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● Sep 16
[00:00]	TR News	Mozilla "valuing privacy" should actually be considered a joke http://techrights.org/2022/09/10/mozilla-three-letter-agencies/
[00:00]	TR Bot	 Mozilla Hired Top-Level Managers Directly From the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), Can They Be Trusted on Privacy? | Techrights
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[00:02]	TR News	Rust is not about security; Rust itself is a security risk https://blog.rust-lang.org/2022/09/15/const-eval-safety-rule-revision.html
[00:02]	TR Bot	 Const Eval (Un)Safety Rules | Rust Blog
[00:02]	TR News	More complexity, more bugs, more threats to security
[00:03]	TR News	Mozilla is heavy and bloated already, as the Web itself has come to require very heavy and bloated browsers that act more like VMs, not rendering engines https://blog.mozilla.org/performance/2022/09/15/a-different-perspective/
[00:03]	TR Bot	 A different perspective Mozilla Performance
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[00:04]	TR News	...there's no way to "fix" the Web; it needs to be abandoned and we need to start over
[00:05]	TR News	Mozilla and privacy = LOL http://techrights.org/2020/06/25/mozilla-comcast/
[00:05]	TR Bot	 Mozilla Shames Itself and Harms Its Reputation by Stating That Comcast Has Taken Major Steps to Protect Customer Privacy | Techrights
[00:05]	TR News	Mozilla makes software that connects you, the user, and loads of spying ("advertising") parties
[00:06]	mixling	i don't know, linux-2.4, even this seems slightly overloaded already, at that time linux had grown rather fat already
[00:07]	mixling	and, ACPI, meh... i always hated this
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[00:07]	mixling	problem, earlier kernels, aren't known to support: USB
[00:11]	mixling	i can live with USB1.X speeds, and some PATA IDE at 16MiB/s
[00:13]	schestowitz[TR]	many things won't connect
[00:13]	schestowitz[TR]	what's it all for?
[00:13]	schestowitz[TR]	usb = 90s
[00:13]	mixling	usb = linux-2.4, and linux-2.4 was rather fat already
[00:14]	schestowitz[TR]	usb is also fat
[00:14]	mixling	whatever it's for
[00:14]	mixling	usb1.x wasn't as bas as later ones
[00:14]	mixling	*bad
[00:15]	mixling	the german-language wikipedia documents the linux version history with some details
[00:15]	mixling	including: year, lines-of-code(!!!), binary size, important features
[00:16]	schestowitz[TR]	i'm not evenm sure you can access the full protocl/docs without signing NDA
[00:16]	schestowitz[TR]	and it's patented
[00:16]	mixling	usb1.x? it's documented at opencores.org, and too some intel spec sheets are available, and too linux kernel implements it
[00:16]	mixling	opencores.org hasn't got usb2 btw... 
[00:17]	schestowitz[TR]	we have usb 4.x soon
[00:17]	schestowitz[TR]	usb 1.0 patents will have expired by now
[00:17]	mixling	scheiss
[00:17]	mixling	ethernet 100Mbps is good enough, for a very long time ahead
[00:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	this is why we need free hardware
[00:18]	DaemonFC	USB 2 patents too probably, or soon.
[00:18]	mixling	usb1.x, 10/100Mbps ethernet, see opencores.org, what's available and what isn't
[00:18]	schestowitz[TR]	some very iold hardware can be gratis-free
[00:18]	schestowitz[TR]	people will tell you
[00:18]	schestowitz[TR]	"it's here, you can just take it away"
[00:19]	mixling	however, linux-2.4 already, was too fat, it exploded already at that time
[00:19]	mixling	linux 2.0 was much better, already got SMP, no USB :(
[00:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	not gratis
[00:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	5 freedom hardware
[00:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-16.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[00:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	freedom to use, study, share, modify (and remove) freely
[00:20]	mixling	https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_(Kernel)#Versionsgeschichte_bis_Version_2.6
[00:20]	TR Bot	 Linux (Kernel) Wikipedia
[00:21]	mixling	linux-2.0) 700.000LoC, 2.4) 3.000.000LoC 2.6) 8.000.000LoC
[00:22]	XRevan86	mixling: Consider excluding drivers from the count.
[00:23]	mixling	nowadays, we're at >30.000.000LoC
[00:23]	mixling	plus hundreds of Megs of firmware
[00:24]	TR News	Maybe it's not sexist, but certainly seems borderline pedo https://www.davidrevoy.com/article926/pleroma-tan
[00:24]	TR Bot	 Pleroma-tan - David Revoy
[00:24]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/today_s_howtos.4.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/today_s_howtos.4.gmi 
[00:24]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
[00:25]	DaemonFC	The rail strike was avoided at the last minute and Biden is celebrating.
[00:25]	schestowitz[TR]	so it means they got what they want
[00:25]	DaemonFC	All it means is that the country's economy doesn't collapse immediately instead of longer term.
[00:25]	schestowitz[TR]	unions work
[00:25]	mixling	linux-2.4 and linux-5.x are, almost on par with _relevant_ features and hardware support
[00:25]	schestowitz[TR]	we need more unions
[00:25]	schestowitz[TR]	take back control
[00:26]	DaemonFC	Yeah, they can threaten the country with economic collapse every year.
[00:26]	DaemonFC	That'll help.
[00:26]	schestowitz[TR]	good
[00:26]	schestowitz[TR]	at least they get better pay
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[00:26]	schestowitz[TR]	all the capital in the USA fell into offshore accounts
[00:26]	DaemonFC	Which means higher shipping costs, which means more inflation.
[00:26]	schestowitz[TR]	of men who fly dodgy planes
[00:26]	schestowitz[TR]	see USSR
[00:26]	schestowitz[TR]	its capital ended up in "oligarchs'" accounts
[00:27]	schestowitz[TR]	the US does not use the same term/'word
[00:27]	XRevan86	mixling: "linux-2.4 and linux-5.x are, almost on par with _relevant_ features and hardware support" <- Don't forget to add "to my very specific needs".
[00:27]	schestowitz[TR]	but it's the same thing
[00:27]	XRevan86	mixling: Your statements look way too universal when they really aren't.
[00:27]	schestowitz[TR]	DaemonFC: that should mean greedy pigs at the top accepting lower profit margins
[00:27]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe even corprorate losses
[00:27]	schestowitz[TR]	they moght - gasp -- need to pull back money from Caymen, Bermuda, and Ireland
[00:28]	schestowitz[TR]	*might * Cayman
[00:28]	mixling	XRevan86: 99% of what's loaded into Linux kernel is useless shit
[00:28]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe Microsoft should be bailed out using Gates' moneyh
[00:28]	schestowitz[TR]	in Cayman
[00:29]	schestowitz[TR]	not using TAXPAYERS' molney
[00:29]	schestowitz[TR]	tax-paying citizens who were already robbed by Microsoft
[00:29]	XRevan86	mixling: Most people use just N% of the kernel code, but all of them use a different sample of that code.
[00:29]	schestowitz[TR]	it's actually worse
[00:29]	schestowitz[TR]	they buy back their own shares
[00:30]	schestowitz[TR]	and let the other rich lazy-arse people (no job) grab the capital
[00:30]	schestowitz[TR]	at the expense of everyone else
[00:30]	schestowitz[TR]	to prop up these fictional valued
[00:30]	schestowitz[TR]	*values
[00:31]	TR News	Kubernetes 1.25: Two Features for Apps Rollouts Graduate to Stable https://kubernetes.io/blog/2022/09/15/app-rollout-features-reach-stable/
[00:31]	TR Bot	 Kubernetes 1.25: Two Features for Apps Rollouts Graduate to Stable | Kubernetes
[00:31]	mixling	ok, this is the reasoning:
[00:31]	XRevan86	mixling: The rock inside my laptop from which I type this message is Intel Ivy Bridge, so do I need all the AMD or Qualcomm or MediaTek stuff in Linux? No. Nor do I need Intel Sandy Bridge support nor Intel Kady Lake or something.
[00:31]	mixling	1) there is no way forward anymore, beyond gcc47 toolchain, and i am not willing to nor interested in update kernel beyond v5.10 anymore
[00:32]	XRevan86	^ nobody cares
[00:32]	mixling	there isn't any reasonable upgrade-path with "free software" anymore
[00:32]	mixling	2) the alternative apporach, given the horrible situation nowadays, is a roll-back, downgrade
[00:32]	mixling	with tcc-toolchain, for the sake of it
[00:32]	mixling	and the most relevant target is the linux-2.4 era
[00:33]	XRevan86	^ dysfunctional pile of trash
[00:33]	schestowitz[TR]	by your standards, everything is tainted
[00:33]	mixling	however, that's still relevant effort and work to do
[00:33]	mixling	and i consider linux-2.4 too fat already
[00:34]	schestowitz[TR]	"[Note: I am no longer working on TCC. Check the mailing list to get up to date information.]
[00:34]	schestowitz[TR]	"
[00:34]	schestowitz[TR]	https://bellard.org/tcc/
[00:34]	XRevan86	Effort to make something that would work on less hardware than ReactOS.
[00:34]	TR Bot	 TCC : Tiny C Compiler
[00:34]	schestowitz[TR]	"Copyright (c) 2001-2018 Fabrice Bellard
[00:34]	schestowitz[TR]	using unmaintained software?
[00:34]	schestowitz[TR]	way to go
[00:34]	mixling	i think tcc-toolchain is in better shape than any of the GCC versions currently
[00:34]	schestowitz[TR]	https://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/tinycc-devel/2022-08/index.html
[00:34]	TR Bot	 tinycc-devel (date)
[00:34]	XRevan86	schestowitz: I've already given him examples of tiny C compilers that are actively developed, but because no one's even attempted to build any version of Linux with them, activelow disregards them.
[00:35]	mixling	XRevan86: tcc contains more than a C-compiler, it's a complete toolchain including binutils, assembler
[00:35]	XRevan86	But realistically those "alternatives" are only viable when compared to TCC, and that's not a good standard.
[00:35]	schestowitz[TR]	"There are 76936 lines (including headers). 1950947 lines (67.2 MBytes) are compiled because the same headers are included in many files. TinyCC is about 9 times faster than GCC."
[00:35]	XRevan86	mixling: That's useless.
[00:36]	schestowitz[TR]	"
[00:36]	schestowitz[TR]	FAST! tcc generates x86 code"
[00:36]	schestowitz[TR]	x86
[00:36]	schestowitz[TR]	just activelow's cup of tea
[00:36]	schestowitz[TR]	with PSP and ME
[00:36]	schestowitz[TR]	"USA!!"
[00:36]	mixling	tcc too supports ARM
[00:36]	mixling	and yes, i am not happy with any of this
[00:37]	mixling	it's all closed-source malice made in USA, or UK with ARM
[00:37]	mixling	that's why, rolling-back to linux v2.4???
[00:39]	schestowitz[TR]	how to compile  it?
[00:39]	schestowitz[TR]	old gcc?
[00:41]	mixling	the relevant GCC versions are, unmaintained
[00:41]	mixling	not sure why XRevan86 complains about TCC instead
[00:42]	mixling	linux-2.4 requires year2038 patching for 32bit targets
[00:43]	XRevan86	mixling: I could complain about GCC 4.7 having a terrible code analyser (warning generator) compared to contemporary Clang and to modern GCC, but at least it's a competent compiler that builds optimised/performant code.
[00:44]	mixling	cannot complain about warnings emitted with gcc-4.7, for C-code it seems to suffice, i am not interested in C++ brain cancer
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[00:44]	mixling	alltogether, the entire GNU-toolchain and GNU-buildsystem suck
[00:45]	mixling	i want to get rid of those with a roll-back to linux-2.4
[00:45]	mixling	mes-libc/toybox-userspace/linux-2.4/tcc-toolchain
[00:45]	TR News	"Trivial promotion from VALVE, just rename enums and types." https://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/?id=f5b46a643f17000f57e3caf9d11d1d46fe318923
[00:45]	TR Bot	 mesa/mesa - The Mesa 3D Graphics Library (mirrored from https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa)
[00:46]	mixling	a bunch of suckless components and things, which don't require GNU autotools/automake
[00:46]	TR News	Department of Commerce Gives Industry What it asked for Regarding the Entity List - ConsortiumInfo.orgConsortiumInfo.org https://www.consortiuminfo.org/china/department-of-commerce-gives-industry-what-it-asked-for-regarding-the-entity-list/ Source: | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.consortiuminfo.org/china/department-of-commerce-gives-industry-what-it-asked-for-regarding-the-entity-
[00:46]	TR Bot	of Commerce Gives Industry What it asked for Regarding the Entity List - ConsortiumInfo.orgConsortiumInfo.org
[00:47]	mixling	ok, just decided...
[00:47]	mixling	i got the gcc47 c-only profile frozen/archived
[00:48]	TR News	"NVIDIA helped lead the creation of the Vulkan SC 1.0 API and is now shipping production drivers on its NVIDIA DRIVE and NVIDIA Jetson platforms." Debian GNU/Linux https://developer.nvidia.com/blog/using-vulkan-sc-for-safety-critical-graphics-and-real-time-gpu-processing/
[00:48]	TR Bot	 Using Vulkan SC for Safety-Critical Graphics and Real-time GPU Processing | NVIDIA Technical Blog
[00:48]	mixling	and will simply try, and see how far i'll get with the tcc-toolchain/linux-2.4 profile, as a nice-to-have
[00:48]	mixling	i know with absolute certainty: no more upgrades/updates beyond kernel v5.10/gcc47 etc
[00:49]	schestowitz[TR]	this work is pointless
[00:49]	schestowitz[TR]	you ue defective old kernel
[00:49]	schestowitz[TR]	with flaws
[00:49]	schestowitz[TR]	and for what?
[00:49]	schestowitz[TR]	security? no
[00:49]	schestowitz[TR]	freedom? hardly
[00:49]	schestowitz[TR]	you nee dto define your aims
[00:49]	mixling	the most recent hardware which linux-6.x will support, that's all UEFI/Plutin shitware
[00:50]	mixling	schestowitz[TR]: with the kernel-version here i removed all UEFI entirely
[00:50]	schestowitz[TR]	you can just download a very old distro
[00:50]	schestowitz[TR]	with linux 2.4
[00:50]	mixling	the criteria are all defined and hammered into stone
[00:50]	schestowitz[TR]	you can find old isos online
[00:50]	mixling	schestowitz[TR]: no, i can't
[00:51]	schestowitz[TR]	just don't plug them to the Net
[00:51]	mixling	because i do use a most-recent portage tree synched from upstream
[00:51]	mixling	and too, SSL/TLS, require attention... to navigate some IRC/WWW/Mail
[00:52]	mixling	i'll integrate bearssl/libtls-bearssl
[00:52]	schestowitz[TR]	I tried to build bearssl on debian 10 and failed
[00:52]	schestowitz[TR]	depedency hell
[00:53]	schestowitz[TR]	I wanted tocompile gmni
[00:53]	mixling	tested bearssel, with my irc-client, no problems... works nicely
[00:54]	mixling	anyway, i don't want to waste any more time
[00:54]	TR News	Simon Ser: Status update, September 2022 https://emersion.fr/blog/2022/status-update-45/
[00:54]	TR Bot	 Status update, September 2022 emersion
[00:55]	TR News	 (NEW): Peropesis 1.7: odyssey continues http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Peropesis_1_7_odyssey_continues.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Peropesis_1_7_odyssey_continues.gmi 
[00:55]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Peropesis 1.7: odyssey continues
[00:56]	TR News	Auto Contrast on Librem 5 smartphones - Purism https://puri.sm/posts/auto-contrast-on-librem-5-smartphones/ Source: Purism | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//puri.sm/posts/auto-contrast-on-librem-5-smartphones/
[00:56]	TR Bot	 Auto Contrast on Librem 5 smartphones Purism
[00:56]	psydruid	https://www.techpowerup.com/248827/asus-z390-motherboards-automatically-push-software-into-your-windows-installation
[00:56]	psydruid	malware in your hardware
[00:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 11.91 k/sec., IPFS upstream 93.40 average k/sec., average swarm size 155.75
[00:59]	mixling	i mean, patching linux-2.4 for year2038, rebuilding an entire distro on top of this kernel, with tcc-toolchain, that's alot of work
[00:59]	mixling	regular maintenance requirement will be lower
● Sep 16
[01:00]	mixling	no kernel updates, no toolchain updates, no browser updates... none of this
[01:01]	mixling	in any case, with the web-browser i got, i couldn't at least online job portals, online banking, gafam crap, newspapers etc.
[01:02]	mixling	i don't miss any of this, it's the social-surrounding which dictates some rubbish on linkedin defined the labor market requirements for Telco and Engineering and Science
[01:02]		*mixling pukes
[01:14]	starstreak	apparently firefox doesn't work so well when you have something using 100% cpu and 10GB ram
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[01:18]	techuser	hi
[01:19]	bnchs	hi h4x0r
[01:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-16.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[01:24]	bnchs	techuser: how are you
[01:25]	techuser	I'm accepted into university, waiting until education starts there
[01:26]	techuser	unless I already mentioned it here and you know
[01:26]	TR News	12 minutes in, forcing footballers who aren't English to have one minute of silence for Liz II https://www.mancity.com/citytv/mens/inside-city-episode-407-63798677
[01:26]	TR Bot	 Inside City 407: Victory in Seville and a visit from David Silva!
[01:26]	schestowitz[TR]	bnchs: 0/
[01:27]	schestowitz[TR]	techuser: good news, which discipline?
[01:27]	techuser	computer science
[01:27]	DaemonFC	Every bank or credit card statement has at least one page on how to avoid paying interest or how to balance your checkbook that's the same on every statement.
[01:27]	schestowitz[TR]	cool!
[01:27]	techuser	"programmer"
[01:27]	schestowitz[TR]	I did the same
[01:27]	schestowitz[TR]	aged 18
[01:28]	DaemonFC	I have to send out about 80-90 statements to immigration.
[01:28]	techuser	my parents think programming is profitable. I don't care much about future now though
[01:28]	DaemonFC	So I'm reprinting them back to PDF in Firefox without that page.
[01:28]	techuser	I will never be happy no matter what I do anyway, so why bother
[01:28]	DaemonFC	My God, how tedious.
[01:28]	TR News	CISA Adds Six Known Exploited Vulnerabilities to Catalog https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/09/15/cisa-adds-six-known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog
[01:28]	TR Bot	 CISA Adds Six Known Exploited Vulnerabilities to Catalog | CISA
[01:29]	DaemonFC	But that should save about $20 in printing costs.
[01:29]	TR News	I was forced to eat... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqsaPn2yz7A Marcel Gagne from Linux Journal...
[01:29]	TR Bot	https://invidious.osi.kr/watch?v=fqsaPn2yz7A
[01:29]	TR Bot	( status 502 @ https://invidious.osi.kr/watch?v=fqsaPn2yz7A )
[01:30]	techuser	things just keep getting worse. Idk what to do irl, and computers are getting ruined by capitalism.
[01:30]	schestowitz[TR]	<techuser> my parents think programming is profitable. I don't care much about future now though
[01:30]	schestowitz[TR]	profitable is not important
[01:31]	schestowitz[TR]	what's important if whether you will enjoy it
[01:31]	techuser	I think I will enjoy nothing anymore
[01:31]	techuser	so probably doesn't matter
[01:31]	schestowitz[TR]	if you want help with stuff, let us know
[01:31]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe we can help
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[01:31]	mixling	techuser: why wouldn't you, enyoy nothing anymore?
[01:31]	techuser	I don't understand "help". Things are bad. I maybe can get brainwashed to not see it.
[01:31]	schestowitz[TR]	(with degree-related stuff)
[01:32]	techuser	but is it "help"?
[01:32]	techuser	oh, thought you mean with mental health
[01:32]	schestowitz[TR]	that too
[01:32]	schestowitz[TR]	anyway, we're here...
[01:32]	TR News	 (NEW): Security Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/16/Security_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/16/Security_Leftovers.gmi 
[01:32]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Security Leftovers
[01:32]	techuser	mixling: because I enjoyed computers when I was a child and I didn't bother about real life much. Then it turned out computers are shit. I had no fallbacks.
[01:33]	schestowitz[TR]	sometimes you need to focus on something like a project
[01:33]	schestowitz[TR]	and then that helps you forget about things that bother you
[01:33]	schestowitz[TR]	because you are too occupied
[01:34]	mixling	techuser: ever programmed?
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[01:34]	schestowitz[TR]	real life isn't necessarily greta either
[01:34]	schestowitz[TR]	ReaLife(TM)
[01:35]	schestowitz[TR]	showing offo to arseholes
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[01:36]	TR News	That's just outsourcing. And AWS is PROPRIETARY software. https://ubuntu.com//blog/why-enterprises-choose-ubuntu-on-aws
[01:36]	TR Bot	Enterprises Choose Canonical Ubuntu on AWS | Ubuntu
[01:36]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], I have a hell of a project.
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[01:36]	DaemonFC	The hell of being consigned to menial labor. Reprinting these fucking bank statements where the bank sent 8 pages to tell you 4 pages worth of stuff.
[01:36]	DaemonFC	It costs 19 cents a page in black and white, so....
[01:36]	bnchs	oh yeah i forgot
[01:36]	bnchs	queen died
[01:37]	DaemonFC	I could have had paper statements on, but then mail theft. :P
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[01:38]	TR News	Microsoft, Amazon, GAFAM... Canonical devoted to outsourcing to the US. While registered in London. Do you want that?? https://ubuntu.com/blog/author/cerolia-k
[01:38]	TR Bot	Kim | Ubuntu
[01:38]	schestowitz[TR]	hi cuddlybear66 
[01:38]	techuser	she is likely not here, just bouncer restart
[01:38]	schestowitz[TR]	bnchs: I think COVID played a rolwe
[01:38]	schestowitz[TR]	but the media won't say that
[01:39]	schestowitz[TR]	we're meant to think it's old and not important
[01:39]	schestowitz[TR]	https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/15/british-hospitals-stats/
[01:39]	TR Bot	Blog Archive Without Masks and Social Distancing COVID-19 Puts About 8 Times As Many People in British Hospitals
[01:39]	schestowitz[TR]	many people still died
[01:39]	schestowitz[TR]	some had their health conditions worsened
[01:39]	schestowitz[TR]	a million patients with COVID-19
[01:40]	schestowitz[TR]	many left with scars and neural/nerve problems
[01:40]	schestowitz[TR]	and from what I hear, some left with side effect from the vaccines too
[01:40]	schestowitz[TR]	but now it's all about the impending ffuneral
[01:40]	schestowitz[TR]	nobody talks about COVID-19 here anymore
[01:42]	schestowitz[TR]	"We learned to live it" = we came to stop caring about deaths of vulnerable people
[01:42]	mixling	everyone will die
[01:43]	mixling	the queen died at age 96
[01:43]	schestowitz[TR]	some sooner
[01:43]	schestowitz[TR]	you smoke a lot
[01:43]	schestowitz[TR]	she could live past 100
[01:43]	schestowitz[TR]	seems she and her husband deteriorated faster
[01:43]	schestowitz[TR]	with covid-19 infections
[01:43]	schestowitz[TR]	I coulod make a point better
[01:43]	schestowitz[TR]	by finding photos before and after
[01:43]	schestowitz[TR]	like 10 before, 10 after
[01:43]	schestowitz[TR]	but it would take a lot of time
[01:45]	schestowitz[TR]	<techrights-news> drew devault caught COVID-19 https://drewdevault.com/2022/09/15/Status-update-September-2022.html
[01:45]	TR Bot	 Status update, September 2022
[01:46]	TR News	ICBM: staff isn't happy, key workers are fleeing!! We need to do something!! https://www.itpro.co.uk/business-strategy/flexible-working/369063/red-hat-adopts-a-remote-first-policy-with-offices-turned-neighbourhood http://techrights.org/2022/09/15/losing-critical-engineers/
[01:46]	TR Bot	 Red Hat adopts a remote-first policy, with offices turned into "neighbourhoods" | IT PRO
[01:46]	TR Bot	 [Meme] The Big News is That Big Blue Has Driven Away Tons of Essential Engineers and Managers of Red Hat | Techrights
[01:47]	TR News	ICBM wanking itself over "fostering diversity and inclusion" https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/purpose-driven-organization-6-tips-fostering-diversity-and-inclusion actually, it's hardly championing that at all!!! http://techrights.org/2020/06/06/hypocritical-ibm-red-hat/
[01:47]	TR Bot	 The purpose-driven organization: 6 tips for fostering diversity and inclusion
[01:47]	TR Bot	 IBM (Red Hat) Lectured FSF That It Needed More Diversity, But Was It Looking at the Mirror? IBM and Red Hat Are Even Less Diverse. | Techrights
[01:48]	TR News	Stack/Unstuck: Frameworks And Fundamentals https://www.redhat.com/en/compiler-podcast/compiler-frameworks-and-fundamentals
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[01:54]	TR Bot	- Mexico more concerned about Assange than Australia, says brother
[01:56]	TR News	GNOME's Libadwaita 1.2 Released with Exciting Improvements https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/15/Libadwaita_1_2.shtml
[01:56]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Libadwaita 1.2 (UPDATED)
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[02:05]	TR News	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D355.jpg
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[02:12]	TR News	She never looked the same after COVID-19 https://yewtu.be/watch?v=qD6Bj40aiM0
[02:12]	TR Bot	 Charles Jokes About the Queen's Age... - Invidious
[02:13]	AdmFubar	https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/09/trojanized-versions-of-putty-utility-being-used-to-spread-backdoor/
[02:13]	TR Bot	 Trojanized versions of PuTTY utility being used to spread backdoor | Ars Technica
[02:15]	schestowitz[TR]	probably Dan Goodin
[02:15]	schestowitz[TR]	trying to darken the name of SSH
[02:15]	schestowitz[TR]	along with the other Microsoft booster
[02:15]	schestowitz[TR]	"ook, you can download malware!!!'
[02:15]	schestowitz[TR]	hence, ssh bad
[02:15]	schestowitz[TR]	also, putty is for crap OSes
[02:15]	schestowitz[TR]	most people use that on WIndows
[02:16]	schestowitz[TR]	way to associate ssh with "backdoor"?
[02:16]	schestowitz[TR]	they keep saying "Linux" along with "backdoor"
[02:16]	schestowitz[TR]	turns out it's false
[02:16]	schestowitz[TR]	they talk about malware
[02:16]	schestowitz[TR]	once the malware is installed
[02:16]	schestowitz[TR]	it can take remote instructions
[02:16]	schestowitz[TR]	but that's now what back doors are
[02:16]	schestowitz[TR]	the media needs to die
[02:16]	schestowitz[TR]	Ars technically Pedo needs to die
[02:17]	schestowitz[TR]	it harbours child rapists, literally
[02:17]	schestowitz[TR]	conde nast owns it
[02:17]	schestowitz[TR]	and uses it for dark PR campaigns
[02:17]	schestowitz[TR]	Dan Goodin was sued for libel
[02:17]	schestowitz[TR]	he keeps lying and exaggerating 
[02:17]	schestowitz[TR]	clickbaiting with lies
[02:17]	schestowitz[TR]	better headline
[02:18]	schestowitz[TR]	There is a fake putty out there
[02:18]	schestowitz[TR]	so make sure you download from the official place
[02:18]	schestowitz[TR]	there. simple.
