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DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "like she fired away a spurious p"> I talked to the dispatcher. | Oct 15 01:23 |
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DaemonFC[m] | She said if the police didn't contact me by now, she wouldn't worry about it. | Oct 15 01:24 |
DaemonFC[m] | They take reports for all kinds of stuff, but she didn't think that sounded actionable. | Oct 15 01:24 |
DaemonFC[m] | For crying out loud, when I went to leave, the guy walked to my car and I rolled my window down to talk to him, and then he started yelling at me and that "Ibraham" guy on the phone (in Arabic), and the maintenance guy wanted me to give him my phone. | Oct 15 01:26 |
DaemonFC[m] | I said, "No, but you may talk to your boss on the speaker if it will calm you both down.". | Oct 15 01:26 |
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DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Well, not every police report number gets any attention. | Oct 15 03:20 |
DaemonFC[m] | When John was harassing me last year I complained to the Waukegan police and they created a report number and said they'd tell him to knock it off. | Oct 15 03:20 |
DaemonFC[m] | Especially now with COVID-19, the court is probably more selective with what it brings. | Oct 15 03:20 |
CrystalMath | hey did you guys watch stallman at libreplanet online? | Oct 15 03:34 |
CrystalMath | schestowitz: you're being mean to all the other people named Vladimir now :( | Oct 15 03:35 |
*XRevan86 doesn't get the joke. | Oct 15 03:52 | |
XRevan86 | Incidentally, the current president of Ukraine is also a Vladimir. | Oct 15 03:54 |
XRevan86 | but they come and go | Oct 15 04:02 |
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schestowitz | [03:34] <CrystalMath> hey did you guys watch stallman at libreplanet online? | Oct 15 06:17 |
schestowitz | No, BUT... | Oct 15 06:17 |
schestowitz | 1) I wondered about that | Oct 15 06:17 |
schestowitz | if there's a link to footage | Oct 15 06:17 |
schestowitz | 2) the 35th FSF anniversary party... he spoke there also | Oct 15 06:17 |
schestowitz | where can we find footage? | Oct 15 06:17 |
schestowitz | it might be interested to hear if it wasn't some generic talk about how and why he started FSF | Oct 15 06:18 |
CrystalMath | he had some talk about the danger of zoom during covid times | Oct 15 06:18 |
schestowitz | do we have a link? | Oct 15 06:18 |
schestowitz | would love to rip the video and link | Oct 15 06:18 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: good, so it is probably nothing to worry about | Oct 15 06:19 |
schestowitz | unless _they made up_ stuff about what you had said and done | Oct 15 06:19 |
DaemonFC[m] | Oh, who knows? They can't prove it. | Oct 15 06:20 |
DaemonFC[m] | I wasn't there when the police arrived. | Oct 15 06:20 |
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DaemonFC[m] | The dispatcher said probably nothing to worry about if I haven't had any police interaction. She said, "They'd probably have gotten ahold of you by now.". | Oct 15 06:20 |
DaemonFC[m] | That seems to be their standard procedure, schestowitz | Oct 15 06:21 |
DaemonFC[m] | Knock and talk. You talking to them might very well be voluntary. It's a fishing expedition. Get you to hang yourself and then use that to get an arrest warrant. | Oct 15 06:21 |
DaemonFC[m] | Been there. | Oct 15 06:21 |
schestowitz | you could always 'do a Gates' | Oct 15 06:21 |
schestowitz | rock back and forth and question the police | Oct 15 06:22 |
DaemonFC[m] | Just refuse to talk to them. | Oct 15 06:22 |
schestowitz | "what do you mean by the word X?" | Oct 15 06:22 |
DaemonFC[m] | They'll make notes about your attitude and if they think you were lying to them. | Oct 15 06:22 |
schestowitz | well, they do need to do this | Oct 15 06:22 |
schestowitz | because it is effective | Oct 15 06:22 |
schestowitz | and no need to torture people | Oct 15 06:23 |
schestowitz | you saw how Jones folded | Oct 15 06:23 |
schestowitz | show evidence | Oct 15 06:23 |
schestowitz | and they fold | Oct 15 06:23 |
DaemonFC[m] | I read the one after Austin beat me up. They said they felt he was being evasive. | Oct 15 06:23 |
schestowitz | even Gates, when asked repeatedly, conceded he had written those horrible things | Oct 15 06:23 |
schestowitz | BTW, we need to get back to the Gates and Jones thing | Oct 15 06:23 |
DaemonFC[m] | First he blamed me for everything then he stopped talking and ended the interview | Oct 15 06:23 |
schestowitz | [06:08] <schestowitz> The sooner Bill Gates' dodgy relationship with Epstein can be exposed the better. | Oct 15 06:23 |
DaemonFC[m] | But they made note of body language and stuff. | Oct 15 06:23 |
schestowitz | [06:08] <schestowitz> Associating with anyone post paedophile convictions raises serious safeguarding concerns, most normal people, would immediately disassociate them selves. | Oct 15 06:23 |
schestowitz | [06:08] <schestowitz> " | Oct 15 06:23 |
schestowitz | [06:08] <schestowitz> https://pleroma.site/notice/A09T1gNTUcQERyeKGm | Oct 15 06:23 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-superjogger: "@schestowitz@pleroma.site hehehe" - mas.to | Oct 15 06:23 | |
schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/A09I7dpYmCjCnCQPHk | Oct 15 06:24 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-qoto.org | Paul Sutton: "@schestowitz@pleroma.site The sooner Bill Gates'…" - Qoto Mastodon | Oct 15 06:24 | |
DaemonFC[m] | Body language can say as much as anything else. | Oct 15 06:24 |
DaemonFC[m] | When you're talking to people, try not to fold your arms across your stomach. | Oct 15 06:24 |
DaemonFC[m] | It's a defensive posture. | Oct 15 06:24 |
schestowitz | I read about that recrntly | Oct 15 06:25 |
schestowitz | when writing about Gates | Oct 15 06:25 |
DaemonFC[m] | Don't touch your face, or look away from them. | Oct 15 06:25 |
schestowitz | body language of lying, stress | Oct 15 06:25 |
schestowitz | like the fetal poses | Oct 15 06:25 |
DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, subconsciously he was doing that because he felt threatened by the court. | Oct 15 06:25 |
DaemonFC[m] | Which was strange. | Oct 15 06:25 |
schestowitz | lol "don't suck your own finger mate!!" | Oct 15 06:25 |
DaemonFC[m] | If anything happened to Microsoft, it doesn't mean he goes to prison. | Oct 15 06:26 |
schestowitz | embarrassment for him | Oct 15 06:26 |
schestowitz | it was taped | Oct 15 06:26 |
schestowitz | the lawyer on his side, Hiner or similar IIRC (the MS lawyer), objected to the footage being released | Oct 15 06:26 |
schestowitz | Boies, iirc, said it's up to them to decided classification later | Oct 15 06:27 |
schestowitz | they never get arrested for anything | Oct 15 06:27 |
schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/07/25/microsoft-bribery-2019/ | Oct 15 06:27 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Caught Committing Yet More Bribery Crimes, But Nobody Gets Arrested | Techrights | Oct 15 06:27 | |
schestowitz | but it's about pride and wealth | Oct 15 06:27 |
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schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/354724 | Oct 15 06:31 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.entrepreneur.com | According to His Tweets, Bill Gates Is Way More Stressed Out Than Elon Musk (Infographic) | Oct 15 06:32 | |
schestowitz | also https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/spycatcher/201401/5-ways-body-language-can-signal-trouble | Oct 15 06:32 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.psychologytoday.com | 5 Ways That Body Language Can Signal Trouble | Psychology Today | Oct 15 06:32 | |
schestowitz | Chaekyung: ping | Oct 15 06:32 |
schestowitz | do you want me to reuse some questions you wrote for RMS? | Oct 15 06:33 |
schestowitz | to see if I have better luck getting them answered? | Oct 15 06:33 |
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schestowitz | LOL! | Oct 15 06:42 |
schestowitz | my employer enrolled us all to a linux foundation exam | Oct 15 06:42 |
schestowitz | and... they call everything "linux" | Oct 15 06:42 |
schestowitz | even GNU | Oct 15 06:42 |
schestowitz | I'm tempted to say | Oct 15 06:42 |
