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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Best Notepad++ Alternatives for Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/137668 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a3518505-3bd2-4253-a2a3-46615d1841e0]May 16 00:02
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Benchmarking Amazon's Graviton2 Performance With 64 Neoverse N1 Cores Against Intel Xeon, AMD EPYC http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/137669 [https://pleroma.site/objects/85bb0512-8cd1-4338-b13a-13043164f0dc]May 16 00:03
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: How to Install and Use GNOME Boxes to Create Virtual Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/137671 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b7478af3-052c-46e3-a252-9ef09339a25d]May 16 00:05
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Little Linux wireless gateway keeps it simple http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/137672 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9c129e25-9173-4ec8-bcbd-46b4df1b18b0]May 16 00:06
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Modicia OS Ultimate Comes With Cool, Unique UI Twists http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/137673 [https://pleroma.site/objects/43fd7021-59f9-47d3-b794-060427712bb9]May 16 00:07
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decnetPing ..May 16 00:29
XRevan86decnet: pongMay 16 00:29
decnetGreetings .. how is coronavirus treating you?May 16 00:31
XRevan86decnet: I'm in Russia.May 16 00:32
schestowitzhi decnetMay 16 00:32
XRevan86Does that work as an answer? %)May 16 00:32
decnethi Schest ..May 16 00:32
decnetIn russia coronavirus sentenced to twenty years in the Gulag :]May 16 00:33
XRevan86At least I'm not in Belarus' %)May 16 00:33
decnetBelarus .. why?May 16 00:33
XRevan86decnet: No measures at all.May 16 00:36
decnethttps://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-one-leader-looks-hell-bent-on-turning-covid-19-into-a-catastrophe-for-his-country-11985736May 16 00:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.sky.com | Coronavirus: One leader looks hell-bent on turning COVID-19 into a catastrophe for his country | World News | Sky NewsMay 16 00:37
decnetWhy is everybody so fucking stupid .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9_tkO03wZIMay 16 00:38
XRevan86Russia pays consequences for several Parade repetitions.May 16 00:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why is everybody so fucking stupid - YouTubeMay 16 00:38
XRevan86But Belarus' even went with it.May 16 00:38
XRevan86* pays theMay 16 00:38
XRevan86Belarus' takes away a Russian state channel's licence for covering the COVID-19 situation in the country.May 16 00:40
XRevan86That's the most bizarre reason for tensions.May 16 00:40
decnetAh .. ignorance is bliss ...May 16 00:40
XRevan86And it's bizarre to see Russian state propaganda getting the boot for being good.May 16 00:41
XRevan86They tasted their own medicine.I guess.May 16 00:41
decnetOK .. back to technology .. what's a good desktop OS without SystemD ?May 16 00:43
XRevan86decnet: Devuan, Void LinuxMay 16 00:43
XRevan86Gentoo, Alpine if you're up to itMay 16 00:44
decnetSome time back, briefly tried both on a USB ..May 16 00:44
XRevan86Slackware, CRUX if you're really up to itMay 16 00:44
XRevan86LFS if you're so up to it you have the high ground.May 16 00:44
decnetLFS ?May 16 00:45
decnetLinux From Scratch (LFS)May 16 00:45
decnetTrouble is, Ubuntu with Synaptic package manager is so easy, do I want to learn another system?May 16 00:46
XRevan86decnet: I don't know, you asked, I answered %)May 16 00:47
XRevan86decnet: Devuan has Synaptic, so there's that.May 16 00:47
decnetEnthuse me ..May 16 00:47
XRevan86decnet: Oh, I forgot about Artix, a systemd-less ArchMay 16 00:50
XRevan86And about weird ones like Guix SD and NixOS.May 16 00:50
decnetsome time back, I tried some distros running from a USB .. and they were more responsive than the native install running on a generic harddrive!May 16 00:50
decnetAs long as you ran only two app at a time ..May 16 00:51
XRevan86decnet: RAM is more responsive than HDDMay 16 00:51
decnetI upgraded to a SSD .. boots and runs fairly OK ..May 16 00:52
XRevan86[RESOLVED][FIXED]May 16 00:52
decnetWhere can i download more RAM?May 16 00:52
XRevan86https://downloadmoreram.com/ duhMay 16 00:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-DownloadMoreRAM.com - CloudRAM 2.0May 16 00:52
decnetSeriously, time to upgrade to a bigger machine!May 16 00:53
decnetXRev: have you watched Devs? https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8134186/May 16 00:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Devs (TV Mini-Series 2020) - IMDbMay 16 00:55
cubexyz:qMay 16 00:55
decnetcubexys: what ?May 16 00:56
cubexyznothing, wrong screenMay 16 00:56
