●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Sunday, December 13, 2020 ●● ● Dec 13 [00:28] schestowitz Ariadne: pleroma site and fr still not online, I hope the backup he said he had recovered are still workable [00:28] schestowitz can wait, just hope he didn't lose all the data. [00:38] Ariadne i'm putting together a 486 machine for playing simtower [00:41] schestowitz wow, nostalgia [00:41] MinceR :) [00:56] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [00:56] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [00:57] *jpli has quit (Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.) ● Dec 13 [01:00] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [01:01] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [01:23] *schestowitz has quit (Quit: Konversation term) [01:23] -NickServ-schestowitz!~schestowi@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com has just authenticated as you (schestowitz) [01:23] *schestowitz (~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrights ● Dec 13 [03:01] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [03:01] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [03:11] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [03:26] DaemonFC[m] Well, this Microsoft Edge on Chromium thing is the realization, sort of, of something I said about 20 years ago. [03:27] DaemonFC[m] I said if Microsoft can't do better than Internet Explorer, they should just use Mozilla because it's open source. [03:27] schestowitz they make proprietary [03:28] schestowitz on top of FakeFOSS(R) [03:28] search_social microsoft is indeed using mozilla [03:28] search_social in more ways than one [03:28] DaemonFC[m] The whole Edge thing is an admission that they had no pull anyway. They could implement anything they want in their browser, but with 4-5% they can't compel anyone to adopt it. [03:28] schestowitz many browsers are on 'phones' now [03:28] schestowitz so that's a lot of stuff out of their reach [03:28] DaemonFC[m] Instead of dicking around trying to adapt EdgeHTML to behave like Chromium, why not just fire a bunch of people and turn Edge into this Hannibal Lecter thing. Chromium with a different face. [03:29] DaemonFC[m] The funniest part was when Microsoft complained on a blog that Google was sabotaging them deliberately. [03:29] DaemonFC[m] Like, doing some sort of invisible overlay frame on Youtube videos so that Edge's hardware acceleration would misbehave. [03:30] DaemonFC[m] Google meant to cause them to do this. It can still implement anything it wants in Chromium and now Microsoft is just along for the ride. [03:31] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, except they do Edge on Android and iOS to sync with Edge on Windows. [03:31] DaemonFC[m] So they try to draw people to Edge by having a port to those platforms. [03:31] schestowitz who uses this? [03:31] schestowitz except you.. [03:31] DaemonFC[m] Fedora KDE developers. [03:32] DaemonFC[m] https://www.zdnet.com/article/goodbye-centos-hello-rocky-linux/ [03:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Goodbye CentOS, hello Rocky Linux | ZDNet [03:32] DaemonFC[m] 650 potential contributors. [03:32] DaemonFC[m] Oracle Linux might be freeware, but it has no community and it doesn't want one. [03:33] DaemonFC[m] So that announcement was ridiculous. [03:33] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: They sent me some Solaris stuff but never the Linux discs. [03:33] DaemonFC[m] I was running Solaris on some systems back when Sun was opening it up. [03:35] DaemonFC[m] Surprisingly, the installation and functionality of OpenSolaris on those systems was pretty good. [03:35] schestowitz [03:31] Fedora KDE developers. [03:35] schestowitz 'Developers' [03:35] DaemonFC[m] I've never actually gotten BSD to work properly on anything. [03:35] schestowitz the ones you mentioned don't seem to be developers [03:35] DaemonFC[m] You never know. The CEO uses a Mac. [03:36] DaemonFC[m] Hard pressure on employees to use Google stuff instead of the stuff that had been working just fine for years. [03:36] DaemonFC[m] When something is in "the cloud" and they shut it down or change it, you are screwed if it doesn't work the way you need it to anymore. [03:37] schestowitz the old CO [03:37] schestowitz CEO [03:37] schestowitz the new one is likely on GNU/Linux [03:37] schestowitz Paul [03:37] DaemonFC[m] Things took a bad turn at Red Hat when they brought in a CEO that had no FOSS background at all. [03:37] DaemonFC[m] Former airline executive. [03:38] DaemonFC[m] It started a comedy of errors that peaked with them being scrapped for parts for IBM. [03:39] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Intel has been rapidly updating their graphics drivers. [03:39] DaemonFC[m] I had Windows 10 hard freeze on me during Fallout New Vegas. [03:39] Ariadne https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/pp/B07Q4Q8KV5?qid=1607830645296&sr=0-1&ref_=srh_res_product_title [03:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-aws.amazon.com | AWS Marketplace: Alpine Linux with Docker [03:39] Ariadne welcome to the next level of FOSS grift [03:39] DaemonFC[m] There's a lot of conflicts with this program even though it was built for Windows and they'll still sell you a copy. [03:39] DaemonFC[m] No interest in going back and fixing things I guess. [03:40] search_social Ariadne: why is it grift to offer a linux image when selling a cloud instance [03:41] Ariadne that person is selling something that is being given away for free [03:41] Ariadne there is no such thing as an alpine license [03:41] DaemonFC[m] They dumbed down Fallout 4 a lot. [03:42] DaemonFC[m] They farmed out New Vegas to Obsidian. [03:42] Ariadne if they were burning alpine ISOs to a CD and shipping it out that's one thing [03:42] search_social they aren't selling alpine they are selling a cloud instance [03:42] search_social and offering to install alpine on it for you [03:42] Ariadne amazon is selling the instance [03:43] Ariadne there are official alpine images for amazon instances that are free [03:43] Ariadne you're paying $0.50/hr+ to use this alpine image vs the official one which is $0/hr [03:43] Ariadne that is why it's grify [03:43] Ariadne grift* [03:44] Ariadne he is taking advantage of people who don't know better [03:46] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [03:53] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [03:54] search_social well [03:54] search_social at least he's an indepent guy [03:55] search_social and not amazon itself ● Dec 13 [04:12] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [04:12] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [04:24] *kupi has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) [04:29] DaemonFC[m] I get why people would do "cloud" server stuff. [04:29] DaemonFC[m] But an office program? Come on. [04:29] DaemonFC[m] Compressed on the disk, LibreOffice only uses a couple hundred MB. [04:32] DaemonFC[m] I think people miss the point in their reviews of Fallout games. [04:32] DaemonFC[m] They complained that there aren't enough monsters in New Vegas out in the wastelands. [04:32] DaemonFC[m] That's not the main point. [04:32] DaemonFC[m] It's not a run and gun shooter, it's an RPG. [04:33] DaemonFC[m] There's an easy and very easy mode, but even on normal it's not a difficult game. [04:36] DaemonFC[m] These wireless mice are all pretty janky, I think. [04:36] DaemonFC[m] They go into some sort of power management mode to get long battery life and there's a delay in moving the mouse and having the pointer respond if you haven't been using it for a few seconds. [04:37] DaemonFC[m] The Logitech one I was using before was worse because the power management in the OS would try to power down the USB port and then the mouse wouldn't respond at all until the computer woke up the port the next time. [04:39] search_social ha ha [04:40] search_social i wonder if they can just keylog the wireless keyboard [04:41] DaemonFC[m] I just didn't want to tie up a USB port. ● Dec 13 [05:07] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [05:09] Ariadne schestowitz: https://gizmodo.com/u-s-schools-are-buying-phone-hacking-tech-that-the-fbi-1845862393?scrolla=5eb6d68b7fedc32c19ef33b4 [05:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gizmodo.com | U.S. Schools Are Buying Cellebrite Phone-Hacking Tech [05:16] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [05:41] scientes Ariadne, what do you expect in the land of the free? [05:42] scientes That is the price of freedom, of course. [05:44] scientes How would the US have freedom if it didn't buy it from China? Are you stupid? ● Dec 13 [06:02] search_social eh this might be a good development [06:02] search_social teaches kids the improtance of device security [06:55] schestowitz Ariadne: the GPL allows the selling of it, but legality and morality are different things ● Dec 13 [07:02] Ariadne schestowitz: yes, but alpine is trademarked and you're not allowed to just use our trademarks like that [07:03] *schestowitz did not open the above link, bad domain [07:04] Ariadne anyway, i've pinged some AWS people [07:05] Ariadne if they don't take it down, i'll just hand it over to alpine legal [07:05] Ariadne but that person is making money by selling an outdated alpine image with security holes and not even offering support for it [07:05] schestowitz they're not so responsive http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2015/06/28/aws-ddos/ [07:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Amazon AWS Used for DDOS Attacks