]It makes people direct their contempt to people who had no choice what to do anyway.Aug 13 20:07
DaemonFC[m]If there's an incident, it might literally put low level management in the line of fire. Aug 13 20:07
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: There was an incident at a factory in Aurora last year. (iirc)Aug 13 20:08
DaemonFC[m]A guy got fired after a performance review. He came back with a gun and shot and killed the manager who got rid of him and several of his co-workers.Aug 13 20:08
DaemonFC[m]11 people died, but the highest one up was his direct supervisor.Aug 13 20:09
DaemonFC[m]I'm pretty sure his supervisor was doing what the plant manager (who survived) told him to do.Aug 13 20:09
DaemonFC[m]They push dirty stuff that is going to piss people off down to the lowest level of management possible.Aug 13 20:09
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DaemonFC[m]When people snap, they usually turn their rage on the last people who pissed them off, even though it could be many, many people who dealt them setbacks. Aug 13 20:11
DaemonFC[m]I've studied psychology enough to know basic personality types.Aug 13 20:11
DaemonFC[m]So, Maricel as "Why would anyone put up with that when they have qualifications and they could storm out and do a hell of a lot better than no raise, 1% retirement match, and higher insurance premiums?". She's one of those people who is careful about who she offends. When she wants to vent anger at others, she just bottles it up and then lets loose on people who she doesn't think can do anything about her. Aug 13 20:14
DaemonFC[m]She knows her incompetence, which tells me that she's smart enough to know she isn't smart and to second guess actions. Aug 13 20:15
DaemonFC[m]Oddly, this holds people back. Stupid people who are very confident become the president, even.Aug 13 20:15
DaemonFC[m]The economy here is shit, but they are still hiring nurses.Aug 13 20:16
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DaemonFC[m]That presents another problem though. How to work as an RN without actually being in danger of getting the Coronavirus?Aug 13 20:16
DaemonFC[m]Stay in an office job where you're a politician and dead weight that gets crammed into the patient's bill silently until this subsides.Aug 13 20:17
DaemonFC[m]Coward, in so many ways. She lies, she deceives, she does criminal activity but only when she thinks nobody is watching her. Aug 13 20:18
DaemonFC[m]That's the thing about committing crimes. Nobody ever does know they're under investigation until the handcuffs come out. Aug 13 20:18
DaemonFC[m]On any particular occasion you might get away with it. Eventually you'll slip up. Nobody makes it through this world without leaving a digital trail of whatever they do.Aug 13 20:20
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: If you look at the Rick Jones case file, he openly admits that he did it for over 10 years, and since there were VHS tapes, I'm guessing that, in truth, it went back much further than 2004. Aug 13 20:21
DaemonFC[m]In 2004, VCRs were already obsolete. It was getting hard to even find one, although there were a few combo players that also worked with DVDs. Aug 13 20:21
DaemonFC[m]I think the last big budget movie on VHS was out in early 2004 and then Hollywood basically quit the format. Aug 13 20:23
DaemonFC[m]You could find blank tapes at Walmart until maybe 2006 or so, but that got harder to find until there were none.Aug 13 20:24
DaemonFC[m]Anyway, what disgusted me the most about that case was that what he admitted to was so bad that the 90 days in jail sentence was contemptible. Aug 13 20:25
DaemonFC[m]It's no wonder that Contempt of Court has to be a crime. The court issues rulings every single day that invite contempt from everyone.Aug 13 20:26
DaemonFC[m]It has to "make itself appear legitimate" by make it a crime to openly talk about how rotten and messed up the judges and prosecutors are. Aug 13 20:26
DaemonFC[m]They'd have to bring back the death penalty in Illinois to sufficiently punish how much contempt I have for the court in Lake County.Aug 13 20:27
DaemonFC[m]When I was talking to my attorney, John Milford, in Marion, Indiana one time, he said "Address the judge as 'Your honor.'." Then he said, "I actually know very few judges who are honorable, but that's beside the point.". I said, "Aren't you a judge on this court too?".Aug 13 20:29
DaemonFC[m]He smiles at me.Aug 13 20:29
DaemonFC[m]I mean, like, you know. There's this judge in Huntington County, Indiana.... Jeffrey Heffelfinger. Aug 13 20:30
DaemonFC[m]A Republican. Although......he hooks up with men for sex and he drives around while drunk all the time and the cops let him go because he's a judge.Aug 13 20:30
DaemonFC[m]Then Monday through Friday, 9-5, he gets to try drunk driving cases from the bench.Aug 13 20:31