XRevan86decnet: What a lazy name %)May 16 00:56
decnetIt's historical .. :]May 16 00:56
schestowitzlolMay 16 00:58
XRevan86> Lily convinces Jamie to crack the program on Sergei's phone and finds it is a Russian government messaging app that Sergei—a suspected industrial spy—was using to contact his handler.May 16 01:00
XRevan86TamTam? %)May 16 01:00
decnetThe ruskies wouldn't be that careless!May 16 01:00
XRevan86They'd use XMPP, duhMay 16 01:01
decnetThere's a book out detailing how the KGB used bug the typewriters in the Embassy.May 16 01:01
decnethttps://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a30370413/typewriter-bugging-cold-war/May 16 01:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.popularmechanics.com | How the KGB Bugged American Typewriters During the Cold WarMay 16 01:02
XRevan86decnet: I read about that, yes.May 16 01:02
decnetThey replaced a backplate on the typewriter that transmitted a compressed burst-mode signal to a nearby antenna.May 16 01:02
XRevan86Not an actually Russian actor, but he looks kinda like Ilya Prusikin, so I'll give it a pass :DMay 16 01:03
decnetThey use the side-bands of a local television station, so they were virtually undetectable.May 16 01:03
decnetWho 'Ilya Prusiki'May 16 01:04
XRevan86decnet: A guy who's been on YouTube since forever and now also a famous musician.May 16 01:05
decnetThe reciever was in a false chimney next to the Embassy. The copper roof serving as a collector. With the main antenn pointing up, with a co-ax cable leading to a tunnel. - yea really -May 16 01:06
XRevan86https://cdn24.img.ria.ru/images/07e4/03/03/1567686207_0:107:2968:1777_600x0_80_0_0_53a21c43718f6e700bc440434b4c7799.jpg (guy on the left)May 16 01:06
decnetNever disguise a secret msg app on yer phone as a game of Soduko :]May 16 01:07
decnethttps://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-history/silicon-revolution/the-crazy-story-of-how-soviet-russia-bugged-an-american-embassys-typewritersMay 16 01:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-spectrum.ieee.org | Full Page ReloadMay 16 01:08
XRevan86decnet: Yes, just use a designated sshchat :DMay 16 01:08
XRevan86protip: don't keep history of treacherous talkMay 16 01:10
decnetThe app must perform as normal, until you press the keys in a particular sequence. If the wrong sequence is entered then the phone self-wipes.May 16 01:10
XRevan86decnet: Or you could just use an XMPP client, and type the JID each time manually, but don't keep itMay 16 01:11
XRevan86without MAM enabled and with OMEMOMay 16 01:11
decnet"protip: don't keep history of treacherous talk" .. and don't use IRC :]May 16 01:11
XRevan86decnet: This channel is as public as it getsMay 16 01:11
decneti know ..May 16 01:12
XRevan86decnet: Self-hosted IRC with TLS can do the job too.May 16 01:12
decnetExplain: XMPP, MAM, OMEMO ?May 16 01:12
XRevan86decnet: XMPP == Jabber, a federated IMMay 16 01:13
XRevan86MAM – Message Archive Management, an extension for XMPP for server-side message archivalMay 16 01:13
decnetAnything that passes through someone elses computer can be intercepted.May 16 01:13
XRevan86OMEMO – E2EE for XMPP, Double Ratchet inspiredMay 16 01:13
XRevan86decnet: Clearly they didn't intercept, they had to access his deviceMay 16 01:14
XRevan86and the best remedy against that is to have nothing on itMay 16 01:14
decnetWell, a feller working on a secret project and his phone isn't being tapped :oMay 16 01:15
XRevan86and one doesn't have to invent the wheel to achieve thatMay 16 01:15
decnetEven if they can't decrypt, they can track the communication.May 16 01:16
XRevan86decnet: Except here inventing the wheel is even more on the noseMay 16 01:16
decnetIt's 01:16 .. time to go .. may drop in tomorrow night ...May 16 01:17
XRevan86decnet: bonan noktonMay 16 01:17
decnet.. going ... going .... goneMay 16 01:17
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DaemonFC[m]JC Penney filed bankruptcy todayMay 16 01:26
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/137675 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7d959f50-1340-4b29-8602-111e2865c0e4]May 16 01:33
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Half-Life: Alyx Update and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/137676 [https://pleroma.site/objects/75d2b93e-d483-4d8c-b8aa-42462a9b77c2]May 16 01:35
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kali Linux 2020.2 Released, Download Now!!! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/137523#comment-25079 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c4fb660e-ccb1-480b-8914-94c8631c4d62]May 16 01:55
XRevan86https://i.ibb.co/f2F2WMC/mobile-reddit.png I wonder since when mobile reddit doesn't always assume ChromeMay 16 01:57
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Screencasts/Audiocasts/Shows: Pop!_OS 20.04 LTS, LHS, Linux Headlines, and Technical Debt http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/137677 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7a59b454-4dd0-494c-b457-6fdab0ebd7df]May 16 02:08
