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| DaemonFC[m] | Okay, this battery is running the laptop but it has said 99% for almost half an hour now. | Dec 17 01:09 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Now it says 98%. | Dec 17 01:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That seems sketchy. | Dec 17 01:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It seems kind of strange that it wouldn't go up to 100%. | Dec 17 01:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It just got to 99% and then said 2 minutes remaining, then 3 minutes, then 4 minutes until full. | Dec 17 01:13 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Mandy knows that The Terminator is one of my favorite series (enough to sit through T3 even). | Dec 17 01:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I can't believe Daniel Peterson hasn't seen them. | Dec 17 01:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Anyway, so he thought it was funny when Rick & Morty had a "Snake Terminator" thing on snake planet on yesterday's episode. | Dec 17 01:42 |
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| schestowitz | [22:14] <danielp3344> <MinceR "https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/12"> lol | Dec 17 04:30 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 17 04:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/12/ ) | Dec 17 04:30 | |
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| schestowitz | nginx | Dec 17 04:30 |
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| schestowitz | I don't quite get it, if there's more to it than that | Dec 17 04:38 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: looks like the url got truncated in that reply | Dec 17 07:24 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19092617 | Dec 17 08:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Dec 17 08:35 | |
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| zoobab | I found | Dec 17 10:27 |
| zoobab | in the Commission PR about UPC, they reuse the "technical effect" EPO doctrine | Dec 17 10:28 |
| zoobab | which has no legal base | Dec 17 10:28 |
| zoobab | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1206844131114442753 | Dec 17 10:28 |
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| linuxgirl | Just quickly popping up to say thumbs up re the Free Software: A Love Story article. Definitely good to wake people up more re the real truth re MS. | Dec 17 16:27 |
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| cybrNaut | just had a look at that article.. noticed: “clown computing” (Amazon et al) | Dec 17 16:39 |
| XRevan86 | That's clownist :) | Dec 17 16:39 |
| cybrNaut | amazon is quite harmful but it's unclear to me the references to Clown computing | Dec 17 16:39 |
| XRevan86 | cybrNaut: cloud | Dec 17 16:40 |
| cybrNaut | I've always considered CloudFlare as "ClownFlare".. and such websites to be "ClownFucked" | Dec 17 16:40 |
| cybrNaut | ah | Dec 17 16:40 |
| cybrNaut | well, w.r.t cloudflare, I call it ClownFlare because it can't be taken seriously. No serious operation would use CF. The company is run by clowns | Dec 17 16:41 |
| XRevan86 | cybrNaut: schestowitz doesn't take the word "cloud" seriously. | Dec 17 16:41 |
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| scientes | nor does CEO of Oracle | Dec 17 16:49 |
| scientes | cybrNaut, except they were the first to provide https | Dec 17 16:50 |
| scientes | for free | Dec 17 16:50 |
| scientes | as well as ESNI | Dec 17 16:50 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: You mean StartCom? | Dec 17 16:50 |
| scientes | cloudflare | Dec 17 16:51 |
| XRevan86 | I think they were the first to give free TLS certificates, albeit they tried to make the process as painful as possible. But not as painful as its competition at the time. | Dec 17 16:51 |
| scientes | the pirate bay uses cloudflare | Dec 17 16:51 |
