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XRevan86MinceR: That's ironic… they had one job…Jun 17 00:00
MinceRthe way the chocolate ration was increased?Jun 17 00:00
MinceRXRevan86: i know, right?Jun 17 00:00
MinceRoh, i forgot that they're also fond of monarchyJun 17 00:00
DaemonFC[m]There's nothing legitimate about this tax law.Jun 17 00:00
MinceRapparently the austrian school decided that monarchy was closer to anarchism than democracy isJun 17 00:00
DaemonFC[m]The Republicans played a pea and shell game that raises taxes on the middle class and makes it look like a cut.Jun 17 00:01
DaemonFC[m]Then hands the money to the rich.Jun 17 00:01
XRevan86MinceR: In a libertarian way it kinda isJun 17 00:01
MinceRactual libertarian or "republican" "libertarian"?Jun 17 00:01
DaemonFC[m]People were filing in to prepay their property taxes for the next year in Illinois so they could deduct them one last time at full value.Jun 17 00:01
XRevan86MinceR: Democracy begets bureaucracy, that stuff is complicated and annoying.Jun 17 00:01
MinceRdemocracy also reduces the power the state wields over the individualJun 17 00:02
XRevan86MinceR: Compare it to a simple state of minimal laws with just a dude on the throne. Can't get simpler than that.Jun 17 00:02
DaemonFC[m]Yep yep. Even at the local level, the Democrats are nasty here.Jun 17 00:02
MinceRif run correctly (which of course never happens), the government serves the people, while in the case of monarchy, the government is not even supposed or pretending to do soJun 17 00:02
MinceRyeah, i know the sortJun 17 00:03
MinceR"small government" that enforces religious rules :>Jun 17 00:03
MinceRand polices people's bedroomsJun 17 00:03
DaemonFC[m]They didn't want to face a Libertarian on the ballot for Fox Lake, IL council, so they had the cops go cite him for having a car parked on his lawn and then "forgot" to notify him.Jun 17 00:03
DaemonFC[m]Suddenly, he owes $46,000 to the city and can't get on the ballot.Jun 17 00:03
DaemonFC[m]The point here is that the people who run the city make sure it stays that way, and they'll do corrupt shit and nobody hears about it because it's a small town.Jun 17 00:04
XRevan86MinceR: I'm just toying with the concept. More closer to reality, the issue of simple absolute monarchies is that they do not ensure bourgeois safety.Jun 17 00:05
MinceRschestowitz: we should also ban the word "shell", as in wars, tanks fire shells and kill people, causing lots of griefJun 17 00:05
DaemonFC[m]The message is that everyone has a "car parked on the lawn" that the city will become interested in if you oppose anyone on the ballot.Jun 17 00:05
MinceRXRevan86: and the cornerstone of anarchism is to not ensure bourgeois safety?Jun 17 00:05
XRevan86MinceR: ancap is all about letting them defend their property on their own without any obstruction.Jun 17 00:06
DaemonFC[m]The country is flying apart at the hinges and all Trump does is lie about the statistics and duct tape everything with Socialism for the rich.Jun 17 00:06
DaemonFC[m]His voters are far too stupid to understand that this is not good for them.Jun 17 00:07
DaemonFC[m]So he gets away with it, maybe for another 4 years too.Jun 17 00:07
XRevan86MinceR: So good luck with lynching actually.Jun 17 00:07
DaemonFC[m]The reason this Tara Reade thing went away is because nobody fucking cares anymore.Jun 17 00:07
DaemonFC[m]They have bigger problems than what Biden may or may not have done in 1993 and they're not in the mood to listen to conspiracy theories that have no evidence whatsoever.Jun 17 00:08
DaemonFC[m]Biden got the Violence Against Women Act through Congress while Trump was raping 13 year old girls.Jun 17 00:08
MinceRXRevan86: that sword cuts both waysJun 17 00:08
DaemonFC[m]Trump will probably always get away with anything though.Jun 17 00:09
DaemonFC[m]When that victim sued him, his supporters sent her death threats and she ran to hide.Jun 17 00:09
XRevan86MinceR: The nonaggression principle is all about leaving them in peace too.Jun 17 00:09
MinceRbut not others?Jun 17 00:09
XRevan86MinceR: If you don't impose on their property, you should be fine.Jun 17 00:10
MinceRi suppose the fake "anarchists" would not interpret the bigotry they promote as "aggression"Jun 17 00:10
XRevan86Property is everything they can take though, so good luck with that too %).Jun 17 00:10
XRevan86MinceR: Aggression is property infringement.Jun 17 00:11
MinceRneither enforcing religious rules against people who asked for none of themJun 17 00:11
XRevan86Ancap is very property focused.Jun 17 00:12
MinceRseems more focused on "i just want to call myself an anarchist because i think it makes me cool and edgy"Jun 17 00:12
schestowitz[00:05] <MinceR> schestowitz: we should also ban the word "shell", as in wars, tanks fire shells and kill people, causing lots of griefJun 17 00:13
schestowitza terminal shellJun 17 00:13
XRevan86MinceR: Well, proper ones anyway. How that leads to fascism or monarchy – I don't know.Jun 17 00:13
schestowitz= a shell that knocks you over causing a fatalityJun 17 00:13
schestowitzI bash you not...Jun 17 00:13
XRevan86MinceR: But it does mean that you have no right to obstruct anyone's activities if they did something like fire a person for being gay. You can vote with your wallet or do something else equally worthless.Jun 17 00:15
XRevan86Don't know how wallets would look like in ancap. I owe you one's from capitalists or bitcoins?Jun 17 00:16
MinceRXRevan86: i haven't had the time or energy to dive into the relevant literature enough to find the path from property to fascismJun 17 00:17
MinceRit's possible that it was the other way aroundJun 17 00:17
MinceRas for wallets, they could contain gold, depending on whom you askJun 17 00:18
XRevan86MinceR: Right, gold makes sense. Except heavy and with quality issues.Jun 17 00:18
XRevan86I don't know what's the appeal of ancap, it's like the worst of both worlds.Jun 17 00:20
XRevan86Capitalism needs a medium in which capital can safely interact. Anarchism is literally abolishment of the said medium.Jun 17 00:23
MinceRnot reallyJun 17 00:23
XRevan86Without it they can resort to feudalism at best.Jun 17 00:23
MinceRit's the abolishment of powerful forces that distort the marketJun 17 00:23
XRevan86MinceR: You're thinking of libertarianism.Jun 17 00:24
MinceRno, i'm thinking of capitalismJun 17 00:24
XRevan86MinceR: The state doesn't just influence the market, it provides the market space.Jun 17 00:25
MinceRit doesn't just influence the market, it provides a hotbed of corruption which also distorts the marketJun 17 00:25
MinceRthe universe provides the market spaceJun 17 00:25
MinceRhumans exchanging goods predates the stateJun 17 00:25
XRevan86MinceR: Basic exchange of goods is not the same thing as capitalism.Jun 17 00:26
MinceRbasic exchange of goods gives rise to the marketJun 17 00:26
MinceRwhich is what capitalism is supposed to be all aboutJun 17 00:26
XRevan86MinceR: What capitalism needs is endurance that there will be no use of literal force, no theft, etc.Jun 17 00:27
XRevan86MinceR: For that you need police.Jun 17 00:27
MinceRno, i don'tJun 17 00:27
MinceRfor that i need people who wield forceJun 17 00:27
MinceRthere's no need to pretend that someone has a monopoly on that forceJun 17 00:27
MinceRi know that people like to pretend that policemen are saintsJun 17 00:28
MinceRunfortunately, they're merely humanJun 17 00:28
XRevan86MinceR: The same people who can be used as thugs.Jun 17 00:28