[02:18]	schestowitz[TR]	also, putty is not good
[02:18]	schestowitz[TR]	it enourages people to put private keys on NSA_backdoored platforms like Windows
[02:18]	schestowitz[TR]	the back door is WINDOWS
[02:19]	schestowitz[TR]	I bet it's Goodin
[02:19]	schestowitz[TR]	without even clicking
[02:19]		*schestowitz[TR] opens URL
[02:19]	schestowitz[TR]	YES, it's HIM
[02:19]	schestowitz[TR]	interjecting "North Korean"
[02:19]	schestowitz[TR]	political BS from Conde Nast
[02:20]	schestowitz[TR]	to rile up for tensions
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[02:20]	schestowitz[TR]	and clickbait image
[02:20]	schestowitz[TR]	totally unrelated tyo the story
[02:20]	schestowitz[TR]	0s, 1s... SKELETON
[02:20]	schestowitz[TR]	they need to go out of business
[02:20]	schestowitz[TR]	it's not journalism
[02:20]	schestowitz[TR]	it's what Lessig called clickbait
[02:20]	schestowitz[TR]	and it spreads falsehoods
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[02:21]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2019/06/07/microsoft-peter-is-a-pedophile/
[02:21]	TR Bot	 Microsoft Peter is a Pedophile, Arrested Without Bail | Techrights
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[02:21]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2020/08/16/microsoft-peter-convicted/
[02:21]	TR Bot	 Microsoft Peter Convicted for Pedophilia (and Still Defending Pedophilia) | Techrights
[02:21]	schestowitz[TR]	they did not even remove his articles
[02:21]	schestowitz[TR]	that were planted there by Microsoft
[02:22]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2019/07/30/microsoft-peter-lives-on/
[02:22]	TR Bot	 Even After Microsoft Lost Its PR Asset at Ars Technica (Arrested for Sexually Abusing Kids) Ars Technica Persists With Microsoft Advocacy (in News Form) | Techrights
[02:22]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2015/08/13/lenovo-scapegoating/
[02:22]	TR Bot	 Microsoft Peter Writes About Malicious Microsoft Antifeatures, Tries to Blame Lenovo and Succeeds | Techrights
[02:22]	schestowitz[TR]	"| Microsoft Peter, who spread all these lies to the point where the Open Source section in Ars Technica was literally nothing but Microsoft lies. "
[02:22]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2019/10/16/proprietary-microsoft/
[02:22]	TR Bot	 No, Microsoft is Not an Open Source Company But a Lying Company | Techrights
[02:23]	TR News	Gimme Knobs gemini://mederle.de/b/16-gimme-knobs.gmi
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[02:26]	TR News	She dies months later, not one month later, so she won't count as COVID-19 casualty https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60998927
[02:26]	TR Bot	 Queen reveals Covid left her 'very tired and exhausted' - BBC News
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[02:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	hes nonetheless right that it is a bitch to bootstrap gcc
[02:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	he doesnt know how to save us. but the problem still exists
[02:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	you need a giant fucking blob
[02:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	to create entirely free software
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[02:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	and i mean 
[02:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	the blob is fucking huge
[02:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	its ridiculous
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[02:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats what he was trying to fix with all this
[02:42]	TR Bot	 GNU Turns 39 Later This Month and Its Still Going! | Techrights
[02:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	for the glory of white europeans i guess
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[02:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	the ones worth saving :)
[02:43]	schestowitz[TR]	highest_cubist_thrills: ^ for you
[02:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	no, fuck germany
[02:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	truman should have aimed there
[02:43]	schestowitz[TR]	no, the meme
[02:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	but then he would be a monster
[02:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	oh, ha
[02:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont know that one
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[02:50]	schestowitz[TR]	highest_cubist_thrills:  do you like the concept though?
[02:50]	schestowitz[TR]	I added the original gnu message just now
[02:50]	schestowitz[TR]	and  cleaned up some typos
[02:50]	schestowitz[TR]	atm gnu is the best shot we have
[02:50]	schestowitz[TR]	for computing in freedom
[02:50]	schestowitz[TR]	unless you make something else
[02:51]	schestowitz[TR]	we are doing OK as long as it is possible to avoid the "big vendors"
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[02:51]	schestowitz[TR]	most of gnu is not captive
[02:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	 most of gnu is not captive <- well, bullshit
[02:51]	schestowitz[TR]	ok, convince me
[02:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	 atm gnu is the best shot we have <- i give it 7 years
[02:51]	schestowitz[TR]	define captive first
[02:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	<schestowitz[TR]> ok, convince me <- no need
[02:51]	schestowitz[TR]	github mirror is not captive
[02:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont have to do anything but wait
[02:52]	schestowitz[TR]	also, I reckon github will die in 7 years
[02:52]	schestowitz[TR]	perish
[02:52]	schestowitz[TR]	due to no money
[02:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	 github mirror is not captive <- obviously
[02:52]	schestowitz[TR]	and no Microsoft
[02:52]	schestowitz[TR]	Microsoft will have to shut down many things
[02:52]	schestowitz[TR]	or downsize a lot
[02:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	 also, I reckon github will die in 7 years <- that would be nice
[02:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	but gnu will die before github
[02:52]	schestowitz[TR]	https://web.archive.org/web/20201202020700/https://www.fsf.org/about/staff-and-board
[02:52]	TR Bot	 Staff and Board Free Software Foundation Working together for free software
[02:53]	schestowitz[TR]	14 staff
[02:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	 highest_cubist_thrills:  do you like the concept though? <- what concept
[02:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	nazios? in the beginning it seemed like it wasnt another templeos
[02:53]	schestowitz[TR]	11 staff 2 years later:
[02:53]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.fsf.org/about/staff-and-board
[02:53]	TR Bot	 Staff and Board Free Software Foundation Working together for free software
[02:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	but the sole author is insane
[02:54]	schestowitz[TR]	clinically
[02:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	11 staff 2 years later <- it about quality not quantity
[02:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	the quality is shit
[02:54]	schestowitz[TR]	who did they lose that you want back?
[02:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	everything.
[02:54]	schestowitz[TR]	John Sullivan?
[02:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	credibiliy. integrity. success.
[02:54]	schestowitz[TR]	Dana Morgenstein?
[02:54]	schestowitz[TR]	Donald Robertson?
[02:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	youre still counting.
[02:55]	schestowitz[TR]	John Hsieh?
[02:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	i told you its not about quantity
[02:55]	schestowitz[TR]	Matt Lavallee?
[02:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	theyre useless.
[02:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	useless
[02:55]	schestowitz[TR]	Kat Walsh in the Board?
[02:55]	schestowitz[TR]	She was part of the cou
[02:55]	DaemonFC	I had to report Mandy's credit card stolen last year because someone in the Philippines tried charging things to the FedEx account I had to create to give to their "Statistics Authority" to get his birth certificate.
[02:55]	schestowitz[TR]	good riddance
[02:55]	schestowitz[TR]	*coup
[02:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	probably yeah
[02:55]	schestowitz[TR]	passive part anyway
[02:55]	DaemonFC	Nice of them to just steal the card. And that was someone in their government that did that.
[02:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	youre looking at WHO left
[02:55]	DaemonFC	It was frozen, so nothing went through
[02:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	and insisting thats what they lost
[02:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	but thats not what they lost.
[02:56]	schestowitz[TR]	like the eme shows
[02:56]	schestowitz[TR]	they are under attack
[02:56]	schestowitz[TR]	toejam BS
[02:56]	schestowitz[TR]	then GPL FUD
[02:56]	schestowitz[TR]	then buying github
[02:56]	schestowitz[TR]	then IBM blackmail machine
[02:56]	schestowitz[TR]	etc etc.
[02:56]	schestowitz[TR]	they are a TARGET
[02:56]	schestowitz[TR]	mjg59_ has at a go ast them for ages
[02:56]	schestowitz[TR]	as he did at Torvalds
[02:56]	schestowitz[TR]	trying to have a go at people above him
[02:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	but torvalds sold out
[02:56]	schestowitz[TR]	to make himself seem important
[02:57]	schestowitz[TR]	then asking mates to do a wikipedia page (ad) about him
[02:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	mjg attacked linux
[02:57]	schestowitz[TR]	toervalds didn't sell out
[02:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	but then linux ate itself
[02:57]	schestowitz[TR]	torvalds was always like this
[02:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	but then linux #techrights : 09/16/22 01:57 <schestowitz[TR]> <-= oh yes he did
[02:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	fuck torvalds
[02:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	yes, gkh is worse
[02:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	that follows
[02:57]	schestowitz[TR]	that's why LF 'hired' him
[02:57]	schestowitz[TR]	from SUSE
[02:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	of course they want to replace him with wors
[02:58]	schestowitz[TR]	he was the eprfect candidate
[02:58]	schestowitz[TR]	OOXML
[02:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	but torvalds still sold out
[02:58]	schestowitz[TR]	hyper-V
[02:58]	schestowitz[TR]	all that Microsoft shit
[02:58]	schestowitz[TR]	from Novell
[02:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	yeah, gkh is the next phrase of the coup
[02:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	but linux is occupied territory
[02:58]	schestowitz[TR]	linus is Liz III
[02:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	and torvalds does nothing
[02:58]	schestowitz[TR]	ghk is Charles III
[02:58]	schestowitz[TR]	and his ugly brother is Sacha Levin
[02:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	lol
[02:58]	schestowitz[TR]	from Epst/.. I ena, from Microsoft
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[02:59]	DaemonFC	My head hurts.
[02:59]	schestowitz[TR]	but can you SWEAT?
[02:59]	DaemonFC	I think that means I've been working on this too long.
[02:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	you insist there are good guys and bad guys
[02:59]	DaemonFC	I managed to delete about 150 pages that I don't think Immigration will care whether I print for them or not.
[02:59]	DaemonFC	That saves about $30.
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[03:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	your model cant account for anything if there are no good guys left
[03:00]	schestowitz[TR]	DaemonFC: it's offtopic here anyway
[03:00]	schestowitz[TR]	it's not about immigration
[03:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	rofl
[03:00]	schestowitz[TR]	and now your personal life 
[03:00]	schestowitz[TR]	or youyr spouse's
[03:00]	DaemonFC	I hate working with documents.
[03:00]	schestowitz[TR]	without asking for consent toi share
[03:00]	schestowitz[TR]	rianne got 100% in her exam last week
[03:00]	schestowitz[TR]	last friday we put in all the papers
[03:00]	DaemonFC	What? That his government is a bunch of criminals who will steal your credit card information?
[03:01]	DaemonFC	Best that he becomes an American citizen so he can get a US passport and be done with those idiots.
[03:01]	DaemonFC	One thing at a time though.
[03:02]	schestowitz[TR]	by the time he qualifies Trump might be president again
[03:02]	schestowitz[TR]	and never leave the seat again
[03:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	doubt it
[03:02]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], The president can't revoke Green Cards that were already issued.
[03:02]	schestowitz[TR]	USA is the land of opportunityu
[03:02]	schestowitz[TR]	to do anything
[03:02]	DaemonFC	That's part of the Immigration and Nationality Act.
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[03:02]	schestowitz[TR]	if he runs again, both your parents will vote for him
[03:03]	schestowitz[TR]	they also made excuses for michael jackson
[03:03]	schestowitz[TR]	so I'm thinking
[03:03]	DaemonFC	USCIS can do that, but only in accordance with the law. They have to prove you did something wrong related to getting a Green Card.
[03:03]	schestowitz[TR]	that 5th avenue brag
[03:03]	DaemonFC	And you're equally exposed even if you become a US citizen.
[03:03]	schestowitz[TR]	he can even attempt a coup
[03:03]	schestowitz[TR]	and then become president again
[03:03]	DaemonFC	Because you still wouldn't be one by birth.
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[03:03]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], COVID-19 mostly kills old people.
[03:04]	schestowitz[TR]	yes
[03:04]	DaemonFC	Have you seen many people younger than about 50 going to Trump rallies?
[03:04]	schestowitz[TR]	i put charts in several posts in my site
[03:04]	schestowitz[TR]	atm they remove voting rights from many blacks
[03:04]	schestowitz[TR]	oir try to
[03:04]	DaemonFC	50 is basically the low end of the age group for the "foaming at the mouth Trump club".
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[03:04]	schestowitz[TR]	they also gerrymander some more
[03:04]	schestowitz[TR]	they don't need to win
[03:04]	schestowitz[TR]	just to cheat and make it seem legit
[03:04]	schestowitz[TR]	like in 2000
[03:05]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], You can't gerrymander the electoral college.
[03:05]	DaemonFC	States get electoral votes based on the Census, and the Census was pretty much fucked even in red states.
[03:05]	schestowitz[TR]	biden's popularity rate is very low
[03:05]	schestowitz[TR]	Dems need to dump him
[03:05]	schestowitz[TR]	and go awith anotrher person
[03:05]	DaemonFC	They believe that some of the worst undercounts were actually in red states in the south.
[03:05]	schestowitz[TR]	he was always shit
[03:05]	schestowitz[TR]	even when he ran againnnst trump
[03:05]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], I can see that happening.
[03:06]	schestowitz[TR]	their debates was a national embarrassment... i think only one debate existed
[03:06]	schestowitz[TR]	two senile,, one cup
[03:06]	DaemonFC	There WILL be a primary in 2024, but contested conventions against an incumbent president are rare.
[03:06]	DaemonFC	It's definitely happened.
[03:06]	DaemonFC	It happened to Jimmy Carter.
[03:06]	DaemonFC	That was about the most fucking retarded thing ever.
[03:07]	DaemonFC	Ted Kennedy. LOL
[03:07]	DaemonFC	The guy who drowned his pregnant girlfriend came along and decided to run against Carter, Carter barely got out of his own primary and then lost to Reagan.
[03:08]	DaemonFC	If there's a contested convention against an incumbent president or state governor, that means that the party is in schism and the other side is likely to win the general election.
[03:08]	DaemonFC	We should REALLY hope that doesn't happen.
[03:09]	DaemonFC	It happened in Illinois with Governor Rauner. Jeanne Ives ran against him, they split the vote almost down the middle, and it exposed how weak Rauner was going into the general election.
[03:09]	DaemonFC	All of Ives's supporters were furious that she didn't win, and did NOT support Bruce Rauner.
[03:09]	DaemonFC	Had the party held together and decided to hold their noses and support Rauner, Pritzker might not be in office right now.
[03:10]	DaemonFC	Contested primaries are always bad for an incumbent, even if they end up winning them.
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[03:10]	DaemonFC	It's just a pain in the ass that they don't need, then there's a percentage of the other candidate's voters who are mad and won't listen to you and won't vote for you.
[03:11]	DaemonFC	I think Hillary Clinton would have done slightly better had Bernie Sanders not ran against her.
[03:11]	DaemonFC	That wouldn't have made her BETTER, but I don't think Sanders brought out many otherwise disaffected voters.
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[03:12]	DaemonFC	If anything, he created a pile of Democrats who said "Let Trump win. That'll sure show the Democrats!".
[03:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	gnu isnt the best shot, because it only gets worse
[03:12]	DaemonFC	And he got in, did enormous damage to the country, and we're stuck with Joe Biden, which has mostly the same political positions of Hillary Clinton.
[03:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	it never gets better, but it disintegrates and people do nothing
[03:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	the gnu maintainers-- do nothing
[03:12]	DaemonFC	Refusing to vote for Clinton did not change the Democrats at all.
[03:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	they dont fight, dont defend
[03:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	they watch while corporations take it away
[03:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	theyre idiots
[03:13]	DaemonFC	The Democrats would rather lose than allow Sanders to win.
[03:13]	DaemonFC	They were fine with making it the four years of Hell for their voters.
[03:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	what happened to the linux kernel-- we wont get it back
[03:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	it happens to gnu-- they do nothing
[03:13]	DaemonFC	It gives them leverage to come back and say it's Biden or nothing.
[03:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	its happening now-- you do nothing
[03:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	gnu has 7 years left
[03:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	it will increasingly become a laugh to call it free in any context
[03:14]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], I'm not a Trump supporter. Not by a long shot.
[03:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	it is, will be, controlled entirely by ibm and microsoft
[03:14]	DaemonFC	Everyone thinks I might be if they listen to me, but I can't stand Trump.
[03:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	the gnu project is exploitation of labour
[03:15]	DaemonFC	I think they ought to put him on trial for treason and then it's cigarette and blindfold time.
[03:15]	DaemonFC	That's what I think of him.
[03:15]	DaemonFC	I'm also not thrilled about the far-left.
[03:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	its not controlled by the authors, its not controlled by activists
[03:15]	DaemonFC	But they're not actually really running much of anything.
[03:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	its controlled by corporations and developed nearly for free
[03:15]	DaemonFC	"Corporate Woke"
[03:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	its fraud
[03:15]	DaemonFC	mjg59_ approved wokeness.
[03:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	it will become more obviously so
[03:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	not better-- only worse
[03:15]	schestowitz[TR]	free sofware foundation had worse perils before
[03:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	never better-- only worse
[03:15]	schestowitz[TR]	like 2006, novell
[03:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	like 2006, novell <- youre a goddamned fool
[03:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	they still existed in 2006
[03:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	they have nothing
[03:16]	DaemonFC	I can't really call myself a Republican, not with these candidates.
[03:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	they dont exist anymore
[03:16]	DaemonFC	I'd like to, but it's not the 1970s.
[03:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	"ive had worse!"-- the black knight
[03:16]	DaemonFC	So I really can't.
[03:16]	schestowitz[TR]	https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/display_990/42888848/2007_05_EO%2F04-2888848_990_200609
[03:16]	TR Bot	 FREE SOFTWARE FOUNDATION INC - Form 990 for period ending Sep 2006 - Nonprofit Explorer - ProPublica
[03:16]	schestowitz[TR]	fsf 2006
[03:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	again, you resort to meaningless metrics
[03:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	to avoid reality
[03:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	the money doesnt fucking matter
[03:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	they can be propped up by ibm
[03:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	its not a bloody sign of health
[03:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	less money, more money
[03:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	youre ignoring whats going on
[03:17]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], I doubt there will be any serious legislative action on Immigration for at least 10 years.
[03:17]	schestowitz[TR]	"RMS LAPTOP"
[03:17]	DaemonFC	Maybe more.
[03:17]	schestowitz[TR]	in the IRS filing
[03:17]	DaemonFC	The parties are too close.
[03:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	a very big deal for pageviews
[03:17]	schestowitz[TR]	even "SHELVING"
[03:18]	schestowitz[TR]	they publish an office inventory
[03:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	omg, shelves
[03:18]	DaemonFC	Trump told the Democrats he'd sign an amnesty bill if they'd agree to border security.
[03:18]	DaemonFC	And the Democrats walked away.
[03:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	i wonder if they have anything to say about it 
[03:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me holds the mic up to the shelves
[03:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	no comment.
[03:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	weird
[03:18]	DaemonFC	They left millions of Immigrants who would have had a Green Card right now standing there with their dick in their hand because the Democrats don't want border security.
[03:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	but what would they tell us, if they werent afraid of speaking out?
[03:19]	schestowitz[TR]	revenue 832k
[03:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	blah blah blah
[03:19]	schestowitz[TR]	2010: 1.1 million
[03:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	i mean the treasurer is at the helm now
[03:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	im sure he can keep them in the black
[03:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	it wont mean a damned thing
[03:19]	schestowitz[TR]	2020: 1.1 miillion
[03:19]	schestowitz[TR]	AFTER the coup
[03:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	but youll cite it anyway
[03:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	again, this is meaningless
[03:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	it means fuck-all
[03:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	even less
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[03:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	im sure theyu could double their members if thats all that mattered
[03:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats their mission
[03:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	have members
[03:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	sort of like the purpose of converting to christianity
[03:20]	schestowitz[TR]	2020 salaries and wages $787,321  
[03:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	is to convert people to christianity
[03:20]	schestowitz[TR]	more than 9n 2019
[03:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	you dont have a point
[03:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	you might claim to, but you dont
[03:21]	schestowitz[TR]	pineapple fund helped a lot in 2019
[03:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	oh yeah
[03:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	the mysterious pineapple fund
[03:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	very interesting
[03:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	i doubt we ever find out what the fuck
[03:21]	schestowitz[TR]	an extra million
[03:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	but the treasurer is at the helm :)
[03:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	does he know? i dont know
[03:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	he might not even know
[03:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	would i be surprised if he does know? no.
[03:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	will finding out save them now? no.
[03:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	would it be interesting to know? im sure it would
[03:22]	schestowitz[TR]	Sales of assets $21,460 
[03:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	do i think theres a chance that million isnt malevolent? 
[03:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	theres always a chance.
[03:22]	schestowitz[TR]	revenue of FSF steady for over a decade
[03:23]	schestowitz[TR]	always over a million
[03:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	<schestowitz[TR]> Sales of assets       $21,460 <- your approach to this is becoming almost herr doktor like in nature
[03:23]	schestowitz[TR]	with that odd "huge contribution" prior to the coup
[03:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	boring and tedious and absolutely without any point whatsoever
[03:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	 with that odd "huge contribution" prior to the coup <- yes, that is interesting.
[03:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	i agree with that
[03:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	it COULD be a coincidence, my gut tells me its not
[03:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	but you know gut feelings prove nothing
[03:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	it would be great to know because its probably an important piece of free software history
[03:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	but it wont fix anything
[03:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	maybe it would be a lesson for future efforts
[03:25]	AdmFubar	https://www.alternet.org/2022/09/electricity-prices-bogus-free-markets/
[03:25]	TR Bot	electricity prices should not be left to bogus 'free markets' - Alternet.org
[03:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	and that makes it worth pursuing
[03:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	but i doubt we ever find out what it was, unless maybe knauth discloses
[03:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	which im sure he cant
[03:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	because IF he even knows, a condition is to not disclose, etc
[03:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	and i dont think hes a whistleblowing type
[03:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	pocock complained of the fsfe being anti-whistleblower in 2018 or 19
[03:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	in 2021 or 2022, under occupation, the fsf enacted an anti-whistleblower policy for the first time
[03:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	never a sign of progress
[03:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	its a very anti-progressive move
[03:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	they can justify it however they want, they cant do shit about the broader context
[03:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	this is never a progressive move
[03:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	but even if there are bad signs outside of gnu
[03:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	there are no good signs within gnu, only bad 
[03:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	no good signs
[03:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	so its been for years
[03:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	there wont be any good signs either
[03:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	from here it contines to erode, thats it
[03:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	theyll try to slow it down, theyll try to paint a nice picture
[03:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	the only good news will be marketing, nothing else
[03:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	no deeds
[03:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	gnu stands for nothing
[03:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	fsf stands for nothing
[03:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	theyre done
[03:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	take money, receive bacon
[03:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	sorry, bacon not currently available
[03:30]	schestowitz[TR]	the conditions are far from optimal
[03:30]	schestowitz[TR]	as they are under attacks
[03:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	lol
[03:30]	schestowitz[TR]	taking that into account
[03:30]	schestowitz[TR]	lol is not a counterargument
[03:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	you can be their press secretary
[03:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	no no no
[03:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	the conditions are far from optimal
[03:31]	schestowitz[TR]	the attacks worsened
[03:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	is not a counterargument
[03:31]	schestowitz[TR]	and took or embraced new patterns
[03:31]	schestowitz[TR]	plus, the github thing
[03:31]	schestowitz[TR]	never mind the coup
[03:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	yes the attacks evolve
[03:31]	schestowitz[TR]	which was partly organised to distract from billg, I think
[03:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	the response does not
[03:31]	schestowitz[TR]	and then managed by github
[03:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	they dont even try, roy
[03:31]	schestowitz[TR]	by people who worked for Microsoft
[03:31]	schestowitz[TR]	ok, I wion;t try
[03:31]	schestowitz[TR]	good night
[03:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	you dont have an argument
[03:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	you simply dont agree
[03:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	watch and see
[03:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	it will be like i tell you
[03:32]	schestowitz[TR]	waity, you said they don\'t try
[03:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	i said they dont try
[03:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	they dont
[03:32]	schestowitz[TR]	I think you talked so fast I read that as "you don't even try
[03:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	looking busy isnt trying
[03:33]	schestowitz[TR]	anyway, to accomplish mopre this defeatism won't help
[03:33]	schestowitz[TR]	negativism and defeatism are not the same
[03:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	realism and defeatism arent the same thing
[03:33]	schestowitz[TR]	you basically sort of abandom
[03:33]	schestowitz[TR]	and then signal to the rest
[03:33]	schestowitz[TR]	"well, it's dead"
[03:33]	schestowitz[TR]	being negative about expectation is RMS
[03:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	ive been calling the fsf weekend at bernies for YEARS
[03:33]	schestowitz[TR]	but RMS keeps fighting
[03:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	are you familiar with the movie?
[03:33]	schestowitz[TR]	you run to openbsd
[03:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	but RMS keeps fighting <- silly bugger
[03:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	no he doesnt
[03:34]	schestowitz[TR]	he does
[03:34]	schestowitz[TR]	to the extent feasible
[03:34]	schestowitz[TR]	given the online trolling and bullies
[03:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	[H[2~you run to openbsd <- that is not a fair assessment but i dont expect one 
[03:34]	schestowitz[TR]	also, he's 70
[03:34]	schestowitz[TR]	he's putin's age
[03:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	to the extent feasibl <- yes! which is not at all
[03:34]	schestowitz[TR]	you lose energy at that point
[03:35]	highest_cubist_thrills	one moment, screen adjustment
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[03:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	i moved to openbsd so i could study alternatives
[03:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	i didnt stop paying attention to gnu AT ALL
[03:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	but i thought 
[03:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	since im a technologist that cares about freedom
[03:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	and since im saying gnu is dying
[03:36]	schestowitz[TR]	AdmFubar: fleecing in other markets too atm
[03:36]	schestowitz[TR]	the supply chain is catchin g up
[03:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	and drifting to microsoft control
[03:36]	schestowitz[TR]	price stay high
[03:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	i should 1. have an os i can use
[03:36]	schestowitz[TR]	*prices
[03:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	2. be able to offer people some advice
[03:37]	schestowitz[TR]	you still use gnu
[03:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	but i continued to watch gnu closely after that
[03:37]	schestowitz[TR]	so might as wlel pay attentionb
[03:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	i use gnu wget
[03:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	what else...
[03:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	im trying to think what else
[03:37]	schestowitz[TR]	i use a bit of mozilla
[03:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	i use gnu wget because its less github based than curl
[03:37]	schestowitz[TR]	you probably use some stuff with glib
[03:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	im no fan of curl
[03:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	they sold out
[03:38]	DaemonFC	https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view%3Fhttps%253A//wgntv.com/news/illinois/amazon-closing-canceling-delaying-fulfillment-centers-nationwide/
[03:38]	TR Bot	 Gemini Portal
[03:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	you probably use some stuff with glib <- maybe. very possibly not
[03:38]	DaemonFC	Amazon closing a bunch of warehouses in Illinois.
[03:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	openbsd really doesnt like needing gnu. this is their decision and not mine
[03:38]	schestowitz[TR]	DaemonFC: there is no recession
[03:38]	schestowitz[TR]	until the fat lady sings
[03:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	they have been unable to avoid it entirely
[03:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	shes warming up at least
[03:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	openbsd forked gnu less
[03:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont know if they use glib for that-- they probably dont
[03:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	but they might
[03:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	i think its brilliant because gnu less was github-based
[03:39]	schestowitz[TR]	turning 25 next year https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GLib
[03:39]	TR Bot	 GLib - Wikipedia
[03:39]	schestowitz[TR]	gnu will turn 40
[03:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats not whty they forked
[03:39]	schestowitz[TR]	THEN, there will be "midlife crisis"|
[03:39]	schestowitz[TR]	for gnu
[03:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	already there
[03:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	i think its meant to be tongue in cheek
[03:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	but the idea that 40 is midlife assumes that software platforms have the same average lifespan as people
[03:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	which of course is nonsense
[03:40]	schestowitz[TR]	40 is a HUGE lifespan 
[03:40]	schestowitz[TR]	for any software
[03:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	i agree
[03:40]	schestowitz[TR]	let alone emacs
[03:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	i totally agree
[03:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	poor emacs :.
