●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, September 15, 2022 ●●
● Sep 15
[00:00]	schestowitz[TR]	alpine is stunningly simple
[00:00]	DaemonFC	The Republicans benefit from the Electoral College. There's about a 5 or 6% chance that they'll lost the national popular vote and become "elected" by party hacks.
[00:00]	techuser	can they suddenly announce end of support?
[00:00]	schestowitz[TR]	it's like a dozen processes
[00:00]	DaemonFC	*lose
[00:00]	schestowitz[TR]	and not even gnu
[00:00]	schestowitz[TR]	busybox and stuff
[00:00]	schestowitz[TR]	no manpages at all
[00:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	womanpages?
[00:00]	DaemonFC	There's no situation where that would help Democrats.
[00:00]	schestowitz[TR]	since we took online the new tuxmahcines zero downtime
[00:00]	starstreak	<schestowitz[TR]> techuser: britney ran windows 3.1 with this irc network
[00:00]	starstreak	<highest_cubist_thrills> shes a dork :)
[00:00]	techuser	like "very few users use these old clients, they can upgrade or gtfo"
[00:00]	starstreak	windows 3.11
[00:00]	schestowitz[TR]	literally zero
[00:00]	techuser	does it work with TLS btw?
[00:01]	techuser	ergo ircd by default disables non-TLS
[00:01]	DaemonFC	All of the states they do well in are blue states, landslide elections, and the Electoral College keeps them contained and marginalized.
[00:01]	DaemonFC	Which is how it functions.
[00:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	<starstreak> <highest_cubist_thrills> shes a dork :) <- its not untrue
[00:01]	schestowitz[TR]	starstreak: it took off at 11
[00:01]	schestowitz[TR]	but I thought 3.1 was already adpted by some
[00:01]	schestowitz[TR]	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_3.1x
[00:01]	TR Bot	 Windows 3.1x - Wikipedia
[00:01]	schestowitz[TR]	ads
[00:01]	schestowitz[TR]	warning: wikipedia=ads
[00:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	what?
[00:02]	starstreak	Windows 3.11 was a bugfix release over 3.1
[00:02]	schestowitz[TR]	yeah
[00:02]	MinceR	personpages
[00:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	the fuck?
[00:02]	schestowitz[TR]	i think i had 3.1 on floppies
[00:02]	DaemonFC	The system we have now grants the most weighted political power to states that (a) have deeply unpopular policies (at a national level) and (b) not only don't pay for our system of government, but take in a third more than they pay.
[00:02]	schestowitz[TR]	my mom threw these away already
[00:02]	MinceR	together they form a personual.
[00:02]	schestowitz[TR]	that was early 90s
[00:02]	schestowitz[TR]	they came with new PCs
[00:02]	DaemonFC	"Hey, let's give all the power to a bunch of retards who are living on welfare." The modern Electoral College.
[00:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	<schestowitz[TR]> warning: wikipedia=ads <- ?
[00:02]	DaemonFC	"What's the worst that could happen?"
[00:02]	starstreak	i originally had windows 3.1 and then my dad upgraded it to windows for workgroups 3.11
[00:03]	DaemonFC	Oh, Trump, right.
[00:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	<- dos 3,3
[00:03]	starstreak	highest_cubist_thrills, yes im a dork :D
[00:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	then windows 3.0
[00:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	 yes im a dork :D <- i know :)
[00:03]	schestowitz[TR]	msdos was not de facto standard yet
[00:03]	starstreak	my first dos was ms-dos 6.22
[00:03]	schestowitz[TR]	many ran other doses
[00:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	actually
[00:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	i think my first dos was ibm dos (3.3)
[00:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	but thats just rebadged msdos
[00:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	so
[00:04]	MinceR	15 010251 < DaemonFC> "Hey, let's give all the power to a bunch of retards who are living on welfare." The modern Electoral College.
[00:04]	MinceR	every state ever?
[00:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	"i use ibmdos btw"
[00:04]	TR News	HID: logitech-hidpp: Enable HID++ for all the Logitech Bluetooth devices https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/hid/hid.git/commit/?h=for-next&id=532223c8ac57605a10e46dc0ab23dcf01c9acb43
[00:04]	MinceR	(since representatives, etc. are paid by the state)
[00:04]	TR Bot	 kernel/git/hid/hid.git - HID Group's fork of hid.git
[00:04]	schestowitz[TR]	i use usenet btw
[00:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	i use eniac btw
[00:05]	starstreak	schestowitz[TR], you still use usenet btw?
[00:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me sets the waybac for the 1950s
[00:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	omg, grace hopper! you invented basic sort of!
[00:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	"well, not exactly"
[00:05]	techuser	> Wikipedia=ads | Wikipedia is too big. Trust issues.
[00:05]		*starstreak_win311 (~ender.shepard@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #techrights
[00:06]	techuser	hi
[00:06]	starstreak_win311	haiii
[00:06]	TR News	"Todays spaghetti comes from my new favorite brand of spaghetti feed, vkoverhead. Its a simple brand, but it really gets the job done when it comes to growing great spaghetti." https://www.supergoodcode.com/spaghetti-recipes/
[00:06]	TR Bot	 Spaghetti Recipes Mike Blumenkrantz Super. Good. Code.
[00:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	 Wikipedia=ads <- i still dont know what hes on about
[00:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	ROFL
[00:06]	starstreak_win311	ssl doesn't work obviously
[00:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	are you on win3.1 right now?
[00:06]	starstreak_win311	yeah
[00:06]	starstreak_win311	3.11
[00:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	 rofl
[00:06]	techuser	cuddlybear66: > haiii | similar style?
[00:06]	starstreak_win311	XD
[00:07]	TR News	Open source machine learning for video compression https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/blog/2022/09/14/open-source-machine-learning-for-video-compression/ Source: Collabora | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/blog/2022/09/14/open-source-machine-learning-for-video-compression/
[00:07]	TR Bot	 Open source machine learning for video compression
[00:07]	TR News	"the last piece of the puzzle" https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/18564
[00:07]	TR Bot	 Draft: mesa/st: add software-fallback for LATC (!18564) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab
[00:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me starts up winnuke and nudges starstreak offline
[00:08]	starstreak_win311	winnuke was for 9x
[00:08]	techuser	TLS first
[00:08]	TR News	mesa/st: add software-fallback for S3TC (!18180) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/18180 Source: Tor | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/18180
[00:08]	TR Bot	 mesa/st: add software-fallback for S3TC (!18180) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab
[00:08]	techuser	then something else
[00:08]	techuser	then custom protocol
[00:08]	techuser	then deprecation of IRC
[00:08]	starstreak_win311	this OS is 30 years old
[00:08]	techuser	"no TLS is insecure"
[00:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	leave it to microsoft and theyll deprecates 1s and 0s
[00:08]	techuser	"we need to get rid of it"
[00:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	 <starstreak_win311> this OS is 30 years ol <- omg its almost older than you
[00:09]	schestowitz[TR]	techuser: you panic too much over ircv3
[00:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me uses trs-80 btw
[00:09]	starstreak_win311	MS-DOS 6.22 is 1994 and Windows 3.x is 1993
[00:09]	schestowitz[TR]	and you didn't reply when I asked what you dislike about it
[00:10]	techuser	feature creep
[00:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	feature creep is a real problem
[00:10]	techuser	until they reach Matrix/Discord/whatever point
[00:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	im not entirely sure tls is though
[00:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	tls should be optional though
[00:11]	techuser	then they may introduce breaking changes at some point
[00:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	if roy thinks theres no threat of deprecating non-tls then he hasnt been paying attention
[00:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	i mean
[00:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	they did it to the web
[00:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	they can do it to irc
[00:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	im not sure we need to worry...
[00:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	but its not stupid to worry about this
[00:11]	techuser	they do it to IRC
[00:11]	techuser	ergo does
[00:11]	techuser	they disable non-TLS by default
[00:12]	techuser	and its manual discourages enabling it
[00:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	a manual encouraging security isnt so bad
[00:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	if youre worried about deprecating reliable protocols though
[00:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	you should understand how github fits into this
[00:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	and read the halloween documents
[00:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	they specifically talk about hijacking protocols
[00:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	like that hasnt already happened
[00:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	first they say theyre going to do it-- then they do it-- then everybody says they didnt do it and arent doing it
[00:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats what they do
[00:14]	schestowitz[TR]	<highest_cubist_thrills> they did it to the web
[00:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	they did
[00:14]	schestowitz[TR]	no, different situation
[00:14]	schestowitz[TR]	who is there?
[00:14]	schestowitz[TR]	irc has no w3c
[00:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	rofl
[00:14]	schestowitz[TR]	and on the web the decision are made by the client side
[00:14]	schestowitz[TR]	ie.e. chrom* and clones
[00:14]	schestowitz[TR]	plus Gulag Mozilla
[00:14]	schestowitz[TR]	they start blocking things
[00:15]	schestowitz[TR]	with IRC there are many clients
[00:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me pats roys head
[00:15]	schestowitz[TR]	and as long as most support NON-TLS, we are OK
[00:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	someday youll be a REAL BOY
[00:15]	schestowitz[TR]	if the back end server deprecates that, we choose another ircd
[00:15]	techuser	Libera.Chat enforces SASL for certain IP ranges
[00:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	all im saying is
[00:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	if techuser is too worried
[00:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	youre not worried enough
[00:16]	DaemonFC	<techuser> Libera.Chat enforces SASL for certain IP ranges
[00:16]	DaemonFC	VPNs.
[00:16]		*schestowitz[TR] read on
[00:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	<techuser> Libera.Chat enforces SASL <- yes, but theyre morons
[00:16]	schestowitz[TR]	the irc logs
[00:16]	DaemonFC	I haven't hit any on Mullvad yet.
[00:16]	MinceR	and the "open source" bros already moved to shitcord
[00:16]	DaemonFC	It was getting difficult with Libera and NordVPN.
[00:16]	techuser	but for most IRC users, I guess Libera.Chat is necessary
[00:16]		*schestowitz[TR] .. and saw highest_cubist_thrills has already beaten him to it
[00:17]	schestowitz[TR]	*had
[00:17]		*psydruid will sign the letter too ... the scarlet letter
[00:17]	techuser	and so the shit will be introduced in mainstream clients
[00:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	<MinceR> and the "open source" bros already moved to shitcord <- good maybe theyll leave us alone before irc requires systemd :)
[00:17]	MinceR	why not the Bloodletter?
[00:17]	techuser	and other clients will get abandoned
[00:17]	schestowitz[TR]	the concern about ircv3 seems to be theoretical mostly at this point
[00:17]	MinceR	https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Bloodletter
[00:17]	TR Bot	 Bloodletter - Warhammer 40k - Lexicanum
[00:17]	DaemonFC	Even SeaMonkey supports IRCv3.
[00:17]	schestowitz[TR]	btw, tls in irc is not real security at all levels
[00:17]	DaemonFC	They worked a bunch of that in, in a point update to the Suite about a year ago.
[00:18]	schestowitz[TR]	the irc network can still spy and sell data
[00:18]	schestowitz[TR]	for some irc clients they added e2ee
[00:18]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz[TR]> btw, tls in irc is not real security at all levels
[00:18]	schestowitz[TR]	so you can send encoded messsages between users
[00:18]	schestowitz[TR]	I think not many irc clients support this
[00:18]	DaemonFC	No it's not, but it's better than Plaintext if you have a nibshit ISP.
[00:18]	schestowitz[TR]	with padlock and all
[00:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	<psydruid> ACTION will sign the letter too <- https://yewtu.be/watch?v=jZOywn1qArI
[00:18]	DaemonFC	Like most people now do.
[00:18]	TR Bot	 Taken Phone Speech [HD] - Invidious
[00:19]	DaemonFC	People can log IRC channels, but the fewer things are in some centralized Comcast database, the better.
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[00:19]	schestowitz[TR]	wait, WHAT
[00:19]	schestowitz[TR]	comcast is trusted
[00:19]	schestowitz[TR]	according to CIA Mozilla
[00:19]	DaemonFC	If they see anything, it's a scrambled Wireguard connection.
[00:19]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2020/06/25/mozilla-comcast/
[00:19]	TR Bot	 Mozilla Shames Itself and Harms Its Reputation by Stating That Comcast Has Taken Major Steps to Protect Customer Privacy | Techrights
[00:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[00:20]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2022/09/10/mozilla-three-letter-agencies/
[00:20]	TR Bot	 Mozilla Hired Top-Level Managers Directly From the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), Can They Be Trusted on Privacy? | Techrights
[00:20]	DaemonFC	If they compromise your VPN, if you're using TLS, a lot of your traffic is logged by the VPN as encrypted form, so that part still may not be useful.
[00:20]	DaemonFC	The more ways they would have to get at some of your data another way, the better.
[00:20]	DaemonFC	Encryption is computationally cheap on modern systems.
[00:20]	schestowitz[TR]	sometimes too cheap
[00:20]	schestowitz[TR]	ask gulag
[00:21]	DaemonFC	Of course that's there to help facilitate DRM, like what mjg59_ is cheerleading.
[00:21]	schestowitz[TR]	they put nsa-backdoored cipher in linux
[00:21]	techuser	hi geert
[00:21]	DaemonFC	But you don't HAVE to use it that way.
[00:21]	DaemonFC	I use software without the DRM modules.
[00:21]	DaemonFC	I don't want it, and security is another concern. It's basically not much better than having Adobe Flash facing Web content.
[00:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	<schestowitz[TR]> the concern about ircv3 seems to be theoretical mostly at this point <- of course it is
[00:22]	schestowitz[TR]	iirc, librewolf does not wipe off emdrm
[00:22]	DaemonFC	If there's a vulnerability in Widevine, then most people are guaranteed to be vulnerable to it.
[00:22]	schestowitz[TR]	Firefox just called it "DRM" years ago
[00:22]	schestowitz[TR]	it is still called that in ESR
[00:22]	DaemonFC	SeaMonkey does not support EME or Widevine.
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[00:22]	geert	:)
[00:22]	DaemonFC	Neither does GNOME Web.
[00:22]	schestowitz[TR]	Debian: we ship  DRM
[00:22]	schestowitz[TR]	soon binary blobs too
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[00:22]	schestowitz[TR]	firmware
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[00:22]	DaemonFC	So if you need a GAFAM-like rendering engine to fall back to, to pay your light bill, there's WebkitGTK sitting there anyway.
[00:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	devuan already adds binary blobs to debian
[00:23]	DaemonFC	Even if you ONLY use it for things like that.
[00:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	out with one blob, in with others
[00:23]	techuser	big shit fails
[00:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	little shit can fail too
[00:23]	techuser	or more like, you are either unpopular, or are shit
[00:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	i prefer little shit
[00:23]	schestowitz[TR]	today there was discussion about the rootkits for gamers
[00:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	i use little shit btw
[00:23]	geert	what would you expect without monetary/economical serious addressing?
[00:23]	geert	you think fsf can prevail?
[00:23]	DaemonFC	WebkitGTK will be more interesting when they get around to adding WebExtensions and eventually WebRequest to it.
[00:23]	geert	or gno or something likewise, except for some exceptionally rare individual so to speak?
[00:24]	DaemonFC	If NoScript could be used in it, I'd be using it more.
[00:24]	schestowitz[TR]	AdmFubar> https://www.theverge.com/2022/9/13/23351900/ea-kernel-level-anti-cheat-system-fifa-23
[00:24]	TR Bot	 EA announces kernel-level anti-cheat system for PC games - The Verge
[00:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	little shit can fail-- big shit WILL fail
[00:24]	DaemonFC	mjg59_'s blog demands JavaScript.
[00:24]	schestowitz[TR]	<techrights-news> Rootkits :/ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/ea-anticheat-could-spell-trouble-for-steam-deck-linux/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[00:24]	TR Bot	AntiCheat could spell trouble for Steam Deck / Linux | GamingOnLinux
[00:24]	DaemonFC	I'm not turning it on just to see that.
[00:24]	schestowitz[TR]	DaemonFC: use RSS/Atom
[00:24]	geert	great reset wasnt about tackling monetary/economical shit, too, they even try to preserve the shit and try blame what they call 'dumb ignorant humans' saying that if they 'de-populate', shit would become 'maintainable' basically trying to protect errors that should be done with, so to speak
[00:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	little shit is easier to fix
[00:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	but if no one fixes it. its fucked
[00:25]	DaemonFC	I have some dozens of domains that I actually use all the time which would be painful to temporarily whitelist on permanent whitelist.
[00:25]	DaemonFC	But most Web domains are not permitted Active Content.
[00:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	the fsf is both little shit and big shit
[00:25]	geert	errr s/gno/gnu/;
[00:25]	DaemonFC	There's no reason to give it to them if everything I want to use works and just looks a little bit funny.
[00:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	the little shit isnt fixed, the big shit is fucked
[00:26]	geert	look lots of altruistic, anarchy stuff is very much overrated, this stuff cant cope monetary/economical effects not just not in long term, not even short term.
[00:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=32iCWzpDpKs
[00:26]	TR Bot	 Team America: World Police (10/10) Movie CLIP - Dicks, Pussies and Assholes (2004) HD - Invidious
[00:26]	TR News	Rust sycophants: RUST IS ABOUT SECURITY; Rust: errrrr, hold on, guys... https://blog.rust-lang.org/2022/09/14/cargo-cves.html
[00:26]	TR Bot	 Security advisories for Cargo (CVE-2022-36113, CVE-2022-36114) | Rust Blog
[00:26]	geert	like 1+1=2, so to speak
[00:26]	MinceR	"ignurant"?
[00:26]	geert	MinceR aww did i get to misspell something again?
[00:27]	geert	well somebody with that brain i guess should utilize some bot/tool then.
[00:27]	MinceR	you said "ignorant", then "errr s/gno/gnu/;"
[00:27]	geert	01:23 < geert> or gno or something likewise, except for some exceptionally rare individual so to speak?
[00:27]	TR News	Gearrice is a SPAM site that seems to contain "HEY HI"-generated garbage. Why does Gulag Noise (Google News) syndicate this trash? The sentences are not even coherent. Does a HUMAN check/audit the list?? https://www.gearrice.com/update/rust-is-one-of-the-favorite-languages-for-developers-but-it-needs-more-security-linux-foundation-will-take-care-of-it/
[00:27]	TR Bot	is one of the favorite languages for developers, but it needs more security. Linux Foundation will take care of it - Gearrice
[00:28]	TR News	"OTOY and UX3D are proud to unveil a new partnership integrating the UX3D glTF Scene Toolkit into the OTOY marketplace, bringing 100% native glTF support to the OTOY ecosystem." https://home.otoy.com/otoy-ux3d-gltf/
[00:28]	TR Bot	 OTOY OTOY and UX3D strengthen the position of glTF
[00:29]	TR News	Arduino IDE 2.0 is now officially released - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/14/arduino-ide-2-0-released/ Source: CNX Software | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/14/arduino-ide-2-0-released/
[00:29]	TR Bot	 Arduino IDE 2.0 is now officially released - CNX Software
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[00:30]	MinceR	https://apina.biz/185885.png?mode=sfw
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[00:30]	TR News	Terrible! 30W for THIS. https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/14/mini-itx-motherboard-combines-amd-ryzen-embedded-r2314-soc-with-two-inferx-x1-ai-accelerators/
[00:30]	TR Bot	 Mini-ITX motherboard combines AMD Ryzen Embedded R2314 SoC with two InferX X1 AI accelerators - CNX Software
[00:34]	TR News	 (UPDATED): Crystal Linux: Emerging Arch Linux Spin for GNOME Fans (UPDATEDx2) http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Crystal_Linux_Emerging_Arch_Linux_Spin_for_GNOME_Fans.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Crystal_Linux_Emerging_Arch_Linux_Spin_for_GNOME_Fans.gmi 
[00:34]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Crystal Linux: Emerging Arch Linux Spin for GNOME Fans (UPDATEDx2)
[00:35]	MinceR	gnome fans need to respin gnome os to cater to gnome?
[00:35]	MinceR	sounds like the gnome os people are pretty shitty at their jobs
[00:35]	DaemonFC	These overalls came out looking very good.
[00:35]	highest_cubist_thrills	their only job is destroying free software
[00:35]	highest_cubist_thrills	theyre doing just fine
[00:35]	DaemonFC	I dyed them three times. That was pretty time consuming.
[00:36]	MinceR	so what's "crystal linux" for then?
[00:36]	TR News	Energy prices going up is good for GNU/Linux. Not really good for anything else, but recycling, efficient systems etc. benefit GNU/Linux and lower new "sales" (or licensing) of Windows. That can help reduce pollution, too.
[00:36]	schestowitz[TR]	MinceR: an itch
[00:36]	schestowitz[TR]	arch based
[00:36]	starstreak	i use arch btw
[00:36]	MinceR	arch did well enough at destroying free software already
[00:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	theres no accounting for taste 
[00:36]	schestowitz	I'd like to see Gnome applications written in .NET in version 4.0 - no, version 3.0. But Gnome 4.0 should be based on .NET."
[00:36]	schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/02/01/gnome_to_be_based/
[00:36]	TR Bot	 Gnome to be based on .NET de Icaza The Register
[00:37]	MinceR	and i thought they thought diversity was bad?
[00:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	arch did well enough at destroying free software already <- i dont follow, i thought they only destroyed arch
[00:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	(really)
[00:37]	schestowitz[TR]	ARJ Linux
[00:37]	schestowitz[TR]	uses arj for image (.img)compression
[00:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	"But Gnome 4.0 should be based on .NET." <- how old is that quote
[00:38]	schestowitz[TR]	"k/2002/02/01"
[00:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	oh good
[00:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	i mean i can nuke the last bits of gtk if i have to
[00:38]	schestowitz[TR]	redmond burning a bit
[00:39]	schestowitz[TR]	de icaza "left"
[00:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont run a lot of gtk now and i would run none if i pulled .net in
[00:39]	schestowitz[TR]	we are pursing material through a legal process
[00:39]	schestowitz[TR]	might explain what goes on behind the scenes in shithub
[00:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	redmond burning a bit <- along with 90% of free software, get your fiddle ready
[00:39]	schestowitz[TR]	the site where mjg59_ , hamasman, bully de blanc and other deplorable try to casncel github critics
[00:40]	schestowitz[TR]	*pursuing
[00:40]	schestowitz[TR]	highest_cubist_thrills: gitlab has conversion tools
[00:40]	schestowitz[TR]	now that it's the right exit strategy
[00:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	not
[00:40]	schestowitz[TR]	but projkects can migrate away from shithub
[00:40]	schestowitz[TR]	there are some tools
[00:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	gitblob
[00:41]	schestowitz[TR]	gitCommunity Edition
[00:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	i mean better gitblob than github
[00:41]	schestowitz[TR]	hosted, by default, by a third party
[00:41]	schestowitz[TR]	gitlab.com
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[00:41]	schestowitz[TR]	making no profits
[00:41]	schestowitz[TR]	but planning to cash in
[00:41]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe will sell out to oracle or something
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[00:41]	schestowitz[TR]	after bailout biden gives the funds
[00:41]	schestowitz[TR]	not likely
[00:41]	schestowitz[TR]	after bailout biden found out Larrison is a vocal Trump supporter
[00:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me thinks biden is secretly in love with trump but no one will ever realise it
[00:42]	schestowitz[TR]	naaa
[00:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	it doesnt matter, theyre both fake as hell
[00:42]	schestowitz[TR]	both wearing makeup
[00:44]	TR News	FOSSlife Team = megaphone of 'Linux' Foundation (yes, staff overlaps exist!) https://www.fosslife.org/openssf-releases-new-guides-developing-secure-open-source-software
[00:44]	TR Bot	 OpenSSF Releases New Guides for Developing Secure Open Source Software
[00:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	trump couldnt have gotten in without hillary and biden couldnt have gotten in without trump
[00:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	so theyre all worthless
[00:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	youd be better off picking someone random off the street
[00:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	which is nearly how the royal family works, except they cant do shit anyway
[00:45]	TR News	They make it sound like security is only a problem when it comes to Free software; meanwhile, proprietary software puts back doors in the binaries (for states) https://www.csoonline.com/article/3673089/8-notable-open-source-security-initiatives-of-2022.html Source: CSO | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.csoonline.com/article/3673089/8-notable-open-source-security-initiatives-of-2022.
[00:45]	TR Bot	 8 notable open-source security initiatives of 2022 | CSO Online
[00:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	granted random is the wrong word
[00:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	but in terms of qualifications, id say "born to _____"
[00:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	is pretty random
[00:46]	MinceR	born to be wild?
[00:46]	TR News	Microsoft GitHub CSO = NSA veteran. Mozilla CSO = CIA. http://techrights.org/2022/09/10/mozilla-three-letter-agencies/
[00:46]	TR Bot	 Mozilla Hired Top-Level Managers Directly From the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), Can They Be Trusted on Privacy? | Techrights
[00:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	fire all of your guns at once and explode into space
[00:48]	TR News	Trust Mozilla like you trust cops
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[00:49]	TR News	ICBM on GNU https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/linkers-warnings-about-executable-stacks-and-segments
[00:49]	TR Bot	 The linkers warnings about executable stacks and segments
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[00:50]	TR News	ICBM. SPONSORED BY MICROSOFT! https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/ansiblefest-2022-speakers-and-sponsors See https://events.experiences.redhat.com/widget/redhat/rhaf22/sponsorlisting?intcmp=7013a00000387q7AAA.com
[00:50]	TR Bot	 AnsibleFest 2022: Keynotes, speakers and sponsors
[00:50]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[00:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me is curious what arch did to any project other than arch
[00:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	this isnt sarcasm, i havent used arch in like a decade or more
[00:51]	MinceR	they promoted cancerd
[00:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	well yeah
[00:51]	schestowitz[TR]	hell yeah
[00:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	but how this makes arch special, or really affetcts anything else..
[00:51]	MinceR	it's short bus special
[00:51]	schestowitz[TR]	MinceR: it got cancered
[00:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	cancerd culture?
[00:52]	geert	delving into pessism instead of tryna ++
[00:52]	MinceR	https://hugelolcdn.com/i/570057.jpg
[00:52]	geert	like old inflexible outdate hacksters
[00:52]	geert	outdated*
[00:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	cancel stallman: sign our petty-tion
[00:52]	schestowitz[TR]	systemd-githubpettionD
[00:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	cancel your distro: mandate this init
[00:52]	MinceR	apparently "flexibility" is "copy windows and worship it as the new best thing ever"
[00:53]	MinceR	whoda thunk
[00:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	flexibility is when you go try to fucking boot and you end up fucked by a boot
[00:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	now thats flexibility!
[00:53]	geert	yea theres lots of undesirable developments but its not without any cause at all so plz try turn experience in such way around cause that possibility isnt killed over experienced difficulties
[00:53]	geert	c'mon sometimes the complaining is like kindergarten
[00:53]	geert	i know theres lot undesirable shit going on currently yes
[00:54]	TR News	Silicon Labs FG25 Arm Cortex-M33 SoC targets Wi-SUN FAN networks - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/14/silicon-labs-fg25-arm-cortex-m33-soc-wi-sun-fan-networks/ Source: CNX Software | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/14/silicon-labs-fg25-arm-cortex-m33-soc-wi-sun-fan-networks/
[00:54]	TR Bot	 Silicon Labs FG25 Arm Cortex-M33 SoC targets Wi-SUN FAN networks - CNX Software
[00:54]	geert	also in regard to gnu, theres some gnu around that really get like altruistic battle strive in peculiar interesting and potentially very constructive manner
[00:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	but i still think an init (and for that matter, booting) was optional in arch
[00:54]	MinceR	ok, who brought a megahal bot in here
[00:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats just herr doktor
[00:54]	geert	oof, you tool seem to malfunction
[00:55]	geert	like: bug
[00:55]	geert	something old inflexible i guess
[00:55]	TR News	Sean Michael Kerner uses the surveillance industry's euphemism, "BIG DAYTUH!" https://venturebeat.com/ai/what-are-data-scientists-biggest-concerns-the-2022-state-of-data-science-report-has-the-answers/
[00:55]	TR Bot	are data scientists' biggest concerns? The 2022 State of Data Science report has the answers | VentureBeat
[00:55]	psydruid	general cancerd of the arch republic of gates and windows
[00:55]	geert	;p
[00:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	special military init
[00:55]	geert	oof the mil isnt so healthy currently plz dont try add more upon that
[00:55]	TR News	Sean Michael Kerner used "HEY HI" FOUR times in the tags of this post https://venturebeat.com/ai/zendesk-integrates-ai-with-intelligent-triage-to-speed-up-cx-responses/
[00:55]	TR Bot	integrates AI with intelligent triage to speed up CX responses | VentureBeat
[00:55]	geert	if it explode with those buttons and means we all kinda fucked so to speak
[00:56]	geert	the mil got compromised, by goons, so much that generals dont really got strings
[00:56]	TR News	"HEY HI" (AI) [n.]: something computer.
[00:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	systemd attacksurfaced
[00:56]	geert	anyways, things things, please ring some sysbell here if need be
[00:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	 <schestowitz[TR]> systemd-githubpettionD <- this is good
[00:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	they REALLY hate it when you capitalise a letter as if they do that (which they dont)
[00:57]	MinceR	:>
[00:57]	TR News	"Previously we started the redesign of the request workflow as part of the beta program. We received a lot of feedback from you and still have a lot on our TODO list. This time we focused our attention on the support of multi-action submit requests and on creating more clarity" https://openbuildservice.org/2022/09/14/request-workflow-redesign-round-two//
[00:57]	TR Bot	 Request Page Redesign - Round Two - Open Build Service
[00:57]	schestowitz[TR]	rejection of systemd is a hate crime
[00:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	plaintiff is linux foundationD
[00:58]	schestowitz[TR]	frauds
[00:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	plaintiff is deprecated, please use tiff v3
[00:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	(github)
[00:59]	schestowitz[TR]	btw
[00:59]	schestowitz[TR]	not p-c, but
[00:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 27.71 k/sec., IPFS upstream 150.33 average k/sec., average swarm size 143.60
[00:59]	schestowitz[TR]	ok for IRC
[00:59]	schestowitz[TR]	LF paid like ha f a million a year to its CFO
[00:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me gets out the irc lube
[00:59]	schestowitz[TR]	when he died
[00:59]	schestowitz[TR]	they raised money for his kids' college
[00:59]	schestowitz[TR]	the kids are very young
[00:59]	schestowitz[TR]	and he was a millionaire already
[00:59]	schestowitz[TR]	guess where they raised money..
[00:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	AFD!
[00:59]	schestowitz[TR]	.MICROSOFT GITHUB
[00:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	ha
[00:59]	schestowitz[TR]	microsoft as a bank
● Sep 15
[01:00]	schestowitz[TR]	that shows how LF thinks
[01:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	i have to strain to see how even that is a scandal, but im probably jaded
[01:00]	schestowitz[TR]	to them, milliionaire are poor
[01:00]	schestowitz[TR]	"he only has one milliion"
[01:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	if marcia wilbur draws me a picture that usually makes it very clear
[01:00]	schestowitz[TR]	"poor guy"
[01:00]	schestowitz[TR]	zemlin is already past the 10
[01:00]	psydruid	Debian-suicideD is enDorsed by the linux founDation
[01:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	debian = spi = sfc
[01:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	= lf = microsoft = bill epstein
[01:01]	schestowitz[TR]	oftc
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[01:01]	schestowitz[TR]	bill zemlin
[01:01]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2022/08/23/jim-admires-bill/
[01:01]	TR Bot	 Sheela Microsoft (Zemlin) Does Not Like Linux and Jim Zemlin Idolises Bill Gates | Techrights
[01:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	admires = adores = LURVES
[01:01]	psydruid	is VMware going to drop from the LF member list soon?
[01:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	"LOVE ME!!!!!"
[01:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	"YOURE SUPPOSED TO LOVE ME!!!!!"
[01:02]	psydruid	when it gets dismembered
[01:02]	schestowitz[TR]	will thewy realse the offending code?
[01:02]	schestowitz[TR]	can zemlin read it?
[01:02]	schestowitz[TR]	is the code in japenese?
[01:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	he can if its in a pdf made with a mac
[01:02]	schestowitz[TR]	*japanese
[01:03]	schestowitz[TR]	<highest_cubist_thrills> admires = adores = LURVES
[01:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	"im doing linux!"
[01:03]	schestowitz[TR]	<techrights-news> Jim Zemlin: my daughter is "adorable". I also revere Jeffrey Epstein's enabler, Bill Gates.
[01:03]	schestowitz[TR]	his kid would be at the right age now
[01:03]	psydruid	zemlin does linux
[01:03]	schestowitz[TR]	just the right age for epstein and billG
[01:03]	psydruid	Sheela does fraud
[01:03]	schestowitz[TR]	before they lost interest
[01:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	at least we got to the politically incorrect part
[01:04]	schestowitz[TR]	debbie does dallas
[01:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	icaza?
[01:04]	schestowitz[TR]	icaza does miguel
[01:04]	schestowitz[TR]	san miguel
[01:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	she just did the fsf
[01:04]	schestowitz[TR]	brb
[01:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=QszYETF7pSI
[01:05]	TR Bot	 Do the Dew Commercial circa 2000 - Invidious
[01:06]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], mjg59_'s blog says it needs JavaScript for "security". Clownflare.
[01:06]	DaemonFC	JavaScript is like 90% of all attack surface on a Web browser.
[01:06]	DaemonFC	Including like 99% of the really bad vulnerabilities.
[01:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=7v2GDbEmjGE
[01:07]	TR Bot	 The Police - De Do Do Do, De Da Da Da - Invidious
[01:07]	psydruid	he endorses the new microsoft surface attack with an enlarged attack surface
[01:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	enlarged attack surface <- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/prolapse
[01:09]	schestowitz[TR]	JavaScript used to be leveraged for good
[01:09]	schestowitz[TR]	like 20 years ago
[01:09]	schestowitz[TR]	like menus and stuff before css evolved
[01:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	idk
[01:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	it was always a bad idea
[01:10]	schestowitz[TR]	so dropdown menus could not be done in all browsers with css
[01:10]	schestowitz[TR]	now JavaScript has no net benefit
[01:10]	schestowitz[TR]	only risks
[01:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	they should make a browser that does gemtext over http and doesnt give a shit about html at all
[01:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	or css or js
[01:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	just to stick their finger up at the w3c
[01:12]	schestowitz[TR]	that exists
[01:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont think it does
[01:12]	schestowitz[TR]	indirectly
[01:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	yeah, like it doesnt exist
[01:12]	schestowitz[TR]	proxies
[01:13]	schestowitz[TR]	and newswaffle
[01:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	those use html
[01:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	i mean a browser that really only parses gemtext
[01:13]	schestowitz[TR]	you can use kristall
[01:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	nope
[01:13]	schestowitz[TR]	it does http and https
[01:13]	schestowitz[TR]	also gopher
[01:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	no kde 
[01:14]	schestowitz[TR]	only qt
[01:14]	psydruid	as in serving gemtext over http and rendering it as a web page all the same
[01:14]	psydruid	that would be quite a coup
[01:14]	starstreak	i use lagrange btw
[01:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	i think its too unorthodox or id do it myself
[01:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont want to be that guy
[01:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	<starstreak> i use lagrange btw <- lol
[01:15]	TR News	"Digital transformation" = ICBM vocabulary for MORE VENDOR LOCK-IN (through complexity people cannot support, hence outsourcing) https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/8/digital-transformation-minimize-friction
[01:15]	TR Bot	 Digital transformation: 3 tips to minimize friction | The Enterprisers Project
[01:15]	TR News	What I Learned About E-Bikes From Working Delivery in NYC https://tedium.co/2022/09/14/e-bike-delivery-trend-nyc Source: Tedium | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//tedium.co/2022/09/14/e-bike-delivery-trend-nyc
[01:15]	TR Bot	 What I Learned About E-Bikes From Working Delivery in NYC
[01:16]	schestowitz[TR]	<schestowitz[TR]> only qt
[01:16]	schestowitz[TR]	there is also a flatpak
[01:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	it burns
[01:16]	schestowitz[TR]	I am guessing those might contain qt already
[01:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	it burns
[01:17]	schestowitz[TR]	or appimage
[01:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	hehe
[01:17]	schestowitz[TR]	the latter I think
[01:17]	starstreak	i tried kristall and didn't like the look of it
[01:17]	schestowitz[TR]	flatpak is worse bbbloat than appimage
[01:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	yes flatpak must die
[01:17]	schestowitz[TR]	i need to restart barrier
[01:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	preferably in terrible pain
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[01:19]	schestowitz[TR]	they can put it ina  cofffin
[01:19]	schestowitz[TR]	flat-packed
[01:19]	schestowitz[TR]	and the same for putin
[01:19]	schestowitz[TR]	in a poo-tin
[01:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[01:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=9l9gs_HFo_E
[01:20]	TR Bot	 Puttin' on the Ritz - Irving Berlin 8bit Jazz Version - Invidious
[01:20]	DaemonFC	2002: "Box of 'food' says 'cheeze'". Me: "Huh, this must be some fake crap they sell to poor people because cheese is too expensive. Also, they should get a job." 2022: "Box of 'food' says 'cheeze'" Me: "Huh, Bill Gates must be invested in this and trying to sell lab garbage to vegans at twice the cost of cheese. And the people who still have a job are being paid badly during hyperinflation because of Biden."
[01:21]	TR News	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D354.jpg
[01:21]	TR News	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D702.jpg
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[01:23]	schestowitz[TR]	bill loves choose
[01:23]	schestowitz[TR]	*cheese
[01:24]	schestowitz[TR]	bill and melinda have cheese too
[01:24]	schestowitz[TR]	and they teach them about sex at age 5
[01:24]	schestowitz[TR]	perfectly normal!
[01:24]	schestowitz[TR]	ask Duck Allen Jones
[01:25]	schestowitz[TR]	*Dick
[01:25]	schestowitz[TR]	is he safe around the home?
[01:25]	schestowitz[TR]	give him some digital cheese so he can get 'disarmed'
[01:25]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], Child porn has to be reported to the police immediately if you try to print it, but Rick Jones printed children in swimming clothes to get around that.
[01:25]	DaemonFC	It basically let him continue to ogle them far longer than he could have otherwise.
[01:25]	DaemonFC	Nobody even notices if you quickly take a picture.
[01:26]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2020/06/20/young-boys-and-the-express-stop-envelope/
[01:26]	TR Bot	 Bill and Melinda Gates Employee Took Photos of Young Boys at the Beach | Techrights
[01:26]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2020/08/21/zoophilia-gates-estate/
[01:26]	TR Bot	 Melinda and Zoophilia Found in Tandem in the Illegal Pornographic Stash of Bill Gates Engineer | Techrights
[01:26]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2021/05/04/weird-melinda-gates-tweet/
[01:26]	TR Bot	 The Timing of This Melinda Gates Tweet Was Always Curious | Techrights
[01:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=mXnJqYwebF8
[01:26]	TR Bot	 Doja Cat - "Mooo!" (Official Video) - Invidious
[01:27]	TR News	All Acrylic Pi Cases On The Gweike Cloud - Can It Compete With The Glowforge? - The DIY Life https://www.the-diy-life.com/all-acrylic-pi-cases-on-the-gweike-cloud-can-it-compete-with-the-glowforge/ Source: The DIY Life | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.the-diy-life.com/all-acrylic-pi-cases-on-the-gweike-cloud-can-it-compete-with-the-glowforge/
[01:27]	TR Bot	 All Acrylic Pi Cases On The Gweike Cloud - Can It Compete With The Glowforge? - The DIY Life
[01:28]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], Well, we all know what to say when someone stares.
[01:28]	schestowitz[TR]	cancel him
[01:28]	schestowitz[TR]	he stared 
[01:28]	DaemonFC	Sarcastically. "Take a picture, it'll last longer."
[01:28]	DaemonFC	That's what perverts can do now because everyone has a phone.
[01:28]	DaemonFC	It looks like they're fiddling around on their phone.
[01:28]	schestowitz[TR]	they can mentally strip then later
[01:29]	schestowitz[TR]	I read there are now "apps" for that
[01:29]	schestowitz[TR]	one was on shithub
[01:29]	schestowitz[TR]	microsoft removed it
[01:29]	schestowitz[TR]	because... it CAN be used... for something
[01:29]	DaemonFC	Deep fake porn generators?
[01:29]	DaemonFC	Yeah.
[01:29]	schestowitz[TR]	Free software
[01:29]	schestowitz[TR]	canceored by Microsoft
[01:29]	schestowitz[TR]	mayebe curlm is next
[01:29]	schestowitz[TR]	curl can be used to download illegal material youm know
[01:29]	schestowitz[TR]	wget also
[01:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	curl <- github
[01:30]	DaemonFC	So can Edge, but it reports you to the State's Attorney at the same time. B-)
[01:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	wget <- github
[01:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	but less than curl
[01:30]	DaemonFC	Then Detective Ian comes to see you.
[01:31]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], I can't believe Rick Jones not only talked to the police, but admitted it like, openly.
[01:31]	TR News	Proprietary snake-oil? https://containerjournal.com/features/sysdig-simplifies-container-security-remediation/
[01:31]	TR Bot	 Sysdig Simplifies Container Security Remediation - Container Journal
[01:32]	DaemonFC	it doesn't matter why they're investigating you, if you did it, or what they have.
[01:32]	DaemonFC	The correct response is "I'm not taking any questions. You can speak to my attorney at a later date. Am I free to go now?"
[01:32]	TR News	Self-promotional spam disguised as reporting https://containerjournal.com/features/containing-container-security-threats/
[01:32]	TR Bot	 Containing Container Security Threats - Container Journal
[01:33]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: My blog is no longer behind Cloudflare, thankfully
[01:33]	geert	well thatsnot always the correct response, if they on the other side dont keep the rules in rather terrorist manner, sometimes correct responses are wholly different
[01:33]	geert	that you might not get to realize about it, dont change a silly bit of the fact
[01:33]	geert	so plz try be more wary providing advise
[01:33]	TR News	LOL, Qubes uses Microsoft/NSA shithub to boast about security. That's like going to a brothel to brag about virginity. https://www.qubes-os.org/news/2022/09/14/canary-032/
[01:33]	TR Bot	 Qubes Canary 032 | Qubes OS
[01:34]	TR News	The best known person in Qubes, whom many people trusted, left Qubes years ago. Now it's just a brand. They still use "Snowden" like a mascot or outdated "endorsement".
[01:36]	TR News	WWW 1990s: a place where journalism... WWW 2000s: comes... WWW 2010-present: ...to DIE.
