●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, October 15, 2022 ●● ● Oct 15 [00:10] TR News FSD meeting recap 2022-10-14 https://www.fsf.org/blogs/directory/fsd-meeting-recap-2022-10-14 meeting moderated by people who demanded that FSF founder be removed from FSF [00:10] TR Bot FSD meeting recap 2022-10-14 Free Software Foundation Working together for free software [00:11] TR News "October 7, 2022 meeting, where we saw a couple of new programs added, an update to a collection page, and a discussion on the value of providing licensing and copyright notification file headers to every code file." "https://www.fsf.org/blogs/directory/fsd-meeting-recap-2022-10-07 [00:11] TR Bot FSD meeting recap 2022-10-07 Free Software Foundation Working together for free software [00:12] TR News Libera* Software Foundation. (*see Code of Conduct for things you cannot see or say) [00:14] TR News "If you have Windows installed on your computer and then installed a Linux distro next to that, your computer may not boot from the correct drive." https://www.androidauthority.com/change-windows-boot-drive-bios-3220576/ [00:14] TR Bot How to change the Windows boot drive in BIOS - Android Authority [00:16] TR News "The FIRST first was on gemlog.blue, which I quickly left after realizing it was completely unmoderated. The SECOND first was on smol.pub, which is a lovely place with a great dev, but over time I came to decide I wanted to keep my gemlog here on my capsule and maintain it myself." gemini://gemini.locrian.zone/gemlog/first_entry.gmi [00:20] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], Doctor Pizza not the "Doctor" with the DoorDash Pizza? [00:20] MinceR https://files.explosm.net/comics/Dave/coming2.gif ( https://explosm.net/comics/dave-coming#comic ) [00:21] TR Bot & Happiness (Explosm.net) [00:26] DaemonFC Don't mind mjg59_. [00:26] MinceR :> [00:27] DaemonFC He was just getting in a quick Pepperoni pizza before the land of fruits, nuts, and flakes has their pork ban go into effect. [00:27] DaemonFC Fucking morons. [00:28] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [00:33] *horseface_ has quit (connection closed) [00:34] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [00:35] *horseface_ (~horseface@skqi2ttwki4qc.irc) has joined #techrights [00:35] *horseface_ has quit (connection closed) [00:36] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [00:37] *horseface_ (~horseface@skqi2ttwki4qc.irc) has joined #techrights [00:37] *horseface_ has quit (connection closed) [00:39] *horseface_ (~horseface@skqi2ttwki4qc.irc) has joined #techrights [00:54] DaemonFC https://www.npr.org/2022/10/14/1129000615/the-fda-declares-a-shortage-of-adderall [00:54] TR Bot The FDA has officially declared a shortage of ADHD drug Adderall : NPR [00:55] DaemonFC "So some people are just going without," he said. "You know, they're not doing as well at their jobs. They're not really able to keep up as much in professional and personal relationships. Some people I've talked to are trying to compensate with other sort of stimulants, drinking a lot of coffee, energy drinks people I've talked to who have thought about going to the black market." [00:55] DaemonFC Drug addicts. [00:57] DaemonFC https://www.npr.org/2022/10/14/1129172979/election-software-ceo-is-charged-with-allegedly-giving-chinese-contractors-data- [00:57] TR Bot CEO of poll worker scheduling software company Konnech charged in Los Angeles : NPR [00:58] DaemonFC Slipping data to the Chinese. ● Oct 15 [01:11] TR News Trying to blame "GoLang" because people write programs in GoLang and "Linux" because people can install malware on Linux https://www.hackread.com/alchimist-attack-framework-linux-windows-mac/ [01:11] TR Bot Linux, Windows and macOS Hit By New "Alchimist" Attack Framework [01:12] TR News (NEW): The Wine development release 7.19 is now available. http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/wine_719.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/wine_719.gmi [01:12] TR Bot Tux Machines The Wine development release 7.19 is now available. [01:13] TR News Using Wikipedia from the Linux command line | Network World https://www.networkworld.com/article/3676572/using-wikipedia-from-the-linux-command-line.html Source: Network World | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.networkworld.com/article/3676572/using-wikipedia-from-the-linux-command-line.html [01:13] TR Bot Using Wikipedia from the Linux command line | Network World [01:32] DaemonFC https://www.npr.org/sections/pictureshow/2022/10/13/1126878376/christian-lee-captures-black-gun-ownership-in-armed-doesnt-mean-dangerous [01:32] TR Bot These are the faces of the rising number of Black gun owners in the U.S. : The Picture Show : NPR [01:33] DaemonFC They mean ones with a permit, I'm assuming? [01:35] DaemonFC The ones with the permits are getting them because of the people without the permits that the cops just watch commit felonies and then go "What do you want us to do about it? Oh here, we'll frame you for a traffic ticket while we're here.". [01:37] XRevan86 https://openwrt.org/releases/22.03/notes-22.03.1 [01:37] TR Bot [OpenWrt Wiki] OpenWrt 22.03.1 - Service Release - 12 October 2022 [01:43] *horseface__ (~horseface@3ncd5wq5phcgs.irc) has joined #techrights [01:43] *horseface_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:46] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:46] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:48] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [01:50] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@ngvjyiryrrbba.irc) has joined #techrights [01:50] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [01:50] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [01:50] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-13.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [01:50] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-13.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [01:50] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-13.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [01:50] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-13.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [01:50] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-13.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [01:50] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-13.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [01:50] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 18.46 k/sec., IPFS upstream 97.55 average k/sec., average swarm size 122.01 [01:50] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 18.46 k/sec., IPFS upstream 97.55 average k/sec., average swarm size 122.01 [01:50] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 18.46 k/sec., IPFS upstream 97.55 average k/sec., average swarm size 122.01 [01:50] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 18.46 k/sec., IPFS upstream 97.55 average k/sec., average swarm size 122.01 [01:56] *oarion7 (~anonymous@user/oarion7) has joined #techrights [01:59] whitenigga frog: you're insane dawg [01:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.31 k/sec., IPFS upstream 137.90 average k/sec., average swarm size 124.31 ● Oct 15 [02:04] *starstreak picks up her vape, presses the button and inhales [02:04] *starstreak exhales smoke out of her nose [02:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [02:25] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [02:27] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [02:28] reptilian_thrills starstreak! if there must beee streeeeaaak, pleeeeease let this staaaarrstreeeeaaaaak... [02:28] reptilian_thrills staaaaaayyy..... [02:28] reptilian_thrills [02:39] *oarion7 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [02:41] TR News Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-141022.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-141022.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-social-141022.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-141022.txt [02:41] TR Bot IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, October 14, 2022 [02:42] TR News Yesterday's #techrights IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-141022.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-141022.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techrights-141022.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techrights-141022.txt [02:42] TR Bot IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, October 14, 2022 [02:43] TR News Yesterday's #boycottnovell IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-141022.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-141022.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-141022.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-141022.txt [02:43] TR Bot IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, October 14, 2022 [02:44] TR News Yesterday's #techbytes IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-141022.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-141022.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techbytes-141022.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techbytes-141022.txt [02:44] TR Bot IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, October 14, 2022 [02:48] TR News Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-10-14.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-10-14.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now) [02:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 22.08 k/sec., IPFS upstream 56.28 average k/sec., average swarm size 120.70 ● Oct 15 [03:05] AdmFubar oh this is just wrong https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/10/researchers-make-cyborg-cockroaches-that-carry-their-own-power-packs/ [03:05] TR Bot Researchers make cyborg cockroaches that carry their own power packs | Ars Technica [03:17] *reptilian_thrills has quit (connection closed) [03:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [03:24] DaemonFC https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/311666518_547216697405301_3257991382648606889_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=_w42PFAKhdcAX9_ekK9&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx&oh=00_AT9OsER-g3jwEKxUp1BzOlYsAafriivyo7q-pF4Fl2YaDg&oe=634E0F7C [03:24] DaemonFC MinceR, ^ [03:25] DaemonFC https://www.npr.org/2022/10/13/1128694481/with-two-black-men-running-for-senate-in-georgia-race-takes-center-stage [03:25] TR Bot Raphael Warnock and Hershel Walker discuss race in Georgia Senate contest : NPR [03:26] DaemonFC Ah, yes, the contender on the right. A dumb piece of shit football celebrity with 150 traumatic brain injuries, who sired kids with women all over Georgia that he wasn't married to, and ran out on all of them. Endorsed by Trump. [03:27] DaemonFC And the contender on the left, a longtime married man, pastor, and father. [03:27] DaemonFC How is the polling on this even close? [03:30] DaemonFC I could never vote for a man like Herschel Walker. I mean, for fuck's sake. The guy's favorite pastime is obviously making lots and lots of illegitimate kids from broken homes and having women chasing him for child support. [03:32] DaemonFC At least Trump managed to find a guy who went to college (on the football team, so.....they find you classes that are almost impossible for anyone to fail). [03:32] DaemonFC :) [03:35] *geert (~geert@4sg33k94s3er4.irc) has joined #techrights [03:36] geert supsupsupsup [03:38] IPFS Gemini requests since start of month: 81250 total Total number of pages in capsule: 43019 Active: active (running) since Thu 2022-08-04 09:15:14 BST; 2 months 10 days ago [03:39] IPFS IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated. TotalIn: 80 GB TotalOut: 22 GB [03:40] IPFS New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled. [03:40] AdmFubar and you think you have it bad... https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/oct/15/potty-prices-sydney-studio-apartment-with-toilet-in-kitchen-on-market-for-520-a-week [03:40] TR Bot Potty prices: Sydney studio apartment with toilet in kitchen on market for $520 a week | Housing | The Guardian [03:41] geert thats not regular inflation effects anymore [03:41] geert uh oh [03:44] DaemonFC If Illinois had voter ID, it wouldn't be this nonsense from the 18th century where they're at the county clerk going "That doesn't look like Ryan Farmer's signature!". [03:45] DaemonFC And it's a couple of 90 year old women without their readers on. [03:45] DaemonFC Because there's nothing better to do when you're on Social Security waiting to die. [03:46] DaemonFC In Indiana, there's no question of who can vote or not. [03:46] DaemonFC If you're a felon, you can't vote. [03:46] DaemonFC If you're anyone else, bring some form of state-issued photo ID on it with your address listed. [03:46] DaemonFC Unfortunately, then you run into other problems. [03:47] DaemonFC Like that lady who confused me with another Ryan Farmer living in the county and said "You already voted! I'm calling the police!" Again, 90 year old woman, nothing better to do, on a power trip. [03:47] DaemonFC My fucking God. Can you believe how much the limo liberals like mjg59_ would be shitting themselves if I was black and running into these people? [03:48] DaemonFC It's almost like it just happens to white men too, you know? [03:48] DaemonFC Nobody covers it on the news. [03:48] DaemonFC The cops pull white men over and kill them. [03:48] geert voting dont make much sense anyway when some people figure the so called 'masses' 'dumb deplorables' who would threaten state security by un- or mis-informed voting instead of more of correctly addressing underlying issues [03:48] DaemonFC The election workers threaten to call the police on a white man trying to vote. [03:48] geert doesnt* voting doesn't [03:49] DaemonFC You ask for an apartment with a misdemeanor on your record, they threaten you there too.....white man. [03:49] DaemonFC Won't someone please think of the white men? [03:49] geert so many people kind of tangled up with them 'colors' i guess [03:49] geert so much nonsense [03:49] geert its not the 'colors' [03:50] DaemonFC I've seen Darren Bailey's tax returns. Five years of them. [03:50] geert besides its not black and white either, those are not considered 'colors' and actually nobody really is black or white [03:50] geert its more like everybody is 'colored', some more dark, others less dark [03:50] DaemonFC Sometimes he doesn't have any money to tax because his farm lost money that year. [03:50] geert it kind of begins there already [03:50] DaemonFC He makes more money as a Illinois State Senator than he does farming. [03:50] geert if we dont get to adress it more properly, e.g. stopping the nonsense about black and white and just regarding everyone colored, i dont get to expect much improvement soon [03:51] DaemonFC It's true that he could sell the land for a few million bucks, and it's also true that on the whole he makes some money with his farm, but I mean, the guy is not a multi-billion dollar hotel heir. [03:51] DaemonFC Like what he have in there now. [03:51] DaemonFC Like, it's a guy that's out on his tractor in blue jeans, filling out his income tax forms like everyone else. [03:51] DaemonFC I don't like Pritzker. [03:52] DaemonFC I voted for him last time because Brucer Rauner was an incompetent fool who was essentially a Democrat in the worst ways and as crooked as any of them are. [03:52] DaemonFC *Bruce [03:52] DaemonFC He made money with a hedge fund. He signed a bill that created taxpayer-funded abortion for all state employees and women on Medicaid. [03:53] geert btw whats up with the kind of inflexible old hacker space decoration called MinceR maybe? [03:53] DaemonFC And he got into a pissing match with Mike Madigan, who offered him a "compromise package", and Rauner threatened a veto. So Madigan just kept the state government unfunded for two years. And in those two years, stuff still got done in Madigan's district, including a brand new High School. [03:55] DaemonFC It's ridiculous. Once every couple years you get a ballot and maybe there's even a few choices on it. [03:55] DaemonFC And they try to stop it from going in the box. [03:55] geert many so calledpromises are more to lure you in on purpose than planned to be kept as well [03:55] geert kind of complications in regard to voting process as well i guess [03:56] DaemonFC I suppose if voting made no difference at all, then what happened to me today wouldn't be possible. [03:56] DaemonFC After all, what difference does it make, so why would they care? [03:56] DaemonFC They're panicking. The Democrats are. [03:56] geert well of course it got effects, called 'difference', although not necessarily as appointed officially [03:57] DaemonFC They're sending out panicked emails to me saying that they need "3,000 more voters" in Waukegan than last time or they could lose the Supreme Court. [03:57] geert oof not just them, much 'republicans' arent really in their right minds either [03:57] DaemonFC Good, fuck em. [03:57] DaemonFC I already voted for the Republican for the Supreme Court. [03:57] DaemonFC I want the FOID Act gone. [03:57] geert i think it basically comes down to; not just voting process but underlying so called 'politics' basically got hijacked [03:57] DaemonFC Now they need to find 3,001 voters in Waukegan, I suppose. [03:57] geert see this so called politics it kind of get influence in public affairs and commercial interest got kind of heftier lobby than regular workers, even if bundled via unions [03:58] DaemonFC They obviously don't have this thing in the bag if they've lost me. [03:58] geert meaning the one lobby got more influence than the other, and supposed politics couldnt stay with 'common interest' so shifted to heftier lobby, but without provoking conflict by explaining it properly to 'voters' [03:59] DaemonFC I don't know about Bailey and lobbyists. [03:59] DaemonFC The business groups were trying to prop up Richard Irvin. [03:59] geert voting process effects is more of result to such complications, it should be expected as corrupted as so called politics moved from common interest to particular interest so to speak [03:59] DaemonFC Ken Griffin lost $50 million on Irvin and then said he was leaving Illinois. [03:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 16.35 k/sec., IPFS upstream 70.81 average k/sec., average swarm size 120.98 [03:59] geert oof im not really into those names in depth from the netherlands [03:59] DaemonFC Griffin was one of the few Republican megadonors in Illinois politics. [03:59] DaemonFC He was the one behind Rauner too. ● Oct 15 [04:00] geert we got quite some stuff going in netherlands ourselves so to speak, currently [04:00] DaemonFC The big money was all on Irvin. [04:00] geert not trying to be rude, maybe in a bit i get to look up a bit into those names, probably would stimulate better discussion here [04:00] DaemonFC And once he lost the primary election, big time, they haven't been so excited. [04:01] DaemonFC I don't like being bribed and Pritzker was trying to bribe me. [04:01] DaemonFC They sent $50 for me and $50 for my spouse, but $100, really? [04:01] DaemonFC In the middle of THIS? [04:01] DaemonFC And where did the state come up with that? [04:02] DaemonFC And why are couples with two kids who make $400,000 getting $200? [04:02] DaemonFC Does $200 make much difference on an income of $400,000? [04:02] DaemonFC I was talking to schestowitz[TR] about the cash bribes with your own money. [04:02] DaemonFC And they slip them to people who ARE....NOT....POOR. And.....do not need it! [04:03] DaemonFC If they cut that shit out and set a $75,000 household cap or something, they could double it and at least make some difference to people getting crushed under inflation right now! [04:03] DaemonFC I don't think there should be a stimulus check for any household making over $75,000 unless maybe they have kids, and then they should probably make the cap $95,000 or something. [04:04] DaemonFC I'm just not okay with stimulus checks going to people with six figure incomes. [04:04] geert one should strive for less corruption in any system, which would favor the systems original purpose, so to speak [04:04] DaemonFC It's a psychologically important thing, you know? [04:04] DaemonFC What do people with $400,000 a year do with a $50 check from the government? MMM? [04:04] geert but we get to deal with kind of peculiar situations, in many aspects of society, where quite some people try utilize the corruption with systems [04:04] DaemonFC :) [04:05] DaemonFC Good for one free oil change at Walmart. -Pritzker [04:05] geert this is basically described where fast most difficulties stem from, from a more of direct perspective [04:05] DaemonFC I wonder if Matt GULAG got his California stimulus from Governor French Laundry. [04:05] geert whether its law system, digital system, voting system, systems should basically not be corrupt as it stimulates 'dysfunction' [04:05] DaemonFC Or if it just went to illegal immigrants. [04:06] DaemonFC mjg59_, Chime in buddy. [04:06] geert and that is not why people tried systems [04:06] DaemonFC Don't hold it back. I hate French Laundry too, you know! [04:06] geert they tried systems to deal experience of difficulties/hardship better [04:06] geert and dysfunction doesnt favor that dealing [04:07] geert so regarding money, definition of money, so called monetary system, we get to see that quite some people favor predictability within market than the volatility of market consisting of more authentic difficulties and tries to match possibilities to those difficulties, sometimes referred to as 'problems - solutions dynamic' [04:08] geert that trying to favor predictability over quality, as an example, is basically coming down to utilzing corrupting the system instead of minimizing corrupting the system [04:08] DaemonFC California is so mismanaged that they chased out like 560,000 of their residents, net, over the last ten years. [04:08] geert without that, regarding money, you BET all lobying would be stimulated in very different functioning [04:08] DaemonFC And that's on top of the ones that keeled over of COVID and had to deal with the fires. [04:09] DaemonFC Governor French Laundry dining with no mask on with rich pals, sending prisoners out to deal with fire. [04:09] DaemonFC mjg59_, That's your governor! [04:09] geert so lobbying is result to that, to a quite significant extent, to which suppposed 'politics' is result to lobbying to which voting process is result to supposed politics [04:09] geert so malicious corrupted cause leading to expectable malicious corrupted results [04:09] DaemonFC I don't think many of us would mind if California finally fell into the ocean. [04:09] DaemonFC I'm glad, watching what's happening to San Francisco. [04:10] geert well that suggestion seems a bit harsh to me [04:10] DaemonFC They're experiencing like 500-600 layoffs a day there now. [04:10] DaemonFC Soon there won't be anything left of the place. [04:10] geert you dont need to be overly hostile because they refuse to do something else than make many mistakes there, so to speak [04:10] geert well its not going all too good, thats for sure [04:10] geert but hey some so called 'red states' got issues too bro no kidding ya [04:12] DaemonFC The "red states" grow the food and manufacture things and have power generation. [04:12] DaemonFC The blue states get freaks like mjg59_ whose work will be wiped out soon in a tech crash bankruptcy. [04:12] geert oh its might be different issues [04:13] geert but without addressing the corrupting the system against each other, i dont think many red or blue change much [04:13] geert look its both sides not muchpolitics left [04:13] geert lots of crap, hijacked crap, and those trying to utilize misuse of money behind it, well, those pretty much dont care much color anyway [04:14] geert thats more like elitism to what they consider stupid and replacable, or uber/untermensch kind except not so much with race as with hitler but more with whats considered 'economical interest representation' [04:15] DaemonFC Yeah, so they spend their time mocking people. The people who run the economy that they depend on. Who do actual work. [04:15] geert very much corrupted 'economical interest' though [04:15] DaemonFC And then they wonder where people like Trump come from. [04:16] geert 'market effects' has lead to things like 'top dog' positions moving FAR AWAY from 'top of the bill mentality within group' [04:16] geert meaning group as system got corrupted thus gain of dysfunction [04:16] geert this monetary flawed design doesnt stimulate top of the bill mentality closer to top dog position so to speak [04:17] geert its reverse, so without addressing these relatively easy matter more properly, there is not much improvement to be expected [04:17] geert it dont matter much if its called red, blue, democratic or republican, the shit is paid pretty much by what we call money [04:17] geert so we got to deal them dynamics first if we collectively get to aim for more improvement so to speak [04:17] geert theres not much 'but' there. [04:18] geert its gotten this much of misery, that much so called 'status quo' is considered professionalism within system a threat and tries to attack it [04:19] geert and then some people under disguise of great reset pretty much rather 'de-populate' in order to keep the corrupted monetary crapthan to address it properly [04:19] geert i mean the corrupted monetary crap that gets to cause almost all the other crap [04:19] geert so to speak [04:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [04:20] geert making this great reset caller, on the outside, in reality more of a build up of a 'vierten reich' albeit the organizers strive for much more succesful one than hitlers dritten reich tries [04:20] geert yea we got some serious issues these days, it go bit beyond cali and what not blue or red states, pretty much throughout the globe [04:21] geert did you get to know that without supposed 'globalist' warmongerers .ru still wouldn't have gotten to annex crimea TO THIS FRICKEN DAY? [04:21] geert as an example [04:21] geert boy we got quite the issues currently and more than quite some decades ago, lots of supposed knowledged people that meanwhile just more of conformistically repeat nonsense from goons than actually fricken understand much [04:21] geert yea, we got some serious issues [04:24] geert oh wow i didnt got banned yet [04:25] geert yeayea we getting some hackers a bit moarinto hacking lately i gues [04:25] geert yeayea theydont need to like me [04:25] geert but fuck they start to get some it seem [04:25] geert haha [04:26] geert oh welli might had better post this in #2600 but i guess it dont matter much these days [04:26] geert in this interconnectedworld lol [04:27] geert j/k anyways.. but i wasnt kidding about the monetary system, red/blue, politics, viertenreich/great reset, crimea etc. [04:27] geert just a little bit sassy last few lines [04:27] geert lets see if we get MinceR going a bit as an example [04:27] geert anyways [04:37] *reptilian_thrills (~reptilian_thrills@6v8cjbvydcdre.irc) has joined #techrights [04:53] geert gtg maybe ttyl :) [04:53] *geert has quit (Quit: leaving) [04:58] *reptilian_thrills has quit (connection closed) [04:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 24.86 k/sec., IPFS upstream 58.80 average k/sec., average swarm size 142.38 ● Oct 15 [05:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [05:23] *reptilian_thrills (~reptilian_thrills@5qfh8ygvjx3sy.irc) has joined #techrights [05:52] DaemonFC We have the Democrats in Illinois causing gridlock again by promoting heavy traffic, only with toll roads and surge pricing instead of freeways. [05:52] DaemonFC We wouldn't need 8 lanes in every direction and the whole city breathing smog if they'd do work from home from now on. [05:53] DaemonFC When we had the COVID lockdowns and people were working from home, there was almost no rush hour at all. They were pulling some people over for going 150 miles an hour through Chicago on the freeway just because they could. [05:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.03 k/sec., IPFS upstream 104.45 average k/sec., average swarm size 116.36 ● Oct 15 [06:18] *oarion7 (~anonymous@user/oarion7) has joined #techrights [06:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [06:27] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [06:42] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [06:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 49.35 k/sec., IPFS upstream 96.65 average k/sec., average swarm size 101.80 ● Oct 15 [07:02] TR News #Techrights Bulletin for Friday, October 14, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [07:02] TR Bot Bulletin Archives [07:02] TR News #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [07:02] TR Bot Techrights Full IPFS Index [07:10] TR News "LaTeX the age-old typesetting system makes me angry. Not because it's bad. To clarify, not because there's something better." https://jmtd.net/log/latex_writing/ | [07:10] TR Bot jmtd log Focus writing with (despite) LaTeX [07:10] TR News "Its time to get me up to speed with modern CSS." https://www.matuzo.at/blog/2022/100daysof-day15/ | Source: Manuel Matuzovic [07:10] TR Bot Day 15: the :modal pseudo-class - Manuel Matuzovi [07:11] TR News "What I'm documenting here is an extension of the full-bleed CSS Grid layout." https://ryanmulligan.dev/blog/layout-breakouts/ | [07:11] TR Bot Layout Breakouts with CSS Grid | Ryan Mulligan [07:12] TR News "Using the shiniest new technologies is rarely the cause for success, it's usually the result." https://www.karlsutt.com/articles/you-should-not-be-using-aws/ | [07:12] TR Bot You should not be using AWS. Probably. [07:12] TR News "We have a reasonable number of Linux servers, almost all of them running various versions of Ubuntu." https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/SwapPartitionsNoMore | Source: uni Toronto [07:12] TR Bot Chris's Wiki :: blog/linux/SwapPartitionsNoMore [07:12] TR News "Getting started with a new device management platform is a drag. You have to get familiar with the terminology and the environment." https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/10/14/use-your-phone-as-an-iot-device-in-the-arduino-cloud/ | Source: Arduino [07:12] TR Bot Use your phone as an IoT device in the Arduino Cloud | Arduino Blog [07:13] TR News "For reasons Ill discuss later, I only solved the 5-by-5 game, and the situation may be different for the 6-by-6 variant." https://nullprogram.com/blog/2022/10/12/ | [07:13] TR Bot I solved the Dandelions paper-and-pencil game [07:14] TR News "Capture cards aren't cheap, especially if you want to record or stream footage at a high resolution and framerate." https://www.pcgamer.com/this-diyer-built-themselves-an-awesome-open-source-hdmi-capture-card-for-only-dollar10/ | Source: PC Gamer [07:14] TR Bot This DIYer built themselves an awesome open-source HDMI capture card for only $10 | PC Gamer [07:14] TR News "And that is it. The A3010 appears to be in full working order. Now I just need to find some time to play on it!" https://linuxjedi.co.uk/2022/10/14/acorn-archimedes-a3010-restoration-part-4/ | Source: Andrew Hutchings [07:14] TR Bot Acorn Archimedes A3010: Restoration Part4 LinuxJedi's /dev/null [07:15] TR News "You may have noticed that a Raspberry Pi is sold essentially naked." https://magpi.raspberrypi.com/articles/10-amazing-raspberry-pi-cases | Source: Raspberry Pi [07:15] TR Bot 10 amazing Raspberry Pi cases The MagPi magazine [07:15] TR News "The guide is aimed at the general public and uses illustrations and examples to help make the topics understandable for all." https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/open-source-observatory-osor/news/galician-region-publishes-good-practices-releasing-open-source | Source: Joinup [07:15] TR Bot timed out after 10519 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/open-source-observatory-osor/news/galician-region-publishes-good-practices-releasing-open-source ) [07:15] TR News "Greg Linares, a security researcher, recently recounted an incident that he said occurred over the summer at a US East Coast financial firm focused on private investment." https://www.theregister.com/2022/10/12/drone-roof-attack/ | Source: The Register UK [07:15] TR Bot Wi-Fi spy drones used to snoop on financial firm The Register [07:16] TR News "A year after banning most teenage girls from attending school, the Taliban are imposing sweeping restrictions on which courses women can enrol in at public universities." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-63219895 | Source: BBC [07:16] TR Bot Afghanistan: Taliban ban women from many university subjects - BBC News [07:16] TR News The Intimate and Interconnected History of the Internet https://www.thenation.com/article/culture/the-history-of-the-internet/ | Source: The Nation [07:16] TR Bot The Intimate and Interconnected History of the Internet | The Nation [07:18] DaemonFC WordPress Editor got extremely slow in Firefox. [07:18] DaemonFC I wonder what it does in Vivaldi. [07:19] schestowitz[TR] wordpress is going the wrong way [07:19] schestowitz[TR] seems even itsfoss is moving to ghost [07:19] schestowitz[TR] on news.itsfoss.com [07:20] schestowitz[TR] many reach the conclusion static page generation is worth it [07:20] schestowitz[TR] techrights might do the same late this year or next year [07:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [07:20] schestowitz[TR] editor should not be in the browser [07:20] schestowitz[TR] there are decent editors that are editors [07:21] schestowitz[TR] not some JS in a canvas [07:21] TR News "Many presume that troll refers to the ugly monsters who eat people alive" https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Don't_feed_the_Troll | [07:21] TR Bot Don't feed the Troll - RationalWiki [07:21] TR News "A few observations on how technology companies can strategically use open-source from my time working on open-source at Google" https://matt-rickard.com/short-taxonomy-of-open-source-strategies | Source: Matt Rickard [07:21] TR Bot Short Taxonomy of Open-Source Strategies [07:21] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [07:22] TR News "On 6 October 2022, Advocate General (AG) Snchez-Bordona issued his Opinion on CJEU case C-300/21 (UI v. sterreichische Post AG), the first of several preliminary ruling requests on the topic of damages for GDPR violations pending with the CJEU." https://noyb.eu/en/analysis-no-non-material-damages-gdpr | Source: NYOB [07:22] TR Bot Legal Analysis: No non-material damages for GDPR violations? [07:22] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [07:23] TR News "There are many ways to separate a project into two projects" https://blog.josefsson.org/2022/10/14/on-language-bindings-relaunching-guile-gnutls/ | Source: Simon Josefsson [07:23] TR Bot On language bindings & Relaunching Guile-GnuTLS Simon Josefsson's blog [07:23] TR News "Konnech has provided its PollChief software to some cities and counties across the country, including Los Angeles County." https://text.npr.org/1129172979 | Source: NPR [07:23] TR Bot Election software CEO is charged with allegedly giving Chinese contractors data access [07:25] TR News "This led him to surmise that he was later cut off from LinkedIn due to a complaint from Cloudflare" https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/linkedin-kicks-out-infosec-expert,-then-restores-his-profile.html | Source: IT Wire [07:25] TR Bot - LinkedIn kicks out Infosec expert, then restores his profile [07:26] TR News "Misinformation Amplification Factor" https://thehill.com/policy/technology/3688266-misinformation-most-amplified-on-tiktok-twitter-report/ | Source: The Hill [07:26] TR Bot Misinformation most amplified on TikTok, Twitter: report | The Hill [07:27] TR News "Describing the content as AI-generated is, I think, a real stretch." https://9to5mac.com/2022/10/11/steve-jobs-ai/ | Source: 9to5Mac [07:27] TR Bot Steve Jobs AI features in spooky 'interview' with Joe Rogan AI [07:27] TR News "Theres absolutely no attempt to pass this off as anything other than the latest exercise in marrying AI with voice synthesis." https://www.afr.com/technology/when-fake-steve-jobs-and-fake-joe-rogan-made-a-podcast-20221012-p5bpas | Source: AFR [07:27] TR Bot AI-enabled voice synthesis help fake Joe Rogan and fake Steve Jobs make a podcast [07:28] TR News "The text of PayPal's email sent to the League of Social Democrats in September has been seen by VOA." https://www.voanews.com/a/paypal-terminates-hong-kong-account-of-pro-democracy-group/6789564.html | Source: VOA News [07:28] TR Bot PayPal Terminates Hong Kong Account of Pro-Democracy Group [07:28] TR News "Media freedom activists in Uganda have decried President Yoweri Museveni's signing of the Computer Misuse Act into law" https://www.voanews.com/a/uganda-media-activists-say-computer-law-meant-to-silence-government-critics-/6790373.html | Source: VOA News [07:28] TR Bot Uganda Media Activists Say Computer Law Meant to Silence Government Critics [07:29] TR News "Chinese social media censors have blocked posts, keywords, and hashtags related to the extremely rare public protest" https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/china-censors-anti-xi-jinping-protest-ahead-of-communist-party-meet-3433264 | Source: NDTV [07:29] TR Bot China Censors Anti-Xi Jinping Protest Ahead Of Communist Party Meet [07:29] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [07:29] TR News "Parliament adopted the law late on Thursday after it was proposed by President Tayyip Erdogans ruling AK Party (AKP)" https://www.arabnews.com/node/2181276/middle-east | Source: Arab News [07:30] TR Bot Turkish opposition calls new media law censorship, will appeal to top court | Arab News [07:31] *reptilian_thrills has quit (connection closed) [07:32] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [07:32] TR News "After Germany closed its doors to him, Hassan took his case to the European Court of Human Rights; it, too, recently denied his appeal." https://www.frontpagemag.com/muslim-officials-deny-persecuted-christians-refuge-in-europe/ | Source: Frontpage Magazine [07:32] TR Bot Muslim Officials Deny Persecuted Christians Refuge in Europe | Frontpage Mag [07:33] *horseface__ has quit (connection closed) [07:34] TR News "Assemble Media, a literary incubator which concurrently develops its book projects for film and TV adaptation" https://variety.com/2022/film/news/assemble-media-five-book-deals-1235404205/ | Source: Variety [07:34] TR Bot Media Closes Deals for Five Titles - Variety [07:34] TR News "Well this is perhaps exciting, seems Valve are cooking up something new with a trademark application for NEON PRIME." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/10/valve-filed-a-computer-game-software-trademark-for-neon-prime/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [07:34] TR Bot filed a 'computer game software' trademark for 'NEON PRIME' | GamingOnLinux [07:34] TR News "Valve released a really small update to Proton Experimental on October 13th, so here's what's new and how to use it." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/10/proton-experimental-updated-helping-halo-infinite-and-spider-man-remastered/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [07:34] TR Bot Experimental updated helping Halo Infinite and Spider-Man Remastered | GamingOnLinux [07:38] TR News "Are you ready for another Sony game on Steam? The UNCHARTED: Legacy of Thieves Collection arrives on October 19th, and it's been Steam Deck Verified already." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/10/uncharted-legacy-of-thieves-collection-gets-steam-deck-verified-ahead-of-release/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [07:38] TR Bot Legacy of Thieves Collection gets Steam Deck Verified ahead of release | GamingOnLinux [07:38] TR News "Valve has released another small Steam Deck Client Beta update to fix some lingering issues, plus they've announced a Docking Station update is on the way" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/10/steam-deck-client-beta-updated-plus-official-docking-station-update-coming/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [07:38] TR Bot Deck Client Beta updated, plus official Docking Station update coming | GamingOnLinux [07:38] TR News "After playing with it for a few weeks, here's what I think along with how to set up the M.2 Docking Station for Steam Deck from JSAUX." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/10/the-jsaux-m2-docking-station-for-steam-deck-is-a-great-choice/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [07:38] TR Bot JSAUX M.2 Docking Station for Steam Deck is a great choice | GamingOnLinux [07:39] TR News iophk: EC pushing m$ gimmicks https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/open-data/event/webinar-trends-geospatial-data [07:40] TR Bot Webinar on 'Trends in geospatial data' | Joinup [07:40] TR News Gulag taking over schools? Terrible. https://record.umich.edu/articles/u-m-partners-with-google-to-offer-job-ready-tech-skills-program/ [07:40] TR Bot U-M partners with Google to offer job-ready tech skills program | The University Record [07:40] TR News Why the Internet Needs the InterPlanetary File System - SoylentNews https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/10/13/0159206 Source: Soylent News | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/10/13/0159206 [07:40] TR Bot Why the Internet Needs the InterPlanetary File System - SoylentNews [07:44] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [07:46] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [07:47] *rowbee has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [07:48] TR News It is proprietary, it is vendor lock-in, and it lets Microsoft spy. It ought not be promoted. https://linuxnightly.com/install-visual-studio-code-on-manjaro/ [07:48] TR Bot How to Install Visual Studio Code on Manjaro - Linux Nightly [07:48] TR News How to Get Started with Shell Scripting in Linux https://www.linuxtechi.com/get-started-shell-scripting-linux/ [07:48] TR Bot How to Get Started with Shell Scripting in Linux [07:49] TR News "I started my automation journey when I adopted Gentoo Linux as my primary operating system in 2002. Twenty years later, automation is not yet a done deal." https://opensource.com/article/22/10/kubernetes-solve-automation-challenges | Source: OpenSource.com [07:49] TR Bot Kubernetes help solve automation challenges? | Opensource.com [07:49] TR News `code here` (NEW): Games: Steam, Proton, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Games_Steam_Proton_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Games_Steam_Proton_and_More.gmi [07:49] TR Bot Tux Machines Games: Steam, Proton, and More [07:49] TR News (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/today_s_howtos.