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DaemonFC[m]> even the number of domains is way too high on a typical "modern" site, let alone number of script resources or functions or lines of codeJan 15 01:05
DaemonFC[m]That's how Google is crippling ad blockers.Jan 15 01:05
DaemonFC[m]By limiting them to like 50,000 rules you can only filter out the worst offenders.Jan 15 01:06
DaemonFC[m]Easylist and Easyprivacy together have over 150,000 rules.Jan 15 01:06
DaemonFC[m]MinceR Windows 9x had a severe limitation of 150 KB on a HOSTS file or else things got really slow.Jan 15 01:07
DaemonFC[m]So when I was maintaining an ad blocking HOSTS file I bumped that limit and then realized by doing find and replace and changing to I saved enough space that it fell below that limit again.Jan 15 01:08
MinceR:>Jan 15 01:08
DaemonFC[m]Plus lookups to failed faster because it's an illegal address so Windows wouldn't wait for a response. Which is exactly what you want when you're blocking ads anyway.Jan 15 01:09
DaemonFC[m]Since HOSTS ad blocking often requires several entries per ad network, it grows fast.Jan 15 01:09
DaemonFC[m]Windows 2000/XP can handle larger HOSTS files so for a while I was maintaining one for 2000/XP, and one for Windows 9x that just tried to block the most common ad networks.Jan 15 01:11
MinceRso who's maintaining the crashium fork that allows adblockers to work properly and/or comes with a good adblocker? :>Jan 15 01:12
DaemonFC[m]The 9x HOSTS file still blocked like 95% of the ads and stuff. The XP one went on to include the less common ads, plus spyware domains and stuff.Jan 15 01:12
DaemonFC[m]MinceR Opera and Vivaldi have removed the Manifest v3 limit.Jan 15 01:12
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft seems to have removed the limit from Edge.Jan 15 01:13
DaemonFC[m]Mozilla says they won't implement the limit.Jan 15 01:13
MinceRwhich of those is free software?Jan 15 01:13
DaemonFC[m]So there's like 5% between Opera and Vivaldi, 12% with Edge, and 8% with Firefox.Jan 15 01:13
DaemonFC[m]25% of web users are not affected by Manifest v3.Jan 15 01:14
DaemonFC[m]MinceR Opera, Vivaldi, and Edge are proprietary, of course.Jan 15 01:14
MinceRah, so the web is still hopelessJan 15 01:15
DaemonFC[m]Firefox is open source for the most part.Jan 15 01:15
DaemonFC[m]GNOME Web uses Webkit Content Blockers.Jan 15 01:15
DaemonFC[m]QtWebEngine is Chromium. I don't know if the limit is enforced.Jan 15 01:16
DaemonFC[m]Oddly, the web engine and GTK Webkit browsers are more Free than Firefox.Jan 15 01:16
DaemonFC[m]It makes no sense to even enable EME with WebkitGTK because they don't have a CDM module and wouldn't be interested in adding one even if Google offered them Widevine.Jan 15 01:17
XRevan86Android is more free than SailfishOS.Jan 15 01:17
DaemonFC[m]The license of GNOME Web would make including one impossible.Jan 15 01:18
DaemonFC[m]Web is GPL3.Jan 15 01:18
XRevan86Something about a close to monopoly status has less appeal to the FOSS crowd.Jan 15 01:18
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR I asked them about which GPL they meant a couple years ago and so the COPYING was changed to GPL 3 or later.Jan 15 01:19
DaemonFC[m]😁Jan 15 01:19
MinceR:>Jan 15 01:19
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux-based dev kits unlock TI’s new Jacinto 7 automotive SoCs []Jan 15 01:22
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Why You — Yes, You Too — Should Consider Migrating to GNU/Linux []Jan 15 01:22
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Stable kernels 5.4.12, 4.19.96, 4.14.165, 4.9.210 and 4.4.210 []Jan 15 01:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft patches big Windows flaw discovered by NSA - AxiosJan 15 01:48
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz NPR mentioned thatJan 15 01:50
schestowitzBill Gates-funded NPRJan 15 01:53
schestowitzI don't suppose they'll say it's a back doorJan 15 01:53
DaemonFC[m]No, they didn't.Jan 15 01:54
MinceRor that nsa knows so many 0-day vulnerabilities in Backdoors they don't need them allJan 15 01:54
DaemonFC[m]I keep them on in the car because classical music stops me from honking and giving people the finger so much.Jan 15 01:55
MinceRlolJan 15 01:55
schestowitzOne more for today's batch.Jan 15 01:57
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schestowitzsent to me...Jan 15 01:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Trump Campaign Adviser Pleads Guilty to Child Porn, Sex TraffickingJan 15 01:57
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Will alleged CIA misbehavior set Julian Assange free? | TheHillJan 15 01:59
