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| schestowitz | XRevan86: https://www.kdab.com/kdab-at-c-russia-saint-petersburg/ | Oct 17 00:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-KDAB at C++ Russia, Saint Petersburg - KDAB | Oct 17 00:55 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: A serious conference with serious prices. | Oct 17 01:01 |
| schestowitz | near you? | Oct 17 01:01 |
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| *schestowitz only recently found out the exact location of S.P. on the map | Oct 17 01:01 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Near Pulkovo apparently | Oct 17 01:02 |
| XRevan86 | Not far, but with public transportation very far. | Oct 17 01:03 |
| XRevan86 | But then again, cost of getting a cab is practically zero compared to the cost of attending (: | Oct 17 01:04 |
| *schestowitz almost never attends such events | Oct 17 01:05 | |
| XRevan86 | Oh, it's actually near the metro station Moskovskaya | Oct 17 01:07 |
| XRevan86 | I can get there in 1.5 hours | Oct 17 01:07 |
| XRevan86 | from home | Oct 17 01:07 |
| schestowitz | that's a very long time | Oct 17 01:11 |
| schestowitz | I can get on the tram quickly and to anywhere in Greater Manchester in less than an hour | Oct 17 01:12 |
| schestowitz | anyway, just thought it might be neat you and of interest | Oct 17 01:12 |
| schestowitz | (not idea if you do c++) | Oct 17 01:12 |
| *schestowitz never liked c++ | Oct 17 01:12 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mozilla: web-ext, Facebook-like business model and Rust at Microsoft GitHub http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/129374 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9d8c097e-7505-49f5-ab38-bc4d145a1267] | Oct 17 01:19 | |
| scientes | * schestowitz only recently found out the exact location of S.P. on the map | Oct 17 01:22 |
| scientes | seriously? | Oct 17 01:22 |
| scientes | its kinda linked to geography | Oct 17 01:22 |
| scientes | not nearly as hard as Moscow | Oct 17 01:22 |
| scientes | and i've never been to europe! | Oct 17 01:22 |
| scientes | The LLVM conference is $300 (was free in 2013 when I went) but I don't have to pay cause i'm a speaker | Oct 17 01:23 |
| scientes | uggggh XRevan86 schestowitz C++ is so damn complex that it needs a conference | Oct 17 01:24 |
| scientes | you would never have a C conference | Oct 17 01:24 |
| scientes | and that is why it is such a good langauges | Oct 17 01:24 |
| scientes | the problem is that "static" functions are not optimized right, so C++ can be faster | Oct 17 01:25 |
| scientes | but that is compiler problem | Oct 17 01:25 |
| scientes | probably has changed too | Oct 17 01:25 |
| oiaohm | scientes: there is a conference for C language you are talking the ISO standard conference stuff.. | Oct 17 01:28 |
| scientes | hmmm, the compiler conferences are still better | Oct 17 01:28 |
| scientes | GNU Tools Cauldron and LLVM Dev Mtg | Oct 17 01:29 |
| scientes | I can't believe people find the languages that interesting | Oct 17 01:29 |
| oiaohm | The next C standard is is aiming for release in 2022. | Oct 17 01:29 |
| scientes | OK I'm still not sure where I should go | Oct 17 01:30 |
| scientes | Spain seems too....European | Oct 17 01:30 |
| scientes | (i.e. like the US) | Oct 17 01:30 |
| scientes | but I would like to keep learning the language | Oct 17 01:30 |
| scientes | if English (the biggest language in the world ATM) wasn't my native language it would be differnt | Oct 17 01:31 |
| scientes | but speaking English is boring | Oct 17 01:31 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming: C++, Python, LLVM and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/129375 [https://pleroma.site/objects/dd491fc5-562b-42f3-92d2-4dd6f7d2e509] | Oct 17 01:34 | |
| scientes | https://www.heartmybackpack.com/blog/off-the-beaten-path-travel-tour/ | Oct 17 01:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.heartmybackpack.com | Complete Guide to Off the Beaten Path Travel in Kyrgyzstan - Heart My Backpack | Oct 17 01:36 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/129376 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a588d329-d44d-4249-8b77-b2ebdac79811] | Oct 17 01:36 | |
| scientes | (SPOILER: milking a cow is hard) | Oct 17 01:36 |
| scientes | hahahahaha, from Norway, and yet never milked anything | Oct 17 01:36 |
| scientes | (except mom of course) | Oct 17 01:36 |
| schestowitz | orally | Oct 17 01:36 |
| scientes | "Issyk Kul is one of the largest alpine lakes in the world, second only to Lake Titicaca in Peru/Bolivia. " | Oct 17 01:38 |
| scientes | uhhhh, Baikal? | Oct 17 01:38 |
| scientes | hmm I need some to travel with | Oct 17 01:40 |
| scientes | to do places like Kyrgistan | Oct 17 01:40 |
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| schestowitz | almost nothing comes out of their | Oct 17 01:43 |
| scientes | what do you mean? | Oct 17 01:44 |
| schestowitz | looks like inwards economies | Oct 17 01:44 |
| scientes | mongolia is very dependant on mining | Oct 17 01:44 |
| schestowitz | countries that merely sustain themselves with basics | Oct 17 01:44 |
| scientes | kazakstan used the rouble until russia insisted they have their own currency | Oct 17 01:44 |
| scientes | schestowitz, as opposed to countries that depend on importing all their resources? :) | Oct 17 01:45 |
| scientes | sounds like the US | Oct 17 01:45 |
| cubexyz | import raw materials but export finished goods = $$$ | Oct 17 01:45 |
| scientes | a country that doesn't export anything | Oct 17 01:45 |
| cubexyz | think japan | Oct 17 01:45 |
| scientes | cubexyz, actually britian is the classic example | Oct 17 01:46 |
| scientes | in the 19th century | Oct 17 01:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Canonical-EOY-2018-Statement | Oct 17 01:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Canonical Is At Around 437 Employees, Pulled In $99M While Still Operating At A Loss - Phoronix | Oct 17 01:46 | |
| scientes | that's what Ghandi was all about | Oct 17 01:46 |
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| scientes | DaemonFC[m], where did the money go? | Oct 17 01:49 |
| scientes | cause they don't pay that much | Oct 17 01:49 |
| samiamsam | it's $225k/employee | Oct 17 01:50 |
| samiamsam | well, they have to rent a building, pay for internet, computers. probably a few mega salaries at the top | Oct 17 01:50 |
| scientes | damn I should ask for that much then | Oct 17 01:51 |
| scientes | especially if I telecommute so there are no other expenses | Oct 17 01:51 |
| cubexyz | every canonical employee gets $225K or is that just the average? | Oct 17 01:52 |
| samiamsam | cubexyz: that's the revenue per employee, not the wages | Oct 17 01:52 |