DaemonFC[m]There's absolutely nothing you can do about it in Indiana. There's no retention system. It's lifetime appointment, except if the state actually impeached him. If it hasn't in the last 30 years, it probably never will.Aug 13 20:32
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I have no confidence in any of the judges anywhere.Aug 13 20:33
DaemonFC[m]Every time it asks me if they should retain their office, I have a whole bag of NO for them.Aug 13 20:33
DaemonFC[m]So, same time this year!Aug 13 20:33
DaemonFC[m]Get rid of them all. Send a message. You're not sending messages if you're not voting. Aug 13 20:34
DaemonFC[m]You can't vote if you're a felon or you don't bother to take time out of your busy schedule while there's 50% unemployment in Chicago.Aug 13 20:35
DaemonFC[m]I should clarify, felon on active punishment.Aug 13 20:35
DaemonFC[m](In Illinois.)Aug 13 20:35
DaemonFC[m]Shitcago, FelonoisAug 13 20:36
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I came across a case a few years ago where a priest in Chicago got busted for kiddie porn.Aug 13 20:36
DaemonFC[m]He downloaded from his home IP address using Ares and the news actually mentioned "the open source peer to peer program called Ares".Aug 13 20:37
DaemonFC[m]It turns out that this sparked an investigation by an "Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force: in the Chicago Police Department. Guessing the FBI or someone was monitoring the Ares network, and when they log the IP addresses they forward them to the local police to investigate.Aug 13 20:38
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: MinceR I'm guessing that the Illinois State Police _could_ easily monitor a bittorrent swarm to see if you share DEFCAD files. Aug 13 20:39
DaemonFC[m]It's the same principle really. "Redistributing plans for unlicensed guns.".Aug 13 20:39
DaemonFC[m]That's a paddlin'.Aug 13 20:39
DaemonFC[m]Of course, leave it to the state to try to take away a right enshrined in the constitution by spying on people and depriving them of their right to share speech and art.Aug 13 20:40
DaemonFC[m]Maybe defcad should become a religion and declare their blueprints a holy book.Aug 13 20:40
DaemonFC[m]I'm trying to figure out if Illinois or another state has gone after people for sharing defcad files.Aug 13 20:41
DaemonFC[m]You know, not printing guns, but just sharing the files.Aug 13 20:41
DaemonFC[m]Even if it's not technically a crime, they'll figure something to charge you with. They always do.Aug 13 20:42
DaemonFC[m]Maybe one of the people on the swarm happens to be a felon and you gave plans for a "weapon of mass destruction" (whatever those are) to a convicted felon.Aug 13 20:43
DaemonFC[m]I'd tread lightly on this one if you want those plans. Aug 13 20:43
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DaemonFC[m]The same apparatus that tracks people like Jones and people who pirate movies and stuff can go after them for any sort of information sharing the state frowns upon.Aug 13 20:44
DaemonFC[m]It would be easy to get ammunition for a 3d printed gun. While you have to have a FOID card to buy it in Illinois, you could go to some other state and buy as much as you want. It would still be a FOID law violation if you come back to Illinois with it.Aug 13 20:45
DaemonFC[m]Buying a gun out of state would be illegal under federal law, without shipping it to a FFL dealer in your home state. Aug 13 20:45
DaemonFC[m]Ammunition is easy. So once you 3d printed a gun you could just buy all the ammo you wanted someplace else.Aug 13 20:46
DaemonFC[m]It's not technically illegal at the federal level to 3d print a gun, but you do have to include some metal parts in it so it will set off a metal detector. Aug 13 20:47
DaemonFC[m]Also, it can't be fully automatic and legal, even though you could 3d print a firing pin that is fully automatic. Aug 13 20:48
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DaemonFC[m]These things aren't as durable as the guns you would buy in a store, but it'll shoot through some entire clips before you have to dispose of it. Aug 13 20:48
DaemonFC[m]So if you were planning a hit on someone, you wouldn't care, because wiping and tossing it is a given anyway.Aug 13 20:49
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DaemonFC[m]"There have been criticisms over the practice of trying contempt from the bench. In particular, Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black wrote in a dissent, "It is high time, in my judgment, to wipe out root and branch the judge-invented and judge-maintained notion that judges can try criminal contempt cases without a jury."Aug 13 20:51
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DaemonFC[m]Well, it depends.Aug 13 20:52