schestowitz | 1) this isn't "Linux" | Oct 15 06:42 |
schestowitz | 2) LF is corrupot | Oct 15 06:42 |
schestowitz | *corrupt | Oct 15 06:43 |
schestowitz | but anyway, I can learn in that process, I suppose | Oct 15 06:43 |
schestowitz | LOL | Oct 15 06:43 |
schestowitz | It's idolising Torvalds | Oct 15 06:43 |
schestowitz | as part of the course | Oct 15 06:43 |
schestowitz | with videos of him and stuff | Oct 15 06:44 |
schestowitz | this is also entertainment | Oct 15 06:44 |
schestowitz | "You just completed the first section of your course." | Oct 15 06:44 |
schestowitz | "Since its inception in 1991, Linux has grown to become a major force in computing - powering everything from the New York Stock Exchange, to mobile phones, supercomputers, and consumer devices." | Oct 15 06:44 |
schestowitz | Oh yeah... I need to learn to repeat lies | Oct 15 06:44 |
schestowitz | 1991 | Oct 15 06:44 |
schestowitz | forget GNU :-) | Oct 15 06:44 |
schestowitz | promotion/advertising as facts | Oct 15 06:45 |
schestowitz | gotta learn to recite monopolists' line | Oct 15 06:45 |
schestowitz | "More About The Linux Foundation Events" | Oct 15 06:45 |
schestowitz | LOL | Oct 15 06:45 |
schestowitz | So part of the source is reciting 'facts' about a corrupt institution | Oct 15 06:45 |
schestowitz | "In the next chapter, you will learn about the components that make up a Linux distribution." | Oct 15 06:46 |
schestowitz | sorry, you mean GNU/Linux? | Oct 15 06:46 |
schestowitz | they have a picture | Oct 15 06:46 |
schestowitz | and it shows only kernel1! | Oct 15 06:47 |
schestowitz | "Ubuntu has been widely used for cloud deployments." | Oct 15 06:47 |
schestowitz | Clown, sorry? | Oct 15 06:47 |
schestowitz | :-) | Oct 15 06:47 |
schestowitz | "Ubuntu has been widely used for cloud deployments." | Oct 15 06:48 |
schestowitz | "Video: The Power of Linux" | Oct 15 06:48 |
schestowitz | Video of Greg K-H | Oct 15 06:49 |
schestowitz | "In 1992, Linux was re-licensed using the General Public License (GPL) by GNU (a project of the Free Software Foundation or FSF, which promotes freely available software)" | Oct 15 06:50 |
schestowitz | freely available | Oct 15 06:50 |
schestowitz | might be a tad misleading | Oct 15 06:50 |
schestowitz | "Note: Linux was inspired by UNIX, but it is not UNIX." | Oct 15 06:51 |
schestowitz | GNU is not UNIX | Oct 15 06:51 |
schestowitz | ANyway, I suppose I might have to tell lies in the exam section | Oct 15 06:51 |
schestowitz | Then some more promotional videos | Oct 15 06:51 |
schestowitz | "Suppose you have been assigned to a project building a product for a Linux platform. Project requirements include making sure the project works properly on the most widely used Linux distributions. To accomplish this, you need to learn about the different components, services, and configurations associated with each distribution. We are about to look at how you would go about doing exactly that." | Oct 15 06:52 |
schestowitz | They call everything "Linux" | Oct 15 06:52 |
schestowitz | never a mention of GNU or anything | Oct 15 06:52 |
schestowitz | Their diagram are always kernel | Oct 15 06:52 |
schestowitz | even when speaking about GUI stuff | Oct 15 06:53 |
schestowitz | "Some of the common terms used in Linux are: kernel, distribution, boot loader, service, filesystem, X Window system, desktop environment, and command line." | Oct 15 06:54 |
schestowitz | No mention of all the tools that are GNU | Oct 15 06:54 |
schestowitz | "distribution" | Oct 15 06:55 |
schestowitz | of what? | Oct 15 06:55 |
schestowitz | X window? | Oct 15 06:55 |
schestowitz | what about wayland or similar? | Oct 15 06:55 |
schestowitz | "command line" | Oct 15 06:55 |
schestowitz | too vague | Oct 15 06:55 |
schestowitz | ah, now systemd promotion | Oct 15 06:56 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 15 06:57 |
schestowitz | systemd | Oct 15 06:57 |
schestowitz | Adopted by Fedora first (in 2011) | Oct 15 06:57 |
schestowitz | Adopted by RHEL 7 and SUSE | Oct 15 06:57 |
schestowitz | Replaced Upstart in Ubuntu 16.04 | Oct 15 06:57 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 15 06:57 |
schestowitz | "While the migration to systemd was rather controversial, it has been adopted by the major distributions, and so we will not discuss the older System V method or Upstart, which has become a dead end. Regardless of how one feels about the controversies or the technical methods of systemd, almost universal adoption has made learning how to work on Linux systems simpler, as there are fewer differences among distributions. We enumerate | Oct 15 06:57 |
schestowitz | systemd features next." | Oct 15 06:57 |
schestowitz | So that's how they put iot | Oct 15 06:57 |
schestowitz | LF pushing systemd | Oct 15 06:57 |
schestowitz | while ignoring the rest | Oct 15 06:57 |
schestowitz | they even use a very old logo of systemd | Oct 15 06:58 |
schestowitz | They mention NTFS as FS | Oct 15 06:58 |
schestowitz | lol! | Oct 15 06:58 |
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schestowitz | Now it's becoming a tad more reasonable and technical, not self-promotional crap that's misleading | Oct 15 07:00 |
schestowitz | I've been using gnu/linux for over 20 years and this thing targets newbies | Oct 15 07:01 |
schestowitz | don't see why my employer asked me to enroll to this.. | Oct 15 07:01 |
schestowitz | (everyone was) | Oct 15 07:02 |
schestowitz | they teach gnome-tweak-tool | Oct 15 07:04 |
schestowitz | weird | Oct 15 07:04 |
schestowitz | as that's mostly like a 'hack' on too simplified gnome | Oct 15 07:04 |
schestowitz | which was botched | Oct 15 07:04 |
schestowitz | had more features 15 years ago | Oct 15 07:04 |
schestowitz | I'll take screenshots during the "exam" | Oct 15 07:05 |
schestowitz | to show situation where I am required to tell a lie to "pass" | Oct 15 07:05 |
schestowitz | rianne might find this useful though | Oct 15 07:06 |
schestowitz | but they mislead people | Oct 15 07:06 |
schestowitz | the LF lies | Oct 15 07:06 |
schestowitz | for monopolies and for crushing FSF/GNU | Oct 15 07:06 |
schestowitz | training people to parrot lies | Oct 15 07:06 |
schestowitz | (maybe we should do an article about this, I will take screenshots as I go along) | Oct 15 07:07 |
schestowitz | They do gnome training | Oct 15 07:07 |
schestowitz | they hardly ever mention of show kde | Oct 15 07:07 |
schestowitz | as they do systemd | Oct 15 07:07 |
schestowitz | very red hat-centric | Oct 15 07:07 |
schestowitz | "The method is quite simple and universal in recent GNOME-based distributions. If you click on the Power icon and hold for a short time and release, you will get the double line icon displayed below, which you then click to suspend the system." | Oct 15 07:08 |
schestowitz | GNOME... as we're done :-) | Oct 15 07:08 |
schestowitz | still waiting for bigger faux pas | Oct 15 07:09 |
schestowitz | "Each distribution implements the Nautilus (File Manager) utility, which is used to navigate the file system. It can locate files and, when a file is clicked upon, either it will run if it is a program, or an associated application will be launched using the file as data. This behavior is completely familiar to anyone who has used other operating systems." | Oct 15 07:09 |
schestowitz | No dolphin or anything | Oct 15 07:09 |
schestowitz | amazon icon in the dashboard... stay classy, LF | Oct 15 07:09 |
schestowitz | it's all gnome | Oct 15 07:10 |
schestowitz | so kde users might struggle through this course... or anything other than gnome for that matter | Oct 15 07:11 |
schestowitz | "The basic operations will be the same here, whether you have a GNOME or KDE desktop, although exact procedures and choices may differ slightly." | Oct 15 07:11 |
schestowitz | "Graded assessments are available to Verified Track learners. Upgrade to unlock ($199)" | Oct 15 07:12 |
schestowitz | They keep trying to upsell | Oct 15 07:12 |
schestowitz | "For the GNOME Desktop Manager, one clicks on the upper right-hand corner and then selects the tools image (screwdriver crossed with a wrench or a gear). Depending on your distribution, you may find other ways to get into the settings configuration as well." | Oct 15 07:13 |
