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| psydroid | I did file bug reports over the years and worked with developers in several channels on irc to get things fixed, when my own skills weren't sufficient | Oct 13 00:48 |
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| psydroid | I just moved away for several years and now I'm struggling to catch up because so much has changed | Oct 13 00:49 |
| scientes | but you are focusing on the wrong stuff | Oct 13 00:49 |
| scientes | that's why everyone hated systemd, cause it broke their habits | Oct 13 00:50 |
| scientes | you have to focus on the data structures and the algorithms | Oct 13 00:51 |
| scientes | data structures are more important | Oct 13 00:51 |
| MinceR | it didn't break my habits | Oct 13 00:53 |
| MinceR | it broke my distro | Oct 13 00:53 |
| oiaohm | systemd does require thinking differently. | Oct 13 00:53 |
| MinceR | yeah, you need to destroy your brain to the point where you believe it to be a good idea | Oct 13 00:53 |
| oiaohm | systemd did for me locate a lot of problems that were hard to debug. | Oct 13 00:53 |
| MinceR | we still haven't fixed those problems | Oct 13 00:53 |
| MinceR | the community being too vulnerable and fragile | Oct 13 00:53 |
| oiaohm | Internally I solved the source of 4000 random bugs | Oct 13 00:54 |
| oiaohm | This is party why you disagreement don't get too far with me MinceR | Oct 13 00:54 |
| MinceR | you removed a component with 4000 bugs in it? | Oct 13 00:54 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: no | Oct 13 00:55 |
| oiaohm | Other than getting rid of sysvinit that could not track stuff correctly. | Oct 13 00:55 |
| oiaohm | Lot of setting errors and configuration errors got located. | Oct 13 00:55 |
| oiaohm | So its mostly the same software slightly different configurations. | Oct 13 00:56 |
| MinceR | easy | Oct 13 00:56 |
| oiaohm | It once you could work out hey this is screwing up because X database is being memory staved. | Oct 13 00:56 |
| MinceR | just replace your OS with another | Oct 13 00:56 |
| MinceR | and then convince yourself to ignore all the bugs in the new one | Oct 13 00:57 |
| MinceR | better living though the mutilation of your own mind | Oct 13 00:57 |
| oiaohm | Memory controls helped. | Oct 13 00:57 |
| oiaohm | There are lot of features of systemd that fixed bugs. | Oct 13 00:57 |
| MinceR | i'm looking forward to the cult that will convince a meteor not to hit Earth | Oct 13 00:57 |
| oiaohm | Yes systemd has a few bugs but compared to what I had before. | Oct 13 00:57 |
| oiaohm | systemd has been a step forwards for my workflow. | Oct 13 00:58 |
| MinceR | there's a cult that's trying to convince us that there's no climate catastrophe already | Oct 13 00:58 |
| oiaohm | Would I like to see something replace systemd with its advantages and none of it downsides yes I would. | Oct 13 00:59 |
| oiaohm | Really the no climate catastrophe would be in the class of people who say sysvinit works when for lot of us without question is a broken stack of crap. | Oct 13 01:00 |
| XRevan86 | https://linux.org.ru/forum/talks/15284167 a funny observation | Oct 13 01:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.org.ru | Greg Kroah-Hartman жжот — Talks — Форум | Oct 13 01:01 | |
| XRevan86 | https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux.git/log/?h=v5.2.21 | Oct 13 01:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.kernel.org | kernel/git/stable/linux.git - Linux kernel stable tree | Oct 13 01:01 | |
| MinceR | talking to oiaohm is like talking to any other cultist | Oct 13 01:01 |
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| XRevan86 | Oh hey, another systemd srach | Oct 13 01:02 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I see you as a Cultist as well. | Oct 13 01:03 |
| MinceR | "no u" | Oct 13 01:03 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: with question because you compared systemd to windows. | Oct 13 01:03 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: what it not related to. | Oct 13 01:03 |
| oiaohm | Common Cultist behavour is make up lies to defend their point of view. | Oct 13 01:04 |
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| MinceR | similarity and relation are two different things | Oct 13 01:04 |
| XRevan86 | "he is right" scientes: Never said he isn't. | Oct 13 01:04 |
| MinceR | and i'm not the one making up lies to defend my point of view, apparently | Oct 13 01:04 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: what lies | Oct 13 01:04 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: it you who have used lies. | Oct 13 01:05 |
| scientes | geeze, violent linux https://www.linux.org.ru/photos/101460:-1897149992.png | Oct 13 01:05 |
| oiaohm | I have never said systemd is perfect. Heck I have even open bug reports multi times when required to get stuff fixed in systemd. | Oct 13 01:06 |
| MinceR | yeah, you haven't said it explicitly, only implied it | Oct 13 01:06 |
| scientes | XRevan86, hehehe, it links against libastral.so.1 | Oct 13 01:06 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: The site's logo is https://linux.org.ru/img/good-penguin.png :) | Oct 13 01:07 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Really. I have never said systemd is perfect. You mind has implied it so lets depend on a lie. I will say that systemd is better in lots of cases that what we were using. The reality it is. | Oct 13 01:07 |
| oiaohm | Is systemd perfect no. | Oct 13 01:07 |
| MinceR | so why force it on people? | Oct 13 01:07 |
| oiaohm | I had sysvinit force on me as well when I was moving from BSD to Linux with work. | Oct 13 01:08 |
| MinceR | there were several other options before systemd existed | Oct 13 01:08 |
| oiaohm | That was going from a init system that worked that could be diagnosed to something that was busted to hell. | Oct 13 01:08 |
| MinceR | neither of which was forced on you | Oct 13 01:08 |
| oiaohm | Really | Oct 13 01:09 |
| oiaohm | Did you ever try to use any of those other init systems. | Oct 13 01:09 |
| oiaohm | I bet not | Oct 13 01:09 |
| oiaohm | 100 percent bet not | Oct 13 01:09 |
| MinceR | i have used some of them | Oct 13 01:09 |
| oiaohm | In production. | Oct 13 01:09 |
| oiaohm | For sesous stuff not some joke play around | Oct 13 01:09 |
| MinceR | even in production | Oct 13 01:09 |
| oiaohm | Really | Oct 13 01:09 |