Against My Web Sites, Amazon Takes 14 Hours to Reply But Not Take Action (Updatedx5) [07:06] Ariadne yes, i suspect they will be more responsive when they hear from our lawyers [07:06] Ariadne (: [07:12] search_social wouldn't preventing their instances from being used for ddos be like the first thing they coded automatic protection for [07:23] CrystalMath Ariadne: wait, i don't get it [07:24] CrystalMath Ariadne: you're blaming amazon for charging for the use of their server? [07:24] schestowitz BTW, Ariadne, I've message href directly a few hours ago in IRC [07:24] schestowitz *messaged [07:24] CrystalMath they're selling the instance - of course, it's time on their machine they're selling, not the software [07:25] schestowitz Bad reviews [07:25] schestowitz 2/5 [07:25] schestowitz So not very good support, either, I guess [07:25] schestowitz They even use the Alpine logo [07:25] schestowitz which raises more issues [07:25] CrystalMath umm, if you can't sell Alpine Linux as it is, it's not free software [07:26] schestowitz "Alpine Linux with Docker" is not "Instance with Alpine Linux and Docker preloaded" [07:26] CrystalMath i understand the protection of a trademark in the case of modification [07:26] CrystalMath but verbatim resale? [07:26] CrystalMath what? do i owe samsung if i want to sell a samsung TV? [07:26] CrystalMath bullcrap [07:26] schestowitz libreoffice had it done to them in 'Windows Store' IIRC [07:27] CrystalMath i mean, it's totally okay to sell Alpine Linux [07:27] *birkoff has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [07:27] schestowitz and there was another major project which it was done for, can't recall which one now [07:27] CrystalMath as it is, verbatim [07:27] CrystalMath why not? [07:27] CrystalMath it's totally okay to sell Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, etc.. [07:28] CrystalMath Richard Stallman even says we should use every opportunity, because getting free software out there is something good [07:28] schestowitz I forgot who this was done to after libreoffice, maybe krita? [07:28] schestowitz Oh, notice how WSL vanished [07:29] schestowitz nobody has mentioned it in over a month [07:29] schestowitz when they don't pay for fluff and 'prepared' piece, it barely exists [07:29] schestowitz they blew millions on "marketing" [07:31] *schestowitz should really remember who this was done to after libreoffice because techrights covered it [07:32] CrystalMath i don't see any problem with selling free software [07:32] schestowitz https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/seller-profile?id=cb7c530c-e0a9-416f-8252-4e25b58ca513&ref=dtl_B07Q4Q8KV5 [07:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-aws.amazon.com | AWS Marketplace: okindev [07:32] schestowitz "Grafana Alpine Container" [07:32] CrystalMath if it shouldn't be sold, someone will undercut it with a free copy [07:32] schestowitz That's a better description [07:33] schestowitz and the logo [07:34] CrystalMath i would defend the Alpine seller, they did nothing wrong [07:36] CrystalMath i hope they don't give in to Alpine's bullying, either [07:37] CrystalMath furthermore, Linux is a trademark as well [07:37] CrystalMath if there's anyone who has been worthless here, it's the Alpine development team [07:38] CrystalMath they don't do any of the real work, the projects they package do the real work [07:38] CrystalMath all they are is a package list [07:42] *birkoff (birkoff@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-lzmqqfrzzhcqvlzu) has joined #techrights [07:47] CrystalMath schestowitz: remember that defending free software means defending the right to sell it [07:48] CrystalMath https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.en.html [07:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnu.org | Selling Free Software - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation [07:50] CrystalMath it's not in ANY shape or form "grift" or "unethical" [07:50] CrystalMath controlling who can sell your software is unethical! [07:59] Ariadne CrystalMath: the grift is that this person is representing their software as the official alpine AMIs [07:59] Ariadne CrystalMath: you are paying him $2500 yearly for an outdated image with security holes and zero support [07:59] Ariadne CrystalMath: i have no objection to people selling alpine, as long as they are doing so in an honest way ● Dec 13 [08:00] Ariadne this however is just a scam [08:01] CrystalMath i can sell firefox for $1,000,000 [08:01] CrystalMath even 4.0 [08:01] CrystalMath even 1.0 [08:01] Ariadne yes, and if you do so without describing your relationship with firefox, mozilla will sue you [08:01] CrystalMath on what basis? [08:01] CrystalMath i'm not selling my own product [08:02] CrystalMath i'm selling the verbatim firefox, as it is [08:02] Ariadne on the basis that you're using their trademarks in an unauthorized way [08:02] CrystalMath how so? it is the real firefox [08:02] Ariadne it is, but it is a no longer supported firefox version [08:02] Ariadne something their trademark policy explicitly disallows [08:02] CrystalMath so what? you're trying to say i can't distribute 4.0? [08:03] CrystalMath i see no mention of versions in their trademark policy [08:03] Ariadne ok, try it and see what happens to you [08:04] CrystalMath i'm quite sure i have, not sold, but distributed [08:04] CrystalMath and i'm quite sure those uploads are still up [08:04] Ariadne and, finally, the majority of the alpine base system outside of the linux kernel is directly maintained by alpine contributors [08:04] CrystalMath i'm quite sure people sell debian 6 [08:04] Ariadne so really you haven't any idea what you're talking about [08:05] CrystalMath oh wait... debian 6 has a rebranded firefox [08:05] CrystalMath but... [08:05] Ariadne yes [08:05] CrystalMath debian 9 for example [08:05] Ariadne because you're not allowed to just do whatever you want [08:05] CrystalMath it contains mozilla firefox [08:05] Ariadne yes [08:05] CrystalMath debian was modifying firefox [08:05] Ariadne because debian made a special agreement [08:05] Ariadne to backport security updates [08:05] Ariadne so even on debian stable [08:05] CrystalMath actually no, debian stable uses ESR [08:05] CrystalMath it does not modify it [08:05] Ariadne you get security updates [08:06] CrystalMath there's no modifications done to it [08:06] Ariadne yes, and it is updated [08:06] CrystalMath sure [08:06] Ariadne per mozilla requirements [08:06] CrystalMath but it is the real firefox [08:06] CrystalMath and you can sell it [08:06] CrystalMath as a part of debian [08:06] Ariadne knock yourself out then [08:06] CrystalMath even though it's not necessarily the latest version [08:06] CrystalMath a debian CD pretty much won't have the latest version [08:06] Ariadne cool [08:07] Ariadne anyway, i have no objection to people selling alpine CDs [08:08] Ariadne what i have objection to is people selling alpine images as a subscription and telling people that this is an official alpine thing they are buying [08:08] Ariadne this is called a "scam" [08:08] Ariadne if i buy an alpine CD from some linux CD vendor, i understand that i am buying a burned CD from some vendor [08:09] CrystalMath it is not the real, official alpine linux? [08:09] Ariadne no [08:09] Ariadne it is not [08:09] CrystalMath so it's modified? [08:09] Ariadne correct [08:09] CrystalMath hmm [08:09] CrystalMath okay, they should change the name then [08:09] Ariadne it is also outdated and contains numerous CVEs [08:09] Ariadne ye [08:09] CrystalMath that doesn't matter [08:09] Ariadne s [08:09] Ariadne i don't care if the person does this, as long as he makes it clear this is not an official alpine image [08:09] CrystalMath i can take alpine linux, name it crapine linux and introduce 1000 more bugs [08:10] CrystalMath as long as i change every instance of alpine to crapine [08:10] CrystalMath :P [08:10] Ariadne correct [08:10] Ariadne however you don't even have to do that [08:10] CrystalMath it would also be hilarious [08:10] Ariadne you just have to not represent it as an official alpine image [08:11] Ariadne "Joe Bloggs' Alpine Image That Costs $2500 Per Year For No Fucking Reason" is fine with me [08:11] CrystalMath well the same seller on AWS [08:11] CrystalMath sells a Grafana Alpine Image [08:11] Ariadne yes [08:11] Ariadne that is fine [08:11] CrystalMath and the one above has no price [08:11] CrystalMath attached to it [08:11] Ariadne that one is $5/month and comes with support [08:11] CrystalMath at least in my 90s browser it doesn't appear to have one [08:11] Ariadne there's some other alpine-based containers [08:12] Ariadne in this case, what they are selling is a clearly modified image [08:12] Ariadne the first image claims to be alpine, and ships with Docker Enterprise EULA [08:12] Ariadne and is modified [08:13] Ariadne that image is not stock alpine, and is not docker enterprise [08:13] Ariadne however it is intended to mislead the user into thinking what you get is docker enterprise installed into alpine [08:14] Ariadne admittedly i do not work for mirantis, but if i were to gather, this individual is not authorized to resell docker enterprise anyway [08:14] Ariadne so basically, that image is described as a bundle-o-warez that you can buy for $2500 yearly [08:15] schestowitz the branding is the issue here [08:15] schestowitz afaict [08:15] Ariadne correct [08:15] schestowitz because it'll tarnisdh your names [08:15] schestowitz fireeye will get fire in the eyes [08:15] Ariadne like i said, he can do whatever he wants [08:15] Ariadne as for fireeye, fuck em :D [08:15] schestowitz and then you have to explain to media that DB thing is years out of date [08:16] schestowitz and not even the fault of alpine but some dodgy person using the brand or misusing it [08:16] schestowitz like a clone site called "techrights" saying Michelle Obama is a dude [08:16] Ariadne (docker enterprise itself is a customized version of alpine) [08:16] Ariadne you literally download ISO and install [08:17] Ariadne though mirantis' alpine enterprise linux offerings are bizzare [08:17] Ariadne there's like 5 different products you can buy from them [08:17] Ariadne similarly where i work produces an paid derivative of alpine (again, with a support contract) [08:18] schestowitz same name? [08:18] schestowitz probably marketed as "alpine by x" [08:19] CrystalMath Crapine will cost $1,000,000/yr, but as i'm unable to organize a way to pay me, i'll ask my users to forward the money to the charity they HATE the most [08:20] CrystalMath i shuold even create a safety database, where the lack of vulnerabilities can be reported [08:20] CrystalMath and then patched to introduce a vulnerability [08:21] CrystalMath also, a feature tracker, to get rid of those pesky features, and request new bugs [08:22] CrystalMath it'd basically just be an art project about hating alpine linux [08:23] Ariadne schestowitz: no. our version is called NSL (Network Services Linux) [08:23] schestowitz similar to an army distro [08:23] Ariadne it targets: switches, routers, firewalls, 4G/5G base stations, etc [08:23] schestowitz whole name I forgot [08:24] CrystalMath "Crapine Linux aims to be the worst linux distribution ever! This is why we've chosen Alpine Linux as our base." [08:24] schestowitz three-letter with an N and L (Linux) [08:24] Ariadne CrystalMath: cool, knock yourself out [08:24] CrystalMath Ariadne: nah, i'll forget all about it tomorrow [08:24] CrystalMath i remember alpine froze up on me in a VM many years ago [08:25] CrystalMath i think it was because of that grsecurity crap [08:25] CrystalMath and i've hated it ever since [08:25] Ariadne grsecurity is gone [08:25] Ariadne brad spengler made sure of that [08:25] Ariadne (: [08:26] CrystalMath i see [08:27] CrystalMath maybe now it's more like the other distros [08:34] Ariadne no, theres quite a bit different [08:34] Ariadne as i said, we maintain our own userspace [08:34] Ariadne it is not gnu/linux [08:39] CrystalMath hmm [08:39] CrystalMath i meant in terms of stability [08:39] CrystalMath because it used to crash quite a bit in 2015 [08:39] CrystalMath or was it 2016? [08:39] CrystalMath no [08:39] CrystalMath anyway, need to sleep [08:39] CrystalMath i'm really sleepy [08:51] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: May we live long and die out | http://vhemt.org/) ● Dec 13 [09:10] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [09:10] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [09:11] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [09:11] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [09:12] search_social In the embodiment of FIG. 8, the instructions are Throw the pickle to speed up commercial. The user, which is holding a one-handed controller with motion detection, swings his arm to simulate the act of throwing a pickle. As a result, the flying interactive pickle is placed in the burger, and the commercial message Make it your way is displayed briefly before the commercial ends and [09:13] search_social the user returns to watching the streaming media. [09:13] search_social https://www.fastcompany.com/90185994/sony-files-patent-to-make-tv-ads-into-video-games [09:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fastcompany.com | Sony Files Patent To Make TV Ads Into Video Games [09:13] search_social https://0x0.st/iF8O.png [09:13] schestowitz people have TVs? [09:13] schestowitz maybe this is the final blow to TVs [09:15] search_social they already make you click to make ads go away [09:15] schestowitz yes [09:15] schestowitz I was about to say this [09:15] search_social they can start making you have to click in certain pattersn [09:15] schestowitz "or you could lazy and just listen to a little more brainwash" [09:16] schestowitz if you mute ads, that already goes a long way as you can also look away [09:16] schestowitz search_social: don't give them ideas! [09:16] schestowitz "press all the mcdonalds" to skil ads [09:16] schestowitz *skip [09:16] search_social i actually already do that for fun [09:16] search_social in cookie clicker [09:16] schestowitz CAPTCHADS [09:16] search_social xdotool and autohotkey [09:17] schestowitz if you can predict location of button [09:17] schestowitz relative to window or screen frame [09:17] schestowitz we use indivious [09:18] schestowitz no ads [09:18] schestowitz no spying either afaict [09:23] search_social well we did it with a pixel [09:23] search_social the power bar was a certain color and floated up and down [09:23] search_social so the .ahk script would wait for the right pixel at the top of the bar [09:51] schestowitz i had to look up autohotkey [09:51] schestowitz it's windows trash [09:51] schestowitz gpl/c++ [09:51] schestowitz but wrong platform [09:51] search_social i was careful to mention xdotool as well [09:51] schestowitz xdotool is very powerful [09:52] schestowitz and you can combine and pipe it with other programs [09:52] schestowitz here is how I maintain http://schestowitz.com/2020/12/13/ [09:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [09:52] search_social i'm trying to get a matrix/discord bridge so i can mount invasions of my discord servers with my matrix friends [09:52] search_social i think it will be easier to persuade them to switch if i come with a group [09:53] schestowitz xinput disable 10 [09:53] schestowitz xdotool mousemove 1910 1050 [09:53] schestowitz xdotool key --delay 1 ctrl+v [09:53] schestowitz # xdotool click 2 [09:53] schestowitz # sleep 0.4 [09:53] schestowitz xdotool key --delay 1 type "
" [09:53] schestowitz xdotool key --delay 1 Tab Tab Tab KP_Enter Tab KP_Enter Tab KP_Enter [09:53] schestowitz xdotool key --delay 1 type "
  • " [09:53] schestowitz xdotool key --delay 1 KP_Enter Tab KP_Enter Tab KP_Enter [09:53] schestowitz xdotool key --delay 1 ctrl+s [09:54] schestowitz xinput disable 10 [09:54] schestowitz I also added some loops and conditional statements for edge cases [09:54] schestowitz it freezes the external mouse while it does all that, avoiding conflicts [09:54] search_social yeah it's cool [09:55] schestowitz it could be optimised by chaining [09:55] search_social i used it to re-roll for luck in heart of galaxy [09:55] schestowitz and you use xbindkeys to bind that to a gaming mouse's special button [09:55] schestowitz skipping ads is one click only [09:56] schestowitz so it looks like an overkill using xdotool for just that [09:58] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [09:59] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) ● Dec 13 [10:00] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [10:00] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [10:04] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [10:04] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [10:10] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [10:10] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [10:15] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [10:16] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [10:34] schestowitz LOL https://centos.rip [10:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-centos.rip | The RHEL Project ● Dec 13 [11:18] schestowitz Ariadne: href says the site will come back next week [11:18] schestowitz I mean, this week [11:18] schestowitz after the weekend [11:20] *mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrights [11:24] *xvx has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [11:40] schestowitz https://text.npr.org/381443930 [11:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.npr.org | Marketplace Tech : NPR ● Dec 13 [12:06] *vZS1_2 (~vZS1_2@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [12:10] *aindilis has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [12:12] vZS1_2 schestowitz: the "Find the *plain text* version at _this address_" in the IRC HTML log isn't a valid IPFS path [12:12] schestowitz IPFS? [12:12] schestowitz it's http, no? [12:13] vZS1_2 For example: "https://ipfs.io/ipfs/irc-log-121220.txt" is not going to work [12:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 400 @ https://ipfs.io/ipfs/irc-log-121220.txt ) [12:13] schestowitz should I also add a link for ipfs? [12:13] vZS1_2 s/irc-log-121220.txt/CID/ [12:13] schestowitz it would not be simple I must warn [12:13] schestowitz as it's generated in different machines [12:13] vZS1_2 If you click on the link, you'll see what I mean [12:13] vZS1_2 It's not a valid ipfs path [12:14] schestowitz my guess is: [12:14] schestowitz you open the text version [12:14] schestowitz as ipfs cid [12:14] schestowitz not as the copy on the site [12:14] schestowitz and then the relative link is bad [12:14] schestowitz so maybe we need absolute link with base domain [12:14] schestowitz is that what you suggest? [12:14] vZS1_2 I haven't really thought it through. I'm just pointing out the link is broken [12:17] vZS1_2 Also, something doesn't look right from yesterday's IRC logs [12:17] vZS1_2 All I see are your messages [12:17] vZS1_2 maybe I'm looking at the wrong file [12:18] vZS1_2 Ah okay. I was looking at the wrong log fil [12:18] vZS1_2 file* [12:18] schestowitz