●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, August 15, 2022 ●● ● Aug 15 [00:05] DaemonFC House: "30% of fathers don't know they're raising someone else's kid." [00:05] DaemonFC I wonder if that figure is anything close to accurate. [00:06] DaemonFC https://www.menshealth.com/trending-news/a19543127/fathers-and-kids-parenting-fraud/ [00:06] TR Bot and Kids: Parenting Fraud at MensHealth.com [00:06] DaemonFC 3.85% according to this. [00:07] DaemonFC "According to a 2005 U.S. Census Bureau report, there are 27,940,000 fathers nationwide with a child under 18. That means over a million guys out there are taking care of some other man's kid." [00:08] DaemonFC Many men in Connaro's position might not feel the same way. Studies show that evolution has designed men to care deeply about who their children are. In 2003, for instance, researchers at the State University of New York at Albany recruited 20 men and 20 women, then morphed their facial features with photographs of children. Subsequent testing showed that the women responded equally to photos of kids whose faces resembled theirs and those that [00:08] DaemonFC resembled the faces of strangers. The men, on the other hand, reacted far more positively to children whose faces resembled their own. [00:08] DaemonFC "It's not reproductively beneficial to invest all your resources in a child who is not carrying on your genetic line," says study author Rebecca Burch, Ph.D. "Men throughout the history of the species who have invested all their time and energy in children who weren't theirs no longer have genes in the population." [00:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [00:39] *gde33 (~gde33@84-106-154-98.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) has joined #techrights [00:52] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:57] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [00:57] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [00:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 14.16 k/sec., IPFS upstream 126.85 average k/sec., average swarm size 130.90 ● Aug 15 [01:10] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [01:10] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [01:12] TR News (New Entry): Linus Torvalds: Linux 6.0-rc1 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Linus_Torvalds_Linux_6_0_rc1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Linus_Torvalds_Linux_6_0_rc1.gmi [01:12] TR Bot Tux Machines Linus Torvalds: Linux 6.0-rc1 [01:13] *XFaCE has quit (Quit: Retiring completely for now ("Automatic for the people, thanks for all the fish")) [01:14] *prurigro has quit (Quit: Quitting) [01:17] *XFaCE (~XFaCE@uzfeivw9fp6ba.irc) has joined #techrights [01:19] *prurigro (~prurigro@uzfeivw9fp6ba.irc) has joined #techrights [01:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [01:26] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #techrights [01:45] *bnchs has quit (Quit: leaving) [01:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 12.16 k/sec., IPFS upstream 148.96 average k/sec., average swarm size 126.81 ● Aug 15 [02:12] *Helenah (~s98259@wzs8dse5xhnbw.irc) has joined #techrights [02:13] Helenah DaemonFC: Yeah, father and child parenting fraud is bad. :( [02:13] techuser cuddlybear66 can also say something on parenting I think, but she is probably asleep [02:14] Helenah I wouldn't quite call it fraud though, it doesn't involve cash. :D [02:14] Helenah Hi techuser :3 [02:18] Helenah Honestly though, no matter the circumstances, if someone is to raise someone elses child then they need to be aware that it's someone elses child. [02:18] Helenah No two ways about it! [02:18] AdmFubar https://torrentfreak.com/anti-piracy-group-sent-dmca-notices-on-behalf-of-indicted-copyright-swindlers-220814/ [02:18] TR Bot Group Continued to Send DMCA Notices on Behalf of Indicted Copyright Swindlers * TorrentFreak [02:19] Helenah How I see it is "How would you like it if you sell software that feeds your family, clothes them, puts a roof over their head and cunts come along and steal it?" [02:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [02:23] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [02:23] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [02:23] britney Hi Helenah :D [02:24] Helenah Hi hi britney :3 [02:27] britney Helenah, how are you doing? [02:28] Helenah britney: Good thanks, and you? [02:29] britney Helenah, im good too =) [02:29] Helenah :D [02:31] Helenah "It's not reproductively beneficial to invest all your resources in a child who is not carrying on your genetic line," says study author Rebecca Burch, Ph.D. "Men throughout the history of the species who have invested all their time and energy in children who weren't theirs no longer have genes in the population." [02:31] Helenah They are, in other words, extinct. [02:31] Helenah That's... bullshit lol [02:31] Helenah How can you call a gene line extinct because genes from an individual in that line were never passed down? [02:31] Helenah That's ridiculous. [02:32] Helenah What about other people in that gene line, or other gene lines with gene variants that are the same? [02:32] Helenah lol [02:35] britney speaking of genes, 23andme is pretty cool [02:39] Helenah depends [02:40] TR News Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-140822.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-140822.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-social-140822.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-140822.txt [02:40] TR Bot IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, August 14, 2022 [02:40] Helenah They only test about 0.03% (If I remember correctly) of your DNA [02:40] Helenah and erm... [02:41] TR News Yesterday's #techrights IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-140822.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-140822.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techrights-140822.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techrights-140822.txt [02:41] TR Bot IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, August 14, 2022 [02:41] Helenah regardless of whether it's 0.03% or 100%, you still need all members of your family tested. [02:41] AdmFubar https://www.wired.com/story/john-deere-tractor-jailbreak-defcon-2022/ [02:41] TR Bot New Jailbreak for John Deere Tractors Rides the Right-to-Repair Wave | WIRED [02:41] Helenah Because lets say... [02:41] Helenah You come back with German in you [02:42] Helenah Your brother/sister however might come back with Spanish in them. [02:42] Helenah As an example [02:42] TR News Yesterday's #boycottnovell IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-140822.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-140822.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-140822.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-140822.txt [02:42] TR Bot IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, August 14, 2022 [02:42] Helenah Basically your father has a pair of genes [02:42] Helenah and your mother has her own pair of genes [02:43] Helenah And when they come together, they go through something called recombination [02:43] DaemonFC And everyone has diarrhea sometimes because that runs in your jeans. [02:43] TR News Yesterday's #techbytes IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-140822.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-140822.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techbytes-140822.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techbytes-140822.txt [02:43] TR Bot IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, August 14, 2022 [02:43] AdmFubar https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/14/23305200/iphone-more-ads-advertising-apple-maps-podcasts-books-mark-gurman-rumors [02:43] TR Bot Apple may soon bring more ads to your iPhone - The Verge [02:43] Helenah Which is basically your mother and fathers genomes coming together to create a new genome [02:43] Helenah Chromosome 1 for example in your mother, in your father and in you is different and you all got two of them. :) [02:44] Helenah Your Chromosome 1's for example is rebuilt from your parents Chromosome 1's [02:44] TR News Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-08-14.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-08-14.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now) [02:44] Helenah So that's 4 Chromosome 1's to make 2 new ones. :D [02:44] Helenah See? [02:44] Helenah But the DNA information you got from 23andMe [02:45] Helenah is only suitable for ancestry purposes, that's all, it can't be used for medical purposes. [02:45] Helenah It will not reveal everything you are susceptible to, it will not reveal every single one of your traits. [02:45] Helenah But if you want this sort of information than get a test from Nebula Genomics which is gonna cost you a lot of money. lol [02:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 50.48 k/sec., IPFS upstream 118.05 average k/sec., average swarm size 122.85 ● Aug 15 [03:02] Helenah These damn bots! [03:02] IPFS Gemini requests since start of month: 125826 total Total number of pages in capsule: 42139 Active: active (running) since Thu 2022-08-04 09:15:14 BST; 1 weeks 3 days ago [03:03] IPFS IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated. TotalIn: 6.0 GB TotalOut: 1.6 GB [03:04] IPFS New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled. [03:04] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [03:06] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [03:07] *jkl has quit (Quit: Gone.) [03:09] *jkl (~jkl@freenode/user/jkl) has joined #techrights [03:10] *bnchs (~bnchs@f7mva2yn5jku4.irc) has joined #techrights [03:15] *bnchs has quit (Quit: leaving) [03:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [03:40] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [03:40] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [03:49] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 14.46 k/sec., IPFS upstream 112.91 average k/sec., average swarm size 129.21 ● Aug 15 [04:06] schestowitz[TR2] hi, Helenah [04:06] Helenah hi schestowitz[TR2] [04:06] Helenah :D [04:07] TR News #Techrights Bulletin for Sunday, August 14, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [04:07] TR Bot Bulletin Archives [04:07] TR News #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [04:07] TR Bot Techrights Full IPFS Index [04:09] TR News [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D323.jpg [04:09] TR News [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D674.jpg [04:16] DaemonFC I wouldn't quite call it fraud though, it doesn't involve cash. :D [04:16] DaemonFC It costs a lot of money to raise a child. [04:16] DaemonFC If 4% of men are tricked into raising kids that aren't even theirs, that's a lot of money. [04:17] Helenah DaemonFC: Er... [04:17] Helenah I wasn't meaning in that way... [04:17] TR News Some more coverage now from Bobby Borisov. SparkyLinux 6.4 Is Here as the Fourth Update in the 6.x Series https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/13/Sparky_6_4.shtml [04:17] TR Bot Tux Machines Sparky 6.4 (UPDATED) [04:17] Helenah That's not illegal cash, is it? [04:17] Helenah and I thought fraud involved illegal cash? [04:18] DaemonFC Theft by deception. [04:18] DaemonFC Of course, it's women doing it, so the state will never interfere, especially since they can order men who aren't even the father to pay support. [04:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [04:20] TR News "Linus has released 6.0-rc1 and closed the merge window for this release." https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Linus_Torvalds_Linux_6_0_rc1.shtml [04:20] TR Bot Tux Machines Linux 6.0-rc1 (UPDATED) [04:21] TR News "Josh and Kurt talk about our lack of security and some of the data bias problems that can emerge. A lot of what we think is security data is really just biased data. This is OK as long as we understand the data is broken and know this is the first step in a longer journey." https://opensourcesecurity.io/2022/08/14/episode-336-we-dont-have-data-data-we-have-security-biases/ [04:21] TR Bot Episode 336 We dont have data data, we have security biases Open Source Security [04:22] Helenah 03:18 Theft by deception. [04:22] Helenah 03:18 Of course, it's women doing it, so the state will never interfere, especially since they can order men who aren't even the father to pay support. [04:22] Helenah Yes, I prefer the term "Theft by deception" [04:22] Helenah it's more accurate. [04:22] Helenah Plus "fraud" is a broad term relating to all things illegal cash. [04:22] Helenah Anyway... [04:23] Helenah "It's women doing it, so the state will never interfere" Dafuq?! [04:23] Helenah "they can order men who aren't even the father to pay support", What?! [04:24] Helenah How is that even ever logical? [04:24] Helenah To force someone who is not the father of a child to pay for it. [04:24] Helenah I mean I can understand if that man adopts the child then they've to be a responsible father towards it. [04:25] Helenah Damn it's not even logical how they treat women different to men... o.O [04:26] Helenah If I was expected to pay for someone elses child, whoever is expecting that of me can go to hell! :D [04:26] Helenah Well they can go to hell if there isn't good reason why I should have to pay for that child. LOL [04:27] Helenah Surely it isn't as simple as that, right? What criteria does a man have to meet with a child or the childs mother before he has to pay for it? [04:27] Helenah Like is it as simple as a relationship? What is it? [04:29] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Leaving) [04:29] TR News iTWire - Myths spread about news media bargaining code before review lands https://itwire.com/open-sauce/myths-spread-about-news-media-bargaining-code-before-review-lands.html Source: itwire | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//itwire.com/open-sauce/myths-spread-about-news-media-bargaining-code-before-review-lands.html [04:29] TR Bot - Myths spread about news media bargaining code before review lands [04:30] TR News Limine 3.16 compiled in OE https://bkhome.org/news/202208/limine-316-compiled-in-oe.html EasyOS and OE need to dump Microsoft GitHub [04:30] TR Bot Limine 3.16 compiled in OE [04:32] TR News "Our garage Linux server has died, and this time were looking at data loss. We attempt to revive our zombie box and reflect on what went wrong." https://feed.jupiter.zone/allshows#entry-8704 [04:33] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [04:33] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [04:34] TR News Web caching is hard https://current.workingdirectory.net/posts/2022/web-caching-is-hard/ [04:34] TR Bot Jamie McClelland | Web caching is hard [04:34] Helenah Idk I mean you're an IRC network, what data loss is there to be found on a fucked up IRC server when such configurations are usually duplicated and if not then easily backed up anyway? [04:34] Helenah Sounds like nonsense if you ask me... 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[04:41] britney I love lynx [04:43] TR News Now Simon Sharwood with his typical clickbait on Torvalds and Linux: Linux 6.0 debuts, missing some Rusty bits https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Linus_Torvalds_Linux_6_0_rc1.shtml [04:43] TR Bot Tux Machines Linux 6.0-rc1 (UPDATEDx2) [04:47] TR News "TechRepublic Academy" = diploma mill spam, symptom of the site giving up on anything that resembles reporting. [04:50] TR News (New Entry): How Nvidia's Open-Source Drivers Will Impact Linux Gamers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/How_Nvidia_s_Open_Source_Drivers_Will_Impact_Linux_Gamers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/How_Nvidia_s_Open_Source_Drivers_Will_Impact_Linux_Gamers.gmi [04:50] TR Bot Tux Machines How Nvidia's Open-Source Drivers Will Impact Linux Gamers [04:57] TR News "Applications and their infrastructure (functions, queues, permissions, runtime) have always been closely intertwined. 