| samiamsam | it's not the average of the wages either | Oct 17 01:52 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Canonical Is At Around 437 Employees, Pulled In $99M While Still Operating At A Loss http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/129377 [https://pleroma.site/objects/3b534182-3dff-4832-b272-feb8374ec7b5] | Oct 17 01:53 | |
| schestowitz | revenue and profits not the same | Oct 17 01:53 |
| schestowitz | they have other expenses, tax etc. | Oct 17 01:54 |
| samiamsam | right. i just mentioned some of the expenses | Oct 17 01:54 |
| cubexyz | right, it would be interesting to know the approximate wages | Oct 17 01:54 |
| cubexyz | 225k did seem pretty high | Oct 17 01:54 |
| schestowitz | maybe M.S. (Shuttleworth|) will suck up to Microsoft even harder | Oct 17 01:54 |
| samiamsam | profits are negative, revenues are positive, so it's a big difference | Oct 17 01:54 |
| samiamsam | i'm not sure what is a normal percentage of the revenues to be employee compensation | Oct 17 01:55 |
| scientes | https://indy-guide.com/en/articles/winter-tours-in-kyrgyzstan | Oct 17 01:55 |
| samiamsam | for this kind of business | Oct 17 01:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-indy-guide.com | 7 Reasons to visit Kyrgyzstan in Winter | Kyrgyzstan Blog | Oct 17 01:55 | |
| samiamsam | i'd think it'd be at least half | Oct 17 01:56 |
| scientes | maybe I can buy a cheap sail boat in a Spanish sailing village | Oct 17 01:57 |
| scientes | I'm just more of a land person | Oct 17 01:58 |
| schestowitz | samiamsam: it does seem too high | Oct 17 02:01 |
| schestowitz | the expenditure levels | Oct 17 02:01 |
| schestowitz | they have to maintain servers | Oct 17 02:01 |
| scientes | yeah, so where does the money go | Oct 17 02:01 |
| schestowitz | to build packages, serve through repos etc. | Oct 17 02:01 |
| scientes | that is my original question | Oct 17 02:01 |
| schestowitz | not sure how much that would cost worldwise | Oct 17 02:01 |
| schestowitz | *wide | Oct 17 02:01 |
| scientes | schestowitz, they don't pay for it worldwide | Oct 17 02:01 |
| scientes | the mirrors are provided | Oct 17 02:02 |
| scientes | as its free software | Oct 17 02:02 |
| schestowitz | ok | Oct 17 02:02 |
| schestowitz | still... | Oct 17 02:02 |
| schestowitz | world run by VCs | Oct 17 02:02 |
| schestowitz | sponsoring losses | Oct 17 02:02 |
| schestowitz | https://techcrunch.com/2019/10/14/uber-lays-off-another-350-across-eats-self-driving-and-other-departments/ | Oct 17 02:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Uber lays off another ~350 across Eats, self-driving and other departments – TechCrunch | Oct 17 02:02 | |
| scientes | schestowitz, wonder if it includes MS's trip to space /sarcasm | Oct 17 02:02 |
| schestowitz | in the us many companies are in debt, even large ones | Oct 17 02:03 |
| scientes | he probably wrote that off as a business expense | Oct 17 02:03 |
| schestowitz | sometimes latching onto military budget for imperial domination goals | Oct 17 02:03 |
| scientes | schestowitz, hugely | Oct 17 02:03 |
| schestowitz | EU not doing the ame | Oct 17 02:03 |
| scientes | http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2019/04/is-uss-ship-of-fools-taking-on-water.html#more | Oct 17 02:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cluborlov.blogspot.com | ClubOrlov: Is the USS Ship of Fools Taking on Water? | Oct 17 02:03 | |
| scientes | https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-JASlNECEz-U/XKOVHiN_WEI/AAAAAAAAInI/O2s-30TBkzc2-gst13GLFC0mDy6TdmQzwCLcBGAs/s1600/corporate%2Bdebt.png | Oct 17 02:03 |
| scientes | its exponential debt | Oct 17 02:03 |
| scientes | that's when you know collapse is imminent | Oct 17 02:04 |
| schestowitz | nice graph | Oct 17 02:06 |
| schestowitz | if true | Oct 17 02:06 |
| scientes | https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XNS4r6S8mSY/XKOVB_ufUzI/AAAAAAAAInE/vY82g49Wbr8Pj0zlNOBBtYqqaGxN8BUYACLcBGAs/s1600/alice%2Bwalton.png | Oct 17 02:06 |
| scientes | this one is true | Oct 17 02:06 |
| scientes | Alice walton bailing out over 1/2 billion | Oct 17 02:06 |
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| scientes | ehhh, I just am not much of a travelers | Oct 17 02:24 |
| scientes | and I still don't know where to go | Oct 17 02:24 |
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| schestowitz | manchester | Oct 17 02:26 |
| scientes | if I do land in london I will hang out for at least a day in london | Oct 17 02:26 |
| scientes | but i might get off in lisbon | Oct 17 02:26 |
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| schestowitz | scientes: london is polluted and expensive | Oct 17 02:44 |
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| scientes | yeah precisely why just one day | Oct 17 02:48 |
| scientes | I mean I would like to see Bath | Oct 17 02:48 |
| schestowitz | accommodation esp. | Oct 17 02:48 |
| schestowitz | not food | Oct 17 02:48 |
| schestowitz | but you need to stay somewhere overnight, no way around it | Oct 17 02:48 |
| scientes | because I'm such a Jane Austen fan | Oct 17 02:48 |
| schestowitz | belgrave house is cheap | Oct 17 02:49 |
| schestowitz | near the embassies | Oct 17 02:49 |
| schestowitz | we stayed there several times | Oct 17 02:49 |
| scientes | oh god, Booking is 13euros | Oct 17 02:49 |
| scientes | still way better than the states | Oct 17 02:49 |
| scientes | I am going to be camping in bay area | Oct 17 02:50 |
| scientes | (I have enough experience with that...) | Oct 17 02:50 |
| scientes | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Crescent | Oct 17 02:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Royal Crescent - Wikipedia | Oct 17 02:53 | |
| scientes | I've heard national rail is also horrible | Oct 17 02:57 |
| scientes | yeah the cost of transportation in Europe really gets to me | Oct 17 02:57 |
| scientes | as its so cheap in Peru/Colombia/Bolivia | Oct 17 02:58 |
| scientes | you can go between Lima and Arequipa for $13 | Oct 17 02:58 |
| scientes | while it costs 41lbs between london and manchester | Oct 17 02:59 |
| scientes | and that isn't even a regular fare | Oct 17 02:59 |
| cubexyz | schestowitz, did you post your N Ireland pics? | Oct 17 03:04 |
| schestowitz | I did | Oct 17 03:04 |
| cubexyz | just curious as I haven't been over there since the 1970s | Oct 17 03:04 |
| schestowitz | I thought you saw them | Oct 17 03:04 |
| schestowitz | I posted links here | Oct 17 03:04 |
| cubexyz | ok, I missed that | Oct 17 03:04 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Ireland/Belfast | Oct 17 03:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Belfast | Oct 17 03:05 | |
| cubexyz | thanks :) | Oct 17 03:05 |