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/today_s_howtos.gmi [07:49] TR Bot Tux Machines today's howtos [07:54] TR News "It is often important to know how many packages are installed on your computer. You may not know it, but there are many packages installed on your computer" https://vitux.com/how-to-list-installed-packages-on-ubuntu/ | Source: Vitux [07:54] TR Bot to List Installed Packages on Ubuntu 22.04 - VITUX [07:55] TR News "The rolling release was coasting along with some smaller snapshots earlier in the week and the latest snapshot updated an enormous amount of packages" https://news.opensuse.org/2022/10/14/plasma-frameworks-kernel-llvm-up-in-tw/ | Source: OpenSUSE [07:55] TR Bot Plasma, Frameworks, Kernel, LLVM update in Tumbleweed - openSUSE News [07:56] TR News "In this guide, we are going to learn what is TCP Wrappers" https://ostechnix.com/restrict-access-linux-servers-using-tcp-wrappers/ | Source: OSTechNix [07:56] TR Bot Access To Linux Servers With TCP Wrappers - OSTechNix [07:56] *reptilian_thrills (~reptilian_thrills@e56aqnyrpnfiu.irc) has joined #techrights [07:56] TR News "The Topton FU02 is a fanless Mini PC featuring the Ryzen 3, 5, 7 mobile processors." https://linuxgizmos.com/topton-mini-pc-features-ryzen-4000u-series-processors/ | Source: Linux Gizmos [07:56] TR Bot ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/topton-mini-pc-features-ryzen-4000u-series-processors/ ) [07:57] reptilian_thrills c# in the free software directory (since 2009) https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/WikiAccess_Library [07:57] TR Bot WikiAccess Library - Free Software Directory [07:58] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights [07:58] schestowitz[TR] worse yet: [07:58] schestowitz[TR] c#, windows only, github only [07:59] schestowitz[TR] with ooxml aupport only [07:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 68.48 k/sec., IPFS upstream 99.76 average k/sec., average swarm size 64.51 [07:59] reptilian_thrills i just removed it from my fork ● Oct 15 [08:00] schestowitz[TR] wiki fork of fsd? [08:00] reptilian_thrills fork of the fsd [08:00] reptilian_thrills not wiki, cc licensed [08:00] reptilian_thrills written in gemtext [08:01] schestowitz[TR] if you kee a diff somewhere, [08:01] schestowitz[TR] then you have a list of tainted parts in FSD [08:01] reptilian_thrills yeah, so [08:01] reptilian_thrills there are roughly 35,000 entries [08:01] reptilian_thrills including repeats [08:01] reptilian_thrills about 80% are either on github or belong to the coup [08:01] reptilian_thrills my removing those, you see whats still faif [08:02] reptilian_thrills of course ill include information about things they depend on [08:02] reptilian_thrills the license is a free copyleft license, unlike the fdl-- so im not using the data in the fsd except the urls [08:03] reptilian_thrills from the urls, i got thousands of webpages. [08:03] reptilian_thrills from the thousands of webpages i got thousands of webpage titles [08:03] reptilian_thrills from the thousands of titles i separated things by letter. harder to do that with urls. [08:04] reptilian_thrills of course its an imperfect system, it becomes increasingly easy to maintain. [08:04] reptilian_thrills about 7,000 entries divided by 26 letters (plus 0-9) [08:04] TR News "On October 5, authorities arrested Amiremad (Jadi) Mirmirania blogger and one of Irans leading technologists and digital rights defenders." https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/10/stop-persecution-iranian-authorities-must-immediately-release-technologists-and-0 | Source: EFF [08:04] TR Bot Stop the Persecution: Iranian Authorities Must Immediately Release Technologists and Digital Rights Defenders | Electronic Frontier Foundation [08:04] reptilian_thrills i dont bother including java [08:05] schestowitz[TR] now you sound like herr doktor sixel [08:05] schestowitz[TR] why not java? [08:05] schestowitz[TR] because.. float? [08:05] schestowitz[TR] *bloat [08:06] TR News "Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) is one prominent exception." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/10/14/most-dems-silent-warren-slams-fed-pushing-us-toward-painful-recession | Source: Common Dreams [08:06] TR Bot With Most Dems Silent, Warren Slams Fed for Pushing US Toward Painful Recession [08:09] *liberty_box (~liberty@ngvjyiryrrbba.irc) has joined #techrights [08:09] *rianne_ (~rianne@freenode-vjf.peq.k31cok.IP) has joined #techrights [08:09] *techright-sec is now known as techrights-sec [08:10] TR News "At the 30-year mark, CounterPunch has veered insignificantly from its founding blueprints." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/14/a-year-of-milestones-for-counterpunch/ | Source: Counter Punch [08:10] TR Bot Year of Milestones for CounterPunch - CounterPunch.org [08:13] reptilian_thrills i dont think it needs java [08:13] reptilian_thrills someone can make a directory of java code that doesnt suck [08:14] schestowitz[TR] that's not a very formal explanation [08:14] reptilian_thrills no its not [08:14] schestowitz[TR] java "sucks" [08:14] reptilian_thrills i havent used a java program in like a decade [08:14] schestowitz[TR] it's content-free name-calling [08:14] schestowitz[TR] lots of programs that run the world use java [08:14] schestowitz[TR] and I wrote some java also [08:14] reptilian_thrills name one [08:14] schestowitz[TR] lots of middleware and "enterprise" stuff [08:14] reptilian_thrills and I wrote some java also <- is it in the fsd? [08:14] schestowitz[TR] openfire [08:14] schestowitz[TR] rssowl [08:15] reptilian_thrills ah, enterprise stuff. [08:15] reptilian_thrills openfire <- okay [08:15] schestowitz[TR] JBoss Enterprise Application Platform [08:15] schestowitz[TR] runs a TON of things [08:15] reptilian_thrills github.com/igniterealtime/Openfire <- openfire [08:16] schestowitz[TR] https://www.igniterealtime.org/projects/openfire/ [08:16] TR Bot Ignite Realtime: Openfire Server [08:16] schestowitz[TR] Downloads 32,169,480 [08:16] schestowitz[TR] https://www.igniterealtime.org/downloads/ [08:16] TR Bot Ignite Realtime: Downloads [08:17] reptilian_thrills RSSOwl does not work with Java 9, but it may still work with Java 8. [08:17] schestowitz[TR] they offer the jar files from their site [08:17] schestowitz[TR] e.g. https://www.igniterealtime.org/downloadServlet?filename=whack/whack_2_0_1.jar [08:17] reptilian_thrills Downloads 32,169,480 <- youre missing the point, the fork doesnt list things that are developed on github. [08:17] reptilian_thrills rssowl is on github and sf, im comparing dates now. [08:18] schestowitz[TR] https://discourse.igniterealtime.org/ [08:18] TR Bot Ignite Realtime Community Forums [08:18] schestowitz[TR] theya re not so shithub-dependent [08:19] reptilian_thrills rssowl is developed on github [08:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [08:20] reptilian_thrills the only thing that gets by are mirrors (no prs) [08:20] reptilian_thrills true mirrors [08:20] schestowitz[TR] that typically predates microsoft [08:20] schestowitz[TR] oh, github seems to have added lots of JS [08:20] *psydroid2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:20] schestowitz[TR] a lot off stuff does not work [08:20] schestowitz[TR] even with JS on [08:20] schestowitz[TR] using the 'wrong' browser [08:20] schestowitz[TR] such as falkon [08:20] reptilian_thrills yeah ive been lenient on projects that last updated before 2018. [08:21] schestowitz[TR] it's becoming another gitlab [08:21] schestowitz[TR] accessibility no-go [08:21] reptilian_thrills RSSOwl does not work with Java 9, but it may still work with Java 8. [08:21] reptilian_thrills so it says-- idk [08:22] reptilian_thrills and I wrote some java also <- is it in the fsd? [08:22] schestowitz[TR] no [08:22] reptilian_thrills ^ if its not in the fsd then its not removed from the fork [08:22] reptilian_thrills so its moot [08:23] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights [08:23] schestowitz[TR] my siblings do a lot of java and c++ [08:23] schestowitz[TR] java is very widely used [08:23] reptilian_thrills Red Hat JBoss Enterprise Application Platform <- [08:23] schestowitz[TR] but if you ran some apache sites, you won't reealise that [08:23] schestowitz[TR] or some gnu/linux desktop [08:23] schestowitz[TR] not much java there [08:23] reptilian_thrills so jboss is red hat? [08:24] schestowitz[TR] yes, duh [08:24] schestowitz[TR] they bought jboss ages ago [08:24] reptilian_thrills why would i consider ibm free? [08:24] schestowitz[TR] oracle does a lot of java [08:24] reptilian_thrills ibm tanked the fsf. [08:24] schestowitz[TR] even prior to buying sun [08:24] reptilian_thrills they stabbed it to death like julius caesar [08:24] schestowitz[TR] ibm is everywhere [08:24] reptilian_thrills i dont care [08:24] schestowitz[TR] esp. former [sic] staff [08:24] schestowitz[TR] it's the grandpa os us computing [08:24] schestowitz[TR] *of [08:24] reptilian_thrills they can all go to hell [08:25] schestowitz[TR] ibm is massive [08:25] schestowitz[TR] the former element [08:25] schestowitz[TR] they were like 3 times bigger than microsoft [08:25] reptilian_thrills figures, but [08:25] schestowitz[TR] a decade ago their market cap was also bigger than microsoft's [08:25] reptilian_thrills its basically microsoft already owns github anyway [08:25] schestowitz[TR] ibm triggers a lot of anger [08:25] reptilian_thrills since microsoft is merely one of ibms avatars [08:25] schestowitz[TR] when it threw away 2 decades of good will [08:26] schestowitz[TR] in just 2 years [08:26] schestowitz[TR] *goodwill [08:26] schestowitz[TR] it's not the FSF [08:26] schestowitz[TR] or GNU [08:26] schestowitz[TR] it's a lot of other stuff [08:26] schestowitz[TR] centos is one of several [08:26] reptilian_thrills 2 decades of good will <- in just 2 years <- heres another theory [08:26] reptilian_thrills they spent 2 decades moving the chess pieces [08:26] schestowitz[TR] it's true though [08:26] reptilian_thrills then made their move [08:26] schestowitz[TR] they used to be on our side with opendocument [08:26] schestowitz[TR] and they were quick to adopt linus [08:26] schestowitz[TR] and hire many kernel devs [08:26] schestowitz[TR] and give some good things to linus [08:27] reptilian_thrills ibm read the halloween docs [08:27] schestowitz[TR] in the late 90s onwards [08:27] reptilian_thrills they must have implemented their own version of them [08:27] schestowitz[TR] icbm used the community to get ahead faster [08:27] schestowitz[TR] and it worked [08:27] reptilian_thrills they used to be on our side <- maybe they were only infiltrating [08:27] schestowitz[TR] but now they outsource to shithub, work with gafam, and slander us [08:27] reptilian_thrills used the community <- bingo [08:27] schestowitz[TR] like community is some bunch of pedos [08:27] reptilian_thrills but now they outsource to shithub, work with gafam <- giafam [08:27] schestowitz[TR] move over, rms, we'll take it from here [08:28] reptilian_thrills we'll take it from here <- s/it/gcc/ [08:28] schestowitz[TR] giafam could aldo be i for intel [08:28] schestowitz[TR] not just gcc [08:28] reptilian_thrills gdb too [08:28] schestowitz[TR] ICBM and Microsoft are attacking GNU via 'Linux' Foundation https://www.phoronix.com/news/GNU-Toolchain-Leaders-LF-IT [08:28] TR Bot Toolchain Leaders Support Moving Their Infrastructure Under The Linux Foundation - Phoronix [08:28] reptilian_thrills systemd-gnud [08:28] schestowitz[TR] Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC) is Facilitating a Hostile Takeover by Corporations (Privatising Free Software) http://techrights.org/2022/09/29/video-on-sourceware/ [08:28] TR Bot Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC) is Facilitating a Hostile Takeover by Corporations (Privatising Free Software) | Techrights [08:28] schestowitz[TR] Linux Foundation is not about Linux but about proprietary software companies swallowing everything, with the brand "Linux" used as a decoy http://techrights.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation [08:28] TR Bot Linux Foundation - Techrights [08:28] schestowitz[TR] "Does this have any technical or logistic meaning for users or developers? Or is it just a principle thing?" https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1352237-gnu-toolchain-leaders-support-moving-their-infrastructure-under-the-linux-foundation [08:28] reptilian_thrills pronounced guh-nude [08:28] TR Bot Toolchain Leaders Support Moving Their Infrastructure Under The Linux Foundation - Phoronix Forums [08:28] schestowitz[TR] FSF says almost nothing this year. Paralysed. https://www.fsf.org/blogs/recent-blog-posts [08:28] TR Bot FSF blogs Free Software Foundation Working together for free software [08:28] reptilian_thrills of guh-nudie [08:28] schestowitz[TR] Not even 12 months passed since ICBM expressed intent to buy Red Hat and as Bill Gates/Jeffrey Epstein scandal surfaced the attack on RMS and FSF began, led by many Red Hat staff http://techrights.org/2019/12/21/police-report-bill-gates/ [08:28] TR Bot Mansion of Pedophilia Part II: Dr. Stallman Defamed in the Media One Day After Request Made for King County Sheriffs Office to Divulge Information About Pedophilia in Home of Bill Gates | Techrights [08:29] schestowitz[TR] "7 work for Red Hat, owned by the FSFs largest publicly known sponsor" http://techrights.org/2020/06/05/guix-petition/ [08:29] reptilian_thrills or [08:29] TR Bot Guix Petition Demographic Data, by Figosdev | Techrights [08:29] schestowitz[TR] ICBM is a big pile of lies http://techrights.org/2020/06/06/hypocritical-ibm-red-hat/ [08:29] TR Bot IBM (Red Hat) Lectured FSF That It Needed More Diversity, But Was It Looking at the Mirror? IBM and Red Hat Are Even Less Diverse. | Techrights [08:29] schestowitz[TR] ICBM is also racist in 2021 http://techrights.org/2021/08/20/we-build-fedora-and-then-ibm-blacklists-us/ [08:29] TR Bot Imperialistic Blacklist Machines: Racist IBM and Red Hat Just Like Donald Trump Have Turned Fedora Into an Utterly Racist Project That Blacklists, Shuns and Permanently Bans People Based on Their Nationality Alone | Techrights [08:29] reptilian_thrills gcc is the most important thing [08:29] reptilian_thrills what are you going to compile gnu with [08:29] reptilian_thrills clang? [08:29] reptilian_thrills ibm wants gcc [08:30] reptilian_thrills and the gnu.fools are in on that [08:30] reptilian_thrills ibm.fools [08:30] reptilian_thrills giant nazi undermining [08:31] reptilian_thrills the gnu.fools had a whole list of alternative gnu acronyms [08:31] reptilian_thrills oliva had a list of parodies [08:31] reptilian_thrills of their list [08:31] reptilian_thrills gnus now underminer [08:31] reptilian_thrills undermined [08:32] reptilian_thrills name an important java program that isnt github based [08:32] schestowitz[TR] sorry, was distracted in another channel [08:33] schestowitz[TR] jboss [08:33] reptilian_thrills jboss is on github [08:33] schestowitz[TR] primary repo? [08:33] reptilian_thrills idk where the "official" repo is [08:33] schestowitz[TR] doubt it [08:33] reptilian_thrills im checking [08:33] schestowitz[TR] jboss predates github [08:33] TR News (NEW): This week in KDE: QA pays off http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/This_week_in_KDE_QA_pays_off.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/This_week_in_KDE_QA_pays_off.gmi [08:33] TR Bot Tux Machines This week in KDE: QA pays off [08:33] reptilian_thrills doesnt mention mirrors https://github.com/jboss/ [08:33] TR Bot GitHub [08:33] TR News (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Android_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Android_Leftovers.gmi [08:34] reptilian_thrills jboss predates github <- so does python and php, which moved there [08:34] TR Bot Tux Machines Android Leftovers [08:34] reptilian_thrills so do java and perl, which moved there [08:34] reptilian_thrills all of which are more important than jboss imo [08:34] reptilian_thrills the world would be okay without ibm [08:34] reptilian_thrills if anything it would be better off [08:35] *rowbee (~augh@freenode-j20rl4.4u0f.d8e9.59jtia.IP) has joined #techrights [08:35] schestowitz[TR] https://www.php.net/downloads [08:35] TR Bot PHP: Downloads [08:35] schestowitz[TR] https://www.php.net/releases/ [08:35] TR Bot PHP: Releases [08:35] reptilian_thrills downloads are not where things are developed [08:36] schestowitz[TR] https://www.php.net/manual/en/ [08:36] TR Bot PHP: PHP Manual - Manual [08:36] reptilian_thrills the problem is that microsoft has a monopoly on development [08:36] reptilian_thrills https://www.php.net/manual/en/ <- /me tries to run the manual, sets it to +x [08:37] DaemonFC https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%253A//www.cnn.com/2022/10/14/health/flu-season-concern/index.html [08:37] TR Bot Gemini Portal [08:37] reptilian_thrills https://www.php.net/ Please carefully test this version and report any issues found in the bug reporting system. <- points to https://github.com/php/php-src/issues [08:37] TR Bot PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor [08:37] TR Bot php/php-src GitHub [08:37] schestowitz[TR] https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=81727 [08:37] TR Bot PHP :: Sec Bug #81727 :: $_COOKIE names string replacement (. -> _): cookie integrity vulnerabilities [08:37] DaemonFC LOL....1.32 MB on CNN just for the HTML. [08:37] schestowitz[TR] http://bugs.php.net/81727 [08:37] schestowitz[TR] anyway, biab [08:38] reptilian_thrills https://github.com/php/php-src/pulls <- 239 Open 8,546 Closed [08:38] TR Bot requests php/php-src GitHub [08:38] reptilian_thrills anyway, biab <- in other words youve got nothing [08:38] reptilian_thrills i mean for all i know you have a conference call, but its invariably your response when someone has an endless supply of answers and you dont [08:39] reptilian_thrills i didnt come here to win, but to disseminate anyway [08:39] reptilian_thrills i dont give a shit about winning [08:39] reptilian_thrills the house wins, because it makes the rules [08:39] reptilian_thrills but the rules are silly [08:39] schestowitz[TR] don't want to get intoa afight with you [08:39] schestowitz[TR] but many projects have internal fights [08:40] schestowitz[TR] iunc. kernel [08:40] reptilian_thrills microsoft lf kernel [08:40] schestowitz[TR] 2 weeks ago linus fought over mailing lists vs bugzilla [08:40] schestowitz[TR] the same is true in pythhon and apache [08:40] schestowitz[TR] the compromise is usually "both supported" [08:40] reptilian_thrills wheres the fight over github? [08:40] schestowitz[TR] so they have internal and external/ outsourced tracking [08:40] reptilian_thrills the compromise is usually "both supported" <- which pretty much inevitably means it moves to github [08:40] schestowitz[TR] so people who don't use microsoft can still contribute [08:40] schestowitz[TR] bbl [08:40] reptilian_thrills yeah they can be second-class citizens [08:41] reptilian_thrills bbl <- have fun [08:41] reptilian_thrills they can be second-class citizens <- they wont have any idea whats happening to the project, but theyll be allowed to send patches [08:41] TR News [08:41] reptilian_thrills "both supported" <- divide and conquer [08:41] TR News Microsoft systemd, not "Ubuntu" https://thestack.technology/azure-kubernetes-outage-ubuntu-dns/ [08:41] TR Bot Bad Ubuntu update causes global Azure Kubernetes outage [08:42] reptilian_thrills no one ever got fired for moving to microsoft github [08:42] reptilian_thrills and i didnt migrate to free software just so ibm and microsoft could have a monopoly on it [08:45] TR News Nazification https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/14/the-nazification-of-american-society-and-the-scourge-of-violence/ | Source: Counter Punch [08:45] TR Bot Nazification of American Society and the Scourge of Violence - CounterPunch.org [08:45] reptilian_thrills but gcc is a keystone [08:45] reptilian_thrills ibm goes after that they know the rest falls [08:45] TR News Criminalizing Journalism https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/14/criminalizing-journalism/ | Source: Counter Punch [08:45] TR Bot Journalism - CounterPunch.org [08:45] reptilian_thrills what are you going to compile gnu with? ibm gcc [08:46] TR News Asa Winstanley https://thedissenter.org/unauthorized-disclosure-asa-winstanley/ | Source: The Dissenter [08:46] TR Bot Unauthorized Disclosure: Guest Asa Winstanley [08:46] reptilian_thrills watch them move it to github and use a cla [08:46] TR News "Going back many, many years, weve argued that paywalls are not a particularly sustainable model for most journalism enterprises." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/14/chicago-sun-times-kills-its-paywall-makes-its-content-free-for-everyone/ | Source: Techdirt [08:46] TR Bot Sun-Times Kills Its Paywall; Makes Its Content Free For Everyone | Techdirt [08:46] reptilian_thrills gnu will resist, it wont matter [08:46] TR News Publisher Wiley Lets Libraries Offer eTextbooks Again But Only For Nine Months https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/14/publisher-wiley-lets-libraries-offer-etextbooks-again-but-only-for-nine-months/ | Source: Techdirt [08:46] TR Bot Wiley Lets Libraries Offer eTextbooks Again But Only For Nine Months | Techdirt [08:47] reptilian_thrills ibm already literally owns the gcc repo [08:47] reptilian_thrills gnu.fools will dilute the trademark so they can do what they want with that [08:47] TR News SLAPP https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/14/john-stossel-loses-his-pathetic-slapp-suit-against-facebook-and-fact-checkers/ | Source: Techdirt [08:47] TR Bot Stossel Loses His Pathetic SLAPP Suit Against Facebook And Fact Checkers | Techdirt [08:48] reptilian_thrills they have like 3 or more different hooks in gcc already [08:48] reptilian_thrills all they have to do is pull [08:48] reptilian_thrills slowly reel it in [08:48] reptilian_thrills already happening [08:48] TR News Sanders on monopolies. Bailout Biden won't do anything, he openly mocked Sanders to signal his blind loyalty to the plutocrats. https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/10/14/sanders-says-biden-admin-must-reject-merger-kroger-and-albertsons | Source: Common Dreams [08:48] TR Bot Sanders Says Biden Admin 'Must Reject' Merger of Kroger and Albertsons [08:49] reptilian_thrills fsf has their thumb in their arse [08:49] reptilian_thrills scam artists [08:49] reptilian_thrills free sweatshop foundation [08:49] TR News "Thursdays final hearing of the January 6 committee is a segue to the criminal case that federal prosecutors are piecing together" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/10/14/criminal-case-against-donald-j-trump-has-been-established-will-garland-act | Source: Common Dreams [08:49] TR Bot Opinion | The Criminal Case Against Donald J. Trump Has Been Established, But Will the Garland Act? | Robert Reich [08:49] *oarion7 has quit (Quit: Running IRC on a charmed medieval abacus.) [08:49] TR News (NEW): Open Hardware: DIY, Raspberry Pi, and Arduino http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Open_Hardware_DIY_Raspberry_Pi_and_Arduino.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Open_Hardware_DIY_Raspberry_Pi_and_Arduino.gmi [08:49] TR Bot Tux Machines Open Hardware: DIY, Raspberry Pi, and Arduino [08:49] reptilian_thrills work for ibm for free! give us money to promote the open source scam (but call it "free software") [08:50] reptilian_thrills buy a tshirt so ibm can exploit free labour [08:51] schestowitz[TR] FSF says almost nothing this year. Paralysed. https://www.fsf.org/blogs/recent-blog-posts [08:51] TR Bot FSF blogs Free Software Foundation Working together for free software [08:51] schestowitz[TR] post-trauma [08:52] reptilian_thrills oh cmon [08:52] TR News "Were sharing the fourth evaluation report on projects in our Gender Balance in Computing research programme today" https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/gender-balance-in-computing-sense-of-belonging/ | Source: Raspberry Pi [08:52] TR Bot Girls' sense of belonging in the Computing classroom: Study results - Raspberry Pi [08:52] reptilian_thrills rms maybe-- all of them? [08:52] reptilian_thrills ridiculous [08:52] reptilian_thrills "sorry ukraine, the entire army has ptsd" [08:52] reptilian_thrills what are the odds [08:53] TR News FBI https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/14/hundreds-of-fbi-employees-are-simply-walking-away-from-misconduct-charges/ | Source: Techdirt [08:53] TR Bot Of FBI Employees Are Simply Walking Away From Misconduct Charges | Techdirt [08:53] TR News "The Los Angeles Sheriffs Department has been problematic pretty much ever since its inception." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/14/los-angeles-sheriffs-department-goes-completely-rogue-blocks-inspector-generals-access-to-files-facilities/ | Source: Techdirt [08:53] TR Bot Angeles Sheriffs Department Goes Completely Rogue, Blocks Inspector Generals Access To Files, Facilities | Techdirt [08:54] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [08:54] schestowitz[TR] rms is the chief [08:54] reptilian_thrills i suppose post-trauma is why in early 2022 they were caving to demands johnua gay talked about the same week [08:54] schestowitz[TR] demoralised chief, deemoralised operations [08:54] reptilian_thrills rms is the chief <- not since 2011/2014 [08:54] schestowitz[TR] he is still the echief [08:54] reptilian_thrills he lets duix run the show now [08:54] schestowitz[TR] directly and indirectly [08:54] reptilian_thrills in name only [08:54] schestowitz[TR] so who is the chief then? [08:55] schestowitz[TR] tell me [08:55] DaemonFC The January 6th committee is going to accomplish basically, a hell of a lot of nothing. [08:56] DaemonFC Joe Biden has done such an awful job as president that it's all anyone cares about right now. [08:56] TR News Seattle Times, which took bribes from Famous Criminal Bill Gates https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/13/seattle-times-brands-complain-over-senate-campaign-ad-that-is-clearly-protected-speech/ | Source: Techdirt [08:56] TR Bot Times, Brands Complain Over Senate Campaign Ad That Is Clearly Protected Speech | Techdirt [08:56] DaemonFC Every day he figures out something to make it even worse. [08:56] TR News Masnick's site, after bagging Koch money, still an apologist for US monopolists at times. Very disappointing. https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/14/in-eu-and-us-big-telecom-desperately-wants-big-tech-to-pay-it-billions-of-dollars-for-no-coherent-reason/ | Source: Techdirt [08:56] TR Bot EU And US, Big Telecom Desperately Wants Big Tech To Pay It Billions Of Dollars For No Coherent Reason | Techdirt [08:58] reptilian_thrills so who is the chief then? <- there isnt one [08:58] reptilian_thrills its not that i dont think rms has the right [08:59] TR News Wealth Tax https://truthout.org/articles/a-wealth-tax-on-the-0-25-percent-could-fund-bidens-entire-student-debt-plan/ | Source: TruthOut [08:59] TR Bot A Wealth Tax on the 0.25 Percent Could Fund Bidens Entire Student Debt Plan [08:59] reptilian_thrills its that 1. he doesnt use his authority 2. they clearly do not recognise it [08:59] reptilian_thrills i cant do anything about either of those [08:59] reptilian_thrills but im not going to pretend hes in power, he clearly is not ● Oct 15 [09:00] reptilian_thrills duix runs gnu [09:00] TR News Most Americans Back Reforms to Make Voting Easier https://truthout.org/articles/most-americans-back-reforms-to-make-voting-easier-poll-shows/ | Source: TruthOut [09:00] TR Bot Most Americans Back Reforms to Make Voting Easier, Poll Shows [09:00] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 128.06 k/sec., IPFS upstream 72.21 average k/sec., average swarm size 35.36 [09:00] reptilian_thrills you may not see it, thats not my problem [09:00] schestowitz[TR] duix? [09:00] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@22agg6qj8dxhg.irc) has joined #techrights [09:00] reptilian_thrills its not pronounced "deex" [09:01] reptilian_thrills this is a whole lot easier than "mac asay" [09:01] reptilian_thrills i knew of matt asay before that started [09:01] reptilian_thrills and i still wasnt sure you meant him [09:01] reptilian_thrills or what he had to do with macs [09:02] TR News Marijuana: Biden's election strategy is, vote Dems because "smoke weed every day" (while the country collapses) https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/14/bidens-marijuana-pardons-are-a-seismic-shift/ | Source: Counter Punch [09:02] TR Bot Marijuana Pardons are a Seismic Shift - CounterPunch.org [09:05] TR News "And the storyline for The US and the Holocaust can be succinctly summed up this way..." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/14/259488/ | Source: Counter Punch http://techrights.org/2021/04/25/ibm-germany-history/ [09:05] TR Bot the People Did Next To Nothing - CounterPunch.org [09:05] TR Bot Documentary: IBM Founder (Watson) Gave a Nazi Salute, Admired Hitler, Said Hitler Was Doing the Right Thing | Techrights [09:05] TR News Can the Fed Control Inflation With Just Rate Hikes? https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/14/can-the-fed-control-inflation-with-just-rate-hikes/ | Source: Counter Punch [09:05] TR Bot the Fed Control Inflation With Just Rate Hikes? - CounterPunch.org [09:05] reptilian_thrills so who is the chief then <- who is the chief of the beothuk indians? [09:06] reptilian_thrills fun fact, the fsf had (may even still have) more members than the beothuk tribe had [09:06] schestowitz[TR] https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-free-software-foundation-reveals-how-rms-was-re-elected-and-its-future/ [09:06] TR Bot Free Software Foundation reveals how RMS was re-elected and its future | ZDNET [09:06] schestowitz[TR] SJVN [09:06] schestowitz[TR] anti-FSF [09:06] schestowitz[TR] paid by LF [09:06] reptilian_thrills fsf is anti-fsf [09:06] schestowitz[TR] LF is helping the coup [09:07] reptilian_thrills https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-free-software-foundation-reveals-how-rms-was-re-elected-and-its-future/ <- is this new? [09:07] reptilian_thrills LF is helping the coup <- lf is open source [09:07] reptilian_thrills open source is the bloody coup [09:07] reptilian_thrills The Coup is part of the coup [09:07] schestowitz[TR] https://www.fsf.org/news/statement-of-fsf-board-on-election-of-richard-stallman [09:07] schestowitz[TR] "We decided to bring RMS back because we missed his wisdom. His historical, legal and technical acumen on free software is unrivaled. He has a deep sensitivity to the ways that technologies can contribute to both the enhancement and the diminution of basic human rights. His global network of connections is invaluable. He remains the most articulate philosopher and an unquestionably dedicated advocate of freedom in computing. [09:07] TR Bot Statement of FSF board on election of Richard Stallman Free Software Foundation Working together for free software [09:07] schestowitz[TR] " [09:07] reptilian_thrills the coup is open source [09:07] schestowitz[TR] RMS is in charge [09:07] schestowitz[TR] https://octave.discourse.group/t/rms-back-on-the-fsf-board/974 [09:07] reptilian_thrills RMS is in charge <- of what [09:07] TR Bot RMS back on the FSF board - community - GNU Octave [09:08] reptilian_thrills on-the-fsf-board <- i believe mjg can still vote on the board [09:08] reptilian_thrills this is what i thought i heard, i could be mistaken [09:08] schestowitz[TR] no [09:08] schestowitz[TR] coup plotters ousted [09:08] reptilian_thrills ive been trying to [09:08] schestowitz[TR] and walsh left [09:08] reptilian_thrills "ousted" [09:08] schestowitz[TR] i know someone who wet her [sic] [09:08] reptilian_thrills ive been trying to figure out the "hidden board" for years [09:09] schestowitz[TR] mattl is out [09:09] reptilian_thrills i know someone who wet her <- wet-ever [09:09] schestowitz[TR] many who plotted to remove the founder [09:09] reptilian_thrills many who plotted to remove the founder <- still getting their wishlist checked off in 2022 [09:09] schestowitz[TR] now she is in CC [09:09] reptilian_thrills she was already in cc [09:09] schestowitz[TR] which is part of the coup [09:09] schestowitz[TR] along with total weirdoes [09:09] reptilian_thrills yes, cc is part of the coup [09:09] schestowitz[TR] who also attack SF [09:09] schestowitz[TR] CC turned its back on its inception [09:09] reptilian_thrills along with total weirdoes <- not sure which groups youre being prudish about here [09:10] reptilian_thrills CC turned its back on its inception <- cc has been pretty useless most of its existence, like osi. [09:10] schestowitz[TR] and is not just sitting there doing notjing [09:10] schestowitz[TR] sort of like eff and mozilla [09:10] reptilian_thrills eff mozilla. [09:10] schestowitz[TR] pandering to oligarchs is no recipe for success [09:10] reptilian_thrills eff eff too [09:10] schestowitz[TR] they just use you temporarily and toss you away [09:10] reptilian_thrills is no recipe for success <- oh it is, unless your real job is to fight the status quo [09:10] reptilian_thrills they just use you temporarily and toss you away <- yep [09:11] schestowitz[TR] like spamnil [09:11] schestowitz[TR] when tfir was still muktware [09:11] schestowitz[TR] or themusk [09:11] schestowitz[TR] themut [09:11] reptilian_thrills https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-free-software-foundation-reveals-how-rms-was-re-elected-and-its-future/ <- is this new? [09:11] TR Bot Free Software Foundation reveals how RMS was re-elected and its future | ZDNET [09:11] schestowitz[TR] he did get some traffic [09:11] schestowitz[TR] not it's like 95% clickfraud [09:11] schestowitz[TR] and pretending [09:11] schestowitz[TR] and many people loathe him [09:11] reptilian_thrills i disliked sjvn when you were still defending him [09:11] schestowitz[TR] i saw jim salter at ars [09:11] schestowitz[TR] he too sort of attacked rms [09:12] schestowitz[TR] for conde nast [09:12] schestowitz[TR] which employed "drpizza" [09:12] schestowitz[TR] the penetration tester of microsoft [09:12] schestowitz[TR] jim salter was discarded too [09:12] schestowitz[TR] btw [09:12] reptilian_thrills rofll [09:12] schestowitz[TR] https://arstechnica.com/author/jimsalter/ [09:12] TR Bot Jim Salter | Ars Technica [09:12] schestowitz[TR] no article in 12 months [09:12] schestowitz[TR] they must have canned him [09:12] reptilian_thrills only one Salt in the anti-rms letter fwiw [09:12] schestowitz[TR] maybe he did not lie enoughj [09:12] reptilian_thrills maybe he was busy when they were passing it around [09:13] schestowitz[TR] last article 11/11 last year [09:13] schestowitz[TR] "JIM SALTER / [09:13] schestowitz[TR] FORMER TECHNOLOGY REPORTER" [09:13] schestowitz[TR] FORMER [09:13] schestowitz[TR] he did not last long [09:13] reptilian_thrills the beothuk indians dont have a chief because they no longer exist [09:13] reptilian_thrills no tribe, no chief [09:14] reptilian_thrills if the gnu project is fighting they are VERY stealthy [09:14] reptilian_thrills practically invisible [09:14] mjg59_ reptilian_thrills: I was never a voting member in that sense [09:14] reptilian_thrills mjg59_ ah, ok [09:14] mjg59_ Leaving did not result in me having any voting rights [09:15] reptilian_thrills there does seem to be a hidden board though [09:15] reptilian_thrills so many people who were there who can vote [09:15] reptilian_thrills but idk much about it [09:15] reptilian_thrills its entirely possible ive been misled, im not sure how id go about fixing that [09:15] reptilian_thrills plus if it was deliberate thats a hoot because it opens up so many new possibilities :) [09:15] TR News [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D729.jpg [09:16] TR News [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D384.jpg [09:16] TR News "I love Smol Pub, I really do; it's simple and clean and friendly and has great users. But over time I've decided I'd rather just keep my gemlog on my capsule. So I'm moving over there." gemini://november.smol.pub/moving [09:16] reptilian_thrills but honestly getting a handle on wtf the fsf doing is like trying to grasp a fart [09:17] TR News "social media improvement ideas" gemini://sol.cities.yesterweb.org/stream.gmi [09:17] reptilian_thrills its a power vacuum dressed up as an organisation [09:17] reptilian_thrills much like iraq was after saddam was captured [09:18] TR News How I became a Contemplative Hacker gemini://khanti.smol.pub/how-i-became [09:18] reptilian_thrills dressed up as a country [09:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [09:20] TR News crypto [sic] currency [sic] https://fair.org/home/ahmad-abuznaid-on-israeli-human-rights-crackdown-sohale-mortazavi-on-cryptocurrency/ | Source: FAIR [09:20] TR Bot Ahmad Abuznaid on Israeli Human Rights Crackdown, Sohale Mortazavi on Cryptocurrency - FAIR [09:21] TR News "Janine Jackson interviewed Jacobins John Logan about Amazon and Starbucks organizing for the October 7, 2022, episode of CounterSpin." https://fair.org/home/people-are-taking-inspiration-from-union-victories-at-amazon-and-starbucks/ | Source: FAIR [09:21] TR Bot 'People Are Taking Inspiration From Union Victories at Amazon andStarbucks' - FAIR [09:21] reptilian_thrills true good news never comes out of there anymore [09:22] reptilian_thrills just marketing and rule changes which imo are negative on the whole [09:23] reptilian_thrills their anti-whistleblower policy isnt a cure, its a symptom [09:24] reptilian_thrills well, i tried not to give zdnet any clicks but i guess if i want to know, i have little choice [09:30] reptilian_thrills "Some board members, besides Knauth, are planning to leave the FSF board." <- that certainly dates it a bit [09:31] reptilian_thrills The GNU Project itself, while still organizationally tied to the FSF, is no longer largely financially supported by the FSF. Instead, its work is \"done mainly by volunteers and the Foundation mostly promotes free/libre software in other ways. The GCC Steering Committee has removed RMS from its membership. [09:31] reptilian_thrills ibm gcc [09:31] reptilian_thrills and ibm.fools [09:32] reptilian_thrills the FSF also noted that the charity rating organization Charity Navigator recently gave the FSF its eighth consecutive four-star rating <- meaningless imo [09:32] reptilian_thrills the rating is based on how they spend their money [09:32] reptilian_thrills not where it comes from [09:32] reptilian_thrills as long as they spend it on free software theyre going to have a good rating [09:33] reptilian_thrills so no buying a big table covered in cocaine, not that they had any plans to [09:33] reptilian_thrills ive seen large orgs buy luxurious offices for their leaders etc [09:33] reptilian_thrills they cant live there but they can live it up while theyre at work [09:34] reptilian_thrills fsf doesnt do that, so they get a good rating [09:34] reptilian_thrills meanwhile they get taken over by ibm, and it doesnt change the rating [09:35] reptilian_thrills charity navigator just goes in circles [09:35] reptilian_thrills chasting its tail [09:35] reptilian_thrills or chasing. or cheating. or typing, or something [09:36] reptilian_thrills As for Stallman? He's remained quiet since rejoining the FSF board. <- thats true [09:36] reptilian_thrills How long he'll continue to keep a low profile remains to be seen. <- permanently [09:37] reptilian_thrills sjvn should kill himself [09:37] DaemonFC My kosher dills are coming along nicely. [09:37] reptilian_thrills hes that good of a journalist [09:38] reptilian_thrills i suppose if he were a doctor people would find organs he kept as souveneirs [09:39] reptilian_thrills if he were a chef he would be the sort that urinates in the food (taken from a new story) [09:39] reptilian_thrills if he knew anything about computers, he would work for ibm. [09:39] reptilian_thrills who are we kidding, he does work for ibm. [09:40] reptilian_thrills Openfire (previously known as Wildfire, and Jive Messenger) is an instant messaging (IM) and groupchat server for the Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP) <- oh great [09:40] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [09:40] reptilian_thrills so eventually theyll do to xmpp what the industry did to html [09:41] reptilian_thrills The project lead is Dave Cridland. [09:42] TR News "She's the decisive vote we need to close the digital divide, lower the cost of broadband, and hold companies like Comcast and AT&T accountable." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/10/14/240-groups-push-senate-defy-telecom-attacks-and-confirm-biden-fcc-pick | Source: Common Dreams [09:42] TR Bot 240+ Groups Push Senate to Defy Telecom Attacks and Confirm Biden FCC Pick [09:43] reptilian_thrills anyway, removing java is an experiment [09:44] reptilian_thrills its not like java couldnt simply be put back in [09:44] reptilian_thrills not that i have any intention of doing so [09:44] reptilian_thrills im tempted to remove perl and python, but that raises an important question [09:44] reptilian_thrills if i remove those, what would be left? [09:44] reptilian_thrills just shell scripts? [09:44] schestowitz[TR] right [09:45] schestowitz[TR] but that reminded me of herr sixel [09:45] reptilian_thrills well, he actually helped inspire this fork [09:45] schestowitz[TR] where criteria are informal [09:45] schestowitz[TR] and based on ggut feelings [09:45] reptilian_thrills its mostly based on strict criteria [09:45] schestowitz[TR] you might end up with a bsd-based alpine [09:45] reptilian_thrills he went overboard on gut feelings [09:46] reptilian_thrills you might end up with a bsd-based alpine <- i can think of worse things. [09:46] reptilian_thrills dr sixel is nuts and is trying to build with software what hitler wanted to build with politics and war [09:47] reptilian_thrills but id be thrilled if baph os becomes really great software [09:47] *scientes13 (~c62ebe51@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [09:47] reptilian_thrills even though he will never release any of it [09:48] reptilian_thrills its a pure rhetorical device for him. this project actually does more than that [09:48] reptilian_thrills granted-- not a lot! [09:48] reptilian_thrills i had a gihub radar and nothing moved off github [09:48] reptilian_thrills then i build a more elaborate radar from the gnu project [09:49] reptilian_thrills this is just a radar scaled up from hundreds to tens of thousands [09:49] schestowitz[TR] that radar is still there [09:49] reptilian_thrills mostly it lets me watch github [09:49] reptilian_thrills that radar is still there <- obsolete [09:49] reptilian_thrills mine is better [09:49] schestowitz[TR] the way I see the issue is like this [09:49] schestowitz[TR] each day we have x new projects [09:49] schestowitz[TR] and we have y existing projects [09:50] schestowitz[TR] i spent hours in vain, [09:50] schestowitz[TR] trying tio find ANY journalism on git market share [09:50] schestowitz[TR] or change control systemd in general [09:50] schestowitz[TR] in vain! [09:50] schestowitz[TR] let's say y stays as is [09:50] reptilian_thrills mmhmm [09:50] schestowitz[TR] and among y, many are abandoned [09:50] schestowitz[TR] no development anymore [09:50] schestowitz[TR] so we need to jusge x [09:51] schestowitz[TR] but nobody does the work [09:51] schestowitz[TR] no journalism [09:51] reptilian_thrills journalists are shills [09:51] schestowitz[TR] yes, they are now [09:51] schestowitz[TR] like sjvn [09:51] schestowitz[TR] he used to do very good work [09:51] reptilian_thrills meh [09:51] reptilian_thrills he worked for open source always [09:52] schestowitz[TR] to be fair to mjg59_ I greatly respected his work on cpi [09:52] schestowitz[TR] and how he lashed out at companis that stood in his way [09:52] reptilian_thrills i dont know his work on cpi [09:52] schestowitz[TR] *aacpi [09:52] reptilian_thrills oh acpi [09:52] schestowitz[TR] back then many laptops stiill had issues [09:52] schestowitz[TR] to the point where I rejected laptopsa [09:52] schestowitz[TR] and chose desktops [09:52] reptilian_thrills i dont know what im talking about here, thats as good a disclaimer as any [09:53] reptilian_thrills but based on shuttleworths description of acpi [09:53] schestowitz[TR] thre was a site, [09:53] schestowitz[TR] linuxlaptops iirc [09:53] reptilian_thrills his work on acpi and his work on uefi arent that different [09:53] schestowitz[TR] or linux on laptops [09:53] schestowitz[TR] with howtos to help get them working [09:53] schestowitz[TR] nowadaysd almost any laptop picks up a gnu/linux diustro ok [09:53] schestowitz[TR] inc. wifi [09:53] reptilian_thrills (for better or worse) <- and for consistency it should be said for worse [09:53] schestowitz[TR] no, they are different [09:53] schestowitz[TR] torvalds too was ok with acpi [09:54] schestowitz[TR] not 'secure boot' [09:54] reptilian_thrills torvalds is useless [09:54] schestowitz[TR] microsoft'\s LP openly mocked ;'secure boot' [09:54] schestowitz[TR] you quopted him [09:54] schestowitz[TR] and I hadn't noticed before you did so [09:54] reptilian_thrills i take mjg more seriously than torvalds [09:54] schestowitz[TR] torvalds gave a talk a few weeks back [09:55] reptilian_thrills ill listen to mjgs opinions-- i dont trust him, ill generally take ariadne or leah over anything he says [09:55] schestowitz[TR] he changes his positions tro suit the employer [09:55] reptilian_thrills if torvalds tries to tell me anything (he wont) ill just tell him to go the fuck home [09:55] reptilian_thrills his opinions are meaningless [09:56] reptilian_thrills hes a puppet at this point, ill ask him which laundry soap to use sure [09:57] reptilian_thrills i dont even care what he thinks about git [09:57] reptilian_thrills i dont care about git at all [09:57] schestowitz[TR] git will be passe [09:57] schestowitz[TR] but not sure when [09:57] schestowitz[TR] and what will replace it [09:57] reptilian_thrills network effects [09:58] schestowitz[TR] seems gitlab and github both do damage [09:58] schestowitz[TR] they 'extend' git [09:58] schestowitz[TR] and then people start to associate git with bloated web uis [09:58] reptilian_thrills theyre silos [09:58] reptilian_thrills theyre doing to git what facebook did to websites [09:58] schestowitz[TR] right [09:58] schestowitz[TR] good analogy [09:58] schestowitz[TR] wordpress does the same [09:58] reptilian_thrills yeah, fucking wordpress [09:58] schestowitz[TR] wordpress even uses some FB crap [09:58] schestowitz[TR] like ractJS iirc [09:58] schestowitz[TR] *react.js [09:59] schestowitz[TR] this was mentioned earlier in the context of editors [09:59] schestowitz[TR] I have many good editors [09:59] schestowitz[TR] I don't need some JS shit running ina canvass [09:59] schestowitz[TR] it's heavy, not secure, not reliable [09:59] schestowitz[TR] easy to lose your work [09:59] schestowitz[TR] last year rianne and I passed all our text ediing to an external file server ● Oct 15 [10:00] schestowitz[TR] harder to lose data this way [10:00] schestowitz[TR] and there are 3 layers of failsafe [10:00] schestowitz[TR] on the web, none [10:00] schestowitz[TR] browser crashes, work lost [10:00] schestowitz[TR] if wordpress did auto-save, maybe [10:00] schestowitz[TR] but that led to other issues [10:00] schestowitz[TR] like the other month I overrode a previous post of mine [10:00] schestowitz[TR] after machine crash [10:01] schestowitz[TR] wordpress added the version control and auto0-save fuctnionality when I was still involved in the project [10:01] schestowitz[TR] but that causes other issues [10:01] schestowitz[TR] like in techrights, [10:01] schestowitz[TR] we have about 34k posts [10:01] schestowitz[TR] but the db holds about 170k posts [10:01] schestowitz[TR] because of versions [10:01] schestowitz[TR] so backup dumps become a lot bigger [10:01] schestowitz[TR] I can remove those "drafts" [10:02] schestowitz[TR] but I want drafts [10:02] schestowitz[TR] just noit inm a fucking database!!! [10:02] reptilian_thrills sure, why not [10:02] schestowitz[TR] and not one that every 24 hours gets dumped in full [10:02] schestowitz[TR] causing temporary site access issues [10:02] schestowitz[TR] due to the database locking up for data integrity [10:03] schestowitz[TR] the term for this is "over-engineering" [10:03] reptilian_thrills yep [10:03] reptilian_thrills phbs loves it [10:03] schestowitz[TR] they don't get it [10:03] reptilian_thrills they get to brag how x as y and z [10:03] schestowitz[TR] they want to keep people "busy" [10:03] schestowitz[TR] so they keep "improving" things that already work [10:04] reptilian_thrills and then x, which is needed, becomes the red-headed stepchild to shiny unnecessary bullsht [10:04] reptilian_thrills yep [10:04] schestowitz[TR] it's why many sites get so bloated [10:04] schestowitz[TR] and have new bugs [10:04] reptilian_thrills software too [10:04] schestowitz[TR] sites are software [10:04] reptilian_thrills yep [10:04] schestowitz[TR] they used to be not software [10:04] schestowitz[TR] but now they are code [10:04] *parsifal (~parsifal@8vte7vm6885eu.irc) has joined #techrights [10:04] reptilian_thrills but they get bloated faster [10:04] schestowitz[TR] red hat sites are increasingly a pile of JS [10:05] schestowitz[TR] and they deny you access [10:05] schestowitz[TR] even if you run the JS using the 'wrong' browser [10:05] schestowitz[TR] LOL....1.32 MB on CNN just for the HTML. [10:05] schestowitz[TR] 1.32MB [10:05] *scientes13 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [10:06] reptilian_thrills yeah once you start mediating, youll start deciding which browsers are worth your time to support [10:06] schestowitz[TR] I could upload a 10,000x10,000 pixel JPEG at 1.32MB [10:06] schestowitz[TR] with coarse wavelets [10:06] schestowitz[TR] or 123 small but decent webp photos [10:07] schestowitz[TR] yesterday I advocated falkon again [10:07] schestowitz[TR] dfc does not use it maybe because ./... qt [10:07] schestowitz[TR] he seems to go for the gnome things [10:07] reptilian_thrills youre out of your falkon mind [10:07] reptilian_thrills ^ had to be said [10:07] schestowitz[TR] I've used it since the start [10:07] schestowitz[TR] when it was "rekonq" [10:07] schestowitz[TR] more than ten years ago [10:07] schestowitz[TR] iirc, dfc recommended it to me [10:08] reptilian_thrills heh [10:08] reptilian_thrills hes obviously moved on [10:08] schestowitz[TR] because I used an unmaintained predecessor [10:08] schestowitz[TR] oh, wait [10:08] schestowitz[TR] konqueror (still around [10:08] schestowitz[TR] rekonq [10:08] schestowitz[TR] qupzilla [10:08] schestowitz[TR] falkon [10:08] schestowitz[TR] and the last is mostly maintained by one person [10:08] schestowitz[TR] who started it as an experiment of sorts [10:09] TR News Teachers and parents united in demanding changes https://telex.hu/english/2022/10/14/teachers-and-parents-united-to-demand-changes-in-education | Source: Telex (Hungary) [10:09] TR Bot Telex: Teachers and parents united in demanding changes in education [10:09] schestowitz[TR] they want to TEACH [10:09] schestowitz[TR] that's a threat to fideath, MinceR [10:09] schestowitz[TR] like real education in the US [10:10] schestowitz[TR] not sure it happens herew [10:10] schestowitz[TR] maybe it does, but I've not noticed [10:10] reptilian_thrills like real education in the US <- not a very big threat [10:10] schestowitz[TR] for 2 decades they said gcqhe levels and standards were lowered [10:11] schestowitz[TR] I need to see a 2022 CS syllabus [10:11] schestowitz[TR] surely I can find onje online [10:12] schestowitz[TR] if they have courses on "clown", then we're f*ed [10:12] reptilian_thrills the clown has already taken over [10:12] schestowitz[TR] no [10:12] reptilian_thrills they dont have to teach clown, they teach github [10:12] schestowitz[TR] it was there all along [10:12] schestowitz[TR] :-) [10:12] schestowitz[TR] not sure they teach that [10:12] reptilian_thrills gitclown [10:12] reptilian_thrills clownhub [10:12] schestowitz[TR] maybe some worse colleges do [10:12] schestowitz[TR] need to check [10:12] reptilian_thrills oh they teach github [10:13] schestowitz[TR] which uni? [10:13] schestowitz[TR] I'm checking now [10:13] reptilian_thrills its not a course, its a material. [10:13] schestowitz[TR] on my disks I have copies of the 2000 and later syllabi [10:13] reptilian_thrills they teach github in the courses [10:13] schestowitz[TR] inc. lecture notes [10:13] schestowitz[TR] yes, but who is the they? [10:13] schestowitz[TR] mit? [10:14] reptilian_thrills it happens informally [10:14] schestowitz[TR] wentworth? [10:14] reptilian_thrills youll see [10:14] reptilian_thrills im sure youll find it all over the place [10:14] reptilian_thrills i feel pretty confident i could walk into just about any uni right now [10:14] reptilian_thrills find them using github in courses [10:14] schestowitz[TR] https://studentnet.cs.manchester.ac.uk/ugt/syllabus.php [10:14] schestowitz[TR] php [10:14] schestowitz[TR] good [10:14] TR Bot Current UG Study & Curriculum (School of Computer Science - The University of Manchester) [10:15] schestowitz[TR] looks good [10:15] schestowitz[TR] the titles at least [10:15] schestowitz[TR] they teach the concepts [10:15] schestowitz[TR] ""Introduction to AI [10:15] schestowitz[TR] followed by "Machine Learning" [10:15] schestowitz[TR] They used to have just "Machine Learning" [10:15] schestowitz[TR] they had to add "HEY HI" [10:16] schestowitz[TR] "Knowledge-based AI" [10:16] schestowitz[TR] HEY HI!!! [10:16] schestowitz[TR] "Introduction to Visual Computing" [10:16] schestowitz[TR] https://my.manchester.ac.uk/uPortal/p/course-unit-info.ctf1/max/render.uP?pP_action=viewCUDetails&pP_location=/CourseUnitPublishing/CourseUnitDataFiles/COMP/001893COMP271122022-08-161V12.xml [10:17] schestowitz[TR] for manchester css the syllabus still looks solid, overall [10:17] reptilian_thrills in communist russia, github teaches manchester uni [10:17] reptilian_thrills https://github.com/UoMCS/COMP101 [10:17] TR Bot - UoMCS/COMP101: Lab manual and exercises for UoM CS101 [10:17] reptilian_thrills this is what i mean, its everywhere [10:17] reptilian_thrills 09:14 it happens informally [10:17] reptilian_thrills 09:13 its not a course, its a material [10:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [10:21] *Noisytoot has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in) [10:21] reptilian_thrills https://github.com/UoMCS/softeng Software engineering at the University of Manchester https://software-eng.netlify.app/ [10:21] TR Bot - UoMCS/softeng: Software engineering at the University of Manchester https://software-eng.netlify.app/ [10:21] TR Bot Welcome | Software engineering [10:21] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@freenode/user/Noisytoot) has joined #techrights [10:21] *Noisytoot has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in) [10:21] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #techrights [10:25] reptilian_thrills https://github.com/UoMCS/php-png Library for manipulating PNG files in PHP [10:25] TR Bot - UoMCS/php-png: Library for manipulating PNG files in PHP [10:26] reptilian_thrills here you want to look at the syllabus? you can visualise it [10:26] reptilian_thrills https://github.com/UoMCS/syllabus-visualisation [10:26] TR Bot - UoMCS/syllabus-visualisation: Syllabus Visualisation [10:26] reptilian_thrills /me visualises microsoft controlling the compsci dept [10:27] reptilian_thrills https://github.com/UoMCS/komodo Komodo debugger used in engineering laboratories [10:27] TR Bot - UoMCS/komodo: Komodo debugger used in engineering laboratories [10:27] reptilian_thrills even their mips stuff is on github (maybe their most popular repo on gh) [10:27] *schestowitz[TR] back [10:28] reptilian_thrills github has taken over the school [10:28] reptilian_thrills granted im not picking on manchester-- i think its like this in general [10:28] reptilian_thrills i wish it wasnt [10:28] reptilian_thrills the term "monopoly" tends to imply... basically this [10:29] reptilian_thrills github is nearly a monopoly. its bad. [10:29] reptilian_thrills its not QUITE a monopoly, but its enough of one to predict stuff like this [10:29] TR News "General Mills hikedits pricesfive times since June of 2021 alone, and the company saw its net earnings climb31 percentto$820 million" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/14/raise-corporate-taxes-not-interest-rates/ | Source: Counter Punch [10:29] TR Bot Corporate Taxes, Not Interest Rates - CounterPunch.org [10:30] TR News
  • [10:30] reptilian_thrills for uom to stand against github, they would have to care more about software freedom than the gnu project [10:30] TR News "There is a huge difference between those at the top of the .1%people such as Musk, Bezos, and Gatesand those at the entry level." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/14/the-wealth-of-the-u-s-wealthiest-one-tenth-of-one-percent/ | Source: Counter Punch [10:30] TR Bot Wealth of the U.S. Wealthiest One-Tenth of One Percent - CounterPunch.org [10:30] reptilian_thrills thats slightly tongue in cheek (but mostly true) [10:31] schestowitz[TR] shithub is subsidised at a loss [10:31] schestowitz[TR] that's why many still use that [10:32] schestowitz[TR] and they also bribe with cpu cycles [10:32] schestowitz[TR] github "actions" [10:32] schestowitz[TR] meanwhile they need an income source [10:32] schestowitz[TR] 18k laid off [10:32] schestowitz[TR] just at Microsoft [10:32] schestowitz[TR] frieddman was canned [10:32] schestowitz[TR] and they put azure person in charge [10:32] schestowitz[TR] they try to figure out how to 'monetise' it [10:32] schestowitz[TR] gitlab also [10:33] schestowitz[TR] they wanted to cut costs [10:33] schestowitz[TR] by removing 'inactive' projects [10:33] schestowitz[TR] i.e. projects that are still useful but don't have commit activity on them [10:33] schestowitz[TR] turns out 'free' hosting is not a business plan [10:33] schestowitz[TR] it's a market share geab plan [10:33] schestowitz[TR] free sofwtare does not have this issue [10:33] schestowitz[TR] free software does not mean free hosting [10:33] schestowitz[TR] it means, [10:33] schestowitz[TR] take this code [10:33] schestowitz[TR] pass it on [10:33] schestowitz[TR] deploy it [10:34] schestowitz[TR] send back patches etc. [10:34] schestowitz[TR] but you are on your own [10:34] schestowitz[TR] 'clown' computing is not cheap [10:34] schestowitz[TR] it's bait [10:34] TR News IRC Proceedings: Friday, October 14, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/10/15/irc-log-141022/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/15/irc-log-141022/ [10:34] TR Bot IRC Proceedings: Friday, October 14, 2022 | Techrights [10:35] reptilian_thrills while the world stops caring about software freedom, the fsf does [10:35] reptilian_thrills nothing [10:35] schestowitz[TR] yeah [10:35] schestowitz[TR] i did a post about this. [10:35] schestowitz[TR] hang on [10:35] reptilian_thrills shithub is subsidised at a loss <- expenditures [10:35] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2022/09/28/free-speech-dying/ [10:35] TR Bot Free Speech is Becoming as Scarce as Independent Journalism (Even at the FSF) | Techrights [10:35] schestowitz[TR] not this one [10:35] schestowitz[TR] there was another one.. [10:35] reptilian_thrills 18k laid off <- the nazi camps laid off millions [10:36] reptilian_thrills they still had plenty of free workers [10:36] reptilian_thrills they put azure person in charge <- i swear it was mentioned in the halloween documents [10:36] reptilian_thrills "one 'blue sky' option..." [10:37] reptilian_thrills they try to figure out how to 'monetise' it <- this is your circular argument, you dont get it [10:37] reptilian_thrills github is a weapon, its not a product [10:37] reptilian_thrills if a guy goes into a bank with a gun, it doesnt matter how much money they give him [10:37] reptilian_thrills the gun is not for sale [10:37] schestowitz[TR] meanwhile at github [10:37] schestowitz[TR] dmaage control [10:37] schestowitz[TR] : [10:37] schestowitz[TR] [03:32] your iphone hangs up the network whgen idle [10:37] schestowitz[TR] [03:32] Yeah something like that [10:37] schestowitz[TR] [03:32] if that happens assume anything posted through irc might not go through [10:37] schestowitz[TR] [03:33] Anyways I'm just saying don't assume that I am right about him resisting arrest [10:37] schestowitz[TR] [03:33] That is just an opinion and not anything that should be published [10:37] schestowitz[TR] [03:33] i assume nothing, at least when publishing [10:37] schestowitz[TR] [03:33] i check carefully [10:37] schestowitz[TR] [03:33] I am not committing defamation by saying that there's usually a correlation between a long time in jail and posting bail [10:37] schestowitz[TR] [03:33] And resisting arrest [10:37] schestowitz[TR] [03:34] https://twitter.com/natfriedman/status/1240022284489777153?s=20 [10:37] TR Bot @epowell101 Yes, a return to the belief in the importance of technocratic excellence. [10:37] schestowitz[TR] [03:34] This is interesting [10:38] schestowitz[TR] [03:34] "Technocrat" [10:38] schestowitz[TR] [03:34] you mean like the one percent? [03:35] The slumlords nat? [10:38] schestowitz[TR] [03:36] "king of github" [10:38] schestowitz[TR] [03:36] xamarin [10:38] schestowitz[TR] [03:36] ximian [10:38] schestowitz[TR] [03:36] microsoft.. CEO [10:38] schestowitz[TR] [03:36] lol [10:38] schestowitz[TR] [03:36] playing "low level" [10:38] schestowitz[TR] [03:36] while talking about his 'homy' satya in twitter a day or so before "thank you github" [10:38] schestowitz[TR] [03:36] he was sacked I reckon [10:38] schestowitz[TR] [03:36] on amicable terms [10:38] schestowitz[TR] [03:36] to avoid panic at the company [10:38] schestowitz[TR] [03:37] "Mind over matter" [10:38] schestowitz[TR] [03:37] Poor victim [03:39] I wish i knew more. [10:38] schestowitz[TR] [03:40] lol [10:38] schestowitz[TR] [03:40] it's almost 4sam here [10:38] schestowitz[TR] [03:40] I think Alex might have already been on his last days at github [10:38] schestowitz[TR] [03:40] I need sleep soon [10:38] schestowitz[TR] [03:40] He's been working on documentation [10:38] schestowitz[TR] [03:40] Yeah sure go to sleep thanks for taking down my picture because I really want you to do that and it's important [10:38] schestowitz[TR] [03:40] yes, will do that [10:38] schestowitz[TR] [03:40] I know it's public but the warrant is much better evidence[03:40] in the morning [10:38] schestowitz[TR] [03:41] Thank you good night [10:38] schestowitz[TR] [03:41] gn [10:39] schestowitz[TR] lots going on at github, reptilian_thrills [10:39] schestowitz[TR] but the media is MIA [10:39] schestowitz[TR] intentionally [10:39] schestowitz[TR] noticed how "copilot" isn't talked much about this year? [10:39] reptilian_thrills lots going on at github <- you know where a lot isnt going on? [10:39] reptilian_thrills free software [10:39] schestowitz[TR] and now it's just OSI shill talking about "HEY HI"? [10:39] schestowitz[TR] while Microsoft pays for the placements? [10:39] schestowitz[TR] under the name "github"? [10:39] reptilian_thrills noticed how "copilot" isn't talked much about this year? <- i havent kept up on this [10:39] mjg59_ Copilot's kind of talked about a lot this year? [10:40] mjg59_ It GAed earlier this year [10:40] reptilian_thrills ah here comes the fact checker [10:40] reptilian_thrills actually, roy could use a few of those [10:40] mjg59_ And moved to requiring payment [10:40] mjg59_ (Outside people who qualify for free access) [10:40] schestowitz[TR] it's piushing proprietary software [10:40] schestowitz[TR] vs 'core' [10:40] schestowitz[TR] *code [10:40] schestowitz[TR] and it'll fail [10:40] schestowitz[TR] shithub will still lose money [10:40] reptilian_thrills __________ is dying [10:40] mjg59_ That's kind of a separate issue from nobody talking about it [10:40] schestowitz[TR] while encouraging copyright violations [10:40] schestowitz[TR] which mjg59_ is OK with [10:41] schestowitz[TR] biab [10:41] schestowitz[TR] no time to fight with copilot apologists [10:41] mjg59_ Yeah I'm actually broadly good with weakening copyright [10:41] reptilian_thrills im good with broadly weakening it [10:41] mjg59_ Free software doesn't depend on it [10:41] mjg59_ The GPL is a win while strong copyright exists [10:41] mjg59_ But I'd rather not have strong copyright [10:42] reptilian_thrills The GPL is a win while strong copyright exists <- this has been my position for years [10:42] reptilian_thrills But I'd rather not have strong copyrigh <- this too [10:42] reptilian_thrills however, as strategies for weakening copyright goes [10:42] TR News WheatSystem Is A Homebrew 8-Bit OS https://hackaday.com/2022/10/14/wheatsystem-is-a-homebrew-8-bit-os/ | Source: Hackaday [10:42] TR Bot Is A Homebrew 8-Bit OS | Hackaday [10:42] reptilian_thrills having microsoft rip people off has not weakened copyright very much, even during decades of "progress" [10:42] TR News RepRap https://hackaday.com/2022/10/14/hackaday-podcast-189-seven-segments-three-ways-candle-code-diy-e-readers-and-the-badge-reveal/ | Source: Hackaday [10:42] TR Bot Podcast 189: Seven Segments Three Ways, Candle Code, DIY E-Readers, And The Badge Reveal | Hackaday [10:43] reptilian_thrills instead, they charge royalties for bogus patents [10:43] reptilian_thrills but the royalties are just as real as they would be for legit patents [10:43] mjg59_ If someone other than Microsoft trained a model on the Github data (which, I admit, would be more work) you'd end up with an equivalent model that wasn't owned by Microsoft [10:43] reptilian_thrills i buy an android phone, microsoft gets paid. did they make android? no. would it matter? no. [10:44] mjg59_ Would that model be evil? [10:44] TR News Npm Timing Leak = Microsoft failure https://hackaday.com/2022/10/14/this-week-in-security-npm-timing-leak-siemens-universal-key-and-php-in-png/ | Source: Hackaday http://techrights.org/2022/02/28/microsoft-github-expose-part-xviii-the-story-of-npm/ [10:44] TR Bot Week In Security: Npm Timing Leak, Siemens Universal Key, And PHP In PNG | Hackaday [10:44] TR Bot Microsoft GitHub Expos Part XVIII The Story of NPM | Techrights [10:44] reptilian_thrills having microsoft rip people off has not weakened copyright very much, even during decades of "progress" <- if anything, copyright has gotten stronger since then [10:44] reptilian_thrills Would that model be evil? <- thats reducing the question to focus on the good and ignore the problem [10:44] reptilian_thrills if its not a fallacy its still rhetoric [10:45] reptilian_thrills youre REALLY good at framing shit [10:45] mjg59_ I think it's helpful to separate individual actions by Microsoft from Microsoft's overall strategy when analysing things [10:45] reptilian_thrills i want to know who trained you, it cant just be a hobby [10:46] reptilian_thrills I think it's helpful to separate individual actions by Microsoft from Microsoft's overall strategy <- you mean separate their actions from the problems it causes :) [10:46] mjg59_ Benefits of an Oxbridge education [10:46] mjg59_ (Not really, they don't teach rhetoric in biology courses) [10:46] reptilian_thrills Benefits of an Oxbridge education <- so when the an-coms smash oxbridge ill hold my tongue [10:46] mjg59_ (And I was never a member of the debating societies) [10:46] reptilian_thrills hard to believe [10:47] reptilian_thrills your skill at compartmentalising is nearly unlike any ive seen. [10:47] mjg59_ Oh, I'm ideologically closer to being an an-com than anything else tbh [10:47] reptilian_thrills youre like rhetorical qubes os [10:48] mjg59_ Microsoft as a whole certainly benefits from broadening IP protection [10:48] reptilian_thrills but hypocrisy has rarely hurt their ambitions or their bottom line [10:48] mjg59_ That doesn't mean that every single thing that happens within Microsoft that could be perceived in that way is intended to be that [10:48] mjg59_ Microsoft is a giant and dysfunctional company [10:48] mjg59_ It's just not capable of ensuring that 100% of everything lines up with being evil [10:48] reptilian_thrills Microsoft is a giant and dysfunctional company <- but unquestionably destructive to things outside it [10:49] reptilian_thrills It's just not capable of ensuring that 100% of everything lines up with being evil <- im not sure the margin makes much difference [10:49] reptilian_thrills i mean i used to [10:49] reptilian_thrills before free software collapsed [10:49] reptilian_thrills i used to think we could win [10:49] reptilian_thrills i still TECHNICALLY do [10:49] reptilian_thrills but its a lot more laughable now [10:49] mjg59_ Hey if I'd wanted to sell out and make a shitload of cash by working for Microsoft I've had ample opportunity, and I won't because I think Microsoft is still fundamentally incompatible with advancing free software [10:50] TR News Pro Publica talks about "Affordable Housing" while taking bribes from the world's biggest thief, Bill Gates https://www.propublica.org/article/crda-failed-affordable-housing-atlantic-city [10:50] TR Bot How CRDA Failed on Affordable Housing in Atlantic City ProPublica [10:50] mjg59_ But I don't think Copilot is a plot to launder free software into proprietary code [10:50] reptilian_thrills yeah but thats roys schtick not mine [10:50] reptilian_thrills he thinks youre going to work for them because i thinks theyll buy aurora [10:50] reptilian_thrills and i said [10:50] reptilian_thrills for one reason or another, if microsoft buys aurora, youll probably quit not long after [10:51] reptilian_thrills call it a hunch [10:51] mjg59_ If any company I work for is acquired by Microsoft, my resignation notice is signed in the time it takes me to write it after learning that happens [10:51] mjg59_ Ditto Apple [10:51] schestowitz[TR] yeah but thats roys schtick not mine [10:51] schestowitz[TR] trhat's the evidence [10:51] reptilian_thrills and somehow that doesnt surprise me [10:51] schestowitz[TR] from the people who came up with it [10:51] schestowitz[TR] read the series [10:52] schestowitz[TR] serial plagiarists [10:52] reptilian_thrills im not sure what youre even trying to tell me right now [10:52] schestowitz[TR] i'll be back later then [10:52] schestowitz[TR] i saw "roy" [10:52] reptilian_thrills probably something im already aware of [10:52] schestowitz[TR] got highlight [10:52] reptilian_thrills yeah that was about mjg working for microsoft [10:53] reptilian_thrills i dont think he will [10:53] schestowitz[TR] want to make sure what you say with my name in it is at least truthful [10:53] reptilian_thrills not on the books at least [10:53] reptilian_thrills is at least truthful <- knowing what i was saying is a good first step [10:53] reptilian_thrills i was saying that its your schtick that hes going to go work for microsoft [10:53] mjg59_ But seriously I don't think Copilot is fundamentally an attack on free software [10:53] reptilian_thrills and i dont agree [10:53] reptilian_thrills thats the whole thing [10:54] reptilian_thrills i dont think he will go work for microsoft [10:54] schestowitz[TR] he doesn't need to [10:54] schestowitz[TR] he already works for microsoft [10:54] reptilian_thrills that may be true [10:54] schestowitz[TR] but on the salary of another company [10:54] schestowitz[TR] this is very common [10:54] schestowitz[TR] in unievrsities also [10:54] schestowitz[TR] the uni pays the salaryy [10:54] mjg59_ In an abstract sense, from a free software perspective we should be in favour of tools that make it easier for people to take existing ideas and turn them into free software [10:54] schestowitz[TR] but the person works against the uni [10:54] schestowitz[TR] and for smicrosoft [10:54] schestowitz[TR] and maybe later goes work for microsoft more directly [10:55] reptilian_thrills In an abstract sense <- this is too abstract, if you were a marxist you wouldnt do this [10:55] mjg59_ The problem is that any tool that makes it possible to take existing ideas and turn them into free software also makes it possible to take existing ideas and turn them into proprietary software [10:55] mjg59_ So should we argue that because it enables a bad thing, we should consider it to be bad? [10:55] reptilian_thrills because youre creating a very abstract formula and deciding what to do based on that [10:55] reptilian_thrills So should we argue that because it enables a bad thing, we should consider it to be bad? <- what you should do is look at the situation [10:55] mjg59_ Or is the tool itself neutral, and the problem is the existence of proprietary software? [10:55] reptilian_thrills and look at the big picture [10:55] reptilian_thrills and compare them [10:55] reptilian_thrills and decide what to do based on those. [10:56] reptilian_thrills instead youre creating an abstract formula and fitting your goals to an overgeneralisation [10:56] reptilian_thrills this looks like im complaining about your process [10:56] mjg59_ I have real trouble with the position of "This thing isn't inherently bad, but it could harm free software, so we should say it's bad" [10:56] reptilian_thrills but actually im complaining about the results and saying what leads to it [10:56] reptilian_thrills I have real trouble with the position of "This thing isn't inherently bad, but it could harm free software, so we should say it's bad" <- that too is an overgeneralisation that i think is foolish [10:56] mjg59_ And, like, what's the actual goal of free software [10:56] reptilian_thrills i mean on the part of free software [10:57] mjg59_ Is it the software itself, or is it the idea that knowledge should be freely owned [10:57] reptilian_thrills Is it the software itself, or is it the idea that knowledge should be freely owned <- i can give you my standard answer to this [10:57] reptilian_thrills the goals of free software are 1. for all software to be free 2. for users to control their computing [10:57] reptilian_thrills now, im sympathetic to free culture as a goal. ive been using free culture licenses religiously for like a decade [10:58] reptilian_thrills i wrote a RHETORICAL PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE to poke at stallmans line between software and culture-- which has SOME basis in copyright law/tradition but idgaf. [10:58] reptilian_thrills the fsf has never been fair to free culture [10:58] reptilian_thrills and cc sucks too [10:58] TR News "Copyright Management Services Ltd, a UK-based company that helped front the BitTorrent piracy lawsuit factory known as Guardaley" https://torrentfreak.com/piracy-lawsuit-front-company-tries-to-shut-down-accounts-overdue-221014/ | Source: Torrent Freak [10:58] TR Bot Lawsuit Front Company Tries to Shut Down, Accounts Overdue * TorrentFreak [10:58] TR News "Germany's Federal Court of Justice has clarified the conditions under which rightsholders can seek site-blocking orders to restrict access to piracy sites." https://torrentfreak.com/federal-court-of-justice-pirate-site-blocking-must-be-a-tool-of-last-resort-221014/ | Source: Torrent Freak [10:58] TR Bot Court of Justice: Pirate Site Blocking Must Be a Tool of Last Resort * TorrentFreak [10:58] reptilian_thrills cc is just a mountain of disappointment. and suck. [10:59] reptilian_thrills i adore lessig. [10:59] reptilian_thrills the apple falls very far from the tree [10:59] TR News "Back in the 1980s, the personal computer was a hip new thing, and the form this new technology would take was still up for debate." https://hackaday.com/2022/10/14/toteable-pc-is-inspired-by-macs-of-days-gone-by/ | Source: Hackaday [10:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 22.76 k/sec., IPFS upstream 76.16 average k/sec., average swarm size 37.81 [10:59] TR Bot PC Is Inspired By Macs Of Days Gone By | Hackaday [10:59] mjg59_ It's kind of a tragedy that the FSF and CC never got along [10:59] reptilian_thrills i actually stopped paying the fsf because i felt they were attacking free culture [10:59] mjg59_ Because I think a more coherent free knowledge movement would have worked better than separate free culture and free software movements [10:59] reptilian_thrills however, its never been one sided ● Oct 15 [11:00] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2020/10/31/rms-lessig-video-2001-san-francisco/ [11:00] TR Bot New Video Release by Marcia K. Wilbur: Richard Stallman (RMS) and Larry Lessig | Techrights [11:00] reptilian_thrills the two have been in the backseat screaming and pulling each others hair and kicking each other for 20 years of this fucking road trip [11:00] reptilian_thrills yeah lessig vs rms isnt the issue [11:00] reptilian_thrills its fsf vs cc, but cc sucks [11:00] schestowitz[TR] divide and rule [11:00] reptilian_thrills if cc was more like lessig, fsf would be the main problem [11:00] mjg59_ Ok, so let's take the Copilot technology, but apply it to literature [11:00] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2022/09/18/mark-j-wielaard-and-sourceware/ [11:00] TR Bot Splinter Group SFC (Already Sued by Moglen/SFLC) is Not Really Against Microsoft GitHub, It Helps IBM/Red Hat Outsource GNU to GitHub Using the Same Excuses Microsoft Used When Lobbying for Kernel.org to Move to Proprietary GitHub | Techrights [11:00] reptilian_thrills divide and rule <- thats not how the fsf sees it [11:01] reptilian_thrills mark-j-wielaard <- coup [11:01] reptilian_thrills but you know that [11:01] mjg59_ I mean, Dall-E is basically Copilot but for graphical art [11:01] reptilian_thrills and-sourcewar <- ibm gcc [11:01] schestowitz[TR] ito was left in charge of cc [11:01] reptilian_thrills I mean, Dall-E is basically Copilot but for graphical ar <- i made this point about stable diffusion recently [11:01] schestowitz[TR] he then helped mit net money from gates/epstein [11:01] schestowitz[TR] so ito was no lessig [11:01] mjg59_ So do we treat those technologies the same way as Copilot? If not, why? [11:02] schestowitz[TR] he apprarently saw nothing wrong with sex trafficking and microsoft passing bribes [11:02] reptilian_thrills i mean there are a few ways i can poke at your generalisation [11:02] reptilian_thrills id need time to pick one and im not sure how much they all matter [11:02] mjg59_ I would genuinely love you to [11:02] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2020/05/27/joi-ito-email/ [11:02] TR Bot Joi Ito Already Admitted on the Record That Bill Gates Had Paid MIT Through Jeffrey Epstein | Techrights [11:02] reptilian_thrills okay, for one, we could lean on the distinction between software and other works-- which i TOTALLY think stallman overplays, and he shouldnt [11:03] mjg59_ Because my gut feeling is that these are the same things, and they say something about creativity, and socially we have different ideas about the creativity in graphical art and the creativity in software [11:03] reptilian_thrills but making it into nothing at all is probably a mistake too [11:03] reptilian_thrills these are the same things <- im not sure theyre the same thing [11:03] reptilian_thrills in copyright theyre not [11:03] *yuhong (~yuhong@8bhg8w55itquy.irc) has joined #techrights [11:03] reptilian_thrills in otehr ways theyre not [11:03] reptilian_thrills stallman was always good at drawing the line between them [11:03] reptilian_thrills i just think he made (way) too much of it [11:03] schestowitz[TR] here comes the microsoft troll [11:03] reptilian_thrills im not saying theres no line at all [11:03] mjg59_ Can I just say that when Roy asks me why I'm here, it's because this is the sort of conversation I want to have [11:04] reptilian_thrills i mean he gives you the perfect excuse anyway [11:04] reptilian_thrills he never stfu about you [11:04] reptilian_thrills you two didnt date in uni? [11:04] yuhong I wonder would Shane support a transition to SSD based search engines. [11:04] schestowitz[TR] yuhong: wtf? [11:04] schestowitz[TR] shane has not been involved since 2007 [11:04] reptilian_thrills i think he meant hypothetically [11:04] schestowitz[TR] and you keep bringing up things from 15 years ago like his google ads [11:04] reptilian_thrills or rhetorically [11:04] schestowitz[TR] yuhong: grow up [11:05] reptilian_thrills maybe yuhong is interested in the history of techrights [11:05] mjg59_ Roy was all busy lifting and I was too busy hanging out with women [11:05] mjg59_ Not a lot of opportunity for us to hook up [11:05] schestowitz[TR] reptilian_thrills: no, he is trolling for microsoft [11:05] schestowitz[TR] like claiming we have google ads [11:05] mjg59_ He seems pretty monogomous, anyway [11:05] schestowitz[TR] they existed in 2006 [11:05] schestowitz[TR] not my choise, either [11:05] reptilian_thrills yeah i think hes half-amish [11:05] schestowitz[TR] *choice [11:05] reptilian_thrills in every conceivable way [11:06] reptilian_thrills probably on his fathers side [11:06] schestowitz[TR] techusers is like this too [11:06] yuhong Since 2007? [11:06] reptilian_thrills 2006 [11:06] reptilian_thrills oh different question [11:06] yuhong I believe that you had Google ads for years. [11:07] mjg59_ But anyway, "AI" generated content [11:07] reptilian_thrills I believe that you had Google ads for years. <- what would the point of that be [11:07] mjg59_ I think the arguments from graphical artists have been more coherent than those from software developers [11:07] reptilian_thrills also the internet archive should make it clear whether their were google ads or not [11:07] schestowitz[TR] the microsofters love to bring that up [11:07] reptilian_thrills have been more coherent <- copyright works differently for images and software. [11:08] mjg59_ I think the most powerful argument from the art side is "What does 'in the style of' mean" [11:08] schestowitz[TR] like de icaza did in 2007 [11:08] reptilian_thrills how copyright is/isnt weaked (it stands to reason) should be different as well [11:08] mjg59_ I think framing the discussion in terms of copyright is a problem [11:08] schestowitz[TR] it's the "you're doing it for profit" FUD [11:08] schestowitz[TR] I didn't even have access to that gulag account [11:08] reptilian_thrills in terms of copyright is a proble <- its unavoidable [11:08] schestowitz[TR] that was shane's [11:08] mjg59_ Given that my position is basically "Fuck copyright" [11:08] reptilian_thrills i mean, you are very insistent on framing this in a way that ignores every problem brought up [11:09] reptilian_thrills and focuses on how it might be aweseom [11:09] reptilian_thrills open source has done that forever [11:09] mjg59_ Hrm let me try to rephrase this [11:09] reptilian_thrills but what if its REALLY COOL THO [11:09] reptilian_thrills i mean thats great if its really cool-- but [11:09] mjg59_ If we view this argument through the lens of copyright we solidify existing beliefs about what copyright should be [11:09] reptilian_thrills imo we should weight the pros AND the cons [11:09] reptilian_thrills not the pros OR the cons [11:09] TR News "Despite efforts to curb insider trading, the practice has been rampant within the US government on both sides of the aisle" https://scheerpost.com/2022/10/14/the-scandal-of-congressional-stock-trading/ | Source: Scheerpost [11:09] TR Bot Scandal of Congressional Stock Trading - scheerpost.com [11:09] mjg59_ And maybe existing copyright law is actually bad [11:09] reptilian_thrills If we view this argument through the lens of copyright we solidify existing beliefs <- well no [11:09] yuhong I am targeting Shane and not schestowitz anyway. [11:10] reptilian_thrills again, if you were a marxist youd know more about transitioning things [11:10] schestowitz[TR] so you're being an s-shole [11:10] schestowitz[TR] attacking a deaf person 15 years after he moved on to fcus on family [11:10] reptilian_thrills i mean an-coms are very much [11:10] reptilian_thrills smash now, rebuild later [11:10] mjg59_ yuhong: I've repeatedly tried to block you from commenting on my blog because almost everything you say has no relevance to whatever was written and I honestly can't believe that I'm saying this *here* but you're adding nothing [11:10] reptilian_thrills marxists dismantle things like they want to put it back together in a way that works. [11:11] reptilian_thrills you just want to smash copyright. this argument is sloppy as hell but i think it cuts right to the heart of the matter [11:11] reptilian_thrills im happy to see copyright disappear [11:11] reptilian_thrills but i dont necessarily think ANY OF THIS is going to help make copyright disappear [11:11] reptilian_thrills its going to affect copyleft faster than it affects copyright [11:11] mjg59_ Yeah I don't think this makes copyright disappear at all [11:12] reptilian_thrills and its going to help corporations more than it helps free sw [11:12] reptilian_thrills but then again [11:12] reptilian_thrills free sw is dead so [11:12] mjg59_ But it's about trying to remain consistent with what I believe copyright should protect [11:12] reptilian_thrills we are basically coming up with a plan to not piss off the beothuk tribe, which no longer exists [11:12] reptilian_thrills everything is open source and open source LOVES this shit [11:12] reptilian_thrills so rah rah rah copilot yay [11:12] mjg59_ And if the argument is that we need strong copyright to protect free software then I think we've lost at some other level [11:12] schestowitz[TR] no copyrights -> you can lieft all source code of proprietary software [11:12] schestowitz[TR] everything becomes public domain [11:13] schestowitz[TR] and code reuse is a natural condition [11:13] reptilian_thrills i mean your argument-- forgive me for saying so-- is pretty much word for word what julia reda wrote years ago [11:13] schestowitz[TR] sort of like 50 years ago I think [11:13] reptilian_thrills and i know what you did (im not implying anything Personal or intimate here) with julia reda [11:13] reptilian_thrills so [11:13] reptilian_thrills not that it necessarily changes any of this [11:13] reptilian_thrills but... [11:13] reptilian_thrills id feel remiss if i didnt even mention this [11:13] TR News Europol and Interpol spying https://digit.site36.net/2022/10/14/connecting-europol-and-interpol-eu-provides-more-surveillance-in-libya/ | Source: Site36 [11:13] TR Bot Connecting Europol and Interpol: EU provides more surveillance in Libya Security Architectures in the EU [11:14] mjg59_ reptilian_thrills: Felix Reda now, I believe [11:14] TR News Medicine Dosing Spoon Discontinued https://hackaday.com/2022/10/14/medicine-dosing-spoon-discontinued-made-3d-printable-instead/ | Source: Hackaday [11:14] TR Bot Dosing Spoon Discontinued, Made 3D Printable Instead | Hackaday [11:14] mjg59_ But I don't think I've ever communicated with him [11:14] reptilian_thrills Felix Reda <- this is literally the first ive heard of this [11:15] schestowitz[TR] Reda= anti-rms [11:15] reptilian_thrills the first ive hear <- not even a hint or a whisper or a rumour or an inkling [11:15] schestowitz[TR] maybe pressing reset [11:15] reptilian_thrills id say im shocked but i have no reason to be, and im really not [11:15] schestowitz[TR] after some bad press [11:16] reptilian_thrills maybe pressing reset <- this is mildly transphobic [11:16] mjg59_ https://www.buzzfeed.de/recherchen/exklusiv-der-ehemalige-eu-abgeordnete-und-digitalexperte-felix-reda-senficon-outet-sich-als-trans-zr-91261007.html [11:16] TR Bot Exklusiv: Ehemaliger EU-Abgeordneter Felix Reda outet sich als trans [11:16] reptilian_thrills most people dont become trans to "press reset" [11:16] schestowitz[TR] reptilian_thrills: no, it does happen [11:16] mjg59_ [11:16] schestowitz[TR] name changes in general [11:16] mjg59_ wtf [11:16] schestowitz[TR] no wtf [11:16] yuhong Interestingly http://www.edu-nix.org/ seems dead now too. [11:16] TR Bot ( status 404 @ http://www.edu-nix.org/ ) [11:16] schestowitz[TR] fact [11:16] schestowitz[TR] not convenient to some [11:16] schestowitz[TR] but always applicable [11:17] mjg59_ People transition to avoid their history [11:17] mjg59_ While retaining family names [11:17] schestowitz[TR] there are high-profile examples [11:17] mjg59_ And doing so in a way that leaves a clear link between them [11:17] schestowitz[TR] m,ental breakdowns [11:17] schestowitz[TR] and then name change [11:17] schestowitz[TR] to start afresh [11:17] schestowitz[TR] many examples [11:17] mjg59_ Many examples of people transitioning for that purpose? [11:17] schestowitz[TR] or after some misconduct [11:17] mjg59_ Name one [11:17] schestowitz[TR] that's why states try to chain and link name changes [11:18] TR News "Well, there is, kinda. Its called the Stock Act and passed in 2012. It allows stock trading, so long as the politicos eschew insider information." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/14/the-scandal-of-congressional-stock-trading/ | Source: Counter Punch [11:18] TR Bot Scandal of Congressional Stock Trading - CounterPunch.org [11:18] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [11:18] schestowitz[TR] annie machon's partner [11:18] mjg59_ Give one example of someone transitioning to escape their history [11:18] reptilian_thrills blacks actually commit crimes. we have records. [11:18] reptilian_thrills if every time someone mentions blacks i said "maybe hes a criminal" [11:18] reptilian_thrills it would be pretty racist [11:19] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: Annie Machon's parter transitioned? [11:19] schestowitz[TR] yes [11:19] schestowitz[TR] I spoke to her about it [11:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [11:20] mjg59_ And did so to avoid her history? [11:20] schestowitz[TR] but that was back in the days when according to you you were saying "transphobic shit" [11:20] schestowitz[TR] (I did not) [11:20] yuhong https://www.shanecoyle.com/ still seems to be alive. [11:20] TR Bot Citizen Shane [11:20] TR News "When the COVID-19 pandemic hit, it became clear that organizers would have to pull the plug on any large social events they had planned." https://hackaday.com/2022/10/14/errf-22-after-two-years-back-and-better-than-ever/ | Source: Hackaday [11:20] TR Bot 22: After Two Years, Back And Better Than Ever | Hackaday [11:21] reptilian_thrills yuhong why are you so interested in 15-year-old techrights? [11:21] reptilian_thrills there "has to" be a reason [11:21] reptilian_thrills /me is interested in techrights history too [11:21] mjg59_ reptilian_thrills: Yuhong makes basically no sense at all [11:21] reptilian_thrills did you read boycott novell? [11:21] schestowitz[TR] lol, yuhong thinks there's only one person for each name [11:22] reptilian_thrills reptilian_thrills: Yuhong makes basically no sense at all <- thats been my impression too, but im still fuzzing atm [11:22] yuhong They had the Google ads for years. Do you remember when the ads were removed? [11:22] schestowitz[TR] that's like thinking a Nguyen is just one family [11:22] reptilian_thrills Do you remember when the ads were removed? <- you can just go to the front page in the internet archive and see for yourself [11:23] reptilian_thrills i have no idea when the ads were there/removed [11:23] mjg59_ Anyway, the argument that people transition in order to avoid their past is ridiculous [11:23] mjg59_ Roy's provided no evidence to support that claim [11:23] schestowitz[TR] that's not what I even said, transphobe [11:23] reptilian_thrills ridiculous <- and sort of implies (even if not deliberately) that its just some kind of clever disguise [11:23] reptilian_thrills that's not what I even said <- what you said does imply some of these things. [11:24] mjg59_ And I don't think there's any plausible suggestion that Felix Reda is trying to avoid his past [11:24] reptilian_thrills unless you were WILDLY misunderstood [11:24] schestowitz[TR] even before trans was a thing people changed names to avoid association with crimes [11:24] schestowitz[TR] or other unwanted things [11:24] schestowitz[TR] nothing to do with gender [11:24] reptilian_thrills even before trans was a thing people changed names to avoid association with crimes <- right so [11:24] schestowitz[TR] but about names [11:24] mjg59_ 11:15 < schestowitz[TR]> maybe pressing reset [11:24] schestowitz[TR] people also change surnames for this reason sometimes [11:24] reptilian_thrills nothing to do with gender <- exactly the point mjg is making [11:24] schestowitz[TR] like after divorces [11:24] schestowitz[TR] even some relatives of mine [11:24] reptilian_thrills you apparently are conflating name changes with gender transitioning [11:25] mjg59_ Roy, you understand that transitioning is not just a matter of changing names, right [11:25] schestowitz[TR] many people change nams [11:25] reptilian_thrills changing your name is easy [11:25] schestowitz[TR] few of those are trans [11:25] schestowitz[TR] *names [11:25] schestowitz[TR] but you live ina microcosm [11:25] schestowitz[TR] of the people you've long mocked, mjg59_ [11:25] reptilian_thrills eli5 is no good, you have to explain like hes 2. [11:25] schestowitz[TR] so you hear name change and think of sex change [11:25] schestowitz[TR] that says a lot about you [11:25] schestowitz[TR] not about me [11:25] mjg59_ We are talking about someone who transitioned and changed his name as a result of that transition [11:26] schestowitz[TR] let us see how many people in the Uk change a name per year? [11:26] schestowitz[TR] I reckon abotu a million [11:26] schestowitz[TR] rianne changed her name [11:26] mjg59_ Implying that he changed his name to "press reset" is not appropriate [11:26] schestowitz[TR] and had to send documents around to do this [11:26] schestowitz[TR] liekly; a million people a year change name [11:26] schestowitz[TR] in the UK alone [11:26] mjg59_ Cool what the fuck does that have to do with this specific case [11:26] schestowitz[TR] most due to marriages and divorces, I'd guess [11:26] reptilian_thrills you can tell roy hes conflaing the gender transition with the name change but he wont get it [11:26] schestowitz[TR] anyway, I'm out [11:26] schestowitz[TR] this is a waste of time [11:26] schestowitz[TR] and trolling [11:27] mjg59_ Bye, transphobe [11:27] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2022/09/30/matthew-garrett-transphobic/ [11:27] TR Bot Matthew Garrett Admits Being a Transphobic Adult Before Choosing to Weaponise This to Defame and Then Cancel People Who Arent Transphobic | Techrights [11:27] schestowitz[TR] talk to the mirror [11:27] reptilian_thrills anyway, ive never heard of felix reda before today [11:27] mjg59_ Yeah roy the thing is that I am not the person I was 20 years ago [11:28] mjg59_ Given the opportunity to go back in time and slap the shit out of myself I'd do so [11:28] schestowitz[TR] good, so maybe in 20 years you'll grow pubes [11:28] reptilian_thrills good, so maybe in 20 years you'll grow pubes <- random af [11:28] schestowitz[TR] but then bill agtes won't want you [11:28] schestowitz[TR] nor graveley [11:28] reptilian_thrills ah, the connection [11:28] mjg59_ But I'm not the person I was 20 years ago [11:28] *yuhong has quit (Quit: Leaving) [11:28] schestowitz[TR] who says men are disgusting when their body grows hair [11:28] mjg59_ And I reject many things I said and did then [11:28] mjg59_ And I can explain why those things were wrong [11:29] schestowitz[TR] which makes one wonder about him being a kid lust cookoohead [11:29] reptilian_thrills roy is the only person i know that gives a shit who you were 20 years ago [11:29] schestowitz[TR] bbll [11:29] schestowitz[TR] posting Daily Links now [11:29] mjg59_ Because over the course of my life I have learned a lot, and now I try to help encourage people not to be who I was 20 years ago [11:30] reptilian_thrills /me tries to meet 60yo mjg and get him to slap 40yo mjg [11:30] mjg59_ And if more people had been doing that 20 years ago, maybe I'd have learned faster [11:30] mjg59_ Oh man I am honestly fascinated to learn who 60yo me is going to be [11:30] mjg59_ I'd *love* to know what I'm going to learn in the next couple of decades [11:31] mjg59_ Maybe I'll finally grow pubes [11:31] reptilian_thrills so would i [11:31] reptilian_thrills Maybe I'll finally grow pubes <- lol, you just have to push [11:31] reptilian_thrills and then for gods sake, change your name [11:31] reptilian_thrills because thats how its done [11:32] mjg59_ Yeah, better cope out as a woman and deal with all the social bullshit that will follow than deal with my history up until that point [11:32] mjg59_ Er, "come out", not "cope out" [11:33] mjg59_ Anyway sorry that got super derailed you were making a good point and then I pointed out that you were understandably confused about someone's gender and then roy happened [11:33] TR News (NEW): FUD and Openwashing http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/FUD_and_Openwashing.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/FUD_and_Openwashing.gmi [11:33] TR Bot Tux Machines FUD and Openwashing [11:33] reptilian_thrills anyway, next time i meet someone whos trans ill be sure to ask them what theyre running from [11:33] TR News (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Programming_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Programming_Leftovers.gmi [11:33] TR Bot Tux Machines Programming Leftovers [11:33] schestowitz[TR] And if more people had been doing that 20 years ago, maybe I'd have learned faster [11:34] schestowitz[TR] explain it to your partner [11:34] schestowitz[TR] not to me [11:34] reptilian_thrills that got super derailed you were making a good point and then I pointed out that you were understandably confused about someone's gender and then roy happened <- just another day in #techrights [11:34] schestowitz[TR] 20 years ago was not much different [11:34] reptilian_thrills its good to know about felix anyway [11:34] schestowitz[TR] and even in 2022 we have gays here and starstreak says in canada also doing "LGB drop the T" protests [11:34] mjg59_ My partner seems pretty ok with understanding that who I am now isn't who I was 20 years ago? [11:34] schestowitz[TR] like dfc basically [11:35] mjg59_ Weird that you spend more time complaining about me being transphobic 20 years ago than you do about dfc being transphobic now [11:35] schestowitz[TR] we don't ban [11:35] reptilian_thrills Weird that you spend more time complaining about me being transphobic 20 years ago than you do about dfc being transphobic now <- i can explain it, but its stupid anyway [11:36] schestowitz[TR] not everything posted here is endorsed by anyone else [11:36] mjg59_ But you write posts about me being transphobic 20 years ago, without mentioning dfc being transphobic now [11:36] schestowitz[TR] and now there is a person here called "whitenigga" [11:36] schestowitz[TR] I don't endorse that [11:36] mjg59_ Cool [11:36] schestowitz[TR] and we don't police nicknames like xbox (miocrosoft) does [11:36] mjg59_ That's certainly a choice you can make [11:36] whitenigga hello :D [11:36] mjg59_ You can allow racism and transphobia to exist in your community [11:37] mjg59_ Or you can do something about that [11:37] schestowitz[TR] sigh [11:37] mjg59_ Up to you! [11:37] mjg59_ Also up to other people to judge you based on that [11:38] whitenigga yo dawg [11:38] mjg59_ Anyway I'd love to get back to discussing how copyright law intersects with the goals of free software [11:38] whitenigga im black but im albino [11:38] whitenigga so im literally a whitenigga [11:39] schestowitz[TR] you are not antitransphobia enforcer [11:39] reptilian_thrills I'd love to get back to discussing how copyright law intersects with the goals of free software <- i think (felix) redas take on it is a mistake [11:39] schestowitz[TR] no more than kkk whom "saw the light" speak for tolerance [11:39] reptilian_thrills i did at the time, and i do now [11:39] reptilian_thrills of course i can appreciate the logic [11:39] reptilian_thrills but i think its overgeneralising thigns that are sometimes different [11:40] reptilian_thrills and the real test for whether its different or not-- is practice [11:40] reptilian_thrills whether its different in practice [11:40] reptilian_thrills so if we could fast forward to see where this goes, and it goes fine-- then theres no problem obviously [11:40] reptilian_thrills i think if we fast forward we see bigger gains for microsoft and not much impact on copyright in general [11:40] mjg59_ I don't disagree with that argument, but the thing I'd question is how much of the difference in practice is down to fundamental differences and how much is down to how we socially distinguish between things [11:41] reptilian_thrills this will affect copyright-- for microsoft and other big companies [11:41] reptilian_thrills and how much is down to how we socially distinguish between thing <- generally speaking, id say all of stallmans points about the distinction are valid, just exaggerated [11:41] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_ is the Robert Byrd of the trans community [11:41] reptilian_thrills /me tries to think who robert byrd is [11:41] mjg59_ If we taught kids how to look at existing software and copy it in their own style, in the same way we teach them to look at art and copy it in their own style, would that change things? [11:42] reptilian_thrills If we taught kids how to look at existing software and copy it in their own style, in the same way we teach them to look at art and copy it in their own style, would that change things? <- you move very fast [11:42] reptilian_thrills i used to have a book [11:42] reptilian_thrills that said plagiarism was more common and not such a big deal [11:42] reptilian_thrills until commercial publishing (and the printing press) got going [11:43] mjg59_ I'd prefer to frame it as "Let's skip the dull bits and get to the interesting question" [11:43] reptilian_thrills before that, people stole each others words ideas everything no problem [11:43] reptilian_thrills similarly, copyright has about 0 bearing on non-commerical copies for most of its existence [11:43] reptilian_thrills and you could even hand-copy a whole book and charge a fee, because you werent "a publisher" [11:43] reptilian_thrills but once you got into "publishing" you had to follow copyright law [11:44] mjg59_ And this is actually one of my problems with Doctorow - he writes things complaining about people subverting one aspect of "IP" law, but uses the same law to prevent a range of re-uses of his work [11:44] reptilian_thrills "Let's skip the dull bits and get to the interesting question <- the thing is, thats naivete as a strategy [11:44] reptilian_thrills i mean you want to go somewhere then figure out where we are going after-- or not at all [11:44] mjg59_ (Which was kind of a problem when I ended up hanging out with him a couple of weeks ago) [11:44] reptilian_thrills in terms of strategy (in general) thats the opposite of what you should do [11:45] reptilian_thrills he writes things complaining about people subverting one aspect of "IP" law, but uses the same law to prevent a range of re-uses of his work <- yeah [11:45] reptilian_thrills ive read and bought several of his books [11:45] reptilian_thrills but ive pretty much given up on him [11:45] reptilian_thrills i liked makers a lot [11:46] reptilian_thrills i started reasing information doesnt want to be free [11:46] reptilian_thrills i loved him in rip a remix manifesto [11:46] reptilian_thrills the "boring details" of this are the ones that really tell us what we need to know imo [11:46] reptilian_thrills not because they necessarily go my way or your way [11:47] reptilian_thrills but because they let us figure out where we are going with some actual knowledge [11:47] reptilian_thrills you really just want to move, imo [11:47] reptilian_thrills and i dont want copyright either [11:47] reptilian_thrills but relaxing it for microsoft doesnt really need to result in any gains for the rest of us [11:48] reptilian_thrills just like increasing taxes for the poor doesnt make the rich pay for things we need [11:48] mjg59_ I think the idea that we're relaxing it for Microsoft is the key point here [11:48] mjg59_ If we did the same, would that change its character? [11:48] TR News (NEW): Galician Region publishes Good Practices for Releasing Open Source http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Galician_Region_publishes_Good_Practices_for_Releasing_Open_Sou.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Galician_Region_publishes_Good_Practices_for_Releasing_Open_Sou.gmi [11:48] TR Bot Tux Machines Galician Region publishes Good Practices for Releasing Open Source [11:48] TR News (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/today_s_leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/today_s_leftovers.gmi [11:48] TR Bot Tux Machines today's leftovers [11:48] reptilian_thrills youre not going to convince the copyleft die-hards even then [11:49] mjg59_ Say we convinced Microsoft to allow us to train a free software model on the Github corpus (and yes I don't think they would, this is a thought experiment) [11:49] reptilian_thrills and i realise that doesnt mean we shouldnt change things [11:49] mjg59_ Would that be qualitatively different to Microsoft owning the only example of such a model [11:49] reptilian_thrills imo copyleft is not a good enough reason to keep copyright [11:49] mjg59_ Or would it be an equal threat to free software [11:50] reptilian_thrills before software became copyrightable [11:50] reptilian_thrills because it wasnt, in the states [11:50] reptilian_thrills companies just used ndas instead [11:50] schestowitz[TR] /me tries to think who robert byrd is [11:50] schestowitz[TR] former KKK [11:50] reptilian_thrills thanks [11:51] reptilian_thrills if im going to compare mjg to robert byrd i might as well go full godwin imo [11:51] schestowitz[TR] for political reasons he stopped the "kkk shit" [11:51] reptilian_thrills oh, now i see the nuance [11:52] reptilian_thrills former kkk [11:52] schestowitz[TR] kanye west is reverse byrd [11:52] schestowitz[TR] started with "george bush dones'\t care about black people" [11:52] schestowitz[TR] now sides with neonazi rhetorics [11:52] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: Is your argument that if someone has ever done something bad, it's impossible for them to understand that and change? [11:52] schestowitz[TR] don't gloat [11:52] reptilian_thrills , it's impossible for them to understand that and change? <- projection [11:52] schestowitz[TR] you're no role model [11:52] mjg59_ I'm clearly no role model [11:53] schestowitz[TR] rms has at least been quite tolerant for almost 70 years [11:53] mjg59_ rms refused to use the correct pronouns to refer to my partner [11:53] schestowitz[TR] sorry to hear that [11:53] mjg59_ Cool [11:53] TR News Links 15/10/2022: Wine 7.19 and This Week in GNOME/KDE | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/10/15/wine-7-19/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/15/wine-7-19/ [11:53] TR Bot Links 15/10/2022: Wine 7.19 and This Week in GNOME/KDE | Techrights [11:54] reptilian_thrills the thing is, if you dont have anything you can tell the copyleft die-hards [11:54] mjg59_ And maybe 20 years ago I would also have failed to, but since then I've realised I was wrong in that respect [11:54] reptilian_thrills theyre just going to fight you every step of the way [11:54] reptilian_thrills which you wont care about, but theyll also fight everyone else who supports getting rid of copyright [11:54] reptilian_thrills and they already do [11:55] mjg59_ Yeah I think the distinction is really between whether copyleft is a tactical thing or whether copyleft is a strategic thing [11:55] reptilian_thrills it may seem beside the point-- i dont think it is, but [11:55] reptilian_thrills if we had a coheerent (functioning) freesw movement [11:55] mjg59_ And I think some die-hard copyleftists have ended up defending copyleft to a point that they've ended up defending copyright even if that wasn't where they started [11:55] reptilian_thrills and a functioning free culture movement [11:55] reptilian_thrills we wouldnt need to have this debate [11:56] reptilian_thrills they would all be behind if if it were workable [11:56] mjg59_ This has been incredibly helpful in understanding where a bunch of the pushback comes from, thank you [11:56] reptilian_thrills but because we have neither, they will fight this even if its workable (i not sure it is) [11:56] reptilian_thrills some die-hard copyleftists have ended up defending copyleft to a point that they've ended up defending copyright even if that wasn't where they started <- no question and ive been bitching about THIS VERY THING for years now [11:56] reptilian_thrills technically stallman is for reducing terms [11:57] TR News "During the talk there were a few connection problems which were eventually fixed. The published recording is complete and contains all of the actual speech that got through." http://audio-video.gnu.org/video/#2021 [11:57] TR Bot Audio/Video - GNU Project - Free-Software Foundation [11:57] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [11:57] reptilian_thrills but copyright is more likely to be abolished [11:57] reptilian_thrills i mean its all well and good to say "in a perfect world" and he does [11:58] reptilian_thrills but sometimes he says "in this world" when its about free software [11:58] mjg59_ Oh wait this is actually a perfect example of horseshoe theory [11:58] reptilian_thrills what if its about copyright? then you never know what hes going to say [11:58] mjg59_ Copyleft maximalists becoming copyright maximalists [11:58] reptilian_thrills Copyleft maximalists becoming copyright maximalists <- heh [11:58] reptilian_thrills i think its just political failure [11:59] reptilian_thrills i dont know anyone who takes horseshoe theory seriously. its funny at parties but doesnt explain that much [11:59] TR News Taiwan reports 77 COVID-19 deaths, second worst after Russia. Only a crazy one thinks it makes sense that China reports 5,226 total deaths, whereas Taiwan alone has twice as many dead (in total). The West used to praise Taiwan's response... for POLITICAL reasons. ● Oct 15 [12:01] TR News The number of new asymptomatic cases, which China counts separately, were 1,003 http://www.nhc.gov.cn/xcs/yqtb/202210/4cae2dec1b394c5e8077b95bac3bdf1c.shtml really? Just 1,000? How many got tested? [12:01] TR Bot NO TITLE [12:02] TR News On a weekly basis the UK has about a million asymptomatic COVID-19 cases, according to KCL/UCL studies [12:02] reptilian_thrills the marxist version of horseshoe theory seems to be "historical dialectics" and at least marxists take that seriously [12:02] reptilian_thrills but theres definitely a nuance [12:03] schestowitz[TR] coipyleft and copyuright not the same [12:03] schestowitz[TR] copyleft is about maximising sharing [12:03] schestowitz[TR] copyright maximalists are the opposite [12:03] schestowitz[TR] one strives for scarcity [12:03] mjg59_ Roy copyleft literally doesn't exist without copyright [12:03] reptilian_thrills copyleft is about maximising sharing <- in theory [12:03] mjg59_ Learn to fucking nuance [12:03] mjg59_ The stronger copyright is, the stronger copyleft is [12:03] schestowitz[TR] learn manners [12:04] mjg59_ I'll respect you when you respect me [12:04] schestowitz[TR] go back to acpiu work [12:04] mjg59_ Not a lot to do there, it works now [12:04] reptilian_thrills he likes your acpi work [12:04] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2008/07/25/foxconn-bios-acpi/ [12:04] TR Bot Microsofts Dirty ACPI Secrets: Its Back! (Updated) | Techrights [12:04] schestowitz[TR] https://www.osnews.com/story/17689/bill-gates-on-making-acpi-not-work-with-linux/ [12:04] TR Bot Gates on Making ACPI Not Work with Linux OSnews [12:04] reptilian_thrills i want to tease him that you were transphobic back then but i think hes got that covered [12:05] mjg59_ Yeah uh you realise that the whole foxconn thing was ryan being wrong [12:05] reptilian_thrills how was he wrong about foxconn-- im more itnerested about foxconn than even ryan being wrong [12:05] mjg59_ It was a combination of their BIOS not matching the spec and Linux not matching the spec and the combination breaking [12:06] mjg59_ It was nothing to do with their firmware deliberately breaking Linux [12:06] mjg59_ They'd just literally never tested it [12:06] reptilian_thrills oops [12:06] mjg59_ They fixed their firmware, I fixed Linux [12:06] TR News Pace of growth of debt in large EU/UK/American economies compared https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/10/14/national-public-debt-curves-compared-uk-vs-france-germany-italy-and-us/ [12:07] TR Bot Blog Archive National (Public) Debt Curves Compared: UK vs France, Germany, Italy, and US [12:07] mjg59_ So new firmware worked with old Linux, new Linux worked with old firmware [12:07] mjg59_ I still have that motherboard somewhere [12:07] mjg59_ (Foxconn sent me one to fix it) [12:08] mjg59_ Ryan responded to this by using a web service to sign me up to several hundred mailing lists [12:08] reptilian_thrills lol [12:08] reptilian_thrills now i understand how this all ties together [12:08] TR News US: where a company that makes LOSSES can CLAIM to be worth TRILLIONS [12:09] mjg59_ Which I tracked back to a teenager in Canda who was running the website off his cable modem connection because some people he knew on IRC had convinced him it'd be cool [12:09] mjg59_ I threatened to call his parents and he handed over the IP logs [12:09] starstreak lol [12:09] mjg59_ And it matched Ryan's IRC IP [12:10] mjg59_ (this was 2008, so most ircds still showed the actual hostname or IP) [12:10] starstreak thats why daemonfc hates you? [12:10] mjg59_ I found the kid's email address because he'd advertised the quake server he was running on a forum, and his username was tied to an email address [12:11] reptilian_thrills no, dfc hates him because hes black and likes people who are trans [12:11] reptilian_thrills (technically hes irish but thats even worse) [12:11] mjg59_ I'm actually about as white as it's possible to be without being albino, but [12:12] reptilian_thrills yeah but who ever heard of "irish privilege" [12:12] mjg59_ Anyway yeah Ryan hates me because I made him look bad in 2008 [12:14] mjg59_ Oh ha yeah I forgot that Ryan then signed *himself* up with the spam service to pretend he was also attacked, but did so with a gmail address that wasn't the one he was using [12:14] mjg59_ And then when he blogged about how he was also a victim, he deleted the comment where I pointed that out [12:14] mjg59_ https://mjg59.livejournal.com/97535.html [12:14] TR Bot What amuses me about complaints about censorship is that they often: mjg59 LiveJournal [12:15] reptilian_thrills this channel is like every scene of b5 with gkar and londo, except on the set of days of our lives [12:15] mjg59_ I wouldn't actually hold a grudge about that except he still denies it [12:17] mjg59_ I mean maybe this is all about Ryan actually wanting to fuck me? It doesn't seem like that, though [12:17] reptilian_thrills i dont think your his type [12:17] reptilian_thrills e [12:17] mjg59_ Yeah I don't get that impression [12:17] mjg59_ It's not an unrequited lust situation [12:17] reptilian_thrills i did join as ship_roy_and_mjg though [12:18] mjg59_ Awh he fell off so he's not going to see this and respond [12:18] reptilian_thrills because the tension is ridiculous! [12:18] reptilian_thrills even the golden gate bridge is like "damn!" [12:18] mjg59_ I do understand the perception there [12:19] TR News "When there is a version upgrade, the 'init' script in the initrd creates a snapshot of the /mnt/wkg/.session folder as a 'rw-*.sfs' file. For example, when upgraded to Easy 4.4.1, /mnt/wkg/releases/easy-4.4.1/rw-4.4.1.sfs got created." https://bkhome.org/news/202210/cache-folders-excluded-from-snapshots.html [12:19] reptilian_thrills however, i dont think you have any "misplaced" feelings for roy [12:19] TR Bot Cache folders excluded from snapshots [12:19] reptilian_thrills as for roy, i mean hes one giant mystery, cant tell you what he really thinks [12:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [12:22] TR News This patch was FAST https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/166581519416722@kroah.com/ [12:22] TR Bot Linux 6.0.2 - Greg Kroah-Hartman [12:22] mjg59_ I can certainly attest to having no romantic or sexual feelings for roy [12:23] schestowitz[TR] reptilian_thrills: it's purely about 'secure boot' originally [12:23] schestowitz[TR] then, years later, the attacks on LT and then RMS [12:23] mjg59_ Oh wow I'd forgotten that Ryan explicitly accused me of signing him up for Spamza [12:23] reptilian_thrills and poor mr tso [12:24] reptilian_thrills who seems alright to me [12:26] mjg59_ I think he was brutally wrong on one particular point, and I make no claim about that affecting any other aspect of his communication or behaviour [12:26] mjg59_ Also haha https://mjg59.livejournal.com/96848.html [12:26] TR Bot To the lovely person who subscribed me to around 200 mailing lists: mjg59 LiveJournal [12:27] TR News (NEW): Linux Fixes WLAN Flaw http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Linux_Fixes_WLAN_Flaw.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Linux_Fixes_WLAN_Flaw.gmi [12:27] TR Bot Tux Machines Linux Fixes WLAN Flaw [12:27] schestowitz[TR] oooh, the cards have arrived with new PIN codes [12:27] schestowitz[TR] on monday we'll carry about 2k pounds in coins/loose change [12:27] mjg59_ Awh the forum post isn't on the internet archive [12:28] schestowitz[TR] like going to the arcade [12:29] TR News "Trekarta is released as an open source Libre project under the GPL-3.0 License." https://medevel.com/trekarta/ [12:29] TR Bot Trekarta Is an Open Source App for Hiking, Cycling, and Off-road Activities [12:29] TR News delete chromeos and install GNU/Linux https://www.addictivetips.com/chromebook/how-to-use-alternate-browsers-on-your-chromebook/ [12:29] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://www.addictivetips.com/chromebook/how-to-use-alternate-browsers-on-your-chromebook/ ) [12:30] TR News 5 Best Digital Wallet Apps for Android to Use on 2022 https://www.ubuntupit.com/best-digital-wallet-apps-for-android/ [12:30] TR Bot 5 Best Digital Wallet Apps for Android to Use on 2022 [12:31] TR News Openwashing and pro-software patents cartel are not the solution to this problem https://www.zdnet.com/finance/fintech-giant-the-clearing-house-joins-open-source-patent-protection-powerhouse-oin/#ftag=RSSbaffb68 [12:31] TR Bot giant The Clearing House joins open-source patent protection powerhouse OIN | ZDNET [12:33] TR News NASAs aircraft will elevate the hunt for critical minerals in the US - The Verge https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/3/23384988/nasa-usgs-map-critical-minerals-southwest-us-clean-energy Source: The Verge | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.theverge.com/2022/10/3/23384988/nasa-usgs-map-critical-minerals-southwest-us-clean-energy [12:33] TR Bot NASAs aircraft will elevate the hunt for critical minerals in the US - The Verge [12:33] TR News Espionage painted as "SECURITY!!" Metaverse LOLs. https://eponymouspickle.blogspot.com/2022/10/metaverse-safety-week.html [12:33] TR Bot The Eponymous Pickle: Metaverse Safety Week Event [12:34] TR News EU chat control negotiations kick off: Commissioner Johansson defends controversial surveillance law before LIBE committee - Patrick Breyer https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/eu-chat-control-negotiations-kick-off-commissioner-johansson-defends-controversial-surveillance-law-before-libe-committee/ Source: Patrick Breyer [12:34] TR Bot EU chat control negotiations kick off: Commissioner Johansson defends controversial surveillance law before LIBE committee Patrick Breyer [12:35] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [12:35] TR News eBPF File Watching https://matt-rickard.com/ebpf-file-watching Source: Matt Rickard | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//matt-rickard.com/ebpf-file-watching [12:35] TR Bot eBPF File Watching [12:36] TR News Why Is NixOS Popular Again? https://matt-rickard.com/why-is-nixos-popular-again [12:36] TR Bot Why Is NixOS Popular Again? [12:37] TR News The Old Computer Challenge 2022 https://box.matto.nl/the-old-computer-challenge-2022.html [12:37] TR Bot Old Computer Challenge 2022 - box.matto.nl [12:38] TR News "My plan was to draw one or two sprites for each industry type; tea tree farm, tea factory, tea house. If I had settled for that you'd probably be able to play with that mod right now." https://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-10-10-21-hours.html [12:38] TR Bot 21 Hours - Bjrn Wrmedal [12:40] TR News Limine version 3.20221014.1 compiled in OE https://bkhome.org/news/202210/limine-version-3202210141-compiled-in-oe.html [12:40] TR Bot Limine version 3.20221014.1 compiled in OE [12:40] TR News "After a few busy and stressful months, I decided to set aside October to rest. Of course, for me, rest does not mean a cessation of programming, but rather a shift in priorities towards more fun and experimental projects. Consequently, it has been a great month for Helios!" https://drewdevault.com/2022/10/15/Status-update-October-2022.html [12:40] TR Bot Status update, October 2022 [12:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 21.55 k/sec., IPFS upstream 124.71 average k/sec., average swarm size 107.80 ● Oct 15 [13:00] TR News Self-Referential Fame: Famous for Claiming to Be Famous https://tedium.co/2022/10/14/self-referential-fame-history/ Source: Tedium | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//tedium.co/2022/10/14/self-referential-fame-history/ [13:00] TR Bot Self-Referential Fame: Famous for Claiming to Be Famous [13:01] TR News "Both Plasma Mobile Gear 22.09 and Plasma 5.26 have now hit Manjaro ARMs unstable branch, so it's time to get some testing in before it gets to stable branch." https://blog.strits.dk/plasma-5-26-and-plasma-mobile-gear-22-09/ [13:01] TR Bot Plasma 5.26 and Plasma Mobile Gear 22.09 in Manjaro ARM [13:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [13:37] MinceR https://i.ibb.co/Fs4KPVc/311666518-547216697405301-3257991382648606889-n.jpg [13:37] MinceR nvm [13:37] schestowitz[TR] ha [13:40] schestowitz[TR] probably a home with kids of something [13:41] TR News "I've been working with and on container technology for seven years, but I still learn new things every day." https://jmtd.net/log/podman_generate/ [13:41] TR Bot jmtd log podman generate [13:41] MinceR the work laptop lets me experience what "modern" and "ready for the desktop" are like [13:41] TR News Windows has BACK DOORS. Never ever use a password manager on Windows, no matter what software runs on it. https://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/manage-your-passwords-on-windows-with-buttercup/ [13:41] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/manage-your-passwords-on-windows-with-buttercup/ ) [13:41] MinceR today it froze solid while resuming from hibernation [13:41] *KiKi (~KiKi@wsiybfsi67r84.irc) has joined #techrights [13:41] MinceR then it rebooted again [13:42] MinceR i'm sure dehomag and MICROS~1 can implement both of these things in Gnome OS [13:42] MinceR the audio stack being a useless pile of shit is probably already there thanks to poetteringaudio [13:44] schestowitz[TR] fedora ambassador: lol, buy a new pc, neckbeard [13:45] MinceR tell my employer to replace that laptop, then [13:45] schestowitz[TR] :-) [13:45] MinceR it's out of my hands :) [13:45] schestowitz[TR] russian ambassar: get out of ukraine then [13:45] schestowitz[TR] (to ukrainians) [13:45] MinceR no u [13:46] TR News (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/today_s_howtos.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/today_s_howtos.1.gmi [13:46] TR Bot Tux Machines today's howtos [13:47] TR News [GIT PULL] sched/psi changes for v6.1 https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/Y0krqnKlHb%2Fgp9Za@gmail.com/T/#u Source: kernel | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/lkml/Y0krqnKlHb%2Fgp9Za@gmail.com/T/#u [13:47] TR Bot [GIT PULL] sched/psi changes for v6.1 [13:48] TR News Pulse Sensor with Raspberry PI Pico: Hearth Beat Chech with MicroPython https://peppe8o.com/pulse-sensor-with-raspberry-pi-pico-hearth-beat-chech-with-micropython/ Source: peppe8o | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//peppe8o.com/pulse-sensor-with-raspberry-pi-pico-hearth-beat-chech-with-micropython/ [13:48] TR Bot ( status 520 @ https://peppe8o.com/pulse-sensor-with-raspberry-pi-pico-hearth-beat-chech-with-micropython/ ) [13:49] TR News 6 Top Free and Open Source Rust Web Micro-Frameworks - LinuxLinks https://www.linuxlinks.com/free-open-source-rust-web-micro-frameworks/ Source: Linux Links | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.linuxlinks.com/free-open-source-rust-web-micro-frameworks/ [13:49] TR Bot Top Free and Open Source Rust Web Micro-Frameworks - LinuxLinks [13:50] TR News "In my quest to build my Offline-First typewriter, Im developing Offpunk, an offline-first, command-line based Gemini client (forked from AV-98 by Solderpunk)." gemini://rawtext.club/~ploum/ ● Oct 15 [14:02] MinceR (nsfw) https://files.explosm.net/comics/Dave/kiddickman.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/dave-kiddickman#comic ) [14:02] TR Bot & Happiness (Explosm.net) [14:14] schestowitz[TR] [bill gates clicks] [14:14] schestowitz[TR] no... [14:14] schestowitz[TR] [rick allen jones clicks] [14:15] schestowitz[TR] [and saves to portable disk] [14:17] MinceR (dog) https://i.ibb.co/JRQ3V6g/unknown-133.png [14:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [14:28] *reptilian_thrills has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:28] *mjg59_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:28] *techrights-news has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:28] *mjg59_ (~mjg59@ajm54sra9b86c.irc) has joined #techrights [14:28] *parsifal_ (~parsifal@8vte7vm6885eu.irc) has joined #techrights [14:28] *rianne (~rianne@ngvjyiryrrbba.irc) has joined #techrights [14:28] *immibis_ (~hexchat@6wevdscyutjfy.irc) has joined #techrights [14:28] *isak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:28] *schestowitz[TR2] has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:28] *schestowitz[TR] has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:28] *isak (~isak@dzzss3vg4xwbw.irc) has joined #techrights [14:28] *parsifal has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:28] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:28] *schestowitz[TR2] (~schestowitz[TR]@ngvjyiryrrbba.irc) has joined #techrights [14:28] *MinceR has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:28] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:28] *immibis has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:28] *psydruid has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:28] *Techrights-sec2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:28] *rianne_ (~rianne@ngvjyiryrrbba.irc) has joined #techrights [14:28] *Techrights-sec2 (~quassel@ngvjyiryrrbba.irc) has joined #techrights [14:28] *wallacer has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:28] *asusbox2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:28] *schestowitz has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:28] *schestowitz-TR has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:28] *wallacer (~quassel@6bsu33ajs4zs4.irc) has joined #techrights [14:28] *liberty_box (~liberty@ngvjyiryrrbba.irc) has joined #techrights [14:28] *MinceR (~mincer@bringer.of.light) has joined #techrights [14:28] *irc.techrights.org gives channel operator status to MinceR [14:28] *schestowitz[TR] (~schestowitz[TR]@ngvjyiryrrbba.irc) has joined #techrights [14:28] *schestowitz-TR (~acer-box@ngvjyiryrrbba.irc) has joined #techrights [14:28] *asusbox2 (~rianne@ngvjyiryrrbba.irc) has joined #techrights [14:29] *schestowitz (~roy@ngvjyiryrrbba.irc) has joined #techrights [14:29] *irc.techrights.org sets mode +q #techrights schestowitz [14:49] *danielinux (~dan@danielinux.default.trexotech.uk0.bigv.io) has joined #techrights [14:52] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:54] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [14:55] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [14:56] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@freenode/user/Noisytoot) has joined #techrights [14:56] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot) has joined #techrights [14:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 21.68 k/sec., IPFS upstream 92.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 132.25 ● Oct 15 [15:00] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #techrights [15:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [15:57] *KiKi has quit (connection closed) [15:58] *kiki_ (~KiKi@6byxczt6txq2u.irc) has joined #techrights ● Oct 15 [16:13] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [16:17] whitenigga hey dawgs [16:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [16:33] starstreak linucks btw [16:34] whitenigga linucks? [16:36] starstreak linux is pronounced "linucks" [16:39] whitenigga lol dawg [16:43] starstreak attack surface [16:43] starstreak there should be an easier way to insert emojis [16:43] starstreak i have to copy pasta them [16:45] whitenigga starstreak: dawg, im surprised im seeing them. im on a terminal and irssi [16:47] *birkoff has quit (Connection closed) [16:52] starstreak unicode btw [16:55] schestowitz LKML: "Michael S. Tsirkin": [GIT PULL] virtio: fixes, features https://lkml.org/lkml/2022/10/10/774 Source: uni Indiana | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lkml.org/lkml/2022/10/10/774 [16:55] TR Bot LKML: "Michael S. Tsirkin": [GIT PULL] virtio: fixes, features [16:56] *schestowitz[TR3] has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) [16:56] *techrights-news (~techrights-news@ngvjyiryrrbba.irc) has joined #techrights [16:57] TR News GINYSTR Wordo: PUFFY gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-10-15.gmi [16:57] TR News (NEW): Sparky 2022.10 Special Editions http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Sparky_2022_10_Special_Editions.