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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Why secure web-based applications with Kali Linux? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/131635 [https://pleroma.site/objects/369a00e0-d6cf-40d9-8111-5100e9908386] | Dec 13 01:39 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Proteus Device is a secure, Linux-based handheld (not a smartphone) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/131636 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b5914927-ba1e-402d-abd8-f5604e71c56f] | Dec 13 01:40 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Nvidia Linux/BSD Graphics Driver Adds Support for Quadro T2000 with Max-Q Design http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/131637 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9b641484-ca32-4886-90cc-251163006cac] | Dec 13 01:42 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Zorin OS 15.1 is Released: A Better Way to Work, Learn and Play http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/131638 [https://pleroma.site/objects/bb1b9ec7-a08e-4c34-9934-74b09a629449] | Dec 13 01:44 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/131639 [https://pleroma.site/objects/170e5640-13fd-47d8-ac39-6cb8588baa51] | Dec 13 01:45 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Game Awards, Unity (Mono) and Hive Time http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/131640 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c77c7dcd-9650-4c48-95e2-6c195181c79a] | Dec 13 02:00 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Deepin Linux Review: Stylish Distro or Spyware? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/131642 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6eba2565-10a7-4efe-ae78-d759ba30823c] | Dec 13 02:10 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Vim 8.2 is available! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/131643 [https://pleroma.site/objects/161eb11c-c0ca-4a3d-9cd0-a66d842325f5] | Dec 13 02:33 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Audiocasts/Shows: Linux Headlines, Ubuntu Podcast and Bad Voltage http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/131644 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ca6661ab-4fb8-46a8-95a0-dabb294b2f03] | Dec 13 02:43 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Python Programming, Rust and Puppet Enterprise 3 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/131645 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1baa80e4-a827-4260-9c2e-9d42d4352be5] | Dec 13 02:47 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mesa 19.3.0 Released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/131646 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b1d562ef-a088-45ae-b760-98547e4f1ed6] | Dec 13 02:49 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Devices: Axiomtek, Vecow and Canonical on Robotics http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/131647 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1f33db52-aea5-40ec-96bd-98d9ecca8752] | Dec 13 03:00 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mozilla: Analysis Maturation Plan, Content Security Policy and Firefox Reality http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/131648 [https://pleroma.site/objects/531305ff-8904-4c70-a074-479d6923878b] | Dec 13 03:02 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Red Hat and Fedora; OpenShift, Satellite, Fedora Women’s Day and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/131649 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e0bebeb3-ab6d-4ada-9719-9759b97807c3] | Dec 13 03:15 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I still remember being on a cattle property and living on killing rabbits and grown vegetables because the property was destocked due to dry. But that is because I did not mind eating rabbit. Now if you don't exactly like the taste...of rabbits your choice is basically vegan. | Dec 13 04:14 |
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| oiaohm | So a lot more farmers are temporary vegan that most people think. | Dec 13 04:15 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/131650 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b906c048-5689-4cfc-a357-3b0224683d99] | Dec 13 04:23 | |
| schestowitz | :-( | Dec 13 04:30 |
| schestowitz | why even kill them? | Dec 13 04:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz They're an invasive species. | Dec 13 04:33 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: in Australia rabbits are a environmental pest. | Dec 13 04:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Australia got overrun with them years ago. | Dec 13 04:34 |
| schestowitz | humans are | Dec 13 04:34 |
| oiaohm | That just happen to taste reasonable. | Dec 13 04:34 |
| oiaohm | Rabbit warrens in Australian soils are highly dangerous. | Dec 13 04:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, if you're going to kill them as a pest and they are edible..... | Dec 13 04:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Why not make rabbit stew? | Dec 13 04:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Rabbit burrito. | Dec 13 04:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Rabbit burger.... | Dec 13 04:35 |
| oiaohm | You serve them up and call rabbit 4 legged chicken and most people who don't know better have no problem eating it. | Dec 13 04:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I spent the evening at Dave and Busters. | Dec 13 04:36 |
| oiaohm | Slightly tougher texture chicken is basically what rabbit meat is. | Dec 13 04:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They have this $20 all you can eat wings and video games. | Dec 13 04:36 |
| oiaohm | I still remember having scout camp when I was young with city slickers and we serve up 36 scouts with a meal made in a rough Hāngi (using heated bricks instead of stone) about 18 rabbits. Of course while they were eating it we were calling it 4 leg chicken. | Dec 13 04:39 |
| oiaohm | After they had their meal we brought out the rabbit skin hats we had made from the skins. | Dec 13 04:39 |
| oiaohm | That was one fun camp. | Dec 13 04:40 |
| oiaohm | They turns up at the camp site and due to hangi and all the cooking being underground there looked to be no cooking or food being done. | Dec 13 04:40 |
| oiaohm | And their leader had the idea we will go to town and by food only to be told the largest fast food joint in town could not feed them no matter what. | Dec 13 04:41 |
| oiaohm | They wanted a rural experience we gave them one. | Dec 13 04:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It would be nice if I knew how to live like that. Just go off the grid and ignore the government. | Dec 13 04:47 |
| oiaohm | Sorry to say attempting to live off grid does not mean you can avoid government | Dec 13 04:53 |
| oiaohm | At times weather conditions here get that bad you need government assistance to get basics like water. | Dec 13 04:54 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: China's Kylin forks are about to join up for new 'domestic os' http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/131651 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f29a4c30-7ad1-4447-9b2d-5bc83948e99f] | Dec 13 05:43 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: AndesCore 27-Series Linux RISC-V SoC Features a Vector Processing Unit http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/131653 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e813e2d4-cfce-4c80-9ed8-74b1037490ed] | Dec 13 05:51 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: BSD: BGP and OpenBGPD, FreeBSD and OpenBSD http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/131654 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a68bd46d-f116-4f87-8677-53e16165c7e6] | Dec 13 05:56 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Benchmark results on mdds multi_type_vector http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/131655 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f90997e0-ebdc-4134-8dce-5413dc5ae636] | Dec 13 06:54 | |