schestowitz | They teach only gnome | Oct 15 07:13 |
schestowitz | who decided to standardise on this and why? | Oct 15 07:14 |
schestowitz | shows red hat logos there | Oct 15 07:14 |
schestowitz | the older red hat logo | Oct 15 07:14 |
schestowitz | chrome icon in the dashboard, proprietary stuff | Oct 15 07:14 |
schestowitz | rianne uses kde and used unity in the past | Oct 15 07:15 |
schestowitz | so for her there's a need to learn gnome just to pass | Oct 15 07:15 |
schestowitz | even if she rejects gnome | Oct 15 07:15 |
schestowitz | started by a Microsoft mole and now Microsoft employee | Oct 15 07:15 |
schestowitz | xdpyinfo | grep dim | Oct 15 07:16 |
schestowitz | dimensions: 1920x2160 pixels (506x570 millimeters) | Oct 15 07:16 |
schestowitz | in "Network Configuration" they just teach "Network Manager" i.e. Red Hat | Oct 15 07:17 |
schestowitz | GUI training | Oct 15 07:17 |
schestowitz | welcome to Microsoft :-D | Oct 15 07:17 |
schestowitz | "Each package in a Linux distribution provides one piece of the system, such as the Linux kernel, the C compiler, the shared software code for interacting with USB devices, or the Firefox web browser." | Oct 15 07:18 |
schestowitz | doesn't say GNU c compiler | Oct 15 07:18 |
schestowitz | just linux kernel and "c compiler" | Oct 15 07:19 |
schestowitz | GNU is a bad word, or maybe they wait clang to replace it all | Oct 15 07:19 |
schestowitz | Torvalds mentions GCC here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZlOCHYu1Vk | Oct 15 07:19 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linus Torvalds, Linux and GNU/Linux - YouTube | Oct 15 07:19 | |
schestowitz | "Chapter 6: Common Applications" | Oct 15 07:21 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 15 07:21 |
schestowitz | Firefox | Oct 15 07:21 |
schestowitz | Google Chrome | Oct 15 07:21 |
schestowitz | Chromium | Oct 15 07:21 |
schestowitz | Epiphany (renamed web) | Oct 15 07:22 |
schestowitz | Konqueror | Oct 15 07:22 |
schestowitz | linx, lynx, w3m | Oct 15 07:22 |
schestowitz | Opera | Oct 15 07:22 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 15 07:22 |
schestowitz | At least it's MOSTLY free SW | Oct 15 07:22 |
schestowitz | also | Oct 15 07:22 |
schestowitz | FileZilla | Oct 15 07:22 |
schestowitz | Pidgin | Oct 15 07:22 |
schestowitz | Ekiga | Oct 15 07:22 |
schestowitz | Hexchat | Oct 15 07:22 |
schestowitz | weird that they promote xchat with the xchat logo | Oct 15 07:22 |
schestowitz | and speak of Hexchat | Oct 15 07:22 |
schestowitz | xchat is no longer maintained. for ages now | Oct 15 07:23 |
schestowitz | it's gnome-xchat and Hexchat, iirc | Oct 15 07:23 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 15 07:23 |
schestowitz | Compilers (such as gcc for programs in C and C++) for every computer language that has ever existed. | Oct 15 07:23 |
schestowitz | Debuggers such as gdb and various graphical front ends to it and many other debugging tools (such as valgrind). | Oct 15 07:23 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 15 07:23 |
schestowitz | They mention eclipse | Oct 15 07:23 |
schestowitz | no microsoft stuff so far | Oct 15 07:23 |
schestowitz | Sound Players: | Oct 15 07:24 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 15 07:24 |
schestowitz | Amarok | Oct 15 07:24 |
schestowitz | Audacity | Oct 15 07:24 |
schestowitz | Rhythmbox | Oct 15 07:24 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 15 07:24 |
schestowitz | Amarok in 2020? | Oct 15 07:24 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 15 07:24 |
schestowitz | Linux systems offer a number of movie players, including: | Oct 15 07:24 |
schestowitz | VLC | Oct 15 07:24 |
schestowitz | MPlayer | Oct 15 07:24 |
schestowitz | Xine | Oct 15 07:24 |
schestowitz | Totem | Oct 15 07:24 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 15 07:24 |
schestowitz | Movie Editors | Oct 15 07:24 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 15 07:24 |
schestowitz | Cinepaint | Oct 15 07:24 |
schestowitz | Blender | Oct 15 07:24 |
schestowitz | Cinelerra | Oct 15 07:24 |
schestowitz | FFmpeg | Oct 15 07:24 |
schestowitz | they then show an old version of GIMP | Oct 15 07:25 |
schestowitz | also names: | Oct 15 07:25 |
schestowitz | eog | Oct 15 07:25 |
schestowitz | Inkscape | Oct 15 07:25 |
schestowitz | convert | Oct 15 07:25 |
schestowitz | Scribus | Oct 15 07:25 |
schestowitz | "Linux system administrators spend a significant amount of their time at a command line prompt. They often automate and troubleshoot tasks in this text environment. There is a saying, "graphical user interfaces make easy tasks easier, while command line interfaces make difficult tasks possible". Linux relies heavily on the abundance of command line tools." | Oct 15 07:26 |
schestowitz | "By default, on GNOME desktop environments, the gnome-terminal application is used to emulate a text-mode terminal in a window" | Oct 15 07:27 |
schestowitz | only GNOME shown | Oct 15 07:27 |
schestowitz | the image cuts off the "G" in GNU | Oct 15 07:28 |
schestowitz | and it says "NU core utils" | Oct 15 07:28 |
schestowitz | lol | Oct 15 07:28 |
schestowitz | could not crop it fully from the manpage? | Oct 15 07:28 |
schestowitz | they added the "sudo make me a sandwich" image/joke | Oct 15 07:29 |
schestowitz | how very appropriate | Oct 15 07:29 |
schestowitz | maybe they even bought a licence for that | Oct 15 07:29 |
schestowitz | at least they say "directories" and not "folders" | Oct 15 07:31 |
schestowitz | it's all GNU commands | Oct 15 07:31 |
schestowitz | yet they never mention the word "GNU" | Oct 15 07:31 |
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schestowitz | now it's almost entirely GNU commands... under the "Linux" banner | Oct 15 07:36 |
schestowitz | they teach red hat, suse and debian packaging systems | Oct 15 07:36 |
schestowitz | "You can use the Yellowdog Updater Modified (yum) open source command-line package management utility for RPM-compatible Linux operating systems." | Oct 15 07:39 |
schestowitz | they moved to dnf already | Oct 15 07:39 |
schestowitz | and mostly standardised on it by now | Oct 15 07:39 |
schestowitz | "Access the GNU info System." | Oct 15 07:40 |
schestowitz | They mention GNU now | Oct 15 07:40 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 15 07:41 |
schestowitz | The next source of Linux documentation is the GNU Info System. | Oct 15 07:41 |
schestowitz | This is the GNU project's standard documentation format, which it prefers as an alternative to man. The Info System is basically free-form, and supports linked subsections. | Oct 15 07:41 |
schestowitz | Functionally, info resembles man in many ways. However, topics are connected using links (even though its design predates the World Wide Web). Information can be viewed through either a command line interface, a graphical help utility, printed or viewed online. | Oct 15 07:41 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 15 07:41 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 15 07:42 |
schestowitz | In addition to the man pages, the GNU info System, and the help command, there are other sources of Linux documentation, some examples of which include: | Oct 15 07:42 |
schestowitz | Desktop help system | Oct 15 07:42 |
schestowitz | Package documentation | Oct 15 07:42 |
schestowitz | Online resources. | Oct 15 07:42 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 15 07:42 |
schestowitz | now they mention kde docs alongside gnome ones | Oct 15 07:42 |
schestowitz | "The ps Command (BSD Style)" | Oct 15 07:46 |
schestowitz | So a course on "Linux" does BSD | Oct 15 07:47 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 15 07:51 |
schestowitz | It also offers implementations of filesystems used on other alien operating systems, such as those from: | Oct 15 07:51 |
schestowitz | Windows (ntfs, vfat) | Oct 15 07:51 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 15 07:52 |
schestowitz | they only teach nano and gedit | Oct 15 08:00 |
schestowitz | gedit has just called for fundraising | Oct 15 08:01 |
schestowitz | "vi and emacs" mentioned briefly | Oct 15 08:01 |