schestowitz>> Any more info/photos would help a lot.Jan 15 02:10
schestowitz>>Jan 15 02:10
schestowitz> duckduckgoJan 15 02:10
schestowitz> Jan 15 02:10
schestowitz> search "osi board meeting"Jan 15 02:10
schestowitz> Jan 15 02:10
schestowitz> click the "Images" tabJan 15 02:10
schestowitz> Jan 15 02:10
schestowitz> this is one of the search resultsJan 15 02:10
schestowitz> Jan 15 02:10
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schestowitzThanks, I spent 10 minutes or so looking for additional ones, to no avail...Jan 15 02:10
schestowitzIf you know about text regarding this meeting, let me know.Jan 15 02:10
schestowitzReminds me of how RMS gave a talk at Microsoft without the FSF saying anything about it.Jan 15 02:10
schestowitzSame for Cohen at OSDL... because everyone quit and formed LF.Jan 15 02:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-FlickrJan 15 02:10
MinceR"dick-sucking contest"Jan 15 02:13
schestowitzfor moneyJan 15 02:17
schestowitzthey're a high-priced one...Jan 15 02:17
schestowitz$100,000Jan 15 02:18
schestowitzand they suckJan 15 02:18
schestowitzOSIJan 15 02:18
schestowitzI pasted in an article about osdl in another channelJan 15 02:18
schestowitzwill write about this tomorrowJan 15 02:18
schestowitzgnJan 15 02:18
MinceRo/Jan 15 02:27
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cubexyzXRevan86, it wasn't very well documentedJan 15 03:19
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cubexyzIngo Molnar wrote it, a redhat personJan 15 03:20
cubexyzHungarian I thinkJan 15 03:23
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cubexyzyeah tux is probably not in /usr/src/linux any moreJan 15 03:29
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DaemonFC[m]Yeah, Ingo Molnar. The one that made sure none of Con Kolivas's patchset got in.Jan 15 03:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Uber Driver Goes Double Speed Limit With Terrified Passenger, Company Offers Rider $5 CouponJan 15 03:47
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DaemonFC[m]My doctor sent my psychiatrist my labs.Jan 15 05:23
DaemonFC[m]My psychiatrist read them wrong and blurted out that I had Hepatitis B. So I raced to the doctor and asked what the hell was going on and why thye hadn't called.Jan 15 05:23
DaemonFC[m]What it actually said was the vaccine I got in 1984 was still good.Jan 15 05:24
DaemonFC[m]And that I was immune.Jan 15 05:24
DaemonFC[m]So while I was there they told me that they haven't had Hep A vaccines as childhood vaccinations for too long, so I rolled up my sleeve and got a vaccination for Hepatitis A.Jan 15 05:25
DaemonFC[m]Only abour 1500 cases per year in the US, but as a MSM and in a country that's being overran by Mexicans, what the hell?Jan 15 05:26
DaemonFC[m]I'm married, but it's just a shot, so eh.Jan 15 05:26
DaemonFC[m]Oh. 1500 in Illinois per year. 20000 in the US.Jan 15 05:27
DaemonFC[m]Well, fast food workers who don't wash theor hands, I guess.Jan 15 05:28
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers []Jan 15 06:29
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #GNOME 3.36 Will Feature an Improved Shell Theme (And It Looks Very Nice) []Jan 15 06:31
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schestowitzheadsup:Jan 15 06:57
schestowitzwe're talking to RMS about making a decentralised replacement for githubJan 15 06:58
schestowitzhe seems interestedJan 15 06:58
schestowitzWhen Linus "just a hobby, nothing professional like gnu" Torvalds started Git nobody thought it would become an industry standard. Everything starts small. Techrights built its own Git repo last month (work in progress).Jan 15 06:58
Hail_SpacecakeniceJan 15 06:58
Hail_Spacecakewho's we here?Jan 15 06:58
Hail_Spacecakealso are you aware of any of the efforts to do this using the activitypub ecosystem?Jan 15 06:59
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: When Microsoft's Actions Speak for Themselves (About Back Door Access) []Jan 15 07:30
schestowitz> Not a single article seen from Canonical on how to upgrade from Vista7Jan 15 08:02
schestowitz> to Ubuntu LTS.Jan 15 08:02
schestowitz> Jan 15 08:02
schestowitz> January is now half over already.Jan 15 08:02
schestowitzCanonical did one blog post about it.Jan 15 08:02
schestowitzBut that was it.Jan 15 08:03
DaemonFC[m]They don't care.Jan 15 08:03
schestowitztrueJan 15 08:03
DaemonFC[m]Desktop doesn't make them money.Jan 15 08:03
schestowitzthe money is in hostignJan 15 08:03
schestowitzwhich they do with amazon, microsoft etc.Jan 15 08:04
schestowitzthey say they got desktop support contracts thoughJan 15 08:04
schestowitzdidn't say  how many or how much forJan 15 08:04
