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| DaemonFC[m] | > DaemonFC, dude, just leave the US, you are in such a load of shit, and life will be better if you leave | Nov 17 00:09 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | If I didn't think Canada would just arrest me and send me back, I'd run for it. | Nov 17 00:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I know it's going to get much worse here. There's only two ways forward. Either Trump ruins us or we get another Democrat that doesn't do anything with the office and leaves. | Nov 17 00:11 |
| scientes | I don't really trust anything I read in English these days | Nov 17 00:13 |
| scientes | in terms of semi-recent politics | Nov 17 00:13 |
| scientes | the problem is that you have countries far away from the English-speaking, and stuff written in English is therefore highly focused on confusing the reader | Nov 17 00:14 |
| scientes | and pushing some agenda | Nov 17 00:14 |
| scientes | Wikipedia is also notorious for its pro-CIA views on foreign policy, and quick ban-hammer | Nov 17 00:14 |
| scientes | at least in English | Nov 17 00:14 |
| scientes | I need to learn other languages just so I can have some understanding of current events | Nov 17 00:15 |
| *XRevan86 knows two languages and still has no understanding of current events. | Nov 17 00:16 | |
| scientes | I want to understand the 2008 Georgia-Russia war, as I am living here | Nov 17 00:16 |
| scientes | I suspected that the South African farmers that wanted to come here was some anti-Russia thing, but now that I am here, I can see the farm-land is amazing, and their intentions were genuine | Nov 17 00:17 |
| scientes | also they are white like the Georgians | Nov 17 00:17 |
| scientes | Afrikaans and British | Nov 17 00:18 |
| scientes | (Dutch) | Nov 17 00:18 |
| scientes | Georgians might not be titanium white, but they are certainly as white as wonderbread | Nov 17 00:18 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: In 2008 I was a lot less politically aware. I don't really know what happened then exactly. | Nov 17 00:25 |
| scientes | all I remember was tanks on the TV, and a lot of evil shit said by bitch-queen Hilary Clinton | Nov 17 00:26 |
| scientes | "On 6 March 2008, Russia lifted Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) sanctions imposed on Abkhazia in 1996, and declared them outdated, "hindering the implementation of economic and social programs in the region and is causing unjustified hardship for the people of Abkhazia."[3] The Russian decision was met with protests from Tbilisi and lack of support from the other CIS countries.[4]" | Nov 17 00:26 |
| XRevan86 | I know the story that the state media tried sold me, but my trust in it has gotten very slim after the East Ukrainian military conflict. | Nov 17 00:26 |
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| scientes | so that is the big fact there: "lifting of sanctions" | Nov 17 00:27 |
| XRevan86 | even in the footage that they show, They Lie | Nov 17 00:27 |
| scientes | but what that means is unclear | Nov 17 00:27 |
| scientes | <XRevan86> even in the footage that they show, They Lie | Nov 17 00:27 |
| scientes | of course | Nov 17 00:27 |
| scientes | although the footage of Bolivia I saw, that looked pretty real | Nov 17 00:27 |
| scientes | and my friend still their confirmed | Nov 17 00:28 |
| scientes | *there | Nov 17 00:28 |
| scientes | "Abkhazia and South Ossetia both submitted formal requests for recognition of their independence to Russia, and international community, citing the precedent of the recognition of Kosovo." | Nov 17 00:28 |
| scientes | ahhhh yes, we mentioned this a few weeks ago | Nov 17 00:28 |
| scientes | Russia still awknowledges Abkhazia | Nov 17 00:28 |
| scientes | and Putin loves to try to own the perception of Truth | Nov 17 00:29 |
| scientes | "On 21 March 2008, Russian State Duma adopted a resolution, in which it called on Russian president and the government to consider the recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia.[13] | Nov 17 00:30 |
| scientes | " | Nov 17 00:30 |
| scientes | so basically an annexation | Nov 17 00:30 |
| scientes | on 21 March 2008 | Nov 17 00:30 |
| scientes | so only really important to understand what happened before that | Nov 17 00:30 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It is. Except it's more like putting one's own puppets in charge. | Nov 17 00:30 |
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| scientes | the Breznev doctrine was no different | Nov 17 00:31 |
| XRevan86 | zh | Nov 17 00:31 |
| scientes | being here, I can see why they want it | Nov 17 00:31 |
| scientes | like Ukraine | Nov 17 00:31 |
| scientes | Brezhnev | Nov 17 00:31 |
| scientes | and it is certainly in Georgia's best interests to milk the US as much as they can while the US lasts | Nov 17 00:32 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Why they want what? Distance between them and Putin? :) | Nov 17 00:32 |
| scientes | why Russia wants it | Nov 17 00:32 |
| scientes | its really nice here | Nov 17 00:32 |
| scientes | but it isn't as important as the port of Sabastapol | Nov 17 00:33 |
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| scientes | > | Nov 17 00:34 |
| scientes | Russia's state-owned Gazprom was reported to be planning oil and gas exploration in Abkhazia beginning 1 July 2008. | Nov 17 00:34 |
| scientes | also this | Nov 17 00:34 |
| scientes | this area is super rich in oil | Nov 17 00:34 |
| scientes | the armenian church here was built with oil money of a century ago | Nov 17 00:34 |
| scientes | (there are two orthodox churches) | Nov 17 00:37 |
| scientes | <XRevan86> scientes: It is. Except it's more like putting one's own puppets in charge. | Nov 17 00:37 |
| scientes | yeah, this makes alot of sense | Nov 17 00:37 |
| scientes | Russia is pretty explicit that it works that way | Nov 17 00:38 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: The government is pretty consistent in not hiding anything deep. | Nov 17 00:39 |
| scientes | also, the Georgian language is a strong barrier to Russian enchoachment | Nov 17 00:39 |
| scientes | perhaps | Nov 17 00:39 |
| scientes | all the young people here are bi-lingual | Nov 17 00:40 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It takes a blind person to think that Russia is a representative democracy. | Nov 17 00:40 |
| scientes | same with the US..... | Nov 17 00:40 |
| XRevan86 | But try to ask Putin or Peskov or any state official whether it is. | Nov 17 00:40 |
| scientes | and democracy doesn't work that way | Nov 17 00:40 |
| scientes | *but | Nov 17 00:40 |
| scientes | I saw lots of democracy in South America | Nov 17 00:41 |
| XRevan86 | they keep making statements like "there is no censorship on Russian television" | Nov 17 00:41 |
| scientes | its a state of mind | Nov 17 00:41 |
| XRevan86 | except of course the most obvious literal censorship, yes | Nov 17 00:41 |
| scientes | hahahahahahahahahaha | Nov 17 00:41 |
| scientes | extreme liberalism can also be quite nasty | Nov 17 00:41 |
| scientes | *can also | Nov 17 00:41 |
| scientes | *can be | Nov 17 00:42 |
| scientes | s/also// | Nov 17 00:42 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: "libertarianism"? | Nov 17 00:42 |
| scientes | I mean what I saw in Cartehena, of goat carts and BMWs | Nov 17 00:42 |
| XRevan86 | Anyway, point is: Russian propaganda has always targeted the most illiterate. | Nov 17 00:43 |
| scientes | the goat carts make the BMW people look silly | Nov 17 00:43 |
| scientes | XRevan86, and soviet propoganda before that | Nov 17 00:43 |
| scientes | but USA propaganda too | Nov 17 00:43 |
| scientes | I saw it on YouTube | Nov 17 00:43 |
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| scientes | and my female Russian friend is always saying these very US-propaganda like stuff | Nov 17 00:44 |
| XRevan86 | in hopes that the common person will think "well, this doesn't look anything like what they're saying, but maybe I'm just not seeing some hidden mechanism that makes it all right" | Nov 17 00:44 |
| scientes | while Russia is closer, so its just strong distrust | Nov 17 00:44 |
| scientes | which is what happens in Russia, people don't trust a word they hear, and they also are trained to think "nothing can be changed" | Nov 17 00:44 |
| XRevan86 | And of course there are hidden mechanisms, but what they do is make it worse | Nov 17 00:45 |
| scientes | the weakness is if the macho thing fails | Nov 17 00:45 |
| XRevan86 | > they also are trained to think "nothing can be changed" | Nov 17 00:45 |
| XRevan86 | That is true. | Nov 17 00:45 |
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| scientes | domino theory | Nov 17 00:45 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: You may have noticed that Russian mocking attitude is very passive. | Nov 17 00:46 |