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| oiaohm | https://www.zdnet.com/article/gps-inventor-we-need-to-fix-gpss-jamming-problem/ we really do need to get a functional digital sextant | Dec 13 07:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GPS inventor: We need to fix GPS's jamming problem | ZDNet | Dec 13 07:25 | |
| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Dvx5NSyi8 | Dec 13 07:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-There's only one man who would DARE give me the raspberry - YouTube | Dec 13 07:27 | |
| oiaohm | Of course a functional digital sextant only need good time value would not have to depend on satellites. | Dec 13 07:30 |
| oiaohm | For most navigations things the 250 meter sq of where you are is good enough. | Dec 13 07:30 |
| oiaohm | At least enough in most cases to say hey the GPS I am getting is bogus crap. | Dec 13 07:31 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/131659 [https://pleroma.site/objects/38e1482b-c00b-422a-9ada-aa373c6ef333] | Dec 13 08:41 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: What GNOME 2 fans love about the Mate Linux desktop http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/131661 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8a200298-065b-4267-b624-c0a71a01b961] | Dec 13 09:02 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Google Now Bans Some Linux Web Browsers From Their Services http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/131662 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f91cece9-6b9d-408c-b7f9-dd05fb0697a4] | Dec 13 09:07 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/131663 [https://pleroma.site/objects/85cbda12-43a6-4c0e-aac9-a30657f1c8cd] | Dec 13 09:31 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Screencasts and Shows: ArcoLinux 19.12 Run Through, TechSNAP and Python Bytes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/131666 [https://pleroma.site/objects/db18598b-0645-4f32-bbf5-e4b359d2bacd] | Dec 13 09:40 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 13/12/2019: Zorin OS 15.1, Vim 8.2 http://techrights.org/2019/12/13/zorin-os-15-1/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/3ad3c4d6-349c-45bb-b6a2-24c127b00bce] | Dec 13 09:56 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Why FOSS is still not on activist agendas http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/131668 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c8c08021-b8f8-45ce-8af6-a3f6f7e2e226] | Dec 13 09:57 | |
| schestowitz | one wonders if Microsoft was a big client of these law firms https://www.linkedin.com/in/thbarnes/ | Dec 13 10:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 999 @ https://www.linkedin.com/in/thbarnes/ ) | Dec 13 10:05 | |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: what about the reverse as well. | Dec 13 10:31 |
| XRevan86 | https://habr.com/en/post/479968 this good post is translated to English turns out | Dec 13 11:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Nginx's office is being searched due to Rambler Group's lawsuit. The complaintant press service confirmed the suit / Habr | Dec 13 11:09 | |
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| linuxgirl | Hi :-) | Dec 13 14:02 |
| XRevan86 | linuxgirl: hi | Dec 13 14:03 |
| linuxgirl | :-) | Dec 13 14:03 |
| linuxgirl | Seen Bryan Lunduke's latest video? He's calling out the LF and corporate stuff adversely affecting Linux. | Dec 13 14:03 |
| linuxgirl | https://www.patreon.com/posts/2-problems-linux-32306856 | Dec 13 14:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The 2 Problems Facing Linux (and Open Source) in 2020 | Bryan Lunduke on Patreon | Dec 13 14:05 | |
| linuxgirl | It's free, not paid, link | Dec 13 14:05 |
| MinceR | interesting how to him "business" is an excuse for any crime | Dec 13 14:07 |
| MinceR | Church of the Almighty Money? | Dec 13 14:07 |
| linuxgirl | to Lunduke? | Dec 13 14:07 |
| MinceR | yes | Dec 13 14:08 |
| MinceR | >I don't view Microsoft as evil... simply a company focused (primarily) on Closed Source software and with a track record of attacking those that threaten their core businesses. They're just doing the business they do. | Dec 13 14:08 |
| linuxgirl | I didn't read it that way; he's pointing out facts, but the whole article clearly is about concerns to do with MS and others. | Dec 13 14:08 |
| MinceR | apparently even trying to coexist with microsloth is a threat to their core businesses and so microshit trying to end human technology (and human life) is just business | Dec 13 14:09 |
| linuxgirl | Yes, MS stink. The article's about stopping them/corporate/LF eg by forking, which he sees could happen in 2020 if things keep ramping up. | Dec 13 14:09 |
| linuxgirl | He references that. | Dec 13 14:10 |
| linuxgirl | Good that somebody more public is actually speaking up. | Dec 13 14:10 |
| MinceR | the only way to save Linux would be if enough competent kernel developers switched to maintaining a fork of it | Dec 13 14:10 |
| linuxgirl | I'd stopped watching him when he didn't acknowledge about RMS sabotaged, but this video got my attention. | Dec 13 14:10 |
| linuxgirl | Yes, it needs the developers. | Dec 13 14:10 |
| MinceR | which is not likely to happen | Dec 13 14:10 |
| linuxgirl | Don't know. Do we know all the developers? | Dec 13 14:11 |
| MinceR | i know there's only one sane person in the upper echelons, and he's on a leash | Dec 13 14:11 |
| linuxgirl | Ted T'so? | Dec 13 14:11 |
| MinceR | Linus | Dec 13 14:11 |
| linuxgirl | He's gone really quiet. | Dec 13 14:11 |
| MinceR | where does Ted T'so stand on the CoC and cancerd issues? | Dec 13 14:12 |
| linuxgirl | He needed to keep being Linus, to not knuckle under the CoC. | Dec 13 14:12 |
| MinceR | i haven't heard of the other people from before the megacorporate takeover | Dec 13 14:12 |
| linuxgirl | I don't know Ted, but he got attacked within the 1st week, so I doubt he's keen on it. | Dec 13 14:12 |
| linuxgirl | 1st week of the CoC I mean | Dec 13 14:13 |
| MinceR | microsuck's minions are probably blackmailing Linus | Dec 13 14:13 |
| linuxgirl | That's the problem; if he'd not gone along with anything, and kept being Linus, that would have been a powerful thing to do. Maybe he will speak up, as things ramp up worse. | Dec 13 14:13 |
| linuxgirl | The last article published here (figosdev?) has bothered me ... saying about dishonesty while at the same time saying about 'we were all scheming a year before', and then wondering why RMS is doing things his way ('fighting quietly'). | Dec 13 14:16 |
| linuxgirl | Due to RMS 'fighting quietly', unlike possibly the author of the article, so much was achieved. | Dec 13 14:17 |
| linuxgirl | I don't know why people are thinking that hoping in the FSF is going to work. Even this author says they never listen. Maybe RMS is right to not take them on, instead preferring to get on with his work and do some further good. Who knows, but the 'boycotting most of Europe' was unnecessary in the mix too. I know news is thin on the ground at the | Dec 13 14:18 |
| linuxgirl | moment, but surely it's better to not just fill the space like this. | Dec 13 14:18 |
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| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/10/29/c086db8258ee5859.png | Dec 13 14:26 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: :) | Dec 13 14:27 |
| MinceR | also, i don't think Lunduke's solution will work, unfortunately | Dec 13 14:35 |
| MinceR | microsloth and their cultists have a habit of reframing any criticism to them as "hatred" | Dec 13 14:36 |
| MinceR | (and they do deserve all the hatred and attacks they get) | Dec 13 14:36 |
| psydroid | it gets even worse than that | Dec 13 14:38 |
| psydroid | in one of my conversations on freenode microsloth adapts were even arguing that software developers writing software on and free operating systems take away from software development for microsloth platforms | Dec 13 14:39 |
| psydroid | that's the moment I realised these people aren't right in their heads and they deserve their platform to be completely annihilated, after which they have the option of going down along with it | Dec 13 14:39 |
| MinceR | indeed | Dec 13 14:40 |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/10/17/813689fcc97f8231.jpg | Dec 13 15:15 |
