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| schestowitz | RahmanuHELL | Aug 14 00:00 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | No, Rahm was actually doing a better job with the Chicago Police than this one. | Aug 14 00:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's why he had to go, you see. | Aug 14 00:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now all hell has broken loose and nobody is giving the police permission to do their job. | Aug 14 00:00 |
| schestowitz | mass incarceration does not work either | Aug 14 00:00 |
| schestowitz | not even financially | Aug 14 00:01 |
| schestowitz | set aside social aspects of it | Aug 14 00:01 |
| *zoobab (zoobab@5.226.149.169) has joined #techrights | Aug 14 00:01 | |
| schestowitz | when almost 1% of your people are clothed, guarded, fed | Aug 14 00:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's probably the best we can do. | Aug 14 00:01 |
| schestowitz | to just be put on 'life supply' | Aug 14 00:01 |
| schestowitz | it's a a bit of a rock and hard place thing | Aug 14 00:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The only alternative that's cheaper and guarantees they won't commit felonies again is shoot em. | Aug 14 00:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nobody will let that happen, so lock em up. It's all we've got. | Aug 14 00:01 |
| schestowitz | also doesn't work | Aug 14 00:02 |
| schestowitz | causes resentment | Aug 14 00:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most countries that laugh about this wouldn't tolerate it if it was going on there. | Aug 14 00:02 |
| schestowitz | delegitimises the state | Aug 14 00:02 |
| schestowitz | causes uprising, can cause the gov. to be toppld | Aug 14 00:02 |
| schestowitz | *toppled | Aug 14 00:02 |
| schestowitz | the issue in the US is multi-faceted | Aug 14 00:02 |
| schestowitz | I think inequality contributes a lot to it | Aug 14 00:02 |
| schestowitz | going back to slavery days | Aug 14 00:03 |
| schestowitz | that persisted over the centuries | Aug 14 00:03 |
| Narrator | well, people are not necessary | Aug 14 00:03 |
| schestowitz | so the US has a MAAAAASIVE "underclass" | Aug 14 00:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's why they need to knock over Gucci and say "Oh yeah, I be finna get me somma dat!". | Aug 14 00:03 |
| schestowitz | and now it pays the price | Aug 14 00:03 |
| schestowitz | It cannot just 'euthanise' the underclass | Aug 14 00:03 |
| schestowitz | so it comes home to roost | Aug 14 00:03 |
| Narrator | we don't need people | Aug 14 00:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Hurry up! Cut the cable cut the cable here come da popo!" | Aug 14 00:03 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: not a racial thing | Aug 14 00:04 |
| schestowitz | class thing | Aug 14 00:04 |
| schestowitz | slaves and their ancestors worse off | Aug 14 00:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I didn't see any white people looting even though a lot of us are poor as shit too. | Aug 14 00:04 |
| schestowitz | cut the racist stereotypes please | Aug 14 00:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Why? The state does shit to us if we break laws. | Aug 14 00:04 |
| schestowitz | have some dignity, your husband too might be on the receiving end with Orange Nazi and MAGA cult | Aug 14 00:04 |
| schestowitz | :04] <DaemonFC[m]> I didn't see any white people looting | Aug 14 00:05 |
| schestowitz | look at Wall Street | Aug 14 00:05 |
| schestowitz | Look at Trump's circle | Aug 14 00:05 |
| schestowitz | mostly white, maybe 98% of it | Aug 14 00:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If anyone can show me where, in the loop, a white person was looting and breaking windows and stuff, I'll eat my words. | Aug 14 00:05 |
| schestowitz | they loot at an order of magnitude (or three) higher | Aug 14 00:05 |
| schestowitz | as they did months ago | Aug 14 00:05 |
| schestowitz | national debt did not go through the roof because some shops were broken into | Aug 14 00:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In fact, I'd say what would put me in more danger if I did go loot the loop would be that in the entire crowd, I'd be the easiest thing for the police to spot. | Aug 14 00:06 |
| schestowitz | one loots with a hoodie | Aug 14 00:06 |
| schestowitz | another with a suit | Aug 14 00:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And if they shoot me, no uproar. | Aug 14 00:06 |
| schestowitz | you're intelligent enough to understand the end result | Aug 14 00:06 |
| schestowitz | those who fake eviction and cannot even visit a physicians are victims of "health" "care" lobbyists | Aug 14 00:07 |
| schestowitz | *physician | Aug 14 00:07 |
| schestowitz | *face | Aug 14 00:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, you might get away with $10,000 worth of shit, or you might go to prison for 10 years. | Aug 14 00:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not worth the risk, honestly. | Aug 14 00:07 |
| schestowitz | it's not worth that money | Aug 14 00:07 |
| schestowitz | they sell it for like 40 times production cost | Aug 14 00:07 |
| schestowitz | same for jewelry | Aug 14 00:08 |
| Narrator | https://twitter.com/PartitComunista/status/1272958006083411969/photo/1 | Aug 14 00:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@PartitComunista: #GeorgesFloyd non è morto in quanto nero, ma in quanto povero, e il problema negli #USA non è il colore della pelle… https://t.co/qjKvYhiJlk | Aug 14 00:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@PartitComunista: #GeorgesFloyd non è morto in quanto nero, ma in quanto povero, e il problema negli #USA non è il colore della pelle… https://t.co/qjKvYhiJlk | Aug 14 00:08 | |
| schestowitz | yesterday we went to a department store where they put on sale night gowns at 100 pounds | Aug 14 00:08 |
| schestowitz | same for towels | Aug 14 00:08 |
| schestowitz | bathrobes | Aug 14 00:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, schestowitz Mom was talking about a homeless guy that was living in a football stadium and when she got to the part where "He stole $1,549 worth of team clothing from the gift shop." I stopped her. | Aug 14 00:08 |
| schestowitz | pyjamas | Aug 14 00:08 |
| schestowitz | silly branded "RL" | Aug 14 00:08 |
| schestowitz | probably made in the far east | Aug 14 00:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "They pay like $2 for that and charge $59.99 because you're there and it's a football game.". | Aug 14 00:08 |
| schestowitz | true | Aug 14 00:09 |
| schestowitz | the real scandal is the margins | Aug 14 00:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They were probably quoting list price, not cost to purchase. So he probably got $100 worth of stuff, if that. | Aug 14 00:09 |
| schestowitz | and the exploitation it implies | Aug 14 00:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If they said $1,549. | Aug 14 00:09 |
| schestowitz | anyway, we at techrights focus on the high level ripoffs | Aug 14 00:09 |
| schestowitz | the shop looters are "Small Timers.." | Aug 14 00:09 |
| Narrator | regarding white/black "problem";-) | Aug 14 00:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, I told her "It's like those software and movie companies that say piracy costs the economy as much as the Iraq War.". | Aug 14 00:10 |
| schestowitz | The real value of what's stolen -- and yes, it is THEFT and NOT acceptable -- is like 1,000 TIMES less than what the corporations and GOP did months afo | Aug 14 00:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "It's creative accounting, I'll give them that.". | Aug 14 00:10 |
| schestowitz | *ago | Aug 14 00:10 |
| schestowitz | focus on the BIG issues | Aug 14 00:10 |
| schestowitz | the media talks about riots and shops and then looting isn't associated with 2008 and 2020 bailouts | Aug 14 00:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It must be nice to be the rip off artists in big corporations. | Aug 14 00:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Officer, those three t-shirts and a duffelbag and sweatpants are $1,549 worth of stuff!" | Aug 14 00:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Therefore, Grand Larceny! Get him!" | Aug 14 00:11 |
| *schestowitz uploaded irc logs | Aug 14 00:11 | |
| schestowitz | irc-log-techrights-130820.html | Aug 14 00:11 |
| schestowitz | 360k today | Aug 14 00:11 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: back to topic, please. About Jones | Aug 14 00:12 |
| schestowitz | I posted about it this morning | Aug 14 00:12 |
| schestowitz | angle was this: http://techrights.org/2020/08/13/ncmec-db/ | Aug 14 00:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC) Identified Some of the Children in the Pornographic ‘Stash’ of Bill Gates’ Engineer | Techrights | Aug 14 00:12 | |
| schestowitz | I think we can squeeze out more stories out of it | Aug 14 00:13 |
| schestowitz | I will not publish those PDFs because of the hashes in them | Aug 14 00:13 |
| schestowitz | but I can privately share with you for analysis | Aug 14 00:13 |
| schestowitz | We have a lot of his HDD contents | Aug 14 00:13 |
| schestowitz | by filename | Aug 14 00:13 |
| schestowitz | and may be able to study, based on those 40,000 (almost) filenames what he was up to | Aug 14 00:14 |
| schestowitz | but it's no small task | Aug 14 00:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It sounded to me from what I know that he was collecting entire "series". | Aug 14 00:15 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | It's apparently pretty common for people who do abuse videos to do many of them between a certain age until the child gets too old to be of interest to a pervert. | Aug 14 00:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Some of the people who have been in the videos have talked about it in interviews later on. | Aug 14 00:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What Epstein did where he'd have sex with a minor and then immediately toss them like $200 is fairly typical apparently. | Aug 14 00:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | To a kid that's a bunch of money, meanwhile this guy has an island. | Aug 14 00:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If he had been smarter he probably would have worked out some kind of an arrangement where he just keeps paying them as long as they don't say anything. | Aug 14 00:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Throwing $200 at someone is not enough to get them to keep quiet about it forever. | Aug 14 00:18 |
| schestowitz | seems like tumblr was a source of some of the CP | Aug 14 00:19 |
| schestowitz | e.g. " | Aug 14 00:19 |
| schestowitz | S:\Ian\14-22121 Jones\Deduplicated Evidence | Aug 14 00:19 |
| schestowitz | Files\5\uncut italian boy strips, wanks and cums - | Aug 14 00:19 |
| schestowitz | clip0040 - wankoncam.tumblr.com.avi | Aug 14 00:19 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 14 00:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Yes, some ended up on Tumblr. | Aug 14 00:19 |
| schestowitz | Also, I notice many filenames with names in them of east European or Russian CP | Aug 14 00:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was quite often that accounts just wouldn't be there anymore. | Aug 14 00:19 |
| schestowitz | Like I said, you could further analyse these | Aug 14 00:19 |
| schestowitz | at a later stage we can cross-correlate with something | Aug 14 00:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There are Tumblr archives from years back. Nothing ever really disappears once it's on the internet. | Aug 14 00:20 |
| schestowitz | remember that Gates' science right-hand who Epstein entrusted to his will is Croatian | Aug 14 00:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: There's reddits that get questionable uploads. | Aug 14 00:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's like, they say nobody under 18 but how do you even enforce that when you don't make them prove it with an ID or something? | Aug 14 00:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't think "Apple threatened us." is the real story behind Tumblr. | Aug 14 00:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think they got tired with all the teenagers uploading pictures and then who knows how much of it is legal or not? | Aug 14 00:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The prosecutors don't even know. | Aug 14 00:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which is why they just hurry up and charge what they can prove. | Aug 14 00:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can't tell me that every "18 year old" that uploads to reddit is actually 18. | Aug 14 00:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wouldn't be surprised if there's a Reddit porn ban at some point. I don't even know how it lasted this long. | Aug 14 00:22 |
| schestowitz | There are hundreds of video files flagged by NCMEC as CP | Aug 14 00:22 |
| schestowitz | from various sources | Aug 14 00:23 |
| schestowitz | we don't know when he was hired by Gates | Aug 14 00:23 |
| schestowitz | we do know, based on his own words, that:" | Aug 14 00:23 |
| schestowitz | 1) he has been a pedo since teen years | Aug 14 00:23 |
| schestowitz | 2) he collected for at least a decade | Aug 14 00:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Bill Gates is never going to tell and nobody who interviews him will ask. | Aug 14 00:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So good luck with that. | Aug 14 00:23 |
| schestowitz | so, assuming vetting process does exist for the Gates mansion, did they know? | Aug 14 00:23 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: does not matter what Bill says | Aug 14 00:24 |
| schestowitz | he got caughy lying already | Aug 14 00:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They would probably know if he had prior offenses/arrests that he didn't expunge. | Aug 14 00:24 |
| schestowitz | e.g. NYTimes catching him in a lie about Epstein ties | Aug 14 00:24 |
| schestowitz | what we publish speaks for itself | Aug 14 00:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In some states, certain felonies can be expunged but are still viewable. | Aug 14 00:24 |
| schestowitz | and is backed by evidence, unlike a lot of speculative stuff on the WW | Aug 14 00:24 |
| schestowitz | WWW | Aug 14 00:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | However, in Indiana expunging a felony that remains viewable makes it contempt of the law to take a negative hiring action against someone for it. | Aug 14 00:25 |
| schestowitz | I am surprised you cannot find any info about it other than articles about the trial | Aug 14 00:25 |
| schestowitz | we have even his middle name | Aug 14 00:25 |
| schestowitz | let me have a go in google.com | Aug 14 00:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: In practical effect, most hiring background checks won't list expunged viewable felonies because they don't want to open themselves up to a MAJOR punishment. | Aug 14 00:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So the employer may still not know. | Aug 14 00:26 |
| schestowitz | ah, "rich allen jones epstein" comes up with techrights at the top of results | Aug 14 00:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Are you Google bombing yourself with this? | Aug 14 00:26 |
| schestowitz | BTW, pro tip | Aug 14 00:26 |
| schestowitz | if you want to find something relevant fast | Aug 14 00:27 |
| schestowitz | go to google images | Aug 14 00:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "I am surprised you cannot find a"> Well, I'm not surprised. | Aug 14 00:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Try searching for me and you probably won't find anything. | Aug 14 00:27 |
| schestowitz | it's easier for a human to assess things faster from images, then follow, then to digest loads of text | Aug 14 00:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I sent take down orders to all of those people finder sites. | Aug 14 00:27 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: the searches are pretty innocent | Aug 14 00:27 |
| schestowitz | predictable, too | Aug 14 00:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's surprisingly easy to disappear from most of them. | Aug 14 00:27 |
| schestowitz | I really cannot find any photo, even a police mugshot, of this person | Aug 14 00:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I couldn't find him on the Sex Offender Registry in any place that he was listed as having lived. | Aug 14 00:28 |
| schestowitz | nikolic yes | Aug 14 00:29 |
| schestowitz | not Jones | Aug 14 00:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I also searched through the non-compliant offenders, and he wasn't there. | Aug 14 00:29 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: another person could not find him either | Aug 14 00:29 |
| schestowitz | the judge ruled he should be on those | Aug 14 00:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The non-coms are even creepier looking than the regular ones though. God damn. | Aug 14 00:29 |
| schestowitz | Some pedesta stuff is coming up | Aug 14 00:30 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Did you search the Appeals Court records? | Aug 14 00:30 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRZzLM6k7VOOEQ1_CZiyEQvU-7u-zncvLam3ZU-1EnEyuZV6YU&s | Aug 14 00:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's possible that he made a motion for sentence modification after his probation was over. | Aug 14 00:30 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: no, did not pursue that | Aug 14 00:30 |
| schestowitz | the video segment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhYju79D5yA | Aug 14 00:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Shocking news! Bill Gates pedophillic connections (more than just Jeffrey Epstein) - YouTube | Aug 14 00:31 | |
| schestowitz | maybe we need to mirror this video in case it vanishes one day | Aug 14 00:31 |
| schestowitz | maybe we did already | Aug 14 00:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Well, you can motion the court for anything you want. | Aug 14 00:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They usually deny it, but what else are you doing in jail? | Aug 14 00:34 |
| schestowitz | I think I linked to this video beore | Aug 14 00:36 |
| schestowitz | but not sure if I also backed up and uploaded it | Aug 14 00:37 |
| schestowitz | so odd, I cannot remember, but it seems not | Aug 14 00:37 |
| schestowitz | worst case, I upload it twice | Aug 14 00:37 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: maybe you can | Aug 14 00:37 |
| schestowitz | I know how to | Aug 14 00:37 |
| schestowitz | but not USian, so... | Aug 14 00:37 |
| schestowitz | let's find where else I mentioned it | Aug 14 00:39 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: maybe I embedded it from youtube or something | Aug 14 00:40 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: does the English here make sense? http://techrights.org/2020/08/13/rick-allen-jones-arrest/ | Aug 14 00:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Backup: KIRO Report About Arrest of Rick Allen Jones | Techrights | Aug 14 00:40 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: if you can find out more info, it will help | Aug 14 00:42 |
| schestowitz | remember these reports predates all the epstein shitstorm | Aug 14 00:42 |
| schestowitz | (with gates found connected at least partly to the shitstorm) | Aug 14 00:42 |
| schestowitz | I wonder... if there a good redaction tool that can omit in a a large file a particular range? | Aug 14 00:45 |
| schestowitz | like, hiding the hashes? | Aug 14 00:45 |
| schestowitz | I cannot do this manually for thousands of pages | Aug 14 00:45 |
| schestowitz | I could write some scripts with imagemagick | Aug 14 00:48 |
| schestowitz | but it's a big task and then I'm left with many images, not a PDF | Aug 14 00:48 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: can you find out if Pamela Jones is his mom | Aug 14 00:53 |
| schestowitz | sister's name Kerri | Aug 14 00:53 |
| schestowitz | he used her as an excuse to get off with no punishment | Aug 14 00:53 |
| schestowitz | claiming she was ill and stuff | Aug 14 00:53 |
| schestowitz | https://www.whitepages.com/name/Richard-A-Jones/Everett-WA/172hpdw9 | Aug 14 00:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.whitepages.com | NO TITLE | Aug 14 00:54 | |
| schestowitz | [00:33] <schestowitz> Family & relatives | Aug 14 00:54 |
| schestowitz | [00:33] <schestowitz> Pamela E Jones | Aug 14 00:54 |
| schestowitz | [00:33] <schestowitz> Age 70s | Aug 14 00:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 18034 N 20th Pkwy | Aug 14 01:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Phoenix AZ 85023-1335 | Aug 14 01:00 |
| schestowitz | I searched "Richard" | Aug 14 01:01 |
| schestowitz | Kerri | Aug 14 01:01 |
| schestowitz | Also his mom | Aug 14 01:01 |
| schestowitz | saw some obituaries | Aug 14 01:01 |
| schestowitz | but cannot confirm who that is | Aug 14 01:01 |
| schestowitz | I give up | Aug 14 01:05 |
| schestowitz | I see some dodgy sites | Aug 14 01:06 |
| schestowitz | and no pictures, no text that adds anything new | Aug 14 01:06 |
| schestowitz | seems like we're almost alone in advancing | Aug 14 01:06 |
| schestowitz | but we cannot even find or nail down his name in the databases he's supposed to be in | Aug 14 01:06 |
| schestowitz | maybe 5 years ago we still could | Aug 14 01:06 |
| schestowitz | maybe over time some things got expunged | Aug 14 01:07 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: see http://techrights.org/2020/01/13/guilty-verdict-confirmed/ | Aug 14 01:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mansion of Pedophilia – Part VII: Guilty Verdict in Case of Pedophilia (Staff at the Mansion of Bill Gates), But Where Was the Mainstream Media? | Techrights | Aug 14 01:07 | |
| schestowitz | 2018 update | Aug 14 01:07 |
| schestowitz | "order on review hearing" | Aug 14 01:07 |
| schestowitz | what is that? | Aug 14 01:08 |
| schestowitz | like annual check? | Aug 14 01:08 |
| schestowitz | 2016 notice of supervision closure | Aug 14 01:08 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: lots more in that page | Aug 14 01:09 |
