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schestowitzRahmanuHELLAug 14 00:00
DaemonFC[m]No, Rahm was actually doing a better job with the Chicago Police than this one. Aug 14 00:00
DaemonFC[m]That's why he had to go, you see.Aug 14 00:00
DaemonFC[m]Now all hell has broken loose and nobody is giving the police permission to do their job.Aug 14 00:00
schestowitzmass incarceration does not work eitherAug 14 00:00
schestowitznot even financiallyAug 14 00:01
schestowitzset aside social aspects of itAug 14 00:01
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schestowitzwhen almost 1% of your people are clothed, guarded, fedAug 14 00:01
DaemonFC[m]It's probably the best we can do.Aug 14 00:01
schestowitzto just be put on 'life supply'Aug 14 00:01
schestowitzit's a a bit of a rock and hard place thingAug 14 00:01
DaemonFC[m]The only alternative that's cheaper and guarantees they won't commit felonies again is shoot em.Aug 14 00:01
DaemonFC[m]Nobody will let that happen, so lock em up. It's all we've got.Aug 14 00:01
schestowitzalso doesn't workAug 14 00:02
schestowitzcauses resentmentAug 14 00:02
DaemonFC[m]Most countries that laugh about this wouldn't tolerate it if it was going on there.Aug 14 00:02
schestowitzdelegitimises the stateAug 14 00:02
schestowitzcauses uprising, can cause the gov. to be toppldAug 14 00:02
schestowitz*toppledAug 14 00:02
schestowitzthe issue in the US is multi-facetedAug 14 00:02
schestowitzI think inequality contributes a lot to itAug 14 00:02
schestowitzgoing back to slavery daysAug 14 00:03
schestowitzthat persisted over the centuriesAug 14 00:03
Narratorwell, people are not necessary Aug 14 00:03
schestowitzso the US has a MAAAAASIVE "underclass"Aug 14 00:03
DaemonFC[m]That's why they need to knock over Gucci and say "Oh yeah, I be finna get me somma dat!".Aug 14 00:03
schestowitzand now it pays the priceAug 14 00:03
schestowitzIt cannot just 'euthanise' the underclassAug 14 00:03
schestowitzso it comes home to roostAug 14 00:03
Narratorwe don't need people Aug 14 00:03
DaemonFC[m]"Hurry up! Cut the cable cut the cable here come da popo!"Aug 14 00:03
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: not a racial thingAug 14 00:04
schestowitzclass thingAug 14 00:04
schestowitzslaves and their ancestors worse offAug 14 00:04
DaemonFC[m]I didn't see any white people looting even though a lot of us are poor as shit too.Aug 14 00:04
schestowitzcut the racist stereotypes pleaseAug 14 00:04
DaemonFC[m]Why? The state does shit to us if we break laws.Aug 14 00:04
schestowitzhave some dignity, your husband too might be on the receiving end with Orange Nazi and MAGA cultAug 14 00:04
schestowitz:04] <DaemonFC[m]> I didn't see any white people lootingAug 14 00:05
schestowitzlook at Wall StreetAug 14 00:05
schestowitzLook at Trump's circleAug 14 00:05
schestowitzmostly white, maybe 98% of itAug 14 00:05
DaemonFC[m]If anyone can show me where, in the loop, a white person was looting and breaking windows and stuff, I'll eat my words. Aug 14 00:05
schestowitzthey loot at an order of magnitude (or three) higherAug 14 00:05
schestowitzas they did months agoAug 14 00:05
schestowitznational debt did not  go through the roof because some shops were broken intoAug 14 00:06
DaemonFC[m]In fact, I'd say what would put me in more danger if I did go loot the loop would be that in the entire crowd, I'd be the easiest thing for the police to spot.Aug 14 00:06
schestowitzone loots with a hoodieAug 14 00:06
schestowitzanother with a suitAug 14 00:06
DaemonFC[m]And if they shoot me, no uproar.Aug 14 00:06
schestowitzyou're intelligent enough to understand the end resultAug 14 00:06
schestowitzthose who fake eviction and cannot even visit a physicians are victims of "health" "care" lobbyistsAug 14 00:07
schestowitz*physicianAug 14 00:07
schestowitz*faceAug 14 00:07
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, you might get away with $10,000 worth of shit, or you might go to prison for 10 years.Aug 14 00:07
DaemonFC[m]It's not worth the risk, honestly. Aug 14 00:07
schestowitzit's not worth that moneyAug 14 00:07
schestowitzthey sell it for like 40 times production costAug 14 00:07
schestowitzsame for jewelryAug 14 00:08
Narrator 14 00:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@PartitComunista: #GeorgesFloyd non è morto in quanto nero, ma in quanto povero, e il problema negli #USA non è il colore della pelle… 14 00:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@PartitComunista: #GeorgesFloyd non è morto in quanto nero, ma in quanto povero, e il problema negli #USA non è il colore della pelle… 14 00:08
schestowitzyesterday we went to a department store where they put on sale night gowns at 100 poundsAug 14 00:08
schestowitzsame for towelsAug 14 00:08
schestowitzbathrobesAug 14 00:08
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, schestowitz Mom was talking about a homeless guy that was living in a football stadium and when she got to the part where "He stole $1,549 worth of team clothing from the gift shop." I stopped her.Aug 14 00:08
schestowitzpyjamasAug 14 00:08
schestowitzsilly branded "RL"Aug 14 00:08
schestowitzprobably made in the far eastAug 14 00:08
DaemonFC[m]I said, "They pay like $2 for that and charge $59.99 because you're there and it's a football game.".Aug 14 00:08
schestowitztrueAug 14 00:09
schestowitzthe real scandal is the marginsAug 14 00:09
DaemonFC[m]They were probably quoting list price, not cost to purchase. So he probably got $100 worth of stuff, if that.Aug 14 00:09
schestowitzand the exploitation it impliesAug 14 00:09
DaemonFC[m]If they said $1,549.Aug 14 00:09
schestowitzanyway, we at techrights focus on the high level ripoffsAug 14 00:09
schestowitzthe shop looters are "Small Timers.."Aug 14 00:09
Narratorregarding white/black "problem";-)Aug 14 00:09
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, I told her "It's like those software and movie companies that say piracy costs the economy as much as the Iraq War.".Aug 14 00:10
schestowitzThe real value of what's stolen -- and yes, it is THEFT and NOT acceptable -- is like 1,000 TIMES less than what the corporations and GOP did months afoAug 14 00:10
DaemonFC[m]"It's creative accounting, I'll give them that.".Aug 14 00:10
schestowitz*agoAug 14 00:10
schestowitzfocus on the BIG issuesAug 14 00:10
schestowitzthe media talks about riots and shops and then looting isn't associated with 2008 and 2020 bailoutsAug 14 00:10
DaemonFC[m]It must be nice to be the rip off artists in big corporations.Aug 14 00:10
DaemonFC[m]"Officer, those three t-shirts and a duffelbag and sweatpants are $1,549 worth of stuff!"Aug 14 00:11
DaemonFC[m]"Therefore, Grand Larceny! Get him!"Aug 14 00:11
*schestowitz uploaded irc logsAug 14 00:11
schestowitzirc-log-techrights-130820.htmlAug 14 00:11
schestowitz360k todayAug 14 00:11
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: back to topic, please. About JonesAug 14 00:12
schestowitzI posted about it this morningAug 14 00:12
schestowitzangle was this: 14 00:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC) Identified Some of the Children in the Pornographic ‘Stash’ of Bill Gates’ Engineer | TechrightsAug 14 00:12
schestowitzI think we can squeeze out more stories out of itAug 14 00:13
schestowitzI will not publish those PDFs because of the hashes in themAug 14 00:13
schestowitzbut I can privately share with you for analysisAug 14 00:13
schestowitzWe have a lot of his HDD contentsAug 14 00:13
schestowitzby filenameAug 14 00:13
schestowitzand may be able to study, based on those 40,000 (almost) filenames what he was up toAug 14 00:14
schestowitzbut it's no small taskAug 14 00:14
DaemonFC[m]It sounded to me from what I know that he was collecting entire "series".Aug 14 00:15
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DaemonFC[m]It's apparently pretty common for people who do abuse videos to do many of them between a certain age until the child gets too old to be of interest to a pervert. Aug 14 00:15
DaemonFC[m]Some of the people who have been in the videos have talked about it in interviews later on. Aug 14 00:16
DaemonFC[m]What Epstein did where he'd have sex with a minor and then immediately toss them like $200 is fairly typical apparently.Aug 14 00:16
DaemonFC[m]To a kid that's a bunch of money, meanwhile this guy has an island.Aug 14 00:17
DaemonFC[m]If he had been smarter he probably would have worked out some kind of an arrangement where he just keeps paying them as long as they don't say anything.Aug 14 00:18
DaemonFC[m]Throwing $200 at someone is not enough to get them to keep quiet about it forever. Aug 14 00:18
schestowitzseems like tumblr was a source of some of the CPAug 14 00:19
schestowitze.g. "Aug 14 00:19
schestowitzS:\Ian\14-22121 Jones\Deduplicated EvidenceAug 14 00:19
schestowitzFiles\5\uncut italian boy strips, wanks and cums -Aug 14 00:19
schestowitzclip0040 - 14 00:19
schestowitz"Aug 14 00:19
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Yes, some ended up on Tumblr.Aug 14 00:19
schestowitzAlso, I notice many filenames with names in them of east European or Russian CPAug 14 00:19
DaemonFC[m]It was quite often that accounts just wouldn't be there anymore.Aug 14 00:19
schestowitzLike I said, you could further analyse theseAug 14 00:19
schestowitzat a later stage we can cross-correlate with somethingAug 14 00:19
DaemonFC[m]There are Tumblr archives from years back. Nothing ever really disappears once it's on the internet. Aug 14 00:20
schestowitzremember that Gates' science right-hand who Epstein entrusted to his will is CroatianAug 14 00:20
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: There's reddits that get questionable uploads.Aug 14 00:20
DaemonFC[m]It's like, they say nobody under 18 but how do you even enforce that when you don't make them prove it with an ID or something?Aug 14 00:20
DaemonFC[m]I don't think "Apple threatened us." is the real story behind Tumblr.Aug 14 00:21
DaemonFC[m]I think they got tired with all the teenagers uploading pictures and then who knows how much of it is legal or not?Aug 14 00:21
DaemonFC[m]The prosecutors don't even know.Aug 14 00:21
DaemonFC[m]Which is why they just hurry up and charge what they can prove.Aug 14 00:22
DaemonFC[m]You can't tell me that every "18 year old" that uploads to reddit is actually 18.Aug 14 00:22
DaemonFC[m]I wouldn't be surprised if there's a Reddit porn ban at some point. I don't even know how it lasted this long.Aug 14 00:22
schestowitzThere are hundreds of video files flagged by NCMEC as CPAug 14 00:22
schestowitzfrom various sourcesAug 14 00:23
schestowitzwe don't know when he was hired by GatesAug 14 00:23
schestowitzwe do know, based on his own words, that:"Aug 14 00:23
schestowitz1) he has been a pedo since teen yearsAug 14 00:23
schestowitz2) he collected for at least a decadeAug 14 00:23
DaemonFC[m]Bill Gates is never going to tell and nobody who interviews him will ask.Aug 14 00:23
DaemonFC[m]So good luck with that.Aug 14 00:23
schestowitzso, assuming vetting process does exist for the Gates mansion, did they know?Aug 14 00:23
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: does not matter what Bill saysAug 14 00:24
schestowitzhe got caughy lying alreadyAug 14 00:24
DaemonFC[m]They would probably know if he had prior offenses/arrests that he didn't expunge. Aug 14 00:24
schestowitze.g. NYTimes catching him in a lie about Epstein tiesAug 14 00:24
schestowitzwhat we publish speaks for itselfAug 14 00:24
DaemonFC[m]In some states, certain felonies can be expunged but are still viewable.Aug 14 00:24
schestowitzand is backed by evidence, unlike a lot of speculative stuff on the WWAug 14 00:24
schestowitzWWWAug 14 00:24
DaemonFC[m]However, in Indiana expunging a felony that remains viewable makes it contempt of the law to take a negative hiring action against someone for it.Aug 14 00:25
schestowitzI am surprised you cannot find any info about it other than articles about the trialAug 14 00:25
schestowitzwe have even his middle nameAug 14 00:25
schestowitzlet me have a go in google.comAug 14 00:25
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: In practical effect, most hiring background checks won't list expunged viewable felonies because they don't want to open themselves up to a MAJOR punishment.Aug 14 00:26
DaemonFC[m]So the employer may still not know.Aug 14 00:26
schestowitzah, "rich allen jones epstein" comes up with techrights at the top of results Aug 14 00:26
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Are you Google bombing yourself with this?Aug 14 00:26
schestowitzBTW, pro tipAug 14 00:26
schestowitzif you want to find something relevant fastAug 14 00:27
schestowitzgo to google imagesAug 14 00:27
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "I am surprised you cannot find a"> Well, I'm not surprised.Aug 14 00:27
DaemonFC[m]Try searching for me and you probably won't find anything.Aug 14 00:27
schestowitzit's easier for a human to assess things faster from images, then follow, then to digest loads of textAug 14 00:27
DaemonFC[m]I sent take down orders to all of those people finder sites.Aug 14 00:27
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: the searches are pretty innocentAug 14 00:27
schestowitzpredictable, tooAug 14 00:27
DaemonFC[m]It's surprisingly easy to disappear from most of them.Aug 14 00:27
schestowitzI really cannot find any photo, even a police mugshot, of this personAug 14 00:28
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I couldn't find him on the Sex Offender Registry in any place that he was listed as having lived.Aug 14 00:28
schestowitznikolic yesAug 14 00:29
schestowitznot JonesAug 14 00:29
DaemonFC[m]I also searched through the non-compliant offenders, and he wasn't there.Aug 14 00:29
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: another person could not find him eitherAug 14 00:29
schestowitzthe judge ruled he should be on thoseAug 14 00:29
DaemonFC[m]The non-coms are even creepier looking than the regular ones though. God damn.Aug 14 00:29
schestowitzSome pedesta stuff is coming upAug 14 00:30
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Did you search the Appeals Court records?Aug 14 00:30
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: 14 00:30
DaemonFC[m]It's possible that he made a motion for sentence modification after his probation was over.Aug 14 00:30
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: no, did not pursue thatAug 14 00:30
schestowitzthe video segment 14 00:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Shocking news! Bill Gates pedophillic connections (more than just Jeffrey Epstein) - YouTubeAug 14 00:31
schestowitzmaybe we need to mirror this video in case it vanishes one dayAug 14 00:31
schestowitzmaybe we did alreadyAug 14 00:32
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Well, you can motion the court for anything you want.Aug 14 00:34
DaemonFC[m]They usually deny it, but what else are you doing in jail?Aug 14 00:34
schestowitzI think I linked to this video beoreAug 14 00:36
schestowitzbut not sure if I also backed up and uploaded itAug 14 00:37
schestowitzso odd, I cannot remember, but it seems notAug 14 00:37
schestowitzworst case, I upload it twiceAug 14 00:37
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: maybe you canAug 14 00:37
schestowitzI know how toAug 14 00:37
schestowitzbut not USian, so...Aug 14 00:37
schestowitzlet's find where else I mentioned itAug 14 00:39
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: maybe I embedded it from youtube or somethingAug 14 00:40
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: does the English here make sense? 14 00:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Backup: KIRO Report About Arrest of Rick Allen Jones | TechrightsAug 14 00:40
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: if you can find out more info, it will helpAug 14 00:42
schestowitzremember these reports predates all the epstein shitstormAug 14 00:42
schestowitz(with gates found connected at least partly to the shitstorm)Aug 14 00:42
schestowitzI wonder... if there a good redaction tool that can omit in a a large file a particular range?Aug 14 00:45
schestowitzlike, hiding the hashes?Aug 14 00:45
schestowitzI cannot do this manually for thousands of pagesAug 14 00:45
schestowitzI could write some scripts with imagemagickAug 14 00:48
schestowitzbut it's a big task and then I'm left with many images, not a PDFAug 14 00:48
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: can you find out if Pamela Jones is his momAug 14 00:53
schestowitzsister's name KerriAug 14 00:53
schestowitzhe used her as an excuse to get off with no punishmentAug 14 00:53
schestowitzclaiming she was ill and stuffAug 14 00:53
schestowitz 14 00:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | NO TITLEAug 14 00:54
schestowitz[00:33] <schestowitz> Family & relativesAug 14 00:54
schestowitz[00:33] <schestowitz>     Pamela E JonesAug 14 00:54
schestowitz[00:33] <schestowitz>     Age 70sAug 14 00:54
DaemonFC[m]18034 N 20th PkwyAug 14 01:00
DaemonFC[m]Phoenix AZ 85023-1335Aug 14 01:00
schestowitzI searched "Richard"Aug 14 01:01
schestowitzKerriAug 14 01:01
schestowitzAlso his momAug 14 01:01
schestowitzsaw some obituariesAug 14 01:01
schestowitz but cannot confirm who that isAug 14 01:01
schestowitzI give upAug 14 01:05
schestowitzI see some dodgy sitesAug 14 01:06
schestowitzand no pictures, no text that adds anything newAug 14 01:06
schestowitzseems like we're almost alone in advancingAug 14 01:06
schestowitzbut we cannot even find or nail down his name in the databases he's supposed to be inAug 14 01:06
schestowitzmaybe 5 years ago we still couldAug 14 01:06
schestowitzmaybe over time some things got expungedAug 14 01:07
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: see 14 01:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Mansion of Pedophilia – Part VII: Guilty Verdict in Case of Pedophilia (Staff at the Mansion of Bill Gates), But Where Was the Mainstream Media? | TechrightsAug 14 01:07
schestowitz2018 updateAug 14 01:07
schestowitz"order on review hearing"Aug 14 01:07
schestowitzwhat is that?Aug 14 01:08
schestowitzlike annual check?Aug 14 01:08
schestowitz2016 notice of supervision closureAug 14 01:08
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: lots more in that pageAug 14 01:09
schestowitzPamela E Jones was in WA, then AZ, then WA againAug 14 01:11
DaemonFC[m]The supervision closure would mean that he successfully completed probation without getting caught doing anything else.Aug 14 01:11
schestowitzshe'd have to be near the son to receive helpAug 14 01:11