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| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/642895.jpg | Dec 13 15:57 |
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| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/642781.jpg | Dec 13 17:14 |
| XRevan86 | https://meduza.io/en/feature/2019/12/13/a-typical-racket-simple-as-that | Dec 13 17:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE | Dec 13 17:15 | |
| *XRevan86 is surprised how big this topic got | Dec 13 17:17 | |
| XRevan86 | https://linux.org.ru/photos/122921:-498285915.jpg %) | Dec 13 17:20 |
| XRevan86 | and another one: https://hsto.org/webt/6f/vi/wn/6fviwnzhvci1qk-qsbgk9yzv-gc.png | Dec 13 17:20 |
| MinceR | i'm not surprised by the racket | Dec 13 17:24 |
| MinceR | what i'm wondering about is whether putin is involved | Dec 13 17:24 |
| oiaohm | psydroid: its true that software development on Linux has taken some software away from Microsoft in the enterprise sector. | Dec 13 17:25 |
| MinceR | what's this i/we business? | Dec 13 17:25 |
| oiaohm | WSL was another services for unix attempt to reverse a trend. Did not work now they have WSL2 it going to be interesting to watch if business are going to take the point of view hey make a Linux package it works everywhere. | Dec 13 17:27 |
| psydroid | oiaohm, that's exactly the point, if Microsoft and its partners want software written for their technologies they'll have to pay developers to do it for them | Dec 13 17:27 |
| MinceR | that won't last | Dec 13 17:27 |
| MinceR | microsloth is working on stopping Linux from working anywhere | Dec 13 17:27 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Putin is always involved %) | Dec 13 17:28 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: And in a lot of ways failing at it. | Dec 13 17:28 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 13 17:28 |
| danielp3344 | <MinceR "microsloth is working on stoppin"> ? | Dec 13 17:29 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: so this is a ploy to get nginx (including proprietary parts) under ownership of a corporation controlled by putin? | Dec 13 17:29 |
| MinceR | danielp3344: CoC and the Linux-Destroying Foundation | Dec 13 17:30 |
| MinceR | gkh even announced that he'll break the usb stack next | Dec 13 17:30 |
| danielp3344 | 'break' how? | Dec 13 17:30 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I wouldn't go that far. Seems to be more petty than that. | Dec 13 17:30 |
| MinceR | danielp3344: some reimplementation, i forgot | Dec 13 17:31 |
| XRevan86 | I still don't get what their plan was. And because of the backlash probably never will. | Dec 13 17:31 |
| oiaohm | Really Coppa against youtube and other things show that government regulation of content is coming to the internet. | Dec 13 17:31 |
| danielp3344 | There's always the hurd | Dec 13 17:31 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: iow, the internet is going to be killed by states | Dec 13 17:32 |
| MinceR | danielp3344: hurd is dead | Dec 13 17:32 |
| danielp3344 | I hear they're getting decent audio support | Dec 13 17:32 |
| danielp3344 | <MinceR "Daniel Peterson: hurd is dead"> actually I know people who actively work on it | Dec 13 17:32 |
| XRevan86 | Rambler is already trying to sell a story that it wasn't involved at all, it's all offshore's doing, the one they gave rights to represent them to | Dec 13 17:32 |
| MinceR | remember how hurd used to be a multiserver microkernel system? | Dec 13 17:32 |
| MinceR | https://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/open_issues/systemd.html | Dec 13 17:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnu.org | systemd | Dec 13 17:32 | |
| MinceR | it's funny how matrix replaces nicks with full names | Dec 13 17:33 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: its not just the USA pushing these regulations the EU is as well. | Dec 13 17:33 |
| MinceR | my point stands | Dec 13 17:33 |
| MinceR | note that i didn't say "united states" | Dec 13 17:34 |
| XRevan86 | The problem with that being that the offshore's beneficiary is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Mamut , a co-owner of Rambler. | Dec 13 17:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Alexander Mamut - Wikipedia | Dec 13 17:34 | |
| MinceR | XRevan86: what offshore? | Dec 13 17:34 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Lynwood Investments CY Ltd | Dec 13 17:36 |
| MinceR | i see | Dec 13 17:38 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: some of the parties like Australia also getting in on the regulation game now its not the states of them. I would say governments are going to kill of the old internet a lot of people new leaving a lot more regulated version. | Dec 13 17:43 |
| XRevan86 | It was almost immediately thought that this trick is to avoid a backfire – if something goes wrong, it's the offshore that's liable. | Dec 13 17:43 |
| MinceR | well, humanity gets another chance to learn why they don't want states or authoritarianism | Dec 13 17:43 |
| MinceR | but maybe they won't survive the lesson | Dec 13 17:43 |
| XRevan86 | For this criminal abuse of copyright law. | Dec 13 17:43 |
| XRevan86 | And it seems Rambler does play this card al-flipping-ready | Dec 13 17:44 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: I still remember hurd early debugging problem of being next to impossible due to not being willing to stay down after something went wrong. | Dec 13 17:51 |
| oiaohm | So restart loops. | Dec 13 17:51 |
| MinceR | yeah, i remember you explaining it :> | Dec 13 17:51 |
| oiaohm | There is such thing as too durable of a operating system. | Dec 13 17:52 |
| MinceR | well, systemd will definitely make it easier to keep hurd from getting back into operational state | Dec 13 17:52 |
| MinceR | and users will finally get to wait forever for a very informative error message saying "A stop job is running for user" | Dec 13 17:52 |
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| oiaohm | A stop job is running for user systemd does not wait forever there is adjustable watchdog timer. | Dec 13 17:53 |
| oiaohm | Its a lot nicer when that is set to 1 second. | Dec 13 17:53 |
| MinceR | i'm sure it's easy to adjust on a system that's trying and failing to shut down | Dec 13 17:53 |
| MinceR | i adjust it using the power button or equivalent | Dec 13 17:53 |
| MinceR | after all, if the machine was running important things, it wouldn't be running cancerd. | Dec 13 17:53 |
| MinceR | i suppose handling esc or ^C wouldn't have been the "modern" thing to do | Dec 13 17:54 |
| oiaohm | That stop job thing comes about dealing with orcale database screw ups. | Dec 13 17:54 |
| oiaohm | under sysvinit., | Dec 13 17:54 |
| XRevan86 | I thought systemd does handle Ctrl+Alt+Del pressed multiple times. | Dec 13 17:54 |
| oiaohm | Being design for smf and zones it expects that. | Dec 13 17:54 |
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| MinceR | on the vm that did this yesterday, there's no obstacle database | Dec 13 17:55 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: i'll try that next time | Dec 13 17:55 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so your idea that systemd would not be running important things is wrong. Some of the dependencies of important things like some orcale db based medical managment system need that wait behavour so bad things don't happen. | Dec 13 17:56 |
| MinceR | if you're trusting obstacle and cancerd with medical data, you're doing something wrong | Dec 13 17:56 |
| MinceR | possibly even criminally wrong | Dec 13 17:56 |
| MinceR | same thing as running medical imaging and radiotherapy on winblows | Dec 13 17:57 |
| oiaohm | sysvinit where it kills stuff without noticing that it should wait for data to get to disk? | Dec 13 17:57 |
| oiaohm | That my problem you say don't use systemd but what is the option in those cases that current works where you do need to check the status of services and do need to wait. | Dec 13 17:58 |
| MinceR | you keep insisting that systemd works | Dec 13 17:58 |
| MinceR | unfortunately, it just doesn't | Dec 13 17:58 |
| oiaohm | You keep on saying it does not work when that not the absolute story either. | Dec 13 17:58 |
