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| DaemonFC[m] | I might install Fedora 31 when the beta is out. | Sep 14 00:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Interested in the new version of GNOME Web. | Sep 14 00:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sandboxed tabs and new ad blocker. | Sep 14 00:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Stallman Under Fire for Views on Epstein | Tux Machines | Sep 14 04:26 | |
| r_schestowitz | I suppose RMS visit to #microsoft will no longer be the major focus of RMS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128122 | Sep 14 04:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, condoning the sexual molestation of 12 year olds is frowned upon. | Sep 14 04:29 |
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| r_schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: for good reasons | Sep 14 04:58 |
| r_schestowitz | good luck explaining to a grown lady that when she was a kid she was 'consenting' to 'pleasuring' some old perverts | Sep 14 04:59 |
| r_schestowitz | yet RMS persists with this BS... as he had done for years, not minding the backlash, maybe even ignoring it altogether | Sep 14 04:59 |
| r_schestowitz | and this will make one wonder if decades ago he himself participated | Sep 14 04:59 |
| r_schestowitz | Microsoft Peter (Pedophile Peter) was also an apologist for crap like this, as was Amos Yee | Sep 14 05:00 |
| r_schestowitz | Should Techritghts publish something about it? | Sep 14 05:02 |
| r_schestowitz | It's not so much a TECH rights thing | Sep 14 05:02 |
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| r_schestowitz | Re: red hat know-it-all syndrome (rhkias)> red hat know-it-all syndrome is a personality disorder commonly suffered from by people who champion solutions from red hat. | Sep 14 05:51 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Sep 14 05:51 |
| r_schestowitz | > symptoms include treating red hat solutions as the only way that things will ever work (systemd, flatpak) and talking down to experienced users as though theyve never looked up something on google. | Sep 14 05:51 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Sep 14 05:51 |
| r_schestowitz | > arguments from people with rhkias tend to be circular-- if you dont agree with red hats solution, it has to be because you dont understand why its needed. if you understood why its needed, you would agree it is necessary. | Sep 14 05:51 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Sep 14 05:51 |
| r_schestowitz | > rhkias bears striking similarities to microsoft evangelist syndrome and rtfm personality disorder, except for the unique combination of pretending to care about the user, security, and a boggling array of impressive details that show why the proponent knows everything, but the critic never does. | Sep 14 05:51 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Sep 14 05:51 |
| r_schestowitz | > the only cure for rhkias is to use solutions that red hat did not create, thus forcing the world to confront reality-- or at least reveal how ridiculous they are to users that were on the fence. | Sep 14 05:51 |
| r_schestowitz | "this is huge this is huge! years in the making | Sep 14 05:54 |
| r_schestowitz | we are so close! | Sep 14 05:54 |
| r_schestowitz | i created a fucking organisation with this as a goal... (ok we arent there yet, but this is HUGE HUGE HUGE progress! SO CLOSE!) | Sep 14 05:54 |
| r_schestowitz | no that wasnt the only goal. but its a very key step, ideally. | Sep 14 05:54 |
| r_schestowitz | talking to oliva on diaspora: | Sep 14 05:54 |
| r_schestowitz | (this is such a big deal to me, i want to go buy a cake. im sort of allergic to cake, but even so, if the bakery were open) | Sep 14 05:54 |
| r_schestowitz | > see, I don’t deny the threats exist, I don’t deny there is a possibility and even an intent to make our lives harder, and I don’t deny that the freedom to fix things up doesn’t make it trivial to bring things back to the way they should be. | Sep 14 05:54 |
| r_schestowitz | all good stuff. good, good, good. | Sep 14 05:54 |
| r_schestowitz | > it takes effort to do so, and even when we choose to go our separate ways, we then have fewer hands to share the burden, which aggravates the situation. | Sep 14 05:54 |
| r_schestowitz | thats why when there is very good cause to think its deliberate, i consider it an attack on free software. if its innocent its probably not so bad. | Sep 14 05:54 |
| r_schestowitz | ai could even be used to find ways to muck things up (i know this is wildly speculative, but ai is already used in planning applications) http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Librethreat_Database#AI-assisted_software_engineering | Sep 14 05:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Librethreat Database - Techrights | Sep 14 05:54 | |