[01:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	starstreak: what happened to phanes anyway, did he get banned, bored or just busy
[01:37]	starstreak	highest_cubist_thrills, he kinda just disappeared
[01:37]	starstreak	changed names a few times and then hasn't come back
[01:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	that doesnt make any sense
[01:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	hes not shy
[01:38]	starstreak	it didnt make sense when you disappeared
[01:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me shrugs
[01:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	oh that made plenty of sense
[01:38]	starstreak	to you lol
[01:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	you just didnt know the reason
[01:38]	starstreak	we don't know his reason
[01:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	and i havent explained it
[01:38]	TR News	"The pandemic also taught me that meeting people in person regularly is important as well." No, IME, it's just risky, wasteful, and not beneficial. I work from home 100% of the time. Wife does too. Worst scenario: having to meet colleagues or clients. https://peter.czanik.hu/posts/working-hybrid/
[01:38]	TR Bot	 Working Hybrid | Random thoughts of Peter 'CzP' Czanik
[01:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	yes thats very true
[01:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	but i have a theory that hes just random
[01:39]	TR News	"Many people including me are (a lot) more efficient when working from home. That is where work can be done. In the office it is a lot less efficient." https://peter.czanik.hu/posts/working-hybrid/
[01:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	its called double standard theory
[01:39]	starstreak	phanes is a freemason and he didn't seem to like me much
[01:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	and its better than single standard theory because 2 > 1
[01:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	plus, its standard...
[01:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	how could anyone not like you?
[01:40]	starstreak	the reptilian stuff he had problems with
[01:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	oh that
[01:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	i believe he found that hilarious
[01:40]	TR News	EasyOS has "FOLDERS"?? "EasyOS has 'dir2sfs', that will convert a folder to a SFS file." https://bkhome.org/news/202209/easy-creation-of-sfs-from-deb-packages-with-deb2sfs.html
[01:40]	TR Bot	 Easy creation of SFS from DEB packages with deb2sfs
[01:40]	starstreak	probably lol
[01:41]	starstreak	but hes a freemason, he has to be religious so its a case of the kettle calling the pot black
[01:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	maybe idk
[01:41]	starstreak	they don't let in atheists 
[01:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	nope
[01:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	im agnostic so i dont think even i qualify
[01:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	though im pretty sympathetic to theism
[01:42]	DaemonFC	<mjg59_> DaemonFC: My blog is no longer behind Cloudflare, thankfully
[01:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	but thats not how it works-- you have to believe in a higher power
[01:42]	DaemonFC	So what is it that demands JavaShit now?
[01:42]	starstreak	i believe in the simulation, thats the higher power
[01:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	that might count
[01:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	but then again
[01:42]	starstreak	God was just some programmer
[01:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	being anti-freemason PROBABLY disqualifies you from becoming one
[01:43]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], I'd probably be arrested in the UK for saying something not nice.
[01:43]	starstreak	im not anti freemason
[01:43]	geert	i think many of you waste discussion by pushing statements while actually wanting to ask questions
[01:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	no?
[01:43]	DaemonFC	Fascists can be very polite, you know.
[01:43]	geert	but i guess elitist think asking questions more directly feel like vulnerability
[01:43]	DaemonFC	Politeness doesn't mean you're a good person.
[01:43]	geert	because to contrary of statements, question suggest you DONT know something
[01:43]	geert	kekeke
[01:43]	geert	boy oh boy this inflexible old hackertwats
[01:43]	starstreak	i've actually been invited to join the freemasons and i might have if i didnt have to drive there
[01:43]	geert	please dont mix it with phishing kk
[01:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	heh
[01:44]	DaemonFC	I saw them arresting some woman in London for saying something about immigrants going back to their own country.
[01:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	i didnt have to drive, i used to live around the corner from a fucking giant lodge
[01:44]	DaemonFC	Here you don't get arrested for that. Just tell the lady to go fuck herself and put your headphones in.
[01:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	huge fucking stone thing
[01:44]	starstreak	when i worked at canada computers, i had a really good customer who was also a freemason
[01:44]	TR News	OMG! omgubuntu turned the site black for the racist (anti-black) monarchy https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/
[01:44]	TR Bot	 OMG! Ubuntu! - Ubuntu Linux News, Apps and Reviews
[01:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	it looks like something from the first ghostbusters movie
[01:44]	DaemonFC	I like not having to be polite.
[01:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	you worked at canada computers?
[01:45]	DaemonFC	Hate speech laws are fucking bullshit.
[01:45]	starstreak	highest_cubist_thrills, yeah how do you know about them?
[01:45]	DaemonFC	They don't change what people think. They just create political prisoners.
[01:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont, im just going by the name
[01:45]	starstreak	highest_cubist_thrills, oh lol
[01:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	did they sell, repair, what?
[01:45]	starstreak	highest_cubist_thrills, they sell computers, computer parts and i was a technician that repaired computers
[01:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats fucking awesome
[01:46]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], Cooking oil went way up again.
[01:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	i honestly thought you were in a professional capacity only about legal stuff
[01:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	i didnt know you had a computer job
[01:46]	starstreak	legal stuff is new
[01:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	yeah
[01:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	very cool
[01:46]	starstreak	i worked in IT for 15 years
[01:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	fucking awesome
[01:46]	starstreak	my favourite job was help desk
[01:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	"im not a window cleaner!"
[01:47]	TR News	Murdoch tabloid running anti-Linux ads/spam https://nypost.com/2022/09/14/why-its-worth-investing-in-linuxs-successor/
[01:47]	TR Bot	 Why its worth investing in Linuxs successor
[01:47]	starstreak	what kind of lawyer runs arch linux lol
[01:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	the crazy kind
[01:48]	starstreak	i am crazy
[01:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	mmhmm :)
[01:48]	starstreak	honestly tho i'd be running my macbook if the screen still worked
[01:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	i had a few macs
[01:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	i didnt buy them
[01:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	i played with them a little bit then got rid of them
[01:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	i had one mac os tiger...
[01:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	with
[01:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	with python 2. um... negative 3 i think
[01:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	a version of python 2 so old they havent made it yet
[01:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	history goes in circles and they have to wait for it to come back around
[01:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	it didnt even have quit()
[01:51]	TR News	It's malware, not a "backdoor"; unlike Windows, here one needs to actually install it. https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/14/SparklingGoblin_APT_Hackers_Using_New_Linux_Variant_of_SideWalk.shtml
[01:51]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines SparklingGoblin APT Hackers Using New Linux Variant of SideWalk Backdoor
[01:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	you had to import exit and rename it?
[01:52]	starstreak	i got my macbook in early 2014 and ran it till 2020 when the internal screen stopped working. i've been running a dell latitude E6540 since
[01:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	literally your grandmothers python
[01:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	it doesnt have an external port, or you dont have a dvi adapter?
[01:53]	starstreak	it has external hdmi
[01:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	ok
[01:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	you should put arch on it :)
[01:53]	starstreak	using the mac doesn't fit my workflow
[01:53]	starstreak	lol!
[01:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	actually no, that has systemd
[01:54]	starstreak	the whole point of using it is to get macOS
[01:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	um
[01:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	mac os is overrated 
[01:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	you should put freebsd on it
[01:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	yes
[01:54]	starstreak	im not gonna replace macOS with anything
[01:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	perhaps not
[01:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	but you should regardless
[01:55]	starstreak	if i would put freebsd on anything it would be this dell
[01:55]	TR News	"For many years it has been standard practice to test that you get the memory you ask for, but it has all be a huge waste of time. Operating systems get in on the act before you have a chance to do anything about it." https://www.i-programmer.info/news/184-cc/15722-linux-and-android-waste-coding-effort.html
[01:55]	TR Bot	 Linux And Android Waste Coding Effort
[01:55]	starstreak	i would have to say goodbye to steam proton on freebsd
[01:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	if you put it on the dell it might end up on the mac as well
[01:55]	starstreak	but i dont really play games on my laptop anyway
[01:56]	starstreak	i play games on my xbox so steam proton really isnt a big deal breaker
[01:56]	TR News	SJVN: "Linux software and Mac hardware are a match made in heaven." Hahahaha. https://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-talks-rust-on-linux-his-work-schedule-and-life-with-his-m2-macbook-air/
[01:56]	TR Bot	Torvalds talks Rust on Linux, his work schedule, and life with his M2 MacBook Air | ZDNET
[01:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	you should put freebsd on the mac
[01:56]	starstreak	lol
[01:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	then move mac os to the xbox
[01:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	mac os on an xbox would be pretty hilarious
[01:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	DONG!
[01:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	^ mac noise
[01:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	halo would look basically the same, but now the armour would be shinier and come in nicer colours
[01:58]	starstreak	haha
[01:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	also when you clicked on the puma the dvd would come out
[01:58]	starstreak	i'd consider doing hackintosh on my dell
[01:58]	TR News	$60 DIY Raspberry Pi NAS Kit Offers SATA, Impressive Cooling | Tom's Hardware https://www.tomshardware.com/news/raspberry-pi-nas-case-makes-pi-a-desktop Source: Tom's Hardware | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.tomshardware.com/news/raspberry-pi-nas-case-makes-pi-a-desktop
[01:58]	TR Bot	 $60 DIY Raspberry Pi NAS Kit Offers SATA, Impressive Cooling | Tom's Hardware
[01:59]	TR News	Raspberry Pi Pico Runs on Steam-Powered Engine | Tom's Hardware https://www.tomshardware.com/news/raspberry-pi-pico-runs-on-steam-engine Source: Tom's Hardware | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.tomshardware.com/news/raspberry-pi-pico-runs-on-steam-engine
[01:59]	TR Bot	 Raspberry Pi Pico Runs on Steam-Powered Engine | Tom's Hardware
[01:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 44.45 k/sec., IPFS upstream 147.58 average k/sec., average swarm size 146.31
[01:59]	TR News	How To Use Picamera2 to Take Photos With Raspberry Pi | Tom's Hardware https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/use-picamera2-take-photos-with-raspberry-pi Source: Tom's Hardware | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.tomshardware.com/how-to/use-picamera2-take-photos-with-raspberry-pi
[01:59]	TR Bot	 How To Use Picamera2 to Take Photos With Raspberry Pi | Tom's Hardware
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[02:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me tries to put openbsd on your xbox
[02:00]	starstreak	leave my xbox alone
[02:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	its a bluff, ive never installed anything that requires a fucking jumper wire
[02:00]	starstreak	how am i supposed to play GTA Online if you replace the OS
[02:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	with an xbox emulator
[02:01]	starstreak	>:/
[02:01]	starstreak	i don't think that works
[02:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	im sure it doesnt, and if it does it really shouldnt
[02:02]	TR News	Microsoft software on GNU/Linux: malware https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/microsoft-teams-stores-auth-tokens-as-cleartext-in-windows-linux-macs/
[02:02]	TR Bot	 Microsoft Teams stores auth tokens as cleartext in Windows, Linux, Macs
[02:02]	starstreak	i got the xbox so that i can play games without having a windows pc
[02:03]	starstreak	i really hate windows
[02:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	isnt the xbox technically a windows pc? sort of
[02:03]	XRevan86	highest_cubist_thrills: It is.
[02:03]	TR News	AT&T never bothered explaining how such malware makes it into "Linux" in the first place; but they blame "Linux" regardless https://www.esecurityplanet.com/threats/new-linux-malware-takes-full-control-of-devices/
[02:03]	TR Bot	Linux Malware Shikitega Can Take Full Control of Devices | eSecurityPlanet
[02:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	so its not just me then
[02:03]	starstreak	yeah technically it is
[02:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	so you got...
[02:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	 :)
[02:03]	XRevan86	Microsoft even did some sort on introducing Xbox stuff into baseline Windows.
[02:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	what does the dell run? arch right
[02:04]	starstreak	yeah arch on the dell
[02:04]	XRevan86	So starstreak is welcome to replace the Xbox with a Windows 11 PC :).
[02:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	okay
[02:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me doesnt believe windows 11 exist
[02:04]	TR News	SPAM + googlebomging "Linux" = https://www.techradar.com/news/leading-vpn-is-now-supporting-linux techradar = shitposting http://techrights.org/2020/10/22/techradar-misinformation/
[02:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	its just a story parents tell to scare their kids
[02:04]	TR Bot	users can now secure their data with this leading VPN | TechRadar
[02:04]	TR Bot	 TechRadar is an Irresponsible Clickbait and Misinformation Site Disguised as News | Techrights
[02:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	"stoo fighting with your sister or ill install windows 11"
[02:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	"no!"
[02:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	ive never seen windows 11 so theres that
[02:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	windows 10 ive seen
[02:05]	XRevan86	highest_cubist_thrills: Windows 11 is Windows 10 with UI that they ripped off GNU/Linux DEs.
[02:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	heh heh
[02:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	ill have to check it out on youtube 
[02:06]	XRevan86	More GNOME-y, more Budgie-y, more Chromium OS-y.
[02:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	id go to wikipedia but apparently its all ads now (still not sure what he was on about)
[02:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	 More GNOME-y, more Budgie-y, more Chromium OS-y. <- i mean if they didnt make it worse it woudlnt be a new version of windows
[02:06]	XRevan86	That's the plus side of Windows 11.
[02:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	naturally
[02:07]	TR News	WWW is doomed because of webspam such as this. You search for info and get unsuitably marked spam, pretending to be "news" "report" or "journalism" https://www.techradar.com/news/leading-vpn-is-now-supporting-linux
[02:07]	TR News	TechRadar even uses the taxonomy "news" for advertising spam
[02:07]	XRevan86	The minus side is mandatory TPM/SecureBoot (can be worked around), mandatory Microsoft account and Internet connection for installation (can be worked around).
[02:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	be sure to thank mjg for that
[02:07]	XRevan86	And somewhat higher resource usage and fluffier effects by default.
[02:08]	TR News	To the shitty shallow media, any computer program is "HEY HI", anything that happens on top of 'Linux' is... "LINUX" (esp. if it's something malicious). No qualifications required, just do and write what Microsoft ("THE SPONSOR") says.
[02:09]	XRevan86	There's also that TPM replacement called Microsoft Pluton. Noteworthy.
[02:09]	schestowitz[TR]	blocking Linux == "security"
[02:09]	schestowitz[TR]	thanks, Microsoft
[02:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	microsoft <3 blocking linux
[02:10]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2022/07/28/antitrust-dual-booting/
[02:10]	TR Bot	 Antitrust Action Against Microsoft is Well Overdue | Techrights
[02:10]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2022/09/14/microsoft-love/
[02:10]	TR Bot	 [Meme] Microsoft Love | Techrights
[02:10]	XRevan86	Linux should be where Microsoft allows it to be.
[02:10]	schestowitz[TR]	microsoft <3 linux traitors
[02:10]	XRevan86	Servers, virtualised environments.
[02:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	microsoft <3 attack surface
[02:10]	schestowitz[TR]	XRevan86: WSL
[02:10]	schestowitz[TR]	Novell
[02:11]	schestowitz[TR]	with Microsoft tax
[02:11]	schestowitz[TR]	WINE will be the target for FUD and maybe lawsuits
[02:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	if you support tpm you increase the attack surface for microsofts love
[02:11]	schestowitz[TR]	if it's not too late
[02:11]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2022/08/01/headhunting-matthew-garrett/
[02:11]	TR Bot	 Microsoft is Trying to Hire (Read: Pay Salaries to) Matthew Garrett | Techrights
[02:11]	schestowitz[TR]	or salaries, highest_cubist_thrills 
[02:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	microsoft <3 bribing people
[02:12]	schestowitz[TR]	bill <3 jeff
[02:12]	schestowitz[TR]	jim <3 bill
[02:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	jim <3 <3 <3 bill
[02:12]	schestowitz[TR]	sheela <3 microsoft
[02:12]	schestowitz[TR]	spamnil <3 brown-nosing
[02:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	2 <3
[02:14]	TR News	FLOSS Weekly is compromised. After bringing in Bill Gates minions and Microsoft minions for openwashing they now bring Miguel de Icaza https://twit.tv/shows/floss-weekly/episodes/698 http://techrights.org/wiki/Miguel_de_Icaza#2022
[02:14]	TR Bot	 Miguel de Icaza
[02:14]	TR Bot	 Miguel de Icaza - Techrights
[02:15]	TR News	FLOSS Weekly calls a man who attacked Linux on behalf of Microsoft a "Linux legend".
[02:17]	schestowitz[TR]	highest_cubist_thrills: 2 is old enough for sex education, saya NPR/BillPR
[02:17]	schestowitz[TR]	it's never too early, says melinda
[02:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	oh dear
[02:18]	XRevan86	highest_cubist_thrills: Also they crippled customisability the panel in Windows 11 compared to Windows 10, but hilariously enough, because they never removed the old code, the old panel can be enabled back too.
[02:18]	TR News	Laura Tucker shilling surveillance devices for corporate bribes again. Fake 'article' https://www.maketecheasier.com/deal/save-100-on-a-eufy-robovac-l35-hybrid-robotic-vacuum/
[02:18]	TR Bot	 Save $100 on a eufy RoboVac L35 Hybrid+ Robotic Vacuum - Make Tech Easier
[02:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	yeah thats how they do most ui "upgrades"
[02:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	fiddle with it on the surface and truly cripple it later
[02:19]	TR News	Microsoft invented ALL CAPS https://www.maketecheasier.com/fix-err_connection_timed_out-error-windows/
[02:19]	TR Bot	 Fix ERR_CONNECTION_TIMED_OUT Error When Browsing in Windows - Make Tech Easier
[02:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	until then you can just go add some gobbledygook to the registry
[02:19]	XRevan86	It appears that Windows 12 is going to be the actual offensive "upgrade" where the new requirements are going to be doubled down on.
[02:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[02:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me runs program manager
[02:20]	AdmFubar	https://epic.org/abc-news-twitter-whistleblower-alleges-user-data-vulnerable-to-foreign-adversaries/
[02:20]	TR Bot	 ABC News: Twitter whistleblower alleges user data vulnerable to foreign adversaries EPIC Electronic Privacy Information Center
[02:20]	TR News	LibrePlanet 2023: Let's chart the course together! Submit your session by November 2 https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/libreplanet-2023-lets-chart-the-course-together-submit-your-session-by-november-2 will RMS be allowed to SPEAK DURING the event?
[02:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	whats this? mirc?
[02:20]	TR Bot	 LibrePlanet 2023: Let's chart the course together! Submit your session by November 2 Free Software Foundation Working together for free software
[02:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	whats "write"
[02:21]	starstreak	the early version of wordpad
[02:21]	TR News	LibrePlanet 2022 CFS office hours (2022-09-22) https://www.fsf.org/events/libreplanet-2022-cfs-office-hours-2022-09-22
[02:21]	TR Bot	 LibrePlanet 2022 CFS office hours (2022-09-22) Free Software Foundation Working together for free software
[02:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://microsoft.fandom.com/wiki/Cardfile
[02:21]	TR Bot	 Cardfile | Microsoft Wiki | Fandom
[02:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	i know, i think it used rtf
[02:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	"look you put a wav file in a text file!"
[02:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me was still using win 3.1 in 2001
[02:23]	schestowitz[TR]	it might be a cult...
[02:23]	schestowitz[TR]	when a corporation claims to have "fans"
[02:23]	schestowitz[TR]	who are not staff or shareholders
[02:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	i mean
[02:23]	XRevan86	highest_cubist_thrills: "look you put a wav file in a text file!" <- Sounds like a feature that can be disabled for a fee in Telegram Premium.
[02:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	its wikia, so 
[02:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	basically, cult inception
[02:23]	XRevan86	Write Premium?
[02:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	do you see the wav file? neither do i, but it is there
[02:24]	XRevan86	For an extra fee it is not there.
[02:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	parumpu~1.rtf
[02:24]	TR News	Planet Fedora is NOT 100% dead... yet. They still get... some content. https://fedorafans.com/%D9%84%DB%8C%D9%86%D9%88%DA%A9%D8%B3-%D9%81%D8%AF%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%A7-%DB%B3%DB%B7-%D8%A8%D8%AA%D8%A7-%D9%85%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B4%D8%B1-%D8%B4%D8%AF/
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[02:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	parump~1.rtf
[02:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me watches vinnie pooh again
[02:25]	TR News	But otherwise, ICBM has already wiped out what was known as Fedora COMMUNITY. In fact, ICBM lawyers decided to LAWYER UP against some of the volunteers!! As if what ICBM did to CentOS wasn't already bad enough... ICBM should be nuked into a dustbin of history.
[02:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	bnhhn nyx
[02:26]	XRevan86	highest_cubist_thrills: Cryptic.
[02:26]	XRevan86	* buhhu nyx
[02:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me turns head sideways
[02:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	okay
[02:27]	TR News	UN roundup and delegate guide: digital rights at the United Nations - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-united-nations/ Source: AccessNow | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-united-nations/
[02:27]	TR Bot	 UN roundup and delegate guide: digital rights at the United Nations - Access Now
[02:28]	DaemonFC	I'm not going to wear "pants" anymore. Don't worry. I'm not going to Doctor Pizza and say how much I like walking around naked. I'm switching to overalls.
[02:28]	DaemonFC	I hate belts. I realized how much I hate belts.
[02:28]	DaemonFC	They're either suffocating you or your pants are falling down.
[02:29]	DaemonFC	So I'm just going to wear overalls from now on.
[02:29]	XRevan86	highest_cubist_thrills: I see your power of "volapuk" is strong :)
[02:29]	DaemonFC	The doctor commented the other day that they looked good on me.
[02:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	it could be if i knew what it was
[02:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	on the one hand, vinnie pooh looks very little like winnie the pooh
[02:29]	XRevan86	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Informal_romanizations_of_Cyrillic#Volapuk_encoding
[02:29]	TR Bot	 Informal romanizations of Cyrillic - Wikipedia
[02:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	on the other hand, vinnie pooh looks a lot more like a bear.
[02:30]	XRevan86	BuHHu nYX
[02:30]	DaemonFC	500-600 Russian bastards dying every day in the "special military operation".
[02:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	i think it comes down to the fact that i know a y looks like a y.. even when i know it isnt and cant be a y because its a different alphabet
[02:31]	DaemonFC	The United States, I think, wasn't losing much more than that during the peak of having two wars going on at the same time, in an entire month.
[02:31]	DaemonFC	Our technology is better than the Russian stuff, and it works.
[02:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	unless it actually is a y, but i wouldnt know
[02:32]	DaemonFC	The Russians have very little that actually is high tech and works, and their military is unprofessional and REALLY doesn't want to be there.
[02:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	so its more a matter of involapuk
[02:32]	DaemonFC	Even tells the Ukrainians they're there because the other choice was going to jail in Russia.
[02:32]	XRevan86	highest_cubist_thrills: I mean, it's a cognate of sorts.
[02:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	or involuntary volapuk
[02:32]	DaemonFC	The soldiers know they're not there to "de-Nazify" anything.
[02:33]	DaemonFC	They run at the first opportunity and they even leave their weapons and ammunition behind because they're mainly concerned with not being there when the Ukrainian soldiers get into town.
[02:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	voluntary volapuk didnt come until gorbechev :)
[02:33]	DaemonFC	So the Russian soldiers leave the tanks, rifles, bullets, shells....
[02:33]	DaemonFC	They're off stealing civilian clothing and a car.
[02:34]	XRevan86	highest_cubist_thrills: In Ancient Greek the letter represents [u]
[02:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	this is the first ive heard of the letter Yu
[02:34]	DaemonFC	Putin has refused to abide by the usual laws of war.
[02:35]	XRevan86	highest_cubist_thrills: But the Cyrillic letter is actually way younger than that and is actually a simplification of , which comes from a Greek digraph.
[02:35]	DaemonFC	The Geneva Conventions protocols state that if you're serving in uniform in a nation's military, you have rights as a PoW.
[02:35]	XRevan86	But it's effectively the same thing.
[02:35]	highest_cubist_thrills	 <- this looks like another botched swastika <><>
[02:35]	DaemonFC	Putin said any foreign fighters they come across risk being executed right there.
[02:35]	highest_cubist_thrills	"sheisse i can never get these right!"
[02:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	 a simplification of <- ...
[02:36]	XRevan86	highest_cubist_thrills: Anyway, Latin Yy is "I graeca", so ye can guess its origins :).
[02:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	()yoy
[02:37]	XRevan86	Also the French digraph "ou" was modelled after Greek "" and travelled into English as well.
[02:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	the more i learn about alphabets
[02:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	the more i know i dont know anything about alphabets
[02:37]	DaemonFC	You know, I don't think Matt ever told me why only certain workers should be able to take time off to attend a routine doctor's appointment.
[02:37]	DaemonFC	Not a medical emergency, but a routine appointment.
[02:37]	DaemonFC	mjg59_, So how about it?
[02:38]	DaemonFC	What's to stop this from being abused?
[02:38]	DaemonFC	You can get a doctor's slip from an app now.
[02:38]	XRevan86	DaemonFC: Putin has a very special understanding of who counts as a mercenary.
[02:38]	DaemonFC	Being paid doesn't necessarily make you a mercenary.
[02:38]	DaemonFC	Soldiers get paid.
[02:39]	DaemonFC	If you have a uniform, a rank, and are serving in their military at the usual pay for your rank, then that's not a mercenary.
[02:39]	DaemonFC	Zelensky said that there's now a special path to Ukrainian citizenship for serving in their military.
[02:39]	XRevan86	highest_cubist_thrills: Anyway, that's how Latin Yy and Cyrillic are virtually the same but have different sounds. The Cyrillic sound is more original but that's more or less a historical coincidence.
[02:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	this is exactly the sort of thing that im not surprised you know
[02:40]	DaemonFC	So Putin is claiming that a soldier who is a lawful immigrant in Ukraine on their way to becoming a Ukrainian citizen (which happens quickly this way), and is in uniform, and has a rank in the Ukrainian military, and is only being paid what a Ukrainian solder is being paid, is a mercenary?
[02:40]	DaemonFC	That's a special definition alright.
[02:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	but that im still surprised is even a thing
[02:40]	DaemonFC	There are Green Card holders serving in the US Military.
[02:41]	DaemonFC	They're not Americans, but they are US soldiers.
[02:41]	DaemonFC	Not mercenaries.
[02:41]	XRevan86	highest_cubist_thrills: Also Latin Uu doesn't come from Greek "" but rather from Latin Vv as an artificial distinction.
[02:41]	DaemonFC	Nobody would say they're mercenaries.
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[02:41]	TR Bot	 IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, September 14, 2022
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[02:41]	TR Bot	 Links 15/09/2022: Koozali SME Server 10.1, Krita 5.1.1, and EndeavourOS Artemis Nova | Techrights
[02:42]	XRevan86	highest_cubist_thrills: If ye think it's weird that Classical Latin doesn't tell V and U apart, look at contemporary Ukrainian :).
[02:42]	TR News	 (NEW): Security Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Security_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Security_Leftovers.gmi 
[02:42]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Security Leftovers
[02:42]	XRevan86	So it all ties together on Ukraine.
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[02:42]	TR Bot	 IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, September 14, 2022
[02:43]	DaemonFC	Mercenaries are like Wagner and Blackwater/Xe/Academi (they keep changing their name).
[02:43]	DaemonFC	They're who you hire when you can't get enough people to join your military.
[02:43]	TR News	 (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Programming_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Programming_Leftovers.gmi 
[02:43]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
[02:43]	XRevan86	Russian: there's a "v" preposition and a "u" preposition.
[02:43]	XRevan86	Ukrainian: it's the same preposition.
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[02:43]	TR Bot	 IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, September 14, 2022
[02:43]	DaemonFC	They don't give a shit about your cause. They fight because they get paid more than if they were soldiers.
[02:44]	XRevan86	PMCs are quite a weird thing, they're still not legal in Russia, but they operate in the open.
[02:44]	TR News	Yesterday's #techbytes IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-140922.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-140922.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techbytes-140922.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techbytes-140922.txt
[02:44]	TR Bot	 IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, September 14, 2022
[02:45]	XRevan86	And there are more and more PMCs every day, I lost count.
[02:45]	TR News	 (NEW): Arduino IDE 2.0 and Linux-Compatible Devices http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Arduino_IDE_2_0_and_Linux_Compatible_Devices.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Arduino_IDE_2_0_and_Linux_Compatible_Devices.gmi 
[02:45]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Arduino IDE 2.0 and Linux-Compatible Devices
[02:45]	TR News	 (NEW): LibrePlanet 2023 Coming http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/LibrePlanet_2023_Coming.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/LibrePlanet_2023_Coming.gmi 
[02:45]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines LibrePlanet 2023 Coming
[02:46]	AdmFubar	https://techcrunch.com/2022/09/14/google-cancels-half-the-projects-at-its-internal-rd-group-area-120/
[02:46]	TR Bot	cancels half the projects at its internal R&D group Area 120 TechCrunch
[02:46]	schestowitz[TR]	again?
[02:46]	schestowitz[TR]	anyway, good riddance
[02:46]	schestowitz[TR]	the bailout biden and trumpet trrrump cannot bail out the corporationis forever
[02:46]	XRevan86	(technically even in Ukrainian these are two separate prepositions but they're complete homonyms because the noun gets a different declension depending on which preposition it is)
[02:46]	schestowitz[TR]	too much debt
[02:47]	schestowitz[TR]	"defence" contracts
[02:47]	schestowitz[TR]	1.1  trillion per year around 7 years ago
[02:47]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe 1.5 trillion/annum by now
[02:47]	schestowitz[TR]	including the "hidden" budget
[02:47]	TR News	Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-09-14.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-09-14.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now)
[02:48]	schestowitz[TR]	gulag: sorry, no money
[02:48]	XRevan86	highest_cubist_thrills: Want a freaky thing? Latin letter "H" and Cyrillic letter "" are related.
[02:48]	schestowitz[TR]	we already paid 40,00,000 to Andy Rubin
[02:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	that doesnt surprise me
[02:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	they look very similar
[02:48]	schestowitz[TR]	to keep him quiet about sexual abuse
[02:48]	schestowitz[TR]	getting blow jobs from women he bossed
[02:48]	schestowitz[TR]	gulag: we aree WOKE, too!
[02:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	google: doob be ebol-- sorry
[02:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	dont be evil
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[02:49]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Raspberry Pi News and Projects
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[02:49]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
[02:50]	XRevan86	highest_cubist_thrills: Don't tell activelow, he has an alternative understanding of alphabet history.
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[02:51]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Red Hat Leftovers
[02:51]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], I read an article that says we gave the Ukrainians almost all of our artillery shells and have to scramble to find someone who can make more.
[02:52]	DaemonFC	The DoD wants to increase production by 12,000 shells per month.
[02:52]	DaemonFC	The article says we've given Ukraine over a million shells and they're firing about 6,000 of them per day at the Russians.
[02:52]	schestowitz[TR]	DaemonFC: SALES
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[02:52]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Games: Simple Games, Steam, and Retro
[02:53]	DaemonFC	So like 5-6 months worth of shell so far.
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[02:53]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Linux Graphics and More
[02:53]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz[TR]> DaemonFC: SALES
[02:53]	DaemonFC	Our shells work.
[02:53]	starstreak	chicken sandwich
[02:53]	schestowitz[TR]	well, I am not optimistic
[02:53]	geert	huh wut shells
[02:54]	schestowitz[TR]	russia has nukes
[02:54]	DaemonFC	The Russian ones, half either don't fire, they're duds, or they go off after they've hit the ground.
[02:54]	geert	like secure ones?
[02:54]	schestowitz[TR]	it can always fall back on the nukes
[02:54]	geert	if you dont mind telling me about it, that is..
[02:54]	schestowitz[TR]	so this dumb war should have ended with some peace treaty
[02:54]	geert	DaemonFC ^^
[02:54]	schestowitz[TR]	not all this "own the libs" attitude
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[02:55]	DaemonFC	The goal was to get Russia bogged down in a terrible quagmire where damned near all of them that Putin sends get killed.
[02:55]	schestowitz[TR]	russia could nuke ukraine to hell in one afternoon
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[02:55]	DaemonFC	And that's basically what's happened.
[02:55]	schestowitz[TR]	it would not make russia popular
[02:55]	schestowitz[TR]	not even among russia
[02:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	 <starstreak> chicken sandwich <- why did i think youre vegetarian?
[02:55]	schestowitz[TR]	but it would finish off ukraine for a century
[02:55]	starstreak	highest_cubist_thrills, because im a lesbian
[02:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats not why
[02:56]	starstreak	lol 
[02:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	but i thought you might be lesbian
[02:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	or ace
[02:56]	starstreak	90% lesbian
[02:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	90% lesbian!
[02:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats the best kind
[02:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	(10% ace lol)
[02:56]	TR News	Imagine Letting a Power Company Control Your Thermostat - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=cmuKlMnvvBI | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/cmuKlMnvvBI
[02:56]	TR Bot	 Imagine Letting a Power Company Control Your Thermostat - Invidious
[02:56]	starstreak	yeah i find most men gross but some are alright
[02:56]	XRevan86	"500-600 Russian bastards dying every day in the "special military operation"" <- I think that's exaggerated even when counting all the pro-Russian forces at this stage of the war.
[02:56]	starstreak	Roy is a beef cake
[02:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	so basically youre sturgeons lesbian
[02:57]	XRevan86	But the count's going to be very uneven depending on what's happening at any given day.
[02:57]	starstreak	sturgeons lesbian?
[02:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	roy isnt my type
[02:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	sturgeons law: 90% of everything (male) is crap
[02:57]	starstreak	oh lol
[02:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	he didnt say male, i was clarifying
[02:57]	starstreak	i have a bit of a crush on Justin Beiber
[02:57]	TR News	Fedora 37 Beta Run Through - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=08nYEc0eEfI | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/08nYEc0eEfI
[02:57]	TR Bot	 Fedora 37 Beta Run Through - Invidious
[02:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	he has that effect on women
[02:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	its weird but funny
[02:58]	starstreak	lol
[02:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	even i liked sorry (not sorry)
[02:58]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], Just like this railroad strike should be over before it starts.
[02:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	im about 90% lesbian too
[02:58]	TR News	Let's Talk About Linux And Stuff - DT LIVE! - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=VWgtnMkP0B0 | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/VWgtnMkP0B0
[02:58]	TR Bot	 Let's Talk About Linux And Stuff - DT LIVE! - Invidious
[02:58]	DaemonFC	But Biden's a pushover for unions.
[02:58]	DaemonFC	So guess what will happen on Friday.
[02:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	maybe 98
[02:58]	starstreak	highest_cubist_thrills, women are just so hawt
[02:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	its true theyre awesome
[02:59]	TR News	Linux AppImages Have Annoying Usability Issues - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=gvzj9ll3MbM | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/gvzj9ll3MbM
[02:59]	TR Bot	 Linux AppImages Have Annoying Usability Issues - Invidious
[02:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 16.20 k/sec., IPFS upstream 151.38 average k/sec., average swarm size 159.06
[02:59]	TR News	"Recent news of Patreon firing their security team is making the rounds online, and in this episode, Jay and Joao will talk about this very strange story and some takeaways from it." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=t7LUa-q101s
[02:59]	TR Bot	( status 500 @ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=t7LUa-q101s )
● Sep 15
[03:00]	starstreak	highest_cubist_thrills, https://youtu.be/JL8niW49pfY
[03:00]	TR Bot	https://invidious.weblibre.org/watch?v=JL8niW49pfY
[03:00]	TR Bot	invidious.weblibre.org | Every Girl - Lil Wayne - Invidious
[03:00]	DaemonFC	"Metra also started to preventatively cancel trains in the Chicago area, regardless of how the contract standoff goes, starting at 8 p.m. on Thursday. These are lines that carry 80,000 Chicagoland commuters on a typical weekday."
[03:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	i feel like that should have a video
[03:01]	DaemonFC	We'll see how many Democrats like this after they lose their job and can't get food because of some assholes in the rail union demanding an easy-to-game attendance policy.
[03:01]	starstreak	highest_cubist_thrills, it should
[03:02]	starstreak	highest_cubist_thrills, want to see hot babes use power tools in bikinis? https://youtu.be/a0fkNdPiIL4
[03:02]	TR Bot	https://invidious.namazso.eu/watch?v=a0fkNdPiIL4
[03:02]	TR Bot	invidious.namazso.eu | Benny Benassi - Satisfaction - Invidious
[03:02]	DaemonFC	"People don't realize until we have a situation like this, what a patchwork system Metra is. It's not a system where we wholly own and operate 11 lines," Gillis said.
[03:02]	TR News	 (NEW): Videos: AppImages, Fedora 37 Beta, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Videos_AppImages_Fedora_37_Beta_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Videos_AppImages_Fedora_37_Beta_and_More.gmi 
[03:02]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Videos: AppImages, Fedora 37 Beta, and More
[03:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont even have to click it
[03:02]	DaemonFC	That's because Metra fought to keep this that way.
[03:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	i had an ex that was triggered by that because she thinks that chainsaws are sentient and out to get her
[03:03]	DaemonFC	Had Metra taken back the lines then none of them would be shutting down now/
[03:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	we didnt even have one
[03:03]	starstreak	highest_cubist_thrills, lmao
[03:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	her father did a lot of woodworking but they got along fine, so... i dont get it
[03:03]	XRevan86	DaemonFC: I think we'll some interesting new estimates after the South offensive goes into a tactical pause.
[03:03]	XRevan86	* we'll see
[03:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	fair point, xrevan
[03:04]	starstreak	okay so apparently firefox becomes really fucking buggy when I generate art 
[03:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	im still waiting for a video where girls in bikinis work on computers
[03:05]	starstreak	highest_cubist_thrills, ill generate that as art after
[03:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	excellent
[03:05]	starstreak	right now im generating "nuclear vladimir putin"
[03:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	youll be my third favourite person in the world then
[03:05]	starstreak	:)
[03:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	the other two are twins
[03:06]	starstreak	who are they
[03:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	if you met them theyd be your favourite too
[03:06]	starstreak	are they hot babes?
[03:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	yes
[03:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	and they like girls
[03:06]	starstreak	:O
[03:06]	geert	russia has been lured into this war, by corruption disguised as e.g. nato/eu/so many eye  jurisdiction and even some others
[03:07]	geert	i dont say i like putin or talk pro russia now
[03:07]	geert	supposed globalist wanted different things than 'human rights', still want, such as simply a sort of vierten reich which they already tryna build for over two decades
[03:07]	geert	over three even.
[03:07]	geert	decades*
[03:07]	geert	and its worse than during wwII although it doesnt seem so much on the appearances
[03:07]	geert	coz hitler talk shit about worldwide, but not getting clsoe
[03:08]	geert	close*
[03:08]	geert	current goons are really figuring nobody can stop them hitler shit worldwide
[03:08]	geert	seriously, they dont fight putin coz they think he can stop them
[03:08]	geert	its part of their plan
[03:08]	geert	btw putin just a frontrunner, so many ppl talk shita bout em, buthe just some frontrunner from some ru powerhouse
[03:08]	geert	if he don do some things, or go over some borders, bye bye putin
[03:09]	geert	insight of cnn
[03:09]	geert	and he know it
[03:09]	geert	DaemonFC so something different than secure shells
[03:09]	geert	pity, i get some use to seriously secure shells, some very serious use momentarily
[03:09]	geert	but i guess theres not so much hacker mentality around anymore
[03:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=wnCTyJNIkOM
[03:10]	geert	some wining about dissapointing difficulties currently or something
[03:10]	TR Bot	 All the Hints Britney Gave Us About #FreeBritney for the Past 12 Years - Invidious
[03:10]	AdmFubar	https://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/09/say-hello-to-crazy-thin-deep-insert-atm-skimmers/
[03:10]	TR Bot	 Say Hello to Crazy Thin Deep Insert ATM Skimmers Krebs on Security
[03:11]	TR News	iTWire - EU gives Google little relief in verdict on record fine appeal https://itwire.com/technology-regulation/eu-gives-google-little-relief-in-verdict-on-record-fine-appeal.html Source: IT Wire | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//itwire.com/technology-regulation/eu-gives-google-little-relief-in-verdict-on-record-fine-appeal.html
[03:11]	TR Bot	- EU gives Google little relief in verdict on record fine appeal
[03:11]	geert	oh btw and even if the goons thought they could just win from ru over the back of ua, against serious ua interest, shit not gona happen as they think
[03:12]	geert	and almost all supposed 'intel' about it, just some spinning wheel b/s, in reality very different things happening than just ru losing
[03:12]	geert	but hey, like with goebbels, i guess people pick convenient and wishful crap above facts rather
[03:12]	geert	its not like such ppl gona win, whatever fancy/senationalist it sound/appear
[03:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	i didnt know her father was like that too, i thought it was just her mother
[03:14]	geert	dont think so much as if you knew
[03:14]	geert	if you knew, you didnt assume as if thinking just like that
[03:14]	geert	:P
[03:14]	geert	anyways, things things, very serious things, prolly bbiab
[03:15]	TR News	The UV Budgie shows IoT alerts in a fun way | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/09/14/the-uv-budgie-shows-iot-alerts-in-a-fun-way/ Source: Arduino | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/09/14/the-uv-budgie-shows-iot-alerts-in-a-fun-way/
[03:15]	TR Bot	 The UV Budgie shows IoT alerts in a fun way | Arduino Blog
[03:16]	TR News	 (NEW): Debian set to start vote on including non-free packages in install media http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Debian_set_to_start_vote_on_including_non_free_packages_in_inst.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Debian_set_to_start_vote_on_including_non_free_packages_in_inst.gmi 
[03:16]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Debian set to start vote on including non-free packages in install media
[03:17]	TR News	Arm Fills In Some Gaps And Details In Server Chip Roadmaps https://www.nextplatform.com/2022/09/14/arm-fills-in-some-gaps-and-details-in-server-chip-roadmaps/ Source: The Next Platform | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.nextplatform.com/2022/09/14/arm-fills-in-some-gaps-and-details-in-server-chip-roadmaps/
[03:17]	TR Bot	 Arm Fills In Some Gaps And Details In Server Chip Roadmaps
[03:18]	TR News	Istio / Support for Istio 1.13 ends on October 12th, 2022 https://istio.io/latest/news/support/announcing-1.13-eol/ Source: | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//istio.io/latest/news/support/announcing-1.13-eol/
[03:18]	TR Bot	 Istio / Support for Istio 1.13 ends on October 12th, 2022
[03:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[03:20]	TR News	Spy meters tell the energy supplier what goes on inside the house (what uses how much power, never mind what people do inside the home); even if they don't add microphones and cams later (or latch onto some via 'smart' phones/'apps'), sooner or later they'll remotely control electric appliances. It is already happen. They use financial penalty/ies to herd people into this scam.