| MinceR | and unfortunately, your words aren't magical, so spamming this channel with praises of cancerd isn't fixing anything | Dec 13 17:59 |
| oiaohm | systemd works in particular case very well. | Dec 13 17:59 |
| MinceR | ah yes | Dec 13 17:59 |
| MinceR | the particular case of wanting to heat a room with a half-booted or half-shutdown PC | Dec 13 17:59 |
| oiaohm | and with the new version with pidfd support no longer has the cgroup race problem on killing services. | Dec 13 17:59 |
| MinceR | for those who are tired of heating a room with windows running additional malware scavenged from the internet | Dec 13 17:59 |
| MinceR | nice | Dec 13 17:59 |
| MinceR | sounds like they might get Linux into a state where it will be suitable basis for developing something that has some similarities with systemd | Dec 13 18:00 |
| oiaohm | The current versions on current kernel of systemd is behaving very well. | Dec 13 18:00 |
| MinceR | too bad it will probably be an unusable windows-like wreck by then | Dec 13 18:00 |
| MinceR | and too bad they've already killed several GNU/Linux distributions in an attempt to force their pre-proof-of-concept piece of shit on people who didn't ask for it | Dec 13 18:01 |
| MinceR | by the time cgroups will work properly, users will have probably migrated to openbsd already | Dec 13 18:01 |
| MinceR | hopefully people will learn from this and avoid corporate influence in free software projects like the plague. | Dec 13 18:01 |
| oiaohm | Problem was cgroups v2 has cgroups fixed. | Dec 13 18:02 |
| oiaohm | But cgroups really does not fix the PID is a number that can get replaced by another process at any random time. | Dec 13 18:03 |
| oiaohm | pidfd is the fix to the PID number problem. | Dec 13 18:03 |
| oiaohm | The reality is systemd started with cgroup v1 and no pidfd stuff and pushed in the direction of a fully working service management solution with the level of broken crap the Linux kernel was a the time. | Dec 13 18:04 |
| oiaohm | openbsd has the pidfd problem. Only one of the BSD kernels without the pidfd problem is freebsd. | Dec 13 18:05 |
| oiaohm | Ie the problem pidfd fixes. | Dec 13 18:05 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so migrating to openbsd is techically migrating to broken. | Dec 13 18:06 |
| MinceR | "everything is broken but systemd is special and sacred" | Dec 13 18:06 |
| *MinceR yawns | Dec 13 18:07 | |
| oiaohm | Also really funny OS X who kernel is based off of freebsd managed to have the PID recycling problem. that pidfd fixed for Linux and freebsd kernel has a fix for because they removed it. | Dec 13 18:07 |
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| MinceR | it's also great that a brand new ubuntu install boots to an emergency prompt to press ctrl+d to continue booting | Dec 13 18:07 |
| MinceR | hidden on a different virtual console from the one that's actually displayed | Dec 13 18:07 |
| MinceR | "german engineering!" | Dec 13 18:08 |
| *psydroid finally states that his contingency plan is to move to Redox OS and Helenos and he will have a look at AROS, AtheOS and Haiku for old computers | Dec 13 18:08 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: not everything outside systemd is broken. There have been things broken in the Posix/unix world of decades. | Dec 13 18:08 |
| MinceR | the os x kernel is a horrible abomination which is driven by marketing lies | Dec 13 18:08 |
| psydroid | we all want a piece of that German engineering! | Dec 13 18:08 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: then you should probably move to windows | Dec 13 18:08 |
| MinceR | it's built on principles you love | Dec 13 18:09 |
| MinceR | and take the whole cult with you | Dec 13 18:09 |
| oiaohm | I hate windows. | Dec 13 18:09 |
| MinceR | they've done so much work for nothing | Dec 13 18:09 |
| oiaohm | Where is my cpu management around services. | Dec 13 18:09 |
| MinceR | as an added bonus, they could finally stop pretending that processes are expensive | Dec 13 18:09 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: come on with windows how do I control how much cpu a service will use. | Dec 13 18:09 |
| MinceR | because they'd have a kernel where processes really are expensive! | Dec 13 18:09 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: you don't | Dec 13 18:09 |
| oiaohm | Exactly. | Dec 13 18:09 |
| oiaohm | That is what I want. | Dec 13 18:09 |
| MinceR | if you cared about how much cpu things used, you'd run unix, not some bloated piece of shit | Dec 13 18:09 |
| oiaohm | Windows does not suite me at all | Dec 13 18:10 |
| MinceR | neither does cancerd | Dec 13 18:10 |
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| oiaohm | with systemd I can limit a service to a paricular cpu and to particular level of cpu usage. | Dec 13 18:10 |
| oiaohm | so avoiding problems. | Dec 13 18:10 |
| MinceR | where cancerd (and packagekitd and dbus) uses more cpu than the application the user is using all the time | Dec 13 18:10 |
| oiaohm | Like I use to do with SMF and zones. | Dec 13 18:10 |
| oiaohm | What had you not worked out I am a old school solaris user. | Dec 13 18:11 |
| MinceR | then why don't you use slowlaris | Dec 13 18:11 |
| MinceR | and get the cancerd cult to switch to slowlaris | Dec 13 18:11 |
| MinceR | maybe Linux could be saved then | Dec 13 18:11 |
| oiaohm | Solaris has crappy hardware support. | Dec 13 18:11 |
| MinceR | just get crappy hardware then | Dec 13 18:12 |
| MinceR | it fits well with crappy software | Dec 13 18:12 |
| MinceR | i wonder if slowlaris runs on crApple hardware | Dec 13 18:12 |
| oiaohm | The answer is no. | Dec 13 18:12 |
| MinceR | pity | Dec 13 18:12 |
| MinceR | it would be a match made in hell | Dec 13 18:12 |
| oiaohm | Even in OS X virtual machines options it managed to totally fail. | Dec 13 18:13 |
| oiaohm | as I said crappy hardware support. | Dec 13 18:13 |
| oiaohm | It makes OS X hardware support look good. | Dec 13 18:13 |
| MinceR | nah, as long as the crApple logo lights up, they consider it a success | Dec 13 18:13 |
| oiaohm | I have seen a solaris screw up on a x86 motherboard and manage to overvolt the cpu from 1 volt to 3volts. | Dec 13 18:14 |
| MinceR | nice | Dec 13 18:14 |
| oiaohm | Of course the poor cpu did not live. | Dec 13 18:14 |
| MinceR | lucky cpu | Dec 13 18:14 |
| oiaohm | Sun hardware with solaris was about all that worked safely. | Dec 13 18:14 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: when it comes to cpu usage on my systemd does not show up top 4000 processes neither does packagekitd. dbus managed to be in the top 100. | Dec 13 18:19 |
| oiaohm | But that not doing things linked to systemd | Dec 13 18:19 |
| MinceR | https://blind.guru/daemon-cpu.html | Dec 13 18:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blind.guru | I am sorry, but this looks insane | Dec 13 18:20 | |
| MinceR | i guess the high priests get a different version of systemd from us plebs | Dec 13 18:20 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: no the old versions of systemd were like that. | Dec 13 18:23 |
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| oiaohm | They changed the way watchdog was implemented and systemd cpu usage dropped massively. | Dec 13 18:24 |
| MinceR | too bad they did this years after announcing it was "stable" and killing debian from inside to force it on users who didn't ask for it | Dec 13 18:25 |
| MinceR | i wonder if you can see how this undermines my ability to trust those people ever | Dec 13 18:25 |
| oiaohm | To change the watchdog to cpu effective required getting upstream kernel change in. | Dec 13 18:28 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: I can understand your issue. But I also understand that a lot of systemd problems where not systemd alone. Some was in fact Linux kernel having stuff implemented broken and them deciding to use it. | Dec 13 18:29 |
| oiaohm | Result finally has been a lot of those kernel level issues fixed. | Dec 13 18:30 |
| MinceR | some systemd problems were actually in sysvinit but they magically only manifested when using systemd! | Dec 13 18:30 |
| MinceR | and yes, some of it was systemd relying (in a non-optional way!) on kernel features that weren't complete and didn't work properly | Dec 13 18:31 |