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Sparky_2022_10_Special_Editions.gmi [16:57] TR Bot Tux Machines Sparky 2022.10 Special Editions [16:58] whitenigga https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/14/tech/apple-store-union-oklahoma/index.html [16:58] TR Bot at second Apple store vote to join union | CNN Business [16:58] TR News LKML: "Michael S. Tsirkin": [GIT PULL] virtio: fixes, features https://lkml.org/lkml/2022/10/10/774 Source: uni Indiana | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lkml.org/lkml/2022/10/10/774 [16:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.65 k/sec., IPFS upstream 113.96 average k/sec., average swarm size 127.36 ● Oct 15 [17:00] starstreak https://www.businessinsider.com/equifax-fires-employees-for-working-two-jobs-2022-10 [17:00] TR Bot Equifax Fires Employees for Working Two Jobs [17:10] TR News Fake 'rich' people (or people deep in debt) like to openly brag that they are "rich" as long as that lasts (the pretence is all they have going for them). Rich people tend to keep more quiet about it. There are exceptions to all this, but in "modern society" it has become prevalent. [17:14] *birkoff (birkoff@freenode-adfd07.pp8t.eshf.59jtia.IP) has joined #techrights [17:15] *horseface (~horseface@3ks2f2u3ctqeg.irc) has joined #techrights [17:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [17:24] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [17:35] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [17:39] *horseface has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:41] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [17:43] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [17:43] psydruid Corporations trying to control people in an era in which those very same corporations are obsolete [17:43] psydruid "Rich" people can have as many "jobs" as they want but employees must be owned 100% of the time [17:53] *reptilian_thrills (~reptilian_thrills@tjyeecr8dbswi.irc) has joined #techrights [17:57] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [17:58] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [17:58] *birkoff has quit (Connection closed) [17:58] reptilian_thrills gee tee kay, or as i call it, jitik [17:58] *horseface (~horseface@rxm43kc67i4ek.irc) has joined #techrights [17:58] reptilian_thrills jitik is part of the TROLL desktop [17:59] reptilian_thrills theres a fork called mate, which stands for "mate is your mate, but troll just wants to bend you over" ● Oct 15 [18:00] reptilian_thrills theyre waiting for enough people to like troll, then theyll scrap it and make it worse [18:00] reptilian_thrills then when people who liked it are sad, theyll call them neckbeards which isnt racist [18:02] reptilian_thrills troll 3 is more than a decade old, troll 5 is better, it only needs 12 cores [18:03] reptilian_thrills (troll doesnt actually needs lots of cores, it likes ram though) [18:03] reptilian_thrills alternatively troll will just become the desktop environment in systemd [18:04] reptilian_thrills systemd-trolld [18:04] *horseface has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:07] starstreak linucks btw :D [18:07] reptilian_thrills systemd-linucksd [18:08] reptilian_thrills roy told me yesterday, i might end up with bsd/alpine [18:08] reptilian_thrills i told him i can think of worse things [18:09] starstreak did openbsd put code on github? [18:09] reptilian_thrills openbsd has a mirror-- funnily enough, i once thought openbsd was on github [18:09] reptilian_thrills someone said "thats just a mirror" and i checked, and they were right [18:09] starstreak ahh like haiku [18:09] reptilian_thrills this was before wesley snipes (and before i switched to bsd) [18:09] reptilian_thrills like haiku [18:09] reptilian_thrills <- exactly like haiku, except [18:10] starstreak gnome is hosted on gitlab [18:10] reptilian_thrills with openbsd i had trusted wikipedia. this was back when my github radar was very new and unsophisticated [18:10] reptilian_thrills yes, troll is hosted on gitlab [18:10] reptilian_thrills after someone pointed out that openbsd was on github i audited my entire list of like 100 or so items [18:11] reptilian_thrills by hand [18:11] reptilian_thrills i found like 3 or maybe 4 items that were mirrors or otherwise a mistake [18:11] reptilian_thrills so it was pretty accurate but more accuracy is better [18:12] reptilian_thrills with haiku i simply remembered a project being github based because they had a repo there [18:13] reptilian_thrills but its a true mirror, and i dont count those. anybody can copy a freesw project to a mirror [18:13] reptilian_thrills and people frequently do [18:15] reptilian_thrills everything written in perl is under a perl license [18:15] reptilian_thrills but there is no perl license [18:16] reptilian_thrills isnt that weird [18:16] starstreak everyone who uses perl is mentally handicapped anyway [18:16] starstreak thats probably why [18:17] reptilian_thrills everyone who uses perl is mentally handicapped anyway <- autistic lesbians can say that [18:17] reptilian_thrills at least irish autistic lesbians can [18:17] starstreak [18:18] starstreak did your irc client process that emoji? [18:18] reptilian_thrills nice hat [18:18] starstreak its a halo [18:18] starstreak im an angel [18:18] reptilian_thrills id sooner believe its a hat :) [18:19] reptilian_thrills /me has a halo too O:) [18:19] reptilian_thrills though from here it looks a bit like a mike and ike [18:19] starstreak [18:19] reptilian_thrills i should probably say mike and icke [18:19] starstreak icke <3 [18:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [18:20] reptilian_thrills https://yewtu.be/watch?v=rD5He3U-te0 [18:20] TR Bot Trip Through Your Wires (Remastered 2007) - Invidious [18:20] starstreak [18:21] starstreak i have to copy and paste these from a website lol [18:21] reptilian_thrills not me [18:21] reptilian_thrills [18:21] starstreak thank god for unicode [18:21] reptilian_thrills thank god for unicode <- im more likely to worship satan than thank god for unicode [18:22] starstreak whats wrong with worshipping Satan? [18:22] reptilian_thrills of course theres very little difference, unicode is digital satanism [18:22] reptilian_thrills whats wrong with worshipping Satan <- i dunno, it makes the baby jesus cry [18:22] reptilian_thrills so does unicode [18:22] starstreak Satan is a badass [18:22] starstreak the first rebel [18:22] reptilian_thrills if you like satan you should probably like dfc too [18:23] starstreak nah [18:23] starstreak satan doesn't even like nazis [18:23] reptilian_thrills ha [18:23] reptilian_thrills fair point [18:23] reptilian_thrills the first rebel <- does he have a flag [18:23] reptilian_thrills id ask if he was alt-right but you were inb4 ben shapiro [18:24] reptilian_thrills theres just one problem, ben! whos gonna worship alt-right satan, aquaman? [18:24] reptilian_thrills /me pictures aquaman doing a black mass [18:25] *frog has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:26] *birkoff (birkoff@freenode-adfd07.pp8t.eshf.59jtia.IP) has joined #techrights [18:26] starstreak nazi furries: https://i.imgur.com/X0Rgogr.jpeg [18:26] reptilian_thrills i had a bartender once who was wearing a shirt that said "angel or devil?" [18:26] reptilian_thrills which i thought was a great shirt for a bartender because of the song [18:26] reptilian_thrills "angel or devil, i was thirsty, and you wet my lips" [18:27] reptilian_thrills bono is a guilty pleasure. hes the jersey short of musicians [18:27] reptilian_thrills shore [18:27] reptilian_thrills jersey short is a remake with just little people [18:27] reptilian_thrills its like the wizard of oz but mafia [18:27] reptilian_thrills /me is going to get a horse head on his pillow [18:28] reptilian_thrills or a pony. [18:30] reptilian_thrills jersey short is a remake with just little people <- peter dinklage plays ronnie [18:32] whitenigga midgets are hot dawg [18:32] reptilian_thrills https://yewtu.be/watch?v=6_W_xLWtNa0 [18:32] TR Bot Shy Ronnie 2: Ronnie & Clyde (feat. Rihanna) - Invidious [18:32] whitenigga there is this hot female midget at my grocery store [18:32] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@h635kpe3hju7k.irc) has joined #techrights [18:33] whitenigga i dont have the confidence to ask her out [18:33] whitenigga i'd love to bang a midget [18:33] reptilian_thrills midget bangerz #11 [18:33] whitenigga pornhub has quite a lot of midget videos [18:34] reptilian_thrills but when i look for them there i alwaye come up short [18:34] whitenigga LOL [18:34] reptilian_thrills rihanna should wear that every day [18:35] reptilian_thrills in fact she should give up music (not that shes terrible by any means) and just rob banks, that would be awesome [18:35] reptilian_thrills if i was a bank id give her all my money [18:35] whitenigga i wouldn't even press the robbery button [18:36] whitenigga no dye packs for her either [18:37] reptilian_thrills HAHAAAAAAAA! [18:37] *starstreak vapes and blows a cloud of smoke into the channel [18:38] whitenigga i can't get enough of that midget booty [18:38] whitenigga mmmmmmmmmm [18:38] reptilian_thrills TOODALOOOO [18:39] *phanes (~phanes@vdaaabp6wfeza.irc) has joined #techrights [18:39] starstreak i use arch linux btw [18:39] reptilian_thrills linucks [18:39] starstreak attack surface <3 [18:39] reptilian_thrills phanes is here for jersey short [18:39] *whitenigga imagines slapping the booty of a midget [18:39] whitenigga lord have mercy [18:40] *phanes starts placing bets on how many packages he's installed from "reputable repos" that ended up being malware [18:40] phanes re: arch linux [18:40] starstreak im a she [18:40] phanes whatever [18:41] starstreak i got a picture of phanes hanging out with his friends: https://i.imgur.com/X0Rgogr.jpeg [18:41] reptilian_thrills /me thought phanes was referring to himself [18:41] phanes why is it always nazis with you people [18:42] whitenigga lol starstreak, thats cooooold blooded [18:42] reptilian_thrills and only one of them is a wolf? [18:42] reptilian_thrills why is it always nazis with you people <- because mike godwin is dead [18:43] whitenigga godwin's law doesn't apply anymore because of all the actual nazis [18:43] reptilian_thrills i got a picture of phanes hanging out with his friends: https://i.imgur.com/X0Rgogr.jpeg <- wait, this isnt the KISS reunion tour [18:43] phanes godwin's law doesn't apply because godwin was only attached to the center of human consciousness while he was alive and when he died we lost memes [18:43] phanes forever [18:44] reptilian_thrills simmons: i support invading every middle eastern country EXCEPT israel of course [18:44] phanes all people do is produce cheap rebrands of prior existing memes hoping to recreate the magic but we're really all just passing around the corpses of memes [18:44] reptilian_thrills all people do is produce cheap rebrands of prior existing memes hoping to recreate the magic <- not me, im years behind on this shit [18:44] whitenigga sounds like phanes is a nerd dawg [18:44] reptilian_thrills i just discovered OPPALANCE OPPALANCE like 2 days ago [18:45] reptilian_thrills i say it walking down the street waving my arms around [18:45] reptilian_thrills "you own everthing!" [18:46] reptilian_thrills /me is the meme equivalent of anne hathaway in devil wears prada wearing a bargain bin shirt that meryl streep put at the forefront years before [18:48] reptilian_thrills i just discovered hawaiian shirts are a thing [18:48] phanes thats because you live in a cave [18:48] reptilian_thrills close enough, ive never been on the internets [18:48] starstreak thats because he uses openbsd [18:48] reptilian_thrills rofl [18:48] *kiki_ has quit (Quit: Leaving) [18:49] reptilian_thrills thats because he uses openbsd <- hey i had to wait for a driver for my nic ok [18:49] phanes lol [18:49] reptilian_thrills i spent a decade or so trying to get wireless to gave up and then i discovered ethernet [18:50] reptilian_thrills to be fair part of that was in freebsd [18:50] reptilian_thrills /me checks to make sure the coax on his network card isnt loose [18:51] reptilian_thrills i was using a null modem cable on rs232 but it turns out thats pretty slow [18:53] phanes honestly freebsd is a fine system for personal use or even server use if you don't try to scale out [18:53] phanes linux is in the process of being hijacked [18:54] reptilian_thrills linux is in the process of being hijacked <- thats why i bailed [18:54] MinceR if you don't mind the CoC, the MICROS~1 and crApple influence, and the community being mostly Backdoors and crapOS users desperately looking for some street cred [18:54] reptilian_thrills if i thought i could stop this by staying with penguinshit i would stick around longer [18:54] MinceR FreeBSD was hijacked before Linux was [18:54] reptilian_thrills FreeBSD was hijacked before Linux was <- howso [18:55] reptilian_thrills https://yewtu.be/watch?v=16na-CG5skA [18:55] TR Bot Penguin poops on friend - Invidious [18:55] MinceR 15 195436 < reptilian_thrills> FreeBSD was hijacked before Linux was <- howso [18:55] MinceR MICROS~1 and crApple influence, then they forced a CoC on the project [18:56] phanes its not just the CoC [18:56] phanes the CoC is a strategic resource placement and PR tool [18:56] reptilian_thrills fwiw i believe they dialed down the coc to remove the worst bullshit [18:56] MinceR yeah, for the occupying corporations [18:56] reptilian_thrills this isnt a pro-coc stance [18:56] reptilian_thrills but they also develop their package management on github [18:57] reptilian_thrills of freebsd and netbsd and openbsd, freebsd is the most github-entrenched [18:57] reptilian_thrills roy implied they were considering leaving, which may be true, but i doubt they ever left [18:57] MinceR a standard CoC lists comfortable excuses for removing people the corporate overlords don't like from the project and assigns the power to do so to a specific group of suits [18:57] reptilian_thrills a standard CoC lists comfortable excuses for removing people the corporate overlords don't like from the project and assigns the power to do so to a specific group of suits <- this is the general problem with cocs [18:58] reptilian_thrills they exist for one alleged purpose and are invariably used to cancel people who make trouble for corporations [18:58] reptilian_thrills tso, stallman, appelbaum [18:58] reptilian_thrills it turns out the progressive side of the tech industry consists entirely of people who have violated mjgs partner in some fashion [18:58] reptilian_thrills which im not saying didnt happen [18:58] reptilian_thrills but thats pretty bizarre [18:59] MinceR i don't even know what "progressive" means [18:59] reptilian_thrills thats why youre miserable and cynical and misanthropic [18:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 21.43 k/sec., IPFS upstream 43.10 average k/sec., average swarm size 125.06 [18:59] reptilian_thrills but, it may be the other way around-- you might be those things BECAUSE you dont know what progressive means [18:59] reptilian_thrills wait, i said that already [18:59] reptilian_thrills anyway, strike that, reverse it ● Oct 15 [19:00] reptilian_thrills actually its because youre an anarchist [19:00] MinceR sounds like "progressive" means "delusional" [19:00] whitenigga yo dawg thats pretty harsh [19:00] reptilian_thrills whcih is a perfectly reasonable thing to be in theory [19:01] *phanes puts on some progressive rock [19:01] *starstreak runs an age detection algorithm [19:01] reptilian_thrills but in practice it means "lets fix the world OOH SHINY THINGS-- HEY EVERYBODY STONE HIM, HE SAID RACIST THINGS ABOUT JEHOVAH!" [19:01] reptilian_thrills "now look, just because i said racist things about jehovah..." *everybody throws rocks* [19:01] *starstreak reads the screen, it has determined that phanes is in fact a boomer [19:01] phanes im only 37 [19:02] starstreak why do you act like a boomer? [19:02] reptilian_thrills /me met a guy who is only 37 the other day, it must be phanes [19:02] starstreak what kind of millenial listens to progressive rock [19:02] reptilian_thrills what kind of millenial listens to progressive rock <- lol :D [19:02] phanes my gen is xennials [19:02] phanes we're kind of between the Xers and the Mers [19:03] starstreak fair enough [19:03] phanes we watched it all grow up [19:03] phanes you guys just use the shit we built [19:03] starstreak im the same age tho and i like shit like rap, pop and synthwave [19:03] reptilian_thrills you guys just use the shit we built <- ok THATS boomer talk right there [19:03] starstreak im also 37 [19:03] phanes eh? use anything that doesn't rest on the C layer of your OS lately? [19:04] reptilian_thrills hell thats the boomer santa song that chevy sang in community [19:04] starstreak i use arch/systemd/gnome btw [19:04] phanes cue the shitposting about how rust and go have really made viable foundational progress despite having never breached the niche wall [19:04] reptilian_thrills baby boomer santa! i give you the WORLD! [19:04] starstreak go is fun [19:04] phanes or having formed a standard with which the language can evolve [19:05] reptilian_thrills you guys just use the shit we built https://yewtu.be/watch?v=OOSOGB406Ec [19:05] TR Bot Baby Boomer Santa | Community - Invidious [19:05] phanes you guys are making toy cabins out of boomer poop while whining about boomers [19:05] phanes know any mellinials who are building viable kernels? [19:06] phanes at this point we have the highest hopes for your kids [19:06] phanes maybe their kids [19:06] starstreak theres probably a lot of millenials working on linux [19:06] phanes boomer poop [19:06] reptilian_thrills "your generation INVENTED music!" [19:06] reptilian_thrills "i dunno about invented... perfected maybe" [19:07] starstreak haiku os [19:07] phanes we spat out a generation of emotionally fragile, broken identities that can't focus on anything long enough to earn the status they cry-scream demands to be given [19:07] reptilian_thrills "santa fought at woodstock, and vietnam, and smoked a tonne of acid..." [19:07] reptilian_thrills we spat out a generation of emotionally fragile, broken identities <- thats mostly the an-coms though [19:08] phanes ive put up with shit on the reg since the 90s that would break most of y'all lol [19:08] starstreak reptilian_thrills, whats wrong with anarchy [19:08] reptilian_thrills i dunno man i grew up being tortured and terrorised on a daily basis [19:08] reptilian_thrills reptilian_thrills, whats wrong with anarchy <- nothing actually [19:09] starstreak down with tankies [19:09] reptilian_thrills down with tankies <- if only [19:09] reptilian_thrills but an-coms are into friendly fire, they always miss the tankies. [19:09] starstreak centrists are the worst tho [19:10] reptilian_thrills "hey guys, look, tankies" "hold on, let me reload i just pumped 8 magazines into my comrades" [19:10] reptilian_thrills yes everyone should work together to destroy the centrists [19:10] phanes centrists are fine [19:10] starstreak What do we want!? Wall! When do we want it? Wall! [19:10] phanes you can't get rid of the normies [19:10] reptilian_thrills What do we want!? Wall! When do we want it? Wall! <- maybe he save perl (just kidding) [19:11] reptilian_thrills you can't get rid of the normies <- we can frame them for hate crimes [19:11] starstreak lol no reptilian_thrills [19:11] starstreak i got the best idea [19:11] reptilian_thrills tso is innocent [19:11] phanes yeah but that'll break your own credibility and end your ability to shape society any further [19:11] phanes which is notably nonexistent but still [19:11] starstreak once the revolution is over, the centrists will participate in the first annual hunger games [19:11] reptilian_thrills yeah but that'll break your own credibility and end your ability to shape society any further <- thats exactly what it does, yes [19:11] phanes keep your options opoen [19:11] phanes *open [19:12] reptilian_thrills #techrights : 10/15/22 18:11 yeah but that'll break your own credibility and end your ability to shape society any further <- im only humourously endorsing what has already happened [19:12] reptilian_thrills in protest [19:13] reptilian_thrills but the more i humourously endorse it the more i outline whats stupid about it in fine detail [19:13] phanes the reason these stains shit their pants when i get roped in is because i never compromise my morality, which is known to involve a striving for truth [19:13] reptilian_thrills for example: yeah but that'll break your own credibility and end your ability to shape society any further <- thats exactly what it does, yes [19:13] phanes it doesn't sound like much but imagine if all their adversaries did that [19:13] reptilian_thrills the reason these stains shit their pants when i get roped in is because i never compromise my morality, which is known to involve a striving for truth <- and thats why starstreak mistook me for you [19:13] reptilian_thrills i dont. she did. [19:14] phanes no you are a crazy flat earth lizard-people conspiracy theorist [19:14] phanes in your case you should lie about that [19:14] reptilian_thrills no you are a crazy flat earth lizard-people conspiracy theorist <- crazy perhaps. flat earth no. lizard people (nicks aside) no. youre confusing me with starstreak. [19:14] reptilian_thrills <- not an icke guy [19:14] phanes one of the first things people who oppose truth-lovers do is try to paint them as crazy because they know they won't win the battle of convincing people that they are lying [19:14] starstreak earth isn't flat [19:15] reptilian_thrills one of the first things people who oppose truth-lovers do is try to paint them as crazy because they know they won't win the battle of convincing people that they are lying <- and yet ive agreed with every point youve made about cocs and cancel culture [19:15] starstreak " one of the first things people who oppose truth-lovers do is try to paint them as crazy because they know they won't win the battle of convincing people that they are lying" <- he says right after calling me crazy [19:16] reptilian_thrills he says right after calling me crazy <- thats true [19:16] phanes so if you spout out a bunch of shit about lizard people and underground cave-dwelling civilizations being hidden in a conspiracy, out of the gate you're reduced to either being crazy or a liar. you disqualify yourself from the struggles of civilization immediately with it. [19:16] phanes surely you know this already [19:16] starstreak i've done the research and it all points underground [19:17] phanes lol [19:17] reptilian_thrills if you spout out a bunch of shit about lizard people and underground cave-dwelling civilizations being hidden in a conspiracy <- and if i dont? [19:17] starstreak as above, so below [19:17] phanes that's not even close to what that phrase means starstreak [19:17] starstreak the phrase has multiple meanings [19:17] phanes yes and you know none of them [19:17] starstreak its masonic [19:17] reptilian_thrills also im not sure sanity is a prerequisite for fixing the world [19:18] reptilian_thrills youd have to be crazy to think its possible and crazier to try [19:18] phanes there are different kinds of crazy [19:18] whitenigga starstreak: you're one crazy nigga [19:18] reptilian_thrills there are different kinds of craz <- this is one of my theses [19:18] reptilian_thrills crazy isnt optional. theres only better kinds of crazy and worse kinds-- the key is to go for a better kind. [19:19] starstreak autizmophrenia [19:19] starstreak a combination of autism and schitzophrenia [19:19] phanes there's "i think we can make a positive impact on society" crazy and "I think sentient lizards control invisible reigns of human civilization in their unending war with underground neanderthals, because hollow earth" crazy, which comes with a whole bunch of other crazy as the mind disease worsens [19:19] starstreak thats the kind you want [19:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [19:20] starstreak the moon is hollow too [19:20] phanes lol [19:20] starstreak its a space station [19:20] starstreak it mind controls the planet [19:20] phanes i really hope you're just joking and that you aren't this batshit crazy [19:20] reptilian_thrills autizmophrenia <- https://yewtu.be/watch?v=lpreoBdQ8cs [19:21] TR Bot Phoenix - Lisztomania (Music Video) - Invidious [19:21] starstreak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHuFSnhKG9I [19:21] TR Bot https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=IHuFSnhKG9I [19:21] TR Bot timed out after 10001 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=IHuFSnhKG9I ) [19:21] starstreak Autizmophrenia, the ultimate in neurodivergence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHuFSnhKG9I [19:23] reptilian_thrills high functioning autistics really only need the right circumstances lent to them for them to help save the world [19:23] phanes not really [19:23] reptilian_thrills of course you could replace "high functioning autistics" with quite a few other groups in that phrase [19:23] reptilian_thrills not really <- thats one hell of a refutation [19:23] phanes most high functioning autists would destroy everything theyve ever loved if they had an influence over anything [19:23] *frog (~frog@xa9gyvgunt5tq.irc) has joined #techrights [19:24] reptilian_thrills if they had an influence <- influence comes in degrees [19:24] starstreak :( [19:24] phanes most high functioning neurotypicals would destroy everything they love too [19:24] reptilian_thrills your rhetoric implies they would be better off chained up to a wall [19:24] reptilian_thrills of course this is a false dichotomoy-- but thats exactly my point [19:24] starstreak im autistic [19:24] phanes not chained to a wall, just....not in charge [19:24] reptilian_thrills not chained to a wall, just....not in charge <- youre halfway there already [19:24] phanes im not autistic but alot of normies think i am [19:25] reptilian_thrills who should be in charge [19:25] reptilian_thrills im not autistic but alot of normies think i am <- too much credit [19:25] reptilian_thrills youre like a horseshoe theory normie-- so normie you seem like a savant [19:25] phanes maybe [19:25] reptilian_thrills "hes almost autistically normie" [19:26] phanes thing is though [19:26] reptilian_thrills who should be in charge [19:26] phanes i can go into /most/ areas that are dominated by HFAs [19:26] phanes and run circles around most of them [19:26] reptilian_thrills and run circles around most of them <- so can any narcissist [19:26] reptilian_thrills and while you dont yet strike me as a narcissist [19:26] phanes not quite a polymath, i can chase pretty much any endeavour of mind i want [19:26] reptilian_thrills some of your rhetoric is hard to explain any other way [19:27] phanes some attributes of narcissism are positive traits [19:27] phanes i haver studied them a great deal [19:27] phanes *have [19:27] reptilian_thrills i can chase pretty much any endeavour of mind i want <- sounds like grayden from what planet are you from [19:27] reptilian_thrills he has a highly evolved mind that can heal any wound [19:27] reptilian_thrills so john goodman shoots him in the head and he dies [19:28] reptilian_thrills "i always thought that heal any wound thing was bullshit"-- one of the aliens [19:28] phanes yeah if a divergence emerges that can do that, the immediate response would probably be to kill it tbh [19:28] reptilian_thrills missing the point that he was making it up [19:29] phanes ok [19:29] reptilian_thrills it was a bluff [19:29] phanes i mean [19:29] phanes i dont like [19:29] reptilian_thrills "dont bother attacking me, im invincible" [19:29] phanes need your validation man [19:29] *reptilian_thrills has quit (connection closed) [19:31] MinceR 15 200140 < reptilian_thrills> "now look, just because i said racist things about jehovah..." *everybody throws rocks* [19:31] MinceR Stop! Stop, will you?! Stop that! Stop it! Now, look! No one is to stone anyone until I blow this whistle! Do you understand?! Even, and I want to make this absolutely clear, even if they do say 'Jehovah'. [19:31] phanes lol [19:31] MinceR 15 200520 < phanes> you guys are making toy cabins out of boomer poop while whining about boomers [19:31] MinceR ew [19:32] phanes its true though lol [19:32] MinceR 15 201011 < reptilian_thrills> yes everyone should work together to destroy the centrists [19:32] MinceR don't worry, all of the human species are working on it [19:32] phanes they destroyed their kids but they built the world with scales that haven't been reproduced [19:33] MinceR all the humans will be destroyed. including the centrists. [19:34] phanes i wonder if they pull his internet connection on days he doesn't take his schizoid meds [19:34] MinceR whose [19:35] phanes whoever that nutjob i was just talking to is [19:35] MinceR lol [19:35] MinceR no, he just comes and goes [19:35] starstreak reptilian_thrills is a nutjob? [19:35] MinceR he's one of the saner people here, afaict [19:35] starstreak i guess everyone is a nutjob [19:35] phanes sorry i might be confusing people. isn't he the lizard people one [19:35] starstreak he says im a nutjob [19:35] starstreak phanes, im the one with the conspiracy website [19:36] Helenah o.o [19:36] phanes oh, i misunderstood. i misattributed to someone else the batshit insanity that belongs to you. [19:36] starstreak phanes, https://cerberusinvestigations.neocities.org/neanderthal-agenda.html [19:36] TR Bot Cerberus Investigations - The Neanderthal Agenda [19:36] phanes im not clicking on that [19:37] starstreak reptilian_thrills is actually matey [19:38] whitenigga starstreak: dawg that shit is crazy yo [19:38] MinceR hi not clicking on that, i'm dad [19:38] *reptilian_thrills (~reptilian_thrills@dhbexrjppffwu.irc) has joined #techrights [19:38] reptilian_thrills anyway its shallow ableist thinking that honestly belives hfas cant be in charge [19:38] MinceR lol [19:38] phanes seems like i was reading an article a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away that people who believe they were abducted by aliens, believe in lizard people and all that are dealing wiht repressed traumatic events involving much more mundane circumstances that theyre not processing [19:38] Helenah https://files.catbox.moe/46lwn4.jpg [19:38] MinceR what's "hfas"? [19:39] reptilian_thrills it shows shallow thinking about hfas-- shallow thinking about what "in charge" means, and a shallow (selective) take on history [19:39] reptilian_thrills particularly of the free software movement. [19:39] phanes Helenah, is that a tumor? [19:39] Helenah phanes: Yep [19:39] reptilian_thrills phipps would sympathise but his thinking belongs in a prison camp [19:39] *reptilian_thrills has quit (connection closed) [19:39] phanes Helenah, dammit i was hoping you'd pull a schwarzeneggar ITS NOT A TUMAH [19:39] phanes sorry to hear that. malignant? [19:39] MinceR lol [19:39] Helenah I put the green circle there to get people to focus on where they should be looking. [19:39] *reptilian_thrills (~reptilian_thrills@dhbexrjppffwu.irc) has joined #techrights [19:39] reptilian_thrills mincer: high functioning autistics [19:40] starstreak welcome back reptilian_thrills [19:40] MinceR ic [19:40] Helenah phanes: Maybe I'm not human but instead humanoid. :3 [19:40] MinceR i think no one should be in charge [19:40] reptilian_thrills i think no one should be in charge <- thats why i kept asking phanes who should be in charge [19:40] reptilian_thrills man dominates man to his own detriment [19:40] phanes reptilian_thrills, what is shallow thinking is the belief that humans don't align to sociopolitical hierarchies at an instinctual level with drivers that can't be overcome without destroying everyone [19:40] MinceR and i will have my way, but probably through a really painful process [19:41] reptilian_thrills but i dont think smashing archy is the answer [19:41] MinceR it will smash itself [19:41] reptilian_thrills i think archy is a bomb, and if you smash it we die [19:41] reptilian_thrills if you disarm it and then dismantle it, great. [19:41] MinceR and once all the humans are dead, none of them will be able to be in charge of anything or anyone [19:41] reptilian_thrills it will smash itself <- yeah but you dont care if we die [19:41] Helenah reptilian_thrills: I'm an HFA. :3 [19:41] reptilian_thrills youve already accepted the worse option [19:41] MinceR i do care, but i don't have significant control over it [19:41] reptilian_thrills others would like to disarm and dismantle it [19:42] reptilian_thrills i do care <- ok but some people who care havent given up yet [19:42] MinceR too bad, they don't have significant control over it either [19:42] phanes what is also shallow thinking is that you need to be perpetually happy to experience a good life [19:42] Helenah reptilian_thrills: Accepted what worse option? [19:42] reptilian_thrills and theyre PROBABLY deluded, but if they try thats a good kind of deluded, especially if theres any chance of it working [19:42] reptilian_thrills what is also shallow thinking is that you need to be perpetually happy to experience a good life [19:42] reptilian_thrills <- oh im against mandatory happiness [19:42] MinceR well, might as well pass the time in some way [19:42] MinceR it doesn't hurt to try [19:42] reptilian_thrills its a vice [19:43] MinceR reptilian_thrills: Friend Computer disapproves. [19:43] *Helenah is confused [19:43] reptilian_thrills mandatory happiness is mind control, gaslighting, bullying [19:43] Helenah I'm not sure what I've accepted... [19:43] phanes pursuing happiness and joy is a fiend mindset [19:43] MinceR is it? [19:43] phanes yes [19:43] reptilian_thrills "im sorry you were beaten and raped. just be positive!" [19:43] Helenah Right, well I'm still confused! :D [19:43] MinceR sounds like there are even more fiends than i thought there were [19:43] phanes it's the same mentality that wants to rob you and sell your things to buy meth [19:44] MinceR including nonhumans [19:44] reptilian_thrills "really if you put your mind to it everything will be fine" [19:44] Helenah So please clear up the confusion! :3 [19:44] reptilian_thrills there are even more fiends than i thought there were <- personally im not surprised [19:44] Helenah Or I'm just going to flush this entire conversation out of my brain and it will be to me like it never happened. [19:45] MinceR lol [19:45] reptilian_thrills i have faith in humanity, but ive seen a lot of fiends. [19:45] reptilian_thrills i know more are lurking [19:45] reptilian_thrills only i figured out its not the majority of humanity so its cool [19:45] reptilian_thrills if you spend too much time around liars it makes you cynical [19:45] Helenah reptilian_thrills: Seriously dude, ignoring me just isn't cool... [19:45] reptilian_thrills and liars ARE "in charge" [19:45] phanes i want to say most people are just oxygen conversion machines peppered with moments of experience [19:46] reptilian_thrills thats why its so fucking dubious that phanes focuses on the neurodiverse when all the cunts destroying the world are normies [19:46] reptilian_thrills (except the an-coms. but its complicated) [19:46] reptilian_thrills we need the an-coms, imo. [19:46] phanes i have no issue with the neurodiverse [19:46] phanes i just don't think they should be in charge most of the time [19:46] reptilian_thrills but theres a nuance [19:46] reptilian_thrills and they dont do nuance well, which is why theyre always saying nuance [19:46] Helenah phanes: Explain? [19:46] reptilian_thrills i just don't think they should be in charge most of the time <- thats fair but also makes the whole thing a bit moot [19:47] reptilian_thrills they ARENT in charge most of the time [19:47] reptilian_thrills they likely never would be [19:47] Helenah Just because someone is neurodivergent, doesn't mean they're not capacitated to be in say leadership roles. [19:47] phanes Helenah, HFAs tend to lack empathy which is a critical experiential component of leadership [19:47] Helenah And they can actaully make very good leaders. [19:47] reptilian_thrills unless you mean a real example-- like something non-theretical [19:47] Helenah phanes: I definitely have empathy. [19:47] reptilian_thrills at that point we dont have to argue about abstractions [19:47] reptilian_thrills we can just talk about history [19:47] reptilian_thrills the best example is stallman, and the whole movement is a dumpster fire that spent decades trying to dethrone him [19:48] reptilian_thrills granted he should have stepped down. just not entirely. [19:48] reptilian_thrills and not under any circumstances like this dumpster fire [19:48] phanes he is someone that needs to delegate portions of his leadership to cover his blind spots [19:48] phanes and doesn't have the sense to [19:48] reptilian_thrills the whole movement <- which no longer exists [19:48] phanes because he struggles with empathy [19:48] Helenah Oh dear... [19:48] reptilian_thrills because he struggles with empathy <- its a shame you dont understand autism better [19:48] reptilian_thrills most people dont [19:48] MinceR 15 204707 < Helenah> Just because someone is neurodivergent, doesn't mean they're not capacitated to be in say leadership roles. [19:49] Helenah Stallman will shoot someone down for their differences in a heart beat just for the sake of it... [19:49] MinceR no one is [19:49] Helenah And yep he really lacks empathy. [19:49] phanes not everyone who says things you don't like misunderstands what they're talking about [19:49] MinceR "leadership" is one of the most harmful memes inhabiting humans [19:49] Helenah He can't even try to place himself in someone elses shoes and try to imagine what it would be like. [19:49] reptilian_thrills not everyone who says things you don't like <- strawman [19:49] reptilian_thrills what youre saying isnt entirely accurate [19:49] reptilian_thrills its not about preference [19:49] Helenah So therefore he can never have a true understanding of other peoples differences. [19:49] Helenah This extends into misogyny with him btw. [19:50] reptilian_thrills sometimes youre going to meet someone who knows more about a subject (or an aspect of that subject) than you do [19:50] phanes Helenah, exactly why he needs to use a reverential leadership style that delegates most of the decisions to others [19:50] reptilian_thrills you dont seem prepared for that to happen [19:50] reptilian_thrills you seem used to being right about everything [19:50] reptilian_thrills or more right [19:50] phanes reptilian_thrills, happens all the time. it just isn't happening now. [19:50] Helenah 18:49:11 phanes | not everyone who says things you don't like misunderstands what they're talking about [19:50] reptilian_thrills ok well youre only 37 [19:50] *phanes shrugs [19:50] reptilian_thrills when you grow up youll understand better [19:50] Helenah I'm not sure if the "like" thing was because you interpreted me as not liking something you said. [19:51] Helenah But I for certain haven't once been hurt. [19:51] *reptilian_thrills has quit (connection closed) [19:51] phanes Helenah, no that was directed to reptilian_thrills [19:51] Helenah Oh! [19:52] Helenah Yes, I agree with that but even the top most members of the board would prefer to favour him over members of the organisation under themselves so a lot of people need removing even if he is to change his ways of doing leadership. [19:52] phanes Helenah, and to stallman's credit on that topic, he was hit with some stuff that takes a rather nuanced and adversarial perspective to navigate [19:52] Helenah hmm [19:54] Helenah Well I wouldn't fault the guy 100% but he has done things which is asking for trouble such as the time when he picked his toes and ate whatever he got off them, skin, nail, whatever. It wasn't his action that was the problem, it was the time and place it was done in, the fact that he was the centre of attention by lots of people. [19:54] phanes of course [19:54] Helenah And most people don't want to watch someone else pick at their feet. [19:54] Helenah And you're bound to have people saying things to him. [19:54] phanes the pedo email thread was...unfortunate [19:54] *reptilian_thrills (~reptilian_thrills@6v8cjbvydcdre.irc) has joined #techrights [19:55] reptilian_thrills i mean if i wanted to talk to simon phipps i could just talk to simon phipps [19:55] reptilian_thrills i dont need this cheap cloying knockoff version [19:55] Helenah pedophilia is very taboo, just talking about it can get you into a lot of shit even if your points are valid and even right. [19:55] phanes he should've had the self awareness to realize what he was stepping into as he explored his morality internally [19:55] reptilian_thrills be careful or youll end up like eric s raymond [19:55] phanes what's wrong with ESR [19:55] Helenah reptilian_thrills: Explain? [19:56] Helenah And what's with the constant stream of vagueness? [19:56] TR News (NEW): Ardour 7.0 Open-Source DAW Released with Clip Launching & Sequencing, Loop Libraries http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Ardour_7_0_Open_Source_DAW_Released_with_Clip_Launching_Sequenc.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Ardour_7_0_Open_Source_DAW_Released_with_Clip_Launching_Sequenc.gmi [19:56] TR Bot Tux Machines Ardour 7.0 Open-Source DAW Released with Clip Launching & Sequencing, Loop Libraries [19:56] TR News (NEW): 6 Top Free and Open Source Rust Web Micro-Frameworks http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/6_Top_Free_and_Open_Source_Rust_Web_Micro_Frameworks.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/6_Top_Free_and_Open_Source_Rust_Web_Micro_Frameworks.gmi [19:56] TR Bot Tux Machines 6 Top Free and Open Source Rust Web Micro-Frameworks [19:56] MinceR (cat) https://www.deviantart.com/furlined/art/King-Of-The-Stump-917243358 [19:56] TR Bot Of The Stump by FurLined on DeviantArt [19:57] Helenah Oh yeah I forgot, I'm just wasting my time asking you questions, you pretend I'm not even here. [19:57] Helenah So the question I asked? It doesn't matter, forget it. [19:57] phanes ive walked into hit jobs where groups were asking questions designed to fabricate a scandal to try to exploit what they would perceive as a moral chink in the armor, but recognized it and responded in a way that revealed their intent [19:58] phanes stallman can't do that [19:58] TR News (NEW): Stable Kernels: Linux 6.0.2, Linux 5.19.16, Linux 5.15.74, Linux 5.10.148, and Linux 5.4.218 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Stable_Kernels_Linux_6_0_2_Linux_5_19_16_Linux_5_15_74_Linux_5_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Stable_Kernels_Linux_6_0_2_Linux_5_19_16_Linux_5_15_74_Linux_5_.gmi [19:58] TR Bot Tux Machines Stable Kernels: Linux 6.0.2, Linux 5.19.16, Linux 5.15.74, Linux 5.10.148, and Linux 5.4.218 [19:58] phanes because he doesn't have the self-awareness and empathy [19:58] phanes this is why I say HFAs struggle with leadership of humans [19:58] TR News (NEW): Tools for Linux Users to Not Miss Out On http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Tools_for_Linux_Users_to_Not_Miss_Out_On.