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DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "like she fired away a spurious p"> I talked to the dispatcher.Oct 15 01:23
DaemonFC[m]She said if the police didn't contact me by now, she wouldn't worry about it.Oct 15 01:24
DaemonFC[m]They take reports for all kinds of stuff, but she didn't think that sounded actionable.Oct 15 01:24
DaemonFC[m]For crying out loud, when I went to leave, the guy walked to my car and I rolled my window down to talk to him, and then he started yelling at me and that "Ibraham" guy on the phone (in Arabic), and the maintenance guy wanted me to give him my phone. Oct 15 01:26
DaemonFC[m]I said, "No, but you may talk to your boss on the speaker if it will calm you both down.".Oct 15 01:26
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Well, not every police report number gets any attention.Oct 15 03:20
DaemonFC[m]When John was harassing  me last year I complained to the Waukegan police and they created a report number and said they'd tell him to knock it off.Oct 15 03:20
DaemonFC[m]Especially now with COVID-19, the court is probably more selective with what it brings.Oct 15 03:20
CrystalMathhey did you guys watch stallman at libreplanet online?Oct 15 03:34
CrystalMathschestowitz: you're being mean to all the other people named Vladimir now :(Oct 15 03:35
*XRevan86 doesn't get the joke.Oct 15 03:52
XRevan86Incidentally, the current president of Ukraine is also a Vladimir.Oct 15 03:54
XRevan86but they come and goOct 15 04:02
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schestowitz[03:34] <CrystalMath> hey did you guys watch stallman at libreplanet online?Oct 15 06:17
schestowitzNo, BUT...Oct 15 06:17
schestowitz1) I wondered about thatOct 15 06:17
schestowitzif there's a link to footageOct 15 06:17
schestowitz2) the 35th FSF anniversary party... he spoke there alsoOct 15 06:17
schestowitzwhere can we find footage?Oct 15 06:17
schestowitzit might be interested to hear if it wasn't some generic talk about how and why he started FSFOct 15 06:18
CrystalMathhe had some talk about the danger of zoom during covid timesOct 15 06:18
schestowitzdo we have a link?Oct 15 06:18
schestowitzwould love to rip the video and linkOct 15 06:18
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: good, so it is probably nothing to worry aboutOct 15 06:19
schestowitzunless _they made up_ stuff about what you had said and doneOct 15 06:19
DaemonFC[m]Oh, who knows? They can't prove it.Oct 15 06:20
DaemonFC[m]I wasn't there when the police arrived.Oct 15 06:20
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DaemonFC[m]The dispatcher said probably nothing to worry about if I haven't had any police interaction. She said, "They'd probably have gotten ahold of you by now.".Oct 15 06:20
DaemonFC[m]That seems to be their standard procedure, schestowitz Oct 15 06:21
DaemonFC[m]Knock and talk. You talking to them might very well be voluntary. It's a fishing expedition. Get you to hang yourself and then use that to get an arrest warrant. Oct 15 06:21
DaemonFC[m]Been there. Oct 15 06:21
schestowitzyou could always 'do a Gates'Oct 15 06:21
schestowitzrock back and forth and question the policeOct 15 06:22
DaemonFC[m]Just refuse to talk to them.Oct 15 06:22
schestowitz"what do you mean by the word X?"Oct 15 06:22
DaemonFC[m]They'll make notes about your attitude and if they think you were lying to them.Oct 15 06:22
schestowitzwell, they do need to do thisOct 15 06:22
schestowitzbecause it is effectiveOct 15 06:22
schestowitzand no need to torture peopleOct 15 06:23
schestowitzyou saw how Jones foldedOct 15 06:23
schestowitzshow evidenceOct 15 06:23
schestowitzand they foldOct 15 06:23
DaemonFC[m]I read the one after Austin beat me up. They said they felt he was being evasive.Oct 15 06:23
schestowitzeven Gates, when asked repeatedly, conceded he had written those horrible thingsOct 15 06:23
schestowitzBTW, we need to get back to the Gates and Jones thingOct 15 06:23
DaemonFC[m]First he blamed me for everything then he stopped talking and ended the interviewOct 15 06:23
schestowitz[06:08] <schestowitz>  The sooner Bill Gates'  dodgy relationship with Epstein can be exposed the better.Oct 15 06:23
DaemonFC[m]But they made note of body language and stuff.Oct 15 06:23
schestowitz[06:08] <schestowitz> Associating with anyone post paedophile convictions raises serious safeguarding concerns, most normal people,  would immediately disassociate them selves.Oct 15 06:23
schestowitz[06:08] <schestowitz> "Oct 15 06:23
schestowitz[06:08] <schestowitz> https://pleroma.site/notice/A09T1gNTUcQERyeKGmOct 15 06:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-superjogger: "@schestowitz@pleroma.site hehehe" - mas.toOct 15 06:23
schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/A09I7dpYmCjCnCQPHkOct 15 06:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-qoto.org | Paul Sutton: "@schestowitz@pleroma.site The sooner Bill Gates'…" - Qoto MastodonOct 15 06:24
DaemonFC[m]Body language can say as much as anything else.Oct 15 06:24
DaemonFC[m]When you're talking to people, try not to fold your arms across your stomach.Oct 15 06:24
DaemonFC[m]It's a defensive posture.Oct 15 06:24
schestowitzI read about that recrntlyOct 15 06:25
schestowitzwhen writing about GatesOct 15 06:25
DaemonFC[m]Don't touch your face, or look away from them.Oct 15 06:25
schestowitzbody language of lying, stressOct 15 06:25
schestowitzlike the fetal posesOct 15 06:25
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, subconsciously he was doing that because he felt threatened by the court.Oct 15 06:25
DaemonFC[m]Which was strange.Oct 15 06:25
schestowitzlol "don't suck your own finger mate!!"Oct 15 06:25
DaemonFC[m]If anything happened to Microsoft, it doesn't mean he goes to prison.Oct 15 06:26
schestowitzembarrassment for himOct 15 06:26
schestowitzit was tapedOct 15 06:26
schestowitzthe lawyer on his side, Hiner or similar IIRC (the MS lawyer), objected to the footage being releasedOct 15 06:26
schestowitzBoies, iirc, said it's up to them to decided classification laterOct 15 06:27
schestowitzthey never get arrested for anythingOct 15 06:27
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2019/07/25/microsoft-bribery-2019/Oct 15 06:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Caught Committing Yet More Bribery Crimes, But Nobody Gets Arrested | TechrightsOct 15 06:27
schestowitzbut it's about pride and wealthOct 15 06:27
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/354724Oct 15 06:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.entrepreneur.com | According to His Tweets, Bill Gates Is Way More Stressed Out Than Elon Musk (Infographic)Oct 15 06:32
schestowitzalso https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/spycatcher/201401/5-ways-body-language-can-signal-troubleOct 15 06:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.psychologytoday.com | 5 Ways That Body Language Can Signal Trouble | Psychology TodayOct 15 06:32
schestowitzChaekyung: pingOct 15 06:32
schestowitzdo you want me to reuse some questions you wrote for RMS?Oct 15 06:33
schestowitzto see if I have better luck getting them answered?Oct 15 06:33
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schestowitzLOL!Oct 15 06:42
schestowitzmy employer enrolled us all to a linux foundation examOct 15 06:42
schestowitzand... they call everything "linux"Oct 15 06:42
schestowitzeven GNUOct 15 06:42
schestowitzI'm tempted to sayOct 15 06:42