| schestowitz | Pamela E Jones was in WA, then AZ, then WA again | Aug 14 01:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The supervision closure would mean that he successfully completed probation without getting caught doing anything else. | Aug 14 01:11 |
| schestowitz | she'd have to be near the son to receive help | Aug 14 01:11 |
| schestowitz | can you chase those court docs? | Aug 14 01:11 |
| schestowitz | If they request them, which costs pennies per page (cents), we can cover the costs | Aug 14 01:11 |
| schestowitz | maybe that can help lead to something | Aug 14 01:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: There might be more going on here. | Aug 14 01:16 |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/ryEOXUz | Aug 14 01:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-"Voting Rights...Arent our game." - Album on Imgur | Aug 14 01:18 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | There was a no contact order, an order for him to get HIV testing, | Aug 14 01:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | and a restitution order | Aug 14 01:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Minimum is $25 to purchase 100 pages of downloads. | Aug 14 01:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wonder why they required him to get an HIV test. | Aug 14 01:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: "we all know how plea bargain works" | Aug 14 01:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, the state just looks at the strength of the case usually and decides what to offer to avoid having to go to court. | Aug 14 01:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Guilty and Innocent alike take plea bargains because they're figured out based on the probability of the state winning at trial. | Aug 14 01:23 |
| schestowitz | do you want to order the pages? I'd pay you the 25 dollars | Aug 14 01:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Let's hold off on that. They seem to be having some database errors at the moment. | Aug 14 01:24 |
| schestowitz | afaik, nobody published or analysed these | Aug 14 01:24 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | It says contact the system administrator. | Aug 14 01:24 |
| schestowitz | ok, cheers for checking anyway | Aug 14 01:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "The ECR Online application has encountered an unexpected problem. Please contact the System Administrator." | Aug 14 01:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Maybe they're using Microsoft software. LOL | Aug 14 01:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I want to see who the no contact order protected. | Aug 14 01:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You don't suppose that David Wong was the person who got the no contact and told the state "Eww, gross, and can you make sure he didn't give me HIV while you're dealing with him!"? | Aug 14 01:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You know, maybe he didn't ask for Jones to email him that stuff. | Aug 14 01:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The detective never says. | Aug 14 01:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People will do a lot of stuff to cover their own ass. Maybe he did want the files and then when Jones got caught he threw him under the bus. | Aug 14 01:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Could be a lot of stuff in those court minutes. | Aug 14 01:28 |
| schestowitz | true | Aug 14 01:33 |
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| *DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/DORRVcRhhWYxEMQLkNvBsLMa/message.txt > | Aug 14 01:44 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | So he didn't even go to county. | Aug 14 01:44 |
| schestowitz | Case # 14-1-06789-1: | Aug 14 01:45 |
| schestowitz | - Charged with Possession of Depictions of a Minor Engaged in Sexually Explicit Conduct in the First Degree | Aug 14 01:45 |
| schestowitz | - Defendant was unknown to the victims, victims were minors | Aug 14 01:45 |
| schestowitz | - National Center for Missing & Exploited Children | Aug 14 01:45 |
| schestowitz | - Pled guilty to Possession of Depictions of a Minor Engaged in Sexual Explicit Conduct in the Second Degree and Failure to Report Depictions of Minors Engaged in Sexual Explicit Conduct | Aug 14 01:45 |
| schestowitz | - Sentenced to 12 months of community custody, 364 days suspended, 90 days on electronic home detention, and 24 months of unsupervised probation | Aug 14 01:45 |
| schestowitz | - Required to register as a sex offender | Aug 14 01:45 |
| schestowitz | - This case took almost 6 months to reach a resolution | Aug 14 01:45 |
| schestowitz | is there a URL for that text? | Aug 14 01:45 |
| schestowitz | It seems to agree with things we read and wrore | Aug 14 01:45 |
| schestowitz | *write | Aug 14 01:45 |
| schestowitz | if any such case was treated similarly, pedophiles would just laugh off the consequences of getting caught | Aug 14 01:46 |
| schestowitz | angle surveillance for a few months... | Aug 14 01:46 |
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| schestowitz | There is an actor called Richard Allan Jones | Aug 14 01:46 |
| schestowitz | https://www.imdb.com/name/nm3525905/ | Aug 14 01:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Richard Allan Jones - IMDb | Aug 14 01:47 | |
| schestowitz | very hard to locate any further details | Aug 14 01:47 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: ask for the docs if the site works again | Aug 14 01:47 |
| schestowitz | I'll sent you the cost of it | Aug 14 01:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Right now it's not even letting me access the case itself. | Aug 14 01:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'll check later. | Aug 14 01:48 |
| schestowitz | "rick Allen Jones" kerri pamela seattle\ | Aug 14 01:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Bill Gates Exposed series has something on Rick Jones. | Aug 14 01:49 |
| schestowitz | I do some more searches | Aug 14 01:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But the file host got rid of the PDFs. | Aug 14 01:49 |
| schestowitz | nothing new there, except old techrights posts | Aug 14 01:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Some UFO conspiracy website, but meh. | Aug 14 01:49 |
| schestowitz | I would be careful with that series | Aug 14 01:50 |
| schestowitz | esp. the vaccine parts | Aug 14 01:50 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/25/melinda-gates-black-people-indigenous-people-should-get-coronavirus-vaccine-first/ | Aug 14 01:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.breitbart.com | Gates: 'Black People, Indigenous People' Should Get Vaccine First | Aug 14 01:52 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Is there any truth to this? | Aug 14 01:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | By the time there is a vaccine, black people will be immune anyway from getting it. | Aug 14 01:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The disease that is. | Aug 14 01:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The infection rate in majority black/latino cities and areas in Illinois is 400% higher than it is in white-majority areas. | Aug 14 01:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're spreading it around so fast that it'll mostly be burned out in those areas by the time there's a vaccine, and then they won't get the vaccine. | Aug 14 01:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't blame them for that part. It's basically a group memory what the US government did with syphilis. | Aug 14 01:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They don't trust the government, doctors, or Bill Gates, and it's not like there's no evidence to back up the fact that the government hasn't done some fucked up things. | Aug 14 01:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Intentionally giving them syphilis (or not treating it) just to see what it would do to them? | Aug 14 01:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's barbaric. | Aug 14 01:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: This stuff has been going on a long, long time before Bill Gates. | Aug 14 01:56 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Well, a long time ago, the government exempted drug companies from vaccine lawsuits, and set up an injury compensation program. | Aug 14 02:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it's not like the companies gates is invested in would be paying for harm caused by vaccines in the US as long as they're FDA approved. | Aug 14 02:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: It seems like a good investment from that angle. If your product goes horribly, horribly wrong and the FDA rammed it through because of a pandemic, and the law already exempts you from the vaccine hurting people.... | Aug 14 02:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What is there to lose? | Aug 14 02:01 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | This lockdown is getting dumber by the minute. | Aug 14 02:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm certain that more than 7,000 people in Illinois have already killed themselves because of the lockdown. | Aug 14 02:14 |
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| oarion7 | DaemonFC[m]: I am finally laughing about it all again now that Russia has a vaccine. I don't idealize any government but Russia compared to FDA! | Aug 14 02:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.zerohedge.com/political/fake-id-seizures-mostly-china-rise | Aug 14 02:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zerohedge.com | Fake ID Seizures, Mostly From China, On the Rise | Zero Hedge | Aug 14 02:47 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Can you blame them? Thanks to these insane lockdowns, the only thing left to do is drink until you pass out. | Aug 14 02:47 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/doj-finds-yale-admissions-illegally-discriminated-against-whites-asians | Aug 14 03:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zerohedge.com | DoJ Finds Yale Admissions Illegally Discriminated Against Whites, Asians | Zero Hedge | Aug 14 03:26 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Money, racial quotas, actual test scores. | Aug 14 03:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In that order. That's how college works. | Aug 14 03:30 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/philippines-plans-russian-vaccine-trials-begin-october | Aug 14 03:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zerohedge.com | "A Vaccine Or Nothing" - Philippines Plans Russian Vaccine Trials To Begin In October | Zero Hedge | Aug 14 03:59 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Duterte plans to use Filipino Guinea Pigs for Putin's vaccine. | Aug 14 04:00 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | "BlueConic's customer data platform liberates your first-party data so you can orchestrate individualized experiences in every customer lifecycle stage." | Aug 14 05:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | LOL | Aug 14 05:29 |
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| schestowitz | [01:52] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- www.breitbart.com | Gates: 'Black People, Indigenous People' Should Get Vaccine First | Aug 14 05:45 |
| schestowitz | vaccine experts melinda french | Aug 14 05:45 |
| schestowitz | speaking of blacks like cockroaches | Aug 14 05:46 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/06/25/philanthropic-racism/ | Aug 14 05:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | “Philanthropic Racism” (Clinical Trials/Experimentation on Live Subjects and Ethnic Cleaning as ‘Public Good’) | Techrights | Aug 14 05:46 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I used to tell John that the rents in The Loop were unsustainable. | Aug 14 05:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said it was like Panem from the Hunger Games while the rest of the city were the Districts. | Aug 14 05:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The city total has an enormous economy, but it's all centered on downtown and a few other areas. | Aug 14 05:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most of it looks like Gary, Indiana or worse. | Aug 14 05:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Some of it was never rebuilt after the race riots in 1968. | Aug 14 05:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The "developers" kept trying to push further and further into black communities, snapping up their homes and the cheap apartments and using "gang raids" by the police to eventually force the criminals out of the area before the final takeover. | Aug 14 05:53 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | So now that the white flight is happening again, those huge rents and gentrification projects are gonna go bye bye. | Aug 14 05:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Chicago is devolving back to where it was in the early 90s violent crime wave and it only took months. | Aug 14 05:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It will get worse. | Aug 14 05:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | These people that want government housing forget (quickly) what it was like last time. | Aug 14 05:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Cabrini Green. You know, you had a lot of decent people living there, and then they'd have bullets flying through the walls and hitting them. Gangs controlled most of it. They had snipers on the roof. The city had no control over the building. | Aug 14 05:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The mayor moved in to prove that it wasn't that bad, and moved right back out in a couple of weeks (even though she had CPD protecting her the whole time she was there). After she was gone, the snipers and drug dealers used the emergency escape route that was put in for the mayor to make their way through the building. | Aug 14 05:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Women were being raped in the elevators. The gangs took control of the elevator power to force people to take the stairs and they'd attack people there too. | Aug 14 05:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was a complete nightmare. | Aug 14 05:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When the city shut it down and tore the buildings down, the crime just spread out and that's how the south and west sides of the city got as bad as they are now. | Aug 14 05:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There still is a Chicago Housing Authority, but it's not for poor people. It's for rich hipsters. They have like $1,400 micro apartments and a Target store. | Aug 14 05:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nobody wanted it in Rogers Park, there it was anyway. | Aug 14 05:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The government just keeps making bigger and bigger messes by trying to plan all of this stuff, whether it's socialism or crony capitalism. It's bad. | Aug 14 05:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Who controls the government is an aside from the fact that it horribly distorts markets and has singlehandedly done more to create crime, poverty, and misery than anything else in Chicago. | Aug 14 06:00 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | This rent control board is their worst idea yet. It creates 9 boards for the state of Illinois and it will assess renters an annual "fee" to pay for 11 board members in each region with 6 figure salaries and pensions to "keep the rent affordable". | Aug 14 06:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: When you say "government scheme" I always laugh. | Aug 14 06:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's how you get a disaster. Put people who know nothing about nothing in charge of things and suck tax money out of people (theft) to cover all of the stupid ideas. | Aug 14 06:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The report showing that the UK GDP slid, what was it? 27% in the last quarter? | Aug 14 06:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They decide the best use of limited taxpayer funds is pay people to pack the restaurants during a pandemic. | Aug 14 06:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like you said, exponential growth. Someone explain to our overlords how that works. | Aug 14 06:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I suppose the rent scheme that makes the most sense is just take what rents are now and cap them to the overall inflation figure for this area of the country. Hell, maybe add half a point to be a good sport. The rents were going up on us about 15-30% per year. | Aug 14 06:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Unsustainable at any rate. | Aug 14 06:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Of course an inflation cap with tax credits for building improvements would never work because it's just too smart. There aren't dozens and dozens of new Czars with huge paychecks. | Aug 14 06:07 |
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| schestowitz | [06:03] <DaemonFC[m]> The report showing that the UK GDP slid, what was it? 27% in the last quarter? | Aug 14 06:35 |
| schestowitz | URL? | Aug 14 06:35 |
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| schestowitz | https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-debt | Aug 14 06:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tradingeconomics.com | United States Government Debt | 1942-2020 Data | 2021-2022 Forecast | Historical | Aug 14 06:36 | |
| schestowitz | I know about this: https://skift.com/2020/07/31/a-33-percent-drop-in-u-s-gdp-and-the-ominous-signs-for-travels-recovery/ | Aug 14 06:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A 33 Percent Drop in U.S. GDP and the Ominous Signs for Travel's Recovery – Skift | Aug 14 06:37 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.bea.gov/news/2020/gross-domestic-product-2nd-quarter-2020-advance-estimate-and-annual-update | Aug 14 06:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bea.gov | Gross Domestic Product, 2nd Quarter 2020 (Advance Estimate) and Annual Update | U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA) | Aug 14 06:38 | |
| schestowitz | "Real gross domestic product (GDP) decreased at an annual rate of 32.9 percent in the second quarter of 2020 (table 1), according to the "advance" estimate released by the Bureau of Economic Analysis. In the first quarter, real GDP decreased 5.0 percent." | Aug 14 06:38 |
| schestowitz | "Disposable personal income increased $1.53 trillion, or 42.1 percent, in the second quarter, compared with an increase of $157.8 billion, or 3.9 percent, in the first quarter. Real disposable personal income increased 44.9 percent, compared with an increase of 2.6 percent." | Aug 14 06:40 |
| schestowitz | The GDP/debt ratio is becoming alarming | Aug 14 06:40 |
| schestowitz | and the Orange One lowered taxes on oligarchs and corporations | Aug 14 06:40 |
| schestowitz | the debt will never be repaid/paid back | Aug 14 06:40 |
| schestowitz | if the US default, there will be lots of pains... and firewarms | Aug 14 06:41 |
| schestowitz | debt up 4 trillion in less than 12 months | Aug 14 06:41 |
| schestowitz | with very little done to pay back any of it in recent years/decades | Aug 14 06:42 |
| schestowitz | It was less than 20 trillion when Orange was 'elected' | Aug 14 06:42 |
| schestowitz | now almost 27 | Aug 14 06:43 |
| schestowitz | in less than 4 years | Aug 14 06:43 |
| schestowitz | It was less than 10 when obama was elected | Aug 14 06:43 |
| schestowitz | and then they had to save the banksters | Aug 14 06:43 |
| schestowitz | after trillion were spent on Bush wars | Aug 14 06:44 |
| schestowitz | During Clinton it was mostly flat at 5 trillion | Aug 14 06:44 |
| schestowitz | this was when the US still looked somewhat solid, middle class still existed | Aug 14 06:44 |
| schestowitz | of course they propped up Waltons at al | Aug 14 06:45 |
| schestowitz | but at least the US was more or less in control of its finance | Aug 14 06:45 |
| schestowitz | *finance | Aug 14 06:45 |
| schestowitz | now it's an out-of-control consumer with many debit (debt) or credit cards maxed up | Aug 14 06:45 |
| schestowitz | and no wonder Social Security is cut | Aug 14 06:45 |
| schestowitz | Up until the 1970s the US had no real debt | Aug 14 06:46 |
| schestowitz | negligible | Aug 14 06:46 |
| schestowitz | then they left the gold standard or literal gold | Aug 14 06:46 |
| schestowitz | but the real lunacy started around the time I was born | Aug 14 06:47 |
| schestowitz | not it's growing exponentially, like COVID in the US | Aug 14 06:47 |
| schestowitz | if the plan is to steal companies from the lender (China etc.), expect war | Aug 14 06:47 |
| schestowitz | and Saudi, another VC to many US companies, has its own deep financial issues | Aug 14 06:47 |
| schestowitz | it all points towards insolvency now | Aug 14 06:48 |
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| Mogzagain | Hi :-) | Aug 14 07:21 |
| Mogzagain | I do some lurking now and then, lol, and saw psydread saying they were looking for an e-ink reader running Linux. The best I could find is Pocketbook Touch (I got the Lux4). I keep it offline, and have never set up wifi on it or gone online via it. | Aug 14 07:22 |
| Mogzagain | Also, I'm not sure if it's know that there's tensorflow hidden in some surprising programs. I'm running Anarchy/Mate (very much a beginner), but an update for lmdb came through, with only one other update, so got my attention. | Aug 14 07:23 |
| Mogzagain | Ends up the only way to remove lmdb, which is tensorflow, is to remove samba, caja-share, smbclient and mpv. I don't use these things anyway, but it's the first time I've had to remove something on Arch. A startup programme I noticed too; xapp-sn-watcher ... removed it, and system noticeably faster. | Aug 14 07:24 |
| Mogzagain | Thank goodness for Parole video player. | Aug 14 07:26 |
| Mogzagain | I'd stopped xapp-sn-watcher from running on startup, but it was back after a reboot, so only removing it worked. | Aug 14 07:28 |
| Mogzagain | Someone on the mint forum is saying this eats lots of ram, and they get the response that it's a new part of apparatus for supporting application icons in the system tray. Hosted on github of course. | Aug 14 07:30 |
| schestowitz | hi | Aug 14 07:30 |