DaemonFC[m]In general, you don't have a right to a jury trial if the offense can't result in more than 6 months in jail.Aug 13 20:52
DaemonFC[m]Although in some states you do.Aug 13 20:52
DaemonFC[m]In any case where even 1 day in jail is a possibility, if you're poor, the court has to assign you a lawyer, but Indiana still charges you for this.Aug 13 20:53
DaemonFC[m]In State vs. Ryan J Farmer, Indiana charged the defendant like $380 for a "Pauper Defense" fee.Aug 13 20:53
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, it's cash register justice in full force over in Indiana. Granted a private lawyer would have charged him like $10,000 for a felony.Aug 13 20:55
DaemonFC[m]The state seems to charge a sliding scale over there for the Public Pretender.Aug 13 20:56
DaemonFC[m]So while the guy is researching your case for 5 minutes and then falls asleep in court, you're paying for that. To give the state a fig leaf and say you had representation.Aug 13 20:56
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DaemonFC[m]In some states, you can actually be facing many years in prison but not have a right to a jury.Aug 13 20:59
DaemonFC[m]If the list is full of Class B Misdemeanors then they can stack even though the sentence runs longer than 6 months.Aug 13 20:59
schestowitzcan we focus on something not your life story?Aug 13 21:00
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I was openly wondering how states are monitoring file sharing of CAD files for guns.Aug 13 21:01
DaemonFC[m]I support sharing those files now especially with what's going on in Illinois. The state itself is on the verge of collapsing. It's overrun with criminals. If the police do come out it's to watch the crime happen.Aug 13 21:01
DaemonFC[m]They won't admit it, but the Federal Reserve Municipal Bond Emergency Fund is a backdoor bailout for Illinois that does an end run around Congress because they're terrified of what having an entire state that NOBODY will lend to failing will do.Aug 13 21:02
DaemonFC[m]They made the interest rates on this fund so bad that your state would have to be Illinois for it to make sense to use it.Aug 13 21:04
DaemonFC[m]Whether people would like to admit it or not, Illinois is being bailed out by the Central Bank, with loans that will never be paid back because the entire point of the Central Bank lending to you is that nobody else will. Aug 13 21:04
DaemonFC[m]So instead of admitting that the state has failed this year, it'll be next year, maybe. Aug 13 21:05
DaemonFC[m]There's the news openly admitting that Chicago has become so terrible everywhere overnight from the pandemic that all the people who have means to pay taxes are debating whether they can get out with their teeth.Aug 13 21:06
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DaemonFC[m]The chit and chat around the water cooler on Zerohedge and some other sites where people can still speak freely about what's on their mind is that they're really hoping that these wealthy SJWs won't come to their state and make it the next New York or Illinois (or Detroit).Aug 13 21:08
DaemonFC[m]This all rather reminds me about the EU inflicting Austerity on Greece in return for bailouts. Policies that do not help the Euro or the EU, and make no logical policy sense.Aug 13 21:11
DaemonFC[m]No hard demands yet on Illinois, but they're coming.Aug 13 21:11
DaemonFC[m]Actually, the parallels are rather striking.Aug 13 21:13
DaemonFC[m]The only massive employment program in Illinois with job security and pensions are government jobs. Aug 13 21:14
DaemonFC[m]So when the banks come calling with a list of austerity demands in exchange for further bailouts, it's going to be "Do something about your public sector, now!".Aug 13 21:14
kingoffrancethats the beauty of central banking though -- the central bank has their own central bank, and on and onAug 13 21:14
kingoffranceproving the soundness of the modelAug 13 21:15
kingoffrancetaht might be sarcasmAug 13 21:15
kingoffranceso stable you need 2Aug 13 21:15
DaemonFC[m]Well, there's the world bank, but countries that draw down their Special Drawing Rights tend to be banana republics.Aug 13 21:15
DaemonFC[m]For most countries XDRs are something they have reserves of because it's required.Aug 13 21:16
DaemonFC[m]Even the UK, which is possibly in more trouble than we are, have their XDRs collecting dust while schestowitz dines out in the restaurant scheme.Aug 13 21:16
DaemonFC[m]It would be kind of horrific, I think, if advanced economies try to start settling things with XDRs. Aug 13 21:17
zoobabreading all the contributions to the consultation of European Commission IP action planAug 13 21:17
zoobabmany of them call for the UPC Aug 13 21:18
kingoffrancethe nice thing about centralization is theres so many centers to choose fromAug 13 21:18
zoobabbest submission might be from GallouxAug 13 21:18
