●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 ●● ● Dec 16 [00:00] DaemonFC[m] Over the past 6.5 years were [00:00] DaemonFC[m] We've [00:01] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:03] DaemonFC[m] reasonably health community [00:03] DaemonFC[m] Healthy [00:03] schestowitz thanks, correcting now [00:04] schestowitz done ● Dec 16 [01:11] *chovy has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [01:23] *chovy (~chovy@pdpc/supporter/active/chovy) has joined #techrights ● Dec 16 [02:02] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [02:02] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [02:03] GNUmoon There doesn't appear to be evidence that the FBI backdoors were found in OpenBSD: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2010/12/openbsd-code-audit-uncovers-bugs-but-no-evidence-of-backdoor/ [02:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | OpenBSD code audit uncovers bugs, but no evidence of backdoor | Ars Technica [02:03] GNUmoon Any other evidence? [02:11] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [02:13] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [02:38] *psydroid has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [02:38] *DaemonFC[m] has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [02:41] *psydroid (psydroidma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ynrbkukaclorgcbf) has joined #techrights [02:41] *DaemonFC[m] (daemonfcma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-fkzlxrwjzqlyezvl) has joined #techrights ● Dec 16 [03:08] cybrNaut fella in ##email just mentioned that MS is blocking his org's email b/c they share an IP block with some bad actors. He's done everything he can to dance for MS (SPF, DKIM, etc), and cannot escape MS's /collective punishment/ practice. [03:10] cybrNaut seems like a noteworthy story on reckless collateral damage from MS-- another bit of rationale to get ppl off Hotmail/Outlook [03:12] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [03:12] cybrNaut "ttys000> ehhh its bigger than i thought, the block i'm on is 172.105.96.0/20" [03:22] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [03:41] vZS1 I'm not implementing IPFS cluster for 2 reasons [03:41] vZS1 1) unnecessary complexity [03:42] vZS1 2) "Collaborative clusters allow individual, untrusted peers to join an IPFS Cluster as followers (without permission to modify or edit the pinset)." : People shouldn't be discouraged from modifying the index of objects being pinned. [03:44] *rianne_ has quit (Read error: No route to host) [03:44] vZS1 "untrusted peer" is not the kind of label I am happy to call someone sharing their bandwidth. IPFS objects are all hashed. This "untrusted" language is damaging to community. [03:44] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [03:46] vZS1 TR has a simple text-only, space-delimited, IPFS index which can easily be parsed. It's not going to get more complicated than that. [03:48] vZS1 schestowitz: maybe we could do a separate IPFS index in something like JSON to make it easy to include metadata. This would be particularly handy for stuff like audio and video files (we could have a field with a description, for each object, and also a name field) ● Dec 16 [04:00] vZS1 Expanding on 2) some people might want to pin only specific objects, so I don't see the point of the added complexity and rigidity here either [04:16] vZS1 We've deliberately kept our system "stupid" so that it's easy to just grab data and pin whatever you want to from the index. This way, even people without programming knowledge can easily find what they want. [04:19] vZS1 Finally, 3) more functionality is unnecessary bloat. Adding unnecessary features makes it harder to run a node on embedded devices because of extra resource usage. [04:21] vZS1 Our current setup runs perfectly fine in devices like the raspberry pi. Because of the bloat already present in the go-ipfs implementation, a Pi 3B+ already has a significant proportion of system resources used up by go-ipfs. Our goal is to strip away bloat, not add to it. [04:25] *aicra (~aicra@ip70-177-162-12.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #techrights [04:28] *aicra has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [04:50] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) ● Dec 16 [05:14] DaemonFC[m] Okay, I finished the Lonesome Road add-on. [05:15] DaemonFC[m] I decided to nuke Caesar's Legion. [05:15] search_social https://www.ama-assn.org/system/files/2020-10/nov20-handbook-addendum.pdf [05:15] DaemonFC[m] Doesn't really change the main game too much. NCR Fame and lots of XP and a perk. [05:16] search_social RESOLVED, That our American Medical Association rescind its statement calling for physicians 4 to stop prescribing hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine until sufficient evidence becomes 5 available to conclusively illustrate that the harm associated with use outweighs benefit early in 6 the disease course. [05:16] search_social oh look, big pharma new HCQ worked all along but didn't want to let that information cut into their profits [05:18] DaemonFC[m] It didn't really help anyone in the Trump White House. [05:18] DaemonFC[m] They stopped talking about it and went off to that homeopathic remedy the mypillow asshole was hawking. [05:20] search_social Trump didn't have the self-confidence necessary to realize big pharma was lying [05:20] search_social that's his personal failing, he's too humble [05:29] DaemonFC[m] :/ [05:30] search_social i'm trying a new angle [05:31] search_social get it [05:31] search_social a tryangle [05:35] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [05:38] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [05:46] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights ● Dec 16 [06:05] DaemonFC[m] I guess I should download the GoG version of Fallout 3. They have all of the add-ons and I'm betting they removed that stupid Games for Windows Live crap. [06:05] DaemonFC[m] The stuff that crashed under Wine until I took a hex editor to the dll and made a non-functional stub for the game to think loaded. [06:10] schestowitz [03:08] fella in ##email just mentioned that MS is blocking his org's email b/c they share an IP block with some bad actors. He's done everything he can to dance for MS (SPF, DKIM, etc), and cannot escape MS's /collective punishment/ practice. [06:10] schestowitz Same thing happened to us at work [06:10] schestowitz email 'hegemony' [06:10] schestowitz mostly Google/Microsoft [06:18] vZS1 DNS and email are effectively finished. Both monopolised. [06:18] schestowitz What was it like in the 80s? [06:19] *xvx has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [06:19] schestowitz IIRC, ISPs had more leverage [06:19] schestowitz before GAFAM [06:19] schestowitz My first email address was part of the ISP package [06:21] vZS1 If you want to communicate, run your own ticket system or support forum. Don't rely on email. [06:21] vZS1 The hegemony will only get worse. [06:22] vZS1 phpBB is pretty solid. [06:22] vZS1 Intuitive UI [06:22] vZS1 Good for the non-technical types. [06:24] vZS1 Supports mobile and also stuff like RSS [06:26] vZS1 The stack for phpBB is very old so you've got no worries about administration either. [06:27] vZS1 Ditch email. It's a list cause [06:27] vZS1 s/list/lost [06:31] schestowitz [06:21] If you want to communicate, run your own ticket system or support forum. Don't rely on email. [06:31] schestowitz I use ytalk on a mate's raspi now [06:31] schestowitz with konsole alerts for activity [06:31] schestowitz you get alerted as the other person types [06:31] schestowitz [06:22] phpBB is pretty solid. [06:32] schestowitz I had two installations of it, there was once a severe security issue in it [06:32] schestowitz [06:27] Ditch email. It's a list cause [06:32] schestowitz Sometimes you still need to accommodate what OTHER people uses [06:32] schestowitz as if the case for audio/video chat [06:33] schestowitz vZS1: http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2010/08/10/giving-up-on-email/ [06:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com Blog Archive RIP E-mail [06:33] schestowitz lots more in http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/category/mail/ [06:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com Mail [06:33] vZS1 I was speaking from a commercial point of view [06:34] vZS1 Email will put you in shackles [06:34] *tdemin_ (~tdemin@lan.tdem.in) has joined #techrights [06:35] vZS1 Email is declining anyway [06:36] vZS1 A chat+forum system is much better in terms of autonomy of a project/business [06:37] vZS1 You don't need to jump through arbitrary hoops imposed by the GAFAM hegemony. [06:37] vZS1 What software you host is up to you. [06:37] schestowitz Those are relatively new hoops [06:37] schestowitz got worse in recent years [06:38] vZS1 They'll get worse [06:38] schestowitz social control media is another problem [06:38] schestowitz you outsource the whole stack directly, to a third party that censors [06:39] schestowitz Some clients ask us about https://krebsonsecurity.com/2020/12/solarwinds-hack-could-affect-18k-customers/ [06:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-krebsonsecurity.com | SolarWinds Hack Could Affect 18K Customers Krebs on Security [06:39] schestowitz we don't use that piece of shite anywhere [06:39] schestowitz Proprietary software and security are not compatible [06:41] schestowitz https://techxplore.com/news/2020-12-free-tool-layer-software-chain.html [06:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techxplore.com | New, free tool adds layer of security for the software supply chain [06:41] schestowitz lots citing this crap now [06:44] vZS1 A support system should also be easy to migrate [06:45] vZS1 Or at least you should build the migration system for it in case you need to jump ship [06:46] vZS1 If you don't have a migration system in place you're in for a ride. (: [06:46] vZS1 It basically boils down to knowing exactly where and how your data is stored and the data structures in use. [06:47] mjg59 https://lwn.net/Articles/22991/ demonstrated that this isn't something restricted to non-free software [06:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The trojaning of mICQ [LWN.net] [06:47] vZS1 Hapless system engineers just cobble things together but when SHTF all they can do is such their head in the sand and get trapped into an ecosystem. [06:48] vZS1 s/such/stick [06:48] vZS1 This is one of the ShitHub traps. [06:48] vZS1 Tried and tested. [06:48] vZS1 Clown computing as well [06:52] schestowitz they blame GitHub issues on "Linux" now [06:52] schestowitz I thought about making the next video about that [06:53] schestowitz there are two type of that this week [06:53] schestowitz the other is a Windows Trojan [06:53] vZS1 At the start of this year I saved an entire operation that had tens of terabytes of data that needed migration. They didn't have anyone with foresight designing their system. I had to sit down and teach them about the importance of understanding what their data is stored as. Then the migration effort was smooth sailing. [06:53] schestowitz which they try to associate with Linux because it MIGHT get ported to it [06:54] vZS1 If you can wait until the weekend, I'd like to pitch in on that. [06:55] schestowitz did you see the articles? [06:55] schestowitz they actually recycle older FUD [06:55] vZS1 Link them pls [06:56] schestowitz along the lines of http://techrights.org/2020/11/07/ransomware-at-zdnet/ [06:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ZDNet Calls Windows Ransomware Linux to Keep Pages About Linux Full of Fear-Mongering Nonsense | Techrights [06:56] schestowitz first pattern: https://threatpost.com/gitpaste-12-worm-widens-exploits/162290/ [06:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Gitpaste-12 Worm Widens Set of Exploits in New Attacks | Threatpost [06:56] schestowitz saw it last month [06:56] schestowitz then again twice yesterday [06:56] schestowitz they recycle it [06:56] schestowitz The lousy media keeps trying to associate this Microsoft GitHub (proprietary software) problem with "Linux" [06:56] vZS1 I wasn't really reading much TR back in August [06:56] schestowitz https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/new-windows-info-stealing-malware-may-soon-target-linux-macos/ [06:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | New Windows malware may soon target Linux, macOS devices [06:57] schestowitz "May soon". How to frame a Windows problem as "Linux". [06:57] schestowitz This is days old: http://techrights.org/2020/12/13/human-error-zdnet/ [06:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ZDNet Has Just Cooked Another Crooked Story Tacitly Blaming Linux and Postgres for Something Thats to Blame on Neither | Techrights [06:58] vZS1 I'll put these down in my calendar. We can do a discussion over this on Saturday or Sunday (if you're available). Perhaps over mumble? [06:58] vZS1 Mumble does have a recording feature [06:59] schestowitz it does [06:59] schestowitz we used lots of software over the years ● Dec 16 [07:00] vZS1 I'll study these articles you linked and make notes. I'll keep said notes ready for our podcast. [07:00] schestowitz SIP stuff aplenty, usually audacity and openshot where editing became necessary [07:00] vZS1 SIP? [07:00] *Researcher- has quit (Quit: Node swtching mode ... transfer will complete in 12 sec) [07:00] schestowitz mumble is e2e afaik [07:01] vZS1 Ah. Yeah, you can use TLS [07:01] schestowitz most we did was 3 simultaneous people in it [07:01] vZS1 We can try to get fig on an well [07:01] vZS1 s/an/as [07:02] vZS1 But I'm alright with just 2 [07:02] schestowitz fig threw a tantrum over something people said in IRC about nutrition [07:03] vZS1 Not really the person to ask about nutrition (me) [07:03] vZS1 So I can't comment [07:03] schestowitz sometimes about some addictive chemical in foods [07:07] vZS1 I've noted the links you just shared. I'll give them a read and make notes for the podcast [07:08] schestowitz I need to know more about you before leaping into a podcast [07:08] vZS1 It's pre-recorded [07:08] schestowitz because we've been subjected to spying operations and stuff [07:08] vZS1 You can edit out things [07:09] vZS1 Or I could go a written piece. [07:09] vZS1 Up to you [07:09] schestowitz For this one, a written piece might be better [07:09] vZS1 s/go/do [07:10] schestowitz https://changelog.complete.org/archives/10124-how-to-join-the-fediverse-and-cast-off-the-attention-economy [07:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-changelog.complete.org | How To Join the Fediverse and Cast Off the Attention Economy | The Changelog [07:10] schestowitz "When you use email, you can send a message from an account at Google to one at Yahoo, Microsoft, or any of millions of businesses and organizations running their own mail server. Unlike, say, Facebook, email isnt a single service, but rather a whole bunch of independent systems that can communicate (or federate) with each other." [07:10] *Researcher- (iana@64.140.159.183) has joined #techrights [07:10] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: May we live long and die out | http://vhemt.org/) [07:11] vZS1 That's based on the assumption that anyone can set up an email server that can freely send email. [07:11] vZS1 Which is a false assumption [07:12] vZS1 You'll get filtered as spam unless you're GAFAM, more often than not. [07:12] *tdemin_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [07:12] schestowitz fediverse has similar issues [07:13] schestowitz with sites that refuse to federate with some others [07:13] vZS1 Failed assumptions there as well [07:15] schestowitz we said it in our podcast a decade back wrt diaspora [07:15] schestowitz that instances might refuse to cooperate with some others [07:15] schestowitz so free speech was not at at guaranteed [07:15] schestowitz unless you want to speak to yourself [07:16] schestowitz then there are other elephants in the room [07:16] schestowitz for 2.5 weeks now the bot in this channel, viera, has not worked [07:16] vZS1 All these performs have their strategy backwards [07:16] schestowitz because the site it relies on is down [07:16] schestowitz this is the third time I lose a fediverse account.... in less than half a decade, maybe 4 years [07:17] vZS1 The data should be easy to share, people should share it via whatever channels of communication they feel like [07:17] schestowitz (apparently this latest account will be restored later this week, the database is just vast and takes time to restore after serious hardware crash) [07:17] vZS1 That's why BitTorrent is so successful [07:18] schestowitz WTF is THIS? https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ampere-altra-q80&num=1 [07:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ampere Altra Performance Shows It Can Compete With - Or Even Outperform - AMD EPYC & Intel Xeon - Phoronix [07:18] schestowitz sounds like phoronix marketing [07:18] vZS1 Nobody cares how you tell people about torrent files nor magnet links [07:18] vZS1 The important thing is that torrents are easy to share [07:18] vZS1 IPFS is gaining traction for similar reasons [07:23] vZS1 Phoronix is just a marketing platform [07:23] vZS1 Anyway. Got stuff to do. Cya later. [07:28] schestowitz old: https://www.i-programmer.info/news/82-heritage/8403-gnu-manifesto-published-thirty-years-ago.html [07:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.i-programmer.info | GNU Manifesto Published Thirty Years Ago [07:32] schestowitz vZS1: cheers! [07:32] schestowitz vZS1: and don't feel offended if we need more time before the podcast thing, it's a big project, need to think it all through [07:32] schestowitz https://zaitcev.livejournal.com/261690.html [07:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-zaitcev.livejournal.com | Google outage: zaitcev LiveJournal [07:32] schestowitz "It's very funny to hear about people who were unable to turn on their lights because their houses were "smart". Not a good look for Google Nest! But I had a real problem:" [07:33] vZS1 > and don't feel offended if we need more time before the podcast thing, it's a big project, need to think it all through [07:33] vZS1 That's understandable. [07:33] schestowitz "Google outage crashed my Thunderbird so good that the only fix is to delete the ~/.thunderbird and re-add all accounts." [07:33] schestowitz wow [07:34] schestowitz vZS1: I can say it on the record: [07:34] schestowitz previous co-host was a cop [07:34] schestowitz who later turned out to have been infiltrating groups, by his own admission [07:34] schestowitz so whether or not we were among the targets, hard to tell [07:34] schestowitz he denies it [07:34] schestowitz and he's no longer a cop [07:35] schestowitz I spoke to some experts about it [07:35] schestowitz they don't rule out the possibility [07:35] schestowitz like Annie Machon [07:35] schestowitz this is why I'm also putting no passwords on the pi [07:36] schestowitz he also knew https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/aug/28/police-investigate-officer-who-infiltrated-environmental-groups [07:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Police investigate officer who infiltrated environmental groups | Mark Kennedy | The Guardian [07:37] schestowitz of course this may all mean nothing at all, but no agent will say upfront, "yeah, you got me" [07:37] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigurdur_Thordarson [07:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Sigurdur Thordarson - Wikipedia [07:37] schestowitz Two types of threat in that regard [07:38] schestowitz either infiltrator [07:38] schestowitz or insider who is later being bribed to become one [07:38] schestowitz to stir up trouble or spy (or both) [07:38] schestowitz people with server access I've known for well over a decade [07:39] schestowitz the ipfs stuff is all public, no passwords or anything, just sharing [07:39] schestowitz so at this point it's risk-free [07:39] schestowitz I know you wrote some books, I can see that [07:40] schestowitz but a third aspect is the adherents aspect [07:40] schestowitz which, for the record, I'll explain like this [07:40] schestowitz 1) person A comes to project/site X [07:40] schestowitz 2) person A has issues with person B [07:41] schestowitz 3) person A gossips and asks for person B to be removed [07:41] schestowitz another version: [07:41] schestowitz 2) person A asks for unreasonable things to be done [07:41] schestowitz 3a) those things are done, causing the project a catastrophe [07:42] schestowitz or 3b) person A throws a tantrum, goes around publicly (press/Internet) shaming the former 'colleagues' (this was done a lot to Wikileaks over the years)\ [07:43] schestowitz bottom line: we're careful, not selective, who gets in and who we associate with (anyone can join IRC; not everyone gets server or blog access) ● Dec 16 [08:38] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [08:39] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [08:41] *notanamber (~luca@host-79-6-210-200.business.telecomitalia.it) has joined #techrights [08:45] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [08:45] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [08:46] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [08:47] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights ● Dec 16 [09:17] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights ● Dec 16 [10:01] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [10:02] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [10:25] *mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrights ● Dec 16 [11:04] *birkoff has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [11:07] vZS1 It's a good thing you're careful. We've already seen what can happen to projects that aren't. [11:07] *tdemin_ (~tdemin@lan.tdem.in) has joined #techrights [11:09] search_social https://jmichaelhudson.net/identifying-police-state-infiltration-in-civilian-organizations/ [11:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Cannot communicate securely with peer: no common encryption algorithm(s). ( status 0 @ https://jmichaelhudson.net/identifying-police-state-infiltration-in-civilian-organizations/ ) [11:18] *birkoff (birkoff@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-dbiakfgzkuyqahxy) has joined #techrights [11:34] *tdemin_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [11:44] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [11:46] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights ● Dec 16 [12:15] *tdemin_ (~tdemin@lan.tdem.in) has joined #techrights [12:27] *tdemin_ has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [12:28] *scientes is reticulating splines [12:34] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [12:34] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [12:35] *inky (inky@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/norayr) has joined #techrights [12:46] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights ● Dec 16 [13:20] *gry has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [13:33] *gry (~test@unaffiliated/gryllida) has joined #techrights [13:35] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [13:36] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [13:37] *Condor has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [13:45] *Condor (~freenode@e1.nixmagic.com) has joined #techrights [13:53] *kupi (uid212005@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jxedmdsaplwusuum) has joined #techrights [13:59] *tdemin_ (~tdemin@lan.tdem.in) has joined #techrights ● Dec 16 [14:10] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/2007301 [14:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4791235) [14:11] *birkoff has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [14:24] MinceR (cat) (audio) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/24/ec97d391ae08e7e1.mp4 [14:42] *birkoff (birkoff@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-lconbebttdfmjaac) has joined #techrights [14:47] *birkoff has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [14:50] DaemonFC[m] https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/12/worker-protests-at-indian-iphone-factory-causes-up-to-7-million-in-damages/ [14:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | iPhone factory workers say they havent been paid, cause millions in damages | Ars Technica [14:50] DaemonFC[m] Sabotage [14:52] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #techrights ● Dec 16 [15:00] MinceR https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/25/782fe7f34dede3a4.jpg [15:01] XRevan86 https://graphika.com/reports/more-troll-kombat/ cute [15:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-graphika.com | More-Troll Kombat [15:07] DaemonFC[m] The FDA authorized an at-home COVID test, but it relies on a smartphone app. Most likely so it can rat you out to the government. There's really no functional need for anything other than what those at-home HIV tests do, where it's one line or two lines. [15:08] DaemonFC[m] It's another way your smartphone can rat you out to the government that people are going to volunteer for. [15:13] DaemonFC[m] USCIS says they won't consider COVID-19 diagnosis for immigration, but they will. [15:13] DaemonFC[m] Believe me, they will. [15:14] DaemonFC[m] The government lies whenever their lips are moving, and the US immigration people are 10 times worse. [15:15] DaemonFC[m] They said whatever they needed to say to get through the years where Obama could have fired them, and then they all put on their Trump hats. [15:15] DaemonFC[m] You could tell that they had been itching to take the gloves off and crack skull over things like parking tickets for many years. [15:16] DaemonFC[m] And then, as the finishing touch, Trump had them rip off their name tags and launch chemical weapons attacks and kidnappings against US citizens. [15:17] DaemonFC[m] Whether they let them go or not after a few hours in custody is irrelevant. They would identify themselves or which "police" they were with, and they wouldn't say what you were "detained" for, and then as soon as you refused to talk to them and asked for a lawyer, they cut you loose so the courts couldn't review it. [15:17] DaemonFC[m] It was clearly a dry run for something worse that Trump was planning. [15:17] DaemonFC[m] *wouldn't [15:17] *birkoff (birkoff@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-itlyxtrbziztqtch) has joined #techrights [15:18] DaemonFC[m] At the point where they wouldn't identify themselves or what charge they had detained you on, the detention was immediately unlawful. [15:20] DaemonFC[m] It was pretty clear that the orders from above were to push it as far as they could until it became incredibly clear that what they would do next was illegal and then once the bluff was called, cut em loose. [15:22] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: I ran into one of those "Why isn't the story with power armor consistent in Fallout?". [15:24] DaemonFC[m] It's a game. A better science question would be how most of that technology is possible in the alt-world given that transistors were never much of a thing and that AI robots using vacuum tubes probably wouldn't be possible and they certainly wouldn't still be actively patrolling abandoned bases 200 years after the apocalypse. [15:24] MinceR :> [15:25] MinceR https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/25/3bf77dd6d777796b.jpg [15:28] DaemonFC[m] I suppose that the dialog would seem to suggest that the military had advanced computers and robots built on transistor technology, but most civilian tech is retrograde. [15:29] DaemonFC[m] A possible explanation for that is that they wanted to limit how much advanced technology that Chinese and Russian spies could gather from the civilian sector and apply to military use. [15:31] DaemonFC[m] It's possible that in the alt-world, the Chinese and Russians really are many years behind the US military, that's why, and that the nuclear attack from China was purely out of spite after the mainland was overrun with US soldiers in advanced combat armor. [15:32] DaemonFC[m] There was no personal computer market because they would have to let go of state secrets with potential military applications. [15:33] DaemonFC[m] So the mixed messages about how advanced 2077 alt-world America really was might make sense. [15:34] DaemonFC[m] I haven't played all the games though. [15:36] DaemonFC[m] The way power armor works suddenly changing completely in Fallout 4 was just sloppy storytelling though. [15:36] MinceR https://i.imgur.com/6ZPUKCt.png [15:37] DaemonFC[m] Oh they seem to be good at making themselves irrelevant. [15:38] DaemonFC[m] They negotiated a parasitic relationship on the EU and then demanded sovereignty from a deal they set up that mostly benefited themselves. [15:38] MinceR :> [15:38] DaemonFC[m] Then after they left, they want the same parasitic relationship on trade, but it's not a problem now. [15:40] DaemonFC[m] TLDR Brexit is like "You know, it's be great if you let us continue freeloading off your economic bloc without contributing even the window dressings that we have now.". [15:40] DaemonFC[m] *it'd [15:41] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: It's not that the UK excluding England is really altruistic or loves the EU so much that they're smart enough to figure out that this is lunacy and that neither the EU nor the countries that they were trading with through the EU's agreements are obligated to give then jack shit now. [15:42] DaemonFC[m] Outside of the framework that took decades to build they have to negotiate all over again, and it could well end up worse. [15:42] DaemonFC[m] Then for some reason they just can't stop fucking with Northern Ireland even if the EU and the US say there will be consequences. [15:44] DaemonFC[m] The EU may or may not mean it. They often say one thing on human rights and do another, but I'm not so sure that this US-UK trade deal won't be impacted severely by this. There's a new Sheriff in town over here, and unlike the Departing Despot, he might actually sanction them. [15:45] DaemonFC[m] Nancy Pelosi already said absolutely no deal if they cross the red line of reneging further on the Good Friday Agreement. [15:45] DaemonFC[m] And like Brexit, it's really stupid to reopen old wounds anyway regardless of what other countries are saying about this. [15:46] DaemonFC[m] Lots of people ended up dying the first time around, for over 40 years, because they didn't want to be meddled with. [15:46] DaemonFC[m] Take a hint. If they're happy to stop the violence in exchange for some devolved form of government, quit there. Immediately. [15:47] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: Schizophrenic Sneering Imperialism [15:47] DaemonFC[m] When that little voice inside your head tells you you're still an empire. [15:47] MinceR > and do another [15:47] MinceR or do nothing [15:48] DaemonFC[m] Because you're good enough, you're smart enough, and gosh darn it, Northern Ireland likes you. [15:48] MinceR while the gypsy king poisons and destroys the whole thing [15:49] DaemonFC[m] The US still isn't to the point where there's going to be any sort of serious breakawy movement. My dad seems to think 38 states will secede because Trump lost the election. [15:49] DaemonFC[m] It's rather sad that he doesn't really see what this is. [15:50] DaemonFC[m] A few rednecks gathering in DC to knife police officers and yell "STOP THE STEAL!" at a building. [15:51] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, I'm sure that knifing the cops is going to go really well. Good luck with that. [15:51] DaemonFC[m] You know, if you had sympathizers in there and you were hoping to stay off the watch lists just because of that, you blew it. [15:52] DaemonFC[m] But these people are too fucking dumb to realize that now they've messed with an organized crime syndicate with state authority. [15:53] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: If a bunch of black people started gathering packing assault rifles and wearing military surplus we all know what would happen. [15:54] DaemonFC[m] Even in 2020, the Klan is free to go on the march and the cops are on their side, frankly speaking. [15:54] MinceR :> [15:55] DaemonFC[m] So the cops are like the mafia, or a gang of street thugs even. You stay away from them. You don't talk to them. You definitely don't piss them off. [15:55] DaemonFC[m] And in return, they probably leave you alone because you're a non-threat. ● Dec 16 [16:14] MinceR that's what the state is like too [16:20] *birkoff has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [16:26] *CrystalMath (~coderain@reactos/developer/theflash) has joined #techrights [16:27] *notanamber has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [16:29] MinceR (cat) https://hugelolcdn.com/i/716256.jpg [16:32] scientes https://i.imgur.com/6ZPUKCt.png [16:32] scientes lol [16:33] *birkoff (birkoff@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-cowfxznhkepxtrki) has joined #techrights [16:33] scientes got some giggles out of me [16:35] scientes MinceR, what the hell is this brain thing? [16:36] scientes super creepy if you ask me [16:36] MinceR art :> [16:36] scientes schestowitz, https://i.imgur.com/6ZPUKCt.png [16:37] schestowitz let me see.. [16:38] schestowitz Wales also? [16:38] scientes MinceR posted it [16:38] scientes schestowitz, you mean ireland also [16:38] schestowitz yeah, all of them [16:39] scientes England and wales is the same flag [16:39] schestowitz they have a dragon [16:39] schestowitz and crest iirc [16:39] MinceR the flag of wales is not part of the union jack [16:39] scientes ahhh yes, so they have no representation in the union jack [16:40] schestowitz "The Union Flag, or Union Jack, is the national flag of the United Kingdom. It is so called because it combines the crosses of the three countries united under one Sovereign - the kingdoms of England and Wales, of Scotland and of Ireland (although since 1921 only Northern Ireland has been part of the United Kingdom)." [16:41] scientes I wish I was still in contact with my Norwegeian friend [16:41] scientes to share that with him [16:41] scientes very scandanavian humor [16:41] schestowitz their flags are usually just crosses [16:41] scientes there was this russian video for the fifa word cup [16:41] scientes and they have the colors horizontal so it looked like a french flag too me [16:41] schestowitz "Wales had no explicit recognition in the Union Jack as it had been a part of the Kingdom of England since being annexed by Edward I of England in 1282 and its full integration by the Laws in Wales Acts 15351542, and was therefore represented by the flag of England." [16:42] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Jack [16:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Union Jack - Wikipedia [16:42] scientes schestowitz, we flags a big thing in the 13th century? [16:42] scientes the EU has this anti-flag policy [16:43] scientes (and then they have their own flag, the hypocrites) [16:45] scientes Westminster Abbey was built at the same time [16:47] kingoffrance heralds dont pun, because they cant [16:48] DaemonFC[m] https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/no-covid-19-vaccines-don-t-contain-satan-s-microchips-and-other-scary-conspiracy-theories-aren-t-true-either/ar-BB1bWYmn [16:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.msn.com | No, COVID-19 vaccines dont contain Satans microchips (and other scary conspiracy theories arent true, either) [16:48] schestowitz BS straw man [16:48] schestowitz the Microsoft/Gates sites would paint vaccien critics as cranks [16:48] schestowitz by appealing to the most nutty theories [16:48] schestowitz 5G industry did the same [16:49] schestowitz but this is expected [16:49] MinceR satan's microchips > yahweh's microchips [16:49] scientes MinceR, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3rVtcm6pBE [16:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-James Ingram and Michael McDonald - Yah Mo Be There - YouTube [16:49] DaemonFC[m] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi133lOVoLY [16:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Archer- Bunny and Lettuce (Funny) - YouTube [16:50] scientes > (and other scary conspiracy theories arent true, either) [16:50] scientes the blanket statement like this means they are lying [16:51] scientes MinceR, yahweh is horrible however, as that sound does not exist in Hebrew [16:51] scientes it is just those annoying prostestants [16:53] scientes ahhh here it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJTiDMfDeyE [16:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-James Ingram Michael McDonald Yah Mo Be There Extended version - YouTube [16:55] kingoffrance quite the opposite. reagan decided noahide laws were a good thing [16:55] kingoffrance the beauty of religion is you just say everyone has magical invisible contracts in the pre-existence [16:55] kingoffrance and then no consent of teh governed is needed [16:56] MinceR scientes: jews shouldn't have turned the name of their god into a taboo and then they'd still know what that god is called [16:56] scientes heh [16:57] scientes MinceR, but that isn't really it. Arabic has the same problem with lack of vowels. [16:57] scientes but Yahweh certainly is wrong, as that vowel just doesn't exist in Hebrew [16:57] scientes English has like 9 vowels (although those postestants dont know that either) [16:57] MinceR there is a way to denote vowels in hebrew, but they used the marks for "adonai" instead [16:57] scientes English is particularly rich in vowels [16:58] scientes nah, they do put YHWH in there, they just don't say it [16:58] MinceR those are the consonants [16:58] scientes and historically they write WHWH in the babalonian script, rather than "modern" hebrew [16:58] scientes (post-exile) [16:58] MinceR they haven't fucked with the consonants yet, afaik [16:59] scientes the vowel markings are VERY recent (same in Arabic) [16:59] MinceR then i guess they forgot what their god was called because they never said it and didn't write it down either [16:59] kingoffrance i thought scientes was in america ● Dec 16 [17:00] scientes the Jehovah Witnesses are adament about saying it [17:00] scientes and that is a reasonable choice of vowels [17:00] MinceR isn't theirs wrong though? [17:00] scientes it is just that the KJV bible removed the sacred name of the Hebrew god [17:00] scientes MinceR, no, Jehovah is a reasonable choice of vowels [17:00] kingoffrance and which bible is in federal code that all the us presidents swear in on? [17:00] scientes and the correct consonents [17:01] scientes (V and W are not distinguished) [17:02] MinceR i guess i'll just use "the god whose dumbass followers forgot the name of" [17:02] scientes but that isn't true [17:02] MinceR much more specific [17:02] scientes they write it down [17:02] MinceR they wrote part of it down [17:02] MinceR and the rest they forgot [17:02] scientes it is just when they recite it, they do not say it, because they are afraid of G-d [17:02] scientes MinceR, no, the whole language does not write vowels [17:02] scientes like Arabic [17:03] scientes and go try telling Arabic speakers they are stupid [17:03] MinceR most of them are, since they're humans :> [17:03] scientes it is pretty simple, they do not say God's sacred name because they are afraid of god [17:04] MinceR they invented a crazy monster for a god [17:04] scientes it is Exodus 6:2 or abouts [17:04] MinceR and then they're selling that character as the pinnacle of goodness [17:04] MinceR because they never had any understanding of what goodness is [17:04] scientes where God goes "this is my special name---I appeared before to Abraham, Issac, and Jacob, but did not reveal my sacred name to them" [17:05] kingoffrance except thats the devil not "god" [17:05] kingoffrance old test is obsolete for a reason [17:05] MinceR even their devil is a better character [17:06] scientes what devil? [17:06] MinceR the one abrahamics invented [17:08] scientes MinceR, this one? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangolin [17:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Pangolin - Wikipedia [17:08] MinceR lol [17:09] schestowitz [16:56] scientes: jews shouldn't have turned the name of their god into a taboo and then they'd still know what that god is called [17:09] schestowitz I think they're OK writing it, but not saying it [17:09] scientes ^^^^seee [17:09] schestowitz Some never saw their spouse naked [17:09] schestowitz religion is a mental condition [17:10] scientes they just cut a hole in the sheet [17:10] schestowitz esp. in higher doses [17:10] scientes schestowitz, so is modern life, esp. in higher doses [17:10] schestowitz :-3 [17:10] MinceR 16 180945 < schestowitz> I think they're OK writing it, but not saying it [17:11] MinceR maybe because they can't write it :> [17:11] scientes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Prince_of_Wales_Pangolin_Armour.jpg [17:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | File:Prince of Wales Pangolin Armour.jpg - Wikipedia [17:11] scientes ^^^most bad-ass armor ever [17:12] MinceR not even power armor [17:12] scientes MinceR, dude, its made from the scales of the devil [17:13] MinceR not even dragon scales [17:25] schestowitz are these from real pangolins? :( [17:33] MinceR (audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/24/7ad630dc4d3c4862.mp4 [17:34] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: Supposedly, Fallout and The Elder Scrolls are set in the same universe. [17:34] DaemonFC[m] There are definitely also spacefaring extraterrestrials in the Fallout universe. [17:35] MinceR :) [17:35] DaemonFC[m] The Mothership Zeta aliens have been watching alt-world Earth for at least several hundred years prior to Fallout 3. [17:36] DaemonFC[m] When you get abducted and break out of their holding cell, you come across people from the US military pre-war and a Samurai from Japan in the mid 1500s. [17:37] DaemonFC[m] He speaks Japanese, of course, but it's mostly complaints that he has no idea what you're saying because he's never heard English and that the aliens took his katana sword and he is extremely pissed off and wants it back so he can kill them with it. [17:39] DaemonFC[m] One of the three pre-war American soldiers has four theories about what the aliens are up to. [17:40] *birkoff has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [17:40] DaemonFC[m] And it's story plots lifted from Independence Day, Star Trek, Mars Attacks, and Invasion of the Body Snatchers. [17:42] DaemonFC[m] His Body Snatchers theory is exactly what The Institute does in Fallout 4, when it replaces officials with synthetic humans in order to have spies in various settlements and factions. [17:46] DaemonFC[m] Along with being disappointed by the game play mechanics of Fallout 4, I was also displeased with the faction choices. [17:47] DaemonFC[m] The Brotherhood of Steel west coast is more like the Enclave from Fallout 3. [17:48] MinceR (audio) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/24/da4b452b53d8ae9d.mp4 [17:48] DaemonFC[m] And the only other advanced faction is The Institute, which, iirc, you can either destroy to help synths escape or help, and they would remain enslaved sentients, but The Institute is the only faction with any interest or capability of reclaiming the surface and not engaging in mass murder against the wasteland inhabitants. [17:50] DaemonFC[m] I think I did the Institute ending on my playthrough of Fallout 4 because I didn't see a better alternative. The other options are basically helping the Nazis or some people who mean well but will never progress past wasteland occupants living in ruins. [17:52] DaemonFC[m] New Vegas kind of has three very distinct options. There's the fascist slave army that crucifies people (Caesar's Legion), the New California Republic (which resembles a sort of Restored United States from before the war caused it to become incredibly corrupt), or an "Independent Vegas" ending that doesn't really leave the political situation between the NCR and Legion resolved. [17:53] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: I think it very consciously draws from The Postman. [17:53] DaemonFC[m] I mean, come on, Caesar's Legion instead of the Holnists, The Courier (the postman), and the NCR (Restored USA). [17:54] MinceR National Cash Register? [17:54] DaemonFC[m] The New California Republic seems to be advancing technologically. [17:54] DaemonFC[m] They've developed a crude understanding of power armor and operate Vertibirds. [17:55] DaemonFC[m] The Legion is what you'd ally yourself with if you were doing a playthrough as an evil character. [17:56] DaemonFC[m] There's actually more than three endings depending on what you did in the game. [17:57] DaemonFC[m] For example, if you overthrow House and do Independent Vegas before upgrading the Securitrons from police to soldier, then the game ends and the narrator says that the Mark I Securitrons had a difficult time maintaining any sort of order and things got much worse before they started to stabilize again. [17:58] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: I really dislike Mr. House, honestly. [17:58] MinceR i don't know a lot about fallout [17:59] DaemonFC[m] I haven't ever killed him on a playthrough because I think it's more fitting to just keep his 300 year old body hooked up to life support without the ability to control anything with his neural interface. [17:59] DaemonFC[m] He just dangles there for probably another hundred years while machines keep him from dying. [17:59] DaemonFC[m] All he can do is stare at the door. ● Dec 16 [18:01] *birkoff (birkoff@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-bofehgxgodqjrdtj) has joined #techrights [18:01] DaemonFC[m] It's probably the most evil way of dealing with House. Lilly says it was too cruel and the NCR suggests they'll go there and pull the plug to make sure nobody ever hooks him back up, but they never do. [18:02] DaemonFC[m] He saved Vegas with an anti-ICBM system (which wasn't fully functional, but was enough to stop 56/65 missiles from hitting the Mojave area. [18:02] DaemonFC[m] But he did it so he could lord over the area and eventually upgrade his Securitrons and go looking for new territory to conquer. [18:03] DaemonFC[m] I think leaving him dangling there is a fitting punishment for trying to be dictator with expansionist goals and for failing to offer his anti-missile technology to the government before the nukes hit. [18:04] DaemonFC[m] So in a way, he kind of "saved" Vegas and deliberately let everything else burn. [18:05] DaemonFC[m] So narcissistic billionaire who let millions die so they could rule the post-apocalypse. I was reading other people's takes on House and nobody else seems to have that view after watching the storyline, at least on Reddit. [18:07] DaemonFC[m] He even gloats about how he had the superior intellect to see it all coming and cheat death indefinitely. [18:07] DaemonFC[m] All the billions of dollars he spent to set everything up. [18:09] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: The whole game universe is an exercise in moral relativism. [18:10] DaemonFC[m] If you listen to the backstory, it's pretty clear that in the Sino-American War, the Chinese started it, but the United States didn't just drive them out and break their ability to make war. It tried to invade and takeover mainland China, and the ICBM launches were a last resort that China didn't really want to do. [18:11] DaemonFC[m] The Power Armor is the superweapon that made it impossible for the US military to pull off an invasion while being overwhelmed by numbers. [18:11] DaemonFC[m] *possible [18:12] DaemonFC[m] The funniest thing about New Vegas is that even after you have power armor and a minigun, freeside thugs armed with a baseball bat or a switchblade still try to attack. [18:13] MinceR most videogames with combat are like that [18:15] DaemonFC[m] The weakspot of the game is that there aren't the sort of random encounters you might get in some of the other ones. [18:15] DaemonFC[m] It's pretty clear where each kind of enemy spawns at. [18:16] MinceR it happens even in games that don't spawn enemies after the level started [18:16] schestowitz Ariadne: congrats on the two bugfix releases [18:16] DaemonFC[m] The miniguns are always my favorite weapon. [18:16] MinceR you can beat the boss of one episode and lesser monsters will still happily attack you in the next :> [18:16] DaemonFC[m] As long as you can stock up on 5 mm bullets (especially armor piercing), you don't have to be terribly accurate with it. [18:18] DaemonFC[m] For some reason, the game offers you a lot of hollow point 5 mm even though those do almost nothing to heavily armored players or deathclaws. [18:19] DaemonFC[m] They do more damage to unarmored opponents, but unless you're trying to clear out a vault full of insects or something there's just not much use for them. [18:22] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: I do not really understand the psychology of Trump voters continuing to insist he'll be around after January. [18:23] DaemonFC[m] They're setting themselves up to be knocked down a lot harder and he only has a month left. [18:23] DaemonFC[m] All so that they can live in a fantasy world for another 34 days. [18:23] schestowitz even Putin congratulates Biden [18:23] schestowitz even Moscow Mitch says to Senators, stand down [18:23] schestowitz cults are dangerousa [18:24] schestowitz and this is a dangerous cult [18:24] MinceR they're stupid, of course they engage in self-harming behavior [18:24] schestowitz see qanon [18:24] schestowitz total loonies [18:24] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, Mitch knows that it will be an embarrassing spectacle that they can't win and that it will paint the entire party openly as incredibly sore losers. [18:24] DaemonFC[m] And few people like incredibly sore losers. [18:24] schestowitz that would not change what they are [18:24] DaemonFC[m] That's how you lose seats next election. [18:24] schestowitz or perception of them [18:24] schestowitz they did this for 50 months [18:24] schestowitz or 49 [18:25] schestowitz nazi enablers all the way [18:25] schestowitz but with different wording, symbols, labels [18:25] DaemonFC[m] The Cult of Trump seems to be interested in listening to a fresh variation of him grousing over Twitter from his toilet about his loss each day. [18:25] DaemonFC[m] But for how long? Another 4 years? [18:26] DaemonFC[m] Then my mom was panicking that there would be a trucker strike because a few of them were calling for one in late November to protest Trump losing the election. [18:26] DaemonFC[m] And then the strike never did happen. [18:27] DaemonFC[m] The fact that Facebook doesn't do anything to silence threats against the public like that shows who the enemy of the American public is. [18:28] schestowitz NEWS #CommonDreams # New 'Trump Lame Duck Temper Tantrum' Tracker Will Document Final Gasps of Nation's Infantile Outgoing President https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/12/15/new-trump-lame-duck-temper-tantrum-tracker-will-document-final-gasps-nations [18:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | New 'Trump Lame Duck Temper Tantrum' Tracker Will Document Final Gasps of Nation's Infantile Outgoing President | Common Dreams News [18:28] DaemonFC[m] I told her, "So, what you're saying is that the far-right is so sore about Trump losing that they'll strike and then 75 million people who voted for Trump won't be able to buy food either? Nice people.". [18:29] DaemonFC[m] Oh, a lot of my family is either white trash or white trash with money. [18:29] DaemonFC[m] Ranting and raving about immigrants while everyone they know is in court or prison every week about something. [18:30] DaemonFC[m] But that's different. [18:30] DaemonFC[m] There's no cost to the crime when it's a white citizen, you know? [18:30] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [18:30] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [18:30] DaemonFC[m] They might even get one of them there fair trials, or at least the closest thing to one our system still offers. :) [18:31] DaemonFC[m] The jury taking a few hours to pretend there's something to deliberate. [18:31] DaemonFC[m] Instructions from the judge to be ignored. [18:31] DaemonFC[m] A defense attorney that isn't drunk in court. [18:31] DaemonFC[m] All of these things can be yours if you're the right color! [18:34] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Still stigmatized for being on psychiatric medicine. I still don't make any attempt to cover it up. [18:35] DaemonFC[m] For some reason, people who are a lot more unhinged than I ever was off my meds think that there's nothing wrong with them because they don't take medication, even when it's obvious that they could use some. Hell, more than some. [18:37] DaemonFC[m] I am lucid enough to realize what was/is happening to me. People tend to assume you aren't, that you don't understand. [18:38] DaemonFC[m] I think that some people don't bother fighting it when they're going through an episode of disorganized thinking, delusions of being persecuted, paranoia, anxiety. [18:40] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: After the Progressive Tax flopped in Illinois the governor found $711 million in the budget hat he can apparently just cut without new law. [18:40] DaemonFC[m] Wouldn't you know it? Most people won't even notice. [18:40] DaemonFC[m] He's going through the motions of making it sound like the world is about to end or something because they'll have to prioritize things like, who goes to prison. [18:40] DaemonFC[m] How awful. [18:41] DaemonFC[m] It'll just have to be down to the worst of the worst. Almost like prison is supposed to, hey wait a minute! [18:41] DaemonFC[m] :) [18:46] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: NEWS #TruthOut #crazy Stephen Miller: Trump Can Still Win With Alternate #ElectoralCollege Electors https://truthout.org/articles/stephen-miller-trump-can-still-win-with-alternate-electoral-college-electors/ [18:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Stephen Miller: Trump Can Still Win With Alternate Electoral College Electors [18:47] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, I saw a video of Trump "alternate electors" trying to deliver their fake votes to the Michigan statehouse. [18:47] DaemonFC[m] Where they were told to leave. [18:49] DaemonFC[m] Then they asked a police officer there to deliver the "votes" to the state Senate, and he refused. [18:49] DaemonFC[m] This has really jumped the shark. [18:51] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: If a state submits multiple electors, Congress can disqualify them all or hold a vote on what to do about it, but no state has accepted any of these fake electors, nor submitted their fake votes. [18:55] DaemonFC[m] There's also precisely zero chance that Mitch McConnell would have set himself up for a huge embarrassment by congratulating Joe Biden from the Senate floor if there was a possibility of this being reversed. [18:58] *tdemin_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) ● Dec 16 [19:00] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [19:00] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [19:09] CrystalMath it can be reversed if there truly was election fraud and it gets proven conclusively [19:10] CrystalMath but idk if that is the case [19:10] CrystalMath i think there was election fraud [19:10] CrystalMath whatever happens, voting by mail must be abolished, that's still my opinion [19:10] MinceR https://assets.amuniversal.com/089043f08b5e0137ad56005056a9545d ( https://dilbert.com/strip/2019-09-01 ) [19:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Boss Makes Document Suggestions - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2019-09-01 | Dilbert by Scott Adams [19:10] DaemonFC[m] Utah has been doing mail-only for years. [19:11] DaemonFC[m] I think more states will go mail-only eventually. [19:11] CrystalMath https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/julian-assange-formally-requested-pardon-president-donald-trump/ [19:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thegatewaypundit.com | Julian Assange Has Formally Requested a Pardon From President Donald Trump [19:11] MinceR there was fraud but it failed [19:11] DaemonFC[m] Most states have been financially ruined by Trump's pandemic recession. [19:11] MinceR get over it [19:11] CrystalMath DaemonFC[m]: i think that that's a disaster [19:11] DaemonFC[m] And they ought to be looking for ways to save every last penny before they hit a badly damaged economy with more taxes. [19:12] CrystalMath states have been financially ruined by their own lockdowns [19:12] CrystalMath Trump had nothing to do with it, and wasn't even asked about the pandemic [19:12] CrystalMath he had no say in it [19:12] DaemonFC[m] They would have been worse off without it. [19:12] DaemonFC[m] The virus would have decimated them and there'd be too many people sick at once to run the economy anyway. [19:12] CrystalMath okay but don't call it "Trump's pandemic recession" if Trump had nothing to do with it [19:12] MinceR done [19:13] DaemonFC[m] People would still be terrified by what was going on and slow down spending and avoid going out too much. [19:13] MinceR trump had plenty to do with it [19:13] DaemonFC[m] So we'd have at least similar damage with or without the state saying what to do. [19:13] CrystalMath Trump closed the border [19:13] DaemonFC[m] Probably worse. [19:13] CrystalMath even that was too much [19:13] MinceR trump claimed the virus was a hoax [19:13] DaemonFC[m] After he let the virus in, in bulk. Sure. [19:13] CrystalMath when? [19:13] MinceR he claimed it will just go away [19:13] CrystalMath yes he claimed it will go away [19:13] CrystalMath it will, eventually :P [19:13] MinceR he claimed hydroxychloroquine will just cure it [19:13] CrystalMath it was promising [19:13] MinceR he claimed injecting bleach will just cure it [19:13] DaemonFC[m] He brought in thousands of infected people and then waited for other countries to start not letting Americans in to claim he closed the border. [19:14] DaemonFC[m] :) [19:14] MinceR he did everything he could to cripple the USA's management of the plague [19:14] CrystalMath MinceR: no he never said that [19:14] DaemonFC[m] It was actually Canada and Mexico who told us "STAY OUT!". [19:14] DaemonFC[m] And then Trump hijacked that to make it look like he did something. [19:15] DaemonFC[m] Even after Canada banned Americans from coming in, people started lying and saying they were driving to Alaska. [19:15] CrystalMath that's not Trump's fault [19:15] DaemonFC[m] Then the cops in Canada would find them on vacation in Canada hiking or something. [19:15] CrystalMath at least 40% of the people of america don't believe covid is real [19:16] CrystalMath i'm quite sure that at least 60% actually believes it's not a big deal, real or not [19:17] MinceR https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2020/10/politics/covid-disappearing-trump-comment-tracker/ [19:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-edition.cnn.com | All of the times President Trump said Covid-19 will disappear [19:17] CrystalMath he never said when :P [19:17] CrystalMath personally i think it's great, what he was saying, because [19:17] MinceR if he believed it would take years, then his statements make even less sense in that context [19:18] CrystalMath it's nice for someone to calm the people down [19:18] CrystalMath the media just want everyone to be scared and depressed [19:18] MinceR yeah, because you wanted SARS-CoV-2 to kill as many uhmericans as possible [19:18] CrystalMath not really [19:18] MinceR and cheeto hitler helped that happen [19:19] CrystalMath i said that SARS-CoV-2 can't really be an instrument of depopulation because it doesn't kill enough [19:19] CrystalMath and it can't [19:20] MinceR sensible people wanted the people to reduce its R_eff [19:21] MinceR twitler riled up mobs to increase it instead [19:21] CrystalMath increasing it is also a way to end the pandemic [19:21] *birkoff has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [19:21] CrystalMath once the virus has infected everyone, it can't infect anyone [19:21] MinceR yeah, exterminating the human species would also end the pandemic [19:22] MinceR wrong, it appears that it might be able to infect people who already had it before [19:22] CrystalMath it can't exterminate the human species, though [19:22] MinceR wrong again [19:22] CrystalMath not immediately after, though [19:22] CrystalMath antibodies do form [19:22] MinceR not only can it (apparently) reinfect people, it can also mutate [19:22] MinceR the immune system might forget it in half a year [19:22] CrystalMath if antibodies can't form, the infection wouldn't even end [19:23] CrystalMath but again, i reiterate that it can't exterminate the human species [19:23] MinceR and while ratlickers do everything they can to spread every strain, it can keep mutating in them [19:23] CrystalMath there is no way [19:23] CrystalMath that it could exterminate the human race [19:23] MinceR ah yes, the classic repeating tactic [19:23] CrystalMath it is correct [19:23] MinceR it worked for cheeto hitler so why wouldn't it work for you? [19:24] CrystalMath there is absolutely no conceivable scenario in which SARS-CoV-2 exterminates the human race [19:24] MinceR there at least two [19:24] MinceR 1: it keeps reinfecting people until it kills them [19:24] DaemonFC[m] Trump is a petty weak and indecisive guy on most things. [19:24] DaemonFC[m] And that got a million Americans killed. [19:24] DaemonFC[m] Before this is over, a million Americans. [19:24] MinceR 2: it mutates into something that has at least the same R_0 and R_eff but also is far more fatal [19:24] CrystalMath 1) bullcrap - most reinfectees don't get a serious form of the disease, the death rate remains extremely low [19:24] DaemonFC[m] Didn't have to be 1/10th that many. [19:25] MinceR DaemonFC[m]: he did manage to appoint a bunch of lobbyists in charge of the areas they wanted to destroy [19:25] CrystalMath 2) bullcrap - viruses that have such a high lethality would never spread as much; it's not in the interest of the virus to kill its host [19:25] MinceR and a bunch of christian fundamentalist fascist supreme court justices [19:25] MinceR 2. go tell that to ebola [19:25] CrystalMath ebola spreads really poorly [19:26] MinceR yeah, well, SARS-CoV-2 doesn't [19:26] CrystalMath that's because it's mostly safe and compatible [19:26] CrystalMath with human cells [19:26] CrystalMath there's only one virus that i know of that doesn't follow this rule, and that's rabies [19:26] MinceR no, it's also because of how it spreads [19:27] MinceR a mutant version of it could cause slight symptoms for a while, spread effectively, and then kill with a high death rate [19:27] CrystalMath rabies could exterminate the human race, in theory, if there was no vaccine for it and somehow it got into a lot of people in a lot of countries at once [19:27] CrystalMath MinceR: that's a misunderstanding of how it works [19:27] CrystalMath MinceR: most asymptomatic people don't spread it as effectively [19:28] CrystalMath as those with symptoms [19:28] MinceR slight symptoms != asymptomatic [19:28] vZS1 > and which bible is in federal code that all the us presidents swear in on? [19:28] CrystalMath MinceR: how do you propose that it would cause sudden death later on? [19:28] vZS1 I think Obama used Lincoln's bible [19:29] CrystalMath MinceR: can you name even one virus that does this? [19:29] MinceR for example, by spreading to other organs where it does more damage [19:29] CrystalMath MinceR: RNA viruses don't change their tropism generationally like DNA viruses do [19:30] CrystalMath the first virion you get has the same tropism as the last one you eradicate [19:30] CrystalMath the "spread to organs" you're referring to is an inflammation process [19:30] MinceR afaik SARS-CoV-2 already causes ACE2 to be upregulated in cells that didn't express it much [19:30] CrystalMath which either goes awry, or doesn't [19:30] CrystalMath from what we know, every coronavirus ever can cause it to go awry [19:31] CrystalMath even Duvinacovirus (229E) [19:31] MinceR no, i'm referring to a process where virions are produced in cells in one particular organ, spread to cells in other organs via the bloodstream, and affect the operation of those cells [19:32] CrystalMath virions are always produced in any ifnection [19:32] CrystalMath *infection [19:32] CrystalMath it doesn't mean that will end badly [19:33] CrystalMath most of the cell destruction we see with coronaviruses comes from catechin-mediated immune system responses [19:35] CrystalMath considering the death rate is less than 1%, that antibodies can last up to 10 months (local research in my country showed this), that very serious cases are easy to detect (and thus dangerous mutations won't spread as much) [19:35] CrystalMath i would say that there is no way that SARS-CoV-2 exterminates the entire human race [19:36] CrystalMath but i never would have thought that someone believes otherwise [19:36] CrystalMath unless really brainwashed by the media.... i mean some people literally believe that millions of americans died of COVID-19 [19:36] MinceR everyone who disagrees with me about anything has obviously been brainwashed by the media [19:37] *birkoff (birkoff@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-dupyxzdekwlbdfop) has joined #techrights [19:37] CrystalMath i really don't think it's a controversial statement to say that SARS-CoV-2 can't exterminate the entire human race [19:37] CrystalMath we've seen many people totally immune to it [19:37] CrystalMath all you need is a thousand to repopulate the planet eventually [19:38] MinceR and those people are immortal and also totally immune to all potential mutations of it [19:38] CrystalMath the plague couldn't do it [19:38] CrystalMath measles couldn't do it [19:38] MinceR so let's keep trying [19:38] CrystalMath and they're way more dangerous than COVID-19 [19:39] CrystalMath all those colds never mutated into precisely some statistically highly improbable evil virus that spreads perfectly and kills absolutely [19:39] MinceR also, somebody go tell the uhmericans to calm the fuck down already, they had to reach 2000000 deaths from COVID-19 by 2020-12-16 and they're only at 312678, so they're now safe forever [19:39] CrystalMath because those things don't happen [19:39] CrystalMath even if they're not 100% impossible [19:39] MinceR yes, nothing can ever possibly happen, until it happens anyway [19:39] CrystalMath it's more likely for every human to quantum tunnel into the center of the earth [19:39] MinceR for example, the heat death of the universe can't ever happen because it hasn't happened yet [19:40] CrystalMath that CAN happen too you know [19:40] CrystalMath PANIC! [19:40] CrystalMath every day, every person has a 1:30000 odds of dying [19:40] CrystalMath that's way higher than either of those things [19:40] CrystalMath and you're still alive [19:40] MinceR well, if PANIC causes people to socially distance and otherwise mitigate the spread of infection, then yes, PANIC [19:40] CrystalMath NO [19:40] CrystalMath don't panic [19:40] CrystalMath be normal, accept risks [19:40] CrystalMath accept that your life is a transient blip in the history of the universe [19:41] CrystalMath it _WILL_ end [19:41] *MinceR PANICs by calmly putting on a respirator and keeping a distance from random humans [19:41] CrystalMath you will not survive, nor will i, nor will ANYONE [19:41] MinceR also accept that life is an even more transient blip for your elderly loved ones [19:41] MinceR cough on them hourly [19:41] MinceR not doing so is PANICking [19:41] CrystalMath your elderly loved ones are gonna die, and no matter how many years that takes, it will always be too soon for you [19:41] CrystalMath because that's your bias [19:42] MinceR and it will always be my fault [19:42] CrystalMath no, it will never be anyone's fault.... well unless some intent to murder was present in someone [19:43] MinceR also, you're going to die someday so why not kill yourself right now? there's no difference. [19:43] CrystalMath also, what i said about the blip [19:43] CrystalMath is the entire life of someone [19:43] MinceR other people are going to die someday so why not go and kill all of them right now? there's no difference. [19:43] CrystalMath so old people have a larger blip [19:43] CrystalMath not a shorter blip [19:43] CrystalMath the shortest blips are dying children [19:44] CrystalMath a 90yo dying is a longer blip [19:44] CrystalMath because the total life was 90 years [19:44] CrystalMath but 90 years is a short time [19:44] MinceR old people dying of COVID-19 at the age of 65 are shorter blips than the same people dying at the age of 90 [19:45] CrystalMath the chance of dying at 65 is way less than dying at 90 [19:45] MinceR oh, also, washing your hands is PANIC, so you'd better live in filth and show your virtue [19:45] MinceR not if you do something about it! [19:45] CrystalMath well no, because... even if i somehow made the average lifespan shorter [19:45] *birkoff has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [19:45] CrystalMath that could only make the chance of dying at 90yo N/A [19:46] CrystalMath for as long as it exists as a number [19:46] CrystalMath it will be lower than 65 [19:46] CrystalMath because that's just how things work, people get worse and worse until they die [19:46] CrystalMath you can never make a 90yo healthier on average than a 65yo [19:46] CrystalMath (on average) [19:46] MinceR if you kept killing everyone at their 65th birthday, that would indeed make people more likely to die at 65 years of age than at 90 [19:47] CrystalMath only for a short time, as soon there would be no 90yos left [19:47] CrystalMath and so the chance of death at 90yo would become N/A [19:48] MinceR there would eventually be 0 people dying at 90, and >0 dying at 65 [19:48] MinceR and the probability of any particular person dying at 90 would become 0 [19:49] CrystalMath yes but there would be no survivors at 90 [19:49] CrystalMath so i would put that statistic as N/A [19:49] CrystalMath it's more accurate [19:49] MinceR depends on how it's phrased [19:49] CrystalMath right now there's no survivors at 200 [19:49] CrystalMath and no deaths at age 200 [19:49] CrystalMath does that mean that if you somehow live to be 150 [19:50] CrystalMath you'll make it to 200 no problem? [19:50] MinceR and the probability that i will be 200 years old when i die is also pretty damn close to 0 [19:50] MinceR it would be hard to predict [19:50] MinceR after all, what would make me live to be 150? [19:50] CrystalMath so you understand that you don't really have that much time left [19:50] MinceR yes, and humanity in general is making serious efforts to make my remaining time both short and painful [19:51] CrystalMath after all, 100 years passes quickly [19:51] CrystalMath so why do you want to live all that time, worrying about what will get you? [19:51] CrystalMath why not be happy with what you do have [19:51] CrystalMath moderation [19:51] CrystalMath "i don't even need 50 years, just let me be happy and free" [19:52] CrystalMath why don't we have more people thinking that way? [19:52] MinceR i don't [19:52] MinceR though i'm unsure [19:52] MinceR maybe things will indeed get better and it will be worth becoming immortal [19:53] CrystalMath i don't think the human brain is fit to be like that [19:53] MinceR i'm pretty sure i don't want to have my lung capacity severely decreased and live with that for decades because some asshole thought it was "hip" and "cool" to spread pathogens, though [19:53] CrystalMath i think the people who think that it is think way too highly of themselves [19:53] CrystalMath i used to wish to be a mind forever voyaging [19:53] CrystalMath until i realized what i really am [19:53] CrystalMath an animal [19:53] MinceR but now you're perfect! [19:54] MinceR and why couldn't the mind of an animal be forever voyaging? [19:54] CrystalMath because it's pretty poor and limited [19:54] CrystalMath it can't really think up that many things [19:54] CrystalMath it can't really understand more than some limit [19:54] MinceR sucks to be you, i guess [19:54] MinceR though all of those things seem fixable [19:55] CrystalMath there's a fixed amount of neurons [19:55] CrystalMath and AI is currently far below it [19:55] CrystalMath several orders of magnitude [19:55] CrystalMath even for the deepest of DNNs [19:56] CrystalMath i think i'm just being realistic when i say that there's no way i deserve eternal life [19:56] CrystalMath not self-hating [19:56] CrystalMath i think i've just transcended human arrogance [19:56] MinceR we could improve our minds with implants or by moving them to a better platform [19:56] CrystalMath we still haven't managed to give blind people vision [19:57] CrystalMath proper vision [19:57] MinceR ergo it is impossible [19:57] CrystalMath no i just mean, it's science fictin [19:57] CrystalMath *fiction [19:57] CrystalMath and you have no idea how many problems will arise [19:57] MinceR what does that mean? [19:57] MinceR a different way to say "it is impossible"? [19:57] CrystalMath it's not impossible but you have no idea what the consequences are [19:57] CrystalMath maybe you wouldn't be you anymore [19:58] MinceR if i thought i was limited and undeserving of immortality, would i want to be me forever? [19:58] CrystalMath it's too far away to know the consequences and the exact method it would be achieved [19:58] CrystalMath knowing that you're limited and undeserving of immortality, and wanting to be you still, is called acceptance [19:59] CrystalMath that's what i have, i accept that i'm limited and undeserving of immortality ● Dec 16 [20:00] MinceR ah, so not improving yourself is called "acceptance" [20:00] MinceR "why don't you learn anything anymore?" "acceptance." [20:00] CrystalMath it's not that i don't learn anything aymore [20:00] CrystalMath it's that i don't dream anymore [20:00] DaemonFC[m] It's called religion. [20:00] DaemonFC[m] Not improving yourself is called religion. [20:01] CrystalMath DaemonFC[m]: i think most religions are again human arrogance [20:01] CrystalMath that god is in the likeness of a human, that god wants to put good people in heaven, that's extremely blatant human arrogance [20:01] DaemonFC[m] You can live in ignorance and war on each other. Just gets you to heaven faster. [20:01] CrystalMath science fiction is more sophisticated human arrogance [20:01] CrystalMath nihilism is the absence of human arrogance [20:01] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [20:02] DaemonFC[m] "Enough about the bible. We can save the science fiction reading for later." -George Carlin [20:02] MinceR that's an insult to science fiction [20:02] DaemonFC[m] I could have told mom she wouldn't have liked him that time she made Gonad leave one of his performances. [20:02] CrystalMath the bible isn't as sophisticated as modern scifi :P [20:02] CrystalMath it's very blatant [20:02] MinceR scifi implies an element of science [20:02] MinceR the bible has none of that [20:02] CrystalMath it has elements of 5,000-year old science [20:03] CrystalMath like the idea that sacrifices bring good luck, by some balance theory [20:03] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, just like how 19th century science fiction is ridiculous when you read it today. [20:03] MinceR it's just an extremely poorly written fable with tons of inconsistency that has been poorly edited by a bunch of people and then overrated by others [20:03] CrystalMath people believed that as science, a long time ago [20:03] MinceR like the idea that pi is equal to 3.0 [20:04] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: Yes, Fallout canon is less inconsistent than the bible. [20:04] MinceR or the idea that the Earth is flat and has 4 corners [20:04] DaemonFC[m] People should at least give it that. [20:04] MinceR DaemonFC[m]: not much of an achievement [20:04] CrystalMath a long time ago it was scientific to believe that everything had an equal parallel opposite, and that the earth might be two attached spheres (only 3,000 years ago) [20:04] MinceR or the idea that animals exist because they were created by some psychotic being and the first female human was created both before and after the first nonhuman animal [20:04] CrystalMath some believed that alternatively it was flat but had two sides, or even flat with one side [20:05] MinceR or 4 cubes [20:05] DaemonFC[m] The demise of the machines perk was a nice touch though. [20:06] MinceR nature's harmonic simultaneous 4-day time cube [20:06] DaemonFC[m] I guess someone was thinking about that scene in T3 where the T-800 grabbed the minigun off the T-1 and destroyed the other T-1 with it. [20:06] CrystalMath i believe the earth is mostly spherical, but that it's acceptable to render it as an icosahedron for computing resource-sparing reasons [20:06] DaemonFC[m] The sentry robots that patrol abandoned US Army bases in Fallout are very similar to the T-1 Terminator. [20:07] DaemonFC[m] I'm not quite sure why the military would have the Protectron though. Those are a joke. [20:07] CrystalMath similarly, pi = 3 is very good as you can compute it with just a shift and an add [20:08] CrystalMath but pi = 4 is even better (just shift left by 2 bits) [20:08] MinceR pi = 0 is even better [20:08] DaemonFC[m] In fact, the Sentry Bots are pretty much a straight up rip off of the T-1, layout and everything, and they have an exposed combat sensor module that completely disorients them if you hit it. [20:08] MinceR just zero all the bits [20:08] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [20:08] DaemonFC[m] Which was a weakness of the Terminator from the T-1 to the T-600 in the Salvation timeline. [20:08] MinceR DaemonFC[m]: does it detect any combats in progress? :> [20:09] *birkoff (birkoff@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-yvvytbspgxcsihdm) has joined #techrights [20:09] DaemonFC[m] https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Sentry_bot_(Fallout_4) [20:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fallout.fandom.com | Sentry bot (Fallout 4) | Fallout Wiki | Fandom [20:09] DaemonFC[m] https://terminator.fandom.com/wiki/T-1 [20:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-terminator.fandom.com | T-1 | Terminator Wiki | Fandom [20:11] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: One thing I did enjoy in Fallout 4 was there was an advanced Sentry Bot prototype that was really damned hard to kill and you can reprogram it on a side quest and use it to clear bandits out of nearby areas. 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Seems it's only barely mentioned, but dissolved itself and fell into a civil war over resources before the bombs fell. [21:05] DaemonFC[m] Most sci-fi timelines end up with the European Union falling apart. [21:05] MinceR with the EPP, you don't need sci-fi to expect the EU to fall apart [21:06] DaemonFC[m] Star Trek Deep Space Nine mentioned it in a 1993 episode covering the in-universe 2022. [21:06] MinceR (or "conservatives" in general) [21:06] DaemonFC[m] The EU destabilized due to severe economic problems and political turmoil in the 2020s. [21:07] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: We finally have our first failed US state. And it's Illinois.... [21:07] MinceR i thought it was the federal one [21:07] DaemonFC[m] Bailouts from the Fed, "shared sacrifice" budget cuts that are all going to land on the poor. [21:08] DaemonFC[m] You notice how it's nothing that rich people need from the state that's going to be cut. [21:08] DaemonFC[m] Even though the rich duped the people who will be hurt by the cuts into voting down the progressive tax. [21:09] DaemonFC[m] The rich people need nothing from the state except police protection from their fan club when the unemployment fund bleeds out. And they'll get it. [21:18] *tr_guest|11547 (af247e16@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.175.36.126.22) has joined #techrights [21:18] *tr_guest|11547 has quit (Client Quit) [21:24] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Immigration sent me an email. [21:24] schestowitz xhmm [21:25] DaemonFC[m] It says prepare for the interview, they'll send us a letter stating when to go. [21:25] schestowitz exam [21:25] schestowitz oral exam [21:25] schestowitz 'interview' [21:34] DaemonFC[m] It's to make sure you're really married and to pry into your personal life however they want to. [21:35] DaemonFC[m] It wouldn't be the government if they didn't. [21:43] DaemonFC[m] I suppose I shouldn't be nervous. [21:46] DaemonFC[m] Thank god the federal courts threw out Trump's illegal policies on immigration. [21:47] DaemonFC[m] At least there's a better chance of being given a fair consideration now. [21:47] DaemonFC[m] Although why they're scheduling interviews in the middle of a cataclysmic resurgence of the Coronavirus.... [21:48] DaemonFC[m] That can't be good. ● Dec 16 [22:13] schestowitz https://techhq.com/2020/12/webex-cisco-communications-caht-online-meetings-multilingual-collaboration/ [22:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techhq.com | The collaborative work platform thats multilingual, smart, and unified: Cisco Webex [22:13] schestowitz "When technology first began to appear in our workplaces decades ago, the ideology behind the applications had its origins in developing software for early UNIX mainframes: do one thing, and do it well." [22:13] schestowitz And now they push malware [22:20] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [22:24] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [22:25] vZS1 It was simple by necessity [22:26] vZS1 And C was made to keep the OS portable; didn't have to constantly write architecture-specific assembly [22:26] vZS1 These companies don't know jack shit about the UNIX philosophy [22:27] vZS1 The OS was the development environment itself. Self-supporting. [22:27] vZS1 So mainframes and UNIX are oxymorons [22:29] vZS1 This is what happens when you let PR people write about history. [22:35] schestowitz Now we have one megapackage trying to do everything [22:35] schestowitz and more and more over time [22:37] DaemonFC[m] Windows Defender alerts that VLC's BitTorrent Streamer plugin is a Potentially Unwanted Application. [22:38] schestowitz and it does not fluf Windows itself? [22:39] schestowitz surely unwanted [22:39] schestowitz but imposed by OEMs [22:40] MinceR the oligarchy decided that you don't want something that could be used for filesharing. [22:42] schestowitz or communication http://techrights.org/2020/08/14/control-but-no-accountability/ [22:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | High-Level Criminals Associate Privacy With Crime Because They Want Privacy Only for Themselves (Control But No Accountability) | Techrights [22:42] schestowitz unless filtered and monitored by oligarchy [22:42] schestowitz so they can cancel and gag people [22:48] DaemonFC[m] The government wants to know everything. [22:48] DaemonFC[m] Not because they're necessarily interested at the time, but because they might be later. [22:49] DaemonFC[m] It's much more of a nuisance to have to stop and deal with individuals that they want to trump up charges against if they have to stop and figure out how to break into their specific setup. [22:50] DaemonFC[m] And even if the charges are real, when we had a few honest judges, one of them said "It should be a defendant's absolute right to shut up and make the state prove each accusation with no reasonable room for doubt.". [22:50] DaemonFC[m] But that's not what we have now. [22:51] DaemonFC[m] It's incomprehensible that being compelled to give up a decryption passphrase is not being forced to incriminate and testify against yourself. [22:53] DaemonFC[m] They didn't pass a new constitutional amendment. They just changed what the plain English meaning of protections from self-incrimination are to not apply to computer data. [22:53] DaemonFC[m] They can't tell you to tell them what's in you head, but they can tell you to tell them how to gather evidence against you, but only if it's on computer storage. [22:53] DaemonFC[m] And they'll absolutely never do anything worse than this. No sir. [22:55] MinceR see, the federal state has failed [22:55] MinceR it fails to uphold its own laws [22:55] DaemonFC[m] It should be immediate impeachment for those judges. [22:55] DaemonFC[m] Unfortunately, the only people who could are trying to pass SOPA and EARN IT. [22:55] MinceR it fails to operate its institutions in a way that those institutions do not go diametrically against their own alleged functions ● Dec 16 [23:02] *birkoff has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [23:03] MinceR https://assets.amuniversal.com/d4203cb0a4c70137b656005056a9545d ( https://dilbert.com/strip/2019-09-04 ) [23:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Company Pays Men More Than Women - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2019-09-04 | Dilbert by Scott Adams [23:22] *birkoff (birkoff@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-ggvduwjuvmzcrraz) has joined #techrights [23:22] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [23:34] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [23:39] smnthermes https://blog.gtk.org/2020/12/16/gtk-4-0/ [23:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.gtk.org | GTK 4.0 GTK Development Blog [23:39] schestowitz yup [23:39] schestowitz the bot should be back soon [23:40] schestowitz then we'll have news like this showing up [23:40] schestowitz reminds me to ask about ETA [23:40] MinceR can they outdo 3.x? (as in, making something that's even worse) [23:40] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [23:40] schestowitz is the site still on track to be back later this week? [23:41] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [23:57] *esaym153 (~esaym153@net153.net) has joined #techrights [23:57] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)