| schestowitz | we took boat http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Ireland/Irish-Sea | Oct 17 03:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Irish Sea | Oct 17 03:05 | |
| scientes | > Visitors can tour the baths and museum but cannot enter the water. | Oct 17 03:05 |
| scientes | lmao | Oct 17 03:05 |
| scientes | why would you go to a bath and not bathe? | Oct 17 03:06 |
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| cubexyz | I remember the Belfast town/city hall | Oct 17 03:07 |
| schestowitz | apparently they develop fast now | Oct 17 03:09 |
| schestowitz | foreign investment | Oct 17 03:09 |
| schestowitz | mainly from the US | Oct 17 03:10 |
| cubexyz | is that an acer chromebook I see? :) | Oct 17 03:13 |
| scientes | oh so Hinkley Point C is still being built? | Oct 17 03:13 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: yes, correct | Oct 17 03:14 |
| oiaohm | scientes: something interesting about the next C standard is they are looking to bring as many features as possible from C++ to C that are ABI stable. | Oct 17 03:14 |
| schestowitz | the 15 inch model, most just 199 pounds | Oct 17 03:14 |
| schestowitz | wife's PC with croûton | Oct 17 03:14 |
| cubexyz | ah yes | Oct 17 03:14 |
| scientes | oiaohm, too forever for glibc to support <thread.h> | Oct 17 03:14 |
| scientes | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinkley_Point_C_nuclear_power_station#Political_controversy_in_France | Oct 17 03:15 |
| scientes | yeah, fuck EU | Oct 17 03:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Hinkley Point C nuclear power station - Wikipedia | Oct 17 03:15 | |
| scientes | France once loved nuclear | Oct 17 03:15 |
| scientes | but not they adopted the stupid | Oct 17 03:15 |
| scientes | *now | Oct 17 03:15 |
| scientes | schestowitz, nice shirt http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Ireland/Belfast/Belfast-Town-Hall/20190826_100739 | Oct 17 03:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | 20190826 100739 | Oct 17 03:17 | |
| cubexyz | many different opinion on nuclear energy | Oct 17 03:17 |
| schestowitz | haha, bad photo | Oct 17 03:17 |
| schestowitz | I'm full of breakfast | Oct 17 03:17 |
| oiaohm | scientes: what has really taken too long is the deprecated attribute to make functions that are not to be used by standard. Yes we are still waiting on C2x ie the 2022 release hopefully to have that. | Oct 17 03:18 |
| oiaohm | scientes: make/mark | Oct 17 03:18 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Liberals. | Oct 17 04:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | First they complain about nuclear energy. | Oct 17 04:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then they complain when it's coal plants. | Oct 17 04:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's just no pleasing some people. | Oct 17 04:18 |
| schestowitz | both are bad | Oct 17 04:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nuclear base load stations make a lot of sense, but putting them in areas where you know there will be earthquakes and tsunamis is flat out stupid. | Oct 17 04:19 |
| schestowitz | and you mean greens maybe | Oct 17 04:19 |
| schestowitz | US establishment liberals are onboard oil industry too | Oct 17 04:19 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: there's also a waste problem | Oct 17 04:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, which was made worse by the anti-nuclear movement. | Oct 17 04:19 |
| schestowitz | Chernobyl was not due to a natural disaster | Oct 17 04:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They kept us on old reactor designs because it's so hard to get a permit, and the damned things make 10 times more waste. | Oct 17 04:20 |
| schestowitz | imagine how much worse it'll get in war bombings and blitzes | Oct 17 04:20 |
| schestowitz | you can weaponise these against a a foreign population, give them cancer | Oct 17 04:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There hasn't been a major world war in two generations now. | Oct 17 04:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You want to nuke someone, you just nuke them. That's probably why there hasn't been a major war. | Oct 17 04:21 |
| schestowitz | not true | Oct 17 04:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can only go to war against people who don't have WMDs, which is why everyone wants them now. | Oct 17 04:21 |
| schestowitz | that's a nuclear weapons' propaganda line | Oct 17 04:21 |
| Polar_Bear | I think they meant fallout from damaged storage and reactors | Oct 17 04:21 |
| schestowitz | we got very close to nuclear war many times | Oct 17 04:21 |
| schestowitz | maybe 100 times | Oct 17 04:21 |
| schestowitz | a dozen times super-close to it | Oct 17 04:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They claim that's what happened, anyway. | Oct 17 04:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I honestly don't think anyone wants a nuclear exchange. | Oct 17 04:22 |
| schestowitz | https://www.democracynow.org/2019/7/5/an_hour_with_noam_chomsky_on | Oct 17 04:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's no way to win. You use them, they use them. Everyone dies. | Oct 17 04:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.democracynow.org | An Hour with Noam Chomsky on Fascism, Nuclear Weapons, Climate Change, Julian Assange & More | Democracy Now! | Oct 17 04:23 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: k e | Oct 17 04:23 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: one day someone will | Oct 17 04:23 |
| schestowitz | likely Pakistan and India first | Oct 17 04:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You notice that there haven't been any direct wars between nuclear powers. | Oct 17 04:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Proxy wars like Afghanistan, Korea, Vietnam. | Oct 17 04:23 |
| pav5088 | Even if you build a perfect reactor disposing of waste is problematic. eg. in europe the Mafia has become heavily involved, and there are rusting barrels of the stuff in every ocean of the world, not to mention some irradiated Italian farmland. | Oct 17 04:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We have a solution. | Oct 17 04:24 |
| pav5088 | I believe there is a childhood brain cancer spike around some city or other. | Oct 17 04:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Just dump it in a retrofitted salt mine in Nevada. | Oct 17 04:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nobody gives a fuck. It's out there in the ass end of nowhere. | Oct 17 04:24 |
| pav5088 | I think a cache of nuclear weapons is in Syria on a US base there somewhere. That fact was leaked unfortunately, so if Turkey wants to become and overnight nuclear power..... | Oct 17 04:27 |
