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| oiaohm | MinceR: https://gizmodo.com/websites-can-discriminate-against-you-even-if-you-dont-1837203631?IR=T << The law is starting to catch up with the internet in many interesting ways. | Aug 14 01:33 |
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| oiaohm | O m that came out bad on the bot. | Aug 14 01:33 |
| oiaohm | This thing opens up a site to being sued by parties that don't even use it. | Aug 14 01:36 |
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| superkuh | oiaohm, step one: don't be a corporation, institution, or otherwise non-human legal person. | Aug 14 01:41 |
| oiaohm | superkuh: laws around legal entity say everything that applies to that non-human legal person also applies to you human legal person. | Aug 14 01:51 |
| oiaohm | So that does not change very much at all. | Aug 14 01:51 |
| superkuh | step 2. don't be a business. | Aug 14 01:51 |
| superkuh | step 3. don't profit, but keep all your rights to property. | Aug 14 01:52 |
| oiaohm | Historic of legal shows they go over business first but in time them come after non businesses. | Aug 14 01:52 |
| oiaohm | So step 2 buys you just some more time. | Aug 14 01:52 |
| superkuh | Depressingly realistic. | Aug 14 01:53 |
| oiaohm | Hording properity normally as step 3 normally brings the legal tax man to take at least a percentage of that away. | Aug 14 01:53 |
| superkuh | I have a ToS that prevents anyone under 90 years old from using my website. And we all know breaking ToS is a felony and violation of some CFAA bs. | Aug 14 01:54 |
| oiaohm | Everyone is basically a loser in the game of life the question is how bad are you going to lose and wine. | Aug 14 01:54 |
| oiaohm | wine/when | Aug 14 01:54 |
| oiaohm | ToS stuff of 90 years old and older we could see anti discrimination come into that. In Australia discrimination by age is illegal on adults. On children with alcohol and porn that is allowed. | Aug 14 01:56 |
| oiaohm | superkuh: so yes ToS was what was channeled in this recent case. | Aug 14 01:57 |
| oiaohm | superkuh: so person who decide not to break the ToS could in theory challenge you in court. | Aug 14 01:57 |
| superkuh | I originally had it only <8 years old or younger but I found out the exposed me to even more stupid legal liability due to laws regarding sites targeting minors. | Aug 14 01:57 |
| superkuh | In the USA having to be over an age doesn't seem to be legally actionable. | Aug 14 01:58 |
| oiaohm | I would not be so sure. | Aug 14 01:58 |
| oiaohm | superkuh: https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/age.cfm The stupid line in the USA is 40 years and older. | Aug 14 01:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eeoc.gov | Age Discrimination | Aug 14 01:59 | |
| superkuh | This is against. I am *for*. | Aug 14 02:00 |
| oiaohm | superkuh: you are under 40 you can be discriminated against. Over 40 where you 90 years one is could be a problem. | Aug 14 02:00 |
| oiaohm | Because you are discriminating against 40 year olds. | Aug 14 02:00 |
| superkuh | But not because they are old. Because they aren't old enough. | Aug 14 02:00 |
| superkuh | It'd be a pretty hilarious case. | Aug 14 02:01 |
| superkuh | I welcome it. | Aug 14 02:01 |
| oiaohm | Of course the laws around that are not efforced in the internet much. | Aug 14 02:01 |
| oiaohm | but we can expect this stupidity to come. | Aug 14 02:01 |
| oiaohm | anti discrimination can turn into such a mess so quickly legally its not funny. | Aug 14 02:02 |
| oiaohm | Particularly if you are company that have to obey multi different countries laws at exactly the same time. | Aug 14 02:03 |
| oiaohm | superkuh: the way the USA law is saying anyone under 40 is not allow on your site by ToS is 100 percent legal. | Aug 14 02:05 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming: Buildah, Python, KDE/Krita and Debian/Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126921 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fff41189-b702-4ee3-ba38-8bbb367d4672] | Aug 14 02:10 | |
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| schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/9lqI7gEftrs9kEjvsG | Aug 14 02:40 |
