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XRevan86It's one of those cases where no parody could've worked betterDec 15 00:00
MinceRparody of oneselfDec 15 00:00
XRevan86just perfectDec 15 00:00
XRevan86Soy Americans, make your choiceDec 15 00:00
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DaemonFC[m]If you need any more evidence that we're living in A Scanner Darkly, the mall kiosk had an ad for an app where you could text message the police with information about your neighbors.Dec 15 02:40
DaemonFC[m]I don't think I've ever been so disgusted in my life.Dec 15 02:40
DaemonFC[m]911 had some barriers to using it, like, it had to be an emergency or you could go to jail.Dec 15 02:40
DaemonFC[m]Now people will just be "informing" the police constantly, about everything.Dec 15 02:40
DaemonFC[m]You know who else had citizen informants going to the police? East Germany.Dec 15 02:42
MinceRhungary had it tooDec 15 02:43
MinceRprobably the whole eastern bloc didDec 15 02:43
DaemonFC[m]Anyway, I was still horrified.Dec 15 02:49
DaemonFC[m]They've been pushing people to be police rats for a while now.Dec 15 02:49
DaemonFC[m]It's just going to enable people who complain about everyone anyway to get on those apps and send it all to the policeDec 15 02:50
DaemonFC[m]I'm trying to think what life would have been like growing up if that nasty old cunt across the street had an iPhone and this app.Dec 15 02:50
DaemonFC[m]Thankfully, my childhood was spared.Dec 15 02:50
DaemonFC[m]MinceR It's all based on the idea that everyone knows something incriminating on someone and everyone has axes to grind.Dec 15 02:53
DaemonFC[m]So leave this app out there and let it do its thing.Dec 15 02:54
DaemonFC[m]What's the easiest way to fuck someone over without getting yourself in trouble? Have the police do it!Dec 15 02:55
DaemonFC[m]It's fun to think of revenge, but if anything unfortunate happened to asshole, I'd be the first person they'd be questioning.Dec 15 02:58
DaemonFC[m]So I wish him a long and miserable life.Dec 15 02:58
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schestowitzlsDec 15 07:03
schestowitzwrong windows, obviously..Dec 15 07:05
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oiaohmschestowitz: I really miss having the bot that respond ls with the last 20 users to comment.Dec 15 10:42
schestowitzwhich bot?Dec 15 10:50
schestowitztechrights?/Dec 15 10:50
schestowitzother?Dec 15 10:50
schestowitztuxmachines?Dec 15 10:50
schestowitzirc?Dec 15 10:50
schestowitzok, okDec 15 10:51
schestowitzyou refer to "ls"Dec 15 10:51
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oiaohmschestowitz: it was the bot that was in gameblender a long time ago.Dec 15 10:54
oiaohmI still miss that feature.Dec 15 10:54
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XRevan86https://dm.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/eaund4Dec 15 12:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dm.reddit.com | Update on recent NGINX situation : sysadminDec 15 12:12
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MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/1909102Dec 15 15:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectDec 15 15:34
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mozilla Remains Confident Despite Dip In Revenue http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/131736 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c1a6d681-43ac-44c5-9a8b-00bc64e906e5]Dec 15 15:44
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/19090963Dec 15 16:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectDec 15 16:04
XRevan86switch (to_be) {Dec 15 16:06
XRevan86case 1:Dec 15 16:06
XRevan86case 0:Dec 15 16:06
XRevan86}Dec 15 16:06
zoobabhttps://ps.zoethical.org/t/why-offdem/2867Dec 15 16:06
zoobabOFFDEMDec 15 16:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ps.zoethical.org | Why OFFDEM? - OFFDEM - Petites SingularitésDec 15 16:06
zoobab"growing discontent with the evolution of FOSDEM: cultivating social grouping, accepting questionable sponsors that do not reflect the spirit of the free software community, and showing a neoliberal preference that translates by the refusal of public funding."Dec 15 16:07
schestowitzpages doesn't render wellDec 15 16:32
schestowitz"Unfortunately, your browser is too old to work on this site. Please upgrade your browser."Dec 15 16:32
schestowitzFork offDec 15 16:32
schestowitzUpgrade your site :-)Dec 15 16:32
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/19092817Dec 15 16:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectDec 15 16:36
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: John got a speeding ticket in Round Lake Heights.Dec 15 16:40
DaemonFC[m]He ended up taking a plea bargain to get court supervision for 12 months and a $262 fine. :)Dec 15 16:40
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: how much?Dec 15 16:41
DaemonFC[m]$262 and court supervision for 12 months.Dec 15 16:41
schestowitzProPublica wrote a lot about tickets in Chicago this past autumnDec 15 16:41