MinceRpolice can be used as thugs as wellJun 17 00:28
MinceRand they areJun 17 00:28
MinceRespecially when there's no rule of lawJun 17 00:28
XRevan86MinceR: In perfect capitalism they're not %).Jun 17 00:29
MinceRand afaict there's no rule of law anywhere on earthJun 17 00:29
MinceRyes, because in perfect capitalism there is no state or police :>Jun 17 00:29
XRevan86Capitalism is an economical system in which capital is the primary force.Jun 17 00:30
MinceRso, not the violence practiced by the agents of the stateJun 17 00:31
XRevan86Without any outer body to protect capital from the physical world occurrences, some security force is required.Jun 17 00:31
MinceRas long as one pretends that the "security force" is an "outer body"Jun 17 00:31
MinceRunfortunately, it isn'tJun 17 00:32
MinceRit's just a bunch of humans, given power, and corrupted by itJun 17 00:32
XRevan86And because capital of any size needs protection, it can't be just some private security.Jun 17 00:32
XRevan86MinceR: I'm outlining the capitalist theory here.Jun 17 00:32
XRevan86Not how imperfect reality taints it severely.Jun 17 00:33
XRevan86Ancap approaches this with the nonaggression principle and hopes of some bourgeois solidarity.Jun 17 00:33
XRevan86That if someone infringes on some property, the good big capitalist will see it as danger to the market and will eliminate that danger.Jun 17 00:34
MinceRit doesn't have to be one big capitalistJun 17 00:35
XRevan86Or in plural.Jun 17 00:35
MinceRit can be a community of people who recognize that such behavior is a threat to their societyJun 17 00:35
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XRevan86A community of like Google, Microsoft, Amazon, Oracle, IBM…Jun 17 00:36
MinceRhopefully corporations like those wouldn't be tolerated by a society where individuals aren't disarmed and disenfranchised by the stateJun 17 00:36
MinceRcertainly, microsloth wouldn't have gotten anywhere without the state enforcing their Imaginary PropertyJun 17 00:37
XRevan86MinceR: But they have the property, you can't just ignore that.Jun 17 00:37
XRevan86And land is also property, so in ancap no free land is pretty much a given.Jun 17 00:38
MinceRthose corporations don't really live off having a lot of landJun 17 00:39
MinceRthey live off Imaginary PropertyJun 17 00:39
XRevan86MinceR: You call it imaginary property, hah. But in anarchism they will decide what is and isn't property.Jun 17 00:39
MinceRit is indeed not propertyJun 17 00:39
MinceRmaking copies of it is nearly cost-freeJun 17 00:40
XRevan86And they will defend what they by consensus consider to be property.Jun 17 00:40
MinceRit is generally easier to copy than moveJun 17 00:40
XRevan86MinceR: Next thing you'll tell me that land is nature and scarce, so belongs to everyone.Jun 17 00:40
MinceRi don't think there's an easy way out with landJun 17 00:41
MinceRdeclare it strictly owned and people will find themselves without a place they could live inJun 17 00:41
MinceRdeclare it "not property" and you have no privacyJun 17 00:41
XRevan86MinceR: It's a tricky subject. But eternal ownership of land has some interesting consequences.Jun 17 00:42
MinceRand you have strangers milling about in the house you're trying to sleep inJun 17 00:42
XRevan86That ancap will absolutely not touch.Jun 17 00:42
MinceRbut then, i'm not an "ancap" or an "ancom"Jun 17 00:42
XRevan86MinceR: Neither am I.Jun 17 00:42
XRevan86> declare it "not property" and you have no privacyJun 17 00:43
XRevan86That's never the case. Usually the approach is a lease.Jun 17 00:44
MinceRfrom whom?Jun 17 00:44
MinceRand what is the basis of leasing land if land is not property?Jun 17 00:44
XRevan86MinceR: In anarchy – I don't know.Jun 17 00:44
XRevan86Maybe some mutual agreement that land should not be inherited.Jun 17 00:45
XRevan86Not ancap'ish but in some other form.Jun 17 00:45
MinceRor just a general understanding that if someone's trying to hog all the land, they're going to get lynchedJun 17 00:47
XRevan86MinceR: What if your business is land-based (plantation)?Jun 17 00:48
XRevan86Or if there's just one good strip of land in the vicinity.Jun 17 00:48
MinceRthere will probably be others who want to engage in such business as wellJun 17 00:48
MinceRand it's in the clients' interest to have competition on the marketJun 17 00:48
XRevan86But it's not hogging if your enterprise needs it.Jun 17 00:49
MinceRdependsJun 17 00:50
MinceRare others starving because of it?Jun 17 00:50
oiaohmMinceR: really it gets fun when you read the finer print of many countries free hold title.   Land in a lot of cases is not your property at all its the governments that they allow you to use on a unlimited lease.    People normally find this out when govenment sells mining contract under them.Jun 17 00:50
XRevan86MinceR: There are always others starving.Jun 17 00:50
oiaohmand you techically don't have to be paid a cent.Jun 17 00:51
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oiaohmSo much of what we call property when you get into fine print arbitrary ideas written on paper. Jun 17 00:52
MinceRoiaohm: that doesn't really make it any betterJun 17 00:52
MinceRit's just that people like to pretend the government doesn't exist or that it isn't run by peopleJun 17 00:52
oiaohmMost people don't think how come when a country gets invaided land titles basically go by by as well.Jun 17 00:53
oiaohmBecause land title depends on your country.Jun 17 00:53
XRevan86Somehow we don't live in an abstract world of ideas.Jun 17 00:53
XRevan86Capitalism doesn't exist, socialism doesn't exist, nothing in reality can fully comply with ideas.Jun 17 00:54
DaemonFC[m]<MinceR "it's just that people like to pr"> They aren't people. They're Replicant Lizards.Jun 17 00:58
XRevan86Worst of all, SQL also doesn't exist (:Jun 17 00:58
DaemonFC[m]First the Lizard People took over but then they realized they had to pay their Lizard minor officials, so they replaced them with Lizard Replicants.Jun 17 00:58
MinceRDaemonFC[m]: lolJun 17 00:59
MinceRXRevan86: goodJun 17 00:59
MinceRhopefully neither does COBOLJun 17 00:59
MinceRor BasicJun 17 00:59
XRevan86MinceR: SELECT * FROM [good]Jun 17 00:59
MinceRis that m$ access?Jun 17 00:59
DaemonFC[m]Skynet and the Lizard Replicants are busy deciding if I get to live or die at this very moment.Jun 17 01:00
XRevan86MinceR: yesJun 17 01:00
MinceRewJun 17 01:00
XRevan86MinceR: That's what does exist in its place.Jun 17 01:00
MinceRlolJun 17 01:00
XRevan86A bit of an exaggerated example, as MS Access is the absolute worst, but stillJun 17 01:02
psydreaddoes that abomination still exist?Jun 17 01:05
XRevan86SELECT LAST[basic] FROM [good] WHERE basic LIKE("*absolute.shit*");Jun 17 01:06
XRevan86I think that would actually execute.Jun 17 01:07
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DaemonFC[m]Not really sure what Haiku offers.Jun 17 05:03
DaemonFC[m]It's not *nix, so there's not a lot of software that's compatible with it.Jun 17 05:04
schestowitzsome people older than us are nostalgic about beosJun 17 05:05
schestowitzI never even used os/2Jun 17 05:05
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DaemonFC[m]I had BeOS on my computer.Jun 17 05:09
DaemonFC[m]I was triple booting between Windows 98, BeOS, and Mandrake Linux.Jun 17 05:09
cubexyzminix, desqview, tops, CP/M, amigadosJun 17 05:09
cubexyzprobably others if I think about it moreJun 17 05:10
DaemonFC[m]I cut Windows 98 way down with RoM2 and so it wasn't using much space in the end.Jun 17 05:10