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| pav5088 | I think detonators are the problem though. They need to be replaced semi-regularly... | Oct 17 04:29 |
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| superkuh | There are US nuclear weapons in Turkey itself. | Oct 17 04:40 |
| schestowitz | about 50 apparently | Oct 17 04:43 |
| schestowitz | says ny times this month | Oct 17 04:43 |
| schestowitz | turkey is in nato :-) | Oct 17 04:43 |
| schestowitz | says a lot about nato tbh | Oct 17 04:43 |
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| schestowitz | https://support.startpage.com/index.php?/Knowledgebase/Article/View/1260/17/who-are-the-owners-of-startpage | Oct 17 04:56 |
| schestowitz | sold to spying | Oct 17 04:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-support.startpage.com | Who are the owners of Startpage? - Startpage.com Support | Oct 17 04:56 | |
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| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/di5rn3/startpage_is_now_owned_by_an_advertising_company/ | Oct 17 05:13 |
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| cubexyz | replacing 10-year old ATX power supply in cubebox | Oct 17 05:51 |
| cubexyz | well, 9 years at least | Oct 17 05:51 |
| cubexyz | probably will buy one of those corsair expensive ones soon | Oct 17 05:52 |
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| cubexyz | oiaohm, we'll see if the server can last to 30 years eh? | Oct 17 05:57 |
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| schestowitz | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | Oct 17 06:26 |
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| kaniini | > Not only is human sexual behavior not a topic on which RMS has adequate expertise, but also his positions appear to ignore significant research and widely available information on the subject. | Oct 17 07:16 |
| kaniini | wew | Oct 17 07:16 |
| kaniini | bkuhn tell us how you really feel | Oct 17 07:16 |
| jagadees | did stallman pushed his ideas on sex in freesoftware community? | Oct 17 07:20 |
| jagadees | {i am an outsider to community) | Oct 17 07:20 |
| schestowitz | kaniini: protecting women | Oct 17 07:25 |
| schestowitz | he ousts rms | Oct 17 07:25 |
| schestowitz | because rotecting women | Oct 17 07:25 |
| schestowitz | rms did not sexually assault any | Oct 17 07:25 |
| kaniini | RMS did not sexually assault any, but | Oct 17 07:25 |
| schestowitz | but that does not matter | Oct 17 07:25 |
| schestowitz | opinions can hurt some | Oct 17 07:26 |
| kaniini | he is certainly not on the right side of MeToo | Oct 17 07:26 |
| schestowitz | i may have offended every religion | Oct 17 07:26 |
| schestowitz | rms posts many links in support of metoo | Oct 17 07:26 |
| schestowitz | unlike robertson | Oct 17 07:27 |
| schestowitz | some 'conservatives' in fossland | Oct 17 07:27 |
| schestowitz | rms is also very pro-lgbt | Oct 17 07:27 |
| schestowitz | that does not check in bkuhn's list | Oct 17 07:27 |
| kaniini | http://stallman.org/antiglossary.html | Oct 17 07:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | Anti-Glossary | Oct 17 07:27 | |
| schestowitz | it's a set of traps | Oct 17 07:28 |
| kaniini | Sexual assault: The term is applied to a broad range of actions, ranging from stealing a kiss to rape, as well as other things in between. It acts as propaganda for treating them the same. | Oct 17 07:28 |
| kaniini | There seems to be an exception for TSA agents, however. | Oct 17 07:28 |
| kaniini | The term is further stretched to include sexual harassment, which is not a specific act, but rather a pattern of acts that amounts to a form of gender bias. Gender bias is rightly prohibited in certain situations for the sake of equal opportunity. | Oct 17 07:28 |
| kaniini | I don't think that rape should be treated like stealing a kiss, so I reject the term "sexual assault" completely. | Oct 17 07:28 |
| schestowitz | to impose orthodoxy | Oct 17 07:28 |
| MinceR | https://full.pr0gramm.com/2019/07/28/c7b74fbf02bd66cf.jpg | Oct 17 07:31 |
| jagadees | they have to specify violent sexual assault and non violent sexual assault. | Oct 17 07:36 |
| jagadees | or find 2 different words. | Oct 17 07:36 |
| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j-dbpcVSm0 | Oct 17 07:36 |
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| MinceR | nonviolent assault is the best kind of assault | Oct 17 07:36 |
| MinceR | it's like peaceful war | Oct 17 07:36 |
| jagadees | haha | Oct 17 07:37 |
| jagadees | thats why they have to find a new word | Oct 17 07:37 |
| jagadees | simply saying assault means its a violent assault. | Oct 17 07:37 |
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| jagadees | the current issue also stallman says the same thing. | Oct 17 07:38 |
| MinceR | oh no, i've committed heresy | Oct 17 07:40 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz live span is a factor of quality of new parts, cooling and usage. | Oct 17 07:52 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: so in theory a lightly used server with good cooling should do 30 years. | Oct 17 07:53 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: but most things don't get ideal. | Oct 17 07:53 |
| oiaohm | jagadees: the law has a assault as physical and mental . https://answers.uslegal.com/criminal/assault/23815/ Yes yell at someone the the wrong words in different areas of the USA is legally assault. | Oct 17 07:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-answers.uslegal.com | Is Verbal Abuse Considered a Form of Assault? Assault Legal Questions & Answers | Oct 17 07:55 | |
| jagadees | in mental assault there is only mental assault | Oct 17 07:56 |
| oiaohm | kaniini: reject the term sexual assault is fine when you are not in a management position. | Oct 17 07:56 |
| jagadees | but in physical assault there is mental and physical assault. | Oct 17 07:56 |
| kaniini | oiaohm: that is my point | Oct 17 07:57 |
| jagadees | from the victim's perspective | Oct 17 07:57 |
| kaniini | i think i am going to mute this channel for a while | Oct 17 07:57 |
| kaniini | bluntly if you have a penis, i really don't care about your opinions on sexual assault | Oct 17 07:57 |
| jagadees | so they are different in weight | Oct 17 07:57 |
| jagadees | need to find 2 different words. | Oct 17 07:58 |
| oiaohm | jagadees: the problem with RMS is while he was president FSF he was also basically in the CEO role of the GNU foundation for day to day things. This has the requirements you need to what the legal meaning of what sexual assault is so if something comes past you desk that need to be reported to the police you do. | Oct 17 07:59 |