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Tools_for_Linux_Users_to_Not_Miss_Out_On.gmi [19:58] TR Bot Tux Machines Tools for Linux Users to Not Miss Out On [19:58] MinceR so what [19:58] phanes or is rather a great example of why [19:58] MinceR sociopaths lack both too [19:59] MinceR and yet they lead most people [19:59] phanes sociopaths or psychopaths [19:59] MinceR (incredibly badly, but most people don't seem to mind) [19:59] reptilian_thrills its funny how alt-right bullshit is so mainstream now [19:59] MinceR afaict the former [19:59] phanes sociopaths generally tend to destroy themselves before they get too far into a leadership track [19:59] TR News (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Android_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Android_Leftovers.1.gmi [19:59] TR Bot Tux Machines Android Leftovers [19:59] MinceR reptilian_thrills: well, ruscism is mainstream [19:59] reptilian_thrills i mean its the pendulum swing, the pendulum took the fucking dmt ● Oct 15 [20:00] MinceR :) [20:00] Helenah sociopaths and psychopaths can actually be helped with CBT but most don't recognise they have a condition and one needs to recognise things in them are an issue before they'll get help with them. [20:00] reptilian_thrills reptilian_thrills: well, ruscism is mainstream <- fairest point made this week [20:00] Helenah There are success stories out there [20:00] MinceR Cock/Ball Torture? [20:00] *phanes reads CBT as "cock and ball torture" [20:00] reptilian_thrills cognitive behavioural therapy [20:00] phanes haha beat me to it [20:00] reptilian_thrills or sth like that [20:00] Helenah MinceR: It's not ABA, ABA is cruel. [20:00] MinceR there's also "Computer Based Training" but i haven't seen that used in decades... [20:00] phanes what about ABBA? [20:00] Helenah Though sociopathy and psychopathy are usually brought on by a childhood so it can remit when a trauma happens again later in life. [20:00] phanes oh shit my boomer is showing [20:01] reptilian_thrills phanes is to psych what roy is to covid [20:01] reptilian_thrills he should go on tour with ben shapiro [20:01] reptilian_thrills not because of politics, just because of style [20:01] Helenah CBT doesn't force you to be a different person, nor does it dog train you to be a different person. [20:01] Helenah It just teaches you ways on dealing with situations and processing them. [20:01] phanes reptilian_thrills, i grew up being bombarded by psychological theory, dad was a phd in abnormal psych with a minor in philosophy [20:01] Helenah ABA however I compare to dog training. [20:02] MinceR afaik people with ASPD don't _want_ to be different, but they do want you to _believe_ they're different [20:02] reptilian_thrills this whole approach is going to be so dated in a decade or two [20:02] MinceR probably all approaches will be [20:02] phanes Helenah, is 100% right, you can't "teach" a sociopath or narcissist to experience empathy. You can teach them to emulate it and express it, but it's ultimately an experience that is missing. [20:02] reptilian_thrills well its so cloyingly pseudointellectual [20:02] Helenah MinceR: Every ASPD person is an individual though so there are exceptions where the ASPD sufferer has used their own initiative to seek treatments such as CBT. [20:03] reptilian_thrills but its more detail-oriented than pseudointellectualism usually is [20:03] Helenah It's not about making them non-ASPD and it never can do that. [20:03] reptilian_thrills and thats the only thing it brings to the table [20:03] reptilian_thrills but its opponents tend to do the same [20:03] reptilian_thrills so it becomes a giant dick waving contest among giant dicks [20:04] reptilian_thrills but its also completely bullshit, and thats where the novelty has a half-life of about 2 seconds [20:04] *phanes hops on his dick and rides a giant wave across the horizon [20:04] Helenah There is one who spoke of his experience on Youtube and he said he supports the treatment had seeked out arguing it helped him. [20:04] Helenah *he'd [20:04] reptilian_thrills "this argument optimised for youtube and twitter" [20:04] Helenah reptilian_thrills: Do NOT turn this into something it's not! [20:04] MinceR https://files.explosm.net/comics/Kris/running.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/kris-running#comic ) [20:04] TR Bot & Happiness (Explosm.net) [20:04] Helenah I know who you are... [20:05] reptilian_thrills they always think theyre presenting something new [20:05] reptilian_thrills but you can go back 100 years and find the same old bullshit [20:05] reptilian_thrills sometimes its 50, thats close enough too [20:05] phanes the really damaging disorders like NPD, BPD, APD have a really low treatment success rate because the nature of their disorder precludes them from believing they need it. NPD in particular. There are 0 cases of rehabilitated narcissists. [20:05] Helenah reptilian_thrills: All you want to do is tell people they shouldn't have gone to a doctor. [20:05] reptilian_thrills of course if you built the fucking pyramids, thats totally different... [20:05] Helenah And that doctors should never be trusted. [20:06] Helenah I'd be dead now if it wasn't for doctors. [20:06] phanes depends on the doctor [20:06] Helenah I didn't even /whois you, I relied purely on typographical stylometrics. [20:06] Helenah phanes: Yep, it does. [20:06] Helenah But you could say that about anyone whether they work in medical or not. [20:06] phanes most us doctors will watch you die [20:07] phanes some will tinker with you /until/ you die [20:07] phanes there's a quiet credibility crisis happening in expert fields in the united states [20:07] Helenah A doctor of mine told a professor who kept asking for tumour samples "No" arguing to the professor it was too risky. [20:07] phanes so if you find one that really knows their specialization and is saving lives, that's gold that should be recognized [20:08] Helenah Yep agreed [20:08] reptilian_thrills anyway, elitism is the same problem (in practical terms) as cancel culture [20:08] Helenah This doctor put my health before research. [20:08] reptilian_thrills basically you need a certain percentage of humanity on board to fix this bullshit [20:08] Helenah That's good of him. [20:08] phanes it's the same way with cops. every once in a while one of them saves a life. that doesn't detract from the massive LEO culture problem that kills shitloads of people every year. [20:08] reptilian_thrills and elitism and cancel culture are more interested in disqualifying people rather than getting to business [20:08] reptilian_thrills its a distraction-- and that would be fine, but they get stuck there [20:09] reptilian_thrills they dont go back to actually fixing anything [20:09] phanes in all fairness alot of people need disqualified [20:09] phanes its just hardly ever the people that need it [20:09] reptilian_thrills so you end up with a small fraction of the forces needed for "enlightenment" or "tikkun olam" or "progress" or anything like that [20:09] Helenah phanes: Did I show you this https://files.catbox.moe/46lwn4.jpg [20:09] Helenah I think I did [20:09] reptilian_thrills in other words its masturbatory, its self-congratulating [20:09] Helenah but not sure if it was you who responded or MinceR [20:10] phanes the ones that need destroyed often end up having too much control over the narrative when you occassionally destroy them [20:10] reptilian_thrills its very intense navel-gazing [20:10] reptilian_thrills fapping in the mirror [20:10] reptilian_thrills i think its the most boring thing in the world. and we all do it [20:10] phanes Helenah, yeah -- is your tumor malignant? [20:10] reptilian_thrills but some people present it as a solution. its not. [20:10] Helenah phanes: Yep [20:10] Helenah And they've told me it is. [20:11] phanes yank it in a mirror reptilian_thrills? I can truthfully say I don't do that. [20:11] reptilian_thrills its the very reason mincer thinks the world is hopeless [20:11] Helenah And told me that it's very slow progressing, most likely won't kill me. [20:11] reptilian_thrills either way, the world is full of shit [20:11] Helenah But they're going to be doing 2 whole genome sequences [20:11] phanes the world is full of shit [20:11] reptilian_thrills the question is whether its also hopeless (spoiler: its definitely close [20:11] Helenah One of my tumour, one of my saliva then compare the difference [20:11] Helenah they said that it's very new technology, most likely won't return a solution. [20:12] Helenah He said that or he just watch and monitor [20:12] phanes i realized young that i had been lied to about almost everything I knew, and I am still integrating that realization into my worldview today a lie at a time [20:12] reptilian_thrills everyones going to fap in the mirror. some think thats the solution to the worlds problems [20:12] reptilian_thrills hitler did it, stalin did it, the democrats do it, ben shapiro does it [20:12] phanes like [20:12] phanes literally almost everything we are told is a lie [20:13] phanes "diversify your investment portfolio to get rich" [20:13] phanes no [20:13] Helenah phanes: Agreed [20:13] phanes the people that get rich don't diversify [20:13] Helenah phanes: Agreed [20:13] phanes that's what rich people do to /stay/ rich [20:13] phanes the people that get rich go hard into something fairly risky and come out a winner [20:13] Helenah Though they don't have to do it to stay rich. [20:13] reptilian_thrills mjg does it and phanes doesnt get the connection [20:13] reptilian_thrills they should just fuck already [20:14] phanes reptilian_thrills, mjg does what? [20:14] Helenah faps in the mirror [20:14] Helenah apparently [20:14] reptilian_thrills sorry for shipping you with everyone mjg [20:14] Helenah according to reptilian_thrills [20:14] reptilian_thrills its pure rhetoric i swear [20:14] Helenah reptilian_thrills: You really hate my guts, don't you? :) [20:14] Helenah Admit it. [20:14] Helenah It won't hurt me. [20:15] phanes reptilian_thrills, i suspect mjg is a highly impressionable narcissist that is surrounded by much more sinister people that are exploiting that impressionability for their own gains and that when he starts realizing he's just puppeting what his gal's hand up his ass is getting him to say through an indoctrination that we'll all have to witness his trump-like narcissistic collapse [20:16] TR News Linux Foundation Games Social Control Media Sites to Defraud Clients | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/10/15/lf-gaming-social-control-media/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/15/lf-gaming-social-control-media/ [20:16] TR Bot Linux Foundation Games Social Control Media Sites to Defraud Clients | Techrights [20:16] Helenah EQ (Empathy Quotient) by Psychology Tools: [20:16] Helenah Your score was 55 out of a possible 80. [20:16] Helenah Scores above 30 are generally not indicative of an Autism Spectrum disorder. [20:16] Helenah Higher scores indicate greater levels of empathy. [20:16] Helenah About the empathy ^ [20:18] phanes he is in a heteronormative relationship being misrepresented as gender-fluid culture conformance and is puppeting lovecruft's antics to the point that it's nearly destroyed him already. Like, it's in a blind spot right now, but when that guy realizes what's been done to him he's going to have an absolute meltdown. [20:18] TR News E88: Tech Talk w/ Rashad Morton - Senior Software Engineering, Black Tech Cloud Networks Inc. - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=o6H8RZLCoyI | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/o6H8RZLCoyI [20:18] TR Bot E88: Tech Talk w/ Rashad Morton - Senior Software Engineering, Black Tech Cloud Networks Inc. - Invidious [20:19] TR News INTEL code LEAKS, Ubuntu Pro goes free, Nextcloud takes on Google and Apple - Linux + FOSS News - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=om7-QhWHwYk | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/om7-QhWHwYk [20:19] TR Bot INTEL code LEAKS, Ubuntu Pro goes free, Nextcloud takes on Google and Apple - Linux + FOSS News - Invidious [20:19] Helenah phanes: What is your opinion on LGBT+ people? Even talk of the letters individual for more in-depth information. [20:19] Helenah *individually [20:19] phanes Helenah, what's your opinion on CIS people? [20:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [20:20] Helenah What's CIS? [20:20] Helenah Like cisgender? [20:20] TR News 10 Useful lsof Commands in Linux With Examples https://www.linuxcloudvps.com/blog/10-useful-lsof-commands-in-linux-with-examples/ [20:20] TR Bot Useful lsof Commands in Linux With Examples | LinuxCloudVPS Blog [20:20] phanes Helenah, https://www.transhub.org.au/101/cis [20:20] TR Bot What does cis mean? TransHub [20:20] Helenah They're people whose gender is in-lign with some binary social construct. [20:21] Helenah *inlign [20:21] phanes "some" [20:21] Helenah Yeah, they're still individuals [20:21] phanes no not "some" [20:22] Helenah Honestly though giving a kid a doll because they got a vagina is a social construct. [20:22] phanes it's important not to misrepresent the default norm for almost all of human history spanning geos and times as anything but that. [20:22] MinceR Commonwealth of Independent States [20:22] phanes now, granted, it's reprehensible that marketers exploited this -- hence the doll thing [20:23] Helenah Yep, they do exploit it. [20:23] TR News Empirical evidence that Microsoft openwashing and false engagement are being used to make money by diluting the brand Linux http://techrights.org/2022/10/15/lf-gaming-social-control-media/ [20:23] phanes same with christmas [20:23] Helenah There was this boy who liked nail polish [20:23] TR Bot Linux Foundation Games Social Control Media Sites to Defraud Clients | Techrights [20:23] phanes everyone knows santa loves rich kids more than poor kids [20:23] Helenah but hated marketers for marketing it as a girls only thing. [20:23] Helenah Arguing that what marketers are doing just stigmatised him for being a boy who likes nail polish. [20:23] Helenah phanes: Yep [20:25] Helenah I think all these social constructs are doing is creating damaging divides. [20:25] phanes and those gender-reinforcing quirks have always been a thing, too. pink, purple used to be masculine colors, some cultures had men wearing robes or kilts [20:25] MinceR "Of course the Emperor protects! It's just that He protects me better when I'm in a full carapace suit." [20:25] phanes Helenah, no archetypes are extraordinarily important parts of human civilization [20:25] phanes Helenah, that doesn't mean they can't change over time [20:26] Helenah I believe there would be less trans people for example if people weren't placed into one of two groups. [20:26] Helenah Agreed [20:26] MinceR human civilization would be a good idea [20:26] phanes Helenah, its important also to recognize that all of our values around this are culture-specific and time-specific -- in 200 years our descendants will probably find our openness to the current archetypes objectionable (including possible LBQTG+ archetypes) [20:27] MinceR it's incredibly optimistic to think there will be descendants of ours 200 years from now [20:27] phanes we have a tendency to believe we've found the summon bonum, the highest aspiration of ethical perspective in our times, basing that ideal entirely off of contemporary archetypes [20:28] phanes we have always done this [20:28] whitenigga yo dawg, ur shit is dry af [20:28] phanes "the best we know of based on the things we currently know about are the best that it can be" [20:29] phanes whitenigga, dude you don't know dry then, I havent even talked about the categorical imperative or how hegel didn't understand Kant [20:29] TR News (NEW): 10 Most Popular Linux Distros Available Out There in 2022 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/10_Most_Popular_Linux_Distros_Available_Out_There_in_2022.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/10_Most_Popular_Linux_Distros_Available_Out_There_in_2022.gmi [20:29] TR Bot Tux Machines 10 Most Popular Linux Distros Available Out There in 2022 [20:30] whitenigga please dont [20:30] MinceR Don't Repeat Yourself [20:30] MinceR that's the DRY principle [20:30] TR News (NEW): Why Is NixOS Popular Again? http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Why_Is_NixOS_Popular_Again.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Why_Is_NixOS_Popular_Again.gmi [20:30] TR Bot Tux Machines Why Is NixOS Popular Again? [20:31] reptilian_thrills if ive said it once ive said it a thousand times: dont repeat yourself [20:31] TR News Ardour 7.0 released https://ardour.org/whatsnew.html [20:31] TR Bot [20:31] reptilian_thrills its worth saying twice [20:31] Helenah Speaking of repeating... [20:31] *phanes mumbles something about whitenigga's tendency towards glorification of his innately anti-intellectual perspective to try to validate himself in a world that is much more complex than he is prepared to deal with [20:31] TR News [PATCH v2 0/4] Introduction of HP-BIOSCFG driver - Jorge Lopez https://lore.kernel.org/platform-driver-x86/20221014232726.31301-1-jorge.lopez2@hp.com/ [20:31] TR Bot [PATCH v2 0/4] Introduction of HP-BIOSCFG driver - Jorge Lopez [20:31] Helenah My brain goes "WTF" when I read an article and see a paragraph has been used 2 or 3 times at different parts [20:31] Helenah My brain goes "I read it already, why are you a broken record?" lol [20:31] reptilian_thrills if ive said it once, ive said it a million times: dont exaggerate! [20:32] TR News Fujitsu and Japanese Uni want internet 'endorsement layer' - El Reg https://www.theregister.com/2022/10/14/trustable_internet_endorsement_layer/ Source: The Register UK | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.theregister.com/2022/10/14/trustable_internet_endorsement_layer/ [20:32] TR Bot Fujitsu and Japanese Uni want internet 'endorsement layer' The Register [20:32] whitenigga phanes: blah blah blah [20:32] whitenigga ur such a nerd dawh [20:32] whitenigga dawg [20:33] reptilian_thrills the shoe fits [20:33] reptilian_thrills /me pumps it and makes it fit even better [20:33] TR News Bluestar 6.0.1 is out https://sourceforge.net/projects/bluestarlinux/ [20:33] TR Bot download | SourceForge.net [20:33] *phanes hands whitenigga his size 20 shoes and walks away [20:34] TR News BillBC on the competition https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-63082320 [20:34] TR Bot to close Stadia cloud service and refund gamers - BBC News [20:35] whitenigga phanes: nigga please [20:35] whitenigga know what im sayin [20:35] MinceR yet another clown computing success story [20:35] whitenigga gnomisayin [20:35] TR News "Kara Sherrer Contributing Writer"?? No, Webspam for diploma mills. Writer? Maybe. Of SPAM. https://www.techrepublic.com/meet-the-team/us/kara-sherrer/ [20:35] TR Bot Sherrer, Author at TechRepublic [20:36] Helenah phanes, MinceR, :3 https://files.catbox.moe/g5zhp2.jpg [20:36] phanes whitenigga, no i don't know what im saying, your dialog is mostly grunts and appeals to a mindset that represents deliberate degeneracy and belongs in a field doing manual labor [20:37] Helenah That one is CT. [20:37] Helenah Though they won't give me many of them unless they absolutely need them and also won't give me any of them if they think the risks of the scan outweigh the risks of my cancer. [20:37] MinceR Helenah: yeah, and it also has your name on it [20:37] Helenah MinceR: It's everywhere anyway. [20:38] starstreak [20:38] Helenah starstreak: Hi [20:38] phanes Helenah, i have often wondered how many people walk around with serious medical conditions they don't know about because our medicine has only just barely begun to advance and is stunted by our current research models [20:38] MinceR and age [20:38] starstreak Helenah, hi :) [20:38] Helenah phanes: Well people don't realise they're developing microcancers all the time, most of which are nothing. [20:38] Helenah MinceR: That's everywhere [20:39] MinceR we will develop nanocancer [20:39] Helenah Hi hi starstreak :D [20:39] Helenah Cells can escape apoptosis. [20:39] phanes Helenah, we need to be talking to more sociologists and statisticians about cancer :P [20:39] Helenah and then pass on the reason why they were able to escape it in the first place onto new cells. [20:39] Helenah Which also do the same thing [20:39] AdmFubar mhttps://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/10/how-a-microsoft-blunder-opened-millions-of-pcs-to-potent-malware-attacks/ [20:39] Helenah next thing you have this ever growing mass [20:40] Helenah That just is too stubborn to give up [20:40] Helenah phanes: Yep [20:40] starstreak hi hi Helenah :) [20:41] whitenigga starstreak: i just read everything on your site and thats some crazy shit dawg [20:41] whitenigga nice artwork though [20:42] Helenah whitenigga: You think you're cool, don't you? [20:42] Helenah Well you're not. [20:42] Helenah So STOP acting like you are! [20:42] whitenigga starstreak: you deserve the CrazyNigga award [20:42] Helenah Infact just do whatever you want, I'm merely expressing. [20:43] phanes Helenah, the world needs people who can clean hotel rooms and flip burgers too, it's one of the foundational layers of society [20:43] whitenigga Helenah: i know im cool, gnomisayin [20:43] Helenah whitenigga: People who claim they "know" they are cool are most likely not cool. [20:43] Helenah You can wear shades, it doesn't make you cool. [20:43] whitenigga Helenah: did you wake up and drink haterade dawg? [20:43] Helenah phanes: Yep [20:44] Helenah whitenigga: I'm not hating anyone and redact the "dawg". [20:44] Helenah I'm no dawg. [20:44] Helenah Infact do as you please, I'm just merely expressing. [20:45] whitenigga alright girl sorry [20:45] Helenah There's no need to apologise. :) [20:46] Helenah You don't realise it today, but you will realise it tomorrow. Right now you probably think I'm merely digging at you but tomorrow you will realise that I wasn't digging at you, wasn't hating you or anything like that, I was sending a subtle warning that this "cool act" of yours will backfire back onto you. [20:47] Helenah And it won't be me doing the backfiring, it will be some outwardly spoken other person. [20:47] TR News TechRepublic (ZDNet Sister Site) a Pusher of Diploma Mills, Roping in Linux Today | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/10/15/diploma-mills-in-techrepublic/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/15/diploma-mills-in-techrepublic/ [20:48] TR Bot TechRepublic (ZDNet Sister Site) a Pusher of Diploma Mills, Roping in Linux Today | Techrights [20:48] phanes it reminds me of when the boss's kid stumbles into the board meeting and starts asking questions, and most of the people just politely entertain the outbursts and non-relevant questions [20:48] phanes meanwhile 3/4 of the room is looking around to see who's going to wheel him back to the reception lobby so they can wrap up the meeting [20:48] phanes they don't hate the kid [20:48] Helenah Yep, often people approach things politely, even passively and then one day they say something. [20:48] phanes he just needs to be in the toy room [20:49] Helenah Plenty of people probably tolerated whitenigga's cool acts without whitenigga even realise that's happening, one of these people will some day say something to him. [20:49] phanes im pretty vocal about it [20:50] Helenah Believe me, I had a teacher called Mr Ramsden, I called him Mr Ramsbottom for 2 years before he finally backfired against me. [20:50] phanes most of my backlash from when i was an arrogant teenager was internal tbh [20:51] phanes remembering a teacher who had a neck vein that i poked on a dare who was genuinely just passionately trying to teach high schoolers about earth science [20:51] phanes alot of people have a fuckhead phase [20:52] TR News Conan package manager compiled in OE https://bkhome.org/news/202210/conan-package-manager-compiled-in-oe.html [20:52] TR Bot Conan package manager compiled in OE [20:52] Helenah I bet he didn't like that. [20:52] phanes she didn't and acted like she didn't notice [20:52] Helenah OH she woops sorry [20:52] phanes i was like 15 and took the non-response as weakness instead of ignoring the fuckhead so she could teach the class [20:53] Helenah Most teachers in my school days were women btw. [20:53] Helenah rarely any men. [20:53] phanes whitenigga, gnoimsayin? [20:53] Helenah It was soo one gender and less of the other. [20:54] whitenigga phanes: its gnomisayin [20:54] Helenah I wouldn't be surprised if it has something to do with men scared of working with kids. [20:56] *starstreak has quit (Quit: Leaving) [20:56] TR News Ubuntu Once Again Angered Users by Placing Ads in the Terminal http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/13/Canonical_displays_controversial_ad_in_shell_update_prog.shtml [20:56] TR Bot Tux Machines Canonical displays controversial 'ad' in shell update prog (UDPATEDx2) [20:57] Helenah Society seems to find it soo easy to accuse men of being potentially dangerous. [20:58] phanes in all fairness we are [20:58] Helenah Yet women are just as capable. [20:58] phanes yep [20:58] TR News Canonica: Ubuntu is CentOS and you need "Pro" for RealValue(R). Also, Ubuntu means "Debian with ads". [20:58] Helenah I've watched a woman rag the hair of another woman in college, it took 5 members of staff 2 of them being security guards to get her off the other person while the other person was screaming out in pain. [20:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 25.60 k/sec., IPFS upstream 105.53 average k/sec., average swarm size 142.66 [20:59] Helenah It wasn't as simple as getting her off when she's hold of someones hair. [20:59] phanes oh some women are vicious to each other in ways most men can't learn to be [20:59] Helenah Agreed [20:59] phanes especially high school and college ● Oct 15 [21:00] phanes those girls were just absolute demons to each other [21:00] Helenah Yep, I was eating my dinner at the time when a load of thuds suddenly started behind me, it shat me up. [21:00] phanes the dudes would beat each other up occassionally but the girls were like psychological warfare [21:00] Helenah a load of computers went flying off the desk including one I was on... [21:00] Helenah I well freaked out... lol [21:00] Helenah That's cause she had dragged this girl onto the desk, pinned her down to it and started ragging out her hair. [21:01] phanes what is "ragging" [21:01] phanes i dont know that term [21:01] Helenah phanes: Pulling it out but with a repetitive tugging action [21:01] Helenah I can do it too [21:01] Helenah it hurts the most [21:01] Helenah Yes I've actually done it myself... [21:01] phanes thats horrible [21:01] Helenah I'm guilty of it [21:01] schestowitz[TR] also in workspaces [21:01] Helenah that was once and one time only in high school [21:01] Helenah but what I did was nothing in comparison to this... [21:02] Helenah This just left a room in trash... [21:02] phanes some of the girls i went to high school and college with were at like war with each other, not like beat each other up war but pretend to make up and be friends long enough to seduce boyfriend + dad [21:02] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [21:02] Helenah Damn [21:03] TR News TP-Link network equipment hijacks some DNS requests https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/tplink-dns-hijacking.html [21:03] TR Bot TP-Link network equipment hijacks some DNS requests | Ctrl blog [21:03] Helenah Also women are better at doing social manipulation. [21:03] Helenah I'm saying all this as a woman. [21:03] Helenah I'm honest. [21:03] phanes some are yes [21:03] phanes i was caught in the web of a black widow once and had to lose a couple limbs to get out [21:03] phanes it practically defined my 20s and im still processing it [21:04] phanes that was my first exposure to NPD [21:04] phanes she was diagnosed by our couples therapist shortly before all hell broke loose [21:05] TR News This is a security problem only if the malware gets to the system in the first place https://www.scmagazine.com/analysis/threat-intelligence/researchers-detail-new-c2-attack-framework-targeting-windows-macos-and-linux [21:05] TR Bot Researchers detail new C2 attack framework targeting Windows, macOS and Linux | SC Media [21:05] phanes therapist calls me out for a quick meeting and is politely trying to warn me to get very far away very fast [21:05] phanes i didn't listen because i didn't know how the disorder worked yet [21:05] Helenah Oh dear [21:05] phanes yeah my guts are all over maine [21:05] Helenah They have what I call a "grapple hook", it's their first thing they do [21:06] Helenah So once they have you hooked to them, bonded tight [21:06] Helenah They then manipulated the fuck out of you [21:06] Helenah *manipulate [21:06] phanes in all fairness we were engaged and living together and by the time I realized what was going on it was already way too scary and painful to avoid any damage [21:06] Helenah hmm [21:06] phanes like the social isolation was so subtle that i didn't even realize i was isolated until it was way too late [21:07] Helenah I don't blame you for not listening at first, you probably didn't have any idea if it was ridiculous or not. [21:07] phanes i didn't even know people could think like that back then [21:08] phanes and appear to be normal [21:08] Helenah I've encountered narcissists too but because of my brick wall barrier that seems to go up against them, they then try to use a proxy person to get to me. [21:08] phanes yeah i didn't have any of that [21:08] phanes i spent like 15 years trying to expose what she was doing to me [21:09] phanes they have a way of going to other people in the web and pretexting anything you might say [21:09] Helenah So did she already have an NPD diagnosis or was it picked up on, I assume when talking to her without you present? [21:09] Helenah That's a psychological tactic [21:09] Helenah speak to both together, then each one individually separately [21:10] phanes yep [21:10] Helenah To see how they change [21:10] phanes it was after individual sessions [21:10] Helenah And she would've said a right load of things in the comforts of a therapist she wouldn't say to you. [21:10] phanes together i was the demon [21:10] phanes yep [21:10] phanes exactly [21:10] phanes horrible shit [21:10] Helenah This is where therapists are crafty. [21:10] Helenah They know how to get the information they want out of peoples brains. [21:10] TR News (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/today_s_howtos.2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/today_s_howtos.2.gmi [21:11] TR Bot Tux Machines today's howtos [21:11] Helenah It's a good thing, you got a warning because of it. [21:11] phanes eh, i just wish i knew now back then the damage wouldn't have been anywhere near as severe [21:11] phanes *just wish i knew then what i know now [21:12] phanes the "storm" that comes with that kind of split i was just not prepared for [21:12] Helenah Believe me though, how you approached what was warned to you is normal btw. [21:13] phanes you're right about using proxies as weapons [21:13] phanes it was everybody man [21:14] phanes i tell ya what though [21:15] Helenah narcissists are never satisfied with themselves and what they have, they will always see what others have and how they are as better than themself and their own things. So if they take physical things from you for example keeping a hold of your debit card like what they want is one of your personality attributes which they can't just take, it's inside you [21:15] Helenah then they will abuse the shit out of you for those good attributes [21:15] phanes that whole saga prepared me like crazy for both the corporate world and f/oss shit [21:15] Helenah Like I said "grapple hook", they put on a charm and get you close and get you comfortable [21:15] phanes because tech is unnaturally saturated with cluster Bs [21:15] Helenah Then the devil comes out to play with you [21:15] TR News TypiCMS: a Modular Open-source CMS based on Laravel https://medevel.com/typicms/ [21:15] TR Bot TypiCMS: a Modular Open-source CMS based on Laravel [21:15] Helenah phanes: That's true [21:16] phanes i can spot them a mile away these days [21:16] phanes i have some trouble with the covert subtype [21:16] phanes they can get under my radar for a while [21:16] TR News G-Droid: An Alternative Android Store for Open Source apps https://medevel.com/g-droid/ Source: Medevel | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//medevel.com/g-droid/ [21:16] TR Bot G-Droid: An Alternative Android Store for Open Source apps [21:17] TR News "Recently Ive worked a lot with multithreading and wanted to share a very simple but useful tool. However, Qt-experts wont be surprised." https://lnj.gitlab.io/post/running-lambdas-on-a-thread-with-qt/ [21:17] TR Bot Runnning lambda functions on a specific thread with Qt - Linus Jahn [21:18] Helenah Btw, I met my gf on IRC like... 8 years ago and a month into our relationship, some dimwhit on IRC basically warned her that I'm a narcissist and that she should get away from them asap. My gf didn't listen and is still with me 8 years on finding that what was told her wasn't true... [21:18] phanes sounds like a rival tried to do a role reversal [21:18] Helenah Apparently I was coming across as "charming" [21:18] Helenah Which I'll admit I was [21:18] Helenah because well she was new [21:19] Helenah and the love was new... [21:19] TR News (NEW): Plasma 5.26 and Plasma Mobile Gear 22.09 in Manjaro ARM http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Plasma_5_26_and_Plasma_Mobile_Gear_22_09_in_Manjaro_ARM.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Plasma_5_26_and_Plasma_Mobile_Gear_22_09_in_Manjaro_ARM.gmi [21:19] TR Bot Tux Machines Plasma 5.26 and Plasma Mobile Gear 22.09 in Manjaro ARM [21:19] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #techrights [21:19] phanes mine tried to do that a couple times but you can just wait it out and shit becomes apparent if the sabotage of the narcissist doesn't work immediately. the ones that hurt is when they sabotage with something you didn't see them say, but you know they said something, and the person they said it to just disappears over it [21:19] reptilian_thrills wb [21:20] Helenah hmm [21:20] starstreak reptilian_thrills, thanks [21:20] phanes which is frequent and unfortunate but is just part of life after you get out of a narcissist's control [21:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [21:20] Helenah Yep I walked away from a narcsissist [21:20] Helenah I was putting my barrier up against her which she couldn't break [21:21] phanes grey rock? [21:21] schestowitz[TR] https://imgur.com/gallery/fRoVq [21:21] TR Bot Narcissists Prayer - Album on Imgur [21:21] Helenah to the point she was telling my girlfriend behind my back "You see those alien statues over there? It's like I'm talking to one of those with her" [21:21] Helenah Yep she had human sized alien statues... in her living room which was too small for even a sofa... [21:21] Helenah lol [21:21] starstreak lol wut [21:22] Helenah starstreak: She couldn't get through to my mind. [21:22] Helenah So she compared me to her statues behind my back. [21:22] Helenah Then not long after... [21:22] Helenah my gf broke up with me TWICE [21:22] phanes Helenah, im still on the fence about whether they believe the things they say or if its a largely subconscious thing the really manipulative ones are doing [21:22] Helenah and I had no idea why but she was telling me I was a child, I was lazy [21:22] Helenah and that I was using her for everything [21:22] Helenah and I was like "Woah woah woah where is this coming from?" [21:22] reptilian_thrills /me counts the desks [21:23] Helenah Eventually found out the narcissist had stuck all that in her head... [21:23] phanes like if you listen to what theyre saying about you long enough you can see how they arrived at that but also can see that's broken and distorted, but it gives the impression they believe it [21:23] TR News You Can Now Install TUXEDO OS on a Regular Computer: Heres How http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/06/TUXEDO_Computers_Releases_Live_ISO_of_Its_Ubuntu_Based_TUXEDO_O.shtml [21:23] TR Bot Tux Machines TUXEDO Computers Releases Live ISO of Its Ubuntu-Based TUXEDO OS Linux Distro [21:23] Helenah phanes: They believe it. [21:23] Helenah I'm telling you, they believe it. [21:23] phanes i think sometimes they do [21:24] phanes other times its so obviously a lie that im just like "i know even you don't believe that" [21:24] Helenah Though yeah, probably some expert manipulators take it further [21:24] Helenah She didn't know me [21:25] Helenah She knew me for a MONTH [21:25] Helenah and already she was trying to get into my life which didn't work because of the barrier [21:25] Helenah she opened my girlfriend right up though like she took a scapal to her... [21:25] phanes after a while i started to realize that these people do not have internal compasses for truth and that the things they say are just kind of an amalgamation of defense mechanisms in a broken mind that is so overcompensating for having no foundation that its enough just to give the appearance of normalcy for them [21:25] Helenah not literally scalpal, it's metaphorical. [21:25] TR News "In this video I cover several difficult to understanding programming concepts to help you gain some new clarity." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=loGWCJGmv7Q [21:25] TR Bot Difficult Programming Concepts Explained - Invidious [21:26] Helenah Well this is how she came across to my gf was "normal" and "genuine" [21:26] Helenah but I could see right through it [21:26] Helenah my gf was befriending a devil [21:26] Helenah but saw a cuddly kitten. [21:26] phanes i do know this though: they think it's funny [21:26] phanes at some level they get genuine enjoyment from the damage they cause [21:27] Helenah I have no front. If you ever met me in real life then what you see is what you get and how it actually is. [21:27] TR News NetBSD Blog http://blog.netbsd.org/tnf/entry/netbsd_arm_on_oracle_cloud Source: NetBSD | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?http%3A//blog.netbsd.org/tnf/entry/netbsd_arm_on_oracle_cloud [21:27] TR Bot NetBSD Blog [21:27] Helenah And you will really love that honesty. [21:27] phanes Helenah, i am much more agreeable in person than on IRC [21:27] phanes alot of folks i butt heads with on IRC i end up making friends with in person at conventions [21:28] Helenah Sometimes I'll agree to avoid argument and confrontation [21:28] TR News "The MyDeal site is hosted by Amazon in the US, according to Internet services company Netcraft, and appears to use ASP.NET, technology sold by Microsoft." https://itwire.com/security/woolworths-subsidiary-mydeal-suffers-data-breach,-2-2m-users-affected.html [21:28] TR Bot - Woolworths subsidiary MyDeal suffers data breach, 2.2m users affected [21:28] Helenah You want to know what made this narcissist 10 times worse towards my gf about me? [21:28] Helenah Is the fact I stood up, had a right yelling at her, slammed her doors on the way out. [21:29] Helenah Middle finger apparently went up behind my back followed by calling me a child, I was told this later. [21:29] phanes i had to avoid all of that because any sign or expression of anger was used as a weapon against me to support a big scary man narrative as she was trying to find someone who could be worked up into assaulting me [21:29] Helenah She got anger once and most the time blanks instead of what she wanted. [21:29] phanes that didn't start until after the split [21:29] phanes s/split/discard/ [21:30] phanes by the time the hoover came around i had processed enough to realize what was going on and had educated myself some on the patterns [21:30] phanes whole thing backfired on her a bit [21:30] Helenah I yelled on the way out "YOU DO NOT KNOW ME SO STOP TRYING TO INTERFERE WITH MY LIFE, YOU WONT GET TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ME THROUGH ME" [21:30] TR News The above are only some among more fake articles found when searching for Linux; theyre not actually articles, theyre more like a network of spamfarms; these ZDNet ads already taint news sites as noted before http://techrights.org/2022/10/15/diploma-mills-in-techrepublic/ [21:31] TR Bot TechRepublic (ZDNet Sister Site) a Pusher of Diploma Mills, Roping in Linux Today | Techrights [21:31] TR News (NEW): TUXEDO Computers Releases Live ISO of Its Ubuntu-Based TUXEDO OS Linux Distro http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/06/TUXEDO_Computers_Releases_Live_ISO_of_Its_Ubuntu_Based_TUXEDO_O.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/06/TUXEDO_Computers_Releases_Live_ISO_of_Its_Ubuntu_Based_TUXEDO_O.gmi [21:31] TR Bot Tux Machines TUXEDO Computers Releases Live ISO of Its Ubuntu-Based TUXEDO OS Linux Distro [21:31] *parsifal_ has quit (Quit: Leaving) [21:32] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@hi99dmvtfyew8.irc) has joined #techrights [21:32] Helenah I never saw her again. [21:32] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], Walmart is starting to really piss me off. [21:32] Helenah I opted for avoidance at all costs. [21:32] schestowitz[TR] sstarting? [21:32] Helenah DaemonFC: So don't shop there then, it's your choice. [21:32] schestowitz[TR] we boycott asda just because walmart owns it... since it began owning it [21:32] phanes Helenah, i would like very much to hold that one accountable but am unclear on any means to do so [21:32] DaemonFC Every year they try to bump up Mandy's 401(k) contribution by 1% of his pay, without asking, and you have to go in and select "NO CHANGE". I already have it set at 6%, which is the most they will match. [21:33] DaemonFC This year they did it, YET AGAIN. [21:33] phanes i have a very deeply engrained sense of and desire for justice that is left in wanting [21:33] Helenah DaemonFC: They are getting to you and hurting your head. [21:33] schestowitz[TR] they have like 2 million workers [21:33] schestowitz[TR] if they screw them for $1k a year that's 2 billion more iin profits [21:34] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@22agg6qj8dxhg.irc) has joined #techrights [21:34] reptilian_thrills if they screw them for $1k a year that's 2 billion more iin profit <- thats okay, phanes will teach a few of them how to be morally upstanding [21:34] reptilian_thrills which seems to consist mostly of talking on the internet about how youre smarter than everyone else [21:34] Helenah Sometimes I can get firey at my gf phanes I'll admit [21:35] Helenah But it rarely happens [21:35] reptilian_thrills and how you dont believe in revolution because its dumb [21:35] phanes there's nothing wrong with being angry [21:35] TR News Free Software Foundation Does Not Endorse Debian! - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=eJ3JxwQl7OM | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/eJ3JxwQl7OM [21:35] TR Bot Free Software Foundation Does Not Endorse Debian! - Invidious [21:35] Helenah Well like the cat going on my surfaces and knocking everything on the floor and her never doing anything about it is my biggest gripe at the moment... [21:35] phanes what you do when you are angry is whether your anger is a problem or not [21:35] Helenah And she's like "Well it's a cat" [21:35] reptilian_thrills fake revolution is better. everyone line up and blow george, look at his cool hat! [21:35] Helenah and I'm like "Well everything is still going on the floor all the time and you will never pick it up, ever" [21:36] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], Anything more than they match is a liability. [21:36] Helenah Cats shouldn't be on surfaces. [21:36] DaemonFC We're already maxing out the match and the IRS SAVERS CREDIT. [21:36] DaemonFC So there's no reason to put even $1 more into this thing. [21:36] Helenah But that aside... [21:36] schestowitz[TR] yes, the match is the sole incentive [21:36] Helenah We deeply love each other [21:36] Helenah Our love is strong [21:36] schestowitz[TR] your own contribution might never come back to you [21:37] schestowitz[TR] it's there to cushion a dying economy with gambling [21:37] schestowitz[TR] people setting aside future money to ganble on a syramid scheme and prop it up [21:38] TR News (NEW): Videos: Debian, Programming Concepts, FOSS News, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Videos_Debian_Programming_Concepts_FOSS_News_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Videos_Debian_Programming_Concepts_FOSS_News_and_More.gmi [21:38] TR Bot Tux Machines Videos: Debian, Programming Concepts, FOSS News, and More [21:40] Helenah phanes: https://files.catbox.moe/ukvv3c.jpg [21:41] *oarion7 (~anonymous@user/oarion7) has joined #techrights [21:41] reptilian_thrills https://yewtu.be/watch?v=-5Ae-LhMIG0 [21:41] TR Bot Future Islands - Seasons (Waiting On You) (Official Video) - Invidious [21:41] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: https://files.catbox.moe/ukvv3c.jpg [21:41] phanes Helenah, interesting. I'm also O- [21:41] phanes D3, huh [21:41] Helenah Though I've just had to tell someone vitamins are not toys and shouldn't just be taken blindly as they were considering to do just that, take it blindly. [21:41] Helenah Which means unknowingly overdosing on vitamins [21:41] schestowitz[TR] Helenah: trying to understand that [21:42] Helenah thinking they're some magical health pills [21:42] Helenah and they're not [21:42] phanes yeah you gotta be careful with alot of that [21:42] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: It's for the reward system of the brain [21:42] Helenah I was unknowingly chasing dopamine [21:42] Helenah phanes: I've known people buy multivitamins to take and they just take them, no blood test, no nothing. [21:42] phanes i played with my serotonin and dopamine systems a little in my mid-20s and had some good results but i also knew more about that kind of stuff back then [21:42] Helenah It is annoying! [21:43] phanes it also wasn't sustainable [21:43] schestowitz[TR] exercise [21:43] phanes i had a potassium deficiency a few years back that almost killed me [21:43] Helenah phanes: I'm forcing my system to produce more. [21:44] phanes they didn't notice until i was in like stage 2 hypertension [21:44] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: It's not exercise that's needed. [21:44] schestowitz[TR] sometimes I make many typos here before I stanb and/or do light exercise [21:44] Helenah Because what happens in my case is... [21:44] Helenah One the surge of dopamine is produced [21:44] Helenah it's taken further around the brain [21:44] schestowitz[TR] endorphin [21:44] Helenah so it's flushed out immediately [21:44] Helenah but my endorphines aren't the problem. [21:44] schestowitz[TR] like I said, not my area [21:45] schestowitz[TR] i'm not a medical doctor, just a phd [21:45] Helenah Ah [21:45] Helenah Me neither [21:45] TR News (NEW): Android: Trekarta, Digital Wallets, and G-Droid http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Android_Trekarta_Digital_Wallets_and_G_Droid.