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| schestowitz | ""Microsoft makes a 'open source' code editor under the MIT license. But when you download it, it's under a prprietary license from Microsoft. The app is Visual Studio Code and you can install the MIT version, so compiled from the actual public available code, from Flathub, called Code OSS. Typical open washing here. Nobody knows if they add any more code." | Aug 14 02:40 |
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| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/LinuxNewsToday/comments/cq4gqn/the_linux_foundations_open_source_summit_is_a/ | Aug 14 06:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | The Linux Foundation's Open Source Summit is a Proprietary Software Marketing Venue : LinuxNewsToday | Aug 14 06:47 | |
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| schestowitz | " | Aug 14 07:04 |
| schestowitz | Jim Zemlin liked this | Aug 14 07:04 |
| schestowitz | Six things I wish I knew growing up: (1) good posture, (2)... | Aug 14 07:04 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 14 07:04 |
| schestowitz | From jono bacon | Aug 14 07:04 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: MIT licensed VS code is the same as chrome. Also there is a extra bent that the binary of visual studio code is picking with a few system libraries. So flathub building from source gets to turn a few of the un wanting features off and have better runtime compadiblity. | Aug 14 07:53 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: chrome is proprietary also | Aug 14 08:30 |
| schestowitz | same issue | Aug 14 08:30 |
| schestowitz | Google and Microsoft | Aug 14 08:31 |
| schestowitz | I generally file Chrome stuff under "Proprietary" | Aug 14 08:31 |
| schestowitz | because that's what it is | Aug 14 08:31 |
| psydroid | some people from the Talos II/POWER community are trying to get their patches for Chromium and Electron upstreamed, but there is a total unwillingness on the part of Google developers to cooperate | Aug 14 08:34 |
| psydroid | https://github.com/IBM/kui/issues/2201 | Aug 14 08:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux/POWER support (was: Kubectl kui version command fails) · Issue #2201 · IBM/kui · GitHub | Aug 14 08:34 | |
| psydroid | I just don't bother with anything Google or Microsoft touches and consider it infected | Aug 14 08:35 |
| schestowitz | good gut feeling | Aug 14 08:37 |
| schestowitz | today I watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVUHaC1somA | Aug 14 08:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Jim Zemlin interviewed by Jeremy Allison - YouTube | Aug 14 08:38 | |
| schestowitz | zemlin at Google | Aug 14 08:38 |
| schestowitz | I'm actually doing an in-depth article about him at the moment | Aug 14 08:39 |
| MinceR | https://full.pr0gramm.com/2019/07/29/ec8207ae95e0d93d.jpg | Aug 14 08:42 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: anything special in that image? I see even in the future women dress up promiscuous and Casio is still around | Aug 14 08:44 |
| MinceR | :) | Aug 14 08:45 |
| MinceR | well, if you want hidden messages, there's "netflix is a joke" and "don't believe the media" | Aug 14 08:45 |
| schestowitz | Oh, I see now | Aug 14 08:48 |
| schestowitz | fine prints | Aug 14 08:48 |
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| psydroid | I'm listening to the interview and I struggle to find anything new in it | Aug 14 09:06 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Wrong Person in Charge of the Linux Foundation (and in Charge of Linus Torvalds) http://techrights.org/2019/08/14/linux-foundation-chief/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/6d22d093-f1a8-4e11-8dd3-677248d6a591] | Aug 14 10:47 | |
| schestowitz | MrGreenFriend: http://techrights.org/2019/08/14/slandering-eric-lundgren/ | Aug 14 11:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Coming Soon: The Innards of the Eric Lundgren Case That Microsoft is Desperate to Hide or Spin (by Defaming Lundgren) | Techrights | Aug 14 11:24 | |
| MrGreenFriend | schestowitz, thanks :) | Aug 14 11:30 |
| MrGreenFriend | schestowitz, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIlGsWXtkgM | Aug 14 11:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple - Advertising... Fix Vista - YouTube | Aug 14 11:30 | |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: and Apple end up taking the same play book. | Aug 14 11:49 |
| oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGzOYm3f-E8 | Aug 14 11:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Killer Tux Linux vs Windows - YouTube | Aug 14 11:52 | |
| psydroid | the Apple stuff is just diverting attention from the elephant in the room | Aug 14 11:57 |
| MrGreenFriend | oiaohm, :) | Aug 14 12:14 |
| schestowitz | Apple is not attacking FOSS in the same way | Aug 14 12:22 |
| schestowitz | it's mostly a nuisance and parasite to it | Aug 14 12:22 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is the one trying to hijack and undermine it all | Aug 14 12:23 |
| oiaohm | Apple is more focused on the harm department on their own customers. | Aug 14 12:23 |
| psydroid | which makes it a very different animal | Aug 14 12:25 |
| psydroid | I can completely ignore Apple and anything its partners do | Aug 14 12:25 |
| psydroid | Microsoft is trying to hi-jack the FOSS movement in any way possible | Aug 14 12:25 |
| oiaohm | The fun part is watching Microsoft attempt that and also end up more dependant themselves on FOSS working. | Aug 14 12:30 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: The Coma 2: Vicious Sisters, Flycast, Unpacking, Kingdoms of the Dump http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126925 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8d7ec12a-ef30-4446-98a1-520423cd2ad7] | Aug 14 12:31 | |
| psydroid | they are counting on people falling for their scheme, but we know better and can continue doing what we've always been doing and that is to get people to use more FOSS and these days also more FOSH | Aug 14 12:34 |
| schestowitz | "Open Source" today is just #proprietarysoftware with some #openwashing so we 'lost' and must revert back to #freesw | Aug 14 12:34 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1161269533103013893 | Aug 14 12:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: Open Source is nowadays a by-product of Proprietary Software: permissive licenses, repositories with subscriptions,… https://t.co/C7ocG6ZHSH | Aug 14 12:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: Open Source is nowadays a by-product of Proprietary Software: permissive licenses, repositories with subscriptions,… https://t.co/C7ocG6ZHSH | Aug 14 12:34 | |
| schestowitz | 30 mins ago: http://techrights.org/2019/08/14/microsoft-python/ | Aug 14 12:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Planet Python is Being Overrun by Microsoft, Just Like PyCon and Python in General | Techrights | Aug 14 12:35 | |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: https://www.zdnet.com/article/with-microsoft-dumping-ms-office-consider-libreoffice-for-your-next-pc-office-suite/ You would be up on the MS Office path to more subscription model. | Aug 14 12:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-With Microsoft dumping MS Office, consider LibreOffice for your next PC office suite | ZDNet | Aug 14 12:38 | |
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| scientes | https://mashable.com/article/dmv-vanity-license-plate-def-con-backfire/?europe=true | Aug 14 16:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mashable.com | He tried to prank the DMV. Then his vanity license plate backfired big time. | Aug 14 16:49 | |
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| scientes | XRevan86, ^ | Aug 14 16:52 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: exploitable | Aug 14 16:54 |
| scientes | "carry-less multiplication" is really confusing | Aug 14 16:55 |
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| MinceR | 14 132238 <+schestowitz> Apple is not attacking FOSS in the same way | Aug 14 17:28 |
| MinceR | apple banned copyleft from hypeOS | Aug 14 17:28 |
| MinceR | their attitude is a lot like m$'s | Aug 14 17:29 |
| superkuh | Apple is worse. They started the whole commercial walled garden thing. | Aug 14 17:38 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: did they not 'correct' this later? | Aug 14 17:57 |
| schestowitz | e.g. for VLC? | Aug 14 17:57 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: apple did take in cups and attempt to extended it with apple only things but when driver makers were not coming on board as hoped they had to reverse that. | Aug 14 17:58 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: apple has had ideas of being as bad a Microsoft just so far they have managed to goof it up. | Aug 14 17:59 |