schestowitz | "We should do similar exercises for emacs, which also has a wide user base and has many dedicated fans. However, given the limited amount of time, we recommend you do these labs as homework anyway, and if you are not already proficient with vi or emacs, just use nano or gedit or kedit for the course, as these simple editors have virtually no learning curve." | Oct 15 08:03 |
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schestowitz | "awk is used to extract and then print specific contents of a file and is often used to construct reports. It was created at Bell Labs in the 1970s and derived its name from the last names of its authors: Alfred Aho, Peter Weinberger, and Brian Kernighan." | Oct 15 08:15 |
schestowitz | Not so shockingly, "LinuxFoundationX LFS101x - Introduction to Linux" is MOSTLY #GNU utilities; I checked ALL the pages there. | Oct 15 08:22 |
schestowitz | Networking taught as introduction to Linux | Oct 15 08:23 |
schestowitz | odd | Oct 15 08:23 |
schestowitz | like ipv4/6 is a "Linux" thing | Oct 15 08:23 |
schestowitz | they they teach programming | Oct 15 08:33 |
schestowitz | in a "Linux" course | Oct 15 08:33 |
schestowitz | odd | Oct 15 08:33 |
schestowitz | edx tries to lump everything under the "Linux" brand | Oct 15 08:35 |
schestowitz | inc. bash programming | Oct 15 08:35 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 15 08:37 |
schestowitz | for | Oct 15 08:37 |
schestowitz | while | Oct 15 08:37 |
schestowitz | until. | Oct 15 08:37 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 15 08:37 |
schestowitz | for a "Linux" course | Oct 15 08:37 |
schestowitz | chapter 16 | Oct 15 08:38 |
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liberty_box | https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/10/vivaldi-browser-arcade-game?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+d0od+%28OMG%21+Ubuntu%21%29 | Oct 15 09:32 |
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schestowitz | > For the moment, I am getting most of the links from | Oct 15 14:14 |
schestowitz | > http://techrights.org/category/microsoft/page/94/ etc. | Oct 15 14:14 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 15 14:14 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft | Techrights - Part 94 | Oct 15 14:14 | |
schestowitz | > Simply looking for the best places to add them-- that's the work | Oct 15 14:14 |
schestowitz | > involved. This includes both links to existing TR articles, and | Oct 15 14:14 |
schestowitz | > sometimes links to external pages. Linking to TR articles is easier, and | Oct 15 14:14 |
schestowitz | > sometimes adds the context (makes it more accessible) needed to show the | Oct 15 14:14 |
schestowitz | > connection-- linking to external pages helps show "no, this isn't just | Oct 15 14:14 |
schestowitz | > about stuff on TR agreeing with stuff on TR". | Oct 15 14:14 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 15 14:14 |
schestowitz | > Usually the existing articles themselves link to external pages, but a | Oct 15 14:14 |
schestowitz | > superficial (dishonest, Twitter-esque) dismissal is easier if the first | Oct 15 14:14 |
schestowitz | > hop always is always to TR. If it goes to a variety of places on the | Oct 15 14:14 |
schestowitz | > first hop, it's harder (not impossible, audiences can be superficial | Oct 15 14:15 |
schestowitz | > too) for them to get away with such nonsense. | Oct 15 14:15 |
schestowitz | Phoronix does lots of that too, yet nobody complains because the topic isn't as contentious. | Oct 15 14:15 |
schestowitz | will publish shortly re FIDO | Oct 15 14:27 |
schestowitz | got some whistleblower | Oct 15 14:27 |
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XRevan86 | MPlayer and Xine… very modern :) | Oct 15 16:05 |
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schestowitz | Chaekyung: more modern than modern | Oct 15 16:22 |
schestowitz | Cinelerra also | Oct 15 16:23 |
schestowitz | hardly heard of it in more than a decade now... | Oct 15 16:23 |
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smnthermes | https://old.reddit.com/r/WatchRedditDie/comments/j4fsi1/reddit_rewrites_history_by_excluding_aaron_swartz/ | Oct 15 16:47 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-old.reddit.com | Reddit Rewrites History By Excluding Aaron Swartz : WatchRedditDie | Oct 15 16:47 | |
smnthermes | Oof | Oct 15 16:47 |
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XRevan86 | On a flip side, Aaron would not have liked to have been associated with what Reddit has become. | Oct 15 16:53 |
XRevan86 | > It doesn't matter if he regreted selling Infogami to Not A Bug (Reddit), then being bought out by a big corporation. The point is without Aaron there is no Reddit. Can they not even put their egos aside for their dead colleague, and acknowledge his contribution to being part of the original team? | Oct 15 16:56 |
schestowitz | true | Oct 15 17:02 |
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DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz All of these people get pissed off about even having to be in court, but the CEO of Stamdard Oil at least made a forceful defense that they had a naturally occurring monopoly based on operating efficiency and good customer relations. | Oct 15 17:42 |
DaemonFC[m] | The court found against Standard and after the breakup, things did actually get worse for consumers. | Oct 15 17:42 |
DaemonFC[m] | But arguing that there were other operating systems and people just always chose yours after the illegal OEM contracts that destroyed them all or that people could choose Netscape, but why would they when they already had your browser, which came without an uninstaller, would be even more ridiculous. | Oct 15 17:44 |
DaemonFC[m] | Even after the takeover of Netscape by AOL, I originally had hoped that the AOL software would incorporate Gecko and that they would keep throwing money at Mozilla development. | Oct 15 17:45 |
DaemonFC[m] | But as the web became more open, AOL ceased being very relevant. | Oct 15 17:45 |
MinceR | now that the web is not open anymore, is AOL going to make a comeback? :> | Oct 15 17:46 |
DaemonFC[m] | Their online provider segment became less and less of a cash cow, and they made a lot of blunders like failing to exploit virtual service provider regulations that would have let them buy time on DSL lines at wholesale. | Oct 15 17:46 |
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XRevan86 | Apple: we will no longer ship power blocks with iPhone's, they hurt the environment and everyone already has them already | Oct 15 17:54 |
XRevan86 | Then Apple: puts a Type-C adapter for which no one has existing power blocks | Oct 15 17:54 |
XRevan86 | Amazing logic, I love it. | Oct 15 17:55 |
MinceR | :> | Oct 15 17:55 |
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kingoffrance | well aol had winamp | Oct 15 18:24 |
kingoffrance | they couldve been youtube that minibrowser thing | Oct 15 18:24 |
kingoffrance | instead, they distanced themselves from gnutella and i guess didnt do anything with shoutcast etc. | Oct 15 18:25 |
kingoffrance | not saying thats a giant loss, just they were there | Oct 15 18:26 |
kingoffrance | this streaming thing is not going anywhere | Oct 15 18:26 |
kingoffrance | im sure thats vastly oversimplified | Oct 15 18:27 |
kingoffrance | but you cant say they didnt have a heads-up | Oct 15 18:27 |
MinceR | yeah, aol bought nullsoft and drove it into the ground | Oct 15 18:29 |
MinceR | suits doing suit things | Oct 15 18:29 |
smnthermes | > [13:46:31] MinceR: now that the web is not open anymore, is AOL going to make a comeback? :> | Oct 15 18:34 |
smnthermes | Aoolgle? | Oct 15 18:34 |
kingoffrance | yaolhoogle | Oct 15 18:35 |
kingoffrance | well no thats not enough | Oct 15 18:35 |
kingoffrance | iyaolhoogle | Oct 15 18:35 |
MinceR | lol | Oct 15 18:37 |
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DaemonFC[m] | They absolutely could have done something with Winamp and Netscape, but they didn't. | Oct 15 18:57 |
DaemonFC[m] | They just lost 99% of the money they invested and then chopped them for parts. | Oct 15 18:57 |
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DaemonFC[m] | Between adding each other to our accounts as authorized users we now have 5 credit card accounts, which will get rid of that "thin credit file" penalty from FICO. | Oct 15 19:32 |
DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I think we're going to get an apartment. | Oct 15 19:32 |
DaemonFC[m] | The screening company this guy uses returned that I had a bankruptcy (true) but didn't say anything about the dismissed misdemeanors. | Oct 15 19:32 |
DaemonFC[m] | So I don't look all that bad. | Oct 15 19:33 |
DaemonFC[m] | If he approves us it's going to be one of those "Just give him whatever he says he wants and get the hell in there." things as far as I'm concerned. | Oct 15 19:33 |
DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: "I'd like to congratulate you for surviving. And managing to pack on a few pounds." -GLaDOS | Oct 15 19:34 |
DaemonFC[m] | It gave Mandy a very good "resident score" and mine was okay. | Oct 15 19:35 |
DaemonFC[m] | That model doesn't look at bankruptcies all that closely. What it does get weighted for is evictions and foreclosures, which I have never had. | Oct 15 19:35 |
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DaemonFC[m] | If anything, those reports simply corroborate what I already told him, so fingers crossed. | Oct 15 19:36 |
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liberty_box | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFAEs44WGEg - you can pet me, but don't eat me. | Oct 15 19:51 |
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DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz Good news on the apartment. | Oct 15 20:00 |
DaemonFC[m] | Approved. Putting down the deposit now. He said just deposit today and then first months rent when we move in. It's being remodeled and ready next month. | Oct 15 20:01 |
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schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: excellent! | Oct 15 20:13 |
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Chaekyung | how do you know it's tracking? | Oct 15 20:29 |
Chaekyung | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143253 | Oct 15 20:29 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Microsoft spyware disguised as calculator (spying on keypresses) celebrated in 'Linux' sites | Tux Machines | Oct 15 20:29 | |
Chaekyung | to bad you only posted links with comments and didn't do a proper longer writeup | Oct 15 20:30 |
Chaekyung | Guess I'll have to join the other sites in writing a news piece about such great microsoft product | Oct 15 20:30 |
Chaekyung | of crouse I don't have snap | Oct 15 20:34 |
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schestowitz | Chaekyung: hang on, I will add a link | Oct 15 20:42 |
schestowitz | it's in github iirc | Oct 15 20:42 |
schestowitz | i.e. microsoft url, I prefer not to link to those | Oct 15 20:42 |
schestowitz | https://www.google.com/search?client=falkon&ei=LqaIX-ulCM-jgAbhqoKIBQ&q=microsoft+calculator+telemetry&oq=microsoft+calculator+telemetry&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIJCAAQyQMQFhAeOgQIABBHOgUIABDJAzoGCAAQFhAeUKB6WJ-EAWCAiwFoAHADeACAAWyIAcoGkgEDNy4ymAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpesgBCMABAQ&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwjr9NXNrbfsAhXPEcAKHWGVAFEQ4dUDCA0&uact=5 | Oct 15 20:43 |
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schestowitz | lots there | Oct 15 20:43 |
schestowitz | without linking to the microsoft urls | Oct 15 20:43 |
Chaekyung | https://github.com/Microsoft/calculator#diagnostic-data | Oct 15 20:43 |
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schestowitz | reddit has many pages on it | Oct 15 20:43 |
Chaekyung | It says on the GitHub page that it's the spyware | Oct 15 20:43 |
schestowitz | Windows 10: Even the calculator has build in keylogger and ... | Oct 15 20:43 |
Chaekyung | if the Uno port is or not.. idk | Oct 15 20:43 |
schestowitz | Microsoft MIT-licensed code for calculator contains telemetry ... | Oct 15 20:43 |
schestowitz | 10 Mar 2019 | Oct 15 20:43 |
schestowitz | calc.exe is now open source; there's surprising depth in its ... | Oct 15 20:43 |
schestowitz | 7 Mar 2019 | Oct 15 20:43 |
schestowitz | Calculator will no longer log invalid pasted text in telemetry ... | Oct 15 20:43 |
schestowitz | 13 Mar 2019 | Oct 15 20:43 |
schestowitz | This is why Microsoft doesn't release source code for their ... | Oct 15 20:43 |
schestowitz | 10 Mar 2019 | Oct 15 20:43 |
schestowitz | More results from www.reddit.com | Oct 15 20:44 |
schestowitz | not so irrelevant | Oct 15 20:44 |
schestowitz | because they help promote suspicious codebase | Oct 15 20:44 |
schestowitz | of a company that's attacking us, still | Oct 15 20:44 |
Chaekyung | oh that's your take on it, since original product is bad you don't like a port of it that promotes Microsoft | Oct 15 20:45 |
schestowitz | I will paste a discussion related to this | Oct 15 20:45 |
schestowitz | (from today( | Oct 15 20:45 |
schestowitz | [14:11] <schestowitz> >>> By the way, apropos sw patents and software freedom as part of the | Oct 15 20:45 |
schestowitz | [14:11] <schestowitz> >>> larger scope in regards to human rights, how familiar are you with | Oct 15 20:45 |
schestowitz | [14:11] <schestowitz> >>> Central American and South American history in regards to US corporate | Oct 15 20:45 |
schestowitz | [14:11] <schestowitz> >>> interests? United Fruit is one illustrative case study. IMO it is kind | Oct 15 20:45 |
schestowitz | [14:11] <schestowitz> >>> of the same interests and reasons that are nowadays disrupting and | Oct 15 20:45 |
schestowitz | [14:11] <schestowitz> >>> attacking FOSS. | Oct 15 20:45 |
schestowitz | [14:11] <schestowitz> >> I am aware of it by name, but not the underlying nature or it or | Oct 15 20:45 |
schestowitz | [14:11] <schestowitz> >> methods. I'd have to do a lot of reading to come up with any meaningful | Oct 15 20:45 |
schestowitz | [14:11] <schestowitz> >> comparisons. | Oct 15 20:46 |
schestowitz | [14:11] <schestowitz> >> | Oct 15 20:46 |
schestowitz | [14:11] <schestowitz> >> | Oct 15 20:46 |
schestowitz | [14:11] <schestowitz> > The US overthrew a lot of governments for them and had a lot of | Oct 15 20:46 |
schestowitz | [14:11] <schestowitz> > individuals killed or otherwise eliminated in the name of somewhat | Oct 15 20:46 |
schestowitz | [14:11] <schestowitz> > increased profits. The US military fought on their behalf, too. | Oct 15 20:46 |
schestowitz | [14:11] <schestowitz> > | Oct 15 20:46 |
schestowitz | [14:11] <schestowitz> > Here is one tiny bit of their history, regarding Honduras: | Oct 15 20:46 |
schestowitz | [14:11] <schestowitz> > https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2009/07/hond-j09.html | Oct 15 20:46 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wsws.org | Background to the Honduran coup: Poverty, exploitation and imperialist domination - World Socialist Web Site | Oct 15 20:46 | |
schestowitz | [14:11] <schestowitz> I know that much (watched many videos years ago), but not enough to know methods and machinations to draw parallels in gnu/fs. Except very superficial and genetic ones. I can think of better analogies from Brits in India and Nazi Germany, using locals as moles or "kapos". | Oct 15 20:46 |
schestowitz | [14:29] <schestowitz> >> Can you populate the above texts with concrete and further examples? I | Oct 15 20:46 |
schestowitz | [14:29] <schestowitz> >> can then integrate it into a future article. | Oct 15 20:46 |
schestowitz | [14:29] <schestowitz> >> | Oct 15 20:46 |
schestowitz | [14:29] <schestowitz> >> I'm wary of writing about things I don't know well enough. | Oct 15 20:46 |
schestowitz | [14:29] <schestowitz> >> | Oct 15 20:46 |
schestowitz | [14:29] <schestowitz> >> | Oct 15 20:46 |
schestowitz | [14:29] <schestowitz> > It's not really suitable material for an article, but useful background | Oct 15 20:46 |
schestowitz | [14:29] <schestowitz> > information. There will not be a fresh paper trail to work with. There | Oct 15 20:46 |
schestowitz | [14:29] <schestowitz> > might be one a decade or two from now should people talk and should | Oct 15 20:46 |
schestowitz | [14:29] <schestowitz> > there even be a decade or two from now. | Oct 15 20:46 |
schestowitz | [14:29] <schestowitz> > | Oct 15 20:46 |
schestowitz | [14:29] <schestowitz> > You can dig a lot of concrete examples of m$ interference if people are | Oct 15 20:46 |
