●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 ●● ● Jun 16 [00:00] DaemonFC That's what Bill meant when he said people need to be "nudged". Just drive the price of the real stuff up so high somehow that all people can afford is his crap, which isn't that good, but it's whatever at that point. (To use a John-ism.) [00:01] schestowitz/fn midnight, logging rolls over [00:01] DaemonFC Bill slipped and told the truth about what he thinks about most people when he commented on Beyond Burgers. [00:01] DaemonFC It's not that good, but you'll get used to it. [00:01] schestowitz/fn **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jun 15 23:58:51 2021 [00:02] schestowitz/fn that ought to settle the duplicates in yesterday's log when FN was downtown Beirut [00:02] DaemonFC Freenode has managed to lose over half their peak daily users in a matter of a couple months. [00:03] schestowitz yes, I know [00:03] schestowitz but the issue is, many old settings stopped working [00:03] schestowitz I had to manually change all the clients [00:03] schestowitz next up, rianne's lapto [00:03] schestowitz maybe then viera [00:03] DaemonFC I can see how that would happen, with all of the people knowing how it works leaving. [00:03] MinceR it isn't difficult to lose lots of users with mismanagement like this [00:04] DaemonFC MinceR, I lol'd at IBM's COBOL on Linux. schestowitz linked to it. [00:04] schestowitz MinceR: what MinceR said... (yes, talking about/to oneself) [00:04] DaemonFC There's less people who understand COBOL all the time because they're going to the retirement home and dying. [00:04] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:04] DaemonFC Few people learn it. Pay goes WAY up. [00:04] schestowitz what else would cobol stuff be deployed on, windows? [00:04] DaemonFC COBOL on WSL2? [00:04] schestowitz wsl2 is shit and dying [00:05] schestowitz they still infuse funds into it [00:05] schestowitz like all of a sudden after 4-5 years it'll take off [00:05] schestowitz just add a "g" to WSL [00:05] DaemonFC If people aren't using it now, they're not going to. [00:06] DaemonFC It would help a lot if Microsoft was interested in cleaning up this Windows mess so the host operating system wouldn't drag things down so much. But that won't happen. [00:08] activelow the entire "desktop" system scenario is outdated already, and artificially kept alive by aggressive marketing habbits only [00:09] activelow nowadas a handful of tiny low-power SBCs suffices already for full system-integration from source for an entire linux distro [00:09] activelow *nowadays [00:09] schestowitz OK, rianne's laptop is back on FN too [00:09] DaemonFC The whole thing keeping Windows and Intel going over the years is Microsoft agrees to make Windows slower and fatter, and Intel agrees to pretty much give them whatever they want on the hardware side. [00:09] schestowitz had reconfigure [00:09] schestowitz both DNS and port number [00:09] schestowitz you can tell FN insiders have NO CLUE how their network words [00:09] schestowitz DNS etc.. [00:10] schestowitz the 'newbs' will NOT know how to get back in [00:10] DaemonFC The reason why Windows on ARM will ultimately fail even if they had perfect compatibility is that ARM chips are just nowhere near as fast as Intel's. [00:10] schestowitz last night the FN channel of ours had about 84 users online [00:10] schestowitz right now about 53 [00:10] DaemonFC The only reason why it compares well on a Mac is you're comparing a jump from mid-grade Intel stuff that was several years outdated and running at low clock rates to avoid fan noise to the M1. [00:10] schestowitz in 24 hours [00:11] schestowitz I joked about people hopping from FN to LC losing maybe half their users [00:11] schestowitz but now moving from FN to FN is the same [00:11] DaemonFC The M1 is not a particularly good processor architecture. The whole benefit goes to Apple in being that it's cheap. [00:11] DaemonFC They already have an ARM license due to the iPhone. [00:11] schestowitz and you don't get to opt out, they did not even announced this [00:11] schestowitz *announce [00:19] *psymin (~psymin@xqn5f4vm4nzg6.irc) has joined #techrights [00:26] sebsebseb MinceR: Windows 10 you didn't make it good enough https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-57443598 [00:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils - BBC News [00:26] MinceR remember when 10 was the last version of windows ever? [00:26] sebsebseb MinceR: yep that's what it mentions in that article too [00:27] sebsebseb how aprapntly it was going to be the last version [00:27] sebsebseb maybe it will be a new OS as in not Windows next basically [00:27] MinceR rHELL becomes windows 11? [00:30] activelow microsoft managed to retain their vendor lock-in monopol with microsoft teams (skype), and anything which can launch it [00:31] activelow which means at least specific web-browsers will be required and at that front situation is scary too [00:33] DaemonFC So much for Six Flags. [00:33] DaemonFC It's so ghetto that they couldn't manage to be fully open for an entire day before a riot broke out. [00:33] schestowitz sebsebseb: BillBC shilling Microsoft vapourware [00:33] schestowitz with 'former' Microsoft UK staff in management there it doesn't even cost them anything [00:33] schestowitz infiltrated media [00:34] activelow reviewed the dependency trees of latest browsers, with mozilla rust/llvm are problematic, with webkit (epiphany) dbus is entangled, and all other options lock-out users from any typical online web service (youtube, teams, online newspapers which heavily rely on specific features) [00:34] DaemonFC "Crowds, long lines, lack of staff, closed rides" and then a wind storm knocked some stuff over and a fight broke out, so they closed the park. [00:34] DaemonFC Wow, that sounds like a good way to spend a lot of money. [00:35] activelow with a web-browser such as lynx/elinks/netsurf-gtk free and opensource is effectively excluded from what is commonly known as "web" entirely [00:35] DaemonFC What might be more amusing is that this is actually the "normal" they promised would return if we all got vaccinated. Lots of traffic and smog, and remembering why we all hate vacations and do it anyway. [00:36] techrights-bot/fn Dont Like #Firefox s New Look? Try These Tweaks https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/06/dont-like-firefoxs-new-look-try-one-of-these-tweaks #mozilla [00:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | Don't Like Firefox's New Look? Try These Tweaks - OMG! Ubuntu! [00:37] techrights-bot/fn Listen to #LibrePlanet 2021 audio in your podcast app! https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/listen-to-libreplanet-2021-audio-in-your-podcast-app #fsf #gnu [00:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | Listen to LibrePlanet 2021 audio in your podcast app! Free Software Foundation Working together for free software [00:37] sebsebseb schestowitz: yep BBC like WIndows and Microsoft [00:38] techrights-bot/fn #fsf unhappy with #freenode despite its owner being the biggest financial contributor to FSF last year. That really says how badly FN is messing things up. https://www.fsf.org/news/update-to-the-fsf-and-gnus-plan-to-move-irc-channels-to-libera.chat [00:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | Update to the FSF and GNU's plan to move IRC channels to Libera.Chat Free Software Foundation Working together for free software [00:39] techrights-bot/fn #ibm #fedora : "We're updating copr packages to the new versions which will bring new features and bugfixes. This outage impacts the copr-frontend and the copr-backend" [00:40] techrights-bot/fn #Freenode Is IRC; As In "Dumbest Takeover In History" https://fosspost.org/freenode-is-irc-as-in-dumbest-takeover-in-history/ [00:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fosspost.org | Freenode Is IRC; As In "Dumbest Takeover In History" [00:42] techrights-bot/fn #Mozilla joins call for fifth #FCC Commissioner appointment https://blog.mozilla.org/netpolicy/2021/06/15/mozilla-joins-call-for-fifth-fcc-commissioner-appointment/ [00:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Mozilla joins call for fifth FCC Commissioner appointment - Open Policy & Advocacy [00:46] techrights-bot/fn #microsoftTim : "Norbert Preining, the maintainer of the Cinnamon desktop packages for Debian is quitting as he no longer uses it - though others have volunteered to take his place." https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/15/debian_cinnamon_maintainer_quits/ [00:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Debian's Cinnamon desktop maintainer quits because he thinks KDE is better now The Register [00:47] techrights-bot/fn " #WordPress 5.8 Beta 2 is now available for testing! This software is still in development, so its not recommended to run this version on a production site. Consider setting up a test site to play with it." https://wordpress.org/news/2021/06/wordpress-5-8-beta-2/ [00:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-News WordPress 5.8 Beta 2 WordPress.org [00:47] saint_dogbert/fn As a 16 year user of KDE, I have to say; kde4/5 leaves a lot to be desired IMO. I still prefer KDE3 over the new stuff. But I find that Trinity is lacking [00:48] schestowitz which build/distro? [00:48] schestowitz kde plasma 5.? [00:50] saint_dogbert/fn Gentoo and 5.2X [00:50] activelow are you referring to qt4/5 widget toolkit or the entire desktop environment? [00:50] techrights-bot/fn The #freenode #kiwiIRC instance has not been working for at least half a day now. I wonder if they're even aware of it. http://techrights.org/irc-channel/ [00:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Channels | Techrights [00:50] saint_dogbert/fn the whole kit and kabootle [00:50] schestowitz my wife and I use kde 5.2x on Debian 10 and it works well [00:51] schestowitz some plasma memory leaks, but nothing too bad [00:52] activelow both kde5 and latest gnome desktops have the same problem: regular system authentication hooked by dbus/polkit [00:53] techrights-bot/fn Alpine 3.14.0 released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152322#comment-29958 [00:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security-Oriented Alpine Linux 3.14 Released with KDE Plasma 5.22, QEMU 6.0, and More | Tux Machines [00:53] saint_dogbert/fn Oh, I'm not saying its bad, just that its lacking in some areas. They need to lock it down and do nothing but bug fixes for a few releases. Bringing back the opengl kwin backend wouldn't hurt either [00:53] activelow https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/11/linux_polkit_package_patched/ [00:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Seven-year-old make-me-root bug in Linux service polkit patched The Register [00:53] schestowitz systemd and Mcirosoft calling it "Linux" [00:54] saint_dogbert/fn lol [00:54] activelow to my knowledge torvalds didn't accept kdbus yet [00:55] techrights-bot/fn #ActivityWatch is a Free Personal Activity Tracker with Focus on Privacy https://linuxiac.com/activitywatch/ #linuxiac | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/16/#latest [00:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxiac.com | ActivityWatch is a Free Personal Activity Tracker with Focus on Privacy [00:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [00:58] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 36.26 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 36.00 [00:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 36.26 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 36.00 ● Jun 16 [01:01] techrights-bot/fn "Are you looking for #freesw survey management solutions? Here we have collected the best free Free software survey tools that you can download, install and setup on your own server." https://medevel.com/open-source-survey-tools-2/ [01:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-medevel.com | Best 10 Open-source Survey collection self-hosted tools [01:02] *stormchaser3000 (~iansutter@9gqzw845fmyjs.irc) has joined #techrights [01:04] techrights-bot/fn "In my talk at The #Perl and #RakuLang Conference in the Cloud 2021, I already announced it. I'm doing the release of the Perl developer version 5.35.1" http://blogs.perl.org/users/max_maischein/2021/06/live-streaming-the-release-of-perl-5351.html [01:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Live streaming the release of Perl 5.35.1 | Max Maischein [blogs.perl.org] [01:04] stormchaser3000 https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/slackware-related-irc-channels-4175696409/ [01:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxquestions.org | Slackware-related IRC Channels [01:04] stormchaser3000 it seems that the slackware core team was k-lined from Freenode by phanes over their history [01:05] stormchaser3000 that is rather unfortunate because the Slackware community was the one reason I remained on Freenode [01:05] schestowitz I think I heard about one person [01:05] schestowitz not the whole team [01:05] stormchaser3000 now they are gone I have no reason to maintain a presence [01:05] schestowitz stormchaser3000: it's why Ariadne came to IRC [01:05] schestowitz based on her story [01:06] stormchaser3000 looks like Tadgy, rworkman, and alienBOB were all k-lined [01:06] stormchaser3000 tadgy ran slackware.uk [01:06] stormchaser3000 rworkman ran ##slackware on freenode [01:06] stormchaser3000 and alienBOB is close to vokerding [01:06] stormchaser3000 volkerding* [01:06] schestowitz wow, really awful [01:07] stormchaser3000 also looks like the developers of Slackware ARM and the SARPi installer were k-lined [01:07] stormchaser3000 (SARPi stands for Slackware ARM on Raspberry Pi) [01:07] stormchaser3000 probably by phanes as well [01:07] schestowitz "My first experience with IRC was in 1999. I was in middle school, and a friend of mine ordered a Slackware CD from Walnut Creek CDROM. This was Slackware 3.4, and contained the GNOME 1.x desktop environment on the disc, which came with the BitchX IRC client." [01:07] schestowitz https://ariadne.space/2021/06/14/the-end-of-freenode/ [01:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ariadne.space | the end of freenode Ariadne's Space [01:09] techrights-bot/fn #LinuxMint 20.2 is now in beta. #gnu #linux [01:09] schestowitz I spent AT LEAST 5 hours today on IRC nonsense [01:09] schestowitz I could write many articles instead, as I had originally planned [01:09] schestowitz and I lost time yesterday [01:09] schestowitz other people did not lose as much time, and that does not take into account the long-term costs [01:10] schestowitz but having run these channels for over a decade I'm the one having to do the most work to keep things in order, to the degree possible [01:10] schestowitz I still didn't change all the code accordingly [01:10] stormchaser3000 yeah... this situation is a mess [01:10] schestowitz a mess for freesw projects [01:10] schestowitz and communities [01:10] schestowitz hard to coordinate coding, concentrate etc. [01:11] stormchaser3000 I would run an IRC network myself, but I don't have the funding or experience with running such a system [01:11] schestowitz it also slows down the news in general [01:11] schestowitz stormchaser3000: stay here for now, maybe we'll add channels [01:12] schestowitz at least people and projects generally know where we stand on things/issues [01:12] stormchaser3000 ugh... I accidentally used my password as my email when trying to register with nickserv [01:12] stormchaser3000 this is why I should have run /msg nickserv help register @.@ [01:13] *stormchaser3000 has quit (You are no longer authorized to be on this server) [01:13] *stormchaser3000_ (~iansutter@9gqzw845fmyjs.irc) has joined #techrights [01:14] stormchaser3000_ oh well... I might as well use my other username anyways [01:14] *stormchaser3000_ is now known as stormyknight3000 [01:15] techrights-bot/fn #Jetson AGX Xavier Industrial adds ruggedization and FuSa cores http://www.tuxmachines.org/comment/reply/152328 #nvidia [01:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Graphics: GravityMark, Mesa, and NVIDIA's Jetson AGX Xavier Industrial Module | Tux Machines [01:15] stormyknight3000 there we go [01:15] techrights-bot/fn Software: Surveys, ActivityWatch, Kubernetes, PingMe and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152329 [01:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Software: Surveys, ActivityWatch, Kubernetes, PingMe and More | Tux Machines [01:15] DaemonFC I see that mirc registration doesn't work like it used to. [01:15] schestowitz stormyknight3000: thanks, cool [01:15] schestowitz we're all in a sad situation today [01:15] DaemonFC Used to be pay $20 once and all future updates are free. Now you get 3 years. [01:15] schestowitz all ~50k or so freenode users [01:16] schestowitz who could barely even log in today [01:16] schestowitz or lost their username, channels etc. [01:16] schestowitz had to rebuild things from scratch [01:16] schestowitz DaemonFC: : mIRC [01:17] activelow i cannot login anymore, it isn't at least obvious where a password would be sent to with a /msg nickserv drop [01:17] DaemonFC Guess with IRC usage collapsing and all those people out there that frontloaded "free updates forever" registrations....couldn't let this go on. [01:17] DaemonFC Expiring the serials after a few years might buy him some time to live on licensing fees. Probably not much. [01:17] XRevan86 IRC usage's collapsing? [01:18] saint_dogbert/fn it has been with the advent of social media [01:18] schestowitz social CONTROL media ^_^ [01:18] schestowitz freenode is also becoming about social control [01:18] DaemonFC "Today, the top 100 IRC networks have around 370k users connected at peak hours." [01:18] DaemonFC It was about 10 million or so in 2003. [01:18] schestowitz based on what happened in #fsf on Sunday and in #slackware before that [01:19] activelow 30k participants on libera isn't many, and those 60k on whichever freenode isn't neither [01:19] schestowitz DaemonFC: yes, 10 million says wikipedia [01:19] schestowitz we need many more networks [01:19] schestowitz many thousands [01:19] schestowitz bandwidth is cheap now [01:19] schestowitz bridges can help [01:19] saint_dogbert/fn we need FB and Shitter to implode [01:20] schestowitz that too [01:20] DaemonFC 370,000 in the entire world is kind of a drop. Can't have people using software that doesn't take 800 MB to load a chat tab, I guess. [01:21] saint_dogbert/fn something [01:22] activelow discord alone reported 10million daily [01:22] saint_dogbert/fn and shows like Numbers and NCIS trashing IRC only instills fear [01:22] saint_dogbert/fn 'IRC is where hackers and outlaws go to plan crimes' [01:22] saint_dogbert/fn