| schestowitz | they have less to lose from gnu/linux | Aug 14 18:30 |
| schestowitz | they don't do backend stuff where gnu/linux dominates | Aug 14 18:30 |
| schestowitz | to Microsoft the business sector was at risk | Aug 14 18:31 |
| schestowitz | apple targets dumb, insecure people who spend on their savings on white gadgets | Aug 14 18:31 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: you are forgoting Microsoft failed attempts like OS X server. | Aug 14 18:33 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: opps sorry that should have been apple. | Aug 14 18:34 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Server_1.0 Apple had most of the same ideas and goofed it up. | Aug 14 18:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Mac OS X Server 1.0 - Wikipedia | Aug 14 18:35 | |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: it would be a way different world is Apple had not goofed up their backend stuff. | Aug 14 18:36 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS_Server when I say goofed it up I mean serousally totally goofed it up. Mac OS X Server 10.6 Like here doing a mail server that did not work with their own phone. | Aug 14 18:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | macOS Server - Wikipedia | Aug 14 18:39 | |
| oiaohm | And other cases of major goof. | Aug 14 18:39 |
| oiaohm | Lets not just break third party lets break our own provided devices for good mesure. | Aug 14 18:40 |
| XRevan86 | > macOS 10.13.5 (Server 5.6) | Aug 14 18:41 |
| XRevan86 | > Released: April 24, 2018. | Aug 14 18:41 |
| XRevan86 | > PostgreSQL 9.4.15 | Aug 14 18:42 |
| XRevan86 | Apple: innovation of using obsolete software | Aug 14 18:42 |
| psydroid | my nieces' iPads are locked and I can't help them to unlock those, so I hope they have learned not to rely on Apple devices again | Aug 14 18:43 |
| psydroid | and as for their software, that indeed looks like a joke | Aug 14 18:44 |
| psydroid | but you don't need any of it to interact with businesses or governments | Aug 14 18:44 |
| psydroid | so it might as well not exist and the world will keep revolving | Aug 14 18:45 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: and it gets worse. https://access.redhat.com/security/cve/cve-2017-15098 Note this is a CVE listing faults in postgresql 9.4.15 in 2007. | Aug 14 18:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-access.redhat.com | CVE-2017-15098 - Red Hat Customer Portal | Aug 14 18:47 | |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: so obsolete and known flawed out the box. As I said apple has managed to totally goof up that server side. | Aug 14 18:47 |
| XRevan86 | Maybe they themselves don't know why it exists %) | Aug 14 18:48 |
| psydroid | don't they run gnu/linux on their own servers? | Aug 14 18:48 |
| psydroid | or is that all freebsd? | Aug 14 18:48 |
| schestowitz | it's magic os | Aug 14 18:48 |
| schestowitz | with a logo on the rack | Aug 14 18:49 |
| schestowitz | and bright lights on the logo, so the whole DC staff will know you can afford the Apple(C) Goodness(R) | Aug 14 18:49 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: https://access.redhat.com/security/cve/cve-2017-12172 I missed the really good flaw in 9.4.15 that redhat and most Linux distributions had fixed by updating at the end of 2017. | Aug 14 18:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-access.redhat.com | CVE-2017-12172 - Red Hat Customer Portal | Aug 14 18:49 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126946#comment-21352 | Aug 14 18:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Announcing EPEL-8.0 Official Release | Tux Machines | Aug 14 18:50 | |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: yep how to raise privilage and yes that works on the server 5.6 implementation from Apple as well. | Aug 14 18:50 |
| XRevan86 | $ curl -I 'https://www.apple.com/' | grep -i '^server: ' | Aug 14 18:54 |
| XRevan86 | server: Apache | Aug 14 18:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple | Aug 14 18:54 | |
| XRevan86 | they know how to disable server tokens | Aug 14 18:54 |
| oiaohm | psydroid: the newest answer by apple on what they running I know of is 2011. Mac OS X, IBM/AIX, Sun/Solaris, and Linux systems << How can you say mega mixed bag the mangaed to miss freebsd back then. | Aug 14 18:55 |