| MinceR | well, on a development machine | Oct 13 01:10 |
| oiaohm | I don't beleive you | Oct 13 01:10 |
| oiaohm | See | Oct 13 01:10 |
| oiaohm | No production | Oct 13 01:10 |
| MinceR | then don't | Oct 13 01:10 |
| MinceR | who cares what you believe | Oct 13 01:10 |
| oiaohm | on production we were always forced back to 1 init systme | Oct 13 01:10 |
| MinceR | what a blow for you | Oct 13 01:10 |
| oiaohm | because upstream vendors only support 1 init at time most of the time. | Oct 13 01:10 |
| MinceR | who forced you? | Oct 13 01:10 |
| oiaohm | You not using that forget support contract help .... | Oct 13 01:10 |
| oiaohm | So fairly much before systemd your only choice most of time was sysvint. | Oct 13 01:11 |
| oiaohm | The single choice problem is old. | Oct 13 01:12 |
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| oiaohm | Predates systemd. | Oct 13 01:12 |
| MinceR | yeah, it's not like canonical supported upstart on ubuntu | Oct 13 01:12 |
| oiaohm | upstart had to mantain perfect sysvinit support this lead to them having the ptrace break debugging problem. | Oct 13 01:12 |
| MinceR | that's irrelevant | Oct 13 01:13 |
| oiaohm | Yes you had vendors telling to renable sysvint on ubuntu or forget your support contract. | Oct 13 01:13 |
| oiaohm | One of those was orcale. | Oct 13 01:13 |
| MinceR | maybe you shouldn't sign support contract with such incompetent vendors | Oct 13 01:13 |
| MinceR | s/ct/cts/ | Oct 13 01:13 |
| oiaohm | Not your choice when its software mandated by government you have to run required orcale database. | Oct 13 01:14 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: It is not the software forcing you though. | Oct 13 01:15 |
| scientes | it is free software.... | Oct 13 01:15 |
| XRevan86 | Software cannot take the blame for a third-party making restrictions. | Oct 13 01:15 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 13 01:15 |
| oiaohm | Systemd in the same boat where its being blamed for the outside forces effects. | Oct 13 01:16 |
| MinceR | there's also a difference between your business partner demanding something of you and a corporation invading and destroying an organization from within to remove your choices | Oct 13 01:16 |
| MinceR | yeah, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain | Oct 13 01:16 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Well it is pretty obvious that systemd doesn't care about non-systemd systems. | Oct 13 01:16 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Otherwise they would've made an effort to keep udev and logind separate. | Oct 13 01:17 |
| scientes | XRevan86, i got that directly from lennart when i mentioned such ideas | Oct 13 01:17 |
| oiaohm | udev before systemd was fairly clear it did not care about keeping it upstream scripts compadible with anything other that sysvinit as well. | Oct 13 01:17 |
| scientes | way back before journald | Oct 13 01:17 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: "it is free software"? | Oct 13 01:17 |
| oiaohm | There were many parts that are now in systemd that were not caring about support multi init solutions. | Oct 13 01:17 |
| MinceR | interesting theory | Oct 13 01:17 |
| oiaohm | So not a new problem. | Oct 13 01:18 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: These are different kinds of software though. | Oct 13 01:18 |
| oiaohm | Systemd put name to and put in all in 1 location where you could see it. | Oct 13 01:18 |
| MinceR | and turned them into a monolithic mess | Oct 13 01:18 |
| oiaohm | Lot of people fail to see the merges into systemd were project that were already controled by redhat and run with redhat qa in mind. So tested as a unified block behind the curtian as MinceR puts it | Oct 13 01:19 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: How's that really better than having multiple git projects all in one master-project on *cough-cough* GitHub? | Oct 13 01:19 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Others care about these projects, as eudev and elogind prove. | Oct 13 01:20 |
| scientes | I do have to agree that putting systemd and udev together was kinda insideous | Oct 13 01:20 |
| scientes | it also means that android will never use udev | Oct 13 01:20 |
| MinceR | good for android | Oct 13 01:20 |
| oiaohm | eudev fork predated systemd. | Oct 13 01:21 |
| MinceR | oh really? | Oct 13 01:21 |
| oiaohm | Because gentoo was running into issues. | Oct 13 01:21 |
| MinceR | and what was its purpose? | Oct 13 01:21 |
| XRevan86 | And systems without systemd still have a place no matter what systemd developers might think. | Oct 13 01:21 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: maybe they'll make it illegal | Oct 13 01:21 |
| scientes | its just android and OpenWRT right now | Oct 13 01:21 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: You're forgetting endless containers | Oct 13 01:22 |
| MinceR | after all, political maneuvering and violence are easier to implement than writing an init daemon that can do its job reliably | Oct 13 01:22 |
| MinceR | and also easier than writing a useful OS | Oct 13 01:22 |
| MinceR | you can again see the parallels between red hat and microsoft | Oct 13 01:22 |
| MinceR | except for oiaohm, he can't | Oct 13 01:22 |
| scientes | https://openwrt.org/docs/techref/procd | Oct 13 01:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-openwrt.org | OpenWrt Project: Procd system init and daemon management | Oct 13 01:22 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: eudev started with issues gentoo was running into with upstart this is before systemd. Where udev would have sysvinit particular stuff in the defaults. | Oct 13 01:23 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so this problem started well before systemd. | Oct 13 01:23 |
| MinceR | and udev developers wouldn't merge the fixes? | Oct 13 01:23 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Indeed. | Oct 13 01:24 |
| scientes | I would love to see another project distill the DAG functionality of systemd | Oct 13 01:24 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: But that's also a place where udev and logind aren't helpful either. | Oct 13 01:25 |
| MinceR | scientes: aren't there several? | Oct 13 01:25 |
