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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/eickmeyer?lang=en | Jul 14 00:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mobile.twitter.com | Erich Eickmeyer (@eickmeyer) on Twitter | Jul 14 00:00 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's a "Christian minister" and "lead of Ubuntu Studio and Fedora Jam". | Jul 14 00:00 |
| schestowitz | so... not a red hat employee | Jul 14 00:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's.....pushing for it. | Jul 14 00:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But no....I'm trying to figure this out. | Jul 14 00:01 |
| schestowitz | what a bunch of tosser/posers | Jul 14 00:01 |
| schestowitz | *tossers | Jul 14 00:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He invited Nirik into the room (who is never in there). | Jul 14 00:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think that Nirik is Red Hat. | Jul 14 00:02 |
| schestowitz | who is nirik? | Jul 14 00:02 |
| schestowitz | ah, ok | Jul 14 00:02 |
| schestowitz | ibm | Jul 14 00:02 |
| schestowitz | maybe they can barcode y'all, do a census, then figure out some final solution to all this censorship | Jul 14 00:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's hard to figure out who is the ringleader behind the bans. | Jul 14 00:03 |
| psydread | so this is like throwing someone under the bus hoping to take their position? | Jul 14 00:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Eickmeyer is cheerleading them and threatening people. | Jul 14 00:03 |
| MinceR | lol @ final solution | Jul 14 00:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He invited "Nirik" to actually become the mod and get rid of Kofler. | Jul 14 00:03 |
| schestowitz | kde dor org says the project lead was (2006) the person who kicked out the bunch | Jul 14 00:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Rex Dieter read him the "sentence" and was "very sorry". | Jul 14 00:04 |
| schestowitz | deep heart | Jul 14 00:04 |
| schestowitz | "ma, I got banned... but with heavy heart" | Jul 14 00:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's almost...nobody actually wants to be the one to admit where this came from, who is actually doing it, where the decision was made..... | Jul 14 00:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There are no "open minutes" of the meeting where it was discussed or decided. | Jul 14 00:05 |
| schestowitz | well, at least in techrights we're totally open | Jul 14 00:05 |
| schestowitz | sometimes we redact names | Jul 14 00:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Dieter copy pasted some of it and literally shortened it with "yada yada". | Jul 14 00:05 |
| schestowitz | but that's about it | Jul 14 00:05 |
| schestowitz | erich seems irrelevant to it | Jul 14 00:06 |
| schestowitz | just riding some high horse | Jul 14 00:06 |
| schestowitz | using windows | Jul 14 00:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You think he's....ugh. | Jul 14 00:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So he's a nobody that's posing? | Jul 14 00:06 |
| schestowitz | he seems to be of little actual significant to the project... just egging others on | Jul 14 00:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like backseat moderator... | Jul 14 00:06 |
| schestowitz | peanut gallery morelike | Jul 14 00:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "I'm gonna get my big brother to beat you up!" | Jul 14 00:06 |
| schestowitz | "ma dad is a laooooyer" | Jul 14 00:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's hard. They like to drop their moderator hat so they look like anyone else, until a "decision was made". | Jul 14 00:07 |
| psydread | schoolyard bully | Jul 14 00:07 |
| schestowitz | 62,049 new cases | Jul 14 00:07 |
| *schestowitz uploaded iRC logs, 8 mins ago cutoff | Jul 14 00:08 | |
| psydread | but good to know that I should never install Ubuntu Studio anywhere | Jul 14 00:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Yeah, Joy told me "My husband is a lawyer.". She was always calling John "your friend". | Jul 14 00:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I said, "I don't really care what your friend is.", | Jul 14 00:08 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu Strudio had issues lately | Jul 14 00:08 |
| schestowitz | maybe mr. windows is looking for greener pastures to turn yellow | Jul 14 00:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What was going on with it? | Jul 14 00:09 |
| schestowitz | i forget the details | Jul 14 00:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I used to use their GNOME theme because it looked better than the default one. | Jul 14 00:09 |
| schestowitz | I can look it up | Jul 14 00:09 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/04/25/groovy-gorilla/ | Jul 14 00:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 25/4/2020: Wine 5.7, LXQt 0.15 Released, Ubuntu 20.10 Will Identity as “Groovy Gorilla” | Techrights | Jul 14 00:09 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I should not have had that energy drink. | Jul 14 00:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Walmart slips free samples into your order sometimes. | Jul 14 00:10 |
| schestowitz | "- Before I began leading Ubuntu Studio, I was using a "spin" of Fedora called Fedora Jam." | Jul 14 00:11 |
| schestowitz | https://ericheickmeyer.com/2020/03/05/putting-on-a-new-hat/ | Jul 14 00:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ericheickmeyer.com | Putting-On a New Hat – Erich Eickmeyer | Jul 14 00:11 | |
| schestowitz | so you see where this is going | Jul 14 00:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, well, as long as he stays over nyaaah. | Jul 14 00:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Eww. | Jul 14 00:11 |
| schestowitz | "This got me thinking: what if something happens to Ubuntu Studio and Ubuntu/Debian became no-longer viable options for audio production? With that in mind, I decided to do something about it and stepped-in to become Fedora Jam’s new maintainer." | Jul 14 00:11 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 14 00:12 |
| schestowitz | As it stands now, Fedora Jam 32 looks like it will be a thing, although not quite what I have envisioned. Hence, even now, I’m working on items for inclusion in Fedora 33 that should make it an excellent choice for audio production on Linux. | Jul 14 00:12 |
| schestowitz | All this said, I want to make it clear: I am not leaving Ubuntu Studio. I am in a situation where I can adequately lead both Ubuntu Studio and Fedora Jam. Besides, this gives me a great deal of experience with packaging for Debian-based and .rpm-based Linux distributions. | Jul 14 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Overall, I say this is a win-win for everybody who does audio production using Linux. I can take what I’ve learned in Ubuntu and apply it to Fedora and vice-versa. | Jul 14 00:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 14 00:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's a nice operating system you have there........be a shame if "something happened to it". LOL | Jul 14 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Butter and JAM, mate!! | Jul 14 00:12 |
| schestowitz | butter 'er up! | Jul 14 00:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Overall, I say this is a win-win for everybody who does audio production using Linux." | Jul 14 00:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "And I've completely mastered pomposity, even though I say so myself!" -Kryten, Red Dwarf | Jul 14 00:14 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 14 00:14 |
| MinceR | fedora as a substitute for ubuntured and deadian | Jul 14 00:14 |
| MinceR | s/red/rd/ | Jul 14 00:14 |
| schestowitz | fedora itself is fried | Jul 14 00:14 |
| MinceR | "windows doesn't work so i changed the wallpaper! that'll show them!" | Jul 14 00:15 |
| schestowitz | I said it in techrights several times this year | Jul 14 00:15 |
| schestowitz | 1) their planet is dead.dying | Jul 14 00:15 |
| schestowitz | 2) lots of downtime | Jul 14 00:15 |
| schestowitz | DC moves, services offline for indefinite time frames | Jul 14 00:15 |
| schestowitz | 3) IBM shows no direct involvement | Jul 14 00:15 |
| schestowitz | 4) only red hat staff involved | Jul 14 00:15 |
| schestowitz | 5) arabic posts in the planet and lots of non-English | Jul 14 00:16 |
| schestowitz | lenovo preloading fedora on thinkpad was their only upside | Jul 14 00:16 |
| schestowitz | also, their site's traffic, which they disclosure for transparency, is laughable | Jul 14 00:16 |
| schestowitz | like a few thousands in a whole month | Jul 14 00:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, after demanding that my laptop would never work correctly with Linux even if I could install it. | Jul 14 00:16 |
| schestowitz | so fedora isn't so healthy at the moment | Jul 14 00:16 |
| *DaemonFC[m] installed it 4 years ago and has been using it since. | Jul 14 00:17 | |
| schestowitz | i hope fedora will do well btw | Jul 14 00:17 |
| psydread | and I wonder for how long that will last when people find out about the bugs | Jul 14 00:17 |
| schestowitz | but if you look at their planet alone (same for ubuntu btw), it looks like there's no community left | Jul 14 00:17 |
| schestowitz | it's like a ghost of rhel of sandbox | Jul 14 00:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most of the horrible bugs seem to affect the non-GMOME spins. | Jul 14 00:17 |
| schestowitz | way for them to get volunteer workforce to test and file bugs | Jul 14 00:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're not considered priority bugs and they can't stop a release. | Jul 14 00:18 |
| schestowitz | for ibm to sell $4000/annum support vouchers | Jul 14 00:18 |
| MinceR | so what will the cult of cancerd do if fedora dies? | Jul 14 00:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | *GNOME | Jul 14 00:18 |
| MinceR | will they save themselves a lot of pointless work and just switch to windows? | Jul 14 00:18 |
| schestowitz | gnome will be ok | Jul 14 00:18 |
| schestowitz | some other companies depend on it | Jul 14 00:18 |
| schestowitz | they can pay devs to work on essential bigs in gnome | Jul 14 00:18 |
| schestowitz | *bits | Jul 14 00:18 |
| schestowitz | systemd will remain systemd and only one (or few) company/ies will work on it | Jul 14 00:19 |
| schestowitz | on microsoft github | Jul 14 00:19 |
| psydread | they will release cancerdos | Jul 14 00:19 |
| schestowitz | with microsoft giving wsl patched for it | Jul 14 00:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm guessing that KDE won't be affected much except one really horribly presented variant of it will go away. | Jul 14 00:19 |
| schestowitz | lol, cancerDOS | Jul 14 00:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They just have too much stuff in Fedora-KDE that is a major showstoppers that nobody seems to fix even though it's impossible to miss. | Jul 14 00:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | How do you miss a bug that causes the screen locker to not accept your password every now and then? | Jul 14 00:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's pretty basic. Doesn't happen n Kubuntu. | Jul 14 00:20 |
| MinceR | like all those other people in charge of defective software | Jul 14 00:21 |
| MinceR | though it's a bit harder to ignore on AD, because once AD decides your password is wrong, it will never accept it again | Jul 14 00:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They don't actually use it, they've just ended up in charge. | Jul 14 00:21 |
| MinceR | but it's easier because microshit doesn't test their products | Jul 14 00:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's seriously what it feels like, like all of that breakage in Mutter. | Jul 14 00:21 |
| schestowitz | In just one week (Monday-to-Monday) number of new #covid19 cases in the US grew 25%. In one week. | Jul 14 00:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Are they even using this themselves? How do not notice this?" | Jul 14 00:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Yeah, wall of death coming I'm sure. | Jul 14 00:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The death count has been higher each day than the same day in the preceding week. | Jul 14 00:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | For 9 days in a row. | Jul 14 00:23 |
| AVRS | Moscow just stopped requiring use of masks when outside (not in public transport). | Jul 14 00:23 |
| MinceR | 14 012207 < DaemonFC[m]> "Are they even using this themselves? How do not notice this?" | Jul 14 00:23 |
| AVRS | Despite stats showing no quick decrease. | Jul 14 00:23 |
| MinceR | well, do you think someone that uses Idiot Edgesploiter on Backdoors would notice bugs in fedora or KDE? | Jul 14 00:24 |
| AVRS | Or maybe due to? | Jul 14 00:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <MinceR "well, do you think someone that "> Probably not. | Jul 14 00:24 |
| AVRS | _Gloves_ and masks are still required in public transportation. | Jul 14 00:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It seems to be a bug deeper down in the OS, not KDE. | Jul 14 00:24 |
| AVRS | Not that anyone cares about gloves. | Jul 14 00:25 |
| AVRS | Maybe subway does. | Jul 14 00:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because the screen locker only stops working after sudo becomes unresponsive. | Jul 14 00:25 |
| MinceR | i don't see the point of gloves | Jul 14 00:25 |
| AVRS | Selling them. | Jul 14 00:25 |
| MinceR | ah. | Jul 14 00:25 |
| MinceR | of course. | Jul 14 00:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's something going on regarding sudo, PAM, I don't know really. | Jul 14 00:25 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC[m]: probably systemd-logind | Jul 14 00:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's just bubbling up and presenting itself in the KDE screen locker as well. | Jul 14 00:25 |
| schestowitz | unless the gloves are laced with chemicals like chlorine | Jul 14 00:25 |
| schestowitz | the germs pass on no matter what's on the hands, as do viruses | Jul 14 00:26 |
| MinceR | back when i used fedora, xscreensaver would regularly crash to some sort of gnome screen locker i never asked for | Jul 14 00:26 |
| schestowitz | wearing gloves seems like security theatre | Jul 14 00:26 |
| AVRS | Somebody from the government bought a mask factory soon after the requirement appeared. | Jul 14 00:26 |
| schestowitz | like TSA | Jul 14 00:26 |
| schestowitz | they wear gloves, which they rarely replace | Jul 14 00:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I tried to do an strace on sudo to see what happened. | Jul 14 00:26 |
| AVRS | Gloves can be useful if you have damaged skin though, I guess. | Jul 14 00:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was not helpful. | Jul 14 00:26 |
| schestowitz | so they just touch people with latex and use the same latex to touch a lot of people | Jul 14 00:26 |