| XRevan86 | That bug that I've noticed on Apache httpd with HTTP/2 enabled is not present | Aug 14 18:55 |
| XRevan86 | which can mean that they're lion | Aug 14 18:55 |
| oiaohm | psydroid: https://www.zdnet.com/article/tale-of-two-data-center-strategies-apple-vs-facebook/ It was in this article. | Aug 14 18:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tale of two data center strategies: Apple vs. Facebook | ZDNet | Aug 14 18:55 | |
| XRevan86 | or more likely reverse proxying, just discretely | Aug 14 18:55 |
| oiaohm | psydroid: I would like more recent than 8 years out of date you would suspect Linux amount has moved up since 2011. | Aug 14 18:57 |
| psydroid | I don't think Mac OS X Server was ever more than a play against the equally flawed Windows SBS and no one would ever consider them for any serious server tasks | Aug 14 19:14 |
| psydroid | also Apple has been hiring more Linux system administrators and kernel developers recently, so I think you are right | Aug 14 19:15 |
| XRevan86 | We don't want those shady non-commercial Debians, give us some serious enterprise with proper commercial security: macOS Server | Aug 14 19:15 |
| psydroid | lol | Aug 14 19:20 |
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| MinceR | ah yes, i remember when crApple bought CUPS and promptly fucked it up | Aug 14 19:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | oiaohm: I did manage to get out of 200 community service hours. | Aug 14 19:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I told the prosecutor that if he insisted on the full supervision term being supervised an 200 community service hours, we'd just go to trial and see if his case held up. | Aug 14 19:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't feel like picking up condoms and beer bottles on the side of the road. | Aug 14 19:50 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | There aren't many conditions. I have to see my psychiatrist between now and December and then if I don't violate probation, my sentence converts to unsupervised for the remaining 8 months. | Aug 14 19:51 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: https://www.fsf.org/news/2010-05-app-store-compliance | Aug 14 20:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | GPL Enforcement in Apple's App Store — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software | Aug 14 20:05 | |
| MinceR | the terms are particularly incomprehensible legalese so i can't confirm if they're still that way | Aug 14 20:06 |
| MinceR | maybe this is it >> https://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/itunes/vppbusiness/au/terms.html | Aug 14 20:06 |
| MinceR | maybe not | Aug 14 20:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.apple.com | iTUNES STORE - TERMS AND CONDITIONS | Aug 14 20:06 | |
| MinceR | https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/18922 | Aug 14 20:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.developer.apple.com | Does apple approve GPL based apps? |Apple Developer Forums | Aug 14 20:06 | |
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| oiaohm | psydroid: apple had a lot of big ideas but poor implementation was always a big problem. macOS server was at first meant to complete against windows 2000 full server. As I said they screwed it up. | Aug 14 20:35 |
| oiaohm | psydroid: early marketing material stated what they were wanting to compete against and it was absolutely not the SBS server. | Aug 14 20:35 |
| ---MinceR gives voice to rianne_ MrGreenFriend tiagoE | Aug 14 20:36 | |
| MinceR | yeah, apple had a lot of other people's big ideas | Aug 14 20:36 |
| MinceR | problem is, they not only pretended those were their ideas, but also tried to prevent others from using them | Aug 14 20:37 |
| MinceR | macos server could totally compete against windows 2000 server, as they're both useless pieces of shit | Aug 14 20:37 |
| psydroid | I remember installing Windows 2003 Server in VMware Workstation with my uncle, who was a Windows sysadmin, sitting next to me. Within 10 seconds of booting into it, I set up a wrong domain name that couldn't be changed anymore | Aug 14 20:42 |
| psydroid | he held on to Windows as his client operating systems until a few years ago, but these days even he doesn't bother with it anymore | Aug 14 20:43 |
| psydroid | system* | Aug 14 20:44 |