DaemonFC[m]The EU is a collection of dead and decadent economies except for like Germany and a couple others.Aug 13 21:18
DaemonFC[m]They've been funding massive entitlement programs by not bothering to even pretend to have a military because the US has been deployed there since the end of the second world war.Aug 13 21:19
DaemonFC[m]If we leave, Putin will crush them like a bug.Aug 13 21:20
DaemonFC[m]The UK had advantages in the EU because it got an opt out from having to carry its own weight, and then they were still stupid enough to leave.Aug 13 21:20
DaemonFC[m]One of the things that frightened them was the idea that they'd be on the hook for the collective defense of Europe when nobody else really was. Aug 13 21:21
DaemonFC[m]<kingoffrance "the nice thing about centralizat"> You think the Fed will keep propping up Illinois forever under the idea that it's better to just throw us money and look the other way?Aug 13 21:22
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DaemonFC[m]How long will other states look at that without going "Well shit, if they can do it we can do it!"?Aug 13 21:23
DaemonFC[m]"$5 billion dollars please!"Aug 13 21:23
DaemonFC[m]"All our problems are over!"Aug 13 21:23
DaemonFC[m]The Pensions Clause repeal is going to be what they demand. Aug 13 21:24
DaemonFC[m]Either the Democrats will give up and pass an amendment, or they'll punt it to the courts and tell them find a way to scuttle it.Aug 13 21:24
DaemonFC[m]I don't think the argument of at least the pensioners will spend their money really works.Aug 13 21:26
DaemonFC[m]I'll bet more than half the retired government dead weight got out of this dump and have been cashing their pension checks in some other state anyway.Aug 13 21:26
DaemonFC[m]So there's never been a better time to just tap out and make the problem land on someone else's doorstep.Aug 13 21:26
DaemonFC[m]kingoffrance: This is what a Centrally Planned Economy gets you.Aug 13 21:28
DaemonFC[m]Oh how I love the Washington Post.Aug 13 21:29
DaemonFC[m]"Democracy Dies in Darkness!" Also, "Have you checked out the subscription options? They're totally an option if you want to read the Washington Post!".Aug 13 21:30
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Iowa derecho corn damage is massive, at 43 percent of state’s crop - The Washington PostAug 13 21:31
DaemonFC[m]Half of Iowa's corn crop was destroyed on Monday.Aug 13 21:31
DaemonFC[m]Their Governor refused to issue an emergency relating to the Coronavirus.Aug 13 21:32
DaemonFC[m]But issued an emergency for the lost corn immediately. Aug 13 21:32
kingoffrancesorry, it was a reference to supposed andrew tanenbaum quote "the nice thing about standards is theres so many to choose from"Aug 13 21:33
DaemonFC[m]Oh I know. This FedEx printing site doesn't seem to realize what ODF is.Aug 13 21:34
DaemonFC[m]So I have to save documents as OOXML to drop them onto the printer.Aug 13 21:34
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DaemonFC[m]"Among the alleged looters at the Gucci store on Michigan Avenue, was a 21-year-old Simeon High School graduate said to have $41,000 in Gucci items in his car. His bond was set at $10,000."Aug 13 21:42
DaemonFC[m]"Graduated high school" is something that the news starts talking about when you're 21, black, and arrested for looting.Aug 13 21:42
DaemonFC[m]Like so few of them do that it's an accomplishment to graduate high school.Aug 13 21:43
DaemonFC[m]43% graduation rate.....Aug 13 21:43
DaemonFC[m]$15 minimum wage. Why not? What difference does it make? You already destroyed and chased out the businesses who would have paid it anyway.Aug 13 21:44
DaemonFC[m]When you're in your 20s and still bragging that you graduated high school.Aug 13 21:44
DaemonFC[m]It's like, that should be a baseline human accomplishment. Like almost everyone graduates high school. You think it would be. They made it so easy since I did it because idiots were having a hard time passing the tests and politicians just made the test easier.Aug 13 21:45
DaemonFC[m]George Carlin talked about it.Aug 13 21:45
DaemonFC[m]The reason why employers want college for jobs that don't actually use it is because a high school diploma means nothing when they just give them to people.Aug 13 21:46
DaemonFC[m]They practically give them to people, and 60% of some Chicago neighborhoods can't or don't graduate even at that.Aug 13 21:47
DaemonFC[m]Remember the teacher in Starship Troopers?Aug 13 21:47
DaemonFC[m]"Something given has no value!"Aug 13 21:47
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DaemonFC[m]Works like that with money too. The government does $1,200 checks one time right before what will be known at the Greater Depression, and people are standing in line for TVs.Aug 13 21:48
DaemonFC[m]Half of Google News is endlessly writing variations of "Here's when you might get another one! Calculate how much it might be!".Aug 13 21:49