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mozilla: Looping, Treeherder and Forget Me Not http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/137678 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f432cf5f-75fd-484a-800d-5eeb5e1b8514]May 16 02:11
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Python Programming http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/137679 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b502d445-b8ba-4d0e-949d-b6c6ac1b9c96]May 16 02:14
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Fedora/GNOME and IBM/Red Hat http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/137681 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b33e1736-9f4f-4235-aff9-aa8483ecc626]May 16 02:31
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Openwashing and FUD http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/137682 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7575c3f7-5d37-4ebb-9a28-3ab6883986fc]May 16 02:35
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming: ALGOL, GStreamer, oneAPI and COBOL http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/137683 [https://pleroma.site/objects/964064f4-abca-49e9-b58a-3484e934fabc]May 16 02:43
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: what are they?May 16 02:50
DaemonFC[m]The department store?May 16 02:52
schestowitzXRevan86: looks like firefox 'mobile edition' to meMay 16 02:52
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: that's what I was guessingMay 16 02:52
schestowitzsome dept. stores here will shut down alsoMay 16 02:52
schestowitzat least their lesser proftable branchesMay 16 02:52
schestowitzthey will reopen only for clearances of stocks I assume, shutdown salsMay 16 02:52
schestowitzsalesMay 16 02:52
schestowitzbut who's buying home decor now anyway?May 16 02:52
schestowitzXRevan86: the icons seem to resemble (to me) some firefox things I sawMay 16 02:53
schestowitzso maybe reddit just detects the visitors as ff users?May 16 02:53
schestowitzhttp://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2020/05/15/enlarged-board-of-appeal-plants-and-animals-cannot-be-patented-after-all/#commentsMay 16 03:32
schestowitz"May 16 03:32
schestowitzConcurring with Concerned Observer, it is necessary to say goodbye to the independence of the EBA, and hence to that of the BA. The EBA played the game wanted by the administrative council and the president.May 16 03:32
schestowitzI cannot imagine the CJEU rewriting a prejudicial question referred to it in order to give a politically correct reply wished by the commission or a member state.May 16 03:32
schestowitzI always thought that a court cannot decide ultra petita, but that is exactly what the EBA did. This decision is disastrous to say the least.May 16 03:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Enlarged Board of Appeal: plants and animals cannot be patented after all - Kluwer Patent BlogMay 16 03:32
schestowitzThat laws may be amended with time in order to bring it in line with evolving societal criteria is not at stake. That the interpretation of the EPC by the EBA might not have been the best one in its decision about broccoli and tomatoes, is one thing. At the time it was accepted. But to behave as the EBA did now is flabbergasting.May 16 03:32
schestowitzThe only clean way to deal with the problem raised was an amendment of Art 53, b). So rather than do what would have been legally necessary, the EBA is now accomplice of those wanting to amend the EPC without using the proper mechanism. Was the fear of its members not being reappointed so great that the EBA gave in?May 16 03:32
schestowitzI can see such changes also being adopted for other fundamental aspects. At least the members of the EBA ruling in G 3/08 had the guts to resist the then president.May 16 03:32
schestowitzI would not see any Machiavellian plot followed by the EBA, rather sheer lack of spine. But at least the question of the independence of the Boards is now on the table, and the problem has to be tackled urgently. The reforms introduced in 2016 have to be scrutinised again. Rather than increasing the independence of the Boards they did the contrary as we have now seen with G 3/19.May 16 03:32
schestowitzBy the way, when will a conference of ministers in charge of IP as provided in Art 4a EPC2000 be summoned? This could have been a perfect topic for such a conference. That the previous president did not like it, and the new one even so, is not a compelling reason. But for this the tail should not be wagging the dog.May 16 03:32
schestowitz"May 16 03:32
schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2019/04/pepper-gets-spicy-epo-presidents.html?showComment=1589477972706#c5669554217579595331May 16 03:38
schestowitz"May 16 03:38