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Our newest tutorial shows you how to use this WiFi data connection to then visualize your data in real time on an IoT Dashboard." https://learn.sparkfun.com/tutorials/sending-sensor-data-over-wifi [05:03] TR Bot Sensor Data Over WiFi - learn.sparkfun.com [05:08] *techuser has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:10] *schestowitz-TR2 has quit (Quit: Konversation term) [05:10] *schestowitz-TR2 has quit (Quit: Konversation term) [05:10] *schestowitz-TR (~acer-box@x6gnqyt8r46u8.irc) has joined #techrights [05:10] *schestowitz-TR (~acer-box@freenode/user/schestowitz) has joined #techrights [05:13] TR News Ooredoos plans to leave Myanmar hands military full control of nations telco sector it must mitigate the human rights risks - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/ooredoo-myanmar-sale/ Source: accessnow | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.accessnow.org/ooredoo-myanmar-sale/ [05:13] TR Bot Ooredoos plans to leave Myanmar hands military full control of nations telco sector it must mitigate the human rights risks - Access Now [05:14] TR News Guru: Regular Expressions, Part 2 - IT Jungle https://www.itjungle.com/2022/08/15/guru-regular-expressions-part-2/ Source: itjungle | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.itjungle.com/2022/08/15/guru-regular-expressions-part-2/ [05:14] TR Bot Guru: Regular Expressions, Part 2 - IT Jungle [05:14] *Snuupy has quit (Quit: leaving) [05:16] *Snuupy (~Snuupy@user/snuupy) has joined #techrights [05:16] TR News AAEON opting for defective CPUs again https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/08/15/aaeon-epic-tgh7-sbc-supports-up-to-intel-xeon-w-11865mre-tiger-lake-h-processor/ [05:16] TR Bot AAEON EPIC-TGH7 SBC supports up to Intel Xeon W-11865MRE (Tiger Lake H) processor - CNX Software [05:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [05:22] TR News (New Entry): today's howtos https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/today_s_howtos.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/today_s_howtos.gmi [05:22] TR Bot Tux Machines today's howtos [05:34] *horseface (~horseface@rwq434ydswn2i.irc) has joined #techrights [05:37] *horseface has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:39] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) [05:39] TR News Causing chaos to keep oneself relevant? http://markcurtis.info/2022/07/30/nato-knew-terrorists-would-gain-from-toppling-gadaffi/ [05:39] TR Bot Nato knew terrorists would gain from toppling Gadaffi Mark Curtis [05:40] TR News (New Entry): Audiocasts/Shows: LINUX Unplugged, GNU World Order, Open Source Security, and More https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/videos-shows.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/videos-shows.gmi [05:40] TR Bot Tux Machines Audiocasts/Shows: LINUX Unplugged, GNU World Order, Open Source Security, and More [05:41] TR News Santhal Hul Wasn't Just the First Anti-British Revolt, It Was Against All Exploitation https://thewire.in/history/santhal-hul-wasnt-just-the-first-anti-british-revolt-it-was-against-all-exploitation Source: thewire | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//thewire.in/history/santhal-hul-wasnt-just-the-first-anti-british-revolt-it-was-against-all-exploitation [05:41] TR Bot Santhal Hul Wasn't Just the First Anti-British Revolt, It Was Against All Exploitation [05:43] TR News "Not every negotiation is open to integrative bargaining. For example, in car buying negotiations, the buyer wants to pay as little as possible, the seller wants to charge as much as possible, and it's often not a repeated transaction. But some are." https://matt-rickard.com/growing-the-pie [05:43] TR Bot Growing the Pie [05:45] TR News Can we stop calling every computer program "HEY HI"? https://www.theinformation.com/articles/ai-is-transforming-how-we-bank-and-regulators-need-help-to-keep-up [05:45] TR Bot AI Is Transforming How We Bankand Regulators Need Help to Keep Up The Information [05:46] TR News "Well, most textbooks talk about industrial capitalism as if the function of banks is to make loans to factories to build plants and equipment and hire more labor to produce goods and keep the economy going, and thats what everybody expected banks to do in the late 19th century" https://michael-hudson.com/2022/08/counterpunch-to-economic-history/ [05:46] TR Bot reply from server ( status 0 @ https://michael-hudson.com/2022/08/counterpunch-to-economic-history/ ) [05:47] TR News The Pollinators https://www.thepollinators.net/ Source: thepollinators [05:47] TR Bot The Pollinators [05:48] TR News A dark money group is lying about Medicare cuts https://pluralistic.net/2022/08/11/rope-a-dope/#cowards-and-lies [05:48] TR Bot Pluralistic: 11 Aug 2022 Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow [05:49] TR News "To shore up their crumbling legitimacy in the face of growing and justified scrutiny, blockchain advocates are on a rebranding exercise thats as cynical as it is transparent!" https://rubenerd.com/please-stop-saying-git-is-a-blockchain/ [05:49] TR Bot Calling git a blockchain to rebrand bad tech [05:50] TR News Westacott joins academic gravy train as VC salaries go up and profits soar - Michael West https://michaelwest.com.au/westacott-joins-academic-gravy-train-as-vc-salaries-go-up-and-profits-soar/ Source: michaelwest | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//michaelwest.com.au/westacott-joins-academic-gravy-train-as-vc-salaries-go-up-and-profits-soar/ [05:50] TR Bot Westacott joins academic gravy train as VC salaries go up and profits soar - Michael West [05:52] TR News AAP trash (pretending the economy is booming when the opposite is true) should not be syndicated by michael west. It's ruining the site! https://michaelwest.com.au/qld-business-downcast-amid-strong-earnings/ [05:52] TR Bot Qld business downcast amid strong earnings - Michael West [05:55] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [05:59] TR News (New Entry): Programming Leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Programming_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Programming_Leftovers.gmi [05:59] TR Bot Tux Machines Programming Leftovers [05:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 11.30 k/sec., IPFS upstream 109.38 average k/sec., average swarm size 124.35 ● Aug 15 [06:00] TR News (New Entry): today's leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/today_s_leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/today_s_leftovers.gmi [06:00] TR Bot Tux Machines today's leftovers [06:01] TR News Links 15/08/2022: First RC of Linux 6.x, Linux Lite 6.0 Reviewed | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/15/linux-lite-6-0-reviewed/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/15/linux-lite-6-0-reviewed/ [06:01] TR Bot Links 15/08/2022: First RC of Linux 6.x, Linux Lite 6.0 Reviewed | Techrights [06:08] TR News (New Entry): Today in Techrights https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Today_in_Techrights.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Today_in_Techrights.gmi [06:08] TR Bot Tux Machines Today in Techrights [06:09] TR News India @ 75 | Digital Rights Ka Amrit Mahotsav? https://internetfreedom.in/india-75-digital-rights-ka-amrit-mahotsav/ Source: internetfreedom | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//internetfreedom.in/india-75-digital-rights-ka-amrit-mahotsav/ [06:09] TR Bot India @ 75 | Digital Rights Ka Amrit Mahotsav? [06:11] TR News (New Entry): Linus Torvalds Announces First Linux Kernel 6.0 Release Candidate https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Linux_Kernel_6_0_Release_Candidate.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Linux_Kernel_6_0_Release_Candidate.gmi [06:11] TR Bot Tux Machines Linus Torvalds Announces First Linux Kernel 6.0 Release Candidate [06:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [06:39] TR News Do not rely on Twitter. Rely on it being gone some time in the next 5 years. [06:39] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [06:40] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot) has joined #techrights [06:43] TR News My uncertainty over whether an URL format is actually legal https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/web/URLFormatLegalUncertainty Source: utcc | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/web/URLFormatLegalUncertainty [06:43] TR Bot Chris's Wiki :: blog/web/URLFormatLegalUncertainty [06:44] TR News "Microwaves are brilliant inventions of brilliance." Not really, nuking the food has all sorts of downsides too. That's why many of us still use cookers and ovens, which can give the food better texture. https://rubenerd.com/features-every-microwave-should-have/ [06:44] TR Bot Features every microwave should have [06:45] TR News GNSS Functionality for MicroMod https://www.sparkfun.com/news/5124 [06:45] TR Bot Functionality for MicroMod - News - SparkFun Electronics [06:47] TR News "Finding talent is hard, especially in the blockchain security industry. The space is new, so you wont find engineers with decades of experience with smart contracts. Training is difficult, as the technology evolves constantly, and online content quickly becomes outdated." https://blog.trailofbits.com/2022/08/12/the-road-to-the-apprenticeship/ [06:47] TR Bot The road to the apprenticeship | Trail of Bits Blog [06:49] TR News "This Account has been suspended." https://cissar.com/long-term-digital-security-support-pays-off-in-ukraine/ [06:49] TR Bot Account Suspended [06:51] TR News "Note well that this is mostly of historic interest. I haven't done any work on MGR for many years. MGR itself has gone into oblivion for most uses, largely being replaced by the much more feature filled X Window System. I have kept this around because people seem to link to it." https://hack.org/mc/mgr/ [06:51] TR Bot The MGR Window System [06:52] TR News logcheck egrep: trailing backslash (\) https://dan.langille.org/2022/08/02/logcheck-egrep-trailing-backslash/ [06:52] TR Bot logcheck egrep: trailing backslash (\) Dan Langille's Other Diary [06:54] TR News Ada development on FreeBSD 13.1 https://blog.vacs.fr/vacs/blogs/post.html?post=2022/08/05/Ada-on-FreeBSD-13.1 [06:54] TR Bot Ada development on FreeBSD 13.1 [06:54] TR News "On August 31, 2022, FreeBSD 13.0 will reach end-of-life and will no longer be supported by the FreeBSD Security Team. Users of FreeBSD 13.0 are strongly encouraged to upgrade to a newer release as soon as possible." https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-announce/2022-August/000044.html [06:54] TR Bot FreeBSD 13.0 end-of-life [06:58] TR News "And so it came as a shock, but maybe not as a surprise, that Rushdie was attacked this morning onstage, in Chautauqua, New York, of all places. He was about to speak to an audience at the Chautauqua Institution" https://www.theatlantic.com/books/archive/2022/08/salman-rushdie-freedom-expression-attack/671134/ [06:58] TR Bot All Because Salman Rushdie Wrote a Book - The Atlantic [06:59] TR News Is deletion of SPAM an act of "censorship" now? https://www.engadget.com/google-political-campaign-emails-spam-fec-approval-183735778.html?src=rss [06:59] TR Bot says Google can let political campaigns dodge Gmail's spam filters | Engadget [06:59] TR News "The organisers of a film festival have cancelled the upcoming screening of an award-winning short movie after censors demanded the removal of a scene depicting a protest site during the 2014 Umbrella Movement." https://hongkongfp.com/2022/08/12/hong-kong-film-dropped-from-festival-after-censors-object-to-umbrella-movement-scene-lasting-under-a-second/ [06:59] TR Bot Hong Kong film dropped from festival after censors object to Umbrella Movement scene lasting under a second - Hong Kong Free Press HKFP [06:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 16.28 k/sec., IPFS upstream 51.15 average k/sec., average swarm size 110.38 ● Aug 15 [07:00] TR News Concerned About Abortion Surveillance and Law Enforcement? Time To Treat Encryption Seriously https://reason.com/2022/08/10/concerned-about-abortion-surveillance-and-law-enforcement-time-to-treat-encryption-seriously/ [07:00] TR Bot Encryption could limit law enforcement's abortion surveillance [07:03] TR News "The NFT boom is not about art or ownership. It is about escape." https://stop.zona-m.net/2022/02/on-nft-and-metaverse/ [07:03] TR Bot on nft and metaverse | Stop at Zona-M [07:12] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [07:14] TR News "Discover" now has "Get Lagrange!" Excellent, making Gemini clients even easier and faster to install, update... [07:17] TR News Geopard has also been added to repos. Getting Gemini clients on GNU/Linux is getting a lot easier. [07:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [07:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 85.75 k/sec., IPFS upstream 54.31 average k/sec., average swarm size 91.15 ● Aug 15 [08:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [08:22] TR News "I would like to put a 2-column table into an array after scraping a web page" gemini://auragem.space/~ask/16/16 [08:23] TR News "We have sections for various arts and sciences, maybe we could also have a section for music." gemini://auragem.space/~ask/1/15 [08:26] TR News Plasma/Neon, Discover, Flatpak, and Geopard: Close, But No Cigar | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/15/geopard-flatpak/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/15/geopard-flatpak/ [08:26] TR Bot Plasma/Neon, Discover, Flatpak, and Geopard: Close, But No Cigar | Techrights [08:31] TR News IRC Proceedings: Sunday, August 14, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/15/irc-log-140822/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/15/irc-log-140822/ [08:31] TR Bot IRC Proceedings: Sunday, August 14, 2022 | Techrights [08:33] *emmatebibyte has quit (connection closed) [08:36] TR News (New Entry): today's howtos https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/today_s_howtos.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/today_s_howtos.1.gmi [08:36] TR Bot Tux Machines today's howtos [08:38] TR News Red Hat this morning: "IT industry has been talking about edge computing for years"... "edge computing is a natural expansion of their maturing cloud strategy"... CLOWN... EDGE... $INSERT_BUZZWORD https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/8/edge-computing-4-essentials-cio-it-leaders [08:38] TR Bot Edge computing: 4 pillars for CIOs and IT leaders | The Enterprisers Project [08:38] TR News Microsoft is a collapsing company https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-is-showing-ads-for-microsoft-365-in-office-2021/ see http://techrights.org/2022/08/10/working-to-win-back-customers/ [08:38] TR Bot Microsoft is showing ads for Microsoft 365 in Office 2021 [08:39] TR Bot Microsoft Death Spiral: Microsoft Fires 200 Employees Working to Win Back Customers | Techrights [08:40] TR News There are more and more options these days for browsing/navigating Geminispace and theres even a new Gemini client called Geopard; a Flatpak exists for it http://techrights.org/2022/08/15/geopard-flatpak/ [08:57] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 12.05 k/sec., IPFS upstream 49.73 average k/sec., average swarm size 124.95 ● Aug 15 [09:11] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@g3izecpprtp7g.irc) has joined #techrights [09:18] TR News (New Entry): 9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: August 14th, 2022 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/9to5Linux_Weekly_Roundup_August_14th_2022.