●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Friday, June 18, 2021 ●● ● Jun 18 [00:05] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:21] DaemonFC MinceR, That episode of SG-1 where they promote O'Neill and he says there was a mix up in the cafeteria order and they got gold potatoes instead of russets, and so Jackson suggests mashing them, and O'Neill said "Suggested that. Apparently they're no good for mash.". [00:21] DaemonFC That's fake news. [00:22] DaemonFC Russets turn out a little better, but you can certainly make do with gold potatoes. I suggest leaving the skins on them and using heavy cream and mixing them longer. [00:22] DaemonFC Eventually, you beat the mixture into a thicker consistency. [00:23] MinceR :) [00:35] *schestowitz has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [00:36] *schestowitz (~roy@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [00:36] *irc.techrights.org sets mode +q #techrights schestowitz [00:38] DaemonFC I had a recipe call for a can of Coke the other day. [00:38] DaemonFC So I bought a Pepsi out of the vending machine at Walmart. [00:39] DaemonFC Richard Stallman has supported a boycott of Coke for years because they hired hitmen to murder union organizers. [00:39] DaemonFC Now Trump is saying boycott Coke because some internal memos about how the company needs to "be less white" leaked out. [00:41] DaemonFC MinceR, Most new automobile production in the US heads to states in the south without strong labor laws and, in fact, laws that are hostile to unions. [00:41] DaemonFC I can't really blame them, honestly. The unions are as good of a reason as anything why GM is a fucking catastrophe. [00:41] MinceR :> [00:41] MinceR unlikely [00:42] MinceR the unions are not responsible for management failing to adapt to changing demands in the market [00:42] DaemonFC They kept letting the UAW roll them for obscene benefits and stuff until foreign competitors who didn't have legacy costs of anything like that were price competitive, reliability issues aside. [00:43] DaemonFC Dad said that his wife's brother just retired from GM after a very long career as a quality control engineer. [00:43] DaemonFC I asked him how the guy was there for 40 years and they didn't manage to notice that their quality slipped from #6 to #21 in that time period. [00:44] DaemonFC Honda beginning to sell into the US market was the beginning of the end for GM as anything other than a zombie corporation that keeps feasting off the taxpayers. [00:45] DaemonFC Many of the original models that they sold into the US market back in the 1980s still work assuming they've generally been taken care of and operated in a state where they won't rust away/. [00:45] MinceR generally, offering better pay and benefits to workers tends to attract better workers [00:45] DaemonFC Except that it doesn't. [00:46] DaemonFC Both of my grandfathers worked for GM, both in the UAW union. [00:46] DaemonFC My grandfather on my dad's side was drunk all the time. [00:46] DaemonFC Other employees would clock him in and then go fish him out of the bar. [00:46] DaemonFC He'd be at work drunk assembling car parts. [00:46] MinceR then perhaps it's time for you to give up on usian car design and manufacturing [00:47] DaemonFC The foreign companies don't design anything here. [00:47] DaemonFC They just import the parts and do assembly here. [00:47] activelow german car manufacturers are fully supported by unions and didn't follow the trend of declining quality, salary there is exceptional for those who are directly hired and not outsourced [00:47] DaemonFC Honestly, they'd just import the entire finished car if they could, but tariffs. [00:47] MinceR strange, i've heard the quality of german cars has cratered [00:48] MinceR allegedly they used to make very reliable cars, and then stopped [00:49] activelow german automotive industry boosted production and sales incredibly, regardless of some quality hearsay [00:49] MinceR sales doesn't seem to depend on quality [00:50] MinceR which might be why most design owners don't care about it [00:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 42.43 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 72.03 swarm size (avg): 189.65 ● Jun 18 [01:01] activelow https://www.dw.com/en/bosch-is-the-new-star-in-silicon-saxony-microchip-cluster/a-57767731 [01:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bosch is the new star in Silicon Saxony microchip cluster | Business| Economy and finance news from a German perspective | DW | 04.06.2021 [01:01] activelow "The firm has pumped about 1 billion ($1.2 billion) into its new site, marking the biggest single investment in its 130-year history." -> Bosch is automotive supplier [01:02] DaemonFC "In total, Illinois will give away 40 cash prizes of $100,000." for the COVID lotto. [01:02] DaemonFC If I win, I'm buying a house in Indiana and a new car. [01:02] DaemonFC I mistook it for being one prize of $10 million. [01:03] XRevan86 I don't see any activity from freenode, is the bridge fine? [01:03] DaemonFC You can get a house in INdiana for like $30,000-40,000. A big one in some cases. The jobs dried up and nobody there makes a lot of money. [01:08] lightbringer/fn testing [01:08] MinceR yes, the bridge is fine [01:13] DaemonFC MinceR, I followed the Philly Cheese Steak recipe in my cookbook for instant pots, and it said cook 55 minutes on slow cook mode with the pressure sealed. [01:13] DaemonFC I was like, "Uhhh, we'll see I guess.". [01:13] techrights-bot/fn The Lying by #TeamUPC , Led Again by #KevinMooney http://techrights.org/2021/06/17/kevin-mooney-upc-lies/ #unitarypatent #epo #upc [01:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Lying by Team UPC, Led Again by Kevin Mooney | Techrights [01:13] techrights-bot/fn Pressure Grows for #RustLang in #Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152399 [01:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Pressure Grows for Rust in Linux | Tux Machines [01:14] DaemonFC I ended up cooking it ten minutes on high pressure after that because I opened it up and....sure enough....it was steak tartare. [01:14] techrights-bot/fn #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152398 #Linux #TuxMachines [01:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [01:24] MinceR :) [01:29] techrights-bot/fn #HeliPihlajamaa Promoting #SoftwarePatents to #Patent Maximalists http://techrights.org/2021/06/17/heli-pihlajamaa-swpats/ #finland #cipa [01:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Heli Pihlajamaa Promoting Software Patents to Patent Maximalists | Techrights [01:30] DaemonFC They say California might have rolling blackouts this summer because of all their green energy crap. [01:30] DaemonFC Eh, let the punishment fit the crime. [01:31] DaemonFC Greta Thunberg didn't come out of nowhere. [01:31] DaemonFC Billionaires and the Chinese Communist Party want to ruin our standard of living. [01:31] DaemonFC So how do they do that? They prop up people like this. [01:32] DaemonFC Then they can get the west to destroy their economies while China builds more coal plants than the rest of the world put together and says it has a plan to go carbon-neutral. [01:32] DaemonFC The lifecycle of a base load coal plant after it's built is usually between 50-70 years. [01:33] DaemonFC So if China is building them today, they plan to be running them in the 22nd century. [01:33] DaemonFC Running the US electric grid on the expensive electric generating sources that the Democrats want will be the end of US manufacturing, and they know it. [01:34] DaemonFC It'll increase the price of power 400% and you can't run heavy industry paying Massachusetts rates for your electric bill. [01:34] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:35] *psydroid (~psydroid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [01:35] DaemonFC They think that they'll somehow be insulated from the economic disaster that they cause in half of the states because they have "special" jobs that aren't "carbon intensive", but then what will happen is that the uprising will end up affecting them when most of the country can't get _any_ job. [01:36] DaemonFC We're being spoon fed a load of crap from people who are soft on China (and other polluters). [01:36] activelow any production facility which closed in Europe or USA is re-established elsewhere, with little to no benefit for the climate [01:36] DaemonFC The environment is only fragile when we're talking about the United States, and everyone else can pretty much do whatever they want to it. [01:37] activelow any gallon of oil which isn't consumed in Europe or USA is consumed elswhere, simple fact. [01:37] DaemonFC any production facility which closed in Europe or USA is re-established elsewhere, with little to no benefit for the climate [01:37] DaemonFC Yeah, with the added bonus of the finished goods being loaded onto cargo ships which go halfway around the world. [01:37] techrights-bot/fn #TeamUPC , or specifically Mr. Mooney, lies to the public about the prospects of the UPC; similarly, #EPO and #EU officials keep bringing up false claims about the UPC, so while the #UPC itself has likely died for good the lies have not http://techrights.org/2021/06/17/kevin-mooney-upc-lies/ #Techrights | Gemini address: gemini: [01:37] techrights-bot/fn //gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/17/kevi [01:38] DaemonFC Once you do that, the ships take a lot of fuel, and they spill a lot of their cargo into the ocean. [01:38] DaemonFC Just billions of dollars in everything from food to furniture to shoes. Bicycles.... [01:38] DaemonFC All of the energy used to produce them wasted. [01:38] techrights-bot/fn "They only recently started supporting Linux with it (back in April), and now we're seeing all updates across all platforms at the same time which is great." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/god-sim-sandbox-worldbox-has-a-huge-release-out-with-lots-of-fun-new-toys [01:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-God sim sandbox 'WorldBox' has a huge release out with lots of fun new toys | GamingOnLinux [01:39] techrights-bot/fn The absolutely insane vision of #bezoa and his goons https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pBa6L4Yi5k [01:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Amazon Sidewalk: Open Your Wi-Fi To The Public - YouTube [01:39] DaemonFC It's much, much worse for the environment to allow China to take all of our jobs than it is to just produce things here. [01:39] DaemonFC Now people buy tons of crap that doesn't even pretend to have any practical purpose, like smart watches and Alexa speakers. [01:40] techrights-bot/fn #vista11 'leak' is fake and a smokescreen. Board changes (Nadella) might suggest it's more distraction from the crimes of #billgates h Not sure... but it's NOT a leak. A marketing stunt/ploy to divert attention and game the media. [01:41] activelow i disagree with the china bashing, since the "globalization" agenda was pushed by USA particularly [01:41] techrights-bot/fn Computers typically take up a lot more power than is need, esp. due to bloated #proprietarySoftware which works for vendors, not users https://www.maketecheasier.com/measure-pc-power-consumption/ [01:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | How to Measure Your PC's Power Consumption - Make Tech Easier [01:41] techrights-bot/fn Computers typically take up a lot more power than is needed, esp. due to bloated #proprietarySoftware which works for vendors, not users https://www.maketecheasier.com/measure-pc-power-consumption/ [01:41] activelow ^ [01:43] kingoffrance yes, it always curious with the modern web, why software itself never factors into "reducing power" [01:43] DaemonFC Yes, another example of how our own government has consistently betrayed its people. [01:43] techrights-bot/fn #NVIDIA Resizable BAR Performance - A Big Boost For Some Linux Games - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=rtx3080-linux-rebar&num=1 #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/18/#latest [01:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-NVIDIA Resizable BAR Performance - A Big Boost For Some Linux Games - Phoronix [01:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [01:43] kingoffrance it would make sense if old hw is that inefficient, and hw is a much more effective place to target "power savings" [01:43] kingoffrance just software, never a peep [01:43] DaemonFC 50 million less people employed? MORE TRADE! (Nerus "More chicken!" voice) MinceR [01:44] kingoffrance never mentioned as wasting power. bitcoin did, but thats just because some ppl view it as pointless activity [01:44] DaemonFC Also, make abortion illegal. [01:44] DaemonFC That way 40 million more people join the unemployed over the next 30 years. [01:44] activelow a modern aarch64 SBC now can fully replace a workstation, with ~5watts power draw, and with some tailored firmware for it i can do almost everything a developer desires to do [01:44] kingoffrance i.e. seems more of a specific dig at mining for other reasons, than any care about power [01:44] DaemonFC Or shoot each other. That's always popular too. [01:46] kingoffrance (no pun intended) [01:47] XRevan86 CrystalMath: I am very puzzled by the choice of InspIRCd after finding out that Sadie is very against freenode. [01:47] kingoffrance (although it perhaps a boring topic, pun intended) [01:47] CrystalMath XRevan86: we can fork it :) [01:47] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Can't Solanum be forked? [01:47] techrights-bot/fn Dependable Debian is like a rock in a swirling gyre of 'move fast and break things', and version 11 is no different https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/16/debian_11/ #debian #gnu #linux [01:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Dependable Debian is like a rock in a swirling gyre of 'move fast and break things', and version 11 is no different The Register [01:47] XRevan86 CrystalMath: or ergo? [01:48] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Let me phrase it differently: why is it InspIRCd that got to be a base for ircd-eight [01:49] techrights-bot/fn "Ms Pyjamas" from the #EPO is promoting illegal #softwarepatents to a bunch of #patent zealots ( #CIPA ) http://techrights.org/2021/06/17/heli-pihlajamaa-swpats/ #Techrights #swpats | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/17/heli-pihlajamaa-swpats/ [01:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Heli Pihlajamaa Promoting Software Patents to Patent Maximalists | Techrights [01:49] CrystalMath XRevan86: i don't know, it was nirvana's idea i think [01:49] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Is nirvana a C++ programmer? [01:50] CrystalMath i don't know [01:55] techrights-bot/fn It's 2021 and people still don't know the difference between #internet and #www ... had to explain it to a technical friend who is 49 just 2 days ago. Media confuses people. #mozilla has just published https://blog.mozilla.org/en/internet-culture/mozilla-explains/internet-search-engine-browser/ [01:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | What is the difference between the internet, browsers, search engines and websites? [01:56] techrights-bot/fn The brand #UbuntuOne is back... just to confuse people https://ubuntu.com//blog/two-factor-authentication-coming-to-ubuntu-one [01:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Two-factor authentication coming to Ubuntu One | Ubuntu [01:56] kingoffrance activelow, briefly to not get too far off rails, i agree china bashing seems cloudy at best. yes, USA did push globalism, conservatives in particular (which apparently they now regret) the bashing only appeared simultaneously along with "whataboutism". seems like posturing and inner turmoil at best. (deliberately not taking a stand either way, just there is too much crazy going on at same time for me to take any of it seriously) [01:56] hmmmm/fn kingoffrance, china covered up that covid leaked from lab experiments [01:56] techrights-bot/fn Complicated Changes Confuse Concerned Citizens http://coyote.works//complicated-changes-confuse-concerned-citizens.html #internet #broadband | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/18/#latest [01:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-coyote.works | Complicated Changes Confuse Concerned Citizens [01:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [01:57] kingoffrance hmmmm/fn: i dont follow that stuff, up to other ppl if they want to discuss [01:57] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Also what's your opinion on YouTube removing kebab? %) [01:57] CrystalMath what? [01:57] techrights-bot/fn #KDE Plasma 5.22 Released with Better Stability and Usability Across the Board https://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/KDE-Plasma-5.22-Released-with-Better-Stability-and-Usability-Across-the-Board #gnu #linux [01:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux-magazine.com | KDE Plasma 5.22 Released with Better Stability... Linux Magazine [01:58] XRevan86 CrystalMath: https://youtu.be/uSCJxxI83v4 https://youtu.be/BD1G9BNx3q4 [01:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Serbia strong orginal bay Radovan Karadzic - YouTube [01:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-- YouTube [01:58] XRevan86 The latter is a clip from the former. [01:58] CrystalMath dumb, the song doesn't contain hate speech [01:59] activelow kingoffrance: the chinese lab leakage is an unproven propaganda claim, anything i read about the origin is inconclusive and intentionally distracting [01:59] techrights-bot/fn #Freenode pisses off far too many #freesw projects. https://xenproject.org/2021/06/17/xen-irc-channels-have-moved/ [01:59] CrystalMath and it's not by Radovan Karadzic [01:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xenproject.org | Xen IRC channels have moved - Xen Project [01:59] hmmmm/fn it's inconclusive but you better be ready for when it *becomes* conclusive [01:59] hmmmm/fn it is more likely than not [01:59] XRevan86 Oh hey, another OFTC move. [01:59] activelow end of 2019 something was identified in a chinese institution doesn't mean it originated there [01:59] hmmmm/fn ban wildlife farming/markets, sure, but ban gain of function research too. Worldwide. Meaning the US needs to stop funding it too, just to set an example and have some moral high ground ● Jun 18 [02:00] activelow doesn't mean either it didn't exist long before [02:00] hmmmm/fn it's actually known it didn't exist long before [02:00] CrystalMath XRevan86: i mean it's a war propaganda song, but its lyrics don't contain any hate speech [02:00] techrights-bot/fn Bad engineering must not become the standard. #IIS dumped #microsoft #windows and moved to #debian #gnu #linux on laptops about a decade back. https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/17/spacesuit_reboot/ [02:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Your spacesuit ran into a problem and needs to restart The Register [02:00] hmmmm/fn that part is pretty certain... it's too well adapted to human cells [02:00] hmmmm/fn the *antecedent* of it existed long before, but that could not have infected humans in one move [02:00] techrights-bot/fn Bad engineering must not become the standard. #ISS dumped #microsoft #windows and moved to #debian #gnu #linux on laptops about a decade back. https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/17/spacesuit_reboot/ [02:01] XRevan86 CrystalMath: The reason it got banned is actually in New Zealand. [02:01] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [02:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 32.85 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 72.83 swarm size (avg): 204.87 [02:01] XRevan86 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christchurch_mosque_shootings#Al_Noor_Mosque [02:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Christchurch mosque shootings - Wikipedia [02:02] CrystalMath XRevan86: the song has zero to do with new zealand [02:02] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Indeed. I am actually annoyed by this. [02:02] CrystalMath XRevan86: i mean... the whole point of the song is to push the idea that croatian independence is always a nazi thing [02:02] techrights-bot/fn #RogerWaters tells #Facebook CEO to Zuck off after 'huge' song rights request The Register https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/17/roger_waters_says_zuck_off/ #theregister #assange [02:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Roger Waters tells Facebook CEO to Zuck off after 'huge' song rights request The Register [02:02] CrystalMath XRevan86: so it connects serbia's struggle to separate from independent croatia and rejoin serbia with the struggle against nazis in WW2 [02:03] CrystalMath XRevan86: that's the point, it's actually anti-nazi [02:03] CrystalMath but... kinda in a propaganda sort of way [02:03] *DaemonFC_phone (~daemonfc@uubm8h9xrqrds.irc) has joined #techrights [02:03] CrystalMath the link between the two struggles is a little shaky [02:03] DaemonFC_phone https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27546133 [02:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.ycombinator.com | Oops HBO, using real user data in your software integration tests? | Hacker News [02:03] DaemonFC_phone I just got one of these. [02:04] CrystalMath s/serbia's struggle/the serbian people's struggle/ [02:04] CrystalMath i'm of course referring to the ones living in croatia and bosnia [02:04] MinceR s/serbian/struggling/ [02:05] CrystalMath MinceR: it does sound like a synonym sometimes, doesn't it? [02:05] XRevan86 Oi, Russians demand recognition! [02:06] XRevan86 and uh A. Hitler [02:06] MinceR recognition is denied to russians in order to make their struggle more authentic [02:07] XRevan86 MinceR: But that's recognition in itself. [02:07] hmmmm/fn kingoffrance, activelow: lots of good info here, not crazy wild maximal conspiracy: https://jamiemetzl.com/origins-of-sars-cov-2/ [02:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jamiemetzl.com | NO TITLE [02:07] MinceR paradox was among the goals [02:07] XRevan86 MinceR: Recognition through denying recognition. [02:07] *XRevan86 recognised that. [02:08] kingoffrance that sounds like indifference is opposite of love :) [02:08] kingoffrance hate is when you really really really have a crush on someone lol [02:09] kingoffrance not going mjg, just saying thats a platitude [02:09] MinceR fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering [02:10] XRevan86 suffering leads to fear [02:11] activelow hmmmm: the "deadliest pandemic in 30 years" was reported 2018 already by RKI germany, long before the covid propaganda spook began [02:11] MinceR and it just keeps going around and around [02:11] MinceR fear is the path to itself [02:12] activelow and anything else which followed in public news since september 2019 is incitement of fear and hatred, which is presented differently only since it shall attract mainstream population instead of extremist political fringe which is agitated differently [02:14] activelow btw. the public propaganda and agitation is illegal according to 130StgB in germany, which makes me wonder why most of involved politicians and media agitators aren't jailed yet [02:14] MinceR that's because the law isn't enforced consistently [02:14] MinceR it's merely an excuse to wield power, often violently [02:15] activelow it wouldn't take long if i spread some of my historical facts police rang my door bell here in germany [02:16] activelow spreading news such as "chinese plague", advertising pharmacy with falsified data which isn't approved, the list goes on [02:17] activelow yet i am not allowed to namecall who is who involved with it [02:18] kingoffrance bbl [02:18] schestowitz 0/ [02:18] DaemonFC_phone That sounds like an anti-Nazi law to me. [02:19] activelow the reason related legislation was introduced was to cover up nazi crimes [02:19] activelow so those who raised their voice could be silenced as "revisionist" and such [02:20] DaemonFC_phone Yeah, It's been a sore spot in Germany. [02:20] activelow recently introduced legislation in germany is this: "deligitimization of governmental institutions", "permissive surveillance" [02:20] DaemonFC_phone And as mjg59 teaches us, when fact bothers you, ban everyone who talks about it with a CoC. [02:22] schestowitz A lot of the time people who lack the talent call those who have it "bigots" because they lack another way to compete [02:23] *DaemonFC_phone has quit (connection closed) [02:23] techrights-bot/fn Links 18/6/2021: #RasPad 3 and Pushing Rust Into the Linux #Kernel