| scientes | US internal propoganda is all about filling people will so many lies that it is impossible for smart people to have conversations with people | Nov 17 00:46 |
| XRevan86 | Which makes it weird to see Usonians react to it %) | Nov 17 00:46 |
| XRevan86 | "this Russian guy wants to enslave $X!" – meh, that Russian guy's words mean shit | Nov 17 00:47 |
| scientes | However, I do get the impression that Poland is full of neo-nazis | Nov 17 00:47 |
| scientes | and Russian ideology would mean that won't go anywhere | Nov 17 00:47 |
| XRevan86 | Don't know, I don't interact with Polish people apart from internationally – but that's a very different cast of people. | Nov 17 00:48 |
| scientes | I like that they stand up to the invasion of the syrians | Nov 17 00:48 |
| scientes | but defending borders and dehumanizing people within ones borders is very different, but hard to keep seperate | Nov 17 00:48 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: "and Russian ideology would mean that won't go anywhere" – no, because Russians don't believe in *themselves* | Nov 17 00:49 |
| scientes | ahhhhhhhhhhhh | Nov 17 00:49 |
| XRevan86 | and not "Russians" in general, but on a personal level, oneself and one's peers | Nov 17 00:49 |
| scientes | yes, I get that | Nov 17 00:49 |
| scientes | yeah, Usonians are very different in that regard | Nov 17 00:50 |
| scientes | they believe in themselves a little too much | Nov 17 00:50 |
| XRevan86 | That does change though. Russia is getting smaller, more connected, through Internet. | Nov 17 00:50 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: "That guy made a stupid remark, this is why Trump is our president! Get him!" | Nov 17 00:51 |
| XRevan86 | A whole different perception on personal ability and so responsibility, yes :) | Nov 17 00:52 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: But weirdly, that works like a self-fulfilling prophecy. | Nov 17 00:53 |
| scientes | according to this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War#/media/File:2008_South_Ossetia_war_en.svg | Nov 17 00:54 |
| scientes | Russia even did air attacks on Tbilisi and Kutaisi | Nov 17 00:54 |
| XRevan86 | Because US media does in fact pick anything that evokes that reaction ⇒ indeed changing stuff | Nov 17 00:54 |
| scientes | XRevan86, included more and more just making shit up | Nov 17 00:54 |
| scientes | and also repeating the same thing over and over again, even when it repeatedly does not work | Nov 17 00:55 |
| XRevan86 | An amazing system of growing one's own enemies. | Nov 17 00:55 |
| scientes | indeed | Nov 17 00:55 |
| scientes | including me now | Nov 17 00:55 |
| scientes | I have to take all my money out of the US | Nov 17 00:55 |
| XRevan86 | Not what I meant. | Nov 17 00:55 |
| scientes | what do you mean? | Nov 17 00:56 |
| scientes | more than growing enemies, they just prove that their word is meaninglessnes | Nov 17 00:56 |
| scientes | *meaningless | Nov 17 00:56 |
| XRevan86 | Usonians think that Nazis can make an "ok sign" their symbol. That fear itself practically pushed that sign down their throats. | Nov 17 00:56 |
| MinceR | 17 011324 < scientes> I don't really trust anything I read in English these days | Nov 17 00:56 |
| MinceR | but this channel is in english too | Nov 17 00:56 |
| MinceR | 17 011434 < scientes> Wikipedia is also notorious for its pro-CIA views on foreign policy, and quick ban-hammer | Nov 17 00:56 |
| MinceR | i don't think their nashists are pro-CIA though :> | Nov 17 00:57 |
| scientes | MinceR, well some of it is a combination of ambivalence and incompetence | Nov 17 00:57 |
| scientes | so they just get copy-and-paste propaganda | Nov 17 00:57 |
| MinceR | "NPOV" as in the point of view of whoever wins the revert war or gets their opponents banned | Nov 17 00:57 |
| XRevan86 | "nashists" – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nashi_(youth_movement) ? | Nov 17 00:57 |
| MinceR | 17 014150 < scientes> extreme liberalism can also be quite nasty | Nov 17 00:58 |
| scientes | "Its creation was encouraged by senior figures in the Russian Presidential administration" | Nov 17 00:58 |
| scientes | oh geeze | Nov 17 00:58 |
| MinceR | i'd like to experience "extreme liberalism" | Nov 17 00:58 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: That movement is defunct. You'll love what superseded it | Nov 17 00:58 |
| scientes | Lets all talk about something that happened so long ago, that everyone that was alive then is now dead!!!!! | Nov 17 00:58 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Army_Cadets_National_Movement | Nov 17 00:58 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: yes | Nov 17 00:58 |
| XRevan86 | Youtharmy | Nov 17 00:59 |
| scientes | XRevan86, that is much better though as it is honest | Nov 17 00:59 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: "Ours" isn't honest? An honest Us-Them is it not? | Nov 17 00:59 |
| scientes | oh I see..... | Nov 17 00:59 |
| scientes | no, I don't know | Nov 17 01:00 |
| XRevan86 | > In 2016 Russian minister of defense Sergey Shoigu stated that allegations over increased militarization of Russians were "far from true". | Nov 17 01:00 |
| XRevan86 | Case and point | Nov 17 01:00 |
| scientes | ahhh yes, I also heard some have gotten reduction on their prison sentences for signing up to serve in Ukraine | Nov 17 01:00 |
| XRevan86 | This reminds me of a little story: a guy said that when he saw news that a bank is doing wonderfully, he immediately emptied his deposit. The bank closed soonafter. | Nov 17 01:03 |
| scientes | hehe | Nov 17 01:03 |
| scientes | there is alot of truth to that | Nov 17 01:03 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 17 01:03 |
| XRevan86 | That's a true story, albeit lossy. | Nov 17 01:04 |
| scientes | Russian don't really use banks AFAIK | Nov 17 01:04 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Not true. | Nov 17 01:04 |
| scientes | they just keep their money at home, and deposit it when they want to spend it | Nov 17 01:04 |
| scientes | as a payment service | Nov 17 01:04 |
| XRevan86 | This rule of thumb also works with news like "Officials say now is the time to invest in rouble" | Nov 17 01:05 |
| XRevan86 | that means it's time to sell rouble. | Nov 17 01:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | > scientes: It takes a blind person to think that Russia is a representative democracy. | Nov 17 01:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | United Russia represents all of you. :) | Nov 17 01:05 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: And maybe even you | Nov 17 01:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The results are in and it's United Russia and three Communists.... | Nov 17 01:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, they'll unite everyone eventually. | Nov 17 01:06 |
| XRevan86 | The results are in, United Russia is at an all-time high: 62.3%, other parties got 66% in total. | Nov 17 01:07 |
| MinceR | united russia represents putin | Nov 17 01:07 |
| MinceR | and nobody else needs to be represented :> | Nov 17 01:08 |
| MinceR | “Ankh-Morpork had dallied with many forms of government and had ended up with that form of democracy known as One Man, One Vote. The Patrician was the Man; he had the Vote.” ― Terry Pratchett, Mort | Nov 17 01:08 |
| scientes | MinceR, one person, one vote. Both refer to Putin ;) | Nov 17 01:08 |
| XRevan86 | Be thankful, he's wise and y'all dumb. | Nov 17 01:08 |
| XRevan86 | ^ that's also a real sentiment | Nov 17 01:09 |
| scientes | hehee, we said the same thing | Nov 17 01:09 |
| scientes | I've been reading about the Dutch Republic in the 17th century | Nov 17 01:09 |
| schestowitz | big paste coming | Nov 17 01:36 |
| schestowitz | but important (IMHO) | Nov 17 01:36 |
| schestowitz | the url is somewhere on their mailman. | Nov 17 01:36 |
| schestowitz | But 1M USD this is abusing, | Nov 17 01:36 |
| schestowitz | ---------- Forwarded message ---------- | Nov 17 01:36 |
| schestowitz | From: Molly de Blanc <mdeblanc@gnome.org> | Nov 17 01:36 |
| schestowitz | Date: Saturday, November 16, 2019 | Nov 17 01:36 |
| schestowitz | Subject: GNOME Patent Troll Defense Fund has nearly 4,000 donors! | Nov 17 01:37 |
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| schestowitz | A lot has happened since our announcement that Rothschild Imaging Ltd is alleging that GNOME is violating one of their patents. We wanted to provide you with a brief update of what has been happening over the past few weeks. | Nov 17 01:37 |