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Android_Trekarta_Digital_Wallets_and_G_Droid.gmi [21:45] phanes ya gotta be careful with sero and dopa systems, if you produce too much of one the other can shut off [21:45] TR Bot Tux Machines Android: Trekarta, Digital Wallets, and G-Droid [21:45] Helenah phanes: Yep [21:45] schestowitz[TR] anyway, exercise helps feel good and also does good to the body [21:45] phanes your brain has all these regulatory functions that are not well understood [21:45] Helenah Interesting fact, Psychopaths produce too much oxytocin. [21:45] Helenah Way more than what they need [21:45] Helenah it's a cuddly love hormone BUT [21:46] Helenah It can make you a monster if it's high all the time [21:46] phanes you also have to treat those systems like a circuit, just making more dopa or sero doesn't mean your uptake or consumption in the brain is doing what you think it is [21:46] phanes you can numb out those receptors by overproducing [21:47] phanes which then triggers other regulatory functions [21:47] phanes this is why I believe SSRIs are dangerous and should never be used [21:47] TR News (NEW): Security Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Security_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Security_Leftovers.gmi [21:47] TR Bot Tux Machines Security Leftovers [21:47] Helenah That's fact with with all nutrient. [21:48] reptilian_thrills thats what she said [21:48] Helenah altering the level of one affects the level of others [21:48] Helenah either through your body not producing enough of it [21:48] Helenah or through your body not absorbing enough of it [21:48] Helenah Same goes for other things too [21:48] schestowitz[TR] deficiency can be fixed [21:48] schestowitz[TR] supplements [21:48] schestowitz[TR] excess is another issue [21:48] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: Yes but [21:48] Helenah that's not listening to what we're saying [21:49] Helenah Like apparently vitamin C reduces the effectiveness of ADHD meds [21:49] schestowitz[TR] o [21:49] Helenah That's resorting to the "supplement" idea [21:49] phanes if someone has a balanced diet and a deficiency there's usually another cause [21:49] Helenah that everyone buys into [21:49] schestowitz[TR] heredetary [21:49] Helenah with no proper basis to why they're doing it [21:49] phanes this whole idea of a "chemical imbalance" without an external cause seems dubious and dangerous to me [21:49] schestowitz[TR] *hereditary [21:49] Helenah Yep [21:49] Helenah phanes: Agreed [21:49] Helenah Like I said, I checked things out. [21:49] Helenah most people don't [21:50] Helenah I went at it seeing it as experimental too [21:50] Helenah so I wasn't blinding myself [21:50] Helenah Anyway, I feel better. [21:50] phanes like when i had a potassium deficiency it i was actually having kidney issues because of a supplement i was taking [21:50] Helenah hmm [21:50] Helenah Yep [21:50] phanes so, sure, supplementation with potassium helped [21:50] Helenah aldosterone [21:50] phanes but i needed to stop taking the supplement causing the problem [21:50] Helenah it regulates sodium and potassium [21:51] Helenah If your kidneys can't maintain aldosterone levels then your sodium and possassium levels will be wrong [21:51] Helenah You may end up peeing it all out or not peeing enough [21:51] reptilian_thrills part of being morally upstanding is knowing who is (naturally) better than everyone else [21:51] reptilian_thrills like from birth [21:51] Helenah aldosterone helps you retain water too [21:51] Helenah so you don't flush too much out in one go [21:52] phanes reptilian_thrills, "better" sounds like bullshit [21:52] reptilian_thrills i know it sounds like some colonial bullshit, but actually its really so fucking profound [21:52] phanes who is "better" than everyone else? blonde haired, blue eyed aryans? [21:52] schestowitz[TR] pro tip: never give any medical mdetails online [21:52] Helenah I at current have no latest work on my aldosterone levels phanes [21:53] phanes the concept that some people are better than everyone else is at the core of most of society's problems tbh [21:53] reptilian_thrills especially to bill gates [21:53] reptilian_thrills or github, through your university [21:53] Helenah And... BAM! [21:53] schestowitz[TR] bully de blanc poudly said she was bipolar [21:53] Helenah Urea and electrolytes: [21:53] phanes and always has been [21:53] Helenah Name Result Normal Range [21:53] Helenah Serum sodium 141 mmol/L 133 - 146 mmol/L [21:53] Helenah Serum potassium 4.2 mmol/L 3.5 - 5.3 mmol/L [21:54] Helenah Serum urea level 4.6 mmol/L 2.5 - 7.8 mmol/L [21:54] schestowitz[TR] to brag her solutoion was "open source" [21:54] Helenah Serum creatinine 78 umol/L 45 - 84 umol/L [21:54] Helenah GFR calculated abbreviated MDRD > 90 ml/min/1.73sqm N/A [21:54] schestowitz[TR] of course this was later used against her [21:54] schestowitz[TR] there are strong data protection laws for medical data for very good reasons [21:54] schestowitz[TR] and special elevated status to medical info of high-porofile well-kknown people [21:55] schestowitz[TR] the regimes ned to remind people [21:55] *phanes is pretty sure D3 supplementation would increase a cornucopia of cancer risks btw [21:55] schestowitz[TR] your medical privacys is a right [21:55] schestowitz[TR] and giving it away is only your own fault [21:55] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [21:56] schestowitz[TR] there are many reasons not to discuss that, esp. not online [21:56] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: I don't mind giving it away... [21:56] schestowitz[TR] to a friend = one person [21:56] schestowitz[TR] online=anyone [21:56] Helenah I want to go into the grave with it all given away... [21:56] reptilian_thrills of course this was later used against her <- yeah i dont think pocock had the right [21:56] schestowitz[TR] Helenah: yes, but you are not obliged to [21:56] DaemonFC They're offering Critical Illness insurance. [21:56] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: Correct [21:57] schestowitz[TR] and youi need to give it away only once [21:57] schestowitz[TR] and the cat is out of the bag [21:57] schestowitz[TR] the paste our of the tube [21:57] Helenah Serum prolactin level: [21:57] Helenah Name Result Normal Range [21:57] Helenah Serum prolactin level 544 mU/L < 496 mU/L [21:57] Helenah :D [21:57] Helenah haha [21:58] TR News Get stock and crypto price data using shell terminal on Linux https://linuxconfig.org/fetch-stock-quotes-with-perl-finance-quote-module [21:58] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://linuxconfig.org/fetch-stock-quotes-with-perl-finance-quote-module ) [21:58] Helenah You guys want genetic information too? :D [21:58] Helenah lol [21:58] schestowitz[TR] "UPLOAD YOUR DATA" [21:58] DaemonFC It says it's a Section 125 plan, under the tax code. That means I can deduct his premiums over the year from our taxable income. $20,000 lump sum payment in the event of a diagnosis of certain illnesses, plus some other benefits thrown in for $2.22 a pay period. ($1.11 per week). So like $57.72 per year. Plus, that's a top-line income tax deduction. [21:58] phanes i have deliberately avoided being genetically profiled [21:58] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: :D [21:58] DaemonFC Not a terrible offer. [21:58] schestowitz[TR] Along the lines of *Show us your tits" [not me] [21:58] schestowitz[TR] (meme) [21:59] Helenah phanes: Lol there are like too many copies of my genome out there to even count! [21:59] schestowitz[TR] some people uploaded theirt DNA data [21:59] Helenah What choice do I have? [21:59] Helenah lol [21:59] schestowitz[TR] it was later used against their relatives [21:59] reptilian_thrills /me finds some nice pictures of tits for roy [21:59] reptilian_thrills dont worry, i saw them in a tree [21:59] schestowitz[TR] they wanted to find relatives or somethiing [21:59] schestowitz[TR] or "help science" [21:59] schestowitz[TR] they helped police [21:59] schestowitz[TR] and hurt their loved ones ● Oct 15 [22:00] *GNUmoon2 has quit (connection closed) [22:00] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: I have research grade genome sequencing. [22:00] Helenah whole genome [22:00] schestowitz[TR] https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/uncle-sam-wants-your-dna-fbi%E2%80%99s-diabolical-plan-create-nation-suspects [22:00] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@w432nk8im23p8.irc) has joined #techrights [22:00] TR Bot Uncle Sam Wants Your DNA: The FBIs Diabolical Plan to Create a Nation of Suspects | River Cities' Reader [22:00] phanes https://imagebin.ca/v/6yaVcYHPAdBW [22:00] TR Bot Imagebin - Somewhere to Store Random Things [22:00] schestowitz[TR] https://www.americanbar.org/groups/judicial/publications/judges_journal/2020/spring/if-you-think-your-dna-anonymous-think-again/ [22:01] TR Bot If You Think Your DNA Is Anonymous, Think Again! [22:01] schestowitz[TR] https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-05029-9 [22:01] TR Bot The ethics of catching criminals using their familys DNA [22:01] schestowitz[TR] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/27/magazine/dna-test-crime-identification-genome.html [22:01] TR Bot How Your DNA Test Could Send a Relative to Jail - The New York Times [22:01] reptilian_thrills if-you-think-your-dna-anonymous <- how the fuck could it be [22:01] schestowitz[TR] https://www.zdnet.com/article/home-dna-kit-company-asks-you-to-upload-your-family-tree-for-the-fbi/ [22:01] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: You are telling me this like I went to a website and bought a saliva kit... [22:01] TR Bot DNA kit company asks you to upload your family tree for the FBI | ZDNET [22:01] schestowitz[TR] https://futurism.com/neoscope/man-charged-rape-uploading-dna-ancestry [22:01] TR Bot Man Charged With Rape After Uploading His DNA to Ancestry Site [22:01] Helenah I haven't spent a single penny... [22:01] reptilian_thrills its like a username you can never change, or unlink from yourself [22:01] DaemonFC "Partners generally do not qualify as spouses or dependents [22:01] DaemonFC for federal income tax purposes. Therefore, the value of [22:01] DaemonFC companyprovided medical (including the HRA) coverage [22:01] DaemonFC that relates to your partner, or your partners children, is [22:01] DaemonFC generally considered imputed income and taxable to you" [22:01] DaemonFC Sounds like Matt GULAG should step on it and get married. [22:02] DaemonFC For tax purposes. [22:02] reptilian_thrills biometric data isnt a password, its a username [22:02] DaemonFC While he bangs everyone at the open sores conference. [22:02] phanes DaemonFC, that would be un-anarchist to get married, and it also makes him less disposable so she'd never go for it [22:02] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: You are telling me this like I went to a website and bought a saliva kit... [22:02] schestowitz[TR] (NEW): Tools for Linux Users to Not Miss Out On http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Tools_for_Linux_Users_to_Not_Miss_Out_On.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Tools_for_Linux_Users_to_Not_Miss_Out_On.gmi [22:02] Helenah I haven't spent a single penny... [22:03] TR Bot Tux Machines Tools for Linux Users to Not Miss Out On [22:03] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: You are telling me this like I went to a website and bought a saliva kit... [22:03] Helenah I haven't spent a single penny... [22:03] Helenah lol [22:03] schestowitz[TR] Tools for Linux Users to Not Miss Out On [22:03] schestowitz[TR] what a tool [22:03] reptilian_thrills linux users are tools? [22:03] starstreak linucks btw [22:03] schestowitz[TR] don't miss out [22:03] reptilian_thrills "sorry miss" [22:03] Helenah I'm a linux user. :3 [22:03] Helenah I ain't no tool [22:03] starstreak i use arch linucks btw [22:04] reptilian_thrills in communist russia arch linucks uses you [22:04] Helenah Who wants to see my chest and spine too while you're looking at my head and inner ear? :D [22:04] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], Might as well get the insurance that comes pre-tax. [22:04] Helenah hahaha [22:04] DaemonFC B-) [22:04] reptilian_thrills /me checks starstreaks laptop for malware [22:04] reptilian_thrills its over 9000! [22:04] reptilian_thrills malware, malware everywhere [22:04] schestowitz[TR] attack surface broad [22:05] reptilian_thrills attack surface broad <- she doesnt like being called that [22:05] Helenah dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble [22:05] Helenah dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble dibble dabble [22:05] starstreak reptilian_thrills, Packages: 1737 (pacman) [22:05] reptilian_thrills 1737 malware found [22:05] *Helenah huggles up to cat starstreak [22:05] schestowitz[TR] leet [22:05] starstreak :) [22:05] reptilian_thrills drake meme: attack surface broad <- nahh [22:06] schestowitz[TR] hamper of chocs [22:06] reptilian_thrills attach surface dame <- :) [22:06] schestowitz[TR] Helenah: leave britney ALONE!! [22:06] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: NO! [22:06] starstreak schestowitz[TR], :) [22:06] starstreak lol [22:06] *Helenah huggles up to cat starstreak some more [22:06] starstreak :3 [22:07] reptilian_thrills norton is like tech support scam [22:08] reptilian_thrills we found 1000 malware! [22:08] reptilian_thrills those are cookies. [22:08] reptilian_thrills "theyre very malicious cookies!" [22:08] TR News "It is difficult to do stargazing in the evenings in my yard because of all the people walking in and out of the apartment building, and the bright lights when people drive out of their garages" gemini://gem.librehacker.com/gemlog/starlog/20221015-0.gmi [22:08] reptilian_thrills theyre SUPERCOOKIES [22:08] reptilian_thrills cookie monster? super cookie? [22:08] Helenah I'm not sure how your DNA can just simply incriminate you. Lets say a knife is found with your DNA on it, just that alone isn't conclusive, there needs to be more than that to go off. [22:08] reptilian_thrills cookie monster to rescue! OM NOM NOM NOM NOM [22:08] Helenah As you may have held it but not been the one who used it. [22:09] reptilian_thrills /me checks arch linux for cookies [22:09] Helenah So I don't believe the police would just go off the fact your DNA was on that knife... [22:09] Helenah I don't buy it... [22:09] reptilian_thrills OMG, this is crawling with malware! [22:09] reptilian_thrills there are cookies ALL OVER THE PLACE [22:09] TR News "End-to-end encryption would have to be thwarted by scans on all cell phones." https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/eu-chat-control-negotiations-kick-off-commissioner-johansson-defends-controversial-surveillance-law-before-libe-committee/ [22:09] TR Bot EU chat control negotiations kick off: Commissioner Johansson defends controversial surveillance law before LIBE committee Patrick Breyer [22:09] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: ^ [22:09] schestowitz[TR] k00kies [22:09] reptilian_thrills your netstat is very infected with internet virus [22:10] schestowitz[TR] hand of MA K))Ks! [22:10] starstreak oh noes! not internet virus [22:10] Helenah reptilian_thrills: cookies aren't classified as malware. [22:10] Helenah Nor can they be. [22:10] reptilian_thrills you should connect with the secure vpn to let us diagnose your bank account, i mean computer [22:10] Helenah Get your facts right about cookies before you make dumb claims... [22:10] Helenah Jesus [22:10] reptilian_thrills press the four-flag window key [22:10] schestowitz[TR] cookies are bugs [22:10] schestowitz[TR] not bugs in the cookiees [22:10] reptilian_thrills and hold down rrrrrrr [22:11] reptilian_thrills not bugs in the cookiees <- reptilian cookies! [22:11] schestowitz[TR] hands off MA K00Kies! [22:11] starstreak rrrrrrrrrrrreptoidz [22:11] reptilian_thrills cookie monster: "that okay, me not hungry" [22:11] phanes grubhub thinks taco bell and chipotle sell "tacos" [22:11] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: So yeah, my genome. :D [22:12] reptilian_thrills /me adds reptilian cookie monster to queue [22:12] Helenah phanes: They don't? o.O [22:12] phanes hell no [22:12] Helenah Why have a name like taco bell then?! [22:12] Helenah Damn [22:12] Helenah lol [22:12] phanes i agree [22:12] reptilian_thrills CRICKETS! OM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM [22:12] starstreak crickets are delicious [22:12] starstreak deep fried nom nom nom nom [22:13] reptilian_thrills they stay crunchy even in milk [22:13] Helenah Listening to Vangelis. :3 [22:13] schestowitz[TR] Vangelis is good [22:14] psydruid The Four Horsemen [22:14] phanes psydruid, yes? [22:15] reptilian_thrills /me opens a reptoid chip shop called "fish n chirps" [22:15] psydruid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KCbqhJt16k [22:15] TR Bot https://invidious.weblibre.org/watch?v=3KCbqhJt16k [22:15] TR Bot invidious.weblibre.org | Aphrodite's Child - The Four Horsemen (video) - Invidious [22:15] psydruid Vangelis [22:15] psydruid Roussos [22:15] phanes lol i bought a gibson les paul and ever since, every single forced ad on youtube and facebook is a guitar commercial [22:17] schestowitz[TR] reptilian_thrills: may contain potato [22:17] mjg59_ phanes: The same document that resulted in you finally agreeing to stop deadnaming my partner also provides the appropriate pronouns to describe them [22:17] schestowitz[TR] trace of potato [22:18] mjg59_ phanes: So I'd appreciate it if you referred to them correctly in that respect [22:18] reptilian_thrills you got peanut butter in my crickets [22:18] reptilian_thrills you got crickets in my peanut butter [22:18] schestowitz[TR] butter? gross!!! [22:18] Helenah mjg59_: Hi :3 [22:19] phanes hey mjg59_ shut the fuck up [22:19] reptilian_thrills if your bitter butter makes your batter bitter, get better butter to make your batter better [22:19] Helenah Woah! [22:19] Helenah Guys? [22:19] Helenah :( [22:19] schestowitz[TR] phanes: muting works [22:19] *Helenah has phanes and mjg59_ make out and kiss [22:19] Helenah Now be good friends now [22:19] phanes dude is such a f*cking victim bottom [22:19] schestowitz[TR] when pigs fly [22:20] mjg59_ phanes: Deliberately misgenderng people doesn't make you look like the good guy [22:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [22:20] TR News Links 15/10/2022: Sparky 2022.10 Special Editions and Ardour 7.0 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/10/15/ardour-7-0/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/15/ardour-7-0/ [22:20] TR Bot Links 15/10/2022: Sparky 2022.10 Special Editions and Ardour 7.0 | Techrights [22:20] reptilian_thrills if a frog had wings he wouldnt bump his arse when he hopped [22:20] phanes mjg59_, yeah, well, the core of your premise fails because only one of us is resting purely on outward appearances by fabricating slights [22:21] TR News (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Programming_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Programming_Leftovers.1.gmi [22:21] TR Bot Tux Machines Programming Leftovers [22:21] phanes so put some salt on it and learn to persevere [22:21] mjg59_ I'm pretty sure I'm not fabricating the fact that you're referring to my partner using female pronouns when they're not female [22:21] TR News (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/today_s_leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/today_s_leftovers.1.gmi [22:21] TR Bot Tux Machines today's leftovers [22:21] schestowitz[TR] when I was 22 people defamed me online [22:21] schestowitz[TR] claiming I had changed genders [22:21] reptilian_thrills claiming I had changed genders <- its possible mjg was in on that [22:21] schestowitz[TR] and at the time mjg59_ was saying transphobic shit, in his words [22:22] schestowitz[TR] not me [22:22] Helenah I am confused cause me and phanes were talking about gender earlier and I found nothing wrong with what they said... [22:22] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: Yeah that was inappropriate of the [22:22] schestowitz[TR] but now he tries to use that schtick against me [22:22] phanes mjg59_, yes, yes, in no way are you in a heteronormative cis relationship and misusing a very real cultural movement that very much does need recognized in society to boost your twitter followers to appear relevant [22:22] reptilian_thrills now he tries to use that schtick against me <- mostly because he considers you a bad ally [22:22] mjg59_ phanes: I'm pretty clearly not in a heteronormative cis relationship? [22:22] reptilian_thrills though at least you dont misgender his partner (afaik) [22:22] Helenah Woah yo guys :( [22:22] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2020/06/06/sexism-misrepresentation/ [22:22] TR Bot They Tell Us Linus Torvalds is Sexist But Evidence Suggests Otherwise | Techrights [22:22] *Helenah cries [22:22] schestowitz[TR] imagine they picks on Torvalds for THIS [22:23] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [22:23] schestowitz[TR] just amazing [22:23] reptilian_thrills torvalds is useless [22:23] phanes mjg59_, you are very clearly in a heteronormative relationship that you are calling something else to posture as a victim occassionally [22:23] schestowitz[TR] you would struggle to find ANYTHING sexist he said in 30+ years [22:23] reptilian_thrills hes done more harm than good [22:23] schestowitz[TR] and everything he said is in mailing lists [22:23] reptilian_thrills to both gnu and to bsd [22:23] schestowitz[TR] so ample data set [22:23] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [22:23] reptilian_thrills you would struggle to find ANYTHING sexist he said in 30+ years <- too busy selling out to be a bigot [22:23] Helenah phanes, mjg59_, Is it really that difficult for you to both like start a new with each other putting the past behind you? [22:23] Helenah I feel like I'm being er... "nosey" [22:23] schestowitz[TR] going back to the 1990s "dumb blonde" jokes culture [22:23] Helenah but I'm really not trying to... [22:23] Helenah It's just... all this is happening in this channel. [22:23] mjg59_ phanes: Uh I'm super unclear on what you're suggesting here - my partner has been out as non-binary since long before I met them [22:23] Helenah o.o [22:24] Helenah mjg59_: So is it possible? [22:24] phanes Helenah, in order for that to be the case he would need to write letters of apology, publicly, to each individual person he has spent his career defaming and fabricating scandals against [22:24] reptilian_thrills dumb blonde jokes never died [22:24] reptilian_thrills theyre all "himbo" jokes now [22:24] Helenah Oh [22:24] reptilian_thrills himbos are real ofc [22:24] schestowitz[TR] in the 1990s "yo momma so fat" jokes were alxso fashionaable [22:24] phanes Helenah, https://www.abuseonline.org/database/Garrett,%20Matthew/ [22:24] TR Bot Index of /database/Garrett, Matthew [22:24] schestowitz[TR] now few would make them [22:24] reptilian_thrills and tbh we still make fun of dumb blondes, only now theyre called kardashians and its cool b/c theyre privileged [22:24] schestowitz[TR] because of all this culture change [22:24] Helenah phanes: But how does it affect your mental health if like everytime you encounter mjg59_, you have something like... idk how to put it... to say [22:25] Helenah like of this nature [22:25] mjg59_ Helenah: Chris has a bunch of things he objects to about me, but in this case I'm just asking him to stop misgendering y partner [22:25] mjg59_ Which seems like a pretty easy thing for him to do, so I'm unsure why he's refusing to [22:25] Helenah phanes: So mjg59_ isn't like debunking what you just said about them. [22:25] reptilian_thrills in the 1990s "yo momma so fat" jokes <- yo mamma so problematic she gets cancelled from the intellectual dark web [22:25] phanes Helenah, if you read through that index, you'll see over a decade of him using things much like this to posture as a victim to try to rely on that community to be his internet warrios and he's destroyed his credibility with it [22:25] phanes like literally nothing this guy says is real [22:26] reptilian_thrills yo mammas so problematic even stallman bans her [22:26] Helenah I forgot the "justice" thing you said but now I remember. [22:26] reptilian_thrills yo mammas so problematic mjg cant even [22:26] schestowitz[TR] you momma so dumb blonde? [22:26] Helenah phanes: Is this you trying to achieve a justice? [22:26] *Helenah looks [22:26] mjg59_ phanes: dude you're pretty clearly on the wrong side of reality in reference to my partner's gender [22:26] schestowitz[TR] btw, I bring this up partly due to mxo [22:26] schestowitz[TR] alex oliva [22:26] reptilian_thrills what has he done now [22:27] schestowitz[TR] turns out some people dug up messages he sent as a student in brazil [22:27] phanes mjg59_, i give absolutely zero shits what you or your partner call themselves or anything else [22:27] schestowitz[TR] with some dumb blonde jokes [22:27] reptilian_thrills oh for gods sake [22:27] schestowitz[TR] maybe 1980s [22:27] schestowitz[TR] or 90s [22:27] reptilian_thrills wait, thats not new [22:27] schestowitz[TR] to discredit or blackmail him [22:27] mjg59_ phanes: If you give zero shits, then using the correct pronouns costs you nothing, right? [22:27] schestowitz[TR] to secure the rms "cancel move" [22:27] reptilian_thrills to discredit or blackmail him <- that reminds me of the uhf scene where weird al goes through al capones glove compartment [22:27] reptilian_thrills "AHAAA! ROOOAD MAPS!!!!!!" [22:27] phanes mjg59_, stop victim posturing or you'll just simply be ridiculed and ignored until you're contributing productively [22:28] DaemonFC Great. The server crashed before I could finish the application. [22:28] schestowitz[TR] "YOU WILL NEVER BELIEVE WHAT RICHARD SAID IN 1970!!!" [22:28] DaemonFC Walmart LOVES Microsoft. [22:28] schestowitz[TR] it does [22:28] schestowitz[TR] even cross-pollinatinng [22:28] schestowitz[TR] the managers [22:28] reptilian_thrills alex oliva was a HUGE transphobe 20 years ago [22:28] mjg59_ phanes: I'm unclear on how asking you to gender my partner correctly is *me* being a victim [22:28] reptilian_thrills he and i ran a camp to reeducate them into cishets [22:28] phanes mjg59_, nobody's buying your shit man. give it up. [22:28] mjg59_ phanes: Dude there is something extremely wrong with you [22:28] reptilian_thrills in rio de janiero [22:29] phanes mjg59_, yet here i am completely unmoved, how about that. [22:29] Helenah o.o [22:29] reptilian_thrills we kept them all in shock collars (for their protection) and kuhn was the warden [22:29] mjg59_ phanes: Eh. If you want to look transphobic it's your choice [22:29] reptilian_thrills i mean head counselor [22:30] phanes mjg59_, nobody buys that shit either. [22:30] phanes you're used up [22:30] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [22:30] frog i want to fully remove GNU toolchain and GNU buildsystem, and rollback linux to v2.4 if possible [22:30] mjg59_ phanes: I've asked you to gender my partner correctly, you've refused, I guess we're done [22:30] reptilian_thrills even cross-pollinatinng <- is that what they call it now [22:30] starstreak phanes, I'm trans and I think you're being transphobic [22:30] phanes mjg59_, you were done 5 years ago man. im still going just fine. [22:30] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [22:31] frog i don't care if you're all trans or homo [22:31] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_ has done nothing significant for years [22:31] reptilian_thrills anyway, there was a rebellioin, they all broke loose and now half of brazil is trans [22:31] schestowitz[TR] did not even marry [22:31] schestowitz[TR] but spent years here in irc, venting [22:31] reptilian_thrills so basically we lost. but im not mad, i actually think they were right all along [22:31] reptilian_thrills we made some mistakes [22:31] psydruid except being a Microsoft booster and future Microsoft employee [22:31] reptilian_thrills and future Microsoft employee <- this is funny but i doubt it [22:32] reptilian_thrills i get the "he already works for microsoft" angle [22:32] reptilian_thrills its one of those things thats true a certain way, just not literally [22:32] Helenah Paolo Bonzini noticed something a little awkward in the Linux kernel support code for Microsoft's HyperV virtualisation environment - specifically, that the magic constant passed through to the hypervisor was "0xB16B00B5", or, in English, "BIG BOOBS". It turns out that this isn't an exception - when the code was originally submitted it also contained "0x0B00B135". That one got [22:32] Helenah removed when the Xen support code was ripped out. [22:32] Helenah At the most basic level it's just straightforward childish humour, and the use of vaguely-English strings in magic hex constants is hardly uncommon. But it's also specifically male childish humour. Puerile sniggering at breasts contributes to the continuing impression that software development is a boys club where girls aren't welcome. It's especially irritating in this case [22:32] Helenah because Azure may depend on this constant, so changing it will break things. [22:32] Helenah So, full marks, Microsoft. You've managed to make the kernel more offensive to half the population and you've made it awkward for us to rectify it. [22:32] Helenah So erm... and how would this affect and offend me? [22:32] reptilian_thrills dfc worked for them [22:32] Helenah Why would I make this a problem for myself if I ever saw such in code? [22:32] reptilian_thrills i always assumed in a less limited capacity [22:33] reptilian_thrills due partly to not knowing exactly what a microsoft mvp was [22:33] reptilian_thrills if id been cynical enough (point for mincer) i could have guessed [22:33] phanes mjg59_, btw on a completely unrelated topic, how is drafting those apology letters going? [22:34] Helenah mjg59_: Is your name Paolo Bonzini? [22:34] mjg59_ Helenah: No [22:34] phanes mjg59_, i also assume these letters will include retractions for the lies you've told about people [22:34] psydruid It's me, Paolo [22:35] psydruid Or no [22:35] TR News People write proprietary software just for a salary. No personal pride or recognition in it. [22:35] psydruid It's me, Mario [22:35] reptilian_thrills /me wonders who actually thinks it fucking matters that oliva made some dumb blonde jokes [22:35] mjg59_ phanes: I remain unaware of any lies I've told about people. [22:35] reptilian_thrills 20-30 years ago [22:35] reptilian_thrills sarah mei [22:36] reptilian_thrills grand inquisitor [22:36] reptilian_thrills ice [22:36] phanes mjg59_, you can pretend that but literally anyone who can read and has an internet connection has an indexed list of just the ones i know about and have documented in an indexed, chronological order [22:36] reptilian_thrills so she knows all about going after south americans, eh [22:37] reptilian_thrills "get back on your side of the wall!" [22:37] reptilian_thrills "fence" [22:37] phanes mjg59_, you can deny that you are aware of this, but I know factually that you have seen it many times [22:37] reptilian_thrills "your side of the fence!" [22:37] mjg59_ phanes: Me calling Kevin Kofler a dick is a lie? [22:37] reptilian_thrills what do we want? fence! when do we want it? fence! [22:37] schestowitz[TR] mei oh mei! [22:37] TR News (NEW): Today in Techrights http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Today_in_Techrights.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/15/Today_in_Techrights.gmi [22:37] TR Bot Tux Machines Today in Techrights [22:37] phanes mjg59_, no that's just you cherry picking a detail out of context when you found yourself unable or unwilling to address the totality of what was said [22:37] starstreak reptilian_thrills, attack surface btw! :D [22:38] reptilian_thrills 1700 malware and counting [22:38] mjg59_ phanes: Ok, so you're not saying that your list is totally a list of me saying lies. Can you let me know what subset of the list contains me telling lies? [22:38] phanes mjg59_, if you can't bring yourself to be an honest person, bring yourself to be a much quieter person -- you are outclassed and no amount of misrepresentation will win you any battles with me. [22:38] reptilian_thrills /me runs malware updates [22:39] TR News (How do you pronounce BeOS?) https://oldvcr.blogspot.com/2022/10/going-where-beos-netpositive-hasnt-gone.html [22:39] TR Bot Old Vintage Computing Research: Going where BeOS NetPositive hasn't gone before: NetPositive+ [22:39] phanes mjg59_, there's just not an argument to have. improve or fade into obscurity and shame. [22:39] reptilian_thrills sarah mei: if you dont fire stallman and oliva imma put oliva in a concentration camp because hes not progressive enough! [22:39] TR News World's first fusion reactor will be open in UK by 2040 https://interestingengineering.com/science/uk-to-get-fusion-2040 Source: Interesting Engineering | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//interestingengineering.com/science/uk-to-get-fusion-2040 [22:39] reptilian_thrills okay eva braun, calm the fuck down [22:39] TR Bot World's first fusion reactor will be open in UK by 2040 [22:39] mjg59_ phanes: I'm sorry to break it to you, but other than you literally nobody cares about you [22:39] Helenah Rise up like a tower, allow the wind to strengthen your back as it blows you about [22:39] reptilian_thrills /me checks sarah meis roots [22:39] Helenah Come back ever bigger and stronger [22:39] phanes mjg59_, good thing it's not about me, then; you are failing to hit your mark. [22:39] reptilian_thrills you never know... [22:40] Helenah mjg59_: I don't care about phanes? o.O [22:40] reptilian_thrills you can only make fun of dumb blondes when theyre alt-right [22:40] Helenah Then why was I touched by his NPD story? [22:40] TR News Just boycott Walmart. It hates people, why should people tolerate that? https://retailwire.com/discussion/walmart-makes-a-deal-to-automate-and-own-the-last-mile/ [22:40] TR Bot makes a deal to automate and own the last mile - RetailWire [22:40] schestowitz[TR] DaemonFC: ^ [22:40] Helenah Where as you on the other hand, I don't really know you at all. [22:41] phanes that would be the "obscurity" blade on the "obscurity and shame" sword [22:41] Helenah Oh [22:41] mjg59_ Helenah: You should consider the possibility that he's lying about it [22:41] phanes oh, am I a big liar now? [22:41] Helenah mjg59_: But I can't prove it or disprove it. [22:41] phanes lol "this 3rd party archive list of events is a lie" [22:42] mjg59_ Helenah: True! But he did write a lengthy series of blog posts about it and then weirdly removed his name from it [22:42] reptilian_thrills faux news: dumb blondes [22:42] phanes like it's even sourced [22:42] Helenah mjg59_: But that could mean anything. [22:42] reptilian_thrills entire democratic party: sacred [22:42] Helenah Like I can't find out why phanes would do that, nor can you. [22:42] reptilian_thrills everyone connected to ice: mixed bag [22:42] Helenah We don't know phanes in real life. [22:43] mjg59_ He's also lied about not altering the contents of a Twitter account [22:43] phanes mjg59_, one of us has a long and documented history of exposing bad actors and the other has a long and documented history of being called out for lying about people [22:43] Helenah But phanes claims you lie so. [22:43] *Helenah shrugs [22:43] mjg59_ When actually he renamed that twitter account and deleted some tweets from it [22:43] reptilian_thrills He's also lied about not altering the contents of a Twitter account <- i hope you sent him to the principals office [22:43] phanes like you literally have no power here [22:43] mjg59_ And then created another account under the original name [22:43] phanes it won't work [22:43] reptilian_thrills i would write a note to his parents [22:43] mjg59_ Which isn't a big deal, other than the repeated claims that he didn't do that [22:44] reptilian_thrills Which isn't a big deal, other than the repeated claims that he didn't do that <- agreed [22:44] mjg59_ Like, dude, just admit you created a twitter account to harass people under someone else's name [22:44] reptilian_thrills fwiw i honestly find it hard to trust oliva. im not sure hes dishonest (in any broad or meaningful way) [22:44] Helenah I'm going to be honest here... [22:44] Helenah You seem to be calling each other the same thing, a liar. [22:44] reptilian_thrills to harass people under someone else's name <- it would be better to admit who he was harassing, if harassing them was so important [22:44] reptilian_thrills who was he harassing? [22:45] Helenah How am I... supposed to make sense of that? D [22:45] Helenah :D [22:45] Helenah I can't! [22:46] phanes every time he does this i work on presenting the content a little more cleanly to highlight the pattern in a more obvious way [22:46] Helenah reptilian_thrills: I've also changed my name on accounts but there was certainly no sinister reason to me doing so. [22:46] *phanes clears his schedule [22:46] Helenah So why would I take your reason for phanes changing name on an account as the valid one? [22:47] starstreak Smoke weed every day [22:47] mjg59_ reptilian_thrills: He created a twitter account called void_witch2 to harass people who signed the RMS letter, when void_witch belonged to one of the people who had signed it [22:47] Helenah Even if you said the reason was non-sinister, why would I take that reason as a valid one? [22:47] phanes and there's a new entry [22:47] reptilian_thrills when void_witch belonged to one of the people who had signed it <- this is poor form imo [22:47] mjg59_ Helenah: https://web.archive.org/web/20161203110759/http://punches-pawloski-fiasco.blogspot.com/ is the weird blog website [22:47] TR Bot The Truth about the Punches-Pawloski Engagement [22:48] reptilian_thrills also i didnt know he was harassing people who signed the letter :) [22:48] phanes i wasn't [22:48] mjg59_ Helenah: If you visit the live copy at http://punches-pawloski-fiasco.blogspot.com/ every reference to "Chris Punches" has been replaced with "Jerry Thibodeau" [22:48] TR Bot The Truth about the Punches-Pawloski Engagement [22:48] phanes that's just a twist he adds to it [22:48] reptilian_thrills /me smiles inside [22:48] reptilian_thrills but in all seriousness i have no idea what he said so [22:48] reptilian_thrills some of it may be unfair [22:49] reptilian_thrills like i get why roy points so many unfair/unsubstantiated claims at you [22:49] phanes its a defensive fabrication he's created to justify his initial defamation of me [22:49] TR News "The planned European Digital Identity is intended to give EU citizens access to public and private digital services and enable them to pay online" https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/european-digital-identity-eu-parliament-wants-decentralized-data-storage-and-right-to-anonymity/ [22:49] TR Bot European Digital Identity: EU Parliament wants decentralized data storage and right to anonymity Patrick Breyer [22:49] reptilian_thrills its sort of divine justice because... i mean assuming you did anything like that [22:49] reptilian_thrills but just because youre the local face of the cancel mob doesnt mean we can blame you for everything either [22:49] TR News In these times of war, it is absolutely crucial to still be able to make anonymous payments to support those that are the most at risk of being persecuted." https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/pirates-are-against-the-new-rules-on-crypto-assets-which-will-ban-anonymous-payments/ [22:49] reptilian_thrills unless thats also part of the joke... [22:49] TR Bot Pirates are against the new rules on crypto assets which will ban anonymous payments Patrick Breyer [22:50] reptilian_thrills but tbh i dont think its anything as clever as that [22:50] reptilian_thrills i think its not ironic scapegoating (which i would find funny) but actual scapegoating [22:50] reptilian_thrills and my biggest problem with that isnt that its unfair to you of course [22:50] reptilian_thrills its that its too fair to EVERYONE ELSE [22:51] reptilian_thrills its like if 1000 people shot a guy and you execute the one that drove the car [22:51] Helenah So who is Chris and who is Courtney? [22:51] reptilian_thrills i hate that sort of miscarriage of justice [22:51] Helenah Courtney sounds familiar [22:51] TR News Mercedes-Benz gives data to the NSA https://staceyoniot.com/iot-news-of-the-week-for-oct-14-2022/ [22:51] TR Bot IoT news of the week for Oct. 14, 2022 - Stacey on IoT | Internet of Things news and analysis [22:51] reptilian_thrills even when i dont like the people its aimed at [22:51] phanes Helenah, I am Chris [22:51] Helenah I met a new zealandic girl called courtney [22:51] reptilian_thrills i dont think they should have hanged saddam either [22:51] Helenah phanes: Ah [22:51] reptilian_thrills if they invaded at all (which seems bogus) [22:51] reptilian_thrills they could have at least shot him like he preferred [22:51] TR News (The many pieces involved in a SSD's performance also provide plenty of room for differences between SSDs, much more so than there's been in HDDs for a long time. Manufacturers can even switch components and change designs within the same model over time, with visible performance effects (generally it goes down).) b [22:51] reptilian_thrills its a perfectly reasonable request [22:52] TR News [ctd.] "Because there are no slow mechanical parts to SSDs (only somewhat slow flash parts), the speed of everything else in the system also increasingly matters" https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/tech/SSDNoPerformanceIntuitions [22:52] TR Bot Chris's Wiki :: blog/tech/SSDNoPerformanceIntuitions [22:52] Helenah So who is Katrina St. Jean? [22:52] reptilian_thrills why did they hang him? politics [22:52] reptilian_thrills i fucking loathe it [22:52] reptilian_thrills nvm that i was against the invasion before, during and after [22:52] frog reptilian_thrills: saddam deployed chemical weapons [22:52] schestowitz[TR] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Hill_(activist) [22:52] TR Bot Joe Hill (activist) - Wikipedia [22:53] mjg59_ phanes: Is it a lie to say that you renamed a twitter account called lord_bagira to void_witch2? And it a lie to say that