http://techrights.org/2021/06/17/linux-kernel-rust/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/17/linux-kernel-rust/ [02:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 18/6/2021: RasPad 3 and Pushing Rust Into the Linux Kernel | Techrights [02:24] techrights-bot/fn Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152405 [02:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [02:25] techrights-bot/fn Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152404 [02:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [02:25] rbraun/fn activelow: what happened in september 2019? [02:25] techrights-bot/fn #Debian : #Bullseye and Reliability http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152403 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian: Bullseye and Reliability | Tux Machines [02:25] DaemonFC MinceR, Jabba the Pritzker just unveiled another state spending bill that they admit adds another $500 million to the Illinois deficit. [02:25] techrights-bot/fn #Ubuntu and #Canonical Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152402 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu and Canonical Leftovers | Tux Machines [02:25] DaemonFC So if they admit $500 million, it's actually much worse. [02:25] DaemonFC He called it "a step towards fiscal responsibility". [02:26] techrights-bot/fn #Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152401 [02:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [02:26] DaemonFC Financed largely with another round of tax hikes, of course. [02:26] techrights-bot/fn #Standards /Consortia: #OpenZFS , APIs, and More Web Bloat http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152400 [02:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Standards/Consortia: OpenZFS, APIs, and More Web Bloat | Tux Machines [02:27] DaemonFC He also didn't mention that this is apparently the 7th year in a row we're selling the Thomson Center. [02:27] DaemonFC And I guess it just slipped his mind that the $2.6 billion dollars in American Recovery Plan Act money from the feds is not an ongoing thing. [02:29] activelow rbraun: this was the time when the propaganda spook began [02:31] MinceR DaemonFC: perhaps the road to fiscal responsibility leads through default and learning [02:32] techrights-bot/fn Elementary OS 6.0 Beta 2 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152356#comment-29976 [02:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | elementary OS 6 Beta 2 Polishes the Installer UI, Adds More Flatpak Apps | Tux Machines [02:33] DaemonFC The Fed loaned Illinois money last year. [02:33] techrights-bot/fn #IBM Discussing Raising x86_64 Requirements Or Using #Glibc #HWCAPS - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-2021-x86_64-Level #Phoronix [02:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fedora Stakeholders Back To Discussing Raising x86_64 Requirements Or Using Glibc HWCAPS - Phoronix [02:33] DaemonFC I wonder if they'll write it off when the state doesn't pay or suck it out of the state's bank accounts and let other creditors get screwed worse when there's no money to pay any of the daily bills either. [02:34] techrights-bot/fn #IBM : let's have a discussion in #ProprietarySoftware #surveillance trap Slack (which IBM also imposed on all employees) https://hashman.ca/sig-node-bsp/ [02:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hashman.ca :: I'm hosting a Bug Scrub for Kubernetes SIG Node [02:34] DaemonFC Owing people debt with high interest rates is the worst. [02:35] techrights-bot/fn #ibm #redhat : RMS NO!!! #apple YES!! https://events.redhat.com/profile/form/index.cfm?PKformID=0x336681abcd [02:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-events.redhat.com | Red Hat Coffee Hour - Steve Wozniak [02:35] DaemonFC I didn't appreciate how low the I-Bond rates were and bought some in February. Oops. They're paying 1.68% and I have to wait until the end of August for them to reset to 3.54%. [02:35] DaemonFC Then it's likely that months later, it'll reset to something like 5-6%. [02:36] DaemonFC Inflation is high, the interest rate is high on that money that's in I-Bonds. [02:36] DaemonFC But there's no way to predict what inflation will be. I'd say it's a fair bet it'll be high for a while. The Fed didn't seem to be concerned with inflation this morning. [02:37] techrights-bot/fn *** *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-170621.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-170621.txt Read the log now... [02:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell-social @ FreeNode: Thursday, June 17, 2021 [02:37] DaemonFC Biden is boasting about 7% GDP on a quarterly basis, but from that you must subtract inflation running at 5%. [02:38] DaemonFC While it's certainly good that GDP is still above inflation, it's not _that much_ above inflation. [02:38] DaemonFC And it could invert very quickly, leaving us with stagflation. [02:38] techrights-bot/fn *** *** Yesterday's #techrights IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-170621.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-170621.txt Read the log now... [02:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Thursday, June 17, 2021 [02:38] DaemonFC They're playing a dangerous game. [02:38] techrights-bot/fn #IBM employees choose only #proprietarysoftware for discussions ("Slack and Zoom") while running petitions to "REMOVE STALLMAN" from the #FSF , which he founded. Boycott IBM? [02:38] activelow ^ german high court ruled EU violated contracts with Europen Central Bank [02:39] DaemonFC In fact, if you do suppose that the government schemes to understate inflation, it's likely we're at least stagnant right now. [02:39] techrights-bot/fn *** *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-170621.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-170621.txt Read the log now... [02:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: Thursday, June 17, 2021 [02:39] DaemonFC I trust the inflation numbers more than GDP though. [02:39] activelow https://www.dw.com/en/eu-launches-infringement-proceedings-against-germany-for-bond-buying-challenge/a-57826186 [02:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-EU launches infringement proceedings against Germany for bond-buying challenge | News | DW | 09.06.2021 [02:40] DaemonFC It's easier to game GDP because of intangibles that the Consumer Price Index doesn't weigh that heavily because they're not actually important to consumers and their wellbeing. [02:40] techrights-bot/fn *** *** Yesterday's #techbytes IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-170621.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-170621.txt Read the log now... [02:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techbytes @ FreeNode: Thursday, June 17, 2021 [02:40] techrights-bot/fn Caoln McNamara: GTK4 Port: #oubleDecker Notebooks http://caolanm.blogspot.com/2021/06/gtk4-port-doubledecker-notebooks.html #libreoffice [02:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-caolanm.blogspot.com | Caoln McNamara: GTK4 Port: DoubleDecker Notebooks [02:41] techrights-bot/fn #VLinux 2021.06.18 is now out http://www.bandshed.net/avlinux/ #gnu #linux #bandshed [02:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bandshed.net | AV Linux MX Edition | [02:42] DaemonFC That's hilarious. The EU continues to fall apart as countries apply their own laws above the EU's. [02:42] techrights-bot/fn *** *** Yesterday's bulletin ready. http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2021-06-17.txt [02:43] DaemonFC If the ECB's bond buying is unconstitutional in Germany, the only way for Germany to apply their court ruling is to quit using the Euro. [02:44] activelow this isn't what High Court ruled, it merely allowed for investigating if EU violated contracts, which they did [02:44] activelow EU has no legal supremacy by violating their contracts [02:44] techrights-bot/fn #OpenSSL 3.0 Release Candidate https://www.openssl.org/blog/blog/2021/06/17/OpenSSL3.0ReleaseCandidate/ #security #encryption [02:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.openssl.org | OpenSSL 3.0 Release Candidate - OpenSSL Blog [02:46] techrights-bot/fn Our "users in freenode now up to 60," but a lot of the activity is not there anymore. http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-170621.html#tJun%2017%2000:22:36 #techrights [02:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Thursday, June 17, 2021 [02:47] activelow next joke is EU seeks to sanction germany for EU/ECB itself violating their contracts [02:49] schestowitz :-) [02:52] techrights-bot/fn New #rustlang release, but it needs to #deletegithub and other #proprietarySoftware trap because, as it stands, Rust is a sort of prison. https://blog.rust-lang.org/2021/06/17/Rust-1.53.0.html [02:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.rust-lang.org | Announcing Rust 1.53.0 | Rust Blog [02:53] DaemonFC OpenSSL 3 changes the license to Apache License 2.0. [02:53] DaemonFC That gets rid of the annoying advertising clause and GPL incompatibility. [02:53] techrights-bot/fn #Regolith Linux 1.6 Released with Versions Based on Ubuntu 21.04 and 20.04 LTS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152406 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Regolith Linux 1.6 Released with Versions Based on Ubuntu 21.04 and 20.04 LTS | Tux Machines [02:53] techrights-bot/fn #OpenSSL 3.0 Release Candidate http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152407 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OpenSSL 3.0 Release Candidate | Tux Machines [02:54] techrights-bot/fn #IBM / #RedHat /Fedora http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152408 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat/Fedora | Tux Machines [02:54] techrights-bot/fn (I agree) "You will find a word processor installed on almost every desktop computer. The word processor has become an integral part of so many people's workflow. And that's a shame because the word processor is a pointless piece of software. It serves no real purpose..." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0nCEGTlTqM [02:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Word Processors Are Evil And Should Not Exist! - YouTube [02:56] techrights-bot/fn The way things are looking/going, #techrights gemini:// capsule will have served close to a quarter million pages this month alone. Over Gemini alone... [02:56] techrights-bot/fn #Ubuntu 20.10 (Groovy Gorilla) Will Reach End Of Life on July 22nd, 2021 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152409 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 20.10 (Groovy Gorilla) Will Reach End Of Life on July 22nd, 2021 | Tux Machines [02:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 36.06 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 109.06 swarm size (avg): 216.19 [02:59] techrights-bot/fn Get Started with Android application development using Linux and Android SDK https://linuxconfig.org/get-started-with-android-application-development-using-linux-and-android-sdk I did that years ago... [02:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://linuxconfig.org/get-started-with-android-application-development-using-linux-and-android-sdk ) ● Jun 18 [03:00] *psydroid (~psydroid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [03:00] techrights-bot/fn Bag of Freebies for XR Hand Tracking: #MachineLearning & #OpenXR https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/blog/2021/06/17/bag-of-freebies-xr-hand-tracking-machine-learning-openxr/ #collabora | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/18/#latest [03:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.collabora.com | Bag of Freebies for XR Hand Tracking: Machine Learning & OpenXR [03:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [03:01] techrights-bot/fn " #RakuLang is full of surprises. Sometimes I read something what that me like oh, really?. Sometimes I realize than a fact evident for me is not so obvious for others" https://vrurg.github.io/2021/06/17/label-as-object #perl #programming [03:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-vrurg.github.io | Did you know that - LFlat, The Home of Vrurg [03:02] techrights-bot/fn Ole Aamot: GNOME Internet Radio Locator version 11.10 with GeoClue Location View support http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152410 [03:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ole Aamot: GNOME Internet Radio Locator version 11.10 with GeoClue Location View support | Tux Machines [03:03] techrights-bot/fn This Arduino device will sort your M&Ms by color | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/06/18/this-arduino-device-will-sort-your-mms-by-color/ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/18/#latest [03:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | This Arduino device will sort your M&M's by color | Arduino Blog [03:03] techrights-bot/fn TIs #AM64x powers three modules and two new #HummingBoard SBCs http://linuxgizmos.com/tis-am64x-powers-three-modules-and-two-new-hummingboard-sbcs/ #LinuxGizmos #Hardware #Devices #GNU #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/18/#latest [03:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 520 @ http://linuxgizmos.com/tis-am64x-powers-three-modules-and-two-new-hummingboard-sbcs/ ) [03:04] techrights-bot/fn #RaspberryPi #CM4 based controller offers isolated serial and DIO http://linuxgizmos.com/raspberry-pi-cm4-based-controller-offers-isolated-serial-and-dio/ #LinuxGizmos #Hardware #Devices #GNU #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/18/#latest [03:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 520 @ http://linuxgizmos.com/raspberry-pi-cm4-based-controller-offers-isolated-serial-and-dio/ ) [03:06] techrights-ipfs-bot Gemini requests since start of month: 119546 total Total pages: 35884 Active: active (running) since Tue 2021-06-08 16:18:39 BST; 1 weeks 2 days ago [03:06] techrights-bot/fn #tuxmachines is 17 and #techrights turns 15 very soon. Several more months. 14th: http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Techrights-Birthday-14-Years [03:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Techrights Birthday (14 Years) [03:06] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS local node stats (past 23 hours) calculated. TotalIn: 2.8 GB TotalOut: 496 MB [03:06] techrights-ipfs-bot New daily bulletin just generated. It is about to be added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with CID [03:08] techrights-bot/fn Based on the past day, for the first time I think, #ipfs traffic at home exceeded 3.3 GB for the day, so we're talking about 100GB per month. We actually had higher rates than that before rate-limiting. #techrights [03:08] techrights-ipfs-bot QmSqJtaqrrXbzBF4sG3nBzauArR36q6YbF5P7htcHd5cDB [03:10] techrights-bot/fn Automated Website Testing with #Selenium https://shibumi.dev/posts/automated-website-testing/ #shibumi | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/18/#latest [03:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-shibumi.dev | Automated Website Testing with Selenium [03:12] techrights-bot/fn Ubuntu 20.10 (Groovy Gorilla) reaches End of Life on July 22 2021 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152409#comment-29977 [03:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 20.10 (Groovy Gorilla) Will Reach End Of Life on July 22nd, 2021 | Tux Machines [03:14] techrights-bot/fn 7,000 signatures by year's end. "Recently, there have been vile online attacks looking to remove him from the FSF board of directors for expressing his personal opinions. We have watched this happen before in an organized fashion with other prominent free software activists and programmers. We will not stand idly this time, when an icon of this community is attacked." [03:15] techrights-bot/fn I've been asked who runs https://stallmansupport.org/ and the truth is, I do not know. But I do know that they read #techrights and thanked me for the site more times than I can remember. #gnu #rms #fsf #freesw [03:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallmansupport.org | In Support of Richard Stallman - Introduction [03:17] techrights-bot/fn It's very very very important that we make it very very very clear to large corporations (such as #google #ibm and #microsoft ) that when you attack one of us in the #freesw community you attack all of us and WE WILL RESPOND. Attacks on #softwareFreedom SHOULD be costly. [03:19] techrights-bot/fn "I need to make money to pay for my kids" (or mortgage) is NOT an excuse for unethical behaviour or all sorts of concessions/compromises that attack good people. It has been pointed out (and demonstrated loosely, even with data) that many who attack RMS in public have (extended) families to feed, so principles became "less convenient" to them. [03:20] *psydroid (~psydroid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [03:20] techrights-bot/fn We are soooooooo going into lockdown by end of summer. https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ wife and I moved into informal 'lockdown' 3 weeks ago, foreseeing this sort of non-linear growth. [03:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ ) [03:24] techrights-bot/fn #freenode pulling a "FUCK IT, WE'LL DO IT LIVE!!!" resulted in loss of so many users and channels (who/which I'm sure will never come back). Freenode only has itself to blame at this point. https://netsplit.de/networks/statistics.php?net=freenode [03:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-netsplit.de | NO TITLE [03:26] techrights-bot/fn Tell me again how #embargo helps innovation and creativity, Germany? https://www.managingip.com/article/b1s9rcn9qx9znz/codified-german-injunction-test-divides-industries #de #germany #patent [03:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Codified German injunction test divides industries | Managing Intellectual Property [03:26] MinceR :> [03:26] MinceR fitting analogy [03:27] activelow had been refreshing my memories about novell meanwhile [03:28] activelow by coincidence Suse has an office nearby where i am living currently [03:28] techrights-bot/fn #Greenwashing with help from the #EPO https://capital.com/austria-s-voestalpine-moves-ahead-towards-green-steel-production see http://techrights.org/2021/04/27/epo-greenwashing-stunts/ [03:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-capital.com | NO TITLE [03:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPO Abuses Climate Change, Hijacking or Misusing Grassroots Activism for Corporate Public Relations Stunts | Techrights [03:29] schestowitz activelow: Nuremberg? [03:29] schestowitz The place is known for two things [03:29] schestowitz one of them being SUSE [03:29] activelow yes schestowitz [03:30] activelow didn't pay attention to any RPM style system for 15 years, something wasn't right with RedHat9 already [03:30] activelow although this was the first distro i tried, year 2002 iirc [03:31] activelow same with Solaris: why bother with that? haven't got TI89 schematics and didnt manage motorola assembly yet. who cares. [03:36] techrights-bot/fn "Computer Software-Related Invention" seems to have become another truly misleading term or buzzword for illegal software patents of monopolies on maths https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=443374ae-c3d8-42f9-9391-7035e46d0ce9 #swpats [03:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Draft amendment to Examination Guidelines for Computer Software-Related Inventions - Lexology [03:38] techrights-bot/fn Over time #techrights is coding its way AWAY from all sorts of third parties that were a risk and a liability all along. This means undermining the community and censoring the site is becoming very difficult at this point. Lots of contingencies, very few 'chokepoints' that are reachable. I still worry about DNS and ISPs. [03:40] techrights-bot/fn #dns is in effect/essence the potential #censorship machine nobody talks about or wants to talk about. In #ipfs we have #ipns to work around DNS while still having some static addressing. [03:41] techrights-bot/fn More #patents on sports or how law firms look to poison everything to artificially inflate prices and exploit poorly-paid athletes; they even use the propaganda term and misnomer "IP" https://www.mondaq.com/patent/1078934/everyday-ip-the-notable-ip-of-golf-basketball-and-other-sports [03:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | Everyday IP: The Notable IP Of Golf, Basketball And Other Sports - Intellectual Property - Luxembourg [03:43] techrights-bot/fn #bigTelecom as a #patent extortion vector almost nobody speaks about. They want to get paid without actually doing anything, and cross-licensing means that small players are left out or simply shivering. https://www.managingip.com/article/b1s92520dzh857/crossed-wires-telecoms-and-tech-counsel-reveal-licensing-lows see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Nokia [03:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Crossed wires: telecoms and tech counsel reveal licensing lows | Managing Intellectual Property [03:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Nokia - Techrights [03:46] schestowitz should we do an IRC howto for this network? [03:46] schestowitz I'm thinking, those are universal and standardised [03:46] schestowitz and already plenty of documentation out there about it... [03:46] MinceR ergo is a little weird, but maybe its own docs cover that [03:47] schestowitz what about MOTD? [03:47] schestowitz should we explain how to register? [03:47] MinceR \_()_/ [03:47] schestowitz I get some queries sometimes [03:47] MinceR i haven't looked closely at the user guide yet [03:47] schestowitz and mind you, 90% or more of the activity comes from this network now, from konversation I can no longer connect to freenode anymore [03:47] schestowitz tried for about 12 hours, with and without ssl [03:48] schestowitz very weird, spent ages in vain trying to figure our the cause [03:48] schestowitz I have 2 more hours before part 11 of the epo series [03:48] schestowitz maybe I'll name basic commands in MOTD [03:49] schestowitz as per "faq" [03:49] schestowitz "Freenode is FOSS" [03:49] schestowitz "Freenode is FOSSIL" [03:49] schestowitz "Freenode is FOSSIL" [03:50] schestowitz "Freenode is FOSSIL" [03:50] schestowitz "Freenode is F*" [03:50] schestowitz at this point it's very unreliable [03:50] schestowitz like I said, I wasted a lot of time today just trying to reconnect to it after some netsplit that affected about 20 users [03:50] MinceR how far does it get? [03:50] schestowitz maybe they even placed a restriction [03:51] schestowitz [03:50] [Info] Server found, connecting... [03:51] schestowitz [03:50] [Error] Connection to server chat.freenode.net (port 6697) lost: The remote host closed the connection. [03:51] schestowitz [03:50] [Info] Trying to reconnect to chat.freenode.net (port 6697) in 10 seconds. [03:51] schestowitz no kidding [03:51] schestowitz 12 hours and counting [03:51] MinceR maybe it's enough to put a link to https://github.com/ergochat/ergo/blob/master/docs/USERGUIDE.md in the motd [03:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ergo/USERGUIDE.md at master ergochat/ergo GitHub [03:51] schestowitz since a netsplit [03:51] schestowitz MinceR: shithub [03:51] schestowitz bad optics [03:51] XRevan86 schestowitz: Huh, I've been poking freenode all day looking at the motd and it connected fine with TLS. [03:51] schestowitz I'll pick key commands from there [03:52] XRevan86 Maybe it's luck, don't know. [03:52] schestowitz ircd:/# ps aux| wc -l [03:52] schestowitz 9 [03:52] schestowitz including ps itself [03:52] activelow beforce connecting to any IRC service i resolve it's ip address and then use this directly, got one here for freenode [03:53] XRevan86 activelow: That is not a great idea. [03:53] schestowitz what are some static ips or hostnames for freenode? [03:53] activelow too i am resolving all dns through onion as a precaution since DNS was known to be hijacked for transparent interception [03:53] XRevan86 happytree.freenode.net is one [03:53] activelow # host shows the IP address [03:54] XRevan86 The last bastion of classic it was, just remembered it, no other reason for the pick. [03:56] activelow Unable to connect server ajnvpgl6prmkb7yktvue6im5wiedlz2w32uhcwaamdiecdrfpwwgnlqd.onion port **** [Connection refused] [03:56] MinceR no, capone was the last bastion [03:57] XRevan86 MinceR: Correction: the last bastion I cared about [03:57] schestowitz is ascii art in motd frowned upon? [03:57] MinceR no [03:57] schestowitz thanks [03:58] MinceR np [03:58] XRevan86 