| oiaohm | Systemd made it clear the fault was happening. When it was happening under sysvint without you knowing and you were rolling a dice every time it happen if it would be a good or bad outcome. | Dec 13 18:32 |
| MinceR | that's great, doing testing is a good thing to do | Dec 13 18:32 |
| MinceR | but it is not to be done in production | Dec 13 18:32 |
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| MinceR | like i've told you 9001 times | Dec 13 18:33 |
| MinceR | if some alleged "software engineer" doesn't understand this, then i'm not interested in running the "init system" they've "engineered" | Dec 13 18:33 |
| oiaohm | As I said with the Linux kernel development process back then to get it fixed it had to be in production. | Dec 13 18:33 |
| oiaohm | Remember the kernel only got any form of proper testing in mainline kernel in 2017. | Dec 13 18:33 |
| MinceR | then it's for the best that Linux dies and i switch to OpenBSD | Dec 13 18:33 |
| oiaohm | That is the Linux kernel. | Dec 13 18:34 |
| oiaohm | And we only got unit testing in the Linux kernel this year. | Dec 13 18:34 |
| oiaohm | Linux kernel development has not been any form of good engineering. Its been fly by seat of pants and be lucky. | Dec 13 18:34 |
| oiaohm | Yes systemd was working on top of that horrible foundation and decide to push the limits. | Dec 13 18:35 |
| oiaohm | I see systemd as the evil we had to have to get the development processes of Linux kernel to start heading in a more sane direction. | Dec 13 18:35 |
| MinceR | too bad we had to sacrifice GNU, the FSF and Linux to get to that sane direction | Dec 13 18:36 |
| MinceR | apparently the sane direction is "don't let corporations influence free software in any way, ever" | Dec 13 18:37 |
| MinceR | oh, and we also had to sacrifice Debian, but who's counting? | Dec 13 18:37 |
| oiaohm | wine background I remember when wine introduced test driven development as well. | Dec 13 18:38 |
| oiaohm | It was another painful time. | Dec 13 18:38 |
| oiaohm | I really wish it did not take using insanely big sticks to get software development to use quality control and confirm features implemented in fact work. | Dec 13 18:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I do agree that we should not have required the systemd developers basically to torch the place to get correct development processes. | Dec 13 18:40 |
| oiaohm | But with open source projects it been required many times. | Dec 13 18:40 |
| oiaohm | One of the great outcomes of the libreoffice vs openoffice blow up was proper testing on libreoffice leading to higher quality product. | Dec 13 18:41 |
| MinceR | especially since they still don't have correct development processes | Dec 13 18:41 |
| MinceR | and not only that, but they don't even have correct development principles | Dec 13 18:41 |
| MinceR | poettering still doesn't understand cohesion | Dec 13 18:41 |
| oiaohm | It closer now than where they started. | Dec 13 18:41 |
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| oiaohm | Most likely we will need another fire of some form in the init system area to clean that up properly. | Dec 13 18:42 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: the complete linux kernel development is defined as hurding cats because it has almost a total lack of cohesion | Dec 13 18:44 |
| oiaohm | But kind of works some how. | Dec 13 18:44 |
| oiaohm | Failure to understand cohesion is a common FOSS and closed source development problem. | Dec 13 18:45 |
| MinceR | too bad they put the only person capable of herding them on a leash | Dec 13 18:45 |
| MinceR | usually not being overly ambitious helps with the cohesion problem | Dec 13 18:45 |
| oiaohm | There is a problem here as well. Being under ambitious and not testing stuff with lack of cohesion end up with increasing growth of useless bloat code. | Dec 13 18:46 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: overly ambitious and under ambitious both display problems in different ways with lack of cohesion. | Dec 13 18:47 |
| oiaohm | sysvinit pid problem is example of lack of ambitious not testing that the stuff in fact worked. | Dec 13 18:47 |
| oiaohm | Lack of cohesion with good quality control that everything works. | Dec 13 18:50 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: to be correct Linus was starting to not explain and just basically be yelling resulting in getting slowly less effective at hurding. So in some ways putting a leash on Linus and saying you are not to use bad language/personal attacks. You are fine to attack the code means Linus is hurding better now. | Dec 13 18:51 |
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| oiaohm | Now if we can get some unified process for maintainers of the Linux kernel to use instead of the unique process per subsystem. | Dec 13 18:52 |
| oiaohm | Lack of cohesion in the Linux kernel. Make the lack of conhesion in systemd look like a minor headache. | Dec 13 18:53 |
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| MinceR | oiaohm: no, having the microsloth-driven Linux-Destroying Foundation ban people from conferences and from developing Linux because they made unrelated statements they don't like will not, in fact, make Linux better. | Dec 13 18:57 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: That the wrong point of view. If you look at the countries where those conference were being held those people statements were illegal in those countries. | Dec 13 19:36 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: what are they meant to let those people attend and get arrested? | Dec 13 19:36 |
| oiaohm | This war on terror stuff is meaning government regulation is coming a serous pain in ass. | Dec 13 19:37 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically sometimes this problems have nothing todo with Microsoft. But the rock and hard place government regulation is leaving people running conferences. | Dec 13 19:38 |
| MinceR | they could have told those people that they believe those people would be arrested if they visited | Dec 13 19:39 |
| MinceR | they're not authorities | Dec 13 19:39 |
| MinceR | as for microshit's involvement, see https://mobile.twitter.com/geo_walters/status/1041493985171316737 | Dec 13 19:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mobile.twitter.com | Twitter | Dec 13 19:40 | |
| oiaohm | You have not read the regulations. Informing them that they might be arrested as reason for blocking can be classed as given them aid so getting your conference management into trouble. | Dec 13 19:40 |
| oiaohm | Governement regulation around this stuff is pure ass hole. | Dec 13 19:41 |
| MinceR | then they could have stayed out of the whole thing instead of playing policeman | Dec 13 19:41 |
| MinceR | we have too many of those already, there's no need for volunteers | Dec 13 19:41 |
| oiaohm | Sorry no they cannot. | Dec 13 19:43 |
| oiaohm | There are some bands in Australia who will not filter those who can attend who is having the government cancel their complete venues. | Dec 13 19:43 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: basically don't play policeman in a lot countries now. No conference. | Dec 13 19:44 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Microsoft code of conduct really is nothing like the Linux conference code of conducts. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/procurement/supplier-conduct.aspx?activetab=pivot%3aprimaryr7 You can get Microsoft one here. | Dec 13 19:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft Supplier Code of Conduct | Microsoft Procurement | Dec 13 19:46 | |
| schestowitz | yes, sir microsoft | Dec 13 19:47 |
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| oiaohm | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_Conduct_for_the_International_Red_Cross_and_Red_Crescent_Movement_and_NGOs_in_Disaster_Relief << The term code of conduct well and truly predates Microsoft usage of it. | Dec 13 19:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Code of Conduct for the International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement and NGOs in Disaster Relief - Wikipedia | Dec 13 19:48 | |