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/9to5Linux_Weekly_Roundup_August_14th_2022.gmi [09:18] TR Bot Tux Machines 9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: August 14th, 2022 [09:19] TR News (New Entry): 9 Best Free Linux Screen Capture Tools (Updated 2022) https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/9_Best_Free_Linux_Screen_Capture_Tools_Updated_2022.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/9_Best_Free_Linux_Screen_Capture_Tools_Updated_2022.gmi [09:19] TR Bot Tux Machines 9 Best Free Linux Screen Capture Tools (Updated 2022) [09:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [09:20] TR News QUIC and HTTP/3 with wolfSSL | daniel.haxx.se https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/08/15/quic-and-http-3-with-wolfssl/ Source: daniel | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/08/15/quic-and-http-3-with-wolfssl/ [09:20] TR Bot and HTTP/3 with wolfSSL | daniel.haxx.se [09:48] TR News "Add support to the sftp-server for the home-directory extension defined in draft-ietf-secsh-filexfer-extensions-00." https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20220812085037 | Source: Undeadly [09:48] TR Bot sftp-server(8) gains support for home-directory request [09:49] TR News "Many proxy users have to use their proxy to do Internet transfers" https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/08/12/the-dream-of-auto-detecting-proxies/ | Source: Daniel Stenberg [09:49] TR Bot dream of auto-detecting proxies | daniel.haxx.se [09:49] TR News greenpeace on "greenwashing" https://www.greenpeace.org/aotearoa/story/from-climate-denial-to-greenwashing/ | Source: Greenpeace [09:49] TR Bot From climate denial to greenwashing - Greenpeace Aotearoa [09:53] TR News Misinformation https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/14/business/media/on-tiktok-election-misinformation.html | Source: New York Times [09:53] TR Bot timed out after 10520 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/14/business/media/on-tiktok-election-misinformation.html ) [09:57] TR News "Spider-Man Remastered launched last Friday to decent reviews but gamers in Russia face problems buying from Steam." https://torrentfreak.com/pirate-spider-man-remastered-steam-keys-sell-out-in-sanctioned-russia-220815/ | Source: Torrent Freak [09:57] TR Bot Spider-Man Remastered Steam Keys Sell Out in Sanctioned Russia * TorrentFreak [09:57] TR News "In addition to offering piracy insights, MUSO also helps copyright holders to take down infringing content from search engines and other online platforms." https://torrentfreak.com/anti-piracy-group-sent-dmca-notices-on-behalf-of-indicted-copyright-swindlers-220814/ | Source: Torrent Freak [09:57] TR Bot Group Continued to Send DMCA Notices on Behalf of Indicted Copyright Swindlers * TorrentFreak [09:58] TR News "...while cops hired to guard event watched" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11109405/Salman-Rushdie-guarded-TWO-cops-event-stabbed.html iophk: it was members of the audience who actually stepped in and stopped the attack [09:58] TR Bot Salman Rushdie is off ventilator and talking a day after attack, agent says | Daily Mail Online [09:58] TR News iophk: An excellent interview with Cory Doctorow https://inside-agriturf.captivate.fm/episode/bricking-tractors-with-cory-doctorow [09:58] TR Bot BRICKING TRACTORS with Cory Doctorow - Inside AgriTurf [09:59] TR News iophk: microsoft shill lying about UEFI https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/08/11/154250#1266283 [09:59] TR Bot Laptop Shopping Advice Needed - SoylentNews ● Aug 15 [10:09] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [10:09] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [10:14] TR News "Around 2005, the Organization for the Advancement of Structured Information Standards (OASIS) group defined an open format for office documents of all types" https://opensource.com/article/22/8/odt-files | Source: OpenSource.com [10:14] TR Bot ODT files are structured | Opensource.com [10:14] TR News "I'm a happy user of the XML-based Docbook markup language." https://opensource.com/article/22/8/drop-markdown-asciidoc | Source: OpenSource.com [10:14] TR Bot Asciidoc instead of Markdown | Opensource.com [10:15] TR News "The Move-X Cicerone is a new low-power board that puts together the Move-X MAMWLE LoRa module and the u-blox MAX-M10S GNSS module." https://linuxgizmos.com/move-x-cicerone-lora-gnss-board-is-compatible-with-arduino-mkr-form-factor/ | Source: Linux Gizmos [10:15] TR Bot ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/move-x-cicerone-lora-gnss-board-is-compatible-with-arduino-mkr-form-factor/ ) [10:15] TR News "The LattePanda 3 Delta features Intels 11th generation N5105 processor (4C/4T) which has a base frequency of 2.0GHz and a maximum frequency of 2.9GHz." https://linuxgizmos.com/lattepanda-3-delta-sbc-combines-11th-gen-celeron-and-atmega32u4-mcu/ | Source: Linux Gizmos [10:15] TR Bot ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/lattepanda-3-delta-sbc-combines-11th-gen-celeron-and-atmega32u4-mcu/ ) [10:16] TR News This Snake Has Legs https://hackaday.com/2022/08/14/this-snake-has-legs/ | Source: Hackaday [10:16] TR Bot Snake Has Legs | Hackaday [10:16] TR News ESP32 https://hackaday.com/2022/08/14/hackaday-prize-2022-solar-harvesting-esp32-camera-is-waterproof-repeatable/ | Source: Hackaday [10:16] TR Bot Prize 2022: Solar-Harvesting ESP32 Camera Is Waterproof, Repeatable | Hackaday [10:17] TR News Lennert Wouters (not Microsoft Lennart) https://hackaday.com/2022/08/14/starlink-ground-stations-successfully-hacked/ | Source: Hackaday [10:17] TR Bot Ground Stations Successfully Hacked | Hackaday [10:17] *techuser (~techuser@4qc3338mpcm6n.irc) has joined #techrights [10:17] TR News "Old-fashioned government media" https://telex.hu/english/2022/08/15/old-fashioned-government-media-is-being-gobbled-up-by-facebook-propaganda | Source: Telex (Hungary) [10:17] TR Bot Telex: Old-fashioned government media is being gobbled up by Facebook propaganda [10:18] TR News "Its a local story that mirrors the decline of daily newspapers nationwide and, along with it, American democracy. As Ive long lectured to journalism students" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/08/15/the-fall-of-a-great-american-newspaper-and-democracy/ | Source: Counter Punch [10:18] TR Bot Fall Of A Great American Newspaper ... and Democracy - CounterPunch.org [10:18] TR News "Lets be specific. When I was a schoolboy in the nineteen forties, the top CEOs of the Fortune 300 largest companies kept their pay at about 12 times the salary of the average worker in their business." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/08/15/watch-out-for-big-corporations-and-dangerous-politicians-breaking-our-established-norms/ | Source: Counter Punch [10:18] TR Bot Out for Big Corporations and Dangerous Politicians Breaking Our Established Norms - CounterPunch.org [10:19] *hossa (~hossa@d7sdgnav4ftfi.irc) has joined #techrights [10:19] TR News "Nor is the Pentagon shy about spending from its bloated wallet to woo new recruits" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/08/15/a-military-rich-in-dollars-poor-in-people/ this money does not go to troops, it goes to corporations. Corporate welfare/bailout. [10:19] TR Bot Military Rich in Dollars, Poor in People - CounterPunch.org [10:19] schestowitz[TR2] hi, hossa [10:19] techuser hi [10:19] hossa shalom [10:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. 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UPD And Wireshark | Hackaday [10:30] TR News Police Lied to Get the Warrant to Search Breonna Taylors Home https://truthout.org/articles/police-lied-to-get-the-warrant-to-search-breonna-taylors-home/ | Source: TruthOut [10:30] TR Bot Police Lied to Get the Warrant to Search Breonna Taylors Home [10:33] TR News IRA https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/08/14/failure-ira-extend-child-tax-credit-tremendous-missed-opportunity | Source: Common Dreams [10:33] TR Bot Opinion | Failure of IRA to Extend Child Tax Credit a Tremendous Missed Opportunity | Elisa Minoff [10:34] TR News BillPC: the Microsoft- and Bill gates-sponsored propaganda service https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/08/14/no-excuse-nprs-distorted-history-us-invasion-afghanistan | Source: Common Dreams [10:34] TR Bot Opinion | No Excuse for NPR's Distorted History of US Invasion of Afghanistan | Bryce Greene [10:37] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #techrights [10:38] *wallacer has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:40] TR News Disinformation https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/08/14/will-us-democracy-survive-right-wings-fake-news-industry | Source: Common Dreams [10:40] TR Bot Opinion | Will US Democracy Survive the Right-Wing's Fake News Industry? | Thom Hartmann [10:41] *wallacer (~quassel@6bsu33ajs4zs4.irc) has joined #techrights [10:43] TR News "Almost half of all T-Mobile customers in the USA were victims of a huge data breach." https://digit.site36.net/2022/08/15/millions-of-us-accounts-affected-telecom-group-conceals-information-about-hacked-personal-data/ | Source: Site36 [10:43] TR Bot Millions of US accounts affected: Telecom group conceals information about hacked personal data Security Architectures in the EU [10:52] TR News (New Entry): Security Leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Security_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Security_Leftovers.gmi [10:52] TR Bot Tux Machines Security Leftovers [10:52] TR News (New Entry): Standards/Consortia: OpenDocument, Asciidoc, and HTTP/3 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Standards_Consortia_OpenDocument_Asciidoc_and_HTTP_3.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Standards_Consortia_OpenDocument_Asciidoc_and_HTTP_3.gmi [10:52] TR Bot Tux Machines Standards/Consortia: OpenDocument, Asciidoc, and HTTP/3 [10:52] TR News (New Entry): Open Hardware/Modding: Arduino, LattePanda, ESP32, and More https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Open_Hardware_Modding_Arduino_LattePanda_ESP32_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Open_Hardware_Modding_Arduino_LattePanda_ESP32_and_More.gmi [10:52] TR Bot Tux Machines Open Hardware/Modding: Arduino, LattePanda, ESP32, and More [10:54] *Skywave has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 12.65 k/sec., IPFS upstream 58.46 average k/sec., average swarm size 118.23 ● Aug 15 [11:00] TR News (New Entry): : Google #Android Leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Android_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Android_Leftovers.gmi [11:00] TR Bot Tux Machines Android Leftovers [11:03] TR News Kubernetes: Meet Our Contributors - APAC (China region) https://kubernetes.io/blog/2022/08/15/meet-our-contributors-china-ep-03/ [11:03] TR Bot Meet Our Contributors - APAC (China region) | Kubernetes [11:08] TR News (New Entry): 7 Big Changes Coming to Nautilus in GNOME 43 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/7_Big_Changes_Coming_to_Nautilus_in_GNOME_43.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/7_Big_Changes_Coming_to_Nautilus_in_GNOME_43.gmi [11:08] TR Bot Tux Machines 7 Big Changes Coming to Nautilus in GNOME 43 [11:09] TR News wccftech = Larabel metoo-ism https://wccftech.com/intel-xeon-platinum-8380-ice-lake-cpu-shows-great-improvement-in-linux-6-0/ [11:09] TR Bot Intel Xeon Platinum 8380 "Ice Lake" CPU Shows Great Improvement In Linux 6.0 [11:12] TR News "IRL is an original podcast from Mozilla, the non-profit behind Firefox. In Season 6, host Bridget Todd shares stories of people who make AI more trustworthy in real life. This season doubles as Mozillas 2022 Internet Health Report. Go to the report for show notes, transcripts, and more." https://2022.internethealthreport.org/episodes/ai-from-above/ [11:12] TR Bot AI from Above The Internet Health Report 2022 [11:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. 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    [11:26] TR Bot [PATCH v14 00/14] Multi-Gen LRU Framework [11:26] TR Bot to install SaltStack on Fedora 36 NextGenTips [11:34] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [11:34] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [11:47] TR News Links 15/08/2022: Big Changes in Nautilus and FreeBSD 13.0 EOL | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/15/freebsd-13-0-eol/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/15/freebsd-13-0-eol/ [11:47] TR Bot Links 15/08/2022: Big Changes in Nautilus and FreeBSD 13.0 EOL | Techrights [11:48] TR News (New Entry): today's leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/mixture.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/mixture.gmi [11:48] TR Bot Tux Machines today's leftovers [11:48] TR News (New Entry): Latest From OpenBSD and FreeBSD Projects https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Latest_From_OpenBSD_and_FreeBSD_Projects.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Latest_From_OpenBSD_and_FreeBSD_Projects.gmi [11:49] TR Bot Tux Machines Latest From OpenBSD and FreeBSD Projects [11:54] *CrystalMath (~coderain@w82p35qjh2yvg.irc) has joined #techrights [11:54] schestowitz[TR2] hi, CrystalMath [11:55] CrystalMath hi :) [11:55] TR News "1:44 Is EndeavourOS Arch? 11:06 The Intro to the History of EndeavourOS" https://www.linuxuserspace.show/304 [11:55] TR Bot Linux User Space: Episode 3:04: The Endeavour Endeavor [11:59] TR News "Considering these facts, NFTs may be just the last Ponzi scheme to part fools from their money, which in too many cases they are just that. Ditto for another buzzword of the moment, the so-called metaverse." https://stop.zona-m.net/2022/02/the-real-value-of-nfts-bringing-hikikomoris-to-the-metaverse/ [11:59] TR Bot The real value of NFTs? Bringing hikikomoris to the metaverse | Stop at Zona-M ● Aug 15 [12:00] TR News Salix 15.0-rc3 is out https://blog.salixos.org/ [12:00] TR Bot The Salix Blog [12:01] TR News Intel code is crap. But Intel compensates for it by hiring assholes to troll Torvalds and others (like Tso) https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/YvUKLbv%2FpOfbbeL+@pendragon.ideasonboard.com/ [12:01] TR Bot Re: Missing MIPI IPU6 camera driver for Intel Alder Lake laptops - Laurent Pinchart [12:02] TR News Greg KH: "don't buy these devices if the vendor is not willing to get their drivers upstreamed properly." https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/YvUaEDMbZD70x+hD@kroah.com/ [12:02] TR Bot Re: Missing MIPI IPU6 camera driver for Intel Alder Lake laptops - Greg KH [12:03] TR News "So I'll stick with my original statement, don't buy this hardware as the vendors don't seem to want to upstream the drivers any time soon :(" https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/YvnybHVFmpUJs4qi@kroah.com/ boycott Intel and its defective Windows products http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaks [12:03] TR Bot Re: Missing MIPI IPU6 camera driver for Intel Alder Lake laptops - Greg KH [12:03] TR Bot Intel leaks - Techrights [12:05] TR News Intel "technical" team = Microsofters. It wasn't always this way. There was entryism. http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaks [12:06] TR News Choosing Intel for "Linux" something is like entering a mosque in pursuit of some succulent pork [12:10] TR News "What do Ryan DasGeek from @TuxDigital Jay from @Learn Linux TV have to say about buying hardware? "Buy native Linux hardware from vendors that actually ship Linux."" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KhlMcxsoF0 [12:10] TR Bot https://y.com.sb/watch?v=2KhlMcxsoF0 [12:10] TR Bot y.com.sb | Should you only buy Linux-native hardware? Ft. Jay LaCroix and Ryan DasGeek - Invidious [12:12] TR News "Few tools walk the right line between declarative and imperative like make." https://matt-rickard.com/the-unreasonable-effectiveness-of-makefiles [12:12] TR Bot The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Makefiles [12:14] TR News The FTC takes aim at commercial surveillance https://pluralistic.net/2022/08/12/regulatory-uncapture/#conscious-uncoupling Meanwhile, in Silicon Valley, I hear, "I don't care if Google has my data they just want to show me better ads." [12:14] TR Bot Pluralistic: 12 Aug 2022 Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow [12:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [12:33] TR News "As my favourite software lecturer used to say, its better to be clear than clever. He was talking about code reviews, but it easily applies to tasks you assign yourself. We all think were clever, but do X in your task manager feels far less intimidating if it has do A, B, and C subtasks underneath." https://rubenerd.com/too-hard-take-more-steps/ [12:33] TR Bot Too hard? Take more steps [12:35] TR News "most of the money in our economy is not printed by the state, but created by private banks when they make loans the vast majority of which goes towards bidding up the price of existing assets (including commodities we rely on) rather than increasing the economys productive capacity." https://positivemoney.org/2022/08/align-banks-with-public-purpose/ [12:35] TR Bot To tackle the cost of living we need to align banks with public purpose - Positive Money [12:37] TR News Check Disk Space Usage In Linux Using Ncdu - OSTechNix https://ostechnix.com/check-disk-space-usage-linux-using-ncdu/ Source: OSTechNix | GNU | Linux | FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//ostechnix.com/check-disk-space-usage-linux-using-ncdu/ [12:37] TR Bot Disk Space Usage In Linux Using Ncdu - OSTechNix [12:51] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:57] TR News "I just got back from work after summer vacation. I say work, but it's really just a paid internship. School starts again in 3 weeks, and I cannot wait. This job is so boring, and I feel so unwelcome." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1098 [12:58] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #techrights [12:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 11.90 k/sec., IPFS upstream 86.73 average k/sec., average swarm size 128.55 ● Aug 15 [13:00] *geert (~geert@4sg33k94s3er4.irc) has joined #techrights [13:02] *GNUmoon2 has quit (connection closed) [13:02] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [13:03] schestowitz[TR2] hi, geert [13:07] TR News "If youre not aware of WebRTC, it allows for native real-time media connections between devices and browsers, including audio, video, and data transmission. As a result, users may instantaneously interact inside a web browser or app without the need for complicated plug-ins or other applications." https://net2.com/3-factors-why-webrtc-will-succeed-in-2022/ [13:07] TR Bot 3 Factors Why WebRTC Will Succeed in 2022 [13:10] geert schestowitz :) [13:11] TR News "The emails alleged that Costello was paid as a secret Crown lobbyist in 2011 for a year, a claim he denies." https://michaelwest.com.au/james-packers-email-spray-is-more-than-a-falling-out-among-casino-mates/ [13:11] TR Bot James Packer's email spray is more than a falling out among casino mates - Michael West [13:12] TR News "Morrison had himself sworn in as a spare health minister during the first months of the Covid pandemic and also held the finance and resources portfolios during different periods in 2020 and 2021." https://michaelwest.com.au/scott-morrison-pimpernel-pm-is-the-gift-that-keeps-giving/ [13:12] TR Bot Scott Morrison, pimpernel PM, is the gift that keeps giving - Michael West [13:14] TR News The 'free' market: bailout for corporations during pandemic, COVID-19 for everybody (people) throughout the pandemic. Because corporations aren't people, they're "MORE IMPORTANT" than people? [13:15] TR News "The past weekend contained two full days of the second Raku Conference." https://rakudoweekly.blog/2022/08/15/2022-33-2nd-conf-succeeded/ [13:15] TR Bot 2022.33 2nd Conf Succeeded Rakudo Weekly News [13:17] TR News "it seemed to attract more trolls than anything Ive written in a long time. Its disheartening to have something you enjoyed (and tried to share with people) immediately shat on by those who dont even bother to read it." https://rubenerd.com/qa-about-my-new-nw-a55-walkman/ [13:17] TR Bot Q&A about my NW-A55 Walkman [13:18] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@3fwq6apsn2jv4.irc) has joined #techrights [13:19] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [13:19] TR News "Later on, MS abused that power repeatedly, stole code, copied ideas, unfairly pushed rivals out of business, and generally became a bully and a criminal. MS effectively killed Be, Netscape, and Central Point Software; it crippled Aldus and STAC; and many more." https://liam-on-linux.dreamwidth.org/85836.html [13:19] TR Bot liam_on_linux | MS-DOS was *not* an illegal clone of CP/M [13:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [13:20] TR News UW study strengthens evidence of link between air pollution and child brain development | UW News https://www.washington.edu/news/2022/07/12/uw-study-strengthens-evidence-of-link-between-air-pollution-and-child-brain-development/ Source: washingtonUni [13:20] TR Bot UW study strengthens evidence of link between air pollution and child brain development | UW News [13:21] TR News Debunking Jordan Petersons Cultural Marxism https://neritam.wordpress.com/2022/08/14/a-word-to-organize-people-to-be-hateful-towards-those-they-disagree/ [13:21] TR Bot A word to organize people to be hateful towards those they disagree neritam [13:23] TR News Guardian takes bribes from Bill Gates, who uses the Guardian to cover up his Jeffrey Epstein connections... while sobbing about poverty https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/jul/22/liverpool-food-banks-confront-rising-hunger [13:23] TR Bot Theres nothing else to give them: Liverpool food banks confront rising hunger | Food banks | The Guardian [13:26] TR News "So, this book is about the incredible ways in which other animals sense the world around us. At the core of it is a concept called Umwelt, the idea that each creature has its own sensory bubble..." https://www.democracynow.org/2022/07/15/in_immense_world_science_writer_ed [13:26] TR Bot In Immense World, Science Writer Ed Yong Shows How Animal Senses Reveal Hidden Realms Around Us | Democracy Now! [13:29] TR News C++ vs Python: Get The Right Tool in 2022 https://www.ubuntupit.com/c-plus-plus-vs-python-get-the-right-tool/ Source: UbuntuPIT | GNU | Linux | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.ubuntupit.com/c-plus-plus-vs-python-get-the-right-tool/ [13:29] TR Bot C++ vs Python: Get The Right Tool in 2022 [13:32] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights ● Aug 15 [14:18] TR News

    [14:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [14:23] TR News This is the very same Google that put NSA-weakened encryption inside the Linux kernel before it got yanked out months later https://www.securityweek.com/google-boosts-bug-bounty-rewards-linux-kernel-vulnerabilities [14:23] TR Bot Boosts Bug Bounty Rewards for Linux Kernel Vulnerabilities | SecurityWeek.Com [14:24] TR News SpellBinding: GILNUYW Wordo: SNOEK gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-08-15.gmi [14:25] TR News Borgmatic and snapper, part 2 gemini://remyabel.srht.site/posts/2022-08-15.gmi [14:26] TR News "The desktop was given to me by a relative. I mostly use it for writing when I want to avoid any distractions. It's disconnected from the Internet most of the time." gemini://josias.dev/gemlog/replies/counting-computers.gmi [14:26] TR News (New Entry): Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Google Finance https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Alternatives_to_Google_Finance.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Alternatives_to_Google_Finance.gmi [14:26] TR Bot Tux Machines Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Google Finance [14:28] TR News Haskell, GTK and CSS Theming (Give Your Apps Style!) - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=G02sACDeQ8s | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/G02sACDeQ8s [14:28] TR Bot Haskell, GTK and CSS Theming (Give Your Apps Style!) - Invidious [14:29] TR News "Anti-queer hate crimes are at an all-time high. Murders of transgender and gender-nonconforming people have skyrocketed year over year since 2016." https://publicknowledge.org/hiding-out-a-case-for-queer-experiences-informing-data-privacy-laws/ [14:29] TR Bot Hiding OUT: A Case for Queer Experiences Informing Data Privacy Laws - Public Knowledge [14:30] TR News PostgreSQL: PostgreSQL JDBC versions 42.4.1/42.2.26 Security Update https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/postgresql-jdbc-versions-424142226-security-update-2492/ Source: postgresql [14:30] TR Bot PostgreSQL: PostgreSQL JDBC versions 42.4.1/42.2.26 Security Update [14:32] TR News "CentOS (Version 9), Debian (Version 11.3), Fedora LXDE, Workstation, or Server (Version 36.1.5), OpenSUSE (Version 15.4), Ubuntu 22.04 Desktop/Server, pfSense (Version 2.6.0), TrueNAS (FreeNAS) (Version 13.0), RedHat Enterprise (Version 9.0), and OPNSense (Version 22.1.2)." https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/08/15/thin-mini-itx-networking-board-features-six-2-5gbe-ports-celeron-j6412-elkhart-lake-soc/ [14:32] TR Bot Thin Mini-ITX networking board features six 2.5GbE ports, Celeron J6412 Elkhart Lake SoC - CNX Software [14:33] TR News (New Entry): : Google #Android Leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Android_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Android_Leftovers.1.gmi [14:33] TR Bot Tux Machines Android Leftovers [14:40] *psymin (~psymin@me3biw7mdts84.irc) has joined #techrights [14:40] *psymin (~psymin@user/psymin) has joined #techrights [14:41] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #techrights [14:55] TR News (New Entry): today's howtos https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/today_s_howtos.3.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/today_s_howtos.3.gmi [14:55] TR Bot Tux Machines today's howtos [14:56] TR News The Linux Phone - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=dk1nwrA0yJE | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/dk1nwrA0yJE [14:56] TR Bot The Linux Phone - Invidious [14:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 10.96 k/sec., IPFS upstream 67.78 average k/sec., average swarm size 125.13 [14:59] TR News OK, I think I'm done (for good) with Unlimited Hangout and Whitney Webb. She went on a show of Gareth Icke, the son of infamous public speaker and conspiracy theorist David Icke. She's trying to promote her book on Epstein to cranks. Deleted from RSS. ● Aug 15 [15:02] TR News We know smears by association aren't necessarily a thing, but this is a voluntary link. A link does not mean agreement, but basic smell test should have guided Webb NOT to associate in any way with the Ickes. This is a lot worse than going on the air with Sputnik and/or RT. Very, very disappointing. [15:03] TR News EasyOS Dunfell-series 64-bit version 4.3.4 released https://bkhome.org/news/202208/easyos-dunfell-series-64-bit-version-434-released.html [15:03] TR Bot EasyOS Dunfell-series 64-bit version 4.3.4 released [15:10] *GNUmoon2 has quit (connection closed) [15:10] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [15:10] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@3rvvjfuixts2k.irc) has joined #techrights [15:11] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [15:11] TR News Twitter is becoming very inactive overall. The numbers are kept close to managers' chest, but one can be sure they too could /confess/confirm... if tortured by shareholder. [15:12] *KiKi_ (~KiKi@xwtec8cieagwc.irc) has joined #techrights [15:12] TR News RMS incommunicado for months and FSF not doing any campaigns this year. They will let supporters down if they don't actually do anything... [15:16] CrystalMath antiimperialists rejoice: today is the first anniversary of the liberation of afghanistan from american occupiers [15:17] schestowitz[TR2] women do not rejoice [15:17] schestowitz[TR2] the occupiers changed [15:18] CrystalMath the pashtuns are the people of afghanistan... [15:18] CrystalMath i can't imagine what kind of woman would prefer a foreign occupation to her own people [15:19] CrystalMath but if they exist, they don't have to support bloody violence, they can just leave [15:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. 