When Catalin Cimpanu says "Only PostgreSQL databases running on Linux servers have been attacked so far" he's trying to attribute to "Linux" an issue that doesn't have anything to do with Linux or even "PostgreSQL" but incompetent systems administrators. [12:18] schestowitz https://www.zdnet.com/article/pgminer-botnet-attacks-weakly-secured-postgresql-databases/ [12:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-PgMiner botnet attacks weakly secured PostgreSQL databases | ZDNet [12:18] schestowitz WTH? [12:19] schestowitz holy FUD, batman [12:19] schestowitz vZS1_2: I can still 'fix' the text log link [12:19] schestowitz by making it link not in relative form [12:19] schestowitz but absolute with url trail and domain included [12:20] schestowitz I don't know how various people utilise ipfs [12:20] schestowitz so maybe an oversight from me, failing to grasp the failings [12:20] schestowitz one thing I noticed was, ipfs gateways would not render css configs for html logs [12:20] schestowitz the reason being, they insist strongly on httpd [12:20] schestowitz *https [12:21] vZS1_2 I don't really use the gateways. I stay on the CLI. [12:21] vZS1_2 with a real client [12:21] vZS1_2 so I don't know what they're up to with the gateways [12:21] vZS1_2 But I just wanted to check the state of things from the browser today, and I noticed that broken link. [12:23] vZS1_2 I wouldn't really worry about it too much now but worth just keeping track of it in a list somewhere. [12:30] vZS1_2 "When you do that, you start figuring out ways it could happen and then it starts depressing you, and you start sabotaging yourself." [12:30] vZS1_2 DaemonFC[m] incredibly effective and a strategy deployed to stop good projects from starting as well. [12:31] schestowitz we changed domain name more than 10 years ago [12:31] schestowitz that's why I prefer relative paths these days [12:31] schestowitz also gets rid of the "change http to https" tasks [12:32] schestowitz vZS1_2: the strategy was used to knife the baby gnu [12:32] schestowitz zoobab would know, Team UPC uses the same tactics [12:32] schestowitz and it's really getting to him [12:32] vZS1_2 I think it's manageable to change schemes, as long as you automate the entire thing from the outset. And use the DRY principle. [12:32] vZS1_2 You can then just change the scheme at top-level because of the variables being using. Stays dynamic that way. [12:33] schestowitz zoobab: Parroting self-serving lies from the EPO to support the fiction that the UPC is coming https://www.mondaq.com/uk/patent/1013554/upc-progress-on-german-ratification [12:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | UPC Progress On German Ratification - Intellectual Property - UK [12:33] schestowitz this is the latest example [12:33] schestowitz vZS1_2: today I saw something in raku I did not like [12:33] vZS1_2 What happened? [12:33] schestowitz https://raku-advent.blog/2020/12/13/day-13-helping-the-github-action-elves/ [12:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-raku-advent.blog | Day 13 Helping the Github Action elves Raku Advent Calendar [12:33] schestowitz No, there is nothing "great" about helping to reinforce Microsoft monopoly and an attack on Free software [12:33] schestowitz I know it's not an official blog or anything [12:34] schestowitz but planet raku had it [12:34] schestowitz they give "mindshare" to the monopoly [12:34] schestowitz I think it's wise to speak to these devs [12:34] vZS1_2 There are GAFAM moles in Raku. [12:34] schestowitz and explain to them the consequence of such posts [12:34] vZS1_2 So it doesn't surprise me [12:34] schestowitz they weaken the projectss autonomy [12:34] vZS1_2 I said this before, you can check the logs. Whether they listen is up to them. Not my project. [12:35] schestowitz [12:34] There are GAFAM moles in Raku. [12:35] vZS1_2 Using the IRC nick vZS1 [12:35] schestowitz They are there for "Safety" [12:35] schestowitz They will protect us from "Zealots" [12:35] schestowitz who say GAFAM is bad [12:35] schestowitz and who use words like "silly" [12:35] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/09/29/lame-words/ [12:35] vZS1_2 They can stick it where the sun don't shine. [12:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Its Crazy Not to Eliminate Lame Words That Might Offend Somebody | Techrights [12:35] schestowitz "silly" is a bad word now [12:35] schestowitz "crazy" also [12:36] schestowitz "insane" [12:36] schestowitz so I assume "not sane" as well [12:36] schestowitz "sanity check" is a bad term [12:36] schestowitz can't say that [12:36] schestowitz "not fantastically brilliant"! hERE WE GO! [12:37] schestowitz my code is not fantastically brilliant [12:37] schestowitz I work on code improvements (bug fixes) [12:38] schestowitz otherwise the program might not stay absolutely happily stable (i.e. "crash") [12:38] vZS1_2 bug fix := feature request [12:38] vZS1_2 That's one ShitLab loves to use [12:38] schestowitz you cannot insult bugs [12:38] schestowitz they have feelings too [12:38] schestowitz and the people who code with bugs... they might kill themselves [12:39] schestowitz because of your 'selfish' so-called "bug report" [12:39] schestowitz "safety first, ma mate!" [12:39] schestowitz "Did'ja... solve... I mean, implement... the bu... feature request?" [12:40] schestowitz Do the same in politics [12:40] vZS1_2 Perl used to be an example of autonomy. [12:40] schestowitz Boris is sub-optimal Pry Minister [12:40] schestowitz My taxes are insufficiently not high [12:40] vZS1_2 Perl hackers pretty much all ran their own servers [12:41] vZS1_2 It's a shame what's becoming of them [12:41] schestowitz maybe by design [12:41] schestowitz the guiding hands [12:41] schestowitz of selfish monopolies and their $150,000/annum moles [12:41] schestowitz they always know better because they're paid more [12:41] schestowitz they also always sponsor all the biggest events [12:41] schestowitz with diamonds, silver, gold levels [12:42] schestowitz not like us "neckbeard" plebs [12:42] schestowitz all we get is a name badge [12:42] schestowitz I boycott all those events [12:42] schestowitz they're a discrimination opportunity [12:42] vZS1_2 They're sabotaging their own project. By deskilling their recruits. So they will reap what they sow. [12:42] schestowitz because the rich dominate them, by design [12:42] schestowitz choosing some very expensive hotel [12:43] schestowitz LF is their middleman [12:43] schestowitz separating projects from their communities [12:43] schestowitz so that the podium is reserved for corporate "professional" voices [12:43] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2019/11/10/cancel-the-linux-foundation/ [12:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Foundation Brought as Keynote Speakers People Vastly Worse Than Those Whom It Now Cancels for Purely Political Reasons | Techrights [12:43] schestowitz in techrights we've always been sceptical of such influences [12:44] schestowitz like mjg59 coming here, after working for dodgy interests (track record of sabotage) and now GAFAM [12:44] schestowitz They're coming "in peace" or "to help" where "help" can mean "let's cancel this toxic person" [12:44] schestowitz and then the community gets the message and starts walking away [12:44] schestowitz they don't even need to necessarily take over the project [12:44] schestowitz they might just sabotage it, then walk away [12:45] schestowitz he did this to Linux, but that never worked http://techrights.org/2015/10/07/forking-with-hypocrisy/ [12:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Hypocrite Forks the Linux Kernel Because of Cultural Characteristics That He Himself is Guilty of | Techrights [12:45] schestowitz he and Sharp had several goes at it over the years [12:45] schestowitz trying to oust the project's founder [12:45] vZS1_2 Forking is taboo to GAFAM [12:45] schestowitz which only pissed him off even more [12:45] vZS1_2 Anyway. Got stuff to do [12:45] schestowitz last month SFC, after taking Google and MSFT money, hired Sharp [12:46] schestowitz not for anything technical [12:46] schestowitz just a "cancel culture" role [12:46] schestowitz weeding out community [12:46] schestowitz before you go.. [12:46] schestowitz https://centos.rip [12:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-centos.rip | The RHEL Project [12:47] vZS1_2 Gold. lol [12:47] vZS1_2 Will share ● Dec 13 [13:18] *chris_uk[m] has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [13:18] *Ariadne has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [13:18] *Ariadne_ (~ariadne@2602:fd37:1::86) has joined #techrights [13:20] MinceR (cat) https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/25/9409da0c35d33f7e.jpg [13:20] *chris_uk[m] (chrisukmat@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-dxdlvkrntyiskipr) has joined #techrights [13:28] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [13:28] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [13:58] *Ariadne_ is now known as Ariadne [13:58] vZS1_2 Got to put some stuff in vcs today for one of the servers. 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I volunteered for the test phase of [16:48] schestowitz > COVID-19 vaccine from Pfizer. The vaccine is the one that has been [16:48] schestowitz > developed in Russia. **It is given in 6 different stages.