DaemonFC[m]Unity got killed because it was just bleeding red ink from their other businesses.Jan 15 08:05
schestowitzrianne_ still uses unityJan 15 08:17
schestowitzit's not so awfulJan 15 08:17
schestowitzfor some anywayJan 15 08:17
schestowitzit's not for me, I hate GUIs where their sole purpose is clicking on some iconJan 15 08:17
schestowitzbetter ways that save screen space existJan 15 08:18
schestowitzkeyboard shortcut, cascading menus you can navigate quickly with a keyboard ones you practice...Jan 15 08:18
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: OSI Board at Microsoft: This is How Institutions Die or Completely Lose Their Purpose/Direction []Jan 15 08:28
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schestowitz"you would think, but a lot of core packages are on there. For example, shadow, linux-pam, bash-completion, and others. How many GNU/Linux distributions use shadow-utils? Basically all of them. It is rather shocking when you think about it."Jan 15 08:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Lucas Ramage 「ルーカス」:gentoo:: " you would think,…" - FosstodonJan 15 08:28
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in Techrights []Jan 15 08:35
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Ubuntu's Waiting for You, Canonical Tells Windows 7 Users []Jan 15 09:57
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Intel Patches Security Vulnerability in Linux and Windows Drivers []Jan 15 10:00
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Raspberry Pi 4: Chronicling the Desktop Experience – Reading Comics – Week 12 []Jan 15 10:02
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security: BIND, 5G, Boing Boing, Microsoft/NSA and Secure Hash Algorithm 1 (SHA-1) []Jan 15 10:06
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schestowitzdanielinux: hiJan 15 10:57
schestowitzare you a colleague of mr curl?Jan 15 10:58
danielinuxyessirJan 15 10:58
schestowitz:-)Jan 15 10:58
schestowitzsay hiJan 15 10:58
danielinuxwill doJan 15 10:58
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos []Jan 15 11:05
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Audiocasts/Shows: LINUX Unplugged, mintCast and Linux Headlines []Jan 15 11:08
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roygymJust met someone who knows owenJan 15 12:16
roygymHmmm .. Not down?Jan 15 12:16
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roygymAnnouncementJan 15 12:17
roygymHis web page became a fossil 15 12:18
roygymHe is from Louisiana originally iirc... Or AlabamaJan 15 12:18
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roygymSeems like my site crashed itJan 15 12:19
roygymOr techrights as a while is downJan 15 12:20
roygymCrapJan 15 12:20
roygymAs a wholeJan 15 12:20
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roygymOK. It is backJan 15 12:22
roygymDb checked I assumeJan 15 12:23
roygymSeems like db tidied up ..... Will be back online soonJan 15 12:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Rik FaithJan 15 12:43
roygymOwner where he is todayJan 15 12:43
roygymWonder ratherJan 15 12:43
roygymStupid autocorrect does more harm than goodJan 15 12:43
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | We Talk to Everybody | Linux JournalJan 15 12:45
roygym"people find Linux, stay for awhile and then part ways. And others? Well, for some, when it comes to Linux, once you hack, you'll never go back.Rik Faith is currently working with Precision Insight and, as such, gets to spend all of his work time “using and improving” Linux."Jan 15 12:46
roygymDirk Hohndel thereJan 15 12:46
roygymDirk has been involved with Linux since the early days. He was 24 and a student of mathematics/computer science at the University of Wurzburg in Germany. Working as a system administrator within the university, he “found postings from Linus in the comp.os.minix group, where he talked about a project of his.” Dirk wanted a UNIX operating systemJan 15 12:47
roygymfor his own machine. “FreeBSD didn't exist and 386BSD wasn't an option,” says Hohndel. Linux was the best choice, so he began to develop.Jan 15 12:47
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smnthermes> It supports a bunch of old style extensions that nobody is maintaining or is even sure still work.Jan 15 14:08
smnthermes> And not even all of those work. And mlst have bugs.Jan 15 14:08
smnthermesThere are many extensions specific for Pale Moon, and almost all XUL addons designed for Firefox still work. Also, Jan 15 14:08
smnthermes> Their server was breached and malware was added to the installers last year, apparentlyJan 15 14:08
smnthermesOnly the archive releases server was hacked, not the main oneJan 15 14:08