schestowitzcan you chase those court docs?Aug 14 01:11
schestowitzIf they request them, which costs pennies per page (cents), we can cover the costsAug 14 01:11
schestowitzmaybe that can help lead to somethingAug 14 01:12
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: There might be more going on here.Aug 14 01:16
MinceR 14 01:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-"Voting Rights...Arent our game." - Album on ImgurAug 14 01:18
DaemonFC[m]There was a no contact order, an order for him to get HIV testing, Aug 14 01:19
DaemonFC[m]and a restitution orderAug 14 01:19
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Minimum is $25 to purchase 100 pages of downloads.Aug 14 01:20
DaemonFC[m]I wonder why they required him to get an HIV test.Aug 14 01:21
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: "we all know how plea bargain works"Aug 14 01:22
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, the state just looks at the strength of the case usually and decides what to offer to avoid having to go to court.Aug 14 01:22
DaemonFC[m]Guilty and Innocent alike take plea bargains because they're figured out based on the probability of the state winning at trial. Aug 14 01:23
schestowitzdo you want to order the pages? I'd pay you the 25 dollarsAug 14 01:23
DaemonFC[m]Let's hold off on that. They seem to be having some database errors at the moment.Aug 14 01:24
schestowitzafaik, nobody published or analysed theseAug 14 01:24
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DaemonFC[m]It says contact the system administrator.Aug 14 01:24
schestowitzok, cheers for checking anywayAug 14 01:24
DaemonFC[m]"The ECR Online application has encountered an unexpected problem.  Please contact the System Administrator."Aug 14 01:24
DaemonFC[m]Maybe they're using Microsoft software. LOLAug 14 01:25
DaemonFC[m]I want to see who the no contact order protected. Aug 14 01:25
DaemonFC[m]You don't suppose that David Wong was the person who got the no contact and told the state "Eww, gross, and can you make sure he didn't give me HIV while you're dealing with him!"?Aug 14 01:26
DaemonFC[m]You know, maybe he didn't ask for Jones to email him that stuff.Aug 14 01:26
DaemonFC[m]The detective never says.Aug 14 01:26
DaemonFC[m]People will do a lot of stuff to cover their own ass. Maybe he did want the files and then when Jones got caught he threw him under the bus.Aug 14 01:28
DaemonFC[m]Could be a lot of stuff in those court minutes.Aug 14 01:28
schestowitztrueAug 14 01:33
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*DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < >Aug 14 01:44
DaemonFC[m]So he didn't even go to county.Aug 14 01:44
schestowitzCase # 14-1-06789-1:Aug 14 01:45
schestowitz- Charged with Possession of Depictions of a Minor Engaged in Sexually Explicit Conduct in the First DegreeAug 14 01:45
schestowitz- Defendant was unknown to the victims, victims were minorsAug 14 01:45
schestowitz- National Center for Missing & Exploited ChildrenAug 14 01:45
schestowitz- Pled guilty to Possession of Depictions of a Minor Engaged in Sexual Explicit Conduct in the Second Degree and Failure to Report Depictions of Minors Engaged in Sexual Explicit ConductAug 14 01:45
schestowitz- Sentenced to 12 months of community custody, 364 days suspended, 90 days on electronic home detention, and 24 months of unsupervised probationAug 14 01:45
schestowitz- Required to register as a sex offenderAug 14 01:45
schestowitz- This case took almost 6 months to reach a resolutionAug 14 01:45
schestowitzis there a URL for that text?Aug 14 01:45
schestowitzIt seems to agree with things we read and wroreAug 14 01:45
schestowitz*writeAug 14 01:45
schestowitzif any such case was treated similarly, pedophiles would just laugh off the consequences of getting caughtAug 14 01:46
schestowitzangle surveillance for a few  months...Aug 14 01:46
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schestowitzThere is an actor called Richard Allan JonesAug 14 01:46
schestowitz 14 01:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Richard Allan Jones - IMDbAug 14 01:47
schestowitzvery hard to locate any further detailsAug 14 01:47
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: ask for the docs if the site works againAug 14 01:47
schestowitzI'll sent you the cost of itAug 14 01:47
DaemonFC[m]Right now it's not even letting me access the case itself.Aug 14 01:48
DaemonFC[m]I'll check later.Aug 14 01:48
schestowitz"rick Allen Jones" kerri pamela seattle\Aug 14 01:49
DaemonFC[m]The Bill Gates Exposed series has something on Rick Jones.Aug 14 01:49
schestowitzI do some more searchesAug 14 01:49
DaemonFC[m]But the file host got rid of the PDFs.Aug 14 01:49
schestowitznothing new there, except old techrights postsAug 14 01:49
DaemonFC[m]Some UFO conspiracy website, but meh.Aug 14 01:49
schestowitzI would be careful with that seriesAug 14 01:50
schestowitzesp. the vaccine partsAug 14 01:50
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DaemonFC[m] 14 01:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Gates: 'Black People, Indigenous People' Should Get Vaccine FirstAug 14 01:52
DaemonFC[m]Is there any truth to this?Aug 14 01:53
DaemonFC[m]By the time there is a vaccine, black people will be immune anyway from getting it.Aug 14 01:53
DaemonFC[m]The disease that is.Aug 14 01:53
DaemonFC[m]The infection rate in majority black/latino cities and areas in Illinois is 400% higher than it is in white-majority areas.Aug 14 01:53
DaemonFC[m]They're spreading it around so fast that it'll mostly be burned out in those areas by the time there's a vaccine, and then they won't get the vaccine.Aug 14 01:54
DaemonFC[m]I don't blame them for that part. It's basically a group memory what the US government did with syphilis. Aug 14 01:54
DaemonFC[m]They don't trust the government, doctors, or Bill Gates, and it's not like there's no evidence to back up the fact that the government hasn't done some fucked up things.Aug 14 01:55
DaemonFC[m]Intentionally giving them syphilis (or not treating it) just to see what it would do to them?Aug 14 01:55
DaemonFC[m]That's barbaric. Aug 14 01:55
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: This stuff has been going on a long, long time before Bill Gates.Aug 14 01:56
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Well, a long time ago, the government exempted drug companies from vaccine lawsuits, and set up an injury compensation program.Aug 14 02:00
DaemonFC[m]So it's not like the companies gates is invested in would be paying for harm caused by vaccines in the US as long as they're FDA approved.Aug 14 02:00
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: It seems like a good investment from that angle. If your product goes horribly, horribly wrong and the FDA rammed it through because of a pandemic, and the law already exempts you from the vaccine hurting people....Aug 14 02:01
DaemonFC[m]What is there to lose?Aug 14 02:01
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DaemonFC[m]This lockdown is getting dumber by the minute. Aug 14 02:14
DaemonFC[m]I'm certain that more than 7,000 people in Illinois have already killed themselves because of the lockdown.Aug 14 02:14
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oarion7DaemonFC[m]: I am finally laughing about it all again now that Russia has a vaccine. I don't idealize any government but Russia compared to FDA!Aug 14 02:39
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Fake ID Seizures, Mostly From China, On the Rise | Zero HedgeAug 14 02:47
DaemonFC[m]Can you blame them? Thanks to these insane lockdowns, the only thing left to do is drink until you pass out.Aug 14 02:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | DoJ Finds Yale Admissions Illegally Discriminated Against Whites, Asians | Zero HedgeAug 14 03:26
DaemonFC[m]Money, racial quotas, actual test scores.Aug 14 03:30
DaemonFC[m]In that order. That's how college works.Aug 14 03:30
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | "A Vaccine Or Nothing" - Philippines Plans Russian Vaccine Trials To Begin In October | Zero HedgeAug 14 03:59
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Duterte plans to use Filipino Guinea Pigs for Putin's vaccine.Aug 14 04:00
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DaemonFC[m]"BlueConic's customer data platform liberates your first-party data so you can orchestrate individualized experiences in every customer lifecycle stage."Aug 14 05:29
DaemonFC[m]LOLAug 14 05:29
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schestowitz[01:52] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- | Gates: 'Black People, Indigenous People' Should Get Vaccine FirstAug 14 05:45
schestowitzvaccine experts melinda frenchAug 14 05:45
schestowitzspeaking of blacks like cockroaches Aug 14 05:46
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I used to tell John that the rents in The Loop were unsustainable.Aug 14 05:51
DaemonFC[m]I said it was like Panem from the Hunger Games while the rest of the city were the Districts.Aug 14 05:51
DaemonFC[m]The city total has an enormous economy, but it's all centered on downtown and a few other areas.Aug 14 05:51
DaemonFC[m]Most of it looks like Gary, Indiana or worse.Aug 14 05:52
DaemonFC[m]Some of it was never rebuilt after the race riots in 1968.Aug 14 05:52
DaemonFC[m]The "developers" kept trying to push further and further into black communities, snapping up their homes and the cheap apartments and using "gang raids" by the police to eventually force the criminals out of the area before the final takeover.Aug 14 05:53
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DaemonFC[m]So now that the white flight is happening again, those huge rents and gentrification projects are gonna go bye bye.Aug 14 05:53
DaemonFC[m]Chicago is devolving back to where it was in the early 90s violent crime wave and it only took months.Aug 14 05:53
DaemonFC[m]It will get worse. Aug 14 05:54
DaemonFC[m]These people that want government housing forget (quickly) what it was like last time.Aug 14 05:54
DaemonFC[m]Cabrini Green. You know, you had a lot of decent people living there, and then they'd have bullets flying through the walls and hitting them. Gangs controlled most of it. They had snipers on the roof. The city had no control over the building. Aug 14 05:55
DaemonFC[m]The mayor moved in to prove that it wasn't that bad, and moved right back out in a couple of weeks (even though she had CPD protecting her the whole time she was there). After she was gone, the snipers and drug dealers used the emergency escape route that was put in for the mayor to make their way through the building. Aug 14 05:56
DaemonFC[m]Women were being raped in the elevators. The gangs took control of the elevator power to force people to take the stairs and they'd attack people there too.Aug 14 05:57
DaemonFC[m]It was a complete nightmare.Aug 14 05:57
DaemonFC[m]When the city shut it down and tore the buildings down, the crime just spread out and that's how the south and west sides of the city got as bad as they are now. Aug 14 05:58
DaemonFC[m]There still is a Chicago Housing Authority, but it's not for poor people. It's for rich hipsters. They have like $1,400 micro apartments and a Target store. Aug 14 05:58
DaemonFC[m]Nobody wanted it in Rogers Park, there it was anyway.Aug 14 05:58
DaemonFC[m]The government just keeps making bigger and bigger messes by trying to plan all of this stuff, whether it's socialism or crony capitalism. It's bad.Aug 14 05:59
DaemonFC[m]Who controls the government is an aside from the fact that it horribly distorts markets and has singlehandedly done more to create crime, poverty, and misery than anything else in Chicago.Aug 14 06:00
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DaemonFC[m]This rent control board is their worst idea yet. It creates 9 boards for the state of Illinois and it will assess renters an annual "fee" to pay for 11 board members in each region with 6 figure salaries and pensions to "keep the rent affordable".Aug 14 06:01
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: When you say "government scheme" I always laugh.Aug 14 06:02
DaemonFC[m]That's how you get a disaster. Put people who know nothing about nothing in charge of things and suck tax money out of people (theft) to cover all of the stupid ideas.Aug 14 06:03
DaemonFC[m]The report showing that the UK GDP slid, what was it? 27% in the last quarter? Aug 14 06:03
DaemonFC[m]They decide the best use of limited taxpayer funds is pay people to pack the restaurants during a pandemic.Aug 14 06:03
DaemonFC[m]Like you said, exponential growth. Someone explain to our overlords how that works.Aug 14 06:04
DaemonFC[m]I suppose the rent scheme that makes the most sense is just take what rents are now and cap them to the overall inflation figure for this area of the country. Hell, maybe add half a point to be a good sport. The rents were going up on us about 15-30% per year.Aug 14 06:06
DaemonFC[m]Unsustainable at any rate.Aug 14 06:07
DaemonFC[m]Of course an inflation cap with tax credits for building improvements would never work because it's just too smart. There aren't dozens and dozens of new Czars with huge paychecks.Aug 14 06:07
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schestowitz[06:03] <DaemonFC[m]> The report showing that the UK GDP slid, what was it? 27% in the last quarter? Aug 14 06:35
schestowitzURL?Aug 14 06:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | United States Government Debt | 1942-2020 Data | 2021-2022 Forecast | HistoricalAug 14 06:36
schestowitzI know about this: 14 06:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A 33 Percent Drop in U.S. GDP and the Ominous Signs for Travel's Recovery – SkiftAug 14 06:37
schestowitz 14 06:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Gross Domestic Product, 2nd Quarter 2020 (Advance Estimate) and Annual Update | U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)Aug 14 06:38
schestowitz"Real gross domestic product (GDP) decreased at an annual rate of 32.9 percent in the second quarter of 2020 (table 1), according to the "advance" estimate released by the Bureau of Economic Analysis. In the first quarter, real GDP decreased 5.0 percent."Aug 14 06:38
schestowitz"Disposable personal income increased $1.53 trillion, or 42.1 percent, in the second quarter, compared with an increase of $157.8 billion, or 3.9 percent, in the first quarter. Real disposable personal income increased 44.9 percent, compared with an increase of 2.6 percent."Aug 14 06:40
schestowitzThe GDP/debt ratio is becoming alarmingAug 14 06:40
schestowitzand the Orange One lowered taxes on oligarchs and corporationsAug 14 06:40
schestowitzthe debt will never be repaid/paid back Aug 14 06:40
schestowitzif the US default, there will be lots of pains... and firewarmsAug 14 06:41
schestowitzdebt up 4 trillion in less than 12 monthsAug 14 06:41
schestowitzwith very little done to pay back any of it in recent years/decadesAug 14 06:42
schestowitzIt was less than 20 trillion when Orange was 'elected'Aug 14 06:42
schestowitz now almost 27Aug 14 06:43
schestowitzin less than 4 yearsAug 14 06:43
schestowitzIt was less than 10 when obama was electedAug 14 06:43
schestowitzand then they had to save the bankstersAug 14 06:43
schestowitzafter trillion were spent on Bush warsAug 14 06:44
schestowitzDuring Clinton it was mostly flat at 5 trillionAug 14 06:44
schestowitzthis was when the US still looked somewhat solid, middle class still existedAug 14 06:44
schestowitzof course they propped up Waltons at alAug 14 06:45
schestowitzbut at least the US was more or less in control of its financeAug 14 06:45
schestowitz*financeAug 14 06:45
schestowitznow it's an out-of-control consumer with many debit (debt) or credit cards maxed upAug 14 06:45
schestowitzand no wonder Social Security is cutAug 14 06:45
schestowitzUp until the 1970s the US had no real debtAug 14 06:46
schestowitznegligibleAug 14 06:46
schestowitzthen they left the gold standard or literal goldAug 14 06:46
schestowitzbut the real lunacy started around the time I was bornAug 14 06:47
schestowitznot it's growing exponentially, like COVID in the USAug 14 06:47
schestowitzif the plan is to steal companies from the lender (China etc.), expect warAug 14 06:47
schestowitzand Saudi, another VC to many US companies, has its own deep financial issuesAug 14 06:47
schestowitzit all points towards insolvency nowAug 14 06:48
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MogzagainHi :-)Aug 14 07:21
MogzagainI do some lurking now and then, lol, and saw psydread saying they were looking for an e-ink reader running Linux. The best I could find is Pocketbook Touch (I got the Lux4). I keep it offline, and have never set up wifi on it or gone online via it. Aug 14 07:22
MogzagainAlso, I'm not sure if it's know that there's tensorflow hidden in some surprising programs. I'm running Anarchy/Mate (very much a beginner), but an update for lmdb came through, with only one other update, so got my attention. Aug 14 07:23
MogzagainEnds up the only way to remove lmdb, which is tensorflow, is to remove samba, caja-share, smbclient and mpv. I don't use these things anyway, but it's the first time I've had to remove something on Arch. A startup programme I noticed too; xapp-sn-watcher ... removed it, and system noticeably faster. Aug 14 07:24
MogzagainThank goodness for Parole video player.Aug 14 07:26
MogzagainI'd stopped xapp-sn-watcher from running on startup, but it was back after a reboot, so only removing it worked. Aug 14 07:28
MogzagainSomeone on the mint forum is saying this eats lots of ram, and they get the response that it's a new part of apparatus for supporting application icons in the system tray. Hosted on github of course. Aug 14 07:30
schestowitzhiAug 14 07:30
MogzagainHi Roy :-)Aug 14 07:31
schestowitzwhat does mint host on btw?Aug 14 07:31
schestowitziirc, they also use some dodgy hosting for their own codeAug 14 07:31
MogzagainIt looks like github for this app. Not sure about the rest. Aug 14 07:31
MogzagainYes, surprising how many links and places always end up at github. Aug 14 07:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux Mint · GitHubAug 14 07:32
Mogzagainlooks like it's possibly all githubAug 14 07:32
schestowitzyeahAug 14 07:33
Mogzagaina shame, as their stand against snaps, plus getting more independent from ubuntu, is goodAug 14 07:33
schestowitzreally badAug 14 07:33
schestowitzmint isn't a libre-aware distroAug 14 07:33
schestowitzthis is why we use Debian hereAug 14 07:34