* [16:49] schestowitz > * [16:49] schestowitz > * [16:49] schestowitz > * I received my first dose at** 6:20 AM yesterday and I just wanted to [16:49] schestowitz > let you all know that it is safe and Im ok, with o side effects [16:49] schestowitz > whatsoeve, and that I feelsh , [16:49] schestowitz > 0yvey . . * [16:49] schestowitz > * [16:49] schestowitz > * [16:49] schestowitz > *Comrade Harv* [16:49] XRevan86 Old joke. [16:50] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/20080516 [16:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4803267) [16:54] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [16:55] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) ● Dec 13 [17:04] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [17:09] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [17:20] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/2008055 [17:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4803135) [17:21] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [17:21] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [17:33] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [17:34] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [17:35] vZS1 Got every single config on all my servers in VCS now. [17:35] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [17:35] vZS1 This feels good. [17:36] MinceR that's what she said. [17:36] vZS1 Badumtss [17:37] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [17:37] MinceR https://i.imgur.com/YTGcqGh.jpg [17:39] vZS1 Xmas and boxing day casualties coming soon. [17:39] vZS1 Christ [17:39] vZS1 What drives people to stampede [17:39] MinceR why aren't people more effective at it [17:39] MinceR there's almost 8 billion humans on this planet and they won't stop breeding [17:48] schestowitz us maybe [17:48] schestowitz not everyone [17:48] schestowitz the religion says few children implies infertility ● Dec 13 [18:10] DaemonFC[m] I've never seen anything so unprofessional in my life as Windows 10 Professional. [18:10] DaemonFC[m] It has the same constant bombardment of ads and the same privacy problems as Windows 10 Home. [18:10] DaemonFC[m] And the same useless bloatware freemium games. [18:11] DaemonFC[m] People get rid of them and apparently Microsoft installs more. [18:11] DaemonFC[m] You'd figure that paying more for this SKU would mean that at least some of this crap is off by default [18:13] DaemonFC[m] Having children is mostly a vanity project that's good for government that mortgages them for more loans and big business that wants to sell more products. [18:13] DaemonFC[m] Human life is a cheap commodity in Capitalism, and the religions that are in bed with it tell people that life is sacred and don't wear a condom because it's a corrupt bargain. [18:14] DaemonFC[m] If you don't wear condoms there's more dues paying members of religion, more taxpayers to mortgage, more products being sold, more work being extracted from people in exchange for just barely paying rent, etc. [18:14] DaemonFC[m] And more people who need pharmaceuticals because they contracted a disease. [18:14] schestowitz 144 dead https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274 [18:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Covid-19 in the UK: How many coronavirus cases are there in your area? - BBC News [18:15] schestowitz US 2300 again [18:15] DaemonFC[m] Sometimes for life. Good business. The HIV dollar. A very strong dollar [18:16] DaemonFC[m] Depending on how much labor there is and how many people there are to do it, sometimes they let you have just enough joy in your own life not to kill yourself [18:16] DaemonFC[m] In some cases, not even that. Apple suppliers and suicide nets. [18:18] DaemonFC[m] Some Asian people throwing themselves off buildings to escape building overpriced junk so that other Asians, like Maricel can live "the real life". [18:19] DaemonFC[m] She's livin' la vida loca and all that. [18:20] DaemonFC[m] The real life. Major lawsuits from all your creditors that you can only pay enough to settle the case because you come home with shopping bags every day from the mall. [18:22] DaemonFC[m] I won't go into too much detail but what they did to Mandy was despicable. [18:22] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [18:22] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [18:23] DaemonFC[m] Never underestimate what money will do to some people, and what some people will do over money. [18:24] DaemonFC[m] It would be easier for these fuckheads to just sit down and read a book and drive a used car to work and answer their emails (which is half of her job) on a PC. [18:24] DaemonFC[m] But they strut around like peacocks trying to impress people who don't even care. [18:25] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: More life means life gets devalued. [18:25] DaemonFC[m] It doesn't increase the value of life to have more life. It's just another part of the crock of shit and lies that we call religion when they say more is better. [18:25] DaemonFC[m] At some point you have thousands of people in your country dying every day and people want to open up so they can go to Applebee's. [18:27] DaemonFC[m] Also, because of being forced to go to church every Sunday (even while dad stayed home except on Easter and Christmas, and mom went off and openly had a licentious affair with a truck driver she knew in High School), I was left to come to my own decisions about religion in a very confused way. [18:28] DaemonFC[m] Because I had no good examples. People in the church cheating on their spouses. Attendance doubling on holidays. Gossip all the time. It just didn't seem like a very moral place. [18:28] DaemonFC[m] And then these same assholes sit in judgment and make you feel guilty about being gay. [18:29] DaemonFC[m] They're just utterly shameless, but we have to stop the train because of me. [18:29] DaemonFC[m] So I was already not impressed before sneaking onto the internet when I was a teenager and being exposed to significantly different views. [18:30] DaemonFC[m] They were handing out free dial up ISP software in the 90s during the dotcom bubble. It was supposed to open up an ad bar when you were online and allegedly that would pay for it, but they were paying several dollars per month per user and making less than a tenth of that on ads. [18:31] DaemonFC[m] So it didn't last very long, but it was long enough for my dad to quietly come in the house one day and sneak up on me and go "What in the hell are you doing! My phone bill better not go up because of this!". [18:32] DaemonFC[m] (It was a local number. They didn't charge for those. It was basically a really long local phone call.) [18:32] DaemonFC[m] For being an engineer who went to college, he gets a lot of crazy ideas and you can't really talk him out of it. When he realizes he was wrong, he doesn't apologize. [18:33] DaemonFC[m] But, you know, by that point I had been secretly browsing around the internet going "Hmm, yeah, okay....". [18:34] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: We could have 3,000+ dead every day for another year and the open up people would still be shouting that they want to go to Applebee's. [18:34] DaemonFC[m] Threatening to burn down the government and secede from the union so they don't have to wear a mask at the grocery store. [18:34] DaemonFC[m] Trump won the election, you know.... [18:35] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Also, pretty much everyone at my grandmother's nursing home has COVID right now. [18:35] DaemonFC[m] 90% of the residents and over half the staff. [18:36] DaemonFC[m] It's a disaster. It's like that in almost every nursing home in Indiana. [18:36] DaemonFC[m] I told mom, "I don't suppose she's going to shut up and stay in her room.". [18:36] DaemonFC[m] She said, "Nope, Amber told me she still does whatever she wants.". [18:37] *xvx (~xvx@185.48.63.105) has joined #techrights [18:39] MinceR 13 191008 < DaemonFC[m]> I've never seen anything so unprofessional in my life as Windows 10 Professional. [18:39] MinceR well, it's "enterprise" [18:39] MinceR i.e. overcomplicated, overpriced, bloated and useless [18:40] schestowitz Starship [18:41] schestowitz US Starship used WIndows Enterprise Edition [18:41] schestowitz They also have submarine edition [18:41] schestowitz for marketing [18:41] schestowitz Linux CERN Edition [18:41] schestowitz Tesla Einstein Edition [18:42] DaemonFC[m] There's like 20 settings or something all over Windows 10 that each turn off a piece of the advertising. [18:42] DaemonFC[m] And there's entire articles written as cheat sheets for how to find them all. [18:42] MinceR :> [18:42] DaemonFC[m] Then there were like 17 settings involving privacy. [18:42] schestowitz enough to tell antitrust regulators that it is doable and give users the illusion they "fixed it" [18:43] DaemonFC[m] But you can only stop it from doing certain specific things, and many of them overlap in what they tell Microsoft about you. [18:43] schestowitz anyway, I'm glad I deal with none of those things [18:43] DaemonFC[m] So you can forget to turn one or two of them off and like 80% of the total information goes to Microsoft anyway. [18:43] schestowitz so to many of us out there it's humour, except those of us dumb enough to think Android is "good" because Windows... "bad" [18:44] DaemonFC[m] It is doable to stop it from being so very annoying. [18:44] schestowitz what goes to Microsoft also goes to NSA and others [18:44] DaemonFC[m] But it will take you at least 20 minutes after you set it up to go down the list. [18:44] schestowitz no wonder the US gov. subsidises Microsoft [18:44] schestowitz [18:44] But it will take you at least 20 minutes after you set it up to go down the list. [18:44] schestowitz you