| r_schestowitz | > I said before, and I’ll insist that their developing and distributing software that respects their users’ freedoms while promoting their own interests is in their right/freedom. we have no right/power to demand or force them to cooperate with us | Sep 14 05:54 |
| r_schestowitz | if their interest is destroying/limiting/hurting free software so that monopolies can better compete with it-- if we actually know thats a goal, then we do have a right to complain about sabotage (and shun microsoft, the worse offender-- but also anybody else who does more than a few years of damage to the ecosystem) regarding key projects (like init.) | Sep 14 05:54 |
| r_schestowitz | **we can say they dont violate the 4 freedoms** and we can say "this is free software." | Sep 14 05:54 |
| r_schestowitz | we **cant** make hard fast rules about it. | Sep 14 05:54 |
| r_schestowitz | but just because the license respects the 4 freedoms, doesnt mean that they arent violating something equally important. | Sep 14 05:54 |
| r_schestowitz | youre acting like we are helpless to do anything. | Sep 14 05:54 |
| r_schestowitz | **we also cant amend the 4 freedoms** | Sep 14 05:54 |
| r_schestowitz | you and i **agree** that doing so would actually weaken the fsd (and the osd and dfsg, for what its worth) | Sep 14 05:54 |
| r_schestowitz | so these principles when violated, must constitute a lesser priority than the 4 freedoms. | Sep 14 05:54 |
| r_schestowitz | i dont think stallman would ever tolerate such lesser guidelines in addition to the 4 freedoms. **its unfair to have guidelines that only apply when REAL damage is done, right?** | Sep 14 05:54 |
| r_schestowitz | but i would compare it to certain laws about using a different name. in new hampshire for example, **it is legal to use a different name-- but it is illegal to use a different name for the purposes of fraud.** (to the best of my knowledge. ive never bothered.) | Sep 14 05:54 |
| r_schestowitz | so free software that is created and promoted as a weapon against the free software movement **is still free software** but for example, **we can have categories of free software that we know are bad for us.** | Sep 14 05:54 |
| r_schestowitz | like the difference between banning sweets and telling people that eating too many will do harm to your health. and then **doing an article that shows how much freaking sugar** is in each popular coffee drink at starbucks, dunkin, etc. | Sep 14 05:54 |
| r_schestowitz | WE CAN DO THIS. but only if we admit that its a problem, acknowledge when it is a monopoly that is likely doing it for selfish / sabotage reasons, and then decide to call them out on it. | Sep 14 05:54 |
| r_schestowitz | this is a new category of freedom, and by definition we much consider it a lesser thing than the 4 freedoms **or** it will undermine the fsd. (which we agree is most certainly not an option.) | Sep 14 05:54 |
| r_schestowitz | but the fsd doesnt require us to fool ourselves about it, pretend its not a problem **or say nothing against it.** | Sep 14 05:54 |
| r_schestowitz | thats what im trying to prove (to you, then the fsf-- and failing that, **everybody else**) | Sep 14 05:54 |
| r_schestowitz | > to do our bidding the way we wish, any more than they can demand or force us to cooperate with them. | Sep 14 05:54 |
| r_schestowitz | this is the part where youre wrong. we certainly can! | Sep 14 05:54 |
| r_schestowitz | and if this goes back to the mission statement, i think youre wrong about that too. if this is about the mission statement, you would have also been helpless against tivoisation. | Sep 14 05:54 |
| r_schestowitz | maybe the lobbying against gpl3 is what makes you shy, but tivoisation was such a problem that you had to **patch the gpl license** to fix it. | Sep 14 05:55 |
| r_schestowitz | all we have to do to fix this one is call it out. | Sep 14 05:55 |
| r_schestowitz | > if we want things done our way, we have to do them ourselves, | Sep 14 05:55 |
| r_schestowitz | > **and here lies our greatest weakness: we’ve always taught users about freedom and the importance of demanding it from developers, of rejecting non-Free Software. our plan has always been to educate enough users that their demands would be enough to drive the entire market to freedom-respecting software, because proprietary software would be laughed out by users who sought autonomy and demanded freedom.** | Sep 14 05:55 |
| r_schestowitz | > our voice on that is loud, and clearer than ever. | Sep 14 05:55 |
| r_schestowitz | > however, because there are so many Free Software users and developers, many of them never even exposed to these views, and so many others vaccinated against them, there are many voices that do not help us attain our goal. | Sep 14 05:55 |