schestowitz1) this isn't "Linux"Oct 15 06:42
schestowitz2) LF is corrupotOct 15 06:42
schestowitz*corruptOct 15 06:43
schestowitzbut anyway, I can learn in that process, I supposeOct 15 06:43
schestowitzLOLOct 15 06:43
schestowitzIt's idolising TorvaldsOct 15 06:43
schestowitzas part of the courseOct 15 06:43
schestowitzwith videos of him and stuffOct 15 06:44
schestowitzthis is also entertainmentOct 15 06:44
schestowitz"You just completed the first section of your course."Oct 15 06:44
schestowitz"Since its inception in 1991, Linux has grown to become a major force in computing - powering everything from the New York Stock Exchange, to mobile phones, supercomputers, and consumer devices."Oct 15 06:44
schestowitzOh yeah... I need to learn to repeat liesOct 15 06:44
schestowitz1991Oct 15 06:44
schestowitzforget GNU :-)Oct 15 06:44
schestowitzpromotion/advertising as factsOct 15 06:45
schestowitzgotta learn to recite monopolists' lineOct 15 06:45
schestowitz"More About The Linux Foundation Events"Oct 15 06:45
schestowitzLOLOct 15 06:45
schestowitzSo part of the source is reciting 'facts' about a corrupt institutionOct 15 06:45
schestowitz"In the next chapter, you will learn about the components that make up a Linux distribution."Oct 15 06:46
schestowitzsorry, you mean GNU/Linux?Oct 15 06:46
schestowitzthey have a pictureOct 15 06:46
schestowitzand it shows only kernel1!Oct 15 06:47
schestowitz"Ubuntu has been widely used for cloud deployments."Oct 15 06:47
schestowitzClown, sorry?Oct 15 06:47
schestowitz:-)Oct 15 06:47
schestowitz"Ubuntu has been widely used for cloud deployments."Oct 15 06:48
schestowitz"Video: The Power of Linux"Oct 15 06:48
schestowitzVideo of Greg K-HOct 15 06:49
schestowitz"In 1992, Linux was re-licensed using the General Public License (GPL) by GNU (a project of the Free Software Foundation or FSF, which promotes freely available software)"Oct 15 06:50
schestowitzfreely availableOct 15 06:50
schestowitzmight be a tad misleadingOct 15 06:50
schestowitz"Note: Linux was inspired by UNIX, but it is not UNIX."Oct 15 06:51
schestowitzGNU is not UNIXOct 15 06:51
schestowitzANyway, I suppose I might have to tell lies in the exam sectionOct 15 06:51
schestowitzThen some more promotional videosOct 15 06:51
schestowitz"Suppose you have been assigned to a project building a product for a Linux platform. Project requirements include making sure the project works properly on the most widely used Linux distributions. To accomplish this, you need to learn about the different components, services, and configurations associated with each distribution. We are about to look at how you would go about doing exactly that."Oct 15 06:52
schestowitzThey call everything "Linux"Oct 15 06:52
schestowitznever a mention of GNU or anythingOct 15 06:52
schestowitzTheir diagram are always kernelOct 15 06:52
schestowitzeven when speaking about GUI stuffOct 15 06:53
schestowitz"Some of the common terms used in Linux are: kernel, distribution, boot loader, service, filesystem, X Window system, desktop  environment, and command line."Oct 15 06:54
schestowitzNo mention of all the tools that are GNUOct 15 06:54
schestowitz"distribution"Oct 15 06:55
schestowitzof what?Oct 15 06:55
schestowitzX window?Oct 15 06:55
schestowitzwhat about wayland or similar?Oct 15 06:55
schestowitz"command line"Oct 15 06:55
schestowitztoo vagueOct 15 06:55
schestowitzah, now systemd promotionOct 15 06:56
schestowitz"Oct 15 06:57
schestowitzsystemdOct 15 06:57
schestowitz            Adopted by Fedora first (in 2011)Oct 15 06:57
schestowitz            Adopted by RHEL 7 and SUSE Oct 15 06:57
schestowitz            Replaced Upstart in Ubuntu 16.04Oct 15 06:57
schestowitz"Oct 15 06:57
schestowitz"While the migration to systemd was rather controversial, it has been adopted by the major distributions, and so we will not discuss the older System V method or Upstart, which has become a dead end. Regardless of how one feels about the controversies or the technical methods of systemd, almost universal adoption has made learning how to work on Linux systems simpler, as there are fewer differences among distributions. We enumerate Oct 15 06:57
schestowitzsystemd features next."Oct 15 06:57
schestowitzSo that's how they put iotOct 15 06:57
schestowitzLF pushing systemdOct 15 06:57
schestowitzwhile ignoring the restOct 15 06:57
schestowitzthey even use a very old logo of systemdOct 15 06:58
schestowitzThey mention NTFS as FSOct 15 06:58
schestowitzlol!Oct 15 06:58
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schestowitz Now it's becoming a tad more reasonable and technical, not self-promotional crap that's misleadingOct 15 07:00
schestowitzI've been using gnu/linux for over 20 years and this thing targets newbiesOct 15 07:01
schestowitzdon't see why my employer asked me to enroll to this..Oct 15 07:01
schestowitz(everyone was)Oct 15 07:02
schestowitzthey teach  gnome-tweak-toolOct 15 07:04
schestowitzweirdOct 15 07:04
schestowitzas that's mostly like a 'hack' on too simplified gnomeOct 15 07:04
schestowitzwhich was botchedOct 15 07:04
schestowitzhad more features 15 years agoOct 15 07:04
schestowitzI'll take screenshots during the "exam"Oct 15 07:05
schestowitzto show situation where I am required to tell a lie to "pass"Oct 15 07:05
schestowitzrianne might find this useful thoughOct 15 07:06
schestowitzbut they mislead peopleOct 15 07:06
schestowitzthe LF liesOct 15 07:06
schestowitzfor monopolies and for crushing FSF/GNUOct 15 07:06
schestowitztraining people to parrot liesOct 15 07:06
schestowitz(maybe we should do an article about this, I will take screenshots as I go along)Oct 15 07:07
schestowitzThey do gnome trainingOct 15 07:07
schestowitzthey hardly ever mention of show kdeOct 15 07:07
schestowitzas they do systemdOct 15 07:07
schestowitzvery red hat-centricOct 15 07:07
schestowitz"The method is quite simple and universal in recent GNOME-based distributions.  If you click on the Power icon and hold for a short time and release, you will get the double line icon displayed below, which you then click to suspend the system."Oct 15 07:08
schestowitzGNOME... as we're done :-)Oct 15 07:08
schestowitzstill waiting for bigger faux pasOct 15 07:09
schestowitz"Each distribution implements the Nautilus (File Manager) utility, which is used to navigate the file system. It can locate files and, when a file is clicked upon, either it will run if it is a program, or an associated application will be launched using the file as data. This behavior is completely familiar to anyone who has used other operating systems."Oct 15 07:09
schestowitzNo dolphin or anythingOct 15 07:09
schestowitzamazon icon in the dashboard... stay classy, LFOct 15 07:09
schestowitzit's all gnomeOct 15 07:10
schestowitzso kde users might struggle through this course... or anything other than gnome for that matterOct 15 07:11
schestowitz"The basic operations will be the same here, whether you have a GNOME or KDE desktop, although exact procedures and choices may differ slightly."Oct 15 07:11
schestowitz"Graded assessments are available to Verified Track learners. Upgrade to unlock ($199)"Oct 15 07:12
schestowitzThey keep trying to upsellOct 15 07:12
schestowitz"For the GNOME Desktop Manager, one clicks on the upper right-hand corner and then selects the tools image (screwdriver crossed with a wrench or a gear). Depending on your distribution, you may find other ways to get into the settings configuration as well."Oct 15 07:13
schestowitzThey teach only gnomeOct 15 07:13