can install gnu/linux in 10 minutes [18:44] schestowitz minimally guided installations [18:44] DaemonFC[m] Pretty much. [18:45] schestowitz just press ok, choose username and password, boot [18:45] DaemonFC[m] I'll go over the Debian 11 setup on the older laptop next month. [18:45] DaemonFC[m] Get an idea of what I'm actually dealing with. Version 6 wasn't all that good. [18:45] schestowitz let me know how debian 11 goes [18:45] schestowitz maybe the next machine will have bullseye if it's officially "stable" by then [18:45] schestowitz Debian 10 is really really nice and reliable [18:46] schestowitz I can tell you offhand of no bug in KDE [18:46] schestowitz usually I had a bunch of known issues I had memorised, but not this time [18:46] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, Windows 10 is crashing sometimes just trying to play a video game from 2009. [18:46] DaemonFC[m] It's like how is this even a thing. [18:46] schestowitz top - 18:46:41 up 137 days, [18:46] schestowitz I reckon I can do 1-2 years uptime [18:47] schestowitz but maybe there will be a critical kernel patch along the way [18:47] DaemonFC[m] It's pretty much like my experience trying to play through Borderlands 2 on my old laptop. Either the Intel driver would die and need to be restarted by Windows, or Blue Screen of Death. [18:47] DaemonFC[m] Windows Update even managed to put the wrong Intel bluetooth driver on my laptop. [18:48] DaemonFC[m] So Bluetooth worked, but had glitches, and after running the Intel driver update utility, things got much better. [18:49] DaemonFC[m] I'm guessing the reason the 20H2 upgrade was so fast and actually didn't break anything that I've noticed is that the "major upgrades" to Windows 10 are slowing down and it's pretty much down to a few items at this point. [18:50] *rianne_ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [18:51] DaemonFC[m] There's no major investment in Windows anymore. [18:51] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [18:51] DaemonFC[m] The switch to Chromium Edge was major, but they did it so that they could fire a bunch of people and claim they had a browser that actually renders pages properly. [18:52] DaemonFC[m] Which is does do, but considering that it's just Chromium with some Microsoft branding, that's to be expected. [18:53] DaemonFC[m] That's why I was perplexed by Edge on Linux and Edge on Mac. There's no real reason to test specifically in Edge because it will render a page the same way as the version of Chromium it's built on top of. [18:54] DaemonFC[m] In fact, that was a lot of the reason for the switch. They could continue solving problems where Chromium rendered something a certain way and EdgeHTML broke, or they could just give up, and they gave up. [18:54] DaemonFC[m] Because, you know, the whole "paying people just to unfuck Edge again" part. [18:55] DaemonFC[m] I'm not at all sure about Mozilla. [18:55] DaemonFC[m] They just gave up their entire office in Mountain View. They blames it on COVID, but between their reduced circumstances, their CEO who might as well be embezzling considering her outrageous salary compared with revenue, the layoffs, etc.... [18:56] DaemonFC[m] The office lease was just another series in the events where Chrome+Clones takes another step and Mozilla falls back. [18:57] DaemonFC[m] And pretty soon there'll be nothing left, and Mozilla will announce that they're firing most of the engineers that remain and will just try to make a browser on top of Chromium. [18:57] DaemonFC[m] They've passively enabled at least some of their reduced circumstances, schestowitz. [18:58] DaemonFC[m] Like, when Windows started annoying people. Really annoying them to use Edge or changing their default browser back without asking.... Where was the lawsuit? [18:58] DaemonFC[m] This behavior does harm Mozilla. They have standing to sue. They might get an injunction. They'd certainly be no worse off than where they're headed. ● Dec 13 [19:00] DaemonFC[m] If they could have enjoined Microsoft from doing that and salvaged even 5-6% of Firefox users who were "weedled" over to Edge, then the revenue would have far outweighed the costs of the lawsuit. [19:00] DaemonFC[m] Hell, Microsoft may have even settled out of court and handed them cash. [19:00] DaemonFC[m] We'll never know. [19:00] DaemonFC[m] Because of Mitchell Baker. [19:01] DaemonFC[m] They're a pushover and they fired their best people. [19:01] DaemonFC[m] And now they're going away. [19:01] DaemonFC[m] You almost have to wonder what's next for Linux default browsers after Firefox is gone. [19:02] *jpli (~quassel@2806:106e:24:3e42::3) has joined #techrights [19:02] DaemonFC[m] In the 90s there was sort of a dearth of browsers available for Linux, and so most distributions shipped Netscape, which was proprietary, because it was your best shot on Linux at getting pages that worked. [19:02] DaemonFC[m] So it's not too difficult to see the major distributions giving up and packaging Chrome or Chromium. [19:02] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [19:03] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [19:03] DaemonFC[m] It really doesn't matter much to Google if there are other browsers using their engine. It's yet more control they wield over the web platform. [19:04] DaemonFC[m] And most users will change their search engine anyway because nobody will tolerate Bing very long. [19:04] schestowitz search engines can be made obsolete [19:04] schestowitz but let me explain [19:04] schestowitz let's go back to the basics [19:04] schestowitz the web used to be small [19:04] schestowitz very small [19:04] schestowitz and inflexible [19:04] schestowitz then web had directories [19:05] schestowitz to help sort the small web [19:05] schestowitz altavista came around [19:05] schestowitz that's where the current CEO of Red Hat came from (IBM still pretends it's a separate company, like Microsoft with GitHub... to not scare the fake 'community') [19:05] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, I remember when it was small enough that you could have humans sorting it all out and making sure you didn't have to sort through any crap. [19:05] schestowitz We can walk away from Google as search authority [19:05] schestowitz and screw PageRank [19:05] schestowitz along with bloated browsers [19:05] schestowitz not by changing the Web [19:06] schestowitz it won't change, we have no leverage over w3c anymore [19:06] DaemonFC[m] I mostly use DuckDuckGo, and I know BIng is a factor in that, but it's a meta engine. [19:06] schestowitz so you make an alternative [19:06] DaemonFC[m] And it comes up with a lot of stuff that's just been censored from Google. [19:06] schestowitz and let that grow, based e.g. on lowering obesity of stuff. [19:06] DaemonFC[m] Google is as censored in America as it is in China, it's just the MAFIAA that does most of it here. [19:06] schestowitz you don't need 2MB of data and 2 CPU core to read a short tweet [19:07] schestowitz sometimes I just look things up directly in wikipedia [19:07] schestowitz wikipedia is not perfect [19:07] schestowitz but better than random searching [19:07] DaemonFC[m] Well, why are we putting at least a quad core in every computer? Because we can. It's easy to do now. [19:07] schestowitz google is useful when you debug some rare error message [19:07] schestowitz iirc, that's why brin and page made it in the first place [19:07] schestowitz and they have a dedicated google for linux things [19:07] DaemonFC[m] It's like why is every TV so nice even if they're cheap as hell? [19:08] schestowitz that disappeared years later [19:08] schestowitz they need a debugging/support resource [19:08] DaemonFC[m] We got to a level of technology where it's cheap to make something 100 times nicer than a "nice" one 30 years ago. [19:08] DaemonFC[m] So you have a 100x nicer TV for 20% of the money. [19:09] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, and I noticed for tech stuff, DuckDuckGo is pretty much useless. [19:09] DaemonFC[m] You end up using !g. [19:10] DaemonFC[m] We've gotten to a level of technology where the things you need have gone up in price and the things you want are cheap as hell. [19:10] DaemonFC[m] So the government smashes them together and there's no inflation. [19:10] DaemonFC[m] :) [19:11] psydroid doesn't that level of technology we have got to mean we can also make a replacement of the Web that is 100 times nicer than the Web itself? [19:12] DaemonFC[m] I'd better mail the rent check tomorrow. [19:12] psydroid replacement for* [19:12] DaemonFC[m] The post office is experiencing "delays" that are just ridiculous right now. [19:12] DaemonFC[m] I usually do it no later than the 16th of the month, but I may want to do it on the 14th this time. [19:13] DaemonFC[m] Along with the holidays bogging everything down and people shopping online a lot, the post office has to deal with DeJoy's sabotage that's leftover from Trump trying to steal the election. [19:14] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: The irony is that my dad really liked the movie The Postman. [19:14] DaemonFC[m] And then it's the Post Office that saves us from the Holnist Army in real life. Too weird. [19:16] DaemonFC[m] The United States collapses and then a washing machine salesman starts a violent slave army in the wastelands. [19:17] DaemonFC[m] Only instead of a washing machine salesman, we got a six time bankrupt adulterer who eats four bags of McDonalds and 12 Diet Coked every day. [19:17] DaemonFC[m] Apparently, it was the guy bringing him his Diet Cokes that