MogzagainI left it 18 months ago, as if the occasional really big blooper happened, they'd not listen, plus suddenly it was about lots of bits and pieces not being as accessible eg graphics tablets used to be automatically seen, and were  changed to not being seen, etc. And asking made no diff. Aug 14 07:35
MogzagainGood that Debian is more libre-aware. Aug 14 07:35
schestowitzfor now anywayAug 14 07:35
MogzagainyesAug 14 07:35
schestowitznothing is perfectAug 14 07:35
schestowitznothing is ..... "mint"Aug 14 07:35
schestowitzbut given regressions over the yearsAug 14 07:35
MogzagainYou're right; seems to be must look as hard as possible for what is the best option, and harden that as much as can. Aug 14 07:35
MogzagainlolAug 14 07:36
schestowitzanything that does not concede as quickly as the general trend... goodAug 14 07:36
schestowitzdebian still excludes proprietary blobsAug 14 07:36
Mogzagainyes, anybody making a good stand is doing a good thingAug 14 07:36
schestowitzas the FSF asked themAug 14 07:36
schestowitznot the FSF pres is a GitHub userAug 14 07:36
Mogzagainare the blobs still optional? or has that changed?Aug 14 07:36
schestowitz*usedAug 14 07:36
schestowitzoptionalAug 14 07:36
schestowitzwe had to load them into the installer using a usb drive, with a file downloaded from the WWWAug 14 07:37
Mogzagainyes, not good news re FSF pres ... Alexandre would have been perfect. Aug 14 07:37
Mogzagaingood re optionalAug 14 07:37
schestowitzwhich I am OK with, at least they don't make assumptions and force it onto itAug 14 07:37
schestowitz(it's just for wifi)Aug 14 07:37
MogzagainYes, force is unacceptable, for sureAug 14 07:37
schestowitzI am very happy with BusterAug 14 07:37
schestowitzmy wife uses it tooAug 14 07:37
MogzagainGoodAug 14 07:37
schestowitzvery reliable and we use no blobs other than this wifi firmwareAug 14 07:38
schestowitzit might be possible to get it running without the blob, but I did not try... have bad experience trying such thingsAug 14 07:38
MogzagainGood to get to use a system you like and settle with that. I'm like that with Mate, although some papercuts showing; starting to need an update!Aug 14 07:38
schestowitzKDE is goofAug 14 07:38
schestowitz*goodAug 14 07:38
schestowitzGNU/Linux is very, very goodAug 14 07:38
MogzagainYes, I stay away from wifi/networky stuffAug 14 07:38
MogzagainlolAug 14 07:38
schestowitzjust needs better fighting, more marketing etc.Aug 14 07:39
schestowitzwe were always weak on the promotion sideAug 14 07:39
Mogzagaingoof sounded right, lolAug 14 07:39
schestowitzand we know whose side Pentagon is onAug 14 07:39
schestowitzthey want back doors (APple, Microsoft, Android/Google) on every deviceAug 14 07:39
Mogzagainleft that too, and tend to see posts where ppl conscerned incase KDE privacy issuesAug 14 07:39
schestowitzeven chromebook... perfect... all your files in "the clown"Aug 14 07:39
schestowitzKDE Kate did some telemetryAug 14 07:40
schestowitzI think Christian fixed thatAug 14 07:40
schestowitzafter getting caught with people complainingAug 14 07:40
MogzagainPentagon needs to be put on some desert island, along with other governments etcAug 14 07:40
schestowitzyou cannot scroll up, so...Aug 14 07:40
schestowitz[06:40] <schestowitz> "Disposable personal income increased $1.53 trillion, or 42.1 percent, in the second quarter, compared with an increase of $157.8 billion, or 3.9 percent, in the first quarter. Real disposable personal income increased 44.9 percent, compared with an increase of 2.6 percent."Aug 14 07:40
Mogzagainbig tech ott influence eg main instance stops on Sept 1st, and google quickly come in to block up other instancesAug 14 07:40
schestowitz[06:40] <schestowitz> The GDP/debt ratio is becoming alarmingAug 14 07:40
schestowitz[06:40] <schestowitz> and the Orange One lowered taxes on oligarchs and corporationsAug 14 07:40
schestowitz[06:41] <schestowitz> debt up 4 trillion in less than 12 monthsAug 14 07:40
schestowitz[06:42] <schestowitz> with very little done to pay back any of it in recent years/decadesAug 14 07:41
schestowitz[06:42] <schestowitz> It was less than 20 trillion when Orange was 'elected'Aug 14 07:41
schestowitz[06:43] <schestowitz>  now almost 27Aug 14 07:41
schestowitz[06:43] <schestowitz> in less than 4 yearsAug 14 07:41
schestowitz[06:43] <schestowitz> It was less than 10 when obama was electedAug 14 07:41
schestowitzgive it time; like Microsoft, it might collapseAug 14 07:41
schestowitzTrump tries to 'bail out' with TikTok and moreAug 14 07:41
schestowitznot TencentAug 14 07:41
Mogzagainyes, won't touch KDE againAug 14 07:41
schestowitzthese are the sign of empire dying, not just in declineAug 14 07:41
schestowitzaggressively stealing other countries' firms, using blackmail tacticsAug 14 07:41
Mogzagainshocking state of affairs what's going on this year; dreadful for ppl, losing jobs, not getting health treatment, numbers fudged, businesses closing, etc etc etcAug 14 07:42
schestowitzanyway, gnu linux should 'hang in there'Aug 14 07:42
schestowitzeven china moved to itAug 14 07:42
schestowitzreportedly assigned like 10,000 chinese engineers to improve it. Russia and South Korea--sameAug 14 07:42
schestowitzEurope still in bed with GAFAM because of NATO/USAug 14 07:43
schestowitzbut might change allegiances at one pointAug 14 07:43
MogzagainI think a lot of the time such as Trump are all doing a pantomime of some kind ie all friends in the background e.g. with big tech, but they like to distract and confuse the public, while doing whatever they want behind the scenesAug 14 07:43
schestowitzGermany seems to be cooling on US and getting in better terms with china nowAug 14 07:43
schestowitzMogzagain: your theory is correctAug 14 07:43
schestowitzNoam Chomsky said it years agoAug 14 07:43
schestowitzahead of anyone noticingAug 14 07:44
Mogzagaineek, as long as china just runs it ... don't want any code, thanks, lolAug 14 07:44
schestowitzJohn Bolton even admitted Trump was throwing distraction bombsAug 14 07:44
schestowitze.g. when Ivanka had an email scandal almost identical to HRC'sAug 14 07:44
schestowitzMogzagain: you don't need to use their binariesAug 14 07:44
schestowitzthey use it out of lack of optionsAug 14 07:44
schestowitzthey cannot rely on Apple, Microsoft and Google OSes for their citizens, army...Aug 14 07:45
Mogzagainyes, smoke and mirrors. I always question straight away what the system could be distracting people from. Aug 14 07:45
schestowitz 14 07:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Noam Chomsky: Trump Administration is Aiming to Decimate All Programs to Help Working People - YouTubeAug 14 07:45
schestowitzbut this is not the interview I was looking forAug 14 07:45
schestowitzTHIS one is 14 07:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Noam Chomsky: Donald Trump is a Distraction - YouTubeAug 14 07:46
schestowitzit's a good video, overlaid with imagesAug 14 07:46
MogzagainYes, if you skim various news places (or RSS them etc) often see similar things happen at the same time eg 2 ereaders companies made big changes this week, which threatens future of their products ... I read that as probably re-aligning with the cloud/iot/machine-learning/something dodgy they prefer or got a good deal for. Aug 14 07:46
schestowitzEither way, this is his seventh ongoing bankruptcyAug 14 07:46
schestowitzSocial Security next to be choppedAug 14 07:46
schestowitzEPA and FCC etc. guttedAug 14 07:46
schestowitzSNAPAug 14 07:46
MogzagainSame doubts with Mozilla ... laying off major sections could mean their plans are something we may not like. Aug 14 07:46
schestowitzyeah, let people starve, then wonder why they riot :/Aug 14 07:47
schestowitzMozilla was living on borrowed time and Google cash for too longAug 14 07:47
schestowitzI hope we can demolish the WebAug 14 07:47
MogzagainThanks for YT link ... 1st time using hexchat instead of accessing IRC on your site, so have copied the link and will check it out laterAug 14 07:47
schestowitzit won't be easyAug 14 07:47
schestowitzbut dismantling it would serve us wellAug 14 07:47
schestowitzTim B-L is trying something, but he outsourced the code to Microsoft (Github), so I lost all interestAug 14 07:48
schestowitzit's also a JavaScript bombAug 14 07:48
schestowitzMogzagain: the second of the video is more relevantAug 14 07:48
Mogzagainabout ... Freetube's Preston rushing through his rewrite, hoping that can take the place of invidio.usAug 14 07:48
schestowitzi cannot vouch for the first, only saw few seconds of itAug 14 07:48
schestowitzthese days Noam is donning a big beard 14 07:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Noam Chomsky: Under Trump's tinpot dictatorship, corporate power rules all - YouTubeAug 14 07:49
schestowitzspeaks slower, skin issues showing, maybe has a few more years leftAug 14 07:49
Mogzagainand another shock lastnight was finding a letter from my housing association saying they want to do a covid survey ... this is regarding sheltered housing nb, where there's been nobody around all year and most ppl are isolated alreadyAug 14 07:49
MogzagainI'm up North btw, UKAug 14 07:49
schestowitzI am tooAug 14 07:49
schestowitz not very up northAug 14 07:50
schestowitzMancAug 14 07:50
MogzagainYes, your comment re ppl who're starving riot ... 100% agreeAug 14 07:50
schestowitzbut bezos and billness are happyAug 14 07:50
schestowitzand that's what mattersAug 14 07:50
MogzagainYes, big tech just going crazy about the web now, and governments just letting them ... a new Web needed for sureAug 14 07:50
schestowitz" Gates: 'Black People, Indigenous People' Should Get Vaccine First"Aug 14 07:50
MogzagainYes Tim B-L caught my attention briefly too, but then no more newsAug 14 07:51
schestowitzMogzagain: that's down for the DIGITAL rebellionAug 14 07:51
MogzagainWill be sure to watch the 2nd linkAug 14 07:51
schestowitzlong in the makingAug 14 07:51
schestowitzthe Internet might soon be splitAug 14 07:51
schestowitzthe split might start with RussiaAug 14 07:51
schestowitzChina already has its firewallsAug 14 07:51
schestowitzvery broad ones, nothing to do with security but CPP's stabilityAug 14 07:51
schestowitzso international forces will dismantle what we currently haveAug 14 07:52
MogzagainYes, visited Manchester once for a gig ... owl city ... it was awesomeAug 14 07:52
schestowitzhow we rebuild it depends partly on geeks across nationsAug 14 07:52
schestowitzGAFAM won't dominate it all for longer, some operate at a lossAug 14 07:52
MogzagainGates is the devil's a-hole itself ... I can't even write lol, as he's just so foulAug 14 07:52
schestowitz20 secs ago I published 14 07:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [Meme] Linux Foundation and ZDNet Openwashing Proprietary Mass Surveillance (for a Fee!) | TechrightsAug 14 07:53
schestowitzif you can check the English with me, that would be awesomeAug 14 07:53
schestowitzMogzagain: good news is, many many many more people  now know who Gates itAug 14 07:53
schestowitza decade ago I was talking to too few peopleAug 14 07:53
schestowitzhis whole vaccine drive is backfiring Aug 14 07:54
MogzagainI think the worse GAFAM get, the more people are waking up, and nobody wants their privacy invaded I don't think, so there should be more and more geeksAug 14 07:54
schestowitzPutting himself at the forefront in media was an error of his 14 07:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | You Just Know Somebody is in a State of Retreat When the Strategy Becomes to Discredit One’s Critics (or Collectively Paint Them All as Wrong/Crazy) | TechrightsAug 14 07:54
MogzagainAlways good to read about GAFAM losing moneyAug 14 07:54
schestowitznot all of themAug 14 07:54
schestowitzbut after covid, we shall seeAug 14 07:54
schestowitzlots of pentagon dark money (1.1 trillion a year) funnelled into themAug 14 07:55
Mogzagaindo you want me to go and ready the openwashing article now? Aug 14 07:55
schestowitzwe already know why, it's an open secret 14 07:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Full-spectrum dominance - WikipediaAug 14 07:55
schestowitzyes, pleaseAug 14 07:55
schestowitzhave a slow readAug 14 07:55
Mogzagainwill just zoom hexchat down a bitAug 14 07:55
schestowitzI am doing a bunch of memesAug 14 07:55
schestowitzI will paste hereAug 14 07:55
schestowitz"The Linux Foundation and ZDNet [1,2] tell us that Facebook is “open” (because it pays for that openwashing); the Foundation’s love of mass surveillance [4, 2, 3, 4] and spin regarding such surveillance is reaching new heights for the Foundation, clearly misusing the “Linux” brand, is rapidly becoming a leading voice for malicious surveillance companies that need openwashing to merely seem or feel “ethical”"Aug 14 07:56
Mogzagain*read, not 'ready'Aug 14 07:56
schestowitzI got the numbers wrongAug 14 07:56
Mogzagaineven the first sentence ... the LF tell us FB is open ... should never be hearing a Linux organisation support FB!Aug 14 07:57
schestowitzyes, butAug 14 07:57
schestowitzif you did open the page, you would see the refsAug 14 07:57
schestowitzFB pays them for itAug 14 07:57
schestowitzit also pays other orgs to do the sameAug 14 07:57
schestowitzit's just grotesqueAug 14 07:57
schestowitzwar is peaceAug 14 07:58
schestowitzMicrosoft loves LinuxAug 14 07:58
schestowitzFB loves privacyAug 14 07:58
schestowitzIBM saves livesAug 14 07:58
schestowitzetc etc.Aug 14 07:58
Mogzagainyes, it's just so wrong ... these ppl are corrupt to their cores and only want to bring things down.Aug 14 07:58
schestowitzSJVN acts like an LF operative nowAug 14 07:59
schestowitzalong with SPAMnilAug 14 07:59
schestowitzhe also boosts OIN and LOTAug 14 07:59
schestowitzthose are the patent cartelsAug 14 07:59
Mogzagainthe more obnoxious these places get, the more fed up ppl get, and want to make changes eg more linux users this yearAug 14 07:59
oiaohmReally facebook does release a lot of stuff open source.Aug 14 07:59
oiaohmOf course that does not magically make them a good company.Aug 14 07:59
schestowitzwhat proportion, oiaohm?Aug 14 07:59
schestowitzwhat % of their code?Aug 14 08:00
schestowitzoiaohm: stop defending liars, playing devil's advocate all the time makes you seem like the devilAug 14 08:00
Mogzagainthere's nothing about linux where I find myself being glad that FB is involved ... heart sinksAug 14 08:00
Mogzagainand there's nothing I use where I think 'it's great that FB gave this/is involved' ... just get sadAug 14 08:01
oiaohmschestowitz:  I could not give you a percentage.Aug 14 08:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Facebook Incubator · GitHubAug 14 08:01
Mogzagainthese companies only want benefit for themselves, as linux is free and lots of others do great work, and GAFAM come and use thatAug 14 08:01
MogzagainI wish I knew who okayed the lmdb that shocked me yesterday, with it's tensorflow poop hidden in caja-share, mpv, samba, smbclientAug 14 08:02
Mogzagainwas it FB? was it the LF? ... Aug 14 08:02
schestowitzoiaohm: imagine number of engs thereAug 14 08:03
schestowitzhow much code per dayAug 14 08:03
schestowitzso maybe less than 5% ends up publicAug 14 08:03
schestowitzand their secret code would be worseAug 14 08:03
schestowitzdata-mining people's 'private' messages etc.Aug 14 08:03
Mogzagainultimately wonder how much dodgy stuff gets okayed eg by the LF and it's GAFAM buddiesAug 14 08:04
schestowitzfollow moneyAug 14 08:04
Mogzagainguaranteed their secret code will be very bad, especially with machine learning/tracking nowAug 14 08:04
schestowitzit's a money operationAug 14 08:04
schestowitzfsf still has hopeAug 14 08:04
schestowitzsfc notAug 14 08:04
schestowitzit takes Microsoft bribes, years already..Aug 14 08:04
schestowitzand then pushes to oust RMSAug 14 08:04
Mogzagainthe system wants rid of encryption and to read everything, yesAug 14 08:04
schestowitzbecause 'terrorismAug 14 08:05
Mogzagainyes, you were saying there are some awake ppl in the FSFAug 14 08:05
oiaohmschestowitz:   This project you do have to wonder why facebook needs it.Aug 14 08:05
schestowitzthe rich call even reactionary protests terrorism nowAug 14 08:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - facebookincubator/WEASEL: DNS covert channel implant for Red Teams.Aug 14 08:05
Mogzagainhow is RMS? is he doing well?Aug 14 08:05
schestowitzand use the data to toss people in unmarked vansAug 14 08:05
schestowitzMogzagain: he wanted to tell me some secrets a few timesAug 14 08:05
schestowitzand forgot what he wanted to tell me by the time I said yesAug 14 08:05
Mogzagainyes, just thinking freely and being normal - terrorist ... shocking, and called that BY terrorists/supportersAug 14 08:05
schestowitzbarr and trump call opposition to fascism "terrorism"Aug 14 08:06
schestowitzwhich shows you where we are headedAug 14 08:06
Mogzagainyes, terrifying. this house inspection thing, they said they could just descend any time up to Sept 24th or can call to make appt. They expect you to clean every handle, open windows (I have massive spider phobia, lol) etc! despite them wearing gearAug 14 08:06
schestowitzsocietal breakdown this month will follow as millions are evicted in the USAug 14 08:07
MogzagainYes, I imagine there's a lot more RMS could share. Aug 14 08:07
schestowitzthe police already has its armed robots and dronesAug 14 08:07
oiaohmschestowitz: some of the stuff facebook release open source itself is questionable why.   If the stuff a company released open source contains some questionable usage stuff and closed source stuff a company has is normally worse than what a company release open source.  How bad stuff is inside facebook has to be way up there.Aug 14 08:07
schestowitzopen source misses the pointAug 14 08:07
Mogzagainthe police ... dreadful; much worseAug 14 08:07
schestowitzFB= proprietaryAug 14 08:07
schestowitzgithub account (also proprietary) = perception managementAug 14 08:08
schestowitzit's proprietary+marketing=openwashingAug 14 08:08
schestowitzoiaohm: you always miss the pointAug 14 08:08
schestowitzpolice bodycams in us= azureAug 14 08:08
Mogzagain@oiaohm everyone knows FB is dodgy, and everyone knows open source doesn't mean freedom-respecting or privateAug 14 08:08
schestowitzmaybe in uk alsoAug 14 08:08
schestowitziirc, they use taser renamedAug 14 08:08
schestowitzaxonAug 14 08:08
schestowitzbut may vary, as much uk police outsourced to gates contractors like g4sAug 14 08:09
schestowitzso even the police is not literally and directly in the pockets of oligarchsAug 14 08:09
schestowitzunaccountable to the state itself... and courtsAug 14 08:09