schestowitzwho decided to standardise on this and why?Oct 15 07:14
schestowitzshows red hat logos thereOct 15 07:14
schestowitzthe older red hat logoOct 15 07:14
schestowitzchrome icon in the dashboard, proprietary stuffOct 15 07:14
schestowitzrianne uses kde and used unity in the pastOct 15 07:15
schestowitzso for her there's a need to learn gnome just to passOct 15 07:15
schestowitzeven if she rejects gnomeOct 15 07:15
schestowitzstarted by a Microsoft mole and now Microsoft employeeOct 15 07:15
schestowitzxdpyinfo | grep dimOct 15 07:16
schestowitz  dimensions:    1920x2160 pixels (506x570 millimeters)Oct 15 07:16
schestowitzin "Network Configuration" they just teach "Network Manager" i.e. Red HatOct 15 07:17
schestowitzGUI trainingOct 15 07:17
schestowitzwelcome to Microsoft :-DOct 15 07:17
schestowitz"Each package in a Linux distribution provides one piece of the system, such as the Linux kernel, the C compiler, the shared software code for interacting with USB devices, or the Firefox web browser."Oct 15 07:18
schestowitzdoesn't say GNU c compilerOct 15 07:18
schestowitzjust linux kernel and "c compiler"Oct 15 07:19
schestowitzGNU is a bad word, or maybe they wait clang to replace it allOct 15 07:19
schestowitzTorvalds mentions GCC here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZlOCHYu1VkOct 15 07:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linus Torvalds, Linux and GNU/Linux - YouTubeOct 15 07:19
schestowitz"Chapter 6: Common Applications"Oct 15 07:21
schestowitz"Oct 15 07:21
schestowitz                FirefoxOct 15 07:21
schestowitz                Google ChromeOct 15 07:21
schestowitz                ChromiumOct 15 07:21
schestowitz                Epiphany (renamed web)Oct 15 07:22
schestowitz                KonquerorOct 15 07:22
schestowitz                linx, lynx, w3mOct 15 07:22
schestowitz                OperaOct 15 07:22
schestowitz"Oct 15 07:22
schestowitzAt least it's MOSTLY free SWOct 15 07:22
schestowitzalso Oct 15 07:22
schestowitzFileZillaOct 15 07:22
schestowitzPidginOct 15 07:22
schestowitzEkigaOct 15 07:22
schestowitzHexchatOct 15 07:22
schestowitzweird that they promote xchat with the xchat logoOct 15 07:22
schestowitzand speak of HexchatOct 15 07:22
schestowitzxchat is no longer maintained. for ages nowOct 15 07:23
schestowitzit's gnome-xchat and Hexchat, iircOct 15 07:23
schestowitz"Oct 15 07:23
schestowitzCompilers (such as gcc for programs in C and C++) for every computer language that has ever existed.Oct 15 07:23
schestowitzDebuggers such as gdb and various graphical front ends to it and many other debugging tools (such as valgrind).Oct 15 07:23
schestowitz"Oct 15 07:23
schestowitzThey mention eclipseOct 15 07:23
schestowitzno microsoft stuff so farOct 15 07:23
schestowitzSound Players:Oct 15 07:24
schestowitz"Oct 15 07:24
schestowitzAmarokOct 15 07:24
schestowitzAudacityOct 15 07:24
schestowitzRhythmboxOct 15 07:24
schestowitz"Oct 15 07:24
schestowitzAmarok in 2020?Oct 15 07:24
schestowitz"Oct 15 07:24
schestowitzLinux systems offer a number of movie players, including:Oct 15 07:24
schestowitz            VLCOct 15 07:24
schestowitz            MPlayerOct 15 07:24
schestowitz            XineOct 15 07:24
schestowitz            TotemOct 15 07:24
schestowitz"Oct 15 07:24
schestowitzMovie EditorsOct 15 07:24
schestowitz"Oct 15 07:24
schestowitzCinepaintOct 15 07:24
schestowitzBlenderOct 15 07:24
schestowitzCinelerraOct 15 07:24
schestowitzFFmpegOct 15 07:24
schestowitzthey then show an old version of GIMPOct 15 07:25
schestowitzalso names:Oct 15 07:25
schestowitzeogOct 15 07:25
schestowitzInkscapeOct 15 07:25
schestowitzconvertOct 15 07:25
schestowitzScribusOct 15 07:25
schestowitz"Linux system administrators spend a significant amount of their time at a command line prompt. They often automate and troubleshoot tasks in this text environment. There is a saying, "graphical user interfaces make easy tasks easier, while command line interfaces make difficult tasks possible". Linux relies heavily on the abundance of command line tools."Oct 15 07:26
schestowitz"By default, on GNOME desktop environments, the gnome-terminal application is used to emulate a text-mode terminal in a window"Oct 15 07:27
schestowitzonly GNOME shownOct 15 07:27
schestowitzthe image cuts off the "G" in GNUOct 15 07:28
schestowitzand it says "NU core utils"Oct 15 07:28
schestowitzlolOct 15 07:28
schestowitzcould not crop it fully from the manpage?Oct 15 07:28
schestowitzthey added the "sudo make me a sandwich" image/jokeOct 15 07:29
schestowitzhow very appropriateOct 15 07:29
schestowitzmaybe they even bought a licence for thatOct 15 07:29
schestowitzat least they say "directories" and not "folders"Oct 15 07:31
schestowitzit's all GNU commandsOct 15 07:31
schestowitzyet they never mention the word "GNU"Oct 15 07:31
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schestowitznow it's almost entirely GNU commands... under the "Linux" bannerOct 15 07:36
schestowitzthey teach red hat, suse and debian packaging systemsOct 15 07:36
schestowitz"You can use the Yellowdog Updater Modified (yum) open source command-line package management utility for RPM-compatible Linux operating systems."Oct 15 07:39
schestowitzthey moved to dnf alreadyOct 15 07:39
schestowitzand mostly standardised on it by nowOct 15 07:39
schestowitz"Access the GNU info System."Oct 15 07:40
schestowitzThey mention GNU nowOct 15 07:40
schestowitz"Oct 15 07:41
schestowitzThe next source of Linux documentation is the GNU Info System.Oct 15 07:41
schestowitzThis is the GNU project's standard documentation format, which it prefers as an alternative to man. The Info System is basically free-form, and supports linked subsections.Oct 15 07:41
schestowitzFunctionally, info resembles man in many ways. However, topics are connected using links (even though its design predates the World Wide Web). Information can be viewed through either a command line interface, a graphical help utility, printed or viewed online.Oct 15 07:41
schestowitz"Oct 15 07:41
schestowitz"Oct 15 07:42
schestowitzIn addition to the man pages, the GNU info System, and the help command, there are other sources of Linux documentation, some examples of which include:Oct 15 07:42
schestowitz            Desktop help systemOct 15 07:42
schestowitz            Package documentationOct 15 07:42
schestowitz            Online resources.Oct 15 07:42
schestowitz"Oct 15 07:42
schestowitznow they mention kde docs alongside gnome onesOct 15 07:42
schestowitz"The ps Command (BSD Style)"Oct 15 07:46
schestowitzSo a course on "Linux" does BSDOct 15 07:47
schestowitz"Oct 15 07:51
schestowitzIt also offers implementations of filesystems used on other alien operating systems, such as those from:Oct 15 07:51
schestowitz            Windows (ntfs, vfat)Oct 15 07:51
schestowitz"Oct 15 07:52
schestowitzthey only teach nano and geditOct 15 08:00
schestowitzgedit has just called for fundraisingOct 15 08:01
schestowitz"vi and emacs" mentioned brieflyOct 15 08:01
schestowitz"We should do similar exercises for emacs, which also has a wide user base and has many dedicated fans. However, given the limited amount of time, we recommend you do these labs as homework anyway, and if you are not already proficient with vi or emacs, just use nano or gedit or kedit for the course, as these simple editors have virtually no learning curve."Oct 15 08:03
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schestowitz"awk is used to extract and then print specific contents of a file and is often used to construct reports. It was created at Bell Labs in the 1970s and derived its name from the last names of its authors: Alfred Aho, Peter Weinberger, and Brian Kernighan."Oct 15 08:15