[03:40]	schestowitz[TR]	gnu emcas is 40 laready
[03:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	 :/
[03:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	emacs should be preserved
[03:40]	schestowitz[TR]	unless you count the gnu prefix
[03:41]	DaemonFC	https://kotaku.com/g4tv-layoffs-twitch-x-play-adam-sessler-g4-1849537114
[03:41]	TR Bot	 G4TV Hit With Major Layoffs Less Than A Year After Coming Back
[03:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	how i dont know
[03:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	harfbuzz should be forked too
[03:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	as no project will do without it in the longterm
[03:41]	schestowitz[TR]	emacs 1976
[03:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	not even tk
[03:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	its unacceptable for microsoft to control every gui application in the free software world
[03:42]	schestowitz[TR]	"The original EMACS was written in 1976 by David A. Moon and Guy L. Steele Jr. as a set of Editor MACroS for the TECO editor.[2][3][4][5][12] It was inspired by the ideas of the TECO-macro editors TECMAC and TMACS.[13]
[03:42]	schestowitz[TR]	The most popular, and most ported, version of Emacs is GNU Emacs, which was created by Richard Stallman for the GNU Project"
[03:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	including emacs
[03:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	stallman inventing emacs is like al gore creating the internet
[03:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	both had such a hand in it that the actual creators defended 
[03:42]	schestowitz[TR]	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emacs#Church_of_Emacs
[03:42]	TR Bot	 Emacs - Wikipedia
[03:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	gore, stalman
[03:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	vint cerf defended gore
[03:43]	schestowitz[TR]	"The Church of Emacs, formed by Richard Stallman, is a parody religion created for Emacs users.[54] While it refers to vi as the editor of the beast (vi-vi-vi being 6-6-6 in Roman numerals), it does not oppose the use of vi; rather, it calls it proprietary software anathema. ("Using a free version of vi is not a sin but a penance."[55]) The Church of Emacs has its own newsgroup, alt.religion.emacs,[56] that has posts purporting to 
[03:43]	schestowitz[TR]	support this parody religion. Supporters of vi have created an opposing Cult of vi."
[03:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	i taught someone vi a whie back
[03:43]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2022/09/15/gnu-39/
[03:43]	TR Bot	 GNU Turns 39 Later This Month and Its Still Going! | Techrights
[03:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	recently they were required to use it somewhere :)
[03:43]	schestowitz[TR]	"
[03:43]	schestowitz[TR]	Who Am I?
[03:43]	schestowitz[TR]	I am Richard Stallman, inventor of the original much-imitated EMACS
[03:43]	schestowitz[TR]	editor"
[03:43]	schestowitz[TR]	in 2983
[03:43]	schestowitz[TR]	1983
[03:44]	schestowitz[TR]	"inventor of the original much-imitated EMACS"
[03:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	the original author of emacs defended stallman too
[03:44]	schestowitz[TR]	this is patent terminopoly
[03:44]	schestowitz[TR]	developer?
[03:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	at least regarding who made emacs
[03:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	inventor can be a casual term 
[03:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	without deliberately or intentionally using patent terminology for the sake of doing so
[03:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	inventor isnt a bad word just because bad people use it too
[03:45]	schestowitz[TR]	he sat at the loo
[03:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	granted today he would have probably said developer or something
[03:45]	schestowitz[TR]	and then came a cloud
[03:45]	schestowitz[TR]	bubble but cloud-shape
[03:45]	schestowitz[TR]	with a bumb in it
[03:45]	schestowitz[TR]	*bulb
[03:45]	schestowitz[TR]	and he invented emacs
[03:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	i suppose this means he doesnt hate the word inventor as much as you do
[03:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	or he would probably change that line of text
[03:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	if they let him :)
[03:46]	TR News	"If you ever wanted to contribute to a Perl project now is a good time to give it a go!. Here are a few beginner friendly projects that are up-for-grabs." http://blogs.perl.org/users/itcharlie/2022/09/hacktoberfest-2022-is-near.html
[03:46]	TR Bot	2022 is near! | itcharlie [blogs.perl.org]
[03:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	there are only two groups of people left over there
[03:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	traitors, and sheep
[03:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	and one hostage, but that does not a group make
[03:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	perhaps from this a hero will emerge
[03:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	they wont-- but hey, perhaps perhaps perhaps
[03:47]	TR News	Delete. Install LibreOffice. https://www.maketecheasier.com/fix-problem-with-office-license-error/
[03:47]	TR Bot	 How to Fix "There's a Problem With Your Office License" in Windows - Make Tech Easier
[03:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	if you join the fsf, please include $1 for hostage handling
[03:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	sorry, postage and handling
[03:48]	TR News	Get ready for another GNU anniversary (11 days from now); the Linux Foundation does not want people to know what GNU is and how the GPL works (it actively works to undermine both) http://techrights.org/2022/09/15/gnu-39/
[03:48]	TR Bot	 GNU Turns 39 Later This Month and Its Still Going! | Techrights
[03:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	they still censor
[03:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	the whole thing is run by lieplanet, which i think is remarkable
[03:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	nearly impossible, but there it is
[03:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	im sure its only like that because of some arrangement we arent privy to
[03:50]	schestowitz[TR]	gnu is used more than ever before
[03:50]	schestowitz[TR]	fact.
[03:50]	schestowitz[TR]	and is thus more important
[03:50]	schestowitz[TR]	in relative terms and
[03:50]	schestowitz[TR]	in absolute terms
[03:50]	schestowitz[TR]	gn
[03:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	if you say so
[03:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	corporations use it 
[03:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats not a sign of good things to come
[03:51]	schestowitz[TR]	hence more attacks
[03:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	it is embraced
[03:51]	schestowitz[TR]	ok, rss refresh, 
[03:51]	schestowitz[TR]	afk
[03:51]	DaemonFC	Ground coffee is up 19% in a single year.
[03:51]	DaemonFC	Eggs 40%
[03:52]	DaemonFC	Just trying to have coffee and scrambled eggs is getting oppressive.
[03:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	openbsd is a good alternative to a dumpster fire
[03:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	it is not a fortress, it is not unstoppable
[03:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	it is only a step in a reasonable direction, away from this madness
[03:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	alpine is also a step away, and i suppose thats good for similar reasons
[03:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	i find it amusing that you cite it not using gnu as a feature, but of course you wont do that for openbsd :)
[03:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	alpine is a step away from this madness too
[03:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	albeit a smaller step
[03:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	i believe the principle authors of alpine dont say much bad about openbsd, on the contrary
[03:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	my main "gripe" with alpine?
[03:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont like the linux kernel. you can easily say thats their not their fault... and i would more or less agree
[03:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	still, i wanted to get away from linux, even more than i wanted to get away from gnu
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[03:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	its not a secret that alpine doesnt do that
[03:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	but if its around long enough i really wouldnt be shocked to see alpine supporting more than one kernel
[03:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	someday
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[04:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	by the way, the only glib i appear to have installed is gnome glib2, not glibc anywhere
[04:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	the closest thing i have to glibc (gnu libc) is this:
[04:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	/usr/local/share/libtool/libltdl/libltdl/lt__glibc.h
[04:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	/* lt__glibc.h -- support for non glibc environments
[04:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	every line, of which there are 83, is either blank, a comment, or starts with #
[04:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	there are defs, as well as
[04:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	#include <slist.h>
[04:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	i think its safe to say theres no glibc here
[04:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	not that im surprised
[04:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont think alpine uses it either
[04:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	i believe she specifically said this
[04:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	when you use alpine youre doing the same as i am, as far as glibc goes
[04:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	which is fine, but (as you said yourself) its not gnu
[04:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	naturally you make it about me and openbsd anyway
[04:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	dont know why
[04:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	its just one of your things
[04:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	youd do well to remember that i left gnu/linux primarily to get away from linux
[04:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	getting away from gnu was a side effect
[04:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	i still tell people that hyperbola is a good thing-- but facts and context are optional sometimes?
[04:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-16.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[04:47]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], Mom was panic buying for the rail strike.
[04:47]	DaemonFC	I said they'd get it worked out somehow. Last time, Congress just ordered them all back to work.
[04:47]	DaemonFC	This one never even ended up happening.
[04:50]	DaemonFC	The whole COVID-19 debacle was mass hysteria.
[04:50]	DaemonFC	There's never been a shutdown like that in a free country over a germ that was barely even killing anyone (by percentage of the number who caught it).
[04:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	mber 14, 2022
[04:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	    LibrePlanet 2023: Charting the Course | Call for sessions announced!, Devin Ulibarrilol
[04:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	who wants to help lieplanet suck the remaining (non-existent) credibility out of the fsf?
[04:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	im sure theres a riveting talk about flax seeds or llama farming or a group of eskimos running a workshop for coding in rust
[04:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	followed by the obligatory separate-but-equal talk from stallman a month later, which will also be called lieplanet
[04:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	where he says nothing because he isnt allowed
[04:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	help us fight for your freedom!
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[04:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	Next year's LibrePlanet is themed "Charting the Course"
[04:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	so, iceberg?
[04:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	"shouldnt we steer away from that?"
● Sep 16
[05:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	"shut up richard! dont make us get the hose!"
[05:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	"sorry, ill go back to my office"
[05:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	Happy hacking,
[05:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	Devin
[05:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	more like "good luck"
[05:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	Devin Ulibarri // Outreach & Communications Coordinator
[05:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	he says "Happy Hacking" but he didnt sign the support letter
[05:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	i think if youre going to use that line maybe you should support stallman.
[05:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	not that he owns it, its just a matter of style
[05:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	lieplanet is a trojan horse
[05:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	fsf award winner...
[05:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/sugar-labs-past-present-and-future/
[05:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	Devin Ulibarri, Walter Bender.
[05:06]	DaemonFC	https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view%3Fhttps%253A//wgntv.com/news/chicago-news/more-migrants-arrive-to-chicago-thursday-night/
[05:06]	TR Bot	 Gemini Portal
[05:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	heh
[05:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	libreplanet.org/2018/speakers/
[05:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	She is the Community Outreach Director for the Open Invention Network, the world's largest patent non-aggression community,
[05:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	Open Invention Network
[05:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	She won the O'Reilly Open Source Award for her work with GNU MediaGoblin and OpenHatch.
[05:06]	DaemonFC	Governor Prickster criticized a mayor of a relatively small suburb who is alarmed that the population of his town has gone up 600 people in 15 days because of the state dumping illegal immigrants that Chicago doesn't want there.
[05:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	roy will be sympathetic to lieplanet THIS year, only because they say some nice thing about a former contributor.
[05:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	i mean, theres always a reason
[05:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	im just saying what it is
[05:11]	DaemonFC	https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view%3Fhttps%253A//wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/illinois-drops-covid-19-testing-requirement-for-unvaccinated-school-child-care-employees/
[05:11]	TR Bot	 Gemini Portal
[05:12]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], No COVID tests required for unvaccinated school children and staff this year.
[05:12]	DaemonFC	They do everything they can now to make it look like the numbers are dropping.
[05:12]	DaemonFC	The government also stopped paying for tests for the uninsured.
[05:13]	DaemonFC	mjg59_ mostly agrees with Stallman....about worship of big oppressive governments.
[05:13]	DaemonFC	Once it found out the vaccines weren't going to end this, 100% of the focus is on making it look safe to go shopping.
[05:18]	DaemonFC	"
[05:18]	DaemonFC	The states weekly case rate is currently at 144 per 100,000 residents."
[05:18]	DaemonFC	Of people who have severe enough cases to go seek medical attention. And most of them will only seek medical attention as a last resort because of the cost.
[05:19]	DaemonFC	So that figure has to be taken with a pound of salt.
[05:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-16.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[05:41]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], It seems Stallman is happy that credit card companies are creating a merchant code to track people who shop at gun stores.
[05:42]	DaemonFC	It's amazing that no matter how nasty they get with us legal gun owners, the murder rate goes up, up, and away, and nobody they catch has a FOID card.
[05:43]	DaemonFC	It's almost like murderers don't give a shit what the law says or something. Weird.
[05:45]	DaemonFC	https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view%3Fhttps%253A//wgntv.com/news/man-pleads-guilty-to-threatening-merriam-webster-over-definition-of-female/
[05:45]	TR Bot	 Gemini Portal
[05:45]	DaemonFC	Kicking that off to mjg59_ failed biologist. Gender confused.
[05:47]	DaemonFC	https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/article%3Fhttps%253A%252F%252Fwgntv.com%252Fnews%252Fillinois-safe-t-act-explained%252F
[05:47]	TR Bot	 Gemini Portal
[05:48]	DaemonFC	The Burn, Loot, Murder Caucus got their 800 page bill through on "criminal justice reform".
[05:48]	DaemonFC	I'm sure the system will still figure out how to be 1,000 times more nasty to white people that the cops bring in even though the law says everyone accused of crimes has "new rights".
[05:49]	DaemonFC	They let the "Now I have a machine gun, ho, ho, ho......" black guy in the Santa Claus hat out and all he had to post was $5,000.
[05:49]	DaemonFC	How much softer can we be?
[05:52]	DaemonFC	The Safe-T Act could theoretically result in a person being remanded without bail over misdemeanor assault while the judge lets a sex offender out with no bail.
[05:52]	DaemonFC	The prosecutor has to demonstrate that an actual identifiable person faces risk if they let you out.
[05:52]	DaemonFC	So they can do that if you "assaulted" someone (misdemeanor) but not necessarily if someone was busted for child porn.
[05:53]	DaemonFC	(felony)
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[06:43]	DaemonFC	https://i.redd.it/63144437otn91.png
[06:43]	DaemonFC	Celebrities by jet emissions per year.
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[07:37]	TR News	 (NEW): KDE Announces Plasma Bigscreen for TV UI, Brings 5.26 Beta http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/16/KDE_Announces_Plasma_Bigscreen_for_TV_UI_Brings_5_26_Beta.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/16/KDE_Announces_Plasma_Bigscreen_for_TV_UI_Brings_5_26_Beta.gmi 
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[07:52]	TR News	"What can you expect to find inside? Well, weve taken as many of the very best projects, guides, tutorials, and reviews as we could" https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/the-official-raspberry-pi-handbook-2023-your-definitive-guide-to-everything-raspberry-pi/ | Source: Raspberry Pi
[07:52]	TR Bot	 The Official Raspberry Pi Handbook 2023 - your definitive guide to everything Raspberry Pi - Raspberry Pi
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[07:54]	TR Bot	 'OpenBGPD 7.6 released' - MARC
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[07:55]	TR News	"be a compliment, not a cudgel" https://blogs.perl.org/users/al_newkirk/2022/08/introducing-venus-a-new-world-for-perl-5.html | Source: Perl
[07:55]	TR Bot	Venus, a new world for Perl 5 | AWNCORP [blogs.perl.org]
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[07:57]	TR News	[Old] "The study of neuron morphology requires robust and comprehensive methods to quantify the differences between neurons of different subtypes and animal species. Several software packages have been developed for the analysis of neuron tracing results stored in the standard SWC format" https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.13.443832v1 |
[07:57]	TR Bot	 nGauge: Integrated and extensible neuron morphology analysis in Python | bioRxiv
[07:58]	TR News	"The techniques used by UNC4034 in this compromise, along with the techniques used in countless intrusions investigated by Mandiant" https://www.mandiant.com/resources/blog/dprk-whatsapp-phishing |
[07:58]	TR Bot	Time to PuTTY! DPRK Job Opportunity Phishing via WhatsApp | Mandiant
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[08:00]	TR News	"Jackson residents have faced a water crisis since then that included no running water because of problems at the citys main facility" https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/boil-notice-lifted-jackson-nearly-7-weeks-water-crisis-mississippi-off-rcna47967 | Source: NBC
[08:00]	TR Bot	 Boil notice lifted for Jackson after nearly 7 weeks of water crisis, Mississippi officials announce
[08:01]	TR News	"The Slack system was taken offline on Thursday afternoon by Uber after employees received the message from the hacker" https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/digital-security/uber-says-responding-to-cybersecurity-incident-after-report-of-network-breach/94236845 | Source: India Times
[08:01]	TR Bot	 Uber says responding to 'cybersecurity incident' after report of network breach, CIO News, ET CIO
[08:01]	TR News	"The breach appeared to have compromised many of Ubers internal systems, and a person claiming responsibility for the hack" https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/15/technology/uber-hacking-breach.html | Source: New York Times
[08:01]	TR Bot	 Uber Investigating Breach of Its Computer Systems - The New York Times
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[08:10]	TR News	"Computers, phones, household appliances, virtual assistance devices, cars, toys..." https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/internet-of-things/eu-wants-tough-rules-on-internet-of-things-products/94234603 | Source: India Times
[08:10]	TR Bot	 EU wants tough rules on 'internet of things' products, CIO News, ET CIO
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[08:10]	TR News	"People often talk about self-hosting as a singular concept when in reality its a spectrum of options with very different trade-offs." https://thomask.sdf.org/blog/2022/09/15/a-taxonomy-of-hosting-options.html | Source: Thomas Karpiniec
[08:10]	TR Bot	 A taxonomy of hosting options, for personal data security
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[08:14]	TR News	"A report by the Tech Transparency Project in May found 435 pro-militia videos on YouTube" https://www.voanews.com/a/youtube-meta-will-expand-policies-research-to-fight-online-extremism-/6750016.html | Source: VOA News
[08:14]	TR Bot	 YouTube, Meta Will Expand Policies, Research to Fight Online Extremism
[08:14]	TR News	"Fick will be the bureaus first-ever ambassador-at-large following its launch in April." https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/3645263-senate-confirms-first-ever-cyber-ambassador/ | Source: The Hill
[08:14]	TR Bot	 Senate confirms first-ever cyber ambassador | The Hill
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[08:15]	TR News	State Departments Bureau of Cyberspace and Digital Policy https://therecord.media/senate-confirms-fick-as-first-u-s-cyber-ambassador/ | Source: The Record
[08:15]	TR Bot	 Senate confirms Fick as first U.S. cyber ambassador - The Record by Recorded Future
[08:15]	TR News	[Old] "The aim of Finlands national cyber security strategy is to respond to cyber threats" https://um.fi/cyber-security-and-the-cyber-domain |
[08:15]	TR Bot	 Cyber security and the cyber domain - Ministry for Foreign Affairs
[08:16]	TR News	"Social media and messaging apps are some of the first places they turn to and crisis pregnancy centers know it." https://www.teenvogue.com/story/crisis-pregnancy-centers-social-media-ads | Source: Teen Vogue
[08:16]	TR Bot	 Crisis Pregnancy Centers Are Running Ads on TikTok, Snapchat, and Instagram | Teen Vogue
[08:16]	TR News	"One year later, a jury was unable to reach consensus on if Bhasin was mentally fit to stand trial." https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/werewolf-killer-banned-social-media-1234594171/ | Source: Rolling Stone
[08:16]	TR Bot	 He Killed a Stranger He Thought Was a Werewolf. A Judge Just Banned Him From Social Media Rolling Stone
[08:16]	TR News	"A prosecutor called his Facebook dating profile intentionally misleading" https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/northern-virginia/judge-orders-alexandria-werewolf-killer-pankaj-bhasin-off-social-media-after-dating-profile-sparks-concern/3158351/ |
[08:16]	TR Bot	 Judge Orders Alexandria Werewolf Killer Off Social Media After Dating Profile Sparks Concern NBC4 Washington
[08:16]	TR News	"Fear is not what we need to propagate. Censorship is not a game to be played" http://thecountyline.net/pages/letter-to-the-editor-censorship-is-not-a-game-to-be-played/ |
[08:17]	TR Bot	 The County Line | Letter to the editor: Censorship is not a game to be played - The County Line
[08:17]	TR News	"A lawyer who represents journalists and is familiar with the case told VOA Burmese that the prosecutor did not provide evidence" https://www.voanews.com/a/myanmar-sentences-journalist-with-bbc-to-three-years-labor-/6749500.html | Source: VOA News
[08:17]	TR Bot	 Myanmar Sentences Journalist with BBC to Three Years Labor
[08:18]	TR News	"Smith had opened the door of the ambulance into the door of the unmarked police car LoTiempo had parked in the emergency vehicle" https://www.whec.com/top-news/news10nbc-exclusive-body-worn-camera-video-shows-moments-after-emt-was-arrested-in-strong-emergency-room/ | Source: Hubbard Broadcasting
[08:18]	TR Bot	Exclusive: Body-worn camera video shows moments after EMT was arrested in Strong Emergency Room - WHEC.com
[08:18]	TR News	"seems right now that the railway workers might be in a position similar to that of their sisters and brothers in IATSE" https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/rail-workers-strike-agreement/ | Source: The Nation
[08:18]	TR Bot	 Rail Workers, Nurses, Teachers Are Fighting From the Bottom Up | The Nation
[08:18]	TR News	"To boost ACP enrollment, speakers encouraged schools to reach out directly to families." https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2022/09/white-house-presses-outreach-initiatives-for-affordable-connectivity-program/ | Source: Broadband Breakfast
[08:18]	TR Bot	 White House Presses Outreach Initiatives for Affordable Connectivity Program : Broadband Breakfast
[08:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-16.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[08:20]	TR News	"When the league signed network deals last year to show its games, Amazon was included in the whopping 11 year package" https://text.npr.org/1123006928 | Source: BillPR
[08:20]	TR Bot	 Ready, set, stream a new NFL era begins Thursday
[08:20]	TR News	"The suit is limited to California, where officials said Amazon had around 25 million customers" https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/14/technology/california-files-antitrust-lawsuit-against-amazon.html | Source: New York Times
[08:20]	TR Bot	 California Files Antitrust Lawsuit Against Amazon - The New York Times
[08:21]	TR News	Copyrights: "For investors who look to yield predictable, long-term returns from these revenue streams" https://variety.com/vip-special-reports/banking-on-entertainment-a-special-report-1235367200/ | Source: Variety
[08:21]	TR Bot	on Entertainment: A Special Report - Variety
[08:22]	TR News	The gov. just uses the back doors Microsoft provides https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/corporate-responsibility/law-enforcement-requests-report?rtc=1
[08:22]	TR Bot	Enforcement Request Report | Microsoft CSR
[08:22]	TR News	old: is this legal? No. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/nov/06/google-nsa-gchq-spying-judicial-process
[08:22]	TR Bot	 Google engineer accuses NSA and GCHQ of subverting 'judicial process' | Google | The Guardian
[08:22]	TR News	Imagine Letting a Power Company Control Your Thermostat https://odysee.com/@AlphaNerd:8/imagine-letting-a-power-company-control:6
[08:22]	TR Bot	 Imagine Letting a Power Company Control Your Thermostat
[08:23]	TR News	"My Motorola G100 have a feature called Ready For that allows the phone not only to be mirrored to the TV but also a fully fledged desktop OS, very cool!" gemini://ivanodintsoff.smol.pub/lagrange-living-room-tv
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[08:25]	TR News	Use the real version. This is a straw man. https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/hackers-trojanize-putty-ssh-client-to-backdoor-media-company/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/09/trojanized-versions-of-putty-utility-being-used-to-spread-backdoor/
[08:25]	TR Bot	 Hackers trojanize PuTTY SSH client to backdoor media company
[08:25]	TR Bot	 Trojanized versions of PuTTY utility being used to spread backdoor | Ars Technica
[08:25]	TR News	mysql in spain https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=es&tl=en&u=https://www.mysql.com/news-and-events/events/mysql-day-madrid-2022/
[08:25]	TR Bot	 MySQL :: MySQL Day Madrid
[08:26]	TR News	hungary is a democracy; neither is the eu https://www.voanews.com/a/eu-lawmakers-declare-that-hungary-is-no-longer-a-democracy-/6750005.html
[08:26]	TR Bot	 EU Lawmakers Declare That Hungary is No Longer a Democracy
[08:27]	TR News	Buzzwords++++. "AIoT" https://ubuntu.com//blog/asus-iot-and-canonical-partner-on-ubuntu-certification-for-iot-applications | Source: Ubuntu
[08:27]	TR Bot	IoT and Canonical partner on Ubuntu Certification for IoT Applications | Ubuntu
[08:28]	TR News	"Arch Linux has a reputation for being an intimidating operating system to use, especially for beginners." https://www.tecmint.com/garuda-linux-review/ | Source: TecMint
[08:28]	TR Bot	 Garuda Linux - A Linux Distribution Based on Arch Linux
[08:29]	TR News	"Making the best city-builder even better, the Cities: Skylines - Plazas & Promenades expansion is out now." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/cities-skylines-plazas-a-promenades-expansion-is-out-now/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[08:29]	TR Bot	Skylines - Plazas & Promenades expansion is out now | GamingOnLinux
[08:30]	TR News	"Failbetter Games (Fallen London, Sunless Skies) has put up a brand new trailer for the upcoming release of Mask of the Rose." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/mask-of-the-rose-from-failbetter-games-gets-a-brand-new-trailer/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[08:30]	TR Bot	of the Rose from Failbetter Games gets a brand new trailer | GamingOnLinux
[08:31]	TR News	"here's what to expect for the Linux desktop and Steam Deck" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/tinybuild-and-versus-evil-team-up-for-a-games-bundle/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[08:31]	TR Bot	and Versus Evil team up for a games bundle | GamingOnLinux
[08:32]	TR News	"Mesa, the open source driver set for GNU/Linux, has two rather interesting bits of work done recently that gamers might want to keep an eye on" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/mesa-gets-a-big-csgo-speedup-plus-upcoming-amd-radv-performance-boost/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[08:32]	TR Bot	gets a big CS:GO speedup, plus upcoming AMD RADV performance boost | GamingOnLinux
[08:34]	TR News	"The H96 MAX V58 is a TV Box equipped with the octa-core Rockchip RK3588 System on Chip (SoC) which features up to 8GB of RAM and up to 64GB of eMMC storage." https://linuxgizmos.com/rk3588-soc-based-tv-box-supports-8k60fps-resolution/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
[08:34]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/rk3588-soc-based-tv-box-supports-8k60fps-resolution/ )
[08:34]	mixling	btw. with a roll-back to linux-2.4 era hardware, at that time Intel didn't equip their laptops and mainboards with IntelME
[08:35]	TR News	"odot Engine, the powerful free and open source game engine that is becoming increasingly popular has a massive new Beta release available for Godot 4" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/godot-engine-4-hits-beta-with-absolutely-loads-new/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[08:35]	TR Bot	Engine 4 hits Beta with absolutely loads new | GamingOnLinux
[08:35]	TR News	"Team17 have announced that the latest big free update for Golf With Your Friends is out now, plus it's going on a Free Weekend so you can try before you buy" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/golf-with-your-friends-gets-a-free-sports-update-plus-a-free-weekend/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[08:35]	TR Bot	With Your Friends gets a free Sports Update, plus a Free Weekend | GamingOnLinux
[08:35]	TR News	"The next-generation X-Plane 12 flight simulator is on the way, with it now being officially announced as available in Early Access with a Beta." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/x-plane-12-flight-sim-is-now-available-in-early-access-with-linux-support/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[08:35]	TR Bot	12 flight sim is now available in Early Access with Linux support | GamingOnLinux
[08:35]	TR News	"The absolute classic that is Broken Sword 2 from Revolution Software just got a big surprise update" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/broken-sword-2-gets-a-big-upgrade-along-with-steam-deck-support/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[08:35]	TR Bot	Sword 2 gets a big upgrade along with Steam Deck support | GamingOnLinux
[08:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	shes like an encyclopedia that eats culture and shits out common sense https://yewtu.be/watch?v=vRBsaJPkt2Q
[08:36]	TR Bot	 Cringe | ContraPoints - Invidious
[08:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	i think 10 or 20 clones would be a safe/good number
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[08:41]	TR News	"In the previous article, we learned how to run commands in a directory as root via sudo." https://ostechnix.com/prevent-command-arguments-with-sudo/ | Source: OSTechNix
[08:41]	TR Bot	Command Arguments With Sudo In Linux - OSTechNix
[08:41]	TR News	"This brief guide explains how to allow an user to run all programs in a directory via sudo and deny the user to run programs in other directories" https://ostechnix.com/run-programs-in-a-directory-via-sudo/ | Source: OSTechNix
[08:41]	TR Bot	All Programs In A Directory Via Sudo In Linux - OSTechNix
[08:41]	TR News	 (NEW): Games: Cities: Skylines, Mask of the Rose, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/16/Games_Cities_Skylines_Mask_of_the_Rose_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/16/Games_Cities_Skylines_Mask_of_the_Rose_and_More.gmi 
[08:41]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Games: Cities: Skylines, Mask of the Rose, and More
[08:43]	TR News	Fully Oxidizing `ring`: Creating a Pure Rust TLS Stack Based on `rustls` + `ring` https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=6521
[08:43]	TR Bot	 Fully Oxidizing `ring`: Creating a Pure Rust TLS Stack Based on `rustls` + `ring` bunnie's blog
[08:44]	TR News	Python Package Manager PIP Cheat Sheet for Linux <p class="dropcap-first"> <a class="readon" title="Linux Shell Tips" href="https://www.linuxshelltips.com/pip-cheat-sheet-linux/">Read on</a>
[08:44]	TR Bot	 Python Package Manager PIP Cheat Sheet for Linux
[08:45]	TR News	IRC Proceedings: Thursday, September 15, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/16/irc-log-150922/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/16/irc-log-150922/
[08:45]	TR Bot	 IRC Proceedings: Thursday, September 15, 2022 | Techrights
[08:46]	TR News	Python Package Manager PIP Cheat Sheet for Linux https://www.linuxshelltips.com/pip-cheat-sheet-linux/ Source: Linux Shell Tips | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.linuxshelltips.com/pip-cheat-sheet-linux/
[08:47]	TR News	Asus IoT, Canonical partner on Ubuntu Linux certification for IoT apps - Telecompaper https://www.telecompaper.com/news/asus-iot-canonical-partner-on-ubuntu-linux-certification-for-iot-apps--1437509 Source: | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.telecompaper.com/news/asus-iot-canonical-partner-on-ubuntu-linux-certification-for-iot-apps--1437509
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[08:48]	TR News	Just delete ChromeOS, install a 'proper' GNU/Linux on that https://chromeunboxed.com/camera-access-for-linux-on-chromeos-may-be-very-close/
[08:48]	TR Bot	 Camera access for Linux on ChromeOS may be very close
[08:51]	TR News	Ultra Lab Refresh - Sudo Show - TuxDigital https://tuxdigital.com/podcasts/sudo-show/ultra-lab-refresh/ Source: Tux Digital | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//tuxdigital.com/podcasts/sudo-show/ultra-lab-refresh/
[08:51]	TR Bot	Lab Refresh - Sudo Show - TuxDigital
[08:52]	TR News	"The Shiteo card will come out, thanks NShitia" http://ultimateedition.info/the-unthinkable-has-happened/
[08:52]	TR Bot	 The Unthinkable has happened. - Ultimate Edition
[08:53]	TR News	OpenCL 3.0.12 is out
[08:55]	TR News	"Ubuntu is a Nguni Bantu term meaning humanity and is often translated as I am because we are." Or "because we are Microsoft" if you go by Canonical's definition https://uknow.uky.edu/campus-news/graduate-and-professional-students-staff-and-faculty-invited-ubuntu-orientation
[08:55]	TR Bot	 Graduate and professional students, staff and faculty invited to Ubuntu Orientation | UKNow
[08:56]	TR News	FOSS Weekly #22.34: Books to Master Linux, Dangerous Commands, Torvalds on Apple M2 and More <p class="dropcap-first"> <a class="readon" title="Yahoo News" href="https://news.itsfoss.com/foss-weekly-22-34/">Read on</a>
[08:56]	TR Bot	 FOSS Weekly #22.34: Books to Master Linux, Dangerous Commands, Torvalds on Apple M2 and More
[08:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	holy fuck
[08:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	ive never heard of chris-chan, i feel like i just lost the game
[08:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me cheats and looks ahead
[08:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 30.66 k/sec., IPFS upstream 54.53 average k/sec., average swarm size 184.26
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[09:00]	TR News	 (NEW): Penpot is a Solid Open-Source Figma Alternative to Look Out for! http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/16/Penpot_is_a_Solid_Open_Source_Figma_Alternative_to_Look_Out_for.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/16/Penpot_is_a_Solid_Open_Source_Figma_Alternative_to_Look_Out_for.gmi 
[09:00]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Penpot is a Solid Open-Source Figma Alternative to Look Out for!