| scientes | but most people do not first awknowledge that that was far superior to everything else | Oct 13 01:25 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: its more complex that that. Redhat was unified QA sysvinit udev consolekit..... As in X versions for those products were tested and worked with each other. If you used miss match of versions bad things would happen as well.. | Oct 13 01:25 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: so how does the fact that RH started this hostile behavior before they came up with systemd make it acceptable? | Oct 13 01:26 |
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| MinceR | does their usage of sysvinit somehow make sysvinit responsible for this, perhaps? | Oct 13 01:26 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so udev would not merge fixes at times because it would be like you need to wait for X version we still have in house of these other project to released. | Oct 13 01:26 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and then it will be fixed. | Oct 13 01:27 |
| oiaohm | Systemd removed that inhouse problem that the working bundle is put out as a block. It also make clear how big that inhouse in fact was and is. | Oct 13 01:27 |
| MinceR | "removed" | Oct 13 01:28 |
| MinceR | making a problem worse is "removing" a problem | Oct 13 01:28 |
| MinceR | and other interesting neologisms with oiaohm | Oct 13 01:28 |
| oiaohm | It also puts all what use to be spread out refusals todo things under 1 issue list. | Oct 13 01:29 |
| MinceR | so exciting | Oct 13 01:30 |
| oiaohm | So you would see a refusal to change system in udev, consolekit... before systemd all in different trackers so fairly hidden. | Oct 13 01:30 |
| MinceR | kind of like rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic | Oct 13 01:30 |
| oiaohm | Exactly. | Oct 13 01:30 |
| oiaohm | The ship was going down the complete time and no one was really seeing it until systemd. | Oct 13 01:30 |
| decnet | down with systemd :[ | Oct 13 01:35 |
| scientes | مرگ بر systemd | Oct 13 01:37 |
| decnet | feature-creeping bloatware like Windows ? | Oct 13 01:37 |
| MinceR | yeah | Oct 13 01:37 |
| MinceR | only on winblows processes really are expensive | Oct 13 01:37 |
| MinceR | while systemd only pretends they're so on Linux | Oct 13 01:38 |
| MinceR | maybe gkh can fix that | Oct 13 01:38 |
| scientes | مرگ بر systemd! | Oct 13 01:38 |
| decnet | “Systemd is essentially an implementation of the interpreter of implicit non-procedural language defined by those parameters by a a person, who never have written an interpreter from a programming language in his life.” | Oct 13 01:41 |
| decnet | http://www.softpanorama.org/Commercial_linuxes/Startup_and_shutdown/systemd.shtml | Oct 13 01:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.softpanorama.org | Systemd invasion into Linux Server space | Oct 13 01:41 | |
| decnet | Haaaaa ............................................. | Oct 13 01:41 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 13 01:41 |
| scientes | uggghhh, AFAIK it is not turing complete | Oct 13 01:42 |
| scientes | although you can embed stuff to actual interpreters in it | Oct 13 01:42 |
| decnet | cat /lib/systemd/system/[a-z]* | egrep -v "^#|^ |^\[" | cut -d '=' -f 1 | sort | uniq -c | sort -rn | Oct 13 01:43 |
| scientes | decnet, its just a DAG, that is the best part of systemd | Oct 13 01:44 |
| decnet | Accept AccuracySec After Alias AllowIsolate Also AppArmorProfile Backlog Before BindsTo BusName CapabilityBoundingSet ConditionACPower ConditionCapability ConditionDirectoryNotEmpty ConditionFileIsExecutable ConditionFileNotEmpty ConditionKernelCommandLine ConditionNeedsUpdate ConditionPathExists ConditionPathExistsGlob ConditionPathIsDirectory ConditionPathIsMountPoint ConditionPathIsReadWrite ConditionPathIsSymbolicLink ConditionSecurity | Oct 13 01:45 |
| decnet | ConditionVirtualization Conflicts DefaultDependencies DefaultInstance Delegate Description DirectoryNotEmpty Documentation Environment EnvironmentFile ExecReload ExecStart ExecStartPost ExecStartPre ExecStop ExecStopPost FileDescriptorStoreMax Group IgnoreOnIsolate IgnoreSIGPIPE IOSchedulingClass JobTimeoutAction JobTimeoutSec KillMode KillSignal LimitNOFILE LimitNPROC ListenDatagram ListenFIFO ListenNetlink ListenSequentialPacket | Oct 13 01:45 |
| decnet | ListenSpecial ListenStream MakeDirectory MaxConnections NoNewPrivileges NotifyAccess OnActiveSec OnBootSec OnCalendar OnFailure OnFailureJobMode OnUnitActiveSec OOMScoreAdjust PAMName PartOf PassCredentials PassSecurity PathChanged PermissionsStartOnly Persistent PIDFile PrivateDevices PrivateNetwork PrivateTmp ProtectHome ProtectSystem RandomizedDelaySec ReadOnlyDirectories ReadWriteDirectories ReceiveBuffer RefuseManualStart | Oct 13 01:45 |
| decnet | RefuseManualStop ReloadPropagatedFrom RemainAfterExit Requires RequiresMountsFor Requisite Restart RestartSec SendBuffer SendSIGHUP SendSIGKILL Service Slice SocketMode Sockets StandardError StandardInput StandardOutput StartLimitBurst StopWhenUnneeded SuccessExitStatus Symlinks TasksMax TimeoutSec TimeoutStartSec TimeoutStopSec TTYPath TTYReset TTYVHangup TTYVTDisallocate Type User UtmpIdentifier WantedBy Wants WatchdogSec What Where | Oct 13 01:45 |
| decnet | WorkingDirectory Writable | Oct 13 01:45 |
| MinceR | please use pastebin instead | Oct 13 01:45 |
| decnet | What's confusing about systemd :] | Oct 13 01:45 |
| MinceR | the cultists are | Oct 13 01:46 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/sC0GJuw.jpg | Oct 13 01:46 |
| decnet | Haarrhr .. | Oct 13 01:47 |
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| decnet | Last mention of systemd: | Oct 13 01:50 |
| decnet | “SystemD is a body of religious beliefs and practices launched in March 2010 by German author Lennart Poettering (1980)” | Oct 13 01:50 |
| decnet | https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/software/general-linux-open-source/1110332-systemd-now-allows-custom-bpf-programs-to-be-loaded-on-cgroups | Oct 13 01:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Systemd Now Allows Custom BPF Programs To Be Loaded On Cgroups - Phoronix Forums | Oct 13 01:50 | |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 13 01:51 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/rr3DCQ7.mp4 ( https://imgur.com/gallery/rr3DCQ7 ) | Oct 13 01:56 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: A definite improvement. | Oct 13 02:00 |
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| cubexyz | just use a non-systemd distro, there's lots of them | Oct 13 02:07 |