| r_schestowitz | im aware of that. and open source is largely to blame there. (ask mako. you dont have to comment on this part, but i think you understand this. either way, attributing the blame that open source deserves-- rewriting history even-- is not strictly NECESSARY, it only helps. you could argue it doesnt help though i think we are past the point where thats true. imo.) | Sep 14 05:55 |
| r_schestowitz | > again, they’re free to pursue their goals, and we can’t, shouldn’t force them otherwise. | Sep 14 05:55 |
| r_schestowitz | force? no. acknowledge it happens? yes. acknowledge that we need to **guard against it?** i think so. | Sep 14 05:55 |
| r_schestowitz | > it might even seem that our job became harder, because now we have to overcome the vaccination and the many voices, | Sep 14 05:55 |
| r_schestowitz | this theory that its just about that sidesteps the monopolies doing this deliberately. which there is ample evidence of (and it only builds up further.) | Sep 14 05:55 |
| r_schestowitz | > it’s difficult to assess whether we’re better off, no worse off, or we had a setback | Sep 14 05:55 |
| r_schestowitz | difficult, but it can be done. **a lot of people** have made this case for years, you know. you cant ignore what dyne.org and hyperbola say about it forever. | Sep 14 05:55 |
| r_schestowitz | > however, regardless of the size of the task that remains to be done, the length of the path remaining towards our goal, has the nature of our job changed? teaching users to demand freedom, | Sep 14 05:55 |
| r_schestowitz | **the lesson has changed, a little.** if we dont teach the whole thing, including the parts that defend us against new attacks, it benefits only the monopolies. | Sep 14 05:55 |
| r_schestowitz | i swear you want to play it safer than that, but playing it too safe could be dangerous (the damage is done, but more could easily be on the way. they havent stopped in 20 years, why stop now while theyre gaining ground?) | Sep 14 05:55 |
| r_schestowitz | > to defend their autonomy, remains our most important task. | Sep 14 05:55 |
| r_schestowitz | systemd monopolises autonomy. its a power grab, where they turn several projects into something where several communities maintain something easy, and now they have to work just to get **back** to where they can do that-- then the work of maintaining still has to be done. | Sep 14 05:55 |
| r_schestowitz | theyve added a step, and its taken 5 years to fix that, to get back to where we were in 2014. | Sep 14 05:55 |
| r_schestowitz | thats a powerful setback-- the kind better explained by a weapon being deployed than an innocent mistake. but thats not the proof, its just the wake of the damage done. | Sep 14 05:55 |
| r_schestowitz | > at an abstract level, ISTM that it remains exactly the same, though nowadays we have plenty of additional examples of threats that users need to learn to watch out for. we have updated our messaging in this regard, to cover several of the new threats, at the expense of making it more complex. | Sep 14 05:55 |
| r_schestowitz | thats what we need to keep doing. but we can simplify it a bit, we can streamline if we have a category (a tier) of lesser threats. | Sep 14 05:55 |
| r_schestowitz | > would it be wise to do more of that? or should we focus on the abstract that, once learned, makes the threats nearly obvious to understand, figure out, and to never get wrong? | Sep 14 05:55 |
| r_schestowitz | whatever gets the job done. | Sep 14 05:55 |
| r_schestowitz | but we have to acknowledge the problem to move forward. | Sep 14 05:55 |
| r_schestowitz | i would say youre there. | Sep 14 05:55 |
| r_schestowitz | this **entire tier** of lesser threats needs a name. there was libreplanet presentation i watched, that said theres a fallacy that giving a problem a name solves the problem. | Sep 14 05:55 |
| r_schestowitz | im not arguing with that-- i think that sort of fallacy is probably very common in the non-profit sector and grassroots movements. | Sep 14 05:55 |
| r_schestowitz | **a name makes it so we dont have to use the definition instead, 100 times in an article. its the linguistic equivalent of encapsulation or (broadly) defining a function.** | Sep 14 05:55 |
| r_schestowitz | its much more efficient if this problem has a name. | Sep 14 05:55 |
| r_schestowitz | when anti-virus experts find a problem, they dont always agree on a standard name. **i call it redix** because one its most prominent features and trends is being **anti-posix**-- what microsoft calls "de-commoditising protocols" and what is commonly known as eee. | Sep 14 05:55 |
| r_schestowitz | but eee is thought of as something that requires non-free licensing: | Sep 14 05:55 |
| r_schestowitz | Redix | Sep 14 05:55 |
| r_schestowitz | * Threat type: Broad category | Sep 14 05:55 |