schestowitzNot so shockingly, "LinuxFoundationX LFS101x - Introduction to Linux" is MOSTLY #GNU utilities; I checked ALL the pages there.Oct 15 08:22
schestowitzNetworking taught as introduction to LinuxOct 15 08:23
schestowitzodd Oct 15 08:23
schestowitzlike ipv4/6 is a "Linux" thingOct 15 08:23
schestowitzthey they teach programmingOct 15 08:33
schestowitzin a "Linux" courseOct 15 08:33
schestowitzoddOct 15 08:33
schestowitzedx tries to lump everything under the "Linux" brandOct 15 08:35
schestowitzinc. bash programmingOct 15 08:35
schestowitz"Oct 15 08:37
schestowitz            forOct 15 08:37
schestowitz            whileOct 15 08:37
schestowitz            until.Oct 15 08:37
schestowitz"Oct 15 08:37
schestowitzfor a "Linux" courseOct 15 08:37
schestowitzchapter 16Oct 15 08:38
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liberty_boxhttps://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/10/vivaldi-browser-arcade-game?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+d0od+%28OMG%21+Ubuntu%21%29Oct 15 09:32
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | Vivaldi Browser Just Gave People a Massive Reason to Try it - OMG! Ubuntu!Oct 15 09:32
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schestowitz> For the moment, I am getting most of the links fromOct 15 14:14
schestowitz> http://techrights.org/category/microsoft/page/94/ etc.Oct 15 14:14
schestowitz> Oct 15 14:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft | Techrights - Part 94Oct 15 14:14
schestowitz> Simply looking for the best places to add them-- that's the workOct 15 14:14
schestowitz> involved. This includes both links to existing TR articles, andOct 15 14:14
schestowitz> sometimes links to external pages. Linking to TR articles is easier, andOct 15 14:14
schestowitz> sometimes adds the context (makes it more accessible) needed to show theOct 15 14:14
schestowitz> connection-- linking to external pages helps show "no, this isn't justOct 15 14:14
schestowitz> about stuff on TR agreeing with stuff on TR".Oct 15 14:14
schestowitz> Oct 15 14:14
schestowitz> Usually the existing articles themselves link to external pages, but aOct 15 14:14
schestowitz> superficial (dishonest, Twitter-esque) dismissal is easier if the firstOct 15 14:14
schestowitz> hop always is always to TR. If it goes to a variety of places on theOct 15 14:14
schestowitz> first hop, it's harder (not impossible, audiences can be superficialOct 15 14:15
schestowitz> too) for them to get away with such nonsense.Oct 15 14:15
schestowitzPhoronix does lots of that too, yet nobody complains because the topic isn't as contentious.Oct 15 14:15
schestowitzwill publish shortly re FIDOOct 15 14:27
schestowitzgot some whistleblowerOct 15 14:27
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XRevan86MPlayer and Xine… very modern :)Oct 15 16:05
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schestowitzChaekyung: more  modern than modernOct 15 16:22
schestowitzCinelerra alsoOct 15 16:23
schestowitzhardly heard of it in more than a decade now...Oct 15 16:23
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smnthermeshttps://old.reddit.com/r/WatchRedditDie/comments/j4fsi1/reddit_rewrites_history_by_excluding_aaron_swartz/Oct 15 16:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-old.reddit.com | Reddit Rewrites History By Excluding Aaron Swartz : WatchRedditDieOct 15 16:47
smnthermesOofOct 15 16:47
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XRevan86On a flip side, Aaron would not have liked to have been associated with what Reddit has become.Oct 15 16:53
XRevan86> It doesn't matter if he regreted selling Infogami to Not A Bug (Reddit), then being bought out by a big corporation. The point is without Aaron there is no Reddit. Can they not even put their egos aside for their dead colleague, and acknowledge his contribution to being part of the original team?Oct 15 16:56
schestowitztrueOct 15 17:02
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz All of these people get pissed off about even having to be in court, but the CEO of Stamdard Oil at least made a forceful defense that they had a naturally occurring monopoly based on operating efficiency and good customer relations.Oct 15 17:42
DaemonFC[m]The court found against Standard and after the breakup, things did actually get worse for consumers. Oct 15 17:42
DaemonFC[m]But arguing that there were other operating systems and people just always chose yours after the illegal OEM contracts that destroyed them all or that people could choose Netscape, but why would they when they already had your browser, which came without an uninstaller, would be even more ridiculous. Oct 15 17:44
DaemonFC[m]Even after the takeover of Netscape by AOL, I originally had hoped that the AOL software would incorporate Gecko and that they would keep throwing money at Mozilla development. Oct 15 17:45
DaemonFC[m]But as the web became more open, AOL ceased being very relevant. Oct 15 17:45
MinceRnow that the web is not open anymore, is AOL going to make a comeback? :>Oct 15 17:46
DaemonFC[m]Their online provider segment became less and less of a cash cow, and they made a lot of blunders like failing to exploit virtual service provider regulations that would have let them buy time on DSL lines at wholesale. Oct 15 17:46
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XRevan86Apple: we will no longer ship power blocks with iPhone's, they hurt the environment and everyone already has them alreadyOct 15 17:54
XRevan86Then Apple: puts a Type-C adapter for which no one has existing power blocksOct 15 17:54
XRevan86Amazing logic, I love it.Oct 15 17:55
MinceR:>Oct 15 17:55
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kingoffrancewell aol had winampOct 15 18:24
kingoffrancethey couldve been youtube that minibrowser thingOct 15 18:24
kingoffranceinstead, they distanced themselves from gnutella and i guess didnt do anything with shoutcast etc.Oct 15 18:25
kingoffrancenot saying thats a giant loss, just they were thereOct 15 18:26
kingoffrancethis streaming thing is not going anywhereOct 15 18:26
kingoffranceim sure thats vastly oversimplifiedOct 15 18:27
kingoffrancebut you cant say they didnt have a heads-upOct 15 18:27
MinceRyeah, aol bought nullsoft and drove it into the groundOct 15 18:29
MinceRsuits doing suit thingsOct 15 18:29
smnthermes> ‎[13:46:31] ‎MinceR‎: now that the web is not open anymore, is AOL going to make a comeback? :>Oct 15 18:34
smnthermesAoolgle?Oct 15 18:34
kingoffranceyaolhoogleOct 15 18:35
kingoffrancewell no thats not enoughOct 15 18:35
kingoffranceiyaolhoogleOct 15 18:35
MinceRlolOct 15 18:37
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DaemonFC[m]They absolutely could have done something with Winamp and Netscape, but they didn't.Oct 15 18:57
DaemonFC[m]They just lost 99% of the money they invested and then chopped them for parts.Oct 15 18:57
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DaemonFC[m]Between adding each other to our accounts as authorized users we now have 5 credit card accounts, which will get rid of that "thin credit file" penalty from FICO.Oct 15 19:32
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I think we're going to get an apartment.Oct 15 19:32
DaemonFC[m]The screening company this guy uses returned that I had a bankruptcy (true) but didn't say anything about the dismissed misdemeanors.Oct 15 19:32