[09:03]	schestowitz[TR]	f chris-chan?
[09:03]	schestowitz[TR]	does not ring a bell
[09:03]	schestowitz[TR]	is that like 4/6 chan?
[09:03]	schestowitz[TR]	or some chinese name?
[09:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	no, shes an an autistic transwoman who...
[09:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	just google it
[09:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	im speechless. me.
[09:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	just dont think i lump her in with anyone else who is autistic, or trans, or both
[09:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	this is someone who makes stallman look like the coolest motherfucker who-- poor choice of words
[09:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	the coolest person who ever lived
[09:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	though honestly, i think stallman is pretty cool all in all
[09:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	really
[09:08]	schestowitz[TR]	rms is in another universe
[09:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	id also note that the only reason ive ever heard of this person is im watching natalie wynn, who i would marry without a second thought
[09:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	yes, and that universe is a lot cooler than this piece of shit.
[09:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	though even this piece of shit has its moments. and stallman. at least part-way.
[09:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	natalie wynn isnt a free software person, but im pretty sure if she made a video about free software it would be the smartest video ever made on the subject
[09:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	probably not enough to reboot the movement
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[09:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	but if stallman was (even) smarter he would give wynn a few housand, say "make this video please" and then NOT try to direct her
[09:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	because his directions would never help make that video a thing
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[09:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	the video would be better than digital vegan-- which ive read, and liked
[09:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	and it would cover the coup
[09:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	honestly if i had a few thousand to spare, id give her that and say "please make this video"
[09:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	other people make videos about topics
[09:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	she makes documentaries... about youtube topics
[09:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	this one is about cringe
[09:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	and its a fucking documentary on the topic
[09:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	holy fucking shit
[09:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-16.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[09:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	i thought id learned the worst of it when i read she was arrested for 
[09:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	nope
[09:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	nope
[09:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	this just gets worse and worse
[09:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	i feel sorry for geno samuel
[09:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	if he ever reaches self awareness, say some time after death
[09:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	hes going to come back just so he can kill himself
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[09:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	"its also not lost on me that this is the seventh time ive dressed as an anime catgirl 'to make fun of them'"
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[09:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	so much of what shes talking about in this video was used against stallman and against free software...
[09:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	for decades
[09:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	i mean this is the internet at its very fucking worst-- this it the internet that lessig talks about like maybe it wasnt such a great idea after all
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[09:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	which i dont agree with and lessig probably doesnt either
[09:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	but oh, i summoned its mascot
[09:40]	matteobin	Sorry, I've just joined the channel. What are you talking about?
[09:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	sorry, every new person is either phanes or herr doktor. which one are you?
[09:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	also i totally know your handle, so how is that possible
[09:42]	XRevan86	https://themoscowtimes.com/2022/09/16/a78807
[09:42]	TR Bot	 Ukraine Reveals Discovery of Mass Grave as U.S. Announces New Aid - The Moscow Times
[09:43]	mixling	"provide lethal aid to Ukraine" RAND Corp. USA, 2019, end quote.
[09:43]	matteobin	I'm not herr doktor, but I don't know what "phanes" means. I'm not a native English writer.
[09:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	ok, hi
[09:44]	matteobin	I've already written on this chat, maybe you do remember me. 
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[09:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	this channel is mostly about the russian invasian of ukraine, youtube, whatever nazi bullshit herr doktor is on, and of course, mandy
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[09:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	its also technically about free software and the internet
[09:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	(officially)
[09:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	but you can see for yourself how that works out
[09:45]	matteobin	Who herr doktor is? I thought this channel was about digital rights and tech related philosophy.
[09:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	maybe it was once
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[09:45]	matteobin	I'm confused now.
[09:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	its pointless to tell you who herr dokor is because zeroing in on his handle is like trying to tune an am radio you built out of scrap wire and toilet roll
[09:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	<matteobin> I'm confused now. <- welcome to #techrights where confusion is guaranteed
[09:47]	XRevan86	highest_cubist_thrills means mixling, who's original nickname in this channel was activelow and he's also known as aggi.
[09:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	initially this might seem like its my fault-- feel free to look around and decide for yourself
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[09:48]	matteobin	Oh, you are talking about a former member of this channel. Got it.
[09:48]	matteobin	I don't know herr doktor.
[09:49]	matteobin	I heard about this IRC server from another guy on IRC called Som4H4x0r.
[09:50]	matteobin	And I knew your website.
[09:51]	matteobin	I've read your wiki pages about the Linux Foundation.
[09:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	no, youre thinking of roy
[09:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	and his website
[09:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	oh, you know somehackor
[09:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	yeah he was just here actually
[09:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats how i know your handle. ok, hi
[09:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	maybe i saw you in #digdeeper via the bridge or something
[09:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	seriously though, this channel has had dozens of the same guy using as many handles lately
[09:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	its making people cynical, i mean me
[09:53]	matteobin	Yesterday I joined this channel to ask about the ThinkPad X270.
[09:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	what about the thinkpad x270
[09:54]	matteobin	Well I'm really me, Matteo Bini.
[09:54]	matteobin	I wanted to know if it were good like the old ones.
[09:55]	matteobin	Anyway, what were you saying about Richard Stallman?
[09:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont know old thinkpads
[09:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont know much about new ones either
[09:56]	matteobin	I got my answers from another user, don't worry. :)
[09:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	whats to say about richard stallman? he created a movement, hes one of the more important people of the 20th/21st century, its a shame what they did to that movement
[09:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	i consider the free software movement dead, personally
[09:56]	matteobin	Yeah, I know him. I like him.
[09:57]	matteobin	You were saying this: "so much of what shes talking about in this video was used against stallman and against free software..." What was this about?
[09:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	natalie wynns video on "cringe"
[09:57]	matteobin	Why do you consider the Free Software movement dead?
[09:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	also the name of the video on youtube
[09:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	aka contrapoints
[09:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	but not just "cringe" i meant the details of the video itself
[09:58]	matteobin	Oh, I got it. A lot of people consider Stallman cringe so they don't even listen to his saying. Right?
[09:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	specifically when she starts talking about ingroup cringe
[09:59]	matteobin	*to what he says
[09:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	but yes
[09:59]	matteobin	That's sad, even if it's a classic trait of human nature.
[09:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	but its not even that they dont listen
[09:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	they dont think other people should listen either
[09:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	because if they listen, that will only encourage him, and he will just keep doing it
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[10:00]	matteobin	That's even worst! :D
[10:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	naturally
[10:00]	matteobin	Why do you consider the movement dead? I like Stallman and Free Software.
[10:01]	mixling	GPL is too weak, that's what RMS isn't honest about
[10:01]	mixling	and the arbitrary line drawn down to non-free hardware is another misnomer of his
[10:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	what theyve done of course is destroyed the entire movement 
[10:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	if stallman painted it into a corner, theyve doused it with petrol and lit a match
[10:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	it had enough problems without them
[10:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	maybe this was inevitable, but i dont think letting them off the hook so easily is their answer
[10:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	theyve made their fire, and now they should burn in it
[10:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	metaphorically speaking
[10:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	though honestly, they can go ahead...
[10:03]	mixling	just see, which opensource implementations are available for x86 IBM Wintel hardware: it's the ao486 without USB, without ethernet, and clocked at a few dozen MHz on FPGA
[10:03]	mixling	i mean, GNU compiler, good luck with using this one on an ao486 opensource x86 system
[10:04]	mixling	and x86 IBM Wintel is what's promoted by FSF/GNU/RMS/Linux whoever
[10:04]	TR News	"This weeks openSUSE Tumbleweed snapshots had several KDE packages updated and an update affecting scripts related to grep." https://news.opensuse.org/2022/09/15/plasma-gear-frameworks-up-in-tw/ |
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[10:04]	matteobin	These are all very serious issues we shoud care and fight for.
[10:05]	TR News	"In the future, this will be integrated into settings." https://puri.sm/posts/auto-contrast-on-librem-5-smartphones/ | Source: Purism
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[10:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	natalie wynn is definitely my spirit animal.
[10:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	shes my image of intellectual perfection. by no means do i think shes perfect
[10:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	just close enough.
[10:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	These are all very serious issues we shoud care and fight for. <- on the more constructive side of things
[10:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	the rising battle for free hardware is an opportunity to rekindle the free software movement
[10:07]	matteobin	However from what you are writing I get a sense of resignation.
[10:07]	TR News	Department of Homeland Security https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/09/san-francisco-police-must-end-irresponsible-relationship-northern-california | Source: EFF
[10:07]	TR Bot	 San Francisco Police Must End Irresponsible Relationship with the Northern California Fusion Center | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[10:07]	matteobin	Do you think that all hope is lost?
[10:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	its the long way around, so im not counting on any immediate results
[10:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	 Do you think that all hope is lost? <- ill answer that with a very broad metaphor.
[10:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	im agnostic. when i was 4 i was a strong atheist, like stallman is.
[10:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	but in my teens i worked out how we could have reincarnation in a world with no gods and no afterlife.
[10:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	seems like a contradiction in terms
[10:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	but my reasoning went like this
[10:08]	schestowitz[TR]	 god and afterlife are separate
[10:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	with or without a god, its basically impossible for anything to exist in the first place
[10:09]	schestowitz[TR]	karma for instance
[10:09]	schestowitz[TR]	incarnation
[10:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	i mean, existence should not be possible
[10:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	but we do it anyway
[10:09]	schestowitz[TR]	some yuppies turn to bhuddism
[10:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	its a very godlike trick, but i was coming at this from science
[10:09]	schestowitz[TR]	but seems to be with lifestyle, not actual belief
[10:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	buddha started as a yuppie, so it fits
[10:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	he rejected it
[10:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	and became enlightened
[10:10]	mixling	nowadays, the options available with "software freedom" are that limited, GNU/FSF/BSD/Linux/whoever would loose 99.9% of their users and developers if restraining themselves to the criteria, of freedom
[10:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	its impossible for us to exist at all
[10:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	but we do it anyway
[10:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	assuming the universe ceases to exist
[10:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	or even if it doesnt
[10:10]	TR News	FOSTA https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/09/fight-overturn-fosta-unconstitutional-internet-censorship-law-continues | Source: EFF
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[10:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	existing the first time around was impossible and we did it anyway
[10:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	its impossible to exclude the possibility that in an infinite amount of time we woudlnt exist a second, third, infinite number of times
[10:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	so this was my atheism-friendly theory of reincarnation
[10:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	i guess i was bored
[10:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	 Do you think that all hope is lost? <- i mean...
[10:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	ultimately damned near anything is possible.
[10:11]	TR News	FTC https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/09/members-congress-urge-ftc-investigate-fog-data-science | Source: EFF
[10:11]	TR Bot	 Members of Congress Urge FTC to Investigate Fog Data Science | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[10:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	nearly everything we do is impossible already
[10:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	so thats obviously not a problem
[10:12]	TR News	Anti-SLAPP https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/09/its-time-federal-anti-slapp-law-protect-online-speakers | Source: EFF
[10:12]	TR Bot	 Its Time For A Federal Anti-SLAPP Law To Protect Online Speakers | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[10:12]	mixling	GPL, sufficed to protect an open development model, to acquire development man power, unpaid often
[10:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	so like douglas adams used to say
[10:12]	TR News	Patagonia https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/15/patagonias-founder-found-the-only-way-to-be-a-good-billionaire/ | Source: Scheerpost
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[10:12]	mixling	with an implied argument, any prestige could be earned with this
[10:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	at most we can talk about whats likely or improbable
[10:13]	mixling	in the end, the development man-power is lured into proprietary shitware "made in USA" spying on users and developers and everyone
[10:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	it might happen anyway, but some things are extremely unlikely to happen
[10:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	but again-- it might happen
[10:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	etc
[10:14]	mixling	an open development model, is desireable with "free software" of cause, however an open development model which GPL protects does not protect software-freedom
[10:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	some people will keep trying
[10:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont see many, and i spend a lot of time looking
[10:14]	TR News	"iconic hacker artist Eddie" https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/09/effs-def-con-30-puzzle-solved | Source: EFF
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[10:14]	mixling	because, in the end, whoever the copyright holders are finally, let me guess, IBM/RedHat/Wintel/Pentagon/RAND corp
[10:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	hopefully free software will reboot eventually
[10:14]	mixling	it is them finally decide about licensing terms
[10:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	but i dont think "when" is a question with a happy answer
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[10:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	now? no.
[10:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	soon? probably not.
[10:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	much later? perhaps/
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[10:15]	TR Bot	New Police ExpertFormerly of the NYPD and FBIMisleads Audience With Crime Claims scheerpost.com
[10:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	i think it has to, eventually. but probably not anytime soon.
[10:15]	TR News	National Railroad Strike https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/15/freight-workers-explain-why-national-railroad-strike-is-looming/ | Source: Scheerpost
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[10:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	for now its just dead
[10:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	free hardware is interesting
[10:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	its not something i know much about
[10:16]	TR News	Stiffing https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/15/price-increases-persist-despite-supply-chain-progress/ | Source: Scheerpost
[10:16]	TR Bot	Increases Persist Despite Supply Chain Progress scheerpost.com
[10:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	im much more suited to free software
[10:16]	mixling	the distinction of free/open hardware from free/open source software is a MISNOMER already
[10:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	the difference is that free hardware is making progess, slowly
[10:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	and free software isnt
[10:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	advocacy is mostly about fooling oneself now
[10:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	and denying the obvious and endless evidence
[10:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	and generally bullshitting
[10:18]	mixling	the difference is, there isn't none, free hardware, to rely upon
[10:18]	mixling	and the term "hardware" is unspecific
[10:18]	mixling	digital circuitry, it's just source code
[10:19]	mixling	and mathematics, just like any other free "software"
[10:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	i do think its possible to be optimistic without bullshit
[10:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	it wouldnt be easy
[10:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	it would have to be very cautious, very frank, very reserved optimism
[10:20]	mixling	however, FSF/GNU/RMS chose to perpetuate the misnomer "software freedom" ended exactly when it benefits the monopolist RAND corp cartell USA
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[10:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats just not most people
[10:21]	matteobin	Are you implying that the current situation is due to Stallman's errors?
[10:21]	matteobin	Or are you saying that he was not honest to begin with.
[10:21]	matteobin	*with?
[10:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	i really dont blame stallman
[10:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont think its fair or honest to blame someone who has had literally thousands of people attacking him at the same time
[10:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	in a dishonest way
[10:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	has he failed? yes. is there anyone doing better? not that i can tell.
[10:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	so basically id be blaming him for not being superhuman.
[10:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	when he nearly is.
[10:23]	mixling	with "free hardware" i don't refer to manufacturing either, i refer to the documentation, source-codes, schematics, digital circuitry etc
[10:23]	matteobin	Right, I get it. :D
[10:23]	mixling	of cause, manufacturing, can't be free as in gratis
[10:23]	mixling	software development can't be either
[10:23]	matteobin	What about minimal software, i.e. suckless software?
[10:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	i think its a good thing. i dont think by itself, thats the answer
[10:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	but for example, i use dwm
[10:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	its literally suckless
[10:24]	mixling	suckless isn't minimal with regards to the dependency graph they rely upon
[10:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	but also, the reason i use it is that every alternative is either based on microsoft github 
[10:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	or has libraries from gnome
[10:24]	matteobin	I've started to thinking that we don't need that much software. Less is more and the most great software is already Free as in freedom.
[10:24]	matteobin	You're right about suckless dependencies.
[10:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	i can make an argument for less is more-- i can actually make several arguments for it
[10:25]	matteobin	*the greatest
[10:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	but someone who used to lead a project i was involved with would talk about
[10:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	doing "more, with less"
[10:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	and he thought this was an important difference with sheer minimalism
[10:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	i still think minimalism is good
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[10:26]	mixling	btw. i think there is another reason, why much of hardware documentation isn't open source, other reasons than "intellectual property" and "patents"
[10:26]	mixling	i think, many manufacturers and engineers simply haven't got sufficient quality documentation and oversight
[10:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://techrights.org/2020/11/14/removing-monopoly/
[10:26]	mixling	over their own products
[10:26]	TR Bot	 The Surest Path to Freedom is Removing Your Software | Techrights
[10:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	i also think boycotting github is good. impossible really, but worth trying
[10:26]	mixling	and it doesn't generate cash-flow into USA shareholder pockets either
[10:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	theres certainly no better way to get a picture of how much microsoft has taken over.
[10:27]	matteobin	Right. I concur.
[10:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	i also do what i can to boycott the people i consider traitors to the movement
[10:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	i still use pgp though
[10:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	i still use tor
[10:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	and i havent completely removed gnome from my computer, i still use gtk for a (VERY) few things
[10:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	eliminating gtk entirely would be nice
[10:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	i must use at least 3 applications that require it
[10:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont use kde either.
[10:29]	mixling	salvaging GTK would be nice, i think it's not possible anymore, at least i doubt it will happen
[10:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	its not that i dont like software
[10:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	im waiting for the movement to stop being shit
[10:29]	mixling	motif widget toolkit, which is 100% free nowadays, won't attract any developers nor users anymore either
[10:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	i think its going to be a while.
[10:30]	matteobin	What I was trying to say was that, yes, we face every day huge obstacles to software freedom; however there are many great FOSS software and we don't need a FOSS Discord kind of app, because it's not what I would like as an hacker.
[10:31]	MinceR	just fork gtk2
[10:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	<MinceR> just fork gtk <- thats not a bad idea
[10:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	i didnt deliberately truncate the 2
[10:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	blame my mouse
[10:31]	mixling	gtk2 already fully entangled with the flawed unicode implementation, which was the final reason i removed all GTK2/3 (besides the systemd/dbus clutter)
[10:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	however i think at least 1/3 of the applications i use requires gtk3
[10:32]	mixling	it was still possible, to cleanup gtk2/3 to avoid systemd/dbus etc.; detangling the flawed unicode implementation wasn't possible
[10:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	and will surely require gtk4 eventually
[10:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	id like to be rid of it for obvious reasons
[10:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	getting rid of gtk2 is easier, if i could do that
[10:33]	mixling	that's why i think there is still an argument to be made, for motif widget toolkit (which got unicode support and isn't poisoned by systemd clutter)
[10:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	if you were throwing up constantly because of a debilitating illness
[10:34]	mixling	the netsurf-motif port i brought to linux, is still worth some effort, however if haven't got the time, and motif won't attract anyone nowadays, neither developers nor users
[10:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	forking gtk2 would be like spending all your energy developing a cure for throwing up all the time
[10:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	youd still have the bigger problem (though the cure might be worth it)
[10:34]	TR News	This Simple Light-Controlled Synth https://hackaday.com/2022/09/15/this-simple-light-controlled-synth-has-a-surprisingly-rich-sound/ | Source: Hackaday
[10:34]	TR Bot	Simple Light-Controlled Synth Has A Surprisingly Rich Sound | Hackaday
[10:35]	highest_cubist_thrills	i think throwing up a lot is a good metaphor for gtk
[10:35]	mixling	last weekend i decided, i won't accept any GNU autotools/automake anymore, neither GNU-toolchain nor GNU-buildsystem
[10:36]	TR News	"Since the early 2000s, the CPU industry has shifted from raw clock speed to core counts" and energy is still wasted https://hackaday.com/2022/09/15/fork-and-run-the-definitive-guide-to-getting-started-with-multiprocessing/ | Source: Hackaday
[10:36]	TR Bot	And Run: The Definitive Guide To Getting Started With Multiprocessing | Hackaday
[10:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	especially if you run the application from the console, where its constantly regurgitating nonsense about how no distribution ever bothered to create a fontconfig that conformed to the most pointless rule of configs ever created
[10:36]	mixling	for software quality reaons, technical reasons, not political ones; GPL is acceptable, although i consider it too weak
[10:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats something i need to be flooded about every time my mouse clicks something
[10:37]	TR News	"Nickel and Dimed" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/15/honoring-barbara-ehrenreich-who-exposed-how-toxic-positivity-used-dismiss-economic | Source: Common Dreams
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[10:37]	mixling	for software freedom, thats another one RMS remained rather silent about, it should have been both, GPL/Copyleft in conjunction with _STANDARDS_ compliance
[10:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	if you want to help free software, one of the best things you can do is use free software
[10:38]	mixling	GNU implementation variants, often are the ones who "improve" upon POSIX, with specific extensions...
[10:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	unless youre a gnome developer
[10:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	if youre a gnome developer, the best thing you can do to help free software, is kill yourself.
[10:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	that would really help the entire world, and if you think about it, it only takes minutes.
[10:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	its definitely possible to screw it up, so planning it carefully helps.
[10:40]	mixling	2022-09-16 09:38:22 <highest_cubist_thrills> if youre a gnome developer, the best thing you can do to help free software, is kill yourself
[10:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	not that i think anyone is actually going to
[10:40]	techuser	just a GNOME developer?
[10:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	but it would still be a step forward
[10:40]	techuser	I think it is about most developers these days
[10:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	<techuser> just a GNOME developer? <- no
[10:40]	techuser	things are only getting worse
[10:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	but if i listed everyone that might be able to help that way, then ill REALLY sound like an arsehole.
[10:41]	techuser	programmers are told to write shitty code
[10:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	shitty code doesnt bother me
[10:41]	techuser	using shitty frameworks or whatever
[10:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	shitty code is really the default variety.
[10:41]	techuser	bloated
[10:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	good code isnt easy. its probably not even common.
[10:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	that doesnt bother me. im not a fucking nazi.
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[10:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	i write shitty code. every person i know who has written code, has written plenty of shitty code.
[10:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	its the deftault.
[10:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	like my shitty typing.
[10:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	writing something as fuck-awful as gnome
[10:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	that takes SKILL. EFFORT. ORGANISATION.
[10:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	and maybe a true burning hatred for the human race. i wouldnt know
[10:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont actually hate the human race
[10:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	i feel like maybe i should, but i just dont
[10:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	ive even tried.
[10:44]	mixling	i didn't question developer competence, instead, the fact millions of hours of precious development man power is wasted, this makes it WORSE, not any better
[10:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	i wont go as far as to say writing something like systemd requires skill though
[10:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	i mean, enough monkeys with enough typewriters, smoking enough crack SHOULD be able to manage it
[10:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	perhaps if you beat them
[10:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	then again, if you do that not only will you have to deal with peta, youd also have to explain that you meant LITERALLY beating a monkey, not...
[10:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	anway
[10:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	linus got there first
[10:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	and hes basically the simon cowell of c code
[10:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	except that he can sing
[10:49]	matteobin	What do you think about Purism, the company?
[10:50]	mixling	who thinks what?
[10:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	leah passionately hates them
[10:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	their take on purism makes as much sense as anyone elses
[10:50]	mixling	i can understand this
[10:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	so im guessing purism is something to avoid
[10:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	particularly anything from the todd who runs...