Mogzagainkeep seeing terrible footage eg cops in USA just shoot ppl immediatelyAug 14 08:09
schestowitzwhy not? they see they can get away with itAug 14 08:09
schestowitzmaybe on suspension with payAug 14 08:09
schestowitzif fired, go to another state, get rehiredAug 14 08:09
schestowitzmany cops in the us are ex militaryAug 14 08:10
schestowitzthey're trained to kill any resistanceAug 14 08:10
oiaohmschestowitz:  that was not the full list of open source projects by facebook.  Yes facebook support different AI engines.  Of course they don't give how those ai engines are trained or used inside facebook.Aug 14 08:10
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schestowitz 14 08:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Three North Carolina Police Officers Fired Over Racist Rants About Black PeopleAug 14 08:10
MogzagainI think most of the good UK, and USA, cops have probably left, but it's good to think there's those people and their skills around if things get worseAug 14 08:10
schestowitzJust firedAug 14 08:11
schestowitzhe'll find another PD to work forAug 14 08:11
schestowitzwhere he can say stuff like, "let's shoot some niggers"Aug 14 08:11
schestowitzMogzagain: I know one who left the MetAug 14 08:11
schestowitzhe was reasonably okAug 14 08:11
Mogzagainyes, they all typically watch each other's backsAug 14 08:11
schestowitzhe was infiltrating EDL and worse groupsAug 14 08:11
schestowitzoiaohm: you are a PR agentAug 14 08:12
MogzagainGood that your friend left the Met!Aug 14 08:12
schestowitzoiaohm: BP is a green energy company, tooAug 14 08:12
Mogzagainyes, USA cops are IDF trainedAug 14 08:12
schestowitzMogzagain: they forced him to do things he disliked, like use a baton against students in those 2010 protestsAug 14 08:12
schestowitzIDF is US army-trained, tooAug 14 08:13
Mogzagainwith the ref to AI, just to note that I can't see any of that in ParoleAug 14 08:13
Mogzagainthank goodnessAug 14 08:13
schestowitzIf it's up against Arabs, they let themselves do anything they wantAug 14 08:13
schestowitznot they do the violence inwards, domesticallyAug 14 08:13
schestowitzstarting with 'queers',  blacks etc.Aug 14 08:13
Mogzagainchauvin worked in germany, then suddenly to USA ... they just move them round it seemsAug 14 08:13
schestowitzThielAug 14 08:14
schestowitz(Palantir, FB Board)Aug 14 08:14
schestowitzhe also met Epstein for dinner a few years agoAug 14 08:14
oiaohmschestowitz: not really.  PR agent.  Its more I would not be sure what percent of facebook code base is open source.  It could be as high as 90%.   Open source is technology and technology can be used for good or evil it purely comes down to who is operating it.Aug 14 08:14
schestowitzlooking to contain the bad press about the money passing handsAug 14 08:14
MogzagainGood that he refused to use batons etcAug 14 08:14
schestowitzoiaohm: nonsenseAug 14 08:15
schestowitzit's nowhere near even 10%Aug 14 08:15
schestowitzMogzagain: police with less conscious people rots thoughAug 14 08:15
schestowitzuntil it hires from the underworld, willing to serve and protect old friendsAug 14 08:15
MogzagainFB bad, and I'm not just 90% about thatAug 14 08:15
schestowitzdon't worry about oiaohm, he's always like thatAug 14 08:16
schestowitzhe's also a Microsoft apologist a lot of the timeAug 14 08:16
MogzagainThey whip ppl up into dramas and traumas, then impact that with violating privacy and rights more and moreAug 14 08:16
schestowitzin the name of being 'reasonable' or whatnotAug 14 08:16
schestowitzsurveillance = "We got your dirt"Aug 14 08:16
schestowitz"behave, or we air it"Aug 14 08:16
schestowitzworks very well on politiciansAug 14 08:16
schestowitzwho may have searched google for the 'wrong' thing some time in the past 20 years... or pressed the 'wrong' linkAug 14 08:17
schestowitzor got the 'wrong' email from someone they don't even knowAug 14 08:17
Mogzagainyes, I remember from b4 about oiaohm being pro-GAFAM! Aug 14 08:17
schestowitzhe's the same in phoronix forumsAug 14 08:17
oiaohmschestowitz: The database tech facebook has used from day one has been open source.    There is a long list like this.   10% is really way to low.  Large percentage of facebook operation just would not work without open source techs. Aug 14 08:17
schestowitzoiaohm: not their db Aug 14 08:18
schestowitzthey exploit other people's worAug 14 08:18
schestowitz*workAug 14 08:18
schestowitzthat's like Microsoft taking credit for gitAug 14 08:18
schestowitzto brag about "open" githubAug 14 08:18
Mogzagainwith all this AI/invasion/machine stuff, am so happy left social medias a couple of years ago! better to move to RSS and IRCs etcAug 14 08:18
schestowitz> Large percentage of facebook operation just would not work without open source techs. Aug 14 08:18
schestowitzAll US airbases would not operate without crops and foodAug 14 08:18
schestowitzso what?Aug 14 08:18
schestowitzyes, RSS is very goodAug 14 08:19
schestowitznobody to censor people, lower visibility etc.Aug 14 08:19
schestowitzexcept "planets"Aug 14 08:19
schestowitzyou then rely on a medium that sanctions some voicesAug 14 08:19
Mogzagainyes, FB's benefit from using open source ... underline FBAug 14 08:19
oiaohmschestowitz:     The database facebook uses is mysql with their own addons.   Contents of the facebook databases is hidden but the engine running it is not.Aug 14 08:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | ProjectsAug 14 08:19
schestowitzlike planet debian 'canceling' some devs who had moralityAug 14 08:19
schestowitzoiaohm: missing the point, stillAug 14 08:20
schestowitzoiaohm: you rely too much on marketing cataloguesAug 14 08:20
schestowitzbrochure-like sitesAug 14 08:20
schestowitzuse your mindAug 14 08:20
Mogzagainyes, RSS is so awesome! liferea is great. At the moment, needed to shift all links across to another instance, then google blocking those, lol, but inventive linuxers are on the caseAug 14 08:20
schestowitzuse some basic logicAug 14 08:20
schestowitzGoogle censorship in youtube is insane nowAug 14 08:21
schestowitzlast week it also banned techdirtAug 14 08:21
schestowitzfrom adsAug 14 08:21
schestowitzdemonoetisedAug 14 08:21
schestowitzeven though techdirt is very pro-GoogleAug 14 08:21
schestowitzand uses Google Analytics, AdSense etc.Aug 14 08:21
schestowitzin youtube they now ban whole channels in the name of "health"Aug 14 08:21
oiaohmschestowitz: basic logic here.   Facebook has done stuff on the cheapest way possible.   So they use the most open source possible.   Now the way you use that tech.   Facebook using it to collect lots of personal information and data process it.... that not exactly nice.Aug 14 08:22
schestowitzit's odd because last I checked techdirt was still in Google NewsAug 14 08:22
Mogzagainyes, any power has just gone insane-level with google now, plus twitter banning bitchute linksAug 14 08:22
schestowitzSo Google deems it good enough a news source, but bad enough for ads?!Aug 14 08:22
Mogzagainthe faster alternate platforms grow the betterAug 14 08:22
schestowitzoiaohm: so stop openwashing themAug 14 08:22
schestowitzthey leverage some free software to do evilAug 14 08:22
MogzagainI do think daily more ppl are getting fed up and looking outside the main social platforms thoughAug 14 08:23
Mogzagainyes, they're starting to eat their ownAug 14 08:23
schestowitzI have not uploaded anything to YouTube for years... maybe 4 yearsAug 14 08:23
oiaohmIts not some free software its majority of their software they are using is most likely open source with facebook.Aug 14 08:23
oiaohmBut that does not mean they cannot be as evil as hell.Aug 14 08:23
schestowitzright, so let's move on, oiaohmAug 14 08:23
Mogzagainlol, FB are certainly cheap! and use whatever free stuff they can take. Aug 14 08:23
schestowitzamazon alsoAug 14 08:23
schestowitzjust a big webhost and shopAug 14 08:24
schestowitznever understand why amazon even took off, they didn't innovate anything at allAug 14 08:24
MogzagainBut yes, them data-mining is 100% wrong ... conning ppl in with 'just chat/relax'Aug 14 08:24
schestowitzI am very restrictive what I talk about onlineAug 14 08:24
schestowitzexcept in encrypted email with people I know who don't use stuff like Windows and GmailAug 14 08:25
schestowitz2 weeks ago my wife let her mobile # lapseAug 14 08:25
schestowitzso she no longer has anything connected to antennasAug 14 08:25
Mogzagaingood about not YT uploads, yes Aug 14 08:25
schestowitzshe wasn't carrying that device around anyway since like 2014Aug 14 08:25
schestowitzI told her it could learn a lot by tracking her movementAug 14 08:25
schestowitznow that device is basically a tabletAug 14 08:26
schestowitzwith android 2 point somethingAug 14 08:26
Mogzagaingood about your wife dropping mobile ... I got a non-smartphone recently (only had Blackberry Passport previously, not these huge doorstop things full of apps)Aug 14 08:26
schestowitzall phones connect to thr towersAug 14 08:27
schestowitzI am not sure you can disable that eitherAug 14 08:27
schestowitzon most phones/OSesAug 14 08:27
Mogzagainyes, lots of ppl are getting switched on about dumb phones and not carrying anything that can be tracked. It's good to see the awareness growing. Aug 14 08:27
schestowitzsome don't let you remove the batteries either, and will triangulate even when it's turned out t find out where you are and maybe record while it's turned off, the broadcast when back 'on line'Aug 14 08:27
Mogzagainyes, minimum use of phone seems to be the only way to reduce those pings, and use other commsAug 14 08:28
schestowitz*out t > off to Aug 14 08:28
Mogzagainyes, that 'recording even while off' is terrifying ... throw that thing as far as it'll go, lol!Aug 14 08:28
schestowitzI read about that ages agoAug 14 08:28
schestowitzthe assumption is that people turn off phones to hide somethingAug 14 08:28
schestowitzso it might start recording, then send the audio later on, covertlyAug 14 08:28
schestowitzit can at least be used for leverageAug 14 08:29
schestowitzpoliticians rarely have ordinary phonesAug 14 08:29
schestowitzmaybe orange one (demented) still use a non-specialised oneAug 14 08:29
Mogzagainyes, they have specially secured phones for their dirty deedsAug 14 08:29
Mogzagainhe certainly loves twitter!Aug 14 08:29
schestowitzbut I reckon many people already have 'dirt' and leverage over him, which can explain a lotAug 14 08:29
schestowitztwitter loves him backAug 14 08:30
schestowitzhelps sell adsAug 14 08:30
MogzagainyepAug 14 08:30
schestowitz"The rise of the twittotocians"Aug 14 08:30
schestowitzas if you cannot run for office of parl without having a twitter handleAug 14 08:30
schestowitzand or .org is "old school"Aug 14 08:30
Mogzagainvery telling that he doesn't stand up for free speech, even in the run up to an election ... could have been a vote winner, so maybe the system's plan is that someone else becomes prez, as the amount of stuff he DOESN'T fix is hugeAug 14 08:31
schestowitzeven whitehouse now relays OFFICIAL messages through a private company that sells adsAug 14 08:31
Mogzagainquite a tongue twister, lol, twittotociansAug 14 08:31
schestowitzlook how media covers politicsAug 14 08:32
oiaohmReally its very hard to make a proper secure phone with modem intergrated into single chip with your cpu cores so you cannot power it off independantly.Aug 14 08:32
schestowitzit's all tweets and clickbait for headlinesAug 14 08:32
schestowitztl;dr, zero substanceAug 14 08:32
Mogzagaindumb bread and circuses, all this social media stuff ... see it with art circles too, the superficiality, instagram etcAug 14 08:32
schestowitzyeah, I rarely spend time on itAug 14 08:32
oiaohmOf course making cpu and modem be 1 chip makes production cost lower.Aug 14 08:32
schestowitzI read replies I receive, but that's about itAug 14 08:33
Mogzagainsome big art forums gone, and was reading ppl saying that many replaced by numerous fb/instagram places, and quality of posts droppedAug 14 08:33
schestowitzand replies likewiseAug 14 08:33
schestowitz"lol" as commentAug 14 08:33
schestowitzor 'like"Aug 14 08:33
schestowitzor "share"Aug 14 08:33
schestowitzpeople reduced to coop fowl level of interactionAug 14 08:33
schestowitzeven pavlov's dogs had more intellect than thisAug 14 08:34
MogzagainI read bits here and there, but no joining, and plenty of privacy things/VPN, + RSS/lifereaAug 14 08:34
schestowitzand it's easy to game such discourage automatically, hence social control media is now manipulated by statesAug 14 08:34
oiaohmshare on most sites people dont think what that is in fact telling.Aug 14 08:34
schestowitzlet them waste timeAug 14 08:34
schestowitz"liking" thingsAug 14 08:34
schestowitzscrolling down "Walls"Aug 14 08:34
schestowitzI quit this shitAug 14 08:34
Mogzagainyes, shallow and unfocussed and not about quality or anything meaningfulAug 14 08:35
schestowitzI don't even load a page that shows all the "likes" and stuff I get, only actual replies"Aug 14 08:35
schestowitzand many of those replies are shallow anywayAug 14 08:35
oiaohmYou see some so called new sites doing that never ending scroll crap.Aug 14 08:35
schestowitz10 years ago blogs received long comments, which took a long time to typeAug 14 08:35
Mogzagainyes, ppl don't realise how much data is being gathered and interpreted when they're sharing stuffAug 14 08:35
schestowitzalso distractions as side dishes, oiaohmAug 14 08:36
schestowitzlike shown here: 14 08:36
Mogzagainyes, it's such a relief to be outside of that superficial social media bubble, and data-miningAug 14 08:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How Social Control Media Works: The Case of Twitter, Visualised and Annotated | TechrightsAug 14 08:36
schestowitzthey decide for you what the 'news' hereAug 14 08:36
schestowitzso they shape news cyclesAug 14 08:36
schestowitzdeciding what the latest "outrage" will beAug 14 08:36
schestowitzas they did JK Rowling this summer, feeding a bunch of trollsAug 14 08:36
oiaohmsomething worse is how many people still email around garbage chain emails.Aug 14 08:36
schestowitzfor over a monthAug 14 08:36
Mogzagainyes, scrolling isn't a good format ... a good solid forum or IRC or article, much better for concentration and digestingAug 14 08:37
schestowitzcannot mark as read/unreadAug 14 08:37
schestowitzcannot filter by topicsAug 14 08:37
schestowitzit's throwing the mind in too many directionsAug 14 08:37
schestowitzso you cannot maintain a flow of consistent thoughAug 14 08:37
schestowitzit's a mind storm... not in a good wayAug 14 08:37
Mogzagainespecially google etc have psychological teams, to deliberately work on users and provoke them or draw them in etcAug 14 08:38
Mogzagainyes, so much news is manufactured, with an agenda behindAug 14 08:38
schestowitzbrainstorming focuses on a single objective at a time, but we lost all that, social control media is global channel for everythingAug 14 08:38
Mogzagainbetter to do other things, just giving a cursory glance to see basically what's being whipped up, generallyAug 14 08:38
schestowitzMogzagain: new example: [Meme] #IBM and Its Shakeups (Shaking up of the Earth) #grillo #Linux_Foundation #LinuxFoundation #historyAug 14 08:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [Meme] IBM and Its Shakeups (Shaking up of the Earth) | TechrightsAug 14 08:38
schestowitzIBM saves lives!Aug 14 08:38
schestowitzthe news 'skipped' the Microsoft layoffsAug 14 08:39
schestowitzfor the most partAug 14 08:39
Mogzagainyes, very bad indeed to be constantly around stuff that's all about distraction/overload ... not good for the mindAug 14 08:39
schestowitzfocused on tiktok insteadAug 14 08:39
schestowitzI used to check twitter replies as soon as I got back homeAug 14 08:39
schestowitznow I do that just once a day in a hurry, not much of signal in these anywayAug 14 08:39
MogzagainI'm sure the mind learns better through clear and steady comms, without distractions/pressures etcAug 14 08:40
schestowitzI just squeeze twitter for what's left of it, it still drives some trafficAug 14 08:40
MogzagainI'll take a look at the IBM articleAug 14 08:40
schestowitzMogzagain: or groupthinkAug 14 08:40
schestowitzMogzagain: it's just a memeAug 14 08:40
schestowitzIBM is good with PR tricksAug 14 08:40
schestowitzthey had more than a century of 'practice'Aug 14 08:41
schestowitza lot of people have NO CLUE what IBM makes money fromAug 14 08:41
schestowitzonly that they employ loads of people and make money to pay salariesAug 14 08:41
MogzagainI bet this quake detection stuff has far more capabilitiesAug 14 08:41
Mogzagainyes, ppl being able to see messages on twitter is good ... saw you made it read-only ... great that ppl can still get a route to infoAug 14 08:42
Mogzagainyes, no part of me thinks IBM cares about ppl harmed by earthquakes or worseAug 14 08:43
schestowitzMogzagain: write only, not read onlyAug 14 08:45
Mogzagainoops!Aug 14 08:45
schestowitzread only would mean I rely on Twitter Inc. to tell me the newsAug 14 08:45
schestowitzand not have anything to do to offset thingsAug 14 08:45
Mogzagainsleepy brain got that wrong, lolAug 14 08:45
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Meet Twitter's second biggest shareholder, Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal - BBC NewsbeatAug 14 08:46
schestowitzTwitter is for-profitAug 14 08:46
schestowitzwith board ansd shareholderAug 14 08:46
schestowitzit's for-profit but NOT profitableAug 14 08:46
schestowitzit's about influence and power, not moneyAug 14 08:46
MogzagainI did register originally what you were saying in the article I read. Aug 14 08:46
oiaohmschestowitz:  IBM has some really fun how to make money models.Aug 14 08:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-IT Financing – IBM Global Financing - Australia | IBMAug 14 08:46
Mogzagainnot sleepy then, lolAug 14 08:46
schestowitzthey made some profit for the first time when they shut down the platformAug 14 08:46
schestowitzto push ads in 2018Aug 14 08:46
schestowitzoiaohm: they have the brandAug 14 08:47
schestowitzthey work with many govs, they already have the linksAug 14 08:47
schestowitzbut they lose some, e.g. CIA contracts to Amazon/AwSAug 14 08:47
Mogzagaindidn't know that about twitterAug 14 08:47
schestowitzso the money supply is diminishing, layoffs follow, outsourcing to India etcc.Aug 14 08:47
schestowitzIBM did lots of this "disaster" PR latelyAug 14 08:48
Mogzagainyes, always see twitter and various big corporations work in tandemAug 14 08:48
schestowitzand then COVID came and they started hammering and yammering about it every week/dayAug 14 08:48