DaemonFC[m]So I don't look all that bad.Oct 15 19:33
DaemonFC[m]If he approves us it's going to be one of those "Just give him whatever he says he wants and get the hell in there." things as far as I'm concerned.Oct 15 19:33
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: "I'd like to congratulate you for surviving. And managing to pack on a few pounds." -GLaDOSOct 15 19:34
DaemonFC[m]It gave Mandy a very good "resident score" and mine was okay.Oct 15 19:35
DaemonFC[m]That model doesn't look at bankruptcies all that closely. What it does get weighted for is evictions and foreclosures, which I have never had. Oct 15 19:35
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DaemonFC[m]If anything, those reports simply corroborate what I already told him, so fingers crossed.Oct 15 19:36
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liberty_boxhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFAEs44WGEg - you can pet me, but don't eat me.Oct 15 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A boy and his pet goose - YouTubeOct 15 19:51
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz Good news on the apartment. Oct 15 20:00
DaemonFC[m]Approved. Putting down the deposit now. He said just deposit today and then first months rent when we move in. It's being remodeled and ready next month.Oct 15 20:01
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: excellent!Oct 15 20:13
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Chaekyunghow do you know it's tracking?Oct 15 20:29
Chaekyunghttp://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143253Oct 15 20:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Microsoft spyware disguised as calculator (spying on keypresses) celebrated in 'Linux' sites | Tux MachinesOct 15 20:29
Chaekyungto bad you only posted links with comments and didn't do a proper longer writeupOct 15 20:30
ChaekyungGuess I'll have to join the other sites in writing a news piece about such great microsoft productOct 15 20:30
Chaekyungof crouse I don't have snapOct 15 20:34
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schestowitzChaekyung: hang on, I will add a linkOct 15 20:42
schestowitzit's in github iircOct 15 20:42
schestowitzi.e. microsoft url, I prefer not to link to thoseOct 15 20:42
schestowitzhttps://www.google.com/search?client=falkon&ei=LqaIX-ulCM-jgAbhqoKIBQ&q=microsoft+calculator+telemetry&oq=microsoft+calculator+telemetry&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIJCAAQyQMQFhAeOgQIABBHOgUIABDJAzoGCAAQFhAeUKB6WJ-EAWCAiwFoAHADeACAAWyIAcoGkgEDNy4ymAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpesgBCMABAQ&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwjr9NXNrbfsAhXPEcAKHWGVAFEQ4dUDCA0&uact=5Oct 15 20:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-microsoft calculator telemetry - Google SearchOct 15 20:43
schestowitzlots thereOct 15 20:43
schestowitzwithout linking to the microsoft urlsOct 15 20:43
Chaekyunghttps://github.com/Microsoft/calculator#diagnostic-dataOct 15 20:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - microsoft/calculator: Windows Calculator: A simple yet powerful calculator that ships with WindowsOct 15 20:43
schestowitzreddit has many pages on itOct 15 20:43
ChaekyungIt says on the GitHub page that it's the spywareOct 15 20:43
schestowitzWindows 10: Even the calculator has build in keylogger and ...Oct 15 20:43
Chaekyungif the Uno port is or not.. idkOct 15 20:43
schestowitzMicrosoft MIT-licensed code for calculator contains telemetry ...Oct 15 20:43
schestowitz10 Mar 2019Oct 15 20:43
schestowitzcalc.exe is now open source; there's surprising depth in its ...Oct 15 20:43
schestowitz7 Mar 2019Oct 15 20:43
schestowitzCalculator will no longer log invalid pasted text in telemetry ...Oct 15 20:43
schestowitz13 Mar 2019Oct 15 20:43
schestowitzThis is why Microsoft doesn't release source code for their ...Oct 15 20:43
schestowitz10 Mar 2019Oct 15 20:43
schestowitzMore results from www.reddit.comOct 15 20:44
schestowitznot so irrelevantOct 15 20:44
schestowitzbecause they help promote suspicious codebaseOct 15 20:44
schestowitzof a company that's attacking us, stillOct 15 20:44
Chaekyungoh that's your take on it, since original product is bad you don't like a port of it that promotes MicrosoftOct 15 20:45
schestowitzI will paste a discussion related to thisOct 15 20:45
schestowitz(from today(Oct 15 20:45
schestowitz[14:11] <schestowitz> >>> By the way, apropos sw patents and software freedom as part of theOct 15 20:45
schestowitz[14:11] <schestowitz> >>> larger scope in regards to human rights, how familiar are you withOct 15 20:45
schestowitz[14:11] <schestowitz> >>> Central American and South American history in regards to US corporateOct 15 20:45
schestowitz[14:11] <schestowitz> >>> interests?  United Fruit is one illustrative case study.  IMO it is kindOct 15 20:45
schestowitz[14:11] <schestowitz> >>> of the same interests and reasons that are nowadays disrupting andOct 15 20:45
schestowitz[14:11] <schestowitz> >>> attacking FOSS.Oct 15 20:45
schestowitz[14:11] <schestowitz> >> I am aware of it by name, but not the underlying nature or it orOct 15 20:45
schestowitz[14:11] <schestowitz> >> methods. I'd have to do a lot of reading to come up with any meaningfulOct 15 20:45
schestowitz[14:11] <schestowitz> >> comparisons.Oct 15 20:46
schestowitz[14:11] <schestowitz> >>Oct 15 20:46
schestowitz[14:11] <schestowitz> >>Oct 15 20:46
schestowitz[14:11] <schestowitz> > The US overthrew a lot of governments for them and had a lot ofOct 15 20:46
schestowitz[14:11] <schestowitz> > individuals killed or otherwise eliminated in the name of somewhatOct 15 20:46
schestowitz[14:11] <schestowitz> > increased profits.  The US military fought on their behalf, too.Oct 15 20:46
schestowitz[14:11] <schestowitz> > Oct 15 20:46
schestowitz[14:11] <schestowitz> > Here is one tiny bit of their history, regarding Honduras:Oct 15 20:46
schestowitz[14:11] <schestowitz> > https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2009/07/hond-j09.htmlOct 15 20:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wsws.org | Background to the Honduran coup: Poverty, exploitation and imperialist domination - World Socialist Web SiteOct 15 20:46
schestowitz[14:11] <schestowitz> I know that much (watched many videos years ago), but not enough to know methods and machinations to draw parallels in gnu/fs. Except very superficial and genetic ones. I can think of better analogies from Brits in India and Nazi Germany, using locals as moles or "kapos".Oct 15 20:46
schestowitz[14:29] <schestowitz> >> Can you populate the above texts with concrete and further examples? IOct 15 20:46
schestowitz[14:29] <schestowitz> >> can then integrate it into a future article.Oct 15 20:46
schestowitz[14:29] <schestowitz> >>Oct 15 20:46
schestowitz[14:29] <schestowitz> >> I'm wary of writing about things I don't know well enough.Oct 15 20:46
schestowitz[14:29] <schestowitz> >>Oct 15 20:46
schestowitz[14:29] <schestowitz> >>Oct 15 20:46
schestowitz[14:29] <schestowitz> > It's not really suitable material for an article, but useful backgroundOct 15 20:46
schestowitz[14:29] <schestowitz> > information.  There will not be a fresh paper trail to work with.  ThereOct 15 20:46
schestowitz[14:29] <schestowitz> > might be one a decade or two from now should people talk and shouldOct 15 20:46
schestowitz[14:29] <schestowitz> > there even be a decade or two from now.Oct 15 20:46
schestowitz[14:29] <schestowitz> > Oct 15 20:46