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Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [17:21] *techuser (~techuser@nn58qcu3qngy2.irc) has joined #techrights [17:22] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #techrights [17:23] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [17:24] *techuser has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:26] *techuser (~techuser@nh5qqrwwfgygs.irc) has joined #techrights [17:28] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights [17:28] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [17:30] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [17:31] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #techrights ● Aug 15 [18:01] MinceR > They will let supporters down if they don't actually do anything... [18:01] MinceR they already have [18:02] MinceR 15 161838 < CrystalMath> i can't imagine what kind of woman would prefer a foreign occupation to her own people [18:02] MinceR probably the kind that prefers to have human rights and/or doesn't enjoy religious fundamentalist oppression [18:05] phanes I wasn't even aware Israel was being occupied [18:12] CrystalMath MinceR: even then, it seems much saner to me to leave rather than be a terrorist, unlike the entire world is like this [18:12] CrystalMath *unless [18:13] CrystalMath typed the wrong word, heh [18:13] MinceR presumably those that could, left [18:14] CrystalMath i wonder though... where do the people who hate liberalism go? [18:14] CrystalMath considering it has conquered half the planet [18:14] MinceR orcland, red china, north korea [18:14] CrystalMath MinceR: coincidentally, all the places you want to destroy [18:14] CrystalMath hum, i sense a pattern here [18:14] CrystalMath not owned by the liberal mafia => MinceR wants it destroyed [18:15] *MinceR yawns [18:15] MinceR ruscist propaganda is still predictable, boring and senseless [18:15] CrystalMath i can't help but notice a pattern though [18:15] XRevan86 What did I miss? [18:16] MinceR nothing [18:16] XRevan86 "antiimperialists rejoice: today is the first anniversary of the liberation of afghanistan from american occupiers" <- Ah. Classic CrystalMath. [18:16] MinceR CrystalMath wants the freedom to choose the terms under which he can be unfree, not realizing the absurdity of that wish [18:17] XRevan86 MinceR: I think he just wants nation accountability gone. [18:18] CrystalMath XRevan86: it doesn't exist... see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy_(international_relations) [18:18] TR Bot Anarchy (international relations) - Wikipedia [18:19] XRevan86 CrystalMath: I wonder what your opinion on Domestic Violence is. [18:19] CrystalMath obviously, a sovereign nation is not accountable to everyone, we are not one world, no way is the one true way [18:19] CrystalMath err, s/everyone/anyone/ [18:19] *techuser has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [18:20] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Particularly, when there's family abuse and the victim asks the police for help, should they interfere? [18:21] *techuser (~techuser@mii8cedt3f3mk.irc) has joined #techrights [18:21] geert well well well sometimes i get like a gnarly feel like some peeps tryna recreate wars but then more like online/virtually :S [18:21] geert whats liberal? imperial? far most is called that which is not that at all [18:21] geert whats religious? i mean atheism is not 'not religious', it is 'religious in atheist manner' [18:21] CrystalMath XRevan86: probably yes, if it's true; but i would be against spying on people to search for such things proactively [18:22] geert and again and again, far most conflict, warring seem to stem from 'lack of argument' [18:22] geert in a way 'lack of argument' is also posing behind lots of fancy appearing terminology but meanwhile not understand a sily fuck about it [18:22] XRevan86 geert: I'd argue with that, but I was just praying to the non-God for some non-salvation. [18:22] XRevan86 All it takes is to not believe. [18:23] geert its not that you dont believe, its more like people tend to believe different things [18:23] XRevan86 Sieze the non-non-believers! [18:23] CrystalMath the shocking thing is that people just can't seem to accept that their view is not the absolute truth [18:23] geert among which there is just one Truth, one real Truth, objective Truth, i dont think anything not Truth can really be believed. [18:23] geert some say they can believe things though they dont understand, i dont think its real belief [18:23] XRevan86 CrystalMath: I do accept that, but something in me just doesn't let me side with the terrorists. [18:24] geert by the way, you would not 'not argue', meanwhile the supposed prayer you forgot to finish it properly [18:24] TR News (New Entry): Everything You Need to Know to Start Writing Bash Programs https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Everything_You_Need_to_Know_to_Start_Writing_Bash_Programs.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Everything_You_Need_to_Know_to_Start_Writing_Bash_Programs.gmi [18:24] TR Bot Tux Machines Everything You Need to Know to Start Writing Bash Programs [18:24] geert so theres some 'science', or 'academia', talking lots of shit about supposedly found out fact that should be believed [18:24] geert most often refuted within the century [18:24] geert so very much most often, that i would basically consider trusting science per definition just 'ignorant' [18:25] XRevan86 Atheism is *not* a form of religion. [18:25] geert oh it sure is [18:25] geert though it doesnt impose as if theistic but rather atheistic [18:25] CrystalMath a religion is a set of supernatural beliefs, it's not the same as an ideology which is simply a set of beliefs [18:25] CrystalMath so atheism is an ideology but not a religion [18:25] geert religion means 'system to deal experience of spirituality' [18:25] geert agnost is religious system too [18:25] geert atheism too [18:26] geert seems like youactually dont get much about certain things you talk about [18:26] XRevan86 geert: I do not have spiritual experiences, what system do I use in that case? [18:26] CrystalMath materialism is not really a supernatural belief [18:26] geert thats bullocks,if you would not have spiritual experience, you would not have social feelings that aren't currently adequately described by 'academia' [18:26] geert which is plain nonsense [18:27] geert spiritual experience doesnt necessarily mean attributing it to whats considered difficult to believe or imagine [18:27] geert you seriously got me more proof that you actually really dont get much what you figure yourself able to talk about [18:27] geert its a sad position, kid. [18:28] geert people mix so many words these days [18:28] geert its staggering, like e.g. with the word 'respect' [18:28] CrystalMath the belief in the non-existence of the supernatural is not a supernatural belief [18:28] geert like police ppl say one should 'respect' the other [18:29] geert respect pretty much means 'backing it too' [18:29] geert they actually most often mean 'decency', they want 'decent approach' and they call it 'respect' [18:29] geert it has gone this much down the drain regarding 'intelligence' these days, that when i would try explain that to a regular officer, in some cases i would expect to be attacked [18:30] geert many things/people/concepts etc. cant just be respected like that [18:30] geert its simply sheer impossible, since e.g. with people one cannot respect a person or his/her stances before getting more serious know about it first [18:30] geert many those goons just dont get jack shit understand what the actual fuck they talk about [18:30] geert you tryna teach me what about religion? [18:30] geert you think? [18:30] geert kid, you dont know jack shit wtf you talk about. [18:31] geert i been studying this intensively for many many years, decades [18:31] geert wtf you think the irregular appearing of this language application give you right to refute that? [18:31] MinceR ah yes, the good old religious copium of "but they HAVE to believe in something!!!1111one" [18:31] XRevan86 geert: Sure, appeal to the authority of oneself. [18:32] geert religious system is approach to certain experiencing, it does not necessarily prescribe 'believe' [18:32] geert so religious system should not be mixed with belief either. [18:32] geert well you tried that subjective approach to objective authority, i didnt [18:32] XRevan86 geert: I guess autism is religion too. [18:33] geert then it would not be a disease anymore [18:33] MinceR being dead is a religion! [18:33] geert since it would be a result as approach [18:33] MinceR religion is a disease too [18:33] XRevan86 MinceR: Good point, that definitely affects experiencing a great deal. [18:33] geert hmmm i think 'dead' contrasts with 'being' [18:33] XRevan86 "then it would not be a disease anymore" <- Is it even that? [18:33] geert but maybe some subjective nonsense try to refute that too [18:33] geert haha [18:33] XRevan86 Depends on the severity. [18:34] geert well let me just refrain from asking about different 'severity levels' of 'dead' [18:34] geert it seems like some people just talk to talk [18:34] TR News Mozilla hiring managers from Facebook again https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/steve-teixeira-mozilla-new-chief-product-officer/ see http://techrights.org/2019/11/03/the-privacy-scam/ [18:34] TR Bot Announcing Steve Teixeira, Mozilla's New Chief Product Officer [18:34] TR Bot Facebook and Other Surveillance Capitalists Wont Save Mozilla From Google Dependence | Techrights [18:34] MinceR XRevan86: it's a mental disease [18:35] MinceR 15 193342 < geert> hmmm i think 'dead' contrasts with 'being' [18:35] geert wellits not when religiously applied [18:35] MinceR finally, geert found the solution to fear of death [18:35] MinceR and it didn't even need a god, or religion [18:35] geert if autism would be religiously applied, it would be result instead of cause, hence not a disease anymore [18:35] geert if that would be objectively established, autism hence would have never really been a disease [18:36] geert it would have been an applied system to try deal insecurities with, more consciously and controlled than the definition of 'disease' provides room to [18:36] geert but it might take a while for some people to grasp if one dont get jack shit about which one figured oneself able to talk [18:36] TR News Whats new with Ubuntu 22.04.1? | TechRepublic https://www.techrepublic.com/article/ubuntu-22-04-1/ Source: techrepublic | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.techrepublic.com/article/ubuntu-22-04-1/ [18:36] TR Bot new with Ubuntu 22.04.1? | TechRepublic [18:36] XRevan86 geert: So basically, it's not a religion because it can already be classified as something else? [18:37] MinceR basically "everyone who disagrees with me is stupid" [18:37] CrystalMath every religion is an ideology, and atheism is also an ideology [18:37] geert its not the subjective classification that disables certain combination [18:37] XRevan86 MinceR: Could be a religion in of itself :). [18:38] MinceR it's a building block of many religions [18:38] TR News Hacking monitors https://jmtd.net/log/temperature/ [18:38] TR Bot jmtd log Temperature monitoring [18:38] geert like walking is not sitting however someone subjectively would want it to be [18:38] XRevan86 Walking is just a form of sitting, asittism if ye will. [18:38] MinceR lol [18:38] geert one would almost suggest you get to understand [18:39] geert but i sense some blocking, probably unconsciously [18:39] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [18:39] geert are you trying to protect the insecurities with which you tried grow securities? [18:39] MinceR dr geert is in office, and a diagnosis over IRC is forthcoming [18:39] XRevan86 geert: Don't know, I'm just having a good time here. [18:40] MinceR i really don't know why we bother with psychology or psychiatry when untrained people apparently can do all those jobs over text-only chat quickly and easily [18:40] XRevan86 Arguments like not-X is just a type of X defined by the lack of X always amuse me. [18:40] geert its a lot of assumptions, going without proper questions too :s [18:40] XRevan86 Or in this case: "not-X has been X all along, its X is just hard to spot". [18:41] geert i didnt realy try pretend to diagnose you peeps [18:41] geert but i got some serious reason to conclude you dont get jack shit about how religion works, what it actually means [18:41] geert lots of people tend to mix it with theism/atheism etc. but it dont make it right [18:41] MinceR yeah, it's so mysterious and magical [18:42] MinceR only religious people can understand it [18:42] XRevan86 People who don't give a pillion over your spiritual experiences must simply have a spiritual/religious system which is like that. [18:42] geert well i didnt impose the spiritual experiences i got upon you [18:42] geert but you do seem to expect that [18:42] geert preference or exptance maybe? [18:42] geert expectance* [18:43] geert this assumptions kids its not really solid ground to stand on [18:43] TR News "If I understood correctly they still don't have an actual programming language for people to use. But several people can work on the same document simultaneously like in Overleaf, CoCalc, Google Colab, Google Docs, &c." gemini://siiky.srht.site/petri_nets/log005.gmi [18:43] geert if somebody would abuse such imposing you could get really instable really fast in ways you probably dont grasp long past it happening [18:43] geert as an example [18:43] XRevan86 I'm no kid, I'm a fully grown goat. [18:43] geert its not a diagnosis too, actually ;) [18:43] MinceR that high horse geert is on is just getting higher and higher [18:44] MinceR hopefully soon the distance becomes so great we won't hear the proclamations anymore [18:44] geert well well well and such connecting it to status PERCEPTION (since it hasnt got to do much with real status) sure is telling, too, and not about much 'knowledge' [18:44] geert did you already got to endure some 'ignore' functions with irc chat clients? [18:45] geert or maybe trying to blame others about lack of 'knowledge' again? [18:45] *techuser has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:45] geert i wouldnt bet such horses kid, coz you might end up with that goat and not even getting that [18:45] XRevan86 MinceR: Wanna end up with me, whatever that means? [18:45] geert huh you figured i was talking about you? [18:46] geert maybe i wasnt even closely referring to you [18:46] MinceR XRevan86: i don't know what it means [18:46] geert now you probably dont want to classify that as experiencing of spirituality but im almost 100% sure it is [18:46] MinceR i guess i'll just have to tremble in fear of the unknown. [18:46] XRevan86 geert: If ye weren't, then your human communication skills need work. [18:46] geert it might take a while though, getting some thinking outside a small box realm [18:46] MinceR lol [18:46] XRevan86 Holy crap, I was experiencing spirituality all along! In IRC of all places. [18:46] MinceR that small box is still bigger than that book [18:47] geert assumptions, assumptions [18:47] geert i think 'in irc' its more displaying of 'effects' of 'feelings' [18:47] geert i dont suggest you need to get mad at me for it :s [18:47] MinceR i think it's just displaying a lot of apostrophes [18:48] geert you missing out some sensible character sequence in between the punctuation [18:50] XRevan86 If had a lot of spiritual experiences since February 24th, I'm curious if that counts as religion. [18:50] geert well anyways it seems to me you're just plain wrong MinceRand Xrevan86 too, and the way you try disguise it behind easily refuted subjective experiencing of spirituality seems like propaganda to me [18:51] geert religion is SYSTEM to try deal such experiencing of spirituality [18:51] MinceR yeah, yeah, yeah, everyone outside your cult is wrong and expendable [18:51] XRevan86 It was propaganda all along. [18:51] MinceR it's a millennia-old story [18:51] MinceR and you can see where it got us all [18:51] *techuser (~techuser@3sfr8z9ukn4g6.irc) has joined #techrights [18:51] geert well you sure seem to think like that [18:51] XRevan86 geert: And my system to deal with that is atheism? [18:51] MinceR it will be quite painful to find out that all the prayers in the world won't turn an asteroid away, or prolong the Sun's life cycle [18:51] MinceR but we probably won't even live to see that [18:52] geert would you try that kind of religious propaganda thats often called atheism, really? [18:52] geert would you, really? [18:52] geert XRevan86 you might get to tell me about it, honestly, would you, really? [18:52] MinceR i'm not aware of such religious propaganda [18:52] geert you never heard of atheism? [18:53] MinceR i've never heard of a "religious propaganda thats often called atheism" [18:53] geert hmmm its rather difficult diagnosing if one dont honestly try to answer [18:53] XRevan86 "would you try that kind of Putin propaganda thats often called anti-Putin, really?" [18:53] phanes well you're right that it's a faith-based religion (atheism) but it is not propaganda so much as the source of some propaganda [18:53] geert propagating any system is basically propaganda [18:53] geert didnt you realize that as well? [18:53] MinceR it's rather difficult to diagnose anyone over text chat [18:53] geert oh boy we might get intellectual trouble with the respect/decency thing [18:53] MinceR (try "impossible") [18:54] MinceR maybe you should try practicing that "respect/decency thing" [18:54] geert not entirely, necessarily, although the subject shouldnt lie [18:54] MinceR and there's the next step [18:54] MinceR "everyone who disagrees with me lies" [18:54] geert subjectivity you mean? [18:54] geert huh wat? assumptions again? [18:54] XRevan86 MinceR: Could've been worse, could've been freudianism. [18:55] geert