| r_schestowitz | * Affects: Free software development, stability and reliability, autonomy, organisational structure | Sep 14 05:56 |
| r_schestowitz | * Summary: **Disruption of POSIX, EEE of free software projects, Infiltration of organisations that offer free software** http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Librethreat_Database#Redix | Sep 14 05:56 |
| r_schestowitz | the concept of anti-posix is more concrete. posix is one of the glues that holds our ecosystem together. | Sep 14 05:56 |
| r_schestowitz | is it **wrong** to make something that doesnt comply with posix? not in and of itself. but if someone attacks our ecosystem (the software we rely on) and takes away functionality to replace it with theirs, its a very effective attack **in practice.** theory matters, though it isnt just theory. | Sep 14 05:56 |
| r_schestowitz | building outside posix is alright. **gutting posix** when it holds our ecosystem together and replacing it halfway is like what the borg does with locutus. | Sep 14 05:56 |
| r_schestowitz | **control is de facto ownership.** | Sep 14 05:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Librethreat Database - Techrights | Sep 14 05:56 | |
| r_schestowitz | this will lead to gnu/linux becoming "azure." but either way, it will (it has) lead to free software being diminished. | Sep 14 05:56 |
| r_schestowitz | i dont expect you to adopt the name redix. but for us, we desperately need a name for this problem. | Sep 14 05:56 |
| r_schestowitz | **you know it exists.** | Sep 14 05:56 |
| r_schestowitz | you have admitted enough of it that we can operate on a similar page (close enough for me, i think.) | Sep 14 05:56 |
| r_schestowitz | it would make these conversations (which must go beyond you and me, though of course youre a very key person hence my frustration with the difficulty-- youre as stubborn as i am and thats a gift of yours when used for good as you tend to) so much easier if we gave this problem a name. | Sep 14 05:56 |
| r_schestowitz | the libreplanet presented was correct that naming it doesnt solve it. **you can actually take every function definition and replace each call to it with the contents of the function.** | Sep 14 05:56 |
| r_schestowitz | but man, is that ever more work to maintain! so naming reduces the work-- and not having a name for the problem multiplies it severalfold. | Sep 14 05:56 |
| r_schestowitz | i wont push you to name it today. i urge you to consider a name for this. | Sep 14 05:56 |
| r_schestowitz | i call it redix because its a real threat to posix (also because of systemd, so thats another reason i dont expect you to use that name!) "antiposix" would work just as well. | Sep 14 05:56 |
| r_schestowitz | **remember, its not as big a deal when it doesnt create a big setback OR a LOT of little setbacks, maliciously.** this a problem that takes intent into account. we can show the intent, it adds substantially to the problem. | Sep 14 05:56 |
| r_schestowitz | you could call it "eee despite a free license" (eeedfl) | Sep 14 05:56 |
| r_schestowitz | steve litt calls it "gratuitous interdependency" /gratechrights.org/wiki/index.php/Librethreat_Database#Redix which i consider closely related enough that we could probably use that. | Sep 14 05:56 |
| r_schestowitz | i hope that by next year, youll have a name for this problem. that wont solve it, but it will make discussing it easier once we say it exists and has something we can call it without constantly defining it. | Sep 14 05:56 |
| r_schestowitz | **something we can refine the definition of, once we have the name.** | Sep 14 05:56 |
| r_schestowitz | when we have the definition, we can warn people. redix is defined, but i would like a word / definition that YOU can feel comfortable with. | Sep 14 05:56 |
| r_schestowitz | id still use redix, but id use yours a lot too. | Sep 14 05:56 |
| r_schestowitz | what say you, mr. oliva? think about it. | Sep 14 05:56 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 14 05:56 |
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| psydroid | so apparently this is a thing now, I am surprised they are even doing anything about it | Sep 14 10:58 |
| psydroid | https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/felicity-huffman-sentenced-to-14-days-in-prison-in-us-college-scandal-20190914-p52r8k.html | Sep 14 10:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smh.com.au | Felicity Huffman sentenced to 14 days in prison in US college scandal | Sep 14 10:58 | |
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| r_schestowitz | psydroid: I saw that article earlier today | Sep 14 13:04 |
| r_schestowitz | no idea who she is | Sep 14 13:04 |
| r_schestowitz | or what it's about | Sep 14 13:04 |
| r_schestowitz | but it sounded like showbiz-type crap | Sep 14 13:04 |
| r_schestowitz | so I kipped it | Sep 14 13:04 |