schestowitz | [14:29] <schestowitz> > willing to talk. That'll be the hard part. | Oct 15 20:46 |
schestowitz | -------- | Oct 15 20:46 |
schestowitz | Canonical is also promoting this now | Oct 15 20:46 |
schestowitz | no reason to | Oct 15 20:46 |
schestowitz | it's a culculator | Oct 15 20:46 |
schestowitz | *Calc | Oct 15 20:46 |
schestowitz | but they suck up to Microsoft | Oct 15 20:46 |
schestowitz | by generating fake "buzz" | Oct 15 20:47 |
DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz I spoke with my attorney. | Oct 15 20:48 |
DaemonFC[m] | He said don't worry about it. Almost certainly just vindictive crap and the cops took a report they don't plan to do anything about. | Oct 15 20:49 |
schestowitz | maybe half the report was on Arabic, DaemonFC[m] | Oct 15 20:49 |
schestowitz | if you don't mind mild humour | Oct 15 20:50 |
DaemonFC[m] | He said do not go there to make a statement because if they just file it away and forget, it would be pointless. | Oct 15 20:50 |
schestowitz | *in Arabic | Oct 15 20:50 |
DaemonFC[m] | No reason to draw more attention and potentially say something bad for me. | Oct 15 20:50 |
DaemonFC[m] | If I have to go to court over this, I'll be filing a lawsuit against them after I beat it. | Oct 15 20:51 |
DaemonFC[m] | Defamation of character. Costs of defense. | Oct 15 20:52 |
DaemonFC[m] | https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/15/early-voting-us-election-turnout-record | Oct 15 20:54 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-amp.theguardian.com | Millions of Americans voting early in what could be record election turnout | US elections 2020 | The Guardian | Oct 15 20:54 | |
DaemonFC[m] | 17.1 million votes cast so far. | Oct 15 20:54 |
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schestowitz | election day will be chaotic and trump will sabotage it for sure | Oct 15 20:59 |
schestowitz | next month you will still not know who "won" | Oct 15 20:59 |
schestowitz | that's his strategy | Oct 15 20:59 |
schestowitz | then he can start a war or something | Oct 15 20:59 |
schestowitz | if he doesn't get his way (the Orange One) | Oct 15 20:59 |
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schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: just fyi, latest: | Oct 15 21:06 |
schestowitz | https://truthout.org/articles/mitch-mcconnell-laughs-when-confronted-on-covid-inaction/ | Oct 15 21:06 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Mitch McConnell Laughs When Confronted on COVID Inaction | Oct 15 21:06 | |
schestowitz | https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/10/14/issued-when-no-one-was-looking-critics-warn-new-trump-guidance-eviction-moratorium | Oct 15 21:06 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Issued 'When No One Was Looking,' Critics Warn New Trump Guidance on Eviction Moratorium a Blow to Renter Protections and Public Health | Common Dreams News | Oct 15 21:06 | |
DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz this company didn't return any criminal records. So that stupid dismissed case didn't even factor in. | Oct 15 21:06 |
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schestowitz | (I thought i'd share it with you when I saw it hours ago) | Oct 15 21:07 |
DaemonFC[m] | He asked why we wanted to move. I told him the fee to stay at the hotel had gone up and that I felt it changed the value to price ratio too much. | Oct 15 21:07 |
DaemonFC[m] | He asked how much before and after I said like $1080 before and $1200 something after. But that it was a studio and I was very happy that it was there for us while it was but that it was outliving its usefulness. | Oct 15 21:08 |
DaemonFC[m] | It's still not killing us, but it is a slow burn money suck. | Oct 15 21:09 |
DaemonFC[m] | The rate hike was just the final nudge. | Oct 15 21:09 |
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DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz I'm glad that the rental moratoriums are coming to an end. | Oct 15 21:10 |
DaemonFC[m] | Do you know how hard it was to get an apartment while this was going on? | Oct 15 21:10 |
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schestowitz | https://www.crn.com/news/cloud/red-hat-integrates-ansible-and-openshift-for-cloud-native-automation | Oct 15 21:24 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.crn.com | Red Hat Integrates Ansible And OpenShift For Cloud-Native Automation | Oct 15 21:24 | |
schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: I can imagine | Oct 15 21:24 |
schestowitz | if you tenants won't pay | Oct 15 21:25 |
schestowitz | and you cannot evict | Oct 15 21:25 |
schestowitz | might as well keep them empty for now | Oct 15 21:25 |
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schestowitz | stupid scraper hitting techrights | Oct 15 21:33 |
schestowitz | causing timeouts | Oct 15 21:33 |
schestowitz | wth? | Oct 15 21:33 |
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vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Unicode and colour makes terminal apps great. | Oct 15 22:17 |
schestowitz | yup | Oct 15 22:18 |
schestowitz | tmux is cool | Oct 15 22:18 |
schestowitz | htop uses colour | Oct 15 22:18 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | I couldn't live without tmux | Oct 15 22:18 |
schestowitz | nmon uses colour also | Oct 15 22:18 |
schestowitz | it's graphing usage over time | Oct 15 22:18 |
schestowitz | like sonar, sort og | Oct 15 22:18 |
schestowitz | *of | Oct 15 22:18 |
schestowitz | screen is ok, but it's older and seems simpler | Oct 15 22:19 |
schestowitz | I saw recommendations of things unlike tmux | Oct 15 22:19 |
schestowitz | calling tmux "bloat" | Oct 15 22:19 |
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schestowitz | tmux is also prisoner of MSFT in github | Oct 15 22:19 |
schestowitz | iirc, it started 2007 | Oct 15 22:19 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | I don't see GitHub lasting for too long with things like Gitea around | Oct 15 22:20 |
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vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | I think they're just mining the data while they can | Oct 15 22:21 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | they being GitHub | Oct 15 22:21 |
schestowitz | gitea is github-hosted | Oct 15 22:22 |
schestowitz | in 2017, iirc, they said it would change | Oct 15 22:22 |
schestowitz | I still wait for that migration to be finalised | Oct 15 22:22 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Same | Oct 15 22:22 |
schestowitz | some prodding can help | Oct 15 22:22 |
schestowitz | but... | Oct 15 22:23 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | But they are offering a lightweight alternative | Oct 15 22:23 |
schestowitz | I cannot communicate with them | Oct 15 22:23 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | I think they have enough problems atm | Oct 15 22:23 |
schestowitz | I don't have a Github (Microsoft) account :-) | Oct 15 22:23 |
schestowitz | reminds me of gitlab saying, come to us... OOPS! We're Azure-hosted | Oct 15 22:23 |
schestowitz | and then they worked to correct that | Oct 15 22:23 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | I have to keep up with a lot of things so I don't have an option | Oct 15 22:23 |
schestowitz | seeing people saw the issue moving from github (MSFT) to gitlab (MSFT-hosted) | Oct 15 22:23 |
schestowitz | there's a project connected or similar to gitea | Oct 15 22:24 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Gitlab are a joke | Oct 15 22:24 |
schestowitz | maybe a fork | Oct 15 22:24 |
schestowitz | I cannot remember | Oct 15 22:24 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | You couldn't even do variable nesting in their CI/CD solution | Oct 15 22:24 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: gitea is a fork of gogs | Oct 15 22:24 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Let me find the issue hold on | Oct 15 22:24 |
schestowitz | yeah, gogs | Oct 15 22:24 |
schestowitz | so it's the other way around | Oct 15 22:24 |
schestowitz | we need help, we need to get the message out | Oct 15 22:25 |
schestowitz | make github the next codeplex | Oct 15 22:25 |