| Mogzagain | Hi Roy :-) | Aug 14 07:31 |
| schestowitz | what does mint host on btw? | Aug 14 07:31 |
| schestowitz | iirc, they also use some dodgy hosting for their own code | Aug 14 07:31 |
| Mogzagain | It looks like github for this app. Not sure about the rest. | Aug 14 07:31 |
| Mogzagain | Yes, surprising how many links and places always end up at github. | Aug 14 07:31 |
| Mogzagain | https://github.com/linuxmint | Aug 14 07:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux Mint · GitHub | Aug 14 07:32 | |
| Mogzagain | looks like it's possibly all github | Aug 14 07:32 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Aug 14 07:33 |
| Mogzagain | a shame, as their stand against snaps, plus getting more independent from ubuntu, is good | Aug 14 07:33 |
| schestowitz | really bad | Aug 14 07:33 |
| schestowitz | mint isn't a libre-aware distro | Aug 14 07:33 |
| schestowitz | this is why we use Debian here | Aug 14 07:34 |
| Mogzagain | I left it 18 months ago, as if the occasional really big blooper happened, they'd not listen, plus suddenly it was about lots of bits and pieces not being as accessible eg graphics tablets used to be automatically seen, and were changed to not being seen, etc. And asking made no diff. | Aug 14 07:35 |
| Mogzagain | Good that Debian is more libre-aware. | Aug 14 07:35 |
| schestowitz | for now anyway | Aug 14 07:35 |
| Mogzagain | yes | Aug 14 07:35 |
| schestowitz | nothing is perfect | Aug 14 07:35 |
| schestowitz | nothing is ..... "mint" | Aug 14 07:35 |
| schestowitz | but given regressions over the years | Aug 14 07:35 |
| Mogzagain | You're right; seems to be must look as hard as possible for what is the best option, and harden that as much as can. | Aug 14 07:35 |
| Mogzagain | lol | Aug 14 07:36 |
| schestowitz | anything that does not concede as quickly as the general trend... good | Aug 14 07:36 |
| schestowitz | debian still excludes proprietary blobs | Aug 14 07:36 |
| Mogzagain | yes, anybody making a good stand is doing a good thing | Aug 14 07:36 |
| schestowitz | as the FSF asked them | Aug 14 07:36 |
| schestowitz | not the FSF pres is a GitHub user | Aug 14 07:36 |
| Mogzagain | are the blobs still optional? or has that changed? | Aug 14 07:36 |
| schestowitz | *used | Aug 14 07:36 |
| schestowitz | optional | Aug 14 07:36 |
| schestowitz | we had to load them into the installer using a usb drive, with a file downloaded from the WWW | Aug 14 07:37 |
| Mogzagain | yes, not good news re FSF pres ... Alexandre would have been perfect. | Aug 14 07:37 |
| Mogzagain | good re optional | Aug 14 07:37 |
| schestowitz | which I am OK with, at least they don't make assumptions and force it onto it | Aug 14 07:37 |
| schestowitz | (it's just for wifi) | Aug 14 07:37 |
| Mogzagain | Yes, force is unacceptable, for sure | Aug 14 07:37 |
| schestowitz | I am very happy with Buster | Aug 14 07:37 |
| schestowitz | my wife uses it too | Aug 14 07:37 |
| Mogzagain | Good | Aug 14 07:37 |
| schestowitz | very reliable and we use no blobs other than this wifi firmware | Aug 14 07:38 |
| schestowitz | it might be possible to get it running without the blob, but I did not try... have bad experience trying such things | Aug 14 07:38 |
| Mogzagain | Good to get to use a system you like and settle with that. I'm like that with Mate, although some papercuts showing; starting to need an update! | Aug 14 07:38 |
| schestowitz | KDE is goof | Aug 14 07:38 |
| schestowitz | *good | Aug 14 07:38 |
| schestowitz | GNU/Linux is very, very good | Aug 14 07:38 |
| Mogzagain | Yes, I stay away from wifi/networky stuff | Aug 14 07:38 |
| Mogzagain | lol | Aug 14 07:38 |
| schestowitz | just needs better fighting, more marketing etc. | Aug 14 07:39 |
| schestowitz | we were always weak on the promotion side | Aug 14 07:39 |
| Mogzagain | goof sounded right, lol | Aug 14 07:39 |
| schestowitz | and we know whose side Pentagon is on | Aug 14 07:39 |
| schestowitz | they want back doors (APple, Microsoft, Android/Google) on every device | Aug 14 07:39 |
| Mogzagain | left that too, and tend to see posts where ppl conscerned incase KDE privacy issues | Aug 14 07:39 |
| schestowitz | even chromebook... perfect... all your files in "the clown" | Aug 14 07:39 |
| schestowitz | KDE Kate did some telemetry | Aug 14 07:40 |
| schestowitz | I think Christian fixed that | Aug 14 07:40 |
| schestowitz | after getting caught with people complaining | Aug 14 07:40 |
| Mogzagain | Pentagon needs to be put on some desert island, along with other governments etc | Aug 14 07:40 |
| schestowitz | you cannot scroll up, so... | Aug 14 07:40 |
| schestowitz | [06:40] <schestowitz> "Disposable personal income increased $1.53 trillion, or 42.1 percent, in the second quarter, compared with an increase of $157.8 billion, or 3.9 percent, in the first quarter. Real disposable personal income increased 44.9 percent, compared with an increase of 2.6 percent." | Aug 14 07:40 |
| Mogzagain | big tech ott influence eg main invidio.us instance stops on Sept 1st, and google quickly come in to block up other instances | Aug 14 07:40 |
| schestowitz | [06:40] <schestowitz> The GDP/debt ratio is becoming alarming | Aug 14 07:40 |
| schestowitz | [06:40] <schestowitz> and the Orange One lowered taxes on oligarchs and corporations | Aug 14 07:40 |
| schestowitz | [06:41] <schestowitz> debt up 4 trillion in less than 12 months | Aug 14 07:40 |
| schestowitz | [06:42] <schestowitz> with very little done to pay back any of it in recent years/decades | Aug 14 07:41 |
| schestowitz | [06:42] <schestowitz> It was less than 20 trillion when Orange was 'elected' | Aug 14 07:41 |
| schestowitz | [06:43] <schestowitz> now almost 27 | Aug 14 07:41 |
| schestowitz | [06:43] <schestowitz> in less than 4 years | Aug 14 07:41 |
| schestowitz | [06:43] <schestowitz> It was less than 10 when obama was elected | Aug 14 07:41 |
| schestowitz | give it time; like Microsoft, it might collapse | Aug 14 07:41 |
| schestowitz | Trump tries to 'bail out' with TikTok and more | Aug 14 07:41 |
| schestowitz | not Tencent | Aug 14 07:41 |
| Mogzagain | yes, won't touch KDE again | Aug 14 07:41 |
| schestowitz | these are the sign of empire dying, not just in decline | Aug 14 07:41 |
| schestowitz | aggressively stealing other countries' firms, using blackmail tactics | Aug 14 07:41 |
| Mogzagain | shocking state of affairs what's going on this year; dreadful for ppl, losing jobs, not getting health treatment, numbers fudged, businesses closing, etc etc etc | Aug 14 07:42 |
| schestowitz | anyway, gnu linux should 'hang in there' | Aug 14 07:42 |
| schestowitz | even china moved to it | Aug 14 07:42 |
| schestowitz | reportedly assigned like 10,000 chinese engineers to improve it. Russia and South Korea--same | Aug 14 07:42 |
| schestowitz | Europe still in bed with GAFAM because of NATO/US | Aug 14 07:43 |
| schestowitz | but might change allegiances at one point | Aug 14 07:43 |
| Mogzagain | I think a lot of the time such as Trump are all doing a pantomime of some kind ie all friends in the background e.g. with big tech, but they like to distract and confuse the public, while doing whatever they want behind the scenes | Aug 14 07:43 |
| schestowitz | Germany seems to be cooling on US and getting in better terms with china now | Aug 14 07:43 |
| schestowitz | Mogzagain: your theory is correct | Aug 14 07:43 |
| schestowitz | Noam Chomsky said it years ago | Aug 14 07:43 |
| schestowitz | ahead of anyone noticing | Aug 14 07:44 |
| Mogzagain | eek, as long as china just runs it ... don't want any code, thanks, lol | Aug 14 07:44 |
| schestowitz | John Bolton even admitted Trump was throwing distraction bombs | Aug 14 07:44 |
| schestowitz | e.g. when Ivanka had an email scandal almost identical to HRC's | Aug 14 07:44 |
| schestowitz | Mogzagain: you don't need to use their binaries | Aug 14 07:44 |
| schestowitz | they use it out of lack of options | Aug 14 07:44 |
| schestowitz | they cannot rely on Apple, Microsoft and Google OSes for their citizens, army... | Aug 14 07:45 |
| Mogzagain | yes, smoke and mirrors. I always question straight away what the system could be distracting people from. | Aug 14 07:45 |
| schestowitz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PloZcO8Tfj8 | Aug 14 07:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Noam Chomsky: Trump Administration is Aiming to Decimate All Programs to Help Working People - YouTube | Aug 14 07:45 | |
| schestowitz | but this is not the interview I was looking for | Aug 14 07:45 |
| schestowitz | THIS one is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQvig0KvUaE | Aug 14 07:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Noam Chomsky: Donald Trump is a Distraction - YouTube | Aug 14 07:46 | |
| schestowitz | it's a good video, overlaid with images | Aug 14 07:46 |
| Mogzagain | Yes, if you skim various news places (or RSS them etc) often see similar things happen at the same time eg 2 ereaders companies made big changes this week, which threatens future of their products ... I read that as probably re-aligning with the cloud/iot/machine-learning/something dodgy they prefer or got a good deal for. | Aug 14 07:46 |
| schestowitz | Either way, this is his seventh ongoing bankruptcy | Aug 14 07:46 |
| schestowitz | Social Security next to be chopped | Aug 14 07:46 |
| schestowitz | EPA and FCC etc. gutted | Aug 14 07:46 |
| schestowitz | SNAP | Aug 14 07:46 |
| Mogzagain | Same doubts with Mozilla ... laying off major sections could mean their plans are something we may not like. | Aug 14 07:46 |
| schestowitz | yeah, let people starve, then wonder why they riot :/ | Aug 14 07:47 |
| schestowitz | Mozilla was living on borrowed time and Google cash for too long | Aug 14 07:47 |
| schestowitz | I hope we can demolish the Web | Aug 14 07:47 |
| Mogzagain | Thanks for YT link ... 1st time using hexchat instead of accessing IRC on your site, so have copied the link and will check it out later | Aug 14 07:47 |
| schestowitz | it won't be easy | Aug 14 07:47 |
| schestowitz | but dismantling it would serve us well | Aug 14 07:47 |
| schestowitz | Tim B-L is trying something, but he outsourced the code to Microsoft (Github), so I lost all interest | Aug 14 07:48 |
| schestowitz | it's also a JavaScript bomb | Aug 14 07:48 |
| schestowitz | Mogzagain: the second of the video is more relevant | Aug 14 07:48 |
| Mogzagain | about invidio.us ... Freetube's Preston rushing through his rewrite, hoping that can take the place of invidio.us | Aug 14 07:48 |
| schestowitz | i cannot vouch for the first, only saw few seconds of it | Aug 14 07:48 |
| schestowitz | these days Noam is donning a big beard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HahFTAkXlwA | Aug 14 07:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Noam Chomsky: Under Trump's tinpot dictatorship, corporate power rules all - YouTube | Aug 14 07:49 | |
| schestowitz | speaks slower, skin issues showing, maybe has a few more years left | Aug 14 07:49 |
| Mogzagain | and another shock lastnight was finding a letter from my housing association saying they want to do a covid survey ... this is regarding sheltered housing nb, where there's been nobody around all year and most ppl are isolated already | Aug 14 07:49 |
| Mogzagain | I'm up North btw, UK | Aug 14 07:49 |
| schestowitz | I am too | Aug 14 07:49 |
| schestowitz | not very up north | Aug 14 07:50 |
| schestowitz | Manc | Aug 14 07:50 |
| Mogzagain | Yes, your comment re ppl who're starving riot ... 100% agree | Aug 14 07:50 |
| schestowitz | but bezos and billness are happy | Aug 14 07:50 |
| schestowitz | and that's what matters | Aug 14 07:50 |
| Mogzagain | Yes, big tech just going crazy about the web now, and governments just letting them ... a new Web needed for sure | Aug 14 07:50 |
| schestowitz | " Gates: 'Black People, Indigenous People' Should Get Vaccine First" | Aug 14 07:50 |
| Mogzagain | Yes Tim B-L caught my attention briefly too, but then no more news | Aug 14 07:51 |
| schestowitz | Mogzagain: that's down for the DIGITAL rebellion | Aug 14 07:51 |
| Mogzagain | Will be sure to watch the 2nd link | Aug 14 07:51 |
| schestowitz | long in the making | Aug 14 07:51 |
| schestowitz | the Internet might soon be split | Aug 14 07:51 |
| schestowitz | the split might start with Russia | Aug 14 07:51 |
| schestowitz | China already has its firewalls | Aug 14 07:51 |
| schestowitz | very broad ones, nothing to do with security but CPP's stability | Aug 14 07:51 |
| schestowitz | so international forces will dismantle what we currently have | Aug 14 07:52 |
| Mogzagain | Yes, visited Manchester once for a gig ... owl city ... it was awesome | Aug 14 07:52 |
| schestowitz | how we rebuild it depends partly on geeks across nations | Aug 14 07:52 |
| schestowitz | GAFAM won't dominate it all for longer, some operate at a loss | Aug 14 07:52 |
| Mogzagain | Gates is the devil's a-hole itself ... I can't even write lol, as he's just so foul | Aug 14 07:52 |
| schestowitz | 20 secs ago I published http://techrights.org/2020/08/14/openwashing-for-a-fee/ | Aug 14 07:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Linux Foundation and ZDNet Openwashing Proprietary Mass Surveillance (for a Fee!) | Techrights | Aug 14 07:53 | |
| schestowitz | if you can check the English with me, that would be awesome | Aug 14 07:53 |
| schestowitz | Mogzagain: good news is, many many many more people now know who Gates it | Aug 14 07:53 |
| schestowitz | a decade ago I was talking to too few people | Aug 14 07:53 |
| schestowitz | his whole vaccine drive is backfiring | Aug 14 07:54 |
| Mogzagain | I think the worse GAFAM get, the more people are waking up, and nobody wants their privacy invaded I don't think, so there should be more and more geeks | Aug 14 07:54 |
| schestowitz | Putting himself at the forefront in media was an error of his http://techrights.org/2020/08/11/the-crazy-card/ | Aug 14 07:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | You Just Know Somebody is in a State of Retreat When the Strategy Becomes to Discredit One’s Critics (or Collectively Paint Them All as Wrong/Crazy) | Techrights | Aug 14 07:54 | |
| Mogzagain | Always good to read about GAFAM losing money | Aug 14 07:54 |
| schestowitz | not all of them | Aug 14 07:54 |
| schestowitz | but after covid, we shall see | Aug 14 07:54 |
| schestowitz | lots of pentagon dark money (1.1 trillion a year) funnelled into them | Aug 14 07:55 |
| Mogzagain | do you want me to go and ready the openwashing article now? | Aug 14 07:55 |
| schestowitz | we already know why, it's an open secret https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full-spectrum_dominance | Aug 14 07:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Full-spectrum dominance - Wikipedia | Aug 14 07:55 | |
| schestowitz | yes, please | Aug 14 07:55 |
| schestowitz | have a slow read | Aug 14 07:55 |
| Mogzagain | will just zoom hexchat down a bit | Aug 14 07:55 |
| schestowitz | I am doing a bunch of memes | Aug 14 07:55 |
| schestowitz | I will paste here | Aug 14 07:55 |
| schestowitz | "The Linux Foundation and ZDNet [1,2] tell us that Facebook is “open” (because it pays for that openwashing); the Foundation’s love of mass surveillance [4, 2, 3, 4] and spin regarding such surveillance is reaching new heights for the Foundation, clearly misusing the “Linux” brand, is rapidly becoming a leading voice for malicious surveillance companies that need openwashing to merely seem or feel “ethical”" | Aug 14 07:56 |
| Mogzagain | *read, not 'ready' | Aug 14 07:56 |
| schestowitz | I got the numbers wrong | Aug 14 07:56 |
| Mogzagain | even the first sentence ... the LF tell us FB is open ... should never be hearing a Linux organisation support FB! | Aug 14 07:57 |
| schestowitz | yes, but | Aug 14 07:57 |
| schestowitz | if you did open the page, you would see the refs | Aug 14 07:57 |
| schestowitz | FB pays them for it | Aug 14 07:57 |
| schestowitz | it also pays other orgs to do the same | Aug 14 07:57 |
| schestowitz | it's just grotesque | Aug 14 07:57 |
| schestowitz | war is peace | Aug 14 07:58 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft loves Linux | Aug 14 07:58 |
| schestowitz | FB loves privacy | Aug 14 07:58 |
| schestowitz | IBM saves lives | Aug 14 07:58 |
| schestowitz | etc etc. | Aug 14 07:58 |
| Mogzagain | yes, it's just so wrong ... these ppl are corrupt to their cores and only want to bring things down. | Aug 14 07:58 |
| schestowitz | SJVN acts like an LF operative now | Aug 14 07:59 |
| schestowitz | along with SPAMnil | Aug 14 07:59 |
| schestowitz | he also boosts OIN and LOT | Aug 14 07:59 |
| schestowitz | those are the patent cartels | Aug 14 07:59 |
| Mogzagain | the more obnoxious these places get, the more fed up ppl get, and want to make changes eg more linux users this year | Aug 14 07:59 |
| oiaohm | Really facebook does release a lot of stuff open source. | Aug 14 07:59 |
| oiaohm | Of course that does not magically make them a good company. | Aug 14 07:59 |
| schestowitz | what proportion, oiaohm? | Aug 14 07:59 |
| schestowitz | what % of their code? | Aug 14 08:00 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: stop defending liars, playing devil's advocate all the time makes you seem like the devil | Aug 14 08:00 |
| Mogzagain | there's nothing about linux where I find myself being glad that FB is involved ... heart sinks | Aug 14 08:00 |
| Mogzagain | and there's nothing I use where I think 'it's great that FB gave this/is involved' ... just get sad | Aug 14 08:01 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: https://github.com/facebookincubator I could not give you a percentage. | Aug 14 08:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Facebook Incubator · GitHub | Aug 14 08:01 | |
| Mogzagain | these companies only want benefit for themselves, as linux is free and lots of others do great work, and GAFAM come and use that | Aug 14 08:01 |
| Mogzagain | I wish I knew who okayed the lmdb that shocked me yesterday, with it's tensorflow poop hidden in caja-share, mpv, samba, smbclient | Aug 14 08:02 |
| Mogzagain | was it FB? was it the LF? ... | Aug 14 08:02 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: imagine number of engs there | Aug 14 08:03 |
| schestowitz | how much code per day | Aug 14 08:03 |
| schestowitz | so maybe less than 5% ends up public | Aug 14 08:03 |
| schestowitz | and their secret code would be worse | Aug 14 08:03 |
| schestowitz | data-mining people's 'private' messages etc. | Aug 14 08:03 |
| Mogzagain | ultimately wonder how much dodgy stuff gets okayed eg by the LF and it's GAFAM buddies | Aug 14 08:04 |
| schestowitz | follow money | Aug 14 08:04 |
| Mogzagain | guaranteed their secret code will be very bad, especially with machine learning/tracking now | Aug 14 08:04 |
| schestowitz | it's a money operation | Aug 14 08:04 |
| schestowitz | fsf still has hope | Aug 14 08:04 |
| schestowitz | sfc not | Aug 14 08:04 |
| schestowitz | it takes Microsoft bribes, years already.. | Aug 14 08:04 |
| schestowitz | and then pushes to oust RMS | Aug 14 08:04 |
| Mogzagain | the system wants rid of encryption and to read everything, yes | Aug 14 08:04 |
| schestowitz | because 'terrorism | Aug 14 08:05 |
| Mogzagain | yes, you were saying there are some awake ppl in the FSF | Aug 14 08:05 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: https://github.com/facebookincubator/WEASEL This project you do have to wonder why facebook needs it. | Aug 14 08:05 |
| schestowitz | the rich call even reactionary protests terrorism now | Aug 14 08:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - facebookincubator/WEASEL: DNS covert channel implant for Red Teams. | Aug 14 08:05 | |
| Mogzagain | how is RMS? is he doing well? | Aug 14 08:05 |
| schestowitz | and use the data to toss people in unmarked vans | Aug 14 08:05 |
| schestowitz | Mogzagain: he wanted to tell me some secrets a few times | Aug 14 08:05 |
| schestowitz | and forgot what he wanted to tell me by the time I said yes | Aug 14 08:05 |
| Mogzagain | yes, just thinking freely and being normal - terrorist ... shocking, and called that BY terrorists/supporters | Aug 14 08:05 |
| schestowitz | barr and trump call opposition to fascism "terrorism" | Aug 14 08:06 |
| schestowitz | which shows you where we are headed | Aug 14 08:06 |
| Mogzagain | yes, terrifying. this house inspection thing, they said they could just descend any time up to Sept 24th or can call to make appt. They expect you to clean every handle, open windows (I have massive spider phobia, lol) etc! despite them wearing gear | Aug 14 08:06 |
| schestowitz | societal breakdown this month will follow as millions are evicted in the US | Aug 14 08:07 |
| Mogzagain | Yes, I imagine there's a lot more RMS could share. | Aug 14 08:07 |
| schestowitz | the police already has its armed robots and drones | Aug 14 08:07 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: some of the stuff facebook release open source itself is questionable why. If the stuff a company released open source contains some questionable usage stuff and closed source stuff a company has is normally worse than what a company release open source. How bad stuff is inside facebook has to be way up there. | Aug 14 08:07 |
| schestowitz | open source misses the point | Aug 14 08:07 |
| Mogzagain | the police ... dreadful; much worse | Aug 14 08:07 |
| schestowitz | FB= proprietary | Aug 14 08:07 |
| schestowitz | github account (also proprietary) = perception management | Aug 14 08:08 |
| schestowitz | it's proprietary+marketing=openwashing | Aug 14 08:08 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: you always miss the point | Aug 14 08:08 |
| schestowitz | police bodycams in us= azure | Aug 14 08:08 |
| Mogzagain | @oiaohm everyone knows FB is dodgy, and everyone knows open source doesn't mean freedom-respecting or private | Aug 14 08:08 |
| schestowitz | maybe in uk also | Aug 14 08:08 |
| schestowitz | iirc, they use taser renamed | Aug 14 08:08 |
| schestowitz | axon | Aug 14 08:08 |
| schestowitz | but may vary, as much uk police outsourced to gates contractors like g4s | Aug 14 08:09 |
| schestowitz | so even the police is not literally and directly in the pockets of oligarchs | Aug 14 08:09 |
| schestowitz | unaccountable to the state itself... and courts | Aug 14 08:09 |
| Mogzagain | keep seeing terrible footage eg cops in USA just shoot ppl immediately | Aug 14 08:09 |
| schestowitz | why not? they see they can get away with it | Aug 14 08:09 |
| schestowitz | maybe on suspension with pay | Aug 14 08:09 |