schestowitzthey play the angle of saving usAug 14 08:48
schestowitztheir gov. projects are rather dark, lots of social control stuff in oppressive countriesAug 14 08:48
schestowitzTwitter bans critics of IslamAug 14 08:49
Mogzagainthose who control the mainstream media won't portray how many users are actually leaving social media; I'm sure it's far more than we knowAug 14 08:49
schestowitzbut it's pro-toleranceAug 14 08:49
schestowitzjust like Islamists are :-)Aug 14 08:49
schestowitzthey tried to ban me because of some silly activistsAug 14 08:49
schestowitzwho in any Muslim country would be hanging off a crane or worseAug 14 08:49
oiaohmschestowitz: IBM when they almost when under a long time ago restructed their core.   Core of IBM is a properity baron renting large areas out in major cities around the world to other comanies.  And lending other companies money in forms of different loans what is a good way to 1 aquire money 2 aquire tech on the cheap from those who cannot pay.Aug 14 08:50
schestowitzthe goal is to move back to RSSAug 14 08:50
Mogzagainyes, definitely playing the angle of 'saving us', and a strong agenda behind that, where one of the outcomes is e.g. many elderly die, and another outcome is many dying due to no medical treatment, etc. Even no dental care can put ppl at severe risk. Aug 14 08:50
schestowitzand explain to people how it works, why it is collectively better for societyAug 14 08:50
schestowitzthe mainstream media and GAFAM push against RSSAug 14 08:50
schestowitzthey deprecate existing RSS supportAug 14 08:50
schestowitzfor no good reason, eitherAug 14 08:50
schestowitzEven Mozilla did thatAug 14 08:51
oiaohmMost of the other stuff of IBM could disappear appear and the core of IBM would live on no problems.Aug 14 08:51
schestowitzoiaohm: yes, true, IBM does lots of pendingAug 14 08:51
schestowitzlendingAug 14 08:51
schestowitzso it's like a bank for over a decade nowAug 14 08:51
MogzagainI wonder if RSS is becoming a lot more popular ... seeing more using it/talking about it.Aug 14 08:51
schestowitzwell, I can only vouch for tuxmachines and techrightsAug 14 08:51
oiaohmIf IBM called themselves a bank they would have to have regulation so could do be as big of a loan shark as they are.Aug 14 08:52
schestowitzI don't write often in my personal site, which also has many RSS feedsAug 14 08:52
Mogzagainyes, really important to safeguard RSS/find a way to keep it goingAug 14 08:52
schestowitzfrom here it looks like RsS adoption grows, but we cover tech stuff, read by more technical peopleAug 14 08:52
oiaohmBasically IBM really is a loan shark with a properity baron at core.Aug 14 08:52
schestowitzthough RSS was NEVER widely adopted by NON-techs anywayAug 14 08:52
schestowitzit's just that they never boarded the RSS train to begin withAug 14 08:52
oiaohmIBM does a lot things to attempt to not to appear to be a loan shark/property baron.Aug 14 08:53
schestowitzoiaohm: a colleague told me this in 2012Aug 14 08:53
Mogzagainthe RSS button was off in some menu in waterfox, but have added it to main toolbar to pick up any relevant RSSAug 14 08:53
schestowitzwaterfox sold outAug 14 08:53
schestowitzit's in bed with system1Aug 14 08:53
schestowitzsame company that made startpage a laughing stockAug 14 08:53
schestowitz 14 08:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Startpage - TechrightsAug 14 08:53
schestowitzmaybe you missed itAug 14 08:53
schestowitzwe broke the news last yearAug 14 08:54
Mogzagaingreat you're seeing RSS adoption grow. That was definitely my impression, noticing different vids/articles etc where ppl are increasingly saying about RSSAug 14 08:54
schestowitzyoutube makes it hard to find rss feedsAug 14 08:54
schestowitzbut they still existAug 14 08:54
schestowitzif you're good at URI/URL 'hacking'Aug 14 08:54
Mogzagainonce you find RSS, it's so cool being able to collate all links in one place and not even have to go onlineAug 14 08:54
schestowitzor load up bloated pagesAug 14 08:54
schestowitzor JSAug 14 08:54
schestowitzor CSS, if the summary in feeds isn't just some linkAug 14 08:55
Mogzagainyes, waterfox have; disgusting, and not sure what else to do ... brave? but that has dodgy stuff going on tooAug 14 08:55
schestowitzno disractions like "also read" and site banners, just the signalAug 14 08:55
schestowitzbrave has its own issuesAug 14 08:55
schestowitznow I use Falkon and QupzillaAug 14 08:55
schestowitzin Falkon they made DDG the defaultAug 14 08:55
schestowitznobody is perfectAug 14 08:55
schestowitzI don't need to use that crapAug 14 08:55
oiaohmSome counttries have quite high RSS usage.   But that is because the government uses it for things that their population needs to find out about not to be fined and the like.Aug 14 08:56
MogzagainI found yesterday that liferea brings in YT link, but it was horrible going onto a YT page to get that, for the first time in a couple of yearsAug 14 08:56
Mogzagainyes, avoiding JS/bloat etc is awesome tooAug 14 08:56
schestowitzyoutube became awfulAug 14 08:56
schestowitzwould not support many browsers anymoreAug 14 08:56
schestowitzlike qupzillaAug 14 08:57
schestowitzand need JSAug 14 08:57
schestowitzamong other crapAug 14 08:57
MogzagainI'll look at Falkon and Qupzilla ... thanks!Aug 14 08:57
schestowitzbut that's the direction www/gafam/w3c is going inAug 14 08:57
Mogzagainexcept DDG ... I'm using searxAug 14 08:57
schestowitzmore drm coming soon to android/youtubeAug 14 08:57
schestowitzI use searx alsoAug 14 08:57
MogzagainHave to remove a lot of search options from wfox, and add searx, at the moAug 14 08:57
schestowitzqupzilla is for older distrosAug 14 08:57
schestowitzwhere the maintainer still uses the old buildAug 14 08:57
schestowitzon two laptops i use qupzillaAug 14 08:58
schestowitzfalkon on the buster machineAug 14 08:58
Mogzagainyes, worrying about how restricted access to web stuff could getAug 14 08:58
Mogzagainyes, searx is really goodAug 14 08:58
schestowitzwe can build fallbacksAug 14 08:58
schestowitzthat's the easier partAug 14 08:58
schestowitzgetting people to use them or defect to them is the hard partAug 14 08:59
schestowitzand we need more advocates towards itAug 14 08:59
schestowitzgnu/linux usage is growing worldwideAug 14 08:59
schestowitznot that the general media takes noteAug 14 08:59
schestowitzbusy talking about the latest trump "tweet"Aug 14 08:59
MogzagainI keep watching Luke Smith with his news in the terminal etc too, lol, while not being any good at code or code-looking stuffAug 14 08:59
Mogzagainbuild it and they will come, we'd hopeAug 14 08:59
Mogzagainyes, big jump this year for linux usageAug 14 09:00
schestowitzThis is from yesterday 14 09:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Software in the Command Line | Tux MachinesAug 14 09:00
schestowitzsee the videoAug 14 09:00
schestowitzhe's like me, it's a new videoAug 14 09:00
schestowitzI read most news from my text editor, KateAug 14 09:00
MogzagainI'm sure ppl gravitate to what is privacy-respecting; nobody likes strangers bossing them or abusing their rights, ultimatelyAug 14 09:00
schestowitzI also post to social control media from kateAug 14 09:00
schestowitzwrote some scripts to help me do thatAug 14 09:01
schestowitzbrbAug 14 09:01
schestowitzI need to hand over to a colleagueAug 14 09:01
schestowitzthen I'm off work till monday nightAug 14 09:01
Mogzagaindefinitely looking into more terminal/offline stuffAug 14 09:01
Mogzagainthanks for linkAug 14 09:01
Mogzagainsounds great re scripts. Aug 14 09:02
Mogzagaingotta go too. good to chat. Have a great weekend. Aug 14 09:02
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psydreadI've turned many of my relatives into gnu/linux users, not in the least because the spyware OS their machines originally came with had made those unusableAug 14 09:03
schestowitzre COCsAug 14 09:06
schestowitzFun with J Veitch (not real quotes)Aug 14 09:06
schestowitzcannot post these publicly due to bad language :-)Aug 14 09:06
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oiaohmThe biggest thing I noticed changing releations to Linux was the reduced calls about printer issues.Aug 14 09:11
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psydreadbecause having printer drivers in kernel space is a stupid idea? I agreeAug 14 10:28
oiaohmpsydread: windows printer drivers are in fact userspace.Aug 14 10:43
oiaohmBut there is still a long list of ways to screw up the implementation.Aug 14 10:43
schestowitzoiaohm: fewer people print thingsAug 14 10:45
schestowitzthey take it on their "smart" shitAug 14 10:45
schestowitzand then present screens or beam over things (barcodes, bluetooth etc.)Aug 14 10:46
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oiaohmschestowitz: windows manages to have issues from printer drivers even if you don't print anything.Aug 14 11:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Bill Gates advocates for stopping end-to-end encryption (to tackle "misinformation")Aug 14 16:30
schestowitzwhat is known about this site?  is it legitimate?Aug 14 16:30
oiaohmschestowitz: I would not use that site as a source but the site they reference.  "I personally believe government should not allow those types of lies or fraud or child pornography [to be hidden with encryption like WhatsApp or Facebook Messenger]."  That a section of a direct quote out a interview.Aug 14 16:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bill Gates on Covid: Most US Tests Are ‘Completely Garbage’ | WIREDAug 14 16:38
MinceRyou must give up your human rights because child pornography exists.Aug 14 16:39
oiaohmAt times encryption could be critical.Aug 14 16:41
schestowitzfor one thing, for govs and banksAug 14 16:42
schestowitzoiaohm: thanks for highlighting the issueAug 14 16:42
schestowitzsometimes asked me about itAug 14 16:42
schestowitzinteresting he mentioned CPAug 14 16:42
schestowitzas if he's all against itAug 14 16:43
schestowitzEpstein comes to mindAug 14 16:43
schestowitzNever mind JonesAug 14 16:43
schestowitzhe might argue he did not know about JonesAug 14 16:43
schestowitzBut he knew what Epstein had doneAug 14 16:43
schestowitzthought I don't want to link, he would have his BS boostedAug 14 16:43
schestowitzConde Nast still worship this thugAug 14 16:44
schestowitzsome of their sites receive money from him and MicrosoftAug 14 16:44
oiaohmschestowitz: recliamthenet most of thier write-up are fair options off what ever articles they are based off.   The issue is sometimes their source material is not solid.Aug 14 16:44
oiaohmYes they always include a link to the source material.Aug 14 16:44
oiaohmbasically you can think of recliamthenet as in wikipedia class of quality.  Not to be 100 percent dismissed out of hand but not to be 100 percent straight up trusted.Aug 14 16:46
schestowitzMy experience with that site was positiveAug 14 16:46
schestowitzthey defended some good thingsAug 14 16:46
schestowitzcondemned the LF when it deserved itAug 14 16:46
schestowitzIIRC, also defended RMSAug 14 16:46
schestowitzThat headline from them, is it misleading?Aug 14 16:46
oiaohmNot really not when you look at what bill gates said he was anti encryption in message clients using end to end.Aug 14 16:47
oiaohmAs I said fair option based on what was said.Aug 14 16:47
oiaohmOf course bill gates has some of his own money bias to have WhatsApp and Facebook Message to get extra government involvement to make them have regulator problems.Aug 14 16:48
oiaohmNot sure if Bill Gates is truly anti end to end encryption but he want at least to make its competitions life harder.Aug 14 16:49
schestowitzok, anyhowAug 14 16:49
schestowitzI take that to mean misleading headline, somewhat...Aug 14 16:50
schestowitzand will move on..Aug 14 16:50
schestowitzI am trying to think of the next topics to coverAug 14 16:50
schestowitzit's my weekend off workAug 14 16:50
oiaohmAlso the anti-vaccine stuff its not companies Gates owns providing most of the tests to the USA either.Aug 14 16:51
oiaohmOppsAug 14 16:51
oiaohmAnti-test stuff.Aug 14 16:51
schestowitzI think Ariadne will have time to work on the site (she said so a week back)Aug 14 16:51
oiaohmSo both articals are picking out items that Gates has money reasons to say what he is.   Gates possible conflits of interest are not mentioned in the wired interview at all.Aug 14 16:52
schestowitzwhy would they/Aug 14 16:52
schestowitzthey get rhe billness on for blind worshipAug 14 16:52
schestowitznot for hard queriesAug 14 16:52
oiaohmI am use to Australia reporting laws where you don't mention conflict of interests the government gets to fine as a profit making move for the government.Aug 14 16:53
schestowitzyeahAug 14 16:56
schestowitzanyhooooo...Aug 14 16:56
schestowitzI think I will skip that one as possible storyAug 14 16:56
schestowitzlots of other things to cover anywayAug 14 16:57
oiaohmMore correct was bill gates go after commercial end to end encryption chat clients in interview.Aug 14 16:57
oiaohmBut its normal for lots write up to use a broad as possible titles.Aug 14 16:58
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oiaohmschestowitz: I would kind of agree with skip for now as possible story.  I would suggest you keep the linked to the wired write up.   If you end up with multi interviews from Bill Gates saying the same kinds of thing then you will have a solid story.Aug 14 17:00
schestowitzabout CP and crypto...Aug 14 17:03
schestowitzhe doesn't like criticsAug 14 17:03
schestowitzthen he paints them ALL as crazyAug 14 17:03
oiaohmmy brain is thinking CP as copy.Aug 14 17:03
oiaohmand I know that not right.Aug 14 17:03
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | You Just Know Somebody is in a State of Retreat When the Strategy Becomes to Discredit One’s Critics (or Collectively Paint Them All as Wrong/Crazy) | TechrightsAug 14 17:03
schestowitzchild porn = cpAug 14 17:04
schestowitzcp -R /home/rick/cp /home/billg/cpAug 14 17:04
oiaohmYes child porn,  revenge porn, Terriorism and fake news the 4 common anti end to end encryption stuff that turns up. Aug 14 17:06
oiaohmThe bill gates interview does 2 out of 4.Aug 14 17:06
oiaohmThere are some anti encryption interviews that manage to hit all 4.Aug 14 17:07
schestowitzoiaohm: I will look up old articles about his support of nsaAug 14 17:09
schestowitz 14 17:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bill Gates Says Snowden Is No Hero – TechCrunchAug 14 17:10
schestowitz 14 17:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft and Bill Gates Are Still Defending What’s Criminal (Warrantless Mass Surveillance) | TechrightsAug 14 17:13
oiaohmBill Gates doing this anti privacy stuff is not new.Aug 14 17:15
MinceR14 174303 < schestowitz> as if he's all against itAug 14 17:16
MinceRas usual, he's trying to pose as the savior from something he actually supportsAug 14 17:16
MinceRlike spam, beforeAug 14 17:17
schestowitzyesAug 14 17:23
schestowitzwait, I am doing a piece about itAug 14 17:24
schestowitzI take another approachAug 14 17:24
schestowitzwant to read the draft to help out and suggest additions?Aug 14 17:24
MinceRi should work todayAug 14 17:35
schestowitzonly fools and horses..Aug 14 17:37
schestowitzthis will be a good article...Aug 14 17:42
schestowitzstill working on itAug 14 17:42
MinceRyeah, i knowAug 14 17:43
schestowitzThat phrase is hardly used anymoreAug 14 17:45
schestowitzanyway, I did my three in a row 1-9am shiftsAug 14 17:46
schestowitzfree until monday nowAug 14 17:46
schestowitzMinceR: wanna read?Aug 14 18:17
MinceRyeahAug 14 18:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | High-Level Criminals Associate Privacy With Crime Because They Want Privacy Only for Themselves (Control But No Accountability) | TechrightsAug 14 18:21
schestowitzhopefully not many typos, MinceR, I am reading this also right nowAug 14 18:21
MinceRbillionnaire -> billionaireAug 14 18:22
schestowitzI can't see it in the pageAug 14 18:23
MinceRnvm, that's not your textAug 14 18:23
MinceRit was in a screenshotAug 14 18:23
schestowitzah, okAug 14 18:23
MinceRbut i couldn't tell it was because the background was so similarAug 14 18:24
schestowitzI see...Aug 14 18:31
schestowitzi found about 5 typosAug 14 18:31
DaemonFC[m]The funny part is all the criminals who took away privacy and then got caught by their own web.Aug 14 18:36
DaemonFC[m]Guess how the Ohio Speaker of the House was arrested and Mike Madigan got caught in the same scandal and might not be Speaker in Illinois much longer.Aug 14 18:36
DaemonFC[m]People leave a paper trail a mile long, only instead of passing notes back and forth, I'm betting they actually openly discussed the kickbacks and bribes and such openly.Aug 14 18:37
DaemonFC[m]Everyone's doing something if you look closely enough, and all this technology preserves the evidence for all time.Aug 14 18:38
MinceRprivitisation -> privatisationAug 14 18:38
Ariadneschestowitz: depends on if I spend my weekend dealing with my shit family (:Aug 14 18:38
Ariadnebut yes probably sundayAug 14 18:38
DaemonFC[m]I kind of wish Tor would make the security slider part of the interface.Aug 14 18:39
psydreadI get to experience the wonders of the world of DRM now that I am on OpenBSDAug 14 18:39
DaemonFC[m]Most of the vulnerabilities in "Tor" are actually in the Firefox browser, and most of them become useless when you turn Active Content off.Aug 14 18:40
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: do you see typos above?Aug 14 18:40
schestowitz[18:21] <schestowitz> 14 18:40
schestowitzAriadne: no probs, if we postpone furtherAug 14 18:40
DaemonFC[m]I haven't seen the government admit to any attacks that don't involve media codecs, Flash, or JavaScript over the years.Aug 14 18:40
DaemonFC[m]They had an actual child pornographer. Not just distributor....A producer.Aug 14 18:41
schestowitzMinceR: thanks, my spellchecker doesn't like British spellingAug 14 18:41
DaemonFC[m]They dismissed all charges rather than admit how they caught him. So that one might be in Tor itself somewhere and who knows if it was ever independently discovered and patched. Aug 14 18:41
schestowitzso I ignore the underline on that word :-)Aug 14 18:41
schestowitzfixed nowAug 14 18:41
MinceR:)Aug 14 18:41
DaemonFC[m]Whatever it is, they didn't think it was worth releasing to convict that guy, so he got lucky. Real lucky.Aug 14 18:42
schestowitz2 mins ago: vAug 14 18:42
schestowitzvAug 14 18:42
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | OK, Melinda… | TechrightsAug 14 18:42
Ariadneright now I'm working on a strategy to use the Dutch American friendship treaty to GTFO of the USAug 14 18:43