DaemonFC[m]They keep constantly talking about it even though the Republicans are refusing to pass a bill.Aug 13 21:50
DaemonFC[m]It's meant to be a big distraction.Aug 13 21:50
DaemonFC[m]As if another one time check of $1,200 is going to unfuck this mess.Aug 13 21:50
DaemonFC[m]They're not just encouraging people to count chickens that haven't hatched, but $1,200 isn't enough to do anything except file bankruptcy.Aug 13 21:51
DaemonFC[m]Trump's been focused like a laser to make all the disasters that would have been going off already happen all at once after the election.Aug 13 21:52
DaemonFC[m]<DaemonFC[m] "Trump's been focused like a lase"> I suppose not giving people $1,200 could be part of the plan. If it sparks a wave of bankruptcies right before the election, the news will report it. Maybe.Aug 13 21:53
DaemonFC[m]Whoops. Damned app.Aug 13 21:54
DaemonFC[m]I think he's dragging this one out because he really doesn't want people to have enough money to even file bankruptcy.Aug 13 21:54
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DaemonFC[m]Where did the 21 year old looter go to High School? "Simeon" That's rayciss!Aug 13 22:04
DaemonFC[m]"Another alleged Gucci looter allegedly carried out $10,000 in merchandise and was arrested; her bond is $1,000."Aug 13 22:05
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, well, 30 years from now they still won't have executed the bench warrant.Aug 13 22:05
DaemonFC[m]To find people, they generally need to have a legitimate job and apartment, and you have to want to send the Sheriff out.Aug 13 22:05
DaemonFC[m]I can't imagine that Chicago is doing any better enforcing court warrants than Lake County is. Aug 13 22:06
DaemonFC[m]There's a certain entertainment value of watching all of these dumb hipsters who thought the police would protect them and they'd be very socially conscious electing a black lesbian mayor afraid to leave their $4,000 apartments.Aug 13 22:07
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: ^Aug 13 22:08
DaemonFC[m]Jesus, I'm terrified of leaving my $1,000 flop house, but at least it's not a luxury condo in the loop that I have a mortgage on.Aug 13 22:08
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: stick to technologyAug 13 22:25
DaemonFC[m]Oh, there's a technology angle here.Aug 13 22:26
DaemonFC[m]Despite cameras everywhere, facial recognition, and predictive crime software, the best the Chicago police can do is ask people to help identify the looters. Aug 13 22:27
DaemonFC[m]They put out an email address to send tips to. Tempting, but mocking the police is not really that smart even if they probably wouldn't ever figure it out.Aug 13 22:28
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: But they told us that cameras and AI were a great investment for taxpayer money, even though it's so bad that it doesn't really work.Aug 13 22:28
DaemonFC[m]You have to wonder how many actual cops they lost so that they could pay $26 million dollars (last I checked) for "Minority Report" (which doesn't even work).Aug 13 22:29
DaemonFC[m]I think the "predictive crime software" that has actual officers wasting their time was $7 million to the vendor. Aug 13 22:31
DaemonFC[m]"Oh, well, it says you're in a gang and because you're in a gang you might be shot! Have a nice day!"Aug 13 22:31
DaemonFC[m]$7 million for a computer program that they might as well call Captain Obvious.Aug 13 22:32
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kingoffranceive been trying to find promis because supposedly it was public domain, posibbly on some mainframe thing...just curious why it was supposedly such a powerful dbAug 13 22:34
kingoffrancebut alas, i think it was before the era of software on web sitesAug 13 22:34
kingoffranceand i think they maybe just mailed floppies or tapeAug 13 22:34
kingoffrancethat was ye olde "predictive sw" supposedlyAug 13 22:35
DaemonFC[m]Some of those floppies had "protection" mechanisms that were sort of like Cactus Data Shield/Macrovision CD-ROMs.Aug 13 22:35
kingoffrancesupposedly the basis of nsa stuff in the 90s at leastAug 13 22:35
DaemonFC[m]So if you just do a straight copy to a blank it'll say there's errors on the blank.Aug 13 22:35
DaemonFC[m]Fake weak sectors.Aug 13 22:35
kingoffrancelots of ppl have many theories, but ive yet to see anyone dig up the public domain versionAug 13 22:36
DaemonFC[m]Of course, the thing is that on the original disk, it was made that way on purpose so that the "error" happens predictably and the setup program knows how it will happen.Aug 13 22:36
DaemonFC[m]If you copy it over onto a blank disk, the error won't copy over quite right, and the setup program will abort.Aug 13 22:36