may have given him COVID. [19:18] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: I spent probably 20 minutes on Fallout New Vegas just trying to figure out a way to kill that bad comedian without taking negative karma. [19:19] DaemonFC[m] Like reverse pickpocketing him a live grenade while using a Stealth Boy. [19:19] DaemonFC[m] Eventually gave up and let him live, for now. [19:19] DaemonFC[m] Then I came across a game breaking bug, that's still in the main quest storyline, that nobody bothered to fix even though there have been some updates. [19:21] DaemonFC[m] You can talk to the Great Khans to try to get them to back the New California Republic, but then a broken script makes it impossible to talk to the NCR official about it, so your only other option for the NCR storyline to continue is go back and kill them all unless you just want to set the quest to complete using the cheat console. [19:21] DaemonFC[m] Oh, Bethesda. [19:21] DaemonFC[m] I would call them the Microsoft of video games, but that's EA. [19:22] MinceR DaemonFC[m]: lol [19:22] DaemonFC[m] You'd think that the minimum amount of testing on an RPG would be to make sure that all possible lines of the main story work. [19:22] MinceR you thought zenimax/bethesda did testing? [19:22] MinceR as for the microsoft of video games, microsoft bought zenimax this year [19:23] DaemonFC[m] They obviously don't. Even with all the patches and expansions for Oblivion, it still had well over 20,000 bugs. [19:23] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: sorry I dropped off the convo [19:23] MinceR they're a bunch of suits with not a single clue about videogames [19:23] DaemonFC[m] Some of them not that serious, but most of them fixed with Unofficial Patches. [19:23] schestowitz had to finished editing a guest post [19:23] schestowitz and since you just between topics you leave my mind in disarray [19:23] MinceR they just bought the rights to fallout from interplay after fallout 2 came out [19:23] MinceR they also bought id after it already started dying [19:24] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, I got into Fallout because someone gave it to me for Christmas in maybe 1998, I guess. [19:24] MinceR they'll fit right in at microshit. [19:24] DaemonFC[m] It was an isometric style RPG back then because it's what such a computer could do. [19:24] schestowitz try to focus on one topic at a time as that also makes logs more readable and easy to follow; you talk about your husbands's family, then Google, then movies your dad likes... [19:24] MinceR talking is like that :> [19:25] DaemonFC[m] Well, it all ties into what the virus is up to, like everything these days. [19:25] DaemonFC[m] I'm assuming that the oligarchy in general is having a field day with this. [19:25] DaemonFC[m] The government forcing what's left of their smaller competitors out of business and creating mass unemployment by edict. Most of the victims, people who were using more government programs than paying taxes. [19:27] DaemonFC[m] Big Pharma getting a license to rush out a vaccine that will cost taxpayers a fortune twice. Once to buy it and then again when the injury compensation program has to pay out all the victims instead of them when some people don't tolerate it well. [19:27] MinceR orban got a license to extend authoritarianism in hungary [19:27] DaemonFC[m] That's exactly what's happening in Illinois. [19:28] MinceR i suspect the other EU apparatchiks don't really mind it at all, they just have to act like they're opposed to it for a while [19:28] DaemonFC[m] The governor's orders have been far more severe in counties that didn't vote for him. [19:28] DaemonFC[m] Less to do with controlling the virus than making life unbearable for his political opponents. [19:28] MinceR so what if every EU resident that doesn't want to sacrifice everything just so that shitty overpriced german cars can be made even more cheaply emigrates to oceania and america? [19:29] MinceR it will probably be after these apparatchiks go to pension anyway [19:30] DaemonFC[m] Some back of the napkin math led him to the conclusion that if most small business owners are Republicans and he can shut them down and declare Big Business "essential", then the jobs will eventually go there and the people funding his opponents will leave the state or reopen with "what's left" and too weak to oppose him again. [19:30] DaemonFC[m] Good politics, though. [19:30] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [19:31] DaemonFC[m] That's pretty much what happened here over the last few decades. [19:31] DaemonFC[m] My grandparents were dismayed when my aunt bought a Honda in 1985. [19:31] DaemonFC[m] You know what? That thing was still running 30 years later, and they went through 4 Cadillacs in the same amount of time. [19:32] DaemonFC[m] Not because they got tired of them, it's because it's a luxury GM car, so they're endless money pits at 5 or 6 years and you get rid of them. [19:32] DaemonFC[m] Some of them don't give you a choice, like the one where the engine caught fire. [19:33] MinceR :> [19:33] DaemonFC[m] Nobody in my mom's side of the family takes care of anything. [19:33] MinceR BMW loves to make engines that set the car on fire [19:33] DaemonFC[m] So if a 1985 Honda made it 30 years. Imagine how long it would last properly serviced. [19:33] MinceR or they just have no idea what they're doing [19:34] MinceR but they don't have to because brainless hungarian criminals and their like will buy it just like they buy crApple products [19:34] DaemonFC[m] I've heard from people who worked at BMW that they specifically design them to only last a few years. [19:34] MinceR ah, it's a success then [19:34] DaemonFC[m] It's a goal that everything should work fine for 3-4 years and then it should all start going wrong. [19:34] MinceR i'm not sure if they reliably reach 3 years [19:35] DaemonFC[m] They don't negotiate on the extended warranty. [19:35] MinceR i hear ford has the same policy about recalls: if they haven't scheduled your car to be fixed yet, they'll tell you no recalls apply to it [19:35] DaemonFC[m] BMW has it in the computer what they cost. Maricel bought one for over $5,800 just to extend it from 2 to 5 years [19:35] DaemonFC[m] So what does that tell you? [19:36] MinceR even if they know the design is broken, they'll tell you it's fine until they're ready to service it, or until it self-destructs [19:36] DaemonFC[m] If they anticipate that the car will require almost $6,000 in repairs before it's 5, don't buy it. [19:36] DaemonFC[m] No accountant that was giving their client good advice would say to buy that. [19:37] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: Mom might be improving in some areas. [19:37] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [19:37] DaemonFC[m] I told her to buy a Toyota next time, about 2 years old, and to take me with her when she goes shopping. [19:38] MinceR :> [19:38] DaemonFC[m] I don't think she just took it from me. Some doctor friend at work said that he and his wife both buy two year old Toyotas and they usually drive them another 15 years before anything serious starts to set in. [19:38] *rianne_ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [19:39] MinceR my toyota was pretty reliable until it became 20 years old [19:39] MinceR but i don't know how hard it was abused by its earlier owners [19:39] DaemonFC[m] You notice that in the advertising, GM never runs any that suggest you'll be handing it down to the kids when it's 20 years old. [19:39] MinceR :> [19:39] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [19:40] DaemonFC[m] Mine was making an awful sound last night and then it went away. [19:40] DaemonFC[m] The Impala again. [19:40] schestowitz I've made some improvements for my static and JavaScript-free 'social control media' that's self-hosted http://schestowitz.com/2020/12/14/ [19:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [19:40] DaemonFC[m] Mom was like "What did it sound like?" I went, "Another $1,000.". [19:40] schestowitz now it adds day of posting [19:40] schestowitz and it updates in real-time [19:40] schestowitz *real time [19:41] schestowitz vZS1: I don't support you use Social Control Media [19:41] DaemonFC[m] They don't want anything to work without Javascript anymore. [19:41] schestowitz even the 'free' ones and 'federated' stuff is too bloated now [19:41] schestowitz for just a bunch of text [19:41] DaemonFC[m] With it turned on they can track you and exploit all sorts of browser vulnerabilities. [19:41] DaemonFC[m] And with most browsers being some sort of Chrome, we have a monoculture that is easier to write once, run anywhere with the malware. [19:42] MinceR Vlad the Impala [19:42] vZS1 I don't use any social media? [19:42] DaemonFC[m] I noticed that Windows 10 Pro has an Application Guard with turns Edge into some sort of isolated virtualized browser appliance. [19:42] DaemonFC[m] But they don't make any way to let you run that as the default. [19:43] schestowitz oops [19:43] schestowitz I mean suppose, vZS1 [19:43] schestowitz we need to replace that too, somehow [19:43] schestowitz replace web [19:43] schestowitz replace clown [19:43] schestowitz replace fake encryption [19:44] schestowitz replace social control media [19:44] schestowitz .. [19:44] schestowitz suckless Internet\ [19:44] DaemonFC[m] The security situation on Windows isn't as horrendous as it was at its lowest point, but at its lowest point, there was none. [19:44] DaemonFC[m] So, take what Microsoft says with a lot of salt. [19:44] MinceR it's worse