Is unicode art in motd frowned upon? [03:58] schestowitz good question [03:58] MinceR \_()_/ [03:58] schestowitz but I said ascii [03:58] MinceR i don't think i saw unicode in motd so far [03:58] schestowitz [03:58] [Info] Server found, connecting... [03:58] schestowitz [03:58] [Error] Connection to server happytree.freenode.net (port 6697) lost: Connection refused. [03:58] schestowitz [03:58] [Info] Trying to reconnect to happytree.freenode.net (port 6697) in 10 seconds. [03:58] schestowitz lol, good luck, mister Lee [03:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 51.60 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 71.65 swarm size (avg): 224.12 [03:59] schestowitz [03:59] [Error] Connection to server chat.freenode.net (port 6697) lost: The remote host closed the connection. [03:59] schestowitz [03:59] [Info] Trying to reconnect to chat.freenode.net (port 6697) in 10 seconds. [03:59] schestowitz how to kill an IRC network in less than 4 weeks ● Jun 18 [04:00] schestowitz the "diet plan" [04:00] schestowitz meme: [04:00] schestowitz you don't need many servers when you have little users in the pool [04:01] XRevan86 schestowitz: rinnegan.freenode.net? [04:03] schestowitz MinceR: can you remind me how to apply settings like motd stuff? [04:03] schestowitz You gave me some command before [04:03] MinceR /quote rehash [04:03] schestowitz [04:03] [Error] Connection to server rinnegan.freenode.net (port 6697) lost: The remote host closed the connection. [04:03] schestowitz [04:03] [Info] Trying to reconnect to rinnegan.freenode.net (port 6697) in 10 seconds. [04:04] XRevan86 schestowitz: I can definitely connect to that with TLS. [04:05] schestowitz -irc.techrights.org- Rehash complete [04:06] MinceR nice [04:06] schestowitz can you see it? [04:06] MinceR if i say /motd, yes [04:06] MinceR but it's a bit crooked [04:06] schestowitz it's for fixed length fonts [04:06] MinceR i am using fixed width [04:07] MinceR though some of those characters may actually be not so fixed width [04:07] MinceR unicode is like that :> [04:07] XRevan86 schestowitz: I have two hypotheses: either ye're not really connecting with TLS or your connection is throttled. [04:08] schestowitz MinceR: yes, it's a 'best effort' thing [04:08] schestowitz throttled seems possible [04:08] schestowitz after the netsplit it attempted many times to connect [04:08] schestowitz maybe their filters are all f-ed [04:08] schestowitz either way, they go out of their way to block legit users [04:09] XRevan86 schestowitz: Are ye sure ye don't want the bridge in tuxmachines? [04:09] techrights-bot/fn #Techrights Bulletin for Thursday, June 17, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [04:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives [04:10] techrights-bot/fn #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [04:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index [04:10] schestowitz I do actually [04:10] schestowitz seeing that the other network is not dependable [04:10] schestowitz let me create the channel here... [04:11] activelow chat.freenode.net/54.37.136.225:6697 succeeded, happytree.freenode.net:6697|6667 didn't -> connection refused [04:13] *bridge has quit (connection closed) [04:13] *bridge (~bridge@sp6mg7ktjfurg.irc) has joined #techrights [04:13] *irc.techrights.org gives channel operator status to bridge [04:13] *bridge has quit (connection closed) [04:13] *bridge (~bridge@sp6mg7ktjfurg.irc) has joined #techrights [04:13] *irc.techrights.org gives channel operator status to bridge [04:13] *bridge has quit (connection closed) [04:13] *bridge (~bridge@sp6mg7ktjfurg.irc) has joined #techrights [04:13] *irc.techrights.org gives channel operator status to bridge [04:13] *bridge has quit (connection closed) [04:13] *bridge (~bridge@sp6mg7ktjfurg.irc) has joined #techrights [04:13] *irc.techrights.org gives channel operator status to bridge [04:13] *bridge has quit (connection closed) [04:13] *bridge (~bridge@sp6mg7ktjfurg.irc) has joined #techrights [04:13] *irc.techrights.org gives channel operator status to bridge [04:13] *bridge has quit (connection closed) [04:13] *bridge (~bridge@sp6mg7ktjfurg.irc) has joined #techrights [04:13] *irc.techrights.org gives channel operator status to bridge [04:13] *bridge has quit (connection closed) [04:14] *bridge (~bridge@sp6mg7ktjfurg.irc) has joined #techrights [04:14] *irc.techrights.org gives channel operator status to bridge [04:14] *bridge has quit (connection closed) [04:14] *bridge (~bridge@sp6mg7ktjfurg.irc) has joined #techrights [04:14] *irc.techrights.org gives channel operator status to bridge [04:14] *bridge has quit (connection closed) [04:14] *bridge (~bridge@sp6mg7ktjfurg.irc) has joined #techrights [04:14] *irc.techrights.org gives channel operator status to bridge [04:14] *bridge has quit (connection closed) [04:14] *bridge (~bridge@sp6mg7ktjfurg.irc) has joined #techrights [04:14] *irc.techrights.org gives channel operator status to bridge [04:14] *bridge has quit (connection closed) [04:15] *bridge (~bridge@sp6mg7ktjfurg.irc) has joined #techrights [04:15] *irc.techrights.org gives channel operator status to bridge [04:15] *bridge has quit (connection closed) [04:15] *bridge (~bridge@sp6mg7ktjfurg.irc) has joined #techrights [04:15] *irc.techrights.org gives channel operator status to bridge [04:15] MinceR XRevan86: ping [04:15] *bridge has quit (connection closed) [04:15] *bridge (~bridge@sp6mg7ktjfurg.irc) has joined #techrights [04:15] *irc.techrights.org gives channel operator status to bridge [04:15] *bridge has quit (connection closed) [04:15] *bridge (~bridge@sp6mg7ktjfurg.irc) has joined #techrights [04:15] *irc.techrights.org gives channel operator status to bridge [04:15] *bridge has quit (connection closed) [04:15] *bridge (~bridge@sp6mg7ktjfurg.irc) has joined #techrights [04:15] *irc.techrights.org gives channel operator status to bridge [04:15] *bridge has quit (connection closed) [04:15] *bridge (~bridge@sp6mg7ktjfurg.irc) has joined #techrights [04:15] *irc.techrights.org gives channel operator status to bridge [04:15] *bridge has quit (connection closed) [04:18] XRevan86 Huh, connection failed to irc.techrights.org [04:18] schestowitz is that why the bridge falls? [04:19] XRevan86 Nah, it couldn't connect to freenode at first. And now to techrights [04:21] XRevan86 It's actually throttled [04:22] XRevan86 Tell me when I can start it up again. [04:23] schestowitz try now [04:23] *bridge (~bridge@sp6mg7ktjfurg.irc) has joined #techrights [04:23] *irc.techrights.org gives channel operator status to bridge [04:23] *bridge has quit (connection closed) [04:23] schestowitz freenode is definitely doing some throttling [04:23] *bridge (~bridge@sp6mg7ktjfurg.irc) has joined #techrights [04:23] *irc.techrights.org gives channel operator status to bridge [04:23] *bridge has quit (connection closed) [04:23] schestowitz which I suppose explains what I experienced since yesterday [04:24] *bridge (~bridge@sp6mg7ktjfurg.irc) has joined #techrights [04:24] *irc.techrights.org gives channel operator status to bridge [04:24] *bridge has quit (connection closed) [04:24] *bridge (~bridge@sp6mg7ktjfurg.irc) has joined #techrights [04:24] *irc.techrights.org gives channel operator status to bridge [04:24] *bridge has quit (connection closed) [04:24] schestowitz I am guessing the throttling happens at their end, not ours [04:24] XRevan86 I regret restarting the bridge. [04:24] schestowitz that's why I was also careful not to hang on any existing IRC client [04:25] schestowitz freenode is very fussy about letting people back in [04:25] *bridge (~bridge@sp6mg7ktjfurg.irc) has joined #techrights [04:25] *irc.techrights.org gives channel operator status to bridge [04:25] *bridge has quit (connection closed) [04:25] schestowitz maybe some kind of rate-limiting [04:25] schestowitz maybe they were DDOSed [04:25] *bridge (~bridge@sp6mg7ktjfurg.irc) has joined #techrights [04:25] *irc.techrights.org gives channel operator status to bridge [04:25] *bridge has quit (connection closed) [04:25] XRevan86 This sucks [04:26] schestowitz [04:11] chat.freenode.net/54.37.136.225:6697 succeeded, happytree.freenode.net:6697|6667 didn't -> connection refused [04:26] schestowitz could not get back on [04:26] schestowitz activel0w (~activel0w@freenode-v2p.o8c.cufafo.IP) has left #techrights ("Leaving") [04:27] schestowitz from freenode [04:27] schestowitz boko haram: nobody leaves! [04:27] schestowitz freenode: nobody joins! [04:28] *bridge (~bridge@sp6mg7ktjfurg.irc) has joined #techrights [04:28] *irc.techrights.org gives channel operator status to bridge [04:28] schestowitz what's the trick, XRevan86 [04:28] schestowitz certain hostname? [04:28] XRevan86 schestowitz: capelle.freenode.net let me in [04:29] schestowitz/fn notice to ALL in Freenode [04:29] schestowitz/fn freenode is turning away many connection attempts [04:29] schestowitz/fn if you get refused, use capelle.freenode.net [04:29] schestowitz/fn in place of chat.freenode.net [04:29] schestowitz/fn for now at least (temporarily) [04:29] XRevan86 Maybe it's just luck, it's pretty random. [04:30] activelow schestowitz: your channel was one reason to remain on freenode, why stay there now? [04:30] schestowitz/fn well, for now it is at least working around the limitation [04:30] schestowitz/fn why not stay where you already are and have been for 13+ years? (rhetorical) [04:31] XRevan86 I can think of a few reasons. [04:31] schestowitz/fn whether we can depend on that network given its many technical issues (as of late) is another question [04:31] schestowitz/fn tuesday's events forced me to fork over some bots and shift the logging to the other network [04:31] schestowitz/fn a whole day of downtime and other issues, without even prior notice, is not acceptable [04:32] schestowitz/fn From "Freenode is FOSS" to Freenode is disrupting operations of FOSS projects [04:32] MinceR this server isn't immune to downtime either [04:32] schestowitz/fn maybe not by intentional, but prudence and care would go a long way [04:33] schestowitz/fn MinceR: correct, hence it's good to keep two networks [04:33] XRevan86 schestowitz: Intentional. [04:33] XRevan86 We've established that yesterday. [04:33] schestowitz/fn the suits call it "multi clown" [04:33] schestowitz/fn or multiclown [04:34] schestowitz will test tuxmachines bridge [04:36] techrights-bot/fn If you are attempting to connect to #freenode and they turn away your connection (ongoing issue, BIG BIG issue), try temporarily using capelle.freenode.net in place of chat.freenode.net (until their sort out their issues) [04:36] schestowitz works ok, thanks XRevan86! [04:37] schestowitz wait, actually it did not work [04:38] schestowitz does giving it op help RELAY? [04:38] MinceR it needs op to send RELAYMSG, but afaict that is not enabled on freenode anyway [04:38] MinceR and it can send RELAYMSG here [04:38] techrights-bot/fn Ole Aamot: GNOME Internet Radio Locator version 11.10 with GeoClue Location View support http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152410 [04:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ole Aamot: GNOME Internet Radio Locator version 11.10 with GeoClue Location View support | Tux Machines [04:39] schestowitz OK, I think it needed op [04:39] schestowitz now that works there [04:39] schestowitz does bridge automatically attempt to obtain operator status? Upon connection? [04:41] schestowitz activel0w is now back online at freenode.net [04:42] schestowitz we still don't know what runs the freenode.net web site/www [04:42] schestowitz they don't say [04:42] XRevan86 No idea. It gets op here automatically though, but it could be something else doing that. [04:42] schestowitz some of us tried finding out what's behind clownflare [04:42] schestowitz https://freenode.net/ still says nothing, since a week+ ago [04:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net | freenode [04:43] schestowitz https://freenode.net/rss 404Not Found [04:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://freenode.net/rss ) [04:43] XRevan86 Not going to restart it just yet to find out. [04:43] schestowitz page source suggests it is custom-made [04:45] schestowitz Error 522 https://webchat.freenode.net/ [04:45] schestowitz oh, dear... [04:45] schestowitz > [04:45] schestowitz   [04:45] schestowitz they at least link to their gitLAB site [04:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 522 @ https://webchat.freenode.net/ ) [04:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.freenode.net | freenode-web / web-7-0 GitLab [04:45] schestowitz I convinced them to move to self-hosted git hosting, I think [04:46] techrights-bot/fn I asked #freenode to #deletegithub and move to #selfhosting #git and that worked. https://git.freenode.net/freenode-web/web-7-0 [04:47] schestowitz good luck finding out what IP really powers their site [04:47] schestowitz they hide behind clownflare for any request I make, even bad ones [04:48] techrights-bot/fn #patents on pot. #epo .. you're stoned!! https://seekingalpha.com/news/3707235-cannabics-to-launch-new-drug-development-programs [04:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://seekingalpha.com/news/3707235-cannabics-to-launch-new-drug-development-programs ) [04:48] schestowitz XRevan86: just noticed, for the first time ever, MEDUZA in Google News! [04:49] techrights-bot/fn "Drug money In 2011, the Russian government launched a multibillion-dollar gambit to strengthen the countrys pharmaceutical industry. Ten years later, its led to a wave of arrests and not much else." https://meduza.io/en/feature/2021/06/16/drug-money [04:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE [04:49] schestowitz But the MEDUZA RSS feed has been broken for over 2 weeks [04:49] schestowitz so I receive no updates from that site otherwise.. [04:51] *psydroid (~psydroid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [04:51] schestowitz Ariadne: the container of ergo does not have tools like rsync, so I'm not sure how to make a complete backup of it [04:51] schestowitz though I suppose hv can make nightly blobs out of it for D-R's sake [04:53] techrights-bot/fn As always, to know what goes on 'behind the scenes' at #techrights in (almost) real time visit http://techrights.org/irc or just come to IRC [04:54] techrights-bot/fn Virtual Injustice -- Part 10 in progress. Will be out 6am GMT. #techrights #epo #corruption #patents #maladministration [04:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 37.03 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 12.73 swarm size (avg): 237.36 ● Jun 18 [05:15] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has joined #techrights [05:16] AdmFubar https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-no-longer-offers-windows-7-drivers-via-windows-update/ [05:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Microsoft no longer offers Windows 7 drivers via Windows Update [05:22] AdmFubar https://www.databreaches.net/for-hacked-companies-paying-a-ransom-may-not-work-many-say-they-paid-but-were-attacked-again/ [05:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.databreaches.net | For hacked companies, paying a ransom may not work: Many say they paid but were attacked again [05:22] schestowitz morning, AdmFubard [05:24] techrights-bot/fn #microsoft #windows #proprietarySoftware #DumpThisCrap https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-no-longer-offers-windows-7-drivers-via-windows-update/ [05:24] techrights-bot/fn Cracked, not "hacked" https://www.databreaches.net/for-hacked-companies-paying-a-ransom-may-not-work-many-say-they-paid-but-were-attacked-again/ and usually due to #proprietarySoftware e.g. http://techrights.org/2020/06/09/windows-disaster-zones/ [05:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Index of the Series About Windows Inside Hospitals (Causing Hospitals to Become Disaster Zones) | Techrights [05:26] AdmFubar morning for you.... will be nighty night time for me.. :) [05:26] techrights-bot/fn If you pay ransom money and then stay with the same #proprietarySoftware that brought in #ransomware in the first place, then you deserve to be blackmailed again and again. Until you learn a lesson and move to #freesw ... without back doors as part of the design http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSA [05:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights [05:27] schestowitz AdmFubar: I see... [05:27] schestowitz BTW, in channel/network message we now have user registration tip [05:27] schestowitz as that may help those who like you failed to log in [05:28] schestowitz type /motd in network screen [05:28] techrights-bot/fn #Arduino and GNU/Linux Devices http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152411 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [05:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Arduino and GNU/Linux Devices | Tux Machines [05:30] techrights-bot/fn #uspto #fakepatents #ptab #boguspatents "one of the IPR plaintiffs, continued the IPR action after Apple settled, and that on June 6, the PTAB issued a Final Written Decision finding all challenged claims (1-3 and 5-13) to be unpatentable (the patent has a total of 22 claims)." https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/06/contreras-shepardizing-patents.html [05:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Guest Post by Prof. Contreras: Shepardizing Patents | Patently-O [05:31] activelow patent trolling too harms those who legitimately seeked to protect their rights [05:32] techrights-bot/fn #IBM does not understand its competition? https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1botSEYO #redhat #crisis [05:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | IBM does not understand its competition? - post regarding IBM layoffs [05:32] techrights-bot/fn #ibm #morale "Things are getting worse here daily. The toxic work environment has completely snuffed out any joy I had in doing my job and don't even get me started on all the bu-----t politics we have to deal with all the time." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1boaXjOa [05:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | This is getting tiresome - post regarding IBM layoffs [05:33] DaemonFC https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/248038/hungary-passes-law-barring-pornography-pro-lgbt-content-for-minors [05:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.catholicnewsagency.com | Hungary passes law barring pornography, pro-LGBT content for minors [05:34] DaemonFC The Catholics are celebrating Orban's censorship law, which contains many of the same elements as Russia's "gay propaganda" law. [05:34] techrights-bot/fn On #ibm #redhat : "So why was yours truly DT shocked? It's simple. Here was our CEO acknowledging that we will hit 5b this year. Not 10b in two years or 15b in five years. All that effort. All that money. And still growth that leaves us floundering." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bobChtI [05:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Memo re Red Hat - post regarding IBM layoffs [05:35] techrights-bot/fn "The end of IBM... a slow and painful death..." #ibm #redhat #financialEngineering #CookingTheBooks https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bobChtI [05:36] techrights-bot/fn "I thought companies would want to hire ex IBMers, but maybe those of us up in age, are not looked upon as a good hire." #ibm #layoffs https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bnTU8BK [05:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Any recent IBMers having luck in the job market ? - post regarding IBM layoffs [05:36] activelow exposing minors to pornography isn't in compliance with law in germany too, operatores of this business must present a confirmation dialog [05:37] activelow hadn't noticed any outcry yet except if it is directed towards political opponents [05:37] techrights-bot/fn " #IBM is the worst company to work for. Execs are clueless and uninspiring. Get out - life is much better outside that dump." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bm3HmGB [05:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | IBMers are not motivated and don't want to work - post regarding IBM layoffs [05:37] techrights-bot/fn Pure gold and I can relate: 'I haven't had a pay-rise in years, but each year I make sure my hourly rate goes up.' https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bm3HmGB [05:38] DaemonFC Well, a site has no idea who is accessing it. [05:38] techrights-bot/fn "This is what happens when folks feel like they are on a sinking ship and just waiting for the RA to hit them." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bm3HmGB [05:39] techrights-bot/fn "In a mix of intended and unintended actions, IBM did just about everything it could do to demotivate its employees. And here we are. Ever unward." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bm3HmGB [05:41] AdmFubar Poor lil ibm... whoda thunk that a company built on revenge would go under after all these years... [05:41] AdmFubar :P [05:41] schestowitz it has little time left to live [05:41] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:41] schestowitz maybe under a decade imho [05:41] schestowitz so it's attacking everyone now [05:41] schestowitz even its own [05:41] schestowitz fedora, centos, fsf [05:41] schestowitz let them die already [05:41] schestowitz so they can leave us all alone [05:42] schestowitz it's another novell [05:42] schestowitz [05:31] patent trolling too harms those who legitimately seeked to protect their rights [05:43] schestowitz that harms this system's credibility [05:43] schestowitz which I think is why some in the microcosm have grown concerned [05:43] schestowitz their occupation is getting a really bad rap [05:45] *job (~job@42cscff4sp33s.irc) has joined #techrights [05:46] techrights-bot/fn Ongoing discussion about using compression in #geminiProtocol transmissions (we already have #encryption but compression for short texts?) https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006711.html https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006713.html https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006719.html https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006720.html [05:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | a space case for transparent gemtext compression [05:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | a space case for transparent gemtext compression [05:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | a space case for transparent gemtext compression [05:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | a space case for transparent gemtext compression [05:48] techrights-bot/fn When you work for a company and work experience that you gained becomes like some sort of 'possession crime'; this is what happens when laws are written for and passed for the rich. https://www.managingip.com/article/b1s9qpzdsqzxpv/counsel-job-hoppers-spark-china-trade-secrets-challenges [05:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Counsel: job hoppers spark China trade secrets challenges | Managing Intellectual Property [05:50] techrights-bot/fn Tell me when #patent attorneys actually learn how to use #encryption (and actually start using it). For now, all that #confidentiality and #privilege talk is pure comedy and false promises. https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/06/communication-with-attorney.html [05:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Communication with your Attorney | Patently-O [05:56] *DaemonFC_phone (~daemonfc@82dwje8hd9g58.irc) has joined #techrights [05:56] AdmFubar https://techcrunch.com/2021/06/16/no-nfts-arent-copyrights/ [05:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-No, NFTs arent copyrights TechCrunch [05:57] schestowitz lol [05:57] schestowitz NFT [05:57] schestowitz humanity gone wrong [05:57] schestowitz let them eat NFT... [05:58] schestowitz https://www.reuters.com/article/us-offshore-wealth-idUSBRE86L03U20120722 [05:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Super rich hold $32 trillion in offshore havens | Reuters [05:58] AdmFubar https://techcrunch.com/2021/06/16/apple-health/ [05:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-With iOS 15, Apple reveals just how far Health has come and how much further it can go TechCrunch [05:58] schestowitz 'health' [05:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 34.81 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 25.05 swarm size (avg): 246.04 [05:59] techrights-bot/fn #surveillance spun as 'health' -- the same propaganda I've been warning about for