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DaemonFC[m]The more technical explanation is that the error has to occur on a particular sector, and the setup program will ignore that.Aug 13 22:37
DaemonFC[m]If you copy to a blank, the error will end up on a different sector than it was at on the original disk.Aug 13 22:38
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft generally didn't even try to copy protect their older software at all.Aug 13 22:38
DaemonFC[m]Home piracy just made them more popular and they weren't losing a boatload of money to it. Aug 13 22:39
DaemonFC[m]They could go after major OEMs for large sums of money and there were audits by Microsoft, so they just went ahead and fessed up to how many licenses they were buying.Aug 13 22:39
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DaemonFC[m]US v. Microsoft is where product activation came in.Aug 13 22:40
DaemonFC[m]They couldn't just lock the OEM into paying for Windows whether they used it or not anymore, and physical audits are expensive.Aug 13 22:41
DaemonFC[m]Preloads of other operating systems has gone splat so many times because those other operating systems just weren't ready or didn't have a large collection of software, or weren't generally compatible.Aug 13 22:42
DaemonFC[m]It's something you can do at scale now, so even the big boys are interested.Aug 13 22:42
schestowitzlet's get back on topicAug 13 22:50
schestowitzdon't trash the channel with those stigmatising stuffAug 13 22:50
schestowitzwant to read a draft on canonical?Aug 13 22:50
DaemonFC[m]Oh, sure.Aug 13 22:52
schestowitzcheers. 13 22:53
schestowitzsecs agoAug 13 22:53
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DaemonFC[m]The image overflows.Aug 13 22:55
DaemonFC[m]"also runs on" what?Aug 13 22:55
DaemonFC[m]" (Microsoft is even [cref 130888 liaising with Trump to steal companies for surveillance purposes)"Aug 13 22:57
DaemonFC[m]Broken reference.Aug 13 22:57
DaemonFC[m]"make us thing"Aug 13 22:58
DaemonFC[m]thinkAug 13 22:58
DaemonFC[m]"white is lack."Aug 13 22:58
DaemonFC[m]blackAug 13 22:58
DaemonFC[m]"But who cares about facts, rights?"Aug 13 23:00
DaemonFC[m]rightAug 13 23:00
DaemonFC[m]"Microsoft is in some sense taking over the competition and speaking ‘for’ the competition."Aug 13 23:01
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft is, in some sense, taking overAug 13 23:02
schestowitzthanks, I spotted some alsoAug 13 23:02
schestowitzthe image overflows to the right?Aug 13 23:02
DaemonFC[m]Yeah,Aug 13 23:02
schestowitzweirdAug 13 23:02
schestowitzlet me checkAug 13 23:02
DaemonFC[m]You wouldn't think that Canonical and Red Hat would be trying to shit all over their own products.Aug 13 23:03
schestowitzwhich browser? it should be 480px wideAug 13 23:03
DaemonFC[m]VivaldiAug 13 23:03
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DaemonFC[m]They'll have Firefox to about as many active developers as it takes to put their adtech and questionable VPN on top of Chromium very soon.Aug 13 23:04
schestowitzmaybe it deals badly with itAug 13 23:04
schestowitzmozilla is trash nowAug 13 23:04
DaemonFC[m]Google put them on a path to fiscal ruin and they did a lot of things to try to fill the funding gap, but it spiraled out of control.Aug 13 23:05
DaemonFC[m]Now they're broke anyway, their browser is full of crap, and there's barely a Free Software argument to be had.Aug 13 23:05
DaemonFC[m]They would have done less harm by trying to make some kind of offering based on Chromium and to be happy with search royalties and some default bookmarks. Aug 13 23:06
DaemonFC[m]Every time I open Firefox there's something new, and it's flipping stuff on that I turned off. I'm not the only one. Lots of people in Reddit had Pocket ads flipped on again by Firefox 79, on Mac and Windows too.Aug 13 23:08
DaemonFC[m]This is definitely Mozilla going in and turning the ads back on in a cash grab, but they'll never admit it.Aug 13 23:08
DaemonFC[m]They have a website talking about how many people open Firefox and will see your ads on their new tab page.Aug 13 23:08
DaemonFC[m]if half the people turn it off, that's lost revenue. You can flip it on and maybe some won't turn it off again, at least for a while.Aug 13 23:09
schestowitzgoogle will lose interest in mozAug 13 23:10
schestowitzas fewer people now use firefoxAug 13 23:10
schestowitzthe sponsorship of search bar placement isn't worth much anymoreAug 13 23:11
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: in which way does vivaldi let the image flow to the right?Aug 13 23:11
schestowitzscreenshot?Aug 13 23:11
*DaemonFC[m] uploaded an image: Screenshot_20200813_171209.png (126KiB) < >Aug 13 23:13
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schestowitzI think this is correct, DaemonFC[m]Aug 13 23:23
schestowitzI cropped the pageAug 13 23:23
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schestowitzto show the relevant bitsAug 13 23:23