schestowitzI never heard of itAug 14 18:44
MinceRschestowitz: i haven't found any other errorsAug 14 18:44
Ariadneit's pretty great you can basically just buy a visaAug 14 18:44
schestowitzMinceR: thanks for the helpAug 14 18:44
MinceRnpAug 14 18:44
schestowitzsame for portugalAug 14 18:44
schestowitzAriadne: techrights wrote some articles about itAug 14 18:44
Ariadneless than 10k euro all inAug 14 18:44
schestowitzit's called all sorts of thingsAug 14 18:44
schestowitzI can hardly think of Dutchmen wanting to move to the US right nowAug 14 18:45
schestowitzunless they like orange man and orange virusesAug 14 18:45
Ariadneright now, no.  butAug 14 18:45
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Sorry, reading.Aug 14 18:45
DaemonFC[m]The cops are here.Aug 14 18:45
AriadneI would like to leave :)Aug 14 18:45
schestowitzAriadne: i would too if I were youAug 14 18:45
schestowitzmy other sysadmin left the us Aug 14 18:46
AriadneI got teargassed last night for just driving by where they were protestingAug 14 18:46
schestowitzmoved to europeAug 14 18:46
Ariadnep coolAug 14 18:46
DaemonFC[m]Ariadne: You should have had a much more respectable father.Aug 14 18:46
Ariadnehuh ?Aug 14 18:47
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: do you know each other?Aug 14 18:48
Ariadneand like I wasn't even driving by to see the protest or anything I was just looking for the highway to get back to my hidey holeAug 14 18:48
DaemonFC[m]No, but remember when Obama killed that American teenager in a drone strike.Aug 14 18:48
DaemonFC[m]Then said he should have had a better dad.Aug 14 18:48
DaemonFC[m]It was a dark joke. ;)Aug 14 18:48
AriadneI'm thinking moving techrights infrastructure out of the US is a good plan tooAug 14 18:48
Ariadneyeah Obama sucks tooAug 14 18:49
MinceRlolAug 14 18:49
AriadneI'm not about this Biden/cop 2020 shitAug 14 18:49
Ariadnefuck thatAug 14 18:49
MinceRseems to me one does not achieve success in politics by being a decent, honest personAug 14 18:49
Ariadne"but she's black"Aug 14 18:49
DaemonFC[m]I'll vote for Biden because he isn't Trump. it seems we may have hit rock bottom.Aug 14 18:49
MinceRit's a playing field for sociopathsAug 14 18:49
Ariadnewho fucking cares she had no problem locking up millions of black people in caliAug 14 18:49
DaemonFC[m]Biden is 10 points ahead for not being Trump.Aug 14 18:49
DaemonFC[m]This is the worst election ever.Aug 14 18:50
AriadneyeahAug 14 18:50
Ariadnethat's why I am likeAug 14 18:50
schestowitz[18:48] <Ariadne> I'm thinking moving techrights infrastructure out of the US is a good plan tooAug 14 18:50
Ariadnefuck this I'm outAug 14 18:50
schestowitzit would be more urgent if it was a very political siteAug 14 18:50
schestowitzwe actually publish EPO (Europe) leaks the mostAug 14 18:50
DaemonFC[m]It's never a bad idea to move your stuff outside the US.Aug 14 18:50
Ariadnehumm yeahAug 14 18:51
AriadneEPO leaks is problematicAug 14 18:51
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I've been using my @vivaldi email more often because at least it's hosted in Norway.Aug 14 18:51
AriadneUS probably best for now thenAug 14 18:51
schestowitzAriadne: it is lawfulAug 14 18:51
MinceRdoes that matter?Aug 14 18:51
schestowitzyesAug 14 18:51
schestowitzbecause otherwise you can get legal hassleAug 14 18:51
DaemonFC[m]I'm certain it's not as bad as GMail, but that isn't saying a lot I know.Aug 14 18:51
MinceRthere doesn't seem to be rule of law in the EUAug 14 18:51
schestowitzthey just tried to intimidate me to remove a postAug 14 18:51
Ariadnewhat indymedia were doing in UK was lawful but they still came and seized several machines (ahimsa incident)Aug 14 18:51
schestowitzwhich I did temporarily, reinstated later (lawyers and all)Aug 14 18:52
DaemonFC[m]Google is db in America and builds in automatic back doors and MUST comply with warrants or they lose their business to "antitrust investigations" that pop up all of a sudden.Aug 14 18:52
Ariadnein the US they can't do that :)Aug 14 18:52
DaemonFC[m]From an administration that doesn't care about monopolies. How does that work?Aug 14 18:52
Ariadnethe US don't give a flying fuck about what some EPO goon has to sayAug 14 18:52
DaemonFC[m]Oh yes they do.Aug 14 18:52
DaemonFC[m]It's a corrupt bargain.Aug 14 18:53
DaemonFC[m]If we enforce theirs, they'll recognize ours.Aug 14 18:53
Ariadneyes there is MLAT treatiesAug 14 18:53
Ariadnebut still bigger pain in the assAug 14 18:53
DaemonFC[m]So it's a system where everyone scratches each other's back and then goes out looking to approve the worst patents they can to have a lot of them registered to their corporations.Aug 14 18:53
DaemonFC[m]“I’m involved with climate change, GMOs, and vaccines.” -Bill GatesAug 14 18:54
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Most of his ideas would not work and are up there with that gigantic multi-decade waste of money to try to figure out how to make hurricanes fall apart with cloud seeding.Aug 14 18:55
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DaemonFC[m]It's a giant smoke screen. Oh yeah, we'll do horrendous damage, but we'll figure out how to fix it with lasers and shit 30 years from now. Don't worry.Aug 14 18:55
MinceR:>Aug 14 18:56
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DaemonFC[m]Bill Gates is funding medical experiments that border on vivisectioning living people, and nobody cares because they're black and in some other country. He has all the moral fiber of Jack the Ripper.Aug 14 18:57
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MinceRat least Jack the Ripper didn't try to kill off the IT industryAug 14 18:58
DaemonFC[m]The media is providing excuses for experimenting on poor black people. They claim it's necessary because we "wouldn't want to under-represent them and get a vaccine that only works well if you're white".Aug 14 18:59
DaemonFC[m]Aren't these the same people who swear up and down that the racial differences between humans is literally skin deep?Aug 14 18:59
DaemonFC[m]Why would a vaccine be like 80% effective on white people and 20% on blacks if that was true?Aug 14 19:00
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DaemonFC[m]They turn unethical experiments into social justice by saying we can't under-represent people who would be marginalized if we tested the vaccine on white people.Aug 14 19:00
DaemonFC[m]Either there are substantial differences between races and that's why a vaccine might not work well on one and might work very well on others, in which case we've been lied to by the PC bullshitters, -or- they're just saying that in order to justify cruel medical experiments where they don't want to risk white people dying. In which case, Gates is undeniably subscribing to eugenics and experimenting on blacks as anAug 14 19:02
DaemonFC[m]inferior race.Aug 14 19:02
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DaemonFC[m]“I personally believe government should not allow those types of lies or fraud or child pornography [to be hidden with encryption like WhatsApp or Facebook Messenger].”Aug 14 19:04
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DaemonFC[m]If the government gets a warrant and then raids one person or the other, they have a copy of it. Also, the Prisoner Dilemma.Aug 14 19:05
DaemonFC[m]Whoever sells the other one out first gets a better deal.Aug 14 19:05
DaemonFC[m]So it'll happen even though if they both keep their mouth shut, the case could fall apart.Aug 14 19:05
MinceRthere are some medical differencesAug 14 19:05
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MinceRand so yeah, they'd need to test on white people as wellAug 14 19:06
DaemonFC[m]Logically, if the police can't do much if neither suspect talks, one or both will talk.Aug 14 19:06
DaemonFC[m]Either trying to save their own skin before the other one talks and gets the deal, or because they'll be broken down under interrogation and start talking.Aug 14 19:07
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DaemonFC[m]We don't know what happened to Wong. It's possible that he flipped on Jones and they let him off with a warning or something because he cooperated.Aug 14 19:08
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DaemonFC[m]Wong probably had a better defense if the state can't prove that he asked Jones for CP.Aug 14 19:08
DaemonFC[m]In Illinois, it's not illegal to unwittingly view child pornography as long as you didn't ask for it and delete it immediately. However, there is no such defense under federal law.Aug 14 19:09
DaemonFC[m]So the state charges might go away, but using the defense might get you destruction of evidence and obstruction of justice in a federal court.Aug 14 19:10
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DaemonFC[m]So being sent a file like that is a sticky bomb.Aug 14 19:11
DaemonFC[m]If you don't delete it right away, you face state charges for child porn. If you do delete it right away, you could end up in federal court on completely new charges for evidence tampering and obstruction..Aug 14 19:12
DaemonFC[m]It's a matter of whether the US Attorney's office feels like going after you or not.Aug 14 19:12
DaemonFC[m]Deleting the file and saving yourself from the state is probably safer.Aug 14 19:13
DaemonFC[m]The most the feds can get on obstruction and evidence tampering is usually like 2-3 years, and maybe under supervision, and they aren't sex crimes.Aug 14 19:13
DaemonFC[m]By leaving yourself open to the state crimes, you get slimed with something that never stops.Aug 14 19:14
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DaemonFC[m]I can't imagine how a guy like Jeff Epstein even thinks.Aug 14 19:17
DaemonFC[m]If he had just thrown money at 18 year olds or something, the most they ever would have had him on were some misdemeanors, which you say a few hail marys and you're done cleaning up that mess.Aug 14 19:18
DaemonFC[m](Soliciting a prostitute, pandering, etc.)Aug 14 19:18
DaemonFC[m]That's how the law works. The difference between Jeff Epstein being a sicko who needs to be shot and a guy that throws a couple hundred bucks at a prostitute and nobody even cares is a matter of 12-24 months in age in most of his cases.Aug 14 19:20
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DaemonFC[m]But the law is the law, and unless you want to find that out the hard way, you just stick to 18 year olds with a daddy fetish.Aug 14 19:21
DaemonFC[m]Well, the sex with minors laws in most states are pretty bad. Like, if they catch you the law comes down on top of you like a piano being dropped from a 10 story building. Aug 14 19:22
DaemonFC[m]It's better to be charged with actually murdering someone sometimes.Aug 14 19:22
DaemonFC[m]I've never seen someone get a 10,756 year prison sentence for murder.Aug 14 19:23
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: But they save those "We're going to make an example out of you!" cases for paupers.Aug 14 19:23
DaemonFC[m]Rick Jones got a sweetheart deal that was the "We found a CP dungeon." version of Affluenza Teen.Aug 14 19:24
Ariadne[11:57] <8e55e9DaemonFC[m]> Bill Gates is funding medical experiments that border on vivisectioning living people, and nobody cares because they're black and in some other country. He has all the moral fiber of Jack the Ripper.Aug 14 19:24
Ariadnecan you elaborate on these experimentsAug 14 19:24
Ariadnebecause that's kinda getting into qanon territoryAug 14 19:24
schestowitz[19:00] <DaemonFC[m]> They turn unethical experiments into social justice by saying we can't under-represent people who would be marginalized if we tested the vaccine on white people.Aug 14 19:25
schestowitzbingo.Aug 14 19:25
Ariadneok, what experiments thoughAug 14 19:25
DaemonFC[m]They tested those AIDS vaccines on blacks in Africa and Asians in Thailand.Aug 14 19:25
Ariadneand coronavirus vaccine seems unlikely anywayAug 14 19:25
DaemonFC[m]They had absolutely no idea what those would do either.Aug 14 19:25
AriadneohAug 14 19:26
DaemonFC[m]They see them as trash people who are a dime a dozen.Aug 14 19:26
DaemonFC[m]And this Coronavirus vaccine from the Russians is being tested in the Philippines.Aug 14 19:26
Ariadnewell you have to test vaccines somehowAug 14 19:26
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, VOLUNTEERS.Aug 14 19:26
Ariadneas long as the participants know the risks I don't see how it is a problemAug 14 19:26
DaemonFC[m]They'd have to pay people here a substantial amount of money to have that stuff injected into them.Aug 14 19:27
Ariadneno they wouldn'tAug 14 19:27
schestowitz[19:24] <Ariadne> because that's kinda getting into qanon territoryAug 14 19:27
schestowitzAs they would wantAug 14 19:27
AriadneI know several people who are in a vaccine trialAug 14 19:27
Ariadnefor covidAug 14 19:27
Ariadneand they are doing it for freeAug 14 19:27
schestowitz"qanon" is now used to diffuse and obfuscateAug 14 19:27
DaemonFC[m]You do the AIDS vaccine study here, you could get a liability waiver signed, but typical compensation runs into like $4,000-5,000 per volunteer.Aug 14 19:27
AriadneI would take the aids vaccine for freeAug 14 19:28
DaemonFC[m]So you can experiment on like hundreds of people in South Africa for that.Aug 14 19:28
schestowitzthey test second trimester abortions in Niger. They = GatesesAug 14 19:28
Ariadnebeats having to take this PrEP stuff every dayAug 14 19:28
DaemonFC[m]I hate PrEP.Aug 14 19:28
schestowitzvery controversial techniques.Aug 14 19:28
DaemonFC[m]It makes your hair fall out.Aug 14 19:28
Ariadnewe do second trimester abortions here in the USAug 14 19:28
schestowitzThey also test FDA-rejected drugs around thereAug 14 19:28
AriadneDaemonFC[m]: my hair is doing fineAug 14 19:29
DaemonFC[m]They tested PrEP on people in Africa too.Aug 14 19:29
DaemonFC[m]Of course, they had an excuse for that I suppose.Aug 14 19:29
schestowitzAriadne: not using that techniqueAug 14 19:29
schestowitzit's bannedAug 14 19:29
DaemonFC[m]HIV is so bad in parts of Africa that like 30-40% have it.Aug 14 19:29
Ariadneas a sexually promiscuous trans person I would prefer to not acquire itAug 14 19:29
DaemonFC[m]If you want to establish how long it takes someone to get HIV under those circumstances, you won't wait long to know. Aug 14 19:30
Ariadneso I would happily participate in a vaccine trialAug 14 19:30
DaemonFC[m]The "best" you'll do in the US for high HIV rates are where there's many black and latino people.Aug 14 19:30
DaemonFC[m]So, you know, like DC where it's almost 3%.Aug 14 19:30
Ariadneyeah, they blame LGBT community for HIV in the US but it's really mainly needle sharingAug 14 19:30
DaemonFC[m]In much of the south. St. Louis, Chicago, Gary, Indiana.Aug 14 19:31
Ariadnealways has beenAug 14 19:31
DaemonFC[m]Well, direct route into the bloodstream.Aug 14 19:31
DaemonFC[m]Also, following around LGBT and blaming them for sex is not necessarily straightforward either.Aug 14 19:31
Ariadnebut at straight swinger parties people do same shit with needlesAug 14 19:31
DaemonFC[m]Even the medical community says that LGBT are addicted to drugs at over twice the rate of the general population.Aug 14 19:31
DaemonFC[m]So, how much of it is the drugs? Aug 14 19:32
DaemonFC[m]There's heroin needles on the ground sometimes where I live.Aug 14 19:32
DaemonFC[m]You have to watch out for them.Aug 14 19:32
Ariadneit is predominantly drug useAug 14 19:32
DaemonFC[m]Someone stayed here for a night and complained they found drug needles in their bed. The "maid" tossed the sheets on top of the needles.Aug 14 19:33
schestowitzso I heardAug 14 19:33
schestowitz(to Ariadne)Aug 14 19:33
schestowitzbut it's not fashionable to blame drug addictsAug 14 19:33
Ariadneanyway point being there are plenty of people like me in the US who would gladly do an aids vax studyAug 14 19:33
DaemonFC[m]Well, you know, Chicago had a much much bigger problem with HIV before the needle swap programs.Aug 14 19:33
schestowitzor poor hospital sanitationAug 14 19:34
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "but it's not fashionable to blam"> Scott County, Indiana.Aug 14 19:34
DaemonFC[m]Worst HIV outbreak since the 1980s. All heroin addicts. Whites mostly.Aug 14 19:34
DaemonFC[m]2013 iirc?Aug 14 19:34
DaemonFC[m]Mike Pence said he'd go pray about it.Aug 14 19:34
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Ariadnebut my preferences and relationships carry higher exposure risk to aids and other stiAug 14 19:35
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DaemonFC[m]I sent him a letter telling him to go sit on his thumb. Same success rate.Aug 14 19:35
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DaemonFC[m]Well, the facts of the matter are that we started to get a handle on HIV's R0 when everyone remembered how horrific the 1980s were.Aug 14 19:36
DaemonFC[m]Now this new generation wants to skip the condoms and the whole PrEP talk about "Use condoms because there's other stuff out there!" goes in one ear and out the other.Aug 14 19:36
schestowitz[19:34] <DaemonFC[m]> Mike Pence said he'd go pray about it.Aug 14 19:36
schestowitzSock therapy cured HIVAug 14 19:37
schestowitzhehAug 14 19:37
DaemonFC[m]So we're dealing with a collapse in HIV R0, but other STIs are having the time of their litttle microbe lives.Aug 14 19:37
schestowitzShockAug 14 19:37
schestowitzbut sock is a funny typoAug 14 19:37
schestowitzsock therapyAug 14 19:37
schestowitzbeat up the patients with socksAug 14 19:37
schestowitzand off goes the virusAug 14 19:37
DaemonFC[m]Doctor's can't control what their patients do once they get home.Aug 14 19:37
DaemonFC[m]So they presume that everyone on PrEP will get the clap or something eventually.Aug 14 19:37
DaemonFC[m]So testing for stuff you probably won't get every 3 months isn't even optional.Aug 14 19:37
Ariadnemy doctor does not require thatAug 14 19:38
DaemonFC[m]They'll just stop giving you PrEP if you demand to stop being tested for everything else, and the $600-700 lab bills that go with it.Aug 14 19:38
DaemonFC[m]They're doing a lot of damage to people who have to dig deep to be on PrEP because of this.Aug 14 19:38
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Ariadnebut I discussed in detail my concerns and risk factorsAug 14 19:38
Ariadnein my case, yes, I do not always use condoms, but only with stable partnersAug 14 19:39
Ariadnemy desire to use PrEP is more of a "what if the condom breaks with someone new"Aug 14 19:39
DaemonFC[m]Well, neither Northwestern Medicine nor the Lake County Health Department will let anyone be on PrEP without having tests for a bunch of shit that they're almost certainly not going to get.Aug 14 19:39