schestowitzPreliminary note: The text of the referral is still not to be found in the file. May 16 03:38
schestowitzWhilst T 351/03 (oncomouse) deals primarily with Art 53(a) and only subsidiary with Art 53(b), T 272/95 (relaxin) is silent about Art 53(b) and deals exclusively with Art 53(a). May 16 03:38
schestowitzIt is thus primarily daring to state that T 1063/18 is in conflict with those two decisions. May 16 03:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Pepper gets spicy: The EPO President's Referral to the EBA - The IPKatMay 16 03:38
schestowitzIn both decisions, there was no interpretation of the EPC by the EBA which could have influenced a BA. Both decisions were decisions of a BA without reference to any interpretation of the EPC by the BA. May 16 03:38
schestowitzReferring to G 2/07 seems a priori more convincing, but this is a different story. When deciding upon G 2/12 and G 2/13, the EBA was well aware of G 2/07. It did not withheld the EBA to change its view or case law.May 16 03:38
schestowitzThis is not the first time that the EBA changed its case law. It has already done so when going from G 1/84 (opposition by the proprietor) to G 9/93 (the proprietor cannot oppose its own patent). May 16 03:38
schestowitzWhat is valid, is the latest version of the case law, here G 2/12 and G 2/13, and not G 2/07. May 16 03:38
schestowitzIt is not the first time that the EBA contests a decision of the AC, see G 6/95. In case of G 6/95, The Enlarged Board of Appeal did not accept the interpretation of Art 23(4) which was proposed by the President of the EPO in his comments, to the effect that the RPBA must always comply with the current version of the Implementing Regulations. What was at stake there was the independence of the boards. May 16 03:38
schestowitzAt the time of G 6/95, the Rules of Procedure were decided by the Praesidium of the boards. Nowadays they will be decided by the Boards of Appeal Committee, the boards being simply heard, cf. R 12, c). One could therefore conclude that the independence of the boards was greater at that time. May 16 03:38
schestowitzSettling a point of law by a de facto binding decision of the Enlarged Board of Appeal might certainly be of great interest and importance for applicants, but this does not mean that it ought to be settled according to the views of the president and of the AC. May 16 03:38
schestowitzWhat the president and the AC want is that the EBA revises its case law and adapt G2/12 and G 2/13 to the notice of the Commission. .May 16 03:38
schestowitzThis should be resisted. If not the independence of the boards will become a paper tiger. May 16 03:38
schestowitzThis referral should have the same fate as G 3/08, i.e. be dismissed as not admissible. May 16 03:38
schestowitzIf the AC and the president want a different interpretation of Art 53 (b), there is a way: amend it. But is more complicated, but would be legal and acceptable. But certainly not twisting the arm the EBA. May 16 03:38
schestowitz"May 16 03:38
schestowitz"May 16 03:38
schestowitzRose HughesThursday, 14 May 2020 at 18:39:00 BSTMay 16 03:38
schestowitzYou took the words right out of Merpel's mouth:May 16 03:38
schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/05/breaking-eba-finds-plants-produced-by.htmlMay 16 03:38
schestowitz"May 16 03:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | BREAKING: EBA finds plants produced by essentially biological processes are NOT patentable (G3/19) - The IPKatMay 16 03:38
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schestowitzThey still misuse Merpel's nameMay 16 03:43
schestowitzthose patent maximalistsMay 16 03:43
schestowitzMerpel as a name did good workMay 16 03:43
schestowitzthese MFers defend criminalsMay 16 03:43
schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/05/breaking-eba-finds-plants-produced-by.html?showComment=1589481882228#c2966507389050877159May 16 03:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | BREAKING: EBA finds plants produced by essentially biological processes are NOT patentable (G3/19) - The IPKatMay 16 03:44
schestowitz"May 16 03:44
schestowitzOne can say goodbye to the independence of the EBA, and hence to that of the BA. The EBA played the game wanted by the administrative council and the president.May 16 03:44
schestowitzI cannot imagine the CJEU rewriting a prejudicial question referred to it in order to give a politically correct reply wished by the commission or a member state. May 16 03:44
schestowitzI always thought that a court cannot decide ultra petita, but that is exactly what the EBA did.May 16 03:44
schestowitzThat laws may be amended with time in order to bring it in line with evolving societal criteria is not at stake. That the interpretation of the EPC by the EBA might not have been the best one in its decision about broccoli and tomatoes, is one thing. At the time it was accepted. But to behave as the EBA did now is flabbergasting.May 16 03:44