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zoobabtime to fork FirefoxAug 13 23:27
zoobabcall it freefoxAug 13 23:27
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psydreadhmm, that reminds me of that lynyrd skynyrd songAug 13 23:30
Narratorwell, you have right the ansible is forced by m$ ;-)Aug 13 23:34
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Narratormaybe it's time to find some un-ansible tools?;-)Aug 13 23:35
schestowitzzoobab: forks existAug 13 23:42
schestowitz[23:22] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): #redhat #ansible event #ansiblefest already tainted by #microsoft money #ibm ‘tired’ of competing? []Aug 13 23:42
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schestowitzNarrator: puppet?Aug 13 23:42
Narratorwell, not exactlyAug 13 23:43
schestowitzchef?Aug 13 23:43
Narratorall that tools help copy private data to corporation cloudsAug 13 23:43
schestowitzthey are all nonfreeAug 13 23:43
schestowitz"commercial" addonsAug 13 23:43
Narratorwe need to do somthing oposite ...Aug 13 23:44
schestowitzcorps have clouds?Aug 13 23:44
Narratorto set free the data from cloudsAug 13 23:44
Narratorwell, i mean aws/azure/gcloudAug 13 23:44
schestowitzpuppet can be set locallyAug 13 23:44
schestowitzyou can also install plugns locallyAug 13 23:45
schestowitzahhhh.... CLOWNAug 13 23:45
Narratori know i knowAug 13 23:45
NarratorexactlyAug 13 23:45
schestowitzclown ctos and cios outsourcingAug 13 23:45
schestowitztrust trump armyAug 13 23:46
schestowitzthye know bestAug 13 23:46
Narratorand all that devops - i-wil-copy-your-data-to-cloud-and-fail-your-biznes;-)Aug 13 23:46
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schestowitzthey issue press releases about "security" and "privacy" so they really mean itAug 13 23:46
schestowitzwith US economy in rapid collapse I wonder which services will be shut down nextAug 13 23:47
schestowitzmicrosoft and google are notorious for shutting down a lotAug 13 23:47
schestowitzmore so than amazon, iircAug 13 23:47
schestowitzmicrosoft even pulled the plug on drm serversAug 13 23:47
schestowitzrendering books people 'bought' (rented) dead for goodAug 13 23:48
Narratorwell, all devops stuff, there are useless Aug 13 23:48
Narratorteh data was copied they can be fired ...Aug 13 23:48
schestowitzone day we'll have a gooood looong laugh at people scammed by clown computingAug 13 23:48
schestowitzthey'll realise the real cost of this whole stupidityAug 13 23:49
schestowitz(some already do)Aug 13 23:49
schestowitz"your data is SAFE... in the CLOWN"Aug 13 23:49
Narratordocker start rise the prices ...Aug 13 23:49
*schestowitz does not trust clownsAug 13 23:49
schestowitzNarrator: they all do, eventuallyAug 13 23:49
Narratorthis is postmodern infomrmatics;-)Aug 13 23:50
schestowitzthe lock-in/capture strategy is negative pricingAug 13 23:50
schestowitzsome never turn a profit... see Uber and TwitterAug 13 23:50
schestowitzdebt economyAug 13 23:50
schestowitzentrapment, subjugation. #StallmanWasRightAug 13 23:50
DaemonFC[m]Tesla will never make a profit either.Aug 13 23:51
schestowitzyupAug 13 23:51
schestowitzmy dad told meAug 13 23:51
schestowitzI didn't know they too had been operating at a massive lossAug 13 23:51
schestowitzhe had a field day over their market valuationAug 13 23:51
schestowitzuber's alsoAug 13 23:51
Narratorpiss in the middle of the square is an art, we have time when teh same start to be in "computer science"Aug 13 23:51
DaemonFC[m]Well, it's impossible, and with the government disinterested in dumping more subsidies, it will just collapse faster.Aug 13 23:51
schestowitz"dude, give me debt also... Vc money... I TOO CAN LOSE THAT MUCH MONEY! AND BETTER"Aug 13 23:51
schestowitz"we're worth 100 billion... for losing that much in 10 years... wait, something ain't right.."Aug 13 23:52
schestowitzuber might collapse soon because of the CA rulingAug 13 23:52
DaemonFC[m]Commit a misdemeanor. You too can lose almost $60,000 in the course o 8 months.Aug 13 23:52
schestowitzLyft alsoAug 13 23:52
DaemonFC[m]Well, maybe not that fast. Depends on how much it destabilizes your living situation.Aug 13 23:52
schestowitz                <li>Aug 13 23:52
schestowitz                  <h5><a href="">Lyft joins Uber in threatening to pull out of California over driver status</a></h5>Aug 13 23:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Lyft joins Uber in threatening to pull out of California over driver status - The VergeAug 13 23:52
schestowitz                  <blockquote>Aug 13 23:52
schestowitz                    <p>At issue is the classification of ride-hailing drivers as independent contractors, which Uber and Lyft say most drivers prefer because of the flexibility and ability to set their own hours. But labor unions and elected officials contend this deprives them of traditional benefits like health insurance and workers’ compensation. Earlier this week, Uber and Lyft were ordered by a California superior court judge toAug 13 23:52
schestowitzclassify their drivers as employees. Both companies have said they would appeal the ruling, which was stayed for 10 days. </p>Aug 13 23:52
schestowitz                    <p> But if their appeals fail, Lyft may join Uber in closing up shop in California, the company’s president John Zimmer said. “If our efforts here are not successful it would force us to suspend operations in California,” Zimmer said on a call announcing the second quarter earnings of 2020. “Fortunately, California voters can make their voices heard by voting yes on Prop 22 in November.” </p></blockquote><Aug 13 23:52
schestowitzli>Aug 13 23:53
schestowitz                <li>Aug 13 23:53
schestowitz                  <h5><a href="">Uber CEO Threatens Future Shutdown in California Over Labor Law</a></h5>Aug 13 23:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot?Aug 13 23:53
schestowitz                  <blockquote>Aug 13 23:53
schestowitz                    <p>Uber is asking the judge who issued the injunction to hold a hearing on Thursday for Uber to request that Monday’s order be put on hold for the duration of the appeals process, according to a filing in San Francisco state court.</p></blockquote></li>Aug 13 23:53
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: The funny thing is that Uber lost money even with the subsidy of not having to obey laws that their competitors had to.Aug 13 23:53
schestowitzUber is sponsored by parties that lost a lot of money in generalAug 13 23:53
schestowitzthe VCsAug 13 23:54
schestowitzthey will pull the plug soon, I hopeAug 13 23:54
schestowitzI'd be so happyAug 13 23:54
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: it is a scamAug 13 23:54
schestowitzand we need it to go awayAug 13 23:54
DaemonFC[m]What will they do now that a state with almost 15% of the US population says their "contractors" are employees?Aug 13 23:54
schestowitzMicrosoft may be on its last foot in many divisions alsoAug 13 23:54
schestowitzthis morning I wrote about server division and IISAug 13 23:54
DaemonFC[m]Watch. Illinois and New York will do it next.Aug 13 23:54
schestowitzexpect many more layoffs and product shutoffsAug 13 23:55
schestowitz(quietly)Aug 13 23:55
DaemonFC[m]They are furious that Uber found a way to just bypass the taxes.Aug 13 23:55
schestowitzTesla also fights CAAug 13 23:55
DaemonFC[m]You know how much a taxi license COSTS in Chicago?Aug 13 23:55
schestowitzover worker safetyAug 13 23:55
DaemonFC[m]You have to BUY one for $100,000 and they limited them to cause a shortage.Aug 13 23:55
schestowitzthe sad things about tesla:Aug 13 23:55
schestowitz1) they shame the inventorAug 13 23:55
schestowitz(nikola)Aug 13 23:55
schestowitz2) they give a bad rap to green energy stuffAug 13 23:56
DaemonFC[m]Uber drivers really aren't doing that bad if you consider they don't have to wait for a license and pay the government $100,000.Aug 13 23:56
DaemonFC[m]That's a big subsidy to the driver right there.Aug 13 23:56
DaemonFC[m]Now having to pay more for permission to drive a cab than it costs to go to medical school.Aug 13 23:56
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: The government is just a money monster and if they do anything to knock Uber over it's because the government wants more money for itself.Aug 13 23:57
schestowitzI meant repAug 13 23:57
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DaemonFC[m]Where does it go? I'll be damned if I know. They're not doing anything for me. Aug 13 23:57
DaemonFC[m]Hey, I pay less taxes than those people who are afraid to leave their $4,000 a month condo after 6 PM because of the race war outside. Aug 13 23:58
DaemonFC[m]So LOLAug 13 23:58
schestowitz $4,000 a month condo?Aug 13 23:58
DaemonFC[m]I'm not getting screwed as badly as the people who wanted Real Progressive Change You Can Believe In.Aug 13 23:58
schestowitzWhere?Aug 13 23:58
DaemonFC[m]YEAHAug 13 23:58
schestowitzMiami Bech?Aug 13 23:58
DaemonFC[m]The loop.Aug 13 23:58
schestowitzBeachAug 13 23:58
DaemonFC[m]It was getting terrible there.Aug 13 23:58
schestowitzsoon to be known as Miami BleachAug 13 23:59
DaemonFC[m]$4,000 for a one bedroom in some buildings. In Chicago.Aug 13 23:59
schestowitzripoffAug 13 23:59
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schestowitzWhat's in it,a golden toilet bowl?Aug 13 23:59
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, and like I said, they're getting everything they voted for.Aug 13 23:59
DaemonFC[m]A government full of idiots and pussies who won't deal with the crime.Aug 13 23:59
schestowitzRahm?Aug 13 23:59

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