DaemonFC[m]Then I installed BeOS Personal Edition and Mandrake Linux in files on my FAT32 drive.Jun 17 05:10
cubexyzVenix, many other *nix variantsJun 17 05:10
cubexyzRT-11, quasijarus, ultrix, plan 9, etcJun 17 05:11
cubexyzI tried BeOS, I was diverted by it, I'm not really nostalgic about itJun 17 05:13
cubexyzFOSS was the real driver, which made BeOS less interesting, same for amigados although it was leaked/released laterJun 17 05:16
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superkuhBeOS 5 was my gateway drug to linux.Jun 17 05:27
psydreadI never used BeOS, but I remember having a cd set of itJun 17 05:31
psydreadand now I have Haiku installed on an Intel Celeron laptopJun 17 05:32
psydreadafter wiping KubuntuJun 17 05:32
psydread> Not really sure what Haiku offers.Jun 17 05:35
psydread> It's not *nix, so there's not a lot of software that's compatible with it.Jun 17 05:35
psydreadBeOS was Unix-like and Haiku actually has implemented all of Posix. At least that's what one of the developers recently said. It just doesn't have X11.Jun 17 05:35
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oiaohmpsydread:  Haiku is posix yes but the undefined sections of posix like what libraries functions have to be in add a extrea mix of hell.Jun 17 05:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Haiku - WineHQ WikiJun 17 05:45
oiaohmSo yes Haiku is Posix compadbile but the library name holding the function could be completely different to every other Unix/BSD/Linux in existance.Jun 17 05:46
psydreadoiaohm, yes, I know they have some weirdness and I wouldn't put it on my main machines, but I was surprised it worked on real hardware at all. And its hardware support doesn't seem to be that bad either with pretty modern hardware being supported using mostly drivers ported from FreeBSD.Jun 17 05:51
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schestowitzAriadne: any good cli/ncurses client for pleroma?Jun 17 06:05
schestowitzI still cannot get it to load at all in qupzilla, not mastodon style, not classic style eitherJun 17 06:06
schestowitzwould mastodon clients be compatible? e.g. 17 06:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Tutorial – Mastodon - Page: 1.3 » Linux MagazineJun 17 06:08
schestowitz 17 06:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Pleroma Clients — Pleroma v1.1.9-10-g42f76306+devJun 17 06:11
schestowitz seems to work for me, let's test...Jun 17 06:13
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Ariadnemastodon clients are compatibleJun 17 06:59
schestowitzI found a way, eventually..Jun 17 07:08
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psydreadI think Mastodon should also go p2p like Matrix recently didJun 17 10:25
schestowitzis ti scalable?Jun 17 10:33
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psydreadI haven't tested it yetJun 17 11:07
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A Message From Vandana Shiva - YouTubeJun 17 11:17
schestowitzYOUTUBE seems to be messing with results a lotJun 17 11:17
schestowitzGoogle curating to amplify the official narrativesJun 17 11:18
schestowitzdemoting things that highlight deceptionJun 17 11:18
schestowitzthis is awful, YouTube became like broadcast/TVJun 17 11:18
schestowitzIn the name or 'protecting' us from 'bad' ideasJun 17 11:18
MinceRthere is no good choiceJun 17 11:20
MinceRthey can curate or they can become a mouthpiece for nutcasesJun 17 11:21
MinceRthe problem is with humanityJun 17 11:21
schestowitz      <li>Jun 17 11:42
schestowitz        <h5><a href="">We Are Witnessing an Uprising Against a World Built on Anti-Blackness</a></h5>Jun 17 11:42
schestowitz        <blockquote>Jun 17 11:42
schestowitz          <p>How we understand the current uprising in the wake of multiple police killings is critical. It is not only a protest. If we are fortunate, it stays an uprising — against a whole system built on anti-Blackness. This is not about a few “bad apples,” but an entire institution that has a monopoly on the definition of “justice.” It is about people’s psychic, emotional and economic investments in a heavily resourced Jun 17 11:42
schestowitzsystem that functions to protect white supremacy through anti-Black violence. It is about George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, Tony McDade, Oscar Grant, Sandra Bland, Rekia Boyd and so many others, as well as the hundreds of years’ worth of violence against Black communities. As such, and as the world is witnessing — because of the gravity and depth — every strategy to disturb, let alone upend this world, will be taken.</p></Jun 17 11:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | We Are Witnessing an Uprising Against a World Built on Anti-BlacknessJun 17 11:42
schestowitzblockquote></li>Jun 17 11:42
schestowitzoopsJun 17 11:42
schestowitzcorrect paste: 17 11:42
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XRevan86Why do only white dudes with beer bellies coming to my awesome Pirate-themed party? Is it all the black flags with skulls and bones? I mean, I didn't mean it to be offensive!Jun 17 12:17
*XRevan86 read like that when it came to whitelists.Jun 17 12:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | On inclusive language: an extended metaphor involving parties because why not | AdamW on Linux and moreJun 17 12:18
XRevan86I can't wait to move on to the world where colours aren't exclusively reserved for skin.Jun 17 12:20
XRevan86I've been making commie jokes about "red flags", but red is also how skin of indigenous Americans was seen by the European colonisers…Jun 17 12:22
XRevan86Or: better dead than red.Jun 17 12:23
XRevan86Yellow press – untrustworthy. Because Chinese are untrustworthy? Is that the message you want to send?Jun 17 12:26
MinceR:>Jun 17 12:29
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MinceRthey just can't keep their fucking politics out of my technologyJun 17 12:31
MinceRthey'll be totally surprised and outraged when their ancient enemies get on the bandwagonJun 17 12:31
XRevan86I'm fine with them taking politics out with "slave". But now it's "race is everything" shoved into every orifice.Jun 17 12:33
MinceRslavery is not race anywayJun 17 12:36
XRevan86MinceR: Technically not, and it is a very regional thing to always assume otherwise, but it is politics, because slavery is a political issue.Jun 17 12:37
XRevan86MinceR: And race-based slavery is the kind of slavery that has pronounced consequences to this day.Jun 17 12:39
XRevan86So in that respect, it's not far-fetched.Jun 17 12:40
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XRevan86No one cares about Slavs having a business of selling other Slavs as slaves anymore. It's even reflected in the name, but today it doesn't creep in the shadows.Jun 17 12:42
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XRevan86And of course if slavery is based on some inherent characteristic of a person (i.e. if social classes are divided by skin tone), then it's _a_lot_ more nasty than when it's mixed.Jun 17 12:45
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omac777I was reading your article about the Microsoft Github thing.Jun 17 13:02
omac777A few days ago, I was on 17 13:02
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MinceRXRevan86: yeah, and bible-humpers might actually bring back slavery because in their favorite overrated fable, slavery is portrayed as acceptableJun 17 13:04