schestowitz | asap | Oct 15 22:25 |
schestowitz | the sooner, the better | Oct 15 22:25 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-runner/-/issues/1809 | Oct 15 22:25 |
schestowitz | zemlin and his sunshine boys work overtime to hand over Linux to Microsoft (GitHub) | Oct 15 22:25 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Use variable inside other variable (#1809) · Issues · GitLab.org / gitlab-runner · GitLab | Oct 15 22:25 | |
schestowitz | and some gnu projects foolishly rehost there also | Oct 15 22:25 |
schestowitz | vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx: too much complexity | Oct 15 22:26 |
schestowitz | all this "workflow" stuff | Oct 15 22:26 |
schestowitz | maybe I never worked in a team large enough in conjuction | Oct 15 22:26 |
schestowitz | but linux has like 1000+ active devs | Oct 15 22:26 |
schestowitz | they manage ok with email workflows | Oct 15 22:26 |
schestowitz | conjuction=> conjunction | Oct 15 22:27 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Email has its drawbacks too tbh | Oct 15 22:27 |
schestowitz | at least it's standard | Oct 15 22:27 |
schestowitz | and works on so many devices | Oct 15 22:27 |
schestowitz | we wrote LOTS of articles about it 2 months ago | Oct 15 22:27 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | It would be a lot easier to just use something like bugzilla for dev and keep Git for DVCS | Oct 15 22:27 |
schestowitz | when Microsoft Foundation (LF) lobbied for Linux on ShiteLab | Oct 15 22:27 |
schestowitz | I mean ShiteHub | Oct 15 22:27 |
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schestowitz | ShiteLab too would be bad | Oct 15 22:28 |
schestowitz | it's dual-licensed, hence "trap" | Oct 15 22:28 |
schestowitz | bugzilla is OK | Oct 15 22:28 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | I like email, don't get me wrong, but it isn't that great for dev because you need to worry about archiving and a lot of other stuff | Oct 15 22:28 |
schestowitz | I installed it a few times, does what it's mean to, self-hosted, not bloated | Oct 15 22:28 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Yeah | Oct 15 22:28 |
schestowitz | email is better for archiving | Oct 15 22:28 |
schestowitz | I get changelog in my inbox | Oct 15 22:28 |
schestowitz | in my mail client of choice | Oct 15 22:28 |
schestowitz | can't say the same about all those web frameworks | Oct 15 22:29 |
schestowitz | I can search it, forward, merge, archive, run emails tools on | Oct 15 22:29 |
schestowitz | like mhonarc | Oct 15 22:29 |
schestowitz | very unix-like mentality of pies with RFCs | Oct 15 22:29 |
schestowitz | *pipes | Oct 15 22:29 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | I'd personally rather have something that just has a simple SQLite DB that I can easily backup | Oct 15 22:30 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | But I'm fine with email. I can live with it | Oct 15 22:31 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | The biggest gripe I have with email is that there's no ACK that someone got what you sent them | Oct 15 22:32 |
schestowitz | you can do email as db | Oct 15 22:32 |
schestowitz | email does have extension for receipt to sender, but it's not strictly enforced | Oct 15 22:32 |
schestowitz | though you can train people to always send ack when read | Oct 15 22:33 |
DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "might as well keep them empty fo"> Surprised me that it was still so easy to do business with this guy. | Oct 15 22:33 |
schestowitz | (not when received but read) | Oct 15 22:33 |
DaemonFC[m] | Signed the lease and put the deposit down with him. | Oct 15 22:33 |
schestowitz | good | Oct 15 22:33 |
schestowitz | don't make him regret it | Oct 15 22:33 |
schestowitz | be a model tenant, hold on to it | Oct 15 22:33 |
schestowitz | things will be grim soon, election chaos | Oct 15 22:33 |
schestowitz | maybe sanctions | Oct 15 22:33 |
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MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/689259.jpg | Oct 15 22:40 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | All that sugar | Oct 15 22:40 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Btw, why no TLS on the login page? | Oct 15 22:41 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | schestowitz | Oct 15 22:41 |
MinceR | blue waffles | Oct 15 22:41 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Berries? | Oct 15 22:42 |
MinceR | "Blue waffle: An Internet hoax originating in 2010 purporting an unknown sexually transmitted disease affecting only women, causing severe infection and blue discoloration to the vagina. The disease has been confirmed as false." | Oct 15 22:42 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Oh | Oct 15 22:43 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | I live under a rock. Thanks for educating me | Oct 15 22:43 |
MinceR | np | Oct 15 22:44 |
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vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Speaking of client/server, been thinking of getting one of those new Raspberry Pis | Oct 15 22:52 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | The 8GB ones | Oct 15 22:52 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Test out some ideas | Oct 15 22:52 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Anyone here got one? | Oct 15 22:53 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | I'm on the old 3 B+ atm and the RAM limitation is an issue | Oct 15 22:53 |
schestowitz | sometimes MinceR posts jokes that are hard to grasp because of references I never heard of before | Oct 15 22:53 |
MinceR | the newest rpi i have is a rpi4B 4GB | Oct 15 22:53 |
schestowitz | vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx: the 8gb one? | Oct 15 22:53 |
schestowitz | someone wanted to buy me one, sort of | Oct 15 22:54 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Yeah the 8GB one | Oct 15 22:54 |
schestowitz | how many cores and what speed? | Oct 15 22:54 |
MinceR | even that one was not terribly well supported when i tried to put it in place of my rpi2... | Oct 15 22:54 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | I can make 1GB work if I write my own software but it's nice to just have something I can use Wordpress on and forget. lol | Oct 15 22:54 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | I think the 4B is Quad core 1.5GHz | Oct 15 22:56 |
MinceR | (audio) https://hugelolcdn.com/v/689123.webm | Oct 15 22:56 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | ARMv8 or something like that | Oct 15 22:56 |
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vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Raspbian isn't doing well with their firmware | Oct 15 22:58 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | The latest testing `apt` updates caused SD card errors for me | Oct 15 22:58 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | I had to reflash the card. Bit annoying | Oct 15 22:58 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | And the problem is that I wasn't aware I was going to get "testing" updated bundled in with "stable" ones | Oct 15 23:00 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | updates* | Oct 15 23:01 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Guess that's what you get when you don't pay attention to the output. *facepalm* | Oct 15 23:01 |
schestowitz | [22:56] <vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx> ARMv8 or something like that | Oct 15 23:04 |
schestowitz | sounds good and powerful enough | Oct 15 23:04 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Oh yeah. You can definitely run a hell of a lot on those. Especially if you use something like Rust to drive your apps | Oct 15 23:04 |
schestowitz | MinceR: lol, saved as vr.webm | Oct 15 23:05 |
schestowitz | i will use it in my next post | Oct 15 23:05 |
schestowitz | something about tech for dumb folks | Oct 15 23:05 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | And it has 3A power supply so it can handle quite a lot of peripherals, I think. | Oct 15 23:06 |
schestowitz | it's short enough to be fair use, I think, with no clear attribution | Oct 15 23:06 |