| schestowitz | if fired, go to another state, get rehired | Aug 14 08:09 |
| schestowitz | many cops in the us are ex military | Aug 14 08:10 |
| schestowitz | they're trained to kill any resistance | Aug 14 08:10 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: https://opensource.facebook.com/projects that was not the full list of open source projects by facebook. Yes facebook support different AI engines. Of course they don't give how those ai engines are trained or used inside facebook. | Aug 14 08:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.facebook.com | Projects | Aug 14 08:10 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/clarissajanlim/cops-fired-over-racist-rants-about-black-people | Aug 14 08:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.buzzfeednews.com | Three North Carolina Police Officers Fired Over Racist Rants About Black People | Aug 14 08:10 | |
| Mogzagain | I think most of the good UK, and USA, cops have probably left, but it's good to think there's those people and their skills around if things get worse | Aug 14 08:10 |
| schestowitz | Just fired | Aug 14 08:11 |
| schestowitz | he'll find another PD to work for | Aug 14 08:11 |
| schestowitz | where he can say stuff like, "let's shoot some niggers" | Aug 14 08:11 |
| schestowitz | Mogzagain: I know one who left the Met | Aug 14 08:11 |
| schestowitz | he was reasonably ok | Aug 14 08:11 |
| Mogzagain | yes, they all typically watch each other's backs | Aug 14 08:11 |
| schestowitz | he was infiltrating EDL and worse groups | Aug 14 08:11 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: you are a PR agent | Aug 14 08:12 |
| Mogzagain | Good that your friend left the Met! | Aug 14 08:12 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: BP is a green energy company, too | Aug 14 08:12 |
| Mogzagain | yes, USA cops are IDF trained | Aug 14 08:12 |
| schestowitz | Mogzagain: they forced him to do things he disliked, like use a baton against students in those 2010 protests | Aug 14 08:12 |
| schestowitz | IDF is US army-trained, too | Aug 14 08:13 |
| Mogzagain | with the ref to AI, just to note that I can't see any of that in Parole | Aug 14 08:13 |
| Mogzagain | thank goodness | Aug 14 08:13 |
| schestowitz | If it's up against Arabs, they let themselves do anything they want | Aug 14 08:13 |
| schestowitz | not they do the violence inwards, domestically | Aug 14 08:13 |
| schestowitz | starting with 'queers', blacks etc. | Aug 14 08:13 |
| Mogzagain | chauvin worked in germany, then suddenly to USA ... they just move them round it seems | Aug 14 08:13 |
| schestowitz | Thiel | Aug 14 08:14 |
| schestowitz | (Palantir, FB Board) | Aug 14 08:14 |
| schestowitz | he also met Epstein for dinner a few years ago | Aug 14 08:14 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: not really. PR agent. Its more I would not be sure what percent of facebook code base is open source. It could be as high as 90%. Open source is technology and technology can be used for good or evil it purely comes down to who is operating it. | Aug 14 08:14 |
| schestowitz | looking to contain the bad press about the money passing hands | Aug 14 08:14 |
| Mogzagain | Good that he refused to use batons etc | Aug 14 08:14 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: nonsense | Aug 14 08:15 |
| schestowitz | it's nowhere near even 10% | Aug 14 08:15 |
| schestowitz | Mogzagain: police with less conscious people rots though | Aug 14 08:15 |
| schestowitz | until it hires from the underworld, willing to serve and protect old friends | Aug 14 08:15 |
| Mogzagain | FB bad, and I'm not just 90% about that | Aug 14 08:15 |
| schestowitz | don't worry about oiaohm, he's always like that | Aug 14 08:16 |
| schestowitz | he's also a Microsoft apologist a lot of the time | Aug 14 08:16 |
| Mogzagain | They whip ppl up into dramas and traumas, then impact that with violating privacy and rights more and more | Aug 14 08:16 |
| schestowitz | in the name of being 'reasonable' or whatnot | Aug 14 08:16 |
| schestowitz | surveillance = "We got your dirt" | Aug 14 08:16 |
| schestowitz | "behave, or we air it" | Aug 14 08:16 |
| schestowitz | works very well on politicians | Aug 14 08:16 |
| schestowitz | who may have searched google for the 'wrong' thing some time in the past 20 years... or pressed the 'wrong' link | Aug 14 08:17 |
| schestowitz | or got the 'wrong' email from someone they don't even know | Aug 14 08:17 |
| Mogzagain | yes, I remember from b4 about oiaohm being pro-GAFAM! | Aug 14 08:17 |
| schestowitz | he's the same in phoronix forums | Aug 14 08:17 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: The database tech facebook has used from day one has been open source. There is a long list like this. 10% is really way to low. Large percentage of facebook operation just would not work without open source techs. | Aug 14 08:17 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: not their db | Aug 14 08:18 |
| schestowitz | they exploit other people's wor | Aug 14 08:18 |
| schestowitz | *work | Aug 14 08:18 |
| schestowitz | that's like Microsoft taking credit for git | Aug 14 08:18 |
| schestowitz | to brag about "open" github | Aug 14 08:18 |
| Mogzagain | with all this AI/invasion/machine stuff, am so happy left social medias a couple of years ago! better to move to RSS and IRCs etc | Aug 14 08:18 |
| schestowitz | > Large percentage of facebook operation just would not work without open source techs. | Aug 14 08:18 |
| schestowitz | All US airbases would not operate without crops and food | Aug 14 08:18 |
| schestowitz | so what? | Aug 14 08:18 |
| schestowitz | yes, RSS is very good | Aug 14 08:19 |
| schestowitz | nobody to censor people, lower visibility etc. | Aug 14 08:19 |
| schestowitz | except "planets" | Aug 14 08:19 |
| schestowitz | you then rely on a medium that sanctions some voices | Aug 14 08:19 |
| Mogzagain | yes, FB's benefit from using open source ... underline FB | Aug 14 08:19 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: https://opensource.facebook.com/projects#data-infrastructure The database facebook uses is mysql with their own addons. Contents of the facebook databases is hidden but the engine running it is not. | Aug 14 08:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.facebook.com | Projects | Aug 14 08:19 | |
| schestowitz | like planet debian 'canceling' some devs who had morality | Aug 14 08:19 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: missing the point, still | Aug 14 08:20 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: you rely too much on marketing catalogues | Aug 14 08:20 |
| schestowitz | brochure-like sites | Aug 14 08:20 |
| schestowitz | use your mind | Aug 14 08:20 |
| Mogzagain | yes, RSS is so awesome! liferea is great. At the moment, needed to shift all invidio.us links across to another instance, then google blocking those, lol, but inventive linuxers are on the case | Aug 14 08:20 |
| schestowitz | use some basic logic | Aug 14 08:20 |
| schestowitz | Google censorship in youtube is insane now | Aug 14 08:21 |
| schestowitz | last week it also banned techdirt | Aug 14 08:21 |
| schestowitz | from ads | Aug 14 08:21 |
| schestowitz | demonoetised | Aug 14 08:21 |
| schestowitz | even though techdirt is very pro-Google | Aug 14 08:21 |
| schestowitz | and uses Google Analytics, AdSense etc. | Aug 14 08:21 |
| schestowitz | in youtube they now ban whole channels in the name of "health" | Aug 14 08:21 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: basic logic here. Facebook has done stuff on the cheapest way possible. So they use the most open source possible. Now the way you use that tech. Facebook using it to collect lots of personal information and data process it.... that not exactly nice. | Aug 14 08:22 |
| schestowitz | it's odd because last I checked techdirt was still in Google News | Aug 14 08:22 |
| Mogzagain | yes, any power has just gone insane-level with google now, plus twitter banning bitchute links | Aug 14 08:22 |
| schestowitz | So Google deems it good enough a news source, but bad enough for ads?! | Aug 14 08:22 |
| Mogzagain | the faster alternate platforms grow the better | Aug 14 08:22 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: so stop openwashing them | Aug 14 08:22 |
| schestowitz | they leverage some free software to do evil | Aug 14 08:22 |
| Mogzagain | I do think daily more ppl are getting fed up and looking outside the main social platforms though | Aug 14 08:23 |
| Mogzagain | yes, they're starting to eat their own | Aug 14 08:23 |
| schestowitz | I have not uploaded anything to YouTube for years... maybe 4 years | Aug 14 08:23 |
| oiaohm | Its not some free software its majority of their software they are using is most likely open source with facebook. | Aug 14 08:23 |
| oiaohm | But that does not mean they cannot be as evil as hell. | Aug 14 08:23 |
| schestowitz | right, so let's move on, oiaohm | Aug 14 08:23 |
| Mogzagain | lol, FB are certainly cheap! and use whatever free stuff they can take. | Aug 14 08:23 |
| schestowitz | amazon also | Aug 14 08:23 |
| schestowitz | just a big webhost and shop | Aug 14 08:24 |
| schestowitz | never understand why amazon even took off, they didn't innovate anything at all | Aug 14 08:24 |
| Mogzagain | But yes, them data-mining is 100% wrong ... conning ppl in with 'just chat/relax' | Aug 14 08:24 |
| schestowitz | I am very restrictive what I talk about online | Aug 14 08:24 |
| schestowitz | except in encrypted email with people I know who don't use stuff like Windows and Gmail | Aug 14 08:25 |
| schestowitz | 2 weeks ago my wife let her mobile # lapse | Aug 14 08:25 |
| schestowitz | so she no longer has anything connected to antennas | Aug 14 08:25 |
| Mogzagain | good about not YT uploads, yes | Aug 14 08:25 |
| schestowitz | she wasn't carrying that device around anyway since like 2014 | Aug 14 08:25 |
| schestowitz | I told her it could learn a lot by tracking her movement | Aug 14 08:25 |
| schestowitz | now that device is basically a tablet | Aug 14 08:26 |
| schestowitz | with android 2 point something | Aug 14 08:26 |
| Mogzagain | good about your wife dropping mobile ... I got a non-smartphone recently (only had Blackberry Passport previously, not these huge doorstop things full of apps) | Aug 14 08:26 |
| schestowitz | all phones connect to thr towers | Aug 14 08:27 |
| schestowitz | I am not sure you can disable that either | Aug 14 08:27 |
| schestowitz | on most phones/OSes | Aug 14 08:27 |
| Mogzagain | yes, lots of ppl are getting switched on about dumb phones and not carrying anything that can be tracked. It's good to see the awareness growing. | Aug 14 08:27 |
| schestowitz | some don't let you remove the batteries either, and will triangulate even when it's turned out t find out where you are and maybe record while it's turned off, the broadcast when back 'on line' | Aug 14 08:27 |
| Mogzagain | yes, minimum use of phone seems to be the only way to reduce those pings, and use other comms | Aug 14 08:28 |
| schestowitz | *out t > off to | Aug 14 08:28 |
| Mogzagain | yes, that 'recording even while off' is terrifying ... throw that thing as far as it'll go, lol! | Aug 14 08:28 |
| schestowitz | I read about that ages ago | Aug 14 08:28 |
| schestowitz | the assumption is that people turn off phones to hide something | Aug 14 08:28 |
| schestowitz | so it might start recording, then send the audio later on, covertly | Aug 14 08:28 |
| schestowitz | it can at least be used for leverage | Aug 14 08:29 |
| schestowitz | politicians rarely have ordinary phones | Aug 14 08:29 |
| schestowitz | maybe orange one (demented) still use a non-specialised one | Aug 14 08:29 |
| Mogzagain | yes, they have specially secured phones for their dirty deeds | Aug 14 08:29 |
| Mogzagain | he certainly loves twitter! | Aug 14 08:29 |
| schestowitz | but I reckon many people already have 'dirt' and leverage over him, which can explain a lot | Aug 14 08:29 |
| schestowitz | twitter loves him back | Aug 14 08:30 |
| schestowitz | helps sell ads | Aug 14 08:30 |
| Mogzagain | yep | Aug 14 08:30 |
| schestowitz | "The rise of the twittotocians" | Aug 14 08:30 |
| schestowitz | as if you cannot run for office of parl without having a twitter handle | Aug 14 08:30 |
| schestowitz | and name.com or .org is "old school" | Aug 14 08:30 |
| Mogzagain | very telling that he doesn't stand up for free speech, even in the run up to an election ... could have been a vote winner, so maybe the system's plan is that someone else becomes prez, as the amount of stuff he DOESN'T fix is huge | Aug 14 08:31 |
| schestowitz | even whitehouse now relays OFFICIAL messages through a private company that sells ads | Aug 14 08:31 |
| Mogzagain | quite a tongue twister, lol, twittotocians | Aug 14 08:31 |
| schestowitz | look how media covers politics | Aug 14 08:32 |
| oiaohm | Really its very hard to make a proper secure phone with modem intergrated into single chip with your cpu cores so you cannot power it off independantly. | Aug 14 08:32 |
| schestowitz | it's all tweets and clickbait for headlines | Aug 14 08:32 |
| schestowitz | tl;dr, zero substance | Aug 14 08:32 |
| Mogzagain | dumb bread and circuses, all this social media stuff ... see it with art circles too, the superficiality, instagram etc | Aug 14 08:32 |
| schestowitz | yeah, I rarely spend time on it | Aug 14 08:32 |
| oiaohm | Of course making cpu and modem be 1 chip makes production cost lower. | Aug 14 08:32 |
| schestowitz | I read replies I receive, but that's about it | Aug 14 08:33 |
| Mogzagain | some big art forums gone, and was reading ppl saying that many replaced by numerous fb/instagram places, and quality of posts dropped | Aug 14 08:33 |
| schestowitz | and replies likewise | Aug 14 08:33 |
| schestowitz | "lol" as comment | Aug 14 08:33 |
| schestowitz | or 'like" | Aug 14 08:33 |
| schestowitz | or "share" | Aug 14 08:33 |
| schestowitz | people reduced to coop fowl level of interaction | Aug 14 08:33 |
| schestowitz | even pavlov's dogs had more intellect than this | Aug 14 08:34 |
| Mogzagain | I read bits here and there, but no joining, and plenty of privacy things/VPN, + RSS/liferea | Aug 14 08:34 |
| schestowitz | and it's easy to game such discourage automatically, hence social control media is now manipulated by states | Aug 14 08:34 |
| oiaohm | share on most sites people dont think what that is in fact telling. | Aug 14 08:34 |
| schestowitz | let them waste time | Aug 14 08:34 |
| schestowitz | "liking" things | Aug 14 08:34 |
| schestowitz | scrolling down "Walls" | Aug 14 08:34 |
| schestowitz | I quit this shit | Aug 14 08:34 |
| Mogzagain | yes, shallow and unfocussed and not about quality or anything meaningful | Aug 14 08:35 |
| schestowitz | I don't even load a page that shows all the "likes" and stuff I get, only actual replies" | Aug 14 08:35 |
| schestowitz | and many of those replies are shallow anyway | Aug 14 08:35 |
| oiaohm | You see some so called new sites doing that never ending scroll crap. | Aug 14 08:35 |
| schestowitz | 10 years ago blogs received long comments, which took a long time to type | Aug 14 08:35 |
| Mogzagain | yes, ppl don't realise how much data is being gathered and interpreted when they're sharing stuff | Aug 14 08:35 |
| schestowitz | also distractions as side dishes, oiaohm | Aug 14 08:36 |
| schestowitz | like shown here: http://techrights.org/2020/07/24/twitter-annotated/ | Aug 14 08:36 |
| Mogzagain | yes, it's such a relief to be outside of that superficial social media bubble, and data-mining | Aug 14 08:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | How Social Control Media Works: The Case of Twitter, Visualised and Annotated | Techrights | Aug 14 08:36 | |
| schestowitz | they decide for you what the 'news' here | Aug 14 08:36 |
| schestowitz | so they shape news cycles | Aug 14 08:36 |
| schestowitz | deciding what the latest "outrage" will be | Aug 14 08:36 |
| schestowitz | as they did JK Rowling this summer, feeding a bunch of trolls | Aug 14 08:36 |
| oiaohm | something worse is how many people still email around garbage chain emails. | Aug 14 08:36 |
| schestowitz | for over a month | Aug 14 08:36 |
| Mogzagain | yes, scrolling isn't a good format ... a good solid forum or IRC or article, much better for concentration and digesting | Aug 14 08:37 |
| schestowitz | cannot mark as read/unread | Aug 14 08:37 |
| schestowitz | cannot filter by topics | Aug 14 08:37 |
| schestowitz | it's throwing the mind in too many directions | Aug 14 08:37 |
| schestowitz | so you cannot maintain a flow of consistent though | Aug 14 08:37 |
| schestowitz | it's a mind storm... not in a good way | Aug 14 08:37 |
| Mogzagain | especially google etc have psychological teams, to deliberately work on users and provoke them or draw them in etc | Aug 14 08:38 |
| Mogzagain | yes, so much news is manufactured, with an agenda behind | Aug 14 08:38 |
| schestowitz | brainstorming focuses on a single objective at a time, but we lost all that, social control media is global channel for everything | Aug 14 08:38 |
| Mogzagain | better to do other things, just giving a cursory glance to see basically what's being whipped up, generally | Aug 14 08:38 |
| schestowitz | Mogzagain: new example: [Meme] #IBM and Its Shakeups (Shaking up of the Earth) http://techrights.org/2020/08/14/grillo-meme/ #grillo #Linux_Foundation #LinuxFoundation #history | Aug 14 08:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] IBM and Its Shakeups (Shaking up of the Earth) | Techrights | Aug 14 08:38 | |
| schestowitz | IBM saves lives! | Aug 14 08:38 |
| schestowitz | the news 'skipped' the Microsoft layoffs | Aug 14 08:39 |
| schestowitz | for the most part | Aug 14 08:39 |
| Mogzagain | yes, very bad indeed to be constantly around stuff that's all about distraction/overload ... not good for the mind | Aug 14 08:39 |
| schestowitz | focused on tiktok instead | Aug 14 08:39 |
| schestowitz | I used to check twitter replies as soon as I got back home | Aug 14 08:39 |
| schestowitz | now I do that just once a day in a hurry, not much of signal in these anyway | Aug 14 08:39 |
| Mogzagain | I'm sure the mind learns better through clear and steady comms, without distractions/pressures etc | Aug 14 08:40 |
| schestowitz | I just squeeze twitter for what's left of it, it still drives some traffic | Aug 14 08:40 |
| Mogzagain | I'll take a look at the IBM article | Aug 14 08:40 |
| schestowitz | Mogzagain: or groupthink | Aug 14 08:40 |
| schestowitz | Mogzagain: it's just a meme | Aug 14 08:40 |
| schestowitz | IBM is good with PR tricks | Aug 14 08:40 |
| schestowitz | they had more than a century of 'practice' | Aug 14 08:41 |
| schestowitz | a lot of people have NO CLUE what IBM makes money from | Aug 14 08:41 |
| schestowitz | only that they employ loads of people and make money to pay salaries | Aug 14 08:41 |
| Mogzagain | I bet this quake detection stuff has far more capabilities | Aug 14 08:41 |
| Mogzagain | yes, ppl being able to see messages on twitter is good ... saw you made it read-only ... great that ppl can still get a route to info | Aug 14 08:42 |
| Mogzagain | yes, no part of me thinks IBM cares about ppl harmed by earthquakes or worse | Aug 14 08:43 |
| schestowitz | Mogzagain: write only, not read only | Aug 14 08:45 |
| Mogzagain | oops! | Aug 14 08:45 |
| schestowitz | read only would mean I rely on Twitter Inc. to tell me the news | Aug 14 08:45 |
| schestowitz | and not have anything to do to offset things | Aug 14 08:45 |
| Mogzagain | sleepy brain got that wrong, lol | Aug 14 08:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/34474798/meet-twitters-second-biggest-shareholder-saudi-prince-alwaleed-bin-talal | Aug 14 08:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Meet Twitter's second biggest shareholder, Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal - BBC Newsbeat | Aug 14 08:46 | |
| schestowitz | Twitter is for-profit | Aug 14 08:46 |
| schestowitz | with board ansd shareholder | Aug 14 08:46 |
| schestowitz | it's for-profit but NOT profitable | Aug 14 08:46 |
| schestowitz | it's about influence and power, not money | Aug 14 08:46 |
| Mogzagain | I did register originally what you were saying in the article I read. | Aug 14 08:46 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: https://www.ibm.com/au-en/financing IBM has some really fun how to make money models. | Aug 14 08:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-IT Financing – IBM Global Financing - Australia | IBM | Aug 14 08:46 | |
| Mogzagain | not sleepy then, lol | Aug 14 08:46 |
| schestowitz | they made some profit for the first time when they shut down the platform | Aug 14 08:46 |
| schestowitz | to push ads in 2018 | Aug 14 08:46 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: they have the brand | Aug 14 08:47 |
| schestowitz | they work with many govs, they already have the links | Aug 14 08:47 |
| schestowitz | but they lose some, e.g. CIA contracts to Amazon/AwS | Aug 14 08:47 |
| Mogzagain | didn't know that about twitter | Aug 14 08:47 |
| schestowitz | so the money supply is diminishing, layoffs follow, outsourcing to India etcc. | Aug 14 08:47 |
| schestowitz | IBM did lots of this "disaster" PR lately | Aug 14 08:48 |
| Mogzagain | yes, always see twitter and various big corporations work in tandem | Aug 14 08:48 |
| schestowitz | and then COVID came and they started hammering and yammering about it every week/day | Aug 14 08:48 |
| schestowitz | they play the angle of saving us | Aug 14 08:48 |
| schestowitz | their gov. projects are rather dark, lots of social control stuff in oppressive countries | Aug 14 08:48 |
| schestowitz | Twitter bans critics of Islam | Aug 14 08:49 |
| Mogzagain | those who control the mainstream media won't portray how many users are actually leaving social media; I'm sure it's far more than we know | Aug 14 08:49 |
| schestowitz | but it's pro-tolerance | Aug 14 08:49 |
| schestowitz | just like Islamists are :-) | Aug 14 08:49 |
| schestowitz | they tried to ban me because of some silly activists | Aug 14 08:49 |
| schestowitz | who in any Muslim country would be hanging off a crane or worse | Aug 14 08:49 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: IBM when they almost when under a long time ago restructed their core. Core of IBM is a properity baron renting large areas out in major cities around the world to other comanies. And lending other companies money in forms of different loans what is a good way to 1 aquire money 2 aquire tech on the cheap from those who cannot pay. | Aug 14 08:50 |