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omac777Someone posted something about Microsoft acknowledging Rust and wanting to proceed to adopt it for any upcoming software development.  I replied along the lines that why should rust developers care about MS thinks because I don't highly regard Microsoft and prefer to warn Rust redditors to remain vigilant about anything Microsoft.  The end resultJun 17 13:09
omac777was I got harshly downvoted in terms of point and given a warning of being booted of the forum for rule of "zeolotry".  They said don't be "over zealous".  They said "do you have a bone to pick with Microsoft?".  I'm an older individual so I have read the number of legal suits against Microsoft.  I've been admiring for a long timeJun 17 13:09
omac777from a distance.  I de-activated my account with reddit reason being "too much censorship".  I suspect the rust reddit moderator being a Microserf. Thank you for listening.Jun 17 13:09
schestowitzhiJun 17 13:11
schestowitzsome people in Mozilla are from MicrosoftJun 17 13:11
schestowitzthat's an issueJun 17 13:11
MinceRi don't even care about rust, it has the same freedom issue as failfoxJun 17 13:12
omac777Have a look at how many messages were deleted in there. 17 13:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft: Rust Is the Industry’s ‘Best Chance’ at Safe Systems Programming : rustJun 17 13:12
omac777my username in was also omac777Jun 17 13:12
MinceRalso, people keep advertising it as a replacement to C++, when it can't even do multiple inheritanceJun 17 13:12
omac777There are no longer messages within that thread posted by omac777(myself)...because they deleted them all over "being over zealous" toward Microsoft.Jun 17 13:13
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schestowitzwowJun 17 13:14
schestowitzcan you sent screenshot if they're still shown when you are logged in?Jun 17 13:14
schestowitzpreferably the whole pageJun 17 13:14
schestowitzwith the missing messagesJun 17 13:14
schestowitzwe'll reproduce them in techrightJun 17 13:14
omac777No I have none of that history.  I'm sorry.Jun 17 13:14
schestowitz*techrights evenJun 17 13:14
schestowitzmaybe Google Cache?Jun 17 13:14
omac777perhaps. hangon.Jun 17 13:14
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schestowitzthenewstack is not a news siteJun 17 13:15
schestowitzit's sponsored spam siteJun 17 13:15
schestowitzcan't recall whether Microsoft is one of the sponsorsJun 17 13:15
schestowitzbut it's a hoax news site, you pay to be coveredJun 17 13:15
schestowitzthey have media kitJun 17 13:16
schestowitzand they call it something like partner, or some other term I forgotJun 17 13:16
omac777No, I'm not familiar with the time travel within google cache.Jun 17 13:16
omac777I deactivated my account over this, but I just wanted to let you know something is up with and rust moderators.Jun 17 13:17
schestowitzif you did not terminate your account fully, you may still be able to recover those messagesJun 17 13:18
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schestowitzwith contextJun 17 13:18
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schestowitzthe full page is not of much interest, it's a puff pieces and idiotc noddingJun 17 13:18
schestowitzhaving eliminated all signs of dissentJun 17 13:18
schestowitzreddit has long been like thatJun 17 13:18
omac777 17 13:18
schestowitzit's conde nast-owned, they kicked Linus out for 1.5 monthsJun 17 13:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ search results - author:omac777Jun 17 13:18
omac777no posts exist anymore.Jun 17 13:18
omac777I deactivated my account.Jun 17 13:19
schestowitzcan you reactive still, temporarily?Jun 17 13:19
schestowitzI want screenshots of their reply to youJun 17 13:19
schestowitzit's a good topic to cover as we've long argued this rust attitude is really terribleJun 17 13:19
schestowitzthey also have github-hosted glean and others, basically mozilla spywareJun 17 13:19
schestowitzhosted by microsoftJun 17 13:20
omac777nope I can't. It's done.  It's permanent.  That's ok.Jun 17 13:20
schestowitzok, in that caseJun 17 13:20
schestowitzcan you expand the above opening message?Jun 17 13:20
schestowitzRecalling from memory your argument and their response?Jun 17 13:20
schestowitzas best you remember?Jun 17 13:20
omac777I summarized the detail accurately above.Jun 17 13:21
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schestowitzok, I'll see what to do with it, maybe tomorrow after I workJun 17 13:22
XRevan86It looks like they want adoption and traction no matter from whom, and you were spoiling their groove %)Jun 17 13:22
schestowitzalso:Jun 17 13:22
schestowitzcan you confirm is any of the moderators are msft employees?Jun 17 13:22
schestowitzor just flairs?Jun 17 13:22
schestowitzor mozilla employeesJun 17 13:22
omac777in further posting I was perhaps rude and mentioned "rape" as a word to depict how they treated certain companies that had suits against them which led to the my downvoting points and being labelled as "over-zealous" and they mentioned the rule "zealotry".  that's the best I can do.Jun 17 13:22
schestowitzthat's BSJun 17 13:23
schestowitzcorporations that bomb peopleJun 17 13:23
schestowitzcall their opponents zealotsJun 17 13:23
schestowitzthat's corporate BSJun 17 13:23
XRevan86Has Microsoft's ICE collaboration been all forgiven?Jun 17 13:23
omac777I have no idea about who moderates but the moderator sounded diplomatic and simply wanted to enforce reddit's rules or make it seem so from my perspective.Jun 17 13:24
schestowitzthis is what cocs are aboutJun 17 13:24
schestowitzand why they're so controversialJun 17 13:24
schestowitzcorporations love cocs because these help muzzle their criticsJun 17 13:24
omac777None of my words were inciting violence.  My words were inciting vigilance.Jun 17 13:24
XRevan86Maybe they paid their moral debts by removing the word "master" from GitHub.Jun 17 13:24
schestowitzand they blackmail projects into adpting their drafted cocsJun 17 13:24
schestowitz"or else we won't participate"Jun 17 13:24
schestowitzXRevan86: separate issueJun 17 13:25
schestowitzthey were not even the firstJun 17 13:25
schestowitzkde devs wrote about it days prior...Jun 17 13:25
XRevan86schestowitz: That's tied into "Microsoft is no longer that bad corporation it used to be"Jun 17 13:25
XRevan86Not the first, yes.Jun 17 13:25
XRevan86I think GNOME was the first.Jun 17 13:26
omac777to be clear I was simply telling rust redditors to remain vigilant toward Microsoft and I get downvoted and censored to the point they need to delete my posts.  So I decided too much censorship and deactivated my account.Jun 17 13:26
schestowitzok, cheersJun 17 13:26
schestowitzbetter to screenshot evidence if you do this Jun 17 13:26
schestowitzi know I would...Jun 17 13:26
schestowitzi hate reddit's censorship, it's very corporate-leaningJun 17 13:27
omac777The data is probably still on reddit databases somewhere.Jun 17 13:27
omac777does the wayback machine cover this?Jun 17 13:27
schestowitzand they're infested with these corporations, without disclosureJun 17 13:27
schestowitzno, wayback machine isn't good for caching SHORT termJun 17 13:27
omac777Very interesting...Jun 17 13:27
schestowitzyou can try google caching your accountJun 17 13:28
schestowitzsyntax is webcache: iircJun 17 13:28
omac777okJun 17 13:28
schestowitzit would be interesting to see who talked you downJun 17 13:28
schestowitzif a moderator, maybe a footdsoldiers of mozilla warriorsJun 17 13:28
schestowitzwho lie constantly about privacyJun 17 13:28
omac777Well the best way would be to repeat the process on the same topic using a different usernameJun 17 13:32
omac777It just can't be me.Jun 17 13:33
schestowitza lot of hassle, tooJun 17 13:36
psydreadis this a case of MS trying to take over Rust?Jun 17 13:39
psydreador rather of MS and Mozilla colluding to nip Rust in the bud?Jun 17 13:40
MinceRrust is mozilla's projectJun 17 13:40
psydreadI knowJun 17 13:40
psydreadbut why would Mozilla allow MS to infiltrate it?Jun 17 13:40
omac777At least you can understand my perspective though.  Simply wanting to warn other rust users should be vigilant toward Microsoft.  Their opinion shouldn't be deemed in high regard since they have a history with suits against them  I stated 3 particular ones.  The stac electronic, the java j++ Sun VSJun 17 13:41
omac777MS, Znix...  your own link but I used another coming from a book anti trust again microsoft 17 13:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft litigation - WikipediaJun 17 13:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft Attacks Linux Competition Using Lawsuits and Threats (With Software Patents), Pays Acacia/IP Innovation After Anti-Linux Lawsuit | TechrightsJun 17 13:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Microsoft Antitrust Cases | The MIT PressJun 17 13:41
MinceRmaybe they get paid for itJun 17 13:41
schestowitzafaik, microsoft already eee'd rust months agoJun 17 13:41
schestowitzmozilla does not seem to mindJun 17 13:42
psydreadthat must be a really desperate moveJun 17 13:42
MinceRor they're just as naive as the lusers who bought the "Microsoft <3 Linux" bullshit campaignJun 17 13:42
schestowitzit even does all the coding on Microsoft's serversJun 17 13:42
schestowitzmozilla is a basket caseJun 17 13:42
psydreadand if they allow it, it means we'll have to find another nextgen programming language that isn't infected with the MS virusJun 17 13:42
schestowitzthey'll infect it tooJun 17 13:43
schestowitzthey always try toJun 17 13:43
schestowitzthis is what cults doJun 17 13:43
MinceRor forget the nextgen hype and learn lispJun 17 13:43
schestowitzand look at where Microsoft came fromJun 17 13:43
omac777As I stated before, I'm not inciting violence.  I'm giving advice to be vigilant...and some moderator seeing my post stated I am over-zealous dinged me with -89 points and deleted my post mentioning the above links. WOW. I couldn't believe it.  This isn't inciting violence. Why on earth is reddit and their rust moderator doing this?Jun 17 13:43
schestowitzmaybe a Microsoft employeeJun 17 13:43
schestowitzbut unless we have screenshotJun 17 13:44
psydreadmy Reddit karma is -99 and will stay like that foreverJun 17 13:44
schestowitzall we have is a page full of praiseJun 17 13:44
schestowitzand we cannot check who did what, like deleting a commentJun 17 13:44
XRevan86omac777: New feature-rich native languages without a heavy runtime?Jun 17 13:45
psydreada page full of praise is a page that is entirely fakeJun 17 13:45
*XRevan86 doesn't know any.Jun 17 13:45
XRevan86If heavy runtime is not a factor, then Crystal and Google's Go.Jun 17 13:45
omac777I'm a rust fan.  It's indeed full of merit.  It's fully capable now in Linux.Jun 17 13:46
psydreadmaybe that is the reason why MS had to eee itJun 17 13:46
omac777Rust got the macro capability right.  Zig might be safer to use than Rust "unsafe" which makes Zig very interesting too.Jun 17 13:46
XRevan86psydread: MS stated it themselves, that they're interested in a language that can produce efficient code but isn't, well, C or C++.Jun 17 13:47
psydreadI just started reading a book on Rust a few weeks ago, I will resume that shortlyJun 17 13:47
omac777Zig doesn't have all the written libraries giving practical capabilities though.  Rust has grpc, rocket/actix, latest tls, rust-qt(GUI).  The only thing truly not documented yet is how to write device drivers in rust for linux, but it's being worked on though.Jun 17 13:48
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XRevan86omac777: Have you looked at Haskell? Just asking :)Jun 17 13:49
omac777Rust could be see as a threat to Microsoft since it's better than Microsoft tooling to be honest.Jun 17 13:49
schestowitzthey want to control everythingJun 17 13:50
schestowitzeven linuxJun 17 13:50
omac777THAT is why Microsoft is embracing it as it did web.Jun 17 13:50
schestowitzeven gnu, in githubJun 17 13:50
schestowitzand the kernelJun 17 13:50
schestowitzthe tech version of "full spectrum dominance"Jun 17 13:50
XRevan86omac777: I don't think that they'd try to destroy Rust, but they will try to own it.Jun 17 13:50
schestowitzthey already do itJun 17 13:50
MinceReverything is better than microsloth toolingJun 17 13:50
schestowitzI mentioned it months agoJun 17 13:50
schestowitzMicrosoft 'extends' RustJun 17 13:50
schestowitzwhicb is easier for them because they control rust, it is on githubJun 17 13:51
schestowitzthey can ban 'toxic' devsJun 17 13:51
schestowitzor people who voice scepticismJun 17 13:51
schestowitzthey control the communications there tooJun 17 13:51
psydreadis there a way to fork Rust (retroactively)?Jun 17 13:51
MinceRyesJun 17 13:51
MinceRyou can clone their repo from shithubJun 17 13:51
schestowitzrusky forkJun 17 13:51
schestowitzdon't go thereJun 17 13:51
schestowitzdon't biteJun 17 13:51
MinceRrename it and strip it of the trademark policy and you have a free languageJun 17 13:51
MinceRstill no multiple inheritance thoughJun 17 13:51
schestowitzand then microsoft will ban the fork for 'zealotry'Jun 17 13:51
psydreadthat's what I was thinkingJun 17 13:52
MinceRthey can't, if it's not on shithubJun 17 13:52
schestowitzthey already censor Microsoft critics nowJun 17 13:52
schestowitzi saw some examplesJun 17 13:52
XRevan86polish, because without rustJun 17 13:52
MinceR:)Jun 17 13:52
MinceR"do you speak polish?"Jun 17 13:52
XRevan86MinceR: kurwaJun 17 13:52
schestowitzmaybe it's time to call it a day in Rust, if it's really that bad and too late. I just tell them to delete github every weekJun 17 13:52
omac777The rust + microsoft stuff isn't an issue.  You can choose not to use it.  You can choose to just use Linux and Rust and that's what I do.  At work there are cases for using rust on windows for interoperability with all the mgmt types that use microsoft office stuff in the workflow...I co-exist/interoperate with it, but try my best to keep it to aJun 17 13:52
omac777minimum.Jun 17 13:52
MinceR:)Jun 17 13:52
XRevan86I know Slavic languages yet I still replied "kurwa"Jun 17 13:53
XRevan86that's the power of PolishJun 17 13:53
schestowitzpolskurwaJun 17 13:53
XRevan86omac777: Do you know the status of Rust adoption by GNOME?Jun 17 13:53
XRevan86I know a lot of people at GNOME have found Rust to be exactly what they wanted.Jun 17 13:54
omac777I love gtk-rs.  Beautiful !  I should have mentioned it alongside rust-qt with vgtk too.Jun 17 13:54
omac777yes there are rust bindings for gui stuff.Jun 17 13:55
omac777yes there are rust bindings for gpu stuff too.Jun 17 13:55
XRevan86Maybe C++ wouldn't've been this much frowned upon in GNOME if gtkmm weren't such an obsolete piece of…Jun 17 13:56
omac777grpc/go are awesome too, but the gui story in golang is weaker imho.Jun 17 13:56
XRevan86omac777: It indeed is.Jun 17 13:56
schestowitz 17 13:58
schestowitzlatestJun 17 13:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | This Week in Rust 343 · This Week in RustJun 17 13:58
schestowitzfor today's next batch of Daily LinlsJun 17 13:58
schestowitzgithub mentioned so many timesJun 17 13:59
schestowitz"openly develpers"Jun 17 13:59
schestowitzyeah... in proprietary platform with Microsoft spyingJun 17 13:59
schestowitzopenly... developedJun 17 13:59
schestowitzin a prisonJun 17 13:59
schestowitzsome people already complained about the rust coc excludingJun 17 14:00
schestowitzand guess what they got for it...Jun 17 14:00
omac777My brain appreciates all the work done in gnu/gcc/g++/clang/clang++/llvm/lld/ll debugger. BUT Rust really is a joy even without multi-inheritance.  I love duck-typing(golang concept) within rust.Jun 17 14:00
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psydreadmy concern is what is going to happen to things like Redox now. They moved away to their own Gitlab instances a year or two ago and now MS is embracing the very programming language the entire operating system is written inJun 17 14:01
psydreadinstance*Jun 17 14:01
XRevan86psydread: (why do I keep mentioning C++?) C++ has "auto", uses of which were extended a lot starting with C++14Jun 17 14:03
XRevan86pretty ducky to meJun 17 14:03
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omac777the ducky doesn't imply auto typing.  In fact I abhor auto-typing within rust.  I prefer explicit types not variants.  auto is like a variant, but it leaves room for stuff being auto-converted when returning stuff to other caller functions using different types. It wastes lots of cpu time converting between types everywhere.  It also leaves roomJun 17 14:06
omac777for a lot of incorrect values being returned too.Jun 17 14:06
psydreadXRevan86, I know, I've also reading Stroustrup's book from 2018 to catch up with modern C++ syntax, as I needed some of it to write some threading codeJun 17 14:06
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omac777the duck-typing for me simply makes functions available for structures without having to exist within the structure itself.  it feels like fact in golang everything is an interface and this is how they manage to make all this magic work.  In Rust it actually can be made to work in the very same way which is awesome.Jun 17 14:10
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XRevan86psydread: C++20 introduced a lot more stuff %)Jun 17 14:13
psydreadXRevant86, I'll catch up with that later, C++17 is ok for now 🙂Jun 17 14:13
omac777Redox is amazing as a concept.  Redox is coming to fruition. they have the gui, they have the network.  It runs in a vm.  REDOX needs more devs that know what they're doing though.  It also need more documentation for regular users to build it and adopt it.Jun 17 14:14
XRevan86omac777: Can you give an example in Rust?Jun 17 14:14
omac777 in this case the to_string() could have been quack() and walk()Jun 17 14:17
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schestowitzmind js and typescriptJun 17 14:18
schestowitzmicrosoft is still doing its java operandiJun 17 14:18
schestowitzand it leverages github to fake popularity of its stuffJun 17 14:18
schestowitzfake 'studied' and 'surveys'Jun 17 14:18
schestowitz*studiesJun 17 14:18
schestowitzto entice devs to join based on fictionJun 17 14:18
omac777It's not the best example but essential of a typed struct with a member value is there.  Then the function is made available for that type structure later on. let's quack() the first day. then walk() is added the next day().  It's beautiful just like go.  C/C++ have these implicitly, but they usually imply that it needs to be embedded within theJun 17 14:19
omac777class/struct.  In golang/rust they are not within the struct.Jun 17 14:19
omac777quack()/walk() are not within the struct in rust/golang.  They sit outside of the struct.  For long-term maintenance, this is better.Jun 17 14:19
omac777gotta go.Jun 17 14:20
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XRevan86It's strange to see this many Russians taking a racist stance regarding protests in the US. Ate up all the coverage from Russian television. I didn't see it, but from what I hear, it's pretty close to what Fox News sells.Jun 17 17:30
XRevan86Nothing personal, just that Putin needs another example of why protesting is the worst thing ever.Jun 17 17:30
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XRevan86So ("we do not want events similiar to what happened in Paris")Jun 17 17:34
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schestowitz[17:30] <XRevan86> Nothing personal, just that Putin needs another example of why protesting is the worst thing ever.Jun 17 17:50
schestowitzyes, dictators don't like successful revoltsJun 17 17:50
schestowitzthey can - gasp - inspire people everywhereJun 17 17:50
schestowitzthey're 'contagious'Jun 17 17:50
XRevan86schestowitz: Indeed.Jun 17 17:51
schestowitzso you infiltrate themJun 17 17:51
schestowitzyou misframe themJun 17 17:51
schestowitzno people with grievancesJun 17 17:51
XRevan86Even peaceful protests are outlawed, and this can serve as justification. Just frame it as horrid.Jun 17 17:52
schestowitzjust lootings, looters looking to burn stuff and get 'free stuff'Jun 17 17:52
schestowitzbut when US wants revolt for resgime changeJun 17 17:52
schestowitzthen the most abhorrent provocations are "for democracy"Jun 17 17:52
schestowitzeven Cubans who take down planesJun 17 17:52
schestowitz(venezuela was the same, Iran last year...)Jun 17 17:53
schestowitznot SaudiJun 17 17:53
schestowitzbeheaded atheists are OKJun 17 17:53
schestowitzbecause back thwn US needed cheap oilJun 17 17:54
schestowitznot anymoreJun 17 17:54
schestowitzso they bail out n KSA nowJun 17 17:54
XRevan86schestowitz: God bless AmericaJun 17 17:54
XRevan86They did those atheists a favour, they will sin no more, will make their case less heavy in Hell.Jun 17 17:55
*XRevan86 wonders if some people still hold the aforementioned views…Jun 17 17:55
XRevan86Maybe Saudis actually do.Jun 17 17:57
zoobabwe will launch a crowdfunding campaign to sack the UPC in GermanyJun 17 18:05
zoobabI am looking at which "platform" to useJun 17 18:05
zoobabwe need something basic, with a meter or somethingJun 17 18:05
zoobaband no 'fees'Jun 17 18:05
zoobabgofundme seems to be require some credit card feesJun 17 18:06
zoobabany recommendation?Jun 17 18:06
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XRevan86 renamed for some reasonJun 17 19:30
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XRevan86I will say "where's my eSNI?" no more.Jun 17 19:30
XRevan86Where's my ECH?Jun 17 19:30
DaemonFC[m]Anyway, back to sex toys. I really think the government should subsidize these instead of children.Jun 17 19:46
DaemonFC[m]Think about it. They can pay a million dollars over 18 years in welfare and public schools or $1,500 one time to buy every man out there a real doll.Jun 17 19:47
DaemonFC[m]As a carbon offset and population control strategy, you really can't knock it.Jun 17 19:47
DaemonFC[m]I think it's kind of ridiculous that women have all of these birth control options and it's all bought and paid for by Uncle Sugar, including tubes tied.Jun 17 19:48
DaemonFC[m]Women are rate limited as to how much they can get pregnant, but there are some men who go around and have kids with 5-6 different women.Jun 17 19:48
DaemonFC[m]We're not really solving the problem by only giving women options and telling men that the condom is all they get and it has an 86% success rate if you use them right.Jun 17 19:49
DaemonFC[m]86% is obviously better than 0%, but it's not something that entirely eliminates the risk. Jun 17 19:50
DaemonFC[m]Men should be able to get a vasectomy and their insurance should have to pay for it 100%.Jun 17 19:50
DaemonFC[m]Deciding that you'll never have kids is not a bad decision.Jun 17 19:50
DaemonFC[m]In fact, in light of the United States turning into Soylent Green levels of unemployed people overnight due to the criminal overreaction by state governments to tge virus, I think we really need two things now.Jun 17 19:52
DaemonFC[m]Expand Social Security to Universal Basic Income and enact sweeping measures that remove all barriers to contraception.Jun 17 19:53
DaemonFC[m]The virus is out there anyway and it'll kill about the same number of people, just over a longer timeframe.Jun 17 19:53
CrystalMath<DaemonFC[m]> Men should be able to get a vasectomy and their insurance should have to pay for it 100%. <- amen to that!Jun 17 19:54
CrystalMatherrJun 17 19:54
CrystalMathwrong oneJun 17 19:54
CrystalMath<DaemonFC[m]> Deciding that you'll never have kids is not a bad decision. Jun 17 19:54
CrystalMath<DaemonFC[m]> Deciding that you'll never have kids is not a bad decision. <- amen to thatJun 17 19:54
CrystalMathi think vasectomies are good but not forcing people to do somethingJun 17 19:54
DaemonFC[m]If I was straight and had kids when I was 16, they would be 20 years old now, if I did it at 18, they'd be 18, if I did it at 20, they'd be 16.Jun 17 19:55
DaemonFC[m]In any event, they'd be aging into this fucking horseshit mess.Jun 17 19:55
DaemonFC[m]They'd be inheriting a world that is the most fucked up it has ever been.Jun 17 19:56
DaemonFC[m]Although in 2000-2006, it wouldn't have been as obvious because things seemed to be going well on the surface.Jun 17 19:56
DaemonFC[m]I did them a giant favor by not having kids. They'll never exist so they wouldn't know that, but I did them a favor.Jun 17 19:57
kingoffrance9/11 was pretty insane, i dont think bush even his supported ran around like they do with trump saying he is really a genius with some mastermind plan...everyone just accepted bush II was an idiotJun 17 19:58
kingoffrancethere was no "hes our last hope" etc.Jun 17 19:58
kingoffranceso i agree somewhat, it was crazy, but not like nowJun 17 19:58
DaemonFC[m]Bush had a 90% approval rating for a few months, and it faded when some people started realizing what Iraq would turn into.Jun 17 19:59
DaemonFC[m]It was too late.Jun 17 19:59
kingoffranceits just been lurching from crisis to crisis for a long timeJun 17 20:00
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kingoffrancei predict whatever happens, they will do more of these color-coded crisis measurementsJun 17 20:00
kingoffrancethat does seem to be a constantJun 17 20:01
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DaemonFC[m]<kingoffrance "theres a red/orange/yellow/green"> Lewis Black was talking about how nobody even knows what to do when they say orange alert or whatever.Jun 17 22:36
DaemonFC[m]We've been on threat level Orange for the last few years now.Jun 17 22:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-NVIDIA, Intel Post New Windows 10 Graphics Drivers For WSL2 Linux App Support - PhoronixJun 17 22:52
schestowitzsee commentsJun 17 22:52
schestowitzI did...Jun 17 22:52
psydroidMS, Intel and Nvidia trying to put the genie back into the bottleJun 17 22:52
schestowitzzoobab: they all suckJun 17 22:54
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schestowitzpsydroid: not many people use this anywayJun 17 22:55
schestowitzso I think phoronix may be helping MicrosoftJun 17 22:55
schestowitzhe also did an WSL-only benchmark yesterdayJun 17 22:55
schestowitzwhich I think was pointlessJun 17 22:55
schestowitzanything for traffic/hitsJun 17 22:55
psydroidyesJun 17 22:55
schestowitzI confronted Michael about itJun 17 22:55
schestowitzhe told me it's for "entertainment"Jun 17 22:56
DaemonFC[m]So is pornhub and psychic hotlines.Jun 17 22:56
DaemonFC[m]Gambling too, because the state doesn't want to admit it's encouraging a nasty addiction that leads to suffering.Jun 17 22:57
DaemonFC[m]I knew marijuana would happen when the state was having a severe budget crisis.Jun 17 22:57
DaemonFC[m]Double whammy. Tax money and dump out the prisons.Jun 17 22:57
DaemonFC[m]Frame it as a social justice issue instead of "Illinois is too broke to keep maliciously prosecuting minorities in this particular way.".Jun 17 22:58
DaemonFC[m]:)Jun 17 22:58
DaemonFC[m]Trump had been desperately looking for a way to put the pin back in the COVID-19 grenade then decided to lob it at the governors and switch to "law and order" after the mass unemployment and police brutality sparked riots.Jun 17 23:00
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DaemonFC[m]The worst of the AIDS epidemic didn't start to subside until people started wearing condoms because they saw what it was doing to people.Jun 17 23:08
DaemonFC[m]The federal government was no help at all and most of the US contribution to the AIDS research of the 1980s was a fraud named Robert Gallo who claimed he isolated a virus that some French researchers sent him to study and then named it, incorrectly, HTLV III.Jun 17 23:09
DaemonFC[m]Anyway, you'd think that people would wear a simple surgical mask if it was any sort of protection at all.Jun 17 23:11
DaemonFC[m]I mean, the effort to get at least partial protection from the Coronavirus is minimal.Jun 17 23:12
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DaemonFC[m]The Republicans are cheering on the prospect of a mass culling that will mostly affect them.Jun 17 23:13
DaemonFC[m]By the time a vaccine gets a lid on this, upwards of 300,000 Americans will be dead. Maybe 400,000.Jun 17 23:14
MinceR"hey grim reaper, lend me your sickle / the world needs some culling, blood needs to trickle!"Jun 17 23:15
DaemonFC[m]That's almost as good as "Here I sit all brokenhearted. Came to shit, but only farted.".Jun 17 23:17
MinceR:>Jun 17 23:18
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Zlad - I Am The Anti-Pope - YouTubeJun 17 23:18
XRevan86If pope means father…Jun 17 23:19
XRevan86anti-father… I got nothingJun 17 23:19
psydroidMS going after Rust, Gemini, ML etc. etc.Jun 17 23:22
MinceRthey also went after python, didn't they?Jun 17 23:22
psydroidGithub makes it much easier for them to figure out what to targetJun 17 23:23
psydroidyesJun 17 23:23
psydroidoffering courses to learn Python using Azure on EdXJun 17 23:23
psydroidI must say they do their infiltration job very wellJun 17 23:24
schestowitz 17 23:24
schestowitznow amd alsoJun 17 23:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Radeon Software Adrenalin 2020 Edition Updated With WSL Support - PhoronixJun 17 23:24
psydroidbut once you see through it, you know to avoid it all like the plagueJun 17 23:24
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psydroidso Phoronix is becoming another Windows siteJun 17 23:26
psydroidthat's good to knowJun 17 23:26
MinceR"is becoming"?Jun 17 23:27
MinceRthey've been attacking free OSes with their headlines for yearsJun 17 23:27
psydroidI've never see so many Windows headlines, thoughJun 17 23:28
psydroidor maybe I haven't been paying attentionJun 17 23:28
psydroidI've always maintained that true solutions for Linux will come from companies that aren't tied to the Wintel ecosystem, but I have yet to see if and what a company such as Esperanto Technologies will come up withJun 17 23:31