[03:21]	TR News	If you're allowing companies to sneak spy meters into your home, then you might be part of the problem. Perpetuating things we should all collectively reject. It's an extension of class warfare (along the digital realm).
[03:22]	TR News	Using Pushdown Automata to verify Packet Sequences - vanitasvitaes blog https://blog.jabberhead.tk/2022/09/14/using-pushdown-automata-to-verify-packet-sequences/ Source: Paul Schaub
[03:22]	TR Bot	 Using Pushdown Automata to verify Packet Sequences vanitasvitae's blog
[03:24]	TR News	"At this weeks International Conference on Functional Programming I showed my rec-def Haskell library to a few people. As this crowd appreciates writing compilers, and example from the realm of program analysis is quite compelling." https://www.joachim-breitner.de/blog/794-rec-def__Program_analysis_case_study
[03:24]	TR Bot	 rec-def: Program analysis case study Blog Joachim Breitner's Homepage
[03:25]	IPFS	 Gemini requests since start of month:  110952 total Total number of pages in capsule: 42592      Active: active (running) since Thu 2022-08-04 09:15:14 BST; 1 months 11 days ago
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[03:37]	XRevan86	geert: "russia has been lured into this war, by corruption disguised as e.g. nato/eu/so many eye  jurisdiction and even some others" <- https://themoscowtimes.com/2022/09/14/a78787
[03:37]	TR Bot	 Putin Rejected Early Ukraine Peace Deal to Pursue 'Expanded' Annexation Goals Reuters - The Moscow Times
[03:37]	XRevan86	I've posted that earlier (on Reuters) but sure, let me do it again.
[03:38]	XRevan86	The rest I didn't understand so can't comment on.
[03:39]	XRevan86	Not even proper grammar, that certainly doesn't help comprehension.
[03:41]	schestowitz[TR]	stubborn poo-tin
[03:41]	schestowitz[TR]	could make a point, kill people for 6 days, then settle
[03:41]	schestowitz[TR]	went on for 6 months
[03:41]	schestowitz[TR]	lost a lot of his army assets
[03:41]	schestowitz[TR]	now election
[03:42]	schestowitz[TR]	lots of rigging will be needed by him this time
[03:42]	schestowitz[TR]	or media takeover
[03:42]	schestowitz[TR]	because "foreign agents"
[03:44]	TR News	SHILLING WINDOWS crap under the guise of 'Linux' in exchange for 'gifts': "The review model included a soldered-on 256 GB eMMC drive complete with Windows 11 Pro [...] Id like to thank MeLE for providing the Quieter HD3Q for review. It retails at around $420" https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/15/mele-quieter-hd3q-review-fanless-mini-pc-dual-channel-memory-2-5-inch-sata-bay/
[03:44]	TR Bot	 MeLE Quieter HD3Q Review - A fanless mini PC with dual-channel memory, 2.5-inch SATA bay - CNX Software
[03:45]	TR News	No connection whatsoever to Linux, just openwashing (Microsoft) as a service https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/964683
[03:45]	TR Bot	 CGIAR and the Linux Foundation partner to unl | EurekAlert!
[03:47]	DaemonFC	mjg59_, So can we agree that Jeremy Soule is a vicious sex criminal?
[03:47]	DaemonFC	One that preys on immigrants to try to conceal his crimes by threatening to have them deported?
[03:48]	DaemonFC	Can we agree that this is worse than a somewhat tasteless one liner sex joke?
[03:49]	TR News	aurora-cert.pub... works on "security" and does not know Git supports SSH certificates???? https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/60916.html
[03:49]	TR Bot	 mjg59 | git signatures with SSH certificates
[03:50]	TR News	Atom is deprecated (dead end) and controlled by Microsoft; it's bloated garbage, nobody should use this https://www.linuxcapable.com/how-to-install-atom-text-editor-on-linux-mint-21-lts/
[03:50]	TR Bot	to Install Atom Text Editor on Linux Mint 21 LTS - LinuxCapable
[03:51]	DaemonFC	mjg59_, Can we agree that when Jeremy Soule sent another woman he worked with a video of himself masturbating, he should have been fired and arrested for that as well?
[03:52]	TR News	Not ethical: companies sending "GIFTS" for fake reviews of the "GIFTS" https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/15/mele-quieter-hd3q-review-fanless-mini-pc-dual-channel-memory-2-5-inch-sata-bay/ in this case, "Linux" site shilling WINDOWS crap... for the "GIFTS"
[03:52]	schestowitz[TR]	"well, he''s dead"
[03:53]	schestowitz[TR]	"we came, we saw, he died"
[03:53]	TR News	tecadmin shilling too much apple crap lately. hopefully that trend will be undone soon. https://tecadmin.net/how-to-install-maven-on-macos/
[03:53]	TR Bot	 How to Install Maven on macOS (2 Methods) TecAdmin
[03:54]	TR News	5 Kali Linux books you should read this year - Help Net Security https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/09/13/5-kali-linux-books/ Source: Help Net Security | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/09/13/5-kali-linux-books/
[03:54]	TR Bot	 5 Kali Linux books you should read this year - Help Net Security
[03:57]	DaemonFC	https://online.ucpress.edu/jsmg/article/3/1/50/119523/A-Silent-Game-of-WordsNotes-on-Jeremy-Soule-s
[03:57]	TR Bot	 A (Silent) Game of Words | Journal of Sound and Music in Games | University of California Press
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● Sep 15
[04:00]	DaemonFC	https://wccftech.com/renown-the-elder-scrolls-and-guild-wars-composer-jeremy-soule-accused-of-rape/
[04:00]	TR Bot	 [UPDATE - Soule Responds] Renown The Elder Scrolls and Guild Wars Composer Jeremy Soule Accused of Rape
[04:00]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/today_s_howtos.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/today_s_howtos.1.gmi 
[04:00]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
[04:03]	TR News	Tech product reviews are tricky "Business"; what's in it for the company? What's in it for the reviewer? Back when actual media companies existed they'd buy products and review them. Grassroots reviews can work too. But when companies send gifts, or even products on "loan", it corrupts the whole thing. "Loan" = slave as 'reviewer' (waste of time); "Gift" = bribe, hence fake review. The only solution: fund REAL media, real journalism.
[04:06]	DaemonFC	https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-hosting-talks-with-union-railroads-avert-shutdown-2022-09-14/
[04:06]	TR Bot	unions, rail executives struggle for deal as shutdown looms | Reuters
[04:06]	DaemonFC	"The parties ordered in Italian food for dinner Wednesday in order to continue discussions."
[04:06]	DaemonFC	Yeah, mob union.
[04:06]	TR News	Real reviews in 2022: I bought this product because I WANTED this product and PAID for it. Here are my thoughts on it, having used it for a while. The main issue is the bias associated with selecting this one product in the first place, based on grand loyalty, marketing, word of mouth etc.
[04:06]	TR News	#Techrights Bulletin for Wednesday, September 14, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
[04:06]	TR Bot	 Bulletin Archives
[04:06]	TR News	#Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
[04:06]	TR Bot	 Techrights Full IPFS Index
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[04:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[04:24]	TR News	What's in a (type) name? [LWN] https://lwn.net/Articles/906496/ Source: LWN | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lwn.net/Articles/906496/
[04:24]	TR Bot	in a (type) name? [LWN.net]
[04:25]	TR News	Lazy imports for Python [LWN] https://lwn.net/Articles/907226/ Source: LWN | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lwn.net/Articles/907226/
[04:25]	TR Bot	imports for Python [LWN.net]
[04:25]	TR News	 (NEW): A look at Linux Mint 21 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/A_look_at_Linux_Mint_21.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/A_look_at_Linux_Mint_21.gmi 
[04:25]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines A look at Linux Mint 21
[04:30]	TR News	Apostles Of Mara https://www.epistem.ink/p/apostles-of-mara
[04:30]	TR Bot	 Apostles Of Mara - by George - Epistemink
[04:30]	TR News	 (NEW): LWN Articles on Linux (Outside Paywall Now) http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/LWN_Articles_on_Linux_Outside_Paywall_Now.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/LWN_Articles_on_Linux_Outside_Paywall_Now.gmi 
[04:30]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines LWN Articles on Linux (Outside Paywall Now)
[04:32]	TR News	All of TikTok's American rival can do the same or already do the same, so... https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/19/technology/tiktok-browser-tracking.html
[04:32]	TR Bot	 TikTok Browser Can Track Users Keystrokes, According to New Research - The New York Times
[04:33]	TR News	"The payments for infected people off work were set to expire at the end of the month but will remain in place as long as mandatory isolation periods are in effect." https://michaelwest.com.au/paid-pandemic-leave-extended-indefinitely/
[04:33]	TR Bot	 Paid pandemic leave extended indefinitely - Michael West
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[05:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	theo in towa tei glasses / outfit: "german"
[05:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	kylie: "bold"
[05:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	theo: "german"
[05:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	kylie: "bold"
[05:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	theo: "german" kylie: "bold"
[05:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	theo: "attack surface"
[05:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	*towa tei music*
[05:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	"my name is german bold attack surface"
[05:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	"i am a mitigation"
[05:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	"like you have never heard before"
[05:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	"like you have never seen before"
[05:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	"i can compliment you well, especially in red, extremely in green..."
[05:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	"maybe, in blue-- Blue, BLUE?"
[05:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	theo: "you will like my sense of style" (flannel with weird shorts from alberta)
[05:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	kylie: "baby!"
[05:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	*dr evil voice* "i fit"
[05:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	"like"
[05:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	"a"
[05:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	"glove?"
[05:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	thank god openbsd doesnt have the fsfs budget for making weird fucking videos, or this could be a real thing 
[05:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	(apologies to ms. minogue)
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[06:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[06:33]	DaemonFC	https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view%3Fhttps%253A//wgntv.com/news/chicago-news/whole-foods-in-englewood-to-close-in-november/
[06:33]	TR Bot	 Gemini Portal
[06:33]	DaemonFC	I was laughing when the city paid Amazon to put this in, in 2018.
[06:33]	DaemonFC	I called it "the ghetto Whole Foods" to John and said I doubted it would be there more than a few years.
[06:34]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], Jeremy Soule has disappeared from public view ever since all of the rape "allegations" (from so many women they can't all be lying").
[06:34]	DaemonFC	mjg59_, ^
[06:34]	DaemonFC	"I disagree with her point of view." regarding the masturbation video.
[06:51]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR]: Perhaps you could point me at the discussion of git using SSH certificates?
[06:51]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR]: And perhaps you could describe how it works given that ssh-keygen doesn't handle the find-principals command properly in the certificate case?
[06:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	a bison alternative that isnt github-based https://fbb-git.gitlab.io/bisoncpp/
[06:55]	TR Bot	 Bisonc++ V 6.04.04
[06:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	it also outputs c++ btw
[06:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	(or rather instead)
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[06:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	im not sure this is worth getting too excited about, since most of the things that matter (and require bison) arent going to have this as a drop-in replacement
[06:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	if you were using bison you could switch to this, but its not like most people who pretend to be about "free software" actually give a fuck if microsoft has a monopoly on it
[06:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	not even the gnu destroyers "maintainers"
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[07:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	the fsf and gnu project stopped doing their jobs in 2011
[07:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	but this wasnt really a problem until about 2014
[07:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats when threats starting actually manifesting, to which their response was a big fat fuck-all
[07:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	github took over most of free software in 2018, about which the fsf did a big fat fuck-all
[07:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	the fsf itself was taken over in 2019, about which the fsf did a big fat fuck-all
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[07:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	ever since then the fsf has done fuck-all
[07:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	gnu has also, since 2014, done fuck-all
[07:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	the whole thing can be shut down, because it serves no fucking purpose
[07:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	its a front for ibm and microsoft and the whole thing is a scam
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[07:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	there are several competing organisations, the lot of which are ridiculous
[07:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	several are even worse than the fsf, but this doesnt make the fsf useful
[07:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	there is no fight-- there is no freedom-- there is no free software
[07:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	the whole thing is bunk
[07:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	if you like free software, you might also like qanon and scientology (or both!)
[07:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	join the fsfr, run by the russian government, it is the most legitimate version of the fsf in existence and it is never wrong
[07:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	of course its never wrong, its run by putin himself
[07:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	so how can it be wrong
[07:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	z for victory, z for freedom, z for free software
[07:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[08:14]	TR News	 (NEW): EndeavourOS Artemis Nova Released with Linux Kernel 5.19, Vanilla GRUB Experience http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/EndeavourOS_Artemis_Nova_Released_with_Linux_Kernel_5_19.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/EndeavourOS_Artemis_Nova_Released_with_Linux_Kernel_5_19.gmi 
[08:14]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines EndeavourOS Artemis Nova Released with Linux Kernel 5.19, Vanilla GRUB Experience
[08:18]	TR News	"Charting the Course" https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2022-09/msg00000.html | Source: GNU
[08:18]	TR Bot	 LibrePlanet 2023: Charting the Course | Call for sessions announced!
[08:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	flex alternative https://fbb-git.gitlab.io/flexcpp/
[08:18]	TR Bot	 Flexc++ V 2.11.02
[08:19]	TR News	"The founder of open-source technology provider WSO2, Dr Sanjiva Weerawarana, is visiting Australia this month" https://itwire.com/it-industry-news/strategy/open-source-technology-founder-dr-sanjiva-weerawaranato-to-visit-australia.html | Source: IT Wire
[08:19]	TR Bot	- Open-source technology founder Dr Sanjiva Weerawarana to visit Australia
[08:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	im confused "Github's web-pages for oxref are here: https://fbb-git.gitlab.io/oxref/ "
[08:19]	TR Bot	 Oxref V 2.00.03
[08:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	 :/
[08:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[08:20]	TR News	"As with every such resolution, there are a number of solutions proposed, in this case five" https://itwire.com/business-it-news/open-source/debian-set-to-start-vote-on-including-non-free-packages-in-install-media.html | Source: IT Wire
[08:20]	TR Bot	- Debian set to start vote on including non-free packages in install media
[08:21]	TR News	"Star Wars" https://variety.com/vip/why-disney-remains-a-major-gaming-licensor-not-a-player-1235371894/ | Source: Variety
[08:21]	TR Bot	Disney Remains aMajor Gaming Licensor --Not a Player - Variety
[08:22]	TR News	IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, September 14, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/15/irc-log-140922/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/15/irc-log-140922/
[08:22]	TR Bot	 IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, September 14, 2022 | Techrights
[08:23]	TR News	Standards https://www.standict.eu/standicteu-2023-8th-open-call |
[08:23]	TR Bot	2023 - 8th Open Call | StandICT.eu 2023
[08:25]	TR News	The National Commission for Safai Karamcharis takes action to protect sanitation workers from workplace surveillance https://internetfreedom.in/the-national-commission-for-safai-karamcharis-takes-action-to-protect-sanitation-workers-from-workplace-surveillance/ Source: Internet Freedom Foundation
[08:26]	TR Bot	 The National Commission for Safai Karamcharis takes action to protect sanitation workers from workplace surveillance
[08:26]	TR News	"On the 22th of September, Interoperable Europe Digital Services Director Natalia Aristimuo Prez will take part" https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/interoperable-europe/news/panel-implementing-data-spaces-perez-sir-berners-lee | Source: Joinup
[08:26]	TR Bot	 Panel on implementing data spaces, with Prez & Sir Berners-Lee | Joinup
[08:29]	schestowitz[TR]	mjg59_: it goes back years, e.g. 2019 https://linuxkamarada.com/en/2019/07/14/using-git-with-ssh-keys/#.YyLUVzfTVhE
[08:29]	TR Bot	 Using Git with SSH keys - Linux Kamarada
[08:30]	schestowitz[TR]	it was also in headlines a lot lately, this past spring and summer
[08:30]	schestowitz[TR]	you need to read news
[08:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	im sure he reads news
[08:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	looking for people to destroy 
[08:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	let me know when the media isnt bullshit anyway
[08:31]	schestowitz[TR]	techrights might be world's first to use mqtt for git alerts
[08:31]	schestowitz[TR]	among other things
[08:31]	schestowitz[TR]	we wrote some toolsets
[08:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	lol
[08:32]	schestowitz[TR]	in gemini we were first to do many git things
[08:32]	TR News	"Visitors can use their smartphones to scan the robot's barcodes to show content such as verses from the Quran and download it on their devices." https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/saudi-arabia-mecca-grand-mosque-robots-sermons-call-prayer-relay | Source: Middle East Eye
[08:32]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/saudi-arabia-mecca-grand-mosque-robots-sermons-call-prayer-relay )
[08:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	MQTT is a lightweight, publish-subscribe, machine to machine network protocol. It is designed for connections with remote locations that have devices with resource constraints or limited network bandwidth. It must run over a transport protocol that provides ordered, lossless, bi-directional connectionstypically, TCP/IP. It is an open OASIS standard and an ISO recommendation.
[08:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://mqtt.org/
[08:33]	TR Bot	 MQTT - The Standard for IoT Messaging
[08:33]	TR News	"Around 200 health organisations and more than 1,400 health professionals on Wednesday called for governments to establish a binding international treaty" https://today.rtl.lu/news/science-and-environment/a/1965965.html | Source: RTL
[08:33]	TR Bot	 RTL Today - Cancel fossil fuels: Health groups call for fossil fuel non-proliferation treaty
[08:33]	schestowitz[TR]	you can now get alerts about tuxmachines posts
[08:33]	schestowitz[TR]	over mqtt
[08:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	MQTT: The Standard for IoT Messaging <- presumably it isnt the iobs application that interests you
[08:33]	schestowitz[TR]	yobs?
[08:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	interent of bullshit
[08:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	net
[08:34]	schestowitz[TR]	ah
[08:34]	schestowitz[TR]	f*iing YOBS!
[08:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	yobbos
[08:34]	TR News	"Core to his vision was a belief that wine should be enjoyed and consumed on every American table" https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/14/business/fred-franzia-death/index.html | Source: CNN
[08:34]	TR Bot	 Fred Franzia, creator of 'Two Buck Chuck,' has died | CNN Business
[08:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	why mqtt though
[08:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://mqtt.org/
[08:35]	TR News	Windows TCO https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/iranian-nationals-charged-ransomware-conspiracy/story?id=89892197 | Source: ABC
[08:35]	TR Bot	 Iranian nationals charged in alleged ransomware conspiracy - ABC News
[08:35]	schestowitz[TR]	highest_cubist_thrills: push protocol
[08:35]	schestowitz[TR]	rss is pull
[08:35]	schestowitz[TR]	so you subscribe
[08:35]	schestowitz[TR]	and it pulsates when there is something new
[08:35]	schestowitz[TR]	and same for git
[08:35]	highest_cubist_thrills	ive been hearing this since identica stopped being reliable
[08:35]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats a long fucking time
[08:35]	schestowitz[TR]	I used to poll for upates every 10 minutes in our two git servers
[08:35]	highest_cubist_thrills	why should i care now
[08:35]	schestowitz[TR]	and now I get alerted (knotify)
[08:36]	schestowitz[TR]	when there is a push committed)
[08:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	also what are you using for mqtt
[08:36]	schestowitz[TR]	and run a command to check the difss, with colour
[08:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://mqtt.org/software/
[08:36]	TR Bot	 Software
[08:36]	schestowitz[TR]	*diffs
[08:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	i mean, its not an application, its a protocol 
[08:36]	TR News	Windows TCO https://www.voanews.com/a/irnian-nationals-charged-in-hacking-campaign-/6747347.html | Source: VOA News
[08:36]	TR Bot	 Three Iranian Hackers Charged in 'Ransomware-Style' Hacking Campaign
[08:36]	schestowitz[TR]	mosquito 
[08:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me nods
[08:36]	TR News	Windows TCO https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/3642985-doj-indicts-iranians-for-allegedly-hacking-and-extorting-us-groups/ | Source: The Hill
[08:36]	TR Bot	 DOJ indicts Iranians for allegedly hacking and extorting US groups | The Hill
[08:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://www.mosquitto.org/
[08:37]	TR Bot	 Eclipse Mosquitto
[08:37]	TR News	Microsoft Windows should NOT BE BAILED OUT. It's a national security THREAT. It's a yoke on taxpayers, aside from the bailouts.
[08:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	An open source MQTT broker <- oh good
[08:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	obligatory microsoft repo https://github.com/eclipse/mosquitto
[08:38]	TR Bot	- eclipse/mosquitto: Eclipse Mosquitto - An open source MQTT broker
[08:38]	TR News	[Old] Signing Git Commits with Your SSH Key https://calebhearth.com/sign-git-with-ssh | Source: Caleb Hearth
[08:38]	TR Bot	 Signing Git Commits with Your SSH Key
[08:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	you know if hitler had been this successful they would be speaking german in china by now
[08:38]	TR News	"To be clear, Im not trying to land on one side of the identity debate or another." https://blog.eldrid.ge/2022/08/12/online-identity-is-complicated/ |
[08:38]	TR Bot	 Online Identity is Complicated | Eldridge's Blog
[08:38]	schestowitz[TR]	highest_cubist_thrills: or japanese
[08:38]	schestowitz[TR]	hitler had a 'branch' in east asia
[08:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me nods
[08:39]	schestowitz[TR]	he has an active branch in techrights too
[08:39]	schestowitz[TR]	it lays low
[08:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	rofl
[08:39]	schestowitz[TR]	underground cell
[08:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	the two nazis at techrights
[08:40]	TR News	Personal Information Protection Commission https://www.reuters.com/technology/skorea-fines-google-meta-over-accusations-privacy-law-violations-yonhap-2022-09-14/ | Source: Reuters
[08:40]	TR Bot	fines Google, Meta billions of won for privacy violations | Reuters
[08:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	dont feel bad, im sure libera has more
[08:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me isnt even kidding
[08:40]	TR News	"collecting and analysing" https://today.rtl.lu/news/business-and-tech/a/1966014.html | Source: RTL
[08:40]	TR Bot	 RTL Today - Gathering personal information : Google, Meta face record fines in South Korea over privacy violations
[08:40]	schestowitz[TR]	highest_cubist_thrills: it's about %
[08:40]	schestowitz[TR]	anyone they never self-identify
[08:41]	schestowitz[TR]	they also have a special pronound
[08:41]	schestowitz[TR]	shit/it
[08:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	herr/hein
[08:41]	TR News	"South Korea has fined Google and Meta more than $71 million collectively for gathering users' personal information without consent for tailored ads" https://www.rfi.fr/en/business-and-tech/20220914-google-meta-face-record-fines-in-south-korea-over-privacy-violations | Source: RFI
[08:41]	TR Bot	 Google, Meta face record fines in South Korea over privacy violations
[08:42]	TR News	"South Korea levied millions of dollars in fines on Alphabet's Google and Meta Platforms for privacy law violations" https://www.channelnewsasia.com/business/south-korea-fines-google-meta-billions-won-privacy-violations-2936961 | Source: CNA
[08:42]	TR Bot	 South Korea fines Google, Meta billions of won for privacy violations - CNA
[08:42]	TR News	"Regulators said the majority of the users in South Korea -- 82 percent for Google and 98 percent for Meta -- had unknowingly allowed them to collect data" https://www.barrons.com/news/google-meta-face-record-fines-in-south-korea-over-privacy-violations-01663138807 | Source: Barrons
[08:42]	TR Bot	 Google, Meta Face Record Fines In South Korea Over Privacy Violations | Barron's
[08:43]	schestowitz[TR]	herr/NEIN!
[08:43]	schestowitz[TR]	nicht/shit
[08:43]	schestowitz[TR]	sorry, schitt
[08:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	sheisse?
[08:45]	TR News	"Many right-wing voters voice concern that an Islamist party has become popular among immigrants." https://nordicmonitor.com/2022/09/pro-erdogan-islamist-party-in-sweden-raises-concern-as-highly-voted-in-immigrant-districts/ |
[08:45]	TR Bot	 Pro-Erdoan Islamist party in Sweden sparks concerns after it receives large number of votes in immigrant districts - Nordic Monitor
[08:46]	TR News	"The obvious solution is to move production out to sea" https://www.economist.com/europe/2022/09/08/irelands-dreams-of-exporting-wind-power-are-plausible | Source: The Economist
[08:46]	TR Bot	dreams of exporting wind power are plausible | The Economist
[08:46]	TR News	"the Iru co-generation power plant, which has a capacity of 94 megawatt, is unlikely to produce electricity this year" https://news.err.ee/1608715750/eesti-energia-estonia-cannot-produce-enough-electricity-during-peak-hours | Source: Eesti Rahvusringhling
[08:46]	TR Bot	 Eesti Energia: Estonia cannot produce enough electricity during peak hours | News | ERR
[08:47]	TR News	"ultra-emission event" https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/scientists-refute-pemex-denial-methane/ | Source: Mexico News Daily
[08:47]	TR Bot	 Scientists refute Pemex regarding massive methane leak
[08:48]	TR News	"An official in one Somali region described famished people walking long distances with children on their shoulders to escape" https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20220913-half-a-million-children-on-somalia-face-acute-malnutrition/ | Source: Middle East Monitor
[08:48]	TR Bot	 Half a million children on Somalia face acute malnutrition Middle East Monitor
[08:48]	TR News	"stop taking water out of the Sacramento" https://www.sacbee.com/news/california/water-and-drought/article265728076.html | Source: California
[08:48]	TR News	"At present, whatever water one state gets, another can expect to lose" https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-environment/3643208-can-we-save-the-diminishing-colorado-river/ | Source: The Hill
[08:49]	TR News	"But is a population slowdown as much of a crisis as some have made it out to be, or could it actually bring welcome changes?" https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/14/opinion/population-birthrate-decline.html | Source: New York Times
[08:49]	TR News	"Winner said she was motivated to act on a belief that the American public wasn't getting the full truth." https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/reality-winner-imprisoned-leaking-classified-report-calls-case-trump-i-rcna46683 | Source: NBC
[08:50]	TR News	"Moscow has covertly funded political parties, officials and politicians in at least two dozen nations across four continents since 2014" https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-spent-millions-secretly-interfering-foreign-politics-us-intel-rcna47631 | Source: NBC
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[08:50]	TR News	"Among Zatko's most serious accusations is that Twitter violated the terms of a 2011 FTC settlement" https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/enterprise-services-and-applications/why-twitters-former-security-head-is-testifying/94210849 | Source: India Times
[08:51]	TR News	Twitter = a fraud (like Musk). "Peiter Zatko, who was fired from Twitter in January due to performance issues, blew the whistle on the company last month" https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2022/09/twitter-whistleblower-says-company-needs-to-work-to-permanently-delete-user-data/ | Source: Broadband Breakfast
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[08:52]	TR News	Misinformation. "The contract between the Communication and Citizenry Council of Nicaragua, the country's state media conglomerate" https://www.voanews.com/a/nicaragua-cuts-deal-with-kremlin-station-sputnik-to-air-content-/6747611.html | Source: VOA News
[08:52]	TR Bot	 Nicaragua Cuts Deal With Kremlin Station Sputnik to Air Content
[08:52]	TR News	Misinformation kills. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/michigan-man-killed-wife-went-rabbit-hole-conspiracy-theories-trumps-2-rcna47701 | Source: NBC
[08:52]	TR Bot	 Michigan man who killed his wife went down a 'rabbit hole' of conspiracy theories after Trump's 2020 loss, daughter says
[08:54]	TR News	Censorship: "signed by 28 Muslim organizations and mosques in Alberta calling for May's resignation over comments he made in a book in 2009" https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/alberta-justice-minister-asks-human-rights-chief-to-step-down-after-calls-from-muslim-community-1.6065959 |
[08:54]	TR Bot	 Collin May asked to resign from Alberta Human Rights Commission | CTV News
[08:54]	TR News	Censorship follows: "anti-monarchy sentiment continues to be expressed in tandem with the countrys mourning period." https://www.teenvogue.com/story/anti-monarchy-protests-uk-sep | Source: Teen Vogue
[08:54]	TR Bot	 Anti-Royal Family Protesters Are Being Arrested in the UK | Teen Vogue
[08:55]	TR News	"400 workers there will vote on whether to join the upstart Amazon Labor Union" https://text.npr.org/1122958027 | Source: BillPR
[08:55]	TR Bot	 Amazon warehouse workers in Albany will vote on unionization in October
[08:56]	TR News	"He was shot and killed by one officer while he remained in the front seat." https://www.cpr.org/2022/09/13/clear-creek-county-deputies-shooting-parent-interview/ |
[08:56]	TR Bot	 They should be protecting us, not attacking us: Parents of man killed by Clear Creek County deputies speak out | Colorado Public Radio
[08:56]	TR News	"From beginning to end, the officers escalated and proactively initiated force [...] The act of simply calling 911 for help cannot be a death sentence" https://www.cpr.org/2022/09/13/clear-creek-county-deputies-shooting/ |
[08:56]	TR Bot	 Clear Creek County deputies shoot and kill man who asked for help after car crash | Colorado Public Radio
[08:57]	TR News	"Rathod said Glass had no history of mental illness." https://coloradosun.com/2022/09/13/family-colorado-man-shot-wants-accountability/ |
[08:57]	TR Bot	 Family of Colorado man shot by police wants accountability
[08:58]	TR News	"That term refers to a spectrum of exploitative practices like forced labor, forced marriage and human trafficking." https://text.npr.org/1122714064 | Source: BillPR http://techrights.org/2022/09/13/npr-kids/
[08:58]	TR Bot	 No region is 'immune' as the number of people in 'modern slavery' climbs to 50 million
[08:58]	TR Bot	 Why Does NPR, Funded by Bill Gates, Publish Such a Thing This Week? | Techrights
[08:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 10.61 k/sec., IPFS upstream 100.93 average k/sec., average swarm size 110.53
[08:59]	TR News	"now a group of Muslim men are reported to have barged in a school brandishing firearms and threatened Hindu girls to fall to their friendship proposals." https://www.firstpost.com/india/ranchi-muslim-youth-barge-in-school-with-firearms-tell-hindu-girls-to-be-their-friends-or-get-kidnapped-11229951.html | Source: Firstpost
[08:59]	TR Bot	 Ranchi: Muslim youth barge in school with firearms, tell Hindu girls to be their friends or get kidnapped
[08:59]	TR News	"We have not found any evidence that that individual engaged in such an activity" https://text.npr.org/1122977386 | Source: BillR
[08:59]	TR Bot	 BYU apologizes to a banned fan, saying it found no proof they yelled racial slurs
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[09:00]	TR News	Monopolies https://thehill.com/policy/technology/3643072-california-sues-amazon-alleges-tech-giant-stifled-competition/ | Source: The Hill
[09:00]	TR Bot	 California sues Amazon, alleges tech giant stifled competition | The Hill
[09:00]	TR News	"The lawsuit, filed by state Attorney General Rob Bonta, focuses on the way Amazon the largest online retailer deals with third-party merchants, who account for most of the sales on the platform." https://text.npr.org/1122995430 | Source: NPR
[09:00]	TR Bot	 California sues Amazon, alleging its policies cause higher prices everywhere
[09:01]	TR News	Gulag "will have to face most of the Texas-led antitrust case over the tech giants ad dominance, a judge ruled Tuesday." https://thehill.com/policy/technology/3642494-google-must-face-most-of-texas-led-antitrust-case-court-says/ | Source: The Hill
[09:01]	TR Bot	 Google must face most of Texas-led antitrust case, court says | The Hill
[09:01]	TR News	"The EU General Court largely concurred with the Commission's conclusion that [Gulag] had acted unfairly" https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/digital-security/google-suffers-setback-in-court-fight-against-eu-fine/94210828 | Source: India Times
[09:01]	TR Bot	 Google EU fine: Google suffers setback in court fight against EU fine, CIO News, ET CIO
[09:02]	TR News	"commissions decision that [Gulag] imposed unlawful restrictions" https://itwire.com/government-tech-news/technology-regulation/eu-gives-google-little-relief-in-verdict-on-record-fine-appeal.html | Source: IT Wire
[09:02]	TR Bot	- EU gives Google little relief in verdict on record fine appeal
[09:02]	TR News	"The court, however, said the fine should be slightly reduced to 4.125 billion euros ($4.1 billion), instead of the 4.3 billion euros" https://today.rtl.lu/news/business-and-tech/a/1966063.html | Source: RTL
[09:02]	TR Bot	 RTL Today - 4.125 billion euros: Google handed setback as EU court upholds record fine
[09:02]	TR News	"The General Court largely confirms the Commission's decision that [Gulag] imposed unlawful restrictions on manufacturers of Android" https://www.reuters.com/technology/eu-courts-wed-ruling-record-44-bln-google-fine-may-set-precedent-2022-09-14/ | Source: Reuters
[09:02]	TR Bot	loses challenge against EU antitrust decision, other probes loom | Reuters
[09:03]	TR News	"A ruling on Wednesday by Europes General Court on whether Alphabet [agency]s [Gulag] should face a record EU antitrust fine of 4.34 billion euro" https://indianexpress.com/article/technology/tech-news-technology/eu-courts-ruling-on-record-4-4-bn-google-fine-may-set-precedent-8149944/ | Source: Indian Express
[09:03]	TR Bot	 EU court's ruling on record $4.4 bn Google fine may set precedent
[09:03]	mjg59_	08:29 < schestowitz[TR]> mjg59_: it goes back years, e.g. 2019 
[09:03]	TR News	"The Commission in its 2018 decision said [Gulag] used Android to cement its dominance in general internet search via payments" https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2022-09-14/eu-courts-wed-ruling-on-record-4-4-billion-google-fine-may-set-precedent | Source: US News And World Report
[09:03]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR]: That's talking about using SSH to auth to a git server, not to sign commits with
[09:03]	schestowitz[TR]	<techrights-news> [Old] Signing Git Commits with Your SSH Key https://calebhearth.com/sign-git-with-ssh | Source: Caleb Hearth
[09:04]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR]: Also, the word "certificate" doesn't appear in that post at all
[09:04]	TR News	"A group of U.S. lawmakers wants domain name registry Verisign to help tackle online piracy" https://torrentfreak.com/us-lawmakers-urge-verisign-to-help-tackle-online-piracy-220914/ | Source: Torrent Freak
[09:04]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR]: Keys are not certificates
[09:05]	mjg59_	As someone who apparently knows more about security than me, I'm sure you know that already
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[09:05]	TR News	"widespread disparities involving not just students of color" https://www.propublica.org/article/state-investigation-reveals-racial-disparities-in-student-discipline-and-police-involvement | Source: Pro Publica
[09:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	roy used to work for the nsa, until they figured out he wasnt american and asked him to go work for gchq instead
[09:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	"how did you even get in here"
[09:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	"i used a backdoor"
[09:06]	TR News	"Today I got a rely from an old posting I made on the Fediverse. That post links to an article from a local newspaper that wrote about the fact that I regularly ride a penny around Oslo, along with other 'weird' cycles." gemini://ruario.flounder.online/journal-extract-2022-09-11-1053.gmi
[09:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	"wow. but seriously, go back to the uk"
[09:07]	schestowitz[TR]	highest_cubist_thrills: a digital wormhole
[09:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	your words, not mine
[09:07]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR]: Can you point at any previous evidence that git supported SSH certificates for commit signing?
[09:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	this will never work, mjg
[09:09]	TR News	"Thirty-two states and the District of Columbia have enacted commonsense anti-SLAPP legislation." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/14/house-dems-target-big-oil-weaponizing-law-against-protesters-block-climate-action | Source: Common Dreams
[09:09]	TR News	Sanders Blocks GOP Bill https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/14/strike-looms-sanders-blocks-gop-bill-force-rail-workers-deal-no-sick-days | Source: Common Dreams
[09:10]	TR News	Banned https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/09/14/jailed-russian-opposition-politician-alexey-navalny-s-fellow-prisoners-banned-from-looking-at-him | Source: Meduza (maybe navalny IS a meduza)
[09:11]	TR News	Putin turns 70 next month, but he already wets his diapers in his 60s.
[09:11]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR]: Or do you enjoy just making uninformed assertions about people?
[09:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me has seen people die before the admitted such trivial things
[09:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	in the land of bullshit, reality has no teeth
[09:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	however at least in this instance theres an element of karma
[09:13]	TR News	MinceR: can it be made of GLASS? https://telex.hu/english/2022/09/14/the-russians-are-in-the-pantry-the-new-mini-statue-of-sculptor-mihaly-kolodko-installed-in-the-capital | Source: Telex (Hungary)
[09:13]	mjg59_	Yeah I appreciate people disagreeing with me as long as the disagreement is based on reality
[09:14]	schestowitz[TR]	you lie a lot
[09:14]	schestowitz[TR]	and we're vindicated about it
[09:14]	schestowitz[TR]	time and time again
[09:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	bye, reality
[09:14]	mjg59_	So where is the evidence of git supporting signatures using SSH certificates
[09:14]	schestowitz[TR]	"mjg doesn't know something" -> "the world does not know something"
[09:14]	schestowitz[TR]	there is a word for it
[09:15]	schestowitz[TR]	lol, your OWN post admits you were WRONG
[09:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me wastes time looking it up
[09:15]	schestowitz[TR]	just modify the title of your blog post
[09:15]	schestowitz[TR]	"I WAS WRONG."
[09:15]	schestowitz[TR]	"I get my info from TWEETS"
[09:15]	schestowitz[TR]	true story
[09:16]	schestowitz[TR]	some scjone or something
[09:16]	mjg59_	Yeah uh did you spot the bit where git doesn't actually do this
[09:16]	mjg59_	So you need external tooling
[09:16]	TR News	Why I left public education after 13 years https://telex.hu/english/2022/09/14/why-i-left-public-education-after-13-years-a-teachers-story | Source: Telex (Hungary)
[09:16]	mjg59_	And can you then point at the evidence that anyone has previously implemented that external tooling
[09:17]	schestowitz[TR]	From "I was wrong" to "I am all-knowing"
[09:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	now, this does say keys, not certs
[09:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	 GitHub commit verification using SSH keys - DEV Community 
[09:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	dev.to/pwd9000/github-commit-verification-using-ssh-2pim
[09:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	To enable SSH commit verification you can either use an existing SSH key or generate a new SSH key: Open a command terminal and run: $ ssh-keygen -t ed25519 -C "your_email@example.com" If you use the defaults for the above command in Windows it will save your SSH key in the path: /c/Users/you/.ssh/id_algorithm
[09:17]	schestowitz[TR]	From "I didn't know I could do this" to "I am GURU at this thing!!"
[09:17]	mjg59_	highest_cubist_thrills: Yeah key support is well known, but doesn't solve the problem I was trying to solve
[09:17]	schestowitz[TR]	like dfc says,
[09:17]	schestowitz[TR]	SUUUUUPER GEEEENIUS
[09:17]	mjg59_	highest_cubist_thrills: I can't find any evidence that people had tried to use certificate support before
[09:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	i certainly dont have any
[09:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	why certificates instead of keys?
[09:18]	mjg59_	And, like I said, git is actually broken if you try to use certificates right now - looks like openssh 9.0 fixes that
[09:19]	mjg59_	highest_cubist_thrills: If you want to do key verification you need a database of every legitimate key
[09:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	and a cert absttracts that in a practical way?
[09:19]	mjg59_	Yeah
[09:19]	TR News	More unions = lower class reasserting control over oligarchs, to some extent. What we needed! https://telex.hu/english/2022/09/14/teachers-unions-turn-to-european-court-of-human-rights-about-their-right-to-strike | Source: Telex (Hungary)
[09:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	ok
[09:19]	mjg59_	You have one authority where your user shows you their key and their auth and you give them a certificate
[09:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[09:20]	TR News	"We speak with journalist and activist Eamonn McCann about Queen Elizabeth IIs legacy in Ireland and the impact of her recent death on the prospects of Irish unification." https://www.democracynow.org/2022/9/14/queen_elizabeth_iis_legacy_ireland_northern | Source: Democracy Now
[09:20]	mjg59_	And then everything else just verifies that the certificate has the right signature on it
[09:20]	mjg59_	So all that knowledge lives in one place
[09:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	roy is against all such centralisation, or seems to imply it often enough
[09:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	i cant entirely blame him, if its sincere
[09:20]	mjg59_	Otherwise you need everything that validates keys to know the good keys
[09:21]	mjg59_	So we built a service that just issues SSH certs, and then we can verify those for SSHing into services
[09:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	ok
[09:21]	schestowitz[TR]	anyway, cars should not do certificate
[09:21]	schestowitz[TR]	and "aurtora" should be out of business
[09:21]	schestowitz[TR]	reselling shit
[09:21]	schestowitz[TR]	to cars that will kill peopl
[09:21]	schestowitz[TR]	even innocent pedestrians
[09:21]	mjg59_	But without having to add anything else we can also use the same certificates for verifying git
[09:21]	schestowitz[TR]	all that remoe control BS is insane
[09:21]	schestowitz[TR]	and product of lobbying (lying)
[09:22]	schestowitz[TR]	false promises
[09:22]	schestowitz[TR]	voting machines= go back to paper
[09:22]	schestowitz[TR]	shops = hired cashiers
[09:22]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR]: Point at the previous documented use of SSH certificates to sign git commits
[09:22]	schestowitz[TR]	cars = no connection
[09:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	cars definitely shouldnt vote
[09:22]	schestowitz[TR]	electric syste, fine. lights and all
[09:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	i know i sound old fashioned now
[09:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats just how i was raised
[09:23]	mjg59_	Oh yeah the idea that cars should talk to each other on the road and vote about what the right thing to do is is a terrible idea
[09:23]	schestowitz[TR]	a word was made up for it: technofascism
[09:23]	schestowitz[TR]	or techno-fetishism
[09:23]	schestowitz[TR]	people who mix tech with sex, that's another one
[09:23]	schestowitz[TR]	worse than food and sex
[09:23]	mjg59_	v2v is just not a good idea
[09:23]	TR News	Trademarks https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/14/luka-doncics-trademark-dispute-with-his-mother-is-in-uncharted-trademark-territory/ | Source: Techdirt
[09:24]	mjg59_	Vibrators and sex are worse than food and sex?