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| schestowitz | Individuals aren't the only supporters of this initial fundraiser. The Debian Project [generously reached out with a donation][2] and [Igalia also donated to support our legal efforts][3]. | Nov 17 01:37 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I give up. | Nov 17 02:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | WTF is "European" motor oil and why is it different? | Nov 17 02:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It seems to come in the same viscosity ratings as regular oil. | Nov 17 02:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "BMW has its valvetronic technology" | Nov 17 02:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Has whosiwhazzit technology? | Nov 17 02:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That sounds like another expensive failure waiting to happen. | Nov 17 02:26 |
| MinceR | it's an expensive german car, so it is | Nov 17 02:34 |
| MinceR | the gnome foundation should have reached out to their owners at ibm | Nov 17 02:35 |
| MinceR | i'm sure they can afford to fund a lawsuit | Nov 17 02:35 |
| schestowitz | haha | Nov 17 02:35 |
| schestowitz | IBM id a troll also | Nov 17 02:35 |
| schestowitz | I have an article about it on the way | Nov 17 02:36 |
| MinceR | then they know how it works and have lawyers who are experienced with it | Nov 17 02:36 |
| schestowitz | from the litigation side :-) | Nov 17 02:41 |
| schestowitz | plaintiffs | Nov 17 02:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: So if I pour European motor oil in my Chevy it'll blow up? | Nov 17 02:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like, what'll happen? | Nov 17 02:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Volkswagen already knows that if you call in with a failed valve-train, they know it is because of the oil used." | Nov 17 02:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Or because it's one of their cars. | Nov 17 02:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Let's not rush to conclusions here. | Nov 17 02:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Tim bought a VW and between the payments and repair bills, it finally got repossessed. | Nov 17 02:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was a 2009.....I was with him when it get repossessed in 2012. | Nov 17 02:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He ended up driving his grandfather's 1998 Mercury Grand Marquis. | Nov 17 02:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If he took care of it, that thing is probably still working. | Nov 17 02:52 |
| MinceR | VW designed quite a lot of shitty engines | Nov 17 02:53 |
| MinceR | dunno about the oil, the differences are probably because of regulations | Nov 17 02:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The warranty covered him through some of it, but then it turned into an endless money pit. | Nov 17 02:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Stuff that got fixed by the warranty started going out again. | Nov 17 02:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He pressed the window button and something squirted him with blue fluid. | Nov 17 02:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | European cars are just fucking crazy. | Nov 17 02:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Another problem with using the wrong oil is viscosity. If the viscosity is not matched properly, the high shearing in some engines will reduce that viscosity to the point where metal will hit metal, causing engine problems which can be severe." | Nov 17 02:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, what shocks me is that BMW is still calling for 0w40 on most of their cars. | Nov 17 02:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We don't even use 30 anymore in the US for the most part on anything recent. | Nov 17 02:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Ford says anything in 2002 or later should definitely use 5w20 (0w20 works too), and the Crown Victoria back to 1992 can if you want to. | Nov 17 02:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Japanese are pushing out cars that call for 0w16. | Nov 17 02:58 |
| MinceR | i've seen more viscous oil being recommended to reduce oil consumption in the engine | Nov 17 02:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The 1996 Crown Victoria didn't use any 0w20 between changes. | Nov 17 02:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not a drop. | Nov 17 02:58 |
| MinceR | and newer, thriftier engines (with stricter tolerances) calling for less viscous oil | Nov 17 02:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The oil cap said use 5w30. | Nov 17 02:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: I use 0w30 right now in the 2003 Impala. | Nov 17 02:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | GM never gave guidance on using 20 in it, but some people on Bob Is The Oil Guy have posted used oil analysis after using it anyway. | Nov 17 02:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nothing leads me to believe it would end in disaster, but I don't want to try it on my only car. | Nov 17 03:00 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 17 03:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The oil fill cap on the Impala says 5w30. | Nov 17 03:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm running 0w30 in it now because we get COLD winters here. | Nov 17 03:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not going to hurt anything. If anything, it gets to the top of the engine faster when it's cold outside, and the engine turns over easier so there's less wear on your starter motor and battery. | Nov 17 03:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Also, it doesn't make any engine noise at all on this Mobil 1. | Nov 17 03:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was louder than hell on Valvoline. | Nov 17 03:03 |
| MinceR | maybe it isn't running? :> | Nov 17 03:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, unless you can get up to highway speeds with the car off..... | Nov 17 03:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I mean, with Valvoline it goes "tick tick tick tick scrunch scrunch scrunch". | Nov 17 03:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's awful. | Nov 17 03:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Someone put one of those fucking FRAM filters on it too. | Nov 17 03:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So that's probably part of it. | Nov 17 03:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Those filters are the biggest pile of shit ever. | Nov 17 03:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I ask if they use FRAM before I get my oil changed. | Nov 17 03:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If they say yes, I ask can they use something else. If so, what. | Nov 17 03:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They don't have a good anti-drainback valve on them. | Nov 17 03:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Unfortunately, Walmart and a lot of these quickie lube places use them because it saves them a few cents on each car. | Nov 17 03:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But you shouldn't go there anyway. | Nov 17 03:07 |
| MinceR | (audio:important) https://i.imgur.com/kbODrWO.mp4 ( https://imgur.com/gallery/WzFUHtG ) | Nov 17 03:22 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: funnier the more I watch it | Nov 17 03:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | These new engine designs are impressive in that you don't get any more mileage or power out of them, but they break down a lot faster. | Nov 17 03:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fucking pieces of crap. | Nov 17 03:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Ford got rid of the Vulcan and mostly the Modular, and those were fantastic engines. | Nov 17 03:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Before they gave up on small cars in the US, they imported some European trash engines. | Nov 17 03:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not entirely fair. | Nov 17 04:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Those ones coming out of Ireland are at least loads better than the German and Italian ones. | Nov 17 04:12 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: "The only thing more expensive than a new German car is a used German car.". | Nov 17 05:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | $900 for a wheel bearing.... | Nov 17 05:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That is a $150 job on a car that anyone in their right mind would be driving. | Nov 17 05:13 |
| schestowitz | lol | Nov 17 05:13 |