| oiaohm | Yes the red cross code of conduct is closer to the Linux kernel one than the Microsoft code of conduct. | Dec 13 19:48 |
| schestowitz | maybe they had pedophile priest issues | Dec 13 19:49 |
| oiaohm | The red cross was one of the first to start directly dealing with that problem. | Dec 13 19:49 |
| schestowitz | don't think that applies to bill gates and his bff epstein | Dec 13 19:49 |
| oiaohm | Note Microsoft code of conduct applies to third party employees and suppliers not to themselves. | Dec 13 19:50 |
| schestowitz | anyway... if your point is, msft has it, so we should too | Dec 13 19:50 |
| schestowitz | then I'd see no pointing even debating the subject | Dec 13 19:50 |
| oiaohm | My point is Microsoft code of conduct is nothing like the Linux one other than the three words code of conduct. | Dec 13 19:51 |
| schestowitz | GNU/Linux needs to replace Miceosoft | Dec 13 19:51 |
| schestowitz | not apart to Microsoft culture | Dec 13 19:51 |
| schestowitz | *adapt | Dec 13 19:51 |
| oiaohm | Now if Linux kernel code of conduct and conference code of conduct was being compared to the red cross one there would be some matches. | Dec 13 19:51 |
| MinceR | when can we expect international red cross to deal with their problem of being massive bigots toward gamers? | Dec 13 19:51 |
| schestowitz | there are already laws in place | Dec 13 19:52 |
| schestowitz | e.g. for workplace harassment | Dec 13 19:52 |
| MinceR | 13 205108 < schestowitz> GNU/Linux needs to replace Miceosoft | Dec 13 19:52 |
| schestowitz | the corporations want to shield more excuses to control everything | Dec 13 19:52 |
| MinceR | i think that boat has sailed | Dec 13 19:52 |
| schestowitz | not just at state level | Dec 13 19:52 |
| schestowitz | EEE | Dec 13 19:52 |
| schestowitz | but not at gnu | Dec 13 19:52 |
| schestowitz | at lf-- yes | Dec 13 19:52 |
| oiaohm | The laws against workplace harassement also require management to take actions to prevent it. | Dec 13 19:53 |
| MinceR | ibm and microsuck will simply make gnu impossible to run on linux | Dec 13 19:53 |
| schestowitz | zemlin opened his cheeks too wide | Dec 13 19:53 |
| oiaohm | This normally comes a code of conduct/ code of ethics. | Dec 13 19:53 |
| schestowitz | and I don't mean his mouth | Dec 13 19:53 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft internal is code of ethics. | Dec 13 19:53 |
| MinceR | zemlin shouldn't have been allowed near the kernel | Dec 13 19:53 |
| MinceR | or near any free software project | Dec 13 19:53 |
| schestowitz | yup | Dec 13 19:53 |
| MinceR | lol @ the concept of microsloth having anything to do with ethics | Dec 13 19:53 |
| schestowitz | he was new to it | Dec 13 19:53 |
| oiaohm | Not like Microsoft code of ethics really restricts that much. | Dec 13 19:53 |
| MinceR | they're the anti-ethics | Dec 13 19:53 |
| schestowitz | he found out about LUNIX thing around 2000 | Dec 13 19:54 |
| MinceR | IBM stands for I'm Buying Microsoft | Dec 13 19:54 |
| danielp3344 | XD | Dec 13 19:54 |
| danielp3344 | MinceR: what about POWER? | Dec 13 19:55 |
| MinceR | i don't have one and i'm less and less interested in it | Dec 13 19:55 |
| danielp3344 | why is that? | Dec 13 19:55 |
| MinceR | is it any better than systemd, clearcase or clearquest? | Dec 13 19:56 |
| danielp3344 | They're the most powerful cpus available that don't require nonfree software of any sort | Dec 13 19:56 |
| MinceR | because ibm has made it clear that they'll do anything they can to harm the IT industry and the free software community | Dec 13 19:56 |
| danielp3344 | They're in like the top 3 most libre machines on the market | Dec 13 19:56 |
| MinceR | i think i'll use RISC-V or OpenRISC instead | Dec 13 19:56 |
| danielp3344 | MinceR: they're cool | Dec 13 19:56 |
| danielp3344 | but POWER is really fast | Dec 13 19:56 |
| MinceR | i'd need an open core to have a chance against hardware backdoors anyway | Dec 13 19:56 |
| MinceR | yeah, so's x86_64 | Dec 13 19:57 |
| danielp3344 | MinceR: POWER is much faster | Dec 13 19:57 |
| danielp3344 | even when gnu MP ans glibc had zero optimizations the cpus were beating the i9s and threadrippers | Dec 13 19:57 |
| danielp3344 | and* | Dec 13 19:57 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: https://query.prod.cms.rt.microsoft.com/cms/api/am/binary/RW83DQ Ok they have renamed it again at Microsoft. Its not code of ethics any more it standards of business When you read through that stack of policies all staff is meant to follow and basically nothing about good code of conduct. | Dec 13 20:00 |
| MinceR | funny, i guess someone reminded them that they don't do ethics | Dec 13 20:01 |
| MinceR | "business", on the other hand, simply means "crimes we can get away with" | Dec 13 20:01 |
| oiaohm | That document says they should not pay bribes to get contracts. | Dec 13 20:02 |
| oiaohm | But that does not stop them. | Dec 13 20:02 |
| MinceR | duh | Dec 13 20:02 |
| MinceR | interesting how the law applies to kernel developers the SJWs don't like but it doesn't apply to microshit or ibm or crApple | Dec 13 20:03 |
| MinceR | and how the law punishes slightly inconveniencing rich and powerful people much more harshly than murdering innocent poor people | Dec 13 20:03 |
| MinceR | what a sweet fucking deal for most people this whole state business is. | Dec 13 20:04 |
| oiaohm | IBM had something like the Linux kernel SoC before world war II. | Dec 13 20:04 |
| oiaohm | SoC/CoC | Dec 13 20:04 |
| MinceR | is that why they helped the nazis keep track of alleged jews? | Dec 13 20:04 |
| oiaohm | Yes because they could not do discrimination in business dealings | Dec 13 20:05 |
| oiaohm | Not supplying the nazis tech would have been discrimination right? | Dec 13 20:05 |
| oiaohm | IBM has refined their policy since then. | Dec 13 20:06 |
| oiaohm | Apple dealing with china is basically in the same way. | Dec 13 20:06 |
| oiaohm | The law does apply to Microsoft, apple and IBM. | Dec 13 20:06 |
| oiaohm | Problem is what it results in sometimes is quite horrible. | Dec 13 20:06 |
| MinceR | watson was way too proud of the medal he got from his nazi pals for this to be simply an issue of "unfortunately having to sell to them" | Dec 13 20:08 |
| oiaohm | Its something the so call social Justice warriors normally don't consider. That humans are humans who will bend the rules to suit their objectives. | Dec 13 20:09 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: remember by the IBM policy at the time watson was doing nothing wrong. Like the current Linux CoC https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/process/code-of-conduct.html where does it say here you cannot aid in mass murder. | Dec 13 20:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.kernel.org | Contributor Covenant Code of Conduct — The Linux Kernel documentation | Dec 13 20:12 | |
| MinceR | riiiiight | Dec 13 20:13 |
| MinceR | there's nothing wrong with rounding up people based on who their ancestors were and killing them | Dec 13 20:13 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: it was not against german law at the time and was not against company policy at the time. Of course IBM current day code of conduct is against the rules to knowing assist. | Dec 13 20:15 |
| oiaohm | We class is as wrong but hey that not the way it is. | Dec 13 20:16 |
| MinceR | and according to your theory of "the law is always right", that makes it all right | Dec 13 20:17 |
| MinceR | why do any pretense of ethics or morality at this point? | Dec 13 20:17 |
| oiaohm | I did not say the law is always right. | Dec 13 20:17 |
| MinceR | only implied it every chance you got? | Dec 13 20:18 |
| oiaohm | IBM code of conduct these days go well past what countries laws require. So does Microsoft code of conduct on suppliers and so does apple code of conduct on suppliers. | Dec 13 20:18 |
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| oiaohm | CoC of the Linux kernel is only barely to what the Laws require. | Dec 13 20:19 |
| MinceR | which is not necessarily a good thing | Dec 13 20:19 |
| oiaohm | Exactly IBM historic example says it can be really a bad thing. | Dec 13 20:20 |
| MinceR | also, afaik in most jurisdictions the law does not require most or any of what the Linux CoC requires | Dec 13 20:20 |