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| oiaohm | decnet: the horrible part is systemd language of it unit files are particular designed not to be a interpreter for programming. | Oct 13 02:19 |
| oiaohm | decnet: https://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/non-procedural+language Little fact systemd is not a non-procedural language. | Oct 13 02:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com | Non-procedural language | Article about non-procedural language by The Free Dictionary | Oct 13 02:22 | |
| scientes | oiaohm, its not even a language | Oct 13 02:22 |
| scientes | its just key-value | Oct 13 02:22 |
| scientes | its just data | Oct 13 02:23 |
| oiaohm | Exactly | Oct 13 02:24 |
| scientes | [21:00:41] <XRevan86> MinceR: A definite improvement. | Oct 13 02:25 |
| scientes | XRevan86, why are you awake? | Oct 13 02:25 |
| oiaohm | decnet: systemd files are intentionally designed Turing Incomplete. So if you are comparing it to a programming language of course its not going to look right. Turing incomplete reduces you chances of creating a never ending loop. | Oct 13 02:28 |
| MinceR | it also reduces your chances of being able to get things done | Oct 13 02:28 |
| oiaohm | Really does anyone have a valid reason why a service init script really need to be able to loop for ever. | Oct 13 02:28 |
| scientes | or use your printer? | Oct 13 02:29 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I would not say that really reduces chances of getting stuff done. Make you think about the problem differently. Maybe question why in hell am I looping here or other equal dangerous things. | Oct 13 02:30 |
| MinceR | well, why in hell do you not pay attention to what you're doing | Oct 13 02:31 |
| MinceR | and then blaming your tools | Oct 13 02:31 |
| oiaohm | Blaming the tool is what you do with systemd all the time. | Oct 13 02:31 |
| scientes | I think systemd should print if it is unable to boot | Oct 13 02:31 |
| MinceR | also, why is it not written in pascal or some other bondage-and-discipline language | Oct 13 02:31 |
| MinceR | wrong again, oiaohm | Oct 13 02:31 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: not at all. | Oct 13 02:31 |
| MinceR | i think systemd should replace itself with an usable OS if it is unable to boot or shutdown | Oct 13 02:32 |
| cubexyz | in the olden days echo "blah blah" > LPT1" | Oct 13 02:32 |
| cubexyz | not sure if I remember that right | Oct 13 02:32 |
| MinceR | sounds about right, except for the extra quotes at the end | Oct 13 02:32 |
| scientes | MinceR, sysvinit scripts run as root | Oct 13 02:34 |
| scientes | and writing root sh without security problems is a dark art | Oct 13 02:34 |
| MinceR | scientes: systemd is written in C | Oct 13 02:34 |
| decnet | And systemd runs on 'unit file' that look a lot like old windows *.INI files ! | Oct 13 02:34 |
| MinceR | curious how its author believes he needs the freedoms he denies his users | Oct 13 02:34 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=107577 sysvinit was not without it fair share of horrible problems on start up and shutdown over the years. This one was kind of good system started up all right except you could even be to the point that single user was gone and that was sysvinit on bad day. | Oct 13 02:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugs.debian.org | #107577 - sysvinit: sysvinit fails to start gettys as specified in inittab at boot time - Debian Bug report logs | Oct 13 02:35 | |
| oiaohm | decnet: unit files are .ini files. | Oct 13 02:35 |
| oiaohm | decnet: not just looks like it. | Oct 13 02:36 |
| cubexyz | cat test.txt > /dev/lp0 on linux | Oct 13 02:36 |
| cubexyz | forget it if you have a USB printer though | Oct 13 02:36 |
| decnet | oiaohm: haaarrrr | Oct 13 02:36 |
| oiaohm | decnet: From manual "A unit file is a plain text ini-style file that encodes information about a service, a socket, a device, a mount point, an automount point, a swap file or partition, a start-up target, a watched file system path, a timer controlled and supervised by systemd(1), a resource management slice or a group of externally created processes. See systemd.syntax(5) for a general description of the syntax." | Oct 13 02:37 |
| oiaohm | decnet: so looking like INI file is exactly what they are meant to look like. | Oct 13 02:38 |
| MinceR | the better to copy their beloved idol microshit | Oct 13 02:39 |
| MinceR | i wonder when will they turn unit files into binaries, like the registry | Oct 13 02:39 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: You don't know history. | Oct 13 02:42 |
| MinceR | https://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/news/2019/10/11/top-red-hat-official-was-let-go-company-confirms.html | Oct 13 02:42 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.pmoylan.org/pages/os2/genini.html The first INI files were done by IBM those where encoded binaries. | Oct 13 02:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pmoylan.org | Generic INI file save/restore | Oct 13 02:42 | |
| MinceR | oiaohm: i'm not poettering so i don't know anything, obviously | Oct 13 02:42 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft decide that human readable INI was a good idea. | Oct 13 02:42 |
| MinceR | oh yes, now i remember | Oct 13 02:42 |
| oiaohm | Most likely one of the few things Microsoft got right. | Oct 13 02:42 |
| MinceR | INI was first used by IBM in their OS called "Solaris" | Oct 13 02:42 |
| MinceR | oh wait. | Oct 13 02:42 |
| oiaohm | Early systemd was thinking of doing xml like Solaris did. | Oct 13 02:43 |
| cubexyz | some of the LGP games used ini files | Oct 13 02:45 |
| cubexyz | and firefox did too if I remember right | Oct 13 02:46 |
| oiaohm | There are a long list of items that have choosen ini text based as there configuration format. | Oct 13 02:46 |
| oiaohm | systemd was highly model after SMF from Solaris. The ini instead of xml I don't see as a bad choice. | Oct 13 02:46 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, for LGP they ported windows games, probably the reason | Oct 13 02:47 |
| decnet | I'd like an init script to initialise the system and then get out of the way. | Oct 13 02:47 |
| MinceR | decnet: you're a heretic, just like me | Oct 13 02:48 |
| decnet | What is systemd, if it isn't an initialisation process? | Oct 13 02:51 |
| MinceR | it's an operating system | Oct 13 02:52 |