schestowitz[14:29] <schestowitz> > You can dig a lot of concrete examples of m$ interference if people areOct 15 20:46
schestowitz[14:29] <schestowitz> > willing to talk.  That'll be the hard part.Oct 15 20:46
schestowitz--------Oct 15 20:46
schestowitzCanonical is also promoting this nowOct 15 20:46
schestowitzno reason toOct 15 20:46
schestowitzit's a culculatorOct 15 20:46
schestowitz*CalcOct 15 20:46
schestowitzbut they suck up to MicrosoftOct 15 20:46
schestowitzby generating fake "buzz"Oct 15 20:47
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz I spoke with my attorney. Oct 15 20:48
DaemonFC[m]He said don't worry about it. Almost certainly just vindictive crap and the cops took a report they don't plan to do anything about.Oct 15 20:49
schestowitzmaybe half the report was on Arabic, DaemonFC[m]Oct 15 20:49
schestowitzif you don't mind mild humourOct 15 20:50
DaemonFC[m]He said do not go there to make a statement because if they just file it away and forget, it would be pointless. Oct 15 20:50
schestowitz*in ArabicOct 15 20:50
DaemonFC[m]No reason to draw more attention and potentially say something bad for me.Oct 15 20:50
DaemonFC[m]If I have to go to court over this, I'll be filing a lawsuit against them after I beat it.Oct 15 20:51
DaemonFC[m]Defamation of character. Costs of defense. Oct 15 20:52
DaemonFC[m]https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/15/early-voting-us-election-turnout-recordOct 15 20:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-amp.theguardian.com | Millions of Americans voting early in what could be record election turnout | US elections 2020 | The GuardianOct 15 20:54
DaemonFC[m]17.1 million votes cast so far.Oct 15 20:54
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schestowitzelection day will be chaotic and trump will sabotage it for sureOct 15 20:59
schestowitznext month you will still not know who "won"Oct 15 20:59
schestowitzthat's his strategyOct 15 20:59
schestowitzthen he can start a war or somethingOct 15 20:59
schestowitzif he doesn't get his way (the Orange One)Oct 15 20:59
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: just fyi, latest:Oct 15 21:06
schestowitzhttps://truthout.org/articles/mitch-mcconnell-laughs-when-confronted-on-covid-inaction/Oct 15 21:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Mitch McConnell Laughs When Confronted on COVID InactionOct 15 21:06
schestowitzhttps://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/10/14/issued-when-no-one-was-looking-critics-warn-new-trump-guidance-eviction-moratoriumOct 15 21:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Issued 'When No One Was Looking,' Critics Warn New Trump Guidance on Eviction Moratorium a Blow to Renter Protections and Public Health | Common Dreams NewsOct 15 21:06
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz this company didn't return any criminal records. So that stupid dismissed case didn't even factor in.Oct 15 21:06
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schestowitz(I thought i'd share it with you when I saw it hours ago)Oct 15 21:07
DaemonFC[m]He asked why we wanted to move. I told him the fee to stay at the hotel had gone up and that I felt it changed the value to price ratio too much.Oct 15 21:07
DaemonFC[m]He asked how much before and after I said like $1080 before and $1200 something after. But that it was a studio and I was very happy that it was there for us while it was but that it was outliving its usefulness. Oct 15 21:08
DaemonFC[m]It's still not killing us, but it is a slow burn money suck.Oct 15 21:09
DaemonFC[m]The rate hike was just the final nudge.Oct 15 21:09
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz I'm glad that the rental moratoriums are coming to an end.Oct 15 21:10
DaemonFC[m]Do you know how hard it was to get an apartment while this was going on?Oct 15 21:10
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schestowitzhttps://www.crn.com/news/cloud/red-hat-integrates-ansible-and-openshift-for-cloud-native-automationOct 15 21:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.crn.com | Red Hat Integrates Ansible And OpenShift For Cloud-Native AutomationOct 15 21:24
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: I can imagineOct 15 21:24
schestowitzif you tenants won't payOct 15 21:25
schestowitzand you cannot evictOct 15 21:25
schestowitzmight as well keep them empty for nowOct 15 21:25
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schestowitzstupid scraper hitting techrightsOct 15 21:33
schestowitzcausing timeoutsOct 15 21:33
schestowitzwth?Oct 15 21:33
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vZS1aHdksSQKx2txUnicode and colour makes terminal apps great.Oct 15 22:17
schestowitzyupOct 15 22:18
schestowitztmux is coolOct 15 22:18
schestowitzhtop uses colourOct 15 22:18
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI couldn't live without tmuxOct 15 22:18
schestowitznmon uses colour alsoOct 15 22:18
schestowitzit's graphing usage over timeOct 15 22:18
schestowitzlike sonar, sort ogOct 15 22:18
schestowitz*ofOct 15 22:18
schestowitzscreen is ok, but it's older and seems simplerOct 15 22:19
schestowitzI saw recommendations of things unlike tmuxOct 15 22:19
schestowitzcalling tmux "bloat"Oct 15 22:19
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schestowitztmux is also prisoner of MSFT in githubOct 15 22:19
schestowitziirc, it started 2007Oct 15 22:19
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI don't see GitHub lasting for too long with things like Gitea aroundOct 15 22:20
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vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI think they're just mining the data while they canOct 15 22:21
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txthey being GitHubOct 15 22:21
schestowitzgitea is github-hostedOct 15 22:22
schestowitzin 2017, iirc, they said it would changeOct 15 22:22
schestowitzI still wait for that migration to be finalisedOct 15 22:22
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txSameOct 15 22:22
schestowitzsome prodding can helpOct 15 22:22
schestowitzbut...Oct 15 22:23
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txBut they are offering a lightweight alternativeOct 15 22:23
schestowitzI cannot communicate with themOct 15 22:23
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI think they have enough problems atmOct 15 22:23
schestowitzI don't have a Github (Microsoft) account :-)Oct 15 22:23
schestowitzreminds me of gitlab saying, come to us... OOPS! We're Azure-hostedOct 15 22:23
schestowitzand then they worked to correct thatOct 15 22:23
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI have to keep up with a lot of things so I don't have an optionOct 15 22:23
schestowitzseeing people saw the issue moving from github (MSFT) to gitlab (MSFT-hosted)Oct 15 22:23
schestowitzthere's a project connected or similar to giteaOct 15 22:24
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txGitlab are a jokeOct 15 22:24
schestowitzmaybe a forkOct 15 22:24
schestowitzI cannot rememberOct 15 22:24
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txYou couldn't even do variable nesting in their CI/CD solutionOct 15 22:24
XRevan86schestowitz: gitea is a fork of gogsOct 15 22:24
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txLet me find the issue hold onOct 15 22:24
schestowitzyeah, gogsOct 15 22:24
schestowitzso it's the other way aroundOct 15 22:24
schestowitzwe need help, we need to get the message outOct 15 22:25