| schestowitz | and they look like bloody MIMES | Jul 14 00:26 |
| schestowitz | even move like MIME | Jul 14 00:26 |
| schestowitz | welcome to the shitshow | Jul 14 00:27 |
| schestowitz | broadway at the airport | Jul 14 00:27 |
| schestowitz | cabaret | Jul 14 00:27 |
| schestowitz | AVRS: does it pass through blood? | Jul 14 00:27 |
| MinceR | can SARS-CoV-2 infect through damaged skin on hands? | Jul 14 00:27 |
| schestowitz | I guess it does in a way | Jul 14 00:28 |
| AVRS | It passes through mucous membranes… | Jul 14 00:28 |
| schestowitz | for damaged skin you might as well worry about HIV when gloveless | Jul 14 00:28 |
| AVRS | HIV doesn't lie around. | Jul 14 00:28 |
| AVRS | Rabies does. | Jul 14 00:28 |
| AVRS | Or so I read. | Jul 14 00:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Windows 10 is buggier than the buggiest Linux distro I've ever used.Of course the people at Microsoft's PR firms who troll Linux and Reddit all sorts of places whip out their CoCs and beat you to death if you talk about it. | Jul 14 00:29 |
| AVRS | Well, rabies can lie on the ground. | Jul 14 00:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Intel driver on Windows 10 was constantly exploding. PIN logins broke and crashed the screen locker and I never found out why. Always something. | Jul 14 00:29 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: reddit has long been a lost cause | Jul 14 00:30 |
| MinceR | well, they like it buggy | Jul 14 00:30 |
| schestowitz | esp. censorship-wise | Jul 14 00:30 |
| MinceR | makes it "modern" | Jul 14 00:30 |
| schestowitz | bugs are an std | Jul 14 00:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Something happened and the Intel driver just wiped out the last 30 minutes of your Borderlands 2. Windows is looking for a solution." *Downgrades driver to one with even MOAR bugs and then BL2 doesn't start.* | Jul 14 00:30 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft will pass them on when it rapes your project | Jul 14 00:30 |
| schestowitz | smb still around | Jul 14 00:31 |
| schestowitz | I never touch the thing | Jul 14 00:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, it can't crash if it doesn't start, right? | Jul 14 00:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Solution! | Jul 14 00:31 |
| MinceR | final solution | Jul 14 00:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now you won't lose any more save games. Everyone thank Windows! | Jul 14 00:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Thanks, Windows!" | Jul 14 00:31 |
| AVRS | DaemonFC[m]: can you refuse the downgrade? | Jul 14 00:32 |
| MinceR | user getting a choice? that sounds decidedly non-"modern" | Jul 14 00:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, I ended up formatting the disk. | Jul 14 00:34 |
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| MinceR | :> | Jul 14 00:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft says upgrade. Then they remove features and demand more money to get stuff back that you already had. | Jul 14 00:35 |
| schestowitz | today: https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/council-policy-proposal-process-for-promoting-fedora-deliverable-to-edition/ | Jul 14 00:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They did it with RetardFS. | Jul 14 00:35 |
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| MinceR | if your files were important, you wouldn't have trusted microsuck with them anyway | Jul 14 00:35 |
| AVRS | DaemonFC[m]: NTFS? | Jul 14 00:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're already deprecating their own next gen file system because it breaks compatibility, has less features, and is shockingly less reliable than NTFS. | Jul 14 00:36 |
| MinceR | ReFS, iirc | Jul 14 00:36 |
| MinceR | 100% hype, 0% software | Jul 14 00:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, ReFS. | Jul 14 00:36 |
| psydread | "Windows never causes me any problems, you must be doing something wrong" "You're right, Windows doesn't really cause me any problems either and I don't expect it to going forward, because I wiped the drive and installed Linux" | Jul 14 00:38 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Gadgets and Devices: MemGlove/Arduino, Starburst and Axiomtek http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139837 [https://pleroma.site/objects/217b3925-3bda-4c3a-bd37-ff81858beb24] | Jul 14 00:41 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139838 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9d9746f4-7a9e-4fd2-8b8e-f3d10526a04c] | Jul 14 00:44 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Leftovers: Free Software, Slackel, Ubuntu, Fedora, SUSE, and Security http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139839 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e5960676-67b7-440a-8ef5-e5edd83d6b07] | Jul 14 00:47 | |
| schestowitz | what was the vista fs hype? | Jul 14 00:48 |
| schestowitz | was it... I cannot remember what it was called | Jul 14 00:48 |
| schestowitz | pure vapourware | Jul 14 00:48 |
| schestowitz | never materialised | Jul 14 00:48 |
| schestowitz | never came to fruition | Jul 14 00:48 |
| schestowitz | lots of promises | Jul 14 00:48 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: what was it called? | Jul 14 00:48 |
| schestowitz | The Vista VapourFS? | Jul 14 00:48 |
| schestowitz | can't believe it has been 14 years since "Longhorn" (LH) | Jul 14 00:49 |
| AVRS | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WinFS ? | Jul 14 00:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | WinFS - Wikipedia | Jul 14 00:49 | |
| schestowitz | I was gonna say that | Jul 14 00:50 |
| schestowitz | did that ever stay around? | Jul 14 00:50 |
| schestowitz | iirc, they sort of canned it | Jul 14 00:50 |
| schestowitz | and maybe it was a plugin at one point | Jul 14 00:50 |
| AVRS | "was the code name for a canceled[2] data storage and management system" | Jul 14 00:50 |
| schestowitz | at least they got the hype | Jul 14 00:51 |
| schestowitz | and lots of press coverage | Jul 14 00:51 |
| schestowitz | paid-for fluff | Jul 14 00:51 |
| schestowitz | praising their broken, unworkable FS | Jul 14 00:51 |
| AVRS | Well, those features seem useful, but many programs have them. | Jul 14 00:52 |
| AVRS | Probably not filesystems though, since they concern metadata and that can easily be lost. | Jul 14 00:53 |
| MinceR | also, microshit was and still is incapable of developing them | Jul 14 00:53 |
| AVRS | Maybe photo collection managers (similar to filesystems) have them. | Jul 14 00:54 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #techrights Links 14/7/2020: #ClawsMail 3.17.6 and #RSSGuard 3.7.0 Released http://techrights.org/2020/07/13/rss-guard-3-7-0-release/ #gnu #linux [https://pleroma.site/objects/5f6698ad-6340-40b5-a44e-01090210819f] | Jul 14 00:54 | |
| schestowitz | 63,881 cases | Jul 14 00:56 |
| schestowitz | US: from 50.5k new covid19 cases to 63,881 new cases is one week. Growth for 9th day in a row. | Jul 14 00:58 |
| AVRS | schestowitz: do subreddit mods usually say who and why did the ban? | Jul 14 00:59 |
| AVRS | How does Planet Debian Uncensored work? | Jul 14 01:01 |
| AVRS | Apparently a normal Planet Debian. So just aggregating directly from the blogs? | Jul 14 01:02 |
| schestowitz | it adds some devs | Jul 14 01:04 |
| schestowitz | who were removed from it | Jul 14 01:04 |
| schestowitz | so it's the same plus extras | Jul 14 01:04 |
| schestowitz | daniel pocock has not been vocal lately, though... | Jul 14 01:04 |
| schestowitz | so I don't know how long his 2/3 sites will go on for like that | Jul 14 01:04 |
| AVRS | So nobody knows how many projects or developers GNU has? | Jul 14 01:12 |
| AVRS | Originally, I was looking for that as a potentially useful addition to the Wikipedia article on RMS. | Jul 14 01:13 |
| AVRS | Since it had said "a public letter by maintainers of the GNU project" (now with a number and "developers" instead). | Jul 14 01:15 |
| AVRS | https://anarc.at/blog/2020-07-13-not-recommending-purism/ | Jul 14 01:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-anarc.at | Not recommending Purism - anarcat | Jul 14 01:17 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I went on a comedy spree in GNULinuxLovers. | Jul 14 01:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's absolutely never benign when some project unveils a CoC. It means bad stuff is about to happen and they'll point at their CoC after swinging their CoC around a bit. If you laugh at their CoC when they pull it out, you're really in trouble. Many projects end up chasing away developers and ending up with people who abide by the CoC and stroke each other's CoC, but then they end up choking on their own CoC when the | Jul 14 01:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | amass bugs and can't be bothered with them or don't understand the code. It's fitting that they end up with too much CoC, because I think that's what the women were complaining of to begin with.... :) | Jul 14 01:22 |
| XRevan86 | postmaster@ | Jul 14 01:25 |
| AVRS | XRevan86: ? | Jul 14 01:28 |
| XRevan86 | AVRS: Just something that no one thought to cancel yet. | Jul 14 01:29 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Agh, I got sunburned. | Jul 14 01:36 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/candid#English | Jul 14 01:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | candid - Wiktionary | Jul 14 01:46 | |
| XRevan86 | A positive spin on (bright) white. | Jul 14 01:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So Kevin Kofler maintained KDE Falkon on Fedora. | Jul 14 01:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Rex Dieter said he was thinking about throwing it out of the KDE spin and only shipping Firefox. | Jul 14 01:48 |
| XRevan86 | Offensive terminology is everywhere, like: "Release Candidate". | Jul 14 01:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | How is that offensive? | Jul 14 01:49 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: From Latin for shining white. | Jul 14 01:50 |
| XRevan86 | As bad as "wh*telist". | Jul 14 01:51 |
| XRevan86 | Too much sarcasm even for me, I'll go to sleep. Good night. | Jul 14 01:52 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I had an English book that had an entire chapter called "Being niggardly with the paddywagon.". That's a paddlin'. | Jul 14 02:52 |
| AVRS | In Russian, police cars are sometimes called party vans now. | Jul 14 02:54 |
| AVRS | Maybe it's about those where bad stuff happens to those arrested. | Jul 14 02:55 |
| AVRS | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_bus | Jul 14 02:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Party bus - Wikipedia | Jul 14 02:55 | |
| insmodppa | AVRS: The term "party van" likely comes from 4chan in the early '00s, referring to FBI/police surveillance trucks. | Jul 14 02:58 |
| AVRS | http://lurkmore.to/%D0%9F%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BD (a 2ch-originated meme wiki) says it's from "paddywagon". | Jul 14 02:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lurkmore.to | Пативэн — Lurkmore | Jul 14 02:59 | |
| AVRS | https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/paddy_wagon | Jul 14 02:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | paddy wagon - Wiktionary | Jul 14 02:59 | |
| AVRS | "A police van for transporting prisoners." | Jul 14 03:00 |
| AVRS | Or, it says, from 4chan indeed. Also that in Australian slang, police cars are called "party van" or "disco van". | Jul 14 03:02 |
| AVRS | (because of the emergency lighting) | Jul 14 03:02 |
| AVRS | "He’s gone to the blue disco party" | Jul 14 03:03 |
| AVRS | Also, a message from a proprietary game, at a level where you have to run from something, is quoted: "A party associate will arrive shortly to collect you for your party. Make no further attempt to leave the testing area. Assume the «Party Escort Submission Position» or you will miss the party." | Jul 14 03:05 |
| AVRS | They say that in China, there is an euphemism for being at the police: drinking tea. | Jul 14 03:08 |
| AVRS | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liao_Yiwu "Ever since my return from Germany last year, I have been closely monitored. The police have "invited me to drink tea" many times. My writing has been repeatedly interrupted." | Jul 14 03:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Liao Yiwu - Wikipedia | Jul 14 03:08 | |
| AVRS | (I don't know who that is) | Jul 14 03:09 |
| AVRS | insmodppa: why surveillance trucks? | Jul 14 03:11 |
| AVRS | insmodppa: are they just white like this? ("Little Brother" mentioned a white surveillance van) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:M1035_Freightliner_Standard_Party_Bus_Exterior_-_picture_taken_in_Chicago.jpg | Jul 14 03:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | File:M1035 Freightliner Standard Party Bus Exterior - picture taken in Chicago.jpg - Wikipedia | Jul 14 03:13 | |
| insmodppa | No idea, but people like to joke about them alot. You'd often see "FBI surveillance truck" used as wifi names. | Jul 14 03:15 |
| insmodppa | A humorous symptom of the pervasive state/corporate mass-surveillance complex. | Jul 14 03:17 |
| AVRS | Unrelated: Is amixer the right tool to switch audio from speakers to headphones for the night? | Jul 14 03:18 |
| AVRS | ALSA disables headphone audio when I switch to or from VC (or maybe to a different X server), so I disabled that in cron at some point, but it just hit me… | Jul 14 03:19 |
| AVRS | Actually, ALSA does not disable anything at those events, so I don't know why. | Jul 14 03:21 |
| AVRS | IRC is bad for you. | Jul 14 03:22 |
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| AVRS | I've seen an advice like "vet all claims you make very carefully", but I cannot find it. It could be in ProducingOSS by Karl Fogel, but apparently not in the current version. | Jul 14 03:32 |
| AVRS | But how does one do that? RMS had a bot in the past that slowed his Web surfing down, but probably nothing for writing. How do you do that when writing e-mail (you can use drafts, but what about the links you have to read before citing?), of forum posts (no drafts in the browser), and especially on IRC (no drafts, inconvenient single-line editor where you lose your message if you don't post | Jul 14 03:35 |
| AVRS | it)? | Jul 14 03:35 |
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| AVRS | Like, maybe a Thunderbird and Firefox addon that would prevent sending a message before each of the sentences is marked as proofread on several points individually? | Jul 14 03:50 |
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| AVRS | tsk… "FOAAS (Fuck Off As A Service) provides a modern, RESTful, scalable solution to the common problem of telling people to fuck off." | Jul 14 03:59 |
| AVRS | Maybe confidence and importance tags like Gwern uses, so that messages with low confidence or importance are sent much later than those with higher ones. | Jul 14 04:17 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | <AVRS ""A police van for transporting p"> I am taking these prisoners, to imprison them, in prison. | Jul 14 05:10 |