look propagating any system doesnt necessarily need to be incorrect, it is propaganda though [18:55] MinceR "everything i disagree with is propaganda" [18:55] geert thats another subjective assumption that isnt really stemming from what i said [18:55] geert really, really telling psychologically [18:55] geert not enough to just correctly assume diagnosis, of course [18:55] geert :D [18:56] MinceR well, at least you managed to learn that part [18:56] MinceR it's better than what i've seen from most fundamentalists [18:56] XRevan86 Thought of another example: anarchy is a form of government. [18:56] MinceR lol [18:56] MinceR being bald is a hair color [18:56] MinceR classic example: not collecting stamps is a hobby [18:57] XRevan86 MinceR: That's nearly perfect. [18:57] geert some of you people get to say things i might get to chew on for some while before reacting, if reacting would be appropriate [18:58] XRevan86 Stamp non-collectors are the most arrogant people of all. [18:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 11.23 k/sec., IPFS upstream 67.81 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 [18:59] XRevan86 MinceR: Chaos is a very highly organised system. ● Aug 15 [19:00] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@2wbkh9pt9z5du.irc) has joined #techrights [19:01] geert please, better not consider lack of reply reason to stop telling. [19:02] *techuser has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:03] XRevan86 I wonder if alcoholism can be considered a religion, it's definitely a big part of the experience for some people. [19:04] geert in certain circumstances i guess it certain CAN be CONSIDERED 'religious'. [19:05] phanes the "anarchy is not a system of government" example is actually wrong [19:05] geert but if it really would be, don't you think theres a conflict with the 'lack of control' if comes to 'systematic approach' to 'dealing spiritual experiences'? [19:05] phanes both in and out of that context [19:06] phanes for starters, the lack of something being a type of something is not a valid contrast for atheism as a religion because atheism is, in fact, faith-based [19:06] phanes and secondly, anarchy is, for all sensible taxonomial models of governance, a form of governance [19:07] geert oh wait, it seem somebody try to do some serious other thing than assumptions as if diagnosis [19:07] XRevan86 phanes: So what is the faith? [19:08] phanes XRevan86, the entire atheist religion rests solely on the faith-based assertion of there not being a creator deity [19:08] phanes note that atheism is not agnosticism and agnosticism is not a form of atheism despite some agnostics going to great length to counter the taxonomy in public sources, so, this issue is tained until wikipedia and similar regains integrity [19:08] XRevan86 phanes: So is a lack of trust in the religious institutions and the religious teachings a form of trust in the opposite? [19:09] MinceR phanes: let me guess, you believe that the assertion of there being a creator deity is not faith-based [19:09] phanes XRevan86, no but a belief system based on a faith-based assertion is definitionaly a religion when organized [19:09] XRevan86 I'm going to say this one more day: I *believe*, I have faith in, that the Loch Ness monster is not a thing. [19:10] XRevan86 * one more time [19:10] MinceR XRevan86: let's build a religion around that faith [19:10] XRevan86 I do welcome the attempts to prove me wrong. [19:10] geert believe/faith does contrast with insecurity, and again whats called 'relgion' does not prescribe 'belief' [19:10] phanes XRevan86, non-sequitur as you do not tie the lochness monster into the spiritual working of the universe. If your religion is that you believe the lochness monster did not create the universe and govern the afterlife then perhaps it could be [19:10] geert meaning some tend to system what they dont know, rather dealing insecurity than 'belief' [19:10] XRevan86 If someone does find the Loch Ness monster, I will forfeit and admit that my faith was based on a wrong assertion. [19:10] geert or trying to deal insecurity* [19:11] XRevan86 phanes: I don't see a significant difference. [19:11] phanes XRevan86, then you should try harder [19:11] XRevan86 phanes: It's an aspect of the world we live in. [19:11] XRevan86 Either it's there or it's not. [19:11] XRevan86 The only difference is the scale. [19:11] phanes being deliberately obtuse to clarification is not a counterargument [19:12] *techuser (~techuser@7hpuxwr5tewrw.irc) has joined #techrights [19:12] MinceR i see [19:12] XRevan86 phanes: If I say that I reject Loch Ness as a god, would that count? [19:13] MinceR "my beliefs are facts; everyone who disagrees is doing so on the basis of faith" [19:13] MinceR yet another wonderful basis for argument [19:13] phanes XRevan86, yes that would make it a religion [19:13] phanes MinceR, yes, my assertions here are facts [19:14] XRevan86 Surprisingly not that hard to tie Loch Ness into the spiritual working of the universe. [19:14] phanes i can provide proof in sentential notation if you'd like [19:14] geert nononono i think you get to mix things, that people subjectively figure themselves able to believe what they CONSIDER facts, does not necessarily make it fact based and if not, it wont be serious belief [19:14] XRevan86 phanes: I also reject Doctor Who as my god. [19:14] geert but rather pretention to believe what one actualy then proof not got to understand so to say [19:14] XRevan86 and assert that he/she is not a real thing. [19:15] XRevan86 on top of that [19:15] phanes XRevan86, great, but irrelevant to the taxonomy of atheism as a religion over a faith-based assertion that there is no god [19:15] geert well anyways we cannot enforce development levels to one another [19:15] XRevan86 I can say that about *a lot* of things, which would make my religious belief infinitely long. [19:15] geert and since some of you kind of reflect some different perspectives i think i should try imagine a bit about it [19:16] phanes XRevan86, humans are irrevocably bound to faith as a component of logic [19:16] MinceR phanes: life is too short to spend it arguing with religious people. [19:16] XRevan86 TRUE AND TRUE = TRUE, therefore God. [19:16] phanes even when they are pretending otherwise, to themselves and others [19:17] phanes XRevan86, no thats just the dumber weaker argument you were more prepared to have -- i have made no assertion about the existence of God, only of the taxonomical designation of atheism as a religion [19:18] MinceR you have made such an assertion [19:18] MinceR you should have been more careful [19:18] phanes MinceR, it helps to read what is said and not what you wanted to argue with [19:18] XRevan86 phanes: I'll be ready to believe in God, or whichever, when I see some evidence for its existence. [19:19] phanes XRevan86, great, until then your ->religion is atheism [19:19] XRevan86 At this point it's like believing in the phantoms that Russian propaganda is constructing. [19:19] phanes i assume you're an atheist [19:19] XRevan86 Gods are phantoms, figments of human imagination. [19:19] phanes i don't confirm or dispute that [19:19] MinceR "not believing is believing" [19:19] MinceR again [19:20] XRevan86 There is evidence to support that conjecture. [19:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [19:20] phanes because i can differentiate between an argument about whether God exists and an argument about the classification of atheism as a religion [19:20] phanes you gotta pump those numbers up bub, this is rookie logic [19:21] XRevan86 phanes: I am atheist, and I don't give blind faith. [19:21] XRevan86 All I'm trying to show. [19:21] geert i dont think people can impose their subjective experiencing of spirituality just upon others their perspective [19:21] geert but i do get to know, for sure, that real faith/belief is *not* blind [19:22] geert its rather about *serious* facts, objectively, that ones subjective perception got kind of hold of [19:22] geert so to say [19:22] MinceR don't do it, then [19:22] TR News Small scale fishers call for halt to gas and oil exploration | GroundUp https://www.groundup.org.za/article/small-scale-fishers-call-for-halt-to-oceanic-gas-and-oil-exploration/ Source: groundup | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.groundup.org.za/article/small-scale-fishers-call-for-halt-to-oceanic-gas-and-oil-exploration/ [19:22] TR Bot Small scale fishers call for halt to gas and oil exploration | GroundUp [19:22] XRevan86 Ye can say all ye want that I don't trust therefore I trust in that there's no trust. [19:22] XRevan86 To me it's just silly. [19:22] phanes XRevan86, great, except, definitionally, those are contradictory assertions. you literally cannot subscribe to a religion without some degree of faith, and you profess to subscribe to a religion called atheism [19:23] XRevan86 phanes: I don't subscribe, I classify. [19:23] techuser there were some memes related, let me try to find them [19:23] geert classification with typifying should concern facts, if it doesnt i think its propaganda too [19:23] phanes XRevan86, if you're an atheist, you have some degree of faith in your belief system definitionally, so, when you say you don't give blind faith, it means you are either wrong about that or wrong about being an atheist. which is it? [19:24] XRevan86 phanes: So is my rejection of Putin also religious? [19:24] XRevan86 It's a lot stronger too. [19:25] geert i think we get to experience difficulties combining several differing subjective perspectives to more closely match objective reality [19:25] phanes XRevan86, only if you build a spiritual belief system around your rejection of putin [19:25] MinceR we're reaching ever greater heights of equivocation [19:25] XRevan86 phanes: I don't build a spiritual belief system over anything. [19:26] phanes if you say "putin is not god" and build an organized religious system around it, ok, that's aputinist atheism [19:26] XRevan86 phanes: That's kind of the point. [19:26] MinceR lol [19:26] phanes I accept your concession [19:26] MinceR wouldn't it be "aputinist" if it implied a belief in the nonexistence of putin? [19:26] XRevan86 phanes: So do ye agree that my being atheist doesn't mean I'm some freaky form of religious? [19:26] phanes no thats a scope error [19:27] techuser atheism is a religion / water is zero-alcohol vodka / non-smokers smoke absence of tobacco / bald is color hair / health is a disease / freedom is slavery / not to collect postage stamps is a hobby / vacuum is a gas / celibate is sex position / and so on [19:27] MinceR lol [19:27] phanes XRevan86, no I agree that you think that, and are wrong, because atheism is still a belief system rooted on a faith-based assertion that there is no deity. If you were to say you were agnostic, I would be forced to concede that is not a religion. [19:27] TR News Re: How Many Computers Do You Have? gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~nristen/gemlog/20220815.gmi "I am limiting my list to Laptops, Desktops, Raspberry Pis and VMs." [19:28] TR News (New Entry): GNOME 43.beta released https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/GNOME_43_beta_released.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/GNOME_43_beta_released.1.gmi [19:28] TR Bot Tux Machines GNOME 43.beta released" [19:28] XRevan86 phanes: But if my worldview involves no God in any shape or form, why would I not be atheist? [19:28] TR News (New Entry): IPFire 2.27 - Core Update 170 is available for testing https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/IPFire_2_27_Core_Update_170_is_available_for_testing.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/IPFire_2_27_Core_Update_170_is_available_for_testing.gmi [19:28] TR Bot Tux Machines IPFire 2.27 - Core Update 170 is available for testing" [19:28] XRevan86 Just like it doesn't involve Loch Ness, doesn't mean I *know* Loch Ness is not out there. [19:28] phanes XRevan86, you assert that you would change your mind in the presence of convincing evidence so that would technically classify you as agnostic [19:29] TR News (New Entry): 7 Big Changes Coming to Nautilus in GNOME 43 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/7_Big_Changes_Coming_to_Nautilus_in_GNOME_43.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/7_Big_Changes_Coming_to_Nautilus_in_GNOME_43.gmi [19:29] TR Bot Tux Machines 7 Big Changes Coming to Nautilus in GNOME 43 [19:29] TR News (New Entry): today's howtos https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/today_s_howtos.2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/today_s_howtos.2.gmi [19:29] TR Bot Tux Machines today's howtos [19:29] MinceR so, a belief in something that one is open to change in the presence of convincing evidence is not a belief? [19:29] XRevan86 phanes: Cool, now say this to literally every atheist out there and find out there the population of atheists is literally 0. [19:29] XRevan86 Turns out, every single one of them was agnostic all along. [19:29] phanes XRevan86, yes it really is a silly and low-order religion I'll give you that [19:29] TR News (New Entry): GNOME 43.beta released https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/GNOME_43_beta_released.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/GNOME_43_beta_released.gmi [19:29] TR Bot Tux Machines GNOME 43.beta released [19:30] TR News (New Entry): Announcing Steve Teixeira, Mozillas new Chief Product Officer https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Announcing_Steve_Teixeira_Mozilla_s_new_Chief_Product_Officer.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Announcing_Steve_Teixeira_Mozilla_s_new_Chief_Product_Officer.gmi [19:30] TR Bot Tux Machines Announcing Steve Teixeira, Mozillas new Chief Product Officer [19:30] XRevan86 Funny how semantics work. [19:30] MinceR so silly and low-order, it has 0 adherents? [19:30] phanes the atheist is the lowest caliber of philosophical thinker [19:30] MinceR ow the edge [19:30] britney church of the machine [19:30] phanes the agnostic, not so much at all, there is fire there [19:31] MinceR ok, who set the agnostics on fire? [19:31] TR News This is not an OS issue, it's about people installing and running malware https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/news/chinese-hacker-compromised-mimi/ [19:31] TR Bot Luckymouse Uses Compromised MiMi Chat App to Target Windows and Linux Systems - Infosecurity Magazine [19:31] TR News (New Entry): today's howtos https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/today_s_howtos.4.