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thddx | i'm on a pi4 now. i barely use my desktop anymore | Oct 15 23:07 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | I need my desktop for the umph | Oct 15 23:08 |
thddx | i just turn it on if i do | Oct 15 23:08 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | I have an 8 core processor that can hit about 5GHz | Oct 15 23:08 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Really helps when I cba to do things cleanly and just brute force xD | Oct 15 23:08 |
thddx | hard to beat the 5-15w consumption | Oct 15 23:08 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Indeed | Oct 15 23:09 |
thddx | when mainly typing and reading | Oct 15 23:09 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | It's perfectly adequate for hosting a general-purpose server as well | Oct 15 23:09 |
thddx | indeed | Oct 15 23:09 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | 8GB is a lot of RAM | Oct 15 23:09 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | CPU definitely up to scratch too | Oct 15 23:10 |
thddx | runs void well, but most hardware does | Oct 15 23:10 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Idk what I'd put on mine | Oct 15 23:10 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | I usually play it safe with Debian | Oct 15 23:10 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | but Debian has been blowing up in my face a lot, recently | Oct 15 23:11 |
MinceR | schestowitz: :) | Oct 15 23:11 |
thddx | i'd consider openbsd too | Oct 15 23:11 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | It would have to be Linux for me | Oct 15 23:11 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | I don't want to live without my namespaces and cgroups | Oct 15 23:11 |
thddx | that's fair | Oct 15 23:12 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | I might just try Arch and see how that goes | Oct 15 23:12 |
thddx | it works | Oct 15 23:13 |
thddx | i've tried it | Oct 15 23:13 |
thddx | pretty painless | Oct 15 23:13 |
thddx | no real gotchas | Oct 15 23:13 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | I don't mind rolling-release. I'd just need to put in some legwork to set up a snapshotting filesystem | Oct 15 23:13 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Then I can sleep easy and let the thing update itself | Oct 15 23:13 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Can just roll back if things go tits up | Oct 15 23:13 |
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vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | I did that on my old FreeBSD box that had ZFS on it | Oct 15 23:14 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Might try BTRFS though this time. I heard it's good when you need to change storage layouts frequently | Oct 15 23:15 |
thddx | i've used btrfs for many years on servers & desktops | Oct 15 23:15 |
thddx | never had any issues | Oct 15 23:15 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | That's good to know | Oct 15 23:15 |
thddx | adding/removing many disks from arrays | Oct 15 23:16 |
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | I don't know what storage requirements are atm so BTRFS is very attractive to me | Oct 15 23:16 |
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vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Bed time for me. Have a good one, all! | Oct 15 23:19 |
thddx | g'night | Oct 15 23:19 |
schestowitz | lol twitter broke down | Oct 15 23:19 |
schestowitz | again | Oct 15 23:19 |
schestowitz | it's like read-only site now | Oct 15 23:20 |
schestowitz | vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx: 0/ | Oct 15 23:20 |
thddx | ahead of the big duel u.s. presidential town hall | Oct 15 23:20 |
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thddx | the censor bots must have been overworked | Oct 15 23:21 |
MinceR | :> | Oct 15 23:22 |
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Here is every new feature and improvement we found in Chrome OS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143189#comment-26727 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4b178826-d7cd-4616-a2a2-5502230cd727] | Oct 15 23:23 | |
MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/689215.jpg | Oct 15 23:23 |
schestowitz | unfortunate layout | Oct 15 23:25 |
MinceR | :> | Oct 15 23:26 |
DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz Always planned to. Those people yesterday had me a bit hot under the collar, but unless it's illegal to say "Hey, what do you think you're doing making these kinds of mistakes with our application?" I think I'm okay. | Oct 15 23:29 |
DaemonFC[m] | I gave my attorney a heads up in case it got more serious, but he thinks they're not going to do anything. The desk sergeant also laughed it off and said don't worry. | Oct 15 23:29 |
cybrNaut | if you notice when twtr goes down, it likely means you're using it too much | Oct 15 23:29 |
DaemonFC[m] | I said "I'm more than happy to make a more detailed statement about this, through my attorney, but I didn't do anything wrong there and left when asked.". | Oct 15 23:30 |
schestowitz | cybrNaut: no, there are fail whales too | Oct 15 23:32 |
schestowitz | seems like a central issue | Oct 15 23:32 |
schestowitz | and... maybe related to just UK datacentres, hard to tell | Oct 15 23:33 |
schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19210359 | Oct 15 23:33 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #twitter has been broken (in #uk at least) for at least one hour now. So twitter broke down again, it's like read-only site now... with failwhales here and there too. I like it. STAY THAT WAY :-D | Oct 15 23:33 | |
cybrNaut | what's a fail whale? | Oct 15 23:37 |
cybrNaut | ah, nvm | Oct 15 23:38 |
cybrNaut | i never know when twtr shits the bed b/c I quit using it as soon as they locked my acct & demanded a phone # to get it back | Oct 15 23:40 |
_I3^RELATIVISM | a lot of stuff seamto be down today, probably a major cordenated atack | Oct 15 23:42 |
schestowitz | had ddos on techrights minutes ago | Oct 15 23:42 |
schestowitz | and also a few hours ago | Oct 15 23:42 |
_I3^RELATIVISM | big important privacy services servers as well | Oct 15 23:42 |
schestowitz | we're still blocking some sections of the site | Oct 15 23:42 |
_I3^RELATIVISM | libredns is down | Oct 15 23:42 |
_I3^RELATIVISM | libregit is down | Oct 15 23:43 |
_I3^RELATIVISM | and funny traffic on i2p | Oct 15 23:43 |
schestowitz | usually I say, maybe clownflare | Oct 15 23:43 |
schestowitz | then you check if it's the common denominator | Oct 15 23:43 |
schestowitz | all of them using it etc. | Oct 15 23:43 |
schestowitz | afaik, twitter does not | Oct 15 23:43 |
schestowitz | maybe uses akamai or something | Oct 15 23:43 |
_I3^RELATIVISM | also the perfect timing given people in major countris are distracted with holiday | Oct 15 23:43 |
schestowitz | holiday? | Oct 15 23:44 |
_I3^RELATIVISM | not none of those do | Oct 15 23:44 |
_I3^RELATIVISM | libregit or libredns that is is | Oct 15 23:44 |
schestowitz | my kde plasma diary says US world porty day | Oct 15 23:44 |
schestowitz | never heard of "poetry day" before | Oct 15 23:44 |
_I3^RELATIVISM | thanks gving | Oct 15 23:45 |
schestowitz | United Nations day on the 24th | Oct 15 23:45 |
schestowitz | next holiday (US) | Oct 15 23:45 |
_I3^RELATIVISM | this atacks started on monday | Oct 15 23:45 |
schestowitz | you got it wrong | Oct 15 23:46 |
_I3^RELATIVISM | at least for the servers I checked | Oct 15 23:46 |
schestowitz | thankgiving is 15th nov. this year | Oct 15 23:46 |
schestowitz | and should not affect uk | Oct 15 23:46 |
schestowitz | we're just thankful right now we have a 'boris' and not a 'donald' | Oct 15 23:46 |
_I3^RELATIVISM | not canadian | Oct 15 23:46 |
schestowitz | what is canada thankful for? ;-) | Oct 15 23:50 |
schestowitz | (the holiday itself, meguesses) | Oct 15 23:51 |
schestowitz | we might soon have another xmas break | Oct 15 23:51 |
schestowitz | liverpool has | Oct 15 23:51 |
schestowitz | 2-week lock-down at least, pretty much full lock-down again | Oct 15 23:52 |
schestowitz | slow, quiet, no pollution. Nature resets.. | Oct 15 23:52 |
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