| schestowitz | the goal is to move back to RSS | Aug 14 08:50 |
| Mogzagain | yes, definitely playing the angle of 'saving us', and a strong agenda behind that, where one of the outcomes is e.g. many elderly die, and another outcome is many dying due to no medical treatment, etc. Even no dental care can put ppl at severe risk. | Aug 14 08:50 |
| schestowitz | and explain to people how it works, why it is collectively better for society | Aug 14 08:50 |
| schestowitz | the mainstream media and GAFAM push against RSS | Aug 14 08:50 |
| schestowitz | they deprecate existing RSS support | Aug 14 08:50 |
| schestowitz | for no good reason, either | Aug 14 08:50 |
| schestowitz | Even Mozilla did that | Aug 14 08:51 |
| oiaohm | Most of the other stuff of IBM could disappear appear and the core of IBM would live on no problems. | Aug 14 08:51 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, true, IBM does lots of pending | Aug 14 08:51 |
| schestowitz | lending | Aug 14 08:51 |
| schestowitz | so it's like a bank for over a decade now | Aug 14 08:51 |
| Mogzagain | I wonder if RSS is becoming a lot more popular ... seeing more using it/talking about it. | Aug 14 08:51 |
| schestowitz | well, I can only vouch for tuxmachines and techrights | Aug 14 08:51 |
| oiaohm | If IBM called themselves a bank they would have to have regulation so could do be as big of a loan shark as they are. | Aug 14 08:52 |
| schestowitz | I don't write often in my personal site, which also has many RSS feeds | Aug 14 08:52 |
| Mogzagain | yes, really important to safeguard RSS/find a way to keep it going | Aug 14 08:52 |
| schestowitz | from here it looks like RsS adoption grows, but we cover tech stuff, read by more technical people | Aug 14 08:52 |
| oiaohm | Basically IBM really is a loan shark with a properity baron at core. | Aug 14 08:52 |
| schestowitz | though RSS was NEVER widely adopted by NON-techs anyway | Aug 14 08:52 |
| schestowitz | it's just that they never boarded the RSS train to begin with | Aug 14 08:52 |
| oiaohm | IBM does a lot things to attempt to not to appear to be a loan shark/property baron. | Aug 14 08:53 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: a colleague told me this in 2012 | Aug 14 08:53 |
| Mogzagain | the RSS button was off in some menu in waterfox, but have added it to main toolbar to pick up any relevant RSS | Aug 14 08:53 |
| schestowitz | waterfox sold out | Aug 14 08:53 |
| schestowitz | it's in bed with system1 | Aug 14 08:53 |
| schestowitz | same company that made startpage a laughing stock | Aug 14 08:53 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Startpage | Aug 14 08:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Startpage - Techrights | Aug 14 08:53 | |
| schestowitz | maybe you missed it | Aug 14 08:53 |
| schestowitz | we broke the news last year | Aug 14 08:54 |
| Mogzagain | great you're seeing RSS adoption grow. That was definitely my impression, noticing different vids/articles etc where ppl are increasingly saying about RSS | Aug 14 08:54 |
| schestowitz | youtube makes it hard to find rss feeds | Aug 14 08:54 |
| schestowitz | but they still exist | Aug 14 08:54 |
| schestowitz | if you're good at URI/URL 'hacking' | Aug 14 08:54 |
| Mogzagain | once you find RSS, it's so cool being able to collate all links in one place and not even have to go online | Aug 14 08:54 |
| schestowitz | or load up bloated pages | Aug 14 08:54 |
| schestowitz | or JS | Aug 14 08:54 |
| schestowitz | or CSS, if the summary in feeds isn't just some link | Aug 14 08:55 |
| Mogzagain | yes, waterfox have; disgusting, and not sure what else to do ... brave? but that has dodgy stuff going on too | Aug 14 08:55 |
| schestowitz | no disractions like "also read" and site banners, just the signal | Aug 14 08:55 |
| schestowitz | brave has its own issues | Aug 14 08:55 |
| schestowitz | now I use Falkon and Qupzilla | Aug 14 08:55 |
| schestowitz | in Falkon they made DDG the default | Aug 14 08:55 |
| schestowitz | nobody is perfect | Aug 14 08:55 |
| schestowitz | I don't need to use that crap | Aug 14 08:55 |
| oiaohm | Some counttries have quite high RSS usage. But that is because the government uses it for things that their population needs to find out about not to be fined and the like. | Aug 14 08:56 |
| Mogzagain | I found yesterday that liferea brings in YT link, but it was horrible going onto a YT page to get that, for the first time in a couple of years | Aug 14 08:56 |
| Mogzagain | yes, avoiding JS/bloat etc is awesome too | Aug 14 08:56 |
| schestowitz | youtube became awful | Aug 14 08:56 |
| schestowitz | would not support many browsers anymore | Aug 14 08:56 |
| schestowitz | like qupzilla | Aug 14 08:57 |
| schestowitz | and need JS | Aug 14 08:57 |
| schestowitz | among other crap | Aug 14 08:57 |
| Mogzagain | I'll look at Falkon and Qupzilla ... thanks! | Aug 14 08:57 |
| schestowitz | but that's the direction www/gafam/w3c is going in | Aug 14 08:57 |
| Mogzagain | except DDG ... I'm using searx | Aug 14 08:57 |
| schestowitz | more drm coming soon to android/youtube | Aug 14 08:57 |
| schestowitz | I use searx also | Aug 14 08:57 |
| Mogzagain | Have to remove a lot of search options from wfox, and add searx, at the mo | Aug 14 08:57 |
| schestowitz | qupzilla is for older distros | Aug 14 08:57 |
| schestowitz | where the maintainer still uses the old build | Aug 14 08:57 |
| schestowitz | on two laptops i use qupzilla | Aug 14 08:58 |
| schestowitz | falkon on the buster machine | Aug 14 08:58 |
| Mogzagain | yes, worrying about how restricted access to web stuff could get | Aug 14 08:58 |
| Mogzagain | yes, searx is really good | Aug 14 08:58 |
| schestowitz | we can build fallbacks | Aug 14 08:58 |
| schestowitz | that's the easier part | Aug 14 08:58 |
| schestowitz | getting people to use them or defect to them is the hard part | Aug 14 08:59 |
| schestowitz | and we need more advocates towards it | Aug 14 08:59 |
| schestowitz | gnu/linux usage is growing worldwide | Aug 14 08:59 |
| schestowitz | not that the general media takes note | Aug 14 08:59 |
| schestowitz | busy talking about the latest trump "tweet" | Aug 14 08:59 |
| Mogzagain | I keep watching Luke Smith with his news in the terminal etc too, lol, while not being any good at code or code-looking stuff | Aug 14 08:59 |
| Mogzagain | build it and they will come, we'd hope | Aug 14 08:59 |
| Mogzagain | yes, big jump this year for linux usage | Aug 14 09:00 |
| schestowitz | This is from yesterday http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140949 | Aug 14 09:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Software in the Command Line | Tux Machines | Aug 14 09:00 | |
| schestowitz | see the video | Aug 14 09:00 |
| schestowitz | he's like me, it's a new video | Aug 14 09:00 |
| schestowitz | I read most news from my text editor, Kate | Aug 14 09:00 |
| Mogzagain | I'm sure ppl gravitate to what is privacy-respecting; nobody likes strangers bossing them or abusing their rights, ultimately | Aug 14 09:00 |
| schestowitz | I also post to social control media from kate | Aug 14 09:00 |
| schestowitz | wrote some scripts to help me do that | Aug 14 09:01 |
| schestowitz | brb | Aug 14 09:01 |
| schestowitz | I need to hand over to a colleague | Aug 14 09:01 |
| schestowitz | then I'm off work till monday night | Aug 14 09:01 |
| Mogzagain | definitely looking into more terminal/offline stuff | Aug 14 09:01 |
| Mogzagain | thanks for link | Aug 14 09:01 |
| Mogzagain | sounds great re scripts. | Aug 14 09:02 |
| Mogzagain | gotta go too. good to chat. Have a great weekend. | Aug 14 09:02 |
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| psydread | I've turned many of my relatives into gnu/linux users, not in the least because the spyware OS their machines originally came with had made those unusable | Aug 14 09:03 |
| schestowitz | re COCs | Aug 14 09:06 |
| schestowitz | Fun with J Veitch (not real quotes) | Aug 14 09:06 |
| schestowitz | cannot post these publicly due to bad language :-) | Aug 14 09:06 |
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| oiaohm | The biggest thing I noticed changing releations to Linux was the reduced calls about printer issues. | Aug 14 09:11 |
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| psydread | because having printer drivers in kernel space is a stupid idea? I agree | Aug 14 10:28 |
| oiaohm | psydread: windows printer drivers are in fact userspace. | Aug 14 10:43 |
| oiaohm | But there is still a long list of ways to screw up the implementation. | Aug 14 10:43 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: fewer people print things | Aug 14 10:45 |
| schestowitz | they take it on their "smart" shit | Aug 14 10:45 |
| schestowitz | and then present screens or beam over things (barcodes, bluetooth etc.) | Aug 14 10:46 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: windows manages to have issues from printer drivers even if you don't print anything. | Aug 14 11:02 |
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| schestowitz | https://reclaimthenet.org/bill-gates-end-to-end-encryption/ | Aug 14 16:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-reclaimthenet.org | Bill Gates advocates for stopping end-to-end encryption (to tackle "misinformation") | Aug 14 16:30 | |
| schestowitz | what is known about this site? is it legitimate? | Aug 14 16:30 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: I would not use that site as a source but the site they reference. https://www.wired.com/story/bill-gates-on-covid-most-us-tests-are-completely-garbage/ "I personally believe government should not allow those types of lies or fraud or child pornography [to be hidden with encryption like WhatsApp or Facebook Messenger]." That a section of a direct quote out a interview. | Aug 14 16:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bill Gates on Covid: Most US Tests Are ‘Completely Garbage’ | WIRED | Aug 14 16:38 | |
| MinceR | you must give up your human rights because child pornography exists. | Aug 14 16:39 |
| oiaohm | At times encryption could be critical. | Aug 14 16:41 |
| schestowitz | for one thing, for govs and banks | Aug 14 16:42 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: thanks for highlighting the issue | Aug 14 16:42 |
| schestowitz | sometimes asked me about it | Aug 14 16:42 |
| schestowitz | interesting he mentioned CP | Aug 14 16:42 |
| schestowitz | as if he's all against it | Aug 14 16:43 |
| schestowitz | Epstein comes to mind | Aug 14 16:43 |
| schestowitz | Never mind Jones | Aug 14 16:43 |
| schestowitz | he might argue he did not know about Jones | Aug 14 16:43 |
| schestowitz | But he knew what Epstein had done | Aug 14 16:43 |
| schestowitz | thought I don't want to link, he would have his BS boosted | Aug 14 16:43 |
| schestowitz | Conde Nast still worship this thug | Aug 14 16:44 |
| schestowitz | some of their sites receive money from him and Microsoft | Aug 14 16:44 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: recliamthenet most of thier write-up are fair options off what ever articles they are based off. The issue is sometimes their source material is not solid. | Aug 14 16:44 |
| oiaohm | Yes they always include a link to the source material. | Aug 14 16:44 |
| oiaohm | basically you can think of recliamthenet as in wikipedia class of quality. Not to be 100 percent dismissed out of hand but not to be 100 percent straight up trusted. | Aug 14 16:46 |
| schestowitz | My experience with that site was positive | Aug 14 16:46 |
| schestowitz | they defended some good things | Aug 14 16:46 |
| schestowitz | condemned the LF when it deserved it | Aug 14 16:46 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, also defended RMS | Aug 14 16:46 |
| schestowitz | That headline from them, is it misleading? | Aug 14 16:46 |
| oiaohm | Not really not when you look at what bill gates said he was anti encryption in message clients using end to end. | Aug 14 16:47 |
| oiaohm | As I said fair option based on what was said. | Aug 14 16:47 |
| oiaohm | Of course bill gates has some of his own money bias to have WhatsApp and Facebook Message to get extra government involvement to make them have regulator problems. | Aug 14 16:48 |
| oiaohm | Not sure if Bill Gates is truly anti end to end encryption but he want at least to make its competitions life harder. | Aug 14 16:49 |
| schestowitz | ok, anyhow | Aug 14 16:49 |
| schestowitz | I take that to mean misleading headline, somewhat... | Aug 14 16:50 |
| schestowitz | and will move on.. | Aug 14 16:50 |
| schestowitz | I am trying to think of the next topics to cover | Aug 14 16:50 |
| schestowitz | it's my weekend off work | Aug 14 16:50 |
| oiaohm | Also the anti-vaccine stuff its not companies Gates owns providing most of the tests to the USA either. | Aug 14 16:51 |
| oiaohm | Opps | Aug 14 16:51 |
| oiaohm | Anti-test stuff. | Aug 14 16:51 |
| schestowitz | I think Ariadne will have time to work on the site (she said so a week back) | Aug 14 16:51 |
| oiaohm | So both articals are picking out items that Gates has money reasons to say what he is. Gates possible conflits of interest are not mentioned in the wired interview at all. | Aug 14 16:52 |
| schestowitz | why would they/ | Aug 14 16:52 |
| schestowitz | they get rhe billness on for blind worship | Aug 14 16:52 |
| schestowitz | not for hard queries | Aug 14 16:52 |
| oiaohm | I am use to Australia reporting laws where you don't mention conflict of interests the government gets to fine as a profit making move for the government. | Aug 14 16:53 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Aug 14 16:56 |
| schestowitz | anyhooooo... | Aug 14 16:56 |
| schestowitz | I think I will skip that one as possible story | Aug 14 16:56 |
| schestowitz | lots of other things to cover anyway | Aug 14 16:57 |
| oiaohm | More correct was bill gates go after commercial end to end encryption chat clients in interview. | Aug 14 16:57 |
| oiaohm | But its normal for lots write up to use a broad as possible titles. | Aug 14 16:58 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: I would kind of agree with skip for now as possible story. I would suggest you keep the linked to the wired write up. If you end up with multi interviews from Bill Gates saying the same kinds of thing then you will have a solid story. | Aug 14 17:00 |
| schestowitz | about CP and crypto... | Aug 14 17:03 |
| schestowitz | he doesn't like critics | Aug 14 17:03 |
| schestowitz | then he paints them ALL as crazy | Aug 14 17:03 |
| oiaohm | my brain is thinking CP as copy. | Aug 14 17:03 |
| oiaohm | and I know that not right. | Aug 14 17:03 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/08/11/the-crazy-card/ | Aug 14 17:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | You Just Know Somebody is in a State of Retreat When the Strategy Becomes to Discredit One’s Critics (or Collectively Paint Them All as Wrong/Crazy) | Techrights | Aug 14 17:03 | |
| schestowitz | child porn = cp | Aug 14 17:04 |
| schestowitz | cp -R /home/rick/cp /home/billg/cp | Aug 14 17:04 |
| oiaohm | Yes child porn, revenge porn, Terriorism and fake news the 4 common anti end to end encryption stuff that turns up. | Aug 14 17:06 |
| oiaohm | The bill gates interview does 2 out of 4. | Aug 14 17:06 |
| oiaohm | There are some anti encryption interviews that manage to hit all 4. | Aug 14 17:07 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: I will look up old articles about his support of nsa | Aug 14 17:09 |
| schestowitz | https://techcrunch.com/2014/03/14/bill-gates-says-snowden-is-no-hero/ | Aug 14 17:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bill Gates Says Snowden Is No Hero – TechCrunch | Aug 14 17:10 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2014/03/17/microsoft-loves-nsa/ | Aug 14 17:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft and Bill Gates Are Still Defending What’s Criminal (Warrantless Mass Surveillance) | Techrights | Aug 14 17:13 | |
| oiaohm | Bill Gates doing this anti privacy stuff is not new. | Aug 14 17:15 |
| MinceR | 14 174303 < schestowitz> as if he's all against it | Aug 14 17:16 |
| MinceR | as usual, he's trying to pose as the savior from something he actually supports | Aug 14 17:16 |
| MinceR | like spam, before | Aug 14 17:17 |
| schestowitz | yes | Aug 14 17:23 |
| schestowitz | wait, I am doing a piece about it | Aug 14 17:24 |
| schestowitz | I take another approach | Aug 14 17:24 |
| schestowitz | want to read the draft to help out and suggest additions? | Aug 14 17:24 |
| MinceR | i should work today | Aug 14 17:35 |
| schestowitz | only fools and horses.. | Aug 14 17:37 |
| schestowitz | this will be a good article... | Aug 14 17:42 |
| schestowitz | still working on it | Aug 14 17:42 |
| MinceR | yeah, i know | Aug 14 17:43 |
| schestowitz | That phrase is hardly used anymore | Aug 14 17:45 |
| schestowitz | anyway, I did my three in a row 1-9am shifts | Aug 14 17:46 |
| schestowitz | free until monday now | Aug 14 17:46 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: wanna read? | Aug 14 18:17 |
| MinceR | yeah | Aug 14 18:20 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/08/14/control-but-no-accountability/ | Aug 14 18:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | High-Level Criminals Associate Privacy With Crime Because They Want Privacy Only for Themselves (Control But No Accountability) | Techrights | Aug 14 18:21 | |
| schestowitz | hopefully not many typos, MinceR, I am reading this also right now | Aug 14 18:21 |
| MinceR | billionnaire -> billionaire | Aug 14 18:22 |
| schestowitz | I can't see it in the page | Aug 14 18:23 |
| MinceR | nvm, that's not your text | Aug 14 18:23 |
| MinceR | it was in a screenshot | Aug 14 18:23 |
| schestowitz | ah, ok | Aug 14 18:23 |
| MinceR | but i couldn't tell it was because the background was so similar | Aug 14 18:24 |
| schestowitz | I see... | Aug 14 18:31 |
| schestowitz | i found about 5 typos | Aug 14 18:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The funny part is all the criminals who took away privacy and then got caught by their own web. | Aug 14 18:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Guess how the Ohio Speaker of the House was arrested and Mike Madigan got caught in the same scandal and might not be Speaker in Illinois much longer. | Aug 14 18:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People leave a paper trail a mile long, only instead of passing notes back and forth, I'm betting they actually openly discussed the kickbacks and bribes and such openly. | Aug 14 18:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Everyone's doing something if you look closely enough, and all this technology preserves the evidence for all time. | Aug 14 18:38 |
| MinceR | privitisation -> privatisation | Aug 14 18:38 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: depends on if I spend my weekend dealing with my shit family (: | Aug 14 18:38 |
| Ariadne | but yes probably sunday | Aug 14 18:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I kind of wish Tor would make the security slider part of the interface. | Aug 14 18:39 |
| psydread | I get to experience the wonders of the world of DRM now that I am on OpenBSD | Aug 14 18:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most of the vulnerabilities in "Tor" are actually in the Firefox browser, and most of them become useless when you turn Active Content off. | Aug 14 18:40 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: do you see typos above? | Aug 14 18:40 |
| schestowitz | [18:21] <schestowitz> http://techrights.org/2020/08/14/control-but-no-accountability/ | Aug 14 18:40 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: no probs, if we postpone further | Aug 14 18:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I haven't seen the government admit to any attacks that don't involve media codecs, Flash, or JavaScript over the years. | Aug 14 18:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They had an actual child pornographer. Not just distributor....A producer. | Aug 14 18:41 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: thanks, my spellchecker doesn't like British spelling | Aug 14 18:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They dismissed all charges rather than admit how they caught him. So that one might be in Tor itself somewhere and who knows if it was ever independently discovered and patched. | Aug 14 18:41 |
| schestowitz | so I ignore the underline on that word :-) | Aug 14 18:41 |
| schestowitz | fixed now | Aug 14 18:41 |
| MinceR | :) | Aug 14 18:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Whatever it is, they didn't think it was worth releasing to convict that guy, so he got lucky. Real lucky. | Aug 14 18:42 |
| schestowitz | 2 mins ago: v | Aug 14 18:42 |
| schestowitz | v | Aug 14 18:42 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/08/14/ok-melinda/ | Aug 14 18:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | OK, Melinda… | Techrights | Aug 14 18:42 | |
| Ariadne | right now I'm working on a strategy to use the Dutch American friendship treaty to GTFO of the US | Aug 14 18:43 |
| schestowitz | I never heard of it | Aug 14 18:44 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: i haven't found any other errors | Aug 14 18:44 |
| Ariadne | it's pretty great you can basically just buy a visa | Aug 14 18:44 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: thanks for the help | Aug 14 18:44 |
| MinceR | np | Aug 14 18:44 |
| schestowitz | same for portugal | Aug 14 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: techrights wrote some articles about it | Aug 14 18:44 |
| Ariadne | less than 10k euro all in | Aug 14 18:44 |
| schestowitz | it's called all sorts of things | Aug 14 18:44 |
| schestowitz | I can hardly think of Dutchmen wanting to move to the US right now | Aug 14 18:45 |
| schestowitz | unless they like orange man and orange viruses | Aug 14 18:45 |
| Ariadne | right now, no. but | Aug 14 18:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Sorry, reading. | Aug 14 18:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The cops are here. | Aug 14 18:45 |
| Ariadne | I would like to leave :) | Aug 14 18:45 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: i would too if I were you | Aug 14 18:45 |
| schestowitz | my other sysadmin left the us | Aug 14 18:46 |
| Ariadne | I got teargassed last night for just driving by where they were protesting | Aug 14 18:46 |
| schestowitz | moved to europe | Aug 14 18:46 |