or whatever [01:23] schestowitz telenet also [01:23] schestowitz ola bini was arrested for - gasp - using talnet [01:23] schestowitz it's not even secure *telnet [01:23] schestowitz I misspelled it twice [01:23] schestowitz imagine the horrors of bbs [01:24] saint_dogbert/fn lol [01:24] techrights-bot/fn #Mozilla : Federal Communications Commission (FCC) Lobbying, #Firefox Tweaks and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152330 [01:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mozilla: Federal Communications Commission (FCC) Lobbying, Firefox Tweaks and More | Tux Machines [01:24] activelow wikileaks made a mistake: too many names in public, heroes. rule #1 NO NAMES [01:25] schestowitz they started faceless [01:25] schestowitz around 2009 julian was starting to show himself on TV [01:26] schestowitz there can also be advantages to showing some people [01:26] schestowitz to refute accusations that they're puppets and proxies [01:26] techrights-bot/fn #SUSE / #OpenSUSE : IBM LinuxONE, openSUSE 15.3 Overview and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152331 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SUSE/OpenSUSE: IBM LinuxONE, openSUSE 15.3 Overview and More | Tux Machines [01:26] kingoffrance/fn yeah, "anonymous" stuff right or wrong, people will just dismiss [01:27] kingoffrance/fn it will be a smear in and of itself for some ppl [01:27] schestowitz character assassination in absentia [01:27] schestowitz "they're just a front of the KGB...!" [01:28] techrights-bot/fn KDE's Nate Graham: Bug triaging is the foundation of quality and we need more of it https://pointieststick.com/2021/06/15/bug-triaging-is-the-foundation-of-quality-and-we-need-more-of-it/ #kde #gnu #linux [01:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pointieststick.com | Bug triaging is the foundation of quality and we need more of it Adventures in Linux and KDE [01:29] techrights-bot/fn #Akademy 2021 at Home https://ervin.ipsquad.net/blog/2021/06/15/akademy-2021-at-home/ #kde #freesw [01:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ervin.ipsquad.net | Akademy 2021 at Home - ervin [01:29] kingoffrance/fn well i can get ppl wish to remain anonymous, but you will be smeared no matter what you do if it upsets someone [01:29] kingoffrance/fn they'll smear you for being anonymous and if not, theyll smear you as "xyz-ism" [01:30] kingoffrance/fn i.e. thats just liek your opinion man [01:30] kingoffrance/fn there is no truth only personas more identity / formalism [01:31] DaemonFC Windows used to have a Telnet client. HyperTerminal. [01:31] DaemonFC Adware even used it. [01:32] DaemonFC There was an adware program called Timesink AdBot produced by a company called Conducent. If you blocked it from connecting to the web server, it would start spamming requests like 10,000 times a second and causing the computer to start freezing up. [01:32] DaemonFC Eventually it gave up and used Telnet. [01:33] techrights-bot/fn " #Pine64 has launched a Quartz64 model-A SBC for $60 (4GB) or $80 (8GB). Upcoming projects include a SOQuartz module that runs Linux on the same #Rockchip RK3566 and a PineDio LoRa gateway." http://linuxgizmos.com/quartz64-sbc-starts-at-60-and-pine64-unveils-soquartz-module-with-same-rk3566/ [01:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 520 @ http://linuxgizmos.com/quartz64-sbc-starts-at-60-and-pine64-unveils-soquartz-module-with-same-rk3566/ ) [01:33] activelow interesting [01:34] DaemonFC The AdBot cloaked itself from the Windows task manager (incredibly easy on Windows 9x) and then prevented the user from removing it unless all software that was supported by its ads was removed first. [01:34] DaemonFC It would actually notice that the software was all gone and remove itself. [01:35] activelow the pine64 products are neat, have ported my system to those. clean u-boot support, blobless. ported some gentoo things to pine64 devices. lots of cleanup to do. [01:35] techrights-bot/fn #KDE : Akademy, Bug Triaging, Packaging Work by Norbert Preining, and Krita on Simplifying Grammar Checks for Manual http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152332 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE: Akademy, Bug Triaging, Packaging Work by Norbert Preining, and Krita on Simplifying Grammar Checks for Manual | Tux Machines [01:35] *stormyknight3000 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [01:36] activelow a problem these rockhip devices have could be some undocumented/"reserved" memory regions, allthough i am not paranoid about them [01:36] techrights-bot/fn "Byzantium continues to march closer to its release for the #Librem5 with UI changes and new apps being worked on." https://puri.sm/posts/pureos-10-byzantium-snapshot-june-2021/ #Pureos #gnu #linux [01:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-puri.sm | Pureos 10 (Byzantium) Snapshot: June 2021 Purism [01:37] techrights-bot/fn What Earth Mars and Venus Planets Looked Like 3.8 (4) Billion Years Ago https://dwaves.de/2021/06/16/what-earth-mars-and-venus-planets-looked-like-3-8-4-billion-years-ago/ #science [01:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- What Earth Mars and Venus Planets Looked Like 3.8 (4) Billion Years Ago | dwaves.de [01:38] techrights-bot/fn "Services like Nitter, Bibliogram, Open Street Maps and the countless private search engines are great but if you interact with normal people you will always end up on the original site as someone will send you a link, how about we fix that by just redirecting to where we want to go." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQU-Hq5MnOE [01:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Privacy Redirect To A More Friendly Alternative - YouTube [01:40] techrights-bot/fn Daniel Stenberg: What goes into curl? https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2021/06/16/what-goes-into-curl/ #curl #freesw #deletegithub [01:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-What goes into curl? | daniel.haxx.se [01:40] phobos/fn nothing pleasant ;) [01:42] schestowitz https://lwn.net/Articles/859599/rss [01:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://lwn.net/Articles/859599/rss ) [01:42] schestowitz paywall [01:43] schestowitz Audacity gets a CLA [01:43] schestowitz "The Audacity multi-track audio editor and recorder got its start in the previous century; it is a popular application that is available for multiple platforms, and it is licensed under the GPLv2 or later. But Audacity has been acquired by a newly formed organization called Muse Group; that event has caused something of an uproar in its community. The problem, at least in part, is the new Contributor License Agreement (CLA) required to contribute [01:43] schestowitz to Audacity. " [01:44] kingoffrance/fn eh, kind of seems silly phrasing. theres no obligation anyone "merge" "mainline" any code, from anyone, ever. "contribute" takes 2 to tango [01:44] XRevan86 I don't think freenode will be able to surpass 30K users [01:44] kingoffrance/fn i mean, you already have a right to give anyone patch. they have zero obligation to accept [01:45] kingoffrance/fn "license agreement" seems silly. the main thign is make sure you didnt steal code, you actually have rights to contribute it, etc [01:46] techrights-bot/fn #Intel Xe Graphics Squeeze Out More Linux Performance By Flushing Less http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152333 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Intel Xe Graphics Squeeze Out More Linux Performance By Flushing Less | Tux Machines [01:46] kingoffrance/fn i dont see how that is "licensing" that is simply identification of who you are, where the code came from [01:48] DaemonFC They got trademarks on it. [01:48] XRevan86 Right now freenode has 26K users [01:48] DaemonFC How do you get trademarks on something that's been floating around for 20 years without a trademark? [01:49] XRevan86 Libera has 35.7K [01:49] kingoffrance/fn yes and yes. i just mean whether they take your code or not, is up to them in any case. [01:49] CrystalMath XRevan86: i guess we figure this will get them to leave us alone :P [01:49] kingoffrance/fn theres no "right" to "contribute" even with a license [01:49] CrystalMath let freenode exist [01:50] CrystalMath let people stay on freenode [01:50] techrights-bot/fn #Systemd 249-rc1 Released With Many New Features http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152334 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Systemd 249-rc1 Released With Many New Features | Tux Machines [01:50] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Now that there are no FOSS projects on freenode, it exists in a different realm than Libera now. [01:50] schestowitz XRevan86: even fewer is you count only registered accounts [01:51] kingoffrance/fn i know, its just legal talk, i just feel is stretched [01:51] schestowitz as they counted again from 0 earlier today [01:51] XRevan86 schestowitz: That number is not representative yet. [01:51] XRevan86 not everyone caught up and re-registered [01:51] DaemonFC https://www.seamonkey-project.org/news [01:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.seamonkey-project.org | SeaMonkey News [01:51] DaemonFC They attacked SeaMonkey too. [01:51] techrights-bot/fn Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152335 [01:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [01:52] schestowitz XRevan86: many clients cannot connect [01:52] schestowitz I spent a total of 1-2 hours today just reconnected and reconnecting [01:52] schestowitz it's going to require many people to changing settings on their machines [01:52] schestowitz *to change [01:53] XRevan86 schestowitz: possibly, although I think this has mostly been fixed [01:53] DaemonFC SeaMonkey isn't very relevant these days I guess. [01:53] schestowitz no, it has not [01:53] schestowitz some aliases do not work [01:53] schestowitz and I could not connect with ssl turned on [01:53] CrystalMath i use seamonkey [01:53] XRevan86 DaemonFC: Who did? The inspircd migration? [01:53] schestowitz on almost anything [01:53] XRevan86 schestowitz: Indeed, the bridge is connect with clear text. [01:54] XRevan86 * connected [01:54] DaemonFC Most people don't write or debug web pages, nor would they have any use for ChatZilla, USENET is hardly used because it's not included with your internet subscription anymore, and most email is spam. [01:54] activelow DaemonFC: i am using seamonkey, an old version of it, which mozilla license would deny me to distribute it [01:54] schestowitz this whole thing was just "FUCK IT, WE'LL DO IT LIVE!!" [01:54] schestowitz (Oreilly) [01:54] XRevan86 but right now it worked fine, I fetched the motd with TLS [01:54] DaemonFC Freenode managed to knock anyone who was on the fence off of the fence by launching unprovoked attacks against various rooms. [01:55] DaemonFC Leaving them to go to Libera Chat regardless. [01:55] DaemonFC Why does Andrew Lee even want Freenode if he's going to do this? [01:55] XRevan86 DaemonFC: This wasn't an attack in the sense as like when the channels were taken over a few weeks ago. [01:55] XRevan86 It was a wipe that left SeaMonkey's IRC presence in a state where they may as well just ditch freenode. [01:56] activelow i remain sceptical about the public stories told [01:57] activelow for example in year 2018 already freenode.org website announced an "elasticsearch expert" as "part of infrastructure" was involved [01:57] XRevan86 Ereyesterday a person came to a freenode room and wrote "Libera", they wanted to test if that would get the room in trouble. [01:58] XRevan86 weird rumours do float around [01:58] activelow one resignation letter mentioned "to this day messages were not logged" on freenode ... [01:58] activelow nonetheless, elasticsearch, and "private data sold" by some freenode staff [01:58] XRevan86 It's what they call "Chinese whispers" [01:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 22.13 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 19.48 [01:59] XRevan86 or Pavement radio ● Jun 16 [02:00] XRevan86 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/grapevine#English this is perfect [02:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | grapevine - Wiktionary [02:01] XRevan86 So yea, people hear stuff through the grapevine and then spread it around. [02:01] XRevan86 instead of Libera being mentioned in the topic, it's suddenly Libera being mentioned period [02:01] DaemonFC It looks like Chris Pirillo's marriage to "Ponzi" didn't last that long, according to Wikipedia. I remember being on Geekshed IRC back when they were married and he had his livestream running all day. [02:01] DaemonFC He seemed like a control freak to me. [02:03] activelow this isn't gossip: 2017-08-25 https://freenode.net/news/freenode-live-more-speakers "part of the infrastructure team and a Developer Advocate at Elastic, spreading the love and knowledge of full-text search, analytics, and real-time data" [02:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net | freenode #live - even more confirmed speakers - freenode [02:03] activelow and then.. "private data sold" [02:03] XRevan86 activelow: No, I'm talking about a different thing. [02:03] activelow sorry [02:04] CrystalMath how can you stlil accuse Andrew Lee of selling your data when he just deleted all your data? [02:04] XRevan86 :D [02:05] activelow CrystalMath: according to some IRC blather rasengan said he did NOT delete and freenode.classic remained with it [02:05] activelow yet i cannot login there anymore [02:06] CrystalMath yeah it's gone [02:06] CrystalMath freenode classic has no more serices [02:06] CrystalMath *services [02:06] CrystalMath atheme is down [02:06] XRevan86 I do wonder why would an IRC server need OpenSearch [02:10] activelow then some former staff recommended /msg nickserv drop which too was weird [02:10] activelow since this implied some legally relevant consent with what happened during the "transition" [02:11] activelow and potentially exposed a password to some new staff considered "hostile" [02:11] DaemonFC GeekShed has pretty much died. [02:12] DaemonFC The Linux room doesn't even have any mods anymore. [02:16] techrights-bot/fn Links 16/6/2021: #Alpine 3.14.0 and #DXVK 1.9 http://techrights.org/2021/06/15/alpine-3-14-0/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/15/alpine-3-14-0/ [02:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 16/6/2021: Alpine 3.14.0 and DXVK 1.9 | Techrights [02:17] techrights-bot/fn Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152342 [02:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [02:18] techrights-bot/fn #OpenHardware : Arduino, Librem 5, Pine64, and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152341 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open Hardware: Arduino, Librem 5, Pine64, and More | Tux Machines [02:19] techrights-bot/fn LibreOffice: 100 Paper Cuts and Multiple Columns in #LibreOffice Text Boxes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152340 [02:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice: 100 Paper Cuts and Multiple Columns in LibreOffice Text Boxes | Tux Machines [02:19] techrights-bot/fn #WordPress 5.8 Beta 2 and a Milestone for #KiwiTCMS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152339 [02:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | WordPress 5.8 Beta 2 and a Milestone for Kiwi TCMS | Tux Machines [02:19] techrights-bot/fn Listen to #LibrePlanet 2021, #FSF Drops the Mic on #Freenode http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152338 [02:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Listen to LibrePlanet 2021, FSF Drops the Mic on Freenode | Tux Machines [02:20] techrights-bot/fn #Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152337 [02:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [02:20] techrights-bot/fn #Security and #Privacy Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152336 [02:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security and Privacy Leftovers | Tux Machines [02:22] techrights-bot/fn #Freesw scanned by #ProprietarySoftware https://www.streetinsider.com/Business+Wire/Free+Open+Source+UChecker+Made+Available+to+Detect+Vulnerable+Libraries+on+Linux+Servers/18560431.html #streetinsider | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/16/#latest [02:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.streetinsider.com | Free Open Source UChecker Made Available to Detect Vulnerable Libraries on Linux Servers [02:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [02:23] schestowitz OK, up to 60 users now in freenode, 30 in here [02:23] schestowitz maybe freenode is still correcting some dns-level stuff [02:24] XRevan86 Even now absolutely nothing has been announced [02:24] schestowitz yes, I know [02:24] schestowitz truly awful [02:24] XRevan86 but I guess everyone involved already knows? [02:24] schestowitz they harm themselves [02:25] XRevan86 and screaming and running around their rooms making weird gestures with their hands [02:25] schestowitz I think we have things over control again [02:25] schestowitz channels registered and all [02:25] schestowitz and the bots should run ok, though we shall see the latest bugs shortly [02:25] XRevan86 schestowitz: What about tuxmachines, by the way? [02:25] schestowitz tuxmachines stays in freenode [02:26] schestowitz it was never a techrights thing [02:26] XRevan86 That's loyal. [02:27] schestowitz it was never a popular channel anyway [02:27] schestowitz it was introduced because we didn't let new accounts register to comment [02:27] techrights-bot/fn #QOwnNotes 21.6.2 https://www.neowin.net/news/qownnotes-2162/ #freesw [02:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.neowin.net | QOwnNotes 21.6.2 - Neowin [02:29] techrights-bot/fn I thought #gpl guru was #rms https://www.abcmoney.co.uk/2021/06/14/best-gpl-guru-alternative-site-review-for-wp-themes-plugins/ [02:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.abcmoney.co.uk | Best GPL Guru Alternative site review for Wp Themes & Plugins - ABC Money [02:31] schestowitz ok, it's time to merge logs in a 10-min window [02:31] *arbition (~arbition@c9qzztust5hj4.irc) has joined #techrights [02:33] DaemonFC I got a letter from Ball State University campus police. [02:34] DaemonFC They said that they processed the bankruptcy notification and that I no longer owe them for the parking tickets from 2003. :) [02:34] DaemonFC Well that's nice. [02:36] CrystalMath libreboot is officially on freenode [02:36] techrights-bot/fn My TODO.txt archive has just officially exceeded 70,000 lines. [02:36] XRevan86 > libreboot is officially on freenode [02:36] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Among other networks? [02:37] schestowitz yes [02:37] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has joined #techrights [02:37] schestowitz but... [02:37] schestowitz freenode can remain a glue between communities [02:37] AdmFubar https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/microsoft-defender-atp-now-warns-of-jailbroken-iphones-ipads/ [02:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Microsoft Defender ATP now warns of jailbroken iPhones, iPads [02:37] XRevan86 unoccupied has stated that she wants to bridge fn, LC and irc.libreboot.org [02:37] schestowitz if not their home [02:37] schestowitz because many people still remain connected to freenode [02:37] XRevan86 schestowitz: Nah, it definitely won't. [02:37] schestowitz there are several networks [02:38] schestowitz not just LC [02:38] schestowitz freenode is one of several [02:38] unoccupied yo [02:38] schestowitz failing that, there is email [02:38] unoccupied release leah [02:38] unoccupied i want to register the leah nick her [02:38] psymin/fn yikes [02:38] leah/fn here* [02:38] XRevan86 schestowitz: Right, but the place of the network by default is taken by LC. [02:38] XRevan86 schestowitz: That's your glue. [02:38] leah/fn i accidentally registered leah nick on irc.techrights.org [02:38] leah/fn i don't know how, but i did. and i forgot the password [02:39] schestowitz no, it's not for us, as we never had presence there [02:39] leah/fn release it so that i can register it again [02:39] schestowitz and if we did, why not also irc.net [02:39] schestowitz and rizon [02:39] leah/fn Ariadne ^ [02:39] schestowitz and all sorts of bigger networks [02:39] CrystalMath i mean i know projects that are on espernet [02:39] XRevan86 schestowitz: Because they're not the glue. [02:39] CrystalMath you can host your project on any IRC network [02:39] schestowitz anyway, freenode is hassle free for us [02:39] CrystalMath there are EFNet projects [02:39] schestowitz in the sense we were already there [02:40] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:40] CrystalMath schestowitz: right, just took a little help to get everything back to normal [02:40] schestowitz and we don't want to stretch and over-extend [02:40] XRevan86 schestowitz: "freenode can remain a glue between communities" anyway, this will not happen [02:40] XRevan86 for one thing, because it already isn't that [02:40] XRevan86 it cannot remain what it is not [02:40] unoccupied epoxy cures all [02:41] schestowitz unoccupied: you can register another nick [02:41] schestowitz similar to it [02:41] schestowitz like leahrowe [02:41] unoccupied no i already own leah [02:41] unoccupied but i'm locked out because i forgot what password i set [02:41] unoccupied it was me that registered it [02:41] unoccupied i spoke here to Ariadne a few days ago, using that nick [02:42] CrystalMath oh yeah i registered this one [02:42] XRevan86 schestowitz: freenode is much closer to Rizon than Libera [02:42] CrystalMath but i also don't log in heh [02:42] CrystalMath XRevan86: and snoonet maybe (same software!) [02:42] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Yea. I just don't know much about these networks. [02:43] unoccupied i think an ircop can literally do: msg chanserv drop leah [02:43] unoccupied or something [02:43] unoccupied MinceR: ^ [02:45] arbition Hi. I might be a major idler, but I saw you guys talking and your news looks interesting, so I thought I might check it out [02:47] arbition I mean, you guys log publically log though right? Would that perhaps be a better medium rather than me idling in the channel? [02:47] techrights-bot/fn *** *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-150621.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-150621.txt Read the log now... 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[02:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 [02:48] activelow Prince Lee on freenode, and King Lee of ITU-T https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaesub_Lee [02:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Chaesub Lee - Wikipedia [02:49] techrights-bot/fn *** *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-150621.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-150621.txt Read the log now... [02:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 [02:49] XRevan86 unoccupied: Did the config help? :) [02:50] techrights-bot/fn To understand what a complete and utter mess #freenode was yesterday (ripping everything apart on life/productionn system) see http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-150621.html [02:50] techrights-bot/fn *** *** Yesterday's #techbytes IRC logs ready. 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[02:53] arbition (wrt the reuters article) [02:53] schestowitz it would not work [02:53] schestowitz yes, china 'imports' free software [02:53] schestowitz but so do poor amricans [02:53] schestowitz and criminals, and business oligarchs like bezos [02:53] schestowitz so it would miss the point [02:53] schestowitz also, once they have a copy, that's it [02:53] unoccupied XRevan86: ah, did you email it now? [02:53] activelow the china bashing of usa is a distraction [02:53] arbition Of course. But encryption software is still export controlled, and there have been weird cases where it has been enforced [02:54] schestowitz so 'export' cannot be policed, it's not a munition [02:54] XRevan86 unoccupied: I gave you a paste with it instantly o_0 [02:54] arbition I might be going off poor memory of that though [02:54] schestowitz XRevan86: not sure if I asked you before, but was planning to [02:54] activelow what i am trying to say is there is more issues involved behind the scenes than publicly told, and alot more cash too [02:54] schestowitz should we publicise some howto on IRC bridging? [02:54] schestowitz to encourage more people to do such a thing? [02:55] unoccupied XRevan86: sorry, i must have missed it [02:55] unoccupied send me it again, this time i'll save it [02:55] unoccupied ping leah [02:55] unoccupied unoccupied is... my evil nick [02:55] arbition I personally decided to just join here directly. Now that IRC is more a diaspora because of freenode, I'll just join all the networks [02:55] *phebus (~phebus@f95gnd3zj7732.irc) has joined #techrights [02:55] schestowitz arbition: good plan [02:55] XRevan86 schestowitz: There are so many different ways. [02:56] unoccupied i hope an ircop here will release leah for me so i can register it. wasnt to only be here, not freenode, since this self hosted server is the official one for techrights [02:56] schestowitz after yesterday not many people in our freenode channel speak [02:56] schestowitz even if users online are about 60 [02:56] XRevan86 leah: Right, I forgot this actually casts you [02:57] activelow it is noteworthy to that a former researcher of "nextgen networking" and "IPTV" became head of ITU-T in 2015, in parallel to Netflix cash bubble blowing and who might hold stocks and such [02:57] activelow *too [02:57] AdmFubar https://www.darkreading.com/cloud/microsoft-disrupts-large-scale-bec-campaign-across-web-services/d/d-id/1341311 [02:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-beta.darkreading.com | Dark Reading | Security | Protect The Business [02:57] XRevan86 leah: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/ca551afd from June 13th [02:57] schestowitz I think our irc scripts are are set now and should work ok, next we'll see how ipfs copes [02:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paste.debian.net | Debian Pastezone [02:58] MinceR unoccupied: i think i did it [02:58] leah/fn Mincer what is this? [02:58] leah/fn the config [02:58] leah/fn oh [02:58] leah/fn matterbridge config? [02:58] XRevan86 leah: yes [02:58] leah/fn thanks! [02:58] leah/fn this will do nicely. thank you [02:58] XRevan86 MessageLength may need adjusting [02:59] leah/fn mincer, are you an ircop on irc.techrights.org? [02:59] leah/fn yes i have your note about adjusting that [02:59] XRevan86 And since freenode is different now, I may need to recalculate the values for it now. [02:59] leah/fn mincer are you an ircop on irc.techrights.org [02:59] MinceR what is what ● Jun 16 [03:00] leah/fn i fucked up my leah nick on your ircd and now i need it released so i can change nick to it and attempt registration again [03:00] MinceR leah/fn: yes [03:00] MinceR leah/fn: i think i sadrop-ped it [03:00] activelow anyone knows anything how much cash was involved with the freenode domain ownership transfer? [03:00] leah/fn can you drop the leah registration on irc.techrights.org? [03:00] *unoccupied is now known as leah [03:00] leah thanks [03:00] MinceR np [03:00] leah i'll register it now [03:00] XRevan86 activelow: No, that wasn't disclosed. Nor if the domain was even part of the deal. [03:01] *job has quit (connection closed) [03:01] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [03:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 23.26 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 49.68 [03:01] XRevan86 leah: UseRelayMsg is a really cool thing (ye can observe it here), but it only works if the server supports it and if the bridge is op. [03:01] leah what the fuck [03:01] XRevan86 so that's also something to be aware of [03:01] leah same thing happened again [03:01] leah did: [03:02] leah /msg nickserv register password emailaddress [03:02] schestowitz i shuffled around the cronjobs a bit [03:02] leah it says [03:02] schestowitz so recovery worked ok [03:02] leah "account already exists" [03:02] XRevan86 leah: By the way, on the old freenode I observed an interesting thing: instead of registering an account with my password WeeChat registered it with the asterisks as a password. [03:03] XRevan86 In contrast, on Libera it worked fine. [03:03] XRevan86 With the new freenode I didn't even try, I didn't use weechat for registration. [03:03] schestowitz let's see if ipfs does its job correctly........ [03:05] *job (~job@42cscff4sp33s.irc) has joined #techrights [03:05] leah mincer i do this: [03:05] leah well, it says this when i try to register: [03:05] leah 03:04 -- NickServ (NickServ@irc.techrights.org): That nickname is not registered [03:05] leah then when i do nickserv info it says: [03:05] leah NickServ (NickServ@irc.techrights.org): Account already exists [03:06] techrights-ipfs-bot Gemini requests since start of month: 100437 total Total pages: 35870 Active: active (running) since Tue 2021-06-08 16:18:39 BST; 1 weeks 0 days ago [03:06] leah how do i register? [03:06] leah i've made a note of what you said about matterbridge btw, about UseRelayMsg [03:06] MinceR retry [03:06] MinceR i think the nick was dropped but the account remained [03:06] MinceR now i unregistered it [03:07] activelow leah: if you intend to use sasl then activate it before registration [03:07] AdmFubar https://www.fsf.org/news/update-to-the-fsf-and-gnus-plan-to-move-irc-channels-to-libera.chat [03:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | Update to the FSF and GNU's plan to move IRC channels to Libera.Chat Free Software Foundation Working together for free software [03:07] activelow leah: after connecting make sure the desired nickname/username are active [03:07] leah NickServ (NickServ@irc.techrights.org): That account name was registered previously and can't be reused [03:07] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS local node stats (past 23 hours) calculated. TotalIn: 2.2 GB TotalOut: 589 MB [03:07] techrights-ipfs-bot New daily bulletin just generated. It is about to be added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with CID [03:07] techrights-ipfs-bot QmTereeSs2vayhRxEgEKA8eGzkZmqyGmds18oLNaRM5Z9N [03:07] leah MinceR: ^ [03:08] activelow leah: then /msg nickserv register * (depending on wether you want an email provided or not) [03:08] leah getting kinda frustrated. but ok i'll try again [03:08] MinceR lol [03:08] MinceR you need someone who really knows ergo for this [03:09] MinceR for example, Ariadne [03:09] activelow leah: then /msg nickserv cert list -> should show a fingerprint already added [03:09] MinceR maybe the ircd needs to be reconfigured to allow accounts differ from nicks or current nick to differ from registered nick, i don't know [03:09] activelow sadly i made a mistake myself not checking that the correct nick was used when doing this first [03:10] leah fuck [03:10] leah this [03:10] AdmFubar https://www.fsf.org/news/fsf-and-gnu-move-official-irc-channels-to-libera-chat-network [03:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | FSF and GNU move official IRC channels to Libera.Chat network Free Software Foundation Working together for free software [03:10] leah shit [03:10] MinceR or i can try forcing it with saregister [03:10] *leah (~unoccupied@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has left #techrights (WeeChat 2.8) [03:10] sepsinn /em lurks, drunkenly [03:10] leah/fn fix your fucking server lol [03:10] leah/fn i'll just use freenode for now [03:10] MinceR lol [03:10] schestowitz lol [03:10] MinceR i didn't pick this ircd/services [03:10] XRevan86 leah: Sounds like a plan [03:10] activelow anyway, leah: after the registration with sasl succeeded you may need to send this with each connection /msg -_techrights nickserv identify * [03:10] XRevan86 With two steps [03:11] *leah (~unoccupied@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techrights [03:11] leah register me manually [03:11] schestowitz 0/ [03:11] leah then just send me the password [03:11] leah and i'll change it [03:11] MinceR i'll try [03:11] leah thanks [03:11] schestowitz thanks, MinceR [03:11] leah then pm me the password and i'll try to nickserv identify [03:11] leah can just edit the database [03:11] MinceR 16 041149 [techrights] -NickServ(NickServ@irc.techrights.org)- Could not register [03:12] schestowitz I'm sure operators can also drop a user account to free that from the namespace [03:12] MinceR i dropped the nick, i unregistered the account, it still doesn't let me register another account under that name [03:12] leah trouble is, now your ircd says my nick was previously registered and can't be reused [03:12] MinceR ah, i think i need erase [03:13] MinceR no, that's just an alias to unregister [03:13] leah i will make coffee [03:13] schestowitz/fn I just did [03:13] sepsinn coffee? [03:13] schestowitz/fn 2 mins ago [03:13] leah schestowitz yes i notice in your videos that you often are drinking coffee [03:13] baconpowder/fn schestowitz: what is your thoughts on freenode after today? i read your writings on it since the drama started [03:13] schestowitz/fn sometimes tea [03:13] leah in the most recent one i watched, it was the mug with red and white stripes [03:14] MinceR leah: does it let you register now? [03:14] leah you were drinking from that mug [03:14] schestowitz/fn baconpowder: even before it started [03:14] schestowitz/fn May 8th: http://techrights.org/2021/05/08/communication-channels-cancel-mobbed/ [03:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Pro-Software Freedom Advocates and Free/Libre Software Supporters Face Barriers Due to Domination of Communication Channels (Beyond the Media) | Techrights [03:14] sepsinn well, dang.... now the drunk wants coffee... NO FAIR [03:14] baconpowder/fn yea you have had maybe the best view of everything [03:14] leah it now says when i register: [03:14] leah 03:14:30 tr -- | NickServ (NickServ@irc.techrights.org): You're now logged in as leah [03:15] schestowitz/fn those people now co-managed LC [03:15] leah now i will reconnect, and try to auth [03:15] *leah has quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.8) [03:15] *unoccupied (~unoccupied@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techrights [03:15] schestowitz/fn that's partly why I am reluctant to even connect to it. I never did. [03:15] schestowitz/fn *co-manage [03:15] schestowitz/fn in raw IRC I ones names who's who [03:15] *unoccupied is now known as leah [03:15] schestowitz/fn in the old irc staff [03:15] schestowitz/fn some are OK [03:15] leah ah! [03:15] leah ah ha! [03:15] schestowitz/fn some are hostile to RMS proponents [03:15] leah muhahahahaha [03:16] leah so that's how it works [03:16] leah on *this* irc.techrights.org server, i must do: [03:16] sepsinn oh no [03:16] leah /msg nickserv identify leah password [03:16] leah on other networks i change to leah, then do: [03:16] schestowitz/fn they use their control of IRC networks to spy (intel) and ban [03:16] baconpowder/fn yea but what is your current view on frenode? [03:16] leah /msg nickserv identify password [03:16] schestowitz/fn very subtle soft power tool [03:16] schestowitz/fn psy op and cancel [03:16] leah on irc.techrights.org it doesn't let me use the leah nick until i auth [03:16] leah that's nice [03:16] leah on other networks i have to set guard [03:17] schestowitz/fn freenode means well [03:17] baconpowder/fn yea i understand how the commie left work [03:17] schestowitz/fn but [03:17] leah and someone can actually be me for 30 seconds before being kicked [03:17] schestowitz/fn totally not competant [03:17] schestowitz/fn *tent [03:17] leah i'd argue differently schestowitz [03:17] schestowitz/fn maybe with the new ircd it'll be less turbulent as they know how to manage it [03:17] XRevan86 baconpowder: The who left what? [03:17] leah their staff helped me a lot earlier, among all the chaos, to get chans re-registered [03:17] baconpowder/fn yea i think their heart is in the right place [03:17] leah and helped me deal with issues [03:17] leah they responded quickly and got my issues sorted [03:17] baconpowder/fn the communist left, 86 :P [03:17] leah freenode already has like 30k people on it again, in the last 24 hours since the reset [03:18] leah i think freenode will be fin [03:18] schestowitz/fn as for andrew, I spoke a lot to him [03:18] leah efine* [03:18] leah fine* [03:18] schestowitz/fn it was usually him speaking to me [03:18] XRevan86 leah: So they did what they were preparing to do before wiping it? [03:18] schestowitz/fn not me to him [03:18] leah anyway, i won't join #techrights on freenode anymore. you have bridge to freenode [03:18] schestowitz/fn and he means well, though only idiots and charlatans would be willing to work for him [03:18] schestowitz/fn so he is glued to a corner [03:18] leah and i'm authed on irc.techrights.org now. i'll join it here from now on [03:18] baconpowder/fn ic, i appreciated your coverage of it [03:18] schestowitz/fn and hired bad people [03:18] leah MinceR: thank you for your help! [03:18] leah MinceR: there actually wasn't a problem before, it was just a leah error [03:18] MinceR ergo is a really weird ircd [03:18] MinceR np [03:19] leah just me being stupid [03:19] leah i now know how to auth on this server. thanks again for your help [03:19] schestowitz/fn I can show some logs, but would need to redact them [03:19] schestowitz/fn he's no prince [03:19] sepsinn lol [03:19] baconpowder/fn haha no need [03:19] schestowitz/fn just a poor boy who found opportunity and claim of fame [03:19] schestowitz/fn the media uses it now [03:20] activelow the bashing is distraction [03:20] schestowitz/fn he's also not rich [03:20] baconpowder/fn yea they really piled on him reecntly [03:20] schestowitz/fn they usually pick on eskimo etc. [03:20] schestowitz/fn to paint him and the network as some soft of Parler.Chat [03:21] schestowitz/fn *sort [03:21] baconpowder/fn yea, what a joke smear job [03:21] schestowitz/fn the pro-LC or anti-FN trolls contribute to that [03:21] schestowitz/fn because it serves their goals [03:23] schestowitz/fn maybe one day I'll do a long long article about it [03:23] schestowitz/fn now it s TERRIBLE time to do it [03:23] activelow nonetheless i would be curious how much cash was involved with the deals [03:23] schestowitz/fn but I have about 500 lines of notes [03:23] leah schestowitz: i think libera is the bad one here [03:23] schestowitz/fn they're not bad [03:23] leah schestowitz: i came out publicly neutral and i still am publicly neutral, but i'm quickly coming round to freenode's side [03:23] leah i've been giving it thought [03:23] leah and freenode actually didn't do anything wrong [03:24] leah the freenode staff didn't need to leave [03:24] leah they just wanted control [03:24] leah so they made libera [03:24] schestowitz/fn [05:50] I also want to make sure that nobody talks negatively in the end about the former staff either - let's try to make sure that credit is given where its due. [03:24] leah then they accused andrew of a bunch of shit [03:24] schestowitz/fn [05:51] yes, better not to name anybody [03:24] schestowitz/fn [05:51] Absolutely, Tom and I are in discussion despite everything! [03:24] leah and already it's not true [03:24] leah for instance they said andrew would sell user data [03:24] leah well, freenode just nuked their database lol [03:24] schestowitz/fn he plans anon IRC [03:24] schestowitz/fn would suit PIA agenda [03:25] activelow leah: freenode didn't nuke their database according to some saying of rasengan himself [03:25] leah yeah and when the old staff left, andrew had to do whatever he needed to get the network stable again [03:25] schestowitz/fn not sure about Kape [03:25] schestowitz/fn but PIA [03:25] leah so he recruited a bunch of ircops [03:25] leah and then got flamed for... running freenode [03:25] activelow he said i intentionally would not transfer the old services to the new databases [03:25] leah so he's being slammed for existing basically [03:25] activelow *he [03:25] leah he's not allowed to win [03:25] leah that's how it feels [03:25] leah similar treatment to what happened to RMS [03:25] schestowitz/fn [01:36] i setup a way for people to chat anonymously in #anonchan - https://github.com/realrasengan/anonbot <-- you can download yourself if you'd like to setup (just requires nodejs/npm) xD [03:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - realrasengan/anonbot: Anonchan is the bot that powers #anonchan on freenode, the place to chat anonymously. [03:25] schestowitz/fn [02:39] thanks, wish you'd have a self-hosted git repo tbh [03:25] schestowitz/fn [02:41] http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_Github [03:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Delete Github - Techrights [03:25] schestowitz/fn [02:44] ah true, i'll move everything to git.freenode.net soon xD [03:25] schestowitz/fn he did that days ago! [03:25] leah i'm going to leave my stuff registered on libera too [03:25] schestowitz/fn github ARCHIVED [03:25] leah but i think i'll give preference to freenode [03:25] schestowitz/fn and they made o git.freenode.net [03:25] leah while also setting up self-hosted stuff as a backup [03:26] schestowitz/fn which is a step in the right direction [03:26] leah schestowitz: i've also hinted in #freenode on freenode that i might volunteer [03:26] leah that is, if they'll have me, i wish to become part of freenode staff [03:26] leah to help them out. but i'm waiting to see how things go first [03:26] leah but so far, i sense that everything people have said about freenode is a load of bollocks [03:26] leah total hatchet job [03:26] baconpowder/fn hmm yea very interesting story [03:26] schestowitz/fn I look forward to the next step [03:26] leah nobody's perfect. i'm sure the freenode ops have bad traits in some of them. who cares lol [03:27] leah freenode is irc [03:27] schestowitz/fn they put another daemon in place [03:27] leah irc is irc [03:27] leah who cares [03:27] schestowitz/fn https://irc.com/ [03:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-IRC.com [03:27] schestowitz/fn "Stage 1. Show intent of IRC development" [03:27] schestowitz/fn "Stage 2. Sponsor development of an open source IRC server" [03:27] schestowitz/fn They slid a new one in [03:27] schestowitz/fn without warning [03:27] schestowitz/fn "Stage 3. Launch a general purpose IRC network" [03:27] schestowitz/fn "A new IRC network will be launched under irc.irc.com using the bleeding edge IRC development to showcase what can now be done on the new server with a web client readily available to take advantage." [03:27] activelow i) IRC is only the application layer protocol [03:28] schestowitz/fn " [03:28] schestowitz/fn Stage 4. Launch the IRC Foundation [03:28] schestowitz/fn Sponsoring the IRC server development that we use for our own network is pretty selfish. Thats where the IRC Foundation comes into play by opening up sponsorships to other crucial and prominent IRC projects; Servers, clients, bouncers and other IRC related projects. [03:28] schestowitz/fn Providing documentation, tools and resources for IRC development in an easy to use manner. [03:28] schestowitz/fn Our aim is to improve the IRC community as a whole and helping other IRC projects thrive is how we go about it. [03:28] schestowitz/fn " [03:28] schestowitz/fn I think they want [03:28] schestowitz/fn 1) more anonymity [03:28] schestowitz/fn andrew has worked on the code himself [03:28] schestowitz/fn sadly JS [03:28] schestowitz/fn so either nodejs or some web interfaces [03:28] schestowitz/fn like kiwi irc and irclown [03:28] schestowitz/fn " [03:28] schestowitz/fn Stage 5. Lets make IRC user friendly [03:28] schestowitz/fn We have the development, IRC community resources, a live modern network. But we still need to make it much easier for the general public to use. People understand WhatsApp and Messenger, not servers, ports and commands. [03:28] schestowitz/fn Refreshed mobile apps, intuitive web apps, friends lists, working team support, video calls and file sharing. All within a few taps of the mobile device as people have come to expect. [03:28] schestowitz/fn " [03:29] schestowitz/fn Latest in https://freenode.net/news/taking-irc-further [03:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net | Taking IRC Further - freenode [03:29] schestowitz/fn " [03:29] schestowitz/fn freenode BBS: Share links with the freenode community [03:29] schestowitz/fn Were proud to announce that weve launched an IRC-first web link aggregator, BBS. You can join now, post links and comment by joining #freenode-bbs, #freenode-bbs-discussion and #freenode-chit. Chit is our web commenting platform controlled via an IRC bot. [03:29] schestowitz/fn All moderation is publicly visible via the IRC channel, the way things are supposed to be - transparently. Source repository links are found on the respective websites as well. [03:29] schestowitz/fn freenode is the first IRC network to run a major website with all user interaction over IRC. [03:29] schestowitz/fn " [03:29] schestowitz/fn I think they want a link between www and irc [03:29] activelow ii) the real asset is/was the projects and developers present on freenode.classic and those have mostly left entirely [03:29] schestowitz/fn one way or another [03:29] activelow and iii) staff had left too [03:30] schestowitz/fn yes, a real problem [03:30] schestowitz/fn nothing went as planned [03:30] schestowitz/fn as per irc.com [03:30] schestowitz/fn or freenode.net blog [03:31] schestowitz/fn mind you, [03:31] schestowitz/fn look at netsplit.de [03:31] schestowitz/fn the trouble predate tomaw and andrew fighting over the domain [03:31] schestowitz/fn and in April someone privately blew the whistle [03:31] schestowitz/fn months earlier I had been told about Lee buying FN in secret [03:31] activelow this data isn't trustworthy, i had seen some other data indicating freenode had a less than active 2000 participants left [03:32] schestowitz/fn #techrights at freenode has 58 users online [03:32] schestowitz/fn same time a day before 84 or so [03:32] schestowitz/fn (iirc) [03:34] techrights-bot/fn #GIMP and #Krita top of this list https://www.techspot.com/article/2250-adobe-photoshop-alternatives/ [03:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Top Alternatives to Adobe Photoshop | TechSpot [03:35] MinceR even libera itself was set up in advance, afaik [03:36] AdmFubar https://boingboing.net/2021/06/15/if-you-need-to-make-a-liter-of-coffee-heres-a-french-press-for-you.html?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=if-you-need-to-make-a-liter-of-coffee-heres-a-french-press-for-you [03:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boingboing.net | If you need to make a liter of coffee, here's a French press for you | Boing Boing [03:37] MinceR that's a nice utm_campaign parameter :> [03:43] XRevan86 activelow: That data was from the Charybdis freenode. [03:43] AdmFubar https://yro.slashdot.org/story/21/06/14/2157213/irish-police-to-be-given-powers-over-passwords?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed [03:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yro.slashdot.org | Irish Police To Be Given Powers Over Passwords - Slashdot [03:43] AdmFubar https://slashdot.org/story/21/06/14/191246/wave-of-resignations-predicted-as-pandemic-lockdown-ends?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed [03:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-slashdot.org | Wave of Resignations Predicted As Pandemic Lockdown Ends - Slashdot [03:44] schestowitz MinceR: I always strip those off [03:44] schestowitz manually [03:44] MinceR don't you mean ircd-seven freenode? [03:44] schestowitz maybe I should script something to do that [03:44] XRevan86 leah: The staff did need to leave. [03:44] schestowitz same for amp and go.theregister [03:44] schestowitz they're tracking cruft [03:44] MinceR the staff could have decided not to resign [03:44] schestowitz groupthink [03:45] AdmFubar https://it.slashdot.org/story/21/06/15/2212220/southwest-airlines-cancels-500-flights-after-computer-glitch-grounds-fleet?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed [03:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-it.slashdot.org | Southwest Airlines Cancels 500 Flights After Computer Glitch Grounds Fleet - Slashdot [03:45] schestowitz mentality of peer pressure [03:45] XRevan86 MinceR: Yea, from seven to eight, let's use that terminology :) [03:45] MinceR and there's always radical freedom :> [03:45] schestowitz fear or rejection by a group [03:45] schestowitz AdmFubar: thankfully we've stopped flying for now [03:45] schestowitz the environment drinks to that! [03:45] leah XRevan86: what makes you say that? [03:46] AdmFubar https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/06/15/0453207&from=rss [03:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | "Performance Issue" at Nuclear Power Plant in Guangdong - SoylentNews [03:46] techrights-bot/fn #ProprietarySoftware https://it.slashdot.org/story/21/06/15/2212220/southwest-airlines-cancels-500-flights-after-computer-glitch-grounds-fleet [03:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-it.slashdot.org | Southwest Airlines Cancels 500 Flights After Computer Glitch Grounds Fleet - Slashdot [03:46] Ariadne computers are bad [03:46] Ariadne raise alpacas instead [03:46] XRevan86 leah: After the TOTP incident Andrew used all authority he had on them. [03:46] schestowitz goats are good [03:47] schestowitz ah, you beat me to it [03:47] leah TOTP? [03:47] schestowitz today computers don't last long [03:47] schestowitz less than even our fish [03:47] Ariadne temporary one time passwords [03:47] Ariadne aka second factor with [03:47] Ariadne auth [03:47] leah oh, when they tried to lock him out [03:47] leah but why didn't they want him to have anything to do with it? [03:47] leah they being, former freenode staff who now run libera [03:47] Ariadne all that happened is that tomaw enabled 2FA [03:48] activelow if there is some strategy behind "absorbing nutrients" from foss community as Huwaei announced, then taking control of freenode irc is exactly in line with their strategy; same with installing King Lee of Korean Telecom as head of ITU-T, or seeking sponsoring with fosshost and similar [03:48] Ariadne which is a reasonable thing to do tbh [03:48] MinceR Ariadne: how well does doom run on an alpaca? [03:48] leah thing is though, didn't he own freenode? [03:48] leah christel handed it over to him [03:48] Ariadne christel did so without disclosing it to anyone [03:48] leah yeah, so what? [03:48] Ariadne i asked about it in 2017 [03:49] XRevan86 leah: Enabled as in "ye need to set up 2FA to have access" [03:49] Ariadne well so what means had she disclosed the sale in 2017 this would have happened differently [03:49] leah how differently? [03:49] XRevan86 leah: Andrew has a thing against 2FA, so instead he did what he did. [03:49] MinceR we would have had a libera.chat in 2017 :> [03:49] MinceR XRevan86: what is that thing? [03:49] Ariadne presumably either andrew would have been properly integrated into the network administration [03:50] Ariadne or this split would have happened in 2017 [03:50] leah but what problem did they actually have with andrew [03:50] Ariadne 50/50 on the outcome tbh [03:50] leah ? [03:50] leah or christel for that matter [03:50] leah what's the source of their hatred? that's what i want to know [03:50] Ariadne unknown variable who decided to assert itself with lawyers [03:50] CrystalMath hi Ariadne :D [03:51] XRevan86 MinceR: I am not completely sure how to explain his position as I don't understand it. [03:51] MinceR XRevan86: yeah, i thought so :> [03:51] schestowitz we need to start an era of irc proliferation [03:51] schestowitz i think evan wanted that with statusnet at one point [03:51] CrystalMath XRevan86: there's nothing worse than 2FA [03:51] Ariadne i dont think it is hatred as much as unknown variable [03:51] schestowitz he tried to sell that as a business solution for collab [03:51] XRevan86 MinceR: I have a suspicion that he doesn't understand that 2FA doesn't mean an SMS. [03:51] MinceR RIP StatusNet [03:51] MinceR XRevan86: maybe it means some sort of software he didn't want or couldn't run [03:52] MinceR how are those TOTPs delivered? [03:52] schestowitz usually 'phone' [03:52] Ariadne if its gandi 2fa its just the standard OATH method described in RFC whatever [03:52] schestowitz today we need to travel like 15 miles to a mate of mine JUST TO USE HIS PHONE!! [03:52] XRevan86 MinceR: They are not delivered, they are generated, it's time-based cryptography magic. [03:52] CrystalMath schestowitz: and how the hell can someone without a smartphone do that? [03:52] Ariadne phone apps and desktop apps implementing it are a dime a dozen [03:52] schestowitz For some stupid identification "app" [03:52] Ariadne some [03:52] MinceR ic [03:52] CrystalMath schestowitz: it is stupid [03:52] Ariadne 2FA [03:53] XRevan86 CrystalMath: But using "PC" [03:53] schestowitz details in http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/06/12/uk-home-office-eu-mobile/ [03:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Ongoing Investigation: Does the UK Home Office Force EU Citizens to Carry Around Tracking Devices? [03:53] XRevan86 By* [03:53] CrystalMath 2FA must die [03:53] Ariadne are text message based and dumb [03:53] job you don't need a smartphone for 2FA [03:53] Ariadne some 2FA involve a hardware token [03:53] XRevan86 Smartphones don't have a monopoly on cryptography. [03:53] Ariadne it depends on what the implementation is in order to determine if its good or bad tbh [03:54] schestowitz [03:53] Smartphones don't have a monopoly on cryptography. [03:54] schestowitz much worse because [03:54] job I use oathtool for my 2FA [03:54] schestowitz 1) their crypto is broken [03:54] schestowitz 2) there are back doors at several levels [03:54] XRevan86 schestowitz: TOTP! [03:54] schestowitz new: https://symantec-enterprise-blogs.security.com/blogs/threat-intelligence/mobile-apps-ssl-locks [03:54] CrystalMath schestowitz: and some people don't want to use that crap [03:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-symantec-enterprise-blogs.security.com | Symantec Blogs [03:54] XRevan86 It's not abstract, it's a specific standard. [03:54] Ariadne but most 2FA are based on OATH which uses good cryptographic primitives and is a fully open standard documented in RFC i forget the number right now [03:54] *psydroid (~psydroid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [03:54] Ariadne and theres a gazillion free software implementations of it [03:55] CrystalMath Ariadne: so more crap to run [03:55] *psydroid (~psydroid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [03:55] CrystalMath instead of just logging in with a password [03:55] baconpowder/fn so really 2FA killed freenode? [03:55] CrystalMath freenode isn't dea [03:55] Ariadne passwords can get compromised and humans have a problem with excessive password reuse [03:55] CrystalMath *dead [03:55] job we could just use certificate-based authentication tbh [03:55] job this network allows that [03:55] job instead of using password-based, even on first registration [03:55] XRevan86 baconpowder: A phobia of it was the last nail in the coffin, yes. [03:56] schestowitz This whole 'carry around a phone' culture needs to die [03:56] schestowitz [10:48] TIL that some places in town where you want to have a simple little meal require that you have 1) a "phone" and 2) an "NHS app" [03:56] schestowitz [10:49] To make matters yet worse, some places would not serve you here in #manchester anymore unless you 1) carry around a tracking device ("phone") and 2) install THEIR "app". Yes, with your email, address, name and all... even just to order to a little item like coffee [03:56] Ariadne the new freenode is certainly something [03:56] XRevan86 oathtool was extremely easy to find [03:56] Ariadne schestowitz: OATH based 2FA doesnt require a phone [03:57] schestowitz so far no spam floods in the new freenode [03:57] schestowitz unlike the prior day [03:57] Ariadne it requires any sort of computer that can run an implementation of the software [03:57] XRevan86 Andrew could've used that. [03:57] schestowitz but then again little signal as well [03:57] schestowitz no noise, no signal either [03:57] Ariadne its because the ircd bans you [03:57] Ariadne if you post more than 3 messages [03:57] Ariadne in a second [03:57] XRevan86 In essence it's just asymmetric cryptography. [03:58] job it's weird they would kickban floods instead of just kicking [03:58] Ariadne i got banned by the automated system just for writing as i normally do [03:58] job floods can be unintentional [03:58] Ariadne they z-line [03:58] Ariadne actually [03:58] job if they repeat the flood the second time, then a ban is warranted [03:58] Ariadne or were last night [03:58] Ariadne who knows [03:58] Ariadne who cares [03:58] schestowitz I remember dalnet doing that [03:58] schestowitz in the 1990s [03:58] Ariadne let them do what they want i suppose [03:58] schestowitz many accidental bans [03:59] schestowitz if you 'feel' like a bot [03:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 23.76 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 50.25 [03:59] XRevan86 Just as oathtool was a revelation here, I think that Andrew had wrong preconceptions as well. [03:59] Ariadne dalnet had some overzealous heuristics too yes [03:59] XRevan86 But also had lawyers ready to go. [03:59] Ariadne its hard to work with somebody whose first interaction is lawyers [03:59] MinceR afaik the kickban for flooding is something you can specify in the mode parameter (how many lines in how many seconds) ● Jun 16 [04:00] Ariadne christel could have and should have integrated andrew into the team [04:00] XRevan86 Ariadne: It's the FOSS spirit. [04:00] Ariadne she chose not to [04:00] Ariadne i think andrew does legitimately want to help, but the problem is that he fundamentally doesnt understand how the FOSS community operates [04:01] techrights-bot/fn Tobias Bernard: Community Power Part 2: The Process https://blogs.gnome.org/tbernard/2021/06/15/community-power-2/ #gnome #freesw [04:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.gnome.org | Community Power Part 2: The Process Space and Meaning [04:01] XRevan86 Or how 2FA operates. [04:01] Ariadne and every action he has taken has put people in the position where they have to back away from him [04:01] job so we can blame christel for this split then [04:01] Ariadne yes i think so [04:01] schestowitz THIS >>>> [04:00] i think andrew does legitimately want to help, but the problem is that he fundamentally doesnt understand how the FOSS community operates [04:01] job it's pretty weird that she disappeared so suddenly without reason [04:01] activelow whatever disappeard would mean [04:02] MinceR i think there are other things he fails to understand too [04:02] Ariadne its not weird shes been hands off for years [04:02] XRevan86 activelow: She resigned and is not answering any questions. [04:02] activelow btw. i found this christel was involved with gentoo project too [04:02] schestowitz that doesn't bode well [04:02] Ariadne she basically threatened the charybdis project because we granted commit privileges to somebody she disliked [04:02] schestowitz policy of "no question" means doubt in one's own defense [04:02] Ariadne and that began her withdrawal from managing freenode [04:03] XRevan86 schestowitz: And freenode is not going to be the community glue. I am firmly standing with that statement. [04:03] Ariadne because others on her team called her on threatening us [04:03] schestowitz it's one of many [04:03] schestowitz and depends on the project [04:03] schestowitz I see some projects scattered to networks that are not LC [04:03] schestowitz 2 of them yesterday [04:03] XRevan86 schestowitz: By that definition rusnet is community glue. [04:04] MinceR lol [04:04] schestowitz I already have OFTC in my konversation window [04:04] schestowitz XRevan86: for Russian users [04:04] XRevan86 Yes, OFTC maintains the second place. [04:04] Ariadne the good news is that irc can support being connected to many servers at once [04:04] CrystalMath oh wait what's that russian network? [04:04] CrystalMath there's a russian IRC network [04:04] Ariadne we just need to reduce that friction [04:04] schestowitz [03:27] Since the account will probably be lost together with the cloak, my e-mail is xxxxxxxx [04:04] schestowitz [03:29] Otherwise, I am in contact with XRevan86 and tdemin (or whatever his nickname was) [04:04] schestowitz [04:03] OK, cool [04:04] Ariadne make it as easy as possible to join new servers [04:05] CrystalMath gry invited me to it [04:05] CrystalMath gry left freenode forever so i no longer have any contact with her [04:05] CrystalMath she's only on liberia [04:05] XRevan86 schestowitz: I know who wrote that, yes. [04:05] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Probably rusnet. It's pretty hated though. [04:05] schestowitz/fn OFTC: [04:05] schestowitz/fn [04:04] [Users] Current users on the network: 19029 Max: 19406 [04:06] schestowitz/fn But I was warned about some of their staff [04:06] CrystalMath XRevan86: rusnet, maybe.. [04:06] CrystalMath any others? [04:06] Ariadne OFTC staff seem okay to me [04:06] schestowitz XRevan86: a sense of community [04:06] CrystalMath Ariadne: k-lined bagira for no reason [04:06] CrystalMath even rbraun doesn't support them [04:06] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Don't really know, XMPP is way more powerful in Russian. [04:06] schestowitz Ariadne: most are OK [04:07] schestowitz I was told who to be wary of [04:07] CrystalMath XRevan86: oh yeah i joined some russian XMPP servers :) [04:07] Ariadne i mean yes, that seems unfortunate [04:07] CrystalMath lots of them are .ru [04:07] MinceR oftc staff has some of the worst people, like mcgovern [04:07] Ariadne especially when there are many reasons one could kline bagira [04:07] Ariadne which would be totally legit [04:07] CrystalMath bagira's a good guy [04:07] techrights-bot/fn #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [04:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index [04:07] XRevan86 schestowitz: Is Snoonet lacking a sense of community? [04:07] techrights-bot/fn #Techrights Bulletin for Tuesday, June 15, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [04:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives [04:08] Ariadne CrystalMath: he seems like a person who gets involved in the moment and then does stupid things [04:09] rbraun/fn yeah there are many decent reasons to k-line bagira but "activities relating to the RMS open letter" was the reason they gave, so [04:09] CrystalMath i get involved in the moment, but i manage to filter most of my stupid things [04:09] Ariadne im just saying as far as bagira goes, if you want a justifiable ban, just wait until he gets worked up over something [04:09] XRevan86 schestowitz: OFTC gained some projects from all this, but surprisingly not that much. [04:09] Ariadne he will do something that can be justified for a ban [04:09] Ariadne fwiw i dont think bagira is bad [04:09] activelow btw. this is what is currently discussed in german politics: full control by government over social networks, because of this and that [04:10] rbraun/fn he seems to be responsible for a number of the recent k-lines [04:10] rbraun/fn which is, in this context, very ironic [04:10] Ariadne its because he gets wound up very easily [04:10] schestowitz germany needs to have its own network [04:10] Ariadne also his kline skills are not good [04:10] schestowitz nigeria also [04:10] rbraun/fn lol how "not good" are we talking here [04:11] schestowitz anything else is giving foreign corporations control over a population they might strive to oppress, sometimes in cooperation with the state [04:11] Ariadne hasnt figured out CIDR yet [04:11] rbraun/fn none of them have [04:11] Ariadne so evasion is trivial for anyone who has an ipv6 block [04:11] job he also doesn't seem to know about banning by ident (or maybe he's intentionally not doing that) [04:11] Ariadne funnily enough, atheme does understand how to use CIDR automatically [04:11] job even if the spammers are consistently using the same ident [04:12] rbraun/fn job, welp. [04:12] Ariadne if you ask operserv to kline somebody it will figure out the most optimal way to do it [04:12] activelow ministry of the interior seeking to deploy trojans and backdoors, full surveillance of networks and services, full surveillance of devices [04:12] rbraun/fn actually the thing that bothered me about OFTC staff, in context, is that a few were close to people on the open letter [04:12] rbraun/fn they gave no reason for the k-line [04:12] Ariadne not that i support using kline as a tool for that [04:12] schestowitz we had that in news the other day, activelow [04:12] schestowitz in Daily Links [04:12] rbraun/fn then a month later when it was contested, gave that reason [04:12] schestowitz the malware as standard [04:13] schestowitz germany copies the UK [04:13] rbraun/fn also whined about the logs being linked in #fsf of a 450+ person channel where they made those statements. because what, like i'm going to trust what bagira says on it? nah [04:13] Ariadne rbraun: regardless of position on the RMS letter i believe that klines should be based on actual on-network policy violations [04:13] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/fsf-channel-canceled.txt [04:13] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/freenode-takes-control-of-fsf-channel.txt [04:14] rbraun/fn and said the person should contact them directly when the same person said in the same logs that they would not take an appeal because the people in charge of such had already decided [04:14] schestowitz hours ago FSF suggested self-hosted IRC too [04:14] rbraun/fn Ariadne, i agree. and it's possible there were such. but the logs seem to have evidence that was not the reason for the ban [04:14] schestowitz I think because I had spoken to them about it [04:14] CrystalMath Ariadne: what about anope? [04:14] CrystalMath freenode is now running that [04:14] schestowitz they also mention gemini a bit [04:15] Ariadne i dont think anopes akill system is as clever as athemes [04:15] Ariadne but maybe it is by now [04:15] Ariadne regardless opers have to actually be trained to use it [04:15] schestowitz FSF: we did not have freedom https://www.fsf.org/news/update-to-the-fsf-and-gnus-plan-to-move-irc-channels-to-libera.chat [04:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | Update to the FSF and GNU's plan to move IRC channels to Libera.Chat Free Software Foundation Working together for free software [04:15] schestowitz FSF let's move to another network where we don't have freedom [04:16] schestowitz they were caught off guard [04:16] Ariadne i think FSF did what they could given the workload on the sysadmin team [04:16] schestowitz that's what they said [04:16] Ariadne i did talk to them about self hosting but they didnt want to have to own the service [04:16] Ariadne if for example this irc gets flooded [04:16] schestowitz good that you spoke to them about it [04:16] Ariadne we would have to mitigate the flood ourselves [04:17] schestowitz we might do some manuals when I find time to study how it works [04:17] job so I heard that doing a /LIST on the new freenode can get you kicked from the network [04:17] Ariadne FSF felt they could not aggregate sufficient resources [04:17] job even though /LIST is already rate-limited [04:17] Ariadne probably [04:17] Ariadne they seem to have extremely paranoid limits [04:17] activelow schestowitz: i am only speculating there is other political and economic motives involved with the freenode drama than publicly presented [04:18] Ariadne the simplest explanation is usually the most correct [04:18] activelow some individuals banning and smearing each other is probably almost irelevant [04:18] Ariadne which is that christel sold the network to andrew and made no attempt to integrate him into the staff team [04:19] techrights-bot/fn "Offered as part of CloudLinuxs TuxCare security services, #UChecker works with all modern Linux distributions and has been licensed under the GNU General Public License, Version 2." https://www.scmagazine.com/home/security-news/cloud-security/uchecker-tool-from-cloudlinux-scans-linux-servers/ [04:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.scmagazine.com | UChecker tool scans Linux servers for outdated libraries | SC Media [04:19] Ariadne and yes i agree that freenodes past performance does possibly imply problems for libera.chat [04:19] Ariadne but christel was a large part of the governance problem [04:19] Ariadne so we will see how it plays out [04:19] schestowitz "tech rights" :-) https://www.reuters.com/legal/transactional/brief-stanford-professors-company-sues-oxford-institute-over-dna-tech-rights-2021-06-11/ [04:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-IN BRIEF: Stanford professors company sues Oxford institute over DNA tech rights | Reuters [04:20] Ariadne i think its not good to have all eggs in one basket and would like to see much more diversification of irc [04:20] schestowitz +1 [04:20] CrystalMath Ariadne: by that you mean, christel wanted at least 1 right-wing person to stay, while the rest would be happy with 0 and them all executed rather than k-lined [04:20] activelow since USA seek to sanction china/huwaei -> IRC and proliferation, the amount of cash involved, surveillance, and the projects/people present on former freenode [04:20] schestowitz when pleroma.site went under (server crash, data loss) I could carry on posting elsewhere [04:20] Ariadne crystalmath with all due respect you dont really know what im talking about [04:20] schestowitz IRC always had backups of many postings, not just mine [04:21] schestowitz as plain text and html [04:21] CrystalMath Ariadne: i'm saying that christel did good, in a way [04:21] *XRevan86 read the FSF announcement. [04:21] CrystalMath Ariadne: she didn't want all the channels shut down [04:21] XRevan86 Oi, they're very angry. [04:21] schestowitz XRevan86: it's goooood [04:21] CrystalMath Ariadne: she protected some semblance of freedom of speech [04:21] schestowitz and it correctly shows how f'ed up it is [04:21] Ariadne christel may or may not have done good in specific cases [04:21] schestowitz [00:38] #fsf unhappy with #freenode despite its owner being the biggest financial contributor to FSF last year. That really says how badly FN is messing things up. https://www.fsf.org/news/update-to-the-fsf-and-gnus-plan-to-move-irc-channels-to-libera.chat [04:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | Update to the FSF and GNU's plan to move IRC channels to Libera.Chat Free Software Foundation Working together for free software [04:22] rbraun/fn i agree with ariadne, it'd also be nice to have a larger, more vibrant general purpose network so libera can focus on foss [04:22] Ariadne but the lack of real governance means there is a lack of real policy [04:22] Ariadne and in a vacuum of policy, people do what they want [04:22] rbraun/fn i was hoping for a bit freenode could move halfway toward that even as most projects left, but andrew lee shot that in the foot [04:22] Ariadne so having real policy protects everyone regardless of ideology [04:22] rbraun/fn yeah [04:22] XRevan86 rbraun: It will probably not be freenode for that either, although I'm not as sure of that. [04:23] Ariadne i have no interest in punishing people with ideology different than mine fwiw [04:23] rbraun/fn i mean at this point, i think it won't be freenode for anything much :) [04:23] techrights-bot/fn Days ago the Reuters headline used the term "tech rights" https://www.reuters.com/legal/transactional/brief-stanford-professors-company-sues-oxford-institute-over-dna-tech-rights-2021-06-11/ [04:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-IN BRIEF: Stanford professors company sues Oxford institute over DNA tech rights | Reuters [04:24] techrights-bot/fn "Viky Bohra, 37, of Bothell, Washington, reaped a profit of $1,428,264 between January 2016 and October 2018 by buying and selling Amazon stock using eleven trading accounts managed by himself and his family." What about #intel prior CEO? Too big to jail? Or #microsoft Robert Bach? https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/11/amazon_insider_trading/ [04:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Amazon exec's husband jailed for two years for insider trading. Yes, with Amazon stock The Register [04:25] Ariadne but real policy does imply reasonable boundaries [04:25] CrystalMath Ariadne: oh since i registered here on techrights, does that mean you could sell my data :S [04:25] Ariadne i would not wish to operate an irc network that had an absolute free speech position [04:26] Ariadne CrystalMaths nickserv registration data available for the highest bidder [04:26] Ariadne :) [04:27] Ariadne high quality bcrypt hashes, really good stuff [04:27] XRevan86 What is hackint? [04:27] AdmFubar https://techcrunch.com/2021/06/15/lina-khan-ftc-confirmed/ [04:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Biden elevates tech antitrust crusader Lina Khan to FTC chair TechCrunch [04:27] Ariadne some german irc [04:27] CrystalMath XRevan86: an irc network [04:27] Ariadne they seem on [04:27] Ariadne er ok [04:27] AdmFubar https://techcrunch.com/2021/06/15/europes-tech-leaders-define-a-strategy-to-create-tech-giants/ [04:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Europes tech leaders define a strategy to create tech giants TechCrunch [04:28] Ariadne this bloody pinephone has even worse autocorrect than the fruit one [04:28] activelow CrystalMath: selling an author's work requires explicit consent [04:28] XRevan86 CrystalMath: "a word combined of Latin letters" [04:30] CrystalMath i'm sometimes on hackint [04:30] CrystalMath i use hackint to talk to libera staff [04:30] CrystalMath the ones i secretly like [04:30] schestowitz AdmFubar: do we WANT tech giants? [04:30] schestowitz Seems like a presumption that's wrong [04:30] activelow neither any license nor terms of services terminate an author's rights [04:30] AdmFubar duh! [04:30] schestowitz we see your nukes, we want nukes also [04:30] Ariadne libera is so far a mild improvement over past freenode [04:30] schestowitz don't worry, they will never be detonated anyway [04:30] Ariadne at least in terms of transparency [04:30] AdmFubar sorry I didn't know our fly wan undone [04:31] AdmFubar :"> [04:31] schestowitz GAFAM would never be used against Americans [04:31] activelow add to this mass surveillance and spying on users and selling their data violates constitutional rights often (privacy) [04:31] Ariadne we should indeed not want centralization of tech power [04:31] AdmFubar https://www.darkreading.com/vulnerabilities---threats/new-top-20-secure-coding-list-positions-plcs-as-plant-bodyguards/d/d-id/1341289 [04:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.darkreading.com | New Top 20 Secure-Coding List Positions PLCs as ... [04:31] Ariadne this is an at large digital autonomy issue though, not just one of software freedom [04:32] Ariadne it is possible to become a tech giant on the back of free software [04:32] techrights-bot/fn WRONG APPROACH. WE DO NOT WANT OR NEED TECH GIANTS. https://techcrunch.com/2021/06/15/europes-tech-leaders-define-a-strategy-to-create-tech-giants/ [04:32] Ariadne however i dont believe licensing is the solution to this problem [04:32] techrights-bot/fn #BananaPi : BPI-M2 Pro launches globally with an HDMI 2.1 connection for US$61 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152343 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [04:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Banana Pi: BPI-M2 Pro launches globally with an HDMI 2.1 connection for US$61 | Tux Machines [04:33] Ariadne pine phoneeeeeeee [04:33] schestowitz android started small [04:33] Ariadne i have to admit alpine on the pinephone is pretty sweet [04:33] schestowitz then it became a microphone [04:33] Ariadne i am using sxmo [04:33] schestowitz and billions of them [04:33] schestowitz amazon also uses a lot of free software [04:33] schestowitz but watch what it does with it... [04:33] Ariadne and whenever i get a text it pings me in IRC [04:33] AdmFubar https://www.darkreading.com/vulnerabilities---threats/know-thy-enemy-fighting-half-blind-against-ransomware-wont-work/a/d-id/1341254 [04:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-beta.darkreading.com | Dark Reading | Security | Protect The Business [04:34] schestowitz it's not just about licences [04:34] Ariadne ransomware is fucked [04:34] Ariadne i wish companies did not pay [04:34] XRevan86 Ariadne: oh hey, another pinephone user, welcome, welcome :D [04:34] schestowitz rianne talks about a pinephone [04:34] schestowitz we don't have a mobile [04:34] Ariadne well pinephone testing atm [04:35] activelow recently govnerment seeks to phase out old mobile phones (such as mine) since these didn't support "corona app" in germany [04:35] XRevan86 scientes, myself, MinceR and now Ariadne [04:35] Ariadne i have an iphone which is admittedly awful for software freedom but at least apple is not asking me to review sex shops i walked past [04:35] techrights-bot/fn Another corporate do-nothing or a change? https://techcrunch.com/2021/06/15/lina-khan-ftc-confirmed/ [04:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Biden elevates tech antitrust crusader Lina Khan to FTC chair TechCrunch [04:36] activelow by coincidence i received an SMS from my mobile network operator they would disable "deprecated" umts and support LTE only (which is technical nonsense since fallback to GSM is mandatory anyway) [04:36] *XRevan86 looks for a place where to review sex shops on AOSP [04:37] techrights-bot/fn What they "Say" is pure marketing. #gnu #linux does the same thing far more effectively, on many levels... https://forums.appleinsider.com/discussion/222303 [04:37] Ariadne custom android roms really arent my thing [04:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.appleinsider.com | Apple execs say iPadOS 15 helps users to multitask with UI changes - iPad Discussions on AppleInsider Forums [04:37] Ariadne the thing that makes pmOS interesting to me is [04:37] Ariadne if it breaks [04:37] XRevan86 Ariadne: I don't really get why. [04:37] Ariadne i can just NMU a new package that fixes my problem [04:37] Ariadne i cant do that with AOSO [04:37] Ariadne AOSP [04:37] Ariadne sorry still getting used to typing on this thing [04:38] XRevan86 Ariadne: Ye can hack it to death with Magisk though :) [04:38] Ariadne dont care [04:38] Ariadne i dont like java [04:38] XRevan86 Ariadne: Not a full replacement, but it's a powerful tool nonetheless. [04:38] Ariadne i dont want to learn java [04:38] Ariadne i dont want to think about java [04:38] Ariadne i dont like android anyway [04:38] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #StefanoLanaro #Kernel Linux Privilege Escalation Exploiting Capabilities https://steflan-security.com/linux-privilege-escalation-exploiting-capabilities/ [04:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-steflan-security.com | Linux Privilege Escalation - Exploiting Capabilities - StefLan's Security Blog [04:39] Ariadne what i basically want is iOS but free software [04:39] XRevan86 Ariadne: I'm pretty sure it's like the opposite of that. [04:40] XRevan86 I don't know Java by the way. It's too much for me. [04:40] *schestowitz thinks people lived OK before phones were portable [04:40] Ariadne ludditerights.org [04:40] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #Pine64 #OpenHardware June update: new hardware and more on the way https://www.pine64.org/2021/06/15/june-update-new-hardware-and-more-on-the-way/ [04:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pine64.org | June update: new hardware and more on the way | PINE64 [04:41] Ariadne XRevan86: bluntly if i am going to use a free software mobile platform at this point [04:41] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #BertHubert #freesw Europe's Software Problem https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/europes-software-problem/ [04:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-berthub.eu | Europe's Software Problem - Bert Hubert's writings [04:41] Ariadne its going to be one built on my world view [04:41] Ariadne which is alpine [04:42] schestowitz we need meshed networks [04:42] schestowitz that use encryption [04:42] Ariadne that literally describes LTE [04:42] Ariadne and 5G [04:42] Ariadne they are mesh networks [04:42] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #uniToronto # Mozilla Some notes on #Firefox 's media autoplay settings as of Firefox 89 https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/web/FirefoxMediaAutoplaySettingsIII [04:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-utcc.utoronto.ca | Chris's Wiki :: blog/web/FirefoxMediaAutoplaySettingsIII [04:42] Ariadne they have encrypted sessions [04:43] activelow the problem begins with telco operators already, and the situation there escalated already around year 2003 with the implementation of "mobile number portability", with my limited understanding of this [04:43] Ariadne fun fact: the most widely deployed 5G base station platform uses alpine [04:44] *schestowitz claps [04:44] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #RickCarlino #Programming TIL How RetroForth Implements Deferred Behavior https://rickcarlino.com/2021/06/01/til-how-retroforth-implements-deferred-behavior-html.html [04:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rickcarlino.com | TIL How RetroForth Implements Deferred Behavior [04:44] activelow national parliaments objected to "mass surveillance" (Vorratsdatenspeicherung) -> as a consequence national governmental agencies turned to EU parliament and counciles and passed required legistlation there [04:45] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #ThreatPost #Microsoft Gets Second Shot at Banning #hiQ from Scraping #LinkedIn User Data https://threatpost.com/court-linkedin-data-scraping/166927/ [04:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft Gets Second Shot at Banning hiQ from Scraping LinkedIn User Data | Threatpost [04:45] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #TimesHigherEducation #Education The joy of text in a world of tech zealotry https://www.timeshighereducation.com/campus/joy-text-world-tech-zealotry [04:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.timeshighereducation.com | The joy of text in a world of tech zealotry | THE Campus Learn, Share, Connect [04:46] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #DanielLemire #Education How long should you work on a problem h https://lemire.me/blog/2021/06/14/how-long-should-you-work-on-a-problem/ intellectual latency [04:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 520 @ https://lemire.me/blog/2021/06/14/how-long-should-you-work-on-a-problem/ ) [04:47] activelow most of the surveillance stuff is completely outside the scope of TCP/IP or any operating system security circus [04:47] Ariadne indeed [04:48] activelow telco operation, it is a completely separate protocol stack, to begin there [04:48] activelow ever heard of "Intelligent Network" or CAMEL/CAP protocol? "routing on IMSI" and triggering ALL calls was implemented 2003 [04:49] activelow it is completely irelevant if I used a GSM mobile phone from year 2000 or a shiny bright android [04:50] activelow and the relevant legal aspects are what is spied and tapped: the network, a service, or an individual device, online or offline even [04:51] schestowitz yes, hence avoid.. [04:52] Ariadne land lines are also tapped in that way [04:52] Ariadne its all SS7 at the core [04:52] techrights-bot/fn #Microsoft #Windows TCO: #TheHill #ProprietarySoftware TSA working on additional pipeline security regulations following Colonial Pipeline hack https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/558606-tsa-working-on-additional-pipeline-security-regulations-following [04:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-TSA working on additional pipeline security regulations following Colonial Pipeline hack | TheHill [04:53] techrights-bot/fn #Microsoft #Windows TCO: #TheHill #ProprietarySoftware Verizon, water agency targeted in Chinese cyber espionage campaign: report https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/558578-verizon-water-agency-targeted-in-chinese-cyber-espionage-campaign-report [04:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Verizon, water agency targeted in Chinese cyber espionage campaign: report | TheHill [04:53] schestowitz yes, land lines were always tapped [04:53] schestowitz but you could not enable a speaker phone/microphone remotely [04:54] schestowitz RMS still uses an old and traditional handset [04:54] schestowitz i need some sleep [04:54] activelow not really, the full integration with "Intelligent Network" and CAMEL/CAP was implemented rather late, around 2003 due to "mobile number portability" [04:54] schestowitz irc chaos prevented me sleeping and it's not healthy [04:54] arbition What are people's thoughts on Android with a custom rom sans Google Services? [04:54] arbition I haven't had much success sticking to it, but it's still on my mind [04:55] Ariadne the pinephone has a physical kill switch for the modem [04:56] Ariadne also wifi, mic, etc [04:56] arbition I thought the Librem 5 had those, and the pinephone was only soft switches [04:56] *buzzert (~buzzert@zmgw33tt22mkn.irc) has joined #techrights [04:56] activelow MNP means, effectively, the network provider can be swapped transparently, for mobile phone calls (and anything inside ISDN) the "voicebox" feature is implemented for automated answering etc., "conferencing" [04:58] Ariadne i wonder when the first anime XDCC channel will be started on the new freenode [04:58] activelow wouldn't surprise me if "voice recognition" allowed for automated speech-to-text for further processing, though this is only speculation since i had not seen this feature specifically yet [04:58] Ariadne freedom! [04:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 24.21 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 22.40 [04:59] Ariadne ooooooh [04:59] Ariadne there's an idea [04:59] Ariadne an XDCC channel for downloading linux ISOs ● Jun 16 [05:05] AdmFubar https://www.alternet.org/2021/06/american-business-owners-discover-a-novel-solution-to-the-worker-shortage-problem/ [05:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-American business owners discover a novel solution to the worker shortage problem - Alternet.org [05:09] DaemonFC I briefly resorted to IRC to swap MP3s when all of the first and second generation P2P programs were having the issues. [05:10] DaemonFC People would set up DCC servers and it was a total pain in the ass, but it wasn't being monitored closely. [05:12] DaemonFC For quite some time after the RIAA destroyed Napster, the last available binary of the P2P version still ran fine on Windows and could be pointed at someone else's (reverse engineered protocol) server. [05:12] DaemonFC So I used that for many years as well. [05:15] DaemonFC I'm curious about Fopnu, but how it works is unknown. [05:15] DaemonFC I don't know anything about what might be available on the network. [05:26] DaemonFC https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1708829 [05:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.mozilla.org | 1708829 - Cannot zoom 3D Models with mouse wheel anymore [05:26] DaemonFC More crap from Webkit/Blink. [05:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 28.00 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 10.23 ● Jun 16 [06:00] job wtf [06:00] job when did zooming on mouse wheels only became the norm [06:07] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [06:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 26.33 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 6.55 ● Jun 16 [07:01] *psydroid (~psydroid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [07:16] *sebsebseb has quit (connection closed) [07:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 26.66 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 17.95 ● Jun 16 [08:09] *gustaf has quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.8) [08:15] schestowitz job: usually behind the wheels now [08:15] schestowitz on so-called 'gaming' mice [08:15] job oh, interesting [08:15] job I always thought that page zoom is only ctrl+mouse wheel scroll [08:15] schestowitz a waste of button [08:15] schestowitz I'd rather reprogram it [08:15] job yeah [08:27] techrights-bot/fn #AlpineLinux 3.14 Released With Many Package Updates For This Lightweight Distro http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152344 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [08:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Alpine Linux 3.14 Released With Many Package Updates For This Lightweight Distro | Tux Machines [08:27] techrights-bot/fn #GNU #Linux for Starters: Your Guide to Linux 8 Things to do after installing #Ubuntu Part 5 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152345 [08:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux for Starters: Your Guide to Linux 8 Things to do after installing Ubuntu Part 5 | Tux Machines [08:28] techrights-bot/fn Magic typing with shortcuts on Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152346 [08:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Magic typing with shortcuts on Linux | Tux Machines [08:28] techrights-bot/fn #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152347 #Linux #TuxMachines [08:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [08:44] activelow https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-57474384 [08:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | China Taishan plant: 'Performance issue' reported at nuclear facility - BBC News [08:45] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Leaving) [08:45] schestowitz they should have licensed something from Bill instead, according to BillBC? [08:46] activelow sorry? off-topic? [08:48] schestowitz somewhat [08:48] activelow reading tech news. [08:48] schestowitz what's tech news [08:48] schestowitz oh, that... [08:48] schestowitz yes, well... what's left of it [08:49] schestowitz BBC "Tech": former Microsoft UK staff pretending to give tech [sic] news [08:49] schestowitz like WIndows Vapourware [08:49] schestowitz Vista 11 coming "Real soon now"(TM) [08:50] activelow i see, BBC is considered enemy territory. i scraped the news from a german site and looked for the best english-language match. [08:53] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/BBC [08:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | BBC - Techrights [08:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 23.70 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 23.30 ● Jun 16 [09:01] techrights-bot/fn Virtual Injustice Part 8: A Well-Connected IP Maximalist http://techrights.org/2021/06/16/epo-patent-maximalist/ #epo #swpats @zoobab @fsf #rms #freesw #patents [09:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Virtual Injustice Part 8: A Well-Connected IP Maximalist | Techrights [09:03] activelow this is a misrepresentation of RMS: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/swpats-rms.png [09:04] activelow it simply isn't what he says. [09:07] schestowitz I know [09:07] schestowitz we didn't get down to the details [09:07] schestowitz and I was planning to do a video [09:07] schestowitz but we don't have a mobile phone [09:07] schestowitz so need to travel out of town to a friend's 'phone' [09:07] schestowitz to use an "app" [09:07] schestowitz hence not time today for videos :/ [09:07] schestowitz RMS promotes copyleft [09:08] schestowitz it's a copyright-based licence [09:08] activelow yes, and effectively GPL and copyleft in particular are crucial to *enforce* copyright and even patent claims. [09:08] schestowitz I'm leaving in a bit.. [09:08] schestowitz at least I managed to release part 8, tomorrow 9 to come, 14 in total [09:09] schestowitz IRC draining out all my personal capacity resources this week (or month) [09:09] activelow ok [09:09] activelow i am finalizing some distro release here and got some time in between. i'll sneak around elsewhere. [09:10] activelow anyway, glad to have found techrights and like-minded. [09:11] techrights-bot/fn #IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 http://techrights.org/2021/06/16/irc-log-150621/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/16/irc-log-150621/ [09:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 | Techrights [09:12] techrights-bot/fn #IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 http://techrights.org/2021/06/16/irc-log-150621/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/16/irc-log-150621/ [09:12] techrights-bot/fn #LinuxMint 20.2 Beta is Available for Download http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152348 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [09:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Mint 20.2 Beta is Available for Download | Tux Machines [09:13] *gustaf (~gerikson@krkzi3rq7rhje.irc) has joined #techrights [09:13] techrights-bot/fn The #EPO #lobbying for European #softwarepatents goes all the way to the top, including #AntnioCampinos and his circle http://techrights.org/2021/06/16/epo-patent-maximalist/ #swpats | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/16/epo-patent-maximalist/ ● Jun 16 [10:16] schestowitz activelow: welcome. [10:16] schestowitz we're back now [10:16] schestowitz was sunny, went running around Man City Stadium [10:18] techrights-bot/fn Tons and tons of work around Man City Stadium this month. More and more projects. Even the Mercedes garage nearby is being relocated (that happened a few days ago), maybe to give way to Etihad projects? I guess that happens when you take two trophies in half a year and reach Champions League final. [10:20] schestowitz I am writing up "Techrights Statement on IRC" [10:20] schestowitz Can we get input here from IRC? [10:21] schestowitz to make sure I don't miss out something? [10:21] gustaf "have a bug-out bag ready" seems like a good tip ;) [10:29] schestowitz how is this for a draft? [10:29] schestowitz Techrights Statement on IRC [10:29] schestowitz YESTERDAY was the most turbulent day in IRC since we started using IRC in early 2008. There are many of us who are involved in running Techrights (IRC, hosting, Daily Links, research and so on), and no doubt yesterday's events in Freenode had a profound effect on our ability to communicate, to produce articles, and to code (we had to change a lot in code in many machines, then do extensive testing). [10:29] schestowitz IRC is a universal protocol that is very old and widely supported by a large number of software clients. It's nowhere near of its peak of 2003 (about 10 million online users, according to Wikipedia), but many geeks still use it. Freenode says (in IRC.com and in Freenode.net) that it wants to take IRC to the next level, but what was done yesterday without prior warning and with barely a coherent explanation is inexcusable. Those of us who still had [10:29] schestowitz some trust in Freenode, including the FSF, lost most of all of that trust. Freenode needs to get together and formulate a statement on yesterday's events. Otherwise, we cannot be sure such impulsive and erratic decisions will be made again (with zero prior consultation with communities that actually made Freenode what it is). [10:29] schestowitz Our channels are all available at irc.techrights.org (default port numbers). The "Techrights" (#techrights) channel dropped from about 85 users (before Tuesday's chaos) to just 54 at this moment. We are not leaving Freenode (we have been there for a very long time and have a bridge set up), but we certainly deserve an explanation from Freenode management and we certainly anticipate one. [10:36] Techrights-sec And, unfortunately, sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable [10:36] Techrights-sec from malice. [10:37] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #Bloomberg #Monopolies Google, Amazon Defend Home Device Business in #Antitrust Hearing https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-15/google-amazon-defend-home-device-business-in-antitrust-hearing [10:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot? [10:38] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #BroadbandBreakfast #Monopolies Technology Groups Speak Out Against Proposed #Antitrust Package https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2021/06/technology-executives-speak-out-against-proposed-antitrust-package/ [10:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-broadbandbreakfast.com | Technology Groups Speak Out Against Proposed Antitrust Package : Broadband Breakfast [10:38] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #RollingStone #Copyrights #Copyright #RogerWaters Says He Rejected Facebooks Offer to Use Another Brick in the Wall in Ad https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/roger-waters-rejects-facebook-offer-another-brick-in-the-wall-1183773/ [10:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rollingstone.com | Roger Waters Rejects Facebook Offer to Use 'Another Brick in the Wall' - Rolling Stone [10:47] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights Pirate Site Blocking Requests Sneak into U.S. Courts https://torrentfreak.com/pirate-site-blocking-requests-sneak-into-u-s-courts-210615/ [10:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Pirate Site Blocking Requests Sneak into U.S. Courts * TorrentFreak [10:47] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights Devs Sneak Movie Piracy Apps Into App Store Disguised as Other Things https://torrentfreak.com/devs-sneak-movie-piracy-apps-into-app-store-disguised-as-other-things-210615/ [10:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Devs Sneak Movie Piracy Apps Into App Store Disguised as Other Things * TorrentFreak [10:48] Techrights-sec I'd suggest moving the "And, unfortunately ..." sentence to right [10:48] Techrights-sec before "Our channels..." so that it closes with the call to action [10:48] Techrights-sec instead. [10:51] Techrights-sec >> see wordpress draft [10:51] schestowitz i am picking some graphics in the meantime, will need to do summary etc. [10:52] Techrights-sec D-R ouight to be expanded [10:52] Techrights-sec (I presume it is disaster recovery) [10:52] schestowitz I will use abbr [10:57] Techrights-sec The last sentence is probably unneccesary. Novell is not relevant any more [10:57] Techrights-sec the focus should stay on freenode [10:57] Techrights-sec Maybe also: [10:57] Techrights-sec change "The value of Freenode isnt ..." to "However, the value of Freenode isnt ..." [10:58] schestowitz ok, I will finish the editing now, I left it untouched [10:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 27.61 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 6.11 ● Jun 16 [11:18] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #RaspberryPi #RasPi #GNU #Linux Make a Raspberry Pi-powered BMO Adventure Time console https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/make-a-raspberry-pi-powered-bmo-adventure-time-console/ [11:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.raspberrypi.org | Make a Raspberry Pi-powered BMO Adventure Time console - Raspberry Pi [11:36] techrights-bot/fn Techrights Statement on #IRC http://techrights.org/2021/06/16/techrights-statement-on-irc/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/16/techrights-statement-on-irc/ [11:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Statement on IRC | Techrights [11:36] *psydroid (~psydroid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [11:42] activelow netsplit.de reports freenode dropped below top100 https://netsplit.de/networks/history/top10_2021u.png [11:45] *asusbox has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:46] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Jun 16 [12:05] *psydroid (~psydroid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [12:07] *psydroid (~psydroid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [12:19] *psydroid (~psydroid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [12:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 26.00 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 19.93 ● Jun 16 [13:11] *psydroid (~psydroid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [13:40] MinceR 16 055359 <~schestowitz> but you could not enable a speaker phone/microphone remotely [13:40] MinceR are you sure? [13:41] MinceR 16 055435 < arbition> What are people's thoughts on Android with a custom rom sans Google Services? [13:41] MinceR i'd prefer that to systemd/Linux, but i prefer GNU/Linux to Android/Linux [13:41] MinceR 16 055652 < arbition> I thought the Librem 5 had those, and the pinephone was only soft switches [13:42] MinceR afaik they both have them, but in the pinephone it's on the inside (behind the back cover) and on the librem it's on the outside ● Jun 16 [14:42] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/21061354 [14:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (5556941) [14:44] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [14:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 30.10 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 32.60 ● Jun 16 [15:00] *psymin (~psymin@me3biw7mdts84.irc) has joined #techrights [15:22] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/21061238 [15:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (5553331) [15:22] MinceR (fox) ^ [15:23] MinceR should have tagged it for Roy's sake :> [15:30] MinceR https://uncyclopedia.ca/wiki/Uncyclopedia:Patented_nonsense [15:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-uncyclopedia.ca | Uncyclopedia:Patented nonsense - Uncyclopedia, the content-free encyclopedia [15:39] *job has quit (Quit: good night zzz) ● Jun 16 [16:02] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@ku7jqenpr6ztw.irc) has joined #techrights [16:07] *alextee (~alextee@p5ururacf4pq4.irc) has joined #techrights [16:17] alextee is this bridged with freenode? [16:27] XRevan86 alextee: yes [16:27] XRevan86 It's harder to tell now that most of the discussion is in here now :3 [16:29] alextee kewl [16:30] DaemonFC https://wgntv.com/news/apple-watches-are-mistakenly-calling-911-police-say/ [16:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wgntv.com | Apple Watches are mistakenly calling 911, police say | WGN-TV [16:43] AdmFubar :D :)) uncyclopedia! [16:47] *stormyknight3000 (~iansutter@9gqzw845fmyjs.irc) has joined #techrights [16:47] DaemonFC Matrix.org isn't federating properly with Freenode right now. [16:48] AdmFubar there was an episode of doctor who about this https://www.insider.com/ai-emotion-recognition-system-tracks-how-happy-chinas-workers-are-2021-6 [16:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.insider.com | An AI 'Emotion-Recognition System' Can Track How 'Happy' Chinese People Are at Work [16:54] AdmFubar https://boingboing.net/2021/06/16/russia-announces-new-plans-to-use-forced-prison-labor-promises-it-wont-be-a-gulag.html [16:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boingboing.net | Russia announces new plans to use forced prison labor, promises it "won't be a gulag" | Boing Boing [16:57] *asusbox (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [16:57] *rianne (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [16:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 29.00 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 25.86 [16:59] activelow techrights snack: https://www.dw.com/en/south-korea-fails-to-tackle-digital-sex-crimes-hrw-says/a-57916343 [16:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-South Korea fails to tackle digital sex crimes, HRW says | News | DW | 16.06.2021 ● Jun 16 [17:00] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [17:00] *DaemonFC` (~daemonfc@ku7jqenpr6ztw.irc) has joined #techrights [17:02] AdmFubar https://www.linux.com/news/what-is-an-sbom/ [17:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-What is an SBOM? - Linux.com [17:07] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@ku7jqenpr6ztw.irc) has joined #techrights [17:09] schestowitz back from Mother Nature... [17:09] schestowitz we fed some sheep and calves [17:11] *MathAmphetamine (~coderain@hcdzgjg37iuk6.irc) has joined #techrights [17:11] MinceR :) [17:12] techrights-bot/fn Mister Fox, we told you not to play with fire.... https://i.redd.it/1cc64qkfvm271.jpg [17:13] techrights-bot/fn Got out tenth screen, will hook it up to assess the usefulness [17:15] schestowitz activelow: it's an international problem [17:15] schestowitz in SK they even prosecute people for ridiculous things online [17:15] schestowitz like 'harassing' k-pop stars [17:15] schestowitz whose suicide rate is very high [17:15] *tr_guest|84464 (~42f47e23@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [17:15] schestowitz AdmFubar: they promote anti-GPL forces [17:16] *tr_guest|84464 has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) [17:17] techrights-bot/fn Of course #apple will never be prosecuted for wasting #police time; it's too deeply connected to and rooted in the state https://wgntv.com/news/apple-watches-are-mistakenly-calling-911-police-say/ [17:18] DaemonFC I think that MARISOL ordered veal at my wedding. [17:19] schestowitz hallmark of sociopathy [17:19] schestowitz unless they're so disconnected on what this 'menu item' comes from [17:19] MinceR or they like food that tastes good [17:19] schestowitz most of us are becoming vegetarian or close to [17:19] schestowitz *it [17:20] schestowitz MinceR: it's expenseive [17:20] schestowitz so it's a class symbol [17:20] schestowitz you kill the toddler before it fully matures [17:20] MinceR i never realized i was upper-class [17:20] *MinceR puts in the monocle [17:20] schestowitz MinceR: you like goulash [17:20] MinceR i do [17:20] schestowitz though afaik, that's things like cow's neck? [17:20] schestowitz not sure [17:20] MinceR not sure [17:21] DaemonFC Unlikely that she'll just drop dead, but you can always hope. [17:21] MinceR real goulash is definitely made with beef [17:21] schestowitz better not find out [17:21] MinceR and not other meat [17:21] schestowitz it might drive you NUTS [17:21] MinceR unlikely [17:21] schestowitz Googlasch [17:21] DaemonFC Yeah, I did kind of find it disconcerting. [17:22] schestowitz MinceR: re landline and speaker phone [17:22] schestowitz many don't have that feature [17:22] schestowitz ours does not [17:22] MinceR i didn't mean speakerphone [17:22] MinceR i thought i read somewhere about a trick that somehow bypassed the hook switch [17:22] schestowitz and to toggle that on remotely when the handset is down, covertly, is almost impossible [17:22] MinceR but i can't find anything about it now [17:22] schestowitz over a mere phoneline [17:23] schestowitz [17:23] --> ChanServ (services@services.freenode.net) has joined this channel. [17:23] schestowitz [17:23] <-- hook54322 (~hook54321@freenode/user/hook54321) has left this server (OperServ (Session limit exceeded)). [17:23] schestowitz [17:23] *** ChanServ gives channel operator privileges to ChanServ. [17:23] schestowitz totally normal [17:24] schestowitz [11:42] netsplit.de reports freenode dropped below top100 https://netsplit.de/networks/history/top10_2021u.png [17:24] schestowitz it will go back up [17:24] schestowitz it probably tracks "old" or "classic" [17:24] schestowitz the real number of online users is likely over 30k [17:25] MinceR 16 182529 [freenode2] -!- Current global users: 27904 Max: 28506 [17:26] schestowitz so I was close, and I guess some people will have to reconfig their clients [17:26] schestowitz as some settings no longer work (I checked many) [17:26] schestowitz also, matrix bridge, kiwiirc etc. [17:32] XRevan86 freenode should still be the second-largest network. [17:32] XRevan86 but the mess can err, mess with the stats [17:35] activelow 30k is marginal with any network involved, if this is the total global population of free/open people online with IRC [17:37] XRevan86 activelow: "if this is the total global population of free/open people online with IRC" it's not [17:37] XRevan86 the biggest network has 37.5K people right now [17:37] XRevan86 and it will grow more [17:38] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [17:38] *DaemonFC` has quit (Quit: Leaving) [17:39] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@h8fc755hip7ee.irc) has joined #techrights [17:40] AdmFubar https://epic.org/2021/06/senator-markey-introduces-bill.html [17:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-epic.org | EPIC - Senator Markey Introduces Bill to Ban Face Surveillance [17:42] AdmFubar https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/samsung-galaxy-devices-exposed-to-vulnerabilities-that-could-have-let-hackers-steal-data-now-fixed-9718421.html [17:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Samsung Galaxy devices were exposed to vulnerabilities that could allow hackers to steal data- Technology News, Firstpost [17:43] AdmFubar https://www.firstpost.com/tech/science/covid-19-virus-moving-faster-than-vaccines-g7-vaccine-pledge-not-enough-who-9718011.html [17:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-COVID-19 virus moving faster than vaccines, G7 vaccine pledge not enough: WHO- Technology News, Firstpost [17:45] schestowitz 10 screens now all lit up in this room [17:46] AdmFubar put some shades and sunscreen on! [17:46] AdmFubar https://www.firstpost.com/tech/science/satellite-images-reveal-ice-shelf-protecting-antarctic-glacier-is-on-the-verge-of-collapse-9715271.html [17:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Satellite images reveal ice shelf protecting Antarctic glacier is on the verge of collapse- Technology News, Firstpost [17:46] techrights-bot/fn Senator Markey Introduces Bill to Ban Face #Surveillance https://epic.org/2021/06/senator-markey-introduces-bill.html [17:50] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #CraigMurray The Decline of Western Power https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2021/06/the-decline-of-western-power/ [17:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.craigmurray.org.uk | The Decline of Western Power - Craig Murray [17:51] AdmFubar https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/06/cutefish-new-linux-desktop-environment [17:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | CuteFish is a New Linux Desktop Environment (with a Familiar Look) - OMG! Ubuntu! [17:52] schestowitz thanks, seen that [17:53] AdmFubar https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/16/3d_paint_vuln/ [17:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | We've found another reason not to use Microsoft's Paint 3D researchers The Register [17:53] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #Techdirt #surveillance #collusion Add #Microsoft And Another Congressional Staffer To The List Of Entities Targeted In Trump DOJ Leak Investigations https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210613/10420246982/add-microsoft-another-congressional-staffer-to-list-entities-targeted-trump-doj-leak-investigations.shtml http://techrights.org/2021/04/04/microsoft-nationalism/ [17:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Add Microsoft And Another Congressional Staffer To The List Of Entities Targeted In Trump DOJ Leak Investigations | Techdirt [17:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft: Nationalism As A Service (NaaS) | Techrights ● Jun 16 [18:02] AdmFubar https://www.alternet.org/2021/06/gop-corruption/ [18:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The corruption that overwhelmed the GOP has reached a crisis point and it's killing people - Alternet.org [18:13] techrights-bot/fn We've found another reason not to use #Microsoft 's Paint 3D researchers https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/16/3d_paint_vuln/ [18:14] *salmon (~pi@xct6ezdtuwuuq.irc) has joined #techrights [18:14] techrights-bot/fn The #corruption that overwhelmed the #GOP has reached a crisis point and it's killing people https://www.alternet.org/2021/06/gop-corruption/ [18:15] schestowitz AdmFubar: thanks, added to Daily Links as well... [18:18] techrights-bot/fn #EndeavourOS almost makes Arch Linux a viable desktop for the average user http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152349 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | EndeavourOS almost makes Arch Linux a viable desktop for the average user | Tux Machines [18:18] techrights-bot/fn Dash to Panel Extension Now Supports #GNOME40 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152351 [18:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Dash to Panel Extension Now Supports GNOME 40 | Tux Machines [18:20] techrights-bot/fn #LibreOffice with Colibre Icons Overview http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152350 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice with Colibre Icons Overview | Tux Machines [18:22] *stormyknight3000 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [18:22] AdmFubar schestowitz y/w [18:24] DaemonFC https://abc7chicago.com/10796846/ [18:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-abc7chicago.com | Illinois energy bill 2021: Policy overhaul that would bail out nuclear, close coal plants stalls in Senate - ABC7 Chicago [18:24] DaemonFC Communist Edison getting another bailout. [18:24] DaemonFC Bigger than the last one, too! [18:25] DaemonFC $1.3 billion dollars total, while ComEd puts inserts in our electric bill about how the state made our electricity affordable. [18:25] AdmFubar that was tried in ohio too... all sorts of shit hit the fan there from the fallout. [18:32] DaemonFC "offering a $4,000 rebate for electric vehicle buyers" [18:32] DaemonFC Welfare for the rich. [18:33] DaemonFC Congratulations, you get to pay gas tax to buy some rich asshole a car. [18:35] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #Techdirt # Nintendo Hates You And The Company Most Certainly Does Not Want You To Co-Stream 'Nintendo Direct' https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210615/09581446996/nintendo-hates-you-company-most-certainly-does-not-want-you-to-co-stream-nintendo-direct.shtml [18:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Nintendo Hates You And The Company Most Certainly Does Not Want You To Co-Stream 'Nintendo Direct' | Techdirt [18:37] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [18:37] techrights-bot/fn "Is it possible to view Gemini blogs/gmi files offline without a server ?" Of course, as it is possible with Web (HTML) files. https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006702.html [18:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | Gemini Digest, Vol 23, Issue 25 [18:38] techrights-bot/fn NFT hype/bubble https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006699.html [18:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | A proposal to fund the Gemini project [18:42] schestowitz https://www.treehugger.com/not-your-average-cow-most-exceptional-cattle-breeds-4864093 [18:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.treehugger.com | 10 of the Most Exceptional Cattle Breeds [18:46] schestowitz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jub5Z6DMc7U [18:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Adorable and Fluffy Highland Calves - Cute Baby Cattles Compilation - YouTube [18:50] AdmFubar aawww they look a lil bit like a yak [18:50] schestowitz yeah [18:50] schestowitz we saw some today [18:50] schestowitz they're adorable [18:50] schestowitz the young ones [18:51] techrights-bot/fn #AMD EPYC 7343 / EPYC 7443 Linux Performance Review http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152352 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | AMD EPYC 7343 / EPYC 7443 Linux Performance Review | Tux Machines [18:52] AdmFubar https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2021/06/16/identity-management-security/ [18:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.helpnetsecurity.com | Identity management is now mostly about security - Help Net Security [18:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 26.26 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 29.76 ● Jun 16 [19:06] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/21061131 [19:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (5549998) [19:24] AdmFubar https://www.voanews.com/south-central-asia/indian-government-standoff-twitter-over-online-speech [19:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.voanews.com | Indian Government in Standoff with Twitter Over Online Speech | Voice of America - English [19:53] MinceR (cat) https://ircz.de/p/21051445 [19:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (5457127) [19:54] *salmon has quit (Quit: leaving) [19:55] *hawthorn (~hawthorn@xct6ezdtuwuuq.irc) has joined #techrights ● Jun 16 [20:18] AdmFubar https://boingboing.net/2021/06/16/tomorrow-is-the-75th-anniversary-of-the-first-mobile-phone-call.html?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=tomorrow-is-the-75th-anniversary-of-the-first-mobile-phone-call [20:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boingboing.net | Tomorrow is the 75th anniversary of the first mobile phone call | Boing Boing [20:34] sebsebseb/fn schestowitz: ping [20:59] MinceR https://img.pr0gramm.com/2021/05/20/6233a8768d7362d5.jpg [20:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 30.58 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 20.46 ● Jun 16 [21:55] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@efh3kvaiwikn8.irc) has joined #techrights ● Jun 16 [22:00] DaemonFC https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Get%20Woke%2C%20Go%20Broke [22:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.urbandictionary.com | Urban Dictionary: Get Woke, Go Broke [22:00] DaemonFC https://thepostmillennial.com/get-woke-go-broke-disney-revenues-plummet-after-woke-corporate-culture-revealed [22:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thepostmillennial.com | GET WOKE, GO BROKE: Disney revenue PLUMMETS after woke corporate culture revealed | The Post Millennial [22:01] DaemonFC They're blaming it on "lack of workers" for their parks. [22:01] immibis could it possibly have anything to do with covid? [22:02] DaemonFC Doubt it. [22:03] DaemonFC All of these companies that are paying dearly for appeasing the far left and losers who don't even spend money there are blaming COVID for their sagging profits. [22:07] DaemonFC https://tomluongo.me/2021/04/12/woke-coke-goes-for-broke-destroying-its-brand/ [22:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tomluongo.me | Woke-a-Cola: How to Destroy a World-Leading Brand in 60 Seconds - Gold Goats 'n Guns [22:07] DaemonFC "Companies like Coke dont get it. Their management, just like our politicians, live in bubbles too far removed from their customers to have any sense for what theyre feeling." [22:08] DaemonFC Shaming people for "being white" isn't going to help their sales. Many people didn't notice, but I did, and that was the end of Coke for me whenever I do buy a soda. [22:08] *KindOne_ (~KindOne@dsbzyanc3e3b6.irc) has joined #techrights [22:08] MinceR lol [22:09] AdmFubar 2xlol [22:10] DaemonFC "It takes a village to raise an idiot." I like that one. [22:12] DaemonFC I'm such a perfectionist that I've noticed I don't tolerate a car that's half a degree out of alignment. [22:12] DaemonFC Meanwhile, people around me drive things that have broken suspensions to the point where an entire axle has collapsed and the wheels are pointing out at 45 degree angles from each other. [22:13] DaemonFC The next bump they hit could be the last. [22:13] MinceR lol [22:13] MinceR maybe half a degree out of alignment already has noticeable effects? [22:14] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:14] DaemonFC Yeah, I got my front struts replaced last week and then the wheel had to be tilted a bit to the left to make the car go straight. So I called the shop and said, "Hey, I had an alignment right after that tie rod job in April.". [22:15] DaemonFC He goes, "Yeah." I said, "Don't you guarantee those for 60 days?" He said they did. So their machine was down and I had to drive the car like that for a couple days. But they did a new alignment on it today and didn't charge me. [22:15] DaemonFC The old struts were worn down the last time they aligned it and so with new struts the car was sitting like an inch or two higher. [22:15] DaemonFC :/ [22:16] DaemonFC One of the old ones was finally so far gone it was making a popping noise when I drove over bumps. [22:17] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [22:36] cubeman_/fn bl.sh [22:45] *KindOne_ has quit (connection closed) ● Jun 16 [23:11] *sebsebsebseb (~sebastian@6w5gf8vefm278.irc) has joined #techrights [23:11] sebsebsebseb [23:12] sebsebsebseb uhmmm think i registed the wrong seb name on her or did I [23:13] lightbringer/fn 3 sebs [23:13] XRevan86 4 sebs [23:13] XRevan86 sebsebsebseb: Ye can drop it [23:13] MinceR sebsebseb is registered on freenode [23:14] MinceR oh, i looked at the wrong network [23:14] MinceR sebsebseb is registered here [23:15] MinceR sebs 1 through 4 aren't registered on freenode :> [23:23] sebsebsebseb it should be three seb's here registerd [23:23] sebsebsebseb but looks like may of registered the one with four [23:23] sebsebsebseb and i tried to get into three and no [23:23] sebsebsebseb XRevan86: yes a bit confusing it can be now, with the amount of networks :D [23:23] sebsebsebseb XRevan86: instead of just well Freenode [23:25] sebsebsebseb schestowitz: what you think of the new GB News, seen aything to do with that ? [23:31] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #Techdirt #FCC Consumer Groups Get Punchy As Biden Team Lags On Staffing FCC, Restoring #NetNeutrality https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210614/07272846987/consumer-groups-get-punchy-as-biden-team-lags-staffing-fcc-restoring-net-neutrality.shtml [23:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Consumer Groups Get Punchy As Biden Team Lags On Staffing FCC, Restoring Net Neutrality | Techdirt [23:32] techrights-bot/fn #Freenode needs to explain what the hell happened this week and why communities that make up the network werent informed or consulted http://techrights.org/2021/06/16/techrights-statement-on-irc/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/16/techrights-statement-on-irc/ [23:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Statement on IRC | Techrights [23:33] XRevan86 Is freenode still about the projects? [23:34] Ariadne freenode is about shitposting [23:35] kaniini/fn heh [23:36] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@7uk5b22jumd76.irc) has joined #techrights [23:36] DaemonFC I almost screwed up my account earlier. [23:36] XRevan86 I actually went to look for answering and I think I found them exactly where I expected them to be [23:36] XRevan86 https://web.archive.org/web/20210603195553/https://freenode.net/policies https://freenode.net/policies [23:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | The Policies - freenode [23:36] DaemonFC I was playing around seeing how long my password could be. It turns out the IRC server does support 128 character passwords, but HexChat just lops them off somewhere along the way and you get invalid password when you log in. [23:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net | The Policies - freenode [23:37] XRevan86 check this out [23:37] DaemonFC 64 characters seems to work. [23:37] XRevan86 All the project-oriented policies are pretty much gone. [23:37] Ariadne all of this SBOM compliance stuff is awful btw [23:37] Ariadne re: earlier link [23:37] Ariadne i've looked at anchore and a bunch of other solutions (including the really shit black duck one) [23:37] XRevan86 Which aligns well with the actions that we've seen that looked completely disregarding of the projects. [23:38] XRevan86 I.e. freenode is a fundamentally different network than Libera and OFTC right now. [23:39] MinceR "I was attacked by some idiot in the projects" [23:39] techrights-bot/fn Stable Kernels: 5.12.11, 5.10.44, 5.4.126, 4.19.195, 4.14.237, 4.9.273 , and 4.4.273 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152353 [23:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Stable Kernels: 5.12.11, 5.10.44, 5.4.126, 4.19.195, 4.14.237, 4.9.273 , and 4.4.273 | Tux Machines [23:40] MinceR "So dumb, so dumb, so dumb, so" [23:40] DaemonFC "I was attacked by some idiot in the projects" [23:40] DaemonFC I too lived in South Chicago. [23:40] MinceR lol [23:40] techrights-bot/fn Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152354 [23:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [23:40] MinceR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMtZfW2z9dw [23:40] DaemonFC Did you enjoy Jeffery Sub at least? [23:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-BED INTRUDER SONG!!! - YouTube [23:40] XRevan86 I think that also means that ## is obsolete [23:40] techrights-bot/fn #Firefox 89.0.1 Released to Improve WebRender Performance, Fix Scrollbars on GTK Themes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152355 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [23:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Firefox 89.0.1 Released to Improve WebRender Performance, Fix Scrollbars on GTK Themes | Tux Machines [23:40] MinceR seems so [23:41] DaemonFC Firefox's password manager doesn't make you do anything to reveal a password. [23:41] techrights-bot/fn #elementaryOS 6 Beta 2 Polishes the Installer UI, Adds More Flatpak Apps http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152356 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [23:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | elementary OS 6 Beta 2 Polishes the Installer UI, Adds More Flatpak Apps | Tux Machines [23:41] DaemonFC Chromium browsers all seem to support your Windows PIN or fingerprint before displaying it. [23:42] DaemonFC "Gillette, Nike and Nascar: GO WOKE, GO BROKE!" [23:42] DaemonFC Nike might make it out of that one. [23:42] DaemonFC You have to be a special kind of stupid to pay the premium for that. [23:43] techrights-bot/fn Indian Government in Standoff with Twitter Over Online Speech https://www.voanews.com/south-central-asia/indian-government-standoff-twitter-over-online-speech #india #socialcontrolmedia [23:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.voanews.com | Indian Government in Standoff with Twitter Over Online Speech | Voice of America - English [23:43] DaemonFC A $20 pair of shoes at Walmart are junk. A $80 pair of Nikes are equally crap. [23:43] DaemonFC The problem here is that putting a brand on something means you can charge more even at the low end. [23:44] DaemonFC So while your low end product's capabilities are not 4 times better, and your product isn't 4 times as durable, you can charge 4 times more for it. [23:44] DaemonFC iPod Shuffles routinely sold for more than the price of a Sandisk Sansa, despite the fact that the Shuffle didn't even have a screen so that you could see what you were playing, or support for expandable storage. [23:45] XRevan86 Crystalmath: Does freenode still employ namespaces? Not why it would need them. [23:46] XRevan86 * Not sure why [23:46] DaemonFC MinceR, Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles explains why MP3 persists with a quick summary of the Turing Test. [23:47] DaemonFC John tells Cameron in one episode that her behavior is weird (creeping out humans occasionally) and she replies, "I fooled you....". [23:48] DaemonFC If you think about it, a killer cyborg really only has to be human-like enough to get up close for a few seconds, normally. [23:48] MinceR some humans are weird too [23:48] XRevan86 has *any* project stayed on freenode? I'm curious if there's even one [23:48] DaemonFC How much do we really know about anyone we've just met? [23:48] MinceR neovim stayed [23:48] MinceR i think [23:49] DaemonFC Freenode is finished, I guess. [23:49] MinceR and now i can't check because the ircd died _again_ [23:49] XRevan86 MinceR: Interesting [23:49] MinceR 17 004821 [freenode2] -!- Irssi: Unable to connect server irc.freenode.net port 6667 [Connection refused] [23:49] MinceR oh, also, doomsday stayed too, iirc [23:49] XRevan86 MinceR: try chat.freenode.net [23:49] XRevan86 MinceR: I don't have faith in irc.freenode.net [23:49] DaemonFC They managed to make sure that the FSF and SeaMonkey left by taking over the channel and booting everyone out. [23:49] MinceR irc.freenode.net is an alias for chat.freenode.net. [23:50] DaemonFC People see this and they don't wait around for it to happen to them. [23:50] DaemonFC It sends a message. [23:50] techrights-bot/fn Today (or yestersay), more than 1% of Brits who got tested, and over 9k, were positive for #covid19 ... there will be a lock-down at some stage the way things are going... [23:50] MinceR they also managed to make sure bedrock left when the topic said we were unsure about moving, by freenodecom taking over [23:51] *tr_guest|8019 (~51bbbf9b@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [23:51] *schestowitz woke up [23:52] sebsebsebseb MinceR: here's a inteesging tablet https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/06/jingos-crowdfunding-campaign-is-live [23:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | JingPad Linux Tablet Crowdfunding Campaign is Now Live - OMG! Ubuntu! [23:52] sebsebsebseb schestowitz: have you folowed any of the recent stuff to do with gb news etc ? [23:52] sebsebsebseb no ? [23:52] sebsebsebseb and coop still aderiging there, but some people not happy about something, not sure quite [23:52] MinceR salix didn't say anything about moving but there were very few people there [23:53] DaemonFC Self-inflicted death of Freenode. [23:53] sebsebseb/fn hi this is techrights on Freenode [23:53] sebsebseb/fn and so not quite dead :D [23:53] DaemonFC Andrew Lee is gonna be King of Shit when he's finished driving out the rest of the logged-in users in about a month or so. [23:53] MinceR afaict 0G didn't move either [23:54] *tr_guest|8019 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [23:55] XRevan86 sebsebsebseb: It's not "not operational" dead [23:55] XRevan86 sebsebsebseb: Just dead as everything freenode was about. [23:55] XRevan86 not the same thing [23:56] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:57] sebsebsebseb XRevan86: yep [23:59] MinceR afaik ROS didn't move either [23:59] MinceR of course it's possible that some or all of these were unofficial to begin with [23:59] MinceR similarly to how slackware's entire IRC presence is unofficial