schestowitzmake github the next codeplexOct 15 22:25
schestowitzasapOct 15 22:25
schestowitzthe sooner, the betterOct 15 22:25
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txhttps://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-runner/-/issues/1809Oct 15 22:25
schestowitzzemlin and his sunshine boys work overtime to hand over Linux to Microsoft (GitHub)Oct 15 22:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Use variable inside other variable (#1809) · Issues · GitLab.org / gitlab-runner · GitLabOct 15 22:25
schestowitzand some gnu projects foolishly rehost there alsoOct 15 22:25
schestowitzvZS1aHdksSQKx2tx: too much complexityOct 15 22:26
schestowitzall this "workflow" stuffOct 15 22:26
schestowitzmaybe I never worked in a team large enough in conjuctionOct 15 22:26
schestowitzbut linux has like 1000+ active devsOct 15 22:26
schestowitzthey manage ok with email workflowsOct 15 22:26
schestowitzconjuction=> conjunctionOct 15 22:27
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txEmail has its drawbacks too tbhOct 15 22:27
schestowitzat least it's standardOct 15 22:27
schestowitzand works on so many devicesOct 15 22:27
schestowitzwe wrote LOTS of articles about it 2 months agoOct 15 22:27
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txIt would be a lot easier to just use something like bugzilla for dev and keep Git for DVCSOct 15 22:27
schestowitzwhen Microsoft Foundation (LF) lobbied for Linux on ShiteLabOct 15 22:27
schestowitzI mean ShiteHubOct 15 22:27
*timur_demin is now known as tdeminOct 15 22:28
schestowitzShiteLab too would be badOct 15 22:28
schestowitzit's dual-licensed, hence "trap"Oct 15 22:28
schestowitzbugzilla is OKOct 15 22:28
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI like email, don't get me wrong, but it isn't that great for dev because you need to worry about archiving and a lot of other stuffOct 15 22:28
schestowitzI installed it a few times, does what it's mean to, self-hosted, not bloatedOct 15 22:28
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txYeahOct 15 22:28
schestowitzemail is better for archivingOct 15 22:28
schestowitzI get changelog in my inboxOct 15 22:28
schestowitzin my mail client of choiceOct 15 22:28
schestowitzcan't say the same about all those web frameworksOct 15 22:29
schestowitzI can search it, forward, merge, archive, run emails tools onOct 15 22:29
schestowitzlike mhonarcOct 15 22:29
schestowitzvery unix-like mentality of pies with RFCsOct 15 22:29
schestowitz*pipesOct 15 22:29
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI'd personally rather have something that just has a simple SQLite DB that I can easily backupOct 15 22:30
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txBut I'm fine with email. I can live with itOct 15 22:31
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThe biggest gripe I have with email is that there's no ACK that someone got what you sent themOct 15 22:32
schestowitzyou can do email as dbOct 15 22:32
schestowitzemail does have extension for receipt to sender, but it's not strictly enforcedOct 15 22:32
schestowitzthough you can train people to always send ack when readOct 15 22:33
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "might as well keep them empty fo"> Surprised me that it was still so easy to do business with this guy.Oct 15 22:33
schestowitz(not when received but read)Oct 15 22:33
DaemonFC[m]Signed the lease and put the deposit down with him.Oct 15 22:33
schestowitzgoodOct 15 22:33
schestowitzdon't make him regret itOct 15 22:33
schestowitzbe a model tenant, hold on to itOct 15 22:33
schestowitzthings will be grim soon, election chaosOct 15 22:33
schestowitzmaybe sanctions Oct 15 22:33
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MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/689259.jpgOct 15 22:40
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txAll that sugarOct 15 22:40
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txBtw, why no TLS on the login page?Oct 15 22:41
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txschestowitzOct 15 22:41
MinceRblue wafflesOct 15 22:41
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txBerries?Oct 15 22:42
MinceR"Blue waffle: An Internet hoax originating in 2010 purporting an unknown sexually transmitted disease affecting only women, causing severe infection and blue discoloration to the vagina. The disease has been confirmed as false."Oct 15 22:42
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txOhOct 15 22:43
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI live under a rock. Thanks for educating meOct 15 22:43
MinceRnpOct 15 22:44
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vZS1aHdksSQKx2txSpeaking of client/server, been thinking of getting one of those new Raspberry PisOct 15 22:52
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThe 8GB onesOct 15 22:52
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txTest out some ideasOct 15 22:52
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txAnyone here got one?Oct 15 22:53
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI'm on the old 3 B+ atm and the RAM limitation is an issueOct 15 22:53
schestowitzsometimes MinceR posts jokes that are hard to grasp because of references I never heard of beforeOct 15 22:53
MinceRthe newest rpi i have is a rpi4B 4GBOct 15 22:53
schestowitzvZS1aHdksSQKx2tx: the 8gb one?Oct 15 22:53
schestowitzsomeone wanted to buy me one, sort ofOct 15 22:54
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txYeah the 8GB oneOct 15 22:54
schestowitzhow many cores and what speed?Oct 15 22:54
MinceReven that one was not terribly well supported when i tried to put it in place of my rpi2...Oct 15 22:54
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI can make 1GB work if I write my own software but it's nice to just have something I can use Wordpress on and forget. lolOct 15 22:54
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI think the 4B is Quad core 1.5GHzOct 15 22:56
MinceR(audio) https://hugelolcdn.com/v/689123.webmOct 15 22:56
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txARMv8 or something like thatOct 15 22:56
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vZS1aHdksSQKx2txRaspbian isn't doing well with their firmwareOct 15 22:58
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThe latest testing `apt` updates caused SD card errors for meOct 15 22:58
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI had to reflash the card. Bit annoyingOct 15 22:58
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txAnd the problem is that I wasn't aware I was going to get "testing" updated bundled in with "stable" onesOct 15 23:00
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txupdates*Oct 15 23:01
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txGuess that's what you get when you don't pay attention to the output. *facepalm*Oct 15 23:01
schestowitz[22:56] <vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx> ARMv8 or something like thatOct 15 23:04
schestowitzsounds good and powerful enoughOct 15 23:04
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txOh yeah. You can definitely run a hell of a lot on those. Especially if you use something like Rust to drive your appsOct 15 23:04
schestowitzMinceR: lol, saved as vr.webmOct 15 23:05
schestowitzi will use it in my next postOct 15 23:05
schestowitzsomething about tech for dumb folksOct 15 23:05