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| MinceR | :> | Aug 14 20:47 |
| schestowitz | [20:06] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- forums.developer.apple.com | Does apple approve GPL based apps? |Apple Developer Forums | Aug 14 20:59 |
| schestowitz | anyway, Apple may be dying | Aug 14 20:59 |
| MinceR | i hope they are | Aug 14 20:59 |
| schestowitz | so this question may not matter to mobile devices | Aug 14 20:59 |
| schestowitz | Android takes the whole pie | Aug 14 20:59 |
| MinceR | they've done enough damage already | Aug 14 20:59 |
| schestowitz | sales down sharply | Aug 14 21:00 |
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| psydroid | as they should be | Aug 14 21:37 |
| scientes | how do i speed up my scroll wheel? | Aug 14 21:39 |
| scientes | its butt slow | Aug 14 21:39 |
| scientes | slow as molasses | Aug 14 21:39 |
| scientes | there, more mature language | Aug 14 21:39 |
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| MinceR | https://full.pr0gramm.com/2019/07/28/9ba805c57aadd781.jpg | Aug 14 21:52 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Siemki jest'? A jesli najdu? | Aug 14 21:56 |
| MinceR | shoot? | Aug 14 21:56 |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/07/28/1539c645dfea1ce8.png | Aug 14 21:57 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: A pozvoňiť budet? | Aug 14 22:00 |
| MinceR | i don't speak any slavic language well enough for this | Aug 14 22:01 |
| XRevan86 | Do you have sunflower seeds? And if I find any? -- And for a call? | Aug 14 22:02 |
| XRevan86 | s/any/some/ | Aug 14 22:02 |
| MinceR | oh. :> | Aug 14 22:03 |
| XRevan86 | Except "siemki" is colloquially short and "sunflower seeds" is two words. | Aug 14 22:03 |
| XRevan86 | s/budet/buďet/ | Aug 14 22:04 |
| *XRevan86 found the right letter in the Čech alphabet, probably means something else now though. | Aug 14 22:05 | |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 14 22:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I used Windows 2000 for quite a while. | Aug 14 22:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It ran most everything XP did, and it ran better than XP did on my computer. | Aug 14 22:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft always claims that the latest product is great and their previous one is shit. | Aug 14 22:07 |
| XRevan86 | Oh wait, it means exactly what I needed. Nice. | Aug 14 22:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They've always done that. | Aug 14 22:07 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiced_palatal_stop | Aug 14 22:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Voiced palatal stop - Wikipedia | Aug 14 22:07 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Once they're not selling something anymore, it's shit. | Aug 14 22:07 |
| MinceR | the truth is that everything they make is shit | Aug 14 22:07 |
| MinceR | and generally newer versions are worse than older versions | Aug 14 22:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It gets worse with time. | Aug 14 22:07 |
| scientes | uggggh, wayland makes it impossible to remap keys or speed up scroll wheel | Aug 14 22:07 |
| scientes | why can't I do BASIC things | Aug 14 22:07 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: This also means that the letter ť is used for the same sound as "ty" in Hungarian. | Aug 14 22:10 |
| MinceR | because waylandows is all about omitting basic functionality | Aug 14 22:10 |
| MinceR | sometimes claiming it's for "security" | Aug 14 22:10 |
| MinceR | and also claiming that it's totally ready to replace X11 already | Aug 14 22:10 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: sounds reasonable | Aug 14 22:10 |
| scientes | i don't care if I have to run it as root | Aug 14 22:10 |
| scientes | remapping keys is basic functionlity | Aug 14 22:11 |
| MinceR | also, remapping keys may need some libinput magic | Aug 14 22:11 |
| scientes | i just want my extra mouse butons to be page-up page-down | Aug 14 22:11 |
| scientes | instead of the useless defaults | Aug 14 22:11 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_orthography#%22Soft%22_I_and_%22Hard%22_Y hah | Aug 14 22:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Czech orthography - Wikipedia | Aug 14 22:13 | |
| XRevan86 | Čech used to have an Ы sound, it went away but the letter stayed. | Aug 14 22:13 |
| scientes | english use to have a trilled R, and now its all schwas with dead vowels | Aug 14 22:14 |
| scientes | fossils | Aug 14 22:14 |
| scientes | uggh, i need to look around for a cheaper and higher dpi mouse | Aug 14 22:14 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I cannot do the trilled R, I am deeply offended :D | Aug 14 22:15 |
| scientes | nonsense | Aug 14 22:15 |
| XRevan86 | that's bullying | Aug 14 22:15 |
| scientes | you know i've been studying russian, right? | Aug 14 22:15 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Yes, my speech is impaired this way. | Aug 14 22:16 |
| scientes | I have to admit this is pretty funny | Aug 14 22:16 |
| XRevan86 | In some way my English pronunciation is more proper than my Russian | Aug 14 22:17 |
| scientes | Russian has so much more grammar | Aug 14 22:17 |
| scientes | anyways, talking about a language with another language is now way to learn | Aug 14 22:18 |
| scientes | *no | Aug 14 22:18 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Russian also has non-facultative punctuation rules. | Aug 14 22:19 |
| scientes | i've learned three words for girls | Aug 14 22:19 |
| scientes | and you have to use them in different contexts | Aug 14 22:20 |
| XRevan86 | девочка, девушка, девка, девица, деваха, дивчина… | Aug 14 22:20 |
| XRevan86 | девчонка | Aug 14 22:20 |
| scientes | hehehee | Aug 14 22:21 |
| scientes | that last one i was about to ask about | Aug 14 22:21 |
| scientes | the non-specific plural | Aug 14 22:21 |
| XRevan86 | девчата? | Aug 14 22:22 |
| scientes | wow, no idea there were so many | Aug 14 22:22 |
| scientes | yeah the last one | Aug 14 22:22 |
| XRevan86 | It is an inflective language after all. All those words share a root. | Aug 14 22:22 |
| scientes | what about девлаце | Aug 14 22:23 |
| scientes | maybe no l | Aug 14 22:24 |
| XRevan86 | uh | Aug 14 22:24 |
| scientes | дев | Aug 14 22:24 |
| scientes | девушки | Aug 14 22:24 |
| MinceR | (audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/07/28/f4302431c99c54fe.mp4 | Aug 14 22:25 |
| scientes | ^^^that one | Aug 14 22:25 |
| scientes | the "actual" plural | Aug 14 22:25 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: That's for late teen girls. Or for single women. | Aug 14 22:26 |
| XRevan86 | or a girlfriend | Aug 14 22:26 |
| XRevan86 | like парень for boys | Aug 14 22:26 |
| scientes | what about multiple niña? | Aug 14 22:26 |
| XRevan86 | that's plural | Aug 14 22:27 |
| XRevan86 | ah | Aug 14 22:27 |
| XRevan86 | девочки | Aug 14 22:27 |
| scientes | ahhh yes | Aug 14 22:27 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_orthography#Letter_%C4%9A the very next thing | Aug 14 22:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Czech orthography - Wikipedia | Aug 14 22:30 | |
| XRevan86 | > In words like vjezd (entry, drive-in) objem (volume), ⟨bje, vje⟩ are written because in such cases –je- is etymologically preceded by the prefixes v- or ob- | Aug 14 22:30 |
| XRevan86 | That's obvious to a Russian as yes, въезд, объём | Aug 14 22:31 |
| XRevan86 | I bet Čechs have to memorise these things. | Aug 14 22:32 |
| XRevan86 | > The first-person singular pronouns mě (for the genitive and accusative cases) and mně (for the dative and locative) are homophones [mɲɛ] | Aug 14 22:34 |
| XRevan86 | I can see how that came to be. | Aug 14 22:34 |
| XRevan86 | but spelling makes no sense | Aug 14 22:35 |
| XRevan86 | Historically that's мене and мьнѣ respectively. | Aug 14 22:39 |
| XRevan86 | so mene and m'(schwa)nie | Aug 14 22:40 |
| XRevan86 | in Greater Russian that transformed into: m'eňa and mnie | Aug 14 22:44 |
| XRevan86 | it is thought that "m'eňa" came to be as a result of weird love of "m'eňe" and "m'a" to exactly avoid confusion after jať (ѣ) started to mean the same thing as just "е" | Aug 14 22:46 |
| XRevan86 | That's why it caught my eye that in Čech those are homophones | Aug 14 22:48 |
| XRevan86 | Parallel history, similiar issues, different outcomes :) | Aug 14 22:48 |
| XRevan86 | And in Ukrainian that's mene and meni (respectively). Partial palatalisation loss (not "m'eni") + jať (ѣ) shifting to "i". | Aug 14 22:58 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19061853 | Aug 14 23:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Aug 14 23:25 | |
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