years. Being oppressed is "Safety" and "Good for you!!" https://techcrunch.com/2021/06/16/apple-health/ #aol #lol #apple ● Jun 18 [06:00] AdmFubar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eH76Haezq4 [06:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Frnhan 2.0 - Frnhan Fit - YouTube [06:00] techrights-bot/fn The more "smart" things you have at home and carry around with you, the dumber you're likely to be... or more gullible. #marketing #gimmicks #surveillance #junk [06:02] techrights-bot/fn #surveillance as 'health' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eH76Haezq4 #spying #SurveillanceCapitalism #SurveillanceState #SmartShit [06:03] techrights-bot/fn Virtual Injustice -- Part 10: Vapid and Superficial Coverage in the 'IP' Blogosphere http://techrights.org/2021/06/18/superficial-epo-coverage/ #epo #corruption #europe #patents #kangarooCourts [06:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Virtual Injustice Part 10: Vapid and Superficial Coverage in the IP Blogosphere | Techrights [06:04] AdmFubar https://harryshearer.com/le-show/ [06:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-harryshearer.com | Le Show - Harry Shearer [06:06] schestowitz new freenode: [06:06] schestowitz [04:28] [Users] Current users on the network: 25257 Max: 28291 [06:06] schestowitz [04:28] [Users] 23378 channels formed [06:06] schestowitz they used to be double or more that figure [06:06] schestowitz just a month back [06:06] schestowitz it takes a lot of talent to lose that many that fast [06:07] AdmFubar I had a feeling it wasn't going to work out. I hoped it would.. [06:10] AdmFubar https://www.theinformation.com/articles/nvidias-40-billion-takeover-of-arm-faces-new-foe-european-vacations [06:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theinformation.com | Nvidias $40 Billion Takeover of Arm Faces New Foe: European Vacations The Information [06:11] AdmFubar https://techcrunch.com/2021/06/16/on-a-growth-tear-duckduckgo-reveals-it-picked-up-100m-in-secondary-investment-last-year/ [06:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-On a growth tear, DuckDuckGo reveals it picked up $100M in secondary investment last year TechCrunch [06:12] AdmFubar https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210614/07470746988/think-tech-companies-are-too-monopolistic-then-stop-giving-them-patent-monopolies.shtml [06:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Think Tech Companies Are Too Monopolistic? Then Stop Giving Them Patent Monopolies | Techdirt [06:12] schestowitz yes, seen that [06:13] schestowitz techcrunch became really awful under AOL [06:13] schestowitz seems like MSM and PR junk [06:13] schestowitz they used to do exclusives under Arrington [06:13] schestowitz DDG is a scam [06:13] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/03/15/duckduckgo-in-2021/ [06:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Why You Should Avoid DuckDuckGo (DDG) 2021 Edition, Now Microsoft-Hosted and With Extra Privacy Risks | Techrights [06:13] AdmFubar https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210613/16341146984/fbi-ignored-own-warrant-search-policies-to-seize-millions-peoples-safety-deposit-boxes.shtml [06:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-FBI Ignored Its Own Warrant And Search Policies To Seize Millions From People's Safety Deposit Boxes | Techdirt [06:13] schestowitz alll those who promote this scam are complicit, unusually unwittingly [06:15] AdmFubar https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2021/06/17/spacesuit_reboot/ [06:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Your spacesuit ran into a problem and needs to restart The Register [06:15] AdmFubar https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2021/06/17/microsoft_packages_404/ [06:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Microsoft loves Linux so much that packages.microsoft.com has fallen and can't get up The Register [06:16] AdmFubar me thinks there is a lil blue pill for that [06:16] AdmFubar https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2021/06/17/tim_cook_interview_sideloading/ [06:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Tim Cook: Sideloading is a disaster and proposed App Store reforms would harm user privacy and security The Register [06:17] AdmFubar unlike now [06:17] AdmFubar https://torrentfreak.com/bill-to-automatically-delete-pirated-content-from-search-engines-submitted-in-russia-210617/ [06:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bill To Automatically Delete Pirated Content From Search Engines Submitted in Russia * TorrentFreak [06:19] techrights-bot/fn Meme: Swedish Justice http://techrights.org/2021/06/18/on-swedish-justice/ #sweden #kangarooCourt #epo #corruption #patents [06:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Swedish Justice | Techrights [06:21] AdmFubar https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021/06/device-makers-have-funneled-billions-to-orthopedic-surgeons-who-use-their-products.html [06:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nakedcapitalism.com | Device Makers Have Funneled Billions to Orthopedic Surgeons Who Use Their Products | naked capitalism [06:23] schestowitz hmmm [06:25] techrights-bot/fn Today in #Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152412 [06:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines [06:26] techrights-bot/fn #bribery #kickbacks https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021/06/device-makers-have-funneled-billions-to-orthopedic-surgeons-who-use-their-products.html [06:27] AdmFubar https://arstechnica.com/?p=1774337 [06:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Microsofts Linux repositories were down for 18+ hours | Ars Technica [06:29] AdmFubar https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/06/heres-whats-inside-googles-first-ever-retail-store/ [06:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Heres whats inside Googles first-ever retail store | Ars Technica [06:30] AdmFubar https://arstechnica.com/?p=1774253 [06:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | World Bank slams bitcoin, declines to help El Salvadors cryptocurrency plan | Ars Technica [06:30] AdmFubar https://arstechnica.com/?p=1774198 [06:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Ohio Republicans close to imposing near-total ban on municipal broadband | Ars Technica [06:31] AdmFubar https://arstechnica.com/?p=1774127 [06:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Ten-year hacktivist fugitive Commander X arrested in Mexico | Ars Technica [06:36] AdmFubar https://arstechnica.com/?p=1774162 [06:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | A new HTTP spec proposes elimination of obnoxious cookie banners | Ars Technica [06:40] AdmFubar ok out for the night... [06:40] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has left #techrights [06:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 33.98 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 21.53 swarm size (avg): 252.24 ● Jun 18 [07:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 48.75 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 20.16 swarm size (avg): 258.71 ● Jun 18 [08:23] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #DataSwamp Run your Gemini server on Guix with Agate https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2021-06-17-guix-gemini.html [08:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dataswamp.org | Solene's percent % : Run your Gemini server on Guix with Agate [08:25] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #NBC #ProprietarySoftware 50,000 security disasters waiting to happen: The problem of America's water supplies https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/hacker-tried-poison-calif-water-supply-was-easy-entering-password-rcna1206 [08:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnews.com | A hacker tried to poison a Calif. water supply. It was as easy as entering a password. [08:25] techrights-bot/fn #Microsoft #Windows TCO: #Vice #ProprietarySoftware #Police Bust Major Ransomware Gang Cl0p https://www.vice.com/en/article/bvz7x3/police-bust-major-ransomware-gang-cl0p [08:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.vice.com | Police Bust Major Ransomware Gang Cl0p [08:25] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #ITWire #ProprietarySoftware Proofpoint identifies malware targeting government institutions https://itwire.com/security/proofpoint-identifies-malware-targeting-government-institutions.html [08:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - Proofpoint identifies malware targeting government institutions [08:26] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #CopenhagenPost #ProprietarySoftware Christian Eriksen to get an implantable cardioverter-defibrillator unit https://cphpost.dk/?p=125642 [08:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cphpost.dk | Christian Eriksen to get an implantable cardioverter-defibrillator unit - The Post [08:26] techrights-bot/fn #Microsoft #Windows TCO: #TheEconomist #ProprietarySoftware To stop the ransomware pandemic, start with the basics https://www.economist.com/leaders/2021/06/19/to-stop-the-ransomware-pandemic-start-with-the-basics [08:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-To stop the ransomware pandemic, start with the basics | The Economist [08:32] *activelow has quit (connection closed) [08:32] *activelow (~activelow@tjyeecr8dbswi.irc) has joined #techrights [08:38] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #EestiRahvusringhling #Privacy #Surveillance President discusses biometric data act with EKRE leader https://news.err.ee/1608250338/president-discusses-biometric-data-act-with-ekre-leader [08:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.err.ee | President discusses biometric data act with EKRE leader | News | ERR [08:38] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #TechTimes #Environment #NASA , #NOAA New Satellite Datasets Show Earth's Doubled Heat Is Like Dropping Four #Hiroshima Atomic Bombs Every Second! https://www.techtimes.com/articles/261604/20210617/nasa-noaa-new-satellite-datasets-show-earths-doubled-heat-dropping.htm [08:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techtimes.com | NASA, NOAA New Satellite Datasets Show Earth's Doubled Heat Is Like Dropping Four Hiroshima Atomic Bombs Every Second! | Tech Times [08:40] techrights-bot/fn World Bank slams bitcoin, declines to help El Salvadors cryptocurrency plan | Ars Technica https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/06/world-bank-slams-bitcoin-declines-to-help-el-salvadors-cryptocurrency-plan/ #arstechnica [08:41] techrights-bot/fn Ohio Republicans close to imposing near-total ban on municipal broadband | Ars Technica https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/06/ohio-republicans-close-to-imposing-near-total-ban-on-municipal-broadband/ #arstechnica [08:45] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #TheHill #Politics Senators unveil legislation to crack down on cyber criminals https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/558982-senators-unveil-legislation-to-crack-down-on-cyber-criminals [08:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Senators unveil legislation to crack down on cyber criminals | TheHill [08:47] techrights-bot/fn The media has come under attack by #BenotBattistelli ; during the term of #AntnioCampinos most of the media critical of the #EPO has mostly vanished already; so one needs to look carefully at comments and #socialcontrolmedia http://techrights.org/2021/06/18/superficial-epo-coverage/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.o [08:47] techrights-bot/fn rg/2021/06/18/superficial-epo-coverage/ [08:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Virtual Injustice Part 10: Vapid and Superficial Coverage in the IP Blogosphere | Techrights [08:48] techrights-bot/fn The EPOs #patent tribunals have been mostly symbolic under the #BenotBattistelli and #AntnioCampinos regimes http://techrights.org/2021/06/18/on-swedish-justice/ #Techrights #EPO | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/18/on-swedish-justice/ [08:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Swedish Justice | Techrights [08:50] techrights-bot/fn "... Palantir and Jigsaw are not into advertising ..." https://odysee.com/@RobBraxmanTech:6/caveman:0 [08:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | Ask the Caveman: Are All Social Media Apps Bad? [08:51] techrights-bot/fn Good summary of how #freenode simply harmed itself this past Tuesday (very very dark day to those of who who still relied on freenode) https://odysee.com/@BrodieRobertson:5/freenode-is-now-dead-birth-of-a-new:b [08:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | Freenode Is Now Dead: Birth Of A New Freenode [08:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 31.75 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 17.81 swarm size (avg): 263.93 ● Jun 18 [09:00] techrights-bot/fn #nextcloud https://mastodon.xyz/@nextcloud/106421347724687764 [09:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.xyz | Nextcloud : "The Dutch Data Protection Authority advises Dutch" - Mastodon [09:04] techrights-bot/fn "It does appear that Microsoft's been doing a fair bit of swotting on Linux desktops when designing Windows 11. Unsurprising. Microsoft have been slowly copying all the many innovations to user interfaces created by #FOSS communities." https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@lightweight/106427944620347953 [09:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.nzoss.nz | Dave Lane: "It does appear that Microsoft's been doing a fair" - Mastodon - NZOSS [09:05] techrights-bot/fn "Spend a few minutes today to save yourself tomorrow." https://mastodon.social/@dvl/106427483432442617 [09:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.social | Dan Langille: "Spend a few minutes today to save yourself tomorr" - Mastodon [09:06] techrights-bot/fn The confidentiality of communications protects Art.7 right to #privacy. The European Court has repeatedly ruled against wholesale surveillance of communications on that basis and as such this derogation does not comply with the Charter and is a breach of EU law. https://chaos.social/@echo_pbreyer/106426641693733482 [09:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Patrick Breyer: "RT @EIF4eu@twitter.com The confidentiality of c" - chaos.social [09:07] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #VOANews #PressFreedom Detained American Journalist Appears in #Myanmar Special Court https://www.voanews.com/press-freedom/detained-american-journalist-appears-myanmar-special-court [09:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.voanews.com | Detained American Journalist Appears in Myanmar Special Court | Voice of America - English [09:08] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #TheEconomist #PressFreedom #hk Hong Kongs liberal media are under pressure https://www.economist.com/china/2021/06/19/hong-kongs-liberal-media-are-under-pressure [09:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hong Kongs liberal media are under pressure | The Economist [09:11] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #BroadbandBreakfast #Internet Congress Must Prioritize Connectivity in Underserved Areas Over Higher Speeds https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2021/06/congress-must-prioritize-connectivity-in-underserved-areas-over-higher-speeds/ [09:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-broadbandbreakfast.com | Congress Must Prioritize Connectivity in Underserved Areas Over Higher Speeds : Broadband Breakfast [09:13] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #BBC #Copyrights #Pornhub videos: Women sue, alleging lack of consent https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57517220 [09:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Pornhub videos: Women sue, alleging lack of consent - BBC News [09:15] techrights-bot/fn The #meduza RSS feed has not been updating since May 21th, i.e. nearly a month ago. They never reply to me when I report such issues to them (as happened before). They dig their own grave at a time they could use allies/traffic. https://meduza.io/rss2/en/all [09:15] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights Bill To Automatically Delete Pirated Content From Search Engines Submitted in Russia https://torrentfreak.com/bill-to-automatically-delete-pirated-content-from-search-engines-submitted-in-russia-210617/ [09:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bill To Automatically Delete Pirated Content From Search Engines Submitted in Russia * TorrentFreak [09:16] immibis DaemonFC_phone: you're okay with the extinction of humanity due to climate change, then? [09:17] schestowitz [09:17] NEWS #ClimateNewsNetwork #climate UKs 'really shocking' climate record is damned https://climatenewsnetwork.net/uks-really-shocking-climate-record-is-damned/ [09:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-climatenewsnetwork.net | UKs 'really shocking' climate record is damned | Climate News Network [09:20] techrights-bot/fn The #SelfHosting Song http://techrights.org/2021/06/18/self-hosting-song/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/18/self-hosting-song/ [09:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Self-Hosting Song | Techrights [09:21] techrights-bot/fn Cautionary tales about outsourcing ones systems to companies that could not care less about anyone but themselves http://techrights.org/2021/06/18/self-hosting-song/ #Techrights #clownComputing #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/18/self-hosting-song/ [09:21] techrights-bot/fn #IRC Proceedings: Thursday, June 17, 2021 http://techrights.org/2021/06/18/irc-log-170621/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/18/irc-log-170621/ [09:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Thursday, June 17, 2021 | Techrights [09:24] techrights-bot/fn HELP! PLEASE!!! What #ibm did to #fedora ... https://fedoramagazine.org/write-for-fedora-magazine-please/ [09:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoramagazine.org | Write for Fedora Magazine, please! - Fedora Magazine [09:26] immibis btw. the public propaganda and agitation is illegal according to 130StgB in germany, which makes me wonder why most of involved politicians and media agitators aren't jailed yet <-- you mean why people aren't jailed for saying covid is dangerous and should be stopped? [09:26] techrights-bot/fn Since becoming #selfhosted the #irc logs in #techrights have been longer, as the channels became even more active than before. Yesterday: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techrights-170621.txt [09:27] schestowitz immibis: covid id dangerous [09:27] schestowitz people who say it is not should be ignored [09:27] schestowitz if not laughed at [09:27] schestowitz that should typically suffice [09:27] schestowitz in better educated countries that would work [09:28] immibis if only we'd decided to stop it 14 months ago. We could've had 14 extra months of life [09:28] immibis activelow appears to be one of those people who say that covid is not dangerous, and that people who promoted the "narrative" that it is dangerous should be in jail for "terrorism" [09:29] schestowitz whatever :-) [09:29] immibis NZers got to keep about 10-12 of their 14 months [09:29] schestowitz those people get ignored faster in IRC [09:29] immibis sadly, ignoring people doesn't stop them forming echo chambers, recruiting new members, and then voting [09:30] schestowitz Uk wants people to think they can be overconfident and back to the office once they got the jab [09:30] schestowitz I suppose that's partly done by people with investments in office space [09:30] schestowitz and who also own some of the media [09:30] immibis https://www.berlin.de/corona/lagebericht/ cases for berlin (click on "Zeitlicher Verlauf") [09:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Corona-Lagebericht - Berlin.de [09:31] schestowitz NZ is fairly well educated a country, a lot like scandinavian nations [09:31] immibis it seems enough people have gotten jabbed for covid to plummet like a rock [09:31] schestowitz FB is disinfo amplifier, all across the spectrum [09:31] immibis however, i wish they hadn't reopened stuff in february, because maybe we could have saved 5 months [09:31] immibis and gotten here in march [09:31] immibis s/5/3/ [09:32] schestowitz ok, bbiab [09:32] schestowitz need to do exercise [09:33] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #EFF #police Emails from 2016 Show #Amazon Ring's Hold on the #LAPD Through Camera Giveaways https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/06/emails-show-amazon-rings-hold-lapd-through-camera-giveaways [09:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Emails from 2016 Show Amazon Ring's Hold on the LAPD Through Camera Giveaways | Electronic Frontier Foundation [09:35] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #RaspberryPi #RasPi #GNU #Linux Pico Pico Synth | HackSpace #44 https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/pico-pico-synth-hackspace-44/ [09:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.raspberrypi.org | Pico Pico Synth | HackSpace #44 - Raspberry Pi [09:36] Ariadne [03:28] if only we'd decided to stop it 14 months ago. We could've had 14 extra months of life [09:36] Ariadne wyoming never shutdown fully, but strict quarantine requirements were put in place for anyone entering [09:37] Ariadne the vaccine rollout was a total disaster tho [09:37] Ariadne they went from doing a decent quarantine to absolute garbage vaccine rollout [09:51] immibis yesterday i saw someone complaining about the mandatory testing in germany. you can't be anti-vaccines AND anti-testing unless you are simply pro-COVID [09:51] immibis because widespread testing is a way to stop COVID *without* vaccines [09:56] gustaf immibis: there's nothing really rational about antivaxx [09:56] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Leaving) [09:56] immibis indeed [09:57] gustaf we had idiots protesting here in Sweden, even if we're the country with the least restrictions imainable [09:57] immibis they've started calling themselves "not antivax, just anti this vax" [09:58] gustaf stalking horse [09:58] gustaf got my 2nd jab appointment [09:58] gustaf my wife felt quite poorly after hers [09:58] gustaf so planning for that ● Jun 18 [10:00] *job has quit (connection closed) [10:06] Ariadne but will you have improved wifi reception [10:07] Ariadne to be clear widespread testing (like they did in wyoming) only works if people will actually quarantine [10:07] Ariadne most americans will be like [10:08] Ariadne muh freedoms [10:11] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #Techdirt #Antitrust Recent Antitrust Push Is Weirdly Narrow, Pretends Telecom And Banking Don't Exist https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210615/07412446992/recent-antitrust-push-is-weirdly-narrow-pretends-telecom-banking-dont-exist.shtml [10:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Recent Antitrust Push Is Weirdly Narrow, Pretends Telecom And Banking Don't Exist | Techdirt [10:11] techrights-bot/fn #techdirt would have likely mentioned #BigOil too if it hadn't received money from the #koch brothers... [10:12] schestowitz [09:51] yesterday i saw someone complaining about the mandatory testing in germany. you can't be anti-vaccines AND anti-testing unless you are simply pro-COVID [10:12] schestowitz or self-isolating, working from home [10:12] schestowitz we do about a million tests a day here [10:13] schestowitz we isolated ourselves 3 weeks ago [10:13] schestowitz we only met one friend and a bunch of young cattle [10:14] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #Techdirt #canada #Privacy Canadian Privacy Commissioner Says #RCMP Broke The Law By Doing Business With #Clearview https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210610/12460246968/canadian-privacy-commissioner-says-rcmp-broke-law-doing-business-with-clearview.shtml [10:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Canadian Privacy Commissioner Says RCMP Broke The Law By Doing Business With Clearview | Techdirt [10:15] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #PapersPlease #DHS still evades review of #nofly orders https://papersplease.org/wp/2021/06/17/dhs-still-evades-review-of-no-fly-orders/ [10:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-papersplease.org | DHS still evades review of no-fly orders Papers, Please! [10:15] techrights-bot/fn Dash to Panel