| r_schestowitz | OK, so I'm right | Sep 14 13:05 |
| r_schestowitz | it's showbiz stuff | Sep 14 13:05 |
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| psydroid | r_schestowitz: I wasn't even looking for that (my terms were about looking for bribery in the computer industry), but it was the first item that showed up and it appears in the US rich people are bribing teachers at universities to get their children in at the expense of prospective students who may be more suited to be accepted at those universities | Sep 14 13:08 |
| r_schestowitz | yes, a widespread issue | Sep 14 13:09 |
| r_schestowitz | but it makes more headlines when someone well known is involevd | Sep 14 13:09 |
| r_schestowitz | not just rich little boy/girl of mommy/daddy | Sep 14 13:10 |
| r_schestowitz | I saw the name and skipped the article | Sep 14 13:10 |
| r_schestowitz | I have a filter, mental mostly, for celeb stuff | Sep 14 13:10 |
| psydroid | I wasn't even aware this was a thing | Sep 14 13:10 |
| psydroid | yeah, me too | Sep 14 13:10 |
| r_schestowitz | it has been a thing for a while | Sep 14 13:10 |
| r_schestowitz | look up what Dr. Dre did | Sep 14 13:10 |
| r_schestowitz | they bribe the unis | Sep 14 13:10 |
| r_schestowitz | and then the kids 'get in' | Sep 14 13:10 |
| r_schestowitz | sometimes as 'disabled' | Sep 14 13:10 |
| r_schestowitz | learning disabilities | Sep 14 13:10 |
| r_schestowitz | this way the bar to graduation is lowered | Sep 14 13:11 |
| psydroid | I wonder if similar things happen in Europe at any scale | Sep 14 13:11 |
| r_schestowitz | Bribing college admissions is not hard, esp. when you have a fake 'charity' and can bribe the universities/colleges 'upstream', as college dropout #billgates does a lot. The same is done with CFOs etc. for #insidertrading | Sep 14 13:16 |
| r_schestowitz | psydroid: it's an issue here also | Sep 14 13:16 |
| r_schestowitz | I heard stories | Sep 14 13:16 |
| r_schestowitz | maybe European media is crap | Sep 14 13:16 |
| r_schestowitz | like its coverage of EPO | Sep 14 13:16 |
| r_schestowitz | or lack thereof | Sep 14 13:16 |
| r_schestowitz | so you just never hear of it or see the full scale of it | Sep 14 13:17 |
| r_schestowitz | maybe the media here is too bribed | Sep 14 13:17 |
| r_schestowitz | some 'European' media is bribed by Gates | Sep 14 13:17 |
| r_schestowitz | who also bribed MIT, as it turns out, via Epstein | Sep 14 13:17 |
| psydroid | that makes it a lot clearer, it would be good to know where and how far people like Gates and Murdoch have spread their tentacles | Sep 14 13:21 |
| r_schestowitz | as much as the Kochs | Sep 14 13:22 |
| r_schestowitz | Kochs even paid TechDirt :/ | Sep 14 13:22 |
| psydroid | true journalism is going to be harder and harder to find, which is a saddening thought | Sep 14 13:26 |
| psydroid | in an era in which everyone can be bought it is going to be hard to distinguish who is doing things out of a genuine concern to improve things anymore without selling out their principles, and that in all walks of life | Sep 14 13:27 |
| MrGreenFriend | psydroid, https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/2016/07/20/the-10-best-fact-checking-sites | Sep 14 13:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mediabiasfactcheck.com | The 10 Best Fact Checking Sites - Media Bias/Fact Check | Sep 14 13:41 | |
| psydroid | MrGreenFriend, thanks, that's exactly the kind of information I was looking for looking | Sep 14 13:47 |
| MrGreenFriend | yeh, i don't which is best. i have seen good debunking by Snopes & Politifact | Sep 14 13:52 |
| r_schestowitz | some fact checkers are corrupt also | Sep 14 13:58 |
| r_schestowitz | they're sold to a "side" | Sep 14 13:58 |
| r_schestowitz | which then weaponises them | Sep 14 13:58 |
| r_schestowitz | and it's a circular issue | Sep 14 13:58 |
| r_schestowitz | BTW, Snopes is among those compromised | Sep 14 13:58 |
| r_schestowitz | Check what happened some years ago when they faced issue and were 'rescued' | Sep 14 13:58 |
| MrGreenFriend | r_schestowitz, which is the best 'fact checking' site? | Sep 14 14:02 |
| MrGreenFriend | besides yours ;) | Sep 14 14:02 |
| MrGreenFriend | i really dont follow the news that close. i prefer to wait months/years until the facts are out. | Sep 14 14:04 |
| MrGreenFriend | e.g. Was Ian from DebIan murdered? i didnt follow it, because so muuuuuuch speculation. Do we know yet? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Murdock#Death | Sep 14 14:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Ian Murdock - Wikipedia | Sep 14 14:05 | |
| MrGreenFriend | Was Anthony Bourdain murdered? or suicide? | Sep 14 14:08 |
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| r_schestowitz | not sure about Anthony Bourdain | Sep 14 14:18 |
| r_schestowitz | can't see why they'd want him dead | Sep 14 14:18 |