| kingoffrance | cherries and berries | Jul 14 05:13 |
| kingoffrance | i think you just can criticize certain companies nowadays -- because they are all "partners" | Jul 14 05:13 |
| kingoffrance | s/just can/just cant/ | Jul 14 05:14 |
| kingoffrance | so if you say something bad about ms, that is not "community spirit" | Jul 14 05:14 |
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| schestowitz | [01:15] <AVRS> Since it had said "a public letter by maintainers of the GNU project" (now with a number and "developers" instead). | Jul 14 06:17 |
| schestowitz | Many are IBM/Red Hat employees | Jul 14 06:17 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/06/05/guix-petition/ | Jul 14 06:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Guix Petition Demographic Data, by Figosdev | Techrights | Jul 14 06:17 | |
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| AVRS | schestowitz: have many GNU devs supported RMS publicly? I've seen one in the GUIX mailing complain about the discussion leaking (by the project maintainer, IIRC) from private lists into public space. | Jul 14 06:28 |
| AVRS | *mailing list | Jul 14 06:28 |
| AVRS | schestowitz: 7 work for Red Hat… Not many of 33. | Jul 14 06:31 |
| AVRS | Having a GitHub account is probably bad at FSF, but GNU is too big? | Jul 14 06:31 |
| AVRS | Contributing at GitHub may include bug reports. | Jul 14 06:32 |
| AVRS | Of course, some use LibreJS… | Jul 14 06:32 |
| AVRS | What is FFI and what's bad about it? | Jul 14 06:35 |
| AVRS | The FFI in MIT/GNU Scheme? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIT/GNU_Scheme | Jul 14 06:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | MIT/GNU Scheme - Wikipedia | Jul 14 06:37 | |
| AVRS | Of course, the list with counts that you posted says nothing about how those sets intersect. | Jul 14 06:39 |
| schestowitz | AVRS: there must be thousand of devs inc. part-timers | Jul 14 06:42 |
| schestowitz | and past ones | Jul 14 06:42 |
| AVRS | k | Jul 14 06:44 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: | Jul 14 06:45 |
| schestowitz | > The symbolism of an outstanding contributor being taken down by a guy named Rex is kind of priceless. | Jul 14 06:45 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 14 06:45 |
| schestowitz | > Conspiracy theorists lap this stuff up, because they sometimes see a deliberate pattern where none exists. Pareidolia (a pattern bias) is a real thing-- finding smiley faces in literally random patterns is just one example. | Jul 14 06:45 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 14 06:45 |
| schestowitz | > But then there is fallacy fallacy. An assumption may be stupid or fallacious, but not all assumptions that appear stupid or fallacious are necessarily wrong (some certainly are-- accuracy matters). | Jul 14 06:45 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 14 06:45 |
| schestowitz | > When you find a pattern like a guy named Rex bringing the hammer down on an innocent person, it's probably nothing. I mean that sincerely. But sociopaths do occasionally take great pleasure in symbolism-- as a sort of victory lap, or like referring to some of the most un-American legislation in the history of the USA as the "PATRIOT ACT"-- and coming up with a name for that acronym that is at least as long-winded and contrived as | Jul 14 06:45 |
| schestowitz | anything you could accuse me of saying here. | Jul 14 06:45 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 14 06:45 |
| schestowitz | > Chances are, the Rex thing is just a sweet coincidence to savour the absurdity of. Unless of course, Rex thinks himself King. That would explain a few things. More likely, there is some other coincidence similar to this example that is deliberate. I think most of these things are probably not. But there is a myth that some breed of intellectuals exist that never waste time on frivolous nonsense. | Jul 14 06:45 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 14 06:45 |
| schestowitz | > I've never met a person like that, but I've met plenty of people who insist that such a person exists. | Jul 14 06:45 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/18564801#6f575d00a76601382dbd268acd52edbf | Jul 14 06:46 |
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| schestowitz | "I don’t care if “the media” behaves this way. by the way, there are a bunch of linux focused newspapers, blogs, homepages and magazines out there, What is the founder talking about." | Jul 14 06:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | The Media Does Not Like Talking About Linux (Which It Doesn’t Understand Anyway). It Makes the News All About Linus. | Techrights | Jul 14 06:46 | |
| *psydread should get a dog and call it Rex | Jul 14 06:53 | |
| schestowitz | scientes might have one for you... unwanted puppy that eats poo, apparently... | Jul 14 06:53 |
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| schestowitz | https://anarc.at/hardware/laptop/purism-librem13v4/#bullshit-crowdfunding | Jul 14 07:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-anarc.at | purism-librem13v4 - anarcat | Jul 14 07:28 | |
| schestowitz | "We worked day and night but Todd's partner (the company in South San Francisco that assembles Librems and also is man in the middle for China were all parts get produced and then shipped to California) were being mostly silent to us." | Jul 14 07:28 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 14 07:29 |
| schestowitz | The Librem 5 is being marketed as a real thing, a "Security and Privacy Focused Phone", "made for you in mind", where "you" is basically everyone: "parents", "developers", "enterprises, businesses and organizations of all sizes", "CTOs/CIOs/IT and technology enthusiasts in general". Yet in the developer updates, we learn that the latest Dogwood update now features amazing new features like "multiple hours" battery, "more reliable | Jul 14 07:29 |
| schestowitz | charging", and "app thumbnails". The previous batch, chestnut had exciting stuff like a charging LED, a writable microSD card, and working phone calls... | Jul 14 07:29 |
| schestowitz | So I call bullshit on that too: the Librem 5 is not a phone. It's a dev board with a fancy case which happens to make phone calls, if you hold it the right way, with the power cable plugged in. | Jul 14 07:29 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 14 07:29 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Jul 14 07:29 |
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| kingoffrance | where are you seeing FFI AVRS ? | Jul 14 07:35 |
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| kingoffrance | ffi is a fancy word, it means "we have all these other languages, but kernel and libc are still c, so we need to call back and forth" | Jul 14 07:36 |
| kingoffrance | its kind of where scripting languages hit reality | Jul 14 07:36 |
| kingoffrance | and the illusion that they are self-contained disappears | Jul 14 07:36 |
| kingoffrance | (not always) | Jul 14 07:36 |
| kingoffrance | (sometimes they do compile down to "bare metal") | Jul 14 07:37 |
| kingoffrance | (but then ppl still want to run their old c programs sometimes, so ffi again) | Jul 14 07:38 |
| kingoffrance | if its a tiny dog call it rex; if its a big dog call it tiny | Jul 14 07:38 |
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| schestowitz | WIL linking to article from 4 years ago and reproducing parts of it | Jul 14 07:50 |
| schestowitz | http://www.womeninlinux.com/index.php/2020/07/07/cockroach-labs-diy-jepsen-testing-cockroachdb/ | Jul 14 07:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.womeninlinux.com | Cockroach Labs | DIY Jepsen Testing CockroachDB - Women in Linux | Jul 14 07:50 | |
| schestowitz | the other new posts link to Microsoft GitHub | Jul 14 07:50 |
| schestowitz | not exactly a positive sign | Jul 14 07:50 |
| schestowitz | GH: http://www.womeninlinux.com/index.php/2020/07/13/an-ultimate-kubernetes-hands-on-labs/ | Jul 14 07:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.womeninlinux.com | An Ultimate Kubernetes Hands-on Labs - Women in Linux | Jul 14 07:51 | |
| schestowitz | also GH: http://www.womeninlinux.com/index.php/2020/07/13/3939/ | Jul 14 07:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.womeninlinux.com | - Women in Linux | Jul 14 07:51 | |
| schestowitz | and almost no words, just a link | Jul 14 07:51 |
| schestowitz | This one is not GH | Jul 14 07:51 |
| schestowitz | http://www.womeninlinux.com/index.php/2020/07/11/codeacademy/ | Jul 14 07:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 14 07:52 |
| schestowitz | Codecademy is an education company. But not one in the way you might think. We’re committed to building the best learning experience inside and out, making Codecademy the best place for our team to learn, teach, and create the online learning experience of the future. | Jul 14 07:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.womeninlinux.com | Codecademy - Women in Linux | Jul 14 07:52 | |
| schestowitz | Education is old. The current public school system in the US dates back to the 19th century and wasn’t designed to scale the way it has. Lots of companies are working to “disrupt” education by changing the way things work in the classroom and by bringing the classroom online. | Jul 14 07:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 14 07:52 |
| schestowitz | https://blog.ipfire.org/post/german-bill-provides-network-traffic-redirection-to-install-state-trojans | Jul 14 07:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.ipfire.org - German bill provides network traffic redirection to install state trojans | Jul 14 07:55 | |
| kingoffrance | eh "companies" "public" it just seems another private ppl running "public" services | Jul 14 07:56 |
| kingoffrance | or wanting to | Jul 14 07:57 |
| kingoffrance | the line is blurry | Jul 14 07:57 |
| kingoffrance | even bouviers 1856 notes this -- you have private people, get limited liability (public gov. grants them special powers) then they may be publically traded... for private profit, ..... | Jul 14 07:58 |
| kingoffrance | i think those words always meant little, moreso now | Jul 14 07:58 |
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| kingoffrance | a gov. of the people, by the people, for the people...starts private of course too, then goes "public" | Jul 14 07:59 |
| kingoffrance | the lines be blurry | Jul 14 07:59 |
| kingoffrance | point being (so i am not just whining) : always look to see which component or who they are claiming is public or private | Jul 14 08:00 |
| kingoffrance | or "at what point" | Jul 14 08:00 |
| kingoffrance | because they seem to shift IMO | Jul 14 08:00 |
| kingoffrance | you have same org in different capacities perhaps | Jul 14 08:01 |
| kingoffrance | so you want to see who is on each side of transactions | Jul 14 08:01 |
| kingoffrance | e.g. publically traded....for private profit | Jul 14 08:02 |
| kingoffrance | you can call that "going public" or "private" depending on which part you focus on | Jul 14 08:02 |
| kingoffrance | bouviers actually says look who owns the stock ...even a public gov. bank is private (e.g. the fed) under that ...even if there is legislation saying they exist for "public purposes" | Jul 14 08:04 |
| kingoffrance | in that sense, EVERYTHING is private | Jul 14 08:04 |
| kingoffrance | if its at all interfaced with finance | Jul 14 08:04 |
| kingoffrance | theres some women in bsd thing too but i dont follow such | Jul 14 08:05 |
| kingoffrance | or, you know, private charter schools, getting public funds | Jul 14 08:06 |
| kingoffrance | are they public or private? BOTH | Jul 14 08:06 |
| kingoffrance | that is only honest answer IMO | Jul 14 08:06 |
| schestowitz | "Every day, when I walk back to my “healing bench,” the place I fix my kids toys or things I break around the house, I see my extra, empty bread-bin box Commodore 64 shell. It has been sitting empty since sometime in the early 90s" https://cubiclenate.com/2020/07/14/mechboard64-replacement-commodore-64-keyboard/ | Jul 14 08:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-MechBoard64 | Replacement Commodore 64 Keyboard – CubicleNate's Techpad | Jul 14 08:06 | |
| kingoffrance | the public funds themselves are "private" bouviers fed-wise though | Jul 14 08:06 |
| kingoffrance | private dollars declared public dollars too | Jul 14 08:07 |
| kingoffrance | BOTH | Jul 14 08:07 |
| schestowitz | same old twists of logic | Jul 14 08:14 |
| kingoffrance | i think its always been schizo and "patriots" get this wrong often | Jul 14 08:14 |
| schestowitz | even oil companies are being subsidised | Jul 14 08:14 |
| schestowitz | i.e. can operate at a loss, at taxpayers' expenses | Jul 14 08:15 |
| kingoffrance | republic has been said res == thing, for the public good, but then they wanted to keep private/natural rights | Jul 14 08:15 |
| schestowitz | some universities give patents to trolls -- patents funded by the public | Jul 14 08:15 |
| kingoffrance | law merchant == commercial. but stick it on land, call it municipal, now its public | Jul 14 08:15 |
| kingoffrance | cuz it has (more) gov. blessing | Jul 14 08:15 |
| kingoffrance | has gone from international -> national | Jul 14 08:15 |
| schestowitz | they say the nation 'steals' by nationalising companies | Jul 14 08:16 |
| kingoffrance | lol | Jul 14 08:16 |
| schestowitz | failing to see that states passing off PUBLIC assets to private companies in the first place is looting | Jul 14 08:16 |
| schestowitz | at a massive scale | Jul 14 08:16 |
| kingoffrance | yeah ppl point out you can "nationalize" while making still be under private control | Jul 14 08:16 |
| schestowitz | done a lot here over the years, first rail, not public healthcare | Jul 14 08:16 |
| kingoffrance | so even that...depends on their definition of "nationalize" | Jul 14 08:16 |
| kingoffrance | did you really benefit the public | Jul 14 08:16 |
| kingoffrance | or just give private ppl control over public purse/whatever | Jul 14 08:16 |
| schestowitz | you manufacture very rich people | Jul 14 08:17 |
| schestowitz | and then say how good the country is | Jul 14 08:17 |
| kingoffrance | yep | Jul 14 08:17 |
| schestowitz | because it makes some people very rich | Jul 14 08:17 |
| schestowitz | like musk, branson | Jul 14 08:17 |
| kingoffrance | its a deliberate thing | Jul 14 08:17 |
| schestowitz | "success stories" | Jul 14 08:17 |
| schestowitz | they succeeded | Jul 14 08:17 |
| kingoffrance | convince ppl your private stuff is for the public good | Jul 14 08:17 |
| kingoffrance | an old tactic | Jul 14 08:17 |
| kingoffrance | of monopolists | Jul 14 08:17 |
| schestowitz | at making the state fund them | Jul 14 08:17 |
| schestowitz | at our collective expense | Jul 14 08:17 |
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| kingoffrance | ^^^^^^^^ | Jul 14 08:20 |
| kingoffrance | i said in another channel | Jul 14 08:20 |
| kingoffrance | lets apply finance rules to copyright | Jul 14 08:20 |
| kingoffrance | defendant: i pirated x copies of this movie cuz there wasnt enough to trade judge: keep up the good commerce | Jul 14 08:20 |
| kingoffrance | defendant: but all the interets went back into the public treasury judge: MPAA has no right to complain then | Jul 14 08:20 |
| kingoffrance | defendant: i kept the principal, i dont work for free judge: yep, were not communists here | Jul 14 08:21 |
| kingoffrance | defendant: i have 1:20 ratio of legit purchased movies to unauthorized copies i am selling/loaning/charging admission for judge: thats the law, you are within ratios | Jul 14 08:21 |
| kingoffrance | it looks batshit insane if you apply it to anything else | Jul 14 08:22 |
| kingoffrance | defendant: i dont get why the movie studios are whining judge: why dont they just enter the movie bank business instead of being envious | Jul 14 08:23 |
| kingoffrance | defendant: who is going to make movies then? judge: you arent supposed to ask that question | Jul 14 08:24 |
| kingoffrance | some digital bits are more equal than others | Jul 14 08:26 |
| oiaohm | kingoffrance: finance has rules against duplicating things without correct permissions like money. | Jul 14 08:28 |
| oiaohm | copyright and banknotes/checks have a lot in legal common when it comes to coping issues. | Jul 14 08:30 |
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| schestowitz | I think this is the Black Duck founder from Microsoft https://twitter.com/techdel | Jul 14 08:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mobile.twitter.com | Doug Levin (@techdel) on Twitter | Jul 14 08:38 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/techdel/status/1071158290606784512 | Jul 14 08:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@techdel: .@Microsoft, one of my clients, is stepping forward to call for baseline regulation of #AI and #FacialRecognition.… https://t.co/4KqqfeIylA | Jul 14 08:39 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/techdel/status/954414816461963264 | Jul 14 08:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@techdel: I've been following this tech #privacy case pretty closely. https://t.co/qgyt6f6Tif | Jul 14 08:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BradSmi: Something extraordinary has happened in D.C. People who typically don’t agree came together to ask @SCOTUS to let C… https://t.co/xQGC4yhjdN | Jul 14 08:39 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/techdel/status/831981119700471808 | Jul 14 08:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@techdel: Ambitious but worthy proposal at #RSAC for a Digital Geneva Convention - global rules on cybersecurity https://t.co/T9ZATK7DOv | Jul 14 08:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> blogs.microsoft.com | The need for a Digital Geneva Convention - Microsoft on the Issues | Jul 14 08:39 | |
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| kingoffrance | that i thought was great but probably doesnt pass coc https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/quest | Jul 14 08:48 |
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| kingoffrance | the "bro" is the clincher | Jul 14 08:50 |
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| scientes | kingoffrance, sup bro | Jul 14 09:43 |
| schestowitz | People who say "bro" is offensive | Jul 14 09:45 |
| schestowitz | might also say "nigger" when said by a black person is offensive | Jul 14 09:45 |
| schestowitz | so people who dismiss bro as bad word might themselves be racist | Jul 14 09:46 |
| schestowitz | and totally fail to comprehend african-american psyche | Jul 14 09:46 |
| scientes | schestowitz, sup bro | Jul 14 09:46 |
| schestowitz | (which is true for a lot of people who think banning words would abolish or eliminate the practices these words refer to) | Jul 14 09:46 |
| scientes | but "bro" is racist | Jul 14 09:46 |
| schestowitz | depends | Jul 14 09:47 |
| schestowitz | how you say it | Jul 14 09:47 |
| scientes | because your bro is your bro, bro | Jul 14 09:47 |
| schestowitz | all about context | Jul 14 09:47 |
| schestowitz | if you're a non-black impersonating a black, maybe.. | Jul 14 09:47 |
| *scientes is being facicious | Jul 14 09:47 | |
| scientes | I'm not talking about that | Jul 14 09:47 |
| scientes | a bro is your race, by definition | Jul 14 09:47 |
| schestowitz | "bernie bros" | Jul 14 09:47 |
| MinceR | sup bros | Jul 14 09:47 |
| schestowitz | (well, many african-americans do support Bernie) | Jul 14 09:47 |
| scientes | *by definition* | Jul 14 09:47 |
| scientes | schestowitz, they are bros | Jul 14 09:47 |
| schestowitz | (he supports them quite genuinely and promotes their interests, in the economic sense and policing stance) | Jul 14 09:48 |
| scientes | I've been around a bunch of kids recently, and even the sisters are bros | Jul 14 09:48 |
| kingoffrance | it doesnt bother me so long as ppl arent implying masonry | Jul 14 09:48 |
| kingoffrance | so i agree with schestowitz | Jul 14 09:50 |
| schestowitz | scientes: "sister sites" | Jul 14 09:50 |
| kingoffrance | it concerns me during advent of code | Jul 14 09:50 |
| schestowitz | I wonder how this phrase came about | Jul 14 09:50 |
| kingoffrance | otherwise its not a huge deal | Jul 14 09:51 |
| schestowitz | media uses that | Jul 14 09:51 |
| schestowitz | the media owners | Jul 14 09:51 |
| MinceR | bro sites | Jul 14 09:51 |
| schestowitz | Maybe the trans community will also demand renaming some utility boxes | Jul 14 09:52 |
| schestowitz | "male", "female" sockets | Jul 14 09:52 |
| schestowitz | not inclusive enough | Jul 14 09:52 |
| schestowitz | "primary" and "secondary" | Jul 14 09:52 |
| schestowitz | put the screw in the "primary" | Jul 14 09:52 |
| schestowitz | "the what?" | Jul 14 09:52 |
| schestowitz | The primacy, bro | Jul 14 09:52 |
| schestowitz | sorry | Jul 14 09:52 |
| schestowitz | I mean, person | Jul 14 09:52 |
| MinceR | "screw" is going to offend someone eventually | Jul 14 09:53 |
| MinceR | after all, we're not allowed to say "fuck" so we say "screw" | Jul 14 09:53 |
| schestowitz | some people use dildos with strap-ons | Jul 14 09:53 |
| schestowitz | so screw is now not a gendered thing | Jul 14 09:53 |
| MinceR | then again, i hear "bad words" cause more trauma in the other tribe :> | Jul 14 09:53 |
| kingoffrance | i should clarify: the cartoon i thought was great becaues "bro" not because i thought "bro" would fail coc, maybe i didnt explain well | Jul 14 09:54 |
| kingoffrance | the "bro" just added to the effect | Jul 14 09:54 |
| MinceR | failing the CoC on purpose sounds like a good strategy | Jul 14 09:54 |
| kingoffrance | the rest of the cartoon i thought might fail coc | Jul 14 09:54 |
| kingoffrance | lol | Jul 14 09:54 |
| schestowitz | is said "banging" iirc | Jul 14 09:54 |
| MinceR | it deprives crybullies of enjoyment of the content | Jul 14 09:54 |
| schestowitz | removing the words would not change the nature of intercourse | Jul 14 09:54 |
| schestowitz | nor the courting | Jul 14 09:55 |
| schestowitz | unless we ban courting and leave it all for "HEY HI" algos to determine for us | Jul 14 09:55 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: yeah, so expect "bit-banging" to be banned in the future | Jul 14 09:55 |
| kingoffrance | yeah but nowadays theyll say its sexism, etc. | Jul 14 09:55 |
| schestowitz | bang is not a curse word | Jul 14 09:55 |
| MinceR | yet. | Jul 14 09:56 |
| schestowitz | it's also a name | Jul 14 09:56 |
| schestowitz | bang and olufson | Jul 14 09:56 |
| MinceR | funniest audio equipment brand | Jul 14 09:56 |
| schestowitz | if you ban the word, you harm some people's names and connotation of those names | Jul 14 09:56 |
| MinceR | do crybullies and advocates of Patriotic Correctness care about that? | Jul 14 09:56 |
| schestowitz | like a shop with the name "bang" being "funny" or "sexist" or "sadistic" | Jul 14 09:56 |
| schestowitz | bang is also a connecting word in Tagalog | Jul 14 09:56 |
| schestowitz | it's a sound... it's a lot of things... with just one vowel it's inevitable | Jul 14 09:57 |
| schestowitz | maybe mr. bang should posthumously change name | Jul 14 09:57 |
| schestowitz | to Mr. Plantatiob | Jul 14 09:57 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 14 09:57 |
| schestowitz | aka "Uncle Plantations" | Jul 14 09:57 |
| schestowitz | I actually respect blacks more when I buy a good produce called "Uncle" something | Jul 14 09:58 |
| kingoffrance | nowadays instead of the cartoon being "knight doesnt really care about the quest" it will be "makes women uncomfortable" -> coc violation | Jul 14 09:58 |
| kingoffrance | thats what i meant | Jul 14 09:58 |
| schestowitz | I really don't see how renaming those things can somehow improve their image | Jul 14 09:58 |
| schestowitz | they're good at cooking, how is that a BAD thing? | Jul 14 09:58 |
| schestowitz | soon enough all history books would be banned | Jul 14 09:59 |
| schestowitz | like old books that used the n word | Jul 14 09:59 |
| schestowitz | if they use words like "Uncle Tom" or "plantations"... | Jul 14 09:59 |
| schestowitz | then schools would abolish the books | Jul 14 09:59 |
| schestowitz | and some idiots would rewrite history | Jul 14 09:59 |
| schestowitz | with "gentle"language that makes slavery look like a joy ride | Jul 14 10:00 |
| schestowitz | maybe they should also ban words like ghetto | Jul 14 10:00 |
| schestowitz | they already phase out "urban" | Jul 14 10:00 |
| schestowitz | though the black rappers themselves use the word | Jul 14 10:00 |
| schestowitz | and not appropriating it | Jul 14 10:00 |
| schestowitz | when you remove the words that black people themselves are using, how are you helping? | Jul 14 10:00 |
| schestowitz | heck, soon they might say that showing a black person can harm their image | Jul 14 10:01 |
| schestowitz | or that all villains in pop culture must always be white | Jul 14 10:01 |
| schestowitz | this misguided insane drive of censorship is short-sighted | Jul 14 10:01 |
| schestowitz | they have no plan | Jul 14 10:01 |
| schestowitz | they have no rational | Jul 14 10:01 |
| schestowitz | They run around with a hammer | Jul 14 10:01 |
| schestowitz | and they already know what's Right(TM) | Jul 14 10:01 |
| schestowitz | without bothering to consult those whom they supposedly "protect" | Jul 14 10:02 |
| MinceR | they're leaving their mark on the world by breaking things | Jul 14 10:02 |
| MinceR | they're trying to exercise authority on people who do useful things | Jul 14 10:03 |
| *schestowitz not even remotely Conservative, but that still makes no sense to the pro-speech left | Jul 14 10:03 | |
| *schestowitz back to writing | Jul 14 10:04 | |
| schestowitz | the above MAY be taken out of context | Jul 14 10:04 |
| schestowitz | so it's good we publish all IRC logs (for context to be shown) | Jul 14 10:04 |
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| MinceR | (audio:relevant music) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/04/25/c259f0dbd5c610cb.mp4 | Jul 14 10:38 |
| kingoffrance | well its alchemy run amok -- they think transforming language will transform society | Jul 14 10:38 |
| MinceR | if they succeed, they will transform society into ruins | Jul 14 10:39 |
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| XRevan86 | kingoffrance: You call it alchemy, I call it OCD | Jul 14 10:42 |
| kingoffrance | well the problem is they are aimed at <entire world> instead of <me> <my family> <my company> | Jul 14 10:44 |
| kingoffrance | thats just witchcraft | Jul 14 10:44 |
| kingoffrance | its not consensual | Jul 14 10:44 |
| kingoffrance | its trickery | Jul 14 10:44 |
| kingoffrance | and "for your own good" | Jul 14 10:44 |
| kingoffrance | its occult theocracy | Jul 14 10:45 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: seems like an MIT project :) | Jul 14 10:45 |
| schestowitz | their cup of tea | Jul 14 10:45 |
| schestowitz | or maybe JHU | Jul 14 10:45 |
| schestowitz | or CMU | Jul 14 10:45 |
| schestowitz | "elite" colleges for elite Empire | Jul 14 10:45 |
| MinceR | i would have expected elite colleges to do meaningful and productive things instead | Jul 14 10:46 |
| schestowitz | no money in that | Jul 14 10:48 |
| MinceR | sad | Jul 14 10:48 |
| schestowitz | money is in power, oppression, pillage and plunder | Jul 14 10:48 |
| schestowitz | ask Nadella | Jul 14 10:48 |
| schestowitz | sucking up to Orange Nazi | Jul 14 10:48 |
| MinceR | yeah, but none of those things are going to stop the next threat from wiping out the human species | Jul 14 10:48 |
| MinceR | you could develop a rocket to stop an asteroid impact from killing all humans... or you could campaign to have 'master' renamed to something else | Jul 14 10:49 |
| MinceR | the former is, of course, too challenging for crybullies | Jul 14 10:49 |
| kingoffrance | its another private/public thing i think: public projects/orgs/whoever, private codes -- its all voluntary -- but not actual public law -- it is "public policy" of various orgs | Jul 14 10:53 |
| kingoffrance | if it was actual public law | Jul 14 10:53 |
| kingoffrance | youd have one coc | Jul 14 10:53 |
| kingoffrance | not x for every org | Jul 14 10:53 |
| MinceR | i'd rather have 0 CoCs | Jul 14 10:53 |
| kingoffrance | so thats why i say nonconsensual | Jul 14 10:53 |
| kingoffrance | i dont think they could get it passed into real law | Jul 14 10:54 |
| kingoffrance | but they can shimmy into "contracts" | Jul 14 10:54 |
| kingoffrance | that are voluntary | Jul 14 10:54 |
| kingoffrance | "bundling" | Jul 14 10:54 |
| kingoffrance | theres just no "non-coc area" | Jul 14 10:55 |
| kingoffrance | ie they just wont contract with you /let you work on the project if you dont accept that clause | Jul 14 10:56 |
| kingoffrance | so its about illusion of consent IMO | Jul 14 10:56 |
| kingoffrance | "but you agreed, dont complain" | Jul 14 10:56 |
| MinceR | it's better to fork then | Jul 14 10:57 |
| schestowitz | https://lunduke.com/posts/2020-07-03/ | Jul 14 10:57 |
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| schestowitz | https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/16179/rape-victims-racism | Jul 14 11:03 |
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| kingoffrance | its actually something i find hypocritical of some bsd ppl, who say gpl uses "the system" --- well, if you have a coc, you have stooped to that level too | Jul 14 11:11 |
| MinceR | afaik freebsd is the only bsd that stooped to that level | Jul 14 11:12 |
| kingoffrance | thats good to know | Jul 14 11:12 |
| MinceR | but then all bsd licenses rely on copyright, so they all use "the system" | Jul 14 11:12 |
| kingoffrance | yep | Jul 14 11:12 |
| MinceR | it's just that it wouldn't be much different if there was no "system" | Jul 14 11:12 |
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| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/04/25/b87ec42e080b6393.png | Jul 14 11:49 |
| XRevan86 | Elvish Preshley | Jul 14 11:52 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 14 11:52 |
| MinceR | https://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/card/details.aspx?multiverseid=9669 | Jul 14 11:52 |
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| schestowitz | lol | Jul 14 11:57 |
| schestowitz | Welshish | Jul 14 11:57 |
| schestowitz | Welshish Kebab | Jul 14 11:57 |
| kingoffrance | well i apologize if it seems i go on and on...coc creates a wall whereby any code you import from elsewhere...is going to need scrubbed/mr cleaned/sanitized for double plus goodness ...so i think it is not overreacting at all to say free software needs free speech, because code is speech -- without free speech you dont have free code/software | Jul 14 12:17 |
| kingoffrance | s/you import/they import/ | Jul 14 12:17 |
| kingoffrance | its kind of creating a situation whereby if they dont get <everyone> on board, they are creating a wall | Jul 14 12:18 |
| kingoffrance | in that senes, the 'efficiency' they claim only applies if they dont import any code from anyone ever | Jul 14 12:19 |
| kingoffrance | cuz now thats more work -- scrubbing it for cleanliness | Jul 14 12:19 |
| schestowitz | #include <inclusiveness> | Jul 14 12:20 |
| kingoffrance | s/wall/curtain/ | Jul 14 12:21 |
| kingoffrance | my point being -- not just a separation of people -- but code too | Jul 14 12:22 |
| schestowitz | they call it code of conflict | Jul 14 12:26 |
| schestowitz | in the kernel | Jul 14 12:26 |
| schestowitz | maybe because it's designed to cause unnecessary conflict | Jul 14 12:26 |
| schestowitz | rather than prevent that | Jul 14 12:26 |
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| MinceR | well, as far as code imported from elsewhere goes, they can either ignore any insulting comments/names in it (as they don't get to fire anyone from the project for it, except whoever imported it), or they can have one of their alibi "coders" do search/replaces on it | Jul 14 12:27 |
| schestowitz | import code from Microsoft | Jul 14 12:27 |
| schestowitz | With "BIG BOOBS" inside the code | Jul 14 12:27 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 14 12:27 |
| schestowitz | Very professional, too | Jul 14 12:27 |
| MinceR | it would have to be free though, which microsloth rarely does | Jul 14 12:27 |
| schestowitz | free drivers | Jul 14 12:27 |
| schestowitz | for blobs with back doors | Jul 14 12:28 |
| schestowitz | like hyperv | Jul 14 12:28 |
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| XRevan86 | https://oreilly.com/library/view/managing-using/0596002114/ch01s02.html http://twpug.net/docs/mysql323/manual_Unireg.html : unireg existed since 1979 | Jul 14 13:19 |
| XRevan86 | https://mariadb.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/MySQL-MariaDB-story.pdf (slide 21): unireg existed since 1981 | Jul 14 13:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.oreilly.com | 1.2. The History of MySQL - Managing & Using MySQL, 2nd Edition [Book] | Jul 14 13:19 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-twpug.net | MySQL Reference Manual for version 3.23.7-alpha. - I What is Unireg? | Jul 14 13:19 | |
| scientes | true false undefined | Jul 14 13:20 |
| scientes | bool | Jul 14 13:20 |
| XRevan86 | Reliable history there. | Jul 14 13:20 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: NOT NULL | Jul 14 13:20 |
| scientes | wonder what George Bool would think | Jul 14 13:20 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: * unknown :) | Jul 14 13:20 |
| scientes | oh, null | Jul 14 13:20 |
| scientes | unknown that is woorse | Jul 14 13:20 |
| scientes | undefined would actuallly make sense | Jul 14 13:20 |
| scientes | *George Boole | Jul 14 13:21 |
| scientes | also wonder what he would think about everyone spelling his name wrong | Jul 14 13:21 |
| XRevan86 | BOOLEAN NULL having trinary logic is not bad, what is bad is that SQL makes nullable attributes by default. | Jul 14 13:21 |
| XRevan86 | In-depth: https://modern-sql.com/concept/three-valued-logic | Jul 14 13:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-modern-sql.com | Modern SQL: Three-Valued Logic (3VL) — Purpose, Benefits and Special Cases | Jul 14 13:22 | |
| scientes | is there a tri-state type that has 4 states? | Jul 14 13:23 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: No, you'll have to use integer. | Jul 14 13:23 |
| scientes | and integers are nullable? | Jul 14 13:24 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Everything is nullable by default. | Jul 14 13:24 |
| scientes | hmm, kinda zig-like | Jul 14 13:25 |
| oiaohm | There is the odd one in some SQL implementations where its True Full NULL and Error. | Jul 14 13:25 |
| oiaohm | Full/False | Jul 14 13:25 |
| scientes | is int-min two's complement? | Jul 14 13:25 |
| oiaohm | scientes: not exactly. NULL can be that the storage pointer is point to 0 instead of an address. | Jul 14 13:26 |
| oiaohm | True and False are basically 1 bit values and the NULL comes from the pointer. | Jul 14 13:26 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: You're going into implementation unnecessarily. | Jul 14 13:27 |
| XRevan86 | NULL is absence of value, that's it. | Jul 14 13:27 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: int-min? | Jul 14 13:27 |
| scientes | like uint8_t max is 127, and min in -128 | Jul 14 13:28 |
| scientes | while if it was one's complement min would be -127 | Jul 14 13:28 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I don't know if SQL defines ranges. | Jul 14 13:29 |
| scientes | this isn't a range | Jul 14 13:29 |
| scientes | it is an integer | Jul 14 13:29 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I don't know if SQL defines internal representation. | Jul 14 13:29 |
| scientes | oh ok | Jul 14 13:29 |
| scientes | then two's complement it is | Jul 14 13:29 |
| XRevan86 | But both PostgreSQL and MariaDB define ranges as from -128 to 127 | Jul 14 13:30 |
| scientes | I like how when Oracle gets involved everyone leaves | Jul 14 13:31 |
| scientes | and things just spontaneously change their names | Jul 14 13:31 |
| scientes | must be a toxic culture | Jul 14 13:32 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: absence of a value means you don't need storage to hold a value. NULL | Jul 14 13:32 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Yes, but also, how it is implemented is not important. | Jul 14 13:32 |
| XRevan86 | maybe it's a NULL pointer, maybe it's std::optional, who knows, who cares | Jul 14 13:33 |
| scientes | I ordered a FPGA but it is taking forever to get here | Jul 14 13:33 |
| scientes | hasn't even shipped yet | Jul 14 13:33 |
| XRevan86 | maybe it's an internal structure boolean is_null | Jul 14 13:33 |
| XRevan86 | or all of the above | Jul 14 13:33 |
| scientes | I'd like to see the diagram of a tri-state bool | Jul 14 13:33 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: SQL standard does not define internal representations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQL#SQL_data_types The SQL standard don't define uint8_t | Jul 14 13:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | SQL - Wikipedia | Jul 14 13:34 | |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: I just found a weird table in the ISO standard. | Jul 14 13:35 |
| XRevan86 | SQL:2011: Table 17 – Data type correspondences for C | Jul 14 13:36 |
| scientes | XRevan86, why don't you do something better with your time? | Jul 14 13:36 |
| XRevan86 | SMALLINT: pointer to short; INTEGER: pointer to long; BIGINT: pointer to long long; BOOLEAN: pointer to long; REAL: pointer to float; DOUBLE PRECISION: pointer to double | Jul 14 13:36 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I'm a bit dizzy, don't want to be productive right now. | Jul 14 13:37 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: yep and you can basically bet no SQL implementation does BOOLEAN: pointer to long Table17 is suggestions not mandate. | Jul 14 13:38 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: MariaDB does, heh | Jul 14 13:38 |
| oiaohm | Ok someone was wacky. | Jul 14 13:38 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Very wacky, yes. | Jul 14 13:38 |
| XRevan86 | although I guess not long, because it's TINYINT, not INTEGER | Jul 14 13:39 |
| oiaohm | The null is most SQL implementations is if pointer has address of 0 it has no value so is null if it has a address it allocated and should have a value. | Jul 14 13:39 |
| XRevan86 | > The precisions of data types defined as SMALLINT, INTEGER, and BIGINT are implementation-defined, but all three data types have the same radix. | Jul 14 13:40 |
| XRevan86 | Suspicion confirmed. | Jul 14 13:41 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Monty didn't want to leave the fate of MySQL to Oracle, possibly fearing that it'll become what MaxDB and Solaris are now. | Jul 14 13:42 |
| scientes | Oracle is where things go to die | Jul 14 13:43 |
| oiaohm | How open to messing with is the SQL standard explains why it so darn hard to do cross database SQL. | Jul 14 13:44 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Not really, even things that are defined in ISO SQL aren't always implemented at all or in a conforming way. | Jul 14 13:44 |
| oiaohm | Yes that is also written into the standard if you read careful. | Jul 14 13:45 |
| oiaohm | That you don't have to implement it all to claim compadiblity with a particular SQL version. | Jul 14 13:46 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: "entry level", etc.? | Jul 14 13:46 |
| oiaohm | You don't have to state the level of conformance you have either. | Jul 14 13:46 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: I think the most important factor is that DBMS' want backwards compatibility with prior versions of themselves more than ISO SQL conformity. | Jul 14 13:47 |
| XRevan86 | So if old mess conflicts with ISO SQL, then old mess takes precedence. | Jul 14 13:47 |
| oiaohm | So two databases can claim SQL2011 conformance as long as they don't say 100% one database can be 1% conforming and other can be 99% conforming and they are both valid. | Jul 14 13:47 |
| oiaohm | Thank you SQL standard for being basically useless. | Jul 14 13:48 |
| XRevan86 | I wonder what version MariaDB can claim to conform with. | Jul 14 13:48 |
| oiaohm | Any version they like as long as they don't claim 100% | Jul 14 13:48 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: As far as I understand, there's basic stuff that should be supported. | Jul 14 13:49 |
| XRevan86 | SQL is layered that way | Jul 14 13:49 |
| psydread | Oracle is where careers go to die | Jul 14 13:50 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: there is no conformance test suite for any of the SQL standards. If you read carefully over the SQL standard nothing is absolutely mandated either. | Jul 14 13:52 |
| oiaohm | So the idea that basic stuff should be supported to be SQL is kind of bogus. | Jul 14 13:53 |
| oiaohm | The big thing is ISO and others want you to have to buy the standard documents to read them. | Jul 14 13:54 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Yes, that's annoying. | Jul 14 13:54 |
| *XRevan86 still thinks that SQL needs something like cppreference.com | Jul 14 13:55 | |
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| oiaohm | XRevan86: https://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.3/features-sql-standard.html SQL standard conformance written up kind of right looks like this. Note not a version of standard. Its a list of segments of the standard your implementation supports. | Jul 14 13:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.postgresql.org | PostgreSQL: Documentation: 8.3: Supported Features | Jul 14 13:57 | |
| oiaohm | Having one of those ticked allows you to claim standard conformance with a version of SQL standard. | Jul 14 13:57 |
| oiaohm | Finding someone who has implemented a SQL database that has not implemented at least one of the sections in all versions of the SQL standard is insanely rare find. | Jul 14 13:59 |
| oiaohm | There was a javascript based SQL database that managed that. | Jul 14 13:59 |
| oiaohm | If you check the length of the postgresql unsupported SQL standard features vs supported you find https://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.3/unsupported-features-sql-standard.html Yep the unsupported is long and does in fact have parts that are tagged core yet postgresql gets to claim to be a full SQL standard database. | Jul 14 14:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.postgresql.org | PostgreSQL: Documentation: 8.3: Unsupported Features | Jul 14 14:02 | |
| oiaohm | Along with many other SQL databases. | Jul 14 14:03 |
| XRevan86 | And PostgreSQL is one of the better ones | Jul 14 14:04 |
| oiaohm | SQL standard is not like the opengl/vulkan ones. Yes the Opengl/Vulkan ones you have to have X list of features to claim X version. SQL standard is not that way. | Jul 14 14:04 |
| oiaohm | Exactly postgresql is one of the better ones. They do in fact publish lists of what they support and what they don't quite a few comerical databases you have to work out what is to standard by pure trial and error. | Jul 14 14:05 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: commercial DBMS will break backwards compatibility with themselves if they think it will allow them to sell new versions. | Jul 14 14:06 |
| oiaohm | Commerical DBMS are pack of rogues. | Jul 14 14:07 |
| *XRevan86 doesn't know a thing (or care) about commercial DBMS', so I'll trust you on that :) | Jul 14 14:10 | |
| oiaohm | I still remember being contracted to-do job on MS SQL Server | Jul 14 14:10 |
| XRevan86 | The strangest SQL support is in SQLite. I don't think that can even be called SQL. | Jul 14 14:11 |
| oiaohm | SQLite contains enough SQL to claim any SQL version as long as you cherry pick the supported list. | Jul 14 14:11 |
| oiaohm | The job MS SQL server was picked by boss because the documentation claimed to support particular sections of the SQL standard in the first day I had test cases of those sections of the SQL standard not one worked exactly right per standard. | Jul 14 14:13 |
| oiaohm | That when I started checking out what you can claim. | Jul 14 14:13 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: When I poked MSSQL, it couldn't do anything I threw at it. | Jul 14 14:14 |
| XRevan86 | that day I realised that MariaDB is actually not that bad at SQL | Jul 14 14:14 |
| oiaohm | Yes you can claim that your SQL server supports X feature under the SQL Standared then put a extra note only if you use the following inputs. So stupid you could claim to support SQL add but only when the inputs are 1 + 1 and then code the funciton to always return 2 and yes that is valid SQL standard feature support. | Jul 14 14:15 |
| AVRS | kingoffrance: FFI is mentioned in schestowitz' article where he lists which signatories of the public letter against RMS worked where or on what | Jul 14 14:16 |
| XRevan86 | modern-sql.com has good tables on what supports what | Jul 14 14:17 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: yes all those test cases I did against MSSQL when you read closer in the supported documentation I found a lot of stupid things like that add example., | Jul 14 14:17 |
| XRevan86 | Unfortunately, it's more of a collection of articles than actual SQL overview. | Jul 14 14:17 |
| oiaohm | I understand that as doing a SQL overview per database with how badly it screwed up would cost you over a year each database. | Jul 14 14:19 |
| oiaohm | People say C and C++ standards are a mess. SQL standard makes them look completely organised. | Jul 14 14:20 |
| AVRS | later | Jul 14 14:20 |
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| scientes | indeed, C is a pretty decent language | Jul 14 14:21 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: I'd like there to be a website that outlines what ISO SQL of each version outlines and expects (in each package), and then get detailed on what is supported occasionally. | Jul 14 14:21 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: remember ISO wants to sell the standard document. So fun of DCMA taken downs in the mix if someone attempts todo that. | Jul 14 14:24 |
| scientes | ISO is a dick | Jul 14 14:25 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: The aforementioned cppreference is fine. | Jul 14 14:25 |
| scientes | you have to use the drafts that eventually got approved | Jul 14 14:25 |
| scientes | and they will often rubber stamp other people's standards | Jul 14 14:25 |
| scientes | for stupid raisens | Jul 14 14:25 |
| XRevan86 | and quite detailed | Jul 14 14:25 |
| scientes | raisins | Jul 14 14:25 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: C++ is ISO/IEC as in two standard bodies. That makes things a lot better. | Jul 14 14:26 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Doesn't ANSI copy ISO stuff? | Jul 14 14:26 |
| scientes | XRevan86, other way around | Jul 14 14:26 |
| scientes | or maybe both ways | Jul 14 14:27 |
| MinceR | ISO is worse than useless | Jul 14 14:27 |
| scientes | anyways, in software standards are not the official | Jul 14 14:27 |
| scientes | the official is the implementation | Jul 14 14:27 |
| MinceR | microsloth demonstrated that this "standard organization" and its "rules" are all for sale | Jul 14 14:27 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: ANSI can only copy ISO stuff that they started development with. | Jul 14 14:29 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: oh | Jul 14 14:29 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: SQL started as ANSI though, right? | Jul 14 14:30 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: ANSI did extention to SQL that end up include the core was done by ISO. This is where hell comes. | Jul 14 14:32 |
| oiaohm | You want standard in ISO to have core done by some other party so they are not complete jackasses with it. | Jul 14 14:34 |
| oiaohm | C and C++ also existed done in books before ISO touched it that ISO cannot claim any link to the authors. Yes the early IBM author of SQL ISO can claim a link to. | Jul 14 14:36 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: see the core problem. | Jul 14 14:36 |
| oiaohm | ISO is a organistation that loves stretching out it tenticals and claiming as much control as it can so it can sell as many copies of the standard documents as possible to remain profitable. | Jul 14 14:37 |
| oiaohm | Greed is a really evil force. | Jul 14 14:38 |
| kingoffrance | well this channel lets ppl speak their mind -- other channels you get booted for suggesting standards may be less than the height of perfection for whatever reason | Jul 14 15:18 |
| danielinux | https://twitter.com/jonasLyk/status/1282945750746509313 | Jul 14 15:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jonasLyk: As Microsoft have no intensions of ever paying me for all my submitted vulnerabilities I am forced to do this. Coun… https://t.co/QmwcGKcmJ6 | Jul 14 15:24 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jonasLyk: As Microsoft have no intensions of ever paying me for all my submitted vulnerabilities I am forced to do this. Coun… https://t.co/QmwcGKcmJ6 | Jul 14 15:24 | |
| XRevan86 | Third email from BestVPN | Jul 14 15:32 |
| XRevan86 | They just don't give up. They should've spent their time actually looking at what the website they're sending their email is actually about. | Jul 14 15:33 |
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| schestowitz | danielinux: good find | Jul 14 17:21 |
| schestowitz | seems like a deja vu | Jul 14 17:21 |
| schestowitz | happened so many times before | Jul 14 17:21 |
| schestowitz | sometimes Google was the one 'outing' them | Jul 14 17:21 |
| danielinux | yes, most replies below are like "same happened to me!" | Jul 14 17:22 |
| danielinux | I can't blame infosecs going towards full disclosures if this is the way they use them | Jul 14 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Hmm... number of new #covid19 cases almost doubled in the #uk as per today's count, maybe even more than doubled. Not particularly encouraging figures. | Jul 14 17:22 |
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| schestowitz | danielinux: maybe they'll add to their version of curl in Windows some back doors too | Jul 14 17:28 |
| schestowitz | or in GitHub | Jul 14 17:28 |
| schestowitz | it's not like they altered it before to suit their own purposes | Jul 14 17:28 |
| schestowitz | oh, wait, they did... | Jul 14 17:28 |
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| danielinux | schestowitz, what about assange leaks? ready for it? | Jul 14 17:31 |
| danielinux | https://assangeleaks.org/ | Jul 14 17:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-assangeleaks.org | NO TITLE | Jul 14 17:31 | |
| danielinux | almost there... | Jul 14 17:31 |
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| schestowitz | danielinux: is it pro- or anti-Assange? | Jul 14 17:39 |
| schestowitz | any context? | Jul 14 17:39 |
| *schestowitz checks wikileaks account | Jul 14 17:40 | |
| schestowitz | they don't mention it | Jul 14 17:40 |
| schestowitz | so I guess it's anti-Assange | Jul 14 17:40 |
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| schestowitz | here we go..., danielinux | Jul 14 18:00 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Jul 14 18:00 |
| schestowitz | -1d -1h -1m -10s | Jul 14 18:00 |
| schestowitz | bug | Jul 14 18:00 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Jul 14 18:00 |
| schestowitz | "-1d -1h -1m -51s " | Jul 14 18:00 |
| schestowitz | Contantly refreshing itself, broken crap | Jul 14 18:01 |
| schestowitz | buggy broken site with javascript running a clock | Jul 14 18:01 |
| schestowitz | and nothing to show for it, they're not down due to trafficc | Jul 14 18:01 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | The police have arrived and they are not being niggardly with the paddywagon. | Jul 14 18:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm just going to eat this here Whopper while I watch this unfold. | Jul 14 18:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | j/k | Jul 14 18:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Those niggling SJWs are creating quite the uproar. | Jul 14 18:09 |
| schestowitz | "With the Justice Department's superseding indictment against Assange, public access to the evidence becomes critical. The documents in this file illuminate that case and illustrate how WikiLeaks operates behind closed doors. AssangeLeaks is not for or against Julian Assange or WikiLeaks, and is only interested in the evidence. " | Jul 14 18:10 |
| schestowitz | https://assangeleaks.org/index.php?p=&view=201007-Chat-Between-Birgitta-Jonsdottir-and-Julian-Assange.pdf | Jul 14 18:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-assangeleaks.org | AssangeLeaks, by Distributed Denial of Secrets | Jul 14 18:11 | |
| schestowitz | Well, they did steal his laptop | Jul 14 18:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The fundamental problem here is that Web 1.0 was created by software engineers and academics to actually work properly. | Jul 14 18:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then it went out to adtechs who pretend to be software companies (Google), adtechs who double as patent trolls who have hideously broken legacy software (Microsoft), and patent trolls who sell lifestyle accessories that pretend to be software (Apple). | Jul 14 18:11 |
| schestowitz | https://assangeleaks.org/file/201007-Chat-Between-Birgitta-Jonsdottir-and-Julian-Assange.pdf | Jul 14 18:11 |
| schestowitz | https://assangeleaks.org/file/20100721-Chat-Between-David-House-and-Sigurdur.pdf | Jul 14 18:13 |
| schestowitz | there are also videos there | Jul 14 18:18 |
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| *DaemonFC[m] uploaded an image: Screenshot_2020-07-14 Riot GNULinuxLovers.png (84KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/aaSqvHwbthhRuJZPodGwQsww > | Jul 14 18:25 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | *activate | Jul 14 18:25 |
| schestowitz | danielinux: with pressure to extradite this might be a psy-op to incite more people against wikileaks, using stuff that comes from the US gov. | Jul 14 18:26 |
| schestowitz | supplied to make them look bad | Jul 14 18:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There used to be this Red Hat ad floating around in the 90s. It had a cursor wiggling and then it says "Your mouse has moved. Windows NT needs to restart to apply the changes.". Now you have GNOME Software saying "There's an update to Firefox. Please reboot.". | Jul 14 18:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What I see going on with Snap is what happened with Unity. People on other distributions said, "Why can't have this too?" and the answer always was, "Because if we bring it in we also have to patch the system to death so bad that it will break GNOME, KDE, Xfce, and over 1,000 applications, and it probably still wouldn't work right.". | Jul 14 18:30 |
| schestowitz | https://assangeleaks.org/index.php?p=Previous+Leaks&view=WL+%2B+10+Redacted.txt | Jul 14 18:36 |
| schestowitz | "The whole fight was to liberate people from essentialism and understand that gender is a matrix of many biological signaling paths and" | Jul 14 18:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-assangeleaks.org | AssangeLeaks, by Distributed Denial of Secrets | Jul 14 18:37 | |
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| *DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/UGxoApNyogPofIgYWOFzvJIL > | Jul 14 18:39 | |
| *DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/gfrZaHxZqxRFgRswjpdQciFL > | Jul 14 18:40 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Have fun at Disney! | Jul 14 18:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The happiest place on hack couch splat. | Jul 14 18:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | *cough | Jul 14 18:40 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | You know, the reason Disney doesn't care if you die of COVID-19 from visiting their park is the exact same reason why they don't care if you are upset that their park is dumb and boring and you have to wait in line on the surface of the sun after spending thousands of dollars to go there. Jim Gaffigan pointed it out and summed it up just fine. | Jul 14 18:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "We already got their money. What are they going to do about it?" | Jul 14 18:42 |
| schestowitz | masks about to become mandatory here | Jul 14 18:43 |
| schestowitz | when entering shops | Jul 14 18:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You have to wait in line to get in. You have to wait in line for 20-30 minutes at a time for rides. You're miserable. You're sweating. You have sunblock in your eyes. Your best memory will be the air conditioned monorail ride back to the parking lot. | Jul 14 18:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh that's another thing. The food there. | Jul 14 18:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's extremely expensive because you're trapped in a theme park and can't go anywhere else. | Jul 14 18:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So you say fuck it and eat at Cinderella's Castle and it's $400 for dinner for the family. | Jul 14 18:44 |
| schestowitz | and it is low quality | Jul 14 18:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "I hope you're having fun kids. It was either this or college!" -Gaffigan | Jul 14 18:44 |
| schestowitz | I had some at disneyworld orlando | Jul 14 18:44 |
| schestowitz | disgusting | Jul 14 18:44 |
| schestowitz | same in alton towers and thorpe park in the uk | Jul 14 18:45 |
| schestowitz | realyl disguistive unhealthy food | Jul 14 18:45 |
| schestowitz | even the 'healthy' options | Jul 14 18:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: At least the unhealthy food in south Chicago is cheap and it tastes good. :P | Jul 14 18:45 |
| schestowitz | I really don't find themes parks attractive, based on actual experience | Jul 14 18:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even the Chinese restaurants are different in the black majority neighborhoods. | Jul 14 18:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't know what the hell they're doing but it's like you can't get enough of it. | Jul 14 18:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "I really don't find themes parks"> Most of them are pretty awful. King's Island is better than Disney World. | Jul 14 18:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then my parents were trying to save money elsewhere. So while my aunt was putting a second mortgage on the house to stay in the Disney Resort for a week, we got to stay in this shit ass KOA Kampground. | Jul 14 18:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nobody is happy and it costs a lot of money. Why do it? | Jul 14 18:48 |
| *schestowitz has just bought food | Jul 14 18:48 | |
| schestowitz | (mask on, small local shop) | Jul 14 18:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I hate vacations like that because it's like constant pressure to have fun. | Jul 14 18:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which makes things not fun. | Jul 14 18:49 |
| schestowitz | exactly | Jul 14 18:49 |
| schestowitz | which leads to guilt | Jul 14 18:49 |
| schestowitz | "so, how do you LIKE YOUR HOLIDAY?" | Jul 14 18:50 |
| schestowitz | "it's ok" | Jul 14 18:50 |
| schestowitz | "just OK?" | Jul 14 18:50 |
| schestowitz | yeah, let's go back home now, we did this ride like 5 times already, it's predictable and the lines are getting longer" | Jul 14 18:50 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I feel like I made a big mistake and wasted money every time I get back from one of those. | Jul 14 18:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The trips to go hiking are better. | Jul 14 18:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then there's the lines at the airport. TSA grab asses. | Jul 14 18:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The most ghetto government agency ever is here to save you from the scary Muslims by pouring out your honey and shampoo. | Jul 14 18:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then don't ever tell me the government doesn't have a twisted sense of humor. | Jul 14 18:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You look on your ticket and it says "9/11 surcharge.", but that's only 20% of the cost of running the TSA. The rest is hidden and paid out of general funds. | Jul 14 18:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like "You're still paying for 9/11 and you never will know how much.". | Jul 14 18:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Bad shit happens all the time. We got a 9/11 every single day in April from the Coronavirus and we still have a freak show of idiots out there who refuse to wear a mask. | Jul 14 18:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | One of them shouted at Mandy saying he couldn't wear a mask because he had a breathing disability and he wanted Mandy's name so he could file an "Americans with No Abilities" lawsuit against Mandy. Trump voter. | Jul 14 18:59 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | What didn't come up was that he had enough breathing ability to stand there and whine and shout and make a total ass of himself about it for 20 goddamned minutes when he could have just put on a mask and shopped. | Jul 14 19:02 |
| schestowitz | rianne bought new masks | Jul 14 19:04 |
| schestowitz | better than the ones we used prior, and it costs only one pound for a pair | Jul 14 19:04 |
| schestowitz | based on spam I receive, this whole mask business is a thing now | Jul 14 19:04 |
| schestowitz | I get about a dozen spam, usually from china or people pretending to be from china, offering masks in bulk | Jul 14 19:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He caught a shoplifter and the shoplifter tried to bribe the cop. Then when that didn't work, she assaulted the cop and resisted arrest. All these BLM people with their cameras out. | Jul 14 19:05 |
| schestowitz | some other people don't get this kind of spam | Jul 14 19:05 |
| schestowitz | not sure why my personal public account is targeted so much | Jul 14 19:05 |
| schestowitz | (i can guess they look for emails with 'dr') | Jul 14 19:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then it turns out that the whole shoplifting, assaulting and battering a cop, resisting arrest, and attempted bribery charges sprang from trying to get away with a bluetooth speaker and a cheap fan. | Jul 14 19:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The state sort of frowns on all of that, so I hope it was worth trying to make off with all of $60 worth of shit. | Jul 14 19:06 |
| schestowitz | what would be the fine/time for that offense alone? | Jul 14 19:06 |
| schestowitz | remember to some people buying this stuff is not possible | Jul 14 19:06 |
| schestowitz | it won't get better in this economic climate | Jul 14 19:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She had a stack of $100s. | Jul 14 19:07 |
| schestowitz | she did not steal jewellery | Jul 14 19:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She tried to bribe the cop and said she would pay for the stuff. | Jul 14 19:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Retail theft? I don't know about Illinois. A Misdemeanor I think. In Indiana, you could probably get it down to a B in a plea deal for Conversion instead of theft. | Jul 14 19:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | First offense in Indiana on a Conversion plea deal? Maybe $1,000 in fines and court costs and some probation. Maybe 6-12 months. | Jul 14 19:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | $60 is not grand theft in Indiana, but some states theft is just theft. | Jul 14 19:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz The real trouble here springs from the fact that there are so many charges on the list now and the prosecutor could go after her for felony assault because it's a cop. | Jul 14 19:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's why a lawyer would say if they ever do arrest you, cooperate with the arrest byt do not let them interrogate you. | Jul 14 19:10 |
| schestowitz | anyway, let's talk tech | Jul 14 19:11 |
| schestowitz | enough about shoplifting in #techrights | Jul 14 19:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, as far as tech stuff goes, think of everything you do on social media as potentially a police interrogation. | Jul 14 19:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When I went on probation, they wanted to know all of my social media account names, and so I told them and then I was just pretty careful not to post anything there that would be of any use to them. Then it just got me thinking that anyone at any time, probation or not. It's Facebook's data not yours. | Jul 14 19:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Lawyers that handle disability and immigration cases say be careful what's on your public Facebook wall, but they can just get in there anyway. They're the damned government. Putting a private post flag on it really means nothing. | Jul 14 19:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If anything, that probably just makes them want it more. | Jul 14 19:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Well, the funny part here is that Walmart has gotten like a police state inside the store. | Jul 14 19:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So you have to go through like cops stacked about yay deep and yay wide to get your stolen merchandise out the door. Only an idiot would try this now, but they catch like 10 of em each day. So people think they'll be smart and go through the self-checks and pay for a couple small items, then they get caught anyway. | Jul 14 19:17 |
| schestowitz | how's that article on Google coming along? | Jul 14 19:18 |
| schestowitz | we need to focus on tech issues | Jul 14 19:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Showtime had Captive State on the TV the other night. I told Mandy that's what Illinois has really turned into. | Jul 14 19:18 |
| schestowitz | not all this cop/shop stuff | Jul 14 19:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You take alien overlords out of it, and that's what this damned virus has given them an excuse to do. | Jul 14 19:19 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I refuse to believe that this new iPhone COVID thing is just some benign opt-in thing that's just sitting there dormant. | Jul 14 19:20 |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/04/25/9003fb987c7388b7.jpg | Jul 14 19:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The government has no interest in actually controlling the virus, but they have every interest in using the fear and panic as an excuse for another power grab that doesn't ever go away. | Jul 14 19:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I think that is something that has more smoke to the fire than what Google is doing with your files that anyone with a brain in their head suspected all along. | Jul 14 19:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Rick & Morty accidentally foreshadowed this year as a throwaway line. | Jul 14 19:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "This is the universe that has more of everything. It's got 11 9/11s!". | Jul 14 19:22 |
| schestowitz | https://www.suse.com/c/suse-google-next-onair/ | Jul 14 19:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Visit SUSE at Google Next OnAir - SUSE and Google Cloud provide foundation for resilient SAP deployment. | Jul 14 19:23 | |
| schestowitz | google.. meh | Jul 14 19:23 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: but will you write about it? | Jul 14 19:23 |
| schestowitz | irc logs are not of much use if you don't make screenshots with captions | Jul 14 19:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The government and the media deliberately traumatized an entire nation with 9/11 even though that's like 1/4th of the number of Americans who die in a typical day. | Jul 14 19:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're doing the same thing with a really nasty cold. | Jul 14 19:24 |
| schestowitz | what government? | Jul 14 19:24 |
| schestowitz | Trump? | Jul 14 19:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Do you want it? Not really. Is it being massively overblown? Yeah. Nefarious purposes. | Jul 14 19:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "Trump?"> Yeah. He'll use anything he can grab ahold of, but he's sort of just a stooge that's there for a few minutes in the grand scheme of things. | Jul 14 19:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Maybe he's too stupid to realize that. | Jul 14 19:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think that the corporations, the big ones, are not real happy about the state of things. | Jul 14 19:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They'll get together and replace him with Biden. Things go on as planned. | Jul 14 19:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Democrats are shaking hands in Corporate America. They have a permissions slip to talk like liberals and then give Corporate America all of their wish list when they actually get into power. | Jul 14 19:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The worst part of it is that even people who know that will vote for it at this point to make Trump stop. | Jul 14 19:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I will, and I'm just disgusted with Democrats, but at the same time with people like RMS for throwing a fit and "refusing to have any of it" when they know it's them or Trump, Trump or them. | Jul 14 19:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Refusing to have any of it" to try to take the moral high ground just means that when Trump gets a second term and starts throwing the polar opposite of what RMS wants into overdrive, he'll attack people who didn't vote for some trifling little minor party that couldn't win. | Jul 14 19:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This country might get onboard with throwing out Trump, at best. | Jul 14 19:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We're not going to get a Green Party president, ever. That's just what things are. | Jul 14 19:31 |
| schestowitz | can we talk about tech? | Jul 14 19:32 |
| schestowitz | [19:27] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): Stupid and disgusting publicity stunt from #google (which hands over all your personal data and files to the police on a DVD) https://9to5google.com/2020/07/14/google-cloud-confidential-computing/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/25cb6965-5816-4b88-b822-3d3f62161bce] | Jul 14 19:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google Cloud details Confidential Computing 'breakthrough' - 9to5Google | Jul 14 19:32 | |
| schestowitz | [19:29] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): #clowncomputing = #encryption not possible. The US government has access to all your stuff, inc. sensitive data of and about your clients/customers. In many cases the practice should be BANNED, but they have lobbyists and bribe our lawmakers. [https://pleroma.site/objects/fdaeff0c-007b-41a6-abb6-1f2c700c40d4] | Jul 14 19:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Jul 14 19:32 | |
| schestowitz | [19:30] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): #GAFAM is now going after healthcare (medical) data of ~5 billion people. Empire knows no boundaries. And the likes of #linuxfoundation help disguise these massive #espionage operations as "security" and "privacy"... [https://pleroma.site/objects/0be4a161-c0e6-4ea7-98a3-e335e348a294] | Jul 14 19:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Jul 14 19:32 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Jul 14 19:32 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: let's focus on Google | Jul 14 19:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: You try to adapt, even as things get more terrible. You know, it's like that with computer software too. Most people don't have a daemon service running on their computer to feed a web page into emacs after stripping it down to Free Content. | Jul 14 19:32 |
| schestowitz | and let's try to get this article done | Jul 14 19:32 |
| schestowitz | I shared files with you so we can work on it | Jul 14 19:32 |
| MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/agent | Jul 14 19:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Agent | Jul 14 19:32 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Instead of picking so many battles you are going to lose, sometimes it's just better to prioritize to try to get a mass movement going against the worst of it. Like this Web DRM software. | Jul 14 19:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If people turn it off, refuse it, and don't pay for anything that demands it, it goes away. | Jul 14 19:33 |
| MinceR | sounds like caving on a ton of stuff | Jul 14 19:34 |
| MinceR | i'd prefer to rebuild IT from the ground up, the right way | Jul 14 19:34 |
| MinceR | and without suits and authoritarians | Jul 14 19:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: It's more like guerilla war. You pick soft points and attack them. It weakens the enemy and when they start losing badly in certain ways it destabilizes them. | Jul 14 19:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I like what the pirates are doing by dumping Netflix and stuff onto BitTorrent. It's working this problem from both angles. | Jul 14 19:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People get Popcorn Time and a VPN and it slowly bleeds revenue away from Netflix, which might actually eventually collapse and stop poisoning the web. | Jul 14 19:36 |
| MinceR | too late | Jul 14 19:36 |
| MinceR | they've already killed the open web | Jul 14 19:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've heard some idea for knocking it over and building a Free replacement. | Jul 14 19:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm afraid I don't know much about I2P. | Jul 14 19:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I support the idea of better design and frustrating tracking and spying. | Jul 14 19:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The alarm bells are going off at the government spook agencies about this, that they will eventually push too hard and things will "go dark", but they take those reports to Congress, which knows nothing about the internet, and say "We need nastier laws because of this.". | Jul 14 19:38 |
| schestowitz | getting the 'masses' to switch to whatever alternatives exist or will exist is hard | Jul 14 19:38 |
| schestowitz | there's gnunet now | Jul 14 19:38 |
| schestowitz | but it's not widely publicised | Jul 14 19:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you get something past the US Congress or EU Parliament, you've done incredible damage already even if nobody else in the world takes it up. | Jul 14 19:39 |
| schestowitz | they need to associate it with crime | Jul 14 19:39 |
| schestowitz | as they already do | Jul 14 19:39 |
| schestowitz | and if there's no crime there, they'll send people there to plant evidence of crime | Jul 14 19:39 |
| schestowitz | it is an uphill battle, albeit doable | Jul 14 19:40 |
| schestowitz | like, if you hide who actually uses the thing | Jul 14 19:40 |
| schestowitz | like with i2p | Jul 14 19:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, I thought it was actually.....funny really...that the Australian government admitted it took over a CP onion site and improved it! | Jul 14 19:40 |
| schestowitz | you cannot toppled existing things in the system when that system controls the communication channels and hosting | Jul 14 19:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Started putting MORE on it. Made it more reliable. Served the files for nearly a year. | Jul 14 19:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If they did it, you know the FBI is. | Jul 14 19:41 |
| schestowitz | FBI did playpen | Jul 14 19:41 |
| schestowitz | or whatever it was called | Jul 14 19:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yep. | Jul 14 19:41 |
| schestowitz | even hosting and operating it | Jul 14 19:41 |
| schestowitz | someone in twitter (not reliable) said the same about gab | Jul 14 19:41 |
| schestowitz | which I doubt | Jul 14 19:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So if you're doing that, you're an idiot. | Jul 14 19:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If someone is doing anything like that, they are an idiot. | Jul 14 19:41 |
| schestowitz | we need to write about the SPD files | Jul 14 19:42 |
| schestowitz | the google aspect | Jul 14 19:42 |
| schestowitz | it's not covered elsewhere afaik | Jul 14 19:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even if it is nominally anonymous, sooner or later you will fuck something up, or they will find an exploit. | Jul 14 19:42 |
| kingoffrance | well all the banks <dark web is evil> <5 seconds later> <pay us to scour the dark web so we can spot identity thieves> | Jul 14 19:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So, the best thing for nasty pervs to do is quit it. Don't do it. | Jul 14 19:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Downloading it and then uploading it to a Google Drive and leaving unencrypted hard drive scattered all over the house is just..... | Jul 14 19:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, a bomb waiting to go off. It did. | Jul 14 19:43 |
| kingoffrance | i forgot <china hacked equifax so we lost your shit too> | Jul 14 19:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's, I believe, why child molesters have lower IQs than the general population. Because the police catch the really stupid ones mostly and first of all, and those are the ones the system puts in front of a psychiatrist. | Jul 14 19:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then they compile their statistics and go "Wow, these people are fucking stupid.". | Jul 14 19:45 |
| kingoffrance | <the light web has id thieves too> | Jul 14 19:45 |
| MinceR | <but it's ok because the establishment doesn't want the light web gone> | Jul 14 19:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Charge of the light brigade. | Jul 14 19:46 |
| kingoffrance | well yeah <pay us to watch the light web too> | Jul 14 19:47 |
| kingoffrance | "dark web" is basically saying "we can see everything you do normally" | Jul 14 19:48 |
| kingoffrance | yeah, thats evil, we cant see you | Jul 14 19:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Anyway, that's my analysis of the analysts. When all the psychiatrists see are the stupid people the police bring them, it leads to a feedback loop where the only output is "God damn, these people are fucking dumb.". Duh doy! | Jul 14 19:48 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Well, a problem can't be solved by prople who are unqualified and unwilling to understand the context and the problem and determine the right solution. | Jul 14 19:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We're just seeing all of this decay because the world is increasingly full of this. Not just Fedora. | Jul 14 20:00 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | The more distributions drop Snap the harder it will be for Canonical to convince people to use it. Good. | Jul 14 20:21 |
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| scientes | https://tmp.ninja/ | Jul 14 20:36 |
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| scientes | lolololololol | Jul 14 20:36 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 14 20:37 |
| schestowitz | lol | Jul 14 20:42 |
| schestowitz | sounds legit | Jul 14 20:42 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: another record breaker today | Jul 14 20:43 |
| schestowitz | brace fro 70k_ | Jul 14 20:44 |
| schestowitz | *for | Jul 14 20:44 |
| schestowitz | maybe 1000+ deaths | Jul 14 20:44 |
| schestowitz | last week was 993 | Jul 14 20:44 |
| *DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/odLSwXHtyjrRomCeSkIidNda > | Jul 14 20:45 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | B-) | Jul 14 20:46 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 14 20:47 |
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| MinceR | :) | Jul 14 20:55 |
| MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/god-computer | Jul 14 20:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - God Computer | Jul 14 20:57 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: I like putting comments like these in edits. Nobody can ever get rid of them and I can pretty much say whatever I want about the edit. | Jul 14 21:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I told Mandy to tell the next customer who said that they were going into Walmart with no mask to buy masks to wear next time that this is "bootstrapping". | Jul 14 21:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So he did, and the customer laughed and went away. | Jul 14 21:07 |
| schestowitz | lol | Jul 14 21:10 |
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| scientes | how the hell do you cool a 500W CPU? | Jul 14 21:26 |
| scientes | https://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/luke-hill/amd-ryzen-threadripper-3990x-cpu-review/9/ | Jul 14 21:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.kitguru.net | AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3990X CPU Review | KitGuru - Part 9 | Jul 14 21:26 | |
| scientes | they got it up to 700W | Jul 14 21:27 |
| scientes | even 900W | Jul 14 21:28 |
| scientes | before it started throttling | Jul 14 21:28 |
| scientes | these new CPUs melt | Jul 14 21:28 |
| schestowitz | very expensive too | Jul 14 21:30 |
| schestowitz | you could get more done with many low-cost PCs working alongside, I think | Jul 14 21:30 |
| schestowitz | vanity cpu | Jul 14 21:30 |
| scientes | a very expensive space heater | Jul 14 21:31 |
| MinceR | they'll probably just throttle | Jul 14 21:31 |
| scientes | MinceR, they do | Jul 14 21:31 |
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| scientes | it also uses a condenser cooler | Jul 14 21:33 |
| scientes | in #talos-workstation people report high electricity bills | Jul 14 21:36 |
| scientes | oh shiii | Jul 14 21:36 |
| scientes | there is a city in georgia where elctricity is free | Jul 14 21:36 |
| psydread | oh wow | Jul 14 21:37 |
| scientes | psydread, once all their electricity was sold to turkey | Jul 14 21:38 |
| psydread | actually running a talos would be much cheaper for you | Jul 14 21:38 |
| scientes | so it is a political retribution thing | Jul 14 21:38 |
| scientes | anyways, sometimes I like looking at CPU porn | Jul 14 21:43 |
| scientes | even though it is rediculous how inefficient those things are | Jul 14 21:44 |
| scientes | because of stupid design decisions and crappy software | Jul 14 21:44 |
| scientes | and 16-bit real mode compatibility et cetera | Jul 14 21:44 |
| scientes | that thing thinks it is a 8086 cpu when it boots | Jul 14 21:45 |
| psydread | but I see these CPUs being much more useful when several people can use them to do their work, not everyone needs to have such a system at home running 24/7 and you don't need to run tasks on them all the time either | Jul 14 21:45 |
| scientes | (after the reset routines runs) | Jul 14 21:45 |
| MinceR | 14 224503 < scientes> that thing thinks it is a 8086 cpu when it boots | Jul 14 21:46 |
| MinceR | which one? the power in the talos? | Jul 14 21:46 |
| scientes | psydread, indeed | Jul 14 21:46 |
| scientes | it would just be nice to be able to work on that thing over ssh and not wait forever for llvm to compile | Jul 14 21:47 |
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| scientes | it would be nice if the cloud compute providers were not so predatory | Jul 14 21:50 |
| scientes | you have to design your software around their predatory pricing models | Jul 14 21:50 |
| scientes | instead of them just charging by electricity | Jul 14 21:51 |
| psydread | if I had the place and space for them I would put a few such systems in a rack to be used for development over ssh and it wouldn't be a problem as long as electricity costs would be covered | Jul 14 21:54 |
| psydread | other than that I don't really see the point of buying these powerful systems | Jul 14 21:54 |
| scientes | yep | Jul 14 21:55 |
| scientes | a bunch of people on #talos-workstation have these systems just sitting around | Jul 14 21:55 |
| scientes | but i don't think they want people sshing in | Jul 14 21:55 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/mfsa2020-28/ | Jul 14 22:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mozilla.org | Security Vulnerabilities fixed in Firefox 78.0.2 — Mozilla | Jul 14 22:11 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Firefox 78.0.2 is out over this one. | Jul 14 22:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://github.com/easylist/easylist/commit/1606da28bd0a18df33b23bedd15b583807bccdcb | Jul 14 22:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A: https://www.phoronix.com/ · easylist/easylist@1606da2 · GitHub | Jul 14 22:21 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Pinged them to get rid of the new Facebook icon on Phoronix. :) | Jul 14 22:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmasterrace/comments/hr7k1n/lets_appreciate_valves_efforts_for_a_sec/ | Jul 14 22:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Let’s appreciate valve’s efforts for a sec : linuxmasterrace | Jul 14 22:24 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmasterrace/comments/hqf2yz/meanwhile_in_linux_you_can_delete_your_file/ | Jul 14 22:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | meanwhile in linux you can delete your file manager if you want to : linuxmasterrace | Jul 14 22:26 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | MOAR freemium games welded into Windows 10. Just one of the many ways you pay with your sanity, privacy, and cold hard cash to say "Nah, this is easier!". | Jul 14 22:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "No no no, you have to make them just barely fun enough for the user to continue paying!" -South Park on Freemium games | Jul 14 22:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Very nice. This even beats "Get Office!" for the best Windows app ever. "Hey kid, you want some Office?". At the rate they're going with Idiot Edgesporer pestering, taking over the computer, outright stealing the user's data and sending it to Microsoft after they said no..... How long until they detect LibreOffice and just delete it and demand that you "Get Office"? | Jul 14 22:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "It was not a request! You need Office! You will use MS Office! 1900 was a leap year!" | Jul 14 22:33 |
| psydread | I'm wondering what the real numbers are for Office365 | Jul 14 22:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Epoch has always been 1980, or 1970, or 2000, or 1601, or 1, or 1900....depending on which quality Microsoft product you are currently suffering with. :) | Jul 14 22:37 |
| schestowitz | [21:31] <scientes> a very expensive space heater | Jul 14 22:41 |
| schestowitz | it's cheaper to buy a proper heater | Jul 14 22:41 |
| schestowitz | also safer | Jul 14 22:41 |
| schestowitz | if they fall over they switch off :-) | Jul 14 22:41 |
| schestowitz | regulation compliance thing | Jul 14 22:41 |
| schestowitz | [21:36] <scientes> there is a city in georgia where elctricity is free | Jul 14 22:41 |
| schestowitz | They still use electric chairs there? | Jul 14 22:42 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today’s howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139872 [https://pleroma.site/objects/dcfb48af-eb10-4def-8991-1ef61ab5526c] | Jul 14 23:01 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: 3 more hours, 56k+, 800 dead | Jul 14 23:03 |
| schestowitz | that can be up for 10th day in a row | Jul 14 23:03 |
| schestowitz | the rebound isn't stopped | Jul 14 23:03 |
| schestowitz | t | Jul 14 23:03 |
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| schestowitz | without quarantine plan there will be none | Jul 14 23:04 |
| schestowitz | it'll just go up and up and up | Jul 14 23:04 |
| schestowitz | unless everyone had had it | Jul 14 23:04 |
| schestowitz | *has had | Jul 14 23:04 |
| schestowitz | With 3 hours to go there are already more COVID-19 (new) cases in the US today than there were a week ago. Death tolls and new cases up every day for like 10 days. | Jul 14 23:21 |
| schestowitz | Florida291,629 | Jul 14 23:21 |
| schestowitz | +9,194 | Jul 14 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Texas283,741+9,029 | Jul 14 23:22 |
| schestowitz | In the US, say official numbers, 100 prisoners died from COVID-19 | Jul 14 23:23 |
| cybrNaut | “We kill people based on metadata,” said the former head of the CIA Michael Hayden in 2014. (https://www.wired.co.uk/article/google-project-maven-drone-warfare-artificial-intelligence) | Jul 14 23:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wired.co.uk | Google’s artificial intelligence ethics won't curb war by algorithm | WIRED UK | Jul 14 23:23 | |
| schestowitz | yes, memorable | Jul 14 23:24 |
| schestowitz | he doesn't like me | Jul 14 23:24 |
| schestowitz | he also said they spy on "interesting people" | Jul 14 23:25 |
| schestowitz | as if, it's about power | Jul 14 23:25 |
| schestowitz | not stopping crime or anything | Jul 14 23:25 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: GNOME Development and Projects http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139873 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5ff6428c-1480-49f0-994d-dac390faa7a1] | Jul 14 23:31 | |
| MinceR | "This is not about money. This is about power!" | Jul 14 23:32 |
| schestowitz | white powa' | Jul 14 23:32 |
| schestowitz | white cocaine | Jul 14 23:32 |
| schestowitz | whitelists | Jul 14 23:33 |
| MinceR | "Fucking voodoo magic, man!" | Jul 14 23:59 |
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