Extension is Now Available for GNOME 40 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152413 [10:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Dash to Panel Extension is Now Available for GNOME 40 | Tux Machines [10:16] Ariadne my understanding is that the mandatory covid testing is only for in office setting [10:16] schestowitz yeah [10:16] Ariadne and employees do have the right to decline [10:16] Ariadne but employers are obligated to offer [10:16] schestowitz they can be forced to stay home for 2 weeks [10:17] schestowitz all those "apps" are becoming something one can only ever lose from, but I recognise some people have no choice but to meet people at work [10:17] schestowitz our gov. might soon recommend making home-working the permanent standard where feasible [10:17] schestowitz a friend gave me his third monitor, so now we have 10 screens here, it covers anything imaginable [10:17] schestowitz also gives heat in winter :-) [10:18] Ariadne at least jitsi runs in the browser [10:18] schestowitz anecdote [10:18] Ariadne google meet lets you just dial in [10:18] schestowitz this friend's partner, 49 years old, collapse 3 times in the past few weeks [10:19] schestowitz about a month after she got the AZ jab, I think [10:19] schestowitz they cannot figure out what it is or how to put an end to those random falls [10:19] schestowitz my friend regrets taking it himself. he got it and said if he was asked again, he's say no [10:20] Ariadne i would stick with the mRNA based vaccines [10:20] schestowitz I want not AZ one [10:20] Ariadne they seem to be the most precise [10:20] Ariadne with minimal side effects [10:20] schestowitz for now we practice self-isolation [10:20] Ariadne i got both pfizer jabs back in march [10:20] Ariadne im fine [10:21] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #TruthOut #Montana Is Making It Harder for Transgender People to Amend Birth Certificates https://truthout.org/articles/montana-is-making-it-harder-for-transgender-people-to-amend-birth-certificates/ [10:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Montana Is Making It Harder for Transgender People to Amend Birth Certificates [10:21] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #CommonDreams #Medicare After #SCOTUS Upholds ACA, Progressives Set Sights on Medicare for All https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/06/17/after-scotus-upholds-aca-progressives-set-sights-medicare-all [10:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | After SCOTUS Upholds ACA, Progressives Set Sights on Medicare for All | Common Dreams News [10:23] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #Techdirt After Eight Years And Three Reviews Of The Case, #Indiana Supreme Court Rules Police Must Return Seized Car To Its Owner https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210610/19155846970/after-eight-years-three-reviews-case-indiana-supreme-court-rules-police-must-return-seized-car-to-owner.shtml [10:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-After Eight Years And Three Reviews Of The Case, Indiana Supreme Court Rules Police Must Return Seized Car To Its Owner | Techdirt [10:24] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #Techdirt #FCC Gives ISP $8,000 To Deliver #Broadband Five Feet From Apple's $5 Billion Campus https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210615/09130146993/fcc-gives-isp-8000-to-deliver-broadband-five-feet-apples-5-billion-campus.shtml [10:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-FCC Gives ISP $8,000 To Deliver Broadband Five Feet From Apple's $5 Billion Campus | Techdirt [10:24] techrights-bot/fn Outrage at #ProPublica Tax Leaks Underscores Their Importance https://fair.org/home/outrage-at-propublica-tax-leaks-underscores-their-importance/ [10:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fair.org | Outrage at ProPublica Tax Leaks Underscores Their Importance - FAIR [10:25] techrights-bot/fn IT IS NOT ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE HATE YOU. It is all about WHO hates you and WHY. [10:25] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #EFF Changing Section 230 Wont Make the Internet a Kinder, Gentler Place https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/06/changing-section-230-wont-make-internet-kinder-gentler-place [10:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Changing Section 230 Wont Make the Internet a Kinder, Gentler Place | Electronic Frontier Foundation [10:27] gustaf Pfizer here too [10:27] gustaf AZ for the oldz [10:27] immibis gustaf: note it seems to vary a lot. My first one was terrible (but for only one day), my second one was almost unnoticeable [10:28] gustaf yeah I felt nada for my first [10:28] schestowitz they need to test people for antibodies before choosing [10:28] schestowitz but some of the rollouts are 'lazy' [10:28] immibis by the way, regarding apps, we should not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Apps can be used for both good and evil [10:28] schestowitz it's a genetic term [10:28] schestowitz I was referring to one specific type [10:29] immibis even governments (gasp!) are capable of both good and evil [10:29] schestowitz the sort of "apps" that can get you home-bound just because a neighbour tested positive [10:29] gustaf that's not tech, that's policy [10:29] schestowitz the app enforces poor policy [10:30] schestowitz they should instead test you [10:30] immibis if the app finds you were in close proximity to someone who tests positive, aren't you only required to get a test, and isolate until your test? [10:30] gustaf is't covid so endemic now that that kind of contact tracing is useless? [10:30] gustaf bbl lunch [10:30] schestowitz those apps gave a false sense of confidence [10:31] schestowitz same for the jabs, here and there [10:31] immibis actually. does the app actually enforce anything at all? I thought it just told you that you might have covid [10:31] schestowitz people who think they are invulnerable now [10:31] schestowitz and then go about without masks and totally careless [10:31] immibis gustaf: apparently it's too much work for humans to do... which is *why* it'd be good for a system to do it [10:31] schestowitz immibis: I was told they can enforce based on it [10:32] Ariadne some apps, like the one wyoming uses, does enforce a quarantine [10:32] immibis also consider that quarantining too many people is better than quarantining too few [10:32] Ariadne during the quarantine period you have to do daily checking [10:32] immibis if you quarantine the right amount or too many then soon there will be no need for a quarantine at all [10:32] Ariadne and if you dont then you will get an angry phone call [10:32] schestowitz we're losing control of it here [10:32] schestowitz if you go out there to town you can see why [10:32] Ariadne and if you still ignore it, youll get cops maybe [10:32] Ariadne idk [10:33] Ariadne where i live there is not even electric grid [10:33] schestowitz we stopped the gym membership [10:33] immibis berlin cases are dropping despite opening lots. vaccines work [10:33] schestowitz first time in decades... and our stupid Pry Minister wanted us to think it would be over or was all over a year ago ^_^ [10:36] immibis could have been, if people were smart [10:45] *job (~job@42cscff4sp33s.irc) has joined #techrights [10:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 38.75 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 12.63 swarm size (avg): 267.88 ● Jun 18 [11:38] schestowitz immibis: people were Smart(TM). They "GOT THE APP" [11:38] schestowitz watch out, coronavirsus, we have "APPS"!! 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Amazon, a Public Utility?: Keep Your Fingers Crossed https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/06/17/break-up-big-tech-amazon-a-public-utility-keep-your-fingers-crossed/ [12:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Break-Up Big Tech? Amazon, a Public Utility?: Keep Your Fingers Crossed - CounterPunch.org [12:32] techrights-bot/fn #HowTo Browse with #Tor to Protect Your Privacy Online https://linuxiac.com/browse-with-tor/ #linuxiac | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/18/#latest [12:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxiac.com | How to Browse with Tor to Protect Your Privacy Online [12:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [12:32] immibis schestowitz: watch out coronavirus, we have *not spreading coronavirus*. Apps are just one way to try and not spread it. [12:36] techrights-bot/fn #microsoftTim promotes #systemd like it's a #microsoft product (well, it is being developed using Microsoft's #proprietarySoftware prison) https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/16/systemd_249_release_candidate/ [12:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Systemd 249 release candidate includes better support for immutable OSes and provisioning images The Register [12:45] schestowitz immibis: version 2.1 of the app will also kill "omega" and "theta" [12:49] *kingoffrance has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:49] *x_ (~x__@4mmu4fx6g3jvs.irc) has joined #techrights [12:54] schestowitz hi x_ [12:55] techrights-bot/fn Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152419 [12:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [12:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 35.20 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 25.51 swarm size (avg): 270.73 ● Jun 18 [13:02] techrights-bot/fn #Vomitoreum is a retro-styled FPS Metroidvania that releases July 30 | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/vomitoreum-a-retro-styled-fps-metroidvania-releases-july-30 #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games [13:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Vomitoreum is a retro-styled FPS Metroidvania that releases July 30 | GamingOnLinux [13:07] immibis ? the app doesn't kill coronavirus, it just helps to find out if you may have been exposed to it [13:07] immibis less exposures, more testing after exposures = less virus [13:08] schestowitz yes, the satire was lost somewhere [13:09] techrights-bot/fn More on #LibreOffice 7.2 Beta and New Changes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152417#comment-29979 [13:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice 7.2 Beta1 is available for testing | Tux Machines [13:10] *job has quit (connection closed) [13:11] techrights-bot/fn Some people want to pass laws that force people to watch ultrasound of an embryo before abortion. But instead, how about presenting to people who order beef from the menu a photograph of the animals they kill (e.g. calf for "veal")? [13:12] *DaemonFC_phone has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:14] techrights-bot/fn #Games : Vomitoreum, Humble, Melvor Idle and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152420 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [13:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Vomitoreum, Humble, Melvor Idle and More | Tux Machines [13:18] *job (~job@42cscff4sp33s.irc) has joined #techrights [13:19] *job has quit (Quit: good night zzz) [13:20] *job (~job@42cscff4sp33s.irc) has joined #techrights [13:35] techrights-bot/fn Links 18/6/2021: LibreOffice 7.2 Beta, Elementary OS 6.0 Beta 2, and Linux Mint 20.2 Uma Beta http://techrights.org/2021/06/18/elementary-os-6-0-beta-2/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/18/elementary-os-6-0-beta-2/ [13:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 18/6/2021: LibreOffice 7.2 Beta, Elementary OS 6.0 Beta 2, and Linux Mint 20.2 Uma Beta | Techrights [13:36] techrights-bot/fn Beta Release for Linux Mint 20.2 Uma (Xfce, MATE, and Cinnamon) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152421 [13:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Beta Release for Linux Mint 20.2 Uma (Xfce, MATE, and Cinnamon) | Tux Machines [13:36] techrights-bot/fn #ProprietarySoftware Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152422 [13:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proprietary Software Leftovers | Tux Machines [13:37] techrights-bot/fn #Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152423 #Linux #TuxMachines [13:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [13:38] techrights-bot/fn Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152424 [13:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [13:40] *x_ is now known as kingoffrance [13:40] techrights-bot/fn Another Johnny Depp? https://www.skysports.com/golf/news/12176/12328223/angel-cabrera-golfer-extradited-to-argentina-on-assault-charges [13:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.skysports.com | Angel Cabrera: Golfer extradited to Argentina on assault charges | Golf News | Sky Sports [13:41] kingoffrance glad that crazy x_ person is gone [13:41] techrights-bot/fn Micron, Mouser sued in #Germany https://www.eenewseurope.com/news/micron-mouser-sued-germany #eenewseurope | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/18/#latest [13:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eenewseurope.com | Micron, Mouser sued in Germany [13:43] MinceR :> [13:43] gustaf Monsieur X_ [13:44] immibis Some people want to pass laws that force people to watch ultrasound of an embryo before abortion. But instead, how about presenting to people who order beef from the menu a photograph of the animals they kill (e.g. calf for "veal")? [13:44] immibis very true. also I wish *all* they had to do was watch an ultrasound. that way it'd actually be legal in more places [13:47] gustaf just phase out subsidies for meat production [13:47] gustaf let the market decide [13:51] immibis the market will burn down the amazon because it has no market value ● Jun 18 [14:22] techrights-bot/fn #patents on rifles that kill #animals for 'sport' https://www.juve-patent.com/news-and-stories/cases/partial-win-for-heckler-koch-in-assault-rifle-procurement-in-germany/ [14:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.juve-patent.com | Partial win for Heckler & Koch in assault rifle procurement in Germany - JUVE Patent [14:24] techrights-bot/fn #freenode messed up so badly that #ipfire is almost quitting #irc altogether https://blog.ipfire.org/post/relaunching-ipfire [14:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.ipfire.org - Relaunching #ipfire [14:27] techrights-bot/fn #google paid #mozilla which created #rustlang and now Google wants to impose another #programming language, controlled to a large degree by #microsoft , on Torvalds ... in the name of "security" ... because money buys decisions https://techstory.in/google-funds-linux-project-to-fix-vulnerabilities-and-enhance-security/ see http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/ [14:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techstory.in | Google funds Linux project to fix vulnerabilities and enhance security [14:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Kernel Needs to Reject Rust for the Same Reason Linus Torvalds Rejects GitHub (Where Rust is Hosted and Developed) | Techrights [14:30] immibis are we denying that rust has good security ideas now [14:31] techrights-bot/fn Nothing of value was lost, just Microsoft spyware http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152391#comment-29980 [14:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Microsoft loves Linux so much that packages.microsoft.com has fallen and can't get up | Tux Machines [14:32] techrights-bot/fn Reminder that #qt5 is ALREADY #ProprietarySoftware and #KDE needs to fork #qt or something, even before #qt6 transition https://www.qt.io/blog/commercial-lts-qt-5.15.5-released [14:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.qt.io | Commercial LTS Qt 5.15.5 Released [14:33] techrights-bot/fn #IBM should pay Remi Collet. IBM loves exploiting people. Unpaid volunteers need to get a share of IBM's fast-declining profits (if any). https://blog.remirepo.net/post/2021/06/18/PHP-version-7.4.21RC1-and-8.0.8RC1 [14:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.remirepo.net | PHP version 7.4.21RC1 and 8.0.8RC1 - Remi's RPM repository - Blog [14:34] techrights-bot/fn #Adreno 660 GPU Support Landing For Linux 5.14 - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.14-A660-Landing #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/18/#latest [14:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Adreno 660 GPU Support Landing For Linux 5.14 - Phoronix [14:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [14:35] techrights-bot/fn New Linux Patch To Allow Booting From Arbitrary Non-Block Device File-Systems - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-Boot-Non-BD-File-Systems #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/18/#latest [14:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-New Linux Patch To Allow Booting From Arbitrary Non-Block Device File-Systems - Phoronix [14:38] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@qxmcfw4stsq4n.irc) has joined #techrights [14:39] techrights-bot/fn #Mir 2.4, enhancing digital signage and smart screen development http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152425 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [14:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mir 2.4, enhancing digital signage and smart screen development | Tux Machines [14:48] techrights-bot/fn The EPO's Virtual Injustice and Virtual ('News') Media http://techrights.org/2021/06/18/virtual-media/ #epo #patents #europe [14:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPOs Virtual Injustice and Virtual (News) Media | Techrights [14:49] techrights-bot/fn All #techrights videos from the month of June (so far) http://techrights.org/videos/ [14:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full Videos Index [14:54] DaemonFC The calendar in Vista10 already includes "Juneteenth". Won't be too long before all of the public schools teach an alternate universe history about it and people forget that we got it as a federal holiday because of people looting and burning down cities over a crackhead with a rap sheet including armed robberies that was taunting the police. [14:55] MinceR never mind the police behaving in an unacceptable way [14:56] DaemonFC Jerry! Jerry! Jerry! [14:56] MinceR we gave them privileges with the expectation that they would be abused against us [14:56] MinceR the "social contract" is a gigantic scam [14:56] immibis as with most libertarian ideas, that's really far off the mark. Police are necessary, and police should not be organized thugs, except against criminals [14:57] MinceR hobbes' "leviathan" is just a bunch of humans wearing costumes, no better than the rest of us [14:58] MinceR immibis: good luck finding a bunch of humans you can give a monopoly on violence and not have them turn into organized thugs [14:58] MinceR i suppose you could hope for them to be unorganized thugs, that is at least somewhat likely [14:58] immibis MinceR: power should flow from people -> government institutions -> people again [14:58] activelow police requires education [14:58] schestowitz should be do a post about rust in Linux? [14:58] schestowitz I'm no rust expert [14:58] schestowitz so on the technical merits it would be weak [14:58] MinceR immibis: it should, but it never does [14:58] immibis MinceR: most of us don't want there to be criminals, so we assign some of us to be in charge of stopping criminals to get the economy of scale [14:59] MinceR immibis: yeah, and it doesn't work [14:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 37.38 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 6.11 swarm size (avg): 273.77 [14:59] immibis if they are corrupt we should unassign them. They are no longer allowed to be criminal stoppers. Other peopel can be the criminal stoppers [14:59] immibis these things seem to work at least okay-ish in the entire developed world except the US [14:59] MinceR no, not really [14:59] schestowitz with police, the worst actors get the most publicity [14:59] activelow problem with rust isn't rust itself, it is the compiler dependency, and with it a hard vendor lock-in introduced [14:59] schestowitz and that's enough to toss the whole lot under the bus ● Jun 18 [15:00] MinceR it doesn't work in hungary either [15:00] *MathAmphetamine (~coderain@hcdzgjg37iuk6.irc) has joined #techrights [15:00] schestowitz it's worse if the most aggressive ones also get promoted [15:00] immibis if the most aggressive ones get promoted the problem is systemic [15:00] MinceR it attracts the people who are the least fit to be there [15:00] immibis ultimately the people should (democratically) have the power over the police, which have power over the people individually [15:01] immibis If the police say go to jail, you go to jail, but if the majority say abolish the police and let that guy out, abolish the police and let that guy out [15:01] immibis (noting also that there are checks and balances on going to jail) [15:02] activelow if you are referring to police it is important to distuingish the which: USA? Germany? Russia? [15:02] activelow education is different. and level of crime too. [15:02] activelow *the region [15:03] activelow in USA some police require only a course of a few weeks to become policement [15:03] immibis people say that different regions need different social institutions, like different policing styles, but that is often not true - the reason the people are different comes down to *other* social institutions like education [15:04] *MathAmphetamine has quit (Quit: Leaving) [15:04] *psymin (~psymin@me3biw7mdts84.irc) has joined #techrights [15:04] *CrystalMath (~coderain@hcdzgjg37iuk6.irc) has joined #techrights [15:04] immibis the institutions don't need to be adapted to the people very much, we simply need the best ones everywhere [15:05] MinceR democracy isn't working either [15:05] immibis it can work. improvements are needed [15:05] MinceR unlikely with humans [15:06] immibis start with MMP voting and educated people [15:06] techrights-bot/fn [Meme] When the 'Court' Drops http://techrights.org/2021/06/18/meme-when-the-court-drops/ #epo #patents #kangaroocourts #europe [15:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] When the Court Drops | Techrights [15:06] CrystalMath democracy always requires a constitution [15:06] CrystalMath it can't work without guaranteed rights that cannot be voted out [15:06] MinceR what good is a constitution if the government ignores it [15:06] immibis with all due respect I'm not sure CrystalMath knows what those words mean [15:06] CrystalMath immibis: there's absolutely no respect in that sentence [15:07] immibis i suppose you think the majority wants to vote out all your rights? [15:07] MinceR immibis: and where do you get educated people anyway\ [15:07] immibis and i suppose you are specifically worried about freedom of speech and freedom of guns? [15:07] CrystalMath what though rights should be kinda depends on the culture [15:08] CrystalMath i personally don't care about guns, i don't own any [15:08] CrystalMath i do care about free speech [15:08] immibis if the needed rights depend on the culture, and culture changes, then shouldn't it be possible to change those rights? Say, democratically? [15:08] DaemonFC https://wgntv.com/news/chicagocrime/man-shot-during-attempted-gold-coast-carjacking/ [15:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wgntv.com | Man shot during attempted Gold Coast carjacking | WGN-TV [15:08] immibis or do you think culture never changes? [15:08] DaemonFC MinceR, An attempted reparation was ended prematurely this morning by a FOID card holder. [15:09] CrystalMath immibis: i do believe in being allowed to secede and make a new constitution [15:09] CrystalMath kinda like a fork [15:09] DaemonFC mjg59 is off somewhere crying I suppose. [15:09] immibis that seems like a lot of work [15:09] MinceR :> [15:09] immibis what's wrong with just voting for it? [15:09] MinceR culture will definitely change by humans becoming extinct [15:09] schestowitz if any other species are left [15:10] schestowitz rock culture [15:10] CrystalMath immibis: the problem is that Adolf Hitler was democratically elected; changes to culture therefore need to be slowed down by constitutions [15:10] activelow he wasn't [15:10] MinceR i think some bacteria and/or archaea will survive for a couple billions of years [15:10] DaemonFC We wouldn't really even need the police or courts if people could keep their hands to themselves and quit trying to take things that weren't theirs. [15:10] schestowitz he wasn't, indeed [15:10] schestowitz it's trickier than this, iirc he lacked a majority too [15:10] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_1933_German_federal_election [15:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | March 1933 German federal election - Wikipedia [15:10] activelow he had a majority, it wasn't democratic [15:10] immibis CrystalMath: the problem with Hitler was not the election system, the problem was the people who voted for him [15:11] schestowitz 33.09% of votes [15:11] DaemonFC It's pretty much that simple. People think Libertarians are crazy for some reason. What's crazy is having police to deal with crime and then not letting them deal with crime because someone has an Eighth Grade graduation picture to dig up later. [15:11] MinceR i think the problem is that there's no system that can help a bunch of stupid and evil beings run a civilized society [15:11] immibis DaemonFC: LOL you want to ignore human nature now [15:11] schestowitz 88.74% turnout [15:11] immibis MinceR: But there are systems where we can put the least stupid and least evil beings in charge [15:12] MinceR i guess it's time to try them, then [15:12] schestowitz They should do a two-pass election, where you pit the top two after the first round [15:12] MinceR putting the sociopaths in charge didn't work out [15:12] schestowitz to avoid lesser evilism [15:12] DaemonFC Crime obviously doesn't go away in Stand Your Ground states, but it does go down considerably when people know there's a good chance they'll get shot trying to make off with not a whole lot. [15:12] immibis there are other electoral systems than two-pass [15:12] immibis ranked choice does all the passes at once [15:12] schestowitz eventually germany was in rubble, iirc 8 million german dead, and maybe 60 million in total dead in eurasia [15:12] immibis DaemonFC: i'm sure thefts go down, and murders go up [15:13] schestowitz but the voters wanted "MAGA!" [15:13] DaemonFC When they know there's a low barrier to trying to take a cell phone, they'll go for it. It's amazing how hard these criminals work to get a cell phone when they have to split it three ways and they could make more working an hour or two at a McDonalds. [15:13] DaemonFC (Personal experience.) [15:13] activelow the man slaughter had begun with the red terror [15:13] immibis DaemonFC: perhaps it's not as simple as you think [15:13] MinceR schestowitz: A for allemand? [15:13] immibis DaemonFC: if they could make more money working at mcdonalds, why would they steal cellphones? Are they simply stupid? [15:14] immibis or, perhaps they can't actually make more money working at mcdonalds? [15:14] DaemonFC Pretty much. [15:14] DaemonFC You make almost $20 an hour working at McDonalds now. [15:14] immibis that's more than unemployment, right? [15:15] DaemonFC A Galaxy S6+ was worth maybe $80-90 as a used phone when they stole mine. It took three of them pointing a gun at me to do it. [15:15] DaemonFC Water finds its own level, I guess. [15:15] immibis if so, then why are people complaining about unemployment being more? [15:15] immibis have you considered that vastly fewer criminals would have guns if guns weren't so normalized and easy to get? [15:15] DaemonFC Because they don't want to fill out an application. [15:15] immibis don't you have to fill out an application to get a gun? [15:15] DaemonFC Slinging drugs is easier and they know they have the cops on the run because "racist". [15:16] immibis maybe if you had to fill out an application to get a gun, people who wouldn't fill out an application for mcdonalds also wouldn't have guns [15:16] DaemonFC A job application. [15:16] techrights-bot/fn TI AM64x 7-core processor is made for PLCs, motor drives, industrial robots - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/06/18/ti-am64x-7-core-processor-is-made-for-plcs-motor-drives-industrial-robots/ #Linux #GNU #Hardware #cnxsoftware | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/18/#latest [15:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | TI AM64x 7-core processor is made for PLC's, motor drives, industrial robots - CNX Software [15:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [15:16] DaemonFC It even came up as a joke in The Boondocks as one of the easiest ways to scare out the ghost of Stinkmeaner. [15:16] techrights-bot/fn Modula-2 #Programming Language Front-End Still Looking Towards Mainline #GCC In 2021 - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Modula-2-GCC-Mainline-Hope-2021 #Phoronix [15:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Modula-2 Programming Language Front-End Still Looking Towards Mainline GCC In 2021 - Phoronix [15:17] immibis what is this racism stuff you're complaining about? [15:17] DaemonFC Any unfortunate truth is racist. [15:17] techrights-bot/fn A revival at the intersection of open source and open standards - TechCrunch https://techcrunch.com/2021/06/09/a-revival-at-the-intersection-of-open-source-and-open-standards/ #techcrunch | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/18/#latest [15:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A revival at the intersection of open source and open standards TechCrunch [15:18] immibis DaemonFC: that is complete nonsense [15:18] DaemonFC If the truth isn't racist, it's at least transphobic. [15:18] immibis DaemonFC: that is complete nonsense. I suspect you are only talking about specific "truths", not all truths [15:18] DaemonFC It shuts down the guy with a valid argument quickly. Gets them banned and deplatformed too. [15:18] MinceR i wonder how that works [15:18] techrights-bot/fn "Pointless meetings are nothing new; theyre so pervasive that surviving another meeting that should have been an email reached meme status back in the 2000s." https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2021/6/hybrid-work-7-signs-meeting-should-be-email [15:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-enterprisersproject.com | Hybrid work: 7 signs that meeting should be an email | The Enterprisers Project [15:18] DaemonFC Matrix.org is coming apart completely. [15:18] MinceR something being transphobic and outragists claiming it's transphobic are 2 different things [15:19] immibis someone like DaemonFC will say "Black people are genetically inferior" (which he feels is an unfortunate truth), some "libtard" will say "that's racist", and someone like DaemonFC will conclude that all unfortunate truths are racist [15:19] MinceR also, i'm not sure how a different election system is supposed to make people not fall for the lies of people who lie all the time for power [15:19] DaemonFC The only thing left there are kids trying to evade a New York public school firewall. [15:19] techrights-bot/fn #Java EE and Jakarta EE: What IT leaders should know | The Enterprisers Project https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2021/6/java-ee-and-jakarta-ee-what-it-leaders-should-know #enterprisersproject #ibm #programming | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/18/#latest [15:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-enterprisersproject.com | Java EE and Jakarta EE: What IT leaders should know | The Enterprisers Project [15:19] MinceR or how you can change education so that on the long term it won't favor the people who are currently in power [15:19] DaemonFC The retards running Matrix.org have chased everyone who isn't mentally ill out. [15:19] immibis MinceR: what if there was a way to recall politicians at any time? [15:20] DaemonFC I can only speculate as to why they want a bunch of children there. [15:20] MinceR not sure [15:20] immibis i see the nazis passed an a [15:20] MinceR they most successful ones lie all the time [15:20] immibis i see the nazis passed an emergency law to speed up the government process... such laws can be valid if there is an actual emergency which requires prompt action, but everything which is done under the law MUST be reviewed afterwards [15:20] immibis they are not simply excuses to murder your opponents [15:21] MinceR and then the "emergency" will just last forever [15:21] techrights-bot/fn #Authorino needs to #deletegithub because it is #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware in NSA PRISM and therefore it CANNOT be trusted for anything security related https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2021/06/18/authorino-making-open-source-cloud-native-api-security-simple-and-flexible [15:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developers.redhat.com | Authorino: Making open source, cloud-native API security simple and flexible | Red Hat Developer [15:21] MinceR not that it matters -- ignoring the law is standard operating procedure for all governments, afaict [15:21] DaemonFC Matrix is a failure, not because of the tech, but because of the people running the primary instance. [15:21] immibis MinceR: real emergencies do actually exist and sometimes waiting for the normal process is actually detrimental [15:22] MinceR which is handy for the sociopaths [15:22] techrights-bot/fn A discussion of this mornings post (part 10 in a series) about the shallow media/blog coverage that followed or accompanied last months notorious #EPO hearing http://techrights.org/2021/06/18/virtual-media/ #Techrights #kangaroocourt #patents | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/18/virtual-media/ [15:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPOs Virtual Injustice and Virtual (News) Media | Techrights [15:22] MinceR all they need to do is wait for a real emergency to turn on the state of emergency [15:22] MinceR and then never turn it off [15:23] techrights-bot/fn As the #EPO sneakily outsourced courts to American companies and parties in dispute depend on their ISP for #accesstojustice theres a catastrophic impact on the very concept of justice or the #righttobeheard http://techrights.org/2021/06/18/meme-when-the-court-drops/ #Techrights #europe | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techr [15:23] techrights-bot/fn ights.org/2021/06/18/meme-when-the-cour [15:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] When the Court Drops | Techrights [15:23] immibis you might notice that so many countries have put expiry dates on their coronavirus laws [15:23] MinceR not hungary, though [15:23] immibis and they have to keep actively extending them. And of course the covidiots spin it as "lol they're just dictators now" [15:23] MinceR it was just a "keep voting for it" process [15:23] XRevan86 schestowitz: It's very annoying that English Meduza still hasn't fixed the feed. Can ye cast them on Twatter? [15:23] MinceR and then maybe not even that [15:23] techrights-bot/fn "If you haven't read my previous blog post on #coroutines in C++, you want to do that before reading this blog post." https://blog.blackquill.cc/c-coroutines-two-electric-boogaloo-co_await-a-qnetworkreply #cpp #programming [15:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.blackquill.cc | C++ Coroutines Two: Electric Boogaloo: co_await a QNetworkReply* Janet's Shenanigans [15:23] immibis but actually the continual extension thing is a way to mitigate that. As long as coronavirus keeps going they can keep extending it. But if there's no more coronavirus there will be enough people who say "no what the fuck are you doing" [15:24] MinceR it would be, if we had democracy [15:24] immibis they can't extend it past the end of coronavirus without being blatantly corrupt [15:24] psymin isn't it already blatantly corrupt [15:24] immibis psymin: not hitler levels of corrupt [15:24] *job has quit (connection closed) [15:24] MinceR but what we actually have is a parliament dominated by the state party, no freedom of speech, no freedom of the press and no free elections [15:24] psymin There is corrupt and morally corrupt, and they're different [15:25] immibis when you say "no freedom of speech" do you mean "criticizing the government gets you jailed" or do you mean "you can't say the N word on Twitter"? [15:25] MinceR 18 162412 < immibis> they can't extend it past the end of coronavirus without being blatantly corrupt [15:25] MinceR they can extend the pandemic anyway [15:25] MinceR and they already did [15:25] immibis MinceR: the pandemic is real, it's our own fault it's kept going for the past year [15:25] MinceR for example, they lied about masks so people won't wear them [15:25] DaemonFC Anyway, now that we're having federal holidays for criminals, perhaps a Ted Bundy day or a Jeffrey Dahmer day or something. [15:25] MinceR they tried to force fake crap vaccines on people so people would not want to get vaccinated [15:26] psymin WHO coverup for Wuhan lab leak [15:26] DaemonFC They too were executed by the state. [15:26] immibis MinceR: they did no such thing, the vaccines are real vaccines [15:26] techrights-bot/fn #Edlin is a joy to use when I want to edit text the "old school" way. https://opensource.com/article/21/6/edlin-freedos #freedos #gpl #freesw #dos [15:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Use this nostalgic text editor on FreeDOS | Opensource.com [15:26] psymin DaemonFC, the holiday isn't for criminals is it? [15:26] MinceR immibis: gamaleya's and sinopharm's vaccines were never proven safe nor effective by independent institutions [15:26] CrystalMath immibis: i think you precisely embody the problem with democracy - "why can't we just vote on it?" and then "the people who don't think like me are the problem and must be removed" [15:27] DaemonFC DaemonFC, the holiday isn't for criminals is it? [15:27] CrystalMath that's why democracy = tyrrany of the majority [15:27] DaemonFC We all know full well where this really came from all of a sudden. [15:27] psymin Majority ruling over the minority is democracy [15:27] schestowitz MinceR: a for achtung achtung [15:27] psymin I'm frustrated with the politics and social strife regarding the holiday. [15:27] CrystalMath i believe in creating a society that is not based on violence, through the Non-Aggression Principle [15:27] MinceR lol [15:27] psymin Also I get holidays off and this wasn't done quick enough so I'm sitting here at work :P [15:27] CrystalMath i think that's the only thing that can truly do it better [15:28] MinceR CrystalMath: how will we create the species that can live in such a society though? [15:28] schestowitz failing artillerist and failed artist as president of the republic [15:28] psymin I like NAP [15:28] immibis CrystalMath: that's one of the cool things about democracy. not everyone knows the truth on everything but the thing that the most people believe tends to be the truth [15:28] MinceR maybe we'll develop an AI before we go extinct [15:28] immibis objective truth [15:28] MinceR immibis: wishful thinking [15:28] psymin Democratic Republic FTW [15:28] MinceR you should have asked most hungarians what they thought in 2010 [15:28] immibis CrystalMath: that's cool, I believe in beating you up and stealing your TV in this society. What are you gonna do about it, if not violence? Will you write a politely worded letter to my bank and ask them to compensate you from my account? [15:29] psymin Violence and Aggression aren't the same [15:29] CrystalMath immibis: the idea is to not initiate violence [15:29] psymin NAP doesn't forbid violence IMO [15:29] MinceR immibis: if you violate the NAP, expect violence to be applied against you [15:29] psymin "fuck around and find out" for example [15:29] immibis "might makes right" is natural law; human civilization is based on setting up incentive structures where the most "might" is on the side of the people who want a civilized society [15:29] MinceR :> [15:29] MinceR immibis: doesn't seem to be working [15:29] schestowitz XRevan86: no, they never reply to my emails [15:29] CrystalMath immibis: the NAP is an incentive structure [15:30] psymin oh crap I have email to reply to [15:30] schestowitz so I lose respect for their attitude [15:30] immibis MinceR: then find a different incentive structure. You can never get rid of "might makes right", because it's natural law, just like the sun rising in the east [15:30] immibis CrystalMath: no, the NAP is just an instruction without consequences for disobeying [15:31] MinceR immibis: seems like we can never make humans behave in a civilized way [15:31] CrystalMath immibis: it does have a consequence implied, since it states that coercion should not be used against people who don't initiate coercion [15:31] immibis MinceR: then let's nuke the world and wait for another intelligent species to evolve. You can start [15:31] MinceR immibis: it's already in progress [15:31] CrystalMath immibis: so it's like what MinceR said [15:31] immibis CrystalMath: if you never even find out who initiates the coercion, how do you retaliate? [15:31] DaemonFC They did away with holiday pay at Walmart apparently. [15:31] MinceR not sure whether it will actually involve nukes, but we'll see [15:31] schestowitz email is also more formal than a 'tweet', so trying to tweet someone whom you already sent an email to seems futile [15:31] CrystalMath <@MinceR> immibis: if you violate the NAP, expect violence to be applied against you [15:31] CrystalMath immibis: nothing is perfect [15:31] DaemonFC They steal from your vacation hours to pay you for Thanksgiving and Christmas. [15:32] immibis CrystalMath: you come home one day and your TV is gone. Now what? [15:32] MinceR we should try 'nothing' then :> [15:32] DaemonFC Let's hope that some asshole doesn't decide that Juneteenth is a "Walmart holiday". [15:32] techrights-bot/fn 5 Best htop alternatives to monitor Linux systems http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152426 [15:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 5 Best htop alternatives to monitor Linux systems | Tux Machines [15:32] CrystalMath immibis: same thing one would do in this society now [15:32] immibis CrystalMath: so the libertarian society is just the current one? [15:32] CrystalMath no, not really, because this society is too centralized [15:32] DaemonFC It's just another way for Walmart to make sure you never accumulate enough PTO to actually go on vacation anywhere. [15:33] immibis how is the NAP any different from the current laws that exist that nobody wants to change? [15:33] CrystalMath immibis: but it would replace the existing structures with just decentralized replacements [15:33] psymin immibis, NAP isn't democratic [15:33] immibis also who decides what the NAP is? [15:33] DaemonFC When I was there, they gave you two weeks paid vacation per year and then blacked out the entire calendar pretty much and made everyone fight for what was left. [15:33] CrystalMath immibis: it's a kind of constution, like what psymin said [15:33] CrystalMath it's maximizing focusing on an idea rather than on people [15:33] DaemonFC So, each year I took two paid weeks off in January or something just so I wouldn't lose it. [15:33] immibis constitutions are centralized [15:34] CrystalMath yes but thankfully the NAP is very short [15:34] DaemonFC If you lose the hours at the end of the year, just burn all of it and at least get to stay indoors for half a month when it's fucking freezing outside. [15:34] CrystalMath a government that runs by this principle can be called a minarchy [15:34] CrystalMath a minimal government [15:34] techrights-bot/fn Time Tracker ActivityWatch v0.11 Released with UI Improvements http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152329#comment-29981 [15:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Software: Surveys, ActivityWatch, Kubernetes, PingMe and More | Tux Machines [15:34] psymin CrystalMath, similar to minix? [15:34] CrystalMath psymin: yes kind of [15:34] psymin Okay, if styles of governance were operating systems .. [15:34] DaemonFC I had to get on this UNIX terminal that looked like it was ripped straight out of a Vault-Tec installation and put X's in days in January. [15:34] CrystalMath everything is handled by separate user software, even the filesystem isn't handled by the kernel [15:35] immibis CrystalMath: does the NAP cover edge cases? you mentioned violence, but taking a TV from your house while you're away is not violence [15:35] CrystalMath immibis: it can be [15:35] DaemonFC My boss would come around "Why the hell do you want that?". I don't.....You wouldn't let me have anything else. Remember? [15:35] psymin immibis, do the 10 commandments cover edge cases? [15:35] immibis so it's fine according to the NAP? Or does it also cover ownership and contract law? [15:35] psymin does anything? [15:35] CrystalMath immibis: if it was done without permission, then it is violence - i believe posessions to be an extension of a person [15:35] immibis psymin: they do not, and therefore some people think "thou shalt not steal" means landlords are illegal [15:35] psymin immibis, then taxes would be as well [15:35] immibis "i believe posessions to be an extension of a person" - well they are not [15:36] immibis psymin: yes, different people think "thou shalt not steal" means taxes are illegal. And other people think neither [15:36] schestowitz they don't die with you [15:36] immibis probably the only thing we can agree on is don't murder people [15:36] schestowitz you do not die with them, either [15:36] DaemonFC People act like surrounding them with crap that's designed to last about 24 months before it's obsolete and/or broken is a good way to spend money and live life. [15:36] schestowitz but when you die, that's it for you [15:36] DaemonFC And like you'll take it all with you when you go. [15:36] CrystalMath immibis: then why does the death penalty exist? [15:36] DaemonFC *themselves [15:37] schestowitz DaemonFC: or accumulate money towards this [15:37] immibis CrystalMath: they redefine the word murder so it excludes the death penalty :) [15:37] schestowitz and then realise the only way to spend that money on something unique is something like a space trip [15:37] DaemonFC They have Mandy singing 80s songs that were adapted for Chik-Fil-A commercials on Youtube. [15:37] DaemonFC Demolition Man has finally happened. [15:37] immibis CrystalMath: even if you want a constitution that says murder is bad, you have to clarify whether it includes abortion, death penalty, stand your ground, etc [15:38] immibis and someone will at some point realize your clarification is wrong, and need to update it to be more accurate to what society wants [15:38] techrights-bot/fn #gnu #linux supported? Of course! https://www.gamasutra.com/view/pressreleases/383775/YoYo_Games_launches_Fire_Jump__a_new_gamemaking_Drag_and_Drop_tutorial_for_GameMaker_Studio_2.php [15:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Gamasutra - Press Releases- YoYo Games launches Fire Jump - a new game-making Drag and Drop tutorial for GameMaker Studio 2 [15:39] immibis and the best known way to do that is some form of democracy [15:39] DaemonFC I would like to take you to Taco Bell...... "Good things grow in the valley. In the valley of the Jolly Green Giant!" [15:39] immibis maybe you can say it takes a 75% majority to update this, but people will oppose it for dumb political reasons, so that's bad too [15:40] DaemonFC They changed the Europe release to Pizza Hut, but I'm sure MinceR found the Taco Bell version floating around. [15:40] DaemonFC Unless Orban banned it. [15:40] immibis "we'll let you put stand-your-ground as an exception, if you also put abortion as an exception" [15:40] techrights-bot/fn #bootlin #linux training: "These courses are delivered entirely online: you dont need any hardware to participate, as the hands-on labs are replaced by live demonstrations made by the trainer. All you need is a web browser, a good Internet connection and an audio headset!" https://bootlin.com/blog/upcoming-online-training-courses-in-2021/ [15:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Upcoming online training courses in 2021 - Bootlin's blog [15:40] MinceR DaemonFC: indeed [15:40] MinceR i saw the version with "pizza hut" and hungarian dub on tv, then downloaded and watched the real thing [15:41] MinceR but even in the version with "pizza hut" has taco bell logos on the restaurant windows, iirc [15:41] DaemonFC That's just sloppy. [15:41] DaemonFC Do they not have Taco Bell in Europe? [15:41] techrights-bot/fn Many projects that needs to #deletegithub because they're entrapped in #microsoft #ProprietarySofwtare trap https://medevel.com/os-kanban-tools/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_Github [15:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-medevel.com | Top 11 open-source Kanban tools for work teams in enterprises [15:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Delete Github - Techrights [15:41] MinceR dunno [15:41] MinceR it shouldn't be an issue to viewers anyway [15:42] DaemonFC Maybe Pizza Hut paid more