[10:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	is it todd weaver?
[10:51]	mixling	that's a problem often, "libre hardware" is confused with "libre firmware"
[10:51]	mixling	that's NOT the same
[10:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	i thought it made bryan lunduke look like he was going legit-- this really should have been a red flag
[10:52]	matteobin	What do you mean with "going legit"?
[10:52]	matteobin	I like Lunduke from time to time, even if his opinions are really generic.
[10:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	i mean lunduke strikes me as a complete sleazeball and is probably incapable of being a reasonable person for any sustained period of time
[10:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	or maybe even the length of a youtube video 
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[10:55]	matteobin	Sleazeball? Why?
[10:55]	mixling	purism barely meets the criteria "libre firmware", with anything they offer for sale
[10:55]	schestowitz[TR]	purism is a Brand (TM)
[10:55]	mixling	and it's certainly not "free hardware"; there isn't none
[10:56]	schestowitz[TR]	just more tracking devices
[10:56]	mixling	too, it distracts customers and developers from what "free hardware" really is and where to look for it
[10:56]	schestowitz[TR]	with debian+gnome
[10:56]	schestowitz[TR]	and hype
[10:56]	mixling	btw. too i direct this critique mildly towards coreboot/libreboot... theirs isn't free hardware
[10:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	Sleazeball? Why? <- the way he treated stallman in one of the first videos i ever watched lunduke on is a factor here
[10:57]	matteobin	Now you are making me feel bad about purchasing the Librem 5! :D
[10:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	but really, 90% of what ive seen of lunduke since doesnt indicate that it was a fluke
[10:57]	mixling	as far as "free" x86 hardware is concerned, the ao486 is the "best" you can get, without USB and without Ethernet, clocked at a few dozen MHz
[10:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	hes an opportunist, hes very stuck on himself, he doesnt seem to have any guiding principles that arent based on... creating an audience
[10:57]	mixling	and, back to GNU/FSF/RMS and their software, have fun with GCC on an ao486 FPGA
[10:58]	schestowitz[TR]	matteobin: don't feel bad
[10:58]	schestowitz[TR]	if you NEEd a mobile phone, that's the least bad
[10:58]	schestowitz[TR]	but movile phones are hopeless
[10:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	Now you are making me feel bad about purchasing the Librem 5! <- maybe the phone itself isnt so bad
[10:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	but i wouldnt give purism the money 
[10:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	 that's the least bad <- wouldnt pinephone be better
[10:58]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2022/09/03/privacy-of-mobile-phones/
[10:58]	TR Bot	 The Privacy Problem Associated With All Mobile Phones (Even Dumb Ones) is Worse Than Snowden Put It | Techrights
[10:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	with the caveat of still being a phone of course
[10:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	i mean i dont necessarily disagree with what you said about phones...
[10:59]	schestowitz[TR]	pinephone is cheaper
[10:59]	schestowitz[TR]	I saw reviews of pinephones and librems (5)
[10:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	arent the makers also less terrible than purism?
[10:59]	schestowitz[TR]	neither solve the big issues
[10:59]	schestowitz[TR]	but...
[10:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	neither could
[10:59]	schestowitz[TR]	they give you 'proper' gnu/linux in the pocket
[10:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	its gsm, its fucked
[10:59]	schestowitz[TR]	nokia tried to do this over a decade agfo
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[10:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	yeah
[10:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	msnokia
[10:59]	schestowitz[TR]	then, Microsoft and Elop assassinated Nokia
[10:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	exactly
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[11:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	but again
[11:00]	mixling	Telekom sucks, yes
[11:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	isnt purism bad enough that pinephone would be better?
[11:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	as for pinephone is cheaper, isnt the price of purisms stuff also ridiculous?
[11:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	from their own page: Purism is a Social Purpose Corporation founded by Todd Weaver in 2014.
[11:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	lol
[11:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	"social purpose"
[11:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	i was making sure i had the right todd
[11:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	and the right company. i was 90% sure it was purism
[11:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	i havent seen any rebuttal of anything leah said about them
[11:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	maybe not everyone passinately agrees-- but ive seen no rebuttal. or even evidence to the contrary.
[11:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	at worst theyre a scam, at best, they suck?
[11:04]	matteobin	What about this "Todd Weaver" guy?
[11:04]	matteobin	I know he's the founder.
[11:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	leah talks about him like hes a charlatan
[11:04]	matteobin	But why do you think he's a scam?
[11:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	until i see a rebuttal i think that sounds reasonable
[11:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	a lot of people felt scammed over simple failures to deliver
[11:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	paired with terrible customer service
[11:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	but it sounds like it goes beyond that
[11:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	i mean, the worse ive heard is in the chat logs, but since i dont have a copy anymore i cant simply grep them
[11:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	the chat logs for this channel
[11:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	where they talk about purism
[11:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	for starters they charge A LOT
[11:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	they also make a very big deal out of practices leah says werent very innovative
[11:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	there were other complaints
[11:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	really it all adds up to a pretty negative picture
[11:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	but maybe leahs wrong
[11:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	so far no one has come out to defend weaver
[11:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	ive heard mostly negative things from people in general
[11:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	if i had to buy an expensive phone, i can honestly say i wouldnt get one from them
[11:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	if i were looking for an alternative id look to pinephone
[11:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	but really im not in the market for a smartphone at all
[11:08]	mixling	alternative to what? for what?
[11:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont like android, or apple, or microsoft
[11:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	i wanted a huiwei but they literally wouldnt sell it to me :)
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[11:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	we had it out of the box, i had cash in hand
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[11:09]	mixling	if you're interested in free/opensource radio, maybe some ax.25 amateur radio is possible, with both free hardware and free software
[11:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	it was hilarious
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[11:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	i ended up buying from another store
[11:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	but i never got my huiwei
[11:09]	matteobin	Regarding pinephones, they are able to sell those phones because of Purism software stack. Is this correct?
[11:09]	mixling	that's what i mean, the advertising for the coreboot and libre-phone stuff, it distracts, from what free/opensource really is
[11:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	that i have no idea
[11:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	your guess is as good as mine
[11:09]	matteobin	I don't think pinephones could exist without Purism.
[11:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	but id ask someone other than purism about this
[11:10]	matteobin	It's not a guess: they have the same software stack, developed by Purism.
[11:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	beacuse once again, according to leah, todd weaver takes credit for a lot of things he shouldnt
[11:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	they have the same software stack, developed by Puris <- if anything this makes me less likely to want a pinephone either
[11:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	not that the software is necessarily bad
[11:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	ive heard mostly good things about pinephone, fwiw
[11:11]	matteobin	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosh
[11:11]	TR Bot	 Phosh - Wikipedia
[11:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	if its the same software... 
[11:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	the software cant be THAT bad
[11:11]	matteobin	This was developed by Purism.
[11:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	okay
[11:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	like i said, im not in the market for a smartphone
[11:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	so this is very hypothetical for me
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[11:11]	matteobin	Do you have a dumb phone?
[11:11]	mixling	none of the "libre" phones got a free/opensource UMTS modem, none of them, there isn't none
[11:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	i always avoid apple and android
[11:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	so it has to be dumber than that
[11:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	and i dont like touchscreens
[11:12]	mixling	ax.25 or some hayes300 modem stuff, that's were freedom ends. for developers
[11:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	phones keep getting more sophisticated. id like to be mobile-free eventually
[11:13]	mixling	that's another critique, directed towards FSF/GNU/RMS whoever: they haven't got the relevant stuff on their radar
[11:14]	mixling	and instead distract and lure precious development man-power into the realm of spying shitware "made in USA"
[11:15]	matteobin	I agree on this.
[11:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	but as for "until then" who knows
[11:15]	matteobin	I've bought the Librem 5 to support Purism, because I thought they were a nice company.
[11:15]	matteobin	But I don't like phones.
[11:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	i only mention what i do about purism because i have some respect for leahs opinion on these things
[11:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	i certainly dont agree with them on everything
[11:16]	matteobin	I loathe the idea of being always reachable.
[11:17]	matteobin	However I do recognise that having a phone sometimes is useful.
[11:17]	matteobin	Buy you could carry it switched OFF and then use it only in case of emergency.
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[11:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	yeah i mean
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[11:18]	TR Bot	 30 Years in the Making: U.S. Rail Strike Averted by Tentative Deal as Workers Decry Grueling Conditions | Democracy Now!
[11:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	when i had a samsung galaxy
[11:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	i used to remove the battery a lot, id even started cutting a hole in the back panel to make it easier to remove :)
[11:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	the panel came off really easily, i was just working on making it easier
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[11:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	then the finfisher shit happened and i cancelled my contract
[11:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	i turned it into a wifi tablet and ultimately gave it away
[11:20]	TR News	SiFive unveils Automotive E6-A, X280-A, and S7-A RISC-V processors - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/16/sifive-automotive-e6-a-x280-a-and-s7-a-risc-v-processors/ Source: CNX Software | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/16/sifive-automotive-e6-a-x280-a-and-s7-a-risc-v-processors/
[11:20]	TR Bot	 SiFive unveils Automotive E6-A, X280-A, and S7-A RISC-V processors - CNX Software
[11:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	it was a nice piece of hardware really
[11:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	and that was about a decade ago!
[11:21]	TR News	Beetle RP2040 is a tiny Raspberry Pi RP2040 board with easily solderable pads - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/16/beetle-rp2040-tiny-raspberry-pi-rp2040-board-easily-solderable-pads/ Source: CNX Software | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/16/beetle-rp2040-tiny-raspberry-pi-rp2040-board-easily-solderable-pads/
[11:21]	TR Bot	 Beetle RP2040 is a tiny Raspberry Pi RP2040 board with easily solderable pads - CNX Software
[11:23]	TR News	Amazon Sidewalk network?????????? https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/16/denova-detect-natural-gas-alarm-works-with-amazon-sidewalk-network/
[11:23]	TR Bot	 DeNova Detect natural gas alarm works with Amazon Sidewalk network - CNX Software
[11:23]	TR News	"Smart City"=smut shitty
[11:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	phones have come a long way in 10 years
[11:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	but actually not so much
[11:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	its kind of shocking
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[11:31]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Proprietary Software and Security Woes
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[11:35]	mixling	you know what, if a thinkpad R60 boots with linux-2.4, that's still a decent device, to work with, for another decade or two
[11:36]	mixling	those thinkpads, didn't have an IntelME, some models are supported by coreboot/libreboot
[11:37]	mixling	a dual-core with 2GHz something, thats' fast, 3GiB of RAM, suffice, and those laptops aren't expensive
[11:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	oh as a bonus, i think i found a contrapoints video that al sweigart didnt cofund
[11:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	its not her fault, but i wouldnt take his money
[11:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	(dont ask me how shes supposed to know)
[11:39]	mixling	the power consumption of them, is notably higher, than the ARM SBC i am working with currently
[11:39]	mixling	i think those hit 30Watts or more, while a cortex a53 is maxed at 5Watts
[11:40]	mixling	and this, is a notable difference, with the excess energy price explosions in Germany
[11:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	fossbytes: To strengthen Librem 5 development, Purism has already partnered with open source leaders like GNOME and KDE
[11:41]	mixling	and there is still some time remaining, to repair linux-2.4 32bit year2038 problem
[11:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://jaylittle.com/post/view/2019/10/the-sad-saga-of-purism-and-the-librem-5-part-1
[11:41]	TR Bot	 Jay Little - Software Obsessionist - The Sad Saga of Purism and the Librem 5 : Part 1
[11:41]	mixling	and maybe, once upon a time, IBM Wintel RAND corp. realize, it would be smart to opensource and release documentation for their hardware, beyond what we got with ao486
[11:43]	mixling	i mean, in the end, the entire industry is approach the dead at all fronts, and when they smash into the brickwall until then i would rather get away as cheap as possible
[11:43]	mixling	matteobin: a Thinkpad R60 is much cheaper than a x270
[11:43]	mixling	they're limited to 3GiB RAM maximum though
[11:44]	mixling	however, if this doesn't suffice, i would rather question what is labeled as "free software" nowadays
[11:45]	matteobin	I know, but my friend wants to see Netflix on it.
[11:47]	techuser	they should torrent and not Netflix
[11:47]	matteobin	I know, but my friend is not like me.
[11:48]	matteobin	Anyway I'm looking at a R60 on eBay.
[11:48]	matteobin	Why do you prefer Linux 2.4 to Linux 5?
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[11:48]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
[11:49]	mixling	linux-2.4: much less lines of code, known to compile with tcc-toolchain, no UEFI whatsoever, and linux-2.4 should have all hardware support ready for those think r60 (and similar models)
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[11:50]	matteobin	So I gues you don't like Debian. :D
[11:50]	matteobin	What about NetBSD?
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[11:50]	mixling	matteobin: only acquire such an R60 if you really need any, and pick one with integrated intel graphics
[11:51]	matteobin	Why do you say so?
[11:51]	mixling	then there is different CPUs from intel, Intel Core, and Intel Core2, the latter Core2 support 64bit (which aren't necessary, just saying)
[11:51]	mixling	matteobin: because such thinkpads are precious to those who do work with them for particular reasons
[11:51]	matteobin	Got it.
[11:52]	mixling	and if it's not the niche of yours, instead watching Netfucks, an R60 is absolutely useless
[11:52]	matteobin	I like the R60, my friend watches Netflix. I don't! :P
[11:53]	matteobin	What about the MNT Reform?
[11:53]	matteobin	https://shop.mntmn.com/products/mnt-reform
[11:53]	TR Bot	 MNT Reform Laptop - MNT Research Shop
[11:53]	mixling	it's expensive
[11:53]	mixling	however, they bother with "libre firmware" too
[11:53]	matteobin	But do you like it better than Purism offerings?
[11:54]	mixling	both, any R60 or the mnt reform laptop are better choices than Purism offerings (whatever those are nowadays, i put recent models onto ignore for many years already)
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[11:54]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines IPFire 2.27 - Core Update 170 released
[11:55]	mixling	anyway, all those hardware choices have this in common: it's non-free closed-source RAND corp pentagon stuff
[11:55]	mixling	at "best" an ao486 SoC on FPGA, without USB and without Ethernet, this is what you get as "free" as in free as in free only
[11:55]	matteobin	That's sad.
[11:57]	mixling	anyway, that's why i continue working on tcc-toolchain integration, and GNU-toolchain/buildsystem removal
[11:58]	mixling	because, GNU-toolchain/buildsystem are painfully slow, when working 100% from source with "free software"
[11:59]	mixling	and that's reason enough, to dispose most of the shitware such as moz/chrome/webkit... it's almost impossible to compile all this on decent hardware
[11:59]	mixling	gnu-toolchain, thats several hours, recently llvm/clang added anouther few hours of maximum heat emission
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[12:00]	mixling	that's why i am wondering, who those "software freedom activists" are? don't they at least compile their software from source?
[12:00]	mixling	if they did, they knew what a pain GNU-toolchain/buildsystem and Mapple LLVM are
[12:03]	mixling	i am not sure yet, if the R60 is fully supported with linux-2.4
[12:04]	mixling	the earlier thinkpad models, were all single-core CPUs, which too would suffice for me, however, i'd rather have a dual core cpu
[12:07]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/16/today_s_leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/16/today_s_leftovers.gmi 
[12:07]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's leftovers
[12:07]	TR News	 (NEW): Canonical/Ubuntu on Clown Computing and Other Buzzwords/Fashionable Marketing ("AIoT") http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/16/Canonical_Ubuntu_on_Clown_Computing_and_Other_Buzzwords_Fashion.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/16/Canonical_Ubuntu_on_Clown_Computing_and_Other_Buzzwords_Fashion.gmi 
[12:07]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Canonical/Ubuntu on Clown Computing and Other Buzzwords/Fashionable Marketing ("AIoT")
[12:07]	TR News	 (NEW): Red Hat/IBM: Kubernetes, Java, and Working From HomeRed Hat/IBM: Kubernetes, Java, and Working From Home http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/16/Red_Hat_IBM_Kubernetes_Java_and_Working_From_HomeRed_Hat_IBM_Ku.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/16/Red_Hat_IBM_Kubernetes_Java_and_Working_From_HomeRed_Hat_IBM_Ku.gmi 
[12:07]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Red Hat/IBM: Kubernetes, Java, and Working From HomeRed Hat/IBM: Kubernetes, Java, and Working From Home
[12:08]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/16/today_s_howtos.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/16/today_s_howtos.gmi 
[12:08]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
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[12:09]	TR News	 (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/16/Android_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/16/Android_Leftovers.gmi 
[12:09]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Android Leftovers
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[12:12]	matteobin	I try to be a Software Freedom activist!
[12:12]	matteobin	Even if I use Windows because of work.
[12:12]		*Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #techrights
[12:12]	matteobin	But I'm trying to find a new job.
[12:12]	matteobin	:d
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[12:12]	matteobin	*:D
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[12:13]	TR News	Links 16/09/2022: Peropesis 1.7 and IPFire 2.27 - Core Update 170 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/16/peropesis-1-7/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/16/peropesis-1-7/
[12:13]	TR Bot	 Links 16/09/2022: Peropesis 1.7 and IPFire 2.27 Core Update 170 | Techrights
[12:13]	matteobin	What do you think of SCC, Simple C Compiler?
[12:15]	matteobin	https://git.simple-cc.org/scc/file/README.html
[12:15]	TR Bot	 README - scc - simple c99 compiler
[12:17]	TR News	"smart displays. Theyre basically speakers too" - they are MASS surveillance devices and bugs. Society needs to mock, ridicule, berate people who buy or spread these (as "gifts") https://www.maketecheasier.com/smart-home/choosing-best-smart-display/
[12:17]	TR Bot	 The Ultimate Guide to Choosing Your Next Smart Display - Make Tech Easier
[12:18]	TR News	"Corporate Subscriptions" https://www.phoronix.com/news/Oktoberfest-Sale-2022 can they pay in CPUs?
[12:18]	TR Bot	Oktoberfest Special Begins, Premium Now Accept Stripe & Corporate Subscriptions Available - Phoronix
[12:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-16.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[12:22]	TR News	Espionage. If that was Assange, they'd kill him. https://truthout.org/articles/trump-admits-to-taking-government-docs-but-claims-he-declassified-them/ | Source: TruthOut
[12:22]	TR Bot	 Trump Admits to Taking Government Docs, But Claims He Declassified Them
[12:23]	TR News	Unionised = more powerful https://truthout.org/articles/minor-league-baseball-players-are-unionized-for-the-first-time-in-history/ | Source: TruthOut
[12:23]	TR Bot	 Minor League Baseball Players are Unionized for the First Time in History
[12:23]	TR News	Preparing to lock people up like cattle, while feeding them toxins? https://truthout.org/articles/across-the-midwest-counties-are-building-new-jails-on-toxic-land/ | Source: TruthOut
[12:23]	TR Bot	 Across the Midwest, Counties Are Building New Jails on Toxic Land
[12:24]	TR News	When incarceration is death https://truthout.org/articles/human-rights-groups-urge-un-to-call-for-abolition-of-death-by-incarceration/ | Source: TruthOut
[12:24]	TR Bot	 Human Rights Groups Urge UN to Call for Abolition of Death by Incarceration
[12:24]	TR News	Galdeano https://hackaday.com/2022/09/15/2022-cyberdeck-contest-the-galdeano-is-more-than-a-graphing-calculator/ | Source: Hackaday
[12:24]	TR Bot	Cyberdeck Contest: The Galdeano Is More Than A Graphing Calculator | Hackaday
[12:25]	TR News	Entering The Nocturnal Aftermath Entering The Nocturnal Aftermath
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[12:28]	TR News	"This is a product of not having enough new blood at the top." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/15/progressives-slam-absolutely-unacceptable-punt-congressional-stock-trading-ban | Source: Common Dreams
[12:28]	TR Bot	 Progressives Slam 'Absolutely Unacceptable' Punt of Congressional Stock Trading Ban
[12:30]	TR News	Can US Democracy Survive This Fall? No, it's a loaded question. The US does not have a democracy. Nothing to 'survive'... it's all controlled by billionaires. https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/15/can-us-democracy-survive-fall | Source: Common Dreams
[12:30]	TR Bot	 Opinion | Can US Democracy Survive This Fall? | Amy Goodman
[12:31]	TR News	US prepares to start another war. Wants to carry on selling weapons (e.g. Taiwan) after Ukraine. The only thing US still manufactures and sells. https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/15/anti-war-voices-warn-us-bill-taiwan-will-make-war-much-more-likely | Source: Common Dreams
[12:31]	TR Bot	 Anti-War Voices Warn US Bill on Taiwan 'Will Make War Much More Likely'
[12:31]	TR News	Ukraine isn't winning. It's just US using the locals as weapon operators. https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/15/report-warns-us-militarized-response-russia-could-provoke-nuclear-war | Source: Common Dreams
[12:31]	TR Bot	 Report Warns US Militarized Response to Russia Could Provoke Nuclear War
[12:33]	TR News	People Worldwide Name US as a Major Threat to World Peace. Heres Why. https://truthout.org/articles/people-worldwide-name-us-as-a-major-threat-to-world-peace-heres-why/ https://www.visionofhumanity.org/maps/
[12:33]	TR Bot	 People Worldwide Name US as a Major Threat to World Peace. Here's Why.
[12:33]	TR Bot	 Global Peace Index Map The Most & Least Peaceful Countries
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[12:34]	TR News	The United States of America as a Sacrifice Zone https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/15/united-states-america-sacrifice-zone | Source: Common Dreams
[12:34]	TR Bot	 Opinion | The United States of America as a Sacrifice Zone | Rev. Dr. Liz Theoharis
[12:35]	TR News	Ukraine cannot defeat Russia. Russia has nukes. At best, Ukraine can convince Russia to stop the invasion.
[12:36]	TR News	BEUC and greenwashing https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/15/expert-groups-resign-protest-over-crass-greenwashing-eu-climate-panel | Source: Common Dreams
[12:36]	TR Bot	 Expert Groups Resign in Protest Over 'Crass Greenwashing' of EU Climate Panel
[12:36]	TR News	"the fossil fuel industry has 'greenwashed' its record" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/15/thats-fraud-explosive-docs-reveal-depth-climate-lies-big-oil-ahead-house-hearing | Source: Common Dreams
[12:36]	TR Bot	 'That's Fraud': Explosive Docs Reveal Depth of Climate Lies by Big Oil Ahead of House Hearing
[12:39]	TR News	Linux Foundation continues to 'legitimise' unethical things like surveillance and even outright frauds by lending the Linux Mark to them; it harms Linux https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/12/Facebook_Openwashing_via_the_Linux_Foundation.shtml
[12:39]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Facebook Openwashing via the Linux Foundation (UPDATEDx6)
[12:40]	mixling	matteobin: with SCC, the provided libc contains assembly, which any assembler needs to digest
[12:40]	TR News	Valve inadvertently shows off the Steam Deck Dock @ Tokyo Game Show (plus other Deck news) - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=U-VMCludH1M | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/U-VMCludH1M
[12:40]	TR Bot	 Valve inadvertently shows off the Steam Deck Dock @ Tokyo Game Show (plus other Deck news) - Invidious
[12:40]	mixling	hence the question is, what you think about the assembler (binutils?) for this
[12:41]	mixling	because without an assembler, you'll have nothing with scc and it's libc
[12:41]	mixling	and i don't want any GNU-toolchain no more
[12:42]	TR News	Teachers https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/15/justice-teachers-strike-started-red-wave | Source: Common Dreams
[12:42]	TR Bot	 Opinion | Justice for Teachers: The Strike That Started the Red Wave | Jackson Potter
[12:42]	mixling	binutils and their gas assembler
[12:42]	matteobin	Got it!
[12:42]	matteobin	Thanks.
[12:42]	TR News	Well, capitalism works great! Just not for many people... https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/15/its-time-acknowledge-endless-growth-model-under-capitalism-unsustainable | Source: Common Dreams
[12:42]	TR Bot	 Opinion | It's Time to Acknowledge the Endless Growth Model Under Capitalism Is Unsustainable | John Feffer
[12:43]	TR News	Is Taiwan a US colony? https://torrentfreak.com/u-s-pressures-taiwan-to-ban-pirate-tv-boxes-but-chinas-not-too-interested-220915/ | Source: Torrent Freak
[12:43]	TR Bot	Pressured Taiwan to Ban Pirate TV Boxes But China's Not Too Interested * TorrentFreak
[12:43]	TR News	Let China sell weapons to Hawaii to "protect" itself from Washington. See how Americans like it...
[12:44]	TR News	Maybe Xi can pay a visit to Gabbard in Hawaii and see how Washington reacts. Microsoft Pelosi isn't a liberal, she's a corrupt corporate hawk which puts off leftist voters.
[12:45]	TR News	Wage theft https://truthout.org/video/for-decades-rail-executives-have-raked-in-record-profits-at-workers-expense/ | Source: TruthOut
[12:45]	TR Bot	 For Decades, Rail Executives Have Raked in Record Profits at Workers' Expense
[12:47]	TR News	What Bidens mean to people with less than $100,000,000 in the bank https://truthout.org/articles/bidens-actions-are-a-start-but-the-us-is-still-sacrificing-poor-people/ | Source: TruthOut
[12:47]	TR Bot	 Biden's Actions Are a Start, But the US Is Still Sacrificing Poor People
[12:49]	TR News	Putin's bloodied palms; "the site contained approximately 440 bodies. He said that some of the people were killed intentionally while others were killed by artillery fire and airstrikes." https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/09/16/mass-grave-containing-more-than-440-people-found-in-izyum
[12:49]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[12:49]	TR News	"The war in Ukraine has caused Russian officials to start drinking more than ever" https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/09/15/they-ve-taken-to-the-bottle | Source: Meduza
[12:49]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[12:50]	TR News	"The Russian government is implementing a major budget sequester after the countrys largest revenue slump since at least 2011." https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/09/15/russian-government-to-cut-spending-by-10-percent-after-summer-revenue-slump | Source: Meduza
[12:50]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[12:52]	TR News	If Russia is in a weak position, the West should try to reach a peace deal with Russia, but that would 'spoil' the weapon sales. Cornering Russia just means nuclear war. Everyone loses. WAR IS A RACKET. Arrest the people who protect this racket.