| oiaohm | No 90% of the global jurisdictions require what is in the Linux kernel CoC. | Dec 13 20:20 |
| MinceR | this planet would be a lot less shitty place to live on if humans finally got over their perverse law fetishism and obsession. | Dec 13 20:20 |
| oiaohm | Mostly has been spread around the world by trade agreements. | Dec 13 20:21 |
| oiaohm | Linux kernel coc is fairly close to bare bones for doing business internationally | Dec 13 20:22 |
| oiaohm | that is most likely not a good thing. | Dec 13 20:22 |
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| oiaohm | as it really does not have the extra stuff to prevent abuse and miss use. | Dec 13 20:22 |
| schestowitz | [20:22] <oiaohm> that is most likely not a good thing. | Dec 13 20:23 |
| schestowitz | maybe Linux should also buy weapons | Dec 13 20:23 |
| schestowitz | as most countries do that | Dec 13 20:23 |
| MinceR | ?coorva :> | Dec 13 20:23 |
| MinceR | oops | Dec 13 20:23 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 13 20:23 |
| schestowitz | da. da. | Dec 13 20:23 |
| *schestowitz does not know a word in Hungarian except goulash | Dec 13 20:24 | |
| MinceR | that's not in hungarian though :> | Dec 13 20:24 |
| MinceR | the hungarian word would be "gulyás" | Dec 13 20:25 |
| XRevan86 | kurwa is Polish | Dec 13 20:25 |
| schestowitz | if I knew how to say face, I'd know what to call Viktor Orban | Dec 13 20:25 |
| XRevan86 | and the yes-word in Polish is tak | Dec 13 20:26 |
| MinceR | yeah, that line was a search command i wanted to edit and then forgot about | Dec 13 20:26 |
| MinceR | (it was from another channel) | Dec 13 20:26 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Convention_on_the_Elimination_of_All_Forms_of_Racial_Discrimination#/media/File:ICERD-members.PNG This map. The red and yellow on here is where you don't need the Linux kernel CoC by law. All the area in green technically need everything written in the Linux kernel CoC its only a question if the country will enforce their laws or not. | Dec 13 20:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination - Wikipedia | Dec 13 20:27 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: when you look at that map its over 90 percent of the earths land area. | Dec 13 20:27 |
| MinceR | ah, only racial | Dec 13 20:27 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Slavic/da#Descendants it appears no West Slavic language retained "da" | Dec 13 20:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | Reconstruction:Proto-Slavic/da - Wiktionary | Dec 13 20:27 | |
| MinceR | so when an SJW says "kill all males", that's totally acceptable | Dec 13 20:28 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the convention class sexes as races. | Dec 13 20:28 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so "kill all males" is breach of that convention. | Dec 13 20:29 |
| MinceR | maybe the convention should learn a few things about biology, then | Dec 13 20:29 |
| MinceR | also, even if it's in violation of the law, they somehow don't get punished for it | Dec 13 20:30 |
| oiaohm | That darkgreen on that map its in there laws but they are currently not enforcing it. | Dec 13 20:31 |
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| oiaohm | Of course USA would be one of those places that has not been enforcing it and is now starting to change. | Dec 13 20:32 |
| MinceR | but only in ways that are convenient for SJWs and their rich, powerful corporate sponsors | Dec 13 20:33 |
| oiaohm | The area of earth you techically need something like the linux CoC to run conventions is a lot larger than most suspect. | Dec 13 20:34 |
| MinceR | there isn't much of a point to those conventions anyway | Dec 13 20:34 |
| MinceR | SJWs have made sure of that | Dec 13 20:35 |
| MinceR | and microshit did too | Dec 13 20:35 |
| oiaohm | Remember when you sign on visa to enter a country you will obey this stuff even if it not enforced. If you get a prick of a boarder officer sees you been doing stuff in breach of that convetion they can send you home without trial. | Dec 13 20:36 |
| oiaohm | If you are a party running a conference the last thing you want todo is pay for air tickets for people who don't get in. | Dec 13 20:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I entered to win a Mercedes. | Dec 13 20:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: its not just SJW. Lot of people have no clue how big the legal requirement is and how much of the earth is covered. Because they don't see the laws being enforced. | Dec 13 20:38 |
| oiaohm | Having visa rejected really suxs. | Dec 13 20:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'd drive a free Mercedes until it was out of warranty and then sell it when it starts acting possessed 5 years later like any other German car. | Dec 13 20:38 |
| oiaohm | Particularly after person has used flight. | Dec 13 20:38 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 13 20:38 |
| oiaohm | Boarder enforcement means no trials. | Dec 13 20:39 |
| MinceR | don't fly to shitholes? | Dec 13 20:39 |
| oiaohm | And in most cases no media coverage. | Dec 13 20:39 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so 90 percent+ of the earth. | Dec 13 20:39 |
| oiaohm | You cannot fly to. | Dec 13 20:39 |
| MinceR | well yeah, there's this horrible human infestation | Dec 13 20:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, Trump is pushing judges to get people through in about 2 minutes. | Dec 13 20:39 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: then look at the red and yellow areas. | Dec 13 20:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So unless you can make your case in 120 seconds without a lawyer, good luck back in Mexico. | Dec 13 20:40 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: those areas are horrible. | Dec 13 20:40 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC[m]: on the bright side, dump is making mexico a nicer place to live in than usonia | Dec 13 20:40 |
| MinceR | the only way he knows how! | Dec 13 20:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR The new NAFTA actually does look a lot better for the US. | Dec 13 20:41 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: Australia visa rejection 15 min no judge. | Dec 13 20:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not that this was hard. | Dec 13 20:41 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: and possible not even allowed to say a single word in defense. | Dec 13 20:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We didn't really make many concessions. The deal made Mexico and Canada give up way more than they got | Dec 13 20:41 |
| oiaohm | So 2 mins with a judge is being quite nice. | Dec 13 20:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump did threaten to rip NAFTA up and walk away. | Dec 13 20:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which is exactly what I've always wanted. | Dec 13 20:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Overall I don't approve of him, but he did make NAFTA a little better. | Dec 13 20:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was a terrible deal that was intended to screw American workers hard. | Dec 13 20:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I saw an estimate that the new NAFTA will create 175,000 jobs in the US. The old one got rid of 3 million, so it's more correct to say the new one is less bad. | Dec 13 20:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The impeachment isn't to get Trump out of office. | Dec 13 20:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's to tie up the Senate so they spend a whole month next yesr not getting anything done. | Dec 13 20:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And then the Democrats can run against a president who was impeached. | Dec 13 20:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Aftwr impeachment, the House Democrats can pass USMCA and force the Senate to deliberate and vote on that. Which will eat up a few weeks even under fast track. | Dec 13 20:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they won't get a lot else done until March. | Dec 13 20:47 |
| oiaohm | So the usa impeachment is not like the Australian one that is basically instant out. | Dec 13 20:47 |