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Vulkan Graphics: Vulkan 1.2 and Beyong []Jan 15 16:30
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: DXVK, Cortex Command, Aeolis Tournament, Imperator: Rome, Vagrus, DOOM Eternal and Valve's 'Gamescope' []Jan 15 16:32
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XRevan86MinceR: They overwatched Doctor WhoJan 15 16:58
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XRevan86But really, how else can mirrors work in videogames? There aren't any photons there.Jan 15 17:00
MinceRphotons can be and rarely are simulated there :>Jan 15 17:01
MinceRthere was a raytracing quake or quake 2 or maybe bothJan 15 17:01
XRevan86MinceR: Fair, but that's expensive, no?Jan 15 17:02
MinceRindeedJan 15 17:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Ray tracing (graphics) - WikipediaJan 15 17:07
XRevan86> Ray tracing can create realistic-looking images.Jan 15 17:07
XRevan86That's some very realistic-looking glass…Jan 15 17:07
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XRevan86 got updated very quicklyJan 15 17:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Mikhail Mishustin - WikipediaJan 15 17:25
DaemonFC[m]> Only the archive releases server was hacked, not the main oneJan 15 17:34
DaemonFC[m]The thing is that the Linux release could have malware planted in it. Most distributions have safeguards against it with their software repos, but when you use software outside that you take your chances.Jan 15 17:34
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Context?Jan 15 17:39
DaemonFC[m]> it's not for me, I hate GUIs where their sole purpose is clicking on some iconJan 15 17:40
DaemonFC[m]> better ways that save screen space existJan 15 17:40
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz Unity has a autohide thing you can select.Jan 15 17:41
XRevan86ah, palemoonJan 15 17:41
DaemonFC[m]The GNOME Shell dock does too. The Ubuntu dock fork doesn't do it by default, but can be configured to.Jan 15 17:41
DaemonFC[m]XRevan86 Pale Moon. Yeah, I dont3like grab tarball, run program.Jan 15 17:42
DaemonFC[m]Not safe.Jan 15 17:42
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Release for CentOS Linux 8 (1911) []Jan 15 17:55
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: IPFire Linux Firewall Distribution Improves Its Intrusion Prevention System []Jan 15 17:56
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Oracle Releases VirtualBox 6.1.2 with Initial Support for Linux Kernel 5.5 []Jan 15 17:58
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Get Ready For The Manjaro Linux Laptop Explosion (Including AMD Ryzen Models) []Jan 15 17:59
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Moving from Windows 7 to Plasma? Do it the Easy Way! []Jan 15 18:00
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: LibreOffice, Firefox, Curl Receive Updates in Tumbleweed []Jan 15 18:06
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DaemonFC[m]Obviously, software repositories can be a security feature (open source, reproducible build, signed package, user free to use discretion on foreign packages), or a malicious anti-feature (the iOS App Store, where the user is not in control of anything and it's Apple who gets to decide if the phone can run anything at all). It's an example of how anything can be abused. Apple will certainly argue that the iOS App StoreJan 15 18:29
DaemonFC[m]is a security feature, which might be a knock on side effect if we can assume that competent reviewers are actually reviewing the source code of each individual app with a good understanding of what that code actually does (when the people making iOS make tens of thousands of programming errors themselves).Jan 15 18:29
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DaemonFC[m]But user security is not the main goal here. It's to enforce Apple's walled garden on anyone who has an iThing and to prevent them from using software that competes with Apple or does tasks that make it useful as a general purpose computer. And the Mac has been inching in this direction for years.Jan 15 18:31
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DaemonFC[m]If users care primarily about security and their freedom of choice, they would never agree to buy an Apple product. They've been described as computers with training wheels, but that assumed good faith on the part of Apple, which their censorship policies have not shown us.Jan 15 18:32
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*DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < >Jan 15 18:36
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DaemonFC[m] Knowing about the Government Backdoor in your iPhone , you may decide to avoid reading about anything you think the government will frown on. This is exactly how you'd expect citizens in North Korea or China to behave, but not America where we allegedly have freedom (but not really). This too serves a government purpose.Jan 15 18:39
DaemonFC[m]Unfortunately, one of the restrictions on the Apple things is that you cannot run the Tor browser, and they have forced VPN providers to cripple their VPN apps so as to be useless if you use an iPhone.Jan 15 18:39
MinceRif you check out which dictators and regimes does the president of the usa admire the most, you can see what direction the government of the usa is moving inJan 15 18:41
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, shaking hands with the people running Russia and North Korea.Jan 15 18:46
DaemonFC[m]He admires them for having no democracy. A dictatorship. No constitution that protects the rights of citizens.Jan 15 18:47
DaemonFC[m]He sees Congress and the courts, not as co-equal branches of government intended as safeguards for the public, but as obstacles to be knocked over, dismissed, and bypassed.Jan 15 18:49
DaemonFC[m]It's not surprising that he doesn't like the courts. He usually settles his own legal problems by using "fixers" to go pay his victims. Jan 15 18:50
DaemonFC[m]Whether he raped women or cheated them out of their money.Jan 15 18:50
DaemonFC[m]The president of the United States cheated child cancer victims with his fake charity that the New York government shut down. He's been banned from running anything else like the "Trump Foundation" because he was stealing from it, saying the money went to kids with cancer when it wasn't.Jan 15 18:51
DaemonFC[m]He's worse than a televangelist, because they just take money from people who believe that God will bless them for giving the televangelist golden toilets and air conditioned dog houses. They never said it went to cancer kids, and even some of them went to prison.Jan 15 18:52
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DaemonFC[m]Jim Bakker is back. He's selling end of the world supplies. They preach that Christians will be raptured and then say you need nasty vacuum packed potato soup for after that happens. Nothing says bet hedging like that, I guess. Either you have faith in God, or you don't.Jan 15 18:53
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MinceRi kind of like my chances with the world after the people suffering from christinsanity get raptured from it :>Jan 15 19:00
MinceRtoo bad it will never happenJan 15 19:00
XRevan86faith in God *and* potato soupJan 15 19:04
XRevan86Is it like pharaohs? Get buried with potato soup and it'll transition with you to the afterlifeJan 15 19:05
MinceRlolJan 15 19:05
MinceRso there's no food in "heaven"Jan 15 19:05
XRevan86there's a lot of flesh thoughJan 15 19:06
XRevan86and meatJan 15 19:06
MinceR:>Jan 15 19:06
XRevan86and woodJan 15 19:06
MinceRwhat happens to people who get eaten in heaven?Jan 15 19:06
XRevan86and chernozemJan 15 19:07
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Qubes OS 4.0.3-rc1 has been released! []Jan 15 19:17
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: sed-4.8 released []Jan 15 19:31
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DaemonFC[m]      ntdll/tests: Fix expected RtlIpv6StringToAddress terminator output.Jan 15 19:38
DaemonFC[m]The RtlIpv6StringToAddress Terminator. Skynet isn't very creative, is it?Jan 15 19:39
MinceRskynet is unlikely to evolve from microsloth products, as the latter don't workJan 15 19:39
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Red Hat: OpenShift Releases, FIPS 140-2 and More []Jan 15 19:44
DaemonFC[m]My probation officer said how cold it was last month.Jan 15 19:45
DaemonFC[m]I said, "Yeah, it was so cold I saw a lawyer, a landlord, a banker, and a doctor and they all had their hands in their own pockets!".Jan 15 19:45
MinceR:>Jan 15 19:49
MinceRno politicians?Jan 15 19:49
DaemonFC[m]Well, given that a probation officer is a combination of a bureaucrat and law enforcement, I wanted to stay away from the political fray. :)Jan 15 19:51
MinceR:>Jan 15 19:51
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schestowitzlovely cat, MinceRJan 15 20:18
schestowitz"I find yo' lack of dogs DISTURBING!"Jan 15 20:19
MinceRno thanksJan 15 20:19
schestowitzyou said they're bastardisation of wolvesJan 15 20:20
schestowitzor something along those lines...Jan 15 20:20
schestowitzdifferent wordingJan 15 20:20
MinceRyesJan 15 20:21
MinceRhumans corrupted wolves into dogsJan 15 20:21
schestowitztrueJan 15 20:21