| scientes | well yeah startcom was horrible, letsencrypt was revolutionary | Dec 17 16:51 |
| scientes | but cloudflare did it in a non-secure way before that | Dec 17 16:52 |
| scientes | and for high-bandwidth websites | Dec 17 16:52 |
| scientes | the internet needs something like cloudflare | Dec 17 16:52 |
| scientes | as it doesn't make sense for everyone to do geolocatin | Dec 17 16:53 |
| scientes | wikipedia does their own but it kinda sucks | Dec 17 16:53 |
| scientes | or at least did 10 years when i had some idea how it worked | Dec 17 16:53 |
| scientes | and caching | Dec 17 16:53 |
| scientes | multicast kinda died, and there are reasons for that | Dec 17 16:54 |
| scientes | its a hard problem | Dec 17 16:54 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Yes, I do occasionally stumble upon Cloudflare-"protected" websites that say that the admin said my location's bad | Dec 17 16:54 |
| XRevan86 | so the system must be working | Dec 17 16:54 |
| scientes | https://apility.io/2018/05/25/gdpr-lazy-block-european-users-cloudflare-workers/ | Dec 17 16:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers - Apility.io | Dec 17 16:55 | |
| cybrNaut | scientes> cybrNaut, except they were the first to provide https <= that tunnel ends at CloudFlare, so it's damaging and misleading. | Dec 17 16:56 |
| scientes | cybrNaut, there is no other way to do high-bandwidth websites | Dec 17 16:56 |
| scientes | and yes, it is insecure | Dec 17 16:56 |
| XRevan86 | cybrNaut: It aligns perfectly with complete implicit trust in Cloudflare :) | Dec 17 16:56 |
| scientes | but something has to be done | Dec 17 16:56 |
| cybrNaut | scientes> the internet needs something like cloudflare <= the internet needs to boycott CF | Dec 17 16:56 |
| scientes | cybrNaut, the internet doesn't work without CDNs | Dec 17 16:57 |
| cybrNaut | nonsense | Dec 17 16:57 |
| scientes | not at the scale it is going at | Dec 17 16:57 |
| scientes | I mean yes, the prices are too high | Dec 17 16:57 |
| scientes | but still | Dec 17 16:57 |
| cybrNaut | CF has 10% of the web, the other big techs have ~1% collectively, | Dec 17 16:57 |
| XRevan86 | And when facebook.com crashes, Internet is going offline | Dec 17 16:58 |
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| cybrNaut | 89% of the websites have figured out how to function w/out a CDN | Dec 17 16:58 |
| scientes | the evil part of it is the capcha part | Dec 17 16:58 |
| cybrNaut | that's only part of the evil | Dec 17 16:58 |
| scientes | but that too is part of a larger problem | Dec 17 16:59 |
| cybrNaut | but yes, CAPTCHA is evil and I refuse to solve them.. certainly the google ones | Dec 17 16:59 |
| scientes | most government web sites require ehte | Dec 17 16:59 |
| scientes | (but use their own) | Dec 17 16:59 |
| XRevan86 | I wonder what HTTP server software supports eSNI now or plans to soon-ish. | Dec 17 17:04 |
| scientes | good question | Dec 17 17:05 |
| scientes | one of the eSNI co-drafters is an author of picotls and h2o http library | Dec 17 17:06 |
| scientes | but i think it is quite immature | Dec 17 17:06 |
| scientes | although picotls code was quite refreshing | Dec 17 17:06 |
| scientes | or rather minicrypto | Dec 17 17:07 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I tried h2o a year ago and removed it unsatisfied | Dec 17 17:09 |
| XRevan86 | it's quite unflexible | Dec 17 17:09 |
| scientes | well i only looked at the crypto library | Dec 17 17:09 |
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| scientes | although picotls uses way too many macros | Dec 17 17:10 |
| scientes | so i didn't like it | Dec 17 17:10 |
| XRevan86 | I looked for some basic, to my opinion, functionality, and suggestions were all "use mruby" | Dec 17 17:11 |
| scientes | https://www.openrailwaymap.org/ | Dec 17 17:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.openrailwaymap.org | OpenRailwayMap | Dec 17 17:12 | |
| scientes | COOOOOOOOL | Dec 17 17:12 |