| MinceR | it's also a cult | Oct 13 02:52 |
| oiaohm | Not a operating system MinceR | Oct 13 02:52 |
| oiaohm | systemd provide a init binary and service management. | Oct 13 02:53 |
| MinceR | oh right, that's not what oiaohm's spiritual liege called it | Oct 13 02:53 |
| MinceR | he called it some bullshit like "building blocks for an operating system" | Oct 13 02:53 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: No there is a textbook define for operating system and systemd does not in fact meet it. | Oct 13 02:53 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so lie to call it a operating system. | Oct 13 02:53 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: did you write the textbook? | Oct 13 02:54 |
| decnet | If it's not an OS then why has it taken oveer many of the functions that used be done in 'Linux'? | Oct 13 02:55 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: No I did not write the textbook. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system | Oct 13 02:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Operating system - Wikipedia | Oct 13 02:55 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: is systemd directly controlling hardware no. There is a kernel under it. | Oct 13 02:55 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, which book did Ken Thompson use? | Oct 13 02:55 |
| cubexyz | does the literature go back that far I wonder | Oct 13 02:55 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: Ken Thompson wrote some of the basic tests if something is a operating system or not that systemd fails. | Oct 13 02:56 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: go tell RMS that GNU is not an OS | Oct 13 02:56 |
| oiaohm | GNU is a operating system if you count hurd. | Oct 13 02:57 |
| decnet | I thought GNU ran under EMACS :] | Oct 13 02:57 |
| MinceR | and systemd is an operating system if you count Linux. | Oct 13 02:57 |
| MinceR | (or is that Hartmanux?) | Oct 13 02:57 |
| oiaohm | Hurd was meant to be the kernel of GNU stuff. | Oct 13 02:57 |
| oiaohm | Of course that never worked out. | Oct 13 02:57 |
| oiaohm | Without a kernel GNU is just a userspace not a operating system. | Oct 13 02:58 |
| MinceR | way to form a tautology, oiaohm | Oct 13 02:58 |
| scientes | its also a great compiler | Oct 13 02:58 |
| scientes | world-class | Oct 13 02:58 |
| MinceR | if you define the OS as directly controlling hardware and that's what a kernel does then without a kernel an OS is just a userspace | Oct 13 02:59 |
| cubexyz | hmmm | Oct 13 02:59 |
| scientes | I don't get why you guys have to get so hot and bothered about this stuff | Oct 13 02:59 |
| cubexyz | sometimes the smarts was in the peripherals | Oct 13 02:59 |
| decnet | "Why I dislike systemd" http://www.steven-mcdonald.id.au/articles/systemd.shtml | Oct 13 03:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.steven-mcdonald.id.au | Why I dislike systemd | Oct 13 03:00 | |
| MinceR | scientes: because someone insulted oiaohm's favorite OS | Oct 13 03:00 |
| decnet | I'm off .. bye ... | Oct 13 03:00 |
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| MinceR | scientes: worse yet, someone resisted poettering's crusade to force his malware on everyone | Oct 13 03:00 |
| MinceR | these are both unforgivable offenses | Oct 13 03:00 |
| MinceR | and heresy. | Oct 13 03:00 |
| MinceR | obviously, they must somehow gain control over all our computers, erase the OS from them, and install systemd in its place | Oct 13 03:01 |
| MinceR | and then we're obliged to like it. | Oct 13 03:01 |
| scientes | how do i transfer my system from a SSD to M.2 | Oct 13 03:01 |
| scientes | guess i need a usb 3.0 case | Oct 13 03:01 |
| MinceR | or an adapter cable | Oct 13 03:02 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: You miss use of the word OS you see people do with containers as well as times. Userspace/distribution does not equal OS. | Oct 13 03:04 |
| scientes | GNU is the toolchain | Oct 13 03:04 |
| scientes | and runtime | Oct 13 03:04 |
| scientes | Linux is the OS | Oct 13 03:04 |
| scientes | that's how i see it | Oct 13 03:05 |
| MinceR | scientes: pretty unpopular viewpoint | Oct 13 03:05 |
| oiaohm | Exactly the Linux kernel is the one in charge of the hardware and how it resources are truly allocated. | Oct 13 03:05 |
| MinceR | though it seems oiaohm shares it, so it is now dogma. | Oct 13 03:05 |
| oiaohm | No this is a standard computer science define. | Oct 13 03:06 |
| oiaohm | So its a little more than dogma. | Oct 13 03:06 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, how old is the definition? | Oct 13 03:06 |
| MinceR | so why do we have 2 different terms for it? | Oct 13 03:06 |
| MinceR | ("operating system" and "kernel") | Oct 13 03:06 |
| oiaohm | 1970 ~s was around when C was written. | Oct 13 03:07 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: operating system is a super set around a kernel. | Oct 13 03:07 |
| oiaohm | No kernel not an operating system. | Oct 13 03:08 |
| oiaohm | So if systemd added a kernel then it an operating system. | Oct 13 03:08 |
| cubexyz | a program could be run on bare metal | Oct 13 03:08 |
| scientes | chrome is the RAM monster | Oct 13 03:08 |
| cubexyz | but that was in the past | Oct 13 03:08 |
| scientes | nom nom nom nom | Oct 13 03:08 |
| MinceR | maybe gkh will rename Linux to systemd-kerneld | Oct 13 03:08 |
| MinceR | just to make oiaohm happy | Oct 13 03:08 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: program running in bare metal would normally not be classed as a operating system because it would fail the other requirement of a operating system to run other applications instead of just itself. | Oct 13 03:09 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: no that not to make me happy. It just would mean you would not have to admit you have been using at term wrong. | Oct 13 03:10 |
| MinceR | i don't have to admit something that is not true | Oct 13 03:12 |
| MinceR | maybe poettering will eventually make sure systemd doesn't fulfill that second requirement | Oct 13 03:12 |
| MinceR | after all, why run applications if you can just implement everything badly in systemd | Oct 13 03:13 |
| cubexyz | it's hard to think of the commodore 64 as having an OS | Oct 13 03:14 |