| MinceR | http://existentialcomics.com/comic/275 | Oct 17 07:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-existentialcomics.com | The Vienna Circle Solves Humor - Existential Comics | Oct 17 07:59 | |
| oiaohm | jagadees: that all about providing a safe workplace. | Oct 17 07:59 |
| jagadees | i can say what kaniini said is an assault. | Oct 17 08:00 |
| kaniini | you can say whatever you want | Oct 17 08:00 |
| oiaohm | There are legal defines. | Oct 17 08:00 |
| jagadees | so the assault has no meaning | Oct 17 08:00 |
| oiaohm | They are a lot broader than most people think. | Oct 17 08:00 |
| jagadees | they want to make it like that. | Oct 17 08:01 |
| jagadees | 100 years ago do we had the same issue? | Oct 17 08:01 |
| MinceR | mental assault | Oct 17 08:01 |
| *MinceR uses Ego Whip | Oct 17 08:01 | |
| kaniini | yeah 100 years ago women and minorities were just told to sit down and shut the fuck up | Oct 17 08:01 |
| kaniini | lets bring back the KKK | Oct 17 08:01 |
| MinceR | no need | Oct 17 08:01 |
| oiaohm | jagadees: https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/assault This here has the common law define. | Oct 17 08:01 |
| MinceR | they're still around | Oct 17 08:01 |
| kaniini | see how stupid your argument | Oct 17 08:01 |
| jagadees | when they asked about justice | Oct 17 08:01 |
| kaniini | is | Oct 17 08:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com | Assault legal definition of assault | Oct 17 08:01 | |
| jagadees | the same rulers using our talking points against us | Oct 17 08:02 |
| jagadees | to divide us | Oct 17 08:02 |
| oiaohm | Yes that is what assualt in court means be it UK, USA, Australia, france, japan... Lots places. | Oct 17 08:02 |
| jagadees | to make us finght each other | Oct 17 08:02 |
| kaniini | yeah? | Oct 17 08:03 |
| kaniini | so perhaps the solution is to ignore the fake controversy | Oct 17 08:03 |
| kaniini | and let the FSF work out it's personnel issue | Oct 17 08:04 |
| jagadees | fsf is for software freedom of users | Oct 17 08:04 |
| kaniini | no shit? | Oct 17 08:04 |
| jagadees | work on it, thats all | Oct 17 08:04 |
| MinceR | it used to be | Oct 17 08:04 |
| MinceR | now it's for the freedom of redhat/ibm | Oct 17 08:05 |
| oiaohm | FSF still has to have proper management. Not everyone should be in management positions. | Oct 17 08:05 |
| jagadees | why we worry | Oct 17 08:05 |
| kaniini | and what actual work have you done? | Oct 17 08:05 |
| jagadees | because the current move will eventually end the movement | Oct 17 08:05 |
| jagadees | thats the only reason. | Oct 17 08:05 |
| kaniini | what actual work have you done? | Oct 17 08:06 |
| jagadees | nothing about safety or violence or human right etc | Oct 17 08:06 |
| kaniini | what actual work have you done? | Oct 17 08:06 |
| kaniini | i want to see git repos | Oct 17 08:06 |
| kaniini | not more of your whining | Oct 17 08:06 |
| kaniini | get to it | Oct 17 08:06 |
| oiaohm | Please note the define of assault countries with laws based off UK/France with all the long wordness of that define has been stable for 200+ years without a change. | Oct 17 08:07 |
| kaniini | as linus says, "talk is cheap. show me the code." | Oct 17 08:07 |
| jagadees | haha thats a trap | Oct 17 08:07 |
| jagadees | this movement is about politics of software | Oct 17 08:07 |
| kaniini | since you don't want to say what you've done, i am going to just assume you are a troll | Oct 17 08:07 |
| oiaohm | The law around assault go in and out of enforcement. | Oct 17 08:07 |
| kaniini | welcome to my ignore list, have a nice life | Oct 17 08:08 |
| jagadees | you are assaulting me | Oct 17 08:08 |
| oiaohm | jagadees: "There can be no assault if the act does not produce a true apprehension of harm in the victim. " <<Are you sure. The legal define has a requirement before you say it assault. | Oct 17 08:09 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19101413 | Oct 17 08:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Oct 17 08:10 | |
| jagadees | its harm to me | Oct 17 08:10 |
| oiaohm | jagadees: there is a legal define of harm as well. | Oct 17 08:11 |
| jagadees | can you explain | Oct 17 08:11 |
| oiaohm | The fun of being in management at times. | Oct 17 08:11 |
| jagadees | as per law | Oct 17 08:11 |
| kaniini | all i will say is that as a rape victim i am not really enthusiastic about many things stallman have to say about this topic | Oct 17 08:12 |
| kaniini | which is one of the reasons why i wandered off and started doing my own thing instead of working on GNU code | Oct 17 08:12 |
| kaniini | do i think he should have been ousted ? no | Oct 17 08:13 |
| kaniini | but he is not squeaky-clean either | Oct 17 08:13 |
| oiaohm | From legal he was required to be moved out of being president of FSF. Like he could have been pushed back to be a normal board member. | Oct 17 08:14 |
| oiaohm | With no direct operational control on reported issues. | Oct 17 08:14 |
| jagadees | i dont know what to say with my bad english and non english culture to the issues you faced. it may seems harsh. | Oct 17 08:18 |
| jagadees | stallman or any other person cannot talk consideting all the bad thing capitalism does to people. | Oct 17 08:18 |
| jagadees | everybody has some bad things they faced. | Oct 17 08:18 |
| jagadees | all we can do is unite and fight against the system. | Oct 17 08:18 |
| oiaohm | To consider Linux Torvalds was shocked to find out a person who got a free air-fair and accommodation at a Linux Plumbers conference due to code submits was in fact 10 years old. So those working on open source are not always Adults so the management bar does need to be quite high. | Oct 17 08:18 |
| oiaohm | RMS really has not been good choice for the highest level of management when you consider the people here is managing and the point of views he had. | Oct 17 08:19 |
| oiaohm | here/he | Oct 17 08:20 |
| oiaohm | Really its been luck RMS stayed as FSF president as long as he did. | Oct 17 08:21 |
| jagadees | if you are in M$ and you dont like the company all you have to do is just resign and go. all of your work is gone. | Oct 17 08:21 |
| jagadees | with free software you are free. you can resign and branch out from the team and work on | Oct 17 08:21 |
| oiaohm | Even in a place like Microsoft/Google a person might be promoted to a management position found not suitable and demoted. | Oct 17 08:22 |
| oiaohm | Its as I said not everyone is suitable for a management position. RMS has been out of alignment with the law and in a management position you need to be in alignment with the law so you report stuff to police when you should if it comes up. | Oct 17 08:23 |
| jagadees | those who ok with him lets work there | Oct 17 08:24 |