| schestowitz | glad I stopped driving | Nov 17 05:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: It's hilarious. | Nov 17 05:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My 2003 Impala blows cold air with the air conditioner on. | Nov 17 05:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It finally had a wheel bearing fail after 263,000 miles. | Nov 17 05:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My sister in lay's 2016 BMW has air conditioning that sometimes works and a bad wheel bearing that they want $900 for. So she's driving it even though the thing's a death trap. | Nov 17 05:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She makes six figures a year. It's like "Come on.". | Nov 17 05:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | *law | Nov 17 05:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A wheel bearing going bad is a problem in so many ways. | Nov 17 05:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It'll cause gas guzzling, it'll throw off your alignment, it'll eventually ruin your power steering rack. It could fail completely and cause you to wreck. | Nov 17 05:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My mom drove the Impala long enough that it destroyed the power steering rack, a tie rod, a power steering pump..... | Nov 17 05:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | All because she couldn't be bothered to get a car that shook so badly your fillings fell out of your teeth, with a loose steering wheel, to the shop. | Nov 17 05:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When it was a $150 job. | Nov 17 05:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Women don't take care of their cars. | Nov 17 05:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And if they do change the oil, it's at a place like Jiffy Lube, which is notorious for doing improper repair and improper maintenance procedures, not actually doing the oil change and charging for it anyway, and coming out with an air filter that's not even off your car and saying it's plugged up with grass and all kinds of shit. | Nov 17 05:20 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: depends on how bad of wheel bearing the computer system in the BMW will detect something as off in a bearing well before it shows issues in many cars with wheel bearing. Being desing for german autobarn speeds it kind of touchy. | Nov 17 05:55 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: the air conditioning is 100 percent sign of eletical lemon somewhere. | Nov 17 05:55 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: I Know the bmw wheel bearing one from using them citrus fruit packing lines after they were classed as defective to be in a BMW due to the computer getting upset about minor cracking that it was in fact detecting. | Nov 17 05:57 |
| oiaohm | I mean minor cracking as in bearing crack level that about 80 of the other cars over 3 years old would have in one of the wheel bearings. | Nov 17 05:59 |
| oiaohm | That is just something where the BMW is picky. | Nov 17 05:59 |
| oiaohm | Yes it make bmw wheel beering more expensive even no genuine product because they have to be higher grade of bearing. | Nov 17 06:00 |
| oiaohm | no/non | Nov 17 06:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They need a wheel bearing warning light on a Chevy because my mom waited until it destroyed the entire steering system and the car was giving you whiplash every time you hit a bump and then handed me the car. | Nov 17 06:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Otherwise the warning light comes back, I suppose. | Nov 17 06:01 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: Chevy that is GM the last ones I had contact with any GM 2 years ago they had no computer detection of wheel issues. | Nov 17 06:03 |
| oiaohm | Let alone bearing ones. | Nov 17 06:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, a wheel bearing isn't that hard to diagnose if you know what to look for. | Nov 17 06:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Loose steering, a wump wump wump noise, a grinding noise, a clunking noise. | Nov 17 06:03 |
| oiaohm | Not hard if you have put monitoring sensors in the right place. | Nov 17 06:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The steering wheel shaking when you hit a bump. | Nov 17 06:04 |
| oiaohm | as BMW has. | Nov 17 06:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh, eventually your ABS light will come on, maybe. | Nov 17 06:04 |
| oiaohm | but it does mean BMW car computer reject bearings way sooner. | Nov 17 06:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It can ruin an ABS sensor while you're ignoring it, but that may be the least of your problems. | Nov 17 06:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If it's in the shop on a lift, just ask the mechanic to check for excessive play in the wheel. | Nov 17 06:05 |
| oiaohm | By the time the ABS light is coming on due to bearings that is already damaged. | Nov 17 06:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And see how each one of them spins. | Nov 17 06:05 |
| oiaohm | There are reasons why BMW fitted extra sensors. | Nov 17 06:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My ABS light came on around the same time. | Nov 17 06:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was the module though. | Nov 17 06:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So, ouch. | Nov 17 06:06 |
| oiaohm | The bearing sensor setup does not always manage to trigger before ABS gets harmed. | Nov 17 06:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The sensor was fine even though it was the one from the wheel with the bad bearing that the module was reporting a bad reading from. | Nov 17 06:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So the shop fixed the bearing and tie rod, and then I got an ABS light again, same sensor. | Nov 17 06:07 |
| oiaohm | Please note that may not be ABS physical damaged. the ABS calibration can be completely ruined. | Nov 17 06:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they tested the sensor. It tested good. | Nov 17 06:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I had to replace the module. | Nov 17 06:07 |
| oiaohm | So either driving with ABS that under applies breaks or over applies because its no longer calibrarted so no where near safe. | Nov 17 06:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes, I had them disconnect the module completely before I got it fixed. | Nov 17 06:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Had to drive the car for a week and didn't want it malfunctioning. It was safer to drive with ABS off than not working properly. | Nov 17 06:09 |
| oiaohm | The wheel bearing one of BMW I don't hold against them. | Nov 17 06:09 |
| oiaohm | They have some of the best systems for detecting those problems early. | Nov 17 06:10 |
| oiaohm | Now how often wires are broken in the BMW wiring system leading to strange problems I do have a real problem with bmw. | Nov 17 06:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This car had serious problems. | Nov 17 06:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Why wouldn't it? | Nov 17 06:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Old Chevy that my mom drove. | Nov 17 06:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I had to have some transmission axle seals replaced. | Nov 17 06:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then I just had them change the fluid and filter too because the pan gasket was leaking. | Nov 17 06:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | most of the engine's gaskets are new because they were pretty much all leaking oil or under recalls she ignored. | Nov 17 06:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The ABS control module was shot. | Nov 17 06:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A wheel bearing and a tie rod. | Nov 17 06:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A power steering pump, rack and high pressure return line. | Nov 17 06:12 |
| oiaohm | I would say ABS was shot due to absuse from other not repaired parts. | Nov 17 06:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | oiaohm: The control module was replaced about 6 years ago. | Nov 17 06:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But her stupid ex husband took it down and had them put a junkyard part on it. | Nov 17 06:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh yeah, and the spark plugs were badly worn to the point of notable power loss, so I had the plugs and wires replaced. | Nov 17 06:14 |
| oiaohm | I would say not a correctly certified junk yard part. | Nov 17 06:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh, it was Dave. | Nov 17 06:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She probably handed him money to fix it right and he went down there and told them to do the cheapest thing possible. | Nov 17 06:14 |
| oiaohm | I have had cars with a lot of junk yard parts in them that are good but you need to have somewhere with the test benches to certifiy the junk. | Nov 17 06:14 |
| oiaohm | cars don't end up in junk yards in most cases without something bad happening. | Nov 17 06:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh, then there was a wiring short in the door and a bad window switch. | Nov 17 06:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh my god. | Nov 17 06:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This car has had so many things done to it. | Nov 17 06:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It runs fine now. | Nov 17 06:15 |