| oiaohm | Really I would not be past saying it systemd keeps on taking instuff that one day we will not wake up and find that is an operating system. At this stage its not because its does not include the bare metal stuff to be an operanting system and it does not include a API/ABI for applications to run on top of it completely. | Oct 13 03:14 |
| cubexyz | it was more like a rudimentary input/output interface | Oct 13 03:14 |
| oiaohm | At this stage systemd does not tick the required boxes to be an operating system. | Oct 13 03:15 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: the C64 firmware does in fact tick the basics. Its has the bare metal and provides API/ABI to applications to work. | Oct 13 03:16 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: how far do you think you would get with sytstemd if you took away gnu libc? | Oct 13 03:17 |
| oiaohm | So its a kernel and a libc that systemd still need to take in to come an operating system in it own right. | Oct 13 03:17 |
| MinceR | as far as it took them to hijack a libc project and make it dependent on systemd? | Oct 13 03:17 |
| cubexyz | well is the windowing API part of the OS? many possible definitions | Oct 13 03:17 |
| MinceR | cubexyz: same is true of DOS | Oct 13 03:18 |
| cubexyz | your OS definition is going to change over time maybe | Oct 13 03:18 |
| MinceR | it could | Oct 13 03:19 |
| oiaohm | Windows API is just providing API/ABI to applications. OS define is grey enough to expand out. | Oct 13 03:19 |
| MinceR | but some people will keep on pretending it to be strict, perfect and unchanging | Oct 13 03:19 |
| oiaohm | But some core parts have to be there. | Oct 13 03:19 |
| MinceR | ooh, some grayness has manifested just for oiaohm | Oct 13 03:19 |
| oiaohm | Like a kernel. | Oct 13 03:19 |
| MinceR | isn't it awfully convenient when the rules change just for you? | Oct 13 03:19 |
| cubexyz | to me, the X11 stuff isn't really part of the OS, it's an add-on | Oct 13 03:19 |
| oiaohm | No I did not change the rules. | Oct 13 03:20 |
| MinceR | well, distributions are OS-es and many of them ship X11 :> | Oct 13 03:20 |
| cubexyz | that modularity is what I liked about Unix/Linux/BSD | Oct 13 03:20 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the define from the 1970 had greyness in that area. | Oct 13 03:20 |
| MinceR | cubexyz: and that is what makes you a heretic | Oct 13 03:20 |
| cubexyz | bah, I'm not that heretical :) | Oct 13 03:20 |
| MinceR | modularity means that you decide what you use, which is unacceptable | Oct 13 03:21 |
| MinceR | poettering decides what you use. | Oct 13 03:21 |
| oiaohm | Some early unix shipped without X11 and you had to buy that as extra not part of the operating system. Other unixs included X11 as part of operating system. | Oct 13 03:21 |
| oiaohm | If windowing is or is not part of operating system has been grey area for a long time. | Oct 13 03:22 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, right so the X11 wasn't a critical part of the system | Oct 13 03:22 |
| cubexyz | you can work without it | Oct 13 03:22 |
| oiaohm | Some of the early unixs system would not boot without X11. | Oct 13 03:22 |
| oiaohm | It depends if it was critical or not how crap was configured. | Oct 13 03:22 |
| cubexyz | sounds awful | Oct 13 03:23 |
| MinceR | probably some proprietary piece of shit | Oct 13 03:23 |
| MinceR | let me guess, Slowlaris again? | Oct 13 03:23 |
| oiaohm | Worse Microsoft idea of Unix so displaying icons as services started instead of text. | Oct 13 03:23 |
| oiaohm | So service cannot start because you cannot display icon yep well and truly stupid. | Oct 13 03:24 |
| cubexyz | really if you want traditional unix I think you need to at least run one BSD box | Oct 13 03:28 |
| cubexyz | kind of sad to say | Oct 13 03:28 |
| cubexyz | slackware hasn't updated in quite some time | Oct 13 03:29 |
| MinceR | i do run a BSD box | Oct 13 03:29 |
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| jagadees | MIT has a long history of normalizing evil | Oct 13 07:58 |
| jagadees | the real crimes. | Oct 13 07:58 |
| jagadees | https://thetech.com/2019/10/03/liberal-outrage-white-supremacy-epstein | Oct 13 07:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thetech.com | Liberal outrage and white supremacy: the case of Epstein | The Tech | Oct 13 07:58 | |
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| schestowitz | pleroma down | Oct 13 09:07 |
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| schestowitz | it's all on the same block/network I assume | Oct 13 09:08 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/16228180 | Oct 13 13:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: For ONE MONTH #corporatemedia focused on Richard Stallman, who called Bill's friend, #epstein , a "serial rapist".. And the media said Stallman had defended Epstein. #libel #slander #defamation #billgates @sjvn | Oct 13 13:43 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/16228091 | Oct 13 13:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #billgates lawyers and spokeperson 1) Gates doesn't know #epstein 2) OK, he knows him, but just barely 3) OK, yes, they flew together (Gates has his own plane!) 4) OK, he went to 'pedoville', but he didn't do anything | Oct 13 13:43 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- Photo by schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: https://joindiaspora.com/uploads/images/thumb_medium_f0cb20b56c64cf3d77f9.jpg | Oct 13 13:43 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/16228075 | Oct 13 13:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #ksa regime on #khashoggi 1) he left safely 2) OK, he did not leave safely, but we don't know what happened 3) OK, we killed him, we don't know where the body is 4) OK, we chopped and cooked him, but it wasn't MbS' fault | Oct 13 13:44 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- Photo by schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: https://joindiaspora.com/uploads/images/thumb_medium_7deb880fa07d0aea14bd.jpg | Oct 13 13:44 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/16228069 | Oct 13 13:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@johnada@snarl.de: **♲ Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) (schestowitz@joindiaspora.com):** >  > "Habibi, I just find some scapegoats to put on trial for #khashoggi ..." > > #rms #gnu #mit #fsf [\[l\]](https://joindiaspora.com/posts/f06e4540cfe001376db3002590d8e506) Dos criminales de cuello y corbata dandose la mano... | Oct 13 13:44 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> joindiaspora.com | "Habibi, I just find some scapegoats to put on trial for #khashoggi... | Oct 13 13:44 | |