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/today_s_howtos.4.gmi [19:31] TR Bot Tux Machines today's howtos [19:31] XRevan86 phanes: Your definition of an atheist is such that no person on Earth qualifies. [19:31] *geert trying to eat some potatoes with beans :) [19:32] XRevan86 Wouldn't that mean there's something wrong with the definition? [19:32] phanes XRevan86, unfortunately no, there are many unreasonable people on the earth [19:32] TR News Company that put NSA back-doored ciphers in Linux kernel tries to reinvent itself (and its reputation) as Linux security champ https://thenewstack.io/google-ups-its-linux-security-awards/ [19:32] TR Bot Google Ups Its Linux Security Awards The New Stack [19:32] phanes it being unreasonable doesn't mean its not a religion [19:33] XRevan86 He who did not get my point at all says he is a greater philosopher. [19:33] MinceR lol [19:33] phanes particularly since the discussion is of taxonomy -- a classification does not require a lionshare of members [19:33] geert it seems like you trying to diagnose XRevan86!!1! [19:33] phanes its not that i didn't get your point [19:33] phanes its just a very dull and disproven point [19:33] geert diagnose, XRevan86* [19:33] phanes at this point it feels like bullying [19:33] phanes on my part [19:34] TR News This isn't a "Linux" issue; it's a "malware got installed on the OS" (in this case Linux) issue https://www.developer-tech.com/news/2022/aug/15/pypi-package-installs-cryptominer-on-linux-systems/ [19:34] TR Bot ( status 520 @ https://www.developer-tech.com/news/2022/aug/15/pypi-package-installs-cryptominer-on-linux-systems/ ) [19:34] MinceR ah yes, the diagnosis of "not a greater philosopher" [19:34] XRevan86 I say: "no person on Earth can be atheist under your definition" [19:34] MinceR i regret not studying psychology, it sounds hilarious [19:34] TR News With Linux you need some way in; with Windows there are back doors, so there's no parity here, just spin from a Microsoft site https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/new-gwisinlocker-ransomware-encrypts-windows-and-linux-esxi-servers/ [19:34] TR Bot New GwisinLocker ransomware encrypts Windows and Linux ESXi servers [19:34] XRevan86 Ye say: "well, they are unreasonable then" [19:35] TR News ...if you install malware on your system, mal (bad) things will happen. [19:35] XRevan86 What am I supposed to do with that judgement but conclude ye misunderstood me? [19:35] geert probably not assume more i guess [19:36] TR News # Affliction gemini://josias.dev/notion/affliction.gmi [19:36] *Bysword (~error144@jetv7h8uguemi.irc) has joined #techrights [19:36] TR News (New Entry): GNOME Celebrates 25th Anniversary with Beta Release of Upcoming GNOME 43 Desktop https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/GNOME_43_Beta_Released.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/GNOME_43_Beta_Released.gmi [19:36] TR Bot Tux Machines GNOME Celebrates 25th Anniversary with Beta Release of Upcoming GNOME 43 Desktop [19:36] techuser hi [19:36] MinceR https://apina.biz/188043.png?mode=sfw [19:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-http://apina.biz/188043.png [19:36] schestowitz[TR2] hi Bysword [19:36] Bysword sup [19:36] techuser some atheism talks [19:37] Bysword yape, I am here for it [19:37] techuser Bysword is a person who wants to convert everyone to Islam [19:37] Bysword to introduce myself, I am a Muslim, and that's enough introduction [19:37] schestowitz[TR2] with a sword? [19:37] Bysword so who here thinks atheism is something rational so I could show him how irrational it is? [19:37] phanes XRevan86, conclude whatever you like, but, your assertions indicate that you are an agnostic who believes he is an atheist, and that atheism is not rooted on a faith-based assertion about the existence of a deity instead of a deferment of assertion based on no evidence as assumed by you and all other agnostics [19:38] *phanes pulls out the bucket hat labeled "TIPS" and leaves it on the ground [19:39] *MinceR looks at the door [19:39] MinceR and here i thought this was #techrights, not #religion-advocacy [19:39] britney creation is a computer simulation and god is just a programmer [19:39] schestowitz[TR2] #techRITES [19:39] Bysword well, its tech rights, and talking about religion using tech is a RIGHT :P [19:39] MinceR rites of passage [19:39] MinceR religious technology [19:39] schestowitz[TR2] rites of whey [19:40] Bysword britney that's a bold claim to throw don't you think? [19:40] MinceR ooh, there is a Religious Technology Center [19:40] psydroid2 "by word or by sword" [19:40] britney Bysword, thats what I belieb [19:40] MinceR "live by the sword; trip and fall on your sword; die by the sword." [19:42] Bysword britney so tell me, you got a bad childhood that made you believe in such funny thing, right? :> [19:42] britney no [19:42] Bysword because I found that most people who believe in not so logical things, are brainless, so I need to check first [19:43] britney you think its brainless to assume the world is a computer simulation? [19:43] britney its hardly one of my crazy theories [19:43] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [19:43] MinceR and so the quality of the discourse falls down another rung [19:43] Bysword nah, I think its complete madness, but I am being nice here [19:43] phanes simulated reality is such an absurd suggestion. if this were a simulated reality you'd see obvious markers like [19:43] MinceR are you? [19:44] phanes a maximum speed or minimum tempoerature [19:44] phanes which is clearly.... [19:44] MinceR if this is being nice, what are you like when you aren't being nice? [19:44] phanes oh, shit [19:44] Bysword MinceR better not know, I won't stay here for so long, because its seem there isn't a real atheism VS religion talk [19:45] techuser Bysword did say he is an Islamic terrorist iirc [19:45] Bysword thought I will found someone who has an argument for atheism, but sadly as always, its just trolling, because its easy to act as an animal when you think there is no God [19:45] britney looks like we got a religious troll [19:46] britney as if God is less crazy than simulation theory [19:46] MinceR all humans act as animals, by definition [19:46] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights [19:46] phanes Bysword, dont you think we'd be eating you if any of us were acting like animals [19:46] MinceR though non-human animals do tend to behave with more decency [19:46] britney MinceR, i love pussy... cats [19:46] phanes im not gonna lie though, in a starving survival situation every one of you is on the menu [19:46] MinceR grab them by the pussy... cats [19:46] Bysword britney psychologically speaking, believing in God is the default and the normal for humans ^_^ [19:47] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [19:47] MinceR phanes: you'd need a menu when you're starving? [19:47] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights [19:47] Bysword but yah I won't expect someone who went as far as believing he is in simulation, to understand anything biological [19:48] MinceR ooh, i sense a lecture on biology coming from someone whose identity is based on not understanding biology [19:48] britney he is in simulation <-- u mean she [19:48] Bysword phanes nah, I said animals like pigs or donkeys, they can't eat humans :P [19:48] *phanes <3's on britney introducing philosophical newgen that isn't compatible with biology to ridicul someone arguing about biology [19:48] MinceR and you're wrong again [19:48] Bysword MinceR talking to me? [19:48] MinceR yes [19:49] MinceR pigs are omnivores, they'll happily eat meat [19:49] MinceR and i suspect that even donkeys will, under the right circumstances [19:49] MinceR i've seen a video of a horse eating a chick [19:49] MinceR (young chicken) [19:49] phanes yeah even herbivores will turn to the dark side [19:49] Bysword stupid strawman, I said they can't eat humans, if you think a pig or donkey can, then I can't help. [19:50] Bysword and rather then starting an argument, you went collecting for pathetic joke mistake [19:50] phanes pigs absolutely will eat a person Bysword [19:50] phanes Bysword, in fact, feeing a human to pigs is a rather common way to try to get rid of the body in murders [19:50] MinceR ...and another rung [19:50] Bysword MinceR also what do you mean "identity is based on not understanding biology"? [19:51] MinceR 15 203712 < Bysword> to introduce myself, I am a Muslim, and that's enough introduction [19:51] MinceR that. [19:52] Bysword phanes "good" to know [19:52] Bysword MinceR stupid logic, so being a Muslim means you don't understand biology? [19:52] MinceR yes it does [19:52] Bysword so what will we do about all these Ph.D is biology who are also Muslims? [19:52] MinceR and since it was the first thing you said about yourself, it must be a pretty important element of who you think you are [19:52] MinceR hopefully they disregard enough of their religion so it doesn't get in their way [19:53] MinceR but theirs is a difficult battle [19:53] Bysword yes it is, I am a Muslim and that's the most important thing about me [19:53] MinceR and so is every abrahamist's who attempts to learn and practice science [19:54] Bysword fallacy of generalization, for what reason would a Muslim "disregard" his religion for biology? [19:54] Bysword because of "joke" of evolution? [19:54] MinceR ah, so biology is a "joke" to you [19:54] MinceR well, that's why [19:54] britney yay im not the craziest person here anymore [19:54] Bysword stupid logic, evolution is not biology [19:55] Bysword and you could very well get Ph.D in biology without knowing a thing about evolution [19:55] MinceR evolution is an important part of biology [19:55] Bysword because it is mostly useless [19:55] MinceR well yeah, there are diploma mills around the world [19:55] Bysword and I challenge you to give me a reason for why would someone bother to learn it [19:55] MinceR and as fundamentalism and anti-intellectualism spreads, so they multiply [19:55] *KiKi_ has quit (connection closed) [19:56] phanes Bysword is correct; evolution is not biology, and MinceR's expression is a little bigotted -- /most/ of the big contributors to the fields of science have been followers of abrahamic faiths [19:56] MinceR in this country the central bank is headed by a person who can't count yet got a degree from the "karl marx university" in economics [19:56] phanes it ignores history and present day [19:56] MinceR and all of those big contributors learned to ignore the dogma of their faiths so they could contribute [19:56] MinceR and their contributions contradict religious dogma [19:57] britney phanes, whats that? [19:57] Bysword MinceR red herring fallacy, could you focus on one topic and give some arguments? I don't have the whole day [19:57] MinceR that's amusing [19:57] phanes he may need to bounce around, he's getting chopped to bits on these topics [19:57] XRevan86 Bysword: "so who here thinks atheism is something rational so I could show him how irrational it is?" <- I mean, I do recognise the irrational component when someone's going to be one with a stick if they choose that path. [19:57] MinceR but i'm not going to argue [19:57] MinceR life is too short to argue with fundies [19:58] MinceR especially one whose main argument is "durr hurr you're stoopid" [19:58] phanes im not a fundy, i just can hang with the math ;) [19:58] Bysword XRevan86 explain more [19:58] XRevan86 phanes: "your assertions indicate that you are an agnostic who believes he is an atheist" <- Or your assertions indicate that ye have an arbitrary distinction. [19:59] Bysword MinceR so you spend like 5 mins red herring, only to conclude with "not going to argue" LOL [19:59] phanes XRevan86, no need to be bitter, just learn from the experience and come back more thought out for round 2. You'll lose round 2 but you'll be able to hang with round 3 eventually. [19:59] TR News Linux 6.0 Release Candidate Lands, but Linus Insists Version Is Just a Number https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Linus_Torvalds_Linux_6_0_rc1.shtml [19:59] TR Bot Tux Machines UPDATEDx7 [19:59] MinceR Bysword: so you're monitoring what i spend my time on? [19:59] Bysword MinceR nope, I am monitoring my time, I spend 5 mins reading red herring, which came from you :> ● Aug 15 [20:00] MinceR yet another wrong assumption on your part, then [20:00] Bysword anyway, anyone else here has an argument for atheism or evolution? [20:00] XRevan86 "psychologically speaking, believing in God is the default and the normal for humans" <- Only when introduced with upbringing, but unreasonable assumptions and superstitions are a commonality indeed. [20:00] MinceR it didn't take that long for me to type my messages [20:00] TR News Nitrux 2.2.1 Quick overview #linux #Nitrux https://yewtu.be/watch?v=IIFsx8OufCw | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/IIFsx8OufCw [20:00] TR Bot ( status 500 @ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=IIFsx8OufCw ) [20:00] Bysword Xrevan86 you could of asked me for my sources lol [20:01] Bysword https://bigthink.com/the-well/atheism-rare-rational/ [20:01] TR Bot Atheism is not as rare or as rational as you think - Big Think [20:01] TR News "On this episode of This Week in Linux: Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS, Kali Linux 2022.3, Rescuezilla 2.4, GitLab To Delete Dormant Projects?, JingOS & JingPad Discontinued?, CuteFishOS Disappears" https://tuxdigital.com/podcasts/this-week-in-linux/twil-209/ [20:01] TR Bot Ubuntu LTS, Kali Linux, Rescuezilla, GitLab and more Linux news! - This Week in Linux - TuxDigital [20:01] Bysword Be Right back, I must pray [20:01] MinceR argumentum ad verecundiam fallacy [20:03] *Skywave (~SkywaveC3@t3hx7z6z4ta2e.irc) has joined #techrights [20:04] TR News Bluestar 5.19.1 is out https://sourceforge.net/projects/bluestarlinux/ [20:04] TR Bot download | SourceForge.net [20:08] TR News (New Entry): Parrot Security OS: #HowTo Install It and What to Expect https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Parrot_Security_OS_How_to_Install_It_and_What_to_Expect.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Parrot_Security_OS_How_to_Install_It_and_What_to_Expect.gmi [20:08] TR Bot Tux Machines Parrot Security OS: How to Install It and What to Expect [20:09] MinceR https://apina.biz/187877.jpg?mode=sfw [20:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-http://apina.biz/187877.jpg [20:11] XRevan86 "because of "joke" of evolution?" <- Read up to this point. Good stuff. [20:11] MinceR lol [20:12] XRevan86 Bysword: "explain more" <- On a strictly personal level, it is irrational to have opinions that will get one beaten up. [20:12] geert opinions dont get people beaten up [20:12] geert its more lack of other people dealing it properly resulting in tendencies to beat up [20:13] geert anyways i should go and i think im sorry to go like that after i got to push some remarks [20:13] XRevan86 geert: Prisoner of Conscience is a thing. [20:13] geert because its probably better if one try finish discussion in better manner [20:14] geert well sometimes it might seem that its a thing but i dont think it necessarily should [20:14] geert you should misbehave less with such assumptions and preferably not mix assumptions with assertions too [20:14] XRevan86 geert: Of course it shouldn't. [20:14] geert assertions seem more like suggestions in some sense i guess [20:14] XRevan86 But being an atheist under Taliban rule is irrational, all I'm trying to say. [20:15] XRevan86 Not related to atheism being irrational or not. [20:16] geert i dont think its per definition irrational because of taliban rule [20:16] geert no i dont think that [20:16] XRevan86 https://themoscowtimes.com/2018/05/15/a61450 This sort of thing. [20:16] geert gimme sec [20:16] TR Bot Russia Tells UN There Are No Gays in Chechnya [20:17] TR News Libera.Chat... not as friend of the FSF's founder... https://www.fsf.org/events/fsd-20220819-irc [20:17] TR Bot Free Software Directory meeting on IRC: Friday, August 19, starting at 12:00 EDT (16:00 UTC) Free Software Foundation Working together for free software [20:17] MinceR being an atheist and admitting to being an atheist are 2 different things [20:17] MinceR similarly with being gay and admitting to being gay [20:18] XRevan86 MinceR: True, but on a grand scale the difference is minimal. [20:18] geert oof thats kind of allegations in multiple directions!