| Ariadne | p cool | Aug 14 18:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Ariadne: You should have had a much more respectable father. | Aug 14 18:46 |
| Ariadne | huh ? | Aug 14 18:47 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: do you know each other? | Aug 14 18:48 |
| Ariadne | and like I wasn't even driving by to see the protest or anything I was just looking for the highway to get back to my hidey hole | Aug 14 18:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No, but remember when Obama killed that American teenager in a drone strike. | Aug 14 18:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then said he should have had a better dad. | Aug 14 18:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was a dark joke. ;) | Aug 14 18:48 |
| Ariadne | I'm thinking moving techrights infrastructure out of the US is a good plan too | Aug 14 18:48 |
| Ariadne | yeah Obama sucks too | Aug 14 18:49 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 14 18:49 |
| Ariadne | I'm not about this Biden/cop 2020 shit | Aug 14 18:49 |
| Ariadne | fuck that | Aug 14 18:49 |
| MinceR | seems to me one does not achieve success in politics by being a decent, honest person | Aug 14 18:49 |
| Ariadne | "but she's black" | Aug 14 18:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'll vote for Biden because he isn't Trump. it seems we may have hit rock bottom. | Aug 14 18:49 |
| MinceR | it's a playing field for sociopaths | Aug 14 18:49 |
| Ariadne | who fucking cares she had no problem locking up millions of black people in cali | Aug 14 18:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Biden is 10 points ahead for not being Trump. | Aug 14 18:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This is the worst election ever. | Aug 14 18:50 |
| Ariadne | yeah | Aug 14 18:50 |
| Ariadne | that's why I am like | Aug 14 18:50 |
| schestowitz | [18:48] <Ariadne> I'm thinking moving techrights infrastructure out of the US is a good plan too | Aug 14 18:50 |
| Ariadne | fuck this I'm out | Aug 14 18:50 |
| schestowitz | it would be more urgent if it was a very political site | Aug 14 18:50 |
| schestowitz | we actually publish EPO (Europe) leaks the most | Aug 14 18:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's never a bad idea to move your stuff outside the US. | Aug 14 18:50 |
| Ariadne | humm yeah | Aug 14 18:51 |
| Ariadne | EPO leaks is problematic | Aug 14 18:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I've been using my @vivaldi email more often because at least it's hosted in Norway. | Aug 14 18:51 |
| Ariadne | US probably best for now then | Aug 14 18:51 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: it is lawful | Aug 14 18:51 |
| MinceR | does that matter? | Aug 14 18:51 |
| schestowitz | yes | Aug 14 18:51 |
| schestowitz | because otherwise you can get legal hassle | Aug 14 18:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm certain it's not as bad as GMail, but that isn't saying a lot I know. | Aug 14 18:51 |
| MinceR | there doesn't seem to be rule of law in the EU | Aug 14 18:51 |
| schestowitz | they just tried to intimidate me to remove a post | Aug 14 18:51 |
| Ariadne | what indymedia were doing in UK was lawful but they still came and seized several machines (ahimsa incident) | Aug 14 18:51 |
| schestowitz | which I did temporarily, reinstated later (lawyers and all) | Aug 14 18:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Google is db in America and builds in automatic back doors and MUST comply with warrants or they lose their business to "antitrust investigations" that pop up all of a sudden. | Aug 14 18:52 |
| Ariadne | in the US they can't do that :) | Aug 14 18:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | From an administration that doesn't care about monopolies. How does that work? | Aug 14 18:52 |
| Ariadne | the US don't give a flying fuck about what some EPO goon has to say | Aug 14 18:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh yes they do. | Aug 14 18:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's a corrupt bargain. | Aug 14 18:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If we enforce theirs, they'll recognize ours. | Aug 14 18:53 |
| Ariadne | yes there is MLAT treaties | Aug 14 18:53 |
| Ariadne | but still bigger pain in the ass | Aug 14 18:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it's a system where everyone scratches each other's back and then goes out looking to approve the worst patents they can to have a lot of them registered to their corporations. | Aug 14 18:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | “I’m involved with climate change, GMOs, and vaccines.” -Bill Gates | Aug 14 18:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Most of his ideas would not work and are up there with that gigantic multi-decade waste of money to try to figure out how to make hurricanes fall apart with cloud seeding. | Aug 14 18:55 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | It's a giant smoke screen. Oh yeah, we'll do horrendous damage, but we'll figure out how to fix it with lasers and shit 30 years from now. Don't worry. | Aug 14 18:55 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 14 18:56 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Bill Gates is funding medical experiments that border on vivisectioning living people, and nobody cares because they're black and in some other country. He has all the moral fiber of Jack the Ripper. | Aug 14 18:57 |
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| MinceR | at least Jack the Ripper didn't try to kill off the IT industry | Aug 14 18:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The media is providing excuses for experimenting on poor black people. They claim it's necessary because we "wouldn't want to under-represent them and get a vaccine that only works well if you're white". | Aug 14 18:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Aren't these the same people who swear up and down that the racial differences between humans is literally skin deep? | Aug 14 18:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Why would a vaccine be like 80% effective on white people and 20% on blacks if that was true? | Aug 14 19:00 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | They turn unethical experiments into social justice by saying we can't under-represent people who would be marginalized if we tested the vaccine on white people. | Aug 14 19:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Either there are substantial differences between races and that's why a vaccine might not work well on one and might work very well on others, in which case we've been lied to by the PC bullshitters, -or- they're just saying that in order to justify cruel medical experiments where they don't want to risk white people dying. In which case, Gates is undeniably subscribing to eugenics and experimenting on blacks as an | Aug 14 19:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | inferior race. | Aug 14 19:02 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | “I personally believe government should not allow those types of lies or fraud or child pornography [to be hidden with encryption like WhatsApp or Facebook Messenger].” | Aug 14 19:04 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | If the government gets a warrant and then raids one person or the other, they have a copy of it. Also, the Prisoner Dilemma. | Aug 14 19:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Whoever sells the other one out first gets a better deal. | Aug 14 19:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it'll happen even though if they both keep their mouth shut, the case could fall apart. | Aug 14 19:05 |
| MinceR | there are some medical differences | Aug 14 19:05 |
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| MinceR | and so yeah, they'd need to test on white people as well | Aug 14 19:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Logically, if the police can't do much if neither suspect talks, one or both will talk. | Aug 14 19:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Either trying to save their own skin before the other one talks and gets the deal, or because they'll be broken down under interrogation and start talking. | Aug 14 19:07 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | We don't know what happened to Wong. It's possible that he flipped on Jones and they let him off with a warning or something because he cooperated. | Aug 14 19:08 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Wong probably had a better defense if the state can't prove that he asked Jones for CP. | Aug 14 19:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In Illinois, it's not illegal to unwittingly view child pornography as long as you didn't ask for it and delete it immediately. However, there is no such defense under federal law. | Aug 14 19:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So the state charges might go away, but using the defense might get you destruction of evidence and obstruction of justice in a federal court. | Aug 14 19:10 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | So being sent a file like that is a sticky bomb. | Aug 14 19:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you don't delete it right away, you face state charges for child porn. If you do delete it right away, you could end up in federal court on completely new charges for evidence tampering and obstruction.. | Aug 14 19:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's a matter of whether the US Attorney's office feels like going after you or not. | Aug 14 19:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Deleting the file and saving yourself from the state is probably safer. | Aug 14 19:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The most the feds can get on obstruction and evidence tampering is usually like 2-3 years, and maybe under supervision, and they aren't sex crimes. | Aug 14 19:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | By leaving yourself open to the state crimes, you get slimed with something that never stops. | Aug 14 19:14 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I can't imagine how a guy like Jeff Epstein even thinks. | Aug 14 19:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If he had just thrown money at 18 year olds or something, the most they ever would have had him on were some misdemeanors, which you say a few hail marys and you're done cleaning up that mess. | Aug 14 19:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | (Soliciting a prostitute, pandering, etc.) | Aug 14 19:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's how the law works. The difference between Jeff Epstein being a sicko who needs to be shot and a guy that throws a couple hundred bucks at a prostitute and nobody even cares is a matter of 12-24 months in age in most of his cases. | Aug 14 19:20 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | But the law is the law, and unless you want to find that out the hard way, you just stick to 18 year olds with a daddy fetish. | Aug 14 19:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, the sex with minors laws in most states are pretty bad. Like, if they catch you the law comes down on top of you like a piano being dropped from a 10 story building. | Aug 14 19:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's better to be charged with actually murdering someone sometimes. | Aug 14 19:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've never seen someone get a 10,756 year prison sentence for murder. | Aug 14 19:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: But they save those "We're going to make an example out of you!" cases for paupers. | Aug 14 19:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Rick Jones got a sweetheart deal that was the "We found a CP dungeon." version of Affluenza Teen. | Aug 14 19:24 |
| Ariadne | [11:57] <8e55e9DaemonFC[m]> Bill Gates is funding medical experiments that border on vivisectioning living people, and nobody cares because they're black and in some other country. He has all the moral fiber of Jack the Ripper. | Aug 14 19:24 |
| Ariadne | can you elaborate on these experiments | Aug 14 19:24 |
| Ariadne | because that's kinda getting into qanon territory | Aug 14 19:24 |
| schestowitz | [19:00] <DaemonFC[m]> They turn unethical experiments into social justice by saying we can't under-represent people who would be marginalized if we tested the vaccine on white people. | Aug 14 19:25 |
| schestowitz | bingo. | Aug 14 19:25 |
| Ariadne | ok, what experiments though | Aug 14 19:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They tested those AIDS vaccines on blacks in Africa and Asians in Thailand. | Aug 14 19:25 |
| Ariadne | and coronavirus vaccine seems unlikely anyway | Aug 14 19:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They had absolutely no idea what those would do either. | Aug 14 19:25 |
| Ariadne | oh | Aug 14 19:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They see them as trash people who are a dime a dozen. | Aug 14 19:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And this Coronavirus vaccine from the Russians is being tested in the Philippines. | Aug 14 19:26 |
| Ariadne | well you have to test vaccines somehow | Aug 14 19:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, VOLUNTEERS. | Aug 14 19:26 |
| Ariadne | as long as the participants know the risks I don't see how it is a problem | Aug 14 19:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They'd have to pay people here a substantial amount of money to have that stuff injected into them. | Aug 14 19:27 |
| Ariadne | no they wouldn't | Aug 14 19:27 |
| schestowitz | [19:24] <Ariadne> because that's kinda getting into qanon territory | Aug 14 19:27 |
| schestowitz | As they would want | Aug 14 19:27 |
| Ariadne | I know several people who are in a vaccine trial | Aug 14 19:27 |
| Ariadne | for covid | Aug 14 19:27 |
| Ariadne | and they are doing it for free | Aug 14 19:27 |
| schestowitz | "qanon" is now used to diffuse and obfuscate | Aug 14 19:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You do the AIDS vaccine study here, you could get a liability waiver signed, but typical compensation runs into like $4,000-5,000 per volunteer. | Aug 14 19:27 |
| Ariadne | I would take the aids vaccine for free | Aug 14 19:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So you can experiment on like hundreds of people in South Africa for that. | Aug 14 19:28 |
| schestowitz | they test second trimester abortions in Niger. They = Gateses | Aug 14 19:28 |
| Ariadne | beats having to take this PrEP stuff every day | Aug 14 19:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I hate PrEP. | Aug 14 19:28 |
| schestowitz | very controversial techniques. | Aug 14 19:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It makes your hair fall out. | Aug 14 19:28 |
| Ariadne | we do second trimester abortions here in the US | Aug 14 19:28 |
| schestowitz | They also test FDA-rejected drugs around there | Aug 14 19:28 |
| Ariadne | DaemonFC[m]: my hair is doing fine | Aug 14 19:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They tested PrEP on people in Africa too. | Aug 14 19:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Of course, they had an excuse for that I suppose. | Aug 14 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: not using that technique | Aug 14 19:29 |
| schestowitz | it's banned | Aug 14 19:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | HIV is so bad in parts of Africa that like 30-40% have it. | Aug 14 19:29 |
| Ariadne | as a sexually promiscuous trans person I would prefer to not acquire it | Aug 14 19:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you want to establish how long it takes someone to get HIV under those circumstances, you won't wait long to know. | Aug 14 19:30 |
| Ariadne | so I would happily participate in a vaccine trial | Aug 14 19:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The "best" you'll do in the US for high HIV rates are where there's many black and latino people. | Aug 14 19:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So, you know, like DC where it's almost 3%. | Aug 14 19:30 |
| Ariadne | yeah, they blame LGBT community for HIV in the US but it's really mainly needle sharing | Aug 14 19:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In much of the south. St. Louis, Chicago, Gary, Indiana. | Aug 14 19:31 |
| Ariadne | always has been | Aug 14 19:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, direct route into the bloodstream. | Aug 14 19:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, following around LGBT and blaming them for sex is not necessarily straightforward either. | Aug 14 19:31 |
| Ariadne | but at straight swinger parties people do same shit with needles | Aug 14 19:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even the medical community says that LGBT are addicted to drugs at over twice the rate of the general population. | Aug 14 19:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So, how much of it is the drugs? | Aug 14 19:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's heroin needles on the ground sometimes where I live. | Aug 14 19:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You have to watch out for them. | Aug 14 19:32 |
| Ariadne | it is predominantly drug use | Aug 14 19:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Someone stayed here for a night and complained they found drug needles in their bed. The "maid" tossed the sheets on top of the needles. | Aug 14 19:33 |
| schestowitz | so I heard | Aug 14 19:33 |
| schestowitz | (to Ariadne) | Aug 14 19:33 |
| schestowitz | but it's not fashionable to blame drug addicts | Aug 14 19:33 |
| Ariadne | anyway point being there are plenty of people like me in the US who would gladly do an aids vax study | Aug 14 19:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, you know, Chicago had a much much bigger problem with HIV before the needle swap programs. | Aug 14 19:33 |
| schestowitz | or poor hospital sanitation | Aug 14 19:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "but it's not fashionable to blam"> Scott County, Indiana. | Aug 14 19:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Worst HIV outbreak since the 1980s. All heroin addicts. Whites mostly. | Aug 14 19:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 2013 iirc? | Aug 14 19:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mike Pence said he'd go pray about it. | Aug 14 19:34 |
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| Ariadne | but my preferences and relationships carry higher exposure risk to aids and other sti | Aug 14 19:35 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I sent him a letter telling him to go sit on his thumb. Same success rate. | Aug 14 19:35 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Well, the facts of the matter are that we started to get a handle on HIV's R0 when everyone remembered how horrific the 1980s were. | Aug 14 19:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now this new generation wants to skip the condoms and the whole PrEP talk about "Use condoms because there's other stuff out there!" goes in one ear and out the other. | Aug 14 19:36 |
| schestowitz | [19:34] <DaemonFC[m]> Mike Pence said he'd go pray about it. | Aug 14 19:36 |
| schestowitz | Sock therapy cured HIV | Aug 14 19:37 |
| schestowitz | heh | Aug 14 19:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So we're dealing with a collapse in HIV R0, but other STIs are having the time of their litttle microbe lives. | Aug 14 19:37 |
| schestowitz | Shock | Aug 14 19:37 |
| schestowitz | but sock is a funny typo | Aug 14 19:37 |
| schestowitz | sock therapy | Aug 14 19:37 |
| schestowitz | beat up the patients with socks | Aug 14 19:37 |
| schestowitz | and off goes the virus | Aug 14 19:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Doctor's can't control what their patients do once they get home. | Aug 14 19:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they presume that everyone on PrEP will get the clap or something eventually. | Aug 14 19:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So testing for stuff you probably won't get every 3 months isn't even optional. | Aug 14 19:37 |
| Ariadne | my doctor does not require that | Aug 14 19:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They'll just stop giving you PrEP if you demand to stop being tested for everything else, and the $600-700 lab bills that go with it. | Aug 14 19:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're doing a lot of damage to people who have to dig deep to be on PrEP because of this. | Aug 14 19:38 |
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| Ariadne | but I discussed in detail my concerns and risk factors | Aug 14 19:38 |
| Ariadne | in my case, yes, I do not always use condoms, but only with stable partners | Aug 14 19:39 |
| Ariadne | my desire to use PrEP is more of a "what if the condom breaks with someone new" | Aug 14 19:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, neither Northwestern Medicine nor the Lake County Health Department will let anyone be on PrEP without having tests for a bunch of shit that they're almost certainly not going to get. | Aug 14 19:39 |
| Ariadne | if I get the clap, fine, I can deal with that. | Aug 14 19:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They assume that everyone is a Truvada Whore themselves, so how can they tell others to knock off the stigma? | Aug 14 19:40 |
| Ariadne | but HIV is forever | Aug 14 19:40 |
| *schestowitz does not know what clap and prep are | Aug 14 19:40 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: The clap is gonorrhea. | Aug 14 19:40 |
| schestowitz | ah | Aug 14 19:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's a slang term. | Aug 14 19:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | John's probably had it so much it's the applause. | Aug 14 19:40 |
| schestowitz | lol | Aug 14 19:40 |
| Ariadne | DaemonFC[m]: yeah a lot of docs assume if you're on prep you're going down to the bathhouse and taking 20 dicks in a weekend tho | Aug 14 19:41 |
| Ariadne | it's true | Aug 14 19:41 |
| Ariadne | i went to a bathhouse once out of curiosity, mostly creepy old men who are not my type | Aug 14 19:41 |
| Ariadne | hard pass tbh | Aug 14 19:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I stay out of those establishments. | Aug 14 19:41 |
| Ariadne | nothing for me there | Aug 14 19:42 |