than none [19:44] MinceR it comes with backdoors [19:53] schestowitz > You won't get anything from Moglen, though someone really ought to look [19:53] schestowitz > into the C&D / legal whatever from Moglen against SFC over their [19:53] schestowitz > trademark. I used to wonder what the deal is, thinking SFC was probably [19:53] schestowitz > innocent, that was quite a while back. [19:53] schestowitz > [19:53] schestowitz > https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2017/nov/03/sflc-legal-action/ [19:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sfconservancy.org | SFLC Files Bizarre Legal Action Against Its Former Client, Software Freedom Conservancy - Conservancy Blog - Software Freedom Conservancy [19:53] schestowitz > [19:53] schestowitz > [19:53] schestowitz > Seems less "bizarre" now, but only more interesting. [19:53] schestowitz > [19:53] schestowitz > schestowitz [19:53] schestowitz > is that an SFC thing now? And since when? [19:53] schestowitz > Dec 12 11:45 [19:53] schestowitz > 12 11:45:17> [19:54] schestowitz > Ariadne [19:54] schestowitz > that was the original purpose of SFC [19:54] schestowitz > Dec 12 11:45 [19:54] schestowitz > 12 11:45:27> [19:54] schestowitz > schestowitz [19:54] schestowitz > tax exemption sieve? [19:54] schestowitz > Dec 12 11:45 [19:54] schestowitz > 12 11:45:30> [19:54] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [19:54] schestowitz > Ariadne [19:54] schestowitz > yes, basically [19:54] schestowitz > Dec 12 11:45 [19:54] schestowitz > 12 11:45:37> [19:54] schestowitz > schestowitz [19:54] schestowitz > SFC was made for GPL enforcement [19:54] schestowitz > Dec 12 11:45 [19:54] schestowitz > 12 11:45:41> [19:54] schestowitz > Ariadne [19:54] schestowitz > no [19:54] schestowitz > Dec 12 11:45 [19:54] schestowitz > 12 11:45:44> [19:54] schestowitz > Ariadne [19:54] schestowitz > GPL enforcement came later [19:54] schestowitz > Dec 12 11:45 [19:54] schestowitz > 12 11:45:49> [19:54] schestowitz > schestowitz [19:54] schestowitz > I suppose I need to read up on it [19:54] schestowitz > Dec 12 11:46 [19:54] schestowitz > 12 11:46:02> [19:54] schestowitz > Ariadne [19:54] schestowitz > after they decided moglen wasn't doing a good job [19:54] schestowitz > Dec 12 11:46 [19:54] schestowitz > 12 11:46:08> [19:55] schestowitz > Ariadne [19:55] schestowitz > its a huge mess [19:55] schestowitz > Dec 12 11:46 [19:55] schestowitz > 12 11:46:12> [19:58] MinceR https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/26/45b6e5599697d307.png ● Dec 13 [20:02] DaemonFC[m] https://www.ajc.com/politics/election/georgia-supreme-court-rejects-trump-appeal/BBXM726DABF55GO4A262RNPDJ4/ [20:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ajc.com | Georgia Supreme Court rejects Trump appeal [20:03] DaemonFC[m] https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/12/13/trump-appointee-brett-ludwig-tosses-wisconsin-election-lawsuit/6530303002/ [20:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.freep.com | Trump appointee Brett Ludwig tosses Wisconsin election lawsuit [20:04] schestowitz lol [20:05] *gde33 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [20:05] *gde34 (~gde333@84-106-154-98.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) has joined #techrights [20:10] vZS1 IRC is a social [20:11] vZS1 platform* [20:11] vZS1 Less junk [20:11] vZS1 We chat and share stuff [20:12] vZS1 No balkanisation [20:13] vZS1 Which is what puts me off from social media the most [20:13] DaemonFC[m] My annual Christmas tradition has been ruined by COVID. [20:13] DaemonFC[m] No Chinese buffet. [20:13] vZS1 Cook Chinese at home? [20:15] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, that's a strong possibility. [20:15] DaemonFC[m] I use the slow cooker for almost everything. [20:15] DaemonFC[m] The oven mostly just sits there waiting for the odd frozen pizza or something. [20:16] vZS1 You can make peeking stuff in the slow cooker [20:16] vZS1 peking* [20:17] vZS1 Ribs, beef, etc [20:18] DaemonFC[m] Mandy is just weird. Tells me to turn the heat on while he's sitting around in underwear. [20:18] DaemonFC[m] Some of these arguments just go around in circles. I say "Go put your pajamas on. I'm not donating our money to the electric company.". [20:19] DaemonFC[m] Without heat or air conditioning, the bill runs about $30-40 a month. [20:19] DaemonFC[m] Once you turn those on, they can get up to $100. [20:19] DaemonFC[m] Maybe a bit more. [20:19] DaemonFC[m] It's like running a furnace by throwing cash into it. That's how I think. [20:20] vZS1 I always wear a hoody indoors. Habit [20:20] vZS1 Even during summer [20:22] DaemonFC[m] Well, by not running the heater and letting the temperature just be whatever it is while you layer up, you're saving at least $60 a month, or more. [20:23] DaemonFC[m] We're in a ground level apartment and one of the reason I blurted out "We'll take it." as soon as I saw it was because I know how cheap they are to do heating and air conditioning. [20:23] DaemonFC[m] You don't have to fight temperature extremes as much when more than half your apartment is underground. [20:23] vZS1 Makes sense [20:24] DaemonFC[m] There's some eccentrics living out in the desert and they always build underground. [20:25] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: CNN and The Hill on Gates talking about the vaccine again. [20:25] DaemonFC[m] He ridiculed Trump this time. [20:26] DaemonFC[m] He said something like at least the new administration will work with and listen to experts instead of publicly attacking them. [20:26] DaemonFC[m] Which is another thing that's not technically wrong, but like 5 news outlets covering another "Bill Gates takes a shit." story. [20:27] DaemonFC[m] Things got pretty bad under Trump, and Gates is only now criticizing Trump, only now.... [20:27] DaemonFC[m] He not only waited until after Trump was voted out, but until the very moment the last two of his crazy lawsuits went splat. [20:27] DaemonFC[m] Courage..... :P [20:28] DaemonFC[m] He waited until it was absolutely certain Trump would be gone. Not 99.95%. 100%. [20:28] DaemonFC[m] Then he starts flattering Biden. [20:29] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [20:30] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [20:30] *inky (~inky@141.136.76.18) has joined #techrights [20:32] DaemonFC[m] There's certainly not going to be much that Trump can do about this in his next 38 days as President. But Gates wanted to make sure that last nail was in the coffin because if Trump did somehow manage to sleaze his way back in it wouldn't be good for business having just insulted him. [20:33] DaemonFC[m] I don't think that Gates personally would care as much about the end of democracy in America, which is what the Supreme Court or the other schemes would have meant, as to what it would mean for his ability to keep feasting off this pandemic. [20:34] DaemonFC[m] There's some democracy left in the United States, but not much. [20:35] DaemonFC[m] Billionaires toy with it as some sort of blood sport, and then you get to pick from the two that are left. [20:59] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) ● Dec 13 [21:07] *tdemin has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [21:41] *kupi (uid212005@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mjbkiotsmhixgetl) has joined #techrights [21:48] XRevan86 https://coub.com/view/1o6teo [21:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Half-Life 3 - Coub - The Biggest Video Meme Platform [21:50] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [21:52] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [21:59] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights ● Dec 13 [22:03] smnthermes https://old.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/ir8ic6/youtubedlc_an_active_fork_of_youtubedl/ [22:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-old.reddit.com | YouTube-dlc an active fork of YouTube-dl : DataHoarder [22:03] smnthermes It seems youtube-dl is dying, so someone forked it [22:10] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [22:14] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [22:22] DaemonFC[m] I found a bad spot in the freezer where some meat didn't freeze all the way. [22:22] DaemonFC[m] So for now I just put a giant tupperware thing of water in that part of the door and told Mandy not to put anything else there. [22:23] DaemonFC[m] Threw $15 worth of meat out. curses [22:23] DaemonFC[m] Seal looks okay. Wonder what happened. [22:33] *ohama has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [22:36] *ohama (~ohama@cicolina.org) has joined #techrights ● Dec 13 [23:08] MinceR 13 230353 < smnthermes> It seems youtube-dl is dying, so someone forked it [23:08] MinceR if that someone had a clue, they wouldn't have hosted it on microsoft shithub [23:21] schestowitz Signs of lack of competence of desire to survive [23:22] schestowitz like so-called 'journalists' who think all they need is a twitter account [23:22] schestowitz or youtube channel [23:34] schestowitz xmas 2014 (5 years before COVID) http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Christmas-Eve/Church-Across-the-Road/church7 [23:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | church7 [23:53] schestowitz vZS1: I need your advice [23:53] schestowitz if you are around [23:53] schestowitz it's not about e2ee [23:53] schestowitz but anonymity [23:53] schestowitz I have some specs [23:53] schestowitz and it's about EPO [23:54] schestowitz how to securely and anonymously contact managers there