Ariadneif I get the clap, fine, I can deal with that.Aug 14 19:40
DaemonFC[m]They assume that everyone is a Truvada Whore themselves, so how can they tell others to knock off the stigma?Aug 14 19:40
Ariadnebut HIV is foreverAug 14 19:40
*schestowitz does not know what clap and prep areAug 14 19:40
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: The clap is gonorrhea. Aug 14 19:40
schestowitzahAug 14 19:40
DaemonFC[m]It's a slang term.Aug 14 19:40
DaemonFC[m]John's probably had it so much it's the applause.Aug 14 19:40
schestowitzlolAug 14 19:40
AriadneDaemonFC[m]: yeah a lot of docs assume if you're on prep you're going down to the bathhouse and taking 20 dicks in a weekend tho Aug 14 19:41
Ariadneit's trueAug 14 19:41
Ariadnei went to a bathhouse once out of curiosity, mostly creepy old men who are not my typeAug 14 19:41
Ariadnehard pass tbhAug 14 19:41
DaemonFC[m]I stay out of those establishments. Aug 14 19:41
Ariadnenothing for me thereAug 14 19:42
AriadneI don't have a grandpa fetishAug 14 19:42
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, it's gross old people who get all hardwired when the occasional teenager walks in because he either doesn't know what it is or wants money.Aug 14 19:42
DaemonFC[m]Plus, the one in Chicago wants you to do things involving an app. Aug 14 19:43
DaemonFC[m]So they know, you know, you're renting a room, you're using your credit card so the bank and Facebook and Google, and the government know whatever you pay for on there.Aug 14 19:43
Ariadnethe one in Providence (30 min outside Boston) you just walk in and drop down some cashAug 14 19:43
DaemonFC[m]Like, people go there wanting privacy, I'd imagine, but there's an app that leaves digital evidence of whatever you pay for in there.Aug 14 19:44
Ariadneor at least that is how it was a decade agoAug 14 19:44
DaemonFC[m]I like Chicago, and I hate Chicago. Aug 14 19:44
Ariadnewhen I was some idiotic person who wanted to know if it was as bad as they say it isAug 14 19:45
DaemonFC[m]It's not really surprising to me that it's like apartheid in South Africa there. Aug 14 19:45
DaemonFC[m]It's got all of the problems of apartheid. A lot of rich white assholes who set up this emerald city for themselves.Aug 14 19:45
DaemonFC[m]Then on the outer rings, complete ghetto. Non-stop. Aug 14 19:45
DaemonFC[m]Things finally came to a head because of the virus and because their mayor can't really seem to handle her job and the conflict.Aug 14 19:46
Ariadnebut yes, most "gay" establishments do not cater to the type of males I find attractiveAug 14 19:46
DaemonFC[m]Chicago has an entire gay neighborhood.Aug 14 19:46
DaemonFC[m]Like, the size of an entire city. People who have money and can get out of other parts of the Midwest move there.Aug 14 19:47
AriadneyeahAug 14 19:47
Ariadnesame with denverAug 14 19:47
Ariadnemy point is that "gay" establishments usually have grandpa on offer and advertise muscular buff menAug 14 19:48
Ariadneneither of which are what I'm going for reallyAug 14 19:48
DaemonFC[m]I don't really know what will become of Chicago or Illinois, because of the fiscal problems and the fact that the entire state is on life support using "lender of last resort" funding to keep basic operations going.Aug 14 19:48
DaemonFC[m]I'd imagine that with the good jobs having mass layoffs, like schestowitz pointed out....Aug 14 19:48
DaemonFC[m]Nothing good.Aug 14 19:49
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft has its midwest headquarters down in Downer's Grove. Aug 14 19:49
DaemonFC[m]I haven't seen any WARN Act notices involving their Illinois office.Aug 14 19:49
AriadneMicrosoft have two Midwest campusesAug 14 19:49
Ariadnethe other is in TulsaAug 14 19:50
Ariadnewhich is where their joke of a SAP competitor comes fromAug 14 19:50
AriadneMicrosoft dynamics 365 CRM or whateverAug 14 19:50
AriadneI have a client who uses that, looks like the biggest pile of shit everAug 14 19:50
DaemonFC[m]I'm sure it is.Aug 14 19:51
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DaemonFC[m]Their products have always interlocked so that you can't even access them with a different web browser properly.Aug 14 19:51
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Ariadneif I ever become presidentAug 14 19:51
DaemonFC[m]IIRC, someone wrote an NTLM plug-in for Netscape Navigator a long time ago so they could use their company's LAN without IE.Aug 14 19:52
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AriadneI am going to make those stupid bathhouses illegalAug 14 19:52
Ariadnejust because fuck grandpaAug 14 19:52
DaemonFC[m]Dirty GrandpaAug 14 19:52
Ariadnein factAug 14 19:52
AriadneI am going to make dating apps illegal except for the ones which highlight softskinned sensitive gentle cuddly peopleAug 14 19:53
DaemonFC[m]The totally ghetto Chicago parts overflow into Indiana too.Aug 14 19:53
AriadnelolAug 14 19:53
AriadneIndiana sideAug 14 19:53
Ariadnethey have a rusted ass wallAug 14 19:53
Ariadnethat covers it upAug 14 19:53
DaemonFC[m]So there's a bathhouse in Hammond. Never been there either.Aug 14 19:53
Ariadnesounds like a great way to get aids from grandpaAug 14 19:54
AriadnepassAug 14 19:54
DaemonFC[m]The Indiana side is shockingly worse than the outer rings of Chicago.Aug 14 19:54
DaemonFC[m]Indiana has one commuter rail that's really more of a holdover from when the midwest, including Indiana, was more important.Aug 14 19:54
Ariadneehhh valpo isn't that badAug 14 19:54
DaemonFC[m]Sometimes it can't get up a hill because it snowed.Aug 14 19:54
MinceR14 205230 < Ariadne> just because fuck grandpaAug 14 19:55
MinceRisn't that what he wants, though? :>Aug 14 19:55
Ariadnegrandpa wants to stick his dick where it don't belongAug 14 19:55
DaemonFC[m]<Ariadne "ehhh valpo isn't that bad"> My ex, the one that shot a guy with a shotgun while he was drunk (recently), lives between Valpo and Knox, still.Aug 14 19:55
AriadneJesus you have bad relationship decisionsAug 14 19:56
DaemonFC[m]He left me because his mom was some bigwig that got him a job at an auto factory that downsized pretty soon after that. Aug 14 19:56
DaemonFC[m]That's the story on Indiana lately. If you worked at a factory, you got screwed. Also, no more factories.Aug 14 19:56
DaemonFC[m]So that's why everyone is on drugs now.Aug 14 19:56
Ariadnebut yeah, at least in Denver in the lgbtq district they have run the creepy grandpas outAug 14 19:57
DaemonFC[m]Also, they'll vote for Trump again even though they continued losing factories under Trump because he's making America great again.Aug 14 19:57
Ariadnenot so in BostonAug 14 19:57
DaemonFC[m]At least Michigan and Wisconsin aren't that fucking stupid.Aug 14 19:57
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Ariadnein Boston you see creepy grandpa's hanging out mentally undressing you, pretty creepy honestlyAug 14 19:58
DaemonFC[m]<Ariadne "not so in Boston"> It happened to every factory I ever worked in.Aug 14 19:58
DaemonFC[m]Next thing you know, it's going to Canada, or Mexico, or China.Aug 14 19:58
Ariadneoh I wasn't talking about factory closuresAug 14 19:58
AriadneMassachusetts doesn't want factories anywayAug 14 19:58
DaemonFC[m]I can't see why you would. Advanced manufacturing is still opening up, just not anywhere like Indiana, because it doesn't need lots of people who never graduated high school, much less college.Aug 14 19:59
DaemonFC[m]So California is eating them alive despite all its problems.Aug 14 19:59
DaemonFC[m]You can get away with a lot of sin if you have a good workforce, so California is ripping Indiana's guts out.Aug 14 20:00
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DaemonFC[m]For the stuff that still gets made in America.Aug 14 20:00
DaemonFC[m]That's why blue states are even still a thing at all. They were mostly smart enough to leave all of their good universities alone. Aug 14 20:01
DaemonFC[m]On an equal playing field, the Republicans would have a point. You offer less regulations and better tax codes, and all the stuff comes to you, but the reason it doesn't work in Indiana is that nobody wants fat uneducated workers who are strung out on heroin.Aug 14 20:02
Ariadnewhat I've also noticed as an lgbtq person who is adjacent to the gay community isAug 14 20:02
Ariadnea lot of these creepy grandpasAug 14 20:02
Ariadneare cheating on their wivesAug 14 20:02
Ariadne"but it's not cheating if it's gay"Aug 14 20:03
Ariadnewhatever you say broAug 14 20:03
DaemonFC[m]You can only survive so many problems with the quality of your workforce.Aug 14 20:03
Ariadnethings still get made in America ?Aug 14 20:04
Ariadnelike whatAug 14 20:04
DaemonFC[m]If the people are so fat and smoke a lot, you can't get good rates on health insurance, and they're all so strung out on drugs that they don't show up for work, you can't get anything done.Aug 14 20:04
schestowitz[19:50] <Ariadne> Microsoft dynamics 365 CRM or whateverAug 14 20:04
DaemonFC[m]At that point, whether California charges 1-2 points more on tax is irrelevant.Aug 14 20:04
schestowitzI hardly hear about it anymoreAug 14 20:04
schestowitzthey explore many things, many areasAug 14 20:04
schestowitzfew stick, just like GoogleAug 14 20:05
Ariadnedynamics is trashAug 14 20:05
DaemonFC[m]<Ariadne "like what"> There's still car parts and various things made in Indiana.Aug 14 20:05
DaemonFC[m]Those Asian import companies are now hiring more people in Indiana than the Big Three.Aug 14 20:05
schestowitzgiant squid with millimeter-thick tentacles, hoping something other than Windows will stick (for longer)Aug 14 20:05
Ariadnewindows is dying anywayAug 14 20:05
DaemonFC[m]Delco is still a thing, but have no idea for how much longer. GM and Chrysler are in the crapper and the only other big OEM that was using them is Ford. Aug 14 20:06
Ariadneoh I figured all the car parts were already made overseas by nowAug 14 20:06
DaemonFC[m]The only reason I buy Delco parts is because it's either that or some crappy discount store substitute that just blows up after a year anyway and then you're doing the same job again.Aug 14 20:06
AriadneI just have a hondaAug 14 20:07
Ariadneit never breaks downAug 14 20:07
Ariadnehad a Volvo but the CVT in it finally diedAug 14 20:07
DaemonFC[m]I've now had most of the non-metal stuff on the Impala's engine rebuilt.Aug 14 20:07
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DaemonFC[m]At 260,000 miles the reliability went down, but I have a mechanic that does good work and reasonable prices.Aug 14 20:08
DaemonFC[m]The transmission seems like it's in good shape. The CV axle shaft seals and the pan gasket were dripping.Aug 14 20:09
DaemonFC[m]I made sure the old fluid was still red before I decided whether to have them tear into that or not. :PAug 14 20:09
schestowitzwe live near town, no longer need to buy a carAug 14 20:09
schestowitz(also working from home, both of us)Aug 14 20:09
DaemonFC[m]Well, you know. Mom.... :P Some people just believe that "life time transmission fluid" bullshit.Aug 14 20:09
DaemonFC[m]Then they let it get brown, and then black, and then the transmission is dead already and just doesn't know it.Aug 14 20:10
Ariadnein my case I had new fluidAug 14 20:10
Ariadnebut the chain snappedAug 14 20:10
DaemonFC[m]Oh these GM transmissions from the 90s and 2000s aren't all that bad. They can just go and go if you service them properly.Aug 14 20:10
Ariadneoh yeah the 4L60-E is a legendAug 14 20:11
DaemonFC[m]I wouldn't go more than 60,000 miles without a service, myself.Aug 14 20:11
DaemonFC[m]The new ones are real, real bad.Aug 14 20:11
DaemonFC[m]Failure every 30,000 miles on some of them.Aug 14 20:11
Ariadnethe new ones are all cvtsAug 14 20:11
Ariadnewhat happens is the chain snapsAug 14 20:11
DaemonFC[m]That's not even enough time to get out of the warranty, much less blame the owner for going 200,000 miles on the fluid.Aug 14 20:12
Ariadneanyway the only patents I think are valid anymore are design patentsAug 14 20:12
DaemonFC[m]CVT transmissions aren't new. They developed them decades ago. The reason that they were never stupid enough to use them in passenger cars and trucks is because they're extremely weak.Aug 14 20:13
DaemonFC[m]The electro-hydrostatic ones are much better. I can't imagine there are many ways you could patent them though.Aug 14 20:15
DaemonFC[m]I mean they were in use for a very very long time by many manufacturers.Aug 14 20:15
Ariadneschestowitz: ultimately what I want to do is move techrights to arm serverAug 14 20:15
DaemonFC[m]They're also simple enough for a mechanic at an independent shop to rebuild properly.Aug 14 20:15
DaemonFC[m]You take these newer ones there, a lot of them don't know what they're doing or can't even get the kit to do the job because nobody makes them but the OEM.Aug 14 20:16
DaemonFC[m]<Ariadne "schestowitz: ultimately what I w"> I just don't know who makes processors that aren't terrible anymore.Aug 14 20:17
Ariadne[13:13] <8e55e9DaemonFC[m]> CVT transmissions aren't new. They developed them decades ago. The reason that they were never stupid enough to use them in passenger cars and trucks is because they're extremely weak.Aug 14 20:17
Ariadnealmost all cars now are sold with CVTs for past decadeAug 14 20:17
Ariadneit's sad reallyAug 14 20:17
Ariadnemy Honda can barely make it up the mountainAug 14 20:17
DaemonFC[m]Nissan put them in and had problems like this around the late 90s I think.Aug 14 20:18
DaemonFC[m]Nobody has ever designed a good one. Acceptable maybe, if you have a Toyota.Aug 14 20:18
schestowitz[20:15] <Ariadne> schestowitz: ultimately what I want to do is move techrights to arm serverAug 14 20:18
schestowitzsounds very good, we like armAug 14 20:18
schestowitzi hope nvidia does not buy itAug 14 20:19
schestowitzthat rumour or talks cooled downAug 14 20:19
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DaemonFC[m]John tried to buy a 2010 Prius with 160,000 miles on it for $11,000. I told him you're nuts if you buy that. It will only bring you tears.Aug 14 20:20
DaemonFC[m]He's not smart. We had the salesman trying to do everything you'd imagine.Aug 14 20:20
DaemonFC[m]Oh the battery's been rebuilt. I go, "All of the cells or just the bad ones? If you just replace the bad ones, you'll be back 2-3 years later.".Aug 14 20:20
MinceReCVT-s exist :>Aug 14 20:21
DaemonFC[m]He can't tell me. So I said, "Well, how much is a new Toyota battery?".Aug 14 20:21
DaemonFC[m]He goes "Eh, about $2,400.". Aug 14 20:21
MinceRalso, i though traditional automatics were still commonAug 14 20:21
DaemonFC[m]I said, "Well, we need to budget for a new battery. Plus the blue book even says you're asking $2,000 too much for this. $7,000 final offer."Aug 14 20:22
DaemonFC[m]They said no. We walked out. It sat there for months and nobody bought it.Aug 14 20:22
DaemonFC[m]They act like you're trying to steal the car from them. They gave some sap like $3,500 as a trade, and they turned down a chance to double their money.Aug 14 20:23
DaemonFC[m]Screw em.Aug 14 20:23
DaemonFC[m]You're not negotiating for some special one of a kind item that nobody will ever sell more of. It's a used car that someone got rid of, probably because of repair bills.Aug 14 20:23
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DaemonFC[m]<MinceR "also, i though traditional autom"> The Prius has a lot of technology on it, including lots of sensors, motors, wiring, special battery, two engines, and a very complicated transmission.Aug 14 20:24
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MinceRthat's an eCVTAug 14 20:25
DaemonFC[m]It doesn't age well. The first owner loves it and they get rid of it when it's a boat payment every couple months.Aug 14 20:25
MinceRand it's reputed to be highly reliableAug 14 20:25
DaemonFC[m]It is, for about 10 years and 200,000 miles.Aug 14 20:26
DaemonFC[m]That's reliable enough to make the first owner like it, and that's all they care about.Aug 14 20:26
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: The Snap store in Ubuntu is hardly actually used by people.Aug 14 20:32
DaemonFC[m]It's another boondoggle that they pour time and money into.Aug 14 20:32
DaemonFC[m]Other distributions have simply rejected it all at once because all the hype about it being distribution agnostic simply is not true. There are many parts, including the security model, that simply don't work at all on other distributions. Then there's only one store and nobody else could even figure out how Snaps work and edit the client software to point somewhere else, because the server side is proprietary.Aug 14 20:33
DaemonFC[m]Canonical has proven a few times that working collaboratively on Free Software is something that they only do as a last resort, when their go it alone custom solutions have jumped the shark and even they have to admit that they're tossing money into a pit and don't know how to move forward with it. Like the Unity debacle. Aug 14 20:36
DaemonFC[m]The move back to GNOME was something that Mark Shuttleworth announced without any enthusiasm.Aug 14 20:37
DaemonFC[m]They wasted almost a decade not improving GNOME because of Unity and now they complain that it has all of these bugs that they have to fix to do the desktop experience that they want, which would have been ironed out years sooner had they not done Unity.Aug 14 20:38
DaemonFC[m]Unfortunately, that seems to be the way bugs get fixed. Some company comes along and actually is trying to make a product out of it that they can support. Red Hat stopped caring about GNOME much some time ago. Most of their customers don't even use a desktop.Aug 14 20:39
DaemonFC[m]Very little subscription revenue coming from RHEL as a desktop. They have a desktop, but when few customers really care how well it works, you can kind of let it go.Aug 14 20:39
MinceRwell, people in this shithole country are poor so they use cars until they fall apartyAug 14 20:41
MinceRs/.$//Aug 14 20:41
DaemonFC[m]The decision to drop KDE came down from IBM.Aug 14 20:41
MinceRif a car isn't worth fixing the official way, they tend to find some unofficial wayAug 14 20:41
DaemonFC[m]So they moved in and they immediately started gutting Red Hat and they didn't see any immediate value from KDE, so it was removed.Aug 14 20:41
MinceRhedrat was doing shit like that even before dehomag bought themAug 14 20:42
MinceRKDE already signed its own death warrant by jumping on the cancerd bandwagonAug 14 20:42
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Many people here are so poor that  they drive cars without doing basic repairs at all.Aug 14 20:42
MinceRthey had to know there is room for only one DE in the new "standardized" "Linux"Aug 14 20:42