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txAnd it has 3A power supply so it can handle quite a lot of peripherals, I think.Oct 15 23:06
schestowitzit's short enough to be fair use, I think, with no clear attributionOct 15 23:06
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thddxi'm on a pi4 now. i barely use my desktop anymoreOct 15 23:07
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI need my desktop for the umphOct 15 23:08
thddxi just turn it on if i doOct 15 23:08
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI have an 8 core processor that can hit about 5GHzOct 15 23:08
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txReally helps when I cba to do things cleanly and just brute force xDOct 15 23:08
thddxhard to beat the 5-15w consumptionOct 15 23:08
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txIndeedOct 15 23:09
thddxwhen mainly typing and readingOct 15 23:09
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txIt's perfectly adequate for hosting a general-purpose server as wellOct 15 23:09
thddxindeedOct 15 23:09
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx8GB is a lot of RAMOct 15 23:09
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txCPU definitely up to scratch tooOct 15 23:10
thddxruns void well, but most hardware doesOct 15 23:10
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txIdk what I'd put on mineOct 15 23:10
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI usually play it safe with DebianOct 15 23:10
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txbut Debian has been blowing up in my face a lot, recentlyOct 15 23:11
MinceRschestowitz: :)Oct 15 23:11
thddxi'd consider openbsd tooOct 15 23:11
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txIt would have to be Linux for meOct 15 23:11
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI don't want to live without my namespaces and cgroupsOct 15 23:11
thddxthat's fairOct 15 23:12
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI might just try Arch and see how that goesOct 15 23:12
thddxit worksOct 15 23:13
thddxi've tried itOct 15 23:13
thddxpretty painlessOct 15 23:13
thddxno real gotchasOct 15 23:13
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI don't mind rolling-release. I'd just need to put in some legwork to set up a snapshotting filesystemOct 15 23:13
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThen I can sleep easy and let the thing update itselfOct 15 23:13
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txCan just roll back if things go tits upOct 15 23:13
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vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI did that on my old FreeBSD box that had ZFS on itOct 15 23:14
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txMight try BTRFS though this time. I heard it's good when you need to change storage layouts frequentlyOct 15 23:15
thddxi've used btrfs for many years on servers & desktopsOct 15 23:15
thddxnever had any issuesOct 15 23:15
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThat's good to knowOct 15 23:15
thddxadding/removing many disks from arraysOct 15 23:16
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI don't know what storage requirements are atm so BTRFS is very attractive to meOct 15 23:16
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vZS1aHdksSQKx2txBed time for me. Have a good one, all!Oct 15 23:19
thddxg'nightOct 15 23:19
schestowitzlol twitter broke downOct 15 23:19
schestowitzagainOct 15 23:19
schestowitzit's like read-only site nowOct 15 23:20
schestowitzvZS1aHdksSQKx2tx: 0/Oct 15 23:20
thddxahead of the big duel u.s. presidential town hallOct 15 23:20
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thddxthe censor bots must have been overworkedOct 15 23:21
MinceR:>Oct 15 23:22
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MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/689215.jpgOct 15 23:23
schestowitzunfortunate layoutOct 15 23:25
MinceR:>Oct 15 23:26
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz Always planned to. Those people yesterday had me a bit hot under the collar, but unless it's illegal to say "Hey, what do you think you're doing making these kinds of mistakes with our application?" I think I'm okay.Oct 15 23:29
DaemonFC[m]I gave my attorney a heads up in case it got more serious, but he thinks they're not going to do anything. The desk sergeant also laughed it off and said don't worry. Oct 15 23:29
cybrNautif you notice when twtr goes down, it likely means you're using it too muchOct 15 23:29
DaemonFC[m]I said "I'm more than happy to make a more detailed statement about this, through my attorney, but I didn't do anything wrong there and left when asked.".Oct 15 23:30
schestowitzcybrNaut: no, there are fail whales tooOct 15 23:32
schestowitzseems like a central issueOct 15 23:32
schestowitzand... maybe related to just UK datacentres, hard to tellOct 15 23:33
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/19210359Oct 15 23:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #twitter has been broken (in #uk at least) for at least one hour now. So twitter broke down again, it's like read-only site now... with failwhales here and there too. I like it. STAY THAT WAY :-D Oct 15 23:33
cybrNautwhat's a fail whale?Oct 15 23:37
cybrNautah, nvmOct 15 23:38
cybrNauti never know when twtr shits the bed b/c I quit using it as soon as they locked my acct & demanded a phone # to get it backOct 15 23:40
_I3^RELATIVISMa lot of stuff seamto be down today, probably a major cordenated atackOct 15 23:42
schestowitzhad ddos on techrights minutes agoOct 15 23:42
schestowitzand also a few hours agoOct 15 23:42
_I3^RELATIVISMbig important privacy services servers as wellOct 15 23:42
schestowitzwe're still blocking some sections of the siteOct 15 23:42
_I3^RELATIVISMlibredns is downOct 15 23:42
_I3^RELATIVISMlibregit is downOct 15 23:43
_I3^RELATIVISMand funny traffic on i2pOct 15 23:43
schestowitzusually I say, maybe clownflareOct 15 23:43
schestowitzthen you check if it's the common denominatorOct 15 23:43
schestowitzall of them using it etc.Oct 15 23:43
schestowitzafaik, twitter does notOct 15 23:43
schestowitzmaybe uses akamai or somethingOct 15 23:43
_I3^RELATIVISMalso the perfect timing given people in major countris are distracted with holidayOct 15 23:43
schestowitzholiday?Oct 15 23:44
_I3^RELATIVISMnot none of those doOct 15 23:44
_I3^RELATIVISMlibregit or libredns that is isOct 15 23:44
schestowitzmy kde plasma diary says US world porty dayOct 15 23:44
schestowitznever heard of "poetry day" beforeOct 15 23:44
_I3^RELATIVISMthanks gvingOct 15 23:45
schestowitzUnited Nations day on the 24thOct 15 23:45
schestowitznext holiday (US)Oct 15 23:45
_I3^RELATIVISMthis atacks started on mondayOct 15 23:45
schestowitzyou got it wrongOct 15 23:46
_I3^RELATIVISMat least for the servers I checkedOct 15 23:46
schestowitzthankgiving is 15th nov. this yearOct 15 23:46
schestowitzand should not affect ukOct 15 23:46
schestowitzwe're just thankful right now we have a 'boris' and not a 'donald'Oct 15 23:46
_I3^RELATIVISMnot canadianOct 15 23:46
schestowitzwhat is canada thankful for? ;-)Oct 15 23:50
schestowitz(the holiday itself, meguesses)Oct 15 23:51
schestowitzwe might soon have another xmas breakOct 15 23:51
schestowitzliverpool hasOct 15 23:51
schestowitz2-week lock-down at least, pretty much full lock-down againOct 15 23:52
schestowitzslow, quiet, no pollution. Nature resets..Oct 15 23:52
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