there. [15:42] *lalbornoz (~lalbornoz@q7ugww2iw5jfk.irc) has joined #techrights [15:43] lalbornoz https://i.imgur.com/zkMEoVo.jpeg [15:43] DaemonFC For a while, Taco Bell was trying to go upscale here, and I joked that Demolition Man had happened. [15:43] *lalbornoz has quit (Quit: LOL) [15:43] DaemonFC But then they got a new CEO that gave up on all of the store redesigns and higher end food items and deleted most of the menu except for those 10 taco packs you eat by yourself because you're wasted. [15:43] MinceR weren't they both owned by yum! brands? [15:44] DaemonFC Yeah, they were. Not sure about 1996 though. [15:44] MinceR and/or pepsico [15:44] DaemonFC In the 90s, Taco Bell tasted much different. Tasted better. [15:44] schestowitz seems like we already get some trolls on this network, drive-by trolls [15:44] DaemonFC Probably either cost cutting or the government regulations ruining things. Never can be certain. [15:45] immibis "taco bell sucks because of government regulations" <- definitely a troll [15:45] DaemonFC Well, they banned trans fats. [15:45] DaemonFC I'm pretty sure Taco Bell doesn't use lard in refried beans anymore. [15:45] techrights-bot/fn #KloudNote 10.3-inch E-reader supports WiFi, Bluetooth and cellular connectivity - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/06/18/kloudnote-10-3-inch-e-reader-supports-wifi-bluetooth-and-cellular-connectivity/ #Linux #GNU #Hardware #cnxsoftware [15:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | KloudNote 10.3-inch E-reader supports WiFi, Bluetooth and cellular connectivity - CNX Software [15:46] DaemonFC Although the death of Wild Sauce was probably their call. [15:46] DaemonFC The FDA has been threatening to come in and tell them how much salt you're allowed to have now. [15:46] MinceR maybe they replaced taco bell in the film simply because yum! brands wanted their money's worth in advertising [15:47] MinceR (or more) [15:47] DaemonFC People can't decide for themselves if they want to press "No salt, light salt, normal salt, extra salt." on the ordering kiosk (or tell an employee) I guess. [15:47] techrights-bot/fn Pushing #clownComputing as a #security 'solution' is truly insane (it's the cause of so many issues and a privacy/data protection catastrophe), but this is what IBM emeritus IWB is doing today https://blog.irvingwb.com/blog/2021/06/leveraging-cloud-computing-to-enhance-the-nations-cybersecurity.html [15:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.irvingwb.com | Irving Wladawsky-Berger: Leveraging Cloud Computing to Enhance the Nations Cybersecurity [15:47] XRevan86 schestowitz: I didn't say "emails". [15:48] XFaCE > Pushing #clownComputing [15:48] techrights-bot/fn "The week has zipped by --it's Friday already-- and it's time to take a look at what the Apache community has been up to over the past week..." https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the-apache-news-round-up231 [15:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.apache.org | The Apache News Round-up: week ending 18 June 2021 : The Apache Software Foundation Blog [15:48] XFaCE Gotta have that marketing quickfix solution [15:48] immibis DaemonFC: banned industrially produced trans fats according to google. those are unnatural anyway [15:48] schestowitz soon we'll have elephant computing [15:48] schestowitz like hortonworks [15:48] schestowitz and other "big data" stuff [15:48] XFaCE what made you think of elephant specifically? [15:49] schestowitz circus [15:49] XFaCE ah [15:49] schestowitz it's an "IT" circus [15:49] MinceR "anything not good for you is bad; hence, illegal" [15:50] MinceR immibis: "The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural." [15:50] DaemonFC It seemed like there were still cigarettes floating around on the black market. [15:50] schestowitz MinceR: then people deduce that illegal things are also bad [15:50] immibis MinceR: sounds like trans fats are the dark side in your analogy [15:50] schestowitz even when they're just bad for those who pass the laws [15:50] MinceR :> [15:51] schestowitz "it is ILLEGAL to peak evidence" [15:51] schestowitz or crimes [15:51] schestowitz *leak [15:56] techrights-bot/fn #Podman is gaining rootless overlay support | Enable Sysadmin https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/podman-rootless-overlay #RedHat #IBM #GNU #Linux [15:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Podman is gaining rootless overlay support | Enable Sysadmin [15:57] activelow which distro do the techright people prefer? [15:58] MinceR probably depends on which person [15:58] MinceR i prefer Bedrock Linux [15:58] MinceR (and Void Linux among the strata for it) [15:59] XRevan86 activelow: Ariadne prefers Alpine (who knew), schestowitz right now prefers Debian [15:59] XRevan86 activelow: I prefer openSUSE and Debian. [15:59] techrights-bot/fn #ibm now giving VIRTUAL badges for just 'attending' VIRTUAL 'events' https://badges.fedoraproject.org/badge/akademy-2021 [15:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-badges.fedoraproject.org | Fedora Badges ● Jun 18 [16:00] activelow i prefer *BSD style [16:00] MinceR yeah, i'm in the process of moving to OpenBSD [16:00] activelow gentoo and alpine too resemble bsd [16:01] activelow gentoo it is, with some ingredients added from *BSD [16:01] XFaCE <@MinceR> yeah, i'm in the process of moving to OpenBSD [16:01] psymin <3 gentoo [16:01] XFaCE doas mincer [16:01] *lalbornoz (~lalbornoz@q7ugww2iw5jfk.irc) has joined #techrights [16:01] lalbornoz https://i.imgur.com/zkMEoVo.jpeg [16:01] XFaCE (ba dum tsh) [16:01] DaemonFC The FDA "user fees" were set up to reduce the federal deficit, or so they said. But now they're just a rubber stamp of approval for bad drugs and placebos that cost taxpayers many times more because Medicare and Medicaid have to buy anything that's FDA approved. [16:01] techrights-bot/fn Learn how locks really work in Sophie's Safecracking Simulator now on Steam | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/learn-how-locks-really-work-in-sophies-safecracking-simulator-now-on-steam #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/18/#latest [16:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Learn how locks really work in Sophie's Safecracking Simulator now on Steam | GamingOnLinux [16:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [16:01] *lalbornoz has quit (Quit: LOL) [16:02] DaemonFC They said they were banning the trans fats because of heart attacks. [16:02] DaemonFC I'm wondering what the real reason was. They let "food" contain just about anything else, from unlimited salt, to preservatives, and empty calories in general. [16:03] DaemonFC The sodium is a much bigger problem than trans fats ever were. [16:03] DaemonFC The average American eats 4-5 times as much sodium as the RDA and that causes most to walk around with high blood pressure all the time. [16:03] techrights-bot/fn Early coverage about Linux Mint 20.2 Beta http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152421#comment-29983 [16:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Beta Release for Linux Mint 20.2 Uma (Xfce, MATE, and Cinnamon) | Tux Machines [16:04] activelow i am having difficulties with some distros when these do not fully support source based [16:05] DaemonFC Facebook reviewed my report of a black woman posting a picture of a black woman drinking from a mug that says "White Tears" for racism and said they didn't find anything wrong with it. [16:05] DaemonFC I wonder how fast they'd pull it down if it was a white person drinking from a mug that said "Black Tears". [16:05] activelow ok, i'll wait with my question [16:06] techrights-bot/fn "In this video, I'll give you a full review of the #RasPad 3 - a fun kit that turns your #RaspberryPi 4 into a tablet! Complete with a touch-screen, stereo speakers, and even its own Linux distribution - it's quite an interesting device." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAC6azFAmwg [16:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The RasPad 3 - Turn your Raspberry Pi into a Tablet! (Full Review) - YouTube [16:07] techrights-bot/fn #Kernel : Intel, Bootlin, Christoph Hellwigs Work, and Adreno http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152427#Linux #TuxMachines [16:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel: Intel, Bootlin, Christoph Hellwig's Work, and Adreno | Tux Machines [16:07] techrights-bot/fn Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152428 [16:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [16:07] activelow anyway made me wonder from the beginning how debian or rpm type distros were considered open source and/or how a user could manage to fully bootstrap a system from source with those [16:08] activelow such as ubuntu for example [16:08] techrights-bot/fn #IBM / #RedHat / #Fedora Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152429 #GNU #Linux [16:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers | Tux Machines [16:08] MinceR they probably ship almost everything with an open source license [16:08] MinceR and they all have some sort of build infrastructure to turn source code + some packaging information into binary packages [16:08] activelow with gentoo the system can be bootstrapped beginning with creating an own cross-compiler even [16:09] MinceR some of them also have tools to build a package on your system [16:09] activelow MinceR: yes, but the buildinfrastructure isn't open or insufficient [16:09] MinceR dunno about that, you might want to ask them about it [16:09] techrights-bot/fn Ubuntu 20.10 Reaches End of Life on July 22, Heres How to Upgrade http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152409#comment-29984 [16:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 20.10 (Groovy Gorilla) Will Reach End Of Life on July 22nd, 2021 | Tux Machines [16:11] techrights-bot/fn Guilty Gear: Strive - Fighting at Its Finest - Boiling Steam https://boilingsteam.com/guilty-gear-strive-fighting-at-its-finest/ #boilingsteam #games #gnu #linux [16:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boilingsteam.com | Guilty Gear: Strive - Fighting at It's Finest - Boiling Steam [16:11] immibis DaemonFC: could it possibly be because metaphorical white tears are qualitatively different from metaphorical black tears? [16:12] immibis from what i've seen, white tears seem to mostly consist of people complaining about being called racist. and most of the complainers were, in fact, racist [16:12] MinceR immibis: not sure how the difference in their chemical composition would make the second example less racist [16:13] DaemonFC Pointing out crime statistics is apparently racist.... [16:13] DaemonFC You don't see any bronze statues of white people who never accomplished anything other than a string of felonies and then taunted the police. Just saying. [16:14] immibis MinceR: "white tears" = racists complaining about being called racist; "black tears" = people upset about being the victims of racism [16:14] immibis mocking racists for complaining about being called racist, does not compare to mocking people for being denied for jobs because of their race, for example [16:14] DaemonFC They whitewash the criminal record, which speaks for itself. [16:14] DaemonFC Drug dealing and armed robbery, mostly. [16:15] MinceR immibis: i don't see where this implications come from [16:15] MinceR s/is/ese/ [16:15] DaemonFC Like I said, if people kept their hands to themselves and didn't try to take things that don't belong to them, we wouldn't need courts much. [16:15] immibis MinceR: think about the nature of metaphorical white tears and the nature of metaphorical black tears, they are not the same tears, they are drastically different [16:16] immibis DaemonFC: anything not forbidden is allowed [16:16] MinceR that sounds a lot like SJW "reverse racism" bullshit [16:16] schestowitz not really [16:16] schestowitz it's the reply to them [16:16] immibis MinceR: reverse racism is actually something anti-SJWs invented [16:17] schestowitz when you claim that they're being reverse racists [16:17] MinceR they call it that [16:17] MinceR there's nothing reverse about it [16:17] MinceR hence the quotes [16:17] schestowitz for example, oversight, looking the other way if a minority says "FUCK all those OLD WHITE MAN! [16:17] DaemonFC https://www.sctimes.com/story/news/2020/06/03/what-we-know-fake-currency-and-george-floyds-death-minneapolis-counterfeit-police/5310999002/ [16:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sctimes.com | What we know about fake currency and George Floyd's death [16:17] immibis MinceR: can we agree that "white tears" are mostly white people complaining about being called racist? [16:17] schestowitz but anyway, it's off topic [16:17] immibis ("tears" = complaints) [16:17] Ariadne i mean, yes, other people besides white people can be racist [16:17] DaemonFC "To Hill, the church member and resident, using fake bills is not right. But he understands why people with low incomes would use a counterfeit, especially during the COVID-19 outbreak when many have lost jobs and income. " [16:17] MinceR immibis: no [16:18] schestowitz I think it's DaemonFC's fault [16:18] DaemonFC For cigaretted, you know. Essentials. [16:18] DaemonFC *cigarettes [16:18] MinceR immibis: afaik tears are produced by humans of all races for the same reasons [16:18] immibis MinceR: you do not understand metaphor [16:18] schestowitz MinceR: not just humans [16:18] DaemonFC You know, US Dollars did used to say "To counterfeit means death.". [16:18] DaemonFC How ironic. [16:19] schestowitz DaemonFC: people who stole a country [16:19] schestowitz and killed its inhibitants [16:19] schestowitz I can see the logic in that [16:19] activelow often it isn't racism, instead eugenicist and chauvinist [16:19] DaemonFC The same penalty applied under British law at the time.... [16:19] schestowitz bottom line, people are good at not getting alone with other people [16:19] DaemonFC So there's that. [16:20] techrights-bot/fn #Security Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152430 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines [16:20] immibis people can try to get along with other people, or they can continue insisting that black people are the real racists [16:21] activelow the difference between "racism" and the latter or crucial to understanding of the problem [16:21] immibis they can listen to what the black people are saying, or they can not [16:21] DaemonFC Counterfeiting was a serious problem back then. The more serious problem has usually been the government expanding the money supply to finance egregious spending levels. [16:21] MinceR "Good thing I have kevlar. ...Wait, do I have kevlar?" [16:21] DaemonFC That has the same effect as counterfeiting does in the economy. [16:21] MinceR immibis: you mean it's impossible for more than one group of people to be racist? or it's impossible for them to be _real_ racist, whatever that means? [16:21] DaemonFC Maybe they will start killing politicians for it. You hope. [16:22] activelow since chauvism (although defined differently on wikipedia to frame it into the ideology anglo-american "academia") isn't exclusive [16:22] activelow it simply translates any sense of superiority [16:22] activelow it simply translates to any sense of superiority [16:22] immibis MinceR: there are people who think black people are victims of racism, and there are people who think black poeple are the racists, and as far as I'm aware, there is no overlap [16:22] DaemonFC The government never wants to cover its spending with taxes, because it would expose the fact that very high taxes would be required and it would still have to stop spending increases at some point. [16:22] techrights-bot/fn Debian GNU / Linux: Cinnamon Desktop Future (For Now) Preserved http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152332#comment-29985 [16:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE: Akademy, Bug Triaging, Packaging Work by Norbert Preining, and Krita on Simplifying Grammar Checks for Manual | Tux Machines [16:23] DaemonFC Instead, we have a blended system of taxes and inflation. [16:23] activelow a term i introduced is "moral chauvinism", of those he take high moral ground, similar to "bermensch", regardless of some shallow attributes [16:23] immibis DaemonFC: that is another thing the left and the right can agree upon [16:23] activelow with their sense of "moral superiority" anything is justified [16:23] MinceR immibis: so by virtue of some people being racists, they've monopolized racism and now it's impossible for people of other races to be racist? [16:23] immibis although, instead of thinking of the government borrowing as something the government does, you should think of investors lending as a kind of voluntary-tax-with-strings [16:23] MinceR that's an awfully convenient delusion [16:23] immibis MinceR: ???? [16:23] techrights-bot/fn "We take a look at a #selfhosted TeamViewer alternative, give you our take on some Home Assistant drama and discuss the effects of a new crypto coin on hard drive prices." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/145352/whose-license-is-it-anyway-self-hosted-47/ [16:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jupiterbroadcasting.com | Whose License Is It Anyway? | Self-Hosted 47 | Jupiter Broadcasting [16:24] DaemonFC I bought some government bonds in Mandy's name. [16:24] MinceR immibis: you're claiming black people can't be racist and anyone who disagrees is racist [16:24] immibis DaemonFC: don't bother, keep your money in a savings account or term deposit [16:24] activelow chauvinist [16:24] DaemonFC They're technically 30 year bonds, but you can cash them out as soon as 12 months if you need to. 5 years with no penalty. [16:24] immibis the bank will buy bonds but they'll also use your money for things like mortgages [16:24] immibis which have higher return and are still considered safe [16:25] DaemonFC They don't pay good interest. [16:25] immibis MinceR: no, I did not say black people couldn't be racist. [16:25] MinceR i'm guessing immibis believes this to also be non-racist: "Lightfoot, who assumed office in May 2019, announced last Tuesday that she would only grant one-on-one interviews to 'black and brown' reporters to mark her two-year anniversary in office." [16:25] DaemonFC You can get 3.54 right now on I-Bonds. Most 5 year CDs don't even pay 1.5. [16:25] MinceR immibis: ah, so you're only equivocating around the issue in an effort to paint faecesbook in a positive light [16:25] psymin I'm gonna get 0.07 on Bonds, James Bonds. [16:26] MinceR DaemonFC: i think you should post that other picture and see what dumbFuckBook does about it :> [16:26] immibis MinceR: I'm speaking in general terms. When I say "black tears" that does not refer to each and every single instance of black tears, it refers to the average, the predominant kind. Just like if you said "water is colourless" you wouldn't be referring to polluted water or ice. [16:26] immibis some white tears are valid and some black tears are not [16:27] techrights-bot/fn 7 Free And Open Source Download Managers For Windows And Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152431 [16:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 7 Free And Open Source Download Managers For Windows And Linux | Tux Machines [16:27] psymin Any reference to biological identity group followed by "tears" is likely some type of negative bias, aka "racism" [16:27] immibis the kind of argument that leads to people having "white tears" or "black tears" mugs is not nuanced, it is only about large-scale trends. [16:27] activelow "morally superior tears" [16:27] immibis is it racism to say that white tears are mostly just people salty about being called out for being racist? [16:27] psymin immibis, yes [16:27] MinceR immibis: maybe you should clarify that every time you refer to tears of any color [16:28] MinceR immibis: i'm not quite sure how that will affect pictures made and posted by others, though [16:28] immibis psymin: even though it's clear that "white tears" does not include, for example, the tears of the person whose child got hit by a car? [16:28] psymin Any reference to biological identity group followed by "tears" is likely some type of negative bias, aka "racism" [16:28] immibis it is a very simplified war. white people against black people and vice versa. In this race war, each side does specific stuff... [16:29] MinceR claiming that white people are 'salty' because they're called racist is racist because it implies that all white people are racist [16:29] techrights-bot/fn #GNU #Guix : Substitutes now also available from bordeaux.guix.gnu.org https://guix.gnu.org/blog/2021/substitutes-now-also-available-from-bordeauxguixgnuorg/ [16:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Substitutes now also available from bordeaux.guix.gnu.org 2021 Blog GNUGuix [16:30] immibis MinceR: what if I specify it further: that the complaints *regarding the race war* which come from white people are *primarily* from racists who are salty about being called out? [16:30] MinceR immibis: how do you find such specifics in the aforementioned pictures? [16:30] psymin immibis, Do you have a goal of coming to a mutual understanding about what is true? [16:31] immibis MinceR: because I know the societal context of these kinds of mugs? [16:31] MinceR no, you're just making up shit to try to make being racist against white people acceptable [16:31] psymin There is an objective reality that most of us should be able to agree exists. [16:32] immibis do you believe the person who posted the picture was referring to all tears from all white people all the time? [16:32] psymin If that is our goal, to determine what is true anyway. [16:32] activelow recently Euro soccer broadcasted was framed into the racism narrative too [16:32] MinceR immibis: i doubt that would have fit in any mug [16:33] activelow yesterday even privileged soccer players were interviewed for their feelings, with millions of cash on their accounts suffering from racism [16:33] activelow *evening [16:33] activelow in the commercials ordinary german people are replaced with people of color [16:34] immibis activelow: you mean it's impossible for people with money and fame to also have problems in their lives? [16:34] psymin Is there an objective way to determine what is and what is not the result of racism? [16:34] psymin (or any sort of alleged bias / bigotry) [16:34] activelow immibis: i wouldn't feel less offended by being called a monkey in a soccer stadium and a banana thrown after me than having a look onto my balance sheets [16:34] immibis what do you mean by an objective *way*? of course we can agree that racism objectively *exists*, but it's not like racists wear big "i'm being racist" signs that light up whenever they are being racist, so identifying exactly what is racism can be difficult [16:35] immibis activelow: can you rephrase that sentence? [16:35] activelow immibis: i would feel less offended by being called a monkey in a soccer stadium and a banana thrown after me than having a look onto my balance sheets [16:35] immibis that's the opposite sentence [16:36] activelow yes, typo [16:36] psymin immibis, I'm not making a claim that it doesn't exist. I'm making a query about how to determine whether it presented itself in situations at all. How can we measure it in an objective manner? [16:37] immibis psymin: i think alas we cannot because no racism-ometer has ever been invented [16:37] psymin if we cannot measure it objectively, then I think it is very dangerous to litigate [16:37] *schestowitz will be back when the channel is on topic [16:37] psymin apologies [16:37] techrights-bot/fn Hows my snap faring on different distributions? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152432 [16:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Hows my snap faring on different distributions? | Tux Machines [16:38] techrights-bot/fn #Games : YoYo Games, Sophies Safecracking, and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152433 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: YoYo Games, Sophie's Safecracking, and More | Tux Machines [16:38] techrights-bot/fn Top 11 #freesw #Kanban tools for work teams in enterprises http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152434 [16:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Top 11 open-source Kanban tools for work teams in enterprises | Tux Machines [16:39] immibis psymin: we can't even measure things like murder objectively [16:39] immibis we still somehow manage it [16:39] psymin immibis, is there another channel for us to have this type of discussion? [16:40] MinceR there's #boycottnovell-social [16:40] DaemonFC I just hope I win the COVID vaccine lottery so I can use the $100,000 to high tail it out of this fucking place. [16:40] DaemonFC I'm sure I can buy a place to live in Arkansas or something. [16:41] techrights-bot/fn #KDEneon now on Linux 5.8 https://blog.neon.kde.org/2021/06/18/kde-neon-now-on-linux-5-8/ #kernel #linux #gnu [16:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.neon.kde.org | KDE neon now on Linux 5.8 KDE neon Developers' Blog [16:41] DaemonFC That reminds me.... schestowitz Did you see where the CEO of Bank of America threatened workers who don't come back to New York City with being fired or huge salary cuts if they aren't back at the office by September? [16:42] DaemonFC You have to threaten people to get them to move back to New York. [16:42] techrights-bot/fn Mariam Fahmy: "Currently GCompris offers more than 100 activities, and more are being developed. #GCompris is #freesw , it means that you can adapt it to your own needs, improve it, and most importantly share it with children everywhere." https://mariamfahmy98.wordpress.com/2021/06/15/gsoc21-week-1-the-beginning/ [16:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mariamfahmy98.wordpress.com | GSoC21 Week 1: The Beginning Mariam Fahmy [16:42] DaemonFC If all they'll do is cut your salary, why would you come back to New York? It's not like the higher salary even buys you anything in New York because the liberals just send the cost of living through the fucking roof anyway. [16:42] DaemonFC So all it does is increase your federal tax bracket with the COLA. [16:43] immibis "liberals are the reason everything sucks" [16:43] techrights-bot/fn Many people still don't understand that Gulag Summer of work is being used by #google for #censorship of mailing lists and self-censorship. #gsoc [16:43] MinceR humans are the reason everything sucks [16:43] immibis if you're a nihilist, yes, otherwise you think humans have the power to make things not suck [16:43] DaemonFC I'd much rather live in Denver than New York City, even if it meant taking a 20% drop in salary. [16:43] MinceR nihilism has nothing to do with it [16:44] MinceR the term you're looking for is "misanthrope" [16:44] DaemonFC Because Democrats have made New York so expensive the 20% isn't worth it. [16:44] DaemonFC The entire population of New York that can get out is leaving, which means Democrats will just do what they always do. [16:44] immibis DaemonFC: if everything bad is the other side's fault, you should think about whether that's actually true or whether you've fallen victim to brainwashing propaganda [16:44] DaemonFC Raise taxes to soak whoever stays, which causes more to leave, etc. [16:45] immibis if everyone is leaving then how can it still be expensive? Leaving people causes rent to plummet [16:45] DaemonFC Wrong. [16:45] techrights-bot/fn #GravityMark OpenGL/Vulkan Performance For NVIDIA RTX 30 vs. AMD Radeon RX 6000 Series http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152435 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GravityMark OpenGL/Vulkan Performance For NVIDIA RTX 30 vs. AMD Radeon RX 6000 Series | Tux Machines [16:45] DaemonFC Waukegan has lost over 11% of its population and the rent is still going up, overall. [16:45] immibis hmm so free markets don't work? [16:46] DaemonFC Well, it's not all about supply and demand, obviously. [16:46] schestowitz DaemonFC: it's off topic for here [16:46] schestowitz BoA [16:46] DaemonFC It would be worse if there were still a bunch of people here bidding things up, but the tax increases alone can keep costs going up even with less demand. [16:46] DaemonFC The landlords aren't going to run their business at a loss. [16:47] immibis DaemonFC: you were just instructed to stop talking [16:47] *schestowitz has changed the topic to: philosophy and racism [16:48] Ariadne er, wut [16:48] MinceR lol [16:48] DaemonFC They like to conflate things so that the cost isn't taken on by the people who use them. They even added a surcharge for an expressway to the water bills so they wouldn't have to increase tolling. [16:49] immibis now that's on-topic... DaemonFC: they would run it at a loss if the alternative was running it at a bigger loss. Or they could sell. At a loss. Either way the price goes down. So why doesn't that happen? [16:50] psymin lol [16:50] DaemonFC Well, the operating expenses are a cost that's not actually negotiable. The anti-slumlord laws alone would kick in if they started skimping on upkeep too much. [16:50] activelow chimpanzees are known to outsmart humans with specific skills, nonetheless the supposedly "scientific" basis of such discussions is framed into a social context where specific criteria supposedly indicated inferiority [16:50] activelow this isn't racism, this is chauvism [16:51] techrights-bot/fn Does #ibm think that giving more fictional badges (like those training 'courses' it forces staff to take) will improve morale and save things? Like #freenode we've seen IBM engage in self-harm, e.g. killing off #centos https://badges.fedoraproject.org/badge/akademy-2021 [16:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-badges.fedoraproject.org | Fedora Badges [16:51] immibis DaemonFC: sounds like they can either pay those costs (and operate at a loss), or sell, like I just said [16:51] *schestowitz has changed the topic to: Techrights.org IRC discussions @ localhost | Channel #techrights for http://techrights.org [logged online] :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell for related discussions. For scrollback see http://techrights.org/irc-channel/ [16:52] DaemonFC Selling assumes you have a buyer. The Democrats have chased so many people out of Illinois that there's several times as many homes on the market as usual in many areas. Tech should make it easier to leave. [16:52] DaemonFC The bank CEO threatening people who don't actually have to be in an office is just kind of funny, really, in how pathetic it is. [16:52] DaemonFC That this is the only reason you'd live in NYC and tolerate the crime and taxes. You'd lose a job that doesn't actually require you to be in an office. [16:53] techrights-bot/fn "In same cases bare deparsed #JSON is returned. That led to a fair amount of clutter that followed a pattern. After making a remote call via the API, I mix in a role and query the API further, before passing a list on via a Supply. I do the same operation with different operants. Thats sounds like a candidate for a multi sub." https://gfldex.wordpress.com/2021/06/18/despotting/ [16:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gfldex.wordpress.com | Despotting | Playing Perl 6b6xA Raku [16:53] techrights-bot/fn "In this video, I am going to show an overview of #Manjaro #Cutefish 21.06 and some of the applications pre-installed." #gnu #linux https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no9G6jmqsLk [16:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux overview | Manjaro Cutefish 21.06 - YouTube [16:53] DaemonFC That's been how California is getting along for quite a while now. [16:54] DaemonFC Without cajoling the CEOs into threatening people who don't have to be there into coming back, they're toast. [16:56] techrights-bot/fn Homemade mechanical color TV runs on an Arduino Due | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/06/18/homemade-mechanical-color-tv-runs-on-an-arduino-due/ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking [16:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | Homemade mechanical color TV runs on an Arduino Due | Arduino Blog [16:57] techrights-bot/fn #Bankdata shares its results of using #Quarkus on Red Hat OpenShift Container Platform https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/bankdata-finds-success-quarkus-red-hat-openshift #RedHat #IBM #Java [16:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Bankdata shares its results of using Quarkus on Red Hat OpenShift Container Platform [16:58] activelow with the typical discussions what's implied isn't racism, it is "moral superiority" by those pushing the narrative for ideological reasons [16:58] techrights-bot/fn #Fotoxx Photo Editor & Large Collection Manager while Super Fast http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152436 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fotoxx Photo Editor & Large Collection Manager while Super Fast | Tux Machines [16:58] activelow "black tears" are morally superior in this context, not black as such [16:59] activelow supposedly [16:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 33.90 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 22.45 swarm size (avg): 276.15 [16:59] schestowitz colours miss the point [16:59] schestowitz it's like comparing distros based on wallpapers [16:59] schestowitz or default gtk theme ● Jun 18 [17:00] DaemonFC I'm amused by the fact that these banks who are publicly stating that they won't make investments in coal or oil companies are forcing people to commute and waste gas and spew CO2 everywhere so they can sit at a desk all day. [17:01] schestowitz the issue in the US/Canada and Europe is class [17:02] schestowitz you can be "white" and in the "underclass" [17:02] schestowitz the colour is a disraction [17:02] schestowitz sport, media use that [17:02] schestowitz you could also be African and albino [17:02] schestowitz though it makes eyesight really bad and sunlight dangerous [17:02] schestowitz let's focus on freedom [17:02] schestowitz not whose skin has more melanin [17:03] DaemonFC We saw the result of "work from home". Demand for oil dropped to the point where gas was like $1.50. [17:03] activelow cultural differences and ethnicity aren't void by excluding melanin enrichment [17:03] DaemonFC It was just ridiculous the amount of propaganda that was coming out in the media though. Stories of people making "fake commutes" to "feel normal". [17:03] MinceR 18 175855 < activelow> "black tears" are morally superior in this context, not black as such [17:03] *MinceR rushes to order a bottle of black tears [17:04] MinceR got to have the best stuff [17:04] DaemonFC "Oh here, I'll get in my car and rack up miles on it to feel normal again!" [17:04] immibis the association between colour and class is that past actions have tried to push people with a certain colour into a certain class, while leaving other colours alone [17:04] DaemonFC "I can drive in circles for two hours!" [17:05] immibis DaemonFC: there is always a buyer for a rented home. At a minimum, you can sell it to the tenants for $1 [17:05] MinceR hold your colours against the wall [17:05] activelow another problem with this disucssion is the following, it is an anglo-american doctrine to frame it into melanin, which wouldn't at least recognize the several different languages spoken elsewhere [17:05] gustaf one of the critiques of the "modern Left" is that it's substituted identity for class [17:05] gustaf but I really don't agree with that [17:05] activelow the "multi-cultural" "idealism" of anglo-american academic "intelligence" couldn't at least comprehend anymore dozens of different languages are spoken in Europe [17:06] immibis most "leftists" would happily start talking about class instead of race if you did [17:06] schestowitz gustaf: you are from sweden, right? [17:06] schestowitz I want to show you something about the "modern" left [17:07] DaemonFC https://abc7chicago.com/10805726/ [17:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-abc7chicago.com | Rockton, IL evacuation order lifted; foam containing 'forever chemical' used against Chemtool fire - ABC7 Chicago [17:07] DaemonFC Thank goodness for the government. [17:07] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/05/15/sweden-radical-student-brotherhood/ [17:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPOs War on Justice and Assault on the Law Part 8: The Radical Student Brotherhood | Techrights [17:07] DaemonFC "You know what would be great with this disaster? Another disaster." [17:07] schestowitz also http://techrights.org/2021/05/15/josefsson-strange-metamorphosis/ and http://techrights.org/2021/05/16/epo-vs-democracy/ [17:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPOs War on Justice and Assault on the Law Part 7: Calles Strange Metamorphosis | Techrights [17:07] gustaf schestowitz: correcy [17:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPOs War on Justice and Assault on the Law Part 9: Squeezing Out the Lifeblood of Democracy? | Techrights [17:09] techrights-bot/fn #mozilla and #firefox blogs have become so bloody weird. https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/gary-linden-big-wave-surfer/ sometimes they even cover tech. Sometimes. [17:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Gary Linden, legendary surfer & Firefox fan [17:11] techrights-bot/fn 14 Awesome #Arduino Clown Features You Never Knew Existed https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/06/18/14-awesome-arduino-cloud-features-you-never-knew-existed/ [17:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | 14 Awesome Arduino Cloud Features You Never Knew Existed [17:14] activelow some month ago i chose to watch women's soccer, for the only reason i was interested to see their match [17:14] activelow after 5 minutes i turned off TV when the lecture began about "oppressive hierarchies" and unjustice [17:15] activelow the current male soccer national team of germany integrated several "dark eagles", i'll probably turn off for the same reason [17:17] immibis activelow: was it objectively uninteresting, or was it just an inconvenient truth to you? [17:17] activelow immibis: i wanted to watch a soccer match [17:18] immibis inaction and wilful ignorance can be just as bad as explicit action [17:18] activelow sure, i turned off [17:21] XRevan86 oh my, today is full of surprises [17:22] XRevan86 26700 what a pretty number [17:23] XRevan86 I mislooked, no real surprise, the coefficient is still ~1.5 [17:23] immibis maybe watching a soccer match is wilful ignorance. someone brought up the nazis earlier. What might've happened, if half the german population had protested in front of parliament, instead of watching soccer until it was too bad to ignroe [17:27] activelow protests? when? in 1920s/30s germans did protest with millions on the street. Unemployment. [17:27] activelow which is remarkable too what anglo-americans protest for nowadays when they are on the streets [17:28] DaemonFC I would never buy a home in Illinois. The banks, which carefully monitor these things because they're not in business to lose money, say the state's fiscal outlook is pretty much hopeless. [17:28] immibis activelow: are you suggesting people should not protest about things which are less serious than what they protested about in germany after the war? [17:29] MinceR at least they're not hungarians, whose main concern is taxing Internet access [17:29] immibis DaemonFC: didn't you want to live with less of a state? which is what you will get if the state government goes bankrupt? [17:30] DaemonFC Well, maybe they'll figure out a way to tax the people who are actually celebrating Juneteenth. [17:30] DaemonFC For now, all they managed to do is get them to be a smaller net loss by figuring out ways to not hold them pending all of their trials. [17:31] techrights-bot/fn Links 18/6/2021: Mir 2.4, ActivityWatch 0.11, Microsoft Breaks Its Own Repos http://techrights.org/2021/06/18/mir-2-4/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/18/mir-2-4/ [17:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 18/6/2021: Mir 2.4, ActivityWatch 0.11, Microsoft Breaks Its Own Repos | Techrights [17:31] activelow immibis: first I strongly object to german history being framed into anglo-american pseudo-science. and given the high unemployment in USA today it is remarkable what they are protesting for there. 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[17:35] techrights-bot/fn Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152442 [17:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [17:35] techrights-bot/fn Audiocasts/Shows: Manjaro Cutefish, Self-Hosted, RasPad 3 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152443 [17:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts/Shows: Manjaro Cutefish, Self-Hosted, RasPad 3 | Tux Machines [17:37] DaemonFC_phone Maybe they'll celebrate by helping themselves to some more property that isn't theirs. Who knows? [17:38] schestowitz sort of like colonists [17:38] schestowitz or aryans? [17:38] schestowitz DaemonFC_phone: try to keep on topic [17:38] DaemonFC_phone Well, your country certainly did a lot of that. [17:38] DaemonFC_phone How'd that work out? [17:39] DaemonFC_phone More ambitious than the Nazis at various points. [17:40] DaemonFC_phone The Canadians apparently have an entire high school sitting on top of dead indigenous people that they slaughtered. Was in the news the other day. [17:43] DaemonFC_phone There's an endless history of people wanting things and then taking them by force. It's considered savagery at this point, at least for white people when we're talking about something that happened 200 years ago. [17:43] immibis and yet you claim that if only we'd all just sign this pact, it wouldn't happen any more [17:44] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:44] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:44] DaemonFC_phone Unenforced laws are as good as no law. Why do they loot? If anyone goes on trial it'll be the police that tried to deal with it. [17:46] DaemonFC_phone Chicago was dangerous in the 80s because the cops couldn't keep up with the crime. It's dangerous now because there are few cops and mjg59's worldview has prevented them from even trying anyway. [17:47] DaemonFC_phone Best thing to do is just stay out. It's a tourist trap for some reason even though something bad usually happens even if you just go sightseeing for a day. [17:48] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [17:48] immibis maybe the right solution is to solve the causes of crime instead of throwing more resources at trying to prosecute it all [17:49] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [17:49] MinceR we're doing that, with global warming [17:49] immibis why are humans so stupid? [17:49] MinceR \_()_/ [17:50] psymin I'm so stupid because of emotions [17:50] immibis what do they put in New Zealand's water to help them come together to fight COVID? do the sheep hormones rub off and make everyone sheeple? is it the fluoride? [17:50] MinceR do they fluoridate the water over there? [17:50] immibis of course [17:50] MinceR poor people [17:50] MinceR they do that in the usa too, afaik [17:51] immibis hmm. are you sure you're not one of the humans who is so stupid? [17:51] MinceR i'm probably stupid in a different way [17:51] MinceR who cares, i, too, will be dead [17:51] immibis "fluoride bad" seems to be a mainstream kind of stupid imo [17:51] MinceR i mean fluoride isn't "bad", but it seems much smarter to put it in toothpaste [17:52] MinceR that way you apply it where it is needed and don't swallow much of it [17:52] immibis maybe the idea is to help people who don't brush their teeth enough [17:52] DaemonFC_phone Maybe they should brush more. [17:52] MinceR "can anyone help you?" [17:53] MinceR they could try electric toothbrushes [17:54] immibis for the sake of argument let's assume that fluoride does turn humans into sheeple... well, being sheeple helped them beat covid. is it necessarily a bad thing? [17:54] MinceR i don't think NZ-ers did well against the plague because they were "sheeple" [17:56] immibis they absolutely did, that's the only way they were able to stop local outbreaks [17:56] immibis one of the harshest lockdowns [17:56] psymin being on an island is a pretty harsh and effective lockdown [17:56] MinceR is it possible to have an effective lockdown among people who can think for themselves? [17:57] psymin Prisoners are on effective lockdown and often have a diverse set of thoughts. ● Jun 18 [18:01] immibis MinceR: if they can think for themselves they should mostly come to the same conclusion, that it's best to stop covid immediately and then live like normal again [18:01] MinceR immibis: right [18:02] immibis if they can't think for themselves, they should just keep living like normal until 1% of them get sick and die [18:08] activelow if the research result of curevac germany is confirmed this will have severe legal implications [18:09] activelow such as vaccines which didn't meet criteria for approval had been lobbied for and advertised [18:14] *lalbornoz (~lalbornoz@ugqs44qnpnu4u.irc) has joined #techrights [18:14] lalbornoz YOUR SHIT CHATS MAKE ME SO MAD I PUNCH HOLES IN MY WALL!!! THATS Y I MOVED 2 IRC.LIBERA.CHAT #MIDIPIX https://i.imgur.com/zkMEoVo.jpeg [18:14] *lalbornoz has quit (Killed (MinceR (die))) [18:15] *schestowitz sets ban on lalbornoz!*@* [18:16] schestowitz three times today, same username [18:16] MinceR right, might as well try k-lining the nick [18:16] XRevan86 What is even that picture? [18:16] MinceR \_()_/ [18:16] schestowitz done [18:17] schestowitz XRevan86: doesn't even matter [18:17] schestowitz that got spammer in all our channels [18:17] schestowitz *spammed [18:17] schestowitz it's even worse than the chats about race [18:18] schestowitz those types of spammers were rare in freenode (they would weed them out mostly, until years ago when they defamed staff), but in dalnet days it was common... 1990s [18:18] schestowitz I guess being noticed like that is a 'compliment', if not a nuisance [18:18] schestowitz I noticed that almost 100% of the chat here is from this network, rarely from FN [18:18] immibis activelow: doesn't that just mean their particular vaccine didn't work terribly well? covid cases are dropping like a stone despite most things being open, so the evidence is right there [18:18] schestowitz which still has 54 users online for this channel [18:19] immibis that the covid vaccines in general do work [18:19] schestowitz https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ [18:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ ) [18:20] schestowitz 10.5k new cases, 11k+ yesterday, so this particular one (AZ) might not be all that effective, or maybe they will blame "mutant' or "variant" or reckless people [18:21] DaemonFC_phone Few wear masks in Waukegan now. No spike. [18:22] DaemonFC_phone Of course, it's pretty ghetto here and Waukegan got bad early on, way ahead of the vaccine. [18:22] DaemonFC_phone Herd immunity at this point. [18:28] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:29] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:31] immibis https://www.berlin.de/corona/lagebericht/ (tab "zeitlicher verlauf") - maybe that will start going up again like the UK, although people here are getting a mix of vaccines [18:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Corona-Lagebericht - Berlin.de [18:34] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [18:34] *DaemonFC_phone has quit (connection closed) [18:35] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [18:36] activelow immibis: a vaccine developed by leading german researcher was confirmed not meeting the criteria for approval [18:36] *DaemonFC_phone (~daemonfc@dig29ed6whms4.irc) has joined #techrights [18:37] activelow which raises the question how competitors could have arrived at an approval with their "research", and why media apparatus aggitated for injecting this [18:39] activelow https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-germanys-curevac-vaccine-only-47-effective/a-57929473 [18:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Coronavirus: Germanys CureVac vaccine only 47% effective | News | DW | 16.06.2021 [18:39] activelow https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-germanys-curevac-vaccine-only-47-effective/a-57929473 [18:39] *DaemonFC_phone has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:39] activelow https://www.dw.com/en/curevacs-covid-vaccine-efficacy-a-blow-to-tesla-backed-firms-mrna-ambitions/a-57937632 [18:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-CureVacs COVID vaccine efficacy a blow to Tesla-backed firms mRNA ambitions | Business| Economy and finance news from a German perspective | DW | 17.06.2021 [18:45] *DaemonFC_phone (~daemonfc@s6wfqjg87c8ge.irc) has joined #techrights [18:55] *DaemonFC_phone has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 38.23 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 20.11 swarm size (avg): 278.52 ● Jun 18 [19:02] immibis activelow: luck? [19:05] activelow criminal fraud and scam [19:07] *DaemonFC_phone (~daemonfc@s6wfqjg87c8ge.irc) has joined #techrights [19:08] *DaemonