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tedbox2[20:19] <DaemonFC[m]> Vivaldi's CEO says they won't block ads because they fund the web and adding ad blocking to the Android version isn't something they're looking into.Feb 15 03:18
tedbox2your browser should have no CEOFeb 15 03:18
DaemonFC[m]Netsurf?Feb 15 03:20
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psydreadI built Netsurf 3.9 and git yesterday, it seems to work a bit better nowFeb 15 05:46
psydreadand it doesn't take ages to buildFeb 15 05:47
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psydread> [20:19] <DaemonFC[m]> Vivaldi's CEO says they won't block ads because they fund the web and adding ad blocking to the Android version isn't something they're looking into.Feb 15 10:08
psydread> your browser should have no CEOFeb 15 10:08
psydreadThe web shouldn't have to be funded by ads or that instance of the web is faulty and needs to be replaced.Feb 15 10:08
psydreadSigned, the CEO of the InternetFeb 15 10:08
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*Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012Feb 15 13:06
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: Vivaldi's solution works for Vivaldi on the User Agent.Feb 15 19:02
DaemonFC[m]Just drop the Vivaldi bit so Google and a few other sites quit fucking with them, but keep it on search engines so their royalties keep coming in.Feb 15 19:03
DaemonFC[m]But if Firefox tried saying Chrome all sorts of bad stuff would happen. For example, Youtube wouldn't work at all because it's written in "special code" that doesn't conform to any standard if you say "Chrome".Feb 15 19:04
DaemonFC[m]So this "deprecating the User Agent" idea Google has is interesting.Feb 15 19:04
DaemonFC[m]But they certainly have ways to sniff for their own browser.Feb 15 19:04
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DaemonFC[m]The "user agent" has been a disaster, and if it changes just a little bit you have no idea what a site will do.Feb 15 19:05
superkuhI like "user agent". It's helpful to me as an individual. I don't really care that giant businesses don't like it.Feb 15 19:05
DaemonFC[m]It's now going on for a paragraph in some browsers, because they're Mozilla, Netscape, IE, Edge, the other Edge, Webkit, Safari, Chrome, Firefox, KHTML.....Feb 15 19:05
superkuhI don't think giant business motives should drive our protocols.Feb 15 19:06
DaemonFC[m]If you load Seamonkey 2.53 beta, it breaks stuff because it includes "Lightning" in the user agent and sites don't know what that means.Feb 15 19:06
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DaemonFC[m]Seamonkey shares the mail code with Thunderbird, and Lightning modifies the user agent of Thunderbird.Feb 15 19:07
DaemonFC[m]No harm there because nobody is browsing with Thunderbird. But when it adds Lightning to the Seamonkey user agent, bad stuff happens.Feb 15 19:07
DaemonFC[m]One of those things is that Google's search box looks weird and doesn't accept text input on search result pages.Feb 15 19:08
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DaemonFC[m]The maintainer of Opus now works at Amazon.Feb 15 20:41
DaemonFC[m]Mozilla apparently quietly showed him to the door last year. To make room for another Global Diversity Officer or something, I guess.Feb 15 20:42
DaemonFC[m]I'm assuming that's why active development of Opus has basically stopped.Feb 15 20:43
DaemonFC[m]I'm sort of surprised Google didn't hire him for something. They have Youtube to consider. The lower their bandwidth costs, the better. They already use 64k Opus and hardly anyone would notice.Feb 15 20:44
DaemonFC[m]Maybe Opus is basically what it is at this point though.Feb 15 20:45
DaemonFC[m]LAME only had heavy development on improving MP3 quality from around 2000 or so to around 2011.Feb 15 20:46
DaemonFC[m]They started with the handicap of the format not intending to be an open one. You had to pay $400 just to read the ISO standard, and you still had no idea how to make a good MP3 encoder after reading that.Feb 15 20:47
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DaemonFC[m]The ISO demonstration code was deliberately awful so that nobody would actually want to compile and use it and would license a proprietary one instead.Feb 15 20:48
DaemonFC[m]Once LAME decided to move past just making dist10 faster and write an actual encoder, they had to basically reverse engineer what the FhG codecs did when you used them.Feb 15 20:48
DaemonFC[m]So I'm actually not shocked that FhG's later codecs and LAME score about equally well on listening tests.Feb 15 20:49
DaemonFC[m]The only modern way to encode an MP3 and get bad results is use the one Apple ships.Feb 15 20:49
DaemonFC[m]They implemented their own codec, and their decoder violates the standard in ways that make perfectly compliant MP3s behave oddly.Feb 15 20:50
DaemonFC[m]LAME and the Windows codec (just a licensed FhG) and Helix (if you can still find that) do well. Apple's does not.Feb 15 20:51
DaemonFC[m]For a while, OpenSUSE shipped a version of Banshee with an MP3 encoder. Real Networks paid the license for Novell to ship Helix.Feb 15 20:51
DaemonFC[m]I was very pleased with the quality relative to LAME.Feb 15 20:52
DaemonFC[m]Even without the ASM on in the build, it was still more than twice as fast as LAME for encoding MP3 files, which was a remarkable improvement on a computer in 2007-2008 or so.Feb 15 20:53
DaemonFC[m]One a Core 2 Duo I was using, running two encoding threads, Helix could encode at over 300x real speed and LAME was plodding along at only about 120x.Feb 15 20:54
DaemonFC[m]This was with the "new vbr" on LAME that was about 1/3rd faster than the old one.Feb 15 20:55
DaemonFC[m]I'm really surprise that nobody ever did much with Helix. It's open source.Feb 15 20:55
DaemonFC[m]There's a Windows EXE of it floating around on Rarewares.Feb 15 20:57
DaemonFC[m]It says it was pulled from the CVS in 2005.Feb 15 20:57
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DaemonFC[m]Microsoft had claimed WMA was basically as good as Opus is now, 20 years ago. Everyone on the internet who reviewed it laughed at them and pointed out that MIcrosoft even cheated in their own comparison by pulling in a version of LAME that used dist10.Feb 15 21:40
DaemonFC[m]dist10 was broken in a number of ways, like not uing Mid/Side stereo and not allocating long and short blocks efficiently. Feb 15 21:41
DaemonFC[m]I think, actually, it only encoded the right audio channel. Come to think of it.Feb 15 21:42
DaemonFC[m]The Readme that comes with it alludes to the fact that it isn't very good and you were supposed to license a proprietary encoder.Feb 15 21:43
DaemonFC[m]But it doesn't go into all the ways it was broken.Feb 15 21:43
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DaemonFC[m]The ISO demands code that demonstrates how you implement a standard.Feb 15 21:46
DaemonFC[m]So companies dump in code that's so bad nobody would use it and say "You could do things this way if you want an MP3 with only right channel audio and lots of pre-echo.".Feb 15 21:46
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: not exactly with mp3.   With mp3 they released working code except with so many patents over it using it was not exactly practical.Feb 15 22:24
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: basically after you disabled all the parts of the code ISO got that was patent covered it was worthless.Feb 15 22:25
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