you later renamed that accont to equitis_rubrum and then created a new account called void_witch2? [22:53] phanes Helenah, Katrina at the time was a bystander to the whole thing because i had moved hundreds of miles away to get out of the net and was still being bombarded with false accusations that couldn't be true without close proximity [22:53] reptilian_thrills ive been proteting iraq since (early) 2003 [22:53] schestowitz[TR] in 2010 they would not execute him like that [22:53] schestowitz[TR] by accusing him of murder [22:53] schestowitz[TR] he was a swede [22:53] phanes mjg59_, im not going to teach you to refine your lie to be more believable [22:53] schestowitz[TR] they'd claim he raped scores of swedes [22:53] schestowitz[TR] and then "kill" him online [22:53] reptilian_thrills in 2010 saddam would get cancelled on twitter and his palace would get taken over by microsoft and ibm :) [22:53] reptilian_thrills right! [22:54] reptilian_thrills ok you were going in the same direction [22:54] schestowitz[TR] yeah [22:54] mjg59_ phanes: Ok, so you're not saying that I'm lying there [22:54] Helenah mjg59_: What if phanes did lie in the past about things and is still lying about those things already lied about via shame? What if from there onwards things are truthful? Why continually get on phanes's case about that? [22:54] phanes No it was all true Helenah -- I've never lied about people [22:55] Helenah Okies [22:55] Helenah I'm a very impartial person as you may have noticed. [22:55] phanes I have literally only ever exposed people who do those kinds of things and have spent most of my adult life exposing people like that because I think they need to be more visible in the social consciousness to protect people [22:55] mjg59_ Helenah: He wrote an entire website to call me a liar, which seems a bit weird [22:56] schestowitz[TR] if they insist on executing saddan, they should do the same to bush II [22:56] phanes mjg59_, yes and it will become more refined over the years and will continue to collect instances where you lie about people as you make them or as they are found [22:56] schestowitz[TR] but it's like a coc committee, the rules are enforced only by a glofied bunch of "the few" [22:56] phanes it will also become higher ranked in search engines eventually and will work its way into your daily conversations as time goes on [22:56] phanes that's the good part [22:56] Helenah mjg59_: phanes spoke to me about their "justice" principle earlier. [22:56] reptilian_thrills if they insist on executing saddan, they should do the same to bush II <- both are war criminals and torturers [22:57] phanes the bad part is after that, it will stop getting brought up by those same people [22:57] Helenah With that in mind, if the website is true, it's not very weird. [22:57] Helenah :) [22:57] Helenah And in character for phanes [22:57] Helenah based on that aspect alone [22:57] mjg59_ phanes: But you've already admitted that it contains examples where I'm not lying [22:57] phanes mjg59_, no things you say on my behalf are not things that I said [22:57] phanes mjg59_, you continue to make that mistake [22:57] reptilian_thrills actual war criminals. not war criminals becaus they said something about another war criminal in an email in 1997 [22:57] reptilian_thrills and that means theyre war criminal apologists [22:58] reptilian_thrills and that means natalie wynn is a terf [22:58] frog jesus, everyone has made one or another mistake in life [22:58] phanes mjg59_, what I did say is that you are outclassed, and I have also said at times that I've studied your disorder, and I've also said that there's only one way out of it. [22:58] frog is it necessary nowadays, to become a holy saint blessed by the pope, to participate with free software? [22:58] schestowitz[TR] Theodore tso is therapist apologist [22:58] reptilian_thrills i was watching lonely island today and found they did a video (which i saw years ago) with actual john waters [22:58] reptilian_thrills Theodore tso is therapist apologist <- hes a dumb blonde joke apologist too [22:59] schestowitz[TR] linus torvsalds is therapist patient [22:59] Helenah mjg59_: Do you have NPD? [22:59] frog meanwhile, i want to fully remove GNU toolchain and GNU buildsystem and never again depend on it with free software [22:59] reptilian_thrills linus torvsalds is therapist patient <- lots of luck to the therapist [22:59] phanes mjg59_, if you find a way to destroy me, that won't make it go away. It'll just make me more determined. Write those letters. [22:59] Helenah If you say "No", is there a chance you have something you do not recognise as being disorderly? [22:59] mjg59_ phanes: Are you seriously going to argue that me calling Kevin Kofler a dick is a lie? [22:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 18.33 k/sec., IPFS upstream 50.58 average k/sec., average swarm size 117.01 [22:59] schestowitz[TR] linus torvsalds is therapist patient <- lots of luck to the therapist [22:59] schestowitz[TR] maybe they will fidn something on the health subject [22:59] mjg59_ Helenah: To the best of my knowledge, I don't. My therapists have never suggested it. ● Oct 15 [23:00] schestowitz[TR] it's the US, not finland [23:00] phanes mjg59_, no that's just you cherry picking a detail out of context when you found yourself unable or unwilling to address the totality of what was said [23:00] schestowitz[TR] they could use repeat clients [23:00] schestowitz[TR] *healthy subject [23:00] reptilian_thrills they could put his dna on github [23:00] reptilian_thrills and then recode it in rust [23:00] schestowitz[TR] in the copilot plagiarism blender [23:00] Helenah DNA doesn't work like that reptilian_thrills [23:00] mjg59_ phanes: Ok. So if me calling Kevin Kofler a dick is one of the examples on your website, and if me calling Kevin Kofler a dick isn't a lie, then your website contains examples of my behaviour that don't involve me lying. [23:00] Helenah You can't simply recode it with some language. lol [23:00] reptilian_thrills and then put crickets in the linucks kernel [23:01] schestowitz[TR] reptilian_thrills: then he needs tetanus short administered [23:01] reptilian_thrills in the copilot plagiarism blender <- i prefer to think of it like the machine in the fly [23:01] phanes mjg59_, you're also out of ammunition. Every disabling embarrassment you've found is already addressed and disarmed as a weapon. You'll have to find something internal that can unlock your situation. [23:01] Helenah But you ignore me anyway, probably because I'm a woman and therefore I'm not worthy of your responses. [23:01] schestowitz[TR] bill: shot of tetanus for rust: $10; nurse: $100; hospital visit: $1000 [23:01] reptilian_thrills reptilian_thrills: then he needs tetanus short administered <- ah yes, to weaken his immune system to everything but tetanus! [23:02] phanes mjg59_, https://youtu.be/fYI36CVar_8 [23:02] TR Bot https://tube.cthd.icu/watch?v=fYI36CVar_8 [23:02] TR Bot not resolve host: tube.cthd.icu; Unknown error ( status 0 @ https://tube.cthd.icu/watch?v=fYI36CVar_8 ) [23:02] reptilian_thrills "yes youre impervious to tetanus now. but watch out for tea with a bit of mould cause it will fucking kill you now" [23:02] Helenah But you ignore me anyway, probably because I'm a woman and therefore I'm not worthy of your responses. < reptilian_thrills [23:03] reptilian_thrills not that you should make mouldy tea, just that youd more than likely live [23:03] schestowitz[TR] Helenah: sounds like a misunderstanding [23:03] Helenah I'm probably some level 1 dumbo at rock bottom in your eyes, reptilian_thrills and in your eyes I probably can't make it to level 5 like you are because I'm a woman. [23:03] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: It is? They've ghosted even the first line I ever said to them, ever! [23:04] reptilian_thrills brb [23:04] *reptilian_thrills has quit (connection closed) [23:04] schestowitz[TR] i never saw evidence of him discriminating against women [23:04] Helenah Well the only thing they knew about me at the time was my fucking nickname! [23:04] Helenah I'm right to have my suspicions... [23:04] Helenah and that reptilian guy not willing to fucking clear things up [23:04] Helenah because he's ignorant and doesn't care to respond to a single bloody thing I ever said to him or in front of him... [23:05] schestowitz[TR] I'd have to scroll up and check [23:06] Helenah My suspicians aren't ill founded... [23:06] Helenah *suspicions [23:06] TR News "Does this TCP level serialization matter? I don't know." https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/NFSOneTCPConnectionToAServer [23:06] TR Bot Chris's Wiki :: blog/linux/NFSOneTCPConnectionToAServer [23:06] schestowitz[TR] Helenah: maybe you are right [23:06] Helenah There is valid reasoning behind it... [23:06] schestowitz[TR] I'll ask upon reconnection [23:06] Helenah Sure, please do. [23:06] Helenah Cause I've spoken to a brick wall a dozen times now and I don't appreciate the wasted energy... [23:07] schestowitz[TR] Helenah: on another note, how is life? [23:07] schestowitz[TR] been a warn October [23:07] schestowitz[TR] *Warmn [23:07] schestowitz[TR] -ish [23:08] TR News No, that would mean more surveillance by already-dodgy companies https://staceyoniot.com/podcast-why-roku-needs-the-smart-home/ [23:08] TR Bot Podcast: Why Roku needs the smart home - Stacey on IoT | Internet of Things news and analysis [23:08] Helenah It's good :D [23:08] frog linux-2.4 didn't have support for HyperV, to whom it may concern [23:08] schestowitz[TR] considering what the average family goes through, good means exceptional [23:09] schestowitz[TR] forkbombe: even 3.0 I reckon [23:09] schestowitz[TR] frog: ^ [23:09] schestowitz[TR] it was added by Novell around 2009 [23:09] frog currently, i am too tired, need a few days before i continue [23:10] schestowitz[TR] https://www.linuxfoundation.org/blog/blog/its-official-linux-3-0-released/ [23:10] TR Bot It's Official: Linux 3.0 Released - Linux Foundation [23:10] schestowitz[TR] Jul 22 2011 [23:10] schestowitz[TR] after Novell was sold [23:10] Helenah Fuck it's been that long? o: [23:11] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: Someone doesn't need to outwardly be prejudice to be prejudice, they can secretly hold it internally and never express prejudism but use more stealthy approaches. [23:11] frog and this is what i told German Railway, Telekom, and EPA, what i am doing [23:11] Helenah and seriously ghosting doesn't happen for no reason, there is something in it. [23:11] TR News Can we, like... stop calling everything "HEY HI" while adding robot stock photographs? https://thenextweb.com/news/common-sense-test-for-ai-smarter-machines promoting sick agenda using words that lack substance [23:11] TR Bot A new common sense test for AI could lead to smarter machines [23:12] schestowitz[TR] Helenah: I can try to be a mediator [23:12] frog that i want to roll-back, and remove various GNU stuff [23:12] schestowitz[TR] but then I too might be blacklisted [23:12] frog and, it's very difficult, and almost impossible nowadays [23:12] schestowitz[TR] you use a gentoo base [23:12] Helenah It has happened to me before just like he did where the only thing they know about me is my name is Helena and I said Hi to them. [23:13] schestowitz[TR] a modern one [23:13] frog the giant mountain of electronics waste wreckage, none of it is "sustainable" [23:13] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [23:13] Helenah and that's the annoying thing about being a woman, what I say comes last with a misogynistic group of people who won't be obviously misogynist. [23:13] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [23:13] schestowitz[TR] one option you have is, run a new distro with an internet-turned-off VM of an old distro [23:14] *reptilian_thrills (~reptilian_thrills@acq5qqvgi8e2a.irc) has joined #techrights [23:14] schestowitz[TR] hi reptilian_thrills [23:14] schestowitz[TR] Helenah lives near us [23:14] schestowitz[TR] you said you used to live in the UK also [23:14] reptilian_thrills thats right [23:15] schestowitz[TR] she's nice [23:15] reptilian_thrills lol wut [23:15] schestowitz[TR] and wonders why you don't seem to respond [23:15] reptilian_thrills /me turns the monitor sideways and back [23:15] reptilian_thrills maybe im not holding it right [23:16] TR News BMW: we helped the Nazis, now we help the US put listening devices in your car https://voicebot.ai/2022/09/30/alexa-custom-assistant-will-power-bmws-voice-ai/ [23:16] TR Bot Custom Assistant Will Power BMW's Voice AI - Voicebot.ai [23:16] Helenah Lol, what? You happened to have no seen the multiple things I've said to you? I'm not sure how you can see the lines of a select few people unless you have me on your ignore list... [23:16] schestowitz[TR] voice HEY HI [23:16] schestowitz[TR] we used to have other terms for bugs [23:16] schestowitz[TR] now it's HEY HI [23:16] schestowitz[TR] "Assistent" [23:16] schestowitz[TR] smart assistant" [23:17] schestowitz[TR] "welcome to hellenah" [23:17] reptilian_thrills she wore a raspberry spy [23:17] Helenah It's not a bug though if people opt to have it in their home. [23:17] Helenah A bug is something you didn't consent to. [23:17] schestowitz[TR] wait [23:17] reptilian_thrills the kind you buy second hand on ebay [23:17] schestowitz[TR] it's not that simpe [23:17] schestowitz[TR] gifting aaside [23:17] schestowitz[TR] some people share a home [23:17] schestowitz[TR] with family members [23:18] *reptilian_thrills has quit (connection closed) [23:18] schestowitz[TR] some companies put that in an office [23:18] schestowitz[TR] or inside car when you never opt in [23:18] Helenah Well in that case it's valid for members of the home. [23:18] *reptilian_thrills (~reptilian_thrills@96edgz5vmr7za.irc) has joined #techrights [23:18] schestowitz[TR] not all of them [23:18] schestowitz[TR] then there is antoher issue [23:18] schestowitz[TR] kids. [23:18] schestowitz[TR] do kids consent [23:18] schestowitz[TR] can they? [23:19] Helenah And doesn't the wake word not stop it from listening in? [23:19] schestowitz[TR] also, "kids say the arnest thing" [23:19] Helenah Can kids consent to having smart phones? [23:19] schestowitz[TR] -said asome famous pervery called bill [23:19] reptilian_thrills Helenah <- sorry if you were trying to talk to me before [23:19] Helenah They still have them [23:19] schestowitz[TR] not cosby and agtes [23:19] schestowitz[TR] or clinton [23:19] schestowitz[TR] and the kids can tell "alexa" sutf about mom and dad [23:19] schestowitz[TR] Can kids consent to having smart phones? [23:19] reptilian_thrills i nearly whitelist new names at this point [23:19] schestowitz[TR] no [23:19] Helenah reptilian_thrills: I made you out to be maybe secretly misogynist and this is a problem in myself, I'm sorry. [23:19] schestowitz[TR] and I ibject to them having those [23:19] schestowitz[TR] since the 90s [23:19] reptilian_thrills close enough [23:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-14.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-15.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [23:20] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: Kids didn't really have them in the 90s. [23:20] Helenah Well not in the UK [23:20] schestowitz[TR] Helenah: mystery solved [23:20] Helenah In the 90s, I never saw a kid with a mobile phone. [23:20] reptilian_thrills I made you out to be maybe secretly misogynist <- if you mean you assumed that i dont talk to women because theyre not smart enough, ada invented the loop and hopper invented modern languages [23:20] Helenah Because it was seen as not a toy [23:20] schestowitz[TR] whitelist based irc [23:20] Helenah therefore it was seen as something that a kid shouldn't have [23:20] reptilian_thrills if you mean that i defend alex oliva making stupid jokes in his 20s, yes [23:21] Helenah and yes I don't understand why all of a sudden it's fine for kids to have phones. [23:21] reptilian_thrills i think its safe to say everyones a little misogynist, hopefully not too much [23:21] schestowitz[TR] phones is one thing [23:21] schestowitz[TR] what we have now itn''s a phone [23:21] schestowitz[TR] but a spying device with a "Call" app [23:21] schestowitz[TR] aside from health issus [23:21] Helenah Well I say "phone" [23:21] schestowitz[TR] and those phones put kids at risk [23:21] Helenah cause everyone else does [23:21] schestowitz[TR] not just from pedos but also robberies [23:21] Helenah but I'm more for the old fashioned term of phone [23:22] Helenah the proper term [23:22] Helenah which means that to me [23:22] schestowitz[TR] remember when you were a kid [23:22] Helenah really smartphones are not phones [23:22] Helenah they're pocketable computers [23:22] schestowitz[TR] mom and dad would not give you 200 pounds in notes [23:22] Helenah general purpose embedded devices [23:22] reptilian_thrills /me really hope that shes not german [23:22] Helenah with a piece of software on it called a softphone [23:22] schestowitz[TR] just enough to buy some junk [23:22] reptilian_thrills but i dont think so [23:22] Helenah ie a telephone emulation [23:22] *geert (~geert@ktj658u2y4m3q.irc) has joined #techrights [23:22] schestowitz[TR] yeah, over time [23:23] schestowitz[TR] it becomes more ip-based [23:23] Helenah reptilian_thrills: It really is just a problem in myself. [23:23] schestowitz[TR] many now use whatsapp [23:23] schestowitz[TR] i never used it [23:23] Helenah I've been ghosted by guys loads of times. [23:23] schestowitz[TR] or saw it [23:23] schestowitz[TR] but I hear people use it a lot [23:23] Helenah maybe you weren't trying to ghost me. [23:23] reptilian_thrills ghosting sucks. though i only consider it ghosting personally if there was a friendship or relationship prior to the ghosting [23:23] frog what is ghosting? [23:23] Helenah Pascal was developed by a woman if I remember correctly. [23:23] reptilian_thrills no, i was just filtering the chat, its not because of you personally [23:24] Helenah oh [23:24] *geert huggs Helenah, schestowitz, frog and even reptilian_thrills [23:24] schestowitz[TR] the channel can be full of crap without filters [23:24] schestowitz[TR] I too filter the chat a bit [23:24] schestowitz[TR] not for the logs, just for me [23:24] Helenah Oh it wasn't pascal [23:24] geert interpretation [23:24] schestowitz[TR] hi geert [23:24] reptilian_thrills yeah sometimes ill miss something and go back and check the logs [23:24] geert :) [23:24] geert i got a bit sessy [23:24] Helenah It was cobal [23:24] reptilian_thrills i saw roy imply i was ignoring someone, wondered what he meant [23:24] Helenah cobol [23:24] reptilian_thrills then guessed correctly [23:24] geert plz no penal lines here too :s [23:24] Helenah Grace Hopper [23:25] reptilian_thrills 22:24 Grace Hopper [23:25] schestowitz[TR] yeah [23:25] schestowitz[TR] I was gonna say [23:25] DaemonFC Of course Walmart's beneficiary app only works in Internet Exploder. [23:25] reptilian_thrills 22:20 I made you out to be maybe secretly misogynist <- if you mean you assumed that i dont talk to women because theyre not smart enough, ada invented the loop and hopper invented modern languages [23:25] schestowitz[TR] pascal was my first proper p/l [23:25] schestowitz[TR] not scripting langs [23:25] reptilian_thrills yeah hopper invented modern languages (imo) [23:25] DaemonFC So I'm downloading a Virtualbox image of Windows 10 to deal with this. [23:25] DaemonFC Can you believe this fucking shit? [23:25] reptilian_thrills syntax-wise [23:25] schestowitz[TR] pascal become a subject of mystique about reptilian_thrills [23:26] reptilian_thrills pascal become a subject of mystique about reptilian_thrills <- this is so markov [23:26] Helenah reptilian_thrills: Yes I read that already :D [23:26] schestowitz[TR] because he left the chanbnel for months after a banal conversation about pascal had taken place [23:26] Helenah Though [23:26] Helenah It is hard keeping track in this channel [23:26] schestowitz[TR] so people figured out it cann't be pascal that out him off [23:26] DaemonFC https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/tools/vms/ [23:26] TR Bot Virtual Machines - Microsoft Edge Developer [23:26] Helenah because people seem to do a lot of dumping massive amounts of information [23:26] reptilian_thrills It is hard keeping track in this channel <- the bots dont help imo [23:26] DaemonFC The password to your VM is "Passw0rd!" [23:26] DaemonFC LOL [23:26] reptilian_thrills because people seem to do a lot of dumping massive amounts of information <- thats true [23:26] schestowitz[TR] reptilian_thrills: they are consistently name [23:26] schestowitz[TR] so easy to mute [23:26] schestowitz[TR] *nbamed [23:26] schestowitz[TR] *named [23:26] reptilian_thrills so easy to mute <- yes [23:26] reptilian_thrills thats fair [23:26] Helenah DaemonFC is notorious for the information dumping [23:27] Helenah No offense meant DaemonFC [23:27] geert oof i actually never got to properly utilize any p/l [23:27] schestowitz[TR] wall of text [23:27] schestowitz[TR] and also offensive at times [23:27] reptilian_thrills what do we want? wall! when do we want it? wall! [23:27] Helenah That... [23:27] Helenah I know that line... [23:27] Helenah It's from a song... [23:27] DaemonFC Someone activated mjg59_ earlier. [23:27] reptilian_thrills its actually from a guy in canada [23:27] Helenah What do we want? .... When do we want it? NOW! [23:27] Helenah Oh [23:28] reptilian_thrills yeah its based on an old chant [23:28] TR News Rare Electrical Recordings of the Human Brain Give Detailed Picture of Neural Activity https://www.nyu.edu/about/news-publications/news/2022/october/rare-electrical-recordings-of-the-human-brain-give-detailed-pict.html Source: uni New York [23:28] TR Bot Rare Electrical Recordings of the Human Brain Give Detailed Picture of Neural Activity [23:28] Helenah :D [23:28] DaemonFC Insert Quarter......get 15 minutes of mjg59_ ranting about transphobes that he saw in his morning cereal. [23:28] frog most people here talk to themselves only it seems [23:28] reptilian_thrills i dont think the chant can be traced to its author [23:28] reptilian_thrills its got a life of its own now [23:28] TR News "The adoption of online grocery is expected to be even higher in parts of Europe." https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/retail/our-insights/the-state-of-grocery-retail-around-the-world?cid=app [23:28] TR Bot global grocery retail sector in 2022 and beyond | McKinsey [23:29] Helenah I wonder how Grace Hopper felt competing in a male-oriented industry in those days? [23:29] reptilian_thrills folk music is like this too, things get attributed to the first guy to record it for sun house [23:29] Helenah 1950s cobol was developed, weren't it? [23:29] reptilian_thrills I wonder how Grace Hopper felt competing in a male-oriented industry in those days <- i mean she owned the floor when she walked into it [23:29] reptilian_thrills hopper was a boss [23:29] schestowitz[TR] afaik, cobol was like a spec [23:29] Helenah Hell I even got mansplained when building my shed. I just told all the men to go fuck off. [23:29] schestowitz[TR] and multiple implementations would exist [23:30] Helenah and the shed was complete [23:30] Helenah and sound [23:30] reptilian_thrills look at her in front of the univac, surrounded by guys (even a black guy, considering how old the picture is) [23:30] reptilian_thrills she commands respect [23:30] schestowitz[TR] Helenah: just try not to overgeneralise [23:30] schestowitz[TR] there are thousands of cultures in the world [23:30] schestowitz[TR] more than british accents ;-) [23:30] reptilian_thrills there are thousands of cultures in the world <- at least there used to be [23:31] reptilian_thrills hundreds of distros too [23:31] frog among the earliest programming languages were Zuse Plankalkuel and Algol [23:31] reptilian_thrills what design did you go for when building the shed [23:31] reptilian_thrills or did you draw the plans up [23:31] schestowitz[TR] thousands of distros if you count barely-used ones [23:31] schestowitz[TR] that DW did not list [23:31] schestowitz[TR] we used to have our own for boytcottnovell [23:31] schestowitz[TR] sueme linus [23:31] frog and there isn't hundreds of distros either, most of them just swap wallpaper and gnome theming [23:31] geert cultures, another name for often conditioned pretenses to try escape on reality of serious individualism [23:31] geert : feeling alone [23:31] reptilian_thrills sueme [23:31] reptilian_thrills he [23:31] reptilian_thrills he [23:32] geert in many occasions as i get to see it [23:32] geert gimme sec i get some incoming, hackers or something lol [23:32] schestowitz[TR] it was fashionable to make mixing tools for make-your-own distro over a decadea go [23:32] schestowitz[TR] but the fad pased [23:32] reptilian_thrills people still do it [23:32] reptilian_thrills its just not in vogue anymore [23:33] schestowitz[TR] you can make metapackages for it [23:33] schestowitz[TR] and use a template as base [23:33] reptilian_thrills i didnt because metapackages would be 100x more tedious [23:33] reptilian_thrills and not fix things i wanted the power to fix [23:33] reptilian_thrills my system worked around broken package REGIMES like apt [23:33] Helenah There you go, my shed built! I got no strength but I even lifted the flags. https://i.imgur.com/dg5krHy.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Q6zkFnN.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Ukey6yp.jpg https://i.imgur.com/PCoNeyj.jpg https://i.imgur.com/MCsxZVE.jpg https://i.imgur.com/AwU8a4k.jpg https://i.imgur.com/v58O2dU.jpg [23:33] Helenah Yep, I lifted slabs by hand. [23:33] Helenah on my own!!! [23:33] reptilian_thrills apt is a package middleman, its not even a manager [23:33] schestowitz[TR] https://blogs.gnome.org/alexl/2018/04/27/flatpak-inception/ [23:33] TR Bot Flatpak inception Alexander Larsson [23:33] Helenah lol [23:34] reptilian_thrills flatpak is even worse than apt [23:34] reptilian_thrills why does everything take users FARTHER from controlling their computing? wait, i know [23:34] reptilian_thrills because open source is the free software thermidor [23:34] phanes flatpak, snapd et al are based on flawed concepts and should not be used on any system [23:35] Helenah phanes: Agreed [23:35] frog the package management and build system of oasis linux are fundementally different, to most any other linux and bsd [23:35] Helenah and the concept was used by Google in their Android devices [23:35] reptilian_thrills counterrevolution os, now on github [23:35] TR News How Palantir will steal the NHS https://pluralistic.net/2022/10/01/the-palantir-will-see-you-now/#public-private-partnership espionage is NOT health [23:35] TR Bot Pluralistic: 01 Oct 2022 How Palantir will steal the NHS Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow [23:35] Helenah in that each app is contained inside its very own userland. [23:35] reptilian_thrills i have one google device and the batterys been dead since i moved here [23:35] Helenah So app 1 has userland 1, app 2 has userland 2 and so on and so forth. [23:35] frog flatpak is just another minor annoyance, to stay away from most of what free software communities excrete nowadays [23:35] phanes unless a package manager is introduced during the early stages of -building- the -os- prior to distribution then it can't meet its purpose [23:36] reptilian_thrills i could charge it, but unless i intend to use it i dont know why i would [23:36] Helenah And it was to take security out of the hands of users when users should be responsible for their own security. [23:36] TR News Donald Trump, January 6th, and the Elusive Search for Accountability | The New Yorker https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-bidens-washington/donald-trump-january-6th-and-the-elusive-search-for-accountability Source: New Yorker [23:36] TR Bot Donald Trump, January 6th, and the Elusive Search for Accountability | The New Yorker [23:36] reptilian_thrills perhaps it will refuse to charge :) [23:36] Helenah Instead people who are security-aware are now subject to mess arounds. [23:36] frog GNU shit with corporate branding [23:36] Helenah because of people setting like silly passwords excusing that behaviour with the fact they've to press buttons on a touchscreen. [23:36] Helenah Like... what I mean by mess arounds is like [23:37] TR News Lipstick on a Pig - Pixel Envy https://pxlnv.com/blog/lipstick-on-a-pig/ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//pxlnv.com/blog/lipstick-on-a-pig/ [23:37] TR Bot Lipstick on a Pig Pixel Envy [23:37] Helenah being subject to 2 factor authentication which is what the web developers want you to use even if you have your own way of keeping yourself secure, these developers will not allow you that choice. [23:37] Helenah I hate being forced to depend on a phone number. [23:37] reptilian_thrills sorry we need your phone number to accept the password on your anonymous account. [23:37] phanes yeah MFA won't be seen 10 years from now the same way its seen now [23:38] reptilian_thrills it will absolutely link all your separate accounts together, but we assure you, that does nother bother us. [23:38] TR News "A new tool now lets anyone see just how much money some users have lost after the troubled crypto lender filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in July." https://decrypt.co/111550/new-tool-shows-how-much-users-lost-celsius-bankruptcy [23:38] TR Bot New Tool Shows Just How Much Users Lost in Celsius Bankruptcy - Decrypt [23:38] reptilian_thrills if anything it makes your aggregate data much more valuable [23:38] Helenah The moment it was being widely used I was seeing it was a huge inconvenience phanes [23:38] reptilian_thrills when we sell it [23:38] Helenah More of an inconvenience than randomly generating passwords with high entropy and using password managers and using RSA keys. [23:38] reptilian_thrills people who foisted 2fa on the world should be lined up against a wall [23:39] Helenah And it isn't security, it's obscurity [23:39] schestowitz[TR] it's complexity [23:39] Helenah it's just making it hard for anyone who knows your credentials to actually use them [23:39] reptilian_thrills it isnt security, its invasion of privacy [23:39] Helenah If they find your phone, they're in [23:39] schestowitz[TR] and that gets worse when people steal a "phone" [23:39] phanes there's only so far arguments that rely entirely on trying to make people who point out problems with it can go [23:39] geert nah theres different types of 2fa applications [23:39] phanes there's only so far arguments that rely entirely on trying to make people who point out problems with it look stupid* can go [23:39] Helenah If you lose your phone, you could be in big shit. [23:39] geert dont necessarily need to be obscurity i think [23:39] Helenah with companies you owe cash to [23:39] reptilian_thrills biometric data isnt a password its a username [23:39] Helenah because you can't sign into your billing accounts to pay debts [23:39] reptilian_thrills your phone number isnt a password and shouldnt be used as one [23:40] Helenah because you know your credentials but your phone gone missing or broke. [23:40] phanes if someone hijacks your phone number you could be in bigger trouble [23:40] reptilian_thrills you should be able to get rid of your credentials and replace them easily [23:40] schestowitz[TR] phanes: beat me to it [23:40] reptilian_thrills with a phone number you cant [23:40] reptilian_thrills and thats a problem [23:40] Helenah Agreed [23:40] Helenah Totally in agreement [23:40] reptilian_thrills if anything, 2fa assists identity theft [23:41] Helenah Yep I wouldn't be surprised [23:41] TR News Layoffs at Sketch https://daringfireball.net/linked/2022/10/11/sketch-layoffs DaemonFC [23:41] TR Bot Daring Fireball: Layoffs at Sketch [23:41] schestowitz[TR] "Thats about one-third of their headcount, from my understanding." [23:41] phanes the most secure environments that actually need to be used by people, are ones that enforce strong password rotation policies with very moderate complexity requirements and optional MFA [23:42] schestowitz[TR] i had this argument with a boss this past week [23:42] schestowitz[TR] and we might win at the end [23:42] reptilian_thrills lol your boss [23:42] Helenah I know someone who works in an environment where security pull all the employees at the door as they're walking in to search them for technology and pens and paper. [23:42] schestowitz[TR] they try to introduce staff "phones" for 2fa [23:42] schestowitz[TR] and I object [23:42] Helenah And is then confiscated from them before they proceed in [23:42] Helenah Not kidding! [23:42] Helenah He's searched daily going in [23:42] reptilian_thrills government work? [23:42] Helenah He has to go in empty handed, empty pocketed, no bags. [23:43] schestowitz[TR] reptilian_thrills: I speak to him at 1am, one hour from now [23:43] reptilian_thrills i mean the security exchange commission is like that [23:43] schestowitz[TR] won't bring up this subject though [23:43] schestowitz[TR] it causes us to fight [23:43] Helenah He's only allowed his clothes on him. [23:43] Helenah reptilian_thrills: non-government [23:43] Helenah some software design company I know nothing about other than that. [23:43] reptilian_thrills non-government <- ridiculous! [23:43] reptilian_thrills workers rights [23:43] reptilian_thrills some software design company <- ooh, id love to know which one [23:43] Helenah Apparently they're terrified of the software taking a walk. [23:44] Helenah or even details of it being leaked [23:44] Helenah even if that's with ink and paper [23:44] reptilian_thrills defence contracts? [23:44] reptilian_thrills or just apple inc like paranoia [23:44] reptilian_thrills beacuse apple has a culture like that [23:44] Helenah He said something about that defense. [23:44] Helenah He was giving me vagueness... [23:44] reptilian_thrills yeah if its defence im not surprised [23:44] Helenah this is supposed to be a damn friend! [23:45] Helenah and I get vagueness... [23:45] Helenah lol [23:45] Helenah "Oh it's classified" [23:45] reptilian_thrills if he needs clearance and you dont have it, his hands are tied [23:45] Helenah What's classified? :D [23:45] reptilian_thrills right [23:45] reptilian_thrills so he cant tell you [23:45] Helenah Yep [23:45] reptilian_thrills for some reason i have no trouble getting clearance [23:45] reptilian_thrills though that was a while back [23:45] Helenah I believe when a classified document is accidentally dropped it wasn't an accident [23:45] Helenah but covered up as one by the person who dropped it [23:46] Helenah Some citizen found a classified document at a bus stop recently apparently [23:46] Helenah it was "accidentally dropped" [23:46] Helenah Bullshit [23:46] reptilian_thrills right? [23:46] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], I signed us up for some insurances that came as a IRS "menu plan" Section 125 deduction. [23:46] Helenah What's a damn lock box of classified documents doing at a bus stop and why was it opened there too? [23:46] Helenah I don't buy this story... [23:46] reptilian_thrills i mean human error happens [23:46] Helenah Yes but... [23:46] DaemonFC You get insurance and it triggers other tax deducations because they're all top-line. [23:46] reptilian_thrills but some things you should be suspicious [23:46] DaemonFC Pretty cool! [23:47] reptilian_thrills like its classified but they couldnt put them in a bag even [23:47] Helenah Nobody is going to take out a classified document from their brief case at a bus stop... [23:47] reptilian_thrills exactly [23:47] TR News "American Airlines CEO Robert Isom claims to know very little about JetBlue Mint, including whether it offers flat beds." https://onemileatatime.com/news/american-airlines-ceo-jetblue-mint/ Source: OMAAT | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//onemileatatime.com/news/american-airlines-ceo-jetblue-mint/ [23:47] TR Bot American Airlines CEO Doesn't Know About JetBlue Mint - One Mile at a Time [23:47] Helenah So I think they took it out and purposely dropped it thre for someone to find [23:47] Helenah to leak it [23:47] reptilian_thrills mmhmm [23:47] Helenah and then cover it up as human error [23:47] reptilian_thrills either because it was important for the public to know [23:47] reptilian_thrills or [23:47] Helenah Just think it through :D [23:47] DaemonFC Okay, I can pop this virtualmachine with Windows 10 into an emulator. [23:47] Helenah Yep [23:47] Helenah that's what I believe [23:47] reptilian_thrills to deliberately mislead the public [23:47] Helenah that whatever was in that document was sinister [23:48] reptilian_thrills those are the two reasons for leaks [23:48] Helenah and the public needed to know [23:48] DaemonFC And that should let me bring up Good Old Internet Exploder and use this stupid "app" on Walmart's site. [23:48] Helenah It was about the mobilisation of british military [23:48] reptilian_thrills wow [23:48] Helenah and it did mobilise! [23:48] Helenah They kept flying past me after the news... [23:48] Helenah cause there is military near here... [23:48] TR News "The second week of my batch at Recurse Center (RC) is a wrap, and it already feels like it's going too quickly. My batch is twelve weeks long, so I'm 17% through." https://ntietz.com/blog/rc-week-2-recap/ [23:48] TR Bot RC Week 2: Pairing is Awesome | nicholas@web [23:48] Helenah over head, not literally past [23:49] Helenah reptilian_thrills: munitions carriers. [23:49] reptilian_thrills HIII HELENAH, GOTTA GOOO, HITTING MACH TWOOOOO [23:49] reptilian_thrills whoooosh [23:49] Helenah Funnily enough, I actually own a munitions box. [23:49] Helenah and it's heavier than the paving flags. [23:49] reptilian_thrills keep your usbs in it? [23:50] Helenah like 100x heavier [23:50] TR News "We're a tightly-knit team of full-stack developers and we need someone who can help us with client communications." https://cendyne.dev/posts/2022-09-29-sketchy-job-interviews.html [23:50] TR Bot Sketchy Job Interviews [23:50] starstreak Adam Conover - Why There's No Such Thing as a Good Billionaire - https://yewtu.be/watch?v=0Cu6EbELZ6I [23:50] TR Bot Why There's No Such Thing as a Good Billionaire - Invidious [23:50] Helenah I seem to own loads of things... [23:50] TR News "One of the great advantages of using Groff is the almost instantaneous speed." https://box.matto.nl/create-presentation-slides-with-groff-and-mom.html [23:50] TR Bot presentation slides with Groff and mom - box.matto.nl [23:50] Helenah like a police whistle [23:50] Helenah Sheffield Constabulary [23:51] reptilian_thrills /me thinks constabulary is a hilarious word [23:51] DaemonFC mjg59_, Well, you know it's Windows because the progress bar is moving but the remaining time is going up. [23:51] DaemonFC All the "interesting" people.... [23:51] Helenah One of the things they're supposed to stop is "stabbing" but there the word "stab" is. :D [23:51] psydruid MFA sounds nice [23:51] reptilian_thrills there was a burglary at the constabulary, they took all the confectionaries [23:51] schestowitz[TR] constabulary :-) [23:52] reptilian_thrills constabulary btw [23:52] Helenah reptilian_thrills: You mean the donuts? :D [23:52] schestowitz[TR] Sheffield: we are good at KNIVES!! [23:52] starstreak i use arch linucks btw [23:52] psydruid just press buttons in these 100 apps to prove that you are you [23:52] Helenah "Went in for weapons, came out with donuts" :D [23:52] schestowitz[TR] they did a knives dance and show when we were in Sheffield in 2020 [23:52] reptilian_thrills all in a days work, ma'am [23:53] psydruid Windows 10x edition [23:53] schestowitz[TR] Vista Pro Ubuntu [23:53] schestowitz[TR] Ubuntu /home/edition [23:53] psydruid everything is 10x better, even the updates are 10x as good, because they take 10x the time to apply [23:53] reptilian_thrills pretty soon theyll write firmware for glucose meters that use your dna to unlock your phone over bluetooth [23:54] reptilian_thrills and people will have their genome stolen over wireless [23:54] Helenah Like I said before... [23:54] reptilian_thrills (i realise bandwidth issues make that implausible) [23:54] schestowitz[TR] now with Microsoft systemd-homed [23:54] Helenah there are too many copies of my genome to even count. [23:54] Helenah Not joking... [23:54] reptilian_thrills there are too many copies of my genome to even count. <- mick jagger too [23:54] reptilian_thrills he has that [23:54] DaemonFC I have to reboot to run akmod to build the VirtualBox kernel driver. [23:54] Helenah o.o [23:54] starstreak i hear good things about systemd-homed [23:55] DaemonFC Thank god I turned off mjg59_ boot or else I'd have to fuck around with that too,. [23:55] schestowitz[TR] oh, here we go again [23:55] reptilian_thrills i hear good things about systemd-homed <- you hang out with weird people [23:55] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:55] starstreak my friend who runs arch linux on servers [23:55] *Helenah dances to her music [23:55] reptilian_thrills probably in dodgy irc channels [23:55] Helenah reptilian_thrills: Basically it's been sequenced a load of times. [23:55] starstreak secret irc channels O:) [23:55] schestowitz[TR] #systemdarchdbtw [23:55] psydruid you gave mjg the boot [23:56] reptilian_thrills secret irc channels <- on the DARK WEB [23:56] schestowitz[TR] denyweb [23:56] reptilian_thrills you gave mjg the boot <- did he get banned again? [23:56] starstreak i don't know if its really "the dark web" [23:56] schestowitz[TR] it denies gchq [23:56] starstreak but its definately not clearnet [23:56] schestowitz[TR] they can't see what's happening ther [23:56] schestowitz[TR] ehence, CRIME [23:56] psydruid how to become a fedora systemd-homed ambassador [23:56] Helenah reptilian_thrills: whole genome, I know 100% of my genetics. [23:56] starstreak I use the cjdns software with a network called hyperboria [23:57] Helenah I know the reasoning for my red hair and everything. [23:57] reptilian_thrills I know 100% of my genetics. <- what will you do with all that power [23:57] reptilian_thrills I know the reasoning for my red hair and everything. <- your parents didnt love you [23:57] Helenah Good question [23:57] starstreak Helenah, oh did you do 23andme? [23:57] schestowitz[TR] your genetics will beocme generics [23:57] Helenah starstreak: No [23:57] reptilian_thrills sorry, red hair joke [23:57] Helenah I never done anything like that starstreak [23:57] starstreak I did [23:57] Helenah Oh [23:57] Helenah 23andMe don't sequence anywhere near your whole genome [23:58] Helenah they do around 0.07% of it [23:58] Helenah or so I hear [23:58] Helenah I don't fucking know the detail exactly... lol [23:58] schestowitz[TR] g-gnome [23:58] frog with or without systemd, it's still GNU toolchain and GNU buildsystem entangled everywhere [23:58] frog i don't accept this any longer [23:58] reptilian_thrills ggnome [23:58] schestowitz[TR] g-gnome.tools [23:58] reptilian_thrills ibm.fools [23:58] starstreak Helenah, I'm 77% British/Irish (not sure why it groups them), 9.9% finnish and 9% greek [23:58] frog that's my only plan currently, to remove this vendor-lock against GNU [23:59] Helenah starstreak: Maybe same landmass? [23:59] reptilian_thrills (not sure why it groups them) <- cause they dont want to start any troubles again [23:59] Helenah and therefore difficult to separate them? [23:59] schestowitz[TR] in 2100, brits find they are 90% canadian ;-) [23:59] starstreak Helenah, thats possible, though i have enough info on my family to suggest its probably mostly irish [23:59] reptilian_thrills in 2100, brits find they are 90% canadian <- blame canada