[12:53]	TR News	Debt kills https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/09/15/they-re-mostly-after-loans | Source: Meduza
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[12:54]	TR News	St. Petersburg https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/09/15/st-petersburg-court-fines-municipal-deputies-who-called-for-putin-s-removal | Source: Meduza
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[12:54]	bnchs	>The war in Ukraine has caused Russian officials to start drinking more than ever
[12:54]	bnchs	drinking drowns out the pain
[12:55]	bnchs	therefore it's good for now
[12:55]	schestowitz[TR]	some people drink to celebrate
[12:56]	TR News	Russia's regime will have no support from Russians when they find out https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/09/15/you-are-weaklings-waging-a-war-against-civilians-says-zelensky-in-response-to-russian-missile-strikes-in-kryvyi-rih | Source: Meduza
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[12:56]	TR News	"The Ukrainian president's motorcade was involved in an accident in Kyiv on the night of September 15, 2022." https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/09/15/zelensky-s-motorcade-involved-in-accident-in-kyiv | Source: Meduza
[12:56]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[12:57]	TR News	Oops? https://thegrayzone.com/2022/09/15/zelensky-bodyguards-hitler-patch/ | Source: The Gray Zone
[12:57]	TR Bot	 Zelensky quietly deletes photo of his bodyguards pro-Hitler patch - The Grayzone
[12:57]	TR News	GNU/Linux-based Pi https://hackaday.com/2022/09/15/a-rpi-hat-for-synchronized-measurements/ | Source: Hackaday
[12:57]	TR Bot	RPI HAT For Synchronized Measurements | Hackaday
[12:58]	TR News	The trademark maximalists https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/15/uk-restaurant-threatens-other-uk-restaurant-over-trademark-on-taqueria/ | Source: Techdirt
[12:58]	TR Bot	Restaurant Threatens Other UK Restaurant Over Trademark On Taqueria | Techdirt
[12:58]	TR News	Safety? It's not about that. Safety of the oligarchs, maybe... https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/15/uk-pressing-forward-with-online-safety-bill/ | Source: Techdirt
[12:58]	TR Bot	Pressing Forward With Online Safety Bill | Techdirt
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[12:59]	TR News	Surveillance companies like these should be rejected entirely; they ought not even exist. https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/15/instagrams-flopping-tiktok-knockoff-reels-shows-that-big-companies-cant-just-copy-their-way-to-success/ | Source: Techdirt
[12:59]	TR Bot	Flopping TikTok Knockoff, Reels, Shows That Big Companies Cant Just Copy Their Way To Success | Techdirt
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[13:00]	TR News	Facebook is a mass surveillance system with a Web interface and an "app" for people to enter data about themselves
[13:00]	TR News	Copyright Office https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/15/even-the-copyright-office-doesnt-want-what-the-jcpa-is-selling/ | Source: Techdirt
[13:00]	TR Bot	The Copyright Office Doesnt Want What The JCPA Is Selling | Techdirt
[13:19]	psydruid	binutils and the gas assassin
[13:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-16.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[13:23]	psydruid	> [notice] Phoronix Oktoberfest Special Begins, Premium Now Accept Stripe & Corporate Subscriptions Available - Phoronix
[13:23]	psydruid	All hail the new AMD CPUs, which cause older but still very useful AMD CPUs to become available at much lower prices. AMDronix will never say that, of course.
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[17:49]	TR News	Newsom https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/15/gavin-newsom-fucks-over-the-open-internet-signs-disastrously-stupid-age-appropriate-design-code/ | Source: Techdirt
[17:49]	TR Bot	Newsom Fucks Over The Open Internet, Signs Disastrously Stupid Age Appropriate Design Code | Techdirt
[17:49]	TR News	"Just a somewhat periodic reminder: publicly-funded colleges are government entities. Almost every public university is." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/15/court-to-public-university-yeah-its-a-1st-amendment-problem-when-you-delete-comments-you-dont-like/ | Source: Techdirt
[17:49]	TR Bot	To Public University: Yeah, Its A 1st Amendment Problem When You Delete Comments You Dont Like | Techdirt
[17:50]	schestowitz[TR]	<psydruid> All hail the new AMD CPUs, which cause older but still very useful AMD CPUs to become available at much lower prices. AMDronix will never say that, of course.
[17:50]	schestowitz[TR]	I know what corporate subscriptions means
[17:50]	schestowitz[TR]	from the patent sites
[17:50]	schestowitz[TR]	it's when law firms want to bribe the poublisher 
[17:51]	schestowitz[TR]	in exchange for PR and stuff
[17:51]	schestowitz[TR]	so you say to them,
[17:51]	schestowitz[TR]	you can buy paywall exceptionss for your firm
[17:51]	schestowitz[TR]	they say yes
[17:51]	schestowitz[TR]	pass you a wad of money
[17:51]	schestowitz[TR]	and then they pay for the PR services
[17:51]	schestowitz[TR]	but they write it down as subscription
[17:51]	schestowitz[TR]	iot's a way of passing a bribe in a sense
[17:51]	schestowitz[TR]	I emntioned this in many videos alojgng the way
[17:52]	schestowitz[TR]	it's a moral and legal shield
[17:52]	schestowitz[TR]	you claim to have sold them a service
[17:52]	schestowitz[TR]	eanother one is,
[17:52]	schestowitz[TR]	buyinjg many copies of a book in advance
[17:52]	schestowitz[TR]	like,
[17:52]	schestowitz[TR]	microsoft tells jono bacon
[17:52]	schestowitz[TR]	write a book
[17:52]	schestowitz[TR]	say microsot has changes
[17:52]	schestowitz[TR]	we'll buy 1000 copies in advance
[17:52]	schestowitz[TR]	i.e. pay about $20,000
[17:53]	schestowitz[TR]	and then give your propagands of ours to 1000 of our staff
[17:53]	schestowitz[TR]	the point is to bribe for misleading books
[17:53]	schestowitz[TR]	this gets done a lot
[17:53]	schestowitz[TR]	i can smell this from a distance; wasn't born eysterday...
[17:53]	starstreak	Jono Bacon wrote a book praising microsoft?
[17:53]	schestowitz[TR]	then they have the "awards" scam
[17:53]	schestowitz[TR]	like, they make a tier of "recommended" firms and lawyers
[17:54]	schestowitz[TR]	and don't tell you that they pay to be listed
[17:54]	schestowitz[TR]	and then use these "awards" in their web sites to make them seem more respectable to piotentrial, prospective cliennts
[17:54]	schestowitz[TR]	starstreak: he published a BOOK
[17:54]	schestowitz[TR]	and it was endorsed by microsoft
[17:54]	schestowitz[TR]	upon launch
[17:55]	schestowitz[TR]	he has a nose for money
[17:55]	schestowitz[TR]	and is a phony
[17:55]	starstreak	did he actually praise microsoft in the book?
[17:55]	schestowitz[TR]	after brown-nosing mark shuittleowrth (ms) he did the same for microsoft
[17:55]	schestowitz[TR]	starstreak:  I didn't read it
[17:56]	schestowitz[TR]	but from the endorsements you can smell what happened there
[17:56]	schestowitz[TR]	he also worked for github
[17:56]	starstreak	yeah exactly
[17:56]	schestowitz[TR]	he confronted me for criticising microsoft
[17:56]	schestowitz[TR]	after the novell deal
[17:56]	schestowitz[TR]	as if anyone thought it was a good idea
[17:56]	starstreak	jono confronted you?
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[17:56]	schestowitz[TR]	he was here in thsi channel for years, too
[17:56]	schestowitz[TR]	spying on us, like mjg59_ 
[17:56]	schestowitz[TR]	and jperlow was here also
[17:57]	schestowitz[TR]	drpizzla
[17:57]	schestowitz[TR]	all sorts of microsofters
[17:57]	schestowitz[TR]	even microsoft employes (current)
[17:57]	starstreak	i always wondered why people like bacon and mjg59_ hang out in here when everyone hates them
[17:57]	starstreak	but then again a lot of people  hate me too
[17:57]	schestowitz[TR]	it's easier to stab people in the back
[17:57]	schestowitz[TR]	whenn you stand behind them
[17:57]	starstreak	isn't drpizza a pedophile?
[17:57]	schestowitz[TR]	yes
[17:57]	schestowitz[TR]	he came here to confront us
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[17:58]	schestowitz[TR]	he even used the nickname "drpizza"
[17:58]	starstreak	i remember his nickname
[17:58]	starstreak	from years ago when i was here before
[17:58]	schestowitz[TR]	we didn't know yet he was raping kids
[17:58]	schestowitz[TR]	mjg59_ will never mention drpizza
[17:58]	schestowitz[TR]	or graveley
[17:58]	schestowitz[TR]	or bill gates
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[17:58]	schestowitz[TR]	they are protected minorities
[17:58]	schestowitz[TR]	frew up rich
[17:58]	schestowitz[TR]	white
[17:58]	schestowitz[TR]	he would rather pick on finns and rms
[17:58]	starstreak	i had microsoft worshipping employer who was into kids, kept making lewd comments while i was doing deployments
[17:59]	schestowitz[TR]	you said that lasdt night
[17:59]	starstreak	yeah
[17:59]	schestowitz[TR]	you could report him
[17:59]	starstreak	i didnt have any evidence
[17:59]	schestowitz[TR]	microsoft has a big peedo issue
[17:59]	schestowitz[TR]	on many level
[17:59]	schestowitz[TR]	but I don't want to start talking about it here
[17:59]	schestowitz[TR]	they even tried to censor me
[17:59]	schestowitz[TR]	saying they had changed
[17:59]	starstreak	yeah makes sense, it takes away from the message too
[17:59]	schestowitz[TR]	and that me pointing out how they chased little girls hurt their feelings
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[18:00]	schestowitz[TR]	even when hwe have police cocs
[18:00]	schestowitz[TR]	mjg59_ has noi police docs
[18:00]	schestowitz[TR]	on TL
[18:00]	schestowitz[TR]	on RMS
[18:00]	schestowitz[TR]	he makes staff upo
[18:00]	schestowitz[TR]	and runs a bot army with other losers in that fake site
[18:00]	schestowitz[TR]	to do a libel swarm
[18:00]	schestowitz[TR]	we have actual police files
[18:00]	schestowitz[TR]	the brigade ignores verifiable evidence
[18:00]	schestowitz[TR]	because it would be wrong to pick on poor bill gates
[18:00]	schestowitz[TR]	and millionaires like graveley
[18:01]	schestowitz[TR]	until they suffocate like a dozen girls
[18:01]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe then they will look away from reiser
[18:01]	starstreak	reiser was hilarious, they caught him with books in his car 
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[18:02]	starstreak	books about evading investigations i think
[18:02]	schestowitz[TR]	he was smart about coding
[18:02]	schestowitz[TR]	dumb about anything else
[18:02]	schestowitz[TR]	and it was not hilarious
[18:02]	schestowitz[TR]	it's creepy 
[18:02]	starstreak	lol
[18:02]	schestowitz[TR]	he cut his own sife to pieces
[18:02]	schestowitz[TR]	*wife
[18:02]	schestowitz[TR]	dr. nina
[18:03]	starstreak	i have a morbid sense of humor i guess
[18:03]	starstreak	hes like Dexter i guess
[18:03]	starstreak	i forgot that he told them where to find the pieces
[18:04]	schestowitz[TR]	but remember why
[18:04]	schestowitz[TR]	plea bargain or something
[18:04]	schestowitz[TR]	reduce sentence
[18:04]	starstreak	yeah
[18:04]	schestowitz[TR]	he tried to get out early a couple of years ago
[18:04]	schestowitz[TR]	was denied
[18:05]	starstreak	thats the only reason why you would give away evidence against yourself
[18:05]	schestowitz[TR]	mayeb brave will recruit him
[18:05]	starstreak	LOL
[18:05]	schestowitz[TR]	the braveFS
[18:05]	schestowitz[TR]	to "own the libs"
[18:05]	starstreak	wait brave has a file system now?
[18:06]	schestowitz[TR]	they support ipfs
[18:06]	schestowitz[TR]	but it is not a real filesystem
[18:06]	schestowitz[TR]	just a virtual, networked one
[18:06]	starstreak	oh you were kidding when u said braveFS
[18:06]	starstreak	as if the browser wasn't already bloated enough
[18:06]	schestowitz[TR]	a lot of people I see who recommend brave are not my cup of teea
[18:06]	schestowitz[TR]	tbh
[18:06]	DaemonFC	mjg59_ has a blog that does a "stop and frisk" of your browser with JavaShit.
[18:06]	starstreak	mincer recommends it lol
[18:07]	starstreak	i was using brave but i switched back to firefox
[18:07]	DaemonFC	Probably looking for vulnerabilities to exploit and running fingerprinting attacks.
[18:07]	schestowitz[TR]	enough said ;-)
[18:07]	DaemonFC	No wonder he likes Dreamwidth.
[18:07]	schestowitz[TR]	i like MinceR 
[18:07]	schestowitz[TR]	but he has a dark sense of speech/attitude
[18:07]	schestowitz[TR]	a lot of brave users online seem to be "libertarian", like DaemonFC  said
[18:07]	schestowitz[TR]	free speech and all that
[18:07]	schestowitz[TR]	typically it turns out they support bigotry
[18:07]	schestowitz[TR]	but it's sppun as "Freedom"
[18:08]	starstreak	yeah Brandon Eich is a homophobe i found out
[18:08]	schestowitz[TR]	to them it's a feature
[18:08]	schestowitz[TR]	join the other "victim"
[18:08]	schestowitz[TR]	Dreamwidth.
[18:08]	schestowitz[TR]	DaemonFC: imagination..
[18:09]	DaemonFC	The SPLC tracks Brave users as a "hate group", which is too much.
[18:09]	DaemonFC	"Extremist software!"
[18:09]	schestowitz[TR]	yeah, unfair
[18:10]	schestowitz[TR]	microsoft is worse
[18:10]	schestowitz[TR]	and look at bill gatees
[18:10]	schestowitz[TR]	actual criminal
[18:10]	schestowitz[TR]	eich did not break any law
[18:10]	schestowitz[TR]	(aaik)
[18:10]	schestowitz[TR]	"i can't get off dreamsidth... can't get my fist round it either"
[18:10]	DaemonFC	At least not any law in the United States.
[18:10]	schestowitz[TR]	wait
[18:10]	schestowitz[TR]	by pakistani law
[18:10]	DaemonFC	People like mjg59_ aren't Americans and never will be because they don't support freedom of speech.
[18:11]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe the ones who fired him broke the law
[18:11]	DaemonFC	They don't accept the results of elections they don't like.
[18:11]	schestowitz[TR]	remember homosexuality is punishablle byd eath in about half a dozen nations
[18:11]	DaemonFC	They don't accept that not everyone agrees with them. Not agreeing with mjg59_ should mean life imprisonment or something, I suppose.
[18:11]	MinceR	brave seems to improve on chromium
[18:11]	schestowitz[TR]	most do
[18:11]	MinceR	while failfox is an inferior chromium clone
[18:11]	starstreak	being trans is also punishable by death in some places
[18:11]	schestowitz[TR]	chromium is a base for malwaree
[18:11]	schestowitz[TR]	chrome
[18:11]	MinceR	and there is not much else
[18:11]	schestowitz[TR]	chrome is the business mode
[18:12]	schestowitz[TR]	improving upon mlaware is easy
[18:12]	MinceR	as far as browsers for the "modern" web go
[18:12]	schestowitz[TR]	like librewolf vs firefox
[18:12]	MinceR	does librewolf support ALSA officially?
[18:12]	DaemonFC	Malware whose primary aim is to be a development platform for making more malware and a platform to run the malware.
[18:12]	DaemonFC	Like iOS.
[18:12]	schestowitz[TR]	they all it web bnecause it's a mess like a web
[18:12]	schestowitz[TR]	open page, get 30 domains, run 50 scripts obfuscated
[18:12]	schestowitz[TR]	open 10,000 system files and 100 sdockets
[18:13]	MinceR	afaict Eich is a terrible person, but he's far better at leading a browser project than the people mozilla installed in his place
[18:13]	schestowitz[TR]	eich spoke to me many times over the years via social control media
[18:13]	schestowitz[TR]	not sure how terrible he really is
[18:13]	MinceR	mozilla should have made sure the replacements are competent enough, but they didn't
[18:13]	schestowitz[TR]	on some things you won't agree with him
[18:14]	schestowitz[TR]	but on a lot of things, esp, technical, he was excellent, still is
[18:15]	DaemonFC	MinceRmozilla should have made sure the replacements are competent enough, but they didn't
[18:16]	DaemonFC	A lawyer who is effectively embezzling while calling for Web censorship. Mitchell Baker. mjg59_ likes people like her.
[18:16]	DaemonFC	"If you're good enough, you can do it right in front of people." -Eric Cartman on "cheating"
[18:16]	DaemonFC	Embezzlement is a form of cheating.
[18:17]	DaemonFC	"If you get caught, you just do what white people do. Say 'I misinterpreted the rules!'."
[18:17]	TR News	"Top brass at the railroads were willing to have a strike and plunge the nation back into supply chain hell." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/15/railway-workers-fight-shows-need-paid-sick-and-family-leave-says-economist | Source: Common Dreams
[18:18]	DaemonFC	Baker consolidated so much power over Mozilla that she can just double her pay every year or so while they lose another half of their users.
[18:18]	TR News	"This contract will not become final until our members have an opportunity to review its terms and approve it through a ratification vote" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/15/rail-unions-stress-tentative-deal-must-still-win-approval-rank-and-file | Source: Common Dreams
[18:18]	TR News	"Early in the morning on September 15, negotiators from unions representing nearly 60,000 rail workers reached a tentative agreement with the nations rail carriers" https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/rail-worker-union-agreement/ | Source: The Nation
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[18:19]	schestowitz[TR]	it's like florina at hp
[18:19]	schestowitz[TR]	it gives this false impression women cannot manage
[18:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-16.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[18:20]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2]: Biden inserted himself into the middle of this hoping people would heap praise on him if we just didn't have another in a long long line of avoidable catastrophes unfold under his watch.
[18:20]	schestowitz[TR]	also bartzmer (yahoo), mayer (yahoo),greene (vmware)...
[18:20]	schestowitz[TR]	that creates a bad stigma
[18:20]	DaemonFC	But otherwise, he had nothing to do with the rail contract.
[18:20]	schestowitz[TR]	and does not nhelp
[18:20]	schestowitz[TR]	ginii (imb)
[18:20]	schestowitz[TR]	virginia (icbm)
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[18:20]	TechrightsBot-tr	Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77
[18:21]	TR News	"When you imagine 3D printed art, its easy to envision the different kinds of sculptures and figurines posted online" https://hackaday.com/2022/09/15/a-2d-image-makes-a-3d-print/ | Source: Hackaday
[18:21]	TR Bot	2D Image Makes A 3D Print | Hackaday
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[18:25]	TR News	"Sometimes when you need a component, the best way to get it is by building it yourself." https://hackaday.com/2022/09/15/making-variable-capacitors-by-stretching-aluminium-cans/ | Source: Hackaday
[18:25]	TR Bot	Variable Capacitors By Stretching Aluminium Cans | Hackaday
[18:26]	TR News	"special military operation" https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/09/15/the-special-military-operation-turned-into-warfare-long-ago | Source: Meduza
[18:26]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[18:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	afaict Eich is a terrible person, but he's far better at leading a browser project <- is he even a terrible person, other than being in a stupid cult?
[18:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	like its not rhetorical, what else did he actually do
[18:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	i know about the giving to a charity thats against gay rights
[18:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats because hes a fucking mormon
[18:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	and the world will never forgive him for javascript, but thats just poor design choices (and it could be worse-- he could have written php)
[18:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	zeppelin: poor design choices
[18:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	afaik he didnt decide to create asm.js (maybe he did idk) thats just a side effect of his horrible horrible horrible decisions
[18:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me fills his browser with compressed hydrogen, what could go wrong
[18:30]	schestowitz[TR]	<highest_cubist_thrills> zeppelin: poor design choices
[18:31]	schestowitz[TR]	sheela zelppelin
[18:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	heh
[18:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	i blame herr doktor for the zeppelin
[18:31]	schestowitz[TR]	here she goes...
[18:31]	schestowitz[TR]	boom
[18:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	fingers crossed
[18:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	<starstreak> Jono Bacon wrote a book praising microsoft?
[18:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	jono bacon, the architect of fake community and cancel culture
[18:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	in the future some people will be part robot (like half)
[18:32]	schestowitz[TR]	openrespect
[18:32]	MinceR	i thought Mitchell was a male name
[18:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	hes half corporation (he/inc)
[18:32]	schestowitz[TR]	zeppelin: respect MICREOSOFT
[18:32]	schestowitz[TR]	only 1-2 years apart
[18:33]	schestowitz[TR]	after jono bacon did a show with many curse words
[18:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	i thought Mitchell was a male name <- it doesnt bother me that shes trans
[18:33]	schestowitz[TR]	lecturing us on respect
[18:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	everything else otoh
[18:33]	MinceR	:>
[18:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	 after jono bacon did a show with many curse words <- ok boomer
[18:33]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2]: I'm not quite sure why you suggest that Taiwan should be conquered by the Communists.
[18:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	jono bacon is offensive, but its for everything but the swearing
[18:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	then again some of it was probably abusive
[18:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	aimed at innocent people
[18:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	so theres that
[18:33]	DaemonFC	The Communists have never controlled Taiwan and the people of Taiwan want no part of being controlled by the PRC, or more correctly, their dictator Xi.
[18:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	maybe he will fucking kill google
[18:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	and throw a chair like his sith lord
[18:34]	DaemonFC	If the Communists took it over, life would become absolutely miserable there.
[18:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	there are always two, the master and the apprentice
[18:34]	DaemonFC	The Communists claim they lifted people out of poverty, although most saw what the cost of that was.
[18:34]	DaemonFC	Their environment is ruined. They murdered or starved millions.
[18:35]	highest_cubist_thrills	"whats your name baby"
[18:35]	DaemonFC	Their regime is oppressive against damned near everyone who lives under it and relies on brainwashing and fear to keep people in line.
[18:35]	highest_cubist_thrills	gorgeos blonde: "irving"
[18:35]	highest_cubist_thrills	"ahh, irving baby, nice to meet you"
[18:35]	highest_cubist_thrills	(breakfast at tiffanys, paraphrased)
[18:36]	DaemonFC	Things aren't perfect for everyone in non-Communist countries, but people here more or less tend to whine about first world problems.
[18:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	theyll never remake it, but they couldnt if they wanted to
[18:36]	DaemonFC	Like the inconvenience if the store is out of a particular brand of toilet paper that week.
[18:37]	DaemonFC	Nevermind the fact that there's an entire aisle with 47 other brands that are fine and the Communist state-owned industry doesn't produce what people want at all, because the concept of a demand economy eludes them.
[18:38]	DaemonFC	Communist countries are pretty much notable for inefficiency, rampant pollution, hunger, and being unable and unwilling to meet the basic needs of the population.
[18:39]	starstreak	I used brave because it was the best chrome based browser but do I really want to make some homophobe rich?
[18:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	<starstreak> i always wondered why people like bacon and mjg59_ hang out in here when everyone hates them <- he and roy troll each other constantly
[18:39]	DaemonFC	Even though Communism promises that there will be a baseline living standard, it can't even meet that no matter how low the bar is set.
[18:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	now, roy might have the moral high ground here
[18:39]	DaemonFC	And somehow there's always a class system that develops anyway, complete with income inequality.
[18:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	i find most of their games amusing
[18:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont sympathise with mjg, ive made that abundantly clear to him
[18:40]	DaemonFC	Matt GULAG
[18:40]	DaemonFC	King of Bullshit
[18:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont think everything roy says is necessarily accurate...
[18:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	and that taunts the shit out of mjg
[18:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	so no one should be surprised that hes here
[18:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	ask ariadne, who has wondered aloud why roy insists on baiting him
[18:41]	TR News	Fidesz https://telex.hu/english/2022/09/15/fidesz-reactions-to-the-ep-ruling-a-disregard-for-the-free-will-of-the-hungarian-people | Source: Telex (Hungary)
[18:41]	TR Bot	 Telex: Fidesz reactions to the EP ruling: a disregard for the free will of the Hungarian people
[18:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	but since mjg was on the frontlines of the coup, even before it officially started
[18:42]	starstreak	highest_cubist_thrills, mutual trolling?
[18:42]	schestowitz[TR]	DaemonFC baits, not me
[18:42]	schestowitz[TR]	I usually focus on writing posts on issues du jour
[18:42]	schestowitz[TR]	like pluton
[18:42]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2]: Now Liz Trump proposes scrapping the cap on bank executive pay.
[18:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	plutin :)
[18:43]	schestowitz[TR]	blau-punkt
[18:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	 I usually focus on writing posts on issues du jour <- if you say so
[18:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	usually is such a great word
[18:43]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2]: MOAR homeless spikes.
[18:43]	DaemonFC	We don't even have homeless spikes.
[18:43]	schestowitz[TR]	his presence here is a shadow
[18:43]	schestowitz[TR]	same for drpizza
[18:43]	schestowitz[TR]	and jonobacon
[18:43]	schestowitz[TR]	they come here as dself-appointing 'moral police'
[18:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	but since mjg was on the frontlines of the coup, even before it officially started https://wwahammy.com/on-safety-at-libreplanet/
[18:43]	TR Bot	 Is LibrePlanet Safe?
[18:44]	schestowitz[TR]	it's not a coincidence
[18:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	they come here as dself-appointing 'moral police' <- thats sort of true
[18:44]	DaemonFC	I would say why I think mjg59_'s hair is falling out.
[18:44]	schestowitz[TR]	then they report back to shitter
[18:44]	DaemonFC	But it calls for speculation.
[18:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	also true, ive seen them do it
[18:44]	schestowitz[TR]	posting lies from their toilet throne
[18:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	and you do everything on your part to deescalate that :) 
[18:44]	schestowitz[TR]	to make it 'feel' like techrights is pro-rape
[18:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	lol
[18:45]	schestowitz[TR]	or anti-trand or something
[18:45]	schestowitz[TR]	even though in the past decades we alkways hve several trans people ehee, maybe 3-5
[18:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	<starstreak> highest_cubist_thrills, mutual trolling? <- maybe not tit-for-tat
[18:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	but lots of tits, and lots of tats
[18:45]	schestowitz[TR]	ii.e. 5-10%
[18:45]	schestowitz[TR]	unlike the general population with less under 1%
[18:45]	starstreak	i love tits
[18:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	even though in the past decades we alkways hve several trans people ehee, maybe 3-5 <- i mean everybody has trans people
[18:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	even the nazis
[18:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	though i cant think of a single trans nazi atm
[18:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	i am quite sure they have a couple
[18:46]	DaemonFC	mjg59_ blames Kiwi Farms for trans suicides. Trans suicides are much higher anyway.
[18:46]	schestowitz[TR]	highest_cubist_thrills: it was the first group they ncame from , iirc, after disabled people
[18:46]	schestowitz[TR]	many disabled people were trans too
[18:46]	DaemonFC	Doubt Kiwi Farms made anyone dump gasoline and light themselves on fire.
[18:46]	starstreak	i would blame kiwi farms for trans suicides
[18:46]	DaemonFC	But I digress.
[18:46]	schestowitz[TR]	aktion-x
[18:46]	DaemonFC	That's something that only a fucking crazy person would do.
[18:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	<starstreak> i would blame kiwi farms for trans suicides <- the evidence supports this imo
[18:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	it would be useful to have a number of trans suicides that were baited by kf
[18:47]	starstreak	highest_cubist_thrills, exactly
[18:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	i would expect it to be more than 1
[18:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	complicating this is i dont know if every non-binary also identifies as trans, but some do
[18:47]	schestowitz[TR]	twitter and FB helped trump insurrection
[18:47]	schestowitz[TR]	far more than parlker did
[18:48]	schestowitz[TR]	but the media distoprted that narrative
[18:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	calling social media a dumpster fire is a little unfair to dumpster fires
[18:48]	schestowitz[TR]	and threw one of the lesser culprits under the bus
[18:48]	DaemonFC	The government wanted it to happen to justify more power grabs.
[18:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	ive seen a dumpster fire, or i saw what it did to the side of an apartment building
[18:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	social media is worse
[18:49]	TR News	telecoms are vicious and arrogant https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/15/surprise-telecom-giants-are-exploiting-state-corruption-to-undeservingly-funnel-a-disproportionate-chunk-of-the-massive-broadband-infrastructure-stimulus-to-themselves/ | Source: Techdirt
[18:49]	TR Bot	Telecom Giants Are Exploiting State Corruption To Undeservingly Funnel A Disproportionate Chunk Of The Massive Broadband Infrastructure Stimulus To Themselves | Techdirt
[18:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	its more like what happens to forests in california in the dry season
[18:52]	TR News	"Were this claim valid, one would see moral decay paired with increased crime rates." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/16/attack-on-religious-liberty/ | Source: Counter Punch
[18:52]	TR Bot	on Religious Liberty? - CounterPunch.org
[18:52]	DaemonFC	By trying to crimethink everything, people like mjg59_ just make people dig in.
[18:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	<schestowitz[TR]> twitter and FB helped trump insurrection <- lots of unleaerned lessons here
[18:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	people organise online, for good or bad
[18:52]	schestowitz[TR]	<highest_cubist_thrills> its more like what happens to forests in california in the dry season   << I though defunct electric lines played a role, too
[18:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats likely to remain a reality
[18:52]	DaemonFC	They've done more to set back the progress on the things they say they care about than anyone.
[18:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	people can organise afainst things like jan 6
[18:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	but they wont stop social media from making it possible
[18:53]	schestowitz[TR]	<highest_cubist_thrills> thats likely to remain a reality
[18:53]	schestowitz[TR]	not the point
[18:53]	schestowitz[TR]	they do moderation
[18:53]	DaemonFC	Disney is being lampooned for remaking everything and putting a black woman in the lead.
[18:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	and the state clearly wont either
[18:53]	DaemonFC	It is all a bit much.
[18:53]	schestowitz[TR]	whetheer it's good or bad, leave it aside for the mo
[18:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	<schestowitz[TR]> they do moderation <- yeah everything in moderation
[18:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	including moderation
[18:53]	schestowitz[TR]	I reported to twitter people who call for viollence
[18:53]	schestowitz[TR]	twiutter did nothing
[18:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	the thing is
[18:53]	DaemonFC	I don't think anyone minds it occasionally, but like, Star Trek....
[18:53]	schestowitz[TR]	inc. people who called for the jan 6th coupo
[18:53]	schestowitz[TR]	I reported
[18:53]	schestowitz[TR]	nothing happened
[18:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	during wwii, when alan turing cracked enigma
[18:53]	DaemonFC	All of a sudden EVERYONE in the Federation high command is black?
[18:54]	DaemonFC	This isn't even remotely believable.
[18:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	they started listening to all the german plans
[18:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	and deciding when and what to do
[18:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	allowing some things to happen unhindered
[18:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	to preserve the ability to go after bigger problems and larger targets
[18:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats clearly what will happen with twitter
[18:54]	DaemonFC	Then to make it funny, they cast Stacy Abrams (the black woman who ran for Governor of Georgia a bunch of times and failed and will again this year) as the President of the Federation.
[18:54]	schestowitz[TR]	yes, I red that story
[18:54]	schestowitz[TR]	it as not turing
[18:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	and why something like jan 6 continued to be planned online
[18:54]	schestowitz[TR]	byt the britisdh gov.
[18:54]	schestowitz[TR]	they also helped stalin cracked enigma iirc
[18:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	well thats a silly quibble
[18:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	he was working for them, he was under their authority
[18:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	so they decided, and he complied
[18:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont blame him for htis
[18:55]	schestowitz[TR]	enigama was shit... the sixel doktors thought using linux 2.4 kernel on engiga would fool techs
[18:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	tbh it was a good strategy
[18:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont love it
[18:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	no one does
[18:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	but whats the alternative
[18:55]	schestowitz[TR]	nsa does the same
[18:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	its beside the point though, that this is why twitter WONT be moderated 
[18:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	nsa does the same <- of course
[18:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	the intelligence community hasnt changed THAT much
[18:55]	schestowitz[TR]	I'm not sure the source of that story is accurate
[18:56]	schestowitz[TR]	could be selective and biased
[18:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	again, the point is theyll continue to allow nazis to use twitter to organise
[18:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	and when they stop it...
[18:56]	schestowitz[TR]	iirc, the movie they made about it suggested russians had been informed
[18:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	it will be because the nazis have moved on 
[18:56]	schestowitz[TR]	but I'm not sure it's true or how accurtae it is
[18:56]	schestowitz[TR]	nice plot twist though
[18:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	they always put an end to things that have already ended
[18:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	it makes it look like they give a shit 
[18:56]	schestowitz[TR]	"based on a   true story.."
[18:57]	schestowitz[TR]	"... optimised forf box office "ENGAGEMENT"".
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[18:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	no, hollywood is the final word on historical events and especially details
[18:57]	schestowitz[TR]	sponsored by...
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[18:58]	MinceR	https://apina.biz/191063.png?mode=sfw
[18:58]	schestowitz[TR]	.produced by...
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[18:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	too bad it isnt bollywood though. imagine shah rukh khan and deepika padukone dancing to the story of alan turing
[18:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	with a great bhangra beat
[18:58]	schestowitz[TR]	the spicy who loved me
[18:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	hai hai
[18:59]	TR News	"build a culture of peace and active nonviolence, free from war, poverty, racism" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/16/we-have-a-violence-problem-campaign-nonviolence-strives-to-solve-it/ | Source: Counter Punch
[18:59]	TR Bot	Have a Violence Problem - Campaign Nonviolence Strives to Solve It - CounterPunch.org
[18:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	srk would make a good turing actually
[18:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 13.96 k/sec., IPFS upstream 134.51 average k/sec., average swarm size 144.45
[18:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	hes already played an autistic guy
[18:59]	schestowitz[TR]	is that hard?
[18:59]	schestowitz[TR]	serious question
[18:59]	schestowitz[TR]	not baiting
[18:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	only if you do it tastefully
[18:59]	schestowitz[TR]	playing a celver nash (sham) is harder
[18:59]	schestowitz[TR]	like good will hunting or some such
[18:59]	schestowitz[TR]	not the same movie
[18:59]	schestowitz[TR]	not same actor
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[19:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	how hard can it be if matt damon pulled it off
[19:00]	schestowitz[TR]	it's like having to do a tom lehrer without special training
[19:00]	schestowitz[TR]	highest_cubist_thrills: hey, will smith can win award
[19:00]	schestowitz[TR]	acting is not a hard occupation
[19:01]	schestowitz[TR]	try vault jump
[19:01]	schestowitz[TR]	trump had a go acting like a disabled person
[19:01]	schestowitz[TR]	to "own the lib"
[19:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	honestly, he reminds me of justin theroux in the baxter
[19:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	try vault jump <- did damon do his own stunts?
[19:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	<schestowitz[TR]> highest_cubist_thrills: hey, will smith can win award <- ill give chris rock best supporting role in a public comedy
[19:02]	TR News	Monarchy https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/16/remember-the-victims-of-britains-monarchy-and-empire/ | Source: Counter Punch
[19:02]	TR Bot	the Victims of Britains Monarchy and Empire - CounterPunch.org
[19:02]	schestowitz[TR]	chris rock was never very funny
[19:02]	schestowitz[TR]	he just did that voice
[19:02]	schestowitz[TR]	like tucker
[19:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont entirely agree
[19:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	you dont like fluffy either, what are we supposed to do with you
[19:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	but i like dave chappelle better than chris rock
[19:02]	schestowitz[TR]	i like certain kind of jokes
[19:02]	schestowitz[TR]	brains respond differently to irony
[19:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	im not sure you have a sense of humour, but you might
[19:03]	schestowitz[TR]	the young carlin was counerculture don't give a fuck, but he was clever 
[19:03]	schestowitz[TR]	he came from s smart family
[19:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	youve got sarcasm down
[19:03]	schestowitz[TR]	his dad asnd granddad they were good at speeches and workplay
[19:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	that has to count for something
[19:04]	schestowitz[TR]	*wordplay
[19:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	the young carlin was counerculture don't give a fuck, but he was clever <- yeah carlin was great
[19:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	one of my favourites
[19:04]	MinceR	i prefer the old carlin
[19:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	the old carlin was the only carlin
[19:05]	MinceR	:>
[19:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	what happened later wasnt carlin
[19:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	though i dont know how old you mean
[19:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	i mean, rufus doesnt draw my ire
[19:05]	TR News	TCJKOPA Wordo: CIVIL gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-09-16.gmi
[19:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	even the cardinal was ok by me
[19:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	but i think big movies have a detrimental effect on stand up
[19:06]	TR News	"The author seems to be too much into it to be thinking/expressing ideas clearly. There's too much fluff and rainbows and "if only UBI was here". I'm not into the subject and I barely know left from right, so ignore the sarcasm and bits of pedantry if you will, and enlighten me if you'll please!" gemini://siiky.srht.site/kB45oC/toothpaste-argument.gmi
[19:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	i cant think of a single counterexample, maybe one exists
[19:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	jerry seinfeld take note
[19:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	acting wont help your stand up career (in terms of quality)
[19:07]	MinceR	i thought acting ability helped stand-up
[19:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	i mean the act of acting, not the ability
[19:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	like having a show or a big film
[19:08]	schestowitz[TR]	<MinceR> i prefer the old carlin
[19:08]	schestowitz[TR]	because you like bitter
[19:08]	schestowitz[TR]	so do I
[19:08]	schestowitz[TR]	but old carlin was slowe
[19:08]	schestowitz[TR]	his early skits were like singing
[19:08]	MinceR	i like experienced and refined
[19:08]	starstreak	i like all of carlin, he was awesome
[19:09]	MinceR	same
[19:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	 his early skits were like singing <- i think he was making fun of the west coast there
[19:10]	starstreak	highest_cubist_thrills, im generating "70s bikini babes using computers" and I hope they turn out good
[19:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	good, i was worried youd given up
[19:10]	schestowitz[TR]	oold carlin just spoke about issues more relevant to us
[19:10]	schestowitz[TR]	nmnot gulk war
[19:10]	schestowitz[TR]	or issues of the hippie era
[19:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	70s bikini babes <- even better
[19:10]	starstreak	early James Bond had a lot of sexy 70s bikini babes
[19:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	i think those were 60s babes
[19:11]	schestowitz[TR]	he used to speak very fast and keep sharp
[19:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	but either one works for me
[19:11]	schestowitz[TR]	he obviously had it memorised
[19:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	hell, even 50s bikini babes are alright
[19:11]	starstreak	all bikini babes
[19:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont know if they existed in the 40s.
[19:11]	schestowitz[TR]	and prictised a lot how to read it, inc. pauses and fast-talking
[19:11]	schestowitz[TR]	like rapping
[19:11]	starstreak	but i like how women used to look in the 70s
[19:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	i mean, the name bikini comes from the island used for nuclear testing
[19:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	<starstreak> but i like how women used to look in the 70s <- you have good taste in women
[19:11]	schestowitz[TR]	women did not change
[19:11]	schestowitz[TR]	the fashion did
[19:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	i wont make the obvious joke, but i want to
[19:11]	starstreak	makeup changed
[19:11]	schestowitz[TR]	although body types change with diet
[19:12]	starstreak	women used to wear subtle makeup and now they're drag queens
[19:12]	schestowitz[TR]	and exercise, but diet and gym-going did not changine much
[19:12]	schestowitz[TR]	*change
[19:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	 <starstreak> women used to wear subtle makeup and now they're drag queen <- im ok with drag queens
[19:12]	starstreak	highest_cubist_thrills, im just saying, 70s babes looked "real"
[19:12]	starstreak	like how women actually look
[19:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	my bi sort-of-gf took me to this lgbtq party many years ago
[19:13]	schestowitz[TR]	now women butcher themselves
[19:13]	schestowitz[TR]	lips, breasts, even artificially arses
[19:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	i made out with two lesbians-- one who looked like beyonce and the other was an emt worker
[19:13]	schestowitz[TR]	it's sgross, not healthy, and shatters women's confeidence
[19:13]	schestowitz[TR]	or self-esteem
[19:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	the emt worker i wanted to marry :)
[19:13]	starstreak	<highest_cubist_thrills> <starstreak> but i like how women used to look in the 70s <- you have good taste in women <- thanks
[19:13]	starstreak	<highest_cubist_thrills> i made out with two lesbians-- one who looked like beyonce and the other was an emt worker <- my dream
[19:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	you can do it!
[19:13]	starstreak	its so hard to find trans friendly women online tho
[19:14]	techuser	you mean most trans women are hostile, or that there aren't many trans women?
[19:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	youre only 37, if you havent reached your dream by 43 and you can travel internationally i will make it happen
[19:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	but honestly, you can do it
[19:15]	starstreak	techuser, no its hard to find lesbians online who are okay with trans women
[19:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	but getting back to drag queens
[19:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	my one regret about that party was 
[19:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	there was this latino/latina (i dont know drag queen or trans-- either way, more gorgeous than 95% of any group of people)
[19:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	and i think we could have made out but i didnt try
[19:16]	techuser	IRC is better than sex anyway
[19:16]	starstreak	oh wow, you miss the shots you don't take
[19:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	yeah
[19:16]	schestowitz[TR]	techuser: if it is on topic
[19:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	she was even prettier than john leguizamo in drag
[19:16]	schestowitz[TR]	we created the -social channel because someone called balzac started showing up about girls or sex
[19:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	and honestly john leguizamo was amazing
[19:16]	starstreak	highest_cubist_thrills, what was that movie?
[19:16]	schestowitz[TR]	or some girls he saw at a stipp joint
[19:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	to wong foo?
[19:16]	mixling	is this some gay darkroom here?
[19:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	but that wasnt the only time he did drag
[19:17]	schestowitz[TR]	and -social borrowed from fedora-social at the time
[19:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	he used to have a standup bit 
[19:17]	starstreak	highest_cubist_thrills, yeah, wong foo
[19:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	i used to think latinos made the best queens
[19:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	and they sort of do
[19:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	but ive seen pretty much everybody send their best now
[19:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	so i dont want to take away credit where credit is do
[19:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	due
[19:18]	starstreak	highest_cubist_thrills, have you ever seen Barbarella?
[19:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	of course! thats a classic
[19:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats where duran duran got their name
[19:18]	TR News	"In 2016, Code Club Australia launched the Moonhack online coding event and broke the world record for the most children coding in one day" https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/moonhack-2022/ | Source: Raspberry Pi
[19:18]	TR Bot	 Take part in Moonhack 2022: Community, culture, coding - Raspberry Pi
[19:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	also forbidden planet
[19:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	and ive done rocky horror, even though its PROBLEMATIC!!!!!
[19:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	with the same bi sort-of-gf (i borrowed her clothes, which did not fit me)
[19:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	i say sort of because we were never official, and that bothered me at the time
[19:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	but looking back, i was being pedantic. we were totally a couple and i was too thick to notice
[19:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	if i had known that we would have lasted longer
[19:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-16.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[19:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	not that we were compatible, but there was love there
[19:20]	starstreak	highest_cubist_thrills, forbidden planet?
[19:20]	TR News	Don't say "Election Deniers"; this recklessly compares opponent of proprietary back-doored voting 'machines' with nazis; accusation inflation https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/election-deniers/ | Source: The Nation
[19:20]	TR Bot	 Election Deniers Are Gearing Up to Take Office | The Nation
[19:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	you mentioned barbarella, i assume you mean the classic sci fi film
[19:21]	TR News	HRC and others were also "Election Deniers" in 2016
[19:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	forbidden planet is another classic sci fi, mentioned in the theme song for rhps
[19:21]	TR News	Poet Who Loved Sneakers https://www.thenation.com/article/culture/elegy-for-a-poet-who-loved-sneakers/ | Source: The Nation
[19:21]	TR Bot	 Elegy for a Poet Who Loved Sneakers | The Nation
[19:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	do you know betty boo? shes literally the archetype for the spice girls
[19:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=_4iWgsGgBiY
[19:22]	TR Bot	 Where Are You Baby? - Invidious
[19:22]	starstreak	highest_cubist_thrills, yeah but i haven't seen forbidden planet, is that a jane fonda movie?
[19:22]	TR News	Pentagon Budget... save Microsoft at taxpayers' expense? https://www.thenation.com/article/world/pentagon-budget-inflated-war/ | Source: The Nation http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/
[19:22]	TR Bot	 An Inflated Pentagon Budget Is Not in the Countrys Best Interest | The Nation
[19:22]	TR Bot	 The United States Government Should Quit Bailing Out Microsoft at Taxpayers Expense | Techrights
[19:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	no, thats a drawback. its not a jane fonda movie
[19:22]	starstreak	highest_cubist_thrills, jane fonda was so hot in her prime
[19:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	yeah but without the wig im less impressed
[19:23]	starstreak	oh i didnt know it was a wig
[19:23]	TR News	"The plane, as described in this video, is the teams backup (they have two planes). But even though the Patriots seem to own the plane, they do not run it." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/16/where-sports-and-deportation-meet-ice-is-removing-people-on-the-same-planes-used-to-transport-teams/ | Source: Counter Punch
[19:23]	TR Bot	Sports and Deportation Meet: ICE Is Removing People on the Same Planes Used to Transport Teams - CounterPunch.org
[19:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	if it wasnt, im astounded
[19:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	i mean that was epic hair
[19:24]	TR News	"In fact, at the level of our everyday social lives, morality has no authority." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/16/making-your-hippie-life-matter/ | Source: Counter Punch
[19:24]	TR Bot	Your Hippie Life Matter - CounterPunch.org
[19:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	im looking forward to the bikini programmers
[19:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	i voted for computer science barbie
[19:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	i thought it was a great idea
[19:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	some people thought it was cynical, i was not one of them
[19:25]	TR News	"Im referring to COVID, of course, an infectious diseaseknown to be airborne since January 7, 2020, and to the low number of people who wear masks in public although COVIDs spread can be greatly curtailed" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/16/maskless-dystopia/ | Source: Counter Punch
[19:25]	TR Bot	Dystopia - CounterPunch.org
[19:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	maybe barbie shouldnt be a role model, but she is regardless
[19:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	they made the breaking bad barbie by combining a science kit and camper :)
[19:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	that was funny
[19:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	that was pure parody
[19:26]	starstreak	lol
[19:27]	starstreak	highest_cubist_thrills, this was one i did yesterday, not 70s but still classic: https://i.imgur.com/pdd7xc1.png
[19:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	looks like a trade show
[19:28]	starstreak	it likes to generate bikini babes without computers
[19:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	mel bs talent has its own merit
[19:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	bu she literally owes her stardom to betty boo
[19:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	and betty boos top single is clearly inspired by barbarella
[19:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	so there you go, jane fonda -> betty boo -> mel b
[19:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	that actually happened
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[19:38]	mixling	weird
[19:47]	DaemonFC	'https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view%3Fhttps%253A//wgntv.com/news/nexstar-media-wire/food-prices-are-all-high-but-these-5-grocery-items-are-the-hardest-hit-data-shows
[19:48]	TR Bot	 Gemini Portal
[19:48]	DaemonFC	Margarine is up more than butter.
[19:53]	DaemonFC	https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/09/15/grand-jury-indicts-lake-forest-man-on-almost-dozen-charges-for-allegedly-uploading-child-pornography-to-server/
[19:53]	TR Bot	 Grand jury indicts Lake Forest man on almost dozen charges for allegedly uploading child pornography to server
[19:53]	DaemonFC	Updated. He "uploaded it to an Internet Server".
[19:54]	DaemonFC	By "Internet Server" I assume they mean one of the GAFAM clowns.
● Sep 16
[20:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-16.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[20:23]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2]: I read an article about tech workers spending $100,000 to have their femurs broken.
[20:23]	DaemonFC	Sound like a lot to go through jut to be 3 inches taller when they're done.
[20:37]	DaemonFC	Putin threatened continued strikes on Ukrainian infrastructure, and said: We will see how (Ukraines counteroffensive) ends.
[20:38]	DaemonFC	XRevan86: Apparently, Russia misfired one of its own hypersonic missiles and killed six Russian citizens with it.
[20:38]	starstreak	lol
[20:39]	DaemonFC	https://eurasiantimes.com/russian-hypersonic-missile-kinzhal-fired-from-mig-31-fighter/
[20:39]	TR Bot	 Russian Hypersonic Missile 'Kinzhal' Fired From MiG-31 Fighter Reportedly Fell On Its Own Territory
[20:40]	DaemonFC	The booster failed after the fighter jet fired the missile and it crash landed into a Russian town with a live warhead armed.
[20:41]	starstreak	"crash landed"
[20:42]	XRevan86	DaemonFC: Yes, saw that, Russian reporting said it was a Ukrainian drone that crashed.
[20:42]	XRevan86	Independent media quickly debunked that because the images of the debris clearly looked like a missile.
[20:43]	XRevan86	DaemonFC: Oh, and it was mentioned in the yesterday's CIT dispatch.
[20:43]	XRevan86	And here's today's:
[20:43]	XRevan86	> CIT (War in Ukraine): https://telegra.ph/Sitrep-for-September-15-09-16 ( https://nitter.it/CITeam_en/status/1570824349028061185 )
[20:43]	TR Bot	 Sitrep for September 15 Telegraph
[20:43]	TR Bot	(en) (@CITeam_en): "September 15 sitrep: Ukraine strikes occupation authorities; Mass graves found in liberated Izyum, reportedly twice as many killed civilians as in Bucha; Russian convict recruitment increased as those already at the front are used as cannon fodder; https://te.legra.ph/Sitrep-for-September-15-09-16"|nitter.it
[20:44]	XRevan86	https://theins.press/en/news/255115
[20:44]	TR Bot	 LNR General Prosecutor Sergey Gorenko killed in explosion in his office, Russian state news agency reports
[20:44]	XRevan86	https://theins.press/en/news/255129
[20:44]	TR Bot	 Russian journalist Maria Ponomarenko slashed her wrists in detention while awaiting fakes trial
[20:44]	XRevan86	https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/09/16/meduza-russias-ex-finance-minister-alexei-kudrin-to-join-yandex-board-on-putins-approval-news "Meduza: Russias ex-finance minister Alexei Kudrin to join Yandex board on Putins approval"
[20:44]	TR Bot	 . 
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[20:44]	XRevan86	"Sources", but if true, another blow in Yandex.
[20:47]	XRevan86	https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/09/16/kazakhstan-s-parliament-renames-nur-sultan-to-astana-and-increases-presidential-term-to-seven-years "Parliament of Kazakhstan renames Nur-Sultan [back] to Astana and increases presidential term to seven years"
[20:47]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[20:47]	XRevan86	https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/09/16/kyrgyzstan-and-tajikistan-struggle-to-reach-ceasefire-amid-fresh-fighting-on-border "Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan struggle to reach ceasefire amid fresh border clashes"
[20:47]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
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[20:49]	XRevan86	https://nitter.it/JuliaDavisNews/status/1570620697143287810
[20:49]	TR Bot	Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "Even after her passing, Russian state media continues to malign Queen Elizabeth. State TV host Olga Skabeeva falsely claimed that the offensive footage depicts the queen, when in fact it was filmed sometime between 1899 and 1900, decades before Queen Elizabeth was born."|nitter.it
[20:50]	XRevan86	https://nitter.it/JuliaDavisNews/status/1570835842255704064
[20:50]	TR Bot	Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "All over Russian state TV, propagandists have been painstakingly painting the picture that Russian troops retreated after battling NATOnot Ukraine. One pundit made fun of the transparent plot to make Russia's defeats seem less humiliating, angering the Kremlin's mouthpieces."|nitter.it
[20:55]	XRevan86	> After Russian troops left the Kharkiv region, evidence of war crimes is emerging. Oleksiy Kopytko, the adviser to the head of the Ukrainian Defense Ministry, reported large-scale destruction in Izyum and spontaneous mass graves. Already twice more murdered civilians were found than in Bucha (Kyiv region).
[20:55]	XRevan86	> We see no evidence proving that Russian higher command encourages war  crimes, but commanders of at least lower ranks do not prevent this. It  has already become evident that more crimes are committed on the  territories where Russian troops meet with greater resistance and are  undersupplied. A long deployment on the front line or in an occupied  settlement in constant fear for one's life and witho
[20:55]	XRevan86	ut a normal supply  results in exasperation, paranoid thoughts, and looting.
[20:57]	XRevan86	> we are seeing more and more evidence of prisoners fighting on the frontline. They are often used as cannon fodder in the typical tactics of the Wagner group.
[20:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	unreal
[20:58]	XRevan86	> such mercenaries are used as bait for Ukrainian artillery and firing points
[20:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 16.75 k/sec., IPFS upstream 156.38 average k/sec., average swarm size 176.03
● Sep 16
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[21:01]	DaemonFC	XRevan86: So apparently 5 himars missiles landed on the central administration building in the "Donetsk People's Republic".
[21:02]	DaemonFC	Lots of Russians dead. Had to call off the "referendum" for now.
[21:02]	starstreak	highest_cubist_thrills, whats unreal is that thousands of years from now, aliens will be watching our tv programs
[21:03]	starstreak	we are a very noisey planet
[21:03]	DaemonFC	"And Putin faced opposition to the war from India and China at a summit aimed at challenging Western influence"
[21:03]	DaemonFC	LOL
[21:05]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2]: https://www.engadget.com/microsoft-teams-has-been-storing-auth-tokens-in-plaintext-093510463.html
[21:05]	TR Bot	Teams has been storing authentication tokens in plaintext | Engadget
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[21:05]	DaemonFC	mjg59_ approves.
[21:05]	DaemonFC	Much Secure Very Wow!
[21:05]	XRevan86	> So apparently 5 himars missiles landed on the central administration building in the "Donetsk People's Republic".
[21:05]	XRevan86	DaemonFC: Uh when?
[21:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	<starstreak> we are a very noisey planet <- my neighbours alone are terrible 
[21:06]	XRevan86	DaemonFC: "Had to call off the "referendum" for now" <- The Ukrainian offensive was the last nail in the coffin.
[21:06]	XRevan86	It doesn't need any more nails :)
[21:07]	DaemonFC	Ukraine has been blowing up the offices where the Russian-installed "government" officials are meeting at.
[21:07]	XRevan86	It's not confirmed who's responsible, but that's not the worst assumption.
[21:08]	XRevan86	DaemonFC: Luhansk ("LPR"), Berdiansk (Zaporizhzhia), Kherson.
[21:09]	starstreak	highest_cubist_thrills, i keep getting shit like this: https://i.imgur.com/dxDn4kp.png
[21:10]		*psydruid suggests a new plan to deal with the noisy neighbour problem
[21:10]	starstreak	in what universe is a tablet a laptop
[21:10]	XRevan86	DaemonFC: From the description "central administration building" I assume ye mean Kherson, i.e. https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/09/16/ukraine-strikes-regional-administration-building-in-russia-occupied-kherson-news
[21:10]	TR Bot	 . 
[21:10]	starstreak	but no, this is a tablet with a melted keyboard on it
[21:11]	DaemonFC	Hmm, I could have misremembered that. I read it this morning.
[21:11]	XRevan86	DaemonFC: "The death toll in the Kherson regional administration strike has risen to three"
[21:11]	DaemonFC	To be fair, the Russians are getting their asses kicked all over the place lately.
[21:11]	DaemonFC	If Putin could do something he would have already.
[21:11]	starstreak	highest_cubist_thrills, https://pornpen.ai/
[21:11]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pornpen.ai
[21:12]	starstreak	a web based A.I for making softcore porn photos
[21:12]	XRevan86	DaemonFC: Not arguing with the general canvas.