| oiaohm | Mind you Australian equal to impeachment against the government general is a double way splat. | Dec 13 20:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No, majority vote in the House impeaches the official. | Dec 13 20:48 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Then they go to trial in the Senate, where it takes a super majority 67/100 voting to convict. | Dec 13 20:48 |
| oiaohm | As in you get rid of the governer general and you also go straight to election because senate and house are also booted. | Dec 13 20:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So Trump will be the third president impeached but not removed. | Dec 13 20:48 |
| oiaohm | Ok your system lacks serous teeth. | Dec 13 20:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Other federal officials have been removed before. | Dec 13 20:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mostly judges. And each chamber of Congress can remove their own members as they see fit in their rules. | Dec 13 20:49 |
| MinceR | the less the state can do the better off everybody else is | Dec 13 20:50 |
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| oiaohm | Fun part in the Australian system is the governer general can nuke the house and senate on own as well at cost of his position. | Dec 13 20:50 |
| oiaohm | Basically things have to be bad for it to be used here. | Dec 13 20:51 |
| schestowitz | kaniini: pleroma srrves blank pages to older version of chromium, at least pleroma.site | Dec 13 20:54 |
| *schestowitz first noticed this 1-2 months ago | Dec 13 20:55 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I need to stop hitting the scroll up button in Riot. | Dec 13 20:55 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Check it for JS errors in devtools then. I think that would be a lot more concrete. | Dec 13 20:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Anyway, yeah, systemd is managing so many things now that it's impossible to figure out why odd behavior is going on in the operating system or what's even doing it. | Dec 13 20:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's got hundreds (I think) of binaries involved with it. | Dec 13 20:56 |
| MinceR | it's actually easy to figure it out | Dec 13 20:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And even the non-systemd distributions end up using parts of it anyway to get other programs to work. | Dec 13 20:57 |
| MinceR | 1. get rid of systemd | Dec 13 20:57 |
| MinceR | 2. try to reproduce issue | Dec 13 20:57 |
| MinceR | 3. if it's no longer there, systemd was the cause | Dec 13 20:57 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: no, you use it wrong!! | Dec 13 20:59 |
| schestowitz | I remember when LP blamed pulseaudio causing issues.... on packagers | Dec 13 20:59 |
| XRevan86 | 4. ignore the possibility that the issue could indeed be between the display and the chair %) | Dec 13 21:00 |
| schestowitz | I remember having to reboot maybe dozens of times per year due to pulseaudio stack getting ;jammed' a decade back | Dec 13 21:00 |
| XRevan86 | (or in a faulty .service file) | Dec 13 21:00 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: "You're holding it wrong" | Dec 13 21:00 |
| schestowitz | on one machine, unless last year, I had to kill pulseaudio occasionally and let it start itself again because it took 100% of the CPU nonstop | Dec 13 21:01 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: well, usually the cause of having systemd on the computer is between the display and the chair | Dec 13 21:01 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I tried system with a bumper | Dec 13 21:01 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 13 21:01 |
| MinceR | you should have used systemd-bumperd | Dec 13 21:01 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: All I can say to that is touché | Dec 13 21:01 |
| schestowitz | in diapora alejandro calls it systemdick | Dec 13 21:01 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 13 21:01 |
| MinceR | dicks are actually usable and have a well defined range of functionality | Dec 13 21:02 |
| schestowitz | but if gnu/linux will improve they'll credit systemd | Dec 13 21:02 |
| schestowitz | even for things that have nothing to do with it, like drivers elsewhere in the stack | Dec 13 21:02 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Even Dick Nixon? | Dec 13 21:02 |
| MinceR | well no, but he's dead already | Dec 13 21:03 |
| MinceR | and i suspect he was still more decent than his successors | Dec 13 21:03 |
| XRevan86 | ironic that | Dec 13 21:03 |
| schestowitz | https://nypost.com/2019/12/12/thousands-of-penis-fish-wash-onto-california-beach/ | Dec 13 21:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nypost.com | Thousands of 'penis fish' wash onto California beach, shocking locals | Dec 13 21:03 | |
| XRevan86 | "shocking locals" – what did they say? "well, I'd never!" ? | Dec 13 21:04 |
| MinceR | "don't tase me bro" | Dec 13 21:05 |
| schestowitz | don't taste, either | Dec 13 21:05 |
| schestowitz | anyway, that's today's news | Dec 13 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Rianne saw that earlier in the paper | Dec 13 21:06 |
| schestowitz | seems the reports about it are many | Dec 13 21:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | oiaohm: Impeachment is more political than a criminal proceeding. | Dec 13 21:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In a criminal proceeding, the prosecutor will use anything you've ever done that they know about against you. | Dec 13 21:07 |
| MinceR | because the laws don't apply to the president | Dec 13 21:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're trying to chip away at your credibility, so the first time you go into court they don't really have anything to tell the judge except why you're there that day. | Dec 13 21:08 |
| MinceR | which should tip people off that something heavily fucked up is going on, that they've been lied to about the functionality of the state | Dec 13 21:08 |
| MinceR | but people mostly don't care | Dec 13 21:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But as the list grows longer, yeah, they'll use all of it to make their case that you're just a no good pile of shit who has been there before and will probably be back. | Dec 13 21:08 |
| MinceR | and they get ruled over by an institution that should be serving them | Dec 13 21:08 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR What? Charging people with what actually might have happened, giving them a day in court, and only being allowed to tall about why we're in court now? | Dec 13 22:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Next you'll want a representative democracy! | Dec 13 22:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Where does it stop? | Dec 13 22:45 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 13 22:46 |
| XRevan86 | https://xkcd.com/2241 that explains it | Dec 13 22:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: Brussels Sprouts Mandela Effect | Dec 13 22:47 | |
| MinceR | :) | Dec 13 22:50 |
| XRevan86 | https://hsto.org/getpro/habr/post_images/dcc/b39/090/dccb3909011c91275dcbc3d6bdd9d938.jpg and a third one | Dec 13 23:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: By letting the state use character assassination instead of proving their case, it encourages weak cases based on "Look what happened 20 years ago." instead of why we're in court today. | Dec 13 23:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In 2012, when my cousin's husband was in court in Indiana, the prosecutor was allowed to bring up a marijuana possession charge from 1989. | Dec 13 23:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This is egregious. | Dec 13 23:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I haven't seen a judge _ever_ go "Hey, wait a minute...". | Dec 13 23:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If he had just gotten out of prison for a similar offense or something, maybe. Goes to behavior. | Dec 13 23:24 |
| XRevan86 | "and a third one" – from ReactOS this time | Dec 13 23:26 |
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