| jagadees | simple thing. | Oct 17 08:24 |
| jagadees | why making it an issue in the front page | Oct 17 08:24 |
| jagadees | on exact day when NY times wrote an article about sex traffickers connection to industry sweetheart. | Oct 17 08:25 |
| oiaohm | With a resign not just a demotion it is in fact required to advertise that it happen. USA company/organization regulations. | Oct 17 08:26 |
| oiaohm | around board members to be exact. | Oct 17 08:26 |
| jagadees | then file a case against him | Oct 17 08:26 |
| oiaohm | That is not a case against him. That a requirement of those still managing it if they don't want a case against them for miss management. | Oct 17 08:27 |
| oiaohm | basically when you resign from a board you cause things to happen. | Oct 17 08:28 |
| oiaohm | RMS timing of submitting resign really was not ideal. | Oct 17 08:28 |
| jagadees | there is no board | Oct 17 08:28 |
| oiaohm | jagadees: https://www.fsf.org/about/staff-and-board << there is a board of directors with FSF. | Oct 17 08:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | Staff and Board — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software | Oct 17 08:29 | |
| oiaohm | FSF is a full blow USA organization/company structure. With all the company laws mandated actions. | Oct 17 08:30 |
| jagadees | this is a political movement. is that board against him, throw the board away | Oct 17 08:30 |
| oiaohm | No | Oct 17 08:31 |
| oiaohm | Members of the FSF board predate the Meeto stuff. | Oct 17 08:31 |
| jagadees | is there anybody in the entire movement who can say a single new sentence other than stallman says. | Oct 17 08:31 |
| jagadees | all are repeating his ideas. | Oct 17 08:31 |
| oiaohm | No | Oct 17 08:31 |
| jagadees | all of his speeches and posts are there | Oct 17 08:32 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/16262635 | Oct 17 08:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: IBM, Sept. 2019: @FSF needs more diversity. Oct. 2019: FSF Board is 20% female (as 3 men resigned). Also IBM, 1930s: let us help you with the census, Adolf Hitler A decade later: #germany lacks gays, Gypsies and Jews. #diversity | Oct 17 08:32 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- Photo by schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: https://joindiaspora.com/uploads/images/thumb_medium_2b859071975e3f8817bb.jpg | Oct 17 08:32 | |
| jagadees | nobody has an opposing word about software freedom | Oct 17 08:32 |
| jagadees | that he said 35 years ago | Oct 17 08:33 |
| jagadees | and still saying | Oct 17 08:33 |
| schestowitz | [07:36] <MinceR> it's like peaceful war | Oct 17 08:33 |
| schestowitz | Cold War? | Oct 17 08:33 |
| jagadees | i think stallman should be more powerful | Oct 17 08:33 |
| oiaohm | jagadees: Henry Poole who is still on the FSF board you have not followed his stuff have you. | Oct 17 08:34 |
| jagadees | what he says about the 4 freedoms? | Oct 17 08:34 |
| schestowitz | [07:59] <oiaohm> jagadees: that all about providing a safe workplace. | Oct 17 08:36 |
| jagadees | all i am saying is about the politics of the movement. | Oct 17 08:37 |
| schestowitz | Say groups which lobby to allow women to join the army, the battlefield, fly planes that drop bombs on families | Oct 17 08:37 |
| oiaohm | jagadees: https://civicactions.com/team/henry-poole He backs agpl more than just GPL. | Oct 17 08:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-CivicActions | Henry Poole | Oct 17 08:37 | |
| jagadees | it will be under attack all time. because it empower the public. not the few | Oct 17 08:37 |
| oiaohm | jagadees: Henry Poole has a stronger idea how far the 4 freedoms should be pushed than RMS. | Oct 17 08:38 |
| oiaohm | jagadees: and he is not the only one on the FSF board like this. | Oct 17 08:39 |
| jagadees | so limiting the 4 freedoms. right? | Oct 17 08:39 |
| jagadees | if so its against the public | Oct 17 08:39 |
| oiaohm | jagadees: how does agpl limit 4 freedomes. | Oct 17 08:40 |
| kaniini | you could just stop feeding the troll, you know | Oct 17 08:40 |
| jagadees | you against assaulting me | Oct 17 08:40 |
| jagadees | anyway i am going | Oct 17 08:40 |
| jagadees | talk you later | Oct 17 08:40 |
| oiaohm | Really RMS has got most of the invites to speak and other other people on the board who also do have very strong and valid points of view have not got the media coverage. | Oct 17 08:41 |
| kaniini | and besides, it's not like RMS has stopped running GNU into the ground | Oct 17 08:42 |
| kaniini | see also: Guile | Oct 17 08:42 |
| kaniini | i'm going to just start documenting every single abuse of power RMS does | Oct 17 08:42 |
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| oiaohm | To start GNU and FSF a rebel who really did not care what he was called was required. But we are now to the point where government and other parties are coming into open source and releasing stuff open source. So we are to the point in history now where we need a spokes person who is really presentable. | Oct 17 08:46 |
| oiaohm | Henry Poole is highly presentable. | Oct 17 08:46 |
| oiaohm | and there are other options on the FSF board. | Oct 17 08:46 |
| schestowitz | how many people even know henry | Oct 17 08:55 |
| schestowitz | public recognition is important | Oct 17 08:55 |
| schestowitz | or they will lack charisma and organisational leverage | Oct 17 08:55 |
| schestowitz | Bruce Perens or Eben Moglen would be better | Oct 17 08:56 |
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| chomwitt | oiaohm: yes. it was luck that RMS wasnt been slandered from a internet lynching mobe so many years | Oct 17 09:33 |
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| chomwitt | thanks good the twitter-inquisition help us all see the light and remove RMS | Oct 17 09:40 |
| schestowitz | he was compelled to resign | Oct 17 09:41 |
| schestowitz | he told me | Oct 17 09:41 |
| schestowitz | but was not forced or removed | Oct 17 09:41 |
| schestowitz | that would be.... ASSAULT ;-) | Oct 17 09:42 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/10/16/setting-rms-record-straight/ | Oct 17 09:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Meme: Setting the Record Straight | Techrights | Oct 17 09:42 | |
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| schestowitz | wb, jagadees | Oct 17 09:46 |
| schestowitz | meh | Oct 17 09:46 |
| schestowitz | > Having a lot of wasted effort trying to solve a systemd-caused problem. | Oct 17 09:54 |
| schestowitz | > It's taking hours to figure out and the documentation is poor. When TR | Oct 17 09:54 |
| schestowitz | > and TM are put through their upgrades, I'd lean heavily to Devuan | Oct 17 09:54 |
| schestowitz | > instead of CentOS 8. | Oct 17 09:54 |
| schestowitz | I'm not against that. | Oct 17 09:54 |
| schestowitz | At work we mostly use Debian and Ubuntu, so I am used to these. | Oct 17 09:54 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: It still does not change the fact that in comments RMS made errors that management should not. Also with Henry and the other options they have not been getting the time on stage to have a large public presence.. Lot of ways FSF has been running in a high risk of hit by bus problem for a while. | Oct 17 12:26 |
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| XRevan86 | > https://youtu.be/2j-dbpcVSm0 | Oct 17 13:45 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Reminds me of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_of_a_Government_Clerk | Oct 17 13:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Monty Python - The Dirty Fork Sketch - YouTube | Oct 17 13:45 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | The Death of a Government Clerk - Wikipedia | Oct 17 13:45 | |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: the (first) cold war wasn't exactly peaceful :> | Oct 17 14:18 |
| schestowitz | cool | Oct 17 14:18 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: It's very easy to find Moscow on a map if the map shows roads (: | Oct 17 14:49 |
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| chomwitt | schestowitz: i dont understand. he was compelled . doesnt the term imply outside force? | Oct 17 16:10 |
| chomwitt | and what was that force? | Oct 17 16:11 |
| schestowitz | sfc | Oct 17 16:11 |
| schestowitz | gnome foundaton | Oct 17 16:11 |
| schestowitz | sfc bkuhn was also in fsf | Oct 17 16:11 |
| schestowitz | so it's partly inside force | Oct 17 16:11 |
| chomwitt | ok. | Oct 17 16:12 |
| chomwitt | i accept that. the were people that wanting him out | Oct 17 16:12 |
| chomwitt | but for me is not acceptible to align with the lynching | Oct 17 16:13 |
| chomwitt | for me the most unacceptable behavior is not even for the typicalities there was no help to RMS on that lynching | Oct 17 16:15 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/06/13/a-line-in-the-sand/ | Oct 17 16:18 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/04/16/libreplanet-speech/ | Oct 17 16:18 |
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| schestowitz | obstacles were set | Oct 17 16:18 |
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| schestowitz | new: seconds ago: http://techrights.org/2019/10/17/fsf-political-correctness/ | Oct 17 16:19 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: https://media.libreplanet.org/mgoblin_media/media_entries/2056/morgan-gangwere-dark_side_of_free_software_communities_slides.pdf is is from 2018. There was a change coming and its not really about political correctness. | Oct 17 17:08 |
| schestowitz | some people don't like 'unruly' (nonconformist) people | Oct 17 17:11 |
| schestowitz | I get it | Oct 17 17:11 |
| schestowitz | I reject hat | Oct 17 17:11 |
| schestowitz | to disrupt the status quo people need to deviate and make this deviation normal | Oct 17 17:12 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: problem is not just some people. The ways rules around business are written they punish nonconformist by legal design at times. | Oct 17 17:21 |
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| MinceR | most rules are written by people who are obsessed with rules and people who are obsessed with rules are obsessed with conformity, film at 11 | Oct 17 17:59 |
| MinceR | https://full.pr0gramm.com/2019/07/28/f533a07e3ec02bcf.jpg | Oct 17 18:13 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19101355 | Oct 17 18:26 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: Is that a movement? | Oct 17 18:28 |
| MinceR | the altReich? yes | Oct 17 18:28 |
| XRevan86 | I was thinking of it more like a random collection of loud-mouth idiots. | Oct 17 18:29 |
| MinceR | more movements than you'd think are collections of loud-mouth idiots | Oct 17 18:30 |
| XRevan86 | A movement should have a stated goal and ideology, what do *all* alt-right have in common other than being Usonian vatnicks? | Oct 17 18:32 |
| MinceR | not all of them are usonians, unfortunately | Oct 17 18:32 |
| MinceR | their ideology is a reheated form of nazism, though they take offense at being called nazis | Oct 17 18:32 |
| MinceR | oh, also, they want to turn Earth into Venus 2, but they deny that too | Oct 17 18:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I just noticed Apple is listed as a member of the Alliance for Open Media. | Oct 17 18:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They've historically been an MPEG patent troll. So what gives? | Oct 17 18:40 |
| MinceR | i don't know what the AOM is | Oct 17 18:40 |
| MinceR | but it could be like hungary's memberships in the EU and the NATO | Oct 17 18:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The one behind the AV1 video codec. | Oct 17 18:41 |
| MinceR | are members obligated to contribute patents? do they get special insider info? | Oct 17 18:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, in theory you have to be a democracy that agrees to a baseline standard for human rights to be in the EU. | Oct 17 18:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | :) | Oct 17 18:41 |
| MinceR | in practice, this is only checked upon joining | Oct 17 18:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But I guess it works more like the UN where you get the Libyans and the Iranians and the Saudis and the Russians in there. | Oct 17 18:42 |
| MinceR | afterwards, they pretty much don't give a fuck | Oct 17 18:42 |
| MinceR | and the EPP and the ACRE are working to turn members into xenophobic, isolated christian fundamentalist dictatorships | Oct 17 18:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: They're not expanding anymore, and the UK is trying to leave. | Oct 17 18:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I guess they're not in the mood to expel anyone. | Oct 17 18:42 |
| MinceR | well, the EPP still has a lot more power than it deserves because most of the voters are idiots | Oct 17 18:43 |
| MinceR | and hungary is the EPP's project | Oct 17 18:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: I gave up paying attention to the UN. | Oct 17 18:44 |
| MinceR | also, even if the UK manages to leave, they might still end up in a situation where they keep paying to feed orban and his pals | Oct 17 18:44 |
| MinceR | i gave up on that too | Oct 17 18:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Half the time it was like WTF am I even watching. | Oct 17 18:44 |