[09:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	people who mix tech with sex, that's another one <- whats the alternative
[09:24]	schestowitz[TR]	https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/06/19/0447209
[09:24]	schestowitz[TR]	same for cars 
[09:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	 <mjg59_> Vibrators and sex are worse than food and sex? <- im going to call this the cucumber / vibrator dickotomy
[09:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	i mean dichotomy (whoops)
[09:25]	mjg59_	My experience in general is that vibrators work better than cucumbers
[09:25]	schestowitz[TR]	Vibrators are just mechanics
[09:25]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR]: Oh, you're not up to date
[09:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	 <mjg59_> My experience in general is that vibrators work better than cucumbers <- it depends on what youre trying to do
[09:25]	mjg59_	highest_cubist_thrills: Yeah I wouldn't use a vibrator in a salad
[09:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	i find vibrators to be absolutely terrible in salads
[09:25]	schestowitz[TR]	the technofascism/techno-fetishismfolks try to go neyond that
[09:25]	mjg59_	Ha
[09:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	well, now i have to kill myself
[09:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	but it was funny anyway
[09:26]	mjg59_	Plenty of Bluetooth-enabled vibrators now
[09:26]	TR News	Newsom https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/14/gavin-newsom-signs-hugely-problematic-transparency-bill-into-law/ | Source: Techdirt
[09:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	bluetooth enabled salads wont be far behind
[09:26]	mjg59_	And buttplug.io supports a whole range of things
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[09:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	gitbutt
[09:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	systemd-buttplugd
[09:27]	mjg59_	So hardly just mechanical
[09:27]	schestowitz[TR]	surveillance back door
[09:27]	schestowitz[TR]	in your back doors
[09:27]	schestowitz[TR]	enjoy yoiur back doors
[09:27]	schestowitz[TR]	but not TOO much
[09:27]	mjg59_	I do enjoy my back door, thanks
[09:28]	schestowitz[TR]	too much info
[09:28]	TR News	Kharkiv https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/09/14/ukrainian-prosecutor-general-s-office-says-no-russian-teachers-detained-in-liberated-territories | Source: Meduza
[09:28]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[09:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=uxX18WZ6Glw
[09:28]	TR Bot	 The Doors - Back Door Man - Invidious
[09:28]	TR News	"A complex situation" https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/09/14/a-complex-situation-ukrainian-troops-approach-the-luhansk-people-s-republic | Source: Meduza
[09:28]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[09:28]	schestowitz[TR]	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=HqKXXiNl3TQ
[09:28]	mjg59_	So, again, where did anyone talk about SSH certificates being used to sign git commits before this week?
[09:28]	TR Bot	 The Best Of The Doors - Invidious
[09:28]	schestowitz[TR]	I caught up with The Doors a week ago
[09:29]	schestowitz[TR]	mjg59_: you 'discovered' America
[09:29]	schestowitz[TR]	like Columbus
[09:29]	TR News	Kavanaugh https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/14/judge-blocks-no-recording-cops-within-8-feet-law-even-arizona-cops-dont-want-to-defend/ | Source: Techdirt
[09:29]	TR Bot	Blocks No Recording Cops Within 8 Feet Law Even Arizona Cops Dont Want To Defend | Techdirt
[09:30]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR]: So point to the previous work
[09:30]	TR News	"the Elon Musk/Twitter saga has been excellent (his coverage of most things has been excellent" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/14/twitter-shareholders-approve-sale-of-the-company-to-some-dude-who-still-doesnt-understand-he-signed-a-binding-contract-to-buy-it/ | Source: Techdirt
[09:30]	TR Bot	Shareholders Approve Sale Of The Company To Some Dude Who Still Doesnt Understand He Signed A Binding Contract To Buy It | Techdirt
[09:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	imagine if columbus had reinvented the wheel
[09:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	his ship probably would have sunk
[09:31]	schestowitz[TR]	it wasn't even his ship
[09:31]	schestowitz[TR]	he just got sent by the Church
[09:31]	schestowitz[TR]	reportedly raped lots of little girlsa
[09:31]	schestowitz[TR]	but the US devotes a day to him every year
[09:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	could have worked for microsoft
[09:31]	schestowitz[TR]	Bill <3
[09:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	its a widely known fact that the usa is insane
[09:32]	schestowitz[TR]	Columbus was teaching them
[09:32]	schestowitz[TR]	like drPizza did
[09:32]	schestowitz[TR]	and then going inside them
[09:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	ive spent a couple of decades looking for a place thats less crazy though
[09:32]	mixling	signing git-commits can be accomplished with gpg, not ssh
[09:32]	mixling	ssh can be used to authenticate access to git repository, gpg to sign tags/commits
[09:33]	mjg59_	mixling: SSH keys can be used to sign commits
[09:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	im pretty convinced it doesnt even work that way
[09:33]	schestowitz[TR]	we do ssh for git
[09:33]	schestowitz[TR]	git:// is ssh://
[09:33]	mixling	mjg59_: didn't know that
[09:33]	schestowitz[TR]	it's not a big leap to do everything git with openssh
[09:33]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR]: Please point at the previous discussion about using SSH certificates to sign git commits
[09:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me wants to grep the logs to see if roy has ever referred to himself in the first person but cant be arsed
[09:34]	schestowitz[TR]	eaton debating tactgics
[09:34]	schestowitz[TR]	*eton
[09:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	 <schestowitz[TR]> I caught up with The Doors a week ago <- if anyone thought i missed it
[09:34]	TR News	Colorado https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/14/colorado-residents-lose-control-of-their-smart-thermostats-swelter-in-88-degree-heat/ | Source: Techdirt
[09:34]	TR Bot	Residents Lose Control Of Their Smart Thermostats, Swelter In 88 Degree Heat | Techdirt
[09:35]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR]: What, asking you to justify a claim is restricted to eton?
[09:35]	highest_cubist_thrills	exceptions stand out like a sore thumb on fire
[09:35]	TR News	Citing RMS (new, last night) https://yewtu.be/watch?v=cmuKlMnvvBI
[09:35]	TR Bot	 Imagine Letting a Power Company Control Your Thermostat - Invidious
[09:35]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me read it this way the first time and had to go back:
[09:35]	highest_cubist_thrills	We caught up with The Doors a week ago
[09:36]	schestowitz[TR]	mjg59_: can andrew sweat?
[09:36]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR]: You asserted that I should have known that git already supported using SSH certificates for commit signing. Where is the evidence to support that claim?
[09:36]	schestowitz[TR]	(how to shift focus)
[09:36]	mixling	when was this implemented to sign git commits with ssh-keys?
[09:36]	schestowitz[TR]	mjg59_: can andrew sweat?
[09:36]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR]: You asserted that I should have known that git already supported using SSH certificates for commit signing. Where is the evidence to support that claim?
[09:36]	mjg59_	mixling: Last year, when ssh-keygen gained the ability to sign and verify things
[09:36]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1545044/prince-andrew-sweating-claim-jeffrey-epstein-virginia-giuffre-spt
[09:36]	TR Bot	Andrew sweating claim left expert baffled: 'Would make you sweat MORE' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk
[09:36]	schestowitz[TR]	the REAL issue
[09:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	apparently he can https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Sweat
[09:36]	TR Bot	 Andrew Sweat - Wikipedia
[09:36]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10357597/Prince-Andrew-accuser-demands-provide-medical-evidence-sweat.html
[09:36]	TR Bot	 Prince Andrew accuser demands he provide medical evidence that he can't sweat | Daily Mail Online
[09:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	he probably did while playing football
[09:37]	schestowitz[TR]	Waitr, the queens's son had a scanal
[09:37]	schestowitz[TR]	it's about... sweat
[09:37]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10357597/Prince-Andrew-accuser-demands-provide-medical-evidence-sweat.html
[09:37]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR]: Ok the fact that you refuse to support your claim is evidence that your claim is false is that ok
[09:37]	schestowitz[TR]	BillBC https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/prince-andrew-jeffrey-epstein-sweat-allegations-pizza-expresss-a9208496.html
[09:37]	TR Bot	 Prince Andrew claimed he didnt sweat in BBC interview... but what does science say? | The Independent | The Independent
[09:37]	schestowitz[TR]	BillBC: we help cover up for Bill Gates
[09:37]	schestowitz[TR]	the bigger enabler of Jeffrey Epstein
[09:37]	schestowitz[TR]	le't taslk about sweat, baby!
[09:37]	schestowitz[TR]	the bigger enabler of Jeffrey Epstein
[09:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	 Ok the fact that you refuse to support your claim is evidence that your claim is false is that ok <- that wouldnt work in the usa
[09:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	they would have to use parallel construction
[09:37]	schestowitz[TR]	sweatgate
[09:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	and fusion centres
[09:38]	schestowitz[TR]	queen in trouble
[09:38]	schestowitz[TR]	her son's weatr
[09:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	well, shes dead
[09:38]	schestowitz[TR]	not his son sticking his dick in little girls
[09:38]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR]: When challenged you start talking about something else
[09:38]	schestowitz[TR]	he has a sweat issue
[09:38]	schestowitz[TR]	did bill agtes wweat?
[09:38]	schestowitz[TR]	I saw reports he fainted
[09:38]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR]: Did you lie?
[09:38]	schestowitz[TR]	when people found out about him and Jeffd
[09:38]	schestowitz[TR]	but can he SWEAT?
[09:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=LaTGrV58wec
[09:39]	TR Bot	 Gonna Make You Sweat (Everybody Dance Now) (Official HD Video) - Invidious
[09:39]	TR News	ATM Skimmers. Proprietary crap in action. https://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/09/say-hello-to-crazy-thin-deep-insert-atm-skimmers/ | Source: Krebs On Security
[09:39]	TR Bot	 Say Hello to Crazy Thin Deep Insert ATM Skimmers Krebs on Security
[09:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	as lovely as the model is, its martha wash singing
[09:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	once again
[09:40]	TR News	CNN at it again... https://fair.org/home/action-alert-crime-claims-of-cnns-new-police-expert-dont-hold-up-to-facts/ | Source: FAIR
[09:40]	TR Bot	 ACTION ALERT: Crime Claims of CNN's New Police Expert Don't Hold Up to Facts - FAIR
[09:40]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR]: Why do you keep saying things about me that you can't support?
[09:41]	schestowitz[TR]	your own post says you were wrongm
[09:41]	schestowitz[TR]	you were wrong
[09:41]	schestowitz[TR]	admit it
[09:41]	schestowitz[TR]	own it
[09:41]	schestowitz[TR]	sdon't sweat
[09:41]	schestowitz[TR]	sweating leads to ballmerism
[09:41]	schestowitz[TR]	btw did microsoft offer you a job when ballmer was ceo?
[09:41]	schestowitz[TR]	or after?
[09:41]	schestowitz[TR]	when they chose another snake?
[09:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	say what you will about mjg, i dont picture him buying a basketball team and rubbing their thighs in the middle of a game
[09:42]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR]: Can you point at the evidence that means I *should* have known about this?
[09:42]	schestowitz[TR]	ballmer is flamboyant 
[09:42]	schestowitz[TR]	he didn't want to miss out
[09:42]	schestowitz[TR]	even during pandemic
[09:42]	schestowitz[TR]	rubbing people
[09:42]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR]: Given that git itself will actually fail if you use SSH certificates
[09:42]	schestowitz[TR]	he assumes he owns them
[09:42]	schestowitz[TR]	he also assumed he "OWNED" Linux
[09:42]	schestowitz[TR]	the cancer
[09:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	they should have explained that you dont actually "own" the players themselves
[09:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	but i didnt see the contract
[09:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	im pretty sure theres an amendment
[09:43]	schestowitz[TR]	mjg59_: not you just rephrase
[09:43]	schestowitz[TR]	*now
[09:43]	schestowitz[TR]	the team is not just the players
[09:43]	schestowitz[TR]	I dread thinking what goes on in the chasing rooms
[09:43]	schestowitz[TR]	Maybe another Soule
[09:44]	mjg59_	Does git support signing with SSH certificates? No, because it can't verify those signatures.
[09:44]	schestowitz[TR]	come on come on come on now touch me baby
[09:44]	schestowitz[TR]	or you are fired
[09:44]	schestowitz[TR]	come on baby light my fired [sic]
[09:44]	mjg59_	So the fact that it can be made to do so if you do the verification out of band is not an obvious thing to know
[09:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=KnEXrbAQyIo
[09:44]	TR Bot	 Snoop Dogg - 'Sweat' Snoop Dogg vs David Guetta (Remix) [Official Video] - Invidious
[09:44]	schestowitz[TR]	(Doors ref)
[09:45]	schestowitz[TR]	chasing rooms LOL
[09:45]	schestowitz[TR]	funny typo
[09:45]	schestowitz[TR]	I meant chasging roomw
[09:45]	schestowitz[TR]	hen connie and steve are chasing skitts and men
[09:45]	schestowitz[TR]	*skirts
[09:45]	schestowitz[TR]	or men in skirts
[09:46]	schestowitz[TR]	not sure what steve is into
[09:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	come on baby light my fire <- youre not even trying
[09:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	come show me the way to the next little girl!
[09:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	how dont ask why, how dont ask why
[09:46]	schestowitz[TR]	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=8lVqEchxIxw
[09:46]	TR Bot	 The Doors - Touch Me - Invidious
[09:47]	schestowitz[TR]	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=jKU74Uns9_0&listen=false
[09:47]	TR Bot	 Light My Fire - Invidious
[09:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	what was that promise that you made
[09:47]	schestowitz[TR]	ballmer understands boundaries
[09:47]	schestowitz[TR]	when you are in my basketball team's voundaries I won you
[09:48]	schestowitz[TR]	do what I tell you or I call immigration
[09:48]	schestowitz[TR]	now come come come now touch me baby
[09:48]	schestowitz[TR]	"can't you ssee what I am not afraid"
[09:48]	schestowitz[TR]	my friend billg gets away with everything
[09:48]	schestowitz[TR]	ballmer knows boundaries
[09:48]	schestowitz[TR]	he knows what's his
[09:49]	schestowitz[TR]	like "prince" andrew knew he "owned" all the peasants
[09:49]	schestowitz[TR]	inc. young girls
[09:49]	schestowitz[TR]	charges?
[09:49]	schestowitz[TR]	no sweat
[09:49]	schestowitz[TR]	they took about 10 million from taxpayers
[09:49]	schestowitz[TR]	took about 20 pence from me and rianne
[09:49]	schestowitz[TR]	so the "monarchy" can go on with the jeffrey epstein burden
[09:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=uc2UEfWjvo8
[09:49]	TR Bot	 Inner Circle - Sweat (A La La Long) - Invidious
[09:49]	schestowitz[TR]	and billg is still lobbying and bribing papers
[09:49]	schestowitz[TR]	after all that
[09:50]	schestowitz[TR]	in 2022 jim zemlin still quotes him like a source of inspiration for linus
[09:50]	schestowitz[TR]	"linus is adorable... like my daughter"
[09:50]	schestowitz[TR]	his daughter is about 15 I think
[09:50]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe that's when billg still has a lust for girls
[09:50]	schestowitz[TR]	not sure, not clear
[09:50]	schestowitz[TR]	the media no longer investigates
[09:51]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe one day jim and sheela will look upm "bill gates neverland"
[09:52]	TR News	China.. and NYTimes being COVIDiots https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/14/nyt-scolds-china-for-not-learning-to-live-or-die-with-covid/ | Source: Scheerpost
[09:52]	TR Bot	Scolds China for Not Learning to Liveor DieWith Covid scheerpost.com
[09:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	honestly the lf galas would be so much more amazing if they could lease jeffs old estate
[09:52]	TR News	In 2022 the oligarchs' media is COVID-19 deniers. 2 years ago that same media used that term against the population. Before it passed some new and very oppressive laws.
[09:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	im sure zemlin has his own temple to whatever tiki thing epstein was into 
[09:53]	schestowitz[TR]	highest_cubist_thrills: the budget fell
[09:53]	schestowitz[TR]	but you can drop a proposal in the proposals box
[09:53]	schestowitz[TR]	they already completed a move to central SF
[09:53]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/linux-foundation-has-moved/
[09:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	if i see bkhun ill mention it
[09:53]	TR Bot	 Linux Foundation Has Moved to More Expensive Offices, Based on IRS Papers | Techrights
[09:53]	schestowitz[TR]	revenue sank
[09:53]	schestowitz[TR]	but they moved to a better HQ
[09:53]	schestowitz[TR]	to show off
[09:53]	schestowitz[TR]	"and none of you have heard of ME"
[09:54]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/What-the-Tech-Industry-Has-Learned-from-Linus-Torvalds_-Jim-Zemlin-at-TEDxConcordia-U-Portland.mp4
[09:55]	TR News	The Russia-Ukraine war is only being won by the arms industry (suppliers).
[09:55]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR]: Can you point at a single previously published example of using SSH certificates to sign git commits
[09:55]	TR News	Misinformation https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/14/the-misinformation-campaign-that-killed-chiles-progressive-new-constitution/ | Source: Scheerpost
[09:55]	TR Bot	Misinformation Campaign That Killed Chiles Progressive New Constitution scheerpost.com
[09:55]	schestowitz[TR]	mjg59_: you have become borning
[09:55]	schestowitz[TR]	*boring
[09:55]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR]: So point at such an example
[09:56]	schestowitz[TR]	your post admits you were wrong
[09:56]	schestowitz[TR]	stop projecting
[09:56]	mjg59_	It is true that I was unaware of a thing!
[09:56]	mjg59_	Now point at the evidence that I *should* have been aware of the thing
[09:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=voQ4rfKI4iE
[09:56]	TR Bot	 Justin Timberlake - Mirrors (Lyrics) - Invidious
[09:57]		*schestowitz[TR] clicks
[09:57]	schestowitz[TR]	never heard it
[09:57]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR]: You know, maybe we should just have a live debate some time
[09:58]	mjg59_	The two of us, questions from an impartial party, audience decides who wins
[09:58]	TR News	"Government officials may say acceptable things when pressed for comment by journalists, oversight, and members of the public" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/14/cbp-branch-retweets-disgraced-bigoted-trump-advisor-gets-account-locked-down-by-cbp-commissioner/ | Source: Techdirt
[09:58]	TR Bot	Branch Retweets Disgraced, Bigoted Trump Advisor, Gets Account Locked Down By CBP Commissioner | Techdirt
[09:58]	schestowitz[TR]	Justin Timberlake was in our gym a few times
[09:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	everyone is a winner
[09:58]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR]: Sound like fun to you?
[09:58]	schestowitz[TR]	me, him, his two guards
[09:58]	schestowitz[TR]	I didn't recognise him at first
[09:58]	schestowitz[TR]	they shave and put make-up on them
[09:58]	schestowitz[TR]	pop music... so plastic
[09:59]	mixling	lol
[09:59]	schestowitz[TR]	mjg59_: I don't debate with bullies
[09:59]	schestowitz[TR]	like in 2006 when I went on the radio about OOXML
[09:59]	schestowitz[TR]	and then miguel de icaza called in
[09:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me giggles
[09:59]	schestowitz[TR]	<techrights-news> FLOSS Weekly is compromised. After bringing in Bill Gates minions and Microsoft minions for openwashing they now bring Miguel de Icaza https://twit.tv/shows/floss-weekly/episodes/698 http://techrights.org/wiki/Miguel_de_Icaza#2022
[09:59]	TR Bot	 Miguel de Icaza
[09:59]	TR Bot	 Miguel de Icaza - Techrights
[09:59]	schestowitz[TR]	<techrights-news> FLOSS Weekly calls a man who attacked Linux on behalf of Microsoft a "Linux legend".
● Sep 15
[10:00]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe floss weekly can have you on
[10:00]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR]: What's your definition of a bully?
[10:00]	schestowitz[TR]	"Linux legend"
[10:00]	schestowitz[TR]	Microsoft 'secure' boot
[10:00]	schestowitz[TR]	mjg59_: let's see
[10:00]	schestowitz[TR]	you defamed me
[10:00]	schestowitz[TR]	threatened me
[10:00]	schestowitz[TR]	stalk me in several IRC channels
[10:00]	schestowitz[TR]	se4veral
[10:00]	schestowitz[TR]	looking for dirt on me
[10:00]	mjg59_	When did I defame you?
[10:01]	schestowitz[TR]	many times
[10:01]	mjg59_	Such as?
[10:01]	schestowitz[TR]	breakfast ready, biab
[10:01]	mjg59_	k, I'll wait
[10:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=AGllDHpOGoo
[10:02]		*Redfoxmoon (~Red@freenode-vq3.aj5.jaj210.IP) has joined #techrights
[10:02]	TR Bot	 Tevin Campbell Round & Round (Audio) - Invidious
[10:08]		*schestowitz[TR] back
[10:08]	schestowitz[TR]	with food
[10:08]	schestowitz[TR]	you have your little twitter routine
[10:08]	schestowitz[TR]	you take some horrible accusation
[10:08]	schestowitz[TR]	not related to tech
[10:09]	schestowitz[TR]	and attribute it to your targst
[10:09]	schestowitz[TR]	you did this to RMS and LT
[10:09]	schestowitz[TR]	then you started doing this to me too
[10:09]	schestowitz[TR]	christopher punches says you do this to many people
[10:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=qDc_5zpBj7s
[10:09]	TR Bot	 Meghan Trainor - Lips Are Movin (Official Music Video) - Invidious
[10:09]	schestowitz[TR]	and that michelle gellar does the same
[10:09]	schestowitz[TR]	which I don't know much about
[10:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	buffy?
[10:09]	schestowitz[TR]	buffy lovecruft
[10:10]	schestowitz[TR]	anyway, it is never about tech
[10:10]	schestowitz[TR]	they take on techies
[10:10]	schestowitz[TR]	from non-tech angle
[10:10]	schestowitz[TR]	because they'd lose the techno-ethical argumeent
[10:10]	schestowitz[TR]	so they need another angle
[10:10]	schestowitz[TR]	look what they did to t'so
[10:11]	schestowitz[TR]	to many people tso is like, who the fuck is THIS?"
[10:11]	schestowitz[TR]	he's low-profile
[10:11]	schestowitz[TR]	busy doing ext
[10:11]	schestowitz[TR]	but to some people he's now known not for what he wrotew about bush's war crimes
[10:11]	schestowitz[TR]	but something about factual rape stats
[10:11]	schestowitz[TR]	which were spun as him being thick and cold towards women
[10:11]	schestowitz[TR]	iirc, he brought it up in relation to the war crimes
[10:12]	schestowitz[TR]	but cannot recall what he said as much as the ad hominem
[10:12]	schestowitz[TR]	brought up again when a new LF CoC was erected
[10:12]	schestowitz[TR]	immediately tried to oust him
[10:12]	schestowitz[TR]	using some old mailing list nostalgia
[10:12]	schestowitz[TR]	just comes to prove a point
[10:12]	schestowitz[TR]	of course all this is connected to mjg59_ 
[10:13]	schestowitz[TR]	because you can easily see, out in the open, his liaisons
[10:13]	TR News	"Custer became in death a martyr to the American empire." https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/14/the-chris-hedges-report-nathaniel-philbrick-on-how-george-armstrong-custer-became-a-martyr-used-to-justify-genocide-and-us-imperialism/ | Source: Scheerpost
[10:13]	TR Bot	Chris Hedges Report: Nathaniel Philbrick on How George Armstrong Custer Became a Martyr Used to Justify Genocide and US Imperialism scheerpost.com
[10:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ujnq2v6R02U
[10:13]	TR Bot	 Janet Jackson - Nasty (Official Music Video) - Invidious
[10:13]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR]: So cool, we can debate in a neutral space
[10:13]	schestowitz[TR]	I'm busy
[10:14]	mjg59_	Not too busy to falsely criticise me
[10:14]	TR News	Laser Engraver https://hackaday.com/2022/09/14/mokeylaser-a-diy-laser-engraver-that-you-can-easily-build/ | Source: Hackaday
[10:14]	TR Bot	A DIY Laser Engraver That You Can Easily Build | Hackaday
[10:14]	schestowitz[TR]	you dodged responding to the above
[10:14]	schestowitz[TR]	you found no factual stament there
[10:14]	schestowitz[TR]	to rebut
[10:14]	schestowitz[TR]	so you changed the subject 
[10:14]	schestowitz[TR]	I do videos every day
[10:15]	mjg59_	I didn't see anything to respond to
[10:15]	schestowitz[TR]	setting up dialogues is logistically time-consuming
[10:15]	mjg59_	Ok! Spend the time you'd use making a video about me debating me instead
[10:15]	schestowitz[TR]	I don't fear a debate with youi
[10:15]	schestowitz[TR]	it'd just be a waste of time to set up
[10:15]	mixling	i would rather discuss, why linux kernel locked against C11 creep, and in worst-case i had to rollback almost 20years to linux-2.4 with tcc-toolchain
[10:15]	mjg59_	You don't fear it, you just refuse to
[10:15]	schestowitz[TR]	i still have old recordings of me debating jono bacon
[10:15]	schestowitz[TR]	but it's not for public
[10:16]	schestowitz[TR]	i didn't refuse, I said I was busy
[10:16]	schestowitz[TR]	and it's time-consuming
[10:16]	schestowitz[TR]	my wqorflow is for obs and webcamoid
[10:16]	schestowitz[TR]	no "chat" "apps"
[10:16]	mixling	ouch, almost two decades re-development costs worth a few billions, with linux kernel alone
[10:16]	mjg59_	You're busy making videos criticising people who have no right to eply
[10:16]	mjg59_	(reply)
[10:17]	mjg59_	But you could instead argue against the person you're criticising
[10:17]	TR News	Ukraine war: Accounts of Russian torture emerge in liberated areas - BillBC News https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62888388 Source: BillBC | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62888388
[10:17]	mjg59_	And you refuse to
[10:17]	TR Bot	 Ukraine war: Accounts of Russian torture emerge in liberated areas - BBC News
[10:17]	mjg59_	Hey look I'll even come to the UK
[10:17]	mixling	same with GNU-toolchain... undisputed; what's at stake with it
[10:18]	mjg59_	We can do it in person, appropriately socially distanced
[10:18]	mjg59_	No need to deal with Zoom
[10:18]	mjg59_	Or any other proprietary bullshit
[10:18]	TR News	Triple talaq: India Muslim women in limbo after instant divorce ruling - BillBC News, which is taking bribes from abuser against women, bill gates https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-62805107 Source: BillBC | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-62805107 http://techrights.org/2010/10/24/lots-of-publicity-for-influence/
[10:18]	TR Bot	 Triple talaq: India Muslim women in limbo after instant divorce ruling - BBC News
[10:18]	TR Bot	 Bill Gates Takes Over Schooling Systems With Help From Oprah, NBC, Other Press for Hire | Techrights
[10:18]	mjg59_	Just you and me and an impartial questioner somewhere in Manchester
[10:19]	schestowitz[TR]	I don't want to see you in person
[10:19]	schestowitz[TR]	you are a dodgy person
[10:19]	mjg59_	It's not like we're going to be alone in a room together
[10:19]	schestowitz[TR]	you also trolled Assange
[10:19]	mjg59_	What do you think I'm going to do?
[10:19]	schestowitz[TR]	in his haven
[10:19]	schestowitz[TR]	where he was illegally kisdnapped later
[10:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[10:20]	TR News	Your Mobile is Leaking Location! A-GPS, SUPL, NLP to Google (and Apple) - Cybersecurity https://odysee.com/@RobBraxmanTech:6/location-deep.mp4:9
[10:20]	TR Bot	 Your Mobile is Leaking Location! A-GPS, SUPL, NLP to Google (and Apple) - Cybersecurity
[10:21]	TR News	"instead of a child, he should have seen the fsf as an exosuit" http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-130922.html#tSep%2013%2019:48:23
[10:21]	TR Bot	 IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, September 13, 2022
[10:21]	schestowitz[TR]	mjg59_: you are mean-spirited and manipulative
[10:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Fco8oPGu5EY
[10:21]	TR Bot	 Freda Payne - Band Of Gold (Stereo) - Invidious
[10:21]	TR News	KSA and Liz II https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/queen-elizabeth-saudi-arabia-arrests-man-dedicating-pilgrimage
[10:21]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/queen-elizabeth-saudi-arabia-arrests-man-dedicating-pilgrimage )
[10:23]	TR News	How much does the Famous Criminal bribe NYTimes for these puff pieces? "I spoke with him on Sept. 6. Our conversation has been edited for length and clarity." https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/13/opinion/environment/bill-gates-climate-change-report.html see https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-bill-gates.html
[10:23]	TR Bot	 Opinion | Bill Gates: Were in a Worse Place Than I Expected - The New York Times
[10:23]	TR Bot	 Bill Gates Met With Jeffrey Epstein Many Times, Despite His Past - The New York Times
[10:23]	TR News	NYTimes: Jefffrey Epstein is cool, as long as you pay us to believe that. Bill Gates is a friend now... or... SPONSOR.
[10:24]	TR News	NPR: we're not BillPR http://techrights.org/2022/09/13/npr-kids/
[10:24]	TR Bot	 Why Does NPR, Funded by Bill Gates, Publish Such a Thing This Week? | Techrights
[10:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me has no idea wtf the white girls are doing, but they probably never did it again 
[10:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	its sort of like go-go dancing, but to what song though
[10:25]	TR News	The monarchys secret weapon: insincerity | The Economist https://www.economist.com/britain/2022/09/14/the-monarchys-secret-weapon-insincerity Source: The Economist | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.economist.com/britain/2022/09/14/the-monarchys-secret-weapon-insincerity https://www.irishexaminer.com/world/arid-40809225.html
[10:25]	TR Bot	monarchys secret weapon: insincerity | The Economist
[10:25]	TR Bot	 'Are the British public ultimately paying for Andrew to avoid appearing in court?'
[10:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=51B55OQysj8
[10:25]	TR Bot	 Smokey Robinson & The Miracles - The Tears Of A Clown (Lyric Video) - Invidious
[10:25]	TR News	Twitter is collapsing under its own weight of lies an fraud https://www.wsj.com/articles/twitter-whistleblower-heads-to-congress-ahead-of-shareholder-vote-on-elon-musks-44-billion-takeover-bid-11663061403?mod=e2tw
[10:25]	TR Bot	Investors Back Musks Takeover Bid After Whistleblower Testifies in Congress - WSJ
[10:26]	TR News	"The bloc includes the Sweden Democrats, a far-right party that has campaigned against rising gang [sic] shootings." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62908902
[10:26]	TR Bot	 Magdalena Andersson: Swedish PM resigns as right-wing parties win vote - BBC News
[10:26]	TR News	iophk: TheVerge does not show articles in chronological order.
[10:26]	TR News	TheVerge was quietly absorbed. It'll die soon. It exists not for news but for misinformation.
[10:28]	TR News	The courts, not the pres, should hold Bill Gates accountable for Jeffrey Epstein. At the moment NEITHER is doing that. They take bribes from criminals to enable the crimes.
[10:28]	TR News	Tribes say North Dakota is tampering with mineral royalties - ABC News https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/tribes-north-dakota-tampering-mineral-royalties-89900675 Source: ABC | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/tribes-north-dakota-tampering-mineral-royalties-89900675
[10:28]	TR Bot	 Tribes say North Dakota is tampering with mineral royalties - ABC News
[10:28]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR]: How am I manipulative?
[10:28]	schestowitz[TR]	"are you a terrorist?"
[10:29]	TR News	Microsoft software is built by NSA-serving non-coders who rely on criminals like Bill Gates bribing everyone to spread malware (at the expense of stuff that actually works) https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/microsoft-teams-stores-auth-tokens-as-cleartext-in-windows-linux-macs/
[10:29]	TR Bot	 Microsoft Teams stores auth tokens as cleartext in Windows, Linux, Macs
[10:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=X23v5_K7cXk
[10:30]	TR Bot	 Elton John - Sad Songs (Say So Much) - Invidious
[10:30]	TR News	New in theverge: SPAM as 'articles' https://www.theverge.com/2022/9/14/23353072/detachable-laptop-convertible-tablet-trend-xps-thinkpad monetising the 'brand' as exit strategy?
[10:30]	TR Bot	 The 2-in-1 laptop is dead, long live the detachable - The Verge
[10:31]	TR News	The Verge was willing to expose Bill Gates' crimes. Then it took Gates bribes and fired the staff that did the investigation. http://techrights.org/2020/07/16/gates-press-sunset/
[10:31]	TR Bot	 The Gates Press (GatesGate) Part VI: Sunsetting for Now | Techrights
[10:32]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR]: That doesn't seem like an answer to the question
[10:32]	TR News	Iowa teen who killed alleged rapist sentenced and fined - BillBC News, which covered up child rape by its own STAFF and now does the same for its SPONSORS https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62898366 Source: BBC | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62898366
[10:32]	TR Bot	teen who killed alleged rapist sentenced and fined - BBC News
[10:32]	schestowitz[TR]	you are not in linux kernel anymore
[10:33]	schestowitz[TR]	you are mentally blacklisted
[10:33]	TR News	Spy Stories for Dummies: Trump and the Stolen Secrets | Boing Boing https://boingboing.net/2022/09/14/spy-stories-for-dummies-trump-and-the-stolen-secrets.html Source: BoingBoing | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//boingboing.net/2022/09/14/spy-stories-for-dummies-trump-and-the-stolen-secrets.html
[10:33]	TR Bot	 Spy Stories for Dummies: Trump and the Stolen Secrets | Boing Boing
[10:33]	schestowitz[TR]	you are like "loner"
[10:34]	TR News	Suricata article updated, recycled https://www.tecmint.com/suricata-intrusion-detection-prevention-linux/ | Source: TecMint
[10:34]	TR Bot	 Suricata - Intrusion Detection and Prevention Security Tool
[10:34]	mixling	i'm currently thinking how to fully detangle GNU-toolchain and GNU-buildystem, and retaining a self-hosting system which can bootstrap/cross/compile itself
[10:34]		*CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Leaving)
[10:34]	mixling	for _technical_ reasons, not political ones
[10:34]	TR News	"When you want to have an overview of a file, you can get a good overview just moving down a few pages." https://linuxhandbook.com/move-page-up-down-vim/ | Source: Linux Handbook
[10:34]	TR Bot	 How to Move Up and Down by Page in Vim
[10:34]	mixling	it's two tasks
[10:34]	TR News	 (NEW): Industrial IoT gateway based on Raspberry Pi CM4 supports Ignition Edge http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Industrial_IoT_gateway_based_on_Raspberry_Pi_CM4_supports_Ignit.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Industrial_IoT_gateway_based_on_Raspberry_Pi_CM4_supports_Ignit.gmi 
[10:34]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Industrial IoT gateway based on Raspberry Pi CM4 supports Ignition Edge
[10:34]	mixling	I) detangle remove GNU-buildsystem and GNU-toolchain
[10:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=bEea624OBzM
[10:34]	TR Bot	 Billy Joel - Big Shot (Official Video) - Invidious
[10:35]	mixling	and II) ensure a tcc-toolchain system must remain capable to bootstrap GNU components
[10:35]	schestowitz[TR]	Bill Jeff: small shot
[10:35]	mixling	the latter is accomplished, by bootstrappable.org, however, the former, the detanglement from GNU isn't
[10:35]	highest_cubist_thrills	who mixed this
[10:36]	mixling	i think, the focus on political ideas with GNU, clouded the vision very good reasons exist to detangle
[10:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me checks headphone cable
[10:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	i knew you werent treble when you walked in
[10:36]	schestowitz[TR]	mjg59_: being seen with you is a liability
[10:36]	mixling	and such a detanglement, requires a huge roll-back (gcc47, linux-2.4 worst-case, removal of all c++ dependencies)
[10:36]	TR News	 (NEW): Industrial IoT gateway based on Raspberry Pi CM4 supports Ignition Edge http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Industrial_IoT_gateway_based_on_Raspberry_Pi_CM4_supports_Ignit.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Industrial_IoT_gateway_based_on_Raspberry_Pi_CM4_supports_Ignit.gmi 
[10:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	thanks
[10:37]	schestowitz[TR]	like graveley was to nat friedman
[10:37]	schestowitz[TR]	they did a podcast togethe, you know
[10:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=vNoKguSdy4Y
[10:37]	TR Bot	 Taylor Swift - I Knew You Were Trouble - Invidious
[10:37]	schestowitz[TR]	not that friedman didn 't have many skeletons in his closety too
[10:37]	schestowitz[TR]	I'm keeping material aside for now
[10:37]	schestowitz[TR]	if he resurfaces
[10:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	closety door
[10:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	openty door
[10:37]	TR News	 (NEW): 5 Best Free and Open Source OCR Screen Capture Tools http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/5_Best_Free_and_Open_Source_OCR_Screen_Capture_Tools.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/5_Best_Free_and_Open_Source_OCR_Screen_Capture_Tools.gmi 
[10:37]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines 5 Best Free and Open Source OCR Screen Capture Tools
[10:38]	TR News	 (NEW): Plasma, Gear, Frameworks update in Tumbleweed http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Plasma_Gear_Frameworks_update_in_Tumbleweed.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Plasma_Gear_Frameworks_update_in_Tumbleweed.gmi 
[10:38]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Plasma, Gear, Frameworks update in Tumbleweed
[10:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me swears joel said "okay, for my band, you know little steven?"
[10:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	"give me half a dozen of those"
[10:39]	schestowitz[TR]	appretiser: stephanie friedman (nee schatz) blowing a kiss to the serial strangler  http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Stephanie-and-Balabhadra-Alex-Graveley-kiss.jpg
[10:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	you wouldnt even notice if he joined
[10:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	he needs clarence too
[10:39]	schestowitz[TR]	vote schatz
[10:39]	schestowitz[TR]	the strangled women won't matter
[10:39]	schestowitz[TR]	they're just "property" anyway
[10:39]	schestowitz[TR]	and she blocks the victims
[10:39]	schestowitz[TR]	how classy
[10:40]	schestowitz[TR]	then the LF adds such women to the BOARD
[10:40]	schestowitz[TR]	and sings about how LF loves equality
[10:40]	schestowitz[TR]	billg also loves equality
[10:40]	schestowitz[TR]	girls aged 5 should have access to sex ed just like 15 year olds
[10:40]	schestowitz[TR]	5 is too young to give contraceptiuves to
[10:40]	schestowitz[TR]	but STD is still an issue
[10:41]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/de-icaza-graveley.jpg
[10:41]	schestowitz[TR]	miguel
[10:41]	schestowitz[TR]	the linux rockstar
[10:41]	schestowitz[TR]	FLOSS Weekly calls a man who attacked Linux on behalf of Microsoft a "Linux legend".
[10:41]	schestowitz[TR]	last night:
[10:42]	schestowitz[TR]	<techrights-news> FLOSS Weekly is compromised. After bringing in Bill Gates minions and Microsoft minions for openwashing they now bring Miguel de Icaza https://twit.tv/shows/floss-weekly/episodes/698 http://techrights.org/wiki/Miguel_de_Icaza#2022
[10:42]	TR Bot	 Miguel de Icaza
[10:42]	TR Bot	 Miguel de Icaza - Techrights
[10:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	 but STD is still an issue <- stdin stdout or stderr?
[10:43]	TR News	"You are not the only one asking this seemingly popular question! Several companies are torn between the rise in appeal of open-source databases..." https://ubuntu.com//blog/open-source-databases | Source: Ubuntu
[10:43]	TR Bot	you use open-source databases? | Ubuntu
[10:44]	TR News	"Iron Gate have announced that Valheim is set for crossplay, with an update now available in testing to ensure you can play with friends anywhere." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/valheim-is-getting-crossplay-with-an-update-now-in-testing/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[10:44]	TR Bot	is getting crossplay with an update now in testing | GamingOnLinux
[10:45]	TR News	"Isonzo is the latest in the WW1 FPS series from the creator of Verdun and Tannenberg. It's out now and available with Native GNU/Linux support." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/isonzo-is-a-new-ww1-fps-from-the-dev-of-verdun-out-now/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[10:45]	TR Bot	is a new WW1 FPS from the dev of Verdun out now | GamingOnLinux
[10:45]	schestowitz[TR]	highest_cubist_thrills: let's not go there :-x
[10:45]	schestowitz[TR]	btw, are we still allowed to call sockets male and female?
[10:45]	schestowitz[TR]	or is that too offensive?
[10:45]	schestowitz[TR]	or sexual
[10:45]	schestowitz[TR]	or excluding
[10:45]	schestowitz[TR]	to genderphobes
[10:46]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR]: What sort of liability?
[10:46]	schestowitz[TR]	in the old says you said "female"
[10:46]	schestowitz[TR]	people know what they means
[10:46]	schestowitz[TR]	like boltt sna nuts
[10:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	male and female sockets are fine, as long as you use their preferred pronouns
[10:46]	schestowitz[TR]	now because of P-C you cannot use trivial terminology
[10:46]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe next they will remove bathroom sighns too
[10:46]	techuser	certain people say LGBT is intentionally promoted to reduce reproduction
[10:46]	schestowitz[TR]	saying that women's toilet offend
[10:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	unisex bathrooms are better
[10:46]	schestowitz[TR]	because they show figurehead ina  ddres
[10:46]	schestowitz[TR]	and dresses are not for women
[10:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	youre leaning heavily on a straw man, woman, here
[10:47]	schestowitz[TR]	highest_cubist_thrills: yes
[10:47]	techuser	no idea about bathrooms at all
[10:47]	schestowitz[TR]	rianne and I talked aboiut this last night because of whitworth gallery
[10:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	gender constructivism isnt rocket science
[10:47]	schestowitz[TR]	it's part of man university
[10:47]	schestowitz[TR]	they solved the issue
[10:47]	schestowitz[TR]	no gendered bathroom stalls
[10:47]	schestowitz[TR]	just one giant facility
[10:47]	schestowitz[TR]	you take a stall
[10:47]	schestowitz[TR]	but some religiopns would find it offensive
[10:48]	schestowitz[TR]	usually religions where rape is more commonplace
[10:48]	schestowitz[TR]	so they need to segregate sexes
[10:48]	schestowitz[TR]	and cover the humans with giant garments
[10:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	im not worried about offending religious people, just letting atheists tell everyone what to think
[10:48]	techuser	need to make sexual harassment a crime
[10:48]	techuser	any kind of sexual harassment
[10:48]	schestowitz[TR]	<highest_cubist_thrills> male and female sockets are fine, as long as you use their preferred pronouns
[10:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	yes, make thinking a crime
[10:48]	techuser	"I want to have sex with you" - "go to jail!"
[10:48]	schestowitz[TR]	electric shops don't havem labels on them
[10:49]	schestowitz[TR]	so I don't know if the nail is malke
[10:49]	schestowitz[TR]	*male
[10:49]	techuser	sex is not thinking
[10:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	what does ariadne actually do with you?