| scientes | hmmm the railroad from cusco stops at arequipa | Dec 17 17:13 |
| scientes | \but it actually continues to the coast (of course) | Dec 17 17:13 |
| scientes | oh yeah, and the soviet metro in tblisi is super nice | Dec 17 17:15 |
| scientes | and the cross-country train is even nicer and super new | Dec 17 17:15 |
| XRevan86 | I'm looking for nginx alternatives (for Open Core reasons), but everything else just doesn't look like something that would satisfy me, even though I don't have very sophisticated needs. | Dec 17 17:16 |
| scientes | what's wrong with lighttpd? | Dec 17 17:17 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Poor documentation, plain messy configuration, slow development (where's HTTP/2?) | Dec 17 17:18 |
| scientes | ahhh, yeah I only looked at this stuff in http/1.1 dayts | Dec 17 17:18 |
| scientes | and http/1.1 is pan comieda to implement | Dec 17 17:18 |
| scientes | pan comido | Dec 17 17:19 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It is, but I don't want a stub :) | Dec 17 17:19 |
| scientes | although the nginx sources go through great pains to make it as efficient as possible | Dec 17 17:20 |
| XRevan86 | The way the lighttpd configuration is organised makes me wonder how efficiently it applies it | Dec 17 17:21 |
| scientes | the problem is that nginx killed all the competition | Dec 17 17:22 |
| scientes | or the will power | Dec 17 17:22 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: There is competition, it's just… not very good :) | Dec 17 17:22 |
| scientes | and hackers are too busy reading hacker news these days to actually code anything | Dec 17 17:23 |
| XRevan86 | Like the proud kitchen-sink Caddy (also Open Core) | Dec 17 17:23 |
| scientes | and hacker news is useless dribble where people brag about how smart they are | Dec 17 17:23 |
| scientes | (typical US collapse culture stuff) | Dec 17 17:23 |
| XRevan86 | And OpenLiteSpeed (Open Core, obviously), configuration of which is done through a web interface. | Dec 17 17:24 |
| scientes | chereokee also had a web interface | Dec 17 17:24 |
| XRevan86 | I count that as a disadvantage | Dec 17 17:24 |
| scientes | anyways, instead of avoiding open core, go find a real problem to solve | Dec 17 17:24 |
| scientes | and change the world | Dec 17 17:25 |
| scientes | there are plenty of them | Dec 17 17:25 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I'm rather passive at this avoiding Open Core thing | Dec 17 17:25 |
| scientes | My LLVM talk went | Dec 17 17:26 |
| scientes | up | Dec 17 17:26 |
| XRevan86 | I'll jump ship as soon as there's another better ship nearby | Dec 17 17:26 |
| XRevan86 | that can accomodate my needs | Dec 17 17:26 |
| scientes | the problem is that this is software | Dec 17 17:26 |
| scientes | its a fast moving target | Dec 17 17:26 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Not web browser fast though | Dec 17 17:27 |
| XRevan86 | New software has an advantage too: less legacy burden. | Dec 17 17:28 |
| scientes | yes | Dec 17 17:28 |
| scientes | all software is moving | Dec 17 17:28 |
| scientes | that's why i'm more interested in compiler optimization | Dec 17 17:28 |
| scientes | trying to do stuff that has more stay | Dec 17 17:29 |
| XRevan86 | but unfortunately most of the time new software tries to add a new stupid killer-feature (like a web interface or a tebibyte of dependencies) that's more annoying than useful rather than make a better implementation that does the job well. | Dec 17 17:29 |
| scientes | heh, more like fatal-feature | Dec 17 17:30 |
| XRevan86 | What illustrates that well is CMake, Meson and Bazel | Dec 17 17:30 |
| scientes | or.... | Dec 17 17:30 |
| XRevan86 | CMake is old and crufted, so Google made a bloated mess: Bazel | Dec 17 17:30 |
| scientes | build systems are horrible | Dec 17 17:30 |
| scientes | ninja actually managed to provide something however | Dec 17 17:30 |
| XRevan86 | and some other people made Meson, which just does the job | Dec 17 17:30 |