| oiaohm | How old is that car. | Nov 17 06:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 2003. | Nov 17 06:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 264,000 miles. | Nov 17 06:15 |
| oiaohm | Number of repair is sounding like a lemon in some of the electronics from new. | Nov 17 06:16 |
| oiaohm | even for that number of miles. I livied on Australian properities. | Nov 17 06:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | GM has known quality control problems with their gaskets. | Nov 17 06:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And that's been going on forever. | Nov 17 06:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So that's probably not neglect. | Nov 17 06:17 |
| oiaohm | In Australia when doing GM/holden you use todo GM gaskets with third party gasket goo and this was even if you had it servied by GM/holden. | Nov 17 06:17 |
| oiaohm | Yes the gasket goo was a stronger gasket than the gasket. | Nov 17 06:18 |
| oiaohm | I don't know how the USA repair shops were. | Nov 17 06:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, the one freebie I got was a new front valve cover and gasket because of potential engine fire. | Nov 17 06:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It says "Dealer will replace with parts of an improved design.". | Nov 17 06:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was like, "Eh, fuck it. Let GM pay for one of their pieces of shit for once.". | Nov 17 06:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The transmission was just starting to slip. | Nov 17 06:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Luckily I was just a bit low on fluid and new seals and gasket and fresh fluid and a new filter fixed that right up. | Nov 17 06:20 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: you know something is really wrong with the gasket in the GM when you are reading the Australian holden service manual and it tell you to use RV high tempeture silicon on bothside of it. | Nov 17 06:21 |
| oiaohm | Yes that silicon is able to be the gasket in it own right. So the gasket is being used as a tear point not a gasket. | Nov 17 06:22 |
| oiaohm | With the long car races here in Australia the set of holden gaskets was not living out the race. | Nov 17 06:23 |
| oiaohm | So the solution from maker was RV high temp silicon on both sides of it. | Nov 17 06:23 |
| oiaohm | Once you do that they stop failling. | Nov 17 06:24 |
| oiaohm | It can be one of the first things people have done to a new GM stripped down and new set of seals with high temp silicon fitted here. | Nov 17 06:24 |
| oiaohm | Particularly when they are going out rural. | Nov 17 06:24 |
| oiaohm | Some of those areas to town and back is 4000km~ 2400 miles round trip. | Nov 17 06:25 |
| oiaohm | Where you do not want to lose a gasket. | Nov 17 06:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | oiaohm: Yeah, my new pan gasket looks like fucking caulk. | Nov 17 06:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's hilarious. | Nov 17 06:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | oiaohm: I heard those are mainly rear wheel drive. | Nov 17 06:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Can't get away with that here because of the winter. | Nov 17 06:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I had to drive RWD because I had a Crown Victoria for 5 years. | Nov 17 06:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was a bitch to drive it in winter. | Nov 17 06:39 |
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| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: stupid as it sound some of the desert roads in Australia RWD works out better. | Nov 17 07:57 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: corrugated roads can rip you front wheel and 4 wheel drive front end apart. | Nov 17 07:58 |
| oiaohm | Seeing a 4 wheel drive or a front wheel drive bell flop and spread the front wheels in impresssiively fatal. | Nov 17 08:00 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: its like the dune buggies in the dakar they are all rear wheel drive. On desert corrugates the less complex your steering system is the better as that is going to have the hell vibrated out of it. You drive wheels are fix direction set. | Nov 17 08:06 |
| oiaohm | Yes the holdens were designed more for desert than snow. | Nov 17 08:06 |
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| scientes | I think I am going to have to back to Debian from Ubuntu | Nov 17 12:11 |
| MinceR | 17 065545 < oiaohm> DaemonFC[m]: the air conditioning is 100 percent sign of eletical lemon somewhere. | Nov 17 12:11 |
| MinceR | ah, the sequel to Clockwork Orange | Nov 17 12:11 |
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| scientes | sequal? | Nov 17 12:17 |
| scientes | Clockwork Blue? | Nov 17 12:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: electrical lemon is what I missed typed. It something that commonly turns up with BMW in Australia where somewhere in the mass of wiring there are broken wiries. | Nov 17 12:23 |
| scientes | what is the most energy-intensive manufacturing? | Nov 17 12:23 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and normally when there is one area with screwed up wiring because they were put though the panels wrong somewhere there are multi minor faults making the complete car a lemon. | Nov 17 12:24 |
| oiaohm | Most cars are not designed these days to be be effectively rewired without taking the complete thing apart. | Nov 17 12:24 |
| scientes | that's why they should use aluminum wirigin ;) | Nov 17 12:25 |
| scientes | oiaohm, hell you can't anything on most cars | Nov 17 12:25 |
| scientes | they use fuel injection too so you can't replace the spart plugs | Nov 17 12:26 |
| oiaohm | scientes: https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/ieo/pdf/industrial.pdf most energy intensive manufacturing is a hard question. | Nov 17 12:29 |
| oiaohm | scientes: basic chemicals industry turns out to be very power consuming in fact. | Nov 17 12:30 |
| scientes | but also insanely competitive | Nov 17 12:31 |
| oiaohm | Iron and steel is about the next by percentage. | Nov 17 12:31 |
| scientes | ahhh, it counts anhydrous amonium | Nov 17 12:31 |
| scientes | amonnium | Nov 17 12:32 |
| scientes | nonferrous metals (primarily aluminum), | Nov 17 12:32 |
| scientes | that was the only one I really knew of | Nov 17 12:32 |
| scientes | and nonmetallic minerals (primarily cement) | Nov 17 12:32 |
| oiaohm | That is in fact quite away down on the list. | Nov 17 12:32 |
| oiaohm | There is not a lot of talk about improving effectiveness of basic chemical production and even possible reducing usage. | Nov 17 12:33 |
| scientes | the once was | Nov 17 12:33 |
| scientes | and still is in chemistry journals | Nov 17 12:33 |
| oiaohm | good percentage of basic chemical could be reduced by out lawing food additivies. | Nov 17 12:33 |
| scientes | they post prizes for alternate pathways | Nov 17 12:34 |
| scientes | yeah but food additives both 1) justify insane profit, and 2) justify very bland food | Nov 17 12:34 |
| scientes | hell, the Dutch had a whole empire about satiating the desire for non-bland food | Nov 17 12:34 |
| oiaohm | scientes: https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-50262547 and odd things like buggers that last 10 years without rotting. | Nov 17 12:39 |
| scientes | "This week, it's 10 years since the seemingly indestructible meal was purchased, and it barely looks a day older." | Nov 17 12:39 |
| scientes | hahahahahahahahaha | Nov 17 12:39 |
| scientes | oiaohm, they have to make sure that we don't need fermaldehyde | Nov 17 12:40 |
| scientes | the Incans would only mummify the extremely rich | Nov 17 12:40 |
| scientes | but now everyone gets the honor! | Nov 17 12:40 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: i know and i understood it | Nov 17 12:41 |
| scientes | When after three years, he detected little change in its composition, he donated the meal to the National Museum of Iceland. | Nov 17 12:41 |
| scientes | A museum specialist eventually decided they were not equipped to preserve food and it was returned to its original owner, according to Snotra House. | Nov 17 12:41 |
| scientes | "I think he was wrong because this hamburger preserves itself," Mr Smarason commented. | Nov 17 12:41 |
| scientes | sooooooooooo funny | Nov 17 12:41 |
| oiaohm | Scary part is the number of people who eat buggers like that daily. | Nov 17 12:44 |
| scientes | oiaohm, in Peru I saw corn that had been preserved for centuries | Nov 17 12:45 |
| oiaohm | Those case people went out of their way to special treat it. | Nov 17 12:45 |
| scientes | sometimes food just dries out | Nov 17 12:45 |
| oiaohm | scientes: its something that has happened multi times to mcdonalds burgers. Seam to have the exact right mix of additives to presume them long enough to dry out and last for ages. | Nov 17 12:51 |
| oiaohm | You do have to wonder if a human eats enough burgers do they get enough additives to have a self preserving dead body. | Nov 17 12:51 |
| MinceR | you could perform an experiment | Nov 17 12:53 |
| scientes | oiaohm, thats what i was saying | Nov 17 12:55 |
| scientes | all those preservatives bioaccumulate | Nov 17 12:56 |
| scientes | Russia prohibits direct flights to Georgia | Nov 17 12:56 |
| scientes | and tries to discourage tourism other ways too | Nov 17 12:56 |
| scientes | China also plays dirty politics with its rich tourists | Nov 17 12:59 |
| scientes | AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH | Nov 17 13:01 |
| scientes | As Icarus tells Dedalus in the Odyssey, don't fly too low or the sea will zap your wing's power | Nov 17 13:01 |
| scientes | wings' | Nov 17 13:01 |
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| scientes | oiaohm, ahh, but chemistry and iron/steel is powered by fossil fuels directly (and in chemistry, can only be powered by fossil fuels, as the products are directly synthesized from the fuels) | Nov 17 14:00 |
| scientes | like there are other routes to old pharmateuticals like asprin, but oil is by far the easiest pathway | Nov 17 14:01 |
| scientes | and of course ammonium | Nov 17 14:01 |
| scientes | but aluminium is only created by electricity | Nov 17 14:01 |
| scientes | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_bauxite_production | Nov 17 14:02 |
| scientes | ahh greece mines bauxite | Nov 17 14:02 |
| oiaohm | scientes: that is one of the really odd questions. Thinking china make large volume of aluminum for coinage before the industrial age. Ie in the 2000-3000BC. So there is most likely a process to make aluminum that does not need electricity. | Nov 17 14:14 |
| oiaohm | But its been lost to the sands of time. | Nov 17 14:15 |
| oiaohm | The slag piles from that historic process shows making between 200 to 300 times the amount made in modern day aluminum batches in single batches. | Nov 17 14:16 |
| scientes | hmmmmm | Nov 17 14:25 |
| scientes | it obviously needs electricity | Nov 17 14:25 |
| scientes | as that is what deionization is about | Nov 17 14:25 |
| scientes | but perhaps that electricity can be created chemically, and locally, so that they did not have to understand electricity to do it | Nov 17 14:25 |
| scientes | aluminum metal does not occur naturally | Nov 17 14:25 |
| scientes | and Napoleon gave aluminum cutlery as a higher honor than gold | Nov 17 14:26 |
| scientes | https://www.bloomberg.com/markets/commodities/futures/metals | Nov 17 14:28 |
| scientes | WTF | Nov 17 14:28 |
| scientes | no aluminum | Nov 17 14:28 |
| scientes | oh damn, I am blind | Nov 17 14:28 |
| scientes | LMAHDS03:COM | Nov 17 14:29 |
| scientes | 3Mo Aluminum (LME) | Nov 17 14:29 |
| scientes | USD/MT 1,755.00 +14.00 +0.80% N/A 11/15/2019 | Nov 17 14:29 |
| scientes | so 1,76 USD per kg | Nov 17 14:29 |
| oiaohm | scientes: Not obviously needs electricity. There a different bacteria's that collect and store pure aluminum and pure gold. Aluminum metal appears rarely naturally and normally in very small values. | Nov 17 14:40 |
| scientes | *very* | Nov 17 14:41 |
| oiaohm | If there was a processing solution china had from a bacteria like that that could explain the slag the have as well. | Nov 17 14:41 |
| scientes | but aluminum is not an essential nutrient | Nov 17 14:41 |
| scientes | unlike gold | Nov 17 14:41 |
| oiaohm | Of course we have most likely lost the high yield bacteria as well. | Nov 17 14:42 |
| oiaohm | Ie possible smelted the high yeild bacteria out of existance. | Nov 17 14:42 |
| scientes | you are telling me bacteria can actually deionize aluminum ions? | Nov 17 14:45 |
| scientes | that sounds like bullshit | Nov 17 14:45 |
| scientes | or maybe they have a use for aluminum in its ionized form | Nov 17 14:46 |
| scientes | but i doubt that | Nov 17 14:46 |
| oiaohm | scientes: http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20160613-there-are-microbes-that-eat-and-poo-nothing-but-electricity there are some quite strange bacteria | Nov 17 14:48 |
| oiaohm | I should be more exact not needing human made electricity. | Nov 17 14:48 |
| scientes | oiaohm, holy fuck | Nov 17 14:49 |
| scientes | that is awesome | Nov 17 14:49 |
| scientes | this sounds like the nature-like technology that my Putin-loving friend picked up from a UN speech and ran with | Nov 17 14:49 |
| oiaohm | It really does alter what metals you can possible find in a natural made source. | Nov 17 14:49 |
| scientes | this is the coolest thing I've seen all week | Nov 17 14:50 |
| oiaohm | of course you are not going to find like pure aluminum commonly in unliving | Nov 17 14:50 |
| oiaohm | In nature. | Nov 17 14:50 |
| oiaohm | its quite possible china killed out the best bacteria with this when they were producing all that early aluimium particularly thinking there records describe a ore we don't know. | Nov 17 14:51 |
| oiaohm | and they have ore names for the ores we know that contain aluminum. | Nov 17 14:51 |
| oiaohm | That really early china aluminum production leaves a lot of horrible questions. | Nov 17 14:52 |
| oiaohm | Mostly how and what the heck is the ore they describe to get aluminum from thinking they had other names for all the other aluminum ores we know. | Nov 17 14:54 |
| scientes | I'm having trouble finding the exthalpy of the Bayer and Hall–Héroult process | Nov 17 14:57 |
| scientes | enthalpy | Nov 17 14:57 |
| scientes | per mole of aluminum | Nov 17 14:57 |
| oiaohm | scientes: basically I expect if aluminum without man made electricity will be something super wacky. Issue is with the alluimuim coins that exist from early china we know it was made. | Nov 17 14:58 |
| oiaohm | Just the problem is how. | Nov 17 14:58 |
| oiaohm | Also the findable slag says huge volumes in were processed at once. | Nov 17 14:59 |
| oiaohm | the process today we would like need like all the USA power grid to process that volume at once. | Nov 17 14:59 |
| oiaohm | So there has to be something different in that old process in a very big way. | Nov 17 15:00 |
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| scientes | well i'm just talking about the chemical enthalpy of ionization to Aluminum hydroxide | Nov 17 15:03 |
| scientes | knowing how efficient and how much energy is actually expended is of course also interesting | Nov 17 15:03 |
| scientes | but that enthalpy is what cannot be changed | Nov 17 15:03 |
| scientes | and is the bayer process and hall-heroult process always done in the same place? | Nov 17 15:06 |
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| scientes | oiaohm, Carbothermic reduction of alumina is the only non-electrochemical process that has shown potential for aluminum production. | Nov 17 15:35 |
| scientes | https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2013/11/f4/al_theoretical.pdf | Nov 17 15:35 |
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| oiaohm | scientes: the problem is even the Carbothermic reduction process does not explain the china slag. | Nov 17 16:27 |
| oiaohm | scientes: so there is still another process out there. | Nov 17 16:27 |
| oiaohm | scientes: the problem is the china process did not start by their records from alumina. | Nov 17 16:29 |
| oiaohm | scientes: that why I had been looking at bacteria and other things to explain the odd ore to smelt from. | Nov 17 16:30 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | > MinceR: electrical lemon is what I missed typed. It something that commonly turns up with BMW in Australia where somewhere in the mass of wiring there are broken wiries. | Nov 17 18:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | oiaohm The car hits a bump and the air conditioning works again, I suppose. | Nov 17 18:13 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: yep that what you see with broken wiring somewhere. | Nov 17 18:18 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: and normamly its more than 1 broken wire ie be like the aircon + some engine sensor.... | Nov 17 18:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm guessing since it's BMW, it takes 3-4 hours to figure out which wire it is. | Nov 17 18:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because they've put it somewhere stupid and buried it under a bunch of shit. | Nov 17 18:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Lister: What's it like, then? | Nov 17 18:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Rimmer: What's what like? | Nov 17 18:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Lister: Death... | Nov 17 18:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Rimmer: It's like being on holiday with a group of Germans. | Nov 17 18:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Apparently, when BMW was new to the US, they recommended 15w40 motor oil. | Nov 17 18:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They ended up having to replace a lot of oil pumps when winter came and it dropped down to like -30 up in Minnesota and Wisconsin. | Nov 17 18:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Several other states. | Nov 17 18:33 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 17 18:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Does it just not get that bad in Germany or something? | Nov 17 18:33 |