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| schestowitz | pleroma back | Oct 13 14:07 |
| schestowitz | not viera and kaniini | Oct 13 14:07 |
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| schestowitz | yo, kaniini | Oct 13 14:09 |
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| scientes | aww sweet | Oct 13 15:09 |
| scientes | firefox added containers | Oct 13 15:09 |
| scientes | which means I can ditcch the butt-slow chrome | Oct 13 15:09 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 13 15:10 |
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| scientes | now the problem is gnome-shell | Oct 13 15:12 |
| scientes | which uses 600MB | Oct 13 15:12 |
| scientes | and can't be restarted | Oct 13 15:12 |
| MinceR | ditch gnome | Oct 13 15:15 |
| scientes | but i like gnome-shell, especial since unity-2d was dumped | Oct 13 15:16 |
| scientes | xfce and lxde just provide a shit experience | Oct 13 15:16 |
| scientes | and kde is even heavier | Oct 13 15:16 |
| MinceR | lxqt is better than all of those, so far | Oct 13 15:17 |
| scientes | still shit experience IMHO | Oct 13 15:17 |
| scientes | with gnome you can just get stuff done | Oct 13 15:17 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 13 15:17 |
| scientes | you don't have to fuck around | Oct 13 15:17 |
| MinceR | yeah, they've decided everything for you | Oct 13 15:18 |
| MinceR | badly, but that's the user's problem :> | Oct 13 15:18 |
| scientes | I like it that way | Oct 13 15:18 |
| scientes | uggh i fucking hate web | Oct 13 15:21 |
| scientes | they just don't care about ram usage | Oct 13 15:22 |
| MinceR | maybe they do | Oct 13 15:22 |
| MinceR | and want it to be as high as they can get away with | Oct 13 15:22 |
| MinceR | the more RAM the user wastes on your webapp, the more important your webapp is! | Oct 13 15:22 |
| scientes | uggh, i want to go back to debian cause snap sucks | Oct 13 15:23 |
| scientes | but then Google just bought out debian | Oct 13 15:23 |
| MinceR | they did? | Oct 13 15:23 |
| scientes | bunch of people have been sacked | Oct 13 15:24 |
| scientes | and the huge donation google gave debian was hidden | Oct 13 15:24 |
| scientes | ublock also got banned on chromium | Oct 13 15:25 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: http://oklahoman.com/article/feed/9965568/chicago-police-4-dead-1-wounded-in-apartment-shooting | Oct 13 15:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-oklahoman.com | Chicago police: 4 dead, 1 wounded in apartment shooting | Oct 13 15:29 | |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Completely now? | Oct 13 15:31 |
| XRevan86 | "why are you awake?" scientes: I wasn't %). | Oct 13 15:33 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: They're getting nasty about these paywalls. | Oct 13 15:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you do reader mode: | Oct 13 15:36 |
| *DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/IlZhpgsPIkVknbjHheInjQcZ > | Oct 13 15:36 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Javascript, maybe? | Oct 13 15:36 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, turn off JavaScript and the text is correct. | Oct 13 15:42 |
| scientes | XRevan86, no, just based on what you posted | Oct 13 15:56 |
| XRevan86 | Ah. Well, it hasn't disappered from the Store yet. Although it does appear to be imminent. | Oct 13 15:57 |
| XRevan86 | https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBlock-issues/issues/745#issuecomment-541356836 or not | Oct 13 15:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dev build 1.22.5rc1 "REJECTED" from Chrome Web Store · Issue #745 · uBlockOrigin/uBlock-issues · GitHub | Oct 13 15:58 | |
| XRevan86 | they resolved it | Oct 13 15:58 |
| *XRevan86 still waits for the new WebExtensions standard that will restrict element blocking. | Oct 13 15:59 | |
| scientes | O RLY | Oct 13 15:59 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It's a year old news | Oct 13 16:00 |
| scientes | R U MAD? | Oct 13 16:00 |
| XRevan86 | Google plans to dumb down adblocking | Oct 13 16:00 |
| scientes | theyve been doing that | Oct 13 16:00 |
| scientes | it also means they plan to make the web require more memory | Oct 13 16:00 |
| *psydroid waits for the magical WebExtension that will archive the web as we know it | Oct 13 16:00 | |
| XRevan86 | https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBlock-issues/issues/338 | Oct 13 16:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Chrome extension manifest v3 proposal · Issue #338 · uBlockOrigin/uBlock-issues · GitHub | Oct 13 16:01 | |
| scientes | oh yeah this is the same news I knew | Oct 13 16:01 |
| XRevan86 | "13 Dec 2018" – yay, my time estimation is finally accurate! | Oct 13 16:01 |
| XRevan86 | As far as I know, they're still going with it. | Oct 13 16:02 |
| scientes | maybe enlightenment would be better | Oct 13 16:02 |
| scientes | its just they don't package their software so its kinda a PITA to use | Oct 13 16:02 |
| scientes | I just don't have time for such non-sense | Oct 13 16:03 |
| scientes | but e is quite fast | Oct 13 16:04 |
| XRevan86 | "e" – ambiguous | Oct 13 16:04 |
| XRevan86 | there's /e/ | Oct 13 16:04 |
| scientes | enlightenment | Oct 13 16:04 |
| scientes | https://www.enlightenment.org/ | Oct 13 16:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.enlightenment.org | Enlightenment Main | Oct 13 16:05 | |
| XRevan86 | scientes: just sayin' | Oct 13 16:05 |
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| schestowitz | kaniini: seems like viera is still offline | Oct 13 16:50 |
| kaniini | i'm more concerned about why that breaker tripped twice in a row | Oct 13 16:51 |
| kaniini | i think this means i have a server that is owned and mining crypto | Oct 13 16:51 |
| schestowitz | the thing that took the site offline? | Oct 13 16:51 |
| kaniini | yeah | Oct 13 16:51 |
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| kaniini | took out half of my cabinet | Oct 13 16:51 |
| kaniini | i'm just going to turn off the wordpress server, none of the installs in question are production | Oct 13 16:52 |
| schestowitz | what's the evidence if any of intrusion? | Oct 13 16:53 |