| scientes | by breaking up the job into smaller pieces | Dec 17 17:30 |
| scientes | meson really isn't that great | Dec 17 17:31 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It's fairly good. | Dec 17 17:31 |
| scientes | you can provide a lot more functionality without being turing complete | Dec 17 17:31 |
| scientes | like at least a full DAG | Dec 17 17:31 |
| scientes | and regular expressions | Dec 17 17:32 |
| scientes | not enough CS in the thought behind meson | Dec 17 17:32 |
| XRevan86 | My point is one doesn't have to make a new build system that is heavier than the Sun. | Dec 17 17:32 |
| scientes | well yeah, that was the explicit idea behind meson | Dec 17 17:32 |
| scientes | and it is a good one | Dec 17 17:32 |
| scientes | but they still should provide powerful features | Dec 17 17:32 |
| scientes | like a fully exposed DAG, and regular expressions | Dec 17 17:32 |
| scientes | they are actually hostile to regular expressions | Dec 17 17:33 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I can see why | Dec 17 17:33 |
| scientes | basically I wanted a full-featured sed | Dec 17 17:36 |
| scientes | but without the annoying limits of sed | Dec 17 17:36 |
| XRevan86 | Use perl then (: | Dec 17 17:37 |
| XRevan86 | even sed -E isn't full PCRE | Dec 17 17:37 |
| XRevan86 | if that's the limit | Dec 17 17:38 |
| scientes | yeah but PCRE isn't regular | Dec 17 17:38 |
| scientes | and -E isn't either | Dec 17 17:38 |
| scientes | because lack of non-greedy matching | Dec 17 17:38 |
| scientes | anyways, I find that computer software does not have enough solid CS in it | Dec 17 17:38 |
| scientes | UNIX did | Dec 17 17:39 |
| XRevan86 | um, there's non-greedy matching | Dec 17 17:39 |
| scientes | not in sed | Dec 17 17:39 |
| scientes | that is the problem of sed | Dec 17 17:39 |
| scientes | or lack of greedy matching, i always forget which | Dec 17 17:39 |
| scientes | that missing feature means you can't match all regular languages | Dec 17 17:40 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: But you mentioned PCRE | Dec 17 17:44 |
| XRevan86 | it has both | Dec 17 17:44 |
| XRevan86 | $ echo '01' | perl -pe 's/^.+?//' | Dec 17 17:46 |
| XRevan86 | 1 | Dec 17 17:46 |
| XRevan86 | in action | Dec 17 17:46 |
| XRevan86 | $ python3 -c 'import re; print(re.sub(r"^.+?", "", "01"))' | Dec 17 17:49 |
| XRevan86 | 1 | Dec 17 17:49 |
| XRevan86 | $ php -r "echo preg_replace('/^.+?/', '', '01');" && echo | Dec 17 17:56 |
| XRevan86 | 1 | Dec 17 17:56 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: So there you go, actual perl, python and libpcre2 (through PHP). | Dec 17 18:00 |
| XRevan86 | All support ungreediness (and greediness too). | Dec 17 18:01 |
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| XRevan86 | $ echo '01' | grep -Po '^.+?' | Dec 17 18:06 |
| XRevan86 | 0 | Dec 17 18:06 |
| XRevan86 | And then there's grep | Dec 17 18:07 |
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| XRevan86 | GNU grep that is | Dec 17 18:08 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: "UNIX did" – if sed doesn't support ungreedy matching, then original UNIX implementations and POSIX ERE did/do not either. | Dec 17 18:16 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_expression#Standards | Dec 17 18:17 |
| XRevan86 | > Perl regexes have become a de facto standard, having a rich and powerful set of atomic expressions. Perl has no "basic" or "extended" levels. As in POSIX EREs, ( ) and { } are treated as metacharacters unless escaped; other metacharacters are known to be literal or symbolic based on context alone. Additional functionality includes lazy matching, backreferences, named capture groups, and recursive pa | Dec 17 18:17 |
| XRevan86 | tterns. | Dec 17 18:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Regular expression - Wikipedia | Dec 17 18:18 | |
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