| MinceR | "german engineering" | Nov 17 18:33 |
| XRevan86 | He's Arnold, Arnold, Arnold Rimmer | Nov 17 18:33 |
| XRevan86 | Without him life would be much grimmer | Nov 17 18:33 |
| XRevan86 | He's handsome, trim and no-one slimmer | Nov 17 18:33 |
| XRevan86 | He will never need a Zimmer | Nov 17 18:33 |
| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAhR1MLGYNU | Nov 17 18:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: I've never been stupid enough to go past 10w30, and that was in the summer time years ago, when synthetic oils were so expensive you'd just never do it unless you had to. | Nov 17 18:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I always dropped down to 5w30 for winter. | Nov 17 18:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Full synthetic oil change is like $48 with a coupon over at Car-X these days, after tax. | Nov 17 18:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's worth it for a lot of reasons, including it lasts twice as long. | Nov 17 18:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So you don't actually save money doing conventional. You're in there getting an oil change twice as often. | Nov 17 18:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can't do conventional or blend and go to 0w30, and I'm north of where I used to live. | Nov 17 18:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It gets COLD here. | Nov 17 18:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I already fought the car a little when it got to 10 F on 5w30. | Nov 17 18:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That used to just be what you did. | Nov 17 18:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 0w30 didn't exist and the oil change would have been $80-90 even if it did. | Nov 17 18:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: When I heard 15w40 was recommended by BMW initially, that's exactly where my mind went before they said anything. | Nov 17 18:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Uhhhhh, I'll bet that went well up in Minnesota." | Nov 17 18:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People buy the car in the spring or summer, yeah okay, it'll run, then you're going to blow up your oil pump by December.. | Nov 17 18:39 |
| MinceR | they don't care | Nov 17 18:48 |
| MinceR | they pay a lot of money for a german "premium" car and cognitive dissonance does the rest | Nov 17 18:48 |
| MinceR | just as it does with crApple products | Nov 17 18:48 |
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| scientes | DaemonFC[m], there are also fuel additives for the cold | Nov 17 20:01 |
| scientes | ohhhh oil | Nov 17 20:01 |
| scientes | <MinceR> they pay a lot of money for a german "premium" car and cognitive dissonance does the rest | Nov 17 20:01 |
| scientes | <MinceR> just as it does with crApple products | Nov 17 20:01 |
| scientes | *exactly* | Nov 17 20:01 |
| scientes | pay someone else to learn about what they are buying | Nov 17 20:01 |
| scientes | and get exactly what a fool deserves | Nov 17 20:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | GM's still making WTF recommendations. | Nov 17 20:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The fill cap on their newer stuff finally caught up to where Ford was in 2002 and recommends 5w20, but they say if you don't use a "dexos certified" full synthetic oil, your warranty is voided immediately. | Nov 17 20:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So if you have to use a full synthetic anyway, why not put 0w20 on the oil fill cap? | Nov 17 20:15 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | dexos certification being a warranty requirement is illegal, but I don't think anyone has sued them yet. | Nov 17 20:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The federal warranty law says if they require their own stuff, they have to provide it for free. dexos is a certification that oil makers have to pay GM for, so it's pretty obviously an attempt to flout federal law and cheat anyone who is dumb enough to buy a Chevy. | Nov 17 20:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Full synthetic oils were almost always as good or better than dexos anyway. | Nov 17 20:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they could have said "Only use full synthetic oil.". | Nov 17 20:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The oil companies do their own bullshit too. | Nov 17 20:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like 500,000 miles "engine warranty" if you register your car with Valvoline and only ever use Valvoline. | Nov 17 20:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They know that most cars fall apart around the engine anyway, and almost nobody keeps their car that long, and the "warranty" is non-transferrable wouldn't you know. | Nov 17 20:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they'll never have to stand behind it, but it does help their advertising because people will stick to Valvoline while their valves are sticking because of Valvoline. :) | Nov 17 20:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It helps them sell more oil too, because the "warranty" will say some bullshit like, you have to prove you changed it every 6 months, even though full synthetics are good for a year as long as you don't exceed the mileage. | Nov 17 20:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So you get two oil changes a year even though you may only have needed one. | Nov 17 20:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But then the oil change places are full of baloney too. | Nov 17 20:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They still put a sticker on that says 3 months or 3,000 miles, which is horseshit on any modern engine, even with conventional oil. | Nov 17 20:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So depending on whose advice you follow, you'll end up paying for something between 2-4 times as many oil changes as you really need. | Nov 17 20:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It gets expensive no matter where you're going. | Nov 17 20:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If it's a full service shop with real mechanics and you use synthetic, you might pay $250-300 for oil changes that year when you really only needed to pay $60-70. | Nov 17 20:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they might get each person to part with $2,000 or more over ten years on useless extra oil changes that were way more often than necessary. | Nov 17 20:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's no evidence that anything bad will happen with annual oil changes with full synthetic as long as you don't go past about 7,500-10,000 miles in that year. | Nov 17 20:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And if you do, you just pull in and tell them to give you an oil change at 7,500-10,000 miles. | Nov 17 20:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've never had engine sludging problems, ever. | Nov 17 20:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People are like "You'll damage your engine to save a little money.". | Nov 17 20:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "Well, there's no evidence of that and I've been doing extended drains on every car I've ever owned.". | Nov 17 20:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If your mechanic is telling you to come back every 3 months whether you need it or not, you need to ask yourself what else he's doing to you. | Nov 17 20:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | An honest shop would be putting 6 months or 5,000 miles on the sticker if they wanted to make a general recommendation on conventional oil that applied broadly to most cars. | Nov 17 20:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's no manufacturer that I know of who recommends more frequent oil changes than that, and that's the SEVERE SERVICE schedule today. | Nov 17 20:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But you still need to check your oil level every month or so and top off if needed. | Nov 17 20:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You don't want to end up voiding your customer's warranties, but if you're honest, you won't recommend services that they definitely don't need. | Nov 17 20:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 6 months or 5,000 is for conventional though. Many cars made in the last 8-9 years forbid conventional oil outright. | Nov 17 20:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So if you're dealing with one of those, you'll refuse to put conventional in period, and you'll probably recommend 1 year or 7,500 miles. | Nov 17 20:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This won't void the warranty on Ford. Ford recommends 1 year or 10,000 miles on full synthetic on their newer cars and trucks. | Nov 17 20:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They say it's part of their "environmental initiative". | Nov 17 20:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They built the thing, so you should probably take their advice though. | Nov 17 20:52 |
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| XRevan86 | > (21:25:22) ***DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < > | Nov 17 21:27 |
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| MinceR | they have low standards | Nov 17 21:28 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Matrix? | Nov 17 21:28 |
| MinceR | yes | Nov 17 21:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I had to go down a very long list of repairs after mom owned this thing. | Nov 17 21:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm surprised it's working well even with all of that. | Nov 17 21:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If the transaxle had leaked some more, there would probably be damage. | Nov 17 21:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I managed to get to it in time for two new seals and a servicing to save it. | Nov 17 21:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I told my mechanic to use that full synthetic high mileage transmission fluid. | Nov 17 21:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "Really, what's another $3 at this point whether there's anything to those claims or not?". | Nov 17 21:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If it doesn't do anything extra, I lost $3. | Nov 17 21:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If it keeps the transmission together 30,000 miles longer than it would have, I was really smart. B-) | Nov 17 21:40 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19092561 | Nov 17 21:42 |
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| MinceR | deja vu | Nov 17 21:54 |
| XRevan86 | It's like Matrix says: tl;dr | Nov 17 21:55 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 17 21:55 |
| MinceR | or it's like Matrix says: go use IRC | Nov 17 21:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: I thought you'd like that. | Nov 17 21:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Useless plastic BMW cover. Birds get in and build a nest and crap up radiator fan. Guy tells them to put the plastic cover back on because "It's there for a reason.". | Nov 17 21:56 |
| XRevan86 | (21:54:16) ***DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < > – what's there not to like? %) | Nov 17 21:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If I had to guess, it's probably so when it starts leaking stuff, the owner won't go complain that it made an embarrassing mess on their driveway. | Nov 17 21:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | BMW has an idiot light so you pay them $1,000 to turn it back off every 30,000 miles at the stealership. | Nov 17 21:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they might notice it's leaking. | Nov 17 21:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Scotty Kilmer said that one particularly unscrupulous BMW stealer charged his client for 5 sets of brake pads over 14,000 miles and he was "too busy to notice" until his accountant asked what a car was doing going through 5 brake jobs in 14,000 miles. | Nov 17 22:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When the BMW stealer replied, they said, "Oh, we do brake jobs every so often regardless of mileage..". | Nov 17 22:01 |
| danielp3344 | All my cars are over 30 years old | Nov 17 22:02 |
| danielp3344 | They're the best | Nov 17 22:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, brake pads are a wear item, but you don't replace them on a certain timetable. | Nov 17 22:03 |
| MinceR | my previous car was 22 years old | Nov 17 22:03 |
| MinceR | i replaced it with a new one, which is far better :> | Nov 17 22:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You'd replace them if they're warped or damaged or worn down. | Nov 17 22:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Edmunds found a 89 Yugo and fixed it up and blogged about driving it. | Nov 17 22:04 |
| danielp3344 | I really want a yugo | Nov 17 22:04 |
| MinceR | i don't | Nov 17 22:05 |
| MinceR | i've seen enough of eastern bloc attempts at designing cars :> | Nov 17 22:05 |
| danielp3344 | I want to ditch the stock drivetrain and give it at least 600hp | Nov 17 22:05 |
| danielp3344 | And make fun of teslas | Nov 17 22:05 |
| MinceR | i can make fun of teslas without doing any of that | Nov 17 22:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh, I used to be a slob that never got around to fixing anything. | Nov 17 22:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My brakes would go clack clack clack for thousands of miles. | Nov 17 22:06 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 17 22:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Finally I went to the shop and they shamed me for my brake pads having huge pits in them. | Nov 17 22:06 |
| danielp3344 | lol, my dad tried to drive my truck this morning and discovered the brakes | Nov 17 22:07 |
| danielp3344 | I think it scared him pretty good | Nov 17 22:07 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19092510 | Nov 17 22:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, I wish I just let them clack some more. | Nov 17 22:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was a GM car and it broke down entirely 4,000 miles later. | Nov 17 22:07 |
| danielp3344 | DaemonFC: my favorite car is a GM car | Nov 17 22:08 |
| danielp3344 | 265k on it ATM | Nov 17 22:08 |
| danielp3344 | 1988 pontiac firebird | Nov 17 22:12 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: *here should be a joke about those who watch reality shows* | Nov 17 22:13 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 17 22:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | hat's about the same mileage as my Impala. | Nov 17 22:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://repairpal.com/reliability/bmw | Nov 17 22:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 30/32 for reliability and visits the repair shop more than twice as often as the average car. | Nov 17 22:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Been to Most Workshops | Nov 17 22:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't know how the VW diesel cheating wasn't the end of the company. | Nov 17 22:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The penalties were pretty severe compared to what the government usually does about something like that. | Nov 17 22:24 |
| danielp3344 | DaemonFC: we should use that to push for free ECMs | Nov 17 22:24 |
| *danielp3344 is slowly working on deblobbing his cars | Nov 17 22:25 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I noticed the Impala runs a little better on E15. | Nov 17 22:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My mechanic suggested bumping it up to midgrade suspecting that after so many miles there might be increased compression in the cylinders. | Nov 17 22:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I didn't really want to pay more for gas, so I filled up on E15 instead today. | Nov 17 22:35 |
| scientes | danielp3344, I had the CanBus TripleCAN, but the driver was in javascript (!) | Nov 17 23:05 |
| scientes | danielp3344, I think new quality development is far more productive than deblobbing | Nov 17 23:06 |
| scientes | *far more productive for software freedom | Nov 17 23:06 |
| scientes | you have to be practical about these things, rather than a religious fool | Nov 17 23:07 |
| scientes | zealotry does not have to be foolish | Nov 17 23:07 |
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| MinceR | 17 232410 < DaemonFC[m]> I don't know how the VW diesel cheating wasn't the end of the company. | Nov 17 23:28 |
| MinceR | state capture | Nov 17 23:28 |
| MinceR | corruption | Nov 17 23:28 |
| MinceR | nationalism | Nov 17 23:28 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Apparently, they didn't actually fully repair them before putting them back on the road. | Nov 17 23:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They were certified to a lesser standard than what they sold them as before. | Nov 17 23:32 |
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