~ [20:18] geert i think theres lots of malicious stuff called 'politics' in there [20:18] XRevan86 MinceR: Faith doesn't need to be honest to propagate as such. [20:18] MinceR indeed [20:19] geert i think its terrible, horrible, if people are slaughtering and doing nasty things to each other because different sexual, religious etc. experiences [20:19] geert faith/believe needs to be honest or its kind of imposing [20:19] geert and it cannot just be blind like that or people pretend to belief stuff they dont get [20:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [20:20] geert as it appears to me, so to say [20:20] geert although now i should go [20:20] geert didnt mean to confuse ya'll kk? [20:20] geert theres some things things but i gotto say that like with that hoffie guy, theres some surprising amount of more serious discussion here [20:21] MinceR get someone to watch your high horse's step so it won't stumble [20:21] geert yea unlike many other very utterly close minded supposedly open minded, it seems theres more open minded favoring here with many people [20:21] TR News HPE Slingshot Makes The GPUs Do Control Plane Compute https://www.nextplatform.com/2022/08/15/hpe-slingshot-makes-the-gpus-do-control-plane-compute/ [20:21] TR Bot HPE Slingshot Makes The GPUs Do Control Plane Compute [20:21] geert even if very subjective types like mincer and xrevan86 get a bit difficulties imagining some things [20:21] TR News (New Entry): Security and FUD: Google and Blaming Malware on "Linux" https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Security_and_FUD_Google_and_Blaming_Malware_on_Linux.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Security_and_FUD_Google_and_Blaming_Malware_on_Linux.gmi [20:21] TR Bot Tux Machines Security and FUD: Google and Blaming Malware on "Linux"" [20:22] XRevan86 The least religious are the most subjective. [20:22] geert conditioning/cultivating gets very nasty effects with many people [20:22] MinceR another diagnosis [20:22] TR News (New Entry): Android Developers Blog: Android 13 is in AOSP! https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Android_Developers_Blog_Android_13_is_in_AOSP.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Android_Developers_Blog_Android_13_is_in_AOSP.gmi [20:22] TR Bot Tux Machines Android Developers Blog: Android 13 is in AOSP! [20:22] XRevan86 That sounds right. [20:22] MinceR yeah, apparently geert's subject is the object [20:22] MinceR it's supposed to be the little box we're all living in [20:22] MinceR too bad we can't feel geert's spiritual experiences :( [20:23] geert well you shouldnt necessarily act up so seemingly offensive mincer [20:23] geert it even isnt really decent fishing either!~ [20:23] MinceR don't worry, we're used to outragists by now [20:23] TR News "Two years ago I wrote here that as far as today goes, it is interesting (but sadly unsurprising) to read that as progressive and egalitarian as it is, Silicon Valley seems to ruin Dalit lives just like Trantor, or ancient India." https://stop.zona-m.net/2022/08/castes-are-still-castes-in-silicon-valley/ [20:23] TR Bot Castes are still castes in Silicon Valley | Stop at Zona-M [20:23] geert i should drop on all 'geerts subjectivity' as we should all try combine the subjective out of us and try gain more/better objective understanding [20:24] geert the more real understanding, the more subjective pretense is replaced by it so to say [20:24] geert but it takes a bit of experiencing some time to get there so to say [20:24] TR News "Sounds created for GNOME 43 were generated on a mini-computer called Teensy (currently unavailable due to the global chip shortage), running software called Dirtywave Headless written by Timothy Lamb" https://blog.jimmac.eu/2022/new-alert-sounds/ [20:24] TR Bot New Alert Sounds - Even a Stopped Clock [20:24] geert mincer im not seething if you try mix that with outraged too [20:24] MinceR outragism doesn't imply real outrage [20:24] geert there got to be such type in #2600 who got some issues going regarding 'seething' :/ [20:25] geert as in the tendency to doesnt necessarily reflect the act itself [20:25] geert hm that would suggest that i would be triggering some reactions possibly i think [20:25] geert so you question the sincerity of some stances as it appear to me [20:26] geert or you possibly dont get some other words, too, which would not be too surprising given past experiences [20:26] Bysword back [20:26] geert hmmm. [20:26] geert Bysword :) [20:26] geert well well well maybe we get to share some views later on [20:27] geert this place really seem to favor better open minded, in some so called 'hacker spaces' insecurities seem to roam around in quite alarming manners! [20:27] geert plz better not misbehave as much as possible :D [20:27] Bysword XRevan86, so you got nothing to say but throw baseless comments on text that didn't consider your existence? [20:27] *geert has quit (Quit: leaving) [20:29] XRevan86 "Contemplating the existence of a god or gods is a uniquely human endeavor." <- It comes with the imagination. [20:29] XRevan86 And the social behaviour of course. [20:30] Bysword Also "Evolution is a Scientific Joke" is a list of articles I wrote long ago to list common arguments against evolution that the atheist keep circling despite proven invalid, read more here:https://universalpath.codeberg.page/ [20:30] TR Bot Universal Path [20:30] TR News (New Entry): liveslak 1.6.0 feature release, plus a new set of ISOs for Slackware Live Edition https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/liveslak_1_6_0.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/liveslak_1_6_0.gmi [20:30] TR Bot Tux Machines liveslak 1.6.0 feature release, plus a new set of ISOs for Slackware Live Edition [20:30] Bysword I have to note that they need more refactoring, however the general ideas and sources are there [20:31] XRevan86 Bysword: And ye the author of the "Bucha is a hoax" thing too, by the chance? [20:31] XRevan86 * by any chance [20:31] Bysword heh funny funny [20:31] Bysword stupid troll [20:32] *Bysword has quit (connection closed) [20:33] *Bysword (~error144@8tc5hzgihvxg4.irc) has joined #techrights [20:33] CrystalMath hi Bysword [20:33] Bysword sup [20:34] Bysword so, is this the entire atheism vs religion thing that was going on here? [20:36] Bysword what a waste of valuable time, in all cases everyone if free to GOOGLE the arguments again atheism, there is like 100s of it, with so many books/talks/articles explaining why atheism is irrational, so in case you haven't checked those and think that it is right, then you have confirmation bias, or simply biased. [20:36] Bysword that's it for me, am out. [20:36] *Bysword has quit (Quit: Leaving) [20:37] XRevan86 if free to GOOGLE the arguments again religion, there is like 100000s of it [20:38] TR News [RFC PATCH 02/14] drm/qaic: Add uapi and core driver file https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2022-August/367830.html Source: Qualcomm | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2022-August/367830.html [20:38] TR Bot [RFC PATCH 02/14] drm/qaic: Add uapi and core driver file [20:39] britney he quit so that nobody could convince him to be an atheist [20:39] *techuser has quit (connection closed) [20:40] *techuser (~techuser@dfm7tgzdnjr32.irc) has joined #techrights [20:41] XRevan86 britney: I don't think that's possible. [20:41] britney that's it for me, am out. [20:41] britney * Bysword has quit (Quit: Leaving) [20:43] XRevan86 britney: If a person thinks that evolution is not a thing, they're likely a creationist. 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Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [21:20] TR News Links 15/08/2022: liveslak 1.6.0 and Android 13 is in AOSP | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/15/links-15082022-liveslak-1-6-0-and-android-13-is-in-aosp/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/15/links-15082022-liveslak-1-6-0-and-android-13-is-in-aosp/ [21:20] TR Bot Links 15/08/2022: liveslak 1.6.0 and Android 13 is in AOSP | Techrights [21:20] TR News (New Entry): Hardware/Modding/Hacking: Plotly, Arduino, and Xiaomi IoT thermometers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Hardware_Modding_Hacking_Plotly_Arduino_and_Xiaomi_IoT_thermome.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Hardware_Modding_Hacking_Plotly_Arduino_and_Xiaomi_IoT_thermome.gmi [21:20] TR Bot Tux Machines Hardware/Modding/Hacking: Plotly, Arduino, and Xiaomi IoT thermometers [21:20] TR News (New Entry): today's howtos https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/today_s_howtos.5.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/today_s_howtos.5.gmi [21:20] TR Bot Tux Machines today's howtos [21:20] TR News (New Entry): today's leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/today_s_leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/today_s_leftovers.1.gmi [21:20] TR Bot Tux Machines today's leftovers [21:20] TR News (New Entry): Videos/Shows: RapidDisk, This Week in Linux, and Nitrux 2.2.1" https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Videos_Shows_RapidDisk_This_Week_in_Linux_and_Nitrux_2_2_1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Videos_Shows_RapidDisk_This_Week_in_Linux_and_Nitrux_2_2_1.gmi [21:20] TR Bot Tux Machines Videos/Shows: RapidDisk, This Week in Linux, and Nitrux 2.2.1" [21:24] TR News Formatting Plain Text Copies in Vi gemini://pwshnotes.flounder.online/gemlog/2022-08-15-formatting-vim.gmi [21:24] TR News "It's been a while since I posted here! How is everyone doing? Lately I've been working on a gemini search engine." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1099 [21:48] *darwin has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Aug 15 [22:06] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:11] XRevan86 I want to point out that it being only humans that have religion is not necessarily a fact. [22:12] XRevan86 And a lot of animals have the building blocks, they just lack the sophistication that comes with advanced communication. [22:12] XRevan86 In a sense, human religion is so distinctively human because it evolved with the most uniquely human thing of all: speech. [22:14] XRevan86 no other animal is capable of conveying and retaining thoughts this well. [22:15] XRevan86 "how disbelief in gods can exist within an otherwise religious species" <- How programmers can exist within an otherwise programmerless species? [22:17] XRevan86 I find the "born believers" "fact" very funny. So ye tell me if a human is brought up in an isolated chamber with no cultural interference, they're going to pray to God randomly, because that's a built-in feature? [22:17] XRevan86 Or maybe, just maybe, it has something to do with the environment. [22:19] XRevan86 "In study after study, our respondents intuitively assume that people doing immoral deeds like these dont believe in gods" <- I guess it's my biases, but my experience is pretty much the opposite. [22:19] XRevan86 So I'd assume they do, like Hitler. [22:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [22:20] phanes XRevan86, yes. that is exactly what they do. atheists are unheard of in non-advanced civilizations. [22:20] phanes i think your beef is with abrahamic religions and not the concept of religion [22:21] XRevan86 phanes: It's like a curve. [22:21] XRevan86 If an animal has no advanced speech, it's too primitive for religion. [22:22] XRevan86 But humans in developed countries also tend to get less religious. [22:22] phanes in any case, yes, dislocating a bunch of babies at birth and leaving them on an island, within 2 or 3 generations you'll have a spiritual beleif system form and it wont be atheism [22:22] XRevan86 phanes: Right, but that would be "filling up the gaps with nonsense" rather than an inherent belief in god. [22:22] phanes specific religions is a conditioning thing. the existence of religion is not. [22:24] phanes right this is the part where you have that "ah ha" moment where you're realizing your argument is against abraham and not the taxonomy [22:24] XRevan86 Anyway, that article is pretty much trash. [22:24] XRevan86 But ye didn't need me to tell you that. [22:26] XRevan86 > To me, this intricate cultural evolutionary play is infinitely more fascinating and fulfilling than the shallow, wholesale dismissal of religion offered by vocal public atheists. [22:26] XRevan86 Sure thing, but last I checked humanity is not a zoo. [22:27] phanes It's a false premise. Atheists do not wholesale dismiss "religion". They merely pretend to while forming one of their own, just as all abrahamic faiths claim the others are not valid. [22:27] XRevan86 phanes: Those atheists of whom ye speak, do not exist as we established. [22:28] phanes Well sure they do I'm talking to one right now. [22:28] XRevan86 phanes: Am I not "an agnostic"? [22:28] phanes Oh, fair enough [22:29] phanes I am unaccustomed to changing someone's religion on IRC through debate, I mean, we barely know each other, at least scream in all caps at me first. [22:32] MinceR 15 231728 < XRevan86> I find the "born believers" "fact" very funny. So ye tell me if a human is brought up in an isolated chamber with no cultural interference, they're going to pray to God randomly, because that's a built-in feature? [22:32] MinceR they'll pray to yahweh and they'll write genesis [22:32] XRevan86 phanes: There is something similiar to theism in the modern day and age by the way: https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/001/299/change1.jpg [22:32] XRevan86 And my position on extraterrestrials is exactly the same. [22:33] MinceR nonhuman animals are less capable hosts for memes so they don't get infected with religion [22:33] XRevan86 Maybe I am subscribed to a no-aliens religion :) [22:33] XRevan86 MinceR: That is accurate. [22:33] MinceR https://carmageddon.fandom.com/wiki/I_Want_to_Berieve [22:33] TR Bot I Want to Berieve | Carmageddon Wiki | Fandom [22:35] XRevan86 https://lurkmore.rip/images/5/51/Ppsssz.jpg [22:36] MinceR :) [22:36] XRevan86 MinceR: Of course Bysword is not here right now to see his article smashed to pieces. [22:36] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #techrights [22:38] XRevan86 Wish I thought of the extraterrestrials example sooner, there are quasi-religions formed around the topic, and they have nothing to do with theism. [22:38] XRevan86 Humans are born believers in aliens, but only since the XIX century. [22:39] XRevan86 Before that? Not so much. Different humans maybe. [22:47] XRevan86 https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/08/15/navalny-placed-in-solitary-confinement-for-three-days-for-regularly-unbuttoning-top-button-of-prison-robe-news "Navalny placed in solitary confinement for three days for regularly unbuttoning top button of prison robe" [22:47] TR Bot . [22:48] XRevan86 Possibly because he formed a prison union. [22:48] XRevan86 Yea, this guy tries to organise a movement *anywhere*. [22:49] XRevan86 CIT (War in Ukraine): https://telegra.ph/Dispatch-for-August-13--14-08-15 [22:49] TR Bot Dispatch for August 13 14 Telegraph [22:50] psydroid2 live by the sword and die by the kitchen knife with the blessing of the Swordfish [22:54] MinceR or with the blessing of the Dopefish [22:56] XRevan86 https://axios.com/2022/08/15/afghanistan-taliban-us-withdrawal-anniversary Their sovereign right to wreck the country. [22:56] TR Bot Taliban-controlled Afghanistan: A year after U.S. withdrawal [22:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 11.23 k/sec., IPFS upstream 67.81 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 [22:59] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) ● Aug 15 [23:04] XRevan86 What can one do, the people have spoken, it's a democractically elected gove oh wait, it's a religious fundamentalist military junta. 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