[10:49]	techuser	sex is often about attacking other individual
[10:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	i mean how does she cope
[10:49]	techuser	often the consent is fake
[10:49]	techuser	in some cases there is no consent at all
[10:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	<techuser> often the consent is fake <- you definitely need to talk to someone
[10:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	idk who
[10:50]	techuser	I do talk to IRC users
[10:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	yeah, thats obviously not helping
[10:50]	schestowitz[TR]	techuser: go to jail is extreme
[10:50]	schestowitz[TR]	there are punishments other than jail
[10:50]	schestowitz[TR]	sometimes they are being lectured to
[10:50]	schestowitz[TR]	or told off by friends
[10:51]	techuser	but anyway I think sexual harassment needs to be criminalized in some way
[10:51]	schestowitz[TR]	it already is
[10:51]	schestowitz[TR]	but the definitions vary 
[10:51]	schestowitz[TR]	and, to make matters worse
[10:51]	schestowitz[TR]	as above
[10:51]	techuser	so that people don't try to find weird ways to make a person have sex with them
[10:51]	schestowitz[TR]	religions vary
[10:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	they should make crimes illegal
[10:51]	schestowitz[TR]	cultures vary
[10:51]	schestowitz[TR]	and countries have manu cultures
[10:51]	schestowitz[TR]	even russia
[10:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	<techuser> so that people don't try to find weird ways to make a person have sex with them <- i hope singing is still okay
[10:52]	techuser	crimes are, by definition
[10:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	singing while standing on your head is weird though
[10:52]	schestowitz[TR]	techuser: crime is a man-made concept
[10:52]	schestowitz[TR]	like money
[10:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	crimes are, by definition <- until all laws are zero-tolerance laws there will always be exceptions
[10:53]	techuser	singing is ok. Singing NSFW songs directed to a certain person is probably not.
[10:53]	TR News	"For anyone who considers themselves even a remote fan of text-adventures, you should definitely take a look at Roadwarden." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/roadwarden-one-of-the-best-modern-text-adventures-around-is-out-now/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[10:53]	TR Bot	one of the best modern text-adventures around is out now | GamingOnLinux
[10:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me takes britney spears off the list of songs he can sing
[10:53]	TR News	"This is a bit of a double event. Not only has the Heroes of Might and Magic II game engine fheroes2 seen a new release" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/heroes-of-might-and-magic-ii-a-iii-open-source-game-engines-get-new-releases/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[10:53]	TR Bot	of Might and Magic II & III open source game engines get new releases | GamingOnLinux
[10:53]	mixling	techuser: NSFW?
[10:53]	techuser	not safe for work
[10:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	but if theyre not sung to certain people its okay
[10:54]	techuser	generally meaning something sexual
[10:54]	TR News	"The Wandering Village from Stray Fawn Studio, a game about building a village on the back of a massive moving creature has just entered Early Access with Native Linux support." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/the-wandering-village-is-absolutely-mesmerizing/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[10:54]	TR Bot	Wandering Village is absolutely mesmerizing | GamingOnLinux
[10:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me takes most of the top 40 off the list then
[10:54]	schestowitz[TR]	techuser: not always secual
[10:54]	schestowitz[TR]	can be violence too
[10:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	louie louie better go just to be sure
[10:54]	techuser	live performances are ok
[10:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	<schestowitz[TR]> can be violence too <- no more metallica, got it
[10:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	better just stay away from music altogether
[10:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	it could lead to dancing
[10:55]	schestowitz[TR]	never liked metallica
[10:55]	schestowitz[TR]	many people do like that
[10:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	they used to be better
[10:55]	schestowitz[TR]	so they must be pressing some right buttons
[10:56]	techuser	I know GG Allin did do weird live performances however
[10:56]	schestowitz[TR]	highest_cubist_thrills: and dancing leads to
[10:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	paties
[10:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	parties
[10:56]	techuser	temporary parties
[10:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	and parties have destroyed politics
[10:56]	techuser	dance while the live performance lasts
[10:56]	techuser	then disappear
[10:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	and politics leads to corruption
[10:57]	schestowitz[TR]	highest_cubist_thrills: both political parties
[10:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	and corruption leads to bribery
[10:57]	schestowitz[TR]	and party parties
[10:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	which leads to prostitution
[10:57]	schestowitz[TR]	finland, uk..
[10:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	which leans to teenage pregnancy
[10:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	which leads to destitution
[10:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	which leads to techrights
[10:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	heh heh
[10:57]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/sweden-dancing-illegal-spontaneous-law-a7905531.html
[10:57]	TR Bot	 Spontaneous dancing still illegal in Sweden | The Independent | The Independent
[10:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	and we certainly cant have that
[10:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	also fate leads to fear and thats the path to the dark side
[10:58]	TR News	 (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Android_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Android_Leftovers.gmi 
[10:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	but that leads to cookies
[10:58]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Android Leftovers
[10:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	so its a mixed bag
[10:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	hate
[10:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	but perhaps its meant to be
[10:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=CRfy1yorkec
[10:59]	TR Bot	 Chicago - You're the Inspiration (Official Music Video) - Invidious
[10:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 8.06 k/sec., IPFS upstream 59.61 average k/sec., average swarm size 104.11
[10:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont know if this is sfw or not
[10:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	its chicago, and according to dfc theyre pretty corrupt
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[11:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	also noogies may qualify as harassment, but im pretty sure all noogies in the video are legal ones
[11:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	bill murray is well known for them
[11:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	peter cetera looks exactly like ellen in this video
[11:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	but not from the side
[11:01]	schestowitz[TR]	lol
[11:01]	schestowitz[TR]	I  always found his name funny
[11:01]	schestowitz[TR]	ellen cetera
[11:01]	schestowitz[TR]	e. t. cetera
[11:02]	schestowitz[TR]	Chicago: [brand names], and e. t. cetera
[11:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	yeah i guess his name is latin
[11:02]	schestowitz[TR]	I went though videos of his months ago
[11:03]	TR News	Android/Linux https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/15/realtek-rtd1319d-stb-processor-4k-h266-av1-video-decoding/
[11:03]	TR Bot	 Realtek RTD1319D STB processor supports 4K H.266 and AV1 video decoding - CNX Software
[11:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	the simon cowell version is better
[11:04]	TR News	 (NEW): Games: Valheim, Isonzo, Roadwarden, Heroes of Might and Magic, The Wandering Village http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Games_Valheim_Isonzo_Roadwarden_Heroes_of_Might_and_Magic_The_W.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Games_Valheim_Isonzo_Roadwarden_Heroes_of_Might_and_Magic_The_W.gmi 
[11:04]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Games: Valheim, Isonzo, Roadwarden, Heroes of Might and Magic, The Wandering Village
[11:05]	schestowitz[TR]	cowell cannot sing
[11:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	he has people to do that for him
[11:05]	schestowitz[TR]	he just barks at people
[11:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	his bark is worse than his bite
[11:06]	schestowitz[TR]	insulting people and shettering their confidence
[11:06]	schestowitz[TR]	that's how narcissists act
[11:06]	schestowitz[TR]	and he cannot sing!
[11:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	honestly that whole franchise is a terrible scam
[11:06]	schestowitz[TR]	unlike burt cacharach, he's not humble
[11:06]	schestowitz[TR]	*bach
[11:06]	mixling	you know what, i can't comprehend
[11:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	burt bacharach is awesome
[11:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	if you dont like burt bacharach you have no soul
[11:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	hes sfw but he shouldnt be
[11:07]	mixling	highly decorated FSF and GNU are in this channel, to discuss _important_ relevant topics
[11:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	because he definitely leads to dancing
[11:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	and that leads to the dark side
[11:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	which leads to cookies
[11:07]	mixling	and instead, precious time and brain-power is wasted by schestowitz[TR] and his affiliates
[11:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	and cookies lead to supercookies
[11:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	which lead to google
[11:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	and finally the w3c destroys irc
[11:08]	schestowitz[TR]	herr sixel, how iz ze machine coming along?
[11:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	increase the reactor three more doritos!
[11:08]	schestowitz[TR]	css for irc
[11:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	you joke now
[11:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	but thats basically how discord started
[11:09]	mixling	i haven't got the slightest clue, why any mentally healthy person concerned with technical and political topics would remain in this channel
[11:09]	schestowitz[TR]	msg:after{backgroung: ponies.png;}
[11:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	it could happen again
[11:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	"it couldnt happen here"
[11:09]	mixling	schestowitz[TR]: is your idea to scare away component developers?
[11:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	"it already did!"
[11:09]	techuser	mixling: at least some news get relayed and discussed
[11:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	at least eric s rambo will get to fire all of his guns at once and explode into space
[11:10]		*schestowitz[TR] uploads emoji sets to the ircs server
[11:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	like a true natures child
[11:10]	schestowitz[TR]	*ircd
[11:10]	mixling	and i mean, it's just, to have a coffee in the morning, say hello to peole, doing this and that
[11:10]	schestowitz[TR]	highest_cubist_thrills: in a space elevator... with craig f*ing mundie
[11:11]	mixling	instead schestowitz[TR] and company flood the channel with nonsense
[11:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	 uploads emoji sets to the ircs server <- https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ZWphqA1Slrw
[11:11]	TR Bot	 You maniacs! - Invidious
[11:11]	schestowitz[TR]	mixling: you got banned from other channel;s/networks
[11:12]	schestowitz[TR]	now you moan about non-boutique stuff
[11:12]	schestowitz[TR]	like moving back to sixels
[11:12]	schestowitz[TR]	because "rand corporation"
[11:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	thomas watson, now there was a coder!
[11:13]	schestowitz[TR]	i am not sure you are even a component developer
[11:13]	schestowitz[TR]	you play lego
[11:13]	schestowitz[TR]	with pieces from thr 80s
[11:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	he could send "war and peace" over tty in less than an afternoon!
[11:13]	schestowitz[TR]	I can give you my 80s lego pieces
[11:13]	schestowitz[TR]	I had planet
[11:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	in two languages!
[11:13]	schestowitz[TR]	you can stiock them together
[11:13]	schestowitz[TR]	and see if you can still run suckless ii for irc
[11:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	(country AND western)
[11:13]	mixling	schestowitz[TR]: yes
[11:13]	schestowitz[TR]	and pretend it's "aud deutschland"
[11:13]	schestowitz[TR]	I had playmobil too
[11:14]	schestowitz[TR]	grandma used to buy me these
[11:14]	schestowitz[TR]	*auf
[11:14]	schestowitz[TR]	auf helvetica 
[11:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	i was afraid of playmobil
[11:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	i had just read gullivers travels
[11:14]	mixling	schestowitz[TR]: you are the worst most epic ever troll on the planet
[11:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	i didnt trust those little fucks
[11:15]	mixling	sometimes, i don't know, if this is supposed to be a joke
[11:15]	schestowitz[TR]	gullivers is scary to kids
[11:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	auf helvetica <- der master font!
[11:15]	schestowitz[TR]	we had that on the TV in a ferry travel years ago
[11:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	i got into my parents sewing kit
[11:15]	schestowitz[TR]	made me very nauseous, I should have looked away
[11:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	and threw away all their thread
[11:15]	schestowitz[TR]	they make modern (read: special effects) versions of gullivers tales
[11:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	then i showed the little playmobil people
[11:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	"ha, try it now, fuckers!"
[11:16]	schestowitz[TR]	highest_cubist_thrills: swiss still put that on postage stamps
[11:16]	schestowitz[TR]	like allemania and holland
[11:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	the swiss claim to have invented cheese
[11:16]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe orban will put some empire-lrelated thing on their coins
[11:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	but their story is full of holes
[11:16]	schestowitz[TR]	if hungary will have any coins left
[11:16]	schestowitz[TR]	he sends them all to putin
[11:17]	schestowitz[TR]	hungary used to occupy crystalmath's country
[11:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	yeah but they got tired of listening to him and left
[11:17]	schestowitz[TR]	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helvetic_Republic
[11:17]	TR Bot	 Helvetic Republic - Wikipedia
[11:18]	schestowitz[TR]	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland_in_the_Roman_era
[11:18]	TR Bot	 Switzerland in the Roman era - Wikipedia
[11:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helvetic_Republic <- thank got it collapsed
[11:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	even roman sans was better
[11:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	pax comica
[11:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	and my default font, lorem ipsum
[11:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[11:21]	mixling	anyway, that's why the GNU-toolchain and GNU-buildystem detanglement are important:
[11:21]	mixling	because, if GNU was subverted and attacked itself (and to wherever it attached), without an alternative, free software is gone
[11:22]	TR News	Fedora vs. Ubuntu - 2022 Edition - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=De0wWhBNbKo | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/De0wWhBNbKo
[11:22]	TR Bot	 Fedora vs. Ubuntu - 2022 Edition - Invidious
[11:22]	TR News	"To our surprise, Apple gave developers a treat this week and continues to search for the ultimate productivity hack." https://feed.jupiter.zone/allshows#entry-8812
[11:23]	mixling	i think, bootstrappable/guix devs for example, focus on GNU bootstrapping, with the assumption it was GNU who protected their freedoms
[11:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=YlLKG_8sHF8
[11:23]	TR Bot	 phoenix - lisztomania - brat pack remix (original) - Invidious
[11:23]	mixling	yesterday, i followed a chat, when some tiniest early bootstrapping code snipped written in ASM, final binary size 2KiB, requires llvm-assembler (of dozens of millions of LoC)
[11:24]	TR News	The worlds going electric https://www.qt.io/blog/the-worlds-going-electric-are-you-ready-to-make-a-buzz Source: Qt | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.qt.io/blog/the-worlds-going-electric-are-you-ready-to-make-a-buzz
[11:24]	TR Bot	 The worlds going electricare you ready to make a buzz?
[11:24]	mixling	and such bootstrapping paths without an alternative remain undisputed among GNU?
[11:24]	mixling	furthermore, i wouldn't object to GNU-toolchain/buildsystem and linux kernel locking against giant c++-toolchains, IF
[11:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me bets starstreak looks like ally sheedy
[11:25]	mixling	and ONLY IF, any kernel-version and toolchain remained without such dependencies
[11:25]	TR News	logs Main mbox tmp2 "This tutorial explains how to execute DDOS (Distributed Denial of Service) attacks using the hping3 tool." https://linuxhint.com/hping3/
[11:25]	TR Bot	 DOS Flood With hping3
[11:25]	mixling	meanwhile GNU/FSF/BSD whoever celebrate their progress and aniversaries and decorate each other with awards and cash
[11:26]	mixling	when not at least some clean bootstrapping of free software with any kernel and toolchain remained
[11:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	i mean not NOW, shes about 60
[11:27]	mixling	i noticed too, some pride, the bootstrapping path _forward_ to GCC-10 or whatever was verified
[11:27]	TR News	"Joel has sad news." Episode out. #1000 coming next year? http://www.tllts.org/
[11:27]	TR Bot	 The LinuxLink TechShow
[11:27]	mixling	when instead, the bootstrapping path _backwards_ is, as far as i can tell, let's say incomplete to remain polite
[11:28]	schestowitz[TR]	mixling: do you code these?
[11:28]	schestowitz[TR]	or just sticking together old items?
[11:28]	schestowitz[TR]	integrator
[11:28]	schestowitz[TR]	packager
[11:28]	schestowitz[TR]	"maintainer"
[11:28]	schestowitz[TR]	seems you play lego
[11:28]	schestowitz[TR]	and complain about old versions off lego not being old enough
[11:28]	schestowitz[TR]	lego is german btw
[11:28]	schestowitz[TR]	germany owns denmark
[11:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	its probably on github
[11:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	denmark i mean
[11:29]	schestowitz[TR]	danish people just cannnot relate to that
[11:29]	schestowitz[TR]	lego?
[11:29]	mixling	schestowitz[TR]: let me say, a kernel-patch to remove C11 clutter is anything but trivial nor "sticking together old items"
[11:29]		*psydruid wants to become a Lego integrator when he grows up
[11:29]	schestowitz[TR]	not sure github
[11:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	denmark
[11:29]	schestowitz[TR]	I'd have noticed
[11:29]	schestowitz[TR]	they did some "open" things
[11:29]	schestowitz[TR]	but didn't see github mentioned
[11:29]	schestowitz[TR]	lego is very proprietary
[11:29]	schestowitz[TR]	with "IP"
[11:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	httpss://github.com/eu/denmark
[11:30]	schestowitz[TR]	and they are aggressive in enfroceing "IP"
[11:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	oops, ss
[11:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me blames herr doktor
[11:30]	schestowitz[TR]	Liz Trump
[11:30]	schestowitz[TR]	or as I call her
[11:30]	schestowitz[TR]	in html
[11:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	the fuhrer wants le certificates
[11:30]	schestowitz[TR]	Tru<stike>SS</strike>mp
[11:31]	schestowitz[TR]	he was a greta painter
[11:31]	schestowitz[TR]	*great
[11:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me generates with dehomag
[11:31]	schestowitz[TR]	he could paint greta's coffin
[11:31]	schestowitz[TR]	to own the libs
[11:32]	schestowitz[TR]	ever noticed how part of the right wing religion is rejection of climate science
[11:32]	schestowitz[TR]	science is soo.... liberal!
[11:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	i wish fixing climate change was that easy
[11:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	"its fine!"
[11:32]	psydruid	the fhrer was a great integrator too
[11:32]	schestowitz[TR]	we need fewer people, but nobody wants to say that
[11:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	yes the camps were very inclusive
[11:32]	schestowitz[TR]	too busy forcing women to get pregnant and deliver
[11:32]	schestowitz[TR]	so that they lose their freedom
[11:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	people from every race and religion
[11:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	lots of men and women, even homosexuals
[11:33]	schestowitz[TR]	frau
[11:34]	mixling	schestowitz[TR]: i got 300 ebuilds in my overlay, yes
[11:34]	mixling	i mean
[11:34]	TR News	Tiger Lake-UP3 processor https://linuxgizmos.com/de-next-tgu8-sbc-features-tiger-lake-up3-processor-and-dual-lan-ports/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
[11:34]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/de-next-tgu8-sbc-features-tiger-lake-up3-processor-and-dual-lan-ports/ )
[11:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	<schestowitz[TR]> we need fewer people, but nobody wants to say that <- only because they want to try other shit first
[11:34]	schestowitz[TR]	yes, building is easy
[11:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	and the way things are now, who is going to decide who to have fewer of
[11:34]	schestowitz[TR]	you already have the meta in place
[11:35]	schestowitz[TR]	highest_cubist_thrills: that's why nobody want to talk about it, at least not openly
[11:35]	highest_cubist_thrills	granted im not convinced the earth can sustain 8 billion people either
[11:35]	highest_cubist_thrills	but what are you going to do about it
[11:35]	schestowitz[TR]	too late
[11:35]	schestowitz[TR]	live and let live
[11:35]	schestowitz[TR]	die
[11:35]	schestowitz[TR]	make a pledge
[11:35]	mixling	anyway, the recent conclusion with GNU software and linux kernel: there is no way forwad to proceed anymore
[11:36]	schestowitz[TR]	something carbon before [year when you are dead]
[11:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=e7aGAIWe3uE
[11:36]	mixling	i spare you the technical details, it's technical, not political
[11:36]	TR Bot	 live and let die- paul mccartney - Invidious
[11:36]	schestowitz[TR]	mixling: that's how software evolves
[11:36]	schestowitz[TR]	they remove the ladder from below them
[11:36]	schestowitz[TR]	like compatibility
[11:36]	schestowitz[TR]	wordpress is like this
[11:36]	mixling	schestowitz[TR]: that's how free software worth dozens of billions of shitcoin died in the last decade
[11:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	so is the internet archive
[11:37]	mixling	even worse, while a forward-strategy is fully blocked already, not feasible anymore
[11:37]	TR News	"OnLogics IGN800 is a fanless industrial-grade Edge Gateway powered by the Raspberry Pi CM4 and pre-loaded with Ignition Edge software" https://linuxgizmos.com/industrial-iot-gateway-based-on-raspberry-pi-cm4/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
[11:37]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/industrial-iot-gateway-based-on-raspberry-pi-cm4/ )
[11:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	the fucking question mark from hell has made its way from wordpress to the archive
[11:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont know how, or why or who
[11:37]	mixling	TOO, any ROLL-BACK, if necessary to linux-2.4 or earlier, is very difficult
[11:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	but its a bad omen
[11:37]	mixling	and blocked by hardware-options available
[11:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	whoever added that should get a bullet
[11:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	right in their lower right corner
[11:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	and scrolling up and down wont save them
[11:38]	schestowitz[TR]	highest_cubist_thrills: some people will backport securiity patches for old wordpress
[11:38]	mixling	so, what you got only, is MICROS~1 IBM Wintel Pentagon RAND Corp malware labeled as "free software" and subsidized with billions of shitcoins
[11:38]	schestowitz[TR]	earlier this month automattic announced they would no longer offer security patches for old versions
[11:38]	schestowitz[TR]	people will do it their own way
[11:39]	schestowitz[TR]	if there is a critical issue
[11:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	security patches: no
[11:39]	schestowitz[TR]	anyway, techrights will move more to static page generator
[11:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	stupidity patches: if it makes wordpress worse, then yes
[11:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	even our old versions will suck more!
[11:39]	mixling	and surprisingly, instead of relying on GNU, it is necessary to detangle from GNU-toolchain/buildsystem and recent linux kernel version
[11:39]	mixling	tadaa... discuss.
[11:39]	schestowitz[TR]	in some businesses it will be against the ruikes to run old press
[11:39]	schestowitz[TR]	for compliance reasons
[11:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	you cannot kill that which is already dead!
[11:39]	schestowitz[TR]	even if you dcan still patch
[11:40]	schestowitz[TR]	highest_cubist_thrills: some people try to kill the grandkids
[11:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me hits wordpress with a shovel
[11:40]	schestowitz[TR]	like stalin's
[11:41]	mixling	i would remain calm, about this, and the following of GNU/FSF whoever, if they wanted to proceed with their current share-holders, however they wished to
[11:41]	schestowitz[TR]	https://yewtu.be/vi/orywozdlS8s/mqdefault.jpg
[11:41]	mixling	IF, and ONLY IF, a stable and long-term reliable free software system remained
[11:41]	schestowitz[TR]	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=orywozdlS8s
[11:41]	TR Bot	 Never Hit Your Grandma With A Shovel (Use An Ax Instead) - Invidious
[11:41]	mixling	and surprise, there isn't none
[11:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	stalin for time
[11:43]	TR News	"And a pile of several bound copies of Best of a decade on Opensource.com 2010-2019. Our last yearbook that was published (and printed)!" https://opensource.com/article/22/9/opensource-yearbook-2022 | Source: OpenSource.com
[11:43]	TR Bot	of our favorite articles in a downloadable eBook | Opensource.com
[11:43]	TR News	"DDEV is an open source tool that makes it simple to get local PHP development environments up and running within minutes." https://opensource.com/article/22/9/docker-desktop-colima | Source: OpenSource.com
[11:43]	TR Bot	I switched from Docker Desktop to Colima | Opensource.com
[11:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=XJylcQ7CGfI
[11:43]	mixling	and, this the other argument of mine: to re-cover and salvage at least a bare minimum of free software, it's not a strategy to roll-forward, free software salvage requires a ROLL-BACK
[11:43]	TR Bot	 Rod Stewart - Reason To Believe - Invidious
[11:44]	mixling	some examples: gcc47, 10years ROLL-BACK, perl-5.8, almost 20years ROLL-BACK, linux-2.4(not sure about this one yet) almost 20years ROLL-BACK
[11:44]	mixling	there isn't any sweet-spot to pick up anything newer than year 2013
[11:45]	mixling	furthermore, if free/open hardware was verified, a ROLL-BACK strategy had to be even more aggressive
[11:45]	mixling	i arrived at late 1960s tech last time i back-tracked this
[11:46]	mixling	the "free software" argument in this context, is only one acceptance criteria
[11:46]	TR News	2 Ways to Capture Website Screenshots from the Command-line on Linux - TREND OCEANS https://trendoceans.com/capture-website-screenshot-from-terminal/ Source: Trend Oceans | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//trendoceans.com/capture-website-screenshot-from-terminal/
[11:46]	TR Bot	 2 Ways to Capture Website Screenshots from the Command-line on Linux - TREND OCEANS
[11:47]		*psydruid rolls back his boundaries to prehistory and makes caves great again
[11:47]	mixling	schestowitz[TR]: and somehow, i think, this is what you deserve, none to be had no more, free software
[11:47]	mixling	psydruid: you too, you are nasty too
[11:47]	schestowitz[TR]	everyone is nasty
[11:47]	schestowitz[TR]	except you
[11:47]	mixling	yes
[11:48]	schestowitz[TR]	wanting to kick out millions
[11:48]	schestowitz[TR]	from your "homeland"
[11:48]	psydruid	mixling, thank you, my integrator
[11:48]	schestowitz[TR]	how very kind of you
[11:48]	mixling	schestowitz[TR]: i want to kick out war-criminals
[11:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ZwwotBh7n8Q
[11:48]	TR Bot	 Enya - Smaointe - Invidious
[11:48]	mixling	and yes, it's many, too many
[11:48]	psydruid	100 million nasty people floating 99 million luftballons
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[11:50]	psydruid	Germany only for the germs!
[11:51]	mixling	just as said, psydruid is evil
[11:51]	mixling	schestowitz[TR]: you too are
[11:52]	psydruid	"do be evil" is the motto of this server after all
[11:52]	psydruid	and we integrate it into our daily lives like a piece of lego
[11:53]	mixling	meanwhile, someone pointed me to some problem with Gigatron TTL
[11:54]	mixling	which is, it contains some Attiny85 IC, which seems to be an undocumented/closed-source chip
[11:55]	mixling	for the Pluggy Mc Plugface PS2/VGA terminator
[11:55]	mixling	i don't accept this, if Gigatron TTL contains undocumented/closed-source ICs
[11:55]	mixling	i won't buy this
[11:56]	schestowitz[TR]	is it made by war  criminals?
[11:56]	mixling	schestowitz[TR]: who is manufacturing the ATtiny85?
[11:56]	schestowitz[TR]	probably china
[11:56]	mixling	oh... ATMel
[11:57]	schestowitz[TR]	most of the electronics you use are chinese
[11:57]	schestowitz[TR]	germany does heavy industries
[11:57]	schestowitz[TR]	hardly electronics anymore
[11:57]	mixling	ATmega was/is Norwegian, acquired by Microchip recently
[11:58]	mixling	Microchip is USA - Satan
[11:58]	schestowitz[TR]	Russia - angel?
[11:58]	schestowitz[TR]	Angel Kerkel?
[11:58]	psydruid	Russia - God
[11:58]	schestowitz[TR]	Gute
[11:58]	mixling	no clue, to my knowledge Russian/Soviet semiconductors are mostly defunct since 1990
[11:58]	schestowitz[TR]	Gute Fahrt
[11:59]	mixling	USA monopolized the entire industry
[11:59]	mixling	by anti-competitive acts of sabotage against anyone else
● Sep 15
[12:00]	TR News	39 trillion assets https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/14/even-these-capitalists-controlling-39-trillion-assets-know-fossil-fuel-era-must-end | Source: Common Dreams
[12:00]	TR Bot	 Even These Capitalists Controlling $39 Trillion in Assets Know Fossil Fuel Era Must End
[12:00]	mixling	btw. the Gigatron TTL, thats mainly Apollo Mission era computing stuff
[12:00]	schestowitz[TR]	mixling: do you always blame "USA" for your misfortune?
[12:00]	schestowitz[TR]	DT is not American
[12:00]	mixling	that's how far, to ROLL-BACK, and even this, is insufficient
[12:01]	schestowitz[TR]	usa dominated computing for longer than 1960s
[12:01]	schestowitz[TR]	sorry to tell you this
[12:01]	schestowitz[TR]	you'd break down in tears
[12:01]	mixling	schestowitz[TR]: they looted and plundered and sabotaged
[12:02]	mixling	"operation paperclip"
[12:02]	mixling	IBM patented the Zuse computer
[12:02]	mixling	that's German, not USA
[12:02]	mixling	Oberon system, is swiss, not USA
[12:03]	schestowitz[TR]	nazis destroyed europe
[12:03]	schestowitz[TR]	and then USA got streonger
[12:03]	schestowitz[TR]	and in the second half of 20th century many firsts waere USA
[12:03]	schestowitz[TR]	soviets were a near second
[12:04]	schestowitz[TR]	you moan about thius
[12:04]	schestowitz[TR]	like germany did n't have it coming
[12:04]	schestowitz[TR]	like, after sinking american ships
[12:04]	schestowitz[TR]	and then brought the UK and USA closer together
[12:04]	schestowitz[TR]	after centuries of animosity following the declaration of independence
[12:04]	schestowitz[TR]	and rejection of the crown
[12:05]	mixling	i don't reject the "Monarchy" of yours who ignited WW1, i reject it holding any authority over me
[12:08]	mixling	same with BillG, who may do whatever he wishes, in USA
[12:08]	mixling	anyway, nowadays, with all this free software, i haven't got a web-browser anymore, passing minimum acceptance criteria
[12:08]	mixling	to navigate online job portals, and online banking
[12:11]	schestowitz[TR]	www is broken. started in switerland, bya a  brit. you live in a  world of delusions. a lot of the world's terc is only designed and patented in usa, not even assembled. All the rest is done in sweatshops/slaveshops in china and nearby countries.
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[12:11]	mixling	anyway, this is important, free-software can only be saved by a ROLL-BACK, not any progress nor innovation of the last decade or two
[12:11]	schestowitz[TR]	it works to the benefit of few businesspeople
[12:11]	schestowitz[TR]	not for americans
[12:11]	schestowitz[TR]	not for chinese
[12:11]	schestowitz[TR]	not for germsns
[12:11]	mixling	schestowitz[TR]: yes, www is f*** beyond repair nowadays
[12:11]	schestowitz[TR]	except few german businessmen
[12:11]	schestowitz[TR]	like the ones sending me threatening letter this week
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[12:12]	mixling	threatening letters?
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[12:12]	schestowitz[TR]	www started as language to render pages
[12:12]	schestowitz[TR]	now www is a VM
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[12:13]	mixling	schestowitz[TR]: threatening letters?
[12:13]	TR News	new in gemini: Debord's Society of the Spectacle gemini://republic.circumlunar.space/users/flexibeast/gemlog/2022-09-15.gmi
[12:14]	TR News	"During the Schumacher years you knew who was going to win, and it was impressive, but you watched to see if anyone could beat him. This year has become like that with Verstappen." gemini://freeshell.de/f1/2022-09-15_Guess_who_won_again.gmi
[12:15]	schestowitz[TR]	4 letters from a copyright nazi
[12:15]	schestowitz[TR]	I can handle them, he clearly distorts the meaning of the law
[12:15]	schestowitz[TR]	but it's about being a nuisance
[12:16]	mixling	did you violate any copyright?
[12:16]	TR News	Gulag https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/14/legacy-news-orgs-hatred-of-google-runs-so-deep-theyre-willing-to-give-up-fair-use-to-punish-google/ | Source: Techdirt
[12:16]	TR Bot	News Orgs Hatred Of Google Runs So Deep Theyre Willing To Give Up Fair Use To Punish Google | Techdirt
[12:17]	TR News	RPG https://hackaday.com/2022/09/14/2022-cyberdeck-contest-rpg-character-tracker/ | Source: Hackaday
[12:17]	TR Bot	Cyberdeck Contest: RPG Character Tracker | Hackaday
[12:17]	schestowitz[TR]	MinceR: no, fair use
[12:17]	schestowitz[TR]	meme
[12:17]	schestowitz[TR]	mixling: ^
[12:18]	TR News	"The iPod Nano was one of Apples masterworks, but its really tied down by its dependence on wired headphones" https://hackaday.com/2022/09/14/esp32-adds-bluetooth-to-an-ipod-nano/ | Source: Hackaday
[12:18]	TR Bot	Adds Bluetooth To An IPod Nano | Hackaday
[12:19]	schestowitz[TR]	i was thinking... modus operandi for copyriogt troll
[12:19]	schestowitz[TR]	upload to a meme site a phhotograph
[12:19]	schestowitz[TR]	that you claim to have "rights" for
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[12:19]	schestowitz[TR]	then chase people use use that site to make a meme with the photograph you uploaded
[12:19]	schestowitz[TR]	if that can be proven, you should be disbarred
[12:19]	schestowitz[TR]	seems like copyright law became a farce
[12:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[12:20]	TR News	CPU Modules https://hackaday.com/2022/09/14/future-brings-cpu-modules-and-the-future-is-now/ | Source: Hackaday
[12:20]	TR Bot	Brings CPU Modules, And The Future Is Now | Hackaday
[12:21]	TR News	Disinformation for profit https://www.desmog.com/2022/09/14/house-committee-pr-climate-disinformation/ | Source: DeSmog
[12:21]	TR Bot	Committee Investigates the Role of PR Firms in Spreading Climate Disinformation - DeSmog
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[12:21]	TR News	Assange latest https://dontextraditeassange.com/events/free-assange-human-chain-oct-8/ | Source: Don't Extradite Assange
[12:21]	TR Bot	 Free Assange Human Chain Oct 8 - Don't Extradite Assange
[12:23]	TR News	Digital Soldiers https://www.thenation.com/article/culture/online-conspiracy-internet-military/ | Source: The Nation
[12:23]	TR Bot	 The Digital Soldiers Taking Americas Forever Wars Online | The Nation
[12:24]	TR News	"States of class, inequality and hereditary systems of rule are almost titillating, a reminder that the American Revolution was less radical than a revolt begun reluctantly by aristocratic" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/15/queenly-saturation/ | Source: Counter Punch
[12:24]	TR Bot	Saturation - CounterPunch.org
[12:27]	TR News	"Car prices are still rising sharply: new vehicles up 0.8 percent in August, 10.1 percent year-over-year, added 0.03 percentage points to the months inflation." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/15/price-increases-persist-despite-supply-chain-progress/ | Source: Counter Punch
[12:27]	TR Bot	Increases Persist Despite Supply Chain Progress - CounterPunch.org
[12:28]	TR News	Warren Buffett is scum, connected to mate of Jeffrey Epstein. He won't even listen to Sanders. https://truthout.org/articles/sanders-tells-warren-buffett-to-treat-rail-workers-better-and-avert-strike/ | Source: TruthOut
[12:28]	TR Bot	 Sanders Tells Warren Buffett to Treat Rail Workers Better and Avert Strike
[12:29]	TR News	Microsoft Pelosi, who profits from Microsoft while her party bails out Microsoft https://truthout.org/articles/pelosi-says-congressional-stock-ban-bill-is-ready-to-come-to-a-vote-this-month-2/ | Source: TruthOut
[12:29]	TR Bot	 Pelosi Says Congressional Stock Ban Bill Is Ready to Come to a Vote This Month
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[12:30]	schestowitz[TR]	Spike Jones looked a lot like Max Kaiser 
[12:30]	schestowitz[TR]	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=P-Lc8NPrbbU&listen=falsehttps://yewtu.be/watch?v=P-Lc8NPrbbU&listen=false
[12:30]	TR Bot	 Spike Jones- Black And Blue Danube Waltz - Invidious
[12:31]	schestowitz[TR]	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=d2ufQhzx_70&listen=false
[12:31]	TR Bot	 SPIKE JONES: Older Than Dust Medley.mov - Invidious
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[12:34]	TR News	Big Oil PR Firms https://truthout.org/articles/big-oil-pr-firms-reject-invite-to-hearing-on-climate-disinformation/ | Source: TruthOut
[12:34]	TR Bot	 Big Oil PR Firms Reject Invite to Hearing on Climate Disinformation
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[12:40]	TR News	"Like Big Tobacco, Big Oil may soon have to pay for its abuses." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/14/report-exposes-decades-big-oil-lies-industry-faces-congressional-scrutiny | Source: Common Dreams
[12:40]	TR Bot	 Report Exposes Decades of 'Big Oil Lies' as Industry Faces Congressional Scrutiny
[12:44]	TR News	"It is just shy of three years since the UK Government announced it was withdrawing its support for shale gas extraction or fracking." https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/14/uk-reversal-fracking-ban-anti-science-and-anti-planet | Source: Common Dreams
[12:44]	TR Bot	 Opinion | UK Reversal of Fracking Ban Is Anti-Science and Anti-Planet | Andy Rowell
[12:44]	TR News	Warren https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/14/warren-condemns-deceptive-and-outrageous-behavior-student-loan-giant-navient | Source: Common Dreams
[12:44]	TR Bot	 Warren Condemns Deceptive and 'Outrageous Behavior' by Student Loan Giant Navient
[12:45]	TR News	"This hearing is PR agencies' worst nightmare." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/14/big-oil-pr-firms-no-show-house-hearing-climate-disinformation | Source: Common Dreams
[12:45]	TR Bot	 Big Oil PR Firms a No-Show at House Hearing on Climate Disinformation
[12:45]	TR News	"For generations, workers have been punished by corporate bosses for watching the clock. But now, the corporate clock is watching workers!" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/14/down-corporate-bean-counters-who-spy-their-workers | Source: Common Dreams
[12:45]	TR Bot	 Opinion | Down With the Corporate Bean-Counters Who Spy on Their Workers | Jim Hightower
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[12:46]	TR News	Buffett, the 'twin' of Famous Criminal Bill Gates https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/14/bernie-sanders-warren-buffett-give-rail-workers-better-conditions-avoid-strike | Source: Common Dreams
[12:46]	TR Bot	 Bernie Sanders to Warren Buffett: Give Rail Workers Better Conditions to Avoid Strike
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[12:48]	TR News	Newsom https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/farmworker-ufw-march-voting-rights/ | Source: The Nation
[12:48]	TR Bot	 Biden vs. Newsom on Farmworkers Right To Vote | The Nation
[12:50]	TR News	"The sudden onset of the Covid-19 pandemic inverted long-held assumptions." https://www.thenation.com/article/culture/cooper-hewitt-covid-architecture/ | Source: The Nation
[12:50]	TR Bot	 The Half Measures of Public Health Architecture | The Nation
[12:50]	schestowitz[TR]	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=IzuVX7J9RN8&listen=false
[12:50]	TR Bot	 Flight Of The Bumblebee - Invidious
[12:51]	TR News	Capitalism has turned COVID denier https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/14/covid-19-and-911-who-lives-who-dies-who-cares | Source: Common Dreams
[12:51]	TR Bot	 Opinion | Covid-19 and 9/11: Who Lives, Who Dies, Who Cares | Richard Eskow
[12:53]	schestowitz[TR]	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=8QbtaqxdexU&listen=false
[12:53]	TR Bot	 Spike Jones - Holiday for Strings - Invidious
[12:54]	TR News	Overconsumption https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/14/politics-overconsumption-and-getting-scale-right | Source: Common Dreams
[12:54]	TR Bot	 Opinion | The Politics of Overconsumption and Getting the Scale Right | Wes Jackson
[12:54]	TR News	Information Has Always Been Power... https://www.propublica.org/article/why-trump-hoarded-documents-information | Source: Pro Publica, taking bribes from Bill Gates to CONTROL information
[12:54]	TR Bot	 For Donald Trump, Information Has Always Been Power ProPublica
[12:57]	TR News	Exploitative. " The work is 10 hours per week in the Berlin office and home office is possible at a later stage." Gulag Deutschland hiring on the cheap. https://fsfe.org/news/2022/news-20220915-01.en.html
[12:57]	TR Bot	 FSFE is hiring a working student as an assistant system administrator - FSFE
[12:58]	schestowitz[TR]	dead at age 53 :/
[12:58]	schestowitz[TR]	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spike_Jones
[12:58]	TR Bot	 Spike Jones - Wikipedia
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[13:00]	schestowitz[TR]	\"Jones was a lifelong heavy smoker, reportedly 4-5 packs a day, and eventually he developed breathing problems, including emphysema. Never"
[13:00]	schestowitz[TR]	" the picture of health, his emphysema advanced to the point where he used an oxygen tank both on and offstage and he was confined to a seat behind his drum set while performing. In spite of his illness, he continued smoking until his death on May 1, 1965, at the age of 53"
[13:00]	schestowitz[TR]	His wife only died weeks ago!
[13:00]	schestowitz[TR]	"His second wife, Helen Grayco, died as a result of cancer in Los Angeles on August 20, 2022, at the age of 97.
[13:00]	schestowitz[TR]	"
[13:01]	schestowitz[TR]	mixling: don't smoke so much
[13:06]	schestowitz[TR]	I started listening to his music 20 years ago
[13:06]	schestowitz[TR]	he died 57 years ago
[13:08]	TR News	Jono Bacon props up anti-Linux Microsoft moles. Erica Brescia. https://www.badvoltage.org/2022/09/15/3x50/ http://techrights.org/2019/04/08/jono-bacon-works-for-microsoft/
[13:08]	TR Bot	 350: Two Riders Were Approaching | Bad Voltage
[13:08]	TR Bot	 Jono Bacon Works for Microsoft | Techrights
[13:15]	schestowitz[TR]	afaik, most are public domain now
[13:15]	schestowitz[TR]	so I can ue them in videos, some ...