| r_schestowitz | he wasn't high profile anymore | Sep 14 14:18 |
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| r_schestowitz | about Murdock, he had been suicidal for a while, SF PD drove him over the edge by abusing and humiliating him | Sep 14 14:19 |
| r_schestowitz | hhmmm.... seems like kaniini went down with viera and the whole of pleroma.site | Sep 14 14:19 |
| r_schestowitz | I guess those are all connected to the same ISP | Sep 14 14:19 |
| r_schestowitz | or maybe he runs all these things from his home | Sep 14 14:37 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, the Fox Lake police almost drove me to that point, r_schestowitz | Sep 14 18:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's always something worth dying for. Do you have anything worth living for? | Sep 14 18:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's been the question I've asked myself a lot over the years, and it turns out that no matter how bad things get, there has always been a reason to go on and to fight. | Sep 14 18:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In this case, the goals were survive, fight off the criminal charges, put John in his place, and then build a new life with my husband. | Sep 14 18:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The llast 4 months feels like 10 years worth of events. | Sep 14 18:46 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | In 120 days, I have been all over the place as far as emotionally, my outlook on the world, turning inward, shaking it off again.... | Sep 14 18:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The last word in the dispute between John and me will be mine. That was the car. The ties are severed. The actors are in place. The stage is set. His turn to have his life ruined while I sit here and laugh. | Sep 14 18:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Laugh that he accomplished nothing except his own demise. | Sep 14 18:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Laugh that I have grown stronger. Feel good that I have been forced to remember how resourceful I really am. | Sep 14 18:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Be thankful that I am no longer stuck in the mud living with a nasty pervert like John who should be in federal prison over what I know about him. | Sep 14 18:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Wasting years of my life. Being unhappy because I think that it's the only way to ride out 4 more years of a car loan. | Sep 14 18:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes, he almost got the cops to kill me. He made a giant error that will compound and rebound upon himself. | Sep 14 18:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I have not contacted him and never plan to again. He's shit on my shoe. I had to stop and wipe it off. | Sep 14 18:51 |
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| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: You don't have to justify staying away from a person who framed you. | Sep 14 18:59 |
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| XRevan86 | It's good to talk to the person to better understand the situation, but in this case, there's just nothing that can make this better. | Sep 14 19:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I can't talk to him. | Sep 14 19:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It would not only violate my probation and turn the remaining 11 months into a jail sentence, but I'd be back in court on a fresh Class A Misdemeanor for violating a no contact order. | Sep 14 19:02 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Oh, right, you said that. | Sep 14 19:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The car going back is not contact, but I say this regarding the car going back.... "Good. Fuck him.". | Sep 14 19:03 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: So, you cannot talk to him for 11 months, or does that have an expiration date at all? | Sep 14 19:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That expires with the probation. | Sep 14 19:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It is part of the probation order, and the probation itself is until August 8, 2020. | Sep 14 19:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Although if I comply with the terms, it goes unsupervised on Decmber 9th of this year and I no longer have to report to a probation officer. | Sep 14 19:05 |
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| XRevan86 | https://blog.xabber.com/xabber-server-v-0-9-alpha-is-released/ ugh, another one | Sep 14 20:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.xabber.com | Xabber Server v.0.9 alpha is released | Sep 14 20:36 | |
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