| MinceR | it's enough to know that the WIPO is a UN organization | Oct 17 18:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wouldn't WIPO my ass with those fuckers. | Oct 17 18:44 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 17 18:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's bad enough that I live under American copyright and patent laws. | Oct 17 18:45 |
| MinceR | they're WIPOng your rights out. | Oct 17 18:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nobody else in the world should want to. | Oct 17 18:45 |
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| MinceR | the DMCA is the usonian version of the WIPO Copyright Treaty. | Oct 17 18:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | RIAA mission statement. | Oct 17 18:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "to protect intellectual property rights and the First Amendment rights of artists" | Oct 17 18:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Must be why they steal all their money and won't let them release their own stuff on their website, and punishes them if they try to self-publish anything at all. | Oct 17 18:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But what do I know> | Oct 17 18:47 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 17 18:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "to perform research about the music industry;" | Oct 17 18:47 |
| XRevan86 | using artists = publishing_agencies; | Oct 17 18:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Our research has shown that people like their music to be like that scene in the Fifth Element where the president squashes the roach with the shoe and the headphones go flying off the guy that's screaming. | Oct 17 18:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's why we're ruining your back catalog without your permission. | Oct 17 18:48 |
| XRevan86 | using inventors = trusts; // patents | Oct 17 18:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "to monitor and review relevant laws, regulations and policies." | Oct 17 18:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like that work made for hire thing that would let us treat our valued artists like porn stars and just pay them once. | Oct 17 18:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Since 2001, the RIAA has spent upwards of six million dollars annually on lobbying in the United States." | Oct 17 18:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So $120 million and all they got was this lousy music industry in ruins? | Oct 17 18:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Imagine what would have happened if they invested that money in taking advantage of new technology. They wouldn't even have to give Spotify and Apple a cut since they'd just be running their own stores/streaming. | Oct 17 18:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Instead, it all went to crooked lawyers and politicians and the RIAA has fired almost everyone in a cost cutting effort. | Oct 17 18:51 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: Such quality | Oct 17 19:34 |
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| *chomwitt reading the Meredith Patterson article | Oct 17 21:49 | |
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| chomwitt | reading about CoC and Libreplanet...and i wonder if CoC includes restrictions on twitterlynching from internet mobes | Oct 17 22:28 |
| MinceR | why would the crybullies restrict one of their favorite activities? | Oct 17 22:29 |
| MinceR | (audio:important) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/07/27/74054a3425ee8f08.mp4 | Oct 17 22:30 |
| chomwitt | devious cat!!!! | Oct 17 22:37 |
| chomwitt | so it seems a logical possibility that sponsors that tunnel a lot of cash even if fsfe , sfc, redhat , etc tried to impose a CoC to create a more sterilised and opensource corporota frienldy enviroment | Oct 17 22:43 |
| chomwitt | i guess the hypocrisy displayed by the same organization in amidst the rms lynching is a serious indicator that as usual the real matter here is money and not love of CoC | Oct 17 22:45 |
| chomwitt | it funny , i read the presentation on the dark side of freesoftware communities, and it says that name calling is literally childish bahavior | Oct 17 22:50 |
| chomwitt | really??? | Oct 17 22:50 |
| chomwitt | all those articles from respected internet media outlets sticking names to rms by bloating opinions are depicting childish behavior? | Oct 17 22:51 |
| MinceR | they're allowed to do it | Oct 17 22:54 |
| MinceR | the plebs aren't | Oct 17 22:54 |
| chomwitt | thats what i understand, the pleb has to follow CoC and be polite | Oct 17 22:56 |
| chomwitt | and please RMS remove those ms apple logos from your presentations spying on laptops... you alienating and disempowering many young programmers !! shame on you | Oct 17 22:57 |
| MinceR | https://full.pr0gramm.com/2019/09/30/ebf00fb18b293a00.jpg | Oct 17 22:58 |
| chomwitt | taking thousand of dollars from sponsors that spy on all of us i guess in good CoC. | Oct 17 22:58 |
| chomwitt | so in a way rms's misfortune revealed sth flawed in all the communities. Like.. can a commynity rely its health on big buck sponsors? and giving them also honourable titles just because they have the money? | Oct 17 23:01 |
| MinceR | people need to learn to stop relying on other people's minds so much | Oct 17 23:03 |
| chomwitt | thinking over it.. it very logical google or ms to not allowing speakers in their sponsored conferences call for huray on snowden. that's obvioulsy a blatant violation at least of GoogleOG | Oct 17 23:03 |
| chomwitt | GoogleOfConduct | Oct 17 23:03 |
| chomwitt | so leaving the hypocrisy aside lets be frank. You want to have an opensource community based on sponsors money and making their errants once in a while . thats fine. Dont call RMS for christ sake , put it explicity on your foundtational CoC. Allow only most CoC kinda people | Oct 17 23:07 |
| chomwitt | And if you want for not calling the founder of freesoftware...well .. lucky you!!! twitterinquisition light has lit upon you!!! | Oct 17 23:08 |
| chomwitt | sorry, i meant 'if you want an excuse for ...' | Oct 17 23:09 |
| chomwitt | goodnight !!! | Oct 17 23:09 |
| chomwitt | wow.. i fell in the CoC rabbit hole and keep falling.... | Oct 17 23:19 |
| chomwitt | now i read contributor-covenant.org | Oct 17 23:19 |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/09/30/0a3ef1c78b63a03c.jpg | Oct 17 23:19 |
| chomwitt | next i'll read Why Hackers Must Eject the SJWs from esr | Oct 17 23:20 |
| chomwitt | nice little island | Oct 17 23:21 |
| chomwitt | what's that on the top? | Oct 17 23:21 |
| MinceR | buildings | Oct 17 23:27 |
| chomwitt | did you build that? | Oct 17 23:36 |
| MinceR | no | Oct 17 23:37 |
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