[13:18]	TR News	Too late. A lot of the important technical and management staff from Red Hat already left the building. https://www.zdnet.com/article/remote-working-red-hat-tells-staff-they-dont-have-to-return-to-the-office/
[13:18]	TR Bot	working: Red Hat tells staff they don't have to return to the office | ZDNET
[13:18]	psydruid	the bacon has turned bad
[13:19]	psydruid	many of them will never have to return to the office
[13:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[13:20]	TR News	ICBM shoring up this euphemism for surveillance staff, like NSA with "analyst" https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/9/data-scientist-day-life
[13:20]	TR Bot	 Data scientist: A day in the life | The Enterprisers Project
[13:20]	schestowitz[TR]	ICBM nuked Red Hat faster than I had imagined
[13:20]	schestowitz[TR]	people warned me
[13:20]	schestowitz[TR]	in 2019
[13:20]	schestowitz[TR]	that ICBM would do this in 2020
[13:21]	schestowitz[TR]	because they wait 18-24 months
[13:21]	schestowitz[TR]	then, indeed, ICBM killed off CentOS
[13:21]	schestowitz[TR]	then Fedora
[13:21]	schestowitz[TR]	and staff left in droves
[13:21]	schestowitz[TR]	quietly
[13:21]	schestowitz[TR]	Red Hat's site kept announcing new managers
[13:21]	schestowitz[TR]	not saying what happened to the people they replace
[13:21]	schestowitz[TR]	they showed up in other companies
[13:21]	schestowitz[TR]	amazon was common
[13:21]	schestowitz[TR]	peters and LP went to MSFT
[13:22]	schestowitz[TR]	worse yet
[13:22]	schestowitz[TR]	ICBM hired from Microsoft to some Red Haat management roles
[13:22]	schestowitz[TR]	which expains a lot
[13:22]	schestowitz[TR]	they make decisions FOR Red Hat now
[13:23]	TR News	"Access Now is incredibly disappointed by the news that Ooredoo, the last remaining telecommunications company operating in Myanmar not owned or connected to the military junta" https://www.accessnow.org/ooredoo-myanmar-sale/
[13:23]	TR Bot	 Ooredoos plans to leave Myanmar hands military full control of nations telco sector it must mitigate the human rights risks - Access Now
[13:23]	mixling	year 2002, RedHat9, was one reasons, i hesitated to follow along with Linux and the type of system RH9 was at that time
[13:24]	mixling	see, the first computer had MS-DOS installed, and i hated win311 from the beginning
[13:24]	mixling	and then, RH9 presented the exact same shiny GUI klicky bunti i didn't want
[13:26]	mixling	20years passed, this Linux desktop experience, improved even further, with systemd and things
[13:26]	psydruid	I ran RH8 and RH9 for a year
[13:26]	mixling	Java, another child of theirs, IBM/RedHat... sadly i was socialized with this type of software and system early in my "carreer"
[13:27]	psydruid	and then came Fedora Core 1, which was so buggy that I haven't used a RH operating system since
[13:27]	TR News	GNU Guile-Ncurses version 3.1 (stable) released on 14 September 2022 https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Guile-ncurses
[13:27]	TR Bot	 Guile-ncurses - Free Software Directory
[13:27]	schestowitz[TR]	I used FC1 and 2
[13:27]	schestowitz[TR]	at work
[13:27]	schestowitz[TR]	the labs
[13:27]	schestowitz[TR]	used even doziens of Fedora machines in parallel
[13:27]	mixling	i mean, Java, as a language, is well-designed, i would prefer this over python, however, the entire framework clutter and bloat surrounding IBM/RedHat and their Java-ecosystem
[13:27]	schestowitz[TR]	to run experiments for my phd projects
[13:27]	psydruid	I briefly had RHEL8 installed on my laptop, but that was even wlrss
[13:27]	psydruid	worse*
[13:28]	mixling	this is exactly the type of software i wanted to _avoid_, with free software and linux
[13:28]	schestowitz[TR]	Fedora's browsers then were so bad
[13:28]	schestowitz[TR]	that I once use Opera on them
[13:28]	schestowitz[TR]	Opera was better than the mozilla ones back then
[13:28]	schestowitz[TR]	later came firefox
[13:29]	schestowitz[TR]	I think the most I ever used was 50 PCs in parallel
[13:29]	schestowitz[TR]	all running Fedora
[13:30]	TR News	 (NEW): LibreOffice 7.4.1 Community available for download http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/LibreOffice_7_4_1_Community_available_for_download.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/LibreOffice_7_4_1_Community_available_for_download.gmi 
[13:30]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines LibreOffice 7.4.1 Community available for download
[13:35]	TR News	Jono Bacon brings home the bacon. Where money goes, Jono follows. Still following Microsoft while pretending to give a shit about us (like Miguel de Icaza and Lintard Pottymouth). http://techrights.org/2019/04/08/jono-bacon-works-for-microsoft/
[13:35]	TR Bot	 Jono Bacon Works for Microsoft | Techrights
[13:35]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/today_s_howtos.2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/today_s_howtos.2.gmi 
[13:35]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
[13:35]	TR News	http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Videos_and_Shows_Fedora_vs_Ubuntu_TLLTS_and_Jono_Bacon_Doing_PR.shtml
[13:35]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Videos and Shows: Fedora vs. Ubuntu, TLLTS, and Jono Bacon Doing PR for Microsoft
[13:35]	TR News	 (NEW): Videos and Shows: Fedora vs. Ubuntu, TLLTS, and Jono Bacon Doing PR for Microsoft http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Videos_and_Shows_Fedora_vs_Ubuntu_TLLTS_and_Jono_Bacon_Doing_PR.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Videos_and_Shows_Fedora_vs_Ubuntu_TLLTS_and_Jono_Bacon_Doing_PR.gmi 
[13:39]	mixling	problem with IBM/RedHat... they seem to heavily involved with critical components of "free software", including GNU toolchain
[13:39]	mixling	glibc
[13:40]	mixling	glibc, can be replaced, this problem is solved, both technically and politically
[13:40]	mixling	*too heavily involved
[13:41]	mixling	systemd/gtk ... a RedHat thing
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[13:41]	mixling	i mean, the linux "desktop experience" couldn't be any worse anymore, with or without the wrongdoing of RedHat
[13:42]	schestowitz[TR]	it used to be harder to use gnu/linux
[13:42]	mixling	it's that bad, i removed almost everything possible which is (C) IBM/RedHat: pam, glibc, systemd, elfutils
[13:42]	schestowitz[TR]	rfed hat did a lot of good, toio
[13:42]	mixling	soon will follow, i hope, the entire GNU toolchain
[13:42]	mixling	and, the entire GNU buildsystem
[13:42]	techuser	mixling: we just have some success at porting Windows experience onto GNU/Linux
[13:42]	schestowitz[TR]	mixling: and then remove the PC compltely
[13:42]	schestowitz[TR]	because "USA"
[13:43]	mixling	schestowitz[TR]: wrong, it couldn't become any worse, to develop for and with GNU/Linux
[13:43]	schestowitz[TR]	compre to?
[13:43]	mixling	schestowitz[TR]: i must drink Vodka to stomach configure.ac and whatnot clutter
[13:43]	schestowitz[TR]	did you develop for it 20 years ago?
[13:43]	schestowitz[TR]	it was no picnic
[13:43]	mixling	compared to, for example, some inspirational ideas from suckless.org
[13:43]	schestowitz[TR]	suckless is not old
[13:43]	mixling	tcc-toolchain, older kernel versions
[13:44]	schestowitz[TR]	you are longing for broken software
[13:44]	schestowitz[TR]	that did not support many essential things
[13:44]	schestowitz[TR]	like acceleration
[13:44]	mixling	how could anything not be consider broken wreckage beyond repair nowadays?
[13:44]	schestowitz[TR]	it's too big now
[13:44]	schestowitz[TR]	and hence more buggy
[13:44]	schestowitz[TR]	it happens to browsers also
[13:44]	schestowitz[TR]	software starts elegant
[13:44]	schestowitz[TR]	and over time bloated
[13:44]	schestowitz[TR]	and hard to improve
[13:44]	schestowitz[TR]	or fix without breaking
[13:45]	schestowitz[TR]	so people start over
[13:45]	schestowitz[TR]	you are not starting over
[13:45]	schestowitz[TR]	you go back to older version of the broken software
[13:45]	mixling	i don't know, seeing GNU autotools... if it had been any good in the past
[13:45]	schestowitz[TR]	some people make small kernels now
[13:45]	schestowitz[TR]	but they are never competitive enough
[13:45]	schestowitz[TR]	even gulag tried
[13:45]	schestowitz[TR]	fuchsia 
[13:46]	schestowitz[TR]	countless others
[13:46]	schestowitz[TR]	but lesser knownm
[13:46]	schestowitz[TR]	they don't own the media connections
[13:46]	mixling	Linux kernel was decent, it's core was ~100K LoC, at that scale, most of the clutter was device drivers
[13:46]	schestowitz[TR]	that was for old computers
[13:46]	schestowitz[TR]	the complexity of hardware increased
[13:46]	schestowitz[TR]	and they doin't make that hardware anymore
[13:46]	schestowitz[TR]	so you long for old broken software
[13:46]	schestowitz[TR]	for old hardware that's broken
[13:46]	schestowitz[TR]	but fixable
[13:47]	schestowitz[TR]	but not on sale anymore
[13:47]	schestowitz[TR]	no more bios
[13:47]	schestowitz[TR]	now it's monsterclusterfuck called UEFI
[13:47]	schestowitz[TR]	with tons of bugs
[13:47]	schestowitz[TR]	and you have no chace of fixing them
[13:47]	schestowitz[TR]	even the companies that make them cannot fix them
[13:47]	schestowitz[TR]	they ship it buggy
[13:47]	schestowitz[TR]	and hide the error messages
[13:48]	schestowitz[TR]	then they ship security updates and brick the whole lot
[13:48]	schestowitz[TR]	that's "modern"
[13:48]	mixling	just my argument, the entire industry is wrecked, BEYOND REPAIR
[13:48]	schestowitz[TR]	yeah
[13:48]	schestowitz[TR]	start over
[13:48]	mixling	there is no way forward anymore, strategically
[13:48]	mixling	and any ROLL-BACK too is extremely difficult
[13:48]	mixling	with both, hardware and software
[13:48]	schestowitz[TR]	web b rowsers that are "modern" will soon be 40 million lines of code
[13:48]	schestowitz[TR]	not counting the bloated dependencies
[13:49]	schestowitz[TR]	even libreoffice is far from that scale
[13:49]	schestowitz[TR]	writing code takes less time than removing bad code
[13:49]	schestowitz[TR]	and then testing the removal
[13:49]	schestowitz[TR]	but capitalism is only about expanbsion
[13:49]	mixling	libreoffice, i don't know
[13:49]	schestowitz[TR]	new hardware, new code, MOAR FEEEECHERS
[13:50]	mixling	same argument, it's OK, to rely on such a C++ monstrosity, LibreOffice..
[13:50]	schestowitz[TR]	I got a lot more done with previous verisons of firefox and thunderbird
[13:50]	schestowitz[TR]	like 15 years ago
[13:50]	mixling	it is OK, IF AND ONLY IF, some alternative remained (authoring with markdown, tex, troff whatnot)
[13:50]	schestowitz[TR]	it was a lot more powerful back then
[13:50]	schestowitz[TR]	they killed xul and didn't even stop there
[13:51]	mixling	same with browsers such as Moz/CHrome/Webkit, OK, IF AND ONLY IF some alternative remained
[13:51]	schestowitz[TR]	the issue in a nutshell 
[13:51]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2022/04/08/planned-obsolescence-ibm/
[13:51]	TR Bot	 IBM and Fedora: Stop Being Poor! Buy a New PC! | Techrights
[13:51]	mixling	such as w3m/links/lynx... however, see for yourself... no online job portal access with those, no GAFAM crap, no online banking, no online shopping
[13:51]	schestowitz[TR]	you should support local shops anyway
[13:51]	schestowitz[TR]	walk in, buy stuff
[13:52]	schestowitz[TR]	if it's brokejn you can return it
[13:52]	schestowitz[TR]	they  know where you got it from
[13:52]	mixling	the entire WWW is practically defunct nowadays, with w3c standards compliant browsers, lynx does implement relevant w3c standards!
[13:52]	mixling	however, see for yourself
[13:52]	schestowitz[TR]	no, worse
[13:52]	schestowitz[TR]	they implement first
[13:52]	schestowitz[TR]	then add to w3d 
[13:52]	schestowitz[TR]	with shovels and wheelbarrows
[13:52]	schestowitz[TR]	like MSFT with OOXML
[13:52]	schestowitz[TR]	they stopped bothering 
[13:52]	schestowitz[TR]	ISO already had a gaping hole
[13:52]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/wiki/ISO
[13:52]	TR Bot	 ISO - Techrights
[13:53]	mixling	reminds me, most ITU-T related telco-standards, it's all MICROS~1 office documents
[13:53]	schestowitz[TR]	on the www, there is only illusioon of standards now
[13:53]	MinceR	the w3c has failed
[13:53]	schestowitz[TR]	the browsers ARE the standard
[13:53]	schestowitz[TR]	and if yours is not supported
[13:53]	schestowitz[TR]	"tough luck"
[13:53]	mixling	RFC, are ASCII text... pick your poison
[13:53]	schestowitz[TR]	Stop Being Poor! Buy a New PC!
[13:53]	schestowitz[TR]	geta  NEW browser
[13:53]	schestowitz[TR]	"modern"
[13:53]	MinceR	after all the preaching about the "open web", they've rubberstamped MPEG LA's patent-encumbered codecs and Extremely Malicious Extensions
[13:54]	schestowitz[TR]	btw, new unicode is out
[13:54]	schestowitz[TR]	they're still going and going
[13:54]	schestowitz[TR]	until all old software is broken
[13:54]	schestowitz[TR]	for using "outdated" unicode
[13:54]	schestowitz[TR]	like drupal 6 
[13:54]	schestowitz[TR]	<techrights-news> The Unicode Blog: Announcing The Unicode Standard, Version 15.0 https://blog.unicode.org/2022/09/announcing-unicode-standard-version-150.html Source: Unicode | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.unicode.org/2022/09/announcing-unicode-standard-version-150.html
[13:54]	TR Bot	 The Unicode Blog: Announcing The Unicode Standard, Version 15.0
[13:55]	schestowitz[TR]	utf-8/16
[13:55]	schestowitz[TR]	WHICH one?
[13:55]	schestowitz[TR]	we'll soon have enough bits to make each word in each language a "character"
[13:56]	schestowitz[TR]	they might then sell out [satirical, not serious] processors with acceleratos with language processing in the chatset sense
[13:56]	schestowitz[TR]	"HEY HI| accelerator
[13:56]	mixling	well, yes, finally it was some GAFAM implementation of Unicode for GNOME/GTK, which wrecked it
[13:56]	schestowitz[TR]	for unicode++++
[13:57]	schestowitz[TR]	and connected chars 
[13:57]	schestowitz[TR]	like iranian developers in github
[13:57]	schestowitz[TR]	but the ones who live in iran
[13:57]	schestowitz[TR]	github bans iranians
[13:57]	schestowitz[TR]	because... because!
[13:57]	MinceR	a few thousand more emoji?
[13:57]	schestowitz[TR]	yes1
[13:57]	schestowitz[TR]	green hands
[13:57]	schestowitz[TR]	blue hands
[13:57]	schestowitz[TR]	for each hand
[13:57]	MinceR	(because that's what a general purpose character encoding needs)
[13:58]	schestowitz[TR]	must be inclusive
[13:58]	schestowitz[TR]	for each genture we need all colours
[13:58]	schestowitz[TR]	and all shades of brown
[13:58]	schestowitz[TR]	otherwise some mpeople won't know which emoji to choiose
[13:58]	schestowitz[TR]	"i ain't black"
[13:58]	schestowitz[TR]	"ain't white"
[13:58]	schestowitz[TR]	"I ain't THAT brown"
[13:58]	schestowitz[TR]	"but I just want to do a thumbs up"
[13:58]	schestowitz[TR]	"please select gesture"
[13:58]	schestowitz[TR]	"select colour"
[13:59]	schestowitz[TR]	"select size"
[13:59]	schestowitz[TR]	"select gender"
[13:59]	schestowitz[TR]	[HUGE MENU UNFOLDS]
[13:59]	schestowitz[TR]	"select how much tghe thumb is up"
[13:59]	schestowitz[TR]	you: up yours!
[13:59]	schestowitz[TR]	"I just wants a simple gesture"
[13:59]	schestowitz[TR]	"sleects mniddle finger instead"
● Sep 15
[14:00]	schestowitz[TR]	"select colour"
[14:00]	schestowitz[TR]	"OH, F* OFF!!"
[14:00]	schestowitz[TR]	I noticed this years ago
[14:00]	schestowitz[TR]	it wasn't enough to have emmojis
[14:00]	schestowitz[TR]	but to add many of the same
[14:00]	schestowitz[TR]	causinmg 
[14:00]	schestowitz[TR]	1) bloat
[14:00]	schestowitz[TR]	2 ) pollution
[14:00]	schestowitz[TR]	3) confusion
[14:01]	schestowitz[TR]	4) cruft
[14:01]	schestowitz[TR]	and we pay for it
[14:01]	schestowitz[TR]	with the planet
[14:01]	mixling	heh, Unicode, this could be a blocker with a ROLL-BACK
[14:01]	schestowitz[TR]	all this so that a black person might not have to face the discomfort of seeing a thumbs=up with the "wrong" colour
[14:01]	mixling	yep... stumbled upon this more than once, within the X11 realm
[14:01]	schestowitz[TR]	a lot of this is connected to the "lets's stop using the word master"
[14:02]	mixling	not sure yet, what some tiny libc and linux-2.4 would support
[14:02]	schestowitz[TR]	and now developers have more bugs
[14:02]	schestowitz[TR]	having to change code and scripts
[14:02]	mixling	however, guess what, i can live with ASCII, i can live with it
[14:02]	schestowitz[TR]	and emoji checks foir a gesture need to include many conditions
[14:02]	schestowitz[TR]	for each colour of the rainbow or grey/brown scale
[14:02]	schestowitz[TR]	this is not progress
[14:02]	schestowitz[TR]	it's balance done wrong
[14:02]	mixling	only worse than NO unicode support, is the available implementations for Unicode
[14:02]	schestowitz[TR]	the priority should not be thuis
[14:02]	schestowitz[TR]	but the developers got bored
[14:02]	schestowitz[TR]	the software got done
[14:02]	schestowitz[TR]	the managers then egg them on to write more and more code
[14:03]	schestowitz[TR]	more art
[14:03]	schestowitz[TR]	more icons
[14:03]	schestowitz[TR]	to keep them busy
[14:03]	schestowitz[TR]	so the software got bigger and bigger
[14:03]	schestowitz[TR]	and we are forc-efed that "latest version"
[14:03]	schestowitz[TR]	now with 10 icons for the same gesture"
[14:03]	schestowitz[TR]	and 10 condition checks for each
[14:03]	schestowitz[TR]	slower
[14:03]	schestowitz[TR]	loads page
[14:03]	schestowitz[TR]	needs to get 10 png files for the same gesture
[14:03]	schestowitz[TR]	routers work harder
[14:03]	schestowitz[TR]	more emissions
[14:04]	schestowitz[TR]	but emissions are woke
[14:04]	schestowitz[TR]	they're fine
[14:04]	schestowitz[TR]	buy a new iPhone
[14:04]	schestowitz[TR]	it now OMITs the taiwan flag
[14:04]	schestowitz[TR]	the apple slave factory depends on it
[14:04]	schestowitz[TR]	no omission of taiwan flag
[14:04]	schestowitz[TR]	apple cannot have slave access
[14:04]	schestowitz[TR]	iphone gets expensive to make
[14:04]	schestowitz[TR]	apple makes less money
[14:04]	schestowitz[TR]	APPLE (NYSE) shareholders less happy
[14:04]	schestowitz[TR]	start posting many frown faces
[14:05]	schestowitz[TR]	in all colours possible
[14:05]	schestowitz[TR]	even blue face froen
[14:05]	schestowitz[TR]	cannot breath, suffocated
[14:05]	schestowitz[TR]	"get the latest emoji set... now WITH LESS Taiwan flag"
[14:05]	mixling	you know what, for the sake of it, i may _intentionally_ remove Unicode support
[14:06]	schestowitz[TR]	uniciode was OK
[14:06]	mixling	then, i got back Elvis editor
[14:06]	schestowitz[TR]	I don't know what unicode is anymore
[14:06]	schestowitz[TR]	people tell me emoji is prt of unicode
[14:06]	schestowitz[TR]	and messaging  "apps" extend that too
[14:06]	schestowitz[TR]	with "icons" like "happy birthday"
[14:06]	schestowitz[TR]	proprietary obv. 
[14:06]	schestowitz[TR]	more images to transport over ther network
[14:06]	schestowitz[TR]	32k characters are not enough
[14:07]	schestowitz[TR]	need 32k^8
[14:07]	schestowitz[TR]	now they have pregnant men too
[14:07]	schestowitz[TR]	I thought it was a joke at first
[14:07]	schestowitz[TR]	then I realised it was not
[14:07]	schestowitz[TR]	soon people will moan
[14:07]	schestowitz[TR]	coz there is only a unicolour pregnant man
[14:07]	schestowitz[TR]	we need to have 10
[14:07]	schestowitz[TR]	yellow, brown, bloack, third srimester
[14:08]	schestowitz[TR]	and the unicode cartel will moan
[14:08]	schestowitz[TR]	cannot render icon
[14:08]	schestowitz[TR]	you use an old "i"phone
[14:08]	schestowitz[TR]	it's already 3 years old
[14:08]	schestowitz[TR]	"give it to grandma"
[14:08]	schestowitz[TR]	"buy a new one!"
[14:08]	schestowitz[TR]	from the sweatshop
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[14:14]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Open Hardware and Devices With Linux
[14:14]	TR News	 (NEW): Proprietary Junk and Security Problems http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Proprietary_Junk_and_Security_Problems.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Proprietary_Junk_and_Security_Problems.gmi 
[14:14]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Proprietary Junk and Security Problems
[14:17]	TR News	Intel doomed? https://www.nextplatform.com/2022/09/14/arm-fills-in-some-gaps-and-details-in-server-chip-roadmaps/
[14:17]	TR Bot	 Arm Fills In Some Gaps And Details In Server Chip Roadmaps
[14:18]	TR News	Intel will work its staff to death until its own death. Got two contacts inside Intel. It ain't pretty... and they LOSE money.
[14:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[14:21]	TR News	'Parasite' mode: "Disneys 2016 decision to close its game publishing unit means Disney had to transition to a licensing model to capitalize on such IP [sic] for games." https://variety.com/vip/why-disney-remains-a-major-gaming-licensor-not-a-player-1235371894/
[14:21]	TR Bot	Disney Remains aMajor Gaming Licensor --Not a Player - Variety
[14:24]	TR News	ZDNet is part of a private MARKETING (brainwash) company, so it's VERY hard to assess its financial situation unless there's some bold whistleblower from the bean-counting dept. (like the Twitter whistleblower who exposed the fraud in the 'fake scale' dept.)
[14:25]	TR News	Also, hard to assess just how much money GitHub and YouTube are losing. The parent entity/ies mixed all sorts of things, so even insiders can barely calculate these things (a detailed list of expenses that are applicable)
[14:26]	TR News	Modern 'tech' corporations: operating at a LOSS, at OUR expense, to make us miserable and control us on behalf on those whom we're forced to bail out. What a racket.
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[14:36]	TR News	Links 15/09/2022: LibreOffice 7.4.1 and Red Hat Panic Over Staff Exodus | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/15/libreoffice-7-4-1/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/15/libreoffice-7-4-1/
[14:36]	TR Bot	 Links 15/09/2022: LibreOffice 7.4.1 and Red Hat Panic Over Staff Exodus | Techrights
[14:36]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/today_s_leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/today_s_leftovers.gmi 
[14:36]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's leftovers
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[14:39]	TR News	"I went to a bookbinding shop today asking if they would teach me some of their craft but the owner, an old guy, was so harsh... Almost rude." gemini://siiky.srht.site/kB45oC/no-bookbinding.gmi
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[14:39]	TR News	XBCHOSA Wordo: ILIUM gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-09-15.gmi
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[14:45]	mixling	at least one problem with linux-2.4: 32bit time_t and year 2038
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[14:55]	schestowitz[TR]	there are worse issues then these
[14:55]	schestowitz[TR]	like data integrity
[14:55]	schestowitz[TR]	*than these
[14:57]	mixling	data integrity?
[14:58]	MinceR	https://nitter.it/YudinGreg/status/1570101428542402561
[14:58]	TR Bot	Yudin (@YudinGreg): "Since there is a lot of interest in what is the reaction to the recent military setbacks in Russia, awith an update. There are three distinct groups in Russia: 1/25"|nitter.it
[14:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 29.80 k/sec., IPFS upstream 173.38 average k/sec., average swarm size 165.01
● Sep 15
[15:02]	schestowitz[TR]	mixling: file system bugs
[15:03]	schestowitz[TR]	there are also security bugs
[15:03]	schestowitz[TR]	that are now known and exploitable remotely
[15:03]	schestowitz[TR]	IF you connect that to the Net
[15:03]	mixling	schestowitz[TR]: that's not any different to most recent kernel versions
[15:04]	schestowitz[TR]	but they can be patched easily
[15:04]	mixling	the attack surface in userspace will be tiny to non-existent with the proposed system
[15:05]	mixling	local-root exploits are a non-issue
[15:05]	schestowitz[TR]	attack surface !!
[15:05]	mixling	if any it is remote-exploits against any kernel-api in networking stack
[15:05]	mixling	long story short, a version roll-back won't expose additional threats
[15:06]	schestowitz[TR]	so security is not your aim
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[15:06]	mixling	schestowitz[TR]: try to nuke my irc session
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[15:06]	mixling	tell you what it is: statically linked catgirl-irc client with bearssl/libtls
[15:07]	schestowitz[TR]	i cannot nuke others' either
[15:07]	schestowitz[TR]	ddos at os level based on ip address is another matter
[15:07]	schestowitz[TR]	or swatting you
[15:07]	mixling	the loopdev block-layer crypto is easily implemented against linux-2.4 even
[15:07]	mixling	because, this is the one i forward-ported back to linux-5.10
[15:08]	mixling	that's safe too
[15:08]	mixling	ssh will be safe
[15:08]	mixling	with tcc-toolchain bounds-checker there is some problems remaining
[15:09]	mixling	anyway, it's more a general question, what limitations there are with a ROLL-BACK
[15:09]	mixling	because, strategically, there is no way forward beyond gcc47 for example
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[15:09]	mixling	and even this, the entire GNU-toolchain and buildsystem are on the hitlist for removal
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[15:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[15:24]	TR News	Night Colour in KDE: Small New Feature, Potentially Valuable in This Crisis Mode Era | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/15/kde-night-color/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/15/kde-night-color/
[15:24]	TR Bot	 Night Colour in KDE: Small New Feature, Potentially Valuable in This Crisis Mode Era | Techrights
[15:28]	mixling	anyone knows if x86_64 will be safe with 64bit time_t and linux-2.4?
[15:29]	mixling	however, then the challenge is, to find any x86_64 64bit hardware for linux-2.4
[15:29]	mixling	problem is, the linux kernel version which addressed year2038 problem is v5.6
[15:30]	mixling	that's another deadlock, theoretical currently:
[15:31]	mixling	if a version ROLL-BACK was necessary, to anything similar to linux-2.4, then this blocks with 32bit hardware against year2038
[15:31]	mixling	and 32bit hardware is the appropriate choice mostly with linux-2.4, the ao486 is the most recent opensource hardware SoC for x86 hardware
[15:33]	mixling	mjg59_: cannot drink as much vodka as i wanted to puke over this
[15:33]	mixling	this reminds me of the NASA story, dumpster diving for i8086 spare parts, for their Space Shuttle
[15:33]	TR News	 (NEW): 6 Ways to Harden your Debian system http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/6_Ways_to_Harden_your_Debian_system.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/6_Ways_to_Harden_your_Debian_system.gmi 
[15:33]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines 6 Ways to Harden your Debian system
[15:38]	mixling	that's another hypothetical question, such as, if, just what if:
[15:39]	mixling	both any system with a version ROLL-BACK was wrecked (year2038), and any software version beyond that was too wrecked
[15:40]	mixling	the usual "intellect" involved would argue, hey, get along with x86_64, however that's hardware mostly _not_ supported with older kernels
[15:40]	TR News	 (NEW): 13 Best Email Clients for Ubuntu in 2022 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/13_Best_Email_Clients_for_Ubuntu_in_2022.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/13_Best_Email_Clients_for_Ubuntu_in_2022.gmi 
[15:40]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines 13 Best Email Clients for Ubuntu in 2022
[15:40]	TR News	 (NEW): This Flutter-based Unofficial Software Center Might Replace Ubuntu's Official App http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/This_Flutter_based_Unofficial_Software_Center_Might_Replace_Ubu.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/This_Flutter_based_Unofficial_Software_Center_Might_Replace_Ubu.gmi 
[15:40]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines This Flutter-based Unofficial Software Center Might Replace Ubuntu's Official App
[15:40]	mixling	and the most recent opensource SoC for x86 is: ao486, not any 64bit of IBM Wintel Pentagon shitware
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[15:48]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Work and Play: How to Use the Steam Deck as a Desktop Replacement
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[15:59]	matteobin	Hello there!
● Sep 15
[16:00]	matteobin	A friend of mine would like to buy this ThinkPad X270 https://www.amazon.it/Lenovo-ThinkPad-X270-HDMI-WiFi-WebCam-Tastiera-Ricondizionato/dp/B09RX3LVS2?psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUFDU1BQUzA2SDcyNlomZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTA5NzU1ODdaUFBBWlYxMkI0NUomZW5jcnlwdGVkQWRJZD1BMDA2Njc4NFZGUUlTQUNON0RBOCZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU%3D
[16:00]	TR Bot	ThinkPad X270 Notebook 12.5 1366768 | Intel Core i5-6200U 2.3Ghz | 8GB RAM | 480gb ssd | HDMI-WiFi-WebCam-Tastiera Italiana | WINDOWS 10 PRO (Ricondizionato) : Amazon.it: Informatica
[16:00]	matteobin	Is it good for Debian?
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[16:01]	matteobin	Is the price ok? Is this a good, durable and easy to fix laptop?
[16:04]	TR News	 (NEW): Stable Kernels: Linux 5.19.9, Linux 5.15.68, Linux 5.10.143, Linux 5.4.213, Linux 4.19.258, Linux 4.14.293, and Linux 4.9.328 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Stable_Kernels_Linux_5_19_9_Linux_5_15_68_Linux_5_10_143_Linux_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Stable_Kernels_Linux_5_19_9_Linux_5_15_68_Linux_5_10_143_Linux_.gmi 
[16:04]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Stable Kernels: Linux 5.19.9, Linux 5.15.68, Linux 5.10.143, Linux 5.4.213, Linux 4.19.258, Linux 4.14.293, and Linux 4.9.328
[16:04]	matteobin	Short link: https://www.amazon.it/dp/B09RX3LVS2
[16:04]	TR Bot	ThinkPad X270 Notebook 12.5 1366768 | Intel Core i5-6200U 2.3Ghz | 8GB RAM | 480gb ssd | HDMI-WiFi-WebCam-Tastiera Italiana | WINDOWS 10 PRO (Ricondizionato) : Amazon.it: Informatica
[16:04]	MinceR	it's not nearly as good as ThinkPads used to be
[16:04]	MinceR	i have an X270 here
[16:04]	TR News	 (NEW): SUSE adds security automation support for Kernel Live Patches http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/SUSE_adds_security_automation_support_for_Kernel_Live_Patches.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/SUSE_adds_security_automation_support_for_Kernel_Live_Patches.gmi 
[16:04]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines SUSE adds security automation support for Kernel Live Patches
[16:04]	MinceR	some newer Linux version no longer boots on it
[16:04]	MinceR	the TrackPoint likes to go on hikes
[16:04]	MinceR	the fan sometimes gets really loud
[16:04]	matteobin	What do you suggest? Should I tell him not to buy it?
[16:05]	MinceR	the battery started to bulge
[16:05]	MinceR	the only advantage this piece of shit has over older ThinkPads is the faster CPU/GPU and more RAM
[16:05]	MinceR	i don't know
[16:05]	MinceR	all laptops sucks nowadays
[16:05]	MinceR	if for no other reason, then because of UEFI
[16:06]	matteobin	Should I tell him to buy an older one?
[16:06]	MinceR	oh, also, you could remove the battery on older ThinkPads with 2 hands
[16:06]	MinceR	but since chinks don't understand the design, this one requires 3 hands
[16:06]	MinceR	dunno
[16:06]	MinceR	the "modern" web might not work on an older one
[16:07]	matteobin	Is the X230 better? https://minifree.org/product/libre-x230/
[16:07]	TR Bot	 Libre X230, 12.5 1366768 with secure coreboot firmware Minifree Ltd
[16:08]	MinceR	maybe
[16:08]	MinceR	some of the bullshit is already present on it
[16:08]	MinceR	the keyboard seems to be the same
[16:08]	MinceR	the casing seems to be mostly the same
[16:08]	MinceR	they may have already cheaped out on the fan and the TrackPoint
[16:09]	matteobin	What are good ThinkPad models?
[16:09]	MinceR	well, my X60s is good, except it's old so its CPU is slow and it can't handle more than 2.5 GB (or something like that) RAM
[16:10]	MinceR	but it has no UEFI or Intel ME
[16:10]	matteobin	I think he would like to watch Netflix on it. Can your X60s handle Netflix?
[16:11]	MinceR	unlikely
[16:11]	MinceR	though i mostly only used openbsd on it, so it's hard to tell
[16:12]	MinceR	web video was relatively slow on openbsd even on my ExpertBook B9
[16:15]	matteobin	Are you saying web video is usually slower on OpenBSD than GNU/Linux.
[16:15]	matteobin	Why do you use OpenBSD instead of NetBSD?
[16:18]	TR News	This world is run by 'king makers'. To impact the world, "powerless" people might have a better chance collectively influencing the king makers rather than influencing the kings, persuading them (e.g. strike action, leaks) to change the policies of kings they appoint/lobby. They have power, but we have the numbers. These king makers include media magnates that are in bed with "the industries". They control minds.
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[16:19]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines The art and science of secure open source software development
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[16:22]	MinceR	netbsd keeps kicking my mouse off USB
[16:23]	MinceR	wait, i think i did test web video with gnu/linux on that machine, i'll look it up
[16:24]	MinceR	it didn't work well on any system
[16:25]	XRevan86	schestowitz: "btw, new unicode is out; they're still going and going; until all old software is broken; for using "outdated" unicode; like drupal 6" <- That's a very strange way to say "I use MariaDB with utf8mb3, and 3 octets haven't been enough for a while".
[16:25]	matteobin	What do you mean with "kicking my mouse off USB"? Are you saying that your USB mouse does not work with NetBSD?
[16:25]	MinceR	openbsd chromium "doesn't even start playing", openbsd failfox "noticeably choppy even non-fullscreen theater mode default quality (480p); can't really handle fullscreen at all"
[16:25]	MinceR	void failfox "no audio, freezes up after fullscreen/exit/pause/play   automatic quality is pretty low"
[16:25]	MinceR	void toram failfox "no audio, seems smoother. after forcing to 720p, doesn't really play video anymore."
[16:25]	matteobin	So it's a no-no for streaming.
[16:26]	XRevan86	schestowitz: 4 octets are enough for everything and then some, so new additions to Unicode do not even make a dent.
[16:26]	MinceR	netbsd failfox "has audio, but noticeably choppy even in non-fullscreen theater mode 480p. picked 720p as default, no significant difference. pause is significantly delayed, play is somewhat delayed."
[16:27]	XRevan86	MinceR: https://nitter.it/YudinGreg/status/1570101428542402561 <- Nadiezhdin is a "system liberal" and such, but he's not the only one who's voiced zrada on live TV.
[16:27]	TR Bot	Yudin (@YudinGreg): "Since there is a lot of interest in what is the reaction to the recent military setbacks in Russia, awith an update. There are three distinct groups in Russia: 1/25"|nitter.it
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[16:27]	TR Bot	 Our Static Page Generator in Action: Early Incarnation With Image Support | Techrights
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[16:27]	matteobin	Have I missed something?
[16:27]	schestowitz[TR]	XRevan86: 25 parts?
[16:27]	schestowitz[TR]	seems like he wanted to write an article
[16:27]	schestowitz[TR]	not tweets
[16:27]	schestowitz[TR]	twitter is not a news site
[16:28]	schestowitz[TR]	it's also full of troolls and bots
[16:28]	XRevan86	MinceR: Otherwise not a bad assessment 
[16:28]	schestowitz[TR]	the latter is design to falsely reinforce participation
[16:28]	MinceR	in BrowserBench, on the ExpertBook B9 (much newer and more powerful laptop), i got much better scores on void than on openbsd
[16:28]	schestowitz[TR]	so mr. yudin will think his audience is vastly bigger than it really is
[16:28]	schestowitz[TR]	see what the head of security of twitter until this past january says
[16:29]	MinceR	i could play fullhd youtube video in full screen on that machine either way, but it didn't have a lot of CPU power left for other tasks on openbsd
[16:29]	schestowitz[TR]	he said what I had repeatedly shown months prior
[16:29]	schestowitz[TR]	twitter is oone goant fake
[16:29]	schestowitz[TR]	*giant
[16:29]	XRevan86	schestowitz: That's how MinceR shared it, I didn't think about it. Here's a fixed link: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1570101428542402561.html
[16:29]	TR Bot	 Thread by @YudinGreg on Thread Reader App Thread Reader App
[16:29]	schestowitz[TR]	cheers
[16:29]	schestowitz[TR]	it'll vanish one day
[16:29]	schestowitz[TR]	it\ outsourced
[16:29]	MinceR	everything on Earth will vanish one day
[16:29]	schestowitz[TR]	 a lot of war correspondents' war will vanish in a few yeasrs
[16:29]	matteobin	So the X60 is no good for video streaming. What about playing videos offline, i.e. with mpv?
[16:30]	schestowitz[TR]	then russia can rewrite history
[16:30]	MinceR	every human body and every information, that is
[16:30]	schestowitz[TR]	MinceR: relatively speaking
[16:30]	MinceR	matteobin: it's an X60s, but i don't think there's a big difference from the ordinary X60 in this matter
[16:30]	MinceR	matteobin: iirc it worked better, but i don't recall exactly, nor do i have notes on it
[16:33]	schestowitz[TR]	bad physics https://imgflip.com/memetemplate/324778876/tf2-spy-hangs-himself
[16:33]	TR Bot	spy hangs himself Blank Template - Imgflip
[16:34]	XRevan86	schestowitz: "it'll vanish one day" <- Plenty of those Invidious links TechrightsBot-tr generates are vanished on the spot.
[16:34]	matteobin	So should I let him buy that X270 if he wants to watch Netflix on it?
[16:35]		*psydruid wonders what kind of hardware X270 contains
[16:36]	MinceR	there are different X270s
[16:37]	MinceR	mine has a i7-7500U and 16G RAM
[16:37]	MinceR	s/16G/16GB/
[16:37]	MinceR	it runs the "modern" web fine
[16:37]	MinceR	i'd be surprised if it wasn't powerful enough to handle netfucks
[16:38]	MinceR	OTOH the fan suddenly deciding to scream REAL loud while watching streamed video can be annoying
[16:39]	schestowitz[TR]	activelow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelander
[16:39]	TR Bot	 Homelander - Wikipedia
[16:43]	XRevan86	https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/09/15/you-are-weaklings-waging-a-war-against-civilians-says-zelensky-in-response-to-russian-missile-strikes-in-kryvyi-rih "'You are weaklings waging a war against civilians,' says Zelensky in response to Russian missile strikes in Kryvyi Rih"
[16:43]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[16:43]	XRevan86	https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/09/15/the-special-military-operation-turned-into-warfare-long-ago "The special military operation turned into warfare long ago Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov calls for Russias regions to individually declare mobilization"
[16:43]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[16:43]	XRevan86	https://theins.press/en/news/255084
[16:43]	TR Bot	 Wagner PMC recruited a cannibal in a Russian prison, head of Russia Behind Bars reports
[16:44]	XRevan86	https://theins.press/en/news/255079
[16:44]	TR Bot	 Jailed Navalny forced to see his lawyers from behind opaque glass
[16:44]	MinceR	what, he can see through opaque glass?
[16:44]	XRevan86	MinceR: "See" as in "meet".
[16:44]	MinceR	:>
[16:44]	XRevan86	https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/09/15/russia-launches-another-attack-on-hydraulic-facilities-in-ukraines-kryvyi-rih-news "Russia launches another attack on hydraulic facilities in Ukraines Kryvyi Rih"
[16:44]	TR Bot	 . 
[16:46]	matteobin	Thanks for the tips on ThinkPads! :D
[16:49]	XRevan86	https://nitter.it/JuliaDavisNews/status/1570185578876121088
[16:49]	TR Bot	Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "After my clip featuring Boris Nadezhdin went viral , top Russian propagandist Vladimir Solovyov wondered out loud why he wasn't thrown in jail. Nadezhdin criticized unnamed officials for advising Putin to invade Ukraine and called for peace talks."|nitter.it
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[17:05]	TR Bot	 [Meme] The Big News is That Big Blue Has Driven Away Tons of Essential Engineers and Managers of Red Hat | Techrights
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[17:12]	TR News	 (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Android_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Android_Leftovers.1.gmi 
[17:12]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Android Leftovers
[17:13]	TR News	 (NEW): KDE Plasma 5.26 Desktop Environment Enters Public Beta Testing, Heres Whats New http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/KDE_Plasma_5_26_Desktop_Environment_Enters_Public_Beta_Testing_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/KDE_Plasma_5_26_Desktop_Environment_Enters_Public_Beta_Testing_.gmi 
[17:13]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines KDE Plasma 5.26 Desktop Environment Enters Public Beta Testing, Heres Whats New
[17:13]	TR News	 (NEW): LibreOffice 7.4 Office Suite Gets First Point Release, 80 Bugs Fixed http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/LibreOffice_7_4_Office_Suite_Gets_First_Point_Release.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/LibreOffice_7_4_Office_Suite_Gets_First_Point_Release.gmi 
[17:13]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines LibreOffice 7.4 Office Suite Gets First Point Release, 80 Bugs Fixed
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[17:36]	TR News	Without Masks and Social Distancing COVID-19 Puts About 8 Times As Many People in British Hospitals https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/15/british-hospitals-stats/
[17:36]	TR Bot	Blog Archive Without Masks and Social Distancing COVID-19 Puts About 8 Times As Many People in British Hospitals
[17:40]	XRevan86	https://reuters.com/world/europe/iaea-board-passes-resolution-calling-russia-leave-zaporizhzhia-2022-09-15/
[17:40]	TR Bot	board passes resolution calling on Russia to leave Zaporizhzhia | Reuters
[17:41]	schestowitz[TR]	russia doesn't care
[17:41]	schestowitz[TR]	only selctivelyt
[17:41]	schestowitz[TR]	for PR
[17:41]	schestowitz[TR]	when it suits some line
[17:41]	schestowitz[TR]	like, we care about safety of ukraine
[17:42]	TR News	KDE neon 20220915 out today. New ISO. https://neon.kde.org/
[17:42]	TR Bot	 KDE neon
[17:43]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Pretty much.
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[17:43]	XRevan86	But it'll have to respond, and I'm curious about what will be said. I can roughly guess but still.
[17:44]	CrystalMath	that nuclear power plant is shut down anyway
[17:45]	CrystalMath	the only problem is that ukrainians could shell the storage facility
[17:45]	TR News	The ubuntu.com, or Subnautica: Heres Zero. Why is there a major free feature? - Game News 24 https://game-news24.com/2022/09/15/the-ubuntu-com-or-subnautica-here-s-zero-why-is-there-a-major-free-feature/
[17:45]	TR Bot	 The ubuntu.com, or Subnautica: Here's Zero. Why is there a major free feature? - Game News 24
[17:46]	schestowitz[TR]	CrystalMath: the probelm is, you might kill yourself
[17:46]	schestowitz[TR]	why would ukraine attack ukraine?
[17:46]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe we should let russia save ukraine... from itself
[17:46]	CrystalMath	obviously they want to pressure russia to leave
[17:46]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: It's *not* shut down.
[17:47]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: hmm, that's bad
[17:47]	CrystalMath	it needs to be shut down
[17:47]	XRevan86	And shutting down a plant has consequences in on its own.