schestowitzThe only clean way to deal with the problem raised was an amendment of Art 53, b). So rather than do what would have been legally necessary, the EBA is now accomplice of those wanting to amend the EPC without using the proper mechanism. Was the fear of its members not being reappointed so great that the EBA gave in? I can see such changes also being adopted for other fundamental aspects. At least the members of the EBA ruling in G 3/08May 16 03:44
schestowitzhad the guts to resist the then president. May 16 03:44
schestowitzWhen will a conference of ministers in charge of IP as provided in Art 4a EPC2000 be summoned? This could have been a perfect topic for such a conference. That the previous president did not like it, and the new one even so, is not a compelling reason. But for this the tail should not be wagging the dog. May 16 03:44
schestowitz"May 16 03:44
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cubexyzoiaohm, the Xeon E1620 system came up as i686 in slackware May 16 04:17
cubexyzvery odd I thoughtMay 16 04:17
schestowitzI'm getting reports about attacks on hospitals that use Windows:May 16 05:58
schestowitz"I've tarred up a score of articles about other hospital and civic attacks from  this year.  I've got older articles reporting an upsurge in ransomware  attacks in 2017, and hospitals targeted in early 2018, but they would take  longer to archive than this round up.  The latest bunch of articles that I've  included here are mostly from this year, and seem to show an uptick over the  last few months.  Soon, I'll give you sftp access to May 16 05:58
schestowitzmy archives and will  just be able to point you to my indexes."May 16 05:58
schestowitzamazing number of attacksMay 16 05:58
schestowitzwe ought to do more articles about this...May 16 05:58
schestowitzhmmm.. pleroma.site has not been down for about 3 hoursMay 16 08:08
schestowitzhard to tell when or if it'll be back online todayMay 16 08:08
schestowitzfediverse leaves you out when one person who maintains the instance snoozesMay 16 08:08
schestowitzunless that person is you... and even then the physical host might be down to no avail when you reach oytMay 16 08:09
schestowitz*outMay 16 08:09
schestowitz??? https://joindiaspora.com/posts/18126773May 16 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: There's a C&D against FSF in the moment, I learned earlier this week...May 16 08:39
schestowitzWhat's that about?May 16 08:39
schestowitzFrom a bit of a crankMay 16 08:39
schestowitz(the C&D)May 16 08:40
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oiaohmschestowitz: you do have to ask how many of these randomware attacks are targeted or how many are just poor general it security.   Lot of hospitals put lot of training into medical and almost nothing into it security basics. May 16 10:03
schestowitzthe NSA has back doors for Windows and some attacks leverage those back doors' NSA toolsMay 16 10:03
schestowitzso we know there's another level to these attacks, requiring no staff interventionMay 16 10:04
oiaohmLot of those NSA backdoors are not exploitable by correctly desgined networks.May 16 10:04
oiaohmNSA is a fun one they have backdoors and write polices to make USA government networks secure.May 16 10:05
oiaohmOf course USA hospitals are not required to follow those polices.May 16 10:06
XRevan86schestowitz: Yes, it is Firefox for Android. Reddit has been showing a suggestion to use their application with an option to continue using "Chrome" on any Android browser before.May 16 10:19
XRevan86schestowitz: So they changed that, that's good. It's still a nag, so that's bad %).May 16 10:20
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oiaohmcubexyz: I have seen overheated/fried intel chips in fact stop reporting as what they are so come i686 to everything.May 16 13:25
oiaohmI have also seen bad detection do the same thing.May 16 13:25
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schestowitzBetter bad 'fan' mail than hate mail and death threats https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/1261686692446076929May 16 16:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: does he mean me...? https://t.co/YtC1mMkdShMay 16 16:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mmasnick: We get fan mail. https://t.co/UlIOC9anPhMay 16 16:57
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/albclaire/status/1261660448367292417May 16 16:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@albclaire: @schestowitz https://t.co/baVtHmXsHKMay 16 16:59
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jrobertson/status/1261630768687677441May 16 17:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jrobertson: If you think we're not at war, you are wrong, it's silent, and they're not wearing uniforms, or pointing guns at pe… https://t.co/NC0G4fkYfGMay 16 17:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jrobertson: If you think we're not at war, you are wrong, it's silent, and they're not wearing uniforms, or pointing guns at pe… https://t.co/NC0G4fkYfGMay 16 17:02
schestowitzIf you think we're not at war, you are wrong, it's silent, and they're not wearing uniforms, or pointing guns at people.""May 16 17:02
scientes"and as multiplication was treated geometrically he did not use the product of more than 3 different numbers."May 16 17:25
scienteswoahMay 16 17:25
scientesthe master of geometry has bass-awkwards multiplicationMay 16 17:25
scientesi.e. no algorithmsMay 16 17:25
scientesand lack of Hindu-Arabic numeralsMay 16 17:26
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz Did you hear about the attack on that law firm that they're blackmailing now? They claim they have compromising material on Trump.May 16 18:04
DaemonFC[m]If he pays them $48 million dollars not to release it, meh. One bunch of shitheads getting one over on a giant shithead. May 16 18:05
DaemonFC[m]I'd rather that they release it, personally.May 16 18:05
DaemonFC[m]I'm interested in what's in it.May 16 18:05
DaemonFC[m]https://medium.com/@prashantfonseka/brita-filters-and-moving-d4edc50954edMay 16 18:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Brita and Moving - Prashant Fonseka - MediumMay 16 18:08
DaemonFC[m]The Brita Stream is kind of dumb. It doesn't actually filter much. That's why it's so fast.May 16 18:08
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: sounds typicalMay 16 18:09
DaemonFC[m]I did get my binchotan charcoal sticks and activated them and put them in my water jug in the fridge. 8 hours later I tried my first glass. It does improve the taste more even if you used a Brita filter in the first place.May 16 18:11
DaemonFC[m]A little bit of the overwheming flavor of chlorine and wet dog does survive a standard Brita filter. It probably gets rid of 90% of it, but if you concentrate, some is definitely still there.May 16 18:12
DaemonFC[m]These charcoal sticks being in there all the time obviously absorb whatever was making it past the Brita and finish making the water taste good.May 16 18:13
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz I threw an ambulance bill from the town where the cops arrested me later into the bankruptcy.May 16 18:24
DaemonFC[m]That basically cancels out about the entire part of my fine that the village got from me.May 16 18:25
DaemonFC[m]I tossed in the leases for the places I was renting with John.May 16 18:26
DaemonFC[m]The lawyer told me it voids out any rent that we owed and anything they had to pay someone to clean it, and normal wear and tear.May 16 18:27
DaemonFC[m]She said if he was putting holes in the walls or doing something to ruin the apartment it wouldn't cover that part, but if he was just a slob who left without paying the rent it covers all of that.May 16 18:27
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oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: you do have to remember to clean the sticks .   They are not unlimited magic.May 16 19:31
oiaohm binchotan charcoal and items like it in water transport they use to be important when using metal jery cans with lead based solder and other taint problems to have something in the water to take up taint..May 16 19:33
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: with that brita filter has it been in use for more than 30 days.    There is a reason for the 30 limit that is how long before  toxin it is filtering can possible get to the other side of it.  Of course at a way lower dose.May 16 19:46
DaemonFC[m]The Brita has only been in use since 16 days ago.May 16 20:10
DaemonFC[m]They claim you can use them for 2 months, but backstop that with "or 40 gallons".May 16 20:10
DaemonFC[m]I toss out my filters every 30 days or when they get so slow it's aggravating.May 16 20:15
DaemonFC[m]With those lead removal filters, they usually plug up completely after 15 days or so.May 16 20:15
oiaohmHmm that is sounding like you might need some basic reusable prefilters.May 16 20:33
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: https://water-filter-sentry.com.au/collections/water-filters/products/washable-reusable-pleated-sediment-water-filters-house-tank-hot-tub-dirt-filter  This class.  +1 micron contamination can end up reducing flow path though even Brita filters resulting in reduced operation time May 16 20:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-water-filter-sentry.com.au | Washable Reusable Pleated Sediment Water Filters House Tank Hot Tub Di – Sentry Water FiltersMay 16 20:40
DaemonFC[m]I tried tying a couple coffee filters to the intake of the lead removal style pitcher filters, but it didn't work well. They still plugged.May 16 20:41
oiaohmThose are 20 microns.May 16 20:41
oiaohmIn other words 20 times too big.May 16 20:41
DaemonFC[m]Coffee filters do work well with eyeglass cleaner for being disposable eyeglass wipes.May 16 20:42
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, useless as a sediment trap on your water pitcher.May 16 20:42
oiaohmcoffee filters are 20 microns   That is your pre pre pre filter.May 16 20:42
DaemonFC[m]They don't even catch large particles. They're just meant to keep coffee grounds out of your coffee.May 16 20:42
oiaohmReally dirty water.   Its 20 Microns, 10 microns, 5 microns then 1 micron then your carbons/lead....May 16 20:43
DaemonFC[m]In Fox Lake, my lead filters plugged entirely after about 7 or 8 gallons.May 16 20:43
DaemonFC[m]In Waukegan, it's about every 15-18 gallons.May 16 20:43
DaemonFC[m]Waukegan has better water because it comes from Lake Michigan.May 16 20:44
oiaohmYour tap water if it decent quality should basically go though a coffee filter and basically leave it looking clean.May 16 20:44
oiaohmIf it does not you have a major water problem.May 16 20:44
DaemonFC[m]Waukegan water doesn't seem to plug up standard Brita filters very fast.May 16 20:44
DaemonFC[m]Huntington, Indiana tap water is so bad that mom was going through a ZeroWater filter every 10 gallons or so.May 16 20:44
DaemonFC[m]They're rated for 25 gallons, but that's with TDS of about 200 or so.May 16 20:45
DaemonFC[m]Huntington is about double that.May 16 20:45
DaemonFC[m]It's not fit to drink.May 16 20:45
DaemonFC[m]It meets federal standards, barely.May 16 20:45
oiaohmO hell.  I just looked up the USA standard.May 16 20:47
oiaohmThere is no micron level on contamination.  If it non toxic it can be what ever level they like..May 16 20:47
oiaohmAustralia drinking water has to be under 5 microns.  Ok that not exactly great for water Brita filters but its not a disaster.May 16 20:49
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: USA standards some how I would be looking at the washable reusable filters as a pre filter before the one use filters.May 16 20:53
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, federal standards have no limit on particulates.May 16 20:57
DaemonFC[m]They regulate specific contaminants, but compliance monitoring is done at the local level.May 16 20:58
oiaohmparticulates are nightmares for you once use filters.May 16 20:58
oiaohmyou/yourMay 16 20:58
DaemonFC[m]We found out how well that can work with Flint, Michigan, where the state government Republicans took over the city using "emergency manager" laws to take democracy away from black people and poison their water because it was a few cents cheaper.May 16 20:59
oiaohmWith your usa standards you basically have to treat your town water like untreated bore water over here.May 16 21:00
oiaohmWhere you need washable reusable prefilters.May 16 21:01
DaemonFC[m]The "pro-life" party strikes again. Thanks to Lead Poison Snyder and other Republicans, babies that won't be born for 100 years will be retarded because of lead.May 16 21:01
DaemonFC[m]----May 16 21:07
DaemonFC[m]6. IRS Reporting of Debt Forgiveness. If we cancel or forgive a portion of principal on a debt you owe, we will provide you a 1099-C tax form if required by law. Please consult your tax advisor and the instructions accompanying any tax forms for more information.May 16 21:07
DaemonFC[m]---May 16 21:07
DaemonFC[m]Yes, if you negotiate with a creditor to make a lower payment than what you owe them and they agree to forgive some of it, the IRS considers that as taxable income.May 16 21:07
DaemonFC[m]It gets taxed at whatever income tax rate you end up with for that year, and it can even take you into a higher tax bracked.May 16 21:08
DaemonFC[m]*bracket.May 16 21:08
DaemonFC[m]It's much worse to owe the IRS than it is to owe a credit card company.May 16 21:08
DaemonFC[m]Credit cards can be voided out in bankruptcy and in bankruptcy you don't get a 1099-C or pay taxes on that amount.May 16 21:09
DaemonFC[m]It just goes away.May 16 21:09
DaemonFC[m]You can file bankruptcy against the IRS in certain cases, but the taxes and penalties have to be at least 3 years old, not the result of fraud or misrepresentation on your part, and you must have filed them on time. You can't just go "Oh shit!" and file them 3 years later and toss them into the bankruptcy.May 16 21:10
DaemonFC[m]In other words if you end up here it's because you've been making installments on it for 3 years already with interest and penalties thrown in, and the bankruptcy will only get rid of what's left at that point.May 16 21:11
DaemonFC[m]The IRS is also the most preferred creditor, so if you have assets that will be liquidated to pay creditors that are not exempt from the bankruptcy trustee, the IRS gets all of them and then whoever is left gets what's leftover.May 16 21:12
DaemonFC[m]So the IRS will get at least most of what you owe them well before you can file bankruptcy on it.May 16 21:12
DaemonFC[m]If you still owe them money at month 36, I would have a bankruptcy lawyer prepared to slam all your creditors with the bankruptcy filing, including those taxes that will be subject to the bankruptcy as soon as possible, to avoid making another installment.May 16 21:13
DaemonFC[m]Bankruptcy cannot discharge most back taxes to the federal or state government, penalties imposed on you by a court related to a crime that you committed, or child support or alimony.May 16 21:14
DaemonFC[m]Although once any form of this debt is paid for with an unsecured loan, if you file bankruptcy later it's unsecured debt now. So if you had been making child support payments on a credit card or a payday loan or something because they were threatening you with jail and you turned to that as a last resort, that debt is the problem of whoever gave you a loan.May 16 21:16
DaemonFC[m]--May 16 21:36
DaemonFC[m]oiaohm: Binchotan Charcoal removes a lot of things that Brita misses, including hexavalent chromium.May 16 21:36
DaemonFC[m]The one that was giving people cancer that Erin Brockovich exposed.May 16 21:36
DaemonFC[m]It completely removes strontium. There's some of that in Waukegan water. I suspect that is the source of the beta photon emissions.May 16 21:36
DaemonFC[m]I figure Brita removes a lot of stuff and makes a decent Stage 1 to preserve surface area of the charcoal sticks.May 16 21:37
DaemonFC[m]The sticks seem like they're capable of fixing a lot of bad stuff that make water unfit to drink, but using them as a second stage seems like the best strategy.May 16 21:39
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MinceRi can't see how something the water can pass around would completely remove anythingMay 16 22:58
DaemonFC[m]It definitely removes the bad taste that was left after the Brita.May 16 23:24
DaemonFC[m]So it's doing something.May 16 23:24
DaemonFC[m]Waukegan has a problem with trihalomethanes and we seem to have a barium issue too (the "wet dog" thing).May 16 23:25
DaemonFC[m]The Brita takes care of much of that, but it's missing something.May 16 23:25
MinceRreducing something below a given nonzero threshold is one thing, completely removing it is anotherMay 16 23:26
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Also, most of the reviews on Amazon state that their water tasted heavily of Chlorine and it's gone using nothing but the sticks.May 16 23:26
MinceRmakes senseMay 16 23:27
DaemonFC[m]Brita sells active charcoal stick too.May 16 23:27
MinceRbrita filters use active carbon tooMay 16 23:27
MinceR(along with ion exchange resin)May 16 23:27
DaemonFC[m]They make water bottles where the whole "filter" is nothing but a stick of active charcoal.May 16 23:27
DaemonFC[m]The water doesn't flow through anything.May 16 23:27
MinceRand the chlorine compounds we can smell/taste are removed by that tooMay 16 23:27
MinceReven maxtra has carbon grains the water can flow aroundMay 16 23:27
MinceRif you need to be sure something is removed, you probably need reverse osmosis or distillationMay 16 23:28
DaemonFC[m]Well, the water just tastes "crisp" and not like wet dog or chlorine at all after the Brita _and_ the sticks.May 16 23:28
DaemonFC[m]Pretty much, but I don't think the hotel is going to let me install anything like that.May 16 23:28
MinceR:>May 16 23:28
DaemonFC[m]Plus, there are beneficial minerals and I like the taste of alkaline water.May 16 23:28
cubexyzinternet seems very slow todayMay 16 23:36
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Whatever it's doing, it makes my water taste great instead of like chlorinated swamp water that someone washed a dog with.May 16 23:39
MinceR:)May 16 23:39
DaemonFC[m]The water here is not particularly hard.May 16 23:40
DaemonFC[m]It's 135 ppm TDS.May 16 23:41
DaemonFC[m]I've definitely had harder water than this.May 16 23:41
DaemonFC[m]Think 300-400 everywhere but Chicago.May 16 23:41
DaemonFC[m]Most parts of the United States have terrible tap water.May 16 23:41
DaemonFC[m]My grandmother's well water was just the absolute worst.May 16 23:41
DaemonFC[m]Hydrogen sulfide and iron.May 16 23:42
DaemonFC[m]You could smell it everywhere in the house.May 16 23:42
DaemonFC[m]She's 87, so obviously it didn't kill her.May 16 23:42
DaemonFC[m]"New York City Health has reported a decrease of 254 probable COVID-19 deaths with respect to yesterday. The overall total death change for the state of New York for today is therefore negative, We can only work with what they report, and this is what they report."May 16 23:44
DaemonFC[m]Aww, but they promised!May 16 23:44
DaemonFC[m]This has happened several times.May 16 23:44
DaemonFC[m]Apparently, disinfectant injections can bring hundreds of COVID-19 victims back to life.May 16 23:45
DaemonFC[m]Trump just "gets it".May 16 23:45
cubexyztrump can't string two coherent sentences togetherMay 16 23:47
DaemonFC[m]The virus is killing off a lot of his fan club.May 16 23:47
DaemonFC[m]Perhaps even enough to swing the elections in a few places.May 16 23:47
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