schestowitznot they cannot survive on their ownJan 15 20:21
schestowitz'meat farms'Jan 15 20:21
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schestowitzyou have pets?Jan 15 20:37
MinceRi don'tJan 15 20:37
schestowitzwe though about a bunny, but they're hard to keep when going awayJan 15 20:37
schestowitzbetter to keep more wild spaceJan 15 20:37
schestowitzand let animals do their thing thereJan 15 20:37
MinceRin this pathetic excuse for a capital city, i live in a concrete/paper box that is unfit even for human habitationJan 15 20:37
schestowitznot as domestic petsJan 15 20:37
MinceRcats visit my holiday house but i don't spend enough time there to take care of any petsJan 15 20:37
schestowitzMinceR: I saw that in east Berlin, I thinkJan 15 20:38
schestowitzI did not like the architecture thereJan 15 20:38
schestowitzalso photos I see of such buildings... they were imitated in some placeJan 15 20:38
schestowitzconcrete 'shoeboxes'Jan 15 20:38
schestowitzoverpriced for what they areJan 15 20:38
MinceRit's what the communist inner party members called "apartments" while they lived in cushy houses they killed the former inhabitants ofJan 15 20:38
schestowitzsingapore makes them even small, KH alsoJan 15 20:38
schestowitzbut with some more metal and glass, that's cheaperJan 15 20:39
schestowitzwe lived in an apartment beforeJan 15 20:39
schestowitznot going back to thoseJan 15 20:39
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schestowitzdog upstairs, complaining ones below...Jan 15 20:39
schestowitznext door a girlfriend beaterJan 15 20:40
schestowitz(police came)Jan 15 20:40
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DaemonFC[m]> it's what the communist inner party members called "apartments" while they lived in cushy houses they killed the former inhabitants ofJan 15 22:36
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, they end up being as bad as anything that came about in Capitalism.Jan 15 22:36
DaemonFC[m]There's always a ruling class even though that should be impossible under Communism.Jan 15 22:36
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: When talking about stuff like that you simply ought to use the right terminology.Jan 15 22:36
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XRevan86"Socialism" or "Dictatorship of the Proletariat"Jan 15 22:37
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XRevan86that's what was advertised after allJan 15 22:37
XRevan86It's like saying that the US is a Democratic Republic %)Jan 15 22:40
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MinceRXRevan86: they did advertise it as communismJan 15 23:01
MinceRthey even called their party the hungarian communist party until they pulled a microsoft on itJan 15 23:01
XRevan86MinceR: It's like saying that if the Green party wins, then the state automatically turns green.Jan 15 23:02
MinceRwould be niceJan 15 23:02
schestowitzXRevan86: do you know bogdanoff?Jan 15 23:02
MinceRand at least in some ways, it really wouldJan 15 23:02
XRevan86MinceR: here's another catchphraseJan 15 23:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Real socialism - WikipediaJan 15 23:03
MinceR:>Jan 15 23:03
MinceR"existing socialism"Jan 15 23:03
XRevan86schestowitz: It's a common surname…Jan 15 23:03
MinceR 15 23:04
XRevan86MinceR: When the CPSU realised their programme on building communism isn't working out, they've came up with that.Jan 15 23:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Hungarian Communist Party - WikipediaJan 15 23:04
XRevan86MinceR: Or maybe Brezhnev himself came up, dunnoJan 15 23:04
MinceR:>Jan 15 23:04
XRevan86The idea being that no communism in the foreseeable future, but This is Fine.Jan 15 23:05
XRevan86MinceR: What are you trying to say with the link?Jan 15 23:05
XRevan86schestowitz: Can you clarify?Jan 15 23:06
MinceRnot much, i just was unsure and so looked it upJan 15 23:06
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XRevan86I've noticed that in English "Communism" and anything "Communist" are concepts merged together, so everything's Communism what any Communist's hand touches, like an American's hand with Freedom.Jan 15 23:08
schestowitzXRevan86: I think it's the name of some comedian...Jan 15 23:08
schestowitzor something..Jan 15 23:08
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schestowitzI found it in a meme siteJan 15 23:08
MinceRi wish the american's hand worked like thatJan 15 23:09
schestowitzoff means son?Jan 15 23:09
MinceRalso, using "socialis{t,m}" and "communis{t,m}" lightly is not specific to english or the USAJan 15 23:09
XRevan86schestowitz: It means… of %)Jan 15 23:09
schestowitzdo you know this guy? 15 23:09
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MinceRshouldn't be surprising considering what the russians and their sycophants said and didJan 15 23:10
MinceRlike "communism with chinese characteristics"Jan 15 23:10
XRevan86schestowitz: I do now: 15 23:10
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schestowitzph. French...Jan 15 23:11
XRevan86MinceR: Did anyone actually say that?Jan 15 23:11
MinceRisn't that what the chinese communist party members say all the time?Jan 15 23:11
MinceRoh, they said "socialism with chinese characteristics"Jan 15 23:12
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Socialism with Chinese characteristics - WikipediaJan 15 23:12
XRevan86MinceR: Anyway, I just didn't like that DaemonFC[m] merged these two together, caused a contradiction and then pointed it out.Jan 15 23:12
MinceRhe wasn't the one to merge them together, it's an old practiceJan 15 23:12
XRevan86MinceR: Does it matter? I point out that this kind of approach to terminology caused the confusion. And it's not even possible to sort it out without first setting the record straight.Jan 15 23:14
MinceRi'm not sure where the confusion isJan 15 23:14
XRevan86MinceR: It's not possible to have a ruling class in Communism, but somehow Hungary has it. Checkmate, atheists.Jan 15 23:14
MinceRwhich of those terms does accurately apply to totalitarian dictatorship in your view?Jan 15 23:14
XRevan86* had itJan 15 23:14
MinceRbut it's possible to have a ruling class in socialism?Jan 15 23:15
XRevan86MinceR: Is it possible to have Trump in a democracy?Jan 15 23:15
MinceRyes, but he wouldn't be able to do much of what he'd like to, in a democracyJan 15 23:16
XRevan86At least that's out of the oxymoron area and in the grey areaJan 15 23:16
MinceRalso, in a functioning democracy, he would have needed to have an actual majority to get electedJan 15 23:16
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: The Chinese characteristics being the same as all other Communists.Jan 15 23:16
XRevan86MinceR: So basically, socialism like democracy in the USJan 15 23:17
XRevan86MinceR: Kinda, sorta, not reallyJan 15 23:17
DaemonFC[m]Absolute disregard for life chief among them.Jan 15 23:17
MinceRDaemonFC[m]: that's kind of a general human thing thoughJan 15 23:17
MinceRas you can see, humans are doing a lot of things they can to ensure the extinction of their own speciesJan 15 23:18
MinceR(though if you asked one, they'd be adamant that they want to survive and they want the species to survive)Jan 15 23:18
XRevan86"Socialism with Chinese characteristics" – with the word "soclialism" instead of "communism" that sounds like a real thing some comparty would come up withJan 15 23:18
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Well, several thousand Chinese coal miners die every year.Jan 15 23:19
DaemonFC[m]They don't bother to have a Mine Safety and Health Agency like the US does.Jan 15 23:19
DaemonFC[m]There's more people where they came from.Jan 15 23:19
DaemonFC[m]Some US coal miners die, but not an alarming number.Jan 15 23:19
MinceR:>Jan 15 23:19
XRevan86By best practices of Stalinism, they shave internationalism out from the core of the ideology.Jan 15 23:20
MinceRthe MSHA seems to be a relic of an earlier eraJan 15 23:20
MinceRnot this one, where they're even trying to abolish the EPAJan 15 23:20
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DaemonFC[m]> not this one, where they're even trying to abolish the EPAJan 15 23:21
DaemonFC[m]Court action has forced the EPA to do its job an alarming number of times lately.Jan 15 23:21
XRevan86I don't know a whole lot about China (scientes is the guy to ask about that), but I'm pretty sure Stalin is an important ideological figure there.Jan 15 23:22
XRevan86An inspiration to Mao, etc.Jan 15 23:22
XRevan86schestowitz: They really don't look like twins, which isn't really surprising %).Jan 15 23:23
schestowitzthey look outlandishJan 15 23:24
schestowitzwhich i guess can be good if they did comedyJan 15 23:24
XRevan86schestowitz: Plastic surgery is rarely done for comedic effect…Jan 15 23:26
DaemonFC[m]Communists have a thing for mummifying their leaders.Jan 15 23:27
DaemonFC[m]There are some statues to some former US presidents that people thought did an outstanding job.Jan 15 23:27
XRevan86That is also started by Stalin…Jan 15 23:27
DaemonFC[m]Washington and Lincoln are about the only two that even got much of that.Jan 15 23:27
DaemonFC[m]Lincoln's body was preserved enough so that the funeral train stopping throughout the country on the way back to Illinois could display it to a grieving nation.Jan 15 23:29