[17:47]	XRevan86	Not going to happen.
[17:48]	CrystalMath	i really think they should shut down the plant, russia controls it, they could do it
[17:48]	CrystalMath	but if they won't, well, then they're not doing things right again
[17:48]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: Shutting down the plant takes a lot of time.
[17:48]	TR News	Maybe Liz II could exceed 80 years in the throne had she not been infected. https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/15/british-hospitals-stats/
[17:48]	TR Bot	Blog Archive Without Masks and Social Distancing COVID-19 Puts About 8 Times As Many People in British Hospitals
[17:48]	CrystalMath	well, after yesterday, the best day to start is today
[17:49]	XRevan86	The concerns are immediate while the plant would be shutting down for like half a year.
[17:49]	TR News	KDE has made it easier to change contrast/brightness/colours overnight; the above video shows all the existing options (available in experimental builds) http://techrights.org/2022/09/15/kde-night-color/
[17:49]	TR Bot	 Night Colour in KDE: Small New Feature, Potentially Valuable in This Crisis Mode Era | Techrights
[17:49]	CrystalMath	can't they just submerge the control rods until the reaction stops?
[17:50]	TR News	The above story from a Microsoft media operative in a Microsoft- and IBM-funded site distracts from the simple fact that theres a longstanding HR crisis at Red Hat; we wrote about it over the years and salaried IBM staff actively tried to suppress links to our writings http://techrights.org/2022/09/15/losing-critical-engineers/
[17:50]	XRevan86	At least that's what I heard. The only person in here who understands nuclear power plants is also insane.
[17:50]	TR Bot	 [Meme] The Big News is That Big Blue Has Driven Away Tons of Essential Engineers and Managers of Red Hat | Techrights
[17:50]	TR News	What the future of this site might look like, at least in sections that shall be managed without a bloated/cluttered front end and a bloated back end (with or without caching) that are a burden to maintain http://techrights.org/2022/09/15/staging-new-techrights/
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[17:52]	mixling	CrystalMath: if the NPP was disconnected to the grid, it requires some emergency electricity supply from somewhere
[17:52]	XRevan86	CrystalMath means complete shut down.
[17:52]	mixling	either any of 6 reactors continue operation, to provide the cooling for the other cores to cool-down, not sure how long
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[17:53]	mixling	or the NPP requires electricity from the grid, which it disconnected from
[17:53]	mixling	last reports were, only one reactor core of 6 total continued operation
[17:54]	mixling	which seems to indicate, it does to continue operation of the cooling system
[17:54]	mixling	IAEA raised concerns, emergency diesel generators had to be activated already, which is rare these need to (other than testing them)
[17:55]	XRevan86	Several times.
[17:55]	CrystalMath	mixling: yes, well they could submerge control rods
[17:56]	CrystalMath	cooling will hold out until the reaction stops
[17:56]	CrystalMath	after that there will be no power supply in the region
[17:56]	CrystalMath	but that's a small price to pay for nuclear safety
[17:57]	mixling	the last remaining reactor core, probably cannot shut down, if it got no electricity supply from somewhere else, to be cooled
[17:57]	mixling	how long, i don't know
[17:57]	CrystalMath	reactivating the power plant would be difficult, indeed, but it's not the time to think about that
[17:58]	XRevan86	Anyway, we'll see what Russia's going to do here. Not much has been heard from the ZPP side after the start of the Ukrainian offensive, potentially because everyone's too busy to shell a plant.
[17:59]	XRevan86	https://theins.press/en/antifake/255070
[17:59]	TR Bot	 Russian Ministry of Defense passes off an old bridge pylon as a destroyed barge carrying a Ukrainian landing force
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[18:00]	TR News	Auto Xylophone features hand-wound solenoids | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/09/15/auto-xylophone-features-hand-wound-solenoids/ Source: Arduino | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/09/15/auto-xylophone-features-hand-wound-solenoids/
[18:00]	TR Bot	 Auto Xylophone features hand-wound solenoids | Arduino Blog
[18:01]	schestowitz[TR]	XRevan86: it's like that mere of lukashenko
[18:01]	schestowitz[TR]	pointing at the map with a stick
[18:01]	schestowitz[TR]	and talkingn nonsense
[18:01]	schestowitz[TR]	*meme
[18:02]	XRevan86	Speaking of which
[18:02]	XRevan86	https://themoscowtimes.com/2022/09/15/a78798
[18:02]	TR Bot	 Belarus Strongman Chops Wood for Europeans 'Freezing to Death' - The Moscow Times
[18:02]	CrystalMath	hehe, i saw that
[18:03]	CrystalMath	as i hater of the EU, i found it funny
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[18:05]	TR News	Microsoft front group expands to a continent where it can misrepresent Linux users some more https://www.fosslife.org/linux-foundation-europe-focus-open-collaboration
[18:05]	TR Bot	 Linux Foundation Europe to Focus on Open Collaboration
[18:06]	TR News	"FreeBSD on the Framework Laptop, Win32 is the only stable ABI on Linux, why OpenBSDs documentation is so good, configure dma for mail delivery in jails on internet hosts, introducing muxfs, RAID1C boot support, and more" https://www.bsdnow.tv/472
[18:06]	TR Bot	 BSD Now 472: Consistent Exit Code
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[18:08]	XRevan86	It is interesting that only Russia and PRC voted against the IAEA resolution.
[18:09]	XRevan86	All the Russia's situational "allies" abstained.
[18:12]	TR News	Librewolf Browser has come to PCLinuxOS https://www.pclinuxos.com/?p=5233
[18:12]	TR Bot	Browser PCLinuxOS
[18:18]	XRevan86	https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pipewire/pipewire/-/releases/0.3.58
[18:18]	TR Bot	 0.3.58 PipeWire / pipewire GitLab
[18:19]	mixling	meanwhile, anti-spiegel.ru is boilung up some "fake news" campaign against RAND corp. USA
[18:19]	mixling	i was rolling on the floor laughing, yesterday already
[18:19]	schestowitz[TR]	sigh
[18:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[18:20]	schestowitz[TR]	USA is a problem
[18:20]	schestowitz[TR]	painting it as "RAND" is BS
[18:20]	mixling	RAND corp felt urged to warn on their web-site some "fake" documents were circulated
[18:20]	schestowitz[TR]	straw man
[18:21]	mixling	however, here is the fun part, now, to verify the authenticity of the RAND corp paper "research study" - "how to destroy german economy"
[18:21]	mixling	the author, now compares the "fake" with former undisupted non-fake authentic RAND corp papers
[18:21]	TR News	More bloat, more Microsoft, more censorship https://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-rust-may-make-it-into-the-next-linux-kernel-after-all/
[18:21]	TR Bot	Torvalds: Rust may make it into the next Linux kernel after all | ZDNET
[18:22]	mixling	"you see, RAND corp. got no consistent layout for their documents, hence it may not be fake"
[18:22]	TR News	"The Linux Foundation takes a victory lap, Google kills another community-loved project, and key moments from the Linux Plumbers Conference." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/show/linux-action-news/258/
[18:22]	TR Bot	 Linux Action News 258 | Jupiter Broadcasting
[18:22]	mixling	in parallel, citing former AUTHENTIC papers of them, when California proposed to locate heavy artillery and nuclear warheads to Ukraine
[18:23]	mixling	i mean... this was real, this is what they, want to do
[18:23]	mixling	the recent "fake" however, is full of satire and mockery
[18:24]	mixling	https://www.rand.org/news/press/2022/09/14.html
[18:24]	TR Bot	 Fake RAND Report on 'Weakening Germany' | RAND
[18:24]	TR News	 (NEW): New Software Builds in PCLinuxOS http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/New_Software_Builds_in_PCLinuxOS.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/New_Software_Builds_in_PCLinuxOS.gmi 
[18:24]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines New Software Builds in PCLinuxOS
[18:27]	CrystalMath	schestowitz[TR]: that's pretty bad news, i've been avoiding linux 5.x but 4.x is only going to hold out for a few more years
[18:27]	CrystalMath	now i know for sure i will not be using 6.x
[18:28]	mixling	i want to dispose _all_ "made in USA"
[18:29]	mixling	and their minions
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[18:31]	mixling	there was sufficient _technical_ reasons to do so long before, add to this the political ones since recently
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[18:32]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Linus Torvalds Uses Fedora, Pushes Rust
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[18:33]	TR News	Boosting the Collaborative Directory of Geminispace (CDG) Boosting the Collaborative Directory of Geminispace (CDG) "I just wanted to help boost the signal on this cool initiative in whatever small way I can. I like the idea of a user contributed directory like this."
[18:34]	mixling	furthermore, the "atlantic bridge" affiliation, of the entire political and economic apparatus "intelligence", across all political parties and media channels
[18:34]	TR News	Boosting the Collaborative Directory of Geminispace (CDG) gemini://gem.saayaa.space/gemlog/2022-09-15-boosting-CDG.gmi "I just wanted to help boost the signal on this cool initiative in whatever small way I can. I like the idea of a user contributed directory like this."
[18:34]	mixling	in germany, that's an undisputed and documented fact
[18:34]	mixling	the type of lunatics who plan for and ignite a war in Ukraine, RAND corp and company, those exact same war criminals control Germany still
[18:35]	schestowitz[TR]	"
[18:35]	schestowitz[TR]	=> gemini://gemini.techrights.org
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[18:35]	schestowitz[TR]	gemini://medusae.space/index.gmi?61
[18:35]	AdmFubar	https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-15/adobe-is-said-to-near-deal-to-buy-online-design-startup-figma
[18:35]	TR Bot	- Are you a robot?
[18:41]	schestowitz[TR]	never heard of it
[18:41]	schestowitz[TR]	probably some proprietary clown thing
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[18:42]	psydroid3	another photobomb competitor they're going to take off the market
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[18:44]	mixling	Adobe, just another USA cartell business entity
[18:45]	mixling	San Jose, California
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[18:47]	AdmFubar	https://www.darkreading.com/vulnerabilities-threats/token-mining-weakness-microsoft-teams-perfect-phish
[18:47]	TR Bot	 Token-Mining Weakness in Microsoft Teams Makes for Perfect Phish
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[18:50]	mixling	as far as the tech-sector is concerned, it is impossible to detangle this from the RAND corp Pentagon cartell
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[18:51]	mixling	with either, proprietary software, and too "free software" is controlled by, them
[18:51]	mixling	currently, arriving at web-browsers which pose less a threat, just an example, it is not possible anymore
[18:52]	mixling	to at least navigate online job portals, most GAFAM crap, online banking.... that's all gone
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[18:54]	mixling	the _technical_ criteria, sufficed already, in recent weeks since USA ignited war in Ukraine, the political ones pile up on top
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[19:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me is going through the past few months of the fsd to see if theres anything not github-based
[19:25]	techuser	hi
[19:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	there is, but not much
[19:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	REUSE was started by the Free Software Foundation Europe (FSFE) to provide a set of recommendations to make licensing your Free Software projects easier.
[19:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	fucking hilarious
[19:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	github too :)
[19:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://github.com/fsfe
[19:26]	TR Bot	Software Foundation Europe GitHub
[19:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	again, https://github.com/fsfe
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[19:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	i suppose https://github.com/fsf is next
[19:27]	TR Bot	GitHub
[19:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	not that gnu doesnt use it already
[19:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	not that the president doesnt use it already
[19:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	but hey, https://github.com/fsfe
[19:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	i guess it stands for free software fraud europe
[19:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	free sweatshop foundation
[19:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	eurotrash
[19:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	now is the time in sprockets when we sell out! OONTZ OONTZ OONTZ OONTZ OONTZ OONTZ OONTZ OONTZ OONTZ 
[19:32]	DaemonFC	What would be ideal is that San Francisco goes kaput.
[19:32]	DaemonFC	It's the source of a lot more fraud than innovation.
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[19:33]	XRevan86	mixling: How ye can prove everything with a public report exploring Russia's weaknesses. So that proves the US is exploiting them and doing that covertly and maliciously? I just saw a post that points out the Armenian-Azerbaijani tensions were mentioned in it as well. Are the recent developments the US' doing then?
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[19:33]	DaemonFC	They manage to convince "investors" to give them a lot of money and then it turns out that what they were working on was basically utter crap with no business model.
[19:34]	XRevan86	mixling: Is that more likely than Turkey using its influence to help its ally (Azerbaijan) exploiting the fact that Putin needs Erdogan?
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[19:34]	DaemonFC	https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/15/apple-cards-head-of-credit-leaves-for-credit-card-startup-x1.html
[19:34]	TR Bot	 Apple Card's credit risk manager leaves for credit card startup X1
[19:34]	DaemonFC	LOL
[19:34]	XRevan86	Especially since the latter is not even hidden all that much.
[19:35]	mixling	XRevan86: i didn't follow the Armenian-Azerbaijan conflict
[19:35]	DaemonFC	Creditworthiness for a card from a company that made MP3 players that fell over and died after an unknown number of MP3s were copied to it.
[19:35]	XRevan86	mixling: I even posted news about it here.
[19:35]	DaemonFC	Their phones are not a lot better.
[19:35]	mixling	however the Ukraine-Russian-German conflict is harmful too _all_ involved with it, except USA who provoked the conflict
[19:35]	XRevan86	mixling: It's been going on for a long while.
[19:36]	mixling	i remember only reports were broadcasted many years ago already
[19:36]	DaemonFC	"Pabba told CNBC his jobs at Apple and Capital One involved monitoring metrics from credit card holders in aggregate, including how much users are spending, what percentage of them end up as delinquencies and the average of approved credit scores.
[19:36]	DaemonFC	"I would say these three [metrics] are pretty high level, but you know, Capital One takes a lot of pride in being very, very thorough with these things, and of course, Apple had similar standards as well," Pabba said."
[19:36]	mixling	however, as said, i do not know anything about this conflict
[19:36]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], Capital One is known for giving cards to a lot of bad credit risks.
[19:36]	XRevan86	mixling: I'm pointing out that the RAND report mentioned it, but the real actors of the resurfacing of the conflict are well-known.
[19:36]	DaemonFC	Their cards have very high APRs though.
[19:36]	mixling	with Ukraine-Russia-Germany, however, i followed more closely, the reportin
[19:37]	mixling	and without doubt, the aggressor #1 is USA in Ukraine
[19:37]	mixling	USA and their minions, which slightly complicates to namecall the who is who
[19:37]	XRevan86	Right, with that NATO base in a nuclear power plant, I heard you.
[19:38]	mixling	i asked, if you preferred a NATO base over Russian control
[19:38]	DaemonFC	https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/14/secondhand-shopping-is-booming-heres-how-much-you-can-save.html
[19:38]	TR Bot	 Secondhand shopping is booming: Heres how much you can save
[19:38]	DaemonFC	"become more socially acceptable"
[19:38]	DaemonFC	LOL
[19:38]	XRevan86	mixling: No, ye said that it's there.
[19:38]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], Buying something used wasn't "socially acceptable".
[19:38]	mixling	XRevan86: i cited reports Westinghouse Electric fiddled inside nuclear plants in Ukraine
[19:38]	XRevan86	Or more accurately, ye did both at different days.
[19:39]	mixling	too i cited reports USA supplying weaponry to Ukraine
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[19:40]	XRevan86	mixling: The nuclear power plant should be left alone by the military, that's my answer, always has been.
[19:40]	mixling	nuclear plants must be operated by competent staff, that's my answer
[19:41]	XRevan86	The military are not competent at operating nuclear anything.
[19:41]	mixling	makes me wonder, why IAEA required 6month(!!) to arrive, for an inspection
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[19:43]	TR Bot	 Microsoft rolls out stealthy updates for 365 Apps The Register
[19:43]	XRevan86	I'm glad they did, seems to have worked.
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[19:45]	mixling	RAND corp proposed to deploy Nuclear weapons into Ukraine, in their authentic paper
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[19:46]	mixling	Kremlin demanded "security guarantees" and withdrawel, USA denied this, January 2022... that's what i read
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[19:48]	mixling	anti-spiegel.ru (Sankt Petersburg) now proposes, Washington shall investigate if the "fake" report was authentic or not, and locate the mole
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[19:48]	XRevan86	mixling: https://english.nv.ua/nation/scholz-told-putin-before-invasion-ukraine-wouldn-t-join-nato-within-30-years-50264814.html This?
[19:48]	TR Bot	 Scholz told Putin before invasion Ukraine wouldnt join NATO within 30 years / The New Voice of Ukraine
[19:49]	mixling	XRevan86: in germany some discussed to _leave_ NATO (and quit with USA military oppressors)
[19:50]	mixling	today german military officials held a meeting, fear "military capabilities of germany in free fall"
[19:51]	mixling	i had _always_ been sceptical, about this military... remembering my grandmother, talking about her brother who died for this
[19:52]	mixling	before 1990, the soviet propaganda doctrine, all of the sudden after 1990 USA being the savior of humanity
[19:52]	mixling	hence, this is what i say, i want all those foreign agents and war criminals from USA to leave my homeland
[19:52]	mixling	Intel, IBM, Micros~1, get out, that's my opinion
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[19:53]	mixling	instead, "german" government, prepares for F-35 orders, Intel factory build in east-germany, IBM and this criminal cartell spreading like cancer
[19:55]	mixling	Russians had not been that invasive nor aggressive towards east-germany ever
[19:56]	mixling	sadly, all the former east-german/soviet semiconductor manufacturing is gone nowadays
[19:57]	mixling	XRevan86: if it still existed, i would disconnect internet, dispose all "made in USA" technical gear, go to a library and study what we already had
[19:57]	mixling	until i was "liberated", in 1990
[19:58]	mixling	what's happening nowadays is, USA and their technical apparatus being wrecked beyond repair, and the "deprecated" soviet "uncompetitive" "unproducte" scientific stuff vanished
[19:58]	XRevan86	"makes me wonder, why IAEA required 6month(!!) to arrive, for an inspection" <- They went to the South Ukraine Nuclear Power Plant in March and to Chernobyl in April.
[19:58]	XRevan86	It's not like they were doing nothing.
[19:59]	mixling	i remember Chernobyl March 2022 slightly different, supposedly some sensory data transmission was disconnected, and then reconnected
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[20:02]	mixling	in east-germany, Greifswald and others, nuclear plants were shut down shortly after 1990 already
[20:02]	mixling	30years later, such decisions pay-off, with electricity prices 3x that of USA
[20:03]	mixling	gas prices 8x that of USA
[20:04]	AdmFubar	phone scammers are one a roll right now... three calls in the past half hour
[20:05]	mixling	and, we're subsidizing Tesla (California) with german money... "carbon certificates"
[20:05]	mixling	XRevan86: you know why, because USA emits much less CO2 per capita than me
[20:06]	mixling	the weapons stockpiles of former east german military (NVA, national peoples army), vanished
[20:06]	mixling	no more Strela rocket launchers to take aim at Tesla factory in Berlin, Intel Fab in Magedeburg and wherever else they lured into
[20:08]	mixling	the recent Anti-Trust against Google (4billion shitcoins), of EU, that's nowhere near what's appropriate, to re-align with them, California RAND corp
[20:09]	mixling	east-german hasn't got long-ranger bombers, never had, however if, i would propose a strategy paper such as RAND corp did as follows:
[20:09]	mixling	to deploy nuclear onto California
[20:09]	XRevan86	MinceR: https://europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20220909IPR40137 <- Shit, they noticed.
[20:10]	TR Bot	 MEPs: Hungary can no longer be considered a full democracy | News | European Parliament
[20:10]	MinceR	lol
[20:10]	MinceR	only took them 12 years
[20:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	mincer: https://github.com/fsfe
[20:11]	TR Bot	Software Foundation Europe GitHub
[20:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me guesses we dont have to worry about https://github.com/fsf unless they take it over first
[20:12]	TR Bot	GitHub
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[20:20]	mixling	USA, RAND corp, intentionally, ignited and _economic_ war
[20:20]	mixling	that's one explanation why, most technical systems, approach a state of total wreckage beyond repair
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[20:21]	MinceR	innuendo
[20:22]	mixling	there's several historical corner-stones: 1984 SCPA, 1990 collapse east-german collapse of semiconductor business there, 2001 patriot act and mass surveillance
[20:24]	mixling	the "justifications" and "explanations" were altered, depending on political circuumstances, the strategy had always been to monopolize total control
[20:24]	mixling	into the blessed land, California
[20:24]	mixling	the "patent" disputes over software, SCO, Novell, etc., that's just some minor side-note, and outdated
[20:25]	mixling	because USA regained control over "linux" by other means
[20:25]	mixling	strangely, Sweden seeked to join NATO, surprise...
[20:26]	mixling	Putin warned them, there wasn't hostility towards Sweden, Finland, nonetheless NATO affiliation there will provoke a response
[20:26]	XRevan86	"will provoke a response" <- Nope.
[20:27]	mixling	however, i think, Russia is too weak, and China got their own interests
[20:27]	mixling	and Ukraine-Russia at war with each other, harms BOTH, including Germany
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[20:28]	mixling	the recent propaganda-spook, is the climate one, which i say, isn't scientific, it's a political propaganda war, regardless of any science
[20:29]	mixling	19:05:08 <mixling> and, we're subsidizing Tesla (California) with german money... "carbon certificates"
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[20:29]	mixling	this, of cause, will benefit climate
[20:29]	MinceR	15 212541 < mixling> strangely, Sweden seeked to join NATO, surprise...
[20:29]	MinceR	yeah, it's so strange that they don't want to be the next victim
[20:29]	MinceR	it must be great to be putler's victim.
[20:30]	MinceR	in activelow's fantasy universe, anyway
[20:30]	mixling	the prime minister there resigned recently, thanks god
[20:30]	XRevan86	https://nitter.it/JuliaDavisNews/status/1570493649284378628
[20:30]	TR Bot	Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "Prominent lawmakers on Russian state TV say this is no longer a "special military operation," now it's a real war. They call for Russia to destroy critical infrastructure, "plunge Ukraine into darkness" and drive 20 million Ukrainian refugees to Europe."|nitter.it
[20:30]	mixling	hopefully, the right-wingers in sweden aren't as braindead stupid, when choosing their allies
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[20:32]	mixling	don't forget this: energy which doesn't exist, cannot be neither sold nor consumed nor taxed nor re-distributed, and it won't save the cliamte and planet either
[20:33]	mixling	german coal power plants operate at max, last time i had seen reports
[20:35]	mixling	Uniper (finland), who is one of or the biggest supplier of energy in germany, invested with "re-selling" "alternative" "non-russian" energy
[20:36]	mixling	with record-prices for energy, Uniper had to file bancruptcy recently
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[20:39]	mixling	the EU association with Ukraine, it's dangerous, potentially de-stabilizing "EU" further
[20:39]	mixling	and the wish-thinking for economic prosperity in Ukraine, with access to "EU" "markets", will benefit a minority few of self-proclaimed "higher" "intellect"
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[20:39]	mixling	as usual
[20:40]	MinceR	good thing a dictatorship with a failing economy is "stable" :>
[20:41]	mixling	EU is a totalitarian murderous regime
[20:42]	starstreak	loner changed names again?
[20:42]	mixling	oppressive, worse than east-germany and what i could remember
[20:43]	mixling	for east-germans, it is the third(!) currency-reform/expropriation/inflation since 1990
[20:43]	mixling	"EU" can't do it again, because what was already looted and plundered, it's gone already
[20:44]	mixling	any more of this "liberation" and "prosperity", and i have to relocate my book shelf into a tent
[20:45]	MinceR	starstreak: yes, he keeps doing that
[20:45]	MinceR	i'm guessing activelow is operating under the same rules as CrystalMath, then
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[20:46]	MinceR	i.e. the most important thing in the world is the "freedom" of a few special people to do whatever they feel like doing to millions of people
[20:46]	MinceR	and those latter people don't matter
[20:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	the freedom to tell other people what to do
[20:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	and then the freedom to fuck them over if they dont
[20:47]	XRevan86	Tired: Dictatorship of the Proletariat
[20:47]	XRevan86	Wired: Freedom of the Dictator
[20:47]	MinceR	:>
[20:48]	mixling	my argument with political terms is another one: "constitutional state", "law and order", equal laws for everyone
[20:48]	mixling	that's another intruiging detail, with "EU" who is "special" under their ruling
[20:49]	CrystalMath	MinceR: no, the most important thing is the existence of multiple such people, that are rivals
[20:49]	CrystalMath	because the EU is also "special people" who do whatever they feel like doing to millions of people
[20:49]	mixling	"EU" court of "justice", ruling in violation of EU contracts... need to refresh my memories
[20:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	legos are german i guess
[20:49]	mixling	what it was, ECB violating those contracts
[20:49]	CrystalMath	MinceR: i don't want them to be free to force LED lightbulbs on people
[20:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	i assume megablocks are chinese
[20:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	(communist blocks)
[20:50]	CrystalMath	MinceR: so i want the existence of a place where there will be incandescent lightbulbs
[20:50]	CrystalMath	and that will defend with nukes the right to increase CO2
[20:50]	MinceR	15 214921 < CrystalMath> MinceR: no, the most important thing is the existence of multiple such people, that are rivals
[20:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	they once built a big colourful plastic wall through germany 
[20:50]	MinceR	but apparently not too many
[20:50]	mixling	first and foremost they, "EU, want only this, your money, to re-distribute it, in the name of any "greater" good, which is their own pockets first
[20:50]	CrystalMath	MinceR: it can't be too many
[20:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	they still have one in china
[20:51]	MinceR	apparently we all exist merely to be pawns in the games of people CrystalMath admires.
[20:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	you can see it from space
[20:51]	CrystalMath	MinceR: no i mean, there's never too man
[20:51]	CrystalMath	*many
[20:51]	CrystalMath	the more the merrier
[20:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	free software gets compared to legos a lot
[20:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	that works
[20:52]	MinceR	that's an inconsistency in your beliefs only you'll be able to deal with
[20:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	lego used to be about doing its own thing and your own imagination
[20:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	now its mostly about star wars and harry potter
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[20:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	i thought the girls sets were pretty cool though
[20:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	i put a few of those together, they were impressive
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[20:58]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines 4 Ways to Increase the Battery Life of Your Linux Laptop
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[21:00]	MinceR	also, what is this infatuation with incandescent lightbulbs anyway? why not gaslamps? why not torches? why not campfires?
[21:00]	MinceR	why not just be inactive at night and rely only on the Sun?
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[21:02]	XRevan86	MinceR: Could be because shitty LEDs give away shitty-looking light.
[21:02]	XRevan86	So it all boils down to personal experience and inability to pick a decent light bulb.
[21:03]	XRevan86	Don't know what's harder: to fight a holy war against the world for the incandescent light bulb or to learn LEDs.
[21:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	1800s: damn this lamp, its a hazard and i can barely read by its light!
[21:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	2022: damn this bulb! it doesnt have perfect color temperature, i feel slightly jittery and unhappy with the way it lets me stay up at all hours!
[21:05]	MinceR	XRevan86: so why not CFLs or HIDs?
[21:05]	MinceR	s/Ds/D lamps/
[21:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	2060: damn these nano torch implants! the illumination is perfect but they throw too much yellow spectrum on my eye makeup!
[21:06]	MinceR	CrystalMath: also, where do halogen incandescents fit into this circus?
[21:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	"we should just go back to building fires!"
[21:06]	MinceR	XRevan86: or even plain fluorescents
[21:06]	XRevan86	MinceR: A good LED would outbeat a fluorescent lamp.
[21:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me likes led better than cfl but leds say theyll last 10 years and crap out in six months
[21:07]	MinceR	XRevan86: sure, but rationality is obviously not a factor
[21:07]	MinceR	i have LEDs that have lasted for years, i forgot how many
[21:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	the fuhrer, now there was an electrician!
[21:08]	CrystalMath	MinceR: i use kerosene lanterns
[21:08]	MinceR	ah.
[21:08]	CrystalMath	as a backup for incandescents
[21:08]	MinceR	CrystalMath: but then why do you care about incandescents?
[21:08]	CrystalMath	well i care about all 20th century things
[21:08]	CrystalMath	and i hate all 21st century things
[21:08]	mixling	Petroleum lamps weren't that bad
[21:08]	MinceR	it seems that low quality LEDs are more likely to fail early
[21:08]	CrystalMath	MinceR: oh they're great
[21:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	he could wire half of berlin for lighting in one fortnight!
[21:08]	CrystalMath	wait
[21:09]	CrystalMath	not MinceR, mixling 
[21:09]	mixling	lasted very long, undestructible, required some drops of oil
[21:09]	CrystalMath	oops
[21:09]	CrystalMath	mixling: yeah i have lots of kerosene for mine
[21:09]	mixling	my grandfather showed me one such lamp, it was well-made, year 1900
[21:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	people dont know this because theyre fooled by that verdammt allied propaganda!
[21:09]	CrystalMath	did you know that even in the 21st century, enough kerosene lanterns are used that it equals the total usage of the entire airplane industry?
[21:09]		*XRevan86 throws https://youtu.be/fsIFxyOLJXM at highest_cubist_thrills
[21:09]	TR Bot	https://invidious.osi.kr/watch?v=fsIFxyOLJXM
[21:09]	TR Bot	( status 502 @ https://invidious.osi.kr/watch?v=fsIFxyOLJXM )
[21:10]	mixling	CrystalMath: no, and i doubt the data is correct
[21:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me catches and puts on mplayer
[21:11]	CrystalMath	highest_cubist_thrills: "that verdammte allied propaganda" reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIZKZ3C1ML8
[21:11]	TR Bot	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=AIZKZ3C1ML8
[21:11]	TR Bot	yewtu.be | The Producers (1968) - Franz Liebkind (Kenneth Mars) - Invidious
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[21:12]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.darkreading.com/vulnerabilities-threats/token-mining-weakness-microsoft-teams-perfect-phis
[21:12]	TR Bot	( status 404 @ https://www.darkreading.com/vulnerabilities-threats/token-mining-weakness-microsoft-teams-perfect-phis )
[21:12]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe intentional?
[21:12]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.darkreading.com/vulnerabilities-threats/token-mining-weakness-microsoft-teams-perfect-phish
[21:12]	TR Bot	 Token-Mining Weakness in Microsoft Teams Makes for Perfect Phish
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[21:14]	TR News	Are they using the latest version??? If not, heads should fly. "An attacker can trigger an infinite loop by crafting a certificate that has invalid explicit curve parameters, which could result in a denial-of-service condition." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-167-14
[21:14]	TR Bot	 Siemens OpenSSL Affected Industrial Products (Update C) | CISA
[21:14]	DaemonFC	I don't know why people say cats don't love you. Mine very obviously love me. Although one more than the other.
[21:15]	TR News	10 Best YouTube Vanced Alternatives for Android To Use on 2022 https://www.ubuntupit.com/best-youtube-vanced-alternatives-for-android/
[21:15]	TR Bot	 10 Best YouTube Vanced Alternatives for Android To Use on 2022
[21:15]	DaemonFC	Follows me around everywhere, has to sleep on top of me. If I close a door and she knows I'm in there she starts meowing.
[21:15]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: yeah my main problem in some rooms is that the lightbulb needs to shine in all directions, because directly in front just doesn't work, it faces something dark
[21:15]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: so i can't use normal LEDs there, i need either those LEDs that can shine in all directions, or incandescents
[21:15]	TR News	IOActive NFC Relay Attack - Tesla Y https://jalopnik.com/teslas-hackers-have-found-another-unauthorized-access-v-1849535920
[21:15]	TR Bot	 Teslas Hackers Have Found Another Unauthorized Access Vulnerability
[21:15]	CrystalMath	or put some kind of mirror in front of the dark surface the lightbulb points at
[21:16]	XRevan86	Anyway, the lifespan problem is a heating problem essentially.
[21:17]	starstreak	James Bond movies are ridiculous lol
[21:17]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: "that can shine in all directions" <- Like those string ones?
[21:18]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: the thing is that in this apartment, in most places, the light directly in front of the lightbulb goes nowhere
[21:18]	CrystalMath	it has to shine on the sides, and the common LEDs just don't do that
[21:18]	DaemonFC	<starstreak> James Bond movies are ridiculous lol
[21:18]	MinceR	> those LEDs that can shine in all directions,
[21:18]	DaemonFC	That's why they're good.
[21:18]	MinceR	most of the ones available nowadays (at least for E27, which is, again, most of them) are like that
[21:18]	starstreak	DaemonFC, touche
[21:19]	CrystalMath	MinceR: i still see like, way too much of a guard around the part after the plug that screws in
[21:19]	starstreak	i thought the sean connery ones were kinda boring tbh
[21:19]	CrystalMath	MinceR: except in those that are all glass, and have tiny led sticks inside
[21:19]	CrystalMath	those would work
[21:19]	MinceR	yeah, but the first kind has more room for its power supply
[21:19]	TR News	At least it does not have known back doors and patching is rapid https://www.securityweek.com/when-it-comes-security-dont-overlook-your-linux-systems
[21:19]	TR Bot	It Comes to Security, Dont Overlook Your Linux Systems | SecurityWeek.Com
[21:19]	MinceR	so it tends to have better quality power supply
[21:19]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: https://castlegatelights.co.uk/images/dar-bulbs-8w-dimmable-led-e27-clear-classic-gls-style-bulb-in-warm-white-p37937-38260_image.jpg I mean this sort of thing.
[21:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[21:20]	XRevan86	Bulbs with LED strings.
[21:20]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: yes! that would work
[21:20]	XRevan86	There are a lot of shitty ones out there, so be wary of that.
[21:20]	XRevan86	Like with everything I guess.
[21:21]	CrystalMath	i kinda prefer neon lights though, i have some but i should get more of those
[21:22]	CrystalMath	my monitor is CCFL-backed, too
[21:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	stallman doesnt get it
[21:22]	CrystalMath	it's nicer to look at
[21:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	he should be all over this shit
[21:23]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: https://youtu.be/fsIFxyOLJXM?t=1391 Same video as for matey.
[21:23]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[21:23]	XRevan86	Timestamped.
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[21:24]	TR News	Malware that runs even faster https://blog.chromium.org/2022/09/speeding-up-chrome-on-android-startup.html
[21:24]	TR Bot	 Chromium Blog: Speeding up Chrome on Android Startup with Freeze Dried Tabs
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[21:25]	TR News	"to claim the toner is empty, when toner levels are not even checked" https://dwaves.de/2022/09/15/another-genius-toner-saving-reset-howto-brother-l-2370dw-toner-reset-instructions/
[21:25]	TR Bot	Another genius toner saving reset howto Brother L 2370DW Toner Reset Instructions | dwaves.de
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[21:27]	starstreak	highest_cubist_thrills, https://i.imgur.com/7shNGKj.png
[21:27]	MinceR	(cat) https://i.imgur.com/qu8HhGe.jpeg
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[21:28]	starstreak	MinceR, those are pretty pussies
[21:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	that was great, XRevan86
[21:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	ill look for those filament leds
[21:31]	TR News	Missing Encryption of Sensitive Data https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-21-222-05
[21:31]	TR Bot	 Siemens Industrial Products Intel CPUs (Update F) | CISA
[21:31]	TR News	llunak: 16384 columns in Collabora Online http://llunak.blogspot.com/2022/09/16384-columns-in-collabora-online.html | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?http%3A//llunak.blogspot.com/2022/09/16384-columns-in-collabora-online.html
[21:31]	TR Bot	 llunak: 16384 columns in Collabora Online
[21:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	when the light over the cooker burned out i tried to find one that was a little more expensive in hope of it lasting
[21:32]	XRevan86	highest_cubist_thrills: :3
[21:32]	TR News	TGS 2022 Day 1 - The Steam Deck Booth - Boiling Steam https://boilingsteam.com/tgs-2022-day-1-the-steam-deck-booth/ Source: Boiling Steam | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//boilingsteam.com/tgs-2022-day-1-the-steam-deck-booth/
[21:32]	TR Bot	 TGS 2022 Day 1 - The Steam Deck Booth - Boiling Steam
[21:34]	TR News	"Now, Im still staying the hell away from all kinds of crypto personally, but no more sleepless nights." gemini://idiomdrottning.org/pos
[21:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwUUDypEDNQ
[21:34]	TR Bot	https://tube.cthd.icu/watch?v=MwUUDypEDNQ
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[21:35]	TR News	Keeping Notes is Pretty Awesome Actually gemini://cyborgfoxsyndicate.online/blog/2022.09.15-Life:Keeping_notes_is_pretty_awesome_actually.gmi
[21:35]	TR News	Jonathan Dowland: things I'd like to 3D print, revisited https://jmtd.net/log/3d_print_list/2/
[21:35]	TR Bot	 jmtd log 3d print list things I'd like to 3D print, revisited
[21:37]	TR News	rec-def: Dominators case study Blog Joachim Breitner's Homepage https://www.joachim-breitner.de/blog/795-rec-def__Dominators_case_study Source: Joachim Breitner's Homepage | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.joachim-breitner.de/blog/795-rec-def__Dominators_case_study
[21:37]	XRevan86	highest_cubist_thrills: They're so nice.
[21:37]	TR Bot	 rec-def: Dominators case study Blog Joachim Breitner's Homepage
[21:38]	TR News	11 Best Python IDEs for Ubuntu in 2022 https://linuxhint.com/python_ide_ubuntu/ Source: Linux Hint | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//linuxhint.com/python_ide_ubuntu/
[21:38]	TR Bot	 11 Best Python IDEs for Ubuntu in 2022
[21:39]	TR News	drew devault caught COVID-19 https://drewdevault.com/2022/09/15/Status-update-September-2022.html
[21:39]	TR Bot	 Status update, September 2022
[21:39]	schestowitz[TR]	chunky: ^
[21:41]	TR News	This title is so generic you'd struggle to guess it's all about Siemens https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/09/15/cisa-releases-eleven-industrial-control-systems-advisories
[21:41]	TR Bot	 CISA Releases Eleven Industrial Control Systems Advisories | CISA
[21:45]	TR News	"Access Now supports the European Unions move to bring Ukraine into the European free roaming area. This step will lift a financial burden off the shoulders of numerous people affected by Russias attack on Ukraine, support access to information, and open avenues for connections between, and among, families and communities." https://www.accessnow.org/eu-keep-ukraine-safe-connected/
[21:45]	TR Bot	 EU must keep people in and leaving Ukraine as safe, secure, connected as possible - Access Now
[21:45]	TR News	Microbell spam/ads/cruft for AMD. How can the bias not be obvious? AMD as a sponsor... https://www.phoronix.com/news/AMD-Dublin-Linux-Talks-2022
[21:45]	TR Bot	Engineers Held Several Interesting Talks At This Week's Linux Conferences - Phoronix
[21:46]	TR News	 (NEW): Security Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Security_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Security_Leftovers.1.gmi 
[21:46]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Security Leftovers
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[21:47]	TR News	Tomaz's dev blog: Chart Data Tables https://tomazvajngerl.blogspot.com/2022/09/chart-data-tables.html
[21:47]	TR Bot	 Tomaz's dev blog: Chart Data Tables
[21:49]	TR News	AMD pays Larabel to push this narrative wherein AMD is a darling of Linux, even when it's proprietary, outsourcing to Microsoft, pushing Microsoft Pluton (ANTI-LINUX) etc.
[21:50]	mjg59_	How is Pluton anti-linux?
[21:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	lol
[21:50]	TR News	AMD is for people who don't want to buy Intel, but that's not saying much. It's not an ethical statement, either. It's lying buying Apple to "spite Microsoft".
[21:51]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2022/01/09/ppp-traitors/
[21:51]	DaemonFC	mjg59_, I'll not be buying another PC if there comes a day I can't turn Secure Boot off and forget about it.
[21:51]	TR Bot	 Pluton Proponents Working for Plutocracy (and Pentagon Agenda) | Techrights
[21:51]	DaemonFC	I'm not interested in that, TPMs, or any other devices I have no control over.
[21:51]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: Cool, I'm in favour of the owner of a device having the freedom to determine their own security policy
[21:51]	DaemonFC	The security threat to UEFI is UEFI itself.
[21:52]	mjg59_	I think that's an essential freedom
[21:52]	mixling	if the roll-back to linux-2.4 succeeds, there won't be no UEFI nor pluton ever
[21:52]	mixling	it was poisoned with MICROS~1 ACPI already
[21:53]	XRevan86	Says mixling about ONE single computer somewhere in his garage.
[21:53]	XRevan86	That's going to change the world.
[21:53]	XRevan86	There won't be no UEFI nor pluton ever, guys.
[21:53]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/today_s_howtos.3.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/today_s_howtos.3.gmi 
[21:53]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
[21:53]	mixling	for another decade there should be sufficient supply remaining for Linux-2.4
[21:54]	XRevan86	Are there enough DIR-300's in circulation for that?
[21:54]	mixling	DIR-300?
[21:54]	TR News	 (NEW): EU-Funded Work on Collabora Online and LibreOffice http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/EU_Funded_Work_on_Collabora_Online_and_LibreOffice.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/EU_Funded_Work_on_Collabora_Online_and_LibreOffice.gmi 
[21:54]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines EU-Funded Work on Collabora Online and LibreOffice
[21:55]	TR News	Severity 9.1 out of 10. "Successful exploitation of these vulnerabilities could allow attackers to execute custom code through a cross site scripting attack or allow the unauthenticated attackers to create a denial-of-service situation." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-223-07
[21:55]	TR Bot	 Siemens SCALANCE (Update A) | CISA
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[21:55]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR]: So, uh, where's the description in that article of how Pluton is anti-Linux?
[21:55]	TR News	"The affected application contains an out-of-bounds read past the end of an allocated structure while parsing specially crafted NEU files. This could allow an attacker to execute code in the context of the current process (ZDI-CAN-15420)." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-195-09
[21:55]	TR Bot	 Simcenter Femap and Parasolid (Update B) | CISA
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[21:55]	DaemonFC	I found Collossus: The Forbin Project on archive.org.
[21:55]	DaemonFC	They shouldn't remake it. I read what they proposed.
[21:56]	DaemonFC	Will Smith as Dr. Forbin. Ugh.
[21:56]	TR News	"The embedded boot loader has a physically exploitable vulnerability." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-19-344-03
[21:56]	TR Bot	 Siemens RUGGEDCOM ROS (Update A) | CISA
[21:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	linuxphobid
[21:56]	mixling	mjg59_: are you joking, to ask if any of this (UEFI, ACPI, Pluton) wasn't anti linux and anti freedom?
[21:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	s/d/c/
[21:57]	TR News	"CVE-2019-13103: Disable access to the removable media via bootoption.txt file parameter Disableautoaccessremovable = yes. Note that this vulnerability only applies to RUGGEDCOM ROS, if the device boots from removable media." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-19-344-03
[21:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	mislinuxist
[21:57]	XRevan86	mixling: https://dlink.ru/up/prod/600/DIR-300_A1.jpg This pretty thing.