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schestowitzwow, for wsl1 no user number change in over a year 17 23:46
schestowitzwsl2 is like 150kJun 17 23:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-3.5 million Windows Subsystem for Linux users can now use GPU Compute from Linux on Windows - MSPoweruserJun 17 23:46
schestowitzthis one is the same as ages agoJun 17 23:46
schestowitzso it is not growingJun 17 23:46
schestowitzpsydroid: I agree with mincerJun 17 23:46
schestowitzit's a longstanding issue with LarabelJun 17 23:46
schestowitzI cannot convince him otherwiseJun 17 23:47
schestowitzlet me just dump these thoughts in IRCJun 17 23:47
schestowitzI have just checked news about "Linux", "ubuntu" etc.Jun 17 23:47
schestowitzthe usual culprits emplify wslJun 17 23:47
schestowitzomgubuntu, phoronixJun 17 23:47
schestowitzeven multiple times eachJun 17 23:47
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: At least I can do my psychiatrist appointments over the phone now.Jun 17 23:47
schestowitzand it's over nothing of substance, it's hype campaignJun 17 23:47
schestowitzall in all about a dozen headline todayJun 17 23:48
schestowitzso they are googlebombing againJun 17 23:48
DaemonFC[m]Instead of burning 4-5 gallons of gas and  getting to go to lovely Chicago.Jun 17 23:48
schestowitzwriting about this would only give it more free publicityJun 17 23:48
schestowitzso maybe, at most, I'd make jokes/memes about it, without too much context as that would mean links and name recognition for this *SL crapJun 17 23:48
schestowitzeven just naming it can help themJun 17 23:48
schestowitzbrings their "mindshare" as they call it...Jun 17 23:49
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: let's talk techJun 17 23:49
schestowitznot your medical recordsJun 17 23:49
DaemonFC[m]Well, nobody can really stop Microsoft from doing WSL as long as they comply with the license.Jun 17 23:49
schestowitzyes, but the media helps themJun 17 23:49
schestowitzlike it helped "Open Source"Jun 17 23:49
schestowitzit got people to stop speaking about free software for a whileJun 17 23:49
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schestowitznow the MS-funded site amplify*WLJun 17 23:50
MinceRwell, technically they're abusing the Linux brandJun 17 23:50
DaemonFC[m]Well, they gave me a choice between Zoom or a phone call. After everything I've heard of Zoom, I selected the phone call.Jun 17 23:50
MinceRbut they own the Microsoft Linux Foundation, so they aren't going to be sued for thatJun 17 23:50
schestowitzlike it's sooooo much better than this hippie Linux thing... more "professional"Jun 17 23:50
schestowitz"the boss will love it!"Jun 17 23:50
schestowitzMinceR: they areJun 17 23:50
schestowitzI have been saying it for ages, yet nobody else is willing to say the sameJun 17 23:50
schestowitzthey associate Vista10 with "LINUX"Jun 17 23:50
schestowitzit causes blur and confusionJun 17 23:51
DaemonFC[m]I wonder how much code Microsoft "contributes" to Linux that actually furthers anything I want to do with it.Jun 17 23:51
schestowitzfor a while many thought MacOS was "like linux"Jun 17 23:51
MinceRfrom what i've seen, the code they "contribute" is absolute garbageJun 17 23:51
schestowitzhyper-V, related stuff.... Phoronix says they want to merge WSL crap ... into the kernel!Jun 17 23:51
schestowitzWhere's Linus?Jun 17 23:51
schestowitzSilenced to death?Jun 17 23:51
schestowitzIt would be "hate" to reject the PRJun 17 23:52
DaemonFC[m]Obviously, hyper-v has nothing to do with Linux. It doesn't affect you though because the module isn't used outside of Linux as a Windows guest, but the media played that up. Then brushed off the fact that the code was crap and that Novell paid Greg KH to fix it.Jun 17 23:52
schestowitz(pull req, not public rel)Jun 17 23:52
MinceRthey did compromise the quality control of Linux to get it in, thoughJun 17 23:52
schestowitzit was a gpl violation tooJun 17 23:52
DaemonFC[m]If anything, paying someone to fix hyper-v when they could be working on something else was a net negative for people who want to use Linux.Jun 17 23:52
MinceRthey used to not merge drivers that did something another driver was already doingJun 17 23:53
schestowitzabout 18k lines of code, pushed by some microsofter with a danish nameJun 17 23:53
schestowitzthe whole thing is a messJun 17 23:53
MinceRand i doubt that Linux would have accepted a patch that has /etc/init.d/network restart hardcoded into it back when it was independentJun 17 23:53
schestowitzbut nobody talks about itJun 17 23:53
schestowitzI thought about pasting some links hereJun 17 23:53
schestowitzbut bot and people would give it more hitsJun 17 23:53
DaemonFC[m]Srinivasan I think?Jun 17 23:53
MinceRsounds indianJun 17 23:53
schestowitzwe need to send the message people have no interest in this EEE plot, and won't participateJun 17 23:54
schestowitzI don't want to start fighting with sites over it, like I did back in the mono days any time a journo boosted it in linuxJun 17 23:54
schestowitz*insideJun 17 23:54
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: that's different workJun 17 23:54
schestowitzI have not even come across his name for yearsJun 17 23:54
schestowitzmaybe he made himself obsolete, having become associated with MSFT entryismJun 17 23:55
schestowitzand iirc he may have worked for novell prior to thatJun 17 23:55
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft is clearly on the way out. They tried to mimic Apple's business model of consumer stuff and that went nowhere because Windows and the Zune and Windows Phone were horrid and nobody was going to pay premiums for junk that doesn't work right.Jun 17 23:55
DaemonFC[m]The servicing stack in Windows has deteriorated to its worst state ever. At least you could make Windows 7 updates install usually.Jun 17 23:56
DaemonFC[m]Now they have this idea that they'll be an alternative to IBM or AWS.Jun 17 23:56
MinceRwe'll need more non-x86 non-uefi computers to be able to get rid of microslothJun 17 23:56
MinceRmaybe just non-uefi if some x86 licensee is willing to make non-hostile CPUsJun 17 23:56
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: The idea that there are pro-Microsoft trolls that aren't being paid is hilarious considering that their stuff barely even works at all if you're lucky.Jun 17 23:57
MinceRthey get paid in gratis licensesJun 17 23:57
DaemonFC[m]People love things that work, not things that make their lives more frustrating.Jun 17 23:57
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: reverse bribesJun 17 23:58
schestowitzthey might get hired for something laterJun 17 23:58
schestowitzrewarded AFTER the actJun 17 23:58
DaemonFC[m]If WavPack was still proprietary, I would have steered clear of it for the same reason I've stayed clear of other formats that depend on non-Free software.Jun 17 23:58
schestowitzpeople learn to breathe in rich people's fartsJun 17 23:58
DaemonFC[m]I don't want a program that litters my hard drive with files I may never be able to get the data back out of. People say such concerns are crazy.Jun 17 23:59
schestowitzassuming it might spread some money their wayJun 17 23:59
schestowitzand those aren't the people you want to associate with... there's an ethnic correlation too imeJun 17 23:59

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