schestowitzI think they some debt cancellation for those unable to payDec 15 16:42
DaemonFC[m]Supervision in Illinois means you get a suspended part of the sentence that kicks in if you commit another offense while the supervision is active.Dec 15 16:42
DaemonFC[m]So if he gets in trouble for anything else in 12 months, he also gets points off his driver's license.Dec 15 16:42
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: The speeding ticket is pretty mild, really.Dec 15 16:42
DaemonFC[m]$262 is nothing compared with what it does to your car insurance for 3 years.Dec 15 16:43
DaemonFC[m]He'll end up paying another $1200 or so in car insurance over the next 3 years because of 1 speeding ticket.Dec 15 16:43
zoobab@schestowitz probably JS garbageDec 15 16:47
zoobabwith curl I can read itDec 15 16:48
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MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ba_humbugiDec 15 17:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Ba humbugi - WikipediaDec 15 17:19
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MinceRhttps://full.pr0gramm.com/2019/12/15/aac4c09fc5a35560.jpgDec 15 17:56
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Funding and Flunking http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/131748 [https://pleroma.site/objects/35b72ce0-a549-4e3d-ab81-8084dc96a10a]Dec 15 18:38
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XRevan86https://github.com/alexdredmon/cuteuidDec 15 19:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - alexdredmon/cuteuid: Generate cute UIDsDec 15 19:23
DaemonFC[m]Kiss Anime is a pretty funny site.Dec 15 19:27
DaemonFC[m]You have to use special filters jsut to make it work right again.Dec 15 19:28
DaemonFC[m]Cryptominers, anti-adblock, you name it.Dec 15 19:28
XRevan86Kiss Anime? Like https://themarysue.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/firefly-serenity-dinosaur-fight.gif ?Dec 15 19:29
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MinceRKnights In Satan's ServiceDec 15 19:36
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oiaohmhttps://www.zdnet.com/article/russian-police-raid-nginx-moscow-office/   << this could turn into a problem.Dec 15 19:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Russian police raid NGINX Moscow office | ZDNetDec 15 19:42
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schestowitzthe author is a problemDec 15 19:48
schestowitzand lwn sends him trafficDec 15 19:48
schestowitzin that poison siteDec 15 19:48
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oiaohmschestowitz: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-12-13/russia-raids-office-of-u-s-web-server-giant-in-copyright-clash  this one better?Dec 15 20:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot?Dec 15 20:04
schestowitzthanksDec 15 20:04
schestowitzI got my news on it first from XRevan86Dec 15 20:04
schestowitzthen from the meduza rss feedDec 15 20:05
schestowitzthen some online portalsDec 15 20:05
schestowitzbloolberg is a russophobic hiveDec 15 20:05
schestowitzso I would not want to rely on it for anything Russia-relatedDec 15 20:05
oiaohmTwo big problems what happens if the copyright cliam holds.Dec 15 20:05
oiaohmwhere are the signing keys.Dec 15 20:05
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XRevan86Meduza even got a bit of commentary SysoyevDec 15 20:07
XRevan86fromDec 15 20:07
XRevan86oiaohm: Somewhere in F5?Dec 15 20:07
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oiaohmXRevan86: exactly the point does the a possible hostile third party have those keys now after raid.Dec 15 23:00
XRevan86oiaohm: Keys get compromised all the timeDec 15 23:07
XRevan86If signing keys got into the wrong hands, I expect F5 to make new ones.Dec 15 23:08
XRevan86It's not like they're eternal. https://nginx.com/blog/updating-gpg-key-nginx-products/ (2016)Dec 15 23:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Updating the GPG Key for NGINX Products - NGINXDec 15 23:10
oiaohmXRevan86: I know they do but after a raid like this you have to be watching for a key updateDec 15 23:12
XRevan86oiaohm: We'll see, shouldn't be taking too long.Dec 15 23:14
XRevan86If they won't issue a new one in a day or two, then it must've not been leaked.Dec 15 23:15
XRevan86Whatever, the technical side of this is nothing they can't handle.Dec 15 23:16
XRevan86Now "justice", that's where all the crap's in.Dec 15 23:18
XRevan86It's a tricky case, because the police is not interested in closing the case, as then they'd have to go after the offshore on grounds of fraudDec 15 23:20
XRevan86But they cannot, because it's out of their jurisdiction, so that leaves them with a case suspended indefinitely.Dec 15 23:21
XRevan86But I don't see how they can proceed with it either, it's absolute pure nonsense.Dec 15 23:22
XRevan86But they initiated it, so I can only guess they had an idea of how to proceed with it.Dec 15 23:23
XRevan86I will be monitoring this closely, I'm quite invested %).Dec 15 23:25
XRevan86Basically, this isn't over yet.Dec 15 23:25