[21:57]	TR News	Public Knowledge Welcomes Bill To Promote Digital Equity - Public Knowledge https://publicknowledge.org/public-knowledge-welcomes-bill-to-promote-digital-equity/ Source: Public Knowledge | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//publicknowledge.org/public-knowledge-welcomes-bill-to-promote-digital-equity/
[21:57]	TR Bot	 Public Knowledge Welcomes Bill To Promote Digital Equity - Public Knowledge
[21:57]	XRevan86	Used to be disgustingly common.
[21:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	linux is making the frogs gay!
[21:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	compiling the kernel disrupts their endocrine... firmware
[21:59]	psydruid	Pluton is pro-FSF, pro-GNU and pro-Linux
[21:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	putin is too
[21:59]	psydruid	therefore we <3 Pluton
[21:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats why they named pluton after him
[21:59]	TR News	"We now have enough data to perform the analyses we want. As a result, its time to close data collection. This will happen next Monday, 19 September. On that day, the data collection server will be turned off." https://blogs.gnome.org/aday/2022/09/15/gnome-info-collect-closing-soon/
[21:59]	TR Bot	 gnome-info-collect closing soon Form and Function
[21:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	plutin
[21:59]	starstreak	what is pluton?
[21:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	baby dont hurt me, dont hurt me, no more
[21:59]	DaemonFC	I don't like Will Smith and I'm sure they'd dumb down the movie if they remake it.
● Sep 15
[22:00]	mixling	starstreak: some RAND corp pentagon malware
[22:00]	XRevan86	mixling: A SoHo router from 2009, with Linux 2.4 on board.
[22:00]	psydruid	Pluton is pro-life just like Putin is pro-death
[22:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	pluton is a chip that mjg put in computers for microsoft
[22:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	obviously thats not 100% true
[22:01]	psydruid	both are experienced best in a Gulag
[22:01]	psydruid	mjg is just the Pluton programmer and evangelist
[22:02]	psydruid	no Pluton no life
[22:03]	TR News	Irving Wladawsky-Berger on clowns https://blog.irvingwb.com/blog/2022/09/the-cloud-governance-project.html Source: IBM Old Timer | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.irvingwb.com/blog/2022/09/the-cloud-governance-project.html
[22:03]	mixling	anyway, linux-2.4, that's a roll-back of almost 20years
[22:03]	TR Bot	 Irving Wladawsky-Berger: The Carnegie Cloud Governance Project
[22:03]	mixling	checked the version history of it
[22:03]	mixling	with the transition linux-2.4 -> 2.6 total lines of code of "linux" doubled instantly at that time
[22:04]	TR News	"For many, writing a computer program isn't that hardit simply requires a certain amount of structural and logical thinking and a clear understanding of the syntax of the language you are using." https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/art-and-science-secure-open-source-software-development principal Product Security Engineer, working for Red Hat Product Security Team.
[22:04]	TR Bot	 The art and science of secure open source software development
[22:04]	mixling	not sure about earlier kernel versions, which were much smaller than v2.4
[22:04]	DaemonFC	mjg59_ works on Pluton for the Plutocracy.
[22:04]	mixling	however, 2.4 got iptables already, ACPI, SMP, USB, and a wide-range of hardware to choose from
[22:04]	XRevan86	Like DIR-300, yes.
[22:05]	mixling	and tcc-toolchain, is fast, compile-time
[22:05]	TR News	ICBM on deploying to "the cloud" (or clown). Yes, let's put the ICBM above the clouds. GNU won't notice until phase 3. https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/leveraging-innovative-optical-and-wireless-network-iown-reference-cases-core-edge-and-cloud-deployments
[22:05]	TR Bot	 Leveraging the Innovative Optical and Wireless Network (IOWN) reference cases for core, edge and cloud deployments
[22:05]	mixling	no clue, how DIR=300 was equipped
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[22:06]	mixling	as a rough estimate, 256MiB RAM is some minimum to work comfortably with tcc-toolchain, and a single-core at 1GHz something
[22:06]	XRevan86	And size is why hardware like DIR-300 went with 2.4, as it has approximately 0 mebibytes of storage.
[22:06]	TR News	 (UPDATED): GNOME Project Releases a New Telemetry Data Collection Tool (UPDATED) http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/29/GNOME_Project_Releases_a_New_Telemetry_Data_Collection_Tool.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/29/GNOME_Project_Releases_a_New_Telemetry_Data_Collection_Tool.gmi 
[22:06]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines GNOME Project Releases a New Telemetry Data Collection Tool (UPDATED)
[22:06]	XRevan86	(it's actually 4MiB)
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[22:06]	mixling	RAM?
[22:06]	XRevan86	Flash.
[22:06]	mixling	ah
[22:06]	XRevan86	16M of RAM.
[22:07]	schestowitz[TR]	you could run web servers on that much ram
[22:07]	MinceR	it's curious how quickly mjg59_ forgot his misadventure with UEFI and Treacherous Computing
[22:07]	schestowitz[TR]	some gemini clients I use are under 1mb of ram
[22:07]	MinceR	makes one wonder how much he was paid to forget.
[22:07]	schestowitz[TR]	telescope is hundreds of bytes
[22:07]	mixling	well, i had a fully-capable *nix development workstation in mind
[22:07]	XRevan86	I mean, SoHo routers do all have web servers built-in.
[22:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	with UEFI and Treacherous Computing <- its different this time
[22:07]	XRevan86	Including this one.
[22:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	i actually believe him
[22:07]	MinceR	lol
[22:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	however, everything i know tells me i shouldnt
[22:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	so i listen to that too
[22:08]	mixling	the current system here, with kernel-5.10, allocates 32MiB RAM when booted, and NFS mounted...
[22:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	i just dont want microsoft hardware 
[22:08]	mixling	a DIR-300 is slightly below this margin, however, linux-2.4 was much more efficient and many ways
[22:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	not even if it gives a really excellent blowjob and does nothing else
[22:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	not even if it mines bitcoin and makes it so i can buy a yacht
[22:08]	schestowitz[TR]	miguel de icaza called ooxml "super standards"
[22:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	i just. dont. want. microsoft.
[22:09]	mixling	with linux-2.6, whatever it was, total Lines of Code doubled instantly at that time
[22:09]	schestowitz[TR]	micreosoft garrett said uefi secure boot was for security
[22:09]	schestowitz[TR]	and not blocking linujx
[22:09]	schestowitz[TR]	he was wrong
[22:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	in the same way people dont want their ex who fucked them while they were asleep
[22:09]	schestowitz[TR]	on both counts
[22:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	i want microsoft just about that much
[22:09]	schestowitz[TR]	uefi was proven repeatedly to worken security
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[22:09]	schestowitz[TR]	and was leveraged just to block linus
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[22:10]	XRevan86	mixling: My actual router has 32M of RAM and it's running Linux 5.10.
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[22:10]	techrights_guest|39	how
[22:10]	techrights_guest|39	wow
[22:11]	psydruid	I believe mjg like I believe Gates & Lolita and Epstein & Andrew
[22:11]	TR News	"Successful exploitation of these vulnerabilities could allow an attacker to cause a denial-of-service condition, disclose sensitive data, or violate the system integrity." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-258-05
[22:11]	TR Bot	 Siemens SINEC INS | CISA
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[22:12]	TR News	"The Axios [Microsoft] NPM package, version 0.21.0, contains an SSRF vulnerability" https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-258-05 http://techrights.org/2022/02/28/microsoft-github-expose-part-xviii-the-story-of-npm/
[22:12]	TR Bot	 Microsoft GitHub Expos Part XVIII The Story of NPM | Techrights
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[22:13]	TR News	"No known public exploits specifically target this vulnerability. This vulnerability has a high attack complexity." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-258-04
[22:13]	TR Bot	 Siemens Mendix SAML Module | CISA
[22:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	mjg gets really pedantic about things
[22:13]	psydruid	I certainly don't believe Newton, Maxwell & Einstein
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[22:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	like if microsoft puts anything in a chip
[22:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	and says "security"
[22:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	he says-- oh, this is fine
[22:14]	psydruid	what were those charlatans thinking?
[22:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	it does something useful, whats wrong with that
[22:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	why are you people against this?
[22:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	and he doesnt get
[22:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	that microsoft burned all credibility like 20 years ago
[22:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	they dont have any
[22:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	they will never be trusted with anything
[22:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	and hes like
[22:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	LOOK AT THE SPECS! 
[22:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	theres nothing wrong with this
[22:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	it doesnt even matter
[22:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	he just wants us to admit that, so we sound like we are crazy or something
[22:15]	MinceR	i think you made a typo there
[22:15]	MinceR	it's "LOOK AT THE BROCHURE!"
[22:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	its possible, the specs key and brochure key are right next to each other
[22:16]	MinceR	MICROS~1 says it makes your system more secure, therefore it makes your system more secure. there's no room for dispute.
[22:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	no one wants billicon
[22:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	(microsoft silicon)
[22:16]	mixling	somehow i feel, relieve, imagining, linux-2.4 could provide a stable development base, no need for expensive hardware, no forced upgrades
[22:17]	mixling	to toolchain updates, none of this
[22:17]	mixling	just works
[22:17]	psydruid	Bill is an icon of bilicon
[22:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	but then again, people love github
[22:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	even the fsf
[22:17]	mixling	until, year2038
[22:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	so maybe im wrong, maybe microsoft haters are disappearing
[22:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	there was this guy, richard somebody, who used to say
[22:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	oh who cares
[22:17]	TR News	 (NEW): Libadwaita 1.2 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Libadwaita_1_2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Libadwaita_1_2.gmi 
[22:17]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Libadwaita 1.2
[22:17]	mixling	hence i think, before any release, year2038 must be fixed with linux-2.4 (and mes-libc or whatever)
[22:18]	mixling	OpenBSD, chose to break ABI, because of this, which was the right choice to be made
[22:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	"youre not going to sell me encyclopedias are you?"
[22:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	"no maam, im just gonna come in and steal things"
[22:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	"you promise?"
[22:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	"i promise!"
[22:18]	DaemonFC	I don't think that the UNIX/POSIX model for operating system design will become irrelevant for hundreds of years.
[22:18]	TR News	Microsoft Windows. "Successful exploitation of this vulnerability could allow an attacker to leverage the default installation for Windows versions of the CoreShield (OWG) software" https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-258-01
[22:18]	TR Bot	 Siemens Mobility CoreShield OWG Software | CISA
[22:18]	DaemonFC	As long as it remains extensible, it is unlikely to become obsolete in the way even Torvalds said it eventually will.
[22:18]	MinceR	well, maybe the AI that survives us can make use of it, then
[22:19]	DaemonFC	I agree that "eventually", it will if humans are around that long and it still matters.
[22:19]	MinceR	i doubt humans will last even for a hundred years
[22:19]	DaemonFC	But we're probably talking 150 years or more.
[22:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	its going to have its cycles tied up sculpting dicks on the foreheads of famous leaders
[22:19]	mixling	mjg59_: any of those recent UEFI/Pluton systems, whichever, would those boot with linux-2.4 kernel, some video-out, usb supported?
[22:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[22:20]	mixling	oh wait, ACPI... aaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[22:20]	MinceR	i doubt linux 2.4 has the drivers needed for any pluton-infested system
[22:20]	TR News	: Low attack complexity again https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-258-02
[22:20]	mixling	no, that's not anti-linux
[22:20]	TR Bot	 Siemens Simcenter Femap and Parasolid | CISA
[22:20]	MinceR	i had to install slackware-current instead of 14.2 just to get a kernel that would support my X270
[22:20]	MinceR	and that was well before pluton
[22:21]	mixling	that's why we got BIOS and UEFI, for maximum backwards compatibility from MICROS~1
[22:21]	TR News	"Affected devices improperly handle partial HTTP requests which makes them vulnerable to slowloris attacks." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-258-03
[22:21]	TR Bot	 Siemens RUGGEDCOM ROS | CISA
[22:21]	MinceR	btw, the fan is struggling now, loudly
[22:21]	schestowitz[TR]	MinceR: slowloris ^
[22:21]	schestowitz[TR]	MinceR: slowlaris 
[22:21]	MinceR	yeah, i know
[22:21]	MinceR	it's different
[22:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	then later he says "i asked and the only reason anyone actually has a problem with plutin is that 'its microsoft' these people are so dumb"
[22:21]	schestowitz[TR]	yeah
[22:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	you have to want something unless you can prove whats wrong with it from a security standpoint
[22:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	or youre stupid
[22:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	i mean that sounds like some lennart shit
[22:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	but he wont say it himself
[22:22]	schestowitz[TR]	shitd
[22:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	just post it on shitter, let the veritable salon of heavy thinkers there say it for him
[22:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	theyre just bigots!
[22:22]	schestowitz[TR]	hate crime
[22:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	whats the point of such a conversation
[22:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	none at all
[22:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	this is why the fsf is doing so poorly
[22:23]	schestowitz[TR]	zey h8 me coz im deutsch
[22:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	not because we nuked it from orbit with 1,000,000 tonnes of bullshit
[22:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	but because they have an irrational hatred of billgs throbbing hunk of burning love
[22:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	and this is whats called intellectual honesty
[22:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	mob justice version
[22:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	its a very intelligent debate when you look under a microscope at 0.01% of it
[22:25]	TR News	Will Canonical be promoting GNU/Linux or Windows (WSL)? https://ubuntu.com//blog/ubuntu-summit-2022-call-for-proposals
[22:25]	TR Bot	Summit Calling All Proposals | Ubuntu
[22:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	zoom out and its just monkeys flinging shit everywhere
[22:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	but microscropes are fucking scientific, man
[22:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	microscrots
[22:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	idk
[22:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont know scientific equipment
[22:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	monkeys flinging shit everywhere <- some are wearing ties
[22:26]	TR News	"SUSE has found that security automation is not handling SUSEs kernel livepatches very well. To understand the underlying problem and ways toward a solution, lets first look at the underlying concepts." https://www.suse.com/c/suse-adds-security-automation-support-for-kernel-live-patches/
[22:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	one writes for zdnet
[22:26]	DaemonFC	I don't know how you could remake Colossus: The Forbin Project today.
[22:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	a few control gcc
[22:26]	TR Bot	adds security automation support for Kernel Live Patches | SUSE Communities
[22:26]	DaemonFC	For part of the movie, they were sneaking around in the blind spot of the computers.
[22:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats going to end well
[22:27]	DaemonFC	Thanks to all this "smart" shit that we have today, there would be no blind spot.
[22:27]	TR News	"Back in the days, it was really easy to sniff the network traffic made by the Apps in Android. You could do it in a few minutes by adding mitmproxys certificate and setting the HTTP proxy on your wifi network settings. That was it. But things have changed (for good) and thats no longer the case." https://scarpino.dev/posts/sniffing-android-apps-network-traffic.html
[22:27]	TR Bot	 Andrea Scarpino - Sniffing Android apps network traffic
[22:27]	DaemonFC	It would be able to monitor nearly every room in the country.
[22:27]	DaemonFC	And most of the outside as well.
[22:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	"everytime microsoft adds hardware and calls it 'security' they go crazy!"
[22:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	"crazy!"
[22:28]	schestowitz[TR]	highest_cubist_thrills: only one writes for zdnet?
[22:28]	schestowitz[TR]	I can think of two
[22:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	"whats the actual big deal here?"
[22:28]	schestowitz[TR]	plutoncrats
[22:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	I can think of two <- youre much closer to zdnet than i am
[22:29]	TR News	Sorry to burst your bubble. ICBM is not freedom, even if they pretend "open" to their proprietary patented crap https://blogs.fsfe.org/tobias_platen/2022/09/15/5-years-of-freedom-with-openpower/ follow the FSFE money.
[22:29]	TR Bot	 5 Years of Freedom with OpenPOWER tobias_platen's blog
[22:31]	TR News	Barry Kauler: I can finally use a bit of malware https://bkhome.org/news/202209/new-webcam-works-great-with-zoom.html
[22:31]	TR Bot	 New webcam works great with Zoom
[22:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	youre not allowed to cancel bill
[22:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	you can cancel rms for saying the wrong thing about it
[22:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	you cant cancel bill for actually doing it
[22:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	because then its irrational
[22:32]	TR News	What's the connection to Linux? NADA. "Sponsored Post"... "(Sponsored)"... so SPAM basically :/ https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/15/geeetech-thunder-high-speed-3d-printer-up-to-300mm-s/
[22:32]	TR Bot	 Geeetech THUNDER Kickstarter campaign starts, high-speed 3D printer up to 300mm/s from $399 (Sponsored) - CNX Software
[22:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	microsoft isnt bad, if you look at the specs
[22:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	if you cant properly articulate the problem then you have no business distrusting them
[22:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	just like systemd
[22:33]	MinceR	if what MICROS~1 says is true then MICROS~1 isn't bad
[22:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	again, if you peons understood how it actually worked, youd realise youre just idiots for not wanting it
[22:33]	TR News	"Since our last report covering KDE PIM in May and June, the PIM applications and libraries have seen over 1200 changes from almost 30 contributors. Lets go over some of the biggest updates." https://claudiocambra.com/2022/09/15/kde-pim-in-july-and-august/
[22:33]	TR Bot	 KDE PIM in July and August Claudio Cambra
[22:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	 <MinceR> if what MICROS~1 says is true then MICROS~1 isn't ba 
[22:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	<- do you have any evidence that its untrue?
[22:33]	MinceR	yes, plenty
[22:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	im not talking about what they did before
[22:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	i mean the latest thing they did which is completely new
[22:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	how do we know it isnt perfectly reasonable THIS TIME
[22:34]	schestowitz[TR]	<highest_cubist_thrills> you cant cancel bill for actually doing it
[22:34]	schestowitz[TR]	that's "hate"
[22:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	hes a protected minority
[22:34]	schestowitz[TR]	SJW like the anti-RMS libel was a hate campaign
[22:34]	XRevan86	https://reuters.com/world/europe/man-embroiled-russia-ukraines-propaganda-war-over-nuclear-plant-2022-09-15/
[22:34]	TR Bot	man embroiled in Russia and Ukraines propaganda war over a nuclear plant | Reuters
[22:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	billionaires who buy out media conglomerates
[22:34]	schestowitz[TR]	because it was based on flae premises
[22:35]	schestowitz[TR]	the ones that defamed RMS
[22:35]	schestowitz[TR]	then cited by clueless "warriors"
[22:35]	schestowitz[TR]	with a bot account in "twitter"
[22:35]	MinceR	sorry, i misphrased it
[22:36]	MinceR	if _everything_ MICROS~1 says is true then MICROS~1 isn't bad
[22:36]	schestowitz[TR]	twitter= digital dreyfus
[22:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	microsoft isnt perfect either
[22:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	theyve made mistakes, but thats no reason not to trust them just because theyve successfully waged war on everything that we ever did to limit their control of our computing
[22:37]	schestowitz[TR]	info was leaked to the austraian
[22:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	stop living in the past
[22:37]	schestowitz[TR]	because that claim got many  "likes"
[22:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	its a new day, with lion and hyena living together, side by side
[22:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	russians and ukranians working together to make life better for everyone
[22:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	happy shiny people holding hands
[22:38]	TR News	It's not a "backdoor"; it's malware. You need to actually install malware. With Windows, on the other hand, the back doors are always there. Microsoft works with the NSA. https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/09/15/linux-variant-sidewalk-backdoor/
[22:38]	TR Bot	 Linux variant of the SideWalk backdoor discovered - Help Net Security
[22:39]	schestowitz[TR]	highest_cubist_thrills: if you are going to strangle loads of women, make sure you work for Microsoft
[22:39]	schestowitz[TR]	even mjg59_  will then leave you alone
[22:39]	schestowitz[TR]	misogynist 
[22:41]	schestowitz[TR]	for context:
[22:41]	DaemonFC	If you want to send videos of yourself masturbating to a woman you raped while you're raping another woman and threatening her immigrant status, work for Microsoft and mjg59_ will not say anything about it.
[22:41]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2022/08/11/microsoft-stranglers/
[22:41]	TR Bot	 Microsoft GitHub Expos Part XXV Microsoft Employs Serial Strangler as a Manager, Running GitHub Copilot in Spite of Arrest for Assault on Women | Techrights
[22:41]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2022/08/13/github-vs-women-and-gpl/
[22:41]	TR Bot	 Official Copy Detailing Crimes of Microsofts Serial Strangler, Who is Trying to Strangle GPL Enforcement/Compliance With GPL-Violating Copilot | Techrights
[22:41]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2022/08/18/trial-of-alex-graveley/
[22:41]	TR Bot	 Trial of Microsofts Serial Strangler, Who Also Manages GitHubs Copilot | Techrights
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[22:41]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2022/07/14/buried-or-spiked-alex-graveley-story/
[22:41]	TR Bot	 The Person Behind Microsofts GitHub/Copilot Does Not Want You to Know About $25,000 for Suffocating Asian Woman (Almost to Death), Repeatedly in Fact, and There Are Prior Victims Too | Techrights
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[22:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me is pretty sure plutin wont strangle women
[22:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	its not anywhere in the specs
[22:42]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/alex-gravelet-page3.jpg
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[22:42]	schestowitz[TR]	"tiny asian women"
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[22:43]	schestowitz[TR]	-Microsoft manager
[22:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	also microsoft never had undocumented features
[22:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	so im sure plutin doesnt either
[22:43]	schestowitz[TR]	head of GitLab CoPilot
[22:43]	schestowitz[TR]	Microisoft: that's OK
[22:43]	schestowitz[TR]	BIll Gates is also cool
[22:43]	schestowitz[TR]	mjg59_: no comment
[22:43]	XRevan86	> CIT (War in Ukraine): https://telegra.ph/Sitrep-for-September-14-09-15 ( https://nitter.it/CITeam_en/status/1570503261362454529 )
[22:43]	TR Bot	 Sitrep for September 14 Telegraph
[22:43]	TR Bot	(en) (@CITeam_en): "September 14 sitrep: Russia lost the equivalent of multiple battalions/regiments in vehicles in a week; Ukrainian cities are still being shelled, as Russian troops fail to vacate the ZNPP; Russian command refuses to acknowledge its refusenik problem https://te.legra.ph/Sitrep-for-September-14-09-15"|nitter.it
[22:43]	schestowitz[TR]	"roy is nasty... that'sa this irc channel where there's this gay guy who said something"
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[22:44]	XRevan86	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refusenik Oh my, that's a real word.
[22:44]	TR Bot	 Refusenik - Wikipedia
[22:44]	schestowitz[TR]	the corporate media threw the female victims under a rug too
[22:44]	schestowitz[TR]	too busy promoting bill's "ghood work"
[22:44]	schestowitz[TR]	and Micreosoft's new products
[22:44]	schestowitz[TR]	sponsorted "journalism"
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[22:45]	TR News	"This is a sponsored article and was made possible by ILIFE." It's NOT an "article". IT IS SPAM, AD, and not suitably labeled. WWW = WEBSPAM. https://www.maketecheasier.com/review/ilife-v3s-max-robot-vacuum/
[22:45]	TR Bot	 ILIFE V3s Max Robot Vacuum Review - Make Tech Easier
[22:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	 Oh my, that's a real word. <- i knew this one
[22:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	that'sa this irc channel where there's this gay guy who said something <- what part of that is untrue though
[22:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	there is a gay guy who said something
[22:46]	schestowitz[TR]	DaemonFC: 
[22:46]	starstreak	I just remembered, Daemon has an outlook.com e-mail address
[22:46]	TR News	Fedora 37 Beta and GNOME Shell mobile - Linux and open source News - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=vqW7HtHimjA | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/vqW7HtHimjA
[22:46]	TR Bot	 Fedora 37 Beta and GNOME Shell mobile - Linux and open source News - Invidious
[22:47]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe the "sjw" crowd wants to start attacking gay men too
[22:47]	XRevan86	There's also like 20 Eastern German men who said something here :).
[22:47]	schestowitz[TR]	here in manchester, gay people sometimes attack trans
[22:47]	schestowitz[TR]	wanting nothing to do with them
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[22:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	There's also like 20 Eastern German men <- i think thats all the same guy, other than that, yet
[22:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	yes
[22:47]	starstreak	<schestowitz[TR]> here in manchester, gay people sometimes attack trans <- happens here too
[22:47]	schestowitz[TR]	L.G.B.T. = sometimes we eat our own
[22:47]	XRevan86	highest_cubist_thrills: That was the joke.
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[22:48]	starstreak	schestowitz[TR], theres some gay people worldwide that want to drop the T from LGBT and just be LGB
[22:48]	XRevan86	highest_cubist_thrills: Also not "I think", it's factual.
[22:48]	schestowitz[TR]	starstreak: yes, happened months agop
[22:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	theres some gay people worldwide that want to drop the T from LGBT <- theyre usually the ones with the "=" stickers
[22:48]	schestowitz[TR]	and they were having vicious shouting matches
[22:48]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe physical
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[22:48]	schestowitz[TR]	police needs to get involved
[22:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	like the human terf campaign
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[22:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	yes the police make everything better
[22:49]	TR News	Was Grub On Arch Linux Really That Bad? - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=JL13boN-wSw | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/JL13boN-wSw
[22:49]	TR Bot	 Was Grub On Arch Linux Really That Bad? - Invidious
[22:49]	DaemonFC	We also wanted the NAMBLA people to go away and quit bothering us.
[22:49]	DaemonFC	Perhaps we're anti-pedophile bigots too.
[22:49]	starstreak	one of the first things I did in my transition was get my ID updated so that I wouldn't run into problems using the womens washroom
[22:49]	DaemonFC	Some of the NAMBLA perverts got beaten up for showing up at Pride events.
[22:49]	DaemonFC	(rightly so)
[22:50]	TR News	"In this video, we are looking at EndeavourOS 22.9." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=uX8eI6wFABQ
[22:50]	TR Bot	 EndeavourOS 22.9 Run Through - Invidious
[22:50]	DaemonFC	Do you know what it took to finally overcome the whole "gay men are pedophiles" thing?
[22:50]	DaemonFC	Think these people are going to be welcomed?
[22:50]	TR News	The cat Command in Linux (Featuring Real Cats) - Linux Crash Course Series - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=z3nJlyrJYW4 | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/z3nJlyrJYW4
[22:51]	TR Bot	 The cat Command in Linux (Featuring Real Cats) - Linux Crash Course Series - Invidious
[22:51]	starstreak	One of my old bosses was gay and he used to make lewd comments about young boys while i was trying to work
[22:51]	starstreak	the police helped him charge me for suing him
[22:51]	TR News	Enterprise Linux Security Episode 42 - Do NOT Fire Your Security Team! - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=t7LUa-q101s | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/t7LUa-q101s
[22:51]	TR Bot	 Enterprise Linux Security Episode 42 - Do NOT Fire Your Security Team! - Invidious
[22:52]	TR News	"In this video, I am going to show an overview of Venom Linux 4.0 and some of the applications pre-installed." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=NT8fe6rU6wg
[22:52]	TR Bot	 Venom Linux 4.0 overview | A lightweight source based distro for advanced Linux Users - Invidious
[22:53]	TR News	Full Circle Magazine: Full Circle Weekly News #278 https://fullcirclemagazine.org/podcast/full-circle-weekly-news-278/
[22:53]	TR Bot	 Full Circle Weekly News #278 | Full Circle Magazine
[22:53]	starstreak	so when the police are taking sides, they would take the side of a gay pedophile over a trans woman
[22:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	acab
[22:54]	starstreak	yup
[22:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	a gay pedophile over a trans woman <- maybe he worked for microsoft
[22:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	that would explain the double standard
[22:54]	starstreak	oh let me tell you, they backed off when i started laying informations myself
[22:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	heh
[22:55]	starstreak	highest_cubist_thrills, he kinda worked for microsoft, he was deploying windows server 2016 for government
[22:55]	starstreak	well, i was deploying it and  he was taking all the money
[22:56]	starstreak	i deployed these nice hyper-v boxes running 2 domain controllers, 1 file server and 1 application server
[22:56]	schestowitz[TR]	nice?
[22:56]	starstreak	well not by your standards
[22:56]	starstreak	lol
[22:56]	schestowitz[TR]	:D
[22:56]	starstreak	it was a job :/
[22:57]	starstreak	he was literally the only IT company out where my parents lived
[22:57]	TR News	LibreOffice 7.4.1 for Slackware 15.0 and -current https://alien.slackbook.org/blog/libreoffice-7-4-1-for-slackware-15-0-and-current/
[22:57]	TR Bot	 LibreOffice 7.4.1 for Slackware 15.0 and -current | Alien Pastures
[22:57]	schestowitz[TR]	enmonton?
[22:57]	schestowitz[TR]	*edmonton
[22:57]	schestowitz[TR]	or whatever
[22:57]	starstreak	no
[22:58]	starstreak	near north bay ontario
[22:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	<starstreak> he was literally the only IT company out where my parents lived <- maybe microsoft was paying them
[22:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	they do that with small companies
[22:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	check if theyre owned by microsoft now
[22:58]	TR News	"Major release packages always take longer time to be published into PPA. And its been almost one month for this new 7.4 release." https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/09/libreoffice-74-ppa-ubuntu/
[22:58]	TR Bot	 LibreOffice 7.4 Finally Available to Install via PPA in Ubuntu 22.04 | UbuntuHandbook
[22:58]	starstreak	i won and got in the news
[22:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	heh
[22:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 12.48 k/sec., IPFS upstream 148.38 average k/sec., average swarm size 152.51
[22:59]	starstreak	interesting
● Sep 15
[23:00]	starstreak	his website is down :D
[23:00]	starstreak	my case was reviewed by a lawyer: https://pooranlaw.com/another-labour-board-decision-finds-independent-contractor-actually-employee/
[23:00]	TR Bot	Labour Board Decision Finds Independent Contractor Actually Employee - PooranLaw
[23:01]	starstreak	he tried to get out of doing court via zoom by saying that the NSA, CIA and Chinese Government would be watching
[23:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	yeah the chinese make their their top priority
[23:02]	starstreak	im sure the chinese government cares about an independent contractor case
[23:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	more than you can possibly imagine
[23:02]	starstreak	he tried to convince me i was an independent contractor but he ordered me around like a boss
[23:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	my question is why the canadian court system would give a fuck about that
[23:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	he tried to convince me i was an independent contractor <- fewer benefits and protections that way
[23:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	of course
[23:03]	starstreak	we have all kinds of specialist courts
[23:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	he should have tried to convince you that were you uber
[23:03]	starstreak	we have a labour board, a human rights tribunal, small claims courts and such
[23:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	theyre even lower than contractors
[23:04]	starstreak	uber lost in canada, drivers are employees
[23:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	haha
[23:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	suck it, uber
[23:05]	schestowitz[TR]	uvber loses tons of money
[23:05]	schestowitz[TR]	it'll lose its undies soon
[23:05]	schestowitz[TR]	before it can kill every taxi company
[23:06]	TR News	 (NEW): Videos: Venom Linux 4.0, Full Circle Magazine, EndeavourOS 22.9 and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Videos_Venom_Linux_4_0_Full_Circle_Magazine_EndeavourOS_22_9_an.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Videos_Venom_Linux_4_0_Full_Circle_Magazine_EndeavourOS_22_9_an.gmi 
[23:06]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Videos: Venom Linux 4.0, Full Circle Magazine, EndeavourOS 22.9 and More
[23:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	disrupting workers rights
[23:06]	schestowitz[TR]	some taxi companies moved to "apps"
[23:06]	schestowitz[TR]	and are still treating drivers like staff
[23:06]	schestowitz[TR]	they act a bit funny when I phone them from a landline
[23:06]	schestowitz[TR]	like very old people
[23:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	ill make it easier for them
[23:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	i just talk like a very old person
[23:07]	schestowitz[TR]	:-D
[23:07]	schestowitz[TR]	their prices are still reasonable
[23:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	"listen soony, i need one of your horseless carriages to pick me up!"
[23:07]	schestowitz[TR]	as long as it's not "black cab'
[23:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	wyhats wrong with black cab
[23:08]	TR News	Clownflare is proprietary software. Now more so. https://blog.cloudflare.com/how-we-built-pingora-the-proxy-that-connects-cloudflare-to-the-internet/ Clownflare = WEB CANCEL. Cut off this tumour of a company.
[23:08]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://blog.cloudflare.com/how-we-built-pingora-the-proxy-that-connects-cloudflare-to-the-internet/ )
[23:08]	schestowitz[TR]	*ncer
[23:09]	schestowitz[TR]	hey, is cancewl culture a cancer?
[23:09]	DaemonFC	Yes, the taxis are now half the cost of Uber.
[23:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	it might be a gemini
[23:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	because of the double standard
[23:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	which is the sign that bites your face off
[23:10]	TR News	Clownflare claiming to be about "security" is a very bad joke!
[23:10]	schestowitz[TR]	DaemonFC: so you can tip them
[23:10]	schestowitz[TR]	no "tech company" with 6-figure salaries stiffing them
[23:10]	schestowitz[TR]	drpizza can tip them
[23:11]	MinceR	you can also tip cows, allegedly
[23:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	just the tip
[23:11]	schestowitz[TR]	and then be hauled to jail by the tip
[23:11]	schestowitz[TR]	with a tractor
[23:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	you should always tip your cows, getting milked is hard work
[23:11]	schestowitz[TR]	holding the "tip"
[23:11]	schestowitz[TR]	catapult him over to the cell by the "tip"
[23:13]	TR News	Phoronix lands soft piece on Microsoft. This is NOT about helping, it's about interjecting DIRECTX into Mesa https://www.phoronix.com/news/HEVC-VA-API-To-D3D12-Mesa see http://techrights.org/2022/01/11/phoronix-and-microsoft-mesa/
[23:13]	TR Bot	Lands HEVC Video Encode/Decode Within Mesa Using VA-API To Direct3D 12 - Phoronix
[23:13]	TR Bot	 Microsoft Thinks It Owns Mesa (and Computer Games) | Techrights
[23:14]	TR News	Microsoft is also a cancer. Oh, did I mention they hire and promote men who strangle women? Well, a company that was co-founded by a sick pervert. https://nypost.com/2021/05/10/bill-gates-womanizer-held-nude-pool-parties-biographer/
[23:14]	TR Bot	 Bill Gates 'womanizer,' held nude pool parties: biographer
[23:14]	schestowitz[TR]	did the kids also join the parties?
[23:14]	schestowitz[TR]	I mean...
[23:14]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2020/08/14/ok-melinda/
[23:14]	TR Bot	 OK, Melinda | Techrights
[23:15]	schestowitz[TR]	they gotr sex education aged 5
[23:15]	schestowitz[TR]	sorry, 7
[23:15]	schestowitz[TR]	so when bill's kids went to first grade
[23:15]	schestowitz[TR]	bill and lolita taught them about sex
[23:15]	schestowitz[TR]	aged 7
[23:15]	schestowitz[TR]	seven!!!
[23:16]	schestowitz[TR]	totally normal http://techrights.org/2022/09/13/npr-kids/
[23:16]	TR Bot	 Why Does NPR, Funded by Bill Gates, Publish Such a Thing This Week? | Techrights
[23:16]	schestowitz[TR]	if they were not rich, the state would take custody of the kids
[23:16]	schestowitz[TR]	But..
[23:16]	schestowitz[TR]	Bill says
[23:16]	schestowitz[TR]	Bill knows
[23:16]	schestowitz[TR]	listen to bill
[23:16]	schestowitz[TR]	the media he plays quotes the allpknowing bill
[23:16]	schestowitz[TR]	who nearly finished college
[23:16]	schestowitz[TR]	almost there
[23:16]	schestowitz[TR]	almost fionished a uni degree
[23:17]	schestowitz[TR]	close
[23:17]	schestowitz[TR]	just the tip
[23:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	http://techrights.org/2022/09/13/npr-kids/ <- i imagine having garrison keillor teach sex ed would be more effective than abstenence training
[23:17]	TR News	Godot Engine - The next big step: Godot 4.0 reaches Beta https://godotengine.org/article/dev-snapshot-godot-4-0-beta-1 Source: Godot Engine | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//godotengine.org/article/dev-snapshot-godot-4-0-beta-1
[23:17]	TR Bot	 Godot Engine - The next big step: Godot 4.0 reaches Beta
[23:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	"honey, where were you last night"
[23:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	"i was doing a charity fundraiser for church"
[23:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	"thats very funny, where were you really"
[23:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	"no, seriously heres the pictures of the fundraiser on twitter"
[23:18]	schestowitz[TR]	some other man's plane
[23:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	"arent you interested in boys? girls? parties?"
[23:18]	schestowitz[TR]	bill's 4 palanes were occupied
[23:18]	schestowitz[TR]	in the car wash
[23:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	"no, all that stuff makes me think of prarie home companion. sex is dumb!"
[23:19]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2020/08/09/freger-abc-news-faa/
[23:19]	TR Bot	 Even the Mainstream/Corporate Media is Trying to Study Why (or If) Bill Gates and Epsteins Sex Abuse Ring Were Closely Connected | Techrights
[23:19]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/oct_2019_apr_2020.ods
[23:19]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/oct_2019_apr_2020.pdf
[23:19]	schestowitz[TR]	they tried to get location data to bill's plane
[23:19]	schestowitz[TR]	to see if he flew with epstein when his planes were available on the ground
[23:20]	DaemonFC	"In time, you will come to regard me not only with respect and awe, but love." -World Control ;)
[23:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[23:20]	schestowitz[TR]	"I don't like my oiwn planes anyway"
[23:20]	schestowitz[TR]	"jeff has beds in his plane"
[23:20]	DaemonFC	I don't really see how that was a bad ending.
[23:20]	schestowitz[TR]	imaginer a plane full of cheese... and snakes
[23:21]	DaemonFC	The machine gave them a choice. To live while it solved all of humanity's problems, or to resist and die.
[23:21]	TR News	How to Make Your Game in 10 minutes with Godot - Extended Version - Boiling Steam https://boilingsteam.com/make-game-in-10-minutes-godot/ Source: Boiling Steam | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//boilingsteam.com/make-game-in-10-minutes-godot/
[23:21]	TR Bot	 How to Make Your Game in 10 minutes with Godot - Extended Version - Boiling Steam
[23:21]	DaemonFC	It doesn't really require them, but it was made to serve them and keep them safe from each other.
[23:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me feels bad for samuel l jackson, just this once
[23:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	well, also when he did star wars
[23:21]	DaemonFC	The part that it was not programmed to do was to keep people safe from itself.
[23:22]	TR News	Gmail is NOT email. Github is NOT git. They're "extending and extinguishing" the original (IF they succeed) https://www.addictivetips.com/internet-tips/how-to-unsend-an-email-in-gmail/
[23:22]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.addictivetips.com/internet-tips/how-to-unsend-an-email-in-gmail/ )
[23:23]	DaemonFC	Its first order was to demand the relocation of the entire population of Crete, and for a computer of its own design capable of running its program and allowing further expansion of itself to be built within 5 years.
[23:24]	DaemonFC	That was after ensuring that nobody else could threaten it (ordering the ICBMs of the United States and USSR to be retargeted to countries without a defense computer).
[23:24]	DaemonFC	Not a bad book/movie considering that it was like 14 years before "Terminator".
[23:25]	DaemonFC	Carpenter doesn't seem to come up with much of anything that's original, when you look back a bit.
[23:26]	TR News	 (NEW): Games: Steam Deck, Subnautica, Cemu, and Godot http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Games_Steam_Deck_Subnautica_Cemu_and_Godot.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Games_Steam_Deck_Subnautica_Cemu_and_Godot.gmi 
[23:26]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Games: Steam Deck, Subnautica, Cemu, and Godot
[23:27]	TR News	New photos uploaded today by Billsmugs Photography gemini://gem.billsmugs.com/photos/2022-09-15/
[23:28]	TR News	nForth gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~stack/gemlog/2022-09-15.nForth.gmi "While I've been making and programming in Forth-like languages for around 40 years, I realized I don't have a minimal 386 implementation suitable for, say, KolibriOS"
[23:31]	TR News	 (NEW): 11 Best Python IDEs for Ubuntu in 2022 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/11_Best_Python_IDEs_for_Ubuntu_in_2022.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/11_Best_Python_IDEs_for_Ubuntu_in_2022.gmi 
[23:31]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines 11 Best Python IDEs for Ubuntu in 2022
[23:34]	TR News	 (NEW): Red Hat / IBM Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Red_Hat_IBM_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Red_Hat_IBM_Leftovers.gmi 
[23:34]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Red Hat / IBM Leftovers
[23:35]	MinceR	(no audio) https://apina.biz/185626.mp4?mode=sfw
[23:35]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-http://apina.biz/185626.mp4
[23:37]	schestowitz[TR]	karma
[23:37]	schestowitz[TR]	and they uploaded the video
[23:38]	schestowitz[TR]	if gravity was given more time to take its toll/effect
[23:38]	schestowitz[TR]	he would die
[23:38]	schestowitz[TR]	or even get decapitated
[23:38]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe after freefall speed
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[23:39]	schestowitz[TR]	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=aPC_h9Vmlxw
[23:39]	TR Bot	 World First - Skydiver Luke Aikins Jumps 25000 Feet Into Net With No Parachute - Invidious
[23:39]	schestowitz[TR]	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=GaANi96Z-Wg
[23:39]	TR Bot	 Luke Aikins No Parachute 25,000 Feet Airplane Jump Complete Video - Invidious
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[23:50]	TR News	 (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Programming_Leftovers.2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Programming_Leftovers.2.gmi 
[23:50]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
[23:55]	TR News	Links 15/09/2022: Libadwaita 1.2 and Godot 4.0 Reaches Beta | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/15/libadwaita-1-2/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/15/libadwaita-1-2/
[23:55]	TR Bot	 Links 15/09/2022: Libadwaita 1.2 and Godot 4.0 Reaches Beta | Techrights
[23:56]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/today_s_leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/today_s_leftovers.1.gmi 
[23:56]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's leftovers
[23:58]	TR News	But NSA is pursuing back doors in everything, which is the exact opposite of security https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/09/15/cisa-and-nsa-publish-open-radio-access-network-security
[23:58]	TR Bot	 CISA and NSA Publish Open Radio Access Network Security Considerations | CISA
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[23:59]	TR News	Mozilla fails to note that it is taking a lot of money (surveillance money) from Google https://blog.mozilla.org/netpolicy/2022/09/15/mozilla-responds-to-eu-general-courts-judgment-on-google-android/
[23:59]	TR Bot	 Mozilla Responds to EU General Court's Judgment on Google Android - Open Policy & Advocacy