| kaniini | i don't have any evidence, i just think one of my servers is sucking up tons of power mining crypto | Oct 13 16:53 |
| kaniini | (: | Oct 13 16:53 |
| kaniini | maybe the PDU is going bad | Oct 13 16:53 |
| kaniini | that is my other theory | Oct 13 16:53 |
| XRevan86 | Any Medium links and links to YouTube videos with RMS not in bright light inserted? %) | Oct 13 16:53 |
| kaniini | we will soon find out | Oct 13 16:53 |
| kaniini | i do have a spare PDU. if it trips again, i'm going to have remote hands put in a new PDU. | Oct 13 16:54 |
| schestowitz | didn't some intruders call their malware after RMS, or made a good intrusion called that? | Oct 13 16:54 |
| *schestowitz searches | Oct 13 16:55 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.pcworld.com/article/2988933/this-vigilante-virus-protects-you-against-malware-attacks-quotes-richard-stallman.html | Oct 13 16:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-This vigilante virus protects you against malware attacks, quotes Richard Stallman | PCWorld | Oct 13 16:58 | |
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| schestowitz | https://coinpedia.org/news/mcafee-says-mcafeedex-is-open-source/ | Oct 13 16:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-coinpedia.org | John McAfee DEX | McAfeeDEX | McAfeeDEX Open Source | Oct 13 16:59 | |
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| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Got to wonder how it spreads. | Oct 13 17:01 |
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| scientes | no really. it still is command-and-control | Oct 13 18:27 |
| MinceR | http://existentialcomics.com/comic/241 | Oct 13 18:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-existentialcomics.com | The Blind Philosopher - Existential Comics | Oct 13 18:27 | |
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| MinceR | http://existentialcomics.com/comic/246 | Oct 13 18:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-existentialcomics.com | Life Decisions - Existential Comics | Oct 13 18:37 | |
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| scientes | XRevan86, do you mind if I PM you? | Oct 13 19:11 |
| *XRevan86 got Boris Johnson'd | Oct 13 19:15 | |
| scientes | hehe | Oct 13 19:16 |
| *scientes actually didn't know who that was... | Oct 13 19:16 | |
| scientes | all these bobble-heads | Oct 13 19:16 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: The British funny-hair guy | Oct 13 19:17 |
| XRevan86 | The current PM and a Tory (obviously) | Oct 13 19:18 |
| MinceR | akak BoJo the clown | Oct 13 19:18 |
| MinceR | s/k / / | Oct 13 19:18 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Dmitry Medvedev'd then | Oct 13 19:18 |
| scientes | this guy? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Branson | Oct 13 19:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Richard Branson - Wikipedia | Oct 13 19:18 | |
| scientes | > Sir | Oct 13 19:18 |
| XRevan86 | https://youtu.be/_Hzg2IL9xQ0 | Oct 13 19:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Медведев танцует под Американ бой. Полная версия - YouTube | Oct 13 19:19 | |
| scientes | is that Medvedev? | Oct 13 19:19 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: The one in a blue jacket | Oct 13 19:20 |
| scientes | the Greek party is still better | Oct 13 19:20 |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/reMhSC5 | Oct 13 19:29 |
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| scientes | women are not a class | Oct 13 20:25 |
| scientes | and treating them that way distracts from real class issues | Oct 13 20:25 |
| scientes | you will have this super-rich woman calling a poor person "intolerant" | Oct 13 20:26 |
| schestowitz | gender and race wars | Oct 13 20:28 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Doesn't change that women should have the same rights. | Oct 13 20:28 |
| schestowitz | making us tussle among outselves | Oct 13 20:28 |
| scientes | I think they should | Oct 13 20:28 |
| schestowitz | *outselves | Oct 13 20:28 |
| schestowitz | *>>ourselves | Oct 13 20:28 |
| MinceR | religious wars | Oct 13 20:30 |
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| schestowitz | sectarian | Oct 13 20:31 |
| schestowitz | when it's hard to divide based on race | Oct 13 20:31 |
| schestowitz | like in India/Pakistan | Oct 13 20:32 |
| scientes | sex still is not a class | Oct 13 20:32 |
| schestowitz | stay classy | Oct 13 20:39 |
| schestowitz | stay sexy | Oct 13 20:39 |
| scientes | hehe | Oct 13 20:39 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: A good non-discrimination law is impartial enough to not have that problem. | Oct 13 20:41 |
| scientes | yeah, I'm more talking about rot of society | Oct 13 20:41 |
| XRevan86 | And if we're talking about the hunty society, then they should just learn to look into context for a change. | Oct 13 20:41 |
| scientes | if a woman is willing to use the law, they are man enough (hehe) to do anything | Oct 13 20:41 |
| scientes | hunty? | Oct 13 20:42 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: hunt-y | Oct 13 20:42 |
| XRevan86 | that likes to hunt | Oct 13 20:42 |
| XRevan86 | for "bad guys" | Oct 13 20:43 |
| scientes | but seriously, if a woman is willing to take on a group over non-discrimination, they she def. deserves to be part | Oct 13 20:43 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: part of what? | Oct 13 20:43 |
| scientes | of whatever it is why was being denied... | Oct 13 20:43 |
| scientes | its the willingness to separate herself and ask for something | Oct 13 20:44 |
| XRevan86 | I find it very annoying how often in the anglonet people misunderstand and then take offence based on that | Oct 13 20:44 |
| XRevan86 | Looking at Russians writing in English in the Fediverse is an especially hilarious show | Oct 13 20:45 |
| scientes | hmmmmmmm | Oct 13 20:46 |
| XRevan86 | they don't know what's waiting for them | Oct 13 20:46 |
| *scientes just avoids it | Oct 13 20:46 | |
| XRevan86 | It's probably relevant for other networks too | Oct 13 20:46 |
| scientes | its kinda annoying how this scholarship doesn't allow listing of work | Oct 13 20:47 |
| scientes | it has to be a vain act to list it | Oct 13 20:47 |
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| scientes | well it also has "online study courses" | Oct 13 20:48 |
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