DaemonFC[m]But it was buried in the end. There was a plot to steal his body and ransom it, but it was infiltrated by the police and it resulted in him being exhumed and buried and emtombed in cement this time.Jan 15 23:29
DaemonFC[m]The plot to steal his corpse was like 30-some years after he died and his body was still in "good" condition at that time according to the people who exhumed it.Jan 15 23:30
DaemonFC[m]Washington had near unanimous support and there were some that wanted him to be a king.Jan 15 23:31
DaemonFC[m]He set the precedent of limiting himself to two terms in office. While it wasn't required, most presidents followed that. Two terms wasn't added to the constitution until after FDR died in his fourth term.Jan 15 23:32
XRevan86Lenin preservation story is pretty much the same, except for the endingJan 15 23:32
DaemonFC[m]The problem that this amendment solved is the one Russia is dealing with now.Jan 15 23:32
DaemonFC[m]Even if the elections were not rigged, Putin could theoretically be around forever if he could get enough real votes.Jan 15 23:32
MinceRbut could he?Jan 15 23:33
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: With media control that's not that hard.Jan 15 23:33
MinceRwell, obviously centralized control of the media is incompatible with democracyJan 15 23:33
DaemonFC[m]I hear he wants to transfer powers to the Prime Minister so he's not just sitting there waiting to be the president again.Jan 15 23:33
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Yes, something like that.Jan 15 23:34
DaemonFC[m]Their constitution forced him to pretend Dmitry Medvedev was the president for a little while.Jan 15 23:34
XRevan86It seems like he's not planning to prolong his presidency another time.Jan 15 23:34
DaemonFC[m]Then they switched things around again.Jan 15 23:34
XRevan86Instead going the Nazarbayev route.Jan 15 23:34
DaemonFC[m]His policies have managed to leave Russia in ruins.Jan 15 23:35
MinceRwhat's the nazarbayev route?Jan 15 23:35
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: The problem with that is of course that a new person is always risk.Jan 15 23:35
DaemonFC[m]If he actually had to win an election, I'm not sure how he would.Jan 15 23:35
XRevan86MinceR: Nursultan Nazarbayev is no longer president of KazakhstanJan 15 23:35
MinceRwhat's his position?Jan 15 23:35
XRevan86an honourary country leader or somethingJan 15 23:36
MinceRso how does he exercise actual political power?Jan 15 23:36
XRevan86but as people think he has the current president on a short leashJan 15 23:36
DaemonFC[m]When they were losing control of Ukraine, they poisoned the President with dioxin and he survived.Jan 15 23:36
XRevan86MinceR: And he also kept his party leader status, state security chief and a member of the constitutional councilJan 15 23:38
XRevan86* and membershipJan 15 23:38
MinceRicJan 15 23:39
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DaemonFC[m]HehJan 15 23:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Parliamentary immunity - WikipediaJan 15 23:39
XRevan86So he's kind of a General Secretary now %)Jan 15 23:39
DaemonFC[m]Indiana has partial immunity for legislators. They can't be arrested if it will interfere with their official business as a legislator.Jan 15 23:40
MinceR"It has just been revoked!"Jan 15 23:40
DaemonFC[m]If one went to jail, they'd have to be released from jail long enough to do their official business and then report back to the jail.Jan 15 23:40
DaemonFC[m]It's happened, just not recently.Jan 15 23:41
DaemonFC[m]Most just resign if the charge is bad enough. Jan 15 23:41
DaemonFC[m]A Republican man who had introduced a proposed constittutional amendment banning gay marriage tried to pay an 17 year old man for sex.Jan 15 23:42
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DaemonFC[m]When Mr. Hinkle (the state representative in question) told the teenager who he was, the guy didn't want to do it anymore, but Hinkle apparently showed his legislative ID and said he'd get the state police to arrest the teenager.Jan 15 23:43
DaemonFC[m]He then gave the teenager his iPad and watch and a bunch of cash to try to get him to keep quiet and then left the motel room.Jan 15 23:43
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I suppose there's an obvious explanation for the most anti-gay Republican men being caught with men/boys. You need field research into what you're attempting to legislate.Jan 15 23:55
MinceR:>Jan 15 23:57
MinceRas if they ever cared about the actual circumstances and effects of their legislationJan 15 23:57
XRevan86 15 23:57
MinceRare they preparing to perform the USA's most famous extreme sport?Jan 15 23:59

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