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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [PATCH 3.16 57/61] x86/speculation: Add Special Register Buffer Data Sampling (SRBDS) mitigation — Linux Stable Kernel UpdatesJun 16 00:00
DaemonFC[m]Another performance crippling workaround for Intel.Jun 16 00:00
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XRevan86MinceR: You do realise that to move somewhen that when has to exist in some formJun 16 00:01
MinceRso whatJun 16 00:01
XRevan86MinceR: It stopped existing the moment the state changed.Jun 16 00:02
DaemonFC[m]Fuck.Jun 16 00:02
MinceRno problem, just go back in time to the point when it still existedJun 16 00:02
DaemonFC[m]I guess I'm just going to update my kernel command line to mitigations=off.Jun 16 00:02
DaemonFC[m]This is becoming a Christmas tree of Intel bug shit.Jun 16 00:03
XRevan86MinceR: "Man cannot breathe on Venus" – "no problem, just fill it with oxygen"Jun 16 00:03
MinceRtake a spacesuitJun 16 00:06
XRevan86I think of this as anthropocentric, because with narrative thinking it is *very* easy to think of the past and the future, and how one would interact with it.Jun 16 00:06
MinceRso anything that's easy to think in terms of is "anthropocentric"?Jun 16 00:07
XRevan86MinceR: No, it's just hard to fit this concept into a world without magic.Jun 16 00:09
XRevan86Information never being lost is a very magical thing.Jun 16 00:10
MinceRspacetime is magic?Jun 16 00:10
DaemonFC[m]There we go. That's much cleaner and it disables anything they might add later.Jun 16 00:10
DaemonFC[m]Grrrr.Jun 16 00:10
XRevan86MinceR: Do you think that the concept of spacetime would allow you to travel backwards?Jun 16 00:11
MinceRprobably not me, unless i had a time machine or somethingJun 16 00:11
MinceReven thermodynamics tend to be pretty difficult to resist, despite applying only in a statistical senseJun 16 00:11
XRevan86it just means that whatever is perceived as time can be warped, slowed down or sped upJun 16 00:12
XRevan86but in a global sense everything's still in the now, just that some bits are slower, some are fasterJun 16 00:12
MinceRnot sure about thatJun 16 00:13
MinceRtime appears to be relativeJun 16 00:13
XRevan86MinceR: If you're going very fast and time is slow for you, when you slow down and look around, the stationary stuff experienced time more than you didJun 16 00:14
XRevan86but if you look from an absolute point of you, you just received less ticksJun 16 00:15
XRevan86* point of view %)Jun 16 00:16
XRevan86I like it how applicable terms of non-realtime computing are here. Because time is relative there, heh.Jun 16 00:19
DaemonFC[m]I just ran a 4 thread Opus encode from WavPack.Jun 16 00:20
DaemonFC[m]Apparently, enough Intel mitigations had been added since I last revisited my switches to disable them that just switching to mitigations=off sped up a 4 thread transcoding job by a further 12%.Jun 16 00:21
DaemonFC[m]I think when I last revisited the issue and added pti=off spectre_v2=off l1tf=off nospec_store_bypass_disable no_stf_barrier the process sped up by about 14%.Jun 16 00:22
DaemonFC[m]These mitigations are pretty severe and they just keep piling up.Jun 16 00:22
MinceRif the terms of non-realtime computing are applicable, that's anthropocentric per your earlier argumentJun 16 00:22
DaemonFC[m]We're looking at Intel robbing you of something like 25%-ish of the performance your Skylake CPU had when you bought it.Jun 16 00:23
DaemonFC[m]Some of their new chips are "not affected", but that's because they changed the way the chip did something to where it's probably slower than it could have been and you can't do anything, and then the kernel ends up having to mitigate things on those CPUs as well.Jun 16 00:24
psydreadoh, that's becoming interestingJun 16 00:24
DaemonFC[m]This is fucking terrible. Linus was not as harsh on Intel as he should have been.Jun 16 00:24
DaemonFC[m]The truth is that these new Intel CPUs are not shockingly faster than the old models.Jun 16 00:25
DaemonFC[m]They just sabotaged the older ones so much that it would appear that way if you bought the new one.Jun 16 00:26
psydreadI have Skylake and Kaby Lake and am not even looking at the new onesJun 16 00:26
DaemonFC[m]Intel is falling apart.Jun 16 00:27
DaemonFC[m]Their CPUs from the last 4 years have accumulated more serious bugs than the entirety of everything that they released in the previous 16 years.Jun 16 00:27
DaemonFC[m]No, my next system will be AMD.Jun 16 00:28
DaemonFC[m]Cheaper and they don't have all these damned bugs.Jun 16 00:28
DaemonFC[m]So many piled up that affected Skylake that you can have 11 switches on your kernel command line to turn them off or just mitigations=off.Jun 16 00:28
MinceRsameJun 16 00:29
psydreadI've linked to it before, but it looks like Intel doesn't do rigorous verification the way it used to doJun 16 00:29
psydread 16 00:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | CPU bugsJun 16 00:29
MinceRalso, maybe the boot firmware isn't totally fucked up on AMDJun 16 00:29
DaemonFC[m]They have been affected by a couple of the bugs, but the performance drag isn't shockingly bad.Jun 16 00:30
DaemonFC[m]The worst one of all of them is Page Table Isolation, and AMD CPUs don't need that one.Jun 16 00:30
DaemonFC[m]That one alone costs you 7% of the CPU's performance on transcoding Wavpack to Opus.Jun 16 00:31
DaemonFC[m]Not every workload is hit the same.Jun 16 00:31
DaemonFC[m]KPTI can take away up to 30% of the performance out of some database workloads.Jun 16 00:32
DaemonFC[m]"for database engine PostgreSQL the impact on read-only tests on an Intel Skylake processor was 7–17% (or 16–23% without PCID), while a full benchmark lost 13–19% (Coffee Lake vs. Broadwell-E)."Jun 16 00:34
DaemonFC[m]Process context identifiers can avoid a TLB flush, but the impact of KPTI is still bad.Jun 16 00:34
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*XRevan86 always thought that database engines are a concept specific to DBMS' like MariaDB where a modular design allows swapping one module for database interaction with another.Jun 16 00:39
XRevan86How does this apply to PostgreSQL which has just one set of code for interaction with a physical database? (excluding stuff like memory DBs)Jun 16 00:40
XRevan86I can't find them calling it an engine anywhere either.Jun 16 00:43
schestowitz[00:29] <psydread> 16 00:45
schestowitzshould say "CPU Defects"Jun 16 00:45
schestowitznot bugsJun 16 00:45
XRevan86It's like saying that an adblocker in Vivaldi is an add-on, because that's what adblockers are, right?Jun 16 00:45
schestowitzbugs you can squashJun 16 00:45
schestowitzyou cannot fix silicon in place...Jun 16 00:45
schestowitzWe need to change the way people refers to these. They're manufacturing defectsJun 16 00:46
MinceRyou might be able to, for example if it's in an FPGAJun 16 00:46
XRevan86Vivaldi built-in adblocker extension %)Jun 16 00:46
schestowitzworking around the issue does not change the existence of the defects, it's the microcode that changes a bitJun 16 00:46
schestowitzthose aren't programmable circuitsJun 16 00:46
schestowitzMinceR: yes, that''s what I was getting atJun 16 00:47
schestowitzI developed a calculator on a programmable circuit when i was 19Jun 16 00:47
schestowitzI think that needs only a few hundreds of transistors, not hundreds of millionsJun 16 00:48
XRevan86Or I don't know, trying to find a windowing system in Windows, even though it clearly doesn't have anything distinct that this unixy term can be applied to.Jun 16 00:48
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Is #FreeCulture As Important As #FreeSoftware ? #sharing #freesw []Jun 16 00:50
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Yeah, I got after someone for suggesting sticking to an older kernel without kpti.Jun 16 00:50
schestowitzsometimes things get too bloatedJun 16 00:50
schestowitzlike VistaJun 16 00:50
schestowitzand then you have no simple fixJun 16 00:50
DaemonFC[m]I said it was not a long term solution and was much worse for security than going ahead with new kernels and disabling the mitigations.Jun 16 00:50
schestowitzother than starting over with something simplerJun 16 00:50
MinceRthere's a simple fix for vistaJun 16 00:50
MinceRoverwrite it with a real OSJun 16 00:50
schestowitzthe do it right, like nginx over apacheJun 16 00:50
MinceRi prefer lighttpd to nginxJun 16 00:51
MinceRbecause it isn't open core :>Jun 16 00:51
DaemonFC[m]Sticking with an old kernel just gives you the hardware defects and whatever regular bugs pile up unpatched in your kernel.Jun 16 00:51
schestowitzIntel is a beast of transistors that get smaller and smaller, they've lost control of the frankenCPUJun 16 00:51
DaemonFC[m]It's not a solution.Jun 16 00:51
XRevan86MinceR: and isn't burdened with documentationJun 16 00:51
schestowitzand then they even added another MINIX-based OS that's in practice like a back door... maybe throw 10 more OSes on each chips? No...Jun 16 00:51
DaemonFC[m]The Management Engine is not active on this laptop.Jun 16 00:52
schestowitzlighttpd is almost extinctJun 16 00:52
XRevan86MinceR: or with developers, or with decent configuration syntaxJun 16 00:52
schestowitzI checked the other day when researching netcraft for an article I was preparingJun 16 00:52
XRevan86This reminds me that I should check how h2o is doing.Jun 16 00:53
schestowitz 16 00:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | To Better Understand Why Microsoft is Laying Off Staff (and Stopped Hiring Any) Check the Charts Net Applications and Other Microsoft Spinners Distract From | TechrightsJun 16 00:53
schestowitzIIS is now at about 4%, I kid you not!!Jun 16 00:53
schestowitzAnd not even big sitesJun 16 00:53
schestowitzlike HPC/Top 500 it's quickly approaching 0% market shareJun 16 00:53
XRevan86Actively developed, yet still unable to come up with a fresh stable release. Still better than lighttpd.Jun 16 00:54
MinceRXRevan86: nginx has documentation?Jun 16 00:55
MinceR16 015148 < schestowitz> and then they even added another MINIX-based OS that's in practice like a back door... maybe throw 10 more OSes on each chips? No...Jun 16 00:56
MinceRUEFI is yet another OSJun 16 00:56
XRevan86MinceR: Quite a detailed one.Jun 16 00:56
DaemonFC[m]I got an email back from my bankruptcy lawyer.Jun 16 00:56
MinceRor rather, the code providing it is oneJun 16 00:56
MinceRbut everyone uses TianoCore anywayJun 16 00:56
DaemonFC[m]She said don't worry about the $400 doctor bill from April that the insurance kicked back to them. No asset Chapter 7s discharge all debt even if you forget to list something.Jun 16 00:57
DaemonFC[m]If they try to pursue it, send them a copy of the discharge petition with a letter stating that this debt happened before I filed.Jun 16 00:57
XRevan86MinceR: Even generic UEFI is quite capable.Jun 16 00:57
DaemonFC[m]The generic uEFI code seems to be useful mostly for something like Coreboot that needs a uEFI payload that quacks like uEFI.Jun 16 00:58
DaemonFC[m]That's worth something, I suppose.Jun 16 00:58
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: I meant just "anything compliant to spec"Jun 16 00:59
DaemonFC[m]Although I'm not sure what OS other than Windows doesn't support Coreboot natively.Jun 16 00:59
DaemonFC[m]With Windows, you can boot using SeaBIOS or the uEFI payload that's based on Tianocore. Jun 16 00:59
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: I considered tianocore for my coreboot, but it's kind of big.Jun 16 00:59
DaemonFC[m]SeaBIOS is also useful for getting a DOS system booted up.Jun 16 01:00
XRevan86So I stayed on the safe side with SeaBIOS. It just works anyway.Jun 16 01:00
DaemonFC[m]I loved FreeDOS.Jun 16 01:00
DaemonFC[m]I used it through the mid 2000s on two of my older computers that weren't even good enough for Windows 95.Jun 16 01:00
DaemonFC[m]It gave them a supported OS that they could still run.Jun 16 01:01
DaemonFC[m]You could do quite a bit with DOS actually. They had a version of LAME and an MP3 player for DOS.Jun 16 01:01
DaemonFC[m]The Arachne browser supported playing MP3 files while you browsed the web.Jun 16 01:01
DaemonFC[m]There were tons and tons of office programs, and of course, games.Jun 16 01:02
DaemonFC[m]I don't know if the LAME for DOS is still something you can build.Jun 16 01:02
DaemonFC[m]The last release that I saw in binary form was LAME 3.96.Jun 16 01:02
DaemonFC[m]I was actually kind of sad to see DOS go.Jun 16 01:04
DaemonFC[m]GUIs still manage to need increasingly powerful computers even decades on.Jun 16 01:04
DaemonFC[m]For questionable reasons.Jun 16 01:04
DaemonFC[m]Buying condoms from Amazon Warehouse Deals seems kind of funny.Jun 16 01:20
DaemonFC[m]They sell stuff where the package got a little messed up but the product inside is okay, but the law says they can't sell it as new anymore.Jun 16 01:21
DaemonFC[m]So they list it as used condoms for sale.Jun 16 01:21
MinceR:)Jun 16 01:21
MinceRdo they have used toilet paper, too?Jun 16 01:21
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DaemonFC[m]<MinceR "do they have used toilet paper, "> I'm not sure which is scarier. However Al Bundy washing out his condoms and reusing them is how Bud and Kelly happened.Jun 16 01:31
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: ASYLUM, Don't Starve Together and More []Jun 16 01:31
DaemonFC[m]So probably used condoms.Jun 16 01:31
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Python Programming []Jun 16 01:36
MinceR:>Jun 16 01:37
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Al Bundy was one of my favorite TV characters of all time.Jun 16 01:47
DaemonFC[m]That whole show was great. Parody of the "clean family-oriented programming" like the Cosby Show.Jun 16 01:47
DaemonFC[m]Then Bill Cosby turns out to be a rapist who was drugging women after the far right made him their hero in the 80s and 90s.Jun 16 01:48
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: In Futureman he's in the past and someone tells him "You're starting to make me hate Bill Cosby.".Jun 16 01:49
DaemonFC[m]He says, "Yeah, well, get used to that I guess.".Jun 16 01:49
DaemonFC[m]Everyone the far-right gathers around turns out to be like an inch away from Hannibal Lecter. Jun 16 01:50
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Emmabuntüs Debian Edition 3 Switches to LXQt, Now Based on Debian GNU/Linux 10.4 []Jun 16 01:50
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: It's gotten so bad that "fairly liberal" in America now means "1970s Republican".Jun 16 01:51
DaemonFC[m]"Democrats Are Worried about Voter Suppression"Jun 16 01:52
MinceR:>Jun 16 01:52
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, but the 50,000 megaton weed whacker for old people that Trump let in while he was busy golfing ought to correct for that somewhat.Jun 16 01:52
DaemonFC[m]Best case, there's easily enough of COVID-19 out there to kill 200,000 Americans before election day.Jun 16 01:55
DaemonFC[m]There's a lot of old people (the group responsible for Trump) that won't get to re-offend.Jun 16 01:58
DaemonFC[m]While the hardest hit states might look like "Oh, that doesn't matter.", it's an even bigger disaster for House Republicans who need to take back the suburbs in blue states.Jun 16 01:59
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Twitler starts his "packed stadium rallies" up in 4 days.Jun 16 02:00
DaemonFC[m]The only states and cities going for it are ones dominated by the Republican Party.Jun 16 02:00
DaemonFC[m]So have fun with that I guess.Jun 16 02:00
DaemonFC[m]It's difficult to see how rallies in Oklahoma help him. He was 20 points ahead already.Jun 16 02:00
DaemonFC[m]The electoral system we have makes it irrelevant how many votes he gets in Oklahoma. If he does better than a 20 point lead by a few points because of the rallies, it's essentially wasted votes.Jun 16 02:01
DaemonFC[m]The knife cuts both ways.Jun 16 02:02
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: I heard me makes the attendees sign waivers in case of COVID-19 contraction.Jun 16 02:02
DaemonFC[m]While the electoral college got him in last time, it also limits the value of expending resources in a state that is not a swing state.Jun 16 02:02
DaemonFC[m]Which he is doing....for some reason.Jun 16 02:02
XRevan86Which makes pragmatic sense, but also shows the risks he's willing to get his supporters to make for this.Jun 16 02:03
DaemonFC[m]<XRevan86 "DaemonFC: I heard me makes the a"> He does. He doesn't want anyone suing him over wrongful death after they attend a rally and get Liberal Hoax-19 and die.Jun 16 02:03
DaemonFC[m]Of course, even if they signed that, their family didn't, and they would be the ones that sue the campaign over wrongful death since death kind of stops the individual from suing over their wrongful death.Jun 16 02:04
DaemonFC[m]Fuck them.Jun 16 02:04
DaemonFC[m]If they get sick and die, less Republicans.Jun 16 02:04
DaemonFC[m]If they get sick and live, the faster this thing burns out.Jun 16 02:04
DaemonFC[m]There is no downside.Jun 16 02:04
DaemonFC[m]He knows how to give the people what they want, at least.Jun 16 02:05
MinceRhis supporters don't mind dying for the orange idiotJun 16 02:05
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: spreadJun 16 02:05
MinceRso let themJun 16 02:05
DaemonFC[m]There's something horribly ironic about a man in his 70s holding up a sign that says "Sacrifice the weak! Open up!".Jun 16 02:05
MinceRthough what this planet really need is a major extinction eventJun 16 02:06
MinceRs/ed/eds/Jun 16 02:06
DaemonFC[m]I see stupid people. They're everywhere. They don't even know they're stupid.Jun 16 02:06
DaemonFC[m]It would have been better had this started going full force back in January because it would have gotten 60 more days to mow down a bunch of Republicans and get them out of the way before the election.Jun 16 02:07
MinceRwhen is election day?Jun 16 02:07
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: There's like 4.6 million people who will have reached 18 between 2016 and 2020 elections who could conceivably vote if they want.Jun 16 02:07
DaemonFC[m]Plus COVID is going to kill something like 200,000 old people, who very nearly all vote.Jun 16 02:08
DaemonFC[m]So, bonus.Jun 16 02:08
DaemonFC[m]"Early Retirement".Jun 16 02:08
DaemonFC[m]Quit fucking up my country.Jun 16 02:08
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: It's a calculated sacrifice. Like with the constitution plebiscite.Jun 16 02:08
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: November 3rd, but most states let you cast an absentee ballot.Jun 16 02:08
DaemonFC[m]In Illinois, I think voting starts September 20th at the County Building if you want to do that.Jun 16 02:09
MinceRicJun 16 02:09
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I bought an outfit to wear to the polls.Jun 16 02:09
DaemonFC[m]A shirt that depicts the police killing George Floyd.Jun 16 02:10
DaemonFC[m]A face mask that says "Fuck Trump, and if you like him, fuck you too.".Jun 16 02:10
MinceR:)Jun 16 02:10
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: When I went to the same office to get a marriage license, I opted for an affirmation that I was telling the truth.Jun 16 02:11
DaemonFC[m]I told the clerk that I didn't need a spooky Science Fiction reading from a government official that was designed to control people and keep them down.Jun 16 02:12
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I noticed the security layout of the probation department.Jun 16 02:14
DaemonFC[m]They have it set up so that if anyone did come in with a gun to kill everyone, that they could hit a panic button and hide behind locked doors and bulletproof glass and the only people to die would be a rent-a-cop and a bunch of other people on probation.Jun 16 02:15
DaemonFC[m]It's nice to see what the system thinks of you at least.Jun 16 02:15
DaemonFC[m]It's sickening.Jun 16 02:15
DaemonFC[m]The right-wing fake media is making as much hay out of the Capital Hill Autonomous Zone as they can. Fox News got caught photoshopping people with machine guns into some pictures.Jun 16 02:16
DaemonFC[m]When black people have guns it's basically a national emergency.Jun 16 02:17
DaemonFC[m]In fact, a lot of these gun control laws are racist shit, and that's why the NRA used to support it.Jun 16 02:17
DaemonFC[m]They figured that if you banned felons from owning a gun you'd strip gun rights from about 9 black people for every 1 white guy.Jun 16 02:18
DaemonFC[m]When a crime is something that white people tend to commit or it could be anyone doing it, it's usually either a misdemeanor or a "wobbler", where whites get the misdemeanor, and black people get the felony.Jun 16 02:18
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: There was a wobbler law with what the cops came after me with.Jun 16 02:19
DaemonFC[m]They could have charged it as a felony.Jun 16 02:19
DaemonFC[m]I don't think they did me any favors though.Jun 16 02:19
DaemonFC[m]They didn't do any actual police work and by the time they figured out that Shithead was my ex and that this could be a domestic violence felony, we were already in court and the best they could do was reassign the case to a domestic violence courtroom on plain misdemeanor assault charges.Jun 16 02:20
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: So, if they bothered to gather facts, it would have been charged as a Class E Felony and then they would have waved their dicks around and used it to extract a plea to an A Misdemeanor.Jun 16 02:21
DaemonFC[m]Instead they started with A misdemeanors and had to plead it down to 1 Class C Misdemeanor.Jun 16 02:21
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Sometimes the state gets in it own way when it's trying to be incredibly malicious.Jun 16 02:22
DaemonFC[m]I was at the police station wondering if I was going to get a felony and then when the cop said "Your roommate John told us blah blah blah." I didn't correct them and signed the citation agreeing that I had been charged with a misdemeanor. Jun 16 02:23
DaemonFC[m]Then we get through the arraignment court and I was arraigned on misdemeanor assault, then at the next court date, we had hammered out a deal with the prosecutor already, but they said, "Whoa, wait a minute. We talked to John and it turns out John is his ex, so this needs to go to Domestic Violence court.", but it was too late to charge it as that.Jun 16 02:25
DaemonFC[m]I got extremely lucky. Not only did I plead down to not a hell of a lot and an eventual dismissal of the case, but as disorderly conduct you can go get it expunged in a couple of years.Jun 16 02:25
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: "Don't interrupt the enemy when he's making a mistake.".Jun 16 02:26
MinceRsometimes it's a good idea to interrupt the enemy when he's making a mistake :>Jun 16 02:26
MinceRe.g. the enemy is trying to escape from you but passes through your threatened area :>Jun 16 02:27
DaemonFC[m]Well, Sun Tzu meant it in the context of when he's making a tactical error that benefits you.Jun 16 02:27
DaemonFC[m]The best way to deal with the SSA is just the facts.Jun 16 02:28
DaemonFC[m]You have to answer their questions, but that's all you should do. As succinctly as possible while conveying the intended information.Jun 16 02:29
DaemonFC[m]When you talk to the police, you hand them your ID and then say you're not taking any questions.Jun 16 02:30
DaemonFC[m]There's a lot of ways it could have gone at the police station. One useful fact that I might have given them had I agreed to be interrogated was the nature of my relationship with John.Jun 16 02:30
DaemonFC[m]The system in the UK is actually worse.Jun 16 02:33
DaemonFC[m]You can refuse to talk to the police, but if you don't tell them something and then try to use it as a defense, you might not be able to.Jun 16 02:33
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Hard Truth Of Poker — And Life: You’re Never ‘Due’ For Good Cards | FiveThirtyEightJun 16 02:54
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, statistics don't necessarily help any particular person.Jun 16 02:54
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Servers Leftovers: Toolforge, Kubernetes, OVHcloud and Red Hat []Jun 16 02:55
DaemonFC[m]It's kind of interesting that people tend to either believe that they are the biggest influence on everything in their life, and people who believe that shit just happens and someone has to clean it up.Jun 16 02:55
DaemonFC[m]It's a degree of both.Jun 16 02:56
DaemonFC[m]You have to influence the outcome and then hope for the best and then clean up the mess if it blows up on you anyway.Jun 16 02:56
DaemonFC[m]Hope by itself changes nothing, but keeping a positive outlook and remaining calm are better than panicking, even if things get bad.Jun 16 02:57
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Software Leftovers []Jun 16 02:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Creedence Clearwater Revival - WikipediaJun 16 03:00
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Leftovers: Linux Headlines, GNOME and GSoC in LibreOffice and KDE []Jun 16 03:00
DaemonFC[m]I remember dad mentioning something about how the record company screwed John Fogerty.Jun 16 03:00
DaemonFC[m]I mentioned that most artists ask Republicans to stop playing their music.Jun 16 03:00
schestowitzDad is also John IIRC... or Carl?Jun 16 03:03
schestowitzOh, John is the ex bfJun 16 03:03
schestowitzRyan, let me tell you somethingJun 16 03:03
schestowitzwe went to the stores yesterdayJun 16 03:03
schestowitz9amJun 16 03:03
schestowitzas soon as they reopenedJun 16 03:03
schestowitzafter nearly 3 monthsJun 16 03:03
schestowitzit was a bit depressingJun 16 03:04
schestowitzdoesn't look like they can be profitable unless salaries are lowered and prices raisedJun 16 03:04
schestowitzI don't think this whole "reopen the market" thing will workJun 16 03:04
schestowitzfeels like end of an eraJun 16 03:05
schestowitzI went to the record storeJun 16 03:05
schestowitznot many people there (or anywhere else)Jun 16 03:05
schestowitzI wonder who buys those things now... and branded clothesJun 16 03:05
schestowitzit's not like people are going to 'go out' much to strut their stuff any time soonJun 16 03:05
schestowitzthe whole consumption/spendings cycle is overJun 16 03:06
schestowitzpeople lack the money to spendJun 16 03:06
schestowitzand those who still have money lack the confidence to waste it on luxiriesJun 16 03:06
schestowitzso the rich get richerJun 16 03:06
schestowitzpeople buy necessities by other meansJun 16 03:06
schestowitzand people will eventually revoltJun 16 03:06
schestowitz 16 03:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ » Blog Archive » The ‘Second Phase’ in the UK is No Shopping Time (Unless You’re Really Desperate)Jun 16 03:09
schestowitzwe are not going back 'out there', except for food, for at least one monthJun 16 03:09
schestowitzno point to it, but we were curious to check...Jun 16 03:09
insmodppaAnd governments the world over are printing to kingdom come to prop up their stock markets.Jun 16 03:11
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 16/6/2020: CentOS Linux 8.2 and PinePhone postmarketOS Community Edition []Jun 16 03:11
schestowitzyesJun 16 03:13
schestowitzthe currencies will be devaluedJun 16 03:14
schestowitzso savers too will sufferJun 16 03:14
schestowitzexcept maybe those rich bastards who put it offshoreJun 16 03:14
schestowitzor maybe savers' taxJun 16 03:14
schestowitzwho knows...Jun 16 03:14
schestowitzit's like they already put interest rates at near zeroJun 16 03:14
schestowitzfar less than inflation ratesJun 16 03:14
schestowitzall countries are screwsJun 16 03:14
schestowitzscrewedJun 16 03:14
schestowitzit's a class thing, not nation thingJun 16 03:15
schestowitzsome countries will be screwed more than oversJun 16 03:15
insmodppaEveryone has become Japan overnight. You pay to save your money in a bank. Time to put it back under the mattress.Jun 16 03:15
schestowitzyesterday I read about hunger in zimbabwe compared to covid19Jun 16 03:15
schestowitzmore and more reports about hard access to foot thereJun 16 03:15
schestowitzlike the wheelbarrows of money in pre-nazi germanyJun 16 03:15
schestowitzinsmodppa: but the currency itself is the issueJun 16 03:16
schestowitzit will lose valueJun 16 03:16
schestowitzalso, they can stop accepting banknotes all of a suddenJun 16 03:16
schestowitztoday they keep announcing, "please use contactless payments"Jun 16 03:16
schestowitzi.e. surveillanceJun 16 03:16
schestowitzof course we only ever pay with cashJun 16 03:17
schestowitzat least we used crisp, pristine backnotesJun 16 03:17
schestowitznot some 'dirty' coinsJun 16 03:17
schestowitzIn Cyprus they went as far as taking a portion of savers' moneyJun 16 03:21
schestowitzlike 25% IIRCJun 16 03:21
schestowitzpeople mostly forgot about it by nowJun 16 03:21
schestowitzbut that's a real risk of keeping money in the bankJun 16 03:21
insmodppaAt least you don't have to cart wheelbarrows of "legal tender" around when they go full digital.Jun 16 03:21
schestowitzmaybe you can buy some asset they can less easily claw away at, like houses...Jun 16 03:21
schestowitzbut they can impose house taxes tooJun 16 03:22
schestowitzor houses can have their value plungeJun 16 03:22
schestowitzWe withdrew in cash as much as we needed for months to come... back in MarchJun 16 03:23
schestowitzjust in case banks get all awkwardJun 16 03:23
schestowitzI even paid a fee on some withdrawal, which is a major ripoffJun 16 03:23
insmodppaI'm surprised the Cyprus debacle isn't brought up more often. As you said, it's mostly forgotten by now.Jun 16 03:24
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "feels like end of an era"> Yeah, the mall looked pretty depressing.Jun 16 03:25
DaemonFC[m]They're trying to advertise a bunch of sales to get people back in.Jun 16 03:26
DaemonFC[m]Some do, most don't. Their anchor stores and the movie theater are in bankruptcy and their restaurants aren't open.Jun 16 03:26
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "I went to the record store"> Those were already on the way out. I usually just grab FLACs and convert them to WavPack and stick them on a...stick.Jun 16 03:27
DaemonFC[m]Freed up most of my /home with a $35 thumb drive. Well worth it. You don't need an nvme ssd to play WavPacks.Jun 16 03:27
DaemonFC[m]I don't reserve too many blocks on my /home and I only reserve like 2% of the blocks on / because 5% is kind of nuts.Jun 16 03:28
DaemonFC[m]In fact, I don't think I reserve blocks at all on /home.Jun 16 03:29
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "the whole consumption/spendings "> Walmart and Amazon got a lot busier, but it's because it's the only places people feel comfortable shopping, and Walmart Grocery Pickup and online ordering surged because lots of people do want to stay out of the store or minimize their time in there.Jun 16 03:30
DaemonFC[m]This has been a tremendously good thing for Walmart. The surge in food at home is great for them because they have a grocery store. Also, it forced most other stores to close and got Walmart declared essential because they have a grocery store.Jun 16 03:31
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "and people will eventually revol"> Yeah, the Federal Reserve is predicting that unemployment falls to 9% by December, but that seems like a load of crap by a politicized Fed that's another arm of the Trump Campaign now.Jun 16 03:32
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "we are not going back 'out there"> I probably won't go out much unless USCIS calls us for an interview before Trump makes them furlough people because of the budget crisis he created for them on purpose.Jun 16 03:33
DaemonFC[m]<insmodppa "And governments the world over a"> Which doesn't cause hyperinflation now because consumer spending has collapsed and unemployment is sky high, but they don't have an exit strategy for once this thing blows over to get the money out of the system again.Jun 16 03:34
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "it's a class thing, not nation t"> I was wondering how I became an L.Jun 16 03:35
DaemonFC[m]Then it hit me, if hundreds of thousands of people lose DI right before the election, Trump goes from maybe finished to certainly finished.Jun 16 03:36
DaemonFC[m]So I'm thinking the L is that they have an eLection to win so they sucked Skynet's brains out, for now.Jun 16 03:36
DaemonFC[m]After the election, they can ram their new rules through and set Skynet to kill anything that moves to purge the rolls. Jun 16 03:37
DaemonFC[m]Previously, Trump's rules regarding Social Security was to make sure that everyone who is on it for psychotic mental illness can buy an AR-15.Jun 16 03:38
DaemonFC[m]<insmodppa "Everyone has become Japan overni"> The bank is stuck waiving the account fees for us for another 5 years because Mandy was a student when he opened it.Jun 16 03:39
DaemonFC[m]I've been avoiding depositing his paychecks for the most part lately because I'm in bankruptcy and onc his paycheck goes in, the Trustee can declare anything that goes over the limit as fair game for my creditors.Jun 16 03:40
DaemonFC[m]The bank hasn't frozen my accounts though, so that's good.Jun 16 03:41
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Once it was obvious where this whole mess was going I just started sitting on all my bills.Jun 16 03:41
DaemonFC[m]The smallest one I threw in was $25 as one of the many co-pay bills that came from the hospital last year. Jun 16 03:42
DaemonFC[m]The largest single thing was the car. $19,800 left on the loan.Jun 16 03:42
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "maybe you can buy some asset the"> T-800 Voice: WRONGJun 16 03:43
DaemonFC[m]They absolutely can fuck up the value of your house. When the mortgage crisis happens, banks foreclose and then the only thing propping up the value of your house is the banks decide not to flood the market so that they don't have to sell them cheaply, but if it's an FHA-backed mortgage, the government might take it and sell it through HUD.Jun 16 03:45
DaemonFC[m]They even have a program called the Dollar Home Program where you can buy a house with serious problems for a few bucks.Jun 16 03:45
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "but that's a real risk of keepin"> People would absolutely lose their shit if that happened here. That's how you get white people burning shit down.Jun 16 03:46
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: There is some good news.Jun 16 03:47
DaemonFC[m]The condom shortage seems to be abating.Jun 16 03:48
DaemonFC[m]You could say that the people who run the condom companies are master abaters of such problems.Jun 16 03:49
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DaemonFC[m]Yes it's in the dictionary, I checked. Although, Collins says that it fell out of favor in the 19th century and the last published work with it was in 1968.Jun 16 03:54
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cubexyz6 hours ago:Jun 16 03:56
cubexyz"Monsoon may abate chances of wildfires" -> Sedona Red Rock NewsJun 16 03:56
cubexyznot uncommonJun 16 03:57
schestowitz[03:24] <insmodppa> I'm surprised the Cyprus debacle isn't brought up more often. As you said, it's mostly forgotten by now.Jun 16 03:58
schestowitzThere's a recent and loosely related one in IndiaJun 16 03:58
schestowitzwhere they just declared some cash 'invalid' overnightJun 16 03:58
schestowitzcyprus blamed money launderingJun 16 03:58
schestowitzlike Russia-owned accountsJun 16 03:58
schestowitzas if to imply savers are crooks anywayJun 16 03:58
schestowitzIndia did something similar by insinuating people who hoarded physical money were just criminalsJun 16 03:59
schestowitzor can be presumed as suchJun 16 03:59
schestowitzand boom... there went the moneyJun 16 03:59
schestowitz[03:32] <DaemonFC[m]> <schestowitz "and people will eventually revol"> Yeah, the Federal Reserve is predicting that unemployment falls to 9% by December, but that seems like a load of crap by a politicized Fed that's another arm of the Trump Campaign now.Jun 16 04:00
schestowitzit was always higher than 9%Jun 16 04:00
schestowitzthey don't count a lot of people eligible for workJun 16 04:00
schestowitzbut may have given up searching any longerJun 16 04:00
insmodppa9%?! And they accuse China of cooking the books... 16 04:02
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cubexyzwhat is it really? I'm afraid to lookJun 16 04:02
cubexyzwowJun 16 04:03
schestowitzInteresting linksJun 16 04:09
schestowitzVideo calls seemed an elegant solution toJun 16 04:09
schestowitzremote work, but they wear on the psyche inJun 16 04:09
schestowitzcomplicated ways:Jun 16 04:09
schestowitz 16 04:09
schestowitze/2020/04/coronavirus-zoom-fatigue-is-taxiJun 16 04:09
schestowitzng-the-brain-here-is-why-that-happens/Jun 16 04:09
schestowitzLe télétravail massif, permanent, exclusifJun 16 04:09
schestowitzqui résulte du Covid-19 n’a rien à voir avecJun 16 04:09
schestowitzcelui d’avant, intermittent, écrit CharlesJun 16 04:10
schestowitzCuvelliez, de l'Ecole Polytechnique deJun 16 04:10
schestowitzBruxelles:Jun 16 04:10
schestowitz 16 04:10
schestowitzermanent-pourrait-penaliser-linnovationJun 16 04:10
schestowitz(from SUEPO publication)Jun 16 04:10
schestowitzinsmodppa: so a third unemployedJun 16 04:10
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DaemonFC[m]<cubexyz ""Monsoon may abate chances of wi"> "abater"Jun 16 04:52
schestowitzMinceR: morningJun 16 04:53
DaemonFC[m]<cubexyz "what is it really? I'm afraid to"> Trump had them fake even the U3 numbers of 13.5% last month.Jun 16 04:53
schestowitzdo you think it's a good idea to write a techrights post about the master controversy?Jun 16 04:53
DaemonFC[m]Then they got caught and admitted U3 is at least 16.5%.Jun 16 04:53
schestowitzwith or without the carlin video?Jun 16 04:53
schestowitzWhat do others think? Too sensitive a topic?Jun 16 04:53
DaemonFC[m]Master controversy?Jun 16 04:53
schestowitzyesJun 16 04:54
schestowitzthe word master is being deletedJun 16 04:54
schestowitzeven in contexts that  have nothing to do with slavery like "master branch" in gitJun 16 04:54
schestowitzMaybe instead of doing a post about this..Jun 16 04:54
DaemonFC[m]Oh yeah, even in the ZFS file system.Jun 16 04:54
schestowitzWe can cover it indirectlyJun 16 04:54
schestowitzby drawing up a list of "bad" wordsJun 16 04:55
schestowitzand joke about why they are "offensive" and must be universally removedJun 16 04:55
schestowitzlike 'manhood"Jun 16 04:55
schestowitz"mankind"..Jun 16 04:55
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: wow, they also aim at filesystems now?Jun 16 04:55
schestowitzThis is going to really mess up literatureJun 16 04:56
DaemonFC[m]Master and Servant by Depeche Mode is now going to sound a lot different.Jun 16 04:56
DaemonFC[m]Primary and Dependent?Jun 16 04:56
schestowitzmaybe some technical book authors will be deemed offensive and tasteless in the futureJun 16 04:56
schestowitzlolJun 16 04:56
schestowitzdependent is not offensive?Jun 16 04:56
schestowitzthis is what UK Home Office calls peopleJun 16 04:57
schestowitzimplying they're submissive and inferiorJun 16 04:57
schestowitzno word will ever be truly satisfying when it implies power imbalance/inequalityJun 16 04:57
schestowitzanywayJun 16 04:57
schestowitzhow can techrights cover it?Jun 16 04:57
DaemonFC[m]I guess it sounds better than unwilling subjects who kind of have rights, but mostly not.Jun 16 04:57
schestowitzwithout enraging "warriors"?Jun 16 04:57
DaemonFC[m]Plus, less wordy!Jun 16 04:57
schestowitzbtw, dining places still have servantsJun 16 04:58
schestowitzairlines alsoJun 16 04:58
DaemonFC[m]I thought that TRIGGERING Matthew Garrett would be the best part.Jun 16 04:58
schestowitzcall them attendants, or stewards, or service or whatever...Jun 16 04:58
schestowitzdoesn't change what they are, just the job titleJun 16 04:58
schestowitz"yo, servant, where's ma coffee!!!"Jun 16 04:58
DaemonFC[m] 16 04:58
schestowitz"we're ready for the bill, where our table slave?"Jun 16 04:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | OpenZFS removed offensive terminology from its code | Ars TechnicaJun 16 04:59
schestowitz*where's outJun 16 04:59
DaemonFC[m]Just bringing it in line with the Linux NewSpeak from  the M$ CoC.Jun 16 04:59
schestowitz*ourJun 16 04:59
schestowitzflight attendants have new sanitised titles I didn't even know aboutJun 16 04:59
schestowitzI forgot some of themJun 16 04:59
schestowitzrianne named oneJun 16 04:59
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz ""we're ready for the bill, where"> Yeah, the unemployment is hitting black people a lot worse. They could get restaurant jobs easier than anything else. America is a really fucked up place.Jun 16 05:00
schestowitzthey make them sound a lot more senior than they areJun 16 05:00
schestowitzmaybe "representative"Jun 16 05:00
schestowitzor something along those linesJun 16 05:00
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: They call Mandy a Customer Service Host.Jun 16 05:00
schestowitzas if fancy job titles alone will fix society's ills when 0.1% of society, the richest, have more wealth than the bottom 90% COMBINEDJun 16 05:00
schestowitzah, "host" of another oneJun 16 05:01
schestowitzrianne told me of anotherJun 16 05:01
schestowitzit's ridiculousJun 16 05:01
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Not really going to matter much longer.Jun 16 05:01
schestowitzthey keep renaming these things when they get a negative connotationJun 16 05:01
DaemonFC[m]Bankruptcy courts are going to go into Turbo Mode.Jun 16 05:01
schestowitzprostitutes became "Sex workers"Jun 16 05:01
schestowitzmasseuse? "therapist"Jun 16 05:02
schestowitzeven if they're not qualified physio-therapistsJun 16 05:02
DaemonFC[m]Someone has to eat it. People will find out that instead of shitty mortgages they have collateralized shopping malls in their retirement accounts. Jun 16 05:02
schestowitzchiros call themselves "doctors"Jun 16 05:02
schestowitzwhen they're less qualified than even physio-therapistsJun 16 05:02
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: who will back the collaterals?Jun 16 05:02
schestowitzLet me find that BuzzFeed articleJun 16 05:03
DaemonFC[m]When they go bust?Jun 16 05:03
schestowitzI heard about itJun 16 05:03
schestowitzbut have not ready itJun 16 05:03
schestowitzhang on...Jun 16 05:03
DaemonFC[m]Retirement accounts fail.Jun 16 05:03
DaemonFC[m]You think the people who package this shit hold onto it?Jun 16 05:03
DaemonFC[m]They didn't last time.Jun 16 05:03
schestowitzfound this on the way: 16 05:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Buzzfeed gets Zerohedge suspended from Twitter over coronavirus post - YouTubeJun 16 05:04
schestowitzanyway, cannot find itJun 16 05:04
DaemonFC[m]They'd write a $600,000 mortgage to a nursing assistant and an electrician and then toss it onto someone who didn't know what it was and then ran like hell.Jun 16 05:04
schestowitztl;dr ref said they had claims August would cause the whole system to collapse, leading to societal breakdown (they referred to US specifically)Jun 16 05:04
DaemonFC[m]Now it's shopping malls that are missing mortgage payments.Jun 16 05:04
DaemonFC[m]The one in Gurnee missed a $1.4 million dollar installment last month.Jun 16 05:05
schestowitzthe mall owners?Jun 16 05:05
DaemonFC[m]Simon (a major mall owner) is in trouble.Jun 16 05:05
DaemonFC[m]Yep.Jun 16 05:05
DaemonFC[m]Chapter 11 is months away for these malls even though they don't want to say it yet.Jun 16 05:05
schestowitzwhat happens then?Jun 16 05:06
schestowitzCan they offload it cheaply?Jun 16 05:06
DaemonFC[m]The mall can be repossessed but then the bank owns a mall that nobody goes to, times tens of thousands.Jun 16 05:06
schestowitzwill any US oligarch bother?Jun 16 05:06
schestowitzThey never save their country, they just save away in some tax havenJun 16 05:06
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Lots of abandoned malls that are left to rot until the town uses eminent domain to bulldoze them.Jun 16 05:06
DaemonFC[m]Get it?Jun 16 05:06
schestowitzI saw it todayJun 16 05:07
schestowitzfound it worryingJun 16 05:07
DaemonFC[m]It was already happening before this.Jun 16 05:07
schestowitz1 hour of opening, first hour, after 80 daysJun 16 05:07
schestowitznot many people inJun 16 05:07
schestowitz10 times less than I expectedJun 16 05:07
DaemonFC[m]When the mall fails you just have a gigantic eyesore until someone tears it down.Jun 16 05:07
schestowitzempty stores, people not even buying much, just browsing to pass timeJun 16 05:07
schestowitzextra stuff for all the health and safety aspectsJun 16 05:07
schestowitzit's a good thing they tore down the outlet near usJun 16 05:08
schestowitzand didn't start building the new one they had plannedJun 16 05:08
schestowitzwith a cinema!Jun 16 05:08
DaemonFC[m]Seems like many people aren't falling for the attempted gaslighting that the politicians figured would turn it into a V shaped recession.Jun 16 05:08
DaemonFC[m]It's looking like an L to me, W at best.Jun 16 05:08
schestowitzthey would not want to turn it into parking area now, either...Jun 16 05:08
schestowitzmaybe follow the demands to turn it into a forestJun 16 05:08
DaemonFC[m]I've been hoping for years that something would destroy the shopping malls.Jun 16 05:09
DaemonFC[m]This should be a public park. Kids should be playing there. Families should be having picnics.Jun 16 05:09
DaemonFC[m]Instead you get this giant piece of shit to look at. Jun 16 05:09
schestowitzso what's the plan?Jun 16 05:09
schestowitz(in the abstract)Jun 16 05:09
schestowitzwhat to do now?Jun 16 05:09
schestowitz(not joking. honest q)Jun 16 05:10
schestowitzremember those jobs aren't coming backJun 16 05:10
DaemonFC[m]I think that Amazon is going to be the 21st century East India Company and Walmart will be big too.Jun 16 05:10
schestowitzI hear of many people with no jobs and no prospect of finding any, eitherJun 16 05:10
schestowitzdoes Mandy still work?Jun 16 05:10
schestowitzIIRC, some servicing jobJun 16 05:10
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: you can judge by their soaring wealth and share prices, I guessJun 16 05:11
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, Walmart.Jun 16 05:11
DaemonFC[m]I made him hurry up and apply there before there weren't any jobs.Jun 16 05:11
schestowitzthey probably did not anticipate such a sudden and fast collapse of their competitionJun 16 05:11
schestowitzeww... walmartJun 16 05:11
DaemonFC[m]This has accelerated a trend. Probably by at least 20 years.Jun 16 05:11
schestowitzthey bought two large  grocers hereJun 16 05:11
schestowitzasda and sainsburys, both do home deliveriesJun 16 05:12
schestowitzwell, somebody needs to do something about this concentration of powerJun 16 05:12
schestowitzthis is becoming so very sovietyJun 16 05:12
schestowitzwhere the state is just a few corporationsJun 16 05:12
schestowitzeach controlling a nicheJun 16 05:12
schestowitzor segmentJun 16 05:12
schestowitzanimal farm... is herJun 16 05:13
schestowitze*heeJun 16 05:13
schestowitz*hereJun 16 05:13
schestowitztechies too will be replacedJun 16 05:13
schestowitzthe "cloud" lunacy is taking too much of a footholdJun 16 05:13
schestowitzso they envision just gafam as all hostingJun 16 05:13
schestowitzno more rackspace and other 'lesser' 'clouds'Jun 16 05:13
schestowitzMicrosoft lays off tooJun 16 05:14
schestowitzI guess they're in a bad positionJun 16 05:14
schestowitzamazon winning as hostJun 16 05:15
schestowitzandroid as OSJun 16 05:15
schestowitz(google)Jun 16 05:15
schestowitzwhat does microsoft have left?Jun 16 05:15
schestowitzgithub operating at a massive loss...Jun 16 05:15
schestowitzlinkedin picking up rustJun 16 05:15
schestowitzibm is also a relicJun 16 05:15
schestowitzmany layoffs already confirmed to come soonJun 16 05:15
schestowitz95% of workers are 'working' from homeJun 16 05:16
schestowitzthey'll be told they're laid off over the InternetJun 16 05:16
schestowitzmaybe IBM will let many from Red Hat go... depending on which project/s they work onJun 16 05:16
schestowitzMicrosoft fired its so-called 'journalists'Jun 16 05:17
schestowitzmaybe IBM will axe and other Red Hat 'news' sites...Jun 16 05:17
schestowitzsomeone told me they'd do it within 2 years likely, based on the IBM track recordJun 16 05:17
schestowitzso that means around Oct. of this yearJun 16 05:17
schestowitzthey said they'd buy rht around Oct. 2018 iircJun 16 05:17
oiaohmschestowitz:  Unless Microsoft has really screwed it up github was operating in profit before Microsoft took them over.Jun 16 05:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Billion Dollar Unicorns: How Will GitHub Reach Its Billion Dollar Revenue Target? | Sramana MitraJun 16 05:18
oiaohmWith all the companys github was selling private solutions to.Jun 16 05:18
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "github operating at a massive lo"> You forgot a really shitty OS that business users are still fleeing like a house that's on fire that breaks people's home PCs every month.Jun 16 05:19
schestowitz 16 05:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | To Survive Coronavirus's Second Wave, We Will Have To Agree On What HappenedJun 16 05:19
oiaohmNow if github is operating at a loss for Microsoft it really would show how hated Microsoft is.Jun 16 05:20
schestowitzoiaohm: massive losses: 16 05:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | GitHug – A Guest Article by Thomas Grzybowski | TechrightsJun 16 05:20
schestowitzbased on their SEC filings, iircJun 16 05:20
schestowitzsomeone (Tom) looked into itJun 16 05:20
schestowitzewww... buzzfeed has nasty surveillanceJun 16 05:21
schestowitzI cannot even view without acceptingJun 16 05:21
schestowitzI'll never again open their web pagesJun 16 05:21
DaemonFC[m]Probably people don't want to wake up and find their entire github repo deleted because some random DMCA troll complained, or Facebook....They do it.Jun 16 05:21
DaemonFC[m]That's what happened to instagram-api..Jun 16 05:22
schestowitzoiaohm: where is an article to back claims of github profitability?Jun 16 05:22
schestowitzoiaohm: I heard Microsoft had panicked, seeing how people flee github (projects and users)Jun 16 05:22
schestowitzthey still list me there two years after I DELETED my account: 16 05:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft FakeHub: GitHub is Faking the Number of Developers in GitHub by Listing Non-Existing Ones | TechrightsJun 16 05:23
schestowitzso when they say stuff like "40 million devs" you know they lieJun 16 05:23
schestowitzbut this is typical Microsoft, lying about everything it canJun 16 05:23
oiaohmschestowitz: I should be more correct github had only just got to operating in profit when Microsoft took them over.   So every commercial  company to jump ship put github income back into the red.Jun 16 05:26
schestowitzlink?Jun 16 05:27
schestowitz(or it "didn't happen")Jun 16 05:27
schestowitzBTW, can you think of words that can be seen as 'offensive' in tech?Jun 16 05:27
schestowitzOther than 'master'?Jun 16 05:27
schestowitzI am trying to come up with a listJun 16 05:27
schestowitzto make a pointJun 16 05:27
schestowitzMonitor - we should say screen instead. Monitors are used in hospitals to observe the health of ill people. We must not cause people panic (tragedy relived), reminding them of the time they spent on life support or some near-death experience.Jun 16 05:29
schestowitzwhat else?Jun 16 05:29
schestowitzcome up with terms we use in computersJun 16 05:29
schestowitzthat have other terms for themJun 16 05:30
schestowitzand can be spun as something that 'triggers' some bad memoryJun 16 05:30
schestowitz<li>Monitor - we should say "screen" instead. Monitors are used in hospitals to observe the health of ill people. We must not cause people panic (tragedy relived), reminding them of the time they spent on life support or some near-death experience.</il>Jun 16 05:39
schestowitz<li>Terminal - we must all say "shell" instead. Terminal is the state of a patient who is likely dead by now; when we say terminal it can trigger some bad memories, or someone like a long-lost loved one (often a relative or parent).</il>Jun 16 05:39
schestowitz<li>Ncurses - we should speak of interactive shells; the religion user is likely to associate curses with very bad things.</il>Jun 16 05:39
schestowitz<li>Daemon - See above. We must not remind the religion user of demons. Use buzzwords like "microservice" instead (with the caveat below).</il>Jun 16 05:39
schestowitz<li>Services - this term should be reconsidered; it's too similar to servant, which is a synonym of slave in some contexts.</il>Jun 16 05:39
schestowitz<li>Wiki - use the term "collaborative page" instead.  Wiki is Hawaiian for “fast" or "quick" and there may be racial connotations associated with Hawaii, which is a disputed territory with mixed roots.</il>Jun 16 05:40
schestowitz<li>Web (or World Wide Web) - Arachnophobia means that the term can invoke negative feelings or overt fear. Use the term "Interpage" instead.</il>Jun 16 05:40
schestowitz<li>Mouse - same as above, albeit fear of rodents. Say "pointing device" instead.</il>Jun 16 05:40
schestowitzany other ideas?Jun 16 05:40
schestowitzI am still drafting this...Jun 16 05:40
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "so when they say stuff like "40 "> Many people appear to be using github as a mirror, or they remote add something else and let the repo die.Jun 16 05:44
insmodppaGender-neutral connectors! (Although I have this inkling feeling it's already been done...)Jun 16 05:44
DaemonFC[m]They're probably including lots of fake accounts that don't do anything.Jun 16 05:44
DaemonFC[m]I found dozens of copies of various versions of LAME in github, even though the official repository is a CVS at Sourceforge.Jun 16 05:45
DaemonFC[m]CVS works when there's 2-3 people you can trust that have commit access.Jun 16 05:45
DaemonFC[m]That's why there's a constant "approval backlog" in a project like FreeBSD.Jun 16 05:46
DaemonFC[m]Sometimes good patches come in and nobody is even available to look at them, or doesn't want to commit them for whatever reason.Jun 16 05:46
insmodppaIt's impossible to out-crazy the crazies, you'll drive yourself nuts in the process.Jun 16 05:50
DaemonFC[m]You can have my hermaphrodite cables when you pry them from my cold, dead hands. Jun 16 05:52
schestowitzyes, the whole thing about stooping down to one's levelJun 16 06:12
schestowitzand then you make arguments that should be common sense but are somehow controversial or outrageousJun 16 06:12
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Offensive Words We Should Uproot and Eliminate From Technology []Jun 16 06:43
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DaemonFC[m]Wang's position roughly corresponds with the rank of Major, according to a statement by the US Department of Justice.Jun 16 15:33
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DaemonFC[m]So what you're saying is that Trump now does have a Major Wang? Right before the election too!Jun 16 15:33
DaemonFC[m]Very convenient.Jun 16 15:34
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DaemonFC[m]I like the anti-ZFS fud out there that says that only Oracle supports it now and as part of Solaris.Jun 16 16:33
DaemonFC[m]The top contributors to OpenZFS, which is forked from the last version under the CDDL (from OpenSolaris), are former Sun engineers, including one of them that was one of the inventors of ZFS.Jun 16 16:34
DaemonFC[m]I don't know where the trolls are coming from. If Oracle is having people write anonymous complaints about ZFS or if it's from the "Die ZFS! Die, die, die!" crowd on the Linux side because the module isn't GPL licensed.Jun 16 16:35
MinceRi wonder if Obstacle is planning to sue people for using zfs on non-slowlarisJun 16 16:35
DaemonFC[m]It doesn't strike me as some code that's just rotting and just barely being bumped to build with Linux.Jun 16 16:35
DaemonFC[m]Legal issues aside, it doesn't strike me as bad or rotting code, which is where the trolls seem to be getting at.Jun 16 16:36
DaemonFC[m]<MinceR "i wonder if Obstacle is planning"> I think that if they could they probably would have already. This thing regarding Java is apparently never going to end, so maybe they're not spoiling for a fight with Canonical over something that is another highly contentious issue that not even lawyers can agree on.Jun 16 16:37
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Consider the Cookie Patent Lawsuit that kept rising from the grave for over 15 years.Jun 16 16:38
MinceRwell, it doesn't really fit any OS as it duplicates all the functionality anyway :>Jun 16 16:38
DaemonFC[m]The Cookie Patent Lawsuit was the third worst patent and/or copyright dispute I've ever seen, over software. The RIAA vs. the Internet thing was very bad, but it did not end well, for the RIAA.Jun 16 16:39
DaemonFC[m]A patent troll claimed that they had the patent for magic cookies in computer software. They sued Netscape, and then AOL had to defend the lawsuit.Jun 16 16:41
DaemonFC[m]Conceivably, if ValuClick had won the litigation, then any software that used a magic cookie, including X11, would infringe.Jun 16 16:41
DaemonFC[m]<MinceR "well, it doesn't really fit any "> Well, BtfFS tried to be the next gen file system for Linux and then the design was pretty much botched and the only people I know of that promote it now is Suse. Jun 16 16:43
DaemonFC[m]It ended up performing so poorly that Red Hat walked away and deleted the kernel module from their RHEL 8 release.Jun 16 16:44
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: You can get as many opinions as lawyers you talk to.Jun 16 16:44
DaemonFC[m]So nobody really knows what would happen with ZFS in court. Jun 16 16:45
MinceRyeah, btrfs was another craptastic fs from obstacleJun 16 16:45
MinceRi tried it on a usb flash driveJun 16 16:45
MinceRit lasted for about a week before it shat itselfJun 16 16:45
DaemonFC[m]The argument that shipping it as a loadable module works as a GPL condom.Jun 16 16:45
DaemonFC[m]Red Hat's lawyers disagree.Jun 16 16:45
MinceRbut at least btrfs fit into the design of linuxJun 16 16:45
MinceRzfs doesn'tJun 16 16:45
DaemonFC[m]Ubuntu went shopping and found a lawyer that says the GPL Condom Defense of shipping it as a module works.Jun 16 16:46
MinceRzfs was deliberately licensed in a way incompatible with linux because sun was so afraid of linuxJun 16 16:46
DaemonFC[m]Actually, BtrFS isn't Linux-ey at all.Jun 16 16:46
MinceRat least it doesn't reinvent the whole raid layerJun 16 16:46
DaemonFC[m]It's a layering violation that pisses all over the VFS and the LVM layers.Jun 16 16:47
MinceRyes, zfs is that :>Jun 16 16:47
DaemonFC[m]Mostly the point of VFS and LVM are that they can be shared among native file systems and you don't have to reimplement special code for each file system that will all have their own bugs in something that could be shared.Jun 16 16:48
MinceRindeedJun 16 16:48
DaemonFC[m]it also cuts down on resource footprint because Linux uses a fuckton of file systems that the user never really sees and they can all call that shared code.Jun 16 16:49
DaemonFC[m]On a modern computer, it's not that big of a savings, but there was a time....Jun 16 16:49
DaemonFC[m]I may do a fresh install of Fedora 33.Jun 16 16:50
MinceRwhat for?Jun 16 16:50
DaemonFC[m]They're talking about eliminating the swap entirely on computers with sufficient RAM and just creating a compressed RAM drive for it unless memory usage swells to the point that it has to give up and create a swap file for the time being.Jun 16 16:51
DaemonFC[m]It would let me reclaim 8 GB of my SSD.Jun 16 16:51
DaemonFC[m]It's not nothing. It's about 1.6% of total space.Jun 16 16:52
MinceRand how will they hibernate?Jun 16 16:52
DaemonFC[m]I suppose if the user wants to hibernate it could just create a swap file on the fly and put everything in that until the computer wakes up again.Jun 16 16:53
DaemonFC[m]Ubuntu uses a swap file that dynamically resizes itself.Jun 16 16:53
DaemonFC[m]Although 19.10 I think had a bug where if you set up encrypted LVM, it failed to set up the swap file.Jun 16 16:54
DaemonFC[m]Ubuntu always seems to have weird file system related bugs in their setup program.Jun 16 16:54
MinceRwhat could possibly go wrong?Jun 16 16:54
DaemonFC[m]Right now they have one where Ubuntu 20.04 LTS fails to boot if you have ZFS pools that exist and are called bpool or rpool.Jun 16 16:55
DaemonFC[m]Their ZFS offering seems to be chock full 'o bugs.Jun 16 16:55
DaemonFC[m]It screams to me of hack on top of hack alert.Jun 16 16:55
DaemonFC[m]Things that are held together by hacks rarely stay working as intended.Jun 16 16:56
DaemonFC[m]It's probably better to use a native file system and stratus. Jun 16 16:56
DaemonFC[m]The big issue here when you use an out of tree module is that the Linux developers won't stop you, but it's also far from being guaranteed to work.Jun 16 16:59
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DaemonFC[m]So you could end up in a situation where ZFS becomes unsupportable or they have to remove it because of a lawsuit, and all of your data is on it.Jun 16 16:59
DaemonFC[m]MinceR The only reason I continued using MP3 for so long was because of an iPod.Jun 16 17:01
DaemonFC[m]I used a reverse engineered library to sync it with Linux.Jun 16 17:01
DaemonFC[m]Apple's MP3 encoder appears to be licensed from FhG at some point and then abandoned.Jun 16 17:02
DaemonFC[m]It has behavior of earlier releases of FastEnc or MP3Enc.Jun 16 17:02
DaemonFC[m]So it's roughly unchanged from where the FhG stuff was in the early 2000s.Jun 16 17:03
DaemonFC[m]That seems to be why it underperforms LAME so much.Jun 16 17:03
DaemonFC[m]My guess is Apple had to support MP3, but they didn't want it to be the best MP3 implementation it could be, or people might decide to use it.Jun 16 17:04
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DaemonFC[m]The MP3 format, of course, supports VBR (mandatory), and the FhG code Apple licensed had it.Jun 16 17:07
MinceRapple users don't want the best implementation anywayJun 16 17:07
MinceRif they did, they wouldn't be apple usersJun 16 17:07
DaemonFC[m]But they disabled it and force CBR.Jun 16 17:07
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MinceRit would be like buying a bmw and expecting it to not set itself on fireJun 16 17:07
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DaemonFC[m]"MP3 Encoder: Use if you plan to listen to music in apps other than iTunes, or on MP3 players other than iPod, iPhone, or iPad."Jun 16 17:08
DaemonFC[m]LOLJun 16 17:08
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DaemonFC[m]All of those devices support MP3.Jun 16 17:08
DaemonFC[m]I sent them down the wire to my iPod using libimobiledevice.Jun 16 17:08
DaemonFC[m]After encoding them with the latest version of LAME.Jun 16 17:08
DaemonFC[m]They also support decoding VBR MP3 even though you can't make one with iTunes it seems.Jun 16 17:09
DaemonFC[m]I found that LAME -V4 did a fairly good job of quality/space ratio on my iPod.Jun 16 17:09
DaemonFC[m]I think I had 80 GB of flash storage.Jun 16 17:09
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DaemonFC[m]Which was pretty high end for 2007.Jun 16 17:10
DaemonFC[m]The hardware was pretty good, but I was definitely not using it like Apple intended. :)Jun 16 17:10
DaemonFC[m]Removing high frequencies in AAC/Vorbis is the best insufficient bits strategy.Jun 16 17:11
DaemonFC[m]Even though they can store the data efficiently, it just makes sense to sacrifice that first, starting with the highest frequencies and working down.Jun 16 17:11
DaemonFC[m]Vorbis isn't aggressive enough, in my opinion.Jun 16 17:11
DaemonFC[m]FDK-AAC is too aggressive.Jun 16 17:12
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DaemonFC[m]Opus can preserve band energy and might as well keep it by its design since it's very cheap to do, even though it won't be incredibly accurate. (Doesn't have to be.) Jun 16 17:13
DaemonFC[m]Opus is undoubtedly the best lossy codec. Apple has bent over backwards to avoid supporting it correctly. Jun 16 17:14
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Although xHE-AAC has new patents, you get a license to those patents by paying for the patent pool license at no additional cost.Jun 16 17:15
MinceRor i could just use FLACJun 16 17:15
DaemonFC[m]They're really trying to push it as a "Might as well. We already paid for it." thing..Jun 16 17:15
DaemonFC[m]The easiest way to support AAC is only support LC-AAC, don't pay them anything since the patents expired, and call it a day.Jun 16 17:16
DaemonFC[m]That solves the use case of very nearly all of your users.Jun 16 17:16
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: That's exactly what Fedora does, btw.Jun 16 17:16
DaemonFC[m]They ripped out all of the code to produce/decode HE-AAC and shipped the LC profile.Jun 16 17:17
MinceRwho caresJun 16 17:17
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DaemonFC[m]I thought it was hilarious.Jun 16 17:17
MinceRfedora became thoroughly broken with version 15 and it will never be fixedJun 16 17:17
MinceRit was "developed" since to the point where their installer won't even boot in a VMJun 16 17:17
MinceRit's a bad joke, not an OSJun 16 17:18
DaemonFC[m]Fraunhofer put this thing out encouraging people to build it and pay all this patent money.Jun 16 17:18
DaemonFC[m]Instead, Fedora patches out all of the patented bits that people mostly don't use anyway, and ships the core profile.Jun 16 17:18
MinceRubunturd did boot, and then its UI froze halfway through the installation processJun 16 17:18
DaemonFC[m]Ubuntu has many weird bugs.Jun 16 17:18
DaemonFC[m]I gave up on it with Unity.Jun 16 17:18
MinceRso when i needed cancerd to run some fiasco systems PoS for my work, i ended up installing deadian in a vmJun 16 17:18
MinceRit too is a huge pile of shit but at least it can be installed and bootedJun 16 17:19
DaemonFC[m]The GUI was a radical departure from normal and not in any ways that enhanced productivity. Jun 16 17:19
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MinceR(said fiasco systems piece of shit does make a token gesture toward running on a non-cancerd system, but i doubt those idiots even tested whether it works at all)Jun 16 17:19
DaemonFC[m]I hear Debian isn't a nightmare to set up anymore.Jun 16 17:20
DaemonFC[m]Last time, I could definitely see why few people bothered with it.Jun 16 17:20
DaemonFC[m]Most normal people don't want to sit there reading documentation for days on end to make their PC work.Jun 16 17:20
DaemonFC[m]Saying you have this incredibly half-baked Desktop Role and then when people deploy it, it's only kind of set up for them is not how you attract users.Jun 16 17:21
DaemonFC[m]Ubuntu does a lot of things that are not well thought out. Jun 16 17:22
MinceRwell, it probably can't be set up anymoreJun 16 17:22
MinceRunless you don't really need any packagesJun 16 17:22
MinceRthey probably let you use a real init system, they will just insist on reversing that if you try to install anythingJun 16 17:22
MinceRthat way, in their tiny minds, they can claim that they've given you a choiceJun 16 17:22
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DaemonFC[m]I'm sure that they've managed to not only include systemd but even managed to set it up incorrectly so that it behaves even more erratically than it should.Jun 16 17:37
MinceRwell, if their live media being able to boot at all (unlike fedora) is "erratic", then certainly so :>Jun 16 17:40
MinceRafter all, fedora functions consistently, that is, not at allJun 16 17:40
DaemonFC[m]It's been in use on my laptop from version 26-32.Jun 16 17:43
DaemonFC[m]I'd say they've definitely done some bad things upstream in Linux that gave me problems.Jun 16 17:44
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psydreadand that is the case on x86_64Jun 16 17:44
MinceR 16 17:44
DaemonFC[m]Like completely disabling GPU power management over a very minor security flaw, leaving it broken for months, and then giving up and turning it back on.Jun 16 17:44
psydreadon some other architectures it has been uninstallableJun 16 17:44
DaemonFC[m]I ended up using an old kernel until they did turn it back on.Jun 16 17:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Are Sex Dolls Legal in the United States? - Your DollJun 16 17:46
DaemonFC[m]This reminds me of that guy that got prosecuted during the Bush administration for having drawings (manga) that might be construed as "children" if you looked at them just right.Jun 16 17:47
DaemonFC[m]It's this weird thing that comes up every time there's a Republican in the White House. They try to go after people with obscenity laws and almost always lose.Jun 16 17:47
DaemonFC[m]I wonder what RMS would have to say about all of this.Jun 16 17:48
DaemonFC[m]Actually, that article is not correct. Some states (Alabama, iirc, is one of them.) have laws against sex toys.Jun 16 17:49
DaemonFC[m]They occasionally prosecute people for ordering them over the internet.Jun 16 17:49
MinceRyou're supposed to fuck close relatives, not sex dolls.Jun 16 17:49
MinceRthen the resulting children must be born, regardless of how much suffering it will guarantee them in life, then, since they're born and have no rights anymore, can be sent to fight in some war for some rich people's interests.Jun 16 17:51
MinceRchristian "morality"!Jun 16 17:51
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DaemonFC[m]<MinceR "christian "morality"!"> People like Matthew Garrett piss me off. They're as annoying as Republicans, just on the opposite end of the spectrum, and often have the same goals in the end.Jun 16 17:53
DaemonFC[m]The Republicans have weird hangups about sex because they're creeps.Jun 16 17:54
DaemonFC[m]On the other end, SJWs do because they've invented terms like microaggressions, and porn and sex toys are an attack on womyn.Jun 16 17:55
MinceRauthoritarians have mostly congregated into 2 factions, so they can have a numerous designated enemy group they can point to and claim to be superior toJun 16 17:55
DaemonFC[m]They really outdid themselves this time.Jun 16 17:57
DaemonFC[m]All womyn must be believed, except Tara Reade.Jun 16 17:57
MinceR 16 17:58
DaemonFC[m]Trump has not made Tara Reade a campaign issue because he's a real pig and he probably doesn't want attack ads with 20-some women in them.Jun 16 17:58
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schestowitzMinceR: nice..Jun 16 18:02
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: IIRC it was the UK where there was a high-profile incident related to this months agoJun 16 18:02
schestowitzsomeone ordered online a doll which he said he didn't know was 'too small'Jun 16 18:02
schestowitzA argument  could be made that people who are sick and find kids sexually attractive (and cannot be 'cured' off it) would harm children more if they didn't manage to relieve themselves with objectsJun 16 18:03
DaemonFC[m]Most of them are not of the correct anatomical shape and size, just "close enough".Jun 16 18:03
DaemonFC[m]Keeps manufacturing and shipping costs down.Jun 16 18:04
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: maybe if the dolls have breasts too small, that too would make it "pedophilia"Jun 16 18:04
schestowitzlike some people might call porn stars with flat breasts something for 'sick' peopleJun 16 18:04
DaemonFC[m]I was actually thinking that. So they're doing something to a hunk of plastic instead of maybe breaking the law.Jun 16 18:04
DaemonFC[m]Isn't that better?Jun 16 18:05
schestowitzas if to say not you're not allowed to have sex with woman who are adults but are 'too flat'Jun 16 18:05
schestowitzwhich would of course stir up racist allegations, tooJun 16 18:05
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: RMS spoke about this in the context of necrophiliaJun 16 18:05
schestowitzI think he also spoke about dolls, but nothing I can remember vividlyJun 16 18:05
schestowitzhe had some page where he spoke about the damage done to the corpse being less severe because it's not aware of itJun 16 18:06
schestowitzwhich afaik isn't a defence of necrophiliaJun 16 18:06
DaemonFC[m]I can't see how it would be one.Jun 16 18:06
schestowitzbut if you're to convict people, unless you also killed the person, they might want to take relative harm into accountJun 16 18:06
schestowitzsame for people who rape animalsJun 16 18:06
DaemonFC[m]Generally, what makes a person a person is being alive and aware of what is happening to them.Jun 16 18:06
DaemonFC[m]Once you're dead, that's gone forever.Jun 16 18:07
schestowitzand some would allege that some animals might sometimes "enjoy" it )(yuck)Jun 16 18:07
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: but that's another lawJun 16 18:07
schestowitzmaybe desecration of bodiesJun 16 18:07
DaemonFC[m]I think RMS said that too.Jun 16 18:07
schestowitzif you dismember bodies, it might make the sentence worse after killing  themJun 16 18:07
schestowitzsame for cannibalism and decapitation etc.Jun 16 18:07
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: the anti-RMS lobby used that page as evidence of thoughtcrimeJun 16 18:08
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, I met someone off Grindr one time who was 17. (Legal in this state.)Jun 16 18:08
schestowitzas if RMS somehow advocated those thingsJun 16 18:08
schestowitzdepends on your ageJun 16 18:08
DaemonFC[m]Then we were sitting at the mall talking and he asked "Do you like dogs?".Jun 16 18:08
DaemonFC[m]I was like, "Uhm, in what context?".Jun 16 18:08
schestowitzI think if you're 57, it might be problematic for you two to date or have intercourseJun 16 18:08
schestowitzThere's that Roy Moore guy, dated little girlsJun 16 18:09
DaemonFC[m]He told me he wanted me to have sex with his dog. I said, "Okay, we're done here.".Jun 16 18:09
schestowitzewwwJun 16 18:09
schestowitzanimal abuseJun 16 18:09
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, people in Chicago tend to be pretty messed up.Jun 16 18:10
schestowitzthere's that south park episodeJun 16 18:10
schestowitzwhere cartman (iirc) 'milks' the dog in front of house guests, not realising what's going onJun 16 18:10
DaemonFC[m]LOLJun 16 18:10
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: The police in Gurnee bait gay people.Jun 16 18:10
schestowitzanyway, if those subjects (sex dolls, bodies, zoophilia) ever get brought up, you might be quoted out of contextJun 16 18:10
DaemonFC[m]Fake profiles of 15/16 year olds. Jun 16 18:10
DaemonFC[m]It's never 17 because that wouldn't be a crime.Jun 16 18:11
schestowitzoh, so it's that whole "gays" 'prey on kids' narrative...Jun 16 18:11
schestowitzas if there aren't dudes who look for schoolgirldJun 16 18:11
schestowitz*girlsJun 16 18:11
DaemonFC[m]yeah, and they do it in IllinoisJun 16 18:11
schestowitzmaybe the PD is homophobicJun 16 18:11
schestowitzhow many gay cops are employed there?Jun 16 18:11
DaemonFC[m]Probably.Jun 16 18:12
DaemonFC[m]In Indiana, the age of consent is 16.Jun 16 18:12
schestowitzthose ages are arbitraryJun 16 18:12
schestowitzRMS once talked about maturity differencesJun 16 18:12
schestowitzmental and physicalJun 16 18:12
DaemonFC[m]They can't really do much of anything over it. Sometimes if the parent complains they're at your house or something they can hit you with a misdemeanor.Jun 16 18:12
DaemonFC[m]Contributing to Delinquency.Jun 16 18:12
schestowitzsome races reach at age 16 the sort of sexual maturity others reach maybe at 18Jun 16 18:13
DaemonFC[m]Most people aren't too stupid to know what they're doing at 16-17.Jun 16 18:13
DaemonFC[m]They can drive a car and own a gun in Indiana.Jun 16 18:13
schestowitzso going by DoB alone might be not so ideal... though it's a tricky and prickly situation altogether... remember that in many Muslim countries people marry little girlsJun 16 18:13
schestowitzand they tell us to treat that as "cultural differences", not pedophiliaJun 16 18:14
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, and it's like 11 years old.Jun 16 18:14
schestowitzsome of them have not even reached puberty, years behind it... but it's Islamophobic to bring that upJun 16 18:14
DaemonFC[m]That's not even debatable. That's terrible.Jun 16 18:14
schestowitzRural US has the same issue, which is unspeakable in mainstream media because it harms the image of Christianity tooJun 16 18:14
DaemonFC[m]"Cultural child rape"Jun 16 18:15
DaemonFC[m]Have to respect!Jun 16 18:15
schestowitzlike parents arranging marriages after someone raped a niece or a neighbour, who's well under age of consentJun 16 18:15
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, that's actually a defense in court in some states.Jun 16 18:16
DaemonFC[m]It's pretty sick.Jun 16 18:16
schestowitzwhat is?Jun 16 18:16
schestowitzThat it was arrange to 'settle' things?Jun 16 18:16
schestowitzAnd now that they're adult and married, all is forgiven?Jun 16 18:16
DaemonFC[m]You broke the law by having sex with a 13 year old or something but it's okay because the parents signed off and you got "married" later.Jun 16 18:16
schestowitz*arrangedJun 16 18:16
schestowitzchild bribes, grooming...Jun 16 18:16
schestowitzall sorts of terms are used hereJun 16 18:17
DaemonFC[m]No, the prosecutor literally cannot prosecute a rape that already occurred against a child if you are currently married when they go to bring charges.Jun 16 18:17
schestowitzbut the law is now catching upJun 16 18:17
DaemonFC[m]It works like that in Mississippi.Jun 16 18:17
schestowitzand the fear of the courts being called racist may be a factorJun 16 18:17
schestowitzRemember:Jun 16 18:17
schestowitzin Islam...Jun 16 18:17
schestowitzSometimes...Jun 16 18:17
schestowitzif not by lawJun 16 18:17
schestowitzthe rapist can marry the victimJun 16 18:17
schestowitzor...Jun 16 18:17
schestowitzthe victim can be forced.coerced to marry her rapistJun 16 18:17
schestowitziirc, also if underageJun 16 18:18
DaemonFC[m]Islam is pretty much the most despicable mainstream religion.Jun 16 18:18
DaemonFC[m]It's not exactly a photo finish either.Jun 16 18:18
schestowitzand the law would be on the rapist's side... that's one heck of an incentive to rape... even little girldJun 16 18:18
schestowitzyou get rewarded with marriage to an unwanting and unwilling girl, even young girl, by sexually assaulting herJun 16 18:19
MinceR16 190352 < schestowitz> A argument  could be made that people who are sick and find kids sexually attractive (and cannot be 'cured' off it) would harm children more if they didn't manage to relieve themselves with objectsJun 16 18:19
MinceRobviouslyJun 16 18:19
MinceRbut fundamentalists are immune to reasonJun 16 18:19
schestowitzthey're too busy "thinking about the children" when it suits themJun 16 18:19
schestowitznot Roy MooreJun 16 18:19
schestowitzRoy Moore is greatJun 16 18:19
schestowitzand Trump was just "kidding" about groping womenJun 16 18:19
DaemonFC[m]There's basically no way to cure it that doesn't involve castration. Jun 16 18:19
schestowitzand they wanted it anyway, they tell us, they were 'lucky' to be molester by the Return of the Christ Donald J ThumpppJun 16 18:20
MinceRwhether he was "kidding" or not was probably decided afterwardsJun 16 18:20
schestowitz*molestedJun 16 18:20
MinceRpeople didn't like it => only kiddingJun 16 18:20
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I don't think it's uncommon or creepy to be attracted to older teenagers.Jun 16 18:20
DaemonFC[m]If it was, there wouldn't be a huge market for "barely legal", some of which have people go in there and show an ID that has their birthday on it that day.Jun 16 18:21
schestowitz 16 18:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | "Hitler's only kidding about the antisemitism" New York Times, 1922 / Boing BoingJun 16 18:21
DaemonFC[m]It's frowned upon to say what everyone already knows though, for some reason.Jun 16 18:21
MinceR(cat) (audio:unimportant) 16 18:21
MinceRlol @ headlineJun 16 18:22
schestowitzWhen you ask Trump about racism and stuff he'd also end up saying it's just a jokeJun 16 18:22
schestowitzif it gets too hot, even from GOP politiciansJun 16 18:22
DaemonFC[m]The Nazis had a lot of support in the US.Jun 16 18:22
DaemonFC[m]People pointing to Hitler's "economic miracle" in Germany that basically reversed their awful recession overnight.Jun 16 18:22
schestowitzMinceR: I thought he was going to flushJun 16 18:23
schestowitzbut then the video endsJun 16 18:23
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, refusing to pay war reparations and passing a huge public works campaign and rearmament tends to do that.Jun 16 18:23
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DaemonFC[m]You need lots of people working all of a sudden to build roads and bridges and dams and power plants and tanks, guns, bombs, and airplanes.Jun 16 18:24
MinceRalso, damn, i didn't know boingboing was such an unholy barrage of ads without an adblockerJun 16 18:24
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schestowitzand labour camps... they're more productive at itJun 16 18:24
DaemonFC[m]So unemployment goes down to zero and suddenly you're a genius for putting people to work who had been totally sidelined and forgotten about.Jun 16 18:24
schestowitzMinceR: it's a dying siteJun 16 18:24
schestowitzeven doctorow left itJun 16 18:24
schestowitzthey also put Microsoft spam thereJun 16 18:24
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: the New Deal worked in a sense...Jun 16 18:25
schestowitzbut I think it wasn't geared towards invading countriesJun 16 18:25
DaemonFC[m]We need another one....immediately.Jun 16 18:25
schestowitzyupJun 16 18:25
schestowitzhere alsoJun 16 18:25
DaemonFC[m]Instead, what we get is trillions flowing to banks and Wall Street while they fire everyone.Jun 16 18:25
schestowitzvery high employment deficityJun 16 18:25
schestowitzpeople don't use their productive potential, and many possible projects can be started, like extending canal works and improving the infrastructureJun 16 18:26
schestowitzbut that requires importing tools and material, training tooJun 16 18:26
DaemonFC[m]The stock market only looks good because the Fed stepped in and is buying ETFs and corporate bonds that nobody actually wants.Jun 16 18:26
schestowitzthe stock market is not the economyJun 16 18:26
schestowitzit's a mirageJun 16 18:26
schestowitzthe oligarchs point to itJun 16 18:27
DaemonFC[m]The private sector is being snapped up by the Central bank at a rate of hundreds of billions of dollars per month.Jun 16 18:27
DaemonFC[m]It's absolutely horrific and it will not end well.Jun 16 18:27
schestowitzbecause it shows THEIR wealth as a surrogate of COLLECTIVE (national) wellbeingJun 16 18:27
schestowitzwhich is falseJun 16 18:27
schestowitzall the markets went up a lot while wages stagnated, so that tells enough...Jun 16 18:27
DaemonFC[m]This is basically nationalizing the economy by any other name than Communism.Jun 16 18:27
schestowitzSocialism For the RichJun 16 18:28
schestowitzTrillions of businessmanJun 16 18:28
schestowitz*menJun 16 18:28
schestowitzsometimes womenJun 16 18:28
schestowitzsometimesJun 16 18:28
DaemonFC[m]The Federal Reserve is partially a government agency and partially a privately owned bank.Jun 16 18:28
schestowitzit's not good to say that the system is by men, for men... still... with "diversity" lip service to appease criticsJun 16 18:28
DaemonFC[m]People should really be taking their stocks now and selling them soon if they have any.Jun 16 18:29
DaemonFC[m]Putting it in something real, like gold and silver.Jun 16 18:29
DaemonFC[m]The value of the Dollar will plummet eventually while the adjusted value in gold will increase.Jun 16 18:29
DaemonFC[m]There's a limited supply of gold and people always like it.Jun 16 18:30
DaemonFC[m]It's pretty obvious.Jun 16 18:30
schestowitzif you can keep it safeJun 16 18:30
DaemonFC[m]yeah, thatJun 16 18:30
schestowitzmost people keep their gold in some banking systemsJun 16 18:30
schestowitzin cellars and stuff, sometimes overseasJun 16 18:30
schestowitzthey can be denied access to these one dayJun 16 18:30
schestowitzif stored at home, it can be stolen by break-inJun 16 18:30
schestowitzor you cannot find a buyer for it when times get toughJun 16 18:31
schestowitzthere's a huge online BS market for gold and other metalsJun 16 18:31
schestowitzand they pump up hype into itJun 16 18:31
schestowitzhelps them 1) sell itJun 16 18:31
schestowitz2) drive up the price of itJun 16 18:31
schestowitzso either way they profitJun 16 18:31
schestowitzand you end up with some paper of slip saying you have some bar of $METAL somewhereJun 16 18:32
schestowitzand you don't get very good assurances of access to itJun 16 18:32
schestowitzsee the collapsing bitcoin companiesJun 16 18:32
schestowitzwhere the assets just vanished without trace and without warningJun 16 18:32
schestowitzI don't regard these as any safer than deposits at the mainstreet banks hereJun 16 18:32
DaemonFC[m]Banks are choking off the supply of credit to their revolving credit card customers.Jun 16 18:33
schestowitzwith "property rights" being strong here with regards to home you'd assume the state would help if someone attempted to steal your home where you liveJun 16 18:33
DaemonFC[m]So they're saying that the economy will just go right back to booming again in a few months, and what they're actually doing is hunkering down and protecting themselves against future losses.Jun 16 18:33
schestowitzand the state would send armed people to defend your "property" if necessaryJun 16 18:33
DaemonFC[m]They gave Mandy a credit card.Jun 16 18:34
schestowitzthis is 2008 all over again, plus the virus, which actually kills and would kill a lot more if we pass it aroundJun 16 18:34
schestowitzwow, a CREDIT cardJun 16 18:34
schestowitzdebt cards I call themJun 16 18:34
schestowitzthey spam me like 20 times a year offering me oneJun 16 18:35
DaemonFC[m]We've been using it to buy groceries and gas and pay it right back off.Jun 16 18:35
DaemonFC[m]They're bonus categories. Jun 16 18:35
schestowitzbblJun 16 18:35
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Yeah, they're about to eat $45,000 in bad credit card debt in my bankruptcy.Jun 16 18:35
DaemonFC[m]Things just spiraled out of control last year and there was nothing else to turn to for money.Jun 16 18:36
DaemonFC[m]I didn't have any payday loans. My lawyer mentioned those, but I said I didn't have any because they go away in bankruptcy, but by the time you file the bankruptcy, they've probably gotten most or all of the loan money back from you paying roll over fees when the loan came due and you still didn't have any money.Jun 16 18:37
DaemonFC[m]Payday loan people do not fuck around. If you stop paying the roll over fee and they can't get into your bank account for some reason, you're in court a few weeks later.Jun 16 18:38
DaemonFC[m]Credit card companies just nag you about it for a year or two. They'll get you into court at some point, but we're not talking weeks.Jun 16 18:38
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | New York Times in 1924: ‘Hitler Tamed by Prison’ - The Washington PostJun 16 18:47
scientesAlso was nominated for the Nobel peace prize....Jun 16 18:47
DaemonFC[m]The IMHE model is now predicting that the Coronavirus will kill 201,000 people in the US by October 1st. Jun 16 19:04
DaemonFC[m]Well, they sure changed their mind on that one. In late April, only 68,000 were going to die, period. End of story.Jun 16 19:04
DaemonFC[m]Now it's 4 times that, according to the same people.Jun 16 19:04
DaemonFC[m] 16 19:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Trump's Rally in Tulsa Could Spread Virus - The New York TimesJun 16 19:08
DaemonFC[m]"They are pleading with the Trump campaign to cancel the event, slated for a 20,000-person indoor arena — or at least move it outdoors."Jun 16 19:08
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Civil Rights Law Protects L.G.B.T. Workers, Supreme Court Rules - The New York TimesJun 16 19:14
DaemonFC[m]ENDA, or the Employment Non Discrimination Act, had been stalled in Congress for over a decade.Jun 16 19:14
DaemonFC[m]The expansion of the Civil Rights Act effectively enacted ENDA by saying that anti-gay discrimination is illegal under existing federal law.Jun 16 19:14
DaemonFC[m]Trump was reportedly stunned when the news asked him for his reaction.Jun 16 19:15
DaemonFC[m]This is just fantastic. Trump was a reaction by conservatives against things like the decision to strike down same-sex marriage bans so nothing further would be decided in that direction.Jun 16 19:19
DaemonFC[m]Trump got in and the people that voted for them basically got to see ENDA go into effect anyway.Jun 16 19:19
DaemonFC[m]It doesn't seem logical to assume that this court will be the one to reverse marriage equality in light of the fact that two Republicans on the court just expanded federal civil rights law.Jun 16 19:20
DaemonFC[m]Electoral-Vote dot com wondered if this will enrage the Republicans and get them into the voting booth to try again, or demoralize them.Jun 16 19:20
DaemonFC[m]I don't suspect it will have much of an effect on the election though.Jun 16 19:21
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AVRSGoogle wants to display only the domain name in the URL field: 16 20:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 1090393 - chromium - An open-source project to help move the web forward. - MonorailJun 16 20:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | ? Chrome ???? ???? ? ??? ??? ??? ? ????? ???Jun 16 20:41
*XRevan86 saw that. At least they allow to switch easily on desktop.Jun 16 20:42
scientesAVRS, that is a HORRIBLE ideaJun 16 20:42
scientesend of the web, "apps" onlyJun 16 20:43
XRevan86- Send me the link.Jun 16 20:43
XRevan86- twitter.comJun 16 20:43
AVRSSuspected reason: 16 20:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Accelerated Mobile Pages - WikipediaJun 16 20:44
scientesits ActiveX all over againJun 16 20:44
XRevan86I'll just leave this here: 16 20:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Redirect AMP to HTML | Web ExtensionJun 16 20:44
AVRS 16 20:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Link to AMP Content  |  Google AMP Cache  |  Google DevelopersJun 16 20:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Chrome 69: “www.” subdomain missing from URL | Hacker NewsJun 16 20:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Google wants websites to adopt AMP as the default for building webpages | Hacker NewsJun 16 20:45
MinceRthese "switchable" things have a tendency of becoming unswitchable a few releases laterJun 16 20:46
XRevan86MinceR: I don't think that'll be the case here exactly because the default sucks so muchJun 16 20:46
MinceRgoogle doesn't care how much the default sucksJun 16 20:46
MinceRthey didn't care when they copied the massive and ugly tabs from failfoxJun 16 20:46
scienteswhen people start open-washing things its time to run away from themJun 16 20:46
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XRevan86If you're at least a "confident PC user", then suddenly you might want to disable this mess.Jun 16 20:47
AVRSAnother suspected reason:!msg/blink-dev/gPH_BcOBEtc/Z41GR0mwEQAJJun 16 20:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Signed HTTP ExchangesJun 16 20:47
XRevan86MinceR: The Australis tabs?Jun 16 20:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Google GroupsJun 16 20:47
MinceRthey didn't care when they removed MHTML supportJun 16 20:47
MinceRXRevan86: something like thatJun 16 20:47
MinceRtabs with the assumption that you're using a touchscreenJun 16 20:47
gde33 16 20:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-YouTubeJun 16 20:47
*XRevan86 loves OpenNET.Jun 16 20:48
MinceRwhat's that?Jun 16 20:48
XRevan86MinceR: A news site about FOSS in Russian.Jun 16 20:49
XRevan86MinceR: AVRS actually linked to it.Jun 16 20:49
gde33 16 20:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Good times create weak men @ tonsky.meJun 16 20:49
MinceRicJun 16 20:49
AVRSXRevan86: why do you love it?Jun 16 20:49
XRevan86I've been following it ever since I switched to GNU/Linux.Jun 16 20:49
XRevan86AVRS: A more professional take on things than, say, in LOR news.Jun 16 20:50
AVRSModeration though has had some… issues.Jun 16 20:50
XRevan86AVRS: Shigorin?Jun 16 20:51
AVRSAlso the way people rate news.Jun 16 20:51
AVRSXRevan86: Yes.Jun 16 20:51
scientes 16 20:51
XRevan86AVRS: Yes, I don't read comments there, unless I'm told to.Jun 16 20:51
scientesholy shitJun 16 20:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 881410 - chromium - An open-source project to help move the web forward. - MonorailJun 16 20:51
XRevan86AVRS: And I only now noticed that the news have ratings %)Jun 16 20:52
AVRSXRevan86: the ratings are often about whether the event described was happy or sad.Jun 16 20:52
MinceRgotta love these informative title stringsJun 16 20:52
XRevan86MinceR: You mean, the failed KOI8-R conversion by the bot?Jun 16 20:53
MinceRthe strings the bot returns for chromium bugsJun 16 20:53
XRevan86AVRS: Shigorin is quite a character. Did you hear that he was shunned when RMS came to Moscow last year?Jun 16 20:54
MinceRwhich contain the bug id, "chromium" and some worthless slogan, but no bug titleJun 16 20:54
AVRSXRevan86: "shunned"?Jun 16 20:54
XRevan86AVRS: Received vocal disapprovement.Jun 16 20:55
XRevan86RMS' been expressing support for the protests and Shigorin said something about them being a bunch of thugs or something like that.Jun 16 20:56
XRevan86AVRS: The usual pro-Putin stuff.Jun 16 20:56
XRevan86that you'd expect from ShigorinJun 16 20:57
scientesif Google gets their way then China will have the most open internetJun 16 20:58
XRevan86scientes: What I really don't get is why Google even implemented www. hiding when most web sites don't even require www. for use.Jun 16 21:00
XRevan86www is a relic, and they're writing some code for it, that reduces reliability of the browserJun 16 21:00
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XRevan86in those rare cases when www. has something differentJun 16 21:01
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XRevan86And of course subdomains like m. do have something different, so this just misleads the user intentionally.Jun 16 21:02
AVRSXRevan86: was it at or elsewhere?Jun 16 21:04
XRevan86AVRS: That was IRLJun 16 21:04
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Work ItJun 16 21:28
DaemonFC[m]Trump's net approval rating is continuing to fall.Jun 16 21:31
DaemonFC[m]It's at its lowest since the government shutdown last year.Jun 16 21:31
gde33when he gets to zero he will reach ultimate formJun 16 21:31
MinceRlolJun 16 21:33
MinceRor just the next oneJun 16 21:33
MinceR"this isn't even my final form!"Jun 16 21:33
DaemonFC[m]Net approval in mid-June in an election year, Trump is doing a little worse than Jimmy Carter.Jun 16 21:33
DaemonFC[m]Jimmy Carter never would have won without the Watergate corruption leading into the 1976 election.Jun 16 21:34
gde33dont worry about it, he will just purchase popularity in timeJun 16 21:34
MinceRor change the election lawsJun 16 21:35
gde33that would be funnyJun 16 21:35
DaemonFC[m]People were pissed about a lot. The Nixon scandals, Ford pardoning Nixon, high inflation and unemployment, the Vietnam War, and two oil shocks.Jun 16 21:35
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DaemonFC[m]Carter did okay in approval rating for a while, but it was really the Iran Hostage Crisis that was the last nail.Jun 16 21:36
gde33sometimes organizing in big groups works out well, at other times it just gets totally weirdJun 16 21:36
gde33my theory is that collectives are seperate life formsJun 16 21:36
DaemonFC[m]I don't think it will be so much the country taking a sharp left that throws Trump out and possibly the Senate Republicans too.Jun 16 21:37
DaemonFC[m]It'll be people who are unemployed and mad about it and no job to go to, so they vote.Jun 16 21:38
DaemonFC[m]We saw how that played out in 2008.Jun 16 21:38
DaemonFC[m]The worse thing for Trump is high unemployment going into the election.Jun 16 21:38
DaemonFC[m]People are pissed about not having a job, they see him as the bum to throw out, and they have nothing but time on their hands to go vote.Jun 16 21:38
DaemonFC[m]*worstJun 16 21:39
gde33homelessness cures votingJun 16 21:39
DaemonFC[m]You can register to vote if you're homeless.Jun 16 21:39
gde33the shocking statistic I ran into one time was this: I took the US presidential candidate list and tried to find the offical homepage, facebook and youtube for a few dozen of them.Jun 16 21:40
DaemonFC[m]gde33: I've thought about saving up after the bankruptcy and things go through and get a cargo van to convert into a living space.Jun 16 21:41
gde33below the green party (which had 250 views per video) the number of views droped like a rockJun 16 21:41
DaemonFC[m]The rent crisis is just entirely out of control.Jun 16 21:41
gde33so low as to not account for family and friendsJun 16 21:42
DaemonFC[m]Lots of landlords are now filing Chapter 11 bankruptcy to try to hold onto their properties and get the court to force new terms on the bank that owns their mortgages.Jun 16 21:42
gde33so low that I was pretty sure I was the only guy looking at more than 5 of the programsJun 16 21:42
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Not that my in laws are smart enough to do this, but if I was them I'd file Chapter 13 and set up a repayment plan and have the court modify my mortgage.Jun 16 21:43
gde33if one is to chose something, say a meal from a menu, one should read a bit and make an informed decisionJun 16 21:43
DaemonFC[m]Even if they only knock 1-2 points off the interest, that's a big help.Jun 16 21:43
gde33if there are zero people doing that... what do you think that means?Jun 16 21:43
DaemonFC[m]They're too proud to file bankruptcy though, so they'll just keep squirming underneath all the debt they shouldn't have taken on.Jun 16 21:44
DaemonFC[m]The court could cut up their credit cards and set up installment payments at like 3-4% interest over the next 5 years.Jun 16 21:44
XRevan86gde33: That no one even considers any party to win but the select two.Jun 16 21:44
DaemonFC[m]Beats trying to pay off 10 credit cards that are all maxed out.Jun 16 21:44
DaemonFC[m]Sometimes you can avoid bankruptcy and negotiate with the credit card people to lower the interest rate a few points.Jun 16 21:45
XRevan86gde33: In a fatal flaw in Winner Takes All elections.Jun 16 21:45
DaemonFC[m]That tends to help people who aren't in deep shit just yet.Jun 16 21:45
XRevan86Because with those the best way to win is to give the opposition options.Jun 16 21:46
XRevan86And so everyone hates having options.Jun 16 21:46
XRevan86More of the same, please. Or else Trump wins, I guess.Jun 16 21:47
MinceRand so they don't have anyJun 16 21:47
DaemonFC[m]Bankruptcy is the way to go for many people this year.Jun 16 21:47
XRevan86MinceR: Sometimes you just can't win.Jun 16 21:47
DaemonFC[m]For some reason, bankruptcies were trending down every year since 2013.Jun 16 21:47
MinceRbankruptcy, so hot right nowJun 16 21:47
DaemonFC[m]If you have little or nothing to take and a LOT of debt, and your credit is ruined already anyway, why the hell not?Jun 16 21:48
DaemonFC[m]That's where I ended up.Jun 16 21:48
XRevan86Where "you" is the majority. Democracy, right.Jun 16 21:48
DaemonFC[m]$335 to file and like $800 to the lawyer beats getting sued over half a dozen credit cards, a Kia with a really bad loan on it, and medical bills.Jun 16 21:49
MinceRon the long term, "the human species" is the majorityJun 16 21:50
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I'm glad I let them fuck me over at the car dealership in retrospect.Jun 16 21:50
MinceRthey can pray all they want, they can lie to themselves all they want, the next meteorite isn't going to ask them who their god isJun 16 21:50
DaemonFC[m]That's just more money John loses at this point.Jun 16 21:50
MinceRif they consider science to be just another (unpopular) opinion, they'll be sitting ducks eventuallyJun 16 21:50
MinceRand even if no meteorites strike, the Sun will go red giant, and it isn't going to turn back just because they pray to yahweh.Jun 16 21:51
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Trump says as many as 60,000 people might gather for his rally in Tulsa.Jun 16 21:51
MinceRbut they'll probably drown/cook themselves well before thatJun 16 21:51
DaemonFC[m]Public health officials are horrified.Jun 16 21:51
MinceRare these officials republicans then?Jun 16 21:51
MinceR"republicans"Jun 16 21:52
DaemonFC[m]They know that COVID-19 will find its way in there.Jun 16 21:52
MinceRthe chief "republican" admires dictatorships and dictators the mostJun 16 21:52
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Yeah, but at the state and local level.Jun 16 21:52
MinceRand wants to replace the republic with a dictatorshipJun 16 21:52
DaemonFC[m]The ones who will have to deal with the shit hitting the fan after the rally is over.Jun 16 21:52
MinceRor they can just quitJun 16 21:53
MinceRright nowJun 16 21:53
DaemonFC[m]I really don't doubt he can get that many people there.Jun 16 21:53
MinceR"oh, you're going to hold Nurgle parties now? then fuck you, i'm off."Jun 16 21:53
DaemonFC[m]It's one of the reddest states in the country and his personality cult attracts anyone who can make it there.Jun 16 21:53
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Tulsa had its worst one day total for new COVID-19 diagnoses yesterday.Jun 16 21:54
DaemonFC[m]So he's having a rally there right at the worst point in the pandemic, locally.Jun 16 21:55
XRevan86So the main property of that kind of voting is that diversity, a rich political organisation is a way to failure.Jun 16 21:55
DaemonFC[m]I figure that hundreds of people will get COVID-19 at the rally.Jun 16 21:55
DaemonFC[m]If not more.Jun 16 21:56
XRevan86It's how United Russia consistently wins every local election when people have to vote on a person.Jun 16 21:56
DaemonFC[m]Maybe 50 or 60 of them die, and then they all spread it to others.Jun 16 21:56
MinceRthat's only part of itJun 16 21:56
MinceRpart if it is that there are enough idiot savages who will even consider voting for united russiaJun 16 21:56
XRevan86They rarely make the majority, they are not popular, but… there are many oppositioners but there's only one United Russia.Jun 16 21:57
DaemonFC[m]Biden doesn't really have to do much campaigning.Jun 16 21:57
DaemonFC[m]He's ahead by double digits.Jun 16 21:57
DaemonFC[m]He's barely done any campaigning, although the commercials have begun.Jun 16 21:57
XRevan86MinceR: Conformists are a sizable group, they can easily hit 30% just for showing up.Jun 16 21:57
DaemonFC[m]Apparently, attack ads reminding people of what a piece of shit Trump is aren't moving the needle very much.Jun 16 21:57
XRevan86And 30% is all they need.Jun 16 21:58
DaemonFC[m]I think Biden needs to switch gears and run ads just saying what he wants to do. Doesn't even have to be anything spectacular.Jun 16 21:58
MinceRthen again, in putler's case, it might not matter at all how people voteJun 16 21:58
DaemonFC[m]People who hate Trump really hate Trump.Jun 16 21:58
MinceRXRevan86: yes, dangerously stupid people are a sizable groupJun 16 21:58
MinceRand are one of the reasons why democracy doesn't work with humansJun 16 21:59
DaemonFC[m]There's about 39-40% of the electorate out there where Trump can do no wrong.Jun 16 21:59
XRevan86MinceR: Point is, they don't need to be a majority. They just need to be consolidated.Jun 16 21:59
DaemonFC[m]So trying to make them change their minds is pointless.Jun 16 21:59
MinceRit would be a better solution to eliminate the vehicle that lets such retarded barbarians control my lifeJun 16 21:59
MinceRthat is, to abolish the stateJun 16 22:00
DaemonFC[m]Biden needs to focus on base turnout and an appeal to independent voters.Jun 16 22:00
DaemonFC[m]Trump is not focusing on independent voters and undecideds.Jun 16 22:00
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XRevan86And unlike everyone else, they practically always are, just because they are a herd by design.Jun 16 22:00
DaemonFC[m]He's going full base turnout and that might be his downfall.Jun 16 22:00
MinceRit's enough that such people fuck up their own lives because of their evilness and stupidity, they shouldn't get to fuck up other people's lives tooJun 16 22:00
XRevan86MinceR: My point is that maybe the system should not reward this.Jun 16 22:00
MinceRin the end, they're going to die anywayJun 16 22:00
DaemonFC[m]39-40% is obviously not nothing, but it doesn't win an election if everyone else can't stand you and thinks you're the devil.Jun 16 22:00
MinceRmight as well let the decent, sapient minority survive on the long term\Jun 16 22:01
XRevan86Winner Takes All is the worst.Jun 16 22:01
MinceRs/.$//Jun 16 22:01
DaemonFC[m]Nevertheless, he's 100% devoted to appealing to the base and only the base.Jun 16 22:01
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DaemonFC[m]Realistically speaking, Trump needs to convince about 47.5-49% of the electorate to support him, depending on the spread of the popular vote.Jun 16 22:02
DaemonFC[m]To do that, he has to appeal to people who he is really pissing off right now.Jun 16 22:03
DaemonFC[m]So I don't see this as a winning strategy.Jun 16 22:03
DaemonFC[m]He's polling the lowest ever recorded for a Republican president among voters who identify as Democrat.Jun 16 22:03
DaemonFC[m]He's also not doing very well with independent voters.Jun 16 22:03
MinceRhe can get some help from his friend putler againJun 16 22:04
DaemonFC[m]On the flip side, fully 9% of self-identified Republicans say they'll vote for Biden or a third party, compared to 2%  of Democrats saying Trump or third party.Jun 16 22:04
MinceRand probably also from the folks at diebold^WpremiereJun 16 22:04
DaemonFC[m]Well, the issue at hand here is that many of the swing states that he needs to win are not exactly taking the steps he wants to discourage voter turnout.Jun 16 22:05
DaemonFC[m]Shit, not even Indiana is listening to him.Jun 16 22:05
XRevan86So I really want this to be a globally recognised issue – that this simple kind of voting when just getting more points than the opponents individually is inherently undemocratic.Jun 16 22:05
DaemonFC[m]They changed the law to allow no excuse mail voting and extended early voting.Jun 16 22:05
DaemonFC[m]So far, about 33 states have expanded voting in a meaningful way.Jun 16 22:06
DaemonFC[m]I don't see this whole campaign to sabotage vote-by-mail being incredibly effective given that states can do almost anything they want.Jun 16 22:06
XRevan86Because democracy should be about pluralism and rotation of power, not about rewarding those who will vote for the current guy regardless.Jun 16 22:07
DaemonFC[m]Also, even if he wins a lawsuit or two, he won't win them all, and there's $15 million in campaign money that he couldn't be spending on something else.Jun 16 22:07
MinceRi just want an army with which i can defend myself against the biggest criminals on this planet: governments and megacorporations.Jun 16 22:07
DaemonFC[m]Even rich campaign donors are starting to clamp up.Jun 16 22:07
DaemonFC[m]Some of Trump's biggest donors are in bankruptcy right now.Jun 16 22:07
DaemonFC[m]Including several fossil fuel companies.Jun 16 22:08
DaemonFC[m]Corporations can't donate money to a Republican Super PAC if they are in Chapter 11 bankruptcy.Jun 16 22:08
DaemonFC[m]The Trustee will not allow it.Jun 16 22:08
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I can't donate money to charity at all right now.Jun 16 22:09
DaemonFC[m]The bankruptcy forbids it.Jun 16 22:09
DaemonFC[m]I also can't give money to a political campaign while the bankruptcy is open.Jun 16 22:09
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Can you throw it in a bin in cash?Jun 16 22:10
MinceR:>Jun 16 22:10
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: August 24th is the deadline for my creditors to object, meaning August 29th is the day the court officially orders the discharge. I swear I didn't do that on purpose.Jun 16 22:10
MinceR:>Jun 16 22:10
DaemonFC[m](August 29th, 1997. The original Judgment Day in the Terminator movies.)Jun 16 22:11
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: A lot of people out there don't seem to know what the word "peak" means.Jun 16 22:19
DaemonFC[m]They were saying everything would be fine in several weeks (back in April) because it would peak.Jun 16 22:19
MinceR:)Jun 16 22:20
DaemonFC[m]I said, "Well, all that means it is kills the next 100,000 slower....".Jun 16 22:20
XRevan86There could be many peaksJun 16 22:20
DaemonFC[m]We're officially 19% of the way into the second 100,000.Jun 16 22:20
DaemonFC[m]It took 3 weeks to get from 100,000 to 119,000.Jun 16 22:21
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DaemonFC[m]So while 200,000 might not happen by October 1st, it almost certain happens sometime in October.Jun 16 22:22
DaemonFC[m]That's barring another wave.Jun 16 22:22
DaemonFC[m]To get to 200,000 by election day, that would assume average daily deaths of 578 from here on out.Jun 16 22:24
DaemonFC[m]It looks like things are getting extremely bad in Arizona and Florida.Jun 16 22:26
DaemonFC[m]Two states have 1/4 of all confirmed cases today so far with 8.3% of the national population.Jun 16 22:28
DaemonFC[m]Eek.Jun 16 22:28
DaemonFC[m]18,675 dead in Florida of COVID-19 by October 1st is the IMHE's model figure for that state.Jun 16 22:29
DaemonFC[m]Trump's margin in 2016 was like 26,000 votes.Jun 16 22:30
DaemonFC[m]It's down there killing a bunch of old people in Florida and he wants to have rallies and the RNC Florida.Jun 16 22:30
DaemonFC[m]The public doesn't want mass gatherings, but the Republican Party in Florida has state and local elections on off years when Democrats don't turn out to vote.Jun 16 22:31
DaemonFC[m]So they manage to remain entirely under Republican control (except the commissioner of Agriculture).Jun 16 22:31
DaemonFC[m]So now they're stuck dealing with state leadership that will do anything Trump tells them to do.Jun 16 22:32
DaemonFC[m]That's also why Florida never bothered to have a lockdown "Until Trump said it was okay.", according to their governor, who apparently doesn't realize he's the governor.Jun 16 22:32
DaemonFC[m]Then as soon as Trump said "reopen America again!", Florida threw the doors open and ended the lockdown and told Disney World they could open up.Jun 16 22:33
DaemonFC[m]That's why they're having nearly 3,000 new cases a day again and nobody is doing anything about it.Jun 16 22:33
DaemonFC[m]If this pattern keeps going, there could be 30,000 people dead of this in Florida by October. Not 18,675.Jun 16 22:34
DaemonFC[m]There are large swaths of the south that are having local outbreaks worse than the one New York City had, per capita.Jun 16 22:35
DaemonFC[m]Meanwhile, the Republican crank over in Indiana suggested that NYC got so bad because people take the mass transit.Jun 16 22:35
DaemonFC[m]Which I'm sure there's a lot of in rural Georgia.Jun 16 22:35
DaemonFC[m];)Jun 16 22:35
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I got my Amazon S&S drop shipment today.Jun 16 22:36
MinceRdid you get your used condoms?Jun 16 22:36
DaemonFC[m]They totally ignored my delivery instructions again, but at least they left $140 worth of provisions laying outside the correct motel room door this time.Jun 16 22:37
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: No, I just threw them in a regular order.Jun 16 22:37
DaemonFC[m]It sucks being in a mixed relationship like that.Jun 16 22:38
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DaemonFC[m]The medication for me is purely to prevent, but it's making my hair fall out and the fucking idiots at the Health Dept and the lab can't be bothered to bill my insurance correctly.Jun 16 22:39
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: So rather that stand there arguing with said fucking idiots about it, I just added another $800 to the bankruptcy and filed against Quest Diagnostics and the county.Jun 16 22:40
DaemonFC[m]Since they can't be bothered to bill my insurance correctly there is no reason why I should pay them, at least not in my book, and I was filing bankruptcy anyway.Jun 16 22:40
DaemonFC[m]So it's easier to get the court to void the bills than it is to make some paper pushers do their job and get their employer paid.Jun 16 22:41
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: This bankruptcy is bigger and bigger.Jun 16 22:41
DaemonFC[m]The upside is fuck everyone I owed money to before the end of May 2020.Jun 16 22:42
DaemonFC[m]Including three local governments.Jun 16 22:42
DaemonFC[m]I got a parking ticket before the Kia got taken away and I amended the filing to throw a $20 parking ticket into the bankruptcy.Jun 16 22:43
DaemonFC[m]You have until the Trustee meeting to keep amending it.Jun 16 22:43
MinceR:>Jun 16 22:43
DaemonFC[m]If you do it later, it costs $140 to reopen.Jun 16 22:44
DaemonFC[m]Obviously, you wouldn't pay $140 to reopen the case unless something substantially bigger came in from before the filing date that you didn't know about.Jun 16 22:45
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I threw in parking tickets from Indiana in 2004 that I never paid, listing Ball State University as the creditor.Jun 16 22:46
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cubexyzthere's a low probability the log file will have the odd binary character so I'm cleaning it and giving it an 'a' suffix Jun 16 23:06
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cubexyzso is the originalJun 16 23:06
cubexyzand is the cleaned versionJun 16 23:07
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*XRevan86 finds it funny that *both* Esperanto and Interlingua have Slavic counterparts: Slavio and Interslavic respectively.Jun 16 23:26
MinceREsperanto needed a Slavic counterpart?Jun 16 23:27
XRevan86MinceR: It's not that it needed it, it has one.Jun 16 23:27
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MinceR:>Jun 16 23:28
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schestowitzcubexyz: thanks, good to have those for backupJun 16 23:31
schestowitzI generate them after midnight each day and upload themJun 16 23:31
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XRevan86MinceR: I don't think that's what is happening.Jun 16 23:38
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XRevan86Though maybe to a degree. This needs consideration, it explains some stuff.Jun 16 23:39
MinceRit might be what already happenedJun 16 23:39
XRevan86MinceR: I mean as a process. So ongoing. Even if it gave fruit already.Jun 16 23:40
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XRevan86MinceR: I think a major thing is controversy-driven polarisation.Jun 16 23:42
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XRevan86A lot of actions people on social media take are chosen to not leave anyone indifferent – either you hate the action or you hate actions of those who hate the action, settling in two camps that hate each other.Jun 16 23:47
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DaemonFC[m]Because the minimum wage is too low.Jun 16 23:47
DaemonFC[m]Social Security should just be funded directly through a tax on corporate profits, which would remove a perverse incentive to hire as few people as possible.Jun 16 23:47
DaemonFC[m]What we've got going on right now is that Congress is deadlocked and not bringing the laws into sync  with what the majority of the public agrees with, and Trump is an old fossil who is sundowning and falling down ramps that people dug up because they're idiots who hate Mexicans.Jun 16 23:47
DaemonFC[m]This is what happens. This is pretty much a national version of the mess that happened in Illinois when the state government broke down and ended up running on court rulings.Jun 16 23:47
DaemonFC[m]The Civil Rights Act should have been amended with ENDA 10 years ago. Instead, we have a court ruling that interprets a law from 1964.Jun 16 23:47
DaemonFC[m]ENDA isn't even that controversial.Jun 16 23:47
DaemonFC[m]74% of self-identified Republicans in a Gallup poll said they don't think your employer should be allowed to fire you because you're gay.Jun 16 23:47
DaemonFC[m]83% of the people polled overall said that.Jun 16 23:47
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DaemonFC[m]The Republican politicians are fairly out of step with what the majority of their own voters think about social issues.Jun 16 23:48
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: I wonder how many of those (83-74) % are libertarians who think the employer must have the right to do whatever.Jun 16 23:49
DaemonFC[m]I don't even know how you explain the nearly 100% resistance to gay rights in the Republican Party when only 26% of their own base opposes it.Jun 16 23:49
DaemonFC[m]Well, the opposition to ENDA and the court decision was only 17%.Jun 16 23:50
DaemonFC[m]The Libertarian Party has gotten that percentage of the vote in a statewide race in Indiana that year Dick Lugar ran without a Democratic challenger.Jun 16 23:51
DaemonFC[m]When both major parties are on the ballot, the Libertarian vote falls to about 1-2%.Jun 16 23:51
DaemonFC[m]Presidential popular vote, so they never get an electoral vote, unless you count that Faithless Elector in the 70s.Jun 16 23:52
DaemonFC[m]Generally if you include the Libertarian in the polls, 5-8% say they'll vote for him and 1-2% end up doing it on election day.Jun 16 23:52
DaemonFC[m]So asking about the Libertarian is just a good way to instantly ruin your poll.Jun 16 23:52
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: What does the Libertarian Party trying to sell that the Republicans don't?Jun 16 23:53
MinceRlibertarianismJun 16 23:53
MinceRin the sense that has something to do with freedomJun 16 23:53
DaemonFC[m]That the government should be small and quit fucking with people.Jun 16 23:53
DaemonFC[m]Which is something neither of the big parties want.Jun 16 23:53
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Trump tried to simplify taxation with a similar logic, seems like normal tea party stuff to me.Jun 16 23:54
DaemonFC[m]They see the role of government as courts that enforce contracts and a military that's big enough for self defense, and criminal laws that punish crimes that actually have a victim.Jun 16 23:54
DaemonFC[m]So naturally, people say that's insane.Jun 16 23:55
DaemonFC[m]Trump did not simplify taxes, and most of the middle class got absolutely screwed.Jun 16 23:55
XRevan86MinceR: Freedom to fire people for being gay, we've established that already.Jun 16 23:55
MinceRfreedom to punish businesses/people that fire people for being gay would be niceJun 16 23:56
DaemonFC[m]Which is why the suburbs kicked their Republican congressman out in 2018.Jun 16 23:56
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: So the difference is that the Libertarians want to *actually* do it?Jun 16 23:56
DaemonFC[m]The SALT cap instantly undid any sort of tax cut that most middle class families got.Jun 16 23:56
DaemonFC[m]It didn't only hit blue states.Jun 16 23:56
DaemonFC[m]Iowa, Texas, and several others have high property taxes that now have their federal deduction capped at $10,000.Jun 16 23:56
XRevan86MinceR: By lynching? That's more into the anarchocapitalist area.Jun 16 23:57
DaemonFC[m]That's $10,000 total that you owe the state or local government in any kind of tax.Jun 16 23:57
DaemonFC[m]So in Illinois, the state runs off with 5% of your income right off the bat.Jun 16 23:57
DaemonFC[m]Then it sticks you with a 10.25% sales tax, all kinds of cell phone taxes and gotcha taxes and then your $12,000 property tax bill comes in.Jun 16 23:58
DaemonFC[m]People who could just itemize everything and deduct it at the end of the year have a cap now.Jun 16 23:58
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Simplification of taxation is like replacing glibc with muslJun 16 23:58
XRevan86It won't necessarily make anything faster.Jun 16 23:58
MinceRXRevan86: i wish it wasJun 16 23:58
DaemonFC[m]Worse, the personal exemption on the federal taxes was ended.Jun 16 23:58
MinceRthe "anarcho-capitalists" i know are fascist copsuckersJun 16 23:59
DaemonFC[m]It's part of how they "doubled " the standard deduction when it really didn't double.Jun 16 23:59

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