| Ariadne | I don't have a grandpa fetish | Aug 14 19:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, it's gross old people who get all hardwired when the occasional teenager walks in because he either doesn't know what it is or wants money. | Aug 14 19:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Plus, the one in Chicago wants you to do things involving an app. | Aug 14 19:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they know, you know, you're renting a room, you're using your credit card so the bank and Facebook and Google, and the government know whatever you pay for on there. | Aug 14 19:43 |
| Ariadne | the one in Providence (30 min outside Boston) you just walk in and drop down some cash | Aug 14 19:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like, people go there wanting privacy, I'd imagine, but there's an app that leaves digital evidence of whatever you pay for in there. | Aug 14 19:44 |
| Ariadne | or at least that is how it was a decade ago | Aug 14 19:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I like Chicago, and I hate Chicago. | Aug 14 19:44 |
| Ariadne | when I was some idiotic person who wanted to know if it was as bad as they say it is | Aug 14 19:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not really surprising to me that it's like apartheid in South Africa there. | Aug 14 19:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's got all of the problems of apartheid. A lot of rich white assholes who set up this emerald city for themselves. | Aug 14 19:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then on the outer rings, complete ghetto. Non-stop. | Aug 14 19:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Things finally came to a head because of the virus and because their mayor can't really seem to handle her job and the conflict. | Aug 14 19:46 |
| Ariadne | but yes, most "gay" establishments do not cater to the type of males I find attractive | Aug 14 19:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Chicago has an entire gay neighborhood. | Aug 14 19:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like, the size of an entire city. People who have money and can get out of other parts of the Midwest move there. | Aug 14 19:47 |
| Ariadne | yeah | Aug 14 19:47 |
| Ariadne | same with denver | Aug 14 19:47 |
| Ariadne | my point is that "gay" establishments usually have grandpa on offer and advertise muscular buff men | Aug 14 19:48 |
| Ariadne | neither of which are what I'm going for really | Aug 14 19:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't really know what will become of Chicago or Illinois, because of the fiscal problems and the fact that the entire state is on life support using "lender of last resort" funding to keep basic operations going. | Aug 14 19:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'd imagine that with the good jobs having mass layoffs, like schestowitz pointed out.... | Aug 14 19:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nothing good. | Aug 14 19:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft has its midwest headquarters down in Downer's Grove. | Aug 14 19:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I haven't seen any WARN Act notices involving their Illinois office. | Aug 14 19:49 |
| Ariadne | Microsoft have two Midwest campuses | Aug 14 19:49 |
| Ariadne | the other is in Tulsa | Aug 14 19:50 |
| Ariadne | which is where their joke of a SAP competitor comes from | Aug 14 19:50 |
| Ariadne | Microsoft dynamics 365 CRM or whatever | Aug 14 19:50 |
| Ariadne | I have a client who uses that, looks like the biggest pile of shit ever | Aug 14 19:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm sure it is. | Aug 14 19:51 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Their products have always interlocked so that you can't even access them with a different web browser properly. | Aug 14 19:51 |
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| Ariadne | if I ever become president | Aug 14 19:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | IIRC, someone wrote an NTLM plug-in for Netscape Navigator a long time ago so they could use their company's LAN without IE. | Aug 14 19:52 |
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| Ariadne | I am going to make those stupid bathhouses illegal | Aug 14 19:52 |
| Ariadne | just because fuck grandpa | Aug 14 19:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Dirty Grandpa | Aug 14 19:52 |
| Ariadne | in fact | Aug 14 19:52 |
| Ariadne | I am going to make dating apps illegal except for the ones which highlight softskinned sensitive gentle cuddly people | Aug 14 19:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The totally ghetto Chicago parts overflow into Indiana too. | Aug 14 19:53 |
| Ariadne | lol | Aug 14 19:53 |
| Ariadne | Indiana side | Aug 14 19:53 |
| Ariadne | they have a rusted ass wall | Aug 14 19:53 |
| Ariadne | that covers it up | Aug 14 19:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So there's a bathhouse in Hammond. Never been there either. | Aug 14 19:53 |
| Ariadne | sounds like a great way to get aids from grandpa | Aug 14 19:54 |
| Ariadne | pass | Aug 14 19:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Indiana side is shockingly worse than the outer rings of Chicago. | Aug 14 19:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Indiana has one commuter rail that's really more of a holdover from when the midwest, including Indiana, was more important. | Aug 14 19:54 |
| Ariadne | ehhh valpo isn't that bad | Aug 14 19:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sometimes it can't get up a hill because it snowed. | Aug 14 19:54 |
| MinceR | 14 205230 < Ariadne> just because fuck grandpa | Aug 14 19:55 |
| MinceR | isn't that what he wants, though? :> | Aug 14 19:55 |
| Ariadne | grandpa wants to stick his dick where it don't belong | Aug 14 19:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <Ariadne "ehhh valpo isn't that bad"> My ex, the one that shot a guy with a shotgun while he was drunk (recently), lives between Valpo and Knox, still. | Aug 14 19:55 |
| Ariadne | Jesus you have bad relationship decisions | Aug 14 19:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He left me because his mom was some bigwig that got him a job at an auto factory that downsized pretty soon after that. | Aug 14 19:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's the story on Indiana lately. If you worked at a factory, you got screwed. Also, no more factories. | Aug 14 19:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So that's why everyone is on drugs now. | Aug 14 19:56 |
| Ariadne | but yeah, at least in Denver in the lgbtq district they have run the creepy grandpas out | Aug 14 19:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, they'll vote for Trump again even though they continued losing factories under Trump because he's making America great again. | Aug 14 19:57 |
| Ariadne | not so in Boston | Aug 14 19:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | At least Michigan and Wisconsin aren't that fucking stupid. | Aug 14 19:57 |
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| Ariadne | in Boston you see creepy grandpa's hanging out mentally undressing you, pretty creepy honestly | Aug 14 19:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <Ariadne "not so in Boston"> It happened to every factory I ever worked in. | Aug 14 19:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Next thing you know, it's going to Canada, or Mexico, or China. | Aug 14 19:58 |
| Ariadne | oh I wasn't talking about factory closures | Aug 14 19:58 |
| Ariadne | Massachusetts doesn't want factories anyway | Aug 14 19:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I can't see why you would. Advanced manufacturing is still opening up, just not anywhere like Indiana, because it doesn't need lots of people who never graduated high school, much less college. | Aug 14 19:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So California is eating them alive despite all its problems. | Aug 14 19:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can get away with a lot of sin if you have a good workforce, so California is ripping Indiana's guts out. | Aug 14 20:00 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | For the stuff that still gets made in America. | Aug 14 20:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's why blue states are even still a thing at all. They were mostly smart enough to leave all of their good universities alone. | Aug 14 20:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | On an equal playing field, the Republicans would have a point. You offer less regulations and better tax codes, and all the stuff comes to you, but the reason it doesn't work in Indiana is that nobody wants fat uneducated workers who are strung out on heroin. | Aug 14 20:02 |
| Ariadne | what I've also noticed as an lgbtq person who is adjacent to the gay community is | Aug 14 20:02 |
| Ariadne | a lot of these creepy grandpas | Aug 14 20:02 |
| Ariadne | are cheating on their wives | Aug 14 20:02 |
| Ariadne | "but it's not cheating if it's gay" | Aug 14 20:03 |
| Ariadne | whatever you say bro | Aug 14 20:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can only survive so many problems with the quality of your workforce. | Aug 14 20:03 |
| Ariadne | things still get made in America ? | Aug 14 20:04 |
| Ariadne | like what | Aug 14 20:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If the people are so fat and smoke a lot, you can't get good rates on health insurance, and they're all so strung out on drugs that they don't show up for work, you can't get anything done. | Aug 14 20:04 |
| schestowitz | [19:50] <Ariadne> Microsoft dynamics 365 CRM or whatever | Aug 14 20:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | At that point, whether California charges 1-2 points more on tax is irrelevant. | Aug 14 20:04 |
| schestowitz | I hardly hear about it anymore | Aug 14 20:04 |
| schestowitz | they explore many things, many areas | Aug 14 20:04 |
| schestowitz | few stick, just like Google | Aug 14 20:05 |
| Ariadne | dynamics is trash | Aug 14 20:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <Ariadne "like what"> There's still car parts and various things made in Indiana. | Aug 14 20:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Those Asian import companies are now hiring more people in Indiana than the Big Three. | Aug 14 20:05 |
| schestowitz | giant squid with millimeter-thick tentacles, hoping something other than Windows will stick (for longer) | Aug 14 20:05 |
| Ariadne | windows is dying anyway | Aug 14 20:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Delco is still a thing, but have no idea for how much longer. GM and Chrysler are in the crapper and the only other big OEM that was using them is Ford. | Aug 14 20:06 |
| Ariadne | oh I figured all the car parts were already made overseas by now | Aug 14 20:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The only reason I buy Delco parts is because it's either that or some crappy discount store substitute that just blows up after a year anyway and then you're doing the same job again. | Aug 14 20:06 |
| Ariadne | I just have a honda | Aug 14 20:07 |
| Ariadne | it never breaks down | Aug 14 20:07 |
| Ariadne | had a Volvo but the CVT in it finally died | Aug 14 20:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've now had most of the non-metal stuff on the Impala's engine rebuilt. | Aug 14 20:07 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | At 260,000 miles the reliability went down, but I have a mechanic that does good work and reasonable prices. | Aug 14 20:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The transmission seems like it's in good shape. The CV axle shaft seals and the pan gasket were dripping. | Aug 14 20:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I made sure the old fluid was still red before I decided whether to have them tear into that or not. :P | Aug 14 20:09 |
| schestowitz | we live near town, no longer need to buy a car | Aug 14 20:09 |
| schestowitz | (also working from home, both of us) | Aug 14 20:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, you know. Mom.... :P Some people just believe that "life time transmission fluid" bullshit. | Aug 14 20:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then they let it get brown, and then black, and then the transmission is dead already and just doesn't know it. | Aug 14 20:10 |
| Ariadne | in my case I had new fluid | Aug 14 20:10 |
| Ariadne | but the chain snapped | Aug 14 20:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh these GM transmissions from the 90s and 2000s aren't all that bad. They can just go and go if you service them properly. | Aug 14 20:10 |
| Ariadne | oh yeah the 4L60-E is a legend | Aug 14 20:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wouldn't go more than 60,000 miles without a service, myself. | Aug 14 20:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The new ones are real, real bad. | Aug 14 20:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Failure every 30,000 miles on some of them. | Aug 14 20:11 |
| Ariadne | the new ones are all cvts | Aug 14 20:11 |
| Ariadne | what happens is the chain snaps | Aug 14 20:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's not even enough time to get out of the warranty, much less blame the owner for going 200,000 miles on the fluid. | Aug 14 20:12 |
| Ariadne | anyway the only patents I think are valid anymore are design patents | Aug 14 20:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | CVT transmissions aren't new. They developed them decades ago. The reason that they were never stupid enough to use them in passenger cars and trucks is because they're extremely weak. | Aug 14 20:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The electro-hydrostatic ones are much better. I can't imagine there are many ways you could patent them though. | Aug 14 20:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I mean they were in use for a very very long time by many manufacturers. | Aug 14 20:15 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: ultimately what I want to do is move techrights to arm server | Aug 14 20:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're also simple enough for a mechanic at an independent shop to rebuild properly. | Aug 14 20:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You take these newer ones there, a lot of them don't know what they're doing or can't even get the kit to do the job because nobody makes them but the OEM. | Aug 14 20:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <Ariadne "schestowitz: ultimately what I w"> I just don't know who makes processors that aren't terrible anymore. | Aug 14 20:17 |
| Ariadne | [13:13] <8e55e9DaemonFC[m]> CVT transmissions aren't new. They developed them decades ago. The reason that they were never stupid enough to use them in passenger cars and trucks is because they're extremely weak. | Aug 14 20:17 |
| Ariadne | almost all cars now are sold with CVTs for past decade | Aug 14 20:17 |
| Ariadne | it's sad really | Aug 14 20:17 |
| Ariadne | my Honda can barely make it up the mountain | Aug 14 20:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nissan put them in and had problems like this around the late 90s I think. | Aug 14 20:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nobody has ever designed a good one. Acceptable maybe, if you have a Toyota. | Aug 14 20:18 |
| schestowitz | [20:15] <Ariadne> schestowitz: ultimately what I want to do is move techrights to arm server | Aug 14 20:18 |
| schestowitz | sounds very good, we like arm | Aug 14 20:18 |
| schestowitz | i hope nvidia does not buy it | Aug 14 20:19 |
| schestowitz | that rumour or talks cooled down | Aug 14 20:19 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | John tried to buy a 2010 Prius with 160,000 miles on it for $11,000. I told him you're nuts if you buy that. It will only bring you tears. | Aug 14 20:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's not smart. We had the salesman trying to do everything you'd imagine. | Aug 14 20:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh the battery's been rebuilt. I go, "All of the cells or just the bad ones? If you just replace the bad ones, you'll be back 2-3 years later.". | Aug 14 20:20 |
| MinceR | eCVT-s exist :> | Aug 14 20:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He can't tell me. So I said, "Well, how much is a new Toyota battery?". | Aug 14 20:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He goes "Eh, about $2,400.". | Aug 14 20:21 |
| MinceR | also, i though traditional automatics were still common | Aug 14 20:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "Well, we need to budget for a new battery. Plus the blue book even says you're asking $2,000 too much for this. $7,000 final offer." | Aug 14 20:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They said no. We walked out. It sat there for months and nobody bought it. | Aug 14 20:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They act like you're trying to steal the car from them. They gave some sap like $3,500 as a trade, and they turned down a chance to double their money. | Aug 14 20:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Screw em. | Aug 14 20:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You're not negotiating for some special one of a kind item that nobody will ever sell more of. It's a used car that someone got rid of, probably because of repair bills. | Aug 14 20:23 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | <MinceR "also, i though traditional autom"> The Prius has a lot of technology on it, including lots of sensors, motors, wiring, special battery, two engines, and a very complicated transmission. | Aug 14 20:24 |
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| MinceR | that's an eCVT | Aug 14 20:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It doesn't age well. The first owner loves it and they get rid of it when it's a boat payment every couple months. | Aug 14 20:25 |
| MinceR | and it's reputed to be highly reliable | Aug 14 20:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It is, for about 10 years and 200,000 miles. | Aug 14 20:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's reliable enough to make the first owner like it, and that's all they care about. | Aug 14 20:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: The Snap store in Ubuntu is hardly actually used by people. | Aug 14 20:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's another boondoggle that they pour time and money into. | Aug 14 20:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Other distributions have simply rejected it all at once because all the hype about it being distribution agnostic simply is not true. There are many parts, including the security model, that simply don't work at all on other distributions. Then there's only one store and nobody else could even figure out how Snaps work and edit the client software to point somewhere else, because the server side is proprietary. | Aug 14 20:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Canonical has proven a few times that working collaboratively on Free Software is something that they only do as a last resort, when their go it alone custom solutions have jumped the shark and even they have to admit that they're tossing money into a pit and don't know how to move forward with it. Like the Unity debacle. | Aug 14 20:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The move back to GNOME was something that Mark Shuttleworth announced without any enthusiasm. | Aug 14 20:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They wasted almost a decade not improving GNOME because of Unity and now they complain that it has all of these bugs that they have to fix to do the desktop experience that they want, which would have been ironed out years sooner had they not done Unity. | Aug 14 20:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Unfortunately, that seems to be the way bugs get fixed. Some company comes along and actually is trying to make a product out of it that they can support. Red Hat stopped caring about GNOME much some time ago. Most of their customers don't even use a desktop. | Aug 14 20:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Very little subscription revenue coming from RHEL as a desktop. They have a desktop, but when few customers really care how well it works, you can kind of let it go. | Aug 14 20:39 |
| MinceR | well, people in this shithole country are poor so they use cars until they fall aparty | Aug 14 20:41 |
| MinceR | s/.$// | Aug 14 20:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The decision to drop KDE came down from IBM. | Aug 14 20:41 |
| MinceR | if a car isn't worth fixing the official way, they tend to find some unofficial way | Aug 14 20:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they moved in and they immediately started gutting Red Hat and they didn't see any immediate value from KDE, so it was removed. | Aug 14 20:41 |
| MinceR | hedrat was doing shit like that even before dehomag bought them | Aug 14 20:42 |
| MinceR | KDE already signed its own death warrant by jumping on the cancerd bandwagon | Aug 14 20:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Many people here are so poor that they drive cars without doing basic repairs at all. | Aug 14 20:42 |
| MinceR | they had to know there is room for only one DE in the new "standardized" "Linux" | Aug 14 20:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then their tires unravel and they end up flipped over in a ditch. | Aug 14 20:43 |
| MinceR | yeah, that too | Aug 14 20:43 |
| MinceR | it's common to hear some car in very poor condition make very inappropriate loud noises | Aug 14 20:43 |
| MinceR | a belt slipping or an engine abused to hell and back | Aug 14 20:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, there's a lot of that here. It's called black people listening to the shit we TORTURE people with at Guantanamo Bay, willingly. | Aug 14 20:44 |
| MinceR | even public transport buses often emit massive clouds of soot | Aug 14 20:44 |