[21:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	i love you
[21:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me is sure its github based though
[21:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	this is way better than a regular tablet
[21:17]	starstreak	lol
[21:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	i think shes l33t
[21:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	if her tablet has a real keyboard she must have skillz
[21:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	id say dont underestimate her
[21:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	maybe she even has top clearance
[21:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	or she does and they dont know it
[21:17]	starstreak	anyone can go buy a bluetooth keyboard for a tablet, i would
[21:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	yeah but this is melted into the screen
[21:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	i mean, she definitely knows something
[21:18]	starstreak	true
[21:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	<psydruid> ACTION suggests a new plan to deal with the noisy neighbour problem <- its not really a problem
[21:19]	starstreak	highest_cubist_thrills, then it mashes their faces up: https://i.imgur.com/j1ci0Fm.png
[21:19]	starstreak	my friend has an A.I tool that fixes faces
[21:19]	MinceR	the bikini's pretty weird too
[21:19]	MinceR	and around it
[21:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-15.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-16.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[21:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	the nose i could live with 
[21:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	but the inside out lips are too much
[21:20]	starstreak	its like more worse things start to pop out the more you look at it
[21:20]	XRevan86	highest_cubist_thrills: When moving my eyes at the monitor, I keep reading your nickname as smth_hubris_smth
[21:20]	MinceR	:>
[21:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	smth_hubris_smth <- thats fair
[21:21]	starstreak	on facebook there is a group called "who keeps giving these mother fuckers art supplies" and i think "who keeps giving these mother fuckers A.I" sounds like a good group name
[21:22]	starstreak	what I like about Stable Diffusion is that it seems to nail it on celebrities, even some local politicians 
[21:22]		*highest_cubist_thrills is now known as thighest_hubris_crills
[21:22]	thighest_hubris_crills	hows this
[21:22]	thighest_hubris_crills	brb
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[21:23]	starstreak	i wonder if Roy is famous enough for A.I generation :O
[21:23]	starstreak	"Roy Schestowitz eating a big mac"
[21:24]	starstreak	it would be him with his shirt off, with those big muscles of his and we would be holding a big mac and smiling
[21:24]	starstreak	he*
[21:24]	XRevan86	"Roy Schestowitz eating a Tasty Period Big Special"
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[21:25]	thighest_hubris_crills	XRevan86 here you go
[21:26]	starstreak	if anyone wants to see how jacked roy is, visit: http://scifitness.co.uk/author/scifit/
[21:26]	TR Bot	 Author Archives Dr. Roy Schestowitz SCI Fitness
[21:26]	thighest_hubris_crills	dont ask what a crill is, idk
[21:26]	thighest_hubris_crills	roy has pics on his website 
[21:26]	starstreak	with his shirt off?
[21:26]	thighest_hubris_crills	/me prefers girly boys
[21:26]	thighest_hubris_crills	yes, with his shirt off
[21:27]	starstreak	oh fair enough
[21:27]	starstreak	i like muscles
[21:27]	starstreak	i also like girly
[21:27]	thighest_hubris_crills	liking muscles isnt a crime
[21:27]	starstreak	body hair tho? no way
[21:27]	starstreak	ewww
[21:28]	thighest_hubris_crills	im pretty sure by 2050, if we are still here, men will all be completely bald from the neck down
[21:28]	starstreak	I think Roy could handle himself in WWE
[21:29]	thighest_hubris_crills	and laser hair removal will be on the most basic of health plans
[21:29]	starstreak	thighest_hubris_crills, if women should be expected to shave their vaginas and legs...
[21:29]	starstreak	laser hair removal is awesome
[21:29]	starstreak	i got that done on my face
[21:29]	thighest_hubris_crills	honestly, thats only because of porn 
[21:30]	starstreak	nobody likes bush lol
[21:30]	thighest_hubris_crills	trimming is sufficient
[21:30]	thighest_hubris_crills	welcome to bushrights
[21:30]	starstreak	lol
[21:31]	starstreak	this all started off with how jacked Roy is
[21:31]	thighest_hubris_crills	now youre wondering what he shaves
[21:32]	starstreak	lol he doesn't, he just stares menacingly at the hair until it falls out
[21:32]	thighest_hubris_crills	i have a different theory but ill spare you
[21:32]	starstreak	nair?
[21:33]	thighest_hubris_crills	no, i woudlnt even wish that on roy
[21:33]	thighest_hubris_crills	that shit burns
[21:33]	starstreak	i had to nair my genitals the morning before my surgery
[21:33]	starstreak	wasn't fun
[21:34]	thighest_hubris_crills	say what you will about techrights
[21:34]	thighest_hubris_crills	i certainly do
[21:34]	thighest_hubris_crills	this is the best irc channel on the internet
[21:34]	starstreak	yes
[21:34]	starstreak	lol
[21:34]	thighest_hubris_crills	 :)
[21:34]	starstreak	the real diversity
[21:34]	thighest_hubris_crills	divers like it
[21:35]	starstreak	divers?
[21:35]	thighest_hubris_crills	yeah they like tight clothes and wore masks before they went all mainstream
[21:36]	starstreak	thighest_hubris_crills, https://i.imgur.com/rR8bKSZ.png
[21:36]	starstreak	she has two laptops and maybe only one arm
[21:37]	starstreak	the table is made out of melted keyboards
[21:37]	thighest_hubris_crills	what else does she need
[21:37]	thighest_hubris_crills	lol this one
[21:38]	thighest_hubris_crills	when she closes that laptop on (her) right
[21:38]	MinceR	a proper laptop
[21:38]	thighest_hubris_crills	the screen is going to hang over the keyboard like an overbite
[21:38]	MinceR	yeah, and the other one's missing a keyboard
[21:38]	thighest_hubris_crills	show this picture to a geek and this is what they notice
[21:38]	starstreak	this chick  has her laptop out in the sand: https://i.imgur.com/p4zkHAL.png
[21:38]	thighest_hubris_crills	i mean its definitely not all we notice
[21:38]	starstreak	she was beaten with an ugly stick
[21:39]	MinceR	she was dug into the sand
[21:39]	starstreak	A.I is great
[21:40]	MinceR	HEY HI
[21:40]	starstreak	it certainly was funny turning bill gates into a reptoid
[21:40]	thighest_hubris_crills	<starstreak> she was beaten with an ugly stick <- or possibly her other leg
[21:40]	thighest_hubris_crills	as its not shown
[21:41]	thighest_hubris_crills	or maybe sold separately
[21:41]	starstreak	lol
[21:42]	starstreak	i wonder what i'll make next
[21:43]	MinceR	(cat) https://imgur.com/t/cats/v3gbdzC
[21:43]	TR Bot	met the unicorn! - Album on Imgur
[21:43]	XRevan86	"lol he doesn't, he just stares menacingly at the hair until it falls out" <- And that's the story of Dr. Roy Norris.
[21:44]	MinceR	i don't think Roy is a fundie
[21:44]	MinceR	(unlike chuck)
[21:44]	thighest_hubris_crills	which is pretty on the nose
[21:44]	thighest_hubris_crills	one time the internet was sucking and roy just looked at it and it got better
[21:46]	starstreak	Roy could dribble a bowling ball
[21:47]	thighest_hubris_crills	lol
[21:48]	starstreak	Roy does not use spell check. If he happens to misspell a word, Oxford will change the spelling.
[21:48]	thighest_hubris_crills	getting warmer
[21:48]	starstreak	lol
[21:49]	starstreak	Some kids pee their name in the snow. Roy can pee his name into concrete.
[21:49]	thighest_hubris_crills	but he hates when people do that
[21:50]	thighest_hubris_crills	jus because you can doesnt mean you should
[21:50]	starstreak	None of Roy's critics would ever challenge him to a fist fight
[21:50]	starstreak	Roy would win
[21:50]	thighest_hubris_crills	idk
[21:51]	thighest_hubris_crills	hes strong but i bet hes getting slow
[21:51]	thighest_hubris_crills	im not saying i could, definitely not saying i should
[21:51]	thighest_hubris_crills	but id consider it
[21:51]	starstreak	i bet he could just go to lennart poetterings house and lift weights on the front lawn, lennart would give in after a day or so
[21:52]	thighest_hubris_crills	besides we both have enough honour not to literally kill each other
[21:52]	thighest_hubris_crills	last time i got in a fist fight we both got knocked well enough and got along fine after that
[21:52]	starstreak	thighest_hubris_crills, you would get into a fist fight with Roy?
[21:53]	thighest_hubris_crills	not if im smart, no
[21:53]	thighest_hubris_crills	it would be a stupid idea
[21:53]	starstreak	for charity, lets set this up
[21:53]	thighest_hubris_crills	but i wouldnt rule it out either
[21:53]	thighest_hubris_crills	what charity
[21:53]	starstreak	any charity you want
[21:53]	thighest_hubris_crills	its going to cost me some real money in dentistry
[21:53]	thighest_hubris_crills	that much is a given
[21:54]	thighest_hubris_crills	youre too into this
[21:54]	starstreak	lol
[21:54]	thighest_hubris_crills	i think you just like seeing catfights, the macho version
[21:55]	starstreak	catfights are great too
[21:55]	starstreak	like "bitch, you don't go fucking my bf!"
[21:55]	thighest_hubris_crills	/me wonders if jerry springer was invited to any of the kardashian weddings
[21:56]	starstreak	jerry springer was great
[21:56]	starstreak	i downloaded this one jerry springer video that was full of nudity
[21:56]	starstreak	it was like some kind of special
[21:56]		*starstreak looks for it
[21:56]	starstreak	Jersey Shore is great too
[21:56]	thighest_hubris_crills	 :)
[21:57]	starstreak	those people are so dumb
[21:57]	thighest_hubris_crills	you dont have ANY guilty pleasures, do you
[21:57]	thighest_hubris_crills	i mean not even the concept
[21:57]	starstreak	im usually pretty open
[21:58]	starstreak	some stuff is so bad its good
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[21:59]	thighest_hubris_crills	some stuff is so bad its good <- at least it has that going for it
[21:59]	thighest_hubris_crills	they make these caramels
[21:59]	starstreak	i watched Jersey Shore cuz Beavis and Butthead watched clips of it
[21:59]	thighest_hubris_crills	the name isnt goatse but its like that
[21:59]	thighest_hubris_crills	goetz?
[21:59]	starstreak	lol
[21:59]	thighest_hubris_crills	works either way
[21:59]	thighest_hubris_crills	they taste like an industrial byproduct
[21:59]	thighest_hubris_crills	from making pencil erasers
[21:59]	starstreak	the best kind
[21:59]	thighest_hubris_crills	but theyre sort of addictive
● Sep 16
[22:00]	thighest_hubris_crills	"i hate this! this is revolting!"
[22:00]	thighest_hubris_crills	"more?"
[22:00]	thighest_hubris_crills	"yes please!"
[22:00]	starstreak	star trek generations
[22:01]	thighest_hubris_crills	yep
[22:02]	starstreak	i watched all of them recently
[22:02]	thighest_hubris_crills	its fun that whoopi goldberg was on sttng
[22:02]	starstreak	star trek 1 is great on acid
[22:02]	thighest_hubris_crills	because it was seeing uhura on sttos that made her go into acting
[22:02]	thighest_hubris_crills	"mama theres a black lady on tv and she aint no maid!"
[22:03]	thighest_hubris_crills	^ young whoopi
[22:03]	starstreak	i wonder if barbarella would be good on acid
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[22:05]	thighest_hubris_crills	i figure most 60s style films are good on acid
[22:05]	thighest_hubris_crills	but ive never tried it, its not an ambition of mine
[22:07]	starstreak	its hard to find
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[22:07]	starstreak	i got it from a friend of a friend of a friend that was a hippy 
[22:08]	starstreak	its also illegal which is a bummer
[22:08]	thighest_hubris_crills	lol
[22:08]	starstreak	there are legal alternative drugs that have a similar composition to LSD
[22:08]	thighest_hubris_crills	id worry more about those
[22:08]	thighest_hubris_crills	last thing we need is another bath salts
[22:09]	starstreak	thats what made John McAfee is awesome
[22:09]	starstreak	so awesome*
[22:09]	thighest_hubris_crills	rofl
[22:09]	thighest_hubris_crills	no
[22:10]	thighest_hubris_crills	 XD
[22:13]	starstreak	whats this... jersey shore vacation
[22:13]	thighest_hubris_crills	/me imagines peter norton blew all the money from symantec on a mountain of cocaine
[22:13]	starstreak	lol
[22:13]	thighest_hubris_crills	"IM LIKE SCARFACE!"
[22:14]	thighest_hubris_crills	when i was a kid, i thought peter norton was the absolute shit
[22:14]	thighest_hubris_crills	because he could drink with his arse
[22:14]	thighest_hubris_crills	turned out, all he did was make a stupid little window and change a line in win.ini 
[22:14]	thighest_hubris_crills	but when i was a kid i didnt know that
[22:14]	thighest_hubris_crills	i thought he was some kind of incredible windows hacker
[22:14]	thighest_hubris_crills	LOOK HE CAN TAKE OVER THE SHELL WOW
[22:15]	thighest_hubris_crills	its pretty funny
[22:15]	thighest_hubris_crills	like thinking a basic card trick is REAL MAGIC
[22:15]	thighest_hubris_crills	i wanted to meet him
[22:15]	thighest_hubris_crills	YOURE SO COOL
[22:15]	thighest_hubris_crills	but i figured it out later
[22:15]	thighest_hubris_crills	still cool, but not exactly OMG
[22:15]	starstreak	i hated norton, it always slowed down a computer so much
[22:16]	thighest_hubris_crills	oh that was like a decade later
[22:16]	thighest_hubris_crills	that norton was shit
[22:16]	thighest_hubris_crills	but that norton wasnt even him
[22:16]	thighest_hubris_crills	they just had the rights to use his name as a brand by then
[22:17]	thighest_hubris_crills	which is dumb
[22:17]	starstreak	same with McAfee
[22:17]	thighest_hubris_crills	i bet he doesnt mind the money though
[22:17]	thighest_hubris_crills	i used to use cpav
[22:18]	thighest_hubris_crills	for dos
[22:18]	thighest_hubris_crills	then microsoft bought it
[22:18]	thighest_hubris_crills	it became msav
[22:18]	thighest_hubris_crills	then they killed it off
[22:18]	thighest_hubris_crills	not great
[22:18]	thighest_hubris_crills	central point made better windows stuff than windows
[22:18]	thighest_hubris_crills	hell, even win95 was kind of a ripoff of central point
[22:18]	thighest_hubris_crills	even though it was more a ripoff of os/2
[22:19]	thighest_hubris_crills	meanwhile at jobs hq
[22:19]	thighest_hubris_crills	"sir, its windows"
[22:19]	thighest_hubris_crills	"yes?"
[22:19]	thighest_hubris_crills	"sir, i dont know how to tell you this"
[22:20]	thighest_hubris_crills	"what is, number 2?"
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[22:20]	thighest_hubris_crills	"well, they-- they made their controls look 3d, sir"
[22:20]	thighest_hubris_crills	"What?"
[22:20]	thighest_hubris_crills	"they use shadows on everything like theyre buttons"
[22:20]	thighest_hubris_crills	"i see..."
[22:20]	thighest_hubris_crills	"sir, what should we do?"
[22:20]	thighest_hubris_crills	"make everything look like blue candy..."
[22:20]	thighest_hubris_crills	"yes sir, at once!"
[22:21]	thighest_hubris_crills	"and make the name sound cooler, something with a slash... and an x!"
[22:21]	thighest_hubris_crills	"right away sir!"
[22:22]	thighest_hubris_crills	"theyre going to regret this, fluffy... oh yes, theyre going to rue the day!"
[22:22]	thighest_hubris_crills	fluffy was his pet automat, from dr who
[22:23]	thighest_hubris_crills	its sort of like a hairless cat, except very importantly, its covered in chrome
[22:23]	thighest_hubris_crills	jobs used to pet it and talk to it to calm himself
[22:23]	starstreak	i like how things look on mac
[22:25]	thighest_hubris_crills	they have a certain charm
[22:28]	starstreak	os/2 was kinda cool
[22:28]	thighest_hubris_crills	i loved it
[22:29]	starstreak	i had warp 3 on floppy disks
[22:29]	thighest_hubris_crills	granted i was still using windows
[22:29]	thighest_hubris_crills	so os/2 seemed very futuristic
[22:29]	thighest_hubris_crills	by comparison
[22:29]	starstreak	i couldn't get os/2 warp 3 on the internet so i kept using windows 3.11
[22:29]	thighest_hubris_crills	to hold off on win95
[22:29]	thighest_hubris_crills	and maintain speed on a 486 laptop
[22:29]	thighest_hubris_crills	i ran calmira 
[22:30]	thighest_hubris_crills	win95 looks on win 3.1
[22:30]	starstreak	same
[22:30]	thighest_hubris_crills	cool
[22:30]	starstreak	those were the days :D
[22:30]	thighest_hubris_crills	oh  dont miss them
[22:30]	thighest_hubris_crills	i dont
[22:30]	thighest_hubris_crills	but honestly
[22:30]	thighest_hubris_crills	you have to be REALLY minimalist to expect anything remotely like that kind of speed now :)
[22:31]	thighest_hubris_crills	sometimes openbsd feels that fast
[22:31]	starstreak	true
[22:31]	thighest_hubris_crills	sometimes it doesnt
[22:31]	thighest_hubris_crills	i like xterm 
[22:31]	thighest_hubris_crills	if you want to open 10 xterm windows in a hurry, you can
[22:31]	thighest_hubris_crills	you can close them in a hurry
[22:31]	starstreak	i use gnome terminal
[22:31]	thighest_hubris_crills	tsk
[22:32]	starstreak	i dont use the command line all that much
[22:32]	thighest_hubris_crills	have the girl with the keyboard tablet show you :)
[22:32]	thighest_hubris_crills	i think she uses it a lot
[22:32]	thighest_hubris_crills	keyblet
[22:32]	thighest_hubris_crills	she has a keyblet
[22:32]	starstreak	lol
[22:33]	starstreak	i use the terminal to run "yay -Syu" every day
[22:33]	thighest_hubris_crills	the screen area isnt any more ridiculous than the new mac[]ooks
[22:34]	starstreak	what desktop or window manager do you run?
[22:34]	thighest_hubris_crills	dwm
[22:34]	thighest_hubris_crills	im going to fork it and call the new version dwm btw
[22:35]	starstreak	thats elite
[22:35]	thighest_hubris_crills	or ill just call it btw
[22:35]	thighest_hubris_crills	then i can say
[22:35]	thighest_hubris_crills	i use btw btw
[22:35]	starstreak	lol
[22:36]	starstreak	my hostname is archbtw
[22:36]	thighest_hubris_crills	rfl
[22:36]	thighest_hubris_crills	youre a dork
[22:36]	thighest_hubris_crills	dorks are best
[22:37]	starstreak	:)
[22:38]	starstreak	thanks
[22:39]	thighest_hubris_crills	anytime
[22:39]		*starstreak is downloading jersey shore
[22:39]	thighest_hubris_crills	trashy television is universal
[22:39]	starstreak	there is a jersey shore family vacation too
[22:39]	thighest_hubris_crills	even redundant
[22:39]	starstreak	dont you love trashy tv
[22:40]	thighest_hubris_crills	everybody does
[22:40]	thighest_hubris_crills	most people dont admit it
[22:40]	thighest_hubris_crills	i do hate most of it though
[22:40]	starstreak	i dont know if ill watch teen mom
[22:40]	thighest_hubris_crills	lol
[22:40]	thighest_hubris_crills	you should watch precious plum
[22:40]	starstreak	that might be too much of a train wreck
[22:40]	thighest_hubris_crills	its a parody of honey boo boo
[22:40]	starstreak	lol
[22:40]	starstreak	i hate honey boo boo
[22:41]	thighest_hubris_crills	"dog the bat?" "dog the bat!"
[22:41]	thighest_hubris_crills	"im gonna take dog for a walk!"
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[22:41]	thighest_hubris_crills	then she opens the box with the bat in the car
[22:41]	thighest_hubris_crills	and it starts flying around
[22:42]	thighest_hubris_crills	you have to see it though
[22:43]	thighest_hubris_crills	they should do jersey shore next
[22:46]	starstreak	damn
[22:46]	starstreak	the new jersey shore looks awesome
[22:55]	starstreak	FBoy Island sounds interesting
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[23:08]	thighest_hubris_crills	 theres a show called fuckboy island?
[23:09]	starstreak	yes
[23:09]	thighest_hubris_crills	rofl
[23:09]	thighest_hubris_crills	isnt that kind of like every island?
[23:09]	starstreak	lol
[23:09]	thighest_hubris_crills	i was watching breadtube for a bit
[23:10]	thighest_hubris_crills	and were in hell was doing a thing on pickup-- artist-- reality shows
[23:10]	thighest_hubris_crills	how...
[23:10]	thighest_hubris_crills	/me shakes head
[23:10]	thighest_hubris_crills	between that and your softcore ai with keyboards though it gave me a great idea
[23:11]	thighest_hubris_crills	and the one that contrapoints or philosophytube did on incel
[23:11]	thighest_hubris_crills	s
[23:11]	thighest_hubris_crills	i mostly gave up breadtube for a couple of reasons, the main one being that al sweigart seems to fund them all
[23:11]	thighest_hubris_crills	which isnt their fault.
[23:12]	thighest_hubris_crills	but im sure ill check on it again, because they update every month or two
[23:12]	starstreak	pickup artist reality show?
[23:13]	thighest_hubris_crills	theres more than one 
[23:13]	thighest_hubris_crills	i mean, reality shows are trash to begin with
[23:13]	thighest_hubris_crills	so a pickup artist reality show would be like
[23:13]	thighest_hubris_crills	trash inception
[23:13]	thighest_hubris_crills	this is half the premise of were in hell anyway
[23:14]	thighest_hubris_crills	sociology, anarcho communism and reality tv.
[23:14]	thighest_hubris_crills	at least the name is fair warning
[23:15]	thighest_hubris_crills	he managed to befriend xander corbus in the process, which i think is kind of priceless
[23:15]	thighest_hubris_crills	so now a top-name adult performer helps crowdfund a dork an-com youtube channel
[23:15]	thighest_hubris_crills	which i think is sweet
[23:15]	thighest_hubris_crills	better than al sweigart for sure
[23:17]	thighest_hubris_crills	also im pretty sure xander corbus is a communist :)
[23:18]	thighest_hubris_crills	which i think is great
[23:18]	thighest_hubris_crills	but theres certainly no proof
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[23:22]	TR News	"our collapsing and dysfunctional healthcare system." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/16/on-the-shambles-of-the-american-health-care-system-and-the-need-for-medicare-for-all/ | Source: Counter Punch
[23:22]	TR Bot	the Shambles of the American Health Care System and the Need for Medicare-for-All - CounterPunch.org
[23:25]	TR News	"If you live in Florida, you dont need the news to tell you that. You see the help wanted signs everywhere you go, advertising well above minimum wage" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/16/desantiss-costly-political-stunts-turn-floridas-taxpayers-into-involuntary-presidential-campaign-contributors/ | Source: Counter Punch
[23:25]	TR Bot	Costly Political Stunts Turn Florida's Taxpayers Into Involuntary Presidential Campaign Contributors - CounterPunch.org
[23:30]	TR News	Keys to Mexico City https://dontextraditeassange.com/post/julian-assange-receives-keys-to-mexico-city/ | Source: Don't Extradite Assange
[23:30]	TR Bot	 Julian Assange receives Keys to Mexico City - Don't Extradite Assange
[23:31]	TR News	The Florida Freshwater Squid https://fantasticmetropolis.com/i/squid/
[23:31]	TR Bot	 The Florida Freshwater Squid - Fantastic Metropolis
[23:31]	TR News	xkcd: Cursed mRNA Cocktail https://xkcd.com/2673
[23:31]	TR Bot	Cursed mRNA Cocktail
[23:32]	TR News	 (NEW): Kdenlive 22.08.1 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/16/Kdenlive_22_08_1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/16/Kdenlive_22_08_1.gmi 
[23:32]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Kdenlive 22.08.1
[23:32]	TR News	 (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/16/Android_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/16/Android_Leftovers.1.gmi 
[23:32]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Android Leftovers
[23:38]	TR News	Arch Linux mailing list changes https://archlinux.org/news/arch-linux-mailing-list-changes/
[23:38]	TR Bot	 Arch Linux - News: Arch Linux mailing list changes
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[23:39]	TR News	Not only is it a listening device; it's also lying to you and spamming you https://www.maketecheasier.com/amazon-alexa-sponsored-answers-to-questions/
[23:39]	TR Bot	 Amazon to Allow Alexa to Deliver Sponsored Answers to Questions - Make Tech Easier
[23:42]	TR News	The SECRET message in the Steam Deck's mascot: Steam Pal! - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=V0BTaQy5AE0 | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/V0BTaQy5AE0
[23:42]	TR Bot	 The SECRET message in the Steam Deck's mascot: Steam Pal! - Invidious
[23:43]	TR News	Making Neovim Look More Like Doom Emacs - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=0dtc7Qnw6aY | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/0dtc7Qnw6aY
[23:43]	TR Bot	 Making Neovim Look More Like Doom Emacs - Invidious
[23:43]	TR News	How to install Venom Linux 4.0 - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=sm_vbbTBi4I | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/sm_vbbTBi4I
[23:43]	TR Bot	 How to install Venom Linux 4.0 - Invidious
[23:44]	TR News	Sweet Transit Now Working Fine on Linux with Proton Experimental - Boiling Steam https://boilingsteam.com/sweet-transit-linux-proton-experimental/ Source: Boiling Steam | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//boilingsteam.com/sweet-transit-linux-proton-experimental/
[23:44]	TR Bot	 Sweet Transit Now Working Fine on Linux with Proton Experimental - Boiling Steam
[23:45]	TR News	Laura Tucker running GULAG SPAM. Even if GULAG paid you, then you should say "No!" https://www.maketecheasier.com/deal/google-nest-thermostat/
[23:45]	TR Bot	 Save $30 on a Google Nest Thermostat - Make Tech Easier
[23:46]	TR News	"I have finally my Samba server up and running with some photos and videos (from our mobiles) that I tried to watch through the FireTV... Now the FireTV is good at streaming paid services but very uncooperative when is time to watch local content." gemini://warp.geminispace.club/~freezr/pebcak/index.gmi
[23:47]	TR News	Limiting distraction on my phone gemini://gmi.bacardi55.io/gemlog/2022/09/16/limiting-distraction-on-my-phone/ get rid of the device, enjoy zero distraction
[23:47]	TR News	"ChillyWeather (OpenWeather) had forecast overcast skies until pretty much the end of time, so I went to bed last night without any plans to do star gazing. When I got up at 3:30am, as I usually do, I took a quick glance at ChillyWeather and was shocked to discover that current conditions were reported as "few clouds" i.e., pretty much clear skies." gemini://gem.librehacker.com/gemlog/starlog/20220916-0.gmi
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[23:50]	TR News	Using Netdata on NixOS and connecting to Netdata cloud gemini://perso.pw/blog/articles/netdata-cloud-nixos.gmi
[23:51]	TR News	Using Netdata on NixOS and connecting to Netdata cloud gemini://perso.pw/blog/articles/netdata-cloud-nixos.gmi
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[23:51]	schestowitz	            WTF? What are you celebrating, Microsoft malware? "
[23:51]	schestowitz	This week we had our annual DuckDuckGo meetup!" gemini://jagtalon.smol.pub/week-9 DDG, liars, Microsoft.... http://techrights.org/wiki/DuckDuckGo
[23:51]	TR Bot	 DuckDuckGo - Techrights
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[23:53]	TR News	Russia has been quietly building up its domestic surveillance apparatus. https://slate.com/technology/2022/09/russia-domestic-surveillance.html "Russia is keeping an eye on everyone, including pensioners and priests."
[23:53]	TR Bot	 Russia has been quietly building up its domestic surveillance apparatus.
[23:53]	TR News	Russia has been quietly building up its domestic surveillance apparatus. https://slate.com/technology/2022/09/russia-domestic-surveillance.html "Russia is keeping an eye on everyone, including pensioners and priests."
[23:57]	TR News	Manchester's Whitworth Gallery is nice, but their coffee shop is totally insane. Not accepting cash at all. It's not some small shop but a big one. I bet they lie and basically exploited COVID-19 to push in this agenda (for totally malicious reasons).