DaemonFC[m]Then their tires unravel and they end up flipped over in a ditch.Aug 14 20:43
MinceRyeah, that tooAug 14 20:43
MinceRit's common to hear some car in very poor condition make very inappropriate loud noisesAug 14 20:43
MinceRa belt slipping or an engine abused to hell and backAug 14 20:43
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, there's a lot of that here. It's called black people listening to the shit we TORTURE people with at Guantanamo Bay, willingly. Aug 14 20:44
MinceReven public transport buses often emit massive clouds of sootAug 14 20:44
MinceRbecause public transport is environmentally friendly, don't you knowAug 14 20:44
DaemonFC[m]<MinceR "even public transport buses ofte"> Oh, when Marion, Indiana was a middle class town in the 90s, before the shit hit the fan.....Aug 14 20:45
DaemonFC[m]They had actual city buses.Aug 14 20:45
MinceR:>Aug 14 20:45
DaemonFC[m]I used to make my aunt wait for the #4 bus because it was spewing black smoke everywhere and I thought it was funny.Aug 14 20:45
MinceRand sometimes our buses burn downAug 14 20:45
DaemonFC[m]I was a coal roller at 7.Aug 14 20:45
DaemonFC[m]B-)Aug 14 20:45
MinceRor cook a leg of a passengerAug 14 20:45
MinceRi don't know if that's because "maintenance" is a four-letter word (or entirely unknown) or the chucklefucks at daimler never had the first clue about how to design vehiclesAug 14 20:46
MinceRi suspect it's bothAug 14 20:46
DaemonFC[m]The PACE buses smell like my old 386 laptop the day I went to turn it on in 2007 and it fried itself.Aug 14 20:46
DaemonFC[m]Hey, it made it about 20 years. The average Macbook lasts about 2-3.Aug 14 20:47
DaemonFC[m]I have to explain to teenagers what an MP3 file is.Aug 14 20:48
DaemonFC[m]I've found that the short version usually works. Aug 14 20:48
DaemonFC[m]"It's what we did when we wanted to listen to music and didn't have Spotify, only you have the files so you can keep playing them whenever you want even if you don't pay someone.".Aug 14 20:48
DaemonFC[m]So then the gears start turning.Aug 14 20:48
DaemonFC[m]"So why do people pay for Spotify?"Aug 14 20:49
DaemonFC[m]I said, "Good question.".Aug 14 20:49
MinceRbecause keeping your music in the "cloud" is so "hip" and "cool"Aug 14 20:49
DaemonFC[m]Dear Spotify. Here's $130 for the year. Please light my hard earned money on fire and remove access from all your stuff if I don't pay you again.Aug 14 20:49
DaemonFC[m]People in the Depression figured out how to make clothes out of potato bags and nobody now can remember what an MP3 is.Aug 14 20:50
DaemonFC[m]Well played.Aug 14 20:50
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: According to Mayor Lightfoot, Chicago is going to "deploy technology, data analytics, and a Social Media Task Force" to keep looting down over the weekend.Aug 14 21:27
DaemonFC[m]Stop snitchin'! On yourselves..... On Facebook.Aug 14 21:27
DaemonFC[m]:)Aug 14 21:27
DaemonFC[m]You know, if thousands of looters descend on the loop and the police catch 0.2% of them, like they did last time, it just encourages more of it.Aug 14 21:28
DaemonFC[m]You have a 99%+ chance of making off with a trunk full of name brand merchandise and a <1% chance of being arrested.Aug 14 21:29
DaemonFC[m]So the cops can't really protect the city. The Democrats have whittled the police down to half of what they were 20 years ago and they're suddenly swamped with twice as much crime as normal.Aug 14 21:29
DaemonFC[m]The police in Chicago have already been defunded.Aug 14 21:30
DaemonFC[m]There were over 11,000 of them in 1990.Aug 14 21:30
DaemonFC[m]There's about 5,000 now.Aug 14 21:30
DaemonFC[m]If the FOID law was repealed, more citizens could at least protect themselves.Aug 14 21:31
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DaemonFC[m]But they voted in these idiots who said the gun laws would stop the gun crimes (and they had no effect at all).Aug 14 21:31
DaemonFC[m]The only affect FOID has had on crimes is that criminals know their victims are powerless to stop them.Aug 14 21:31
DaemonFC[m]*effectAug 14 21:31
DaemonFC[m]The FOID law declares open season on people. It tells criminals, who have a trunk of guns from Wisconsin or Indiana, that their victims won't be armed.Aug 14 21:33
DaemonFC[m]It's been an unenforceable disaster. 58,000 guns that are in the FOID system, the state has lost track of.Aug 14 21:34
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: It really says everything that the only reason Chicago solves any of these crimes at all is because of Stingrays and Facebook. Aug 14 21:34
DaemonFC[m]Idiots with smartphones who document themselves breaking the law.Aug 14 21:34
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DaemonFC[m]Normal times, you wear a mask and you can be charged with Disorderly Conduct. Aug 14 21:35
DaemonFC[m]During the pandemic, you don't wear a mask and you can be charged with a Class A Misdemeanor for violating the public health code.Aug 14 21:35
DaemonFC[m]+2,296 in Illinois today. For new cases.Aug 14 21:37
DaemonFC[m]Worst number since May 24th.Aug 14 21:38
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, we're going backwards for sure.Aug 14 21:38
DaemonFC[m]MarketWatch (Republican Party bullshit) says that since the enhanced unemployment expired, instead of seeing 1 million new unemployment applications in a week, we say 964,000, which is "proof that people were sitting on their asses" essentially. However, what it doesn't account for is that 1. After losing 40 million jobs you kind of hope to hit bottom sometime soon, and they're acting like a 3.5% reduction in one weeAug 14 21:42
DaemonFC[m]for the figure of how much worse it's getting is a miraculous economic recovery. Also, 2. They assume that over 40 million people losing the extra $600 a week isn't going to cause any further economic damage at all, even though it certainly will.Aug 14 21:42
DaemonFC[m]Even if Trump's phony $400 ever shows up, it will take 4-6 weeks for states to adapt their unemployment systems, so that's 4-6 weeks where they don't have anything but the state benefits coming in, and millions of people lose THAT too.Aug 14 21:44
DaemonFC[m]Even at that, it's a $200 a week reduction for over 40 million people, and THAT money run out in about 30 days.Aug 14 21:44
DaemonFC[m]It has only been 2 weeks since Trump and the Republicans cut town and left 46 million Americans hanging high and dry, and food banks are already started to become completely wiped out.Aug 14 21:45
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: What Trump appears to do usually has little/no effect and was just for show. Today I learned that his "eviction moratorium" doesn't actually protect any American from evictions. What it does is order federal agencies to determine if an eviction ban is appropriate to slow down the virus. Meanwhile, the only protections from eviction that any Americans have is whatever their state and local governments areAug 14 21:50
DaemonFC[m]doing for them.Aug 14 21:50
DaemonFC[m]So in Illinois, Governor Pritzker is the only thing standing between landlords and the eviction courts, and Trump didn't do anything to help anyone.Aug 14 21:51
DaemonFC[m]It's all smoke and mirrors except the one that extends the student loan deferral to December.Aug 14 21:52
DaemonFC[m]The evidence for masks is overwhelming. Illinois mask mandate went into effect on the 1st of May. We were hitting 110 Coronavirus deaths per day.Aug 14 21:56
DaemonFC[m]It crashed and bottomed out at about 15 per day.Aug 14 21:56
DaemonFC[m]Florida just keeps setting new death records with no end in sight.Aug 14 21:56
DaemonFC[m]I'm considering running for office myself, personally.Aug 14 22:09
DaemonFC[m]Well, I'd say that mask laws do fit in with Libertarian principles when we're facing a pandemic, because Libertarians do think there should be laws to protect people from actual harm caused by someone else.Aug 14 22:10
DaemonFC[m]Like, it's not like it would suddenly be legal to shoot someone just because you felt like it.Aug 14 22:11
DaemonFC[m]But hey, you don't want to wear your seat belt? That's a risk you're taking.Aug 14 22:11
DaemonFC[m]We know the facts about seat belts. We know that when cars started having to have them as standard equipment, vehicle crash deaths dropped 90%. Mind you that this was way back when maybe 3 or 4 states had laws that allowed the police to fine you if you weren't wearing one.Aug 14 22:12
DaemonFC[m]Letting the police fine drivers didn't really have drastic effects because most people are smart enough to wear their seat belt already.Aug 14 22:13
DaemonFC[m]This hands off approach to masks doesn't work because either most people cooperate or there's hardly any benefit at all. It's an all or nothing thing, and it affects the entire community. Aug 14 22:14
DaemonFC[m]Letting the government into the housing market has never turned out well.Aug 14 22:15
DaemonFC[m]Public housing was a disaster because it turned into a third world civil war inside one building where you could afford to live, but bullets would come flying through your wall and kill you after someone raped you in the elevator a few times.Aug 14 22:15
DaemonFC[m]Then things got completely flipped around and instead of being a Socialist project that at least meant well, CHA turned into a gentrification tool on steroids that distorted the market the other way and made Chicago unaffordable using a government agency.Aug 14 22:17
DaemonFC[m]Leaving the market alone the entire time would have at least let things settle where most people could afford Chicago and without the all out warfare that socialism and gentrification sparked.Aug 14 22:18
DaemonFC[m]So, I see leaving the market alone as "The government proved that no matter how they go about it, if they touch it, they'll only make it worse.".Aug 14 22:19
DaemonFC[m]This gentrification disaster blew up a real estate bubble that will not survive the Coronavirus.Aug 14 22:19
DaemonFC[m]You ended up building a lot of expensive apartments for white people that are going to crash in price as a response to the economic failure and desperate landlords are going to rent to the black people with the criminal history that you were trying to keep out in the first place. Aug 14 22:20
DaemonFC[m]Which is, at least, deliciously ironic. Aug 14 22:20
DaemonFC[m]Give it ten years, twenty years, and these buildings are going to be completely torn up and Cabrini Green all over again while Chicago reverts to being a sprawling slum like it was in the 70s and 80s.Aug 14 22:21
DaemonFC[m]The economy that just failed "worked" because the black and brown people had service jobs that they commuted to so they could sling coffee to all of the muckity mucks who aren't going to be there anymore.Aug 14 22:22
DaemonFC[m]Without the muckity mucks, the service jobs won't exist and the city falls prey to sky high unemployment that refuses to go down.Aug 14 22:23
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Trump is behaving like someone dug up Herbert Hoover and put him in charge of the Coronavirus pandemic.Aug 14 22:24
DaemonFC[m]The systemic rot that was being papered over by debt has fallen apart and so spectacularly this time that we can't just take on several trillion more in debt and go on pretending it didn't happen.Aug 14 22:25
DaemonFC[m]I think that the looting of the loop is just kind of a sideshow really. Aug 14 22:26
DaemonFC[m]I don't doubt that the city has all sorts of "technology resources" because they're dealing with idiots who will not only bring a cell phone that logs their location as they loot, but they'll get on Facebook Live while they're doing it.Aug 14 22:26
DaemonFC[m]Individual metadata might not secure a conviction, but it can assist with one, and with those Stingrays, the police can count on there being enough cell phones to know which way the looters are moving in general.Aug 14 22:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Man uses bag of potato chips to skip work for two years - News | Khaleej TimesAug 14 22:32
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I have such doubts about the post office that I'm considering hand delivering my ballot to the county clerk instead of mailing it back in.Aug 14 22:45
DaemonFC[m]God only knows what is going on in there and I think this messing around with the post office is going to end badly for Trump.Aug 14 22:45
DaemonFC[m]What it's doing is getting Democrat furious and having them make sure that they walk the vote to the clerk or drop it in the mail ASAP.Aug 14 22:46
DaemonFC[m]In the mean time, the Republicans, who need mail in ballot more, and will use them more, might end up getting their ballot delivered after the deadline.Aug 14 22:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Chicago mayor announces beefed-up police plan to track, prevent future lootingAug 14 23:08
DaemonFC[m]precrimeAug 14 23:12
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR:  I think one of the things holding liquidation bankruptcy at bay in Illinois is that blue states seem to be more stingy with what you can protect from the trustee than red states are.Aug 14 23:27
DaemonFC[m]For example, Illinois has a $3,000 exemption for a car and a $4,000 wildcard that you can use to protect whatever you want, including some cash or money in the bank.Aug 14 23:27
DaemonFC[m]But Indiana has a $10,250 wildcard and nothing in particular for a car. So if you don't own a car or it's a piece of crap and you could only get $1,000 for it, Indiana's exemptions are a lot better.Aug 14 23:28
DaemonFC[m]Many people in Chicago don't even have a car, so the car exemption doesn't help them at all and they can only exempt $4,000 worth of stuff, when in Indiana they could exempt $10,250 worth of stuff.Aug 14 23:29
DaemonFC[m]It's also very expensive to live in Chicago. A 1 br apartment in a cheap part of the city with lots of crime will still run $800-900, while the same apartment in Indiana where there's not much crime to speak of might only run $550.Aug 14 23:30
DaemonFC[m]So Illinois doesn't let you get out of Chapter 7 bankruptcy with enough remaining assets to live for very long.Aug 14 23:30
DaemonFC[m]In fact, you can't even protect $4,000 in the bank or else you're going to get grilled by the trustee about "Well, don't you have a DVD player? I'm assuming you wear clothes, right?".Aug 14 23:31
DaemonFC[m]So you have to claim like $100 worth of clothes and $150 for "household electronics" to make it look believable, or else it raises questions, but you're also eating into that $4,000.Aug 14 23:32
DaemonFC[m]So they might leave you with enough money to live on for a couple months. Emphasis on the might.Aug 14 23:32
DaemonFC[m]The trustee isn't going to go steal your I'm with Stupid t-shirt that you got two years ago at Walmart for $6.99, but he's trying to make your exemption worth as little as possible so that maybe he can go after your cash.Aug 14 23:33
DaemonFC[m]It seems that bankruptcy as a stimulus of sorts will happen sooner rather than later.Aug 14 23:36
DaemonFC[m]As a plan, doing nothing and letting your economy fail isn't good government, but people are finding that out.Aug 14 23:39
DaemonFC[m]I read an article about a person that seemed a little less wise than me, which confirmed my theory that people were frittering their CARES Act unemployment at the banks to make them shut up a while longer.Aug 14 23:40
DaemonFC[m]Now the additional money is gone and instead of $2,800 a month, that lady still has a major problem with the banks, no job, is living at her mom's, and gets jusy $138 a week until the state cuts her off too.Aug 14 23:41
DaemonFC[m]They needed to file some time ago. They should have saved whatever their state would let them exempt and then pull the trigger.Aug 14 23:43
DaemonFC[m]At the 11th hour, I really wouldn't be surprised if Trump tried to mess up the bankruptcy courts or rewrite the bankruptcy code with executive orders to block people from getting relief.Aug 14 23:44
DaemonFC[m]The laws themselves are pretty black and white and leave many things up to the state, but the Trustee division is a part of the DoJ, which Trump controls. He could really screw things up by, oh I don't know, mass firing the Trustees? He an dismiss Trustees, and the bankruptcy can't go through until a Trustee reviews your case. Aug 14 23:46
DaemonFC[m]Or mass firings followed by appointing really bad people and telling them to stop and investigate every single line on the schedules, and object to everything, and so on.Aug 14 23:47
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I think we're screwed and I wouldn't be shocked if he tried something like this to save the big banks from collapse.Aug 14 23:48
DaemonFC[m]I'm very concerned with this "Looting Task Force" in Chicago though.Aug 14 23:50
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DaemonFC[m]This is where Chicago is heading too. Aug 14 23:51
DaemonFC[m]Landlords are trying to keep their sky high rent by offering two months free rent, but those prices are unsustainable without demand.Aug 14 23:51
DaemonFC[m]They're only fooling themselves if they think that throwing a little free rent is going to shock the real estate market back to life. Aug 14 23:52
DaemonFC[m]"July also saw the largest fall in rental rates in nearly a decade, dropping 10%. Landlords are now offering an average of 1.7 months of free rent to try to lure tenants, according to the report, which is also a recent high."Aug 14 23:53
DaemonFC[m]Prices will fall more than 10%. They spent the last 5 years in Chicago going up about 50%. Aug 14 23:54
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DaemonFC[m]There's more air trapped in the system, and telling your tenants to not go out after 6 PM because homeless child molesters are camped in the park and there's looting might not attract tenants even at 2015 prices.Aug 14 23:54
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: ZeroHedge writes about this. Have not seen it in the mainstream rags. Nothing about that black guy that walked up and shot a 5 year old white boy in the head, execution style, over having played in his yard either.Aug 14 23:58
DaemonFC[m]He won't have to worry about his yard anymore, what with the first degree murder charge and what's going to happen when the jury sees a tatted up defendant with corn rows and a death stare in the court room.Aug 14 23:59
DaemonFC[m]CNN and MSNBC didn't go anywhere near that and even Fox News only barely mentioned it, apparently, on Tucker Carlson.Aug 14 23:59

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