| MinceR | because public transport is environmentally friendly, don't you know | Aug 14 20:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <MinceR "even public transport buses ofte"> Oh, when Marion, Indiana was a middle class town in the 90s, before the shit hit the fan..... | Aug 14 20:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They had actual city buses. | Aug 14 20:45 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 14 20:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I used to make my aunt wait for the #4 bus because it was spewing black smoke everywhere and I thought it was funny. | Aug 14 20:45 |
| MinceR | and sometimes our buses burn down | Aug 14 20:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was a coal roller at 7. | Aug 14 20:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | B-) | Aug 14 20:45 |
| MinceR | or cook a leg of a passenger | Aug 14 20:45 |
| MinceR | i don't know if that's because "maintenance" is a four-letter word (or entirely unknown) or the chucklefucks at daimler never had the first clue about how to design vehicles | Aug 14 20:46 |
| MinceR | i suspect it's both | Aug 14 20:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The PACE buses smell like my old 386 laptop the day I went to turn it on in 2007 and it fried itself. | Aug 14 20:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Hey, it made it about 20 years. The average Macbook lasts about 2-3. | Aug 14 20:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I have to explain to teenagers what an MP3 file is. | Aug 14 20:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've found that the short version usually works. | Aug 14 20:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "It's what we did when we wanted to listen to music and didn't have Spotify, only you have the files so you can keep playing them whenever you want even if you don't pay someone.". | Aug 14 20:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So then the gears start turning. | Aug 14 20:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "So why do people pay for Spotify?" | Aug 14 20:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "Good question.". | Aug 14 20:49 |
| MinceR | because keeping your music in the "cloud" is so "hip" and "cool" | Aug 14 20:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Dear Spotify. Here's $130 for the year. Please light my hard earned money on fire and remove access from all your stuff if I don't pay you again. | Aug 14 20:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People in the Depression figured out how to make clothes out of potato bags and nobody now can remember what an MP3 is. | Aug 14 20:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well played. | Aug 14 20:50 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: According to Mayor Lightfoot, Chicago is going to "deploy technology, data analytics, and a Social Media Task Force" to keep looting down over the weekend. | Aug 14 21:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Stop snitchin'! On yourselves..... On Facebook. | Aug 14 21:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | :) | Aug 14 21:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You know, if thousands of looters descend on the loop and the police catch 0.2% of them, like they did last time, it just encourages more of it. | Aug 14 21:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You have a 99%+ chance of making off with a trunk full of name brand merchandise and a <1% chance of being arrested. | Aug 14 21:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So the cops can't really protect the city. The Democrats have whittled the police down to half of what they were 20 years ago and they're suddenly swamped with twice as much crime as normal. | Aug 14 21:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The police in Chicago have already been defunded. | Aug 14 21:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There were over 11,000 of them in 1990. | Aug 14 21:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's about 5,000 now. | Aug 14 21:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If the FOID law was repealed, more citizens could at least protect themselves. | Aug 14 21:31 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | But they voted in these idiots who said the gun laws would stop the gun crimes (and they had no effect at all). | Aug 14 21:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The only affect FOID has had on crimes is that criminals know their victims are powerless to stop them. | Aug 14 21:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | *effect | Aug 14 21:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The FOID law declares open season on people. It tells criminals, who have a trunk of guns from Wisconsin or Indiana, that their victims won't be armed. | Aug 14 21:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's been an unenforceable disaster. 58,000 guns that are in the FOID system, the state has lost track of. | Aug 14 21:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: It really says everything that the only reason Chicago solves any of these crimes at all is because of Stingrays and Facebook. | Aug 14 21:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Idiots with smartphones who document themselves breaking the law. | Aug 14 21:34 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Normal times, you wear a mask and you can be charged with Disorderly Conduct. | Aug 14 21:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | During the pandemic, you don't wear a mask and you can be charged with a Class A Misdemeanor for violating the public health code. | Aug 14 21:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | +2,296 in Illinois today. For new cases. | Aug 14 21:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Worst number since May 24th. | Aug 14 21:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, we're going backwards for sure. | Aug 14 21:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MarketWatch (Republican Party bullshit) says that since the enhanced unemployment expired, instead of seeing 1 million new unemployment applications in a week, we say 964,000, which is "proof that people were sitting on their asses" essentially. However, what it doesn't account for is that 1. After losing 40 million jobs you kind of hope to hit bottom sometime soon, and they're acting like a 3.5% reduction in one wee | Aug 14 21:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | for the figure of how much worse it's getting is a miraculous economic recovery. Also, 2. They assume that over 40 million people losing the extra $600 a week isn't going to cause any further economic damage at all, even though it certainly will. | Aug 14 21:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even if Trump's phony $400 ever shows up, it will take 4-6 weeks for states to adapt their unemployment systems, so that's 4-6 weeks where they don't have anything but the state benefits coming in, and millions of people lose THAT too. | Aug 14 21:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even at that, it's a $200 a week reduction for over 40 million people, and THAT money run out in about 30 days. | Aug 14 21:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It has only been 2 weeks since Trump and the Republicans cut town and left 46 million Americans hanging high and dry, and food banks are already started to become completely wiped out. | Aug 14 21:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: What Trump appears to do usually has little/no effect and was just for show. Today I learned that his "eviction moratorium" doesn't actually protect any American from evictions. What it does is order federal agencies to determine if an eviction ban is appropriate to slow down the virus. Meanwhile, the only protections from eviction that any Americans have is whatever their state and local governments are | Aug 14 21:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | doing for them. | Aug 14 21:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So in Illinois, Governor Pritzker is the only thing standing between landlords and the eviction courts, and Trump didn't do anything to help anyone. | Aug 14 21:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's all smoke and mirrors except the one that extends the student loan deferral to December. | Aug 14 21:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The evidence for masks is overwhelming. Illinois mask mandate went into effect on the 1st of May. We were hitting 110 Coronavirus deaths per day. | Aug 14 21:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It crashed and bottomed out at about 15 per day. | Aug 14 21:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Florida just keeps setting new death records with no end in sight. | Aug 14 21:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm considering running for office myself, personally. | Aug 14 22:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, I'd say that mask laws do fit in with Libertarian principles when we're facing a pandemic, because Libertarians do think there should be laws to protect people from actual harm caused by someone else. | Aug 14 22:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like, it's not like it would suddenly be legal to shoot someone just because you felt like it. | Aug 14 22:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But hey, you don't want to wear your seat belt? That's a risk you're taking. | Aug 14 22:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We know the facts about seat belts. We know that when cars started having to have them as standard equipment, vehicle crash deaths dropped 90%. Mind you that this was way back when maybe 3 or 4 states had laws that allowed the police to fine you if you weren't wearing one. | Aug 14 22:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Letting the police fine drivers didn't really have drastic effects because most people are smart enough to wear their seat belt already. | Aug 14 22:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This hands off approach to masks doesn't work because either most people cooperate or there's hardly any benefit at all. It's an all or nothing thing, and it affects the entire community. | Aug 14 22:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Letting the government into the housing market has never turned out well. | Aug 14 22:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Public housing was a disaster because it turned into a third world civil war inside one building where you could afford to live, but bullets would come flying through your wall and kill you after someone raped you in the elevator a few times. | Aug 14 22:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then things got completely flipped around and instead of being a Socialist project that at least meant well, CHA turned into a gentrification tool on steroids that distorted the market the other way and made Chicago unaffordable using a government agency. | Aug 14 22:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Leaving the market alone the entire time would have at least let things settle where most people could afford Chicago and without the all out warfare that socialism and gentrification sparked. | Aug 14 22:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So, I see leaving the market alone as "The government proved that no matter how they go about it, if they touch it, they'll only make it worse.". | Aug 14 22:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This gentrification disaster blew up a real estate bubble that will not survive the Coronavirus. | Aug 14 22:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You ended up building a lot of expensive apartments for white people that are going to crash in price as a response to the economic failure and desperate landlords are going to rent to the black people with the criminal history that you were trying to keep out in the first place. | Aug 14 22:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which is, at least, deliciously ironic. | Aug 14 22:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Give it ten years, twenty years, and these buildings are going to be completely torn up and Cabrini Green all over again while Chicago reverts to being a sprawling slum like it was in the 70s and 80s. | Aug 14 22:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The economy that just failed "worked" because the black and brown people had service jobs that they commuted to so they could sling coffee to all of the muckity mucks who aren't going to be there anymore. | Aug 14 22:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Without the muckity mucks, the service jobs won't exist and the city falls prey to sky high unemployment that refuses to go down. | Aug 14 22:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Trump is behaving like someone dug up Herbert Hoover and put him in charge of the Coronavirus pandemic. | Aug 14 22:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The systemic rot that was being papered over by debt has fallen apart and so spectacularly this time that we can't just take on several trillion more in debt and go on pretending it didn't happen. | Aug 14 22:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think that the looting of the loop is just kind of a sideshow really. | Aug 14 22:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't doubt that the city has all sorts of "technology resources" because they're dealing with idiots who will not only bring a cell phone that logs their location as they loot, but they'll get on Facebook Live while they're doing it. | Aug 14 22:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Individual metadata might not secure a conviction, but it can assist with one, and with those Stingrays, the police can count on there being enough cell phones to know which way the looters are moving in general. | Aug 14 22:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.khaleejtimes.com/offbeat/man-uses-potato-chip-bag-to-skip-work-for-two-years | Aug 14 22:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.khaleejtimes.com | Man uses bag of potato chips to skip work for two years - News | Khaleej Times | Aug 14 22:32 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I have such doubts about the post office that I'm considering hand delivering my ballot to the county clerk instead of mailing it back in. | Aug 14 22:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | God only knows what is going on in there and I think this messing around with the post office is going to end badly for Trump. | Aug 14 22:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What it's doing is getting Democrat furious and having them make sure that they walk the vote to the clerk or drop it in the mail ASAP. | Aug 14 22:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In the mean time, the Republicans, who need mail in ballot more, and will use them more, might end up getting their ballot delivered after the deadline. | Aug 14 22:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/chicago-mayor-announces-beefed-up-police-plan-to-track-prevent-future-looting/ar-BB17Yx47 | Aug 14 23:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.msn.com | Chicago mayor announces beefed-up police plan to track, prevent future looting | Aug 14 23:08 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: I think one of the things holding liquidation bankruptcy at bay in Illinois is that blue states seem to be more stingy with what you can protect from the trustee than red states are. | Aug 14 23:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | For example, Illinois has a $3,000 exemption for a car and a $4,000 wildcard that you can use to protect whatever you want, including some cash or money in the bank. | Aug 14 23:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But Indiana has a $10,250 wildcard and nothing in particular for a car. So if you don't own a car or it's a piece of crap and you could only get $1,000 for it, Indiana's exemptions are a lot better. | Aug 14 23:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Many people in Chicago don't even have a car, so the car exemption doesn't help them at all and they can only exempt $4,000 worth of stuff, when in Indiana they could exempt $10,250 worth of stuff. | Aug 14 23:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's also very expensive to live in Chicago. A 1 br apartment in a cheap part of the city with lots of crime will still run $800-900, while the same apartment in Indiana where there's not much crime to speak of might only run $550. | Aug 14 23:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So Illinois doesn't let you get out of Chapter 7 bankruptcy with enough remaining assets to live for very long. | Aug 14 23:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In fact, you can't even protect $4,000 in the bank or else you're going to get grilled by the trustee about "Well, don't you have a DVD player? I'm assuming you wear clothes, right?". | Aug 14 23:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So you have to claim like $100 worth of clothes and $150 for "household electronics" to make it look believable, or else it raises questions, but you're also eating into that $4,000. | Aug 14 23:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they might leave you with enough money to live on for a couple months. Emphasis on the might. | Aug 14 23:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The trustee isn't going to go steal your I'm with Stupid t-shirt that you got two years ago at Walmart for $6.99, but he's trying to make your exemption worth as little as possible so that maybe he can go after your cash. | Aug 14 23:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It seems that bankruptcy as a stimulus of sorts will happen sooner rather than later. | Aug 14 23:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | As a plan, doing nothing and letting your economy fail isn't good government, but people are finding that out. | Aug 14 23:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I read an article about a person that seemed a little less wise than me, which confirmed my theory that people were frittering their CARES Act unemployment at the banks to make them shut up a while longer. | Aug 14 23:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now the additional money is gone and instead of $2,800 a month, that lady still has a major problem with the banks, no job, is living at her mom's, and gets jusy $138 a week until the state cuts her off too. | Aug 14 23:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They needed to file some time ago. They should have saved whatever their state would let them exempt and then pull the trigger. | Aug 14 23:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | At the 11th hour, I really wouldn't be surprised if Trump tried to mess up the bankruptcy courts or rewrite the bankruptcy code with executive orders to block people from getting relief. | Aug 14 23:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The laws themselves are pretty black and white and leave many things up to the state, but the Trustee division is a part of the DoJ, which Trump controls. He could really screw things up by, oh I don't know, mass firing the Trustees? He an dismiss Trustees, and the bankruptcy can't go through until a Trustee reviews your case. | Aug 14 23:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Or mass firings followed by appointing really bad people and telling them to stop and investigate every single line on the schedules, and object to everything, and so on. | Aug 14 23:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I think we're screwed and I wouldn't be shocked if he tried something like this to save the big banks from collapse. | Aug 14 23:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm very concerned with this "Looting Task Force" in Chicago though. | Aug 14 23:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/empty-apartments-manhattan-hit-record-high-two-year-crisis-begins | Aug 14 23:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zerohedge.com | Empty Apartments in Manhattan Hit Record High As Two Year Crisis Begins | Zero Hedge | Aug 14 23:50 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | This is where Chicago is heading too. | Aug 14 23:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Landlords are trying to keep their sky high rent by offering two months free rent, but those prices are unsustainable without demand. | Aug 14 23:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're only fooling themselves if they think that throwing a little free rent is going to shock the real estate market back to life. | Aug 14 23:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "July also saw the largest fall in rental rates in nearly a decade, dropping 10%. Landlords are now offering an average of 1.7 months of free rent to try to lure tenants, according to the report, which is also a recent high." | Aug 14 23:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Prices will fall more than 10%. They spent the last 5 years in Chicago going up about 50%. | Aug 14 23:54 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | There's more air trapped in the system, and telling your tenants to not go out after 6 PM because homeless child molesters are camped in the park and there's looting might not attract tenants even at 2015 prices. | Aug 14 23:54 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/russias-top-doc-quits-over-gross-ethics-violations-duterte-says-hell-be-guinea-pig-putins | Aug 14 23:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zerohedge.com | Russia's Top Respiratory Doc Quits Over "Gross Ethics Violations" As Duterte Says He'll Be Guinea Pig For Putin's Vaccine | Zero Hedge | Aug 14 23:57 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: ZeroHedge writes about this. Have not seen it in the mainstream rags. Nothing about that black guy that walked up and shot a 5 year old white boy in the head, execution style, over having played in his yard either. | Aug 14 23:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He won't have to worry about his yard anymore, what with the first degree murder charge and what's going to happen when the jury sees a tatted up defendant with corn rows and a death stare in the court room. | Aug 14 23:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | CNN and MSNBC didn't go anywhere near that and even Fox News only barely mentioned it, apparently, on Tucker Carlson. | Aug 14 23:59 |
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