MinceRhttps://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/10/29/dc9950f6385fa8d8.jpgDec 15 23:27
XRevan86MinceR: StarGate 0?Dec 15 23:30
XRevan86Origins that isDec 15 23:30
MinceRi thought it was referring to the movieDec 15 23:31
XRevan86MinceR: I don't think the movie elaborated on the symbols enough yet.Dec 15 23:32
oiaohmI had not noticed the certification date.   1928 on that image.Dec 15 23:32
oiaohmWhere does that fit into the story.Dec 15 23:33
XRevan86"2006" – definitely not Origins thoughDec 15 23:33
XRevan86A fanmade illustration of how such a document would've looked like I guess.Dec 15 23:34
XRevan86oiaohm: The Stargate was dug out in EgyptDec 15 23:35
XRevan86What doesn't fit, I think, are the descriptive markings, as how would anyone in 1928 know (inb4 time travel) which symbol leads to the Pegasus galaxy.Dec 15 23:36
*XRevan86 puts a stamp: unapproved.Dec 15 23:37
XRevan86This is technically incorrect, the worst kind of incorrect.Dec 15 23:37
MinceRis the pegasus galaxy in a constellation?Dec 15 23:37
MinceRoh, the pegasus constellationDec 15 23:38
MinceRso it's not the galaxDec 15 23:38
MinceRyDec 15 23:38
MinceRthough the galaxy is probably that way :>Dec 15 23:38
XRevan86https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_Dwarf_Spheroidal_GalaxyDec 15 23:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Pegasus Dwarf Spheroidal Galaxy - WikipediaDec 15 23:40
XRevan86https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_Galaxy_(Stargate) %)Dec 15 23:40
MinceRwhat i don't get is how 1 symbol is supposed to be both necessary and sufficient for the origin pointDec 15 23:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Mythology of Stargate - WikipediaDec 15 23:40
MinceRwell, another would be that constellations don't really tend to be a placeDec 15 23:41
MinceRthe stars that make them up tend to vary wildly in distance from the earthDec 15 23:41
*XRevan86 refuses to analyse technical aspects of a show's mythos, where all galaxies talk English.Dec 15 23:42
MinceR:)Dec 15 23:43
MinceRwell, it's known why humans in the milky way talk english, iircDec 15 23:44
MinceRSG-1 used the Time Jumper to go back in time and teach people english, or something like thatDec 15 23:44
XRevan86- English, motherfscker, do you speak it?Dec 15 23:44
MinceR(though that doesn't really explain why it didn't develop into something unrecognizable)Dec 15 23:44
XRevan86- A specimen from another galaxy that sees humans for the first time: what am I to you, illiterate?Dec 15 23:45
MinceRi suppose you'd prefer h2g2, as they have Babel FishDec 15 23:45
XRevan86MinceR: Even FarscapeDec 15 23:45
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_Dwarf_Irregular_GalaxyDec 15 23:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Pegasus Dwarf Irregular Galaxy - WikipediaDec 15 23:46
XRevan86And Doctor Who, although TARDIS as a universal translator introduced a lot of plot holesDec 15 23:46
MinceR:>Dec 15 23:46
XRevan86TARDIS is gone, English is still spoken just fine. They thought I wouldn't notice.Dec 15 23:47
XRevan86> The Pegasus Galaxy is the name of a dwarf galaxy in the Local Group. It actually has two galaxies: The Pegasus Dwarf Irregular Galaxy and The Pegasus Dwarf Spheroidal Galaxy. However, it is most likely that it is the former because when the Pegasus galaxy has been seen from the Midway station you see a galaxy that has an irregular shape.Dec 15 23:48
XRevan86Yea, I linked to the wrong one.Dec 15 23:48
XRevan86I compared them by size and distance to the Milky Way, and figured it must be the other, closer and larger one, but no.Dec 15 23:52
MinceRwhat are their sizes?Dec 15 23:52
oiaohmXRevan86: the Dr who story does fill in that TARDIS one and the translator.   Once you have been in the TARDIS you are basically always bound to it.Dec 15 23:53
XRevan86oiaohm: There are episodes when it's goneDec 15 23:53
XRevan86Like, you know, very goneDec 15 23:53
MinceR:)Dec 15 23:54
oiaohmAlways bound across time and space.    XRevan86Dec 15 23:54
MinceRtimey wimey ballDec 15 23:54
XRevan86DestroyedDec 15 23:54
oiaohmXRevan86: in all time events.Dec 15 23:54
oiaohmXRevan86: Dr Who nonlinear time.   Yes it was Destroyed but who said that that point in time TARDIS was doing the translation.Dec 15 23:56
XRevan86MinceR: 5′.0 × 2′.7 and 4′.0 × 2′.0, the former being Irregular. I got it wrong.Dec 15 23:56
MinceRthose are apparent sizes, thoughDec 15 23:56
MinceRthat is, view angles from earthDec 15 23:56
XRevan86MinceR: Should be good enough, no?Dec 15 23:57
MinceRnoDec 15 23:57
MinceRnaturally it will look bigger if it's closer, after allDec 15 23:57
XRevan86I didn't get closeness wrongDec 15 23:57
XRevan86The farther one is the larger one.Dec 15 23:58
MinceRahDec 15 23:58
MinceR16 005212 < XRevan86> I compared them by size and distance to the Milky Way, and figured it must be the other, closer and larger one, but no.Dec 15 23:58
MinceRyou got this one wrongDec 15 23:59
MinceRit's the farther and larger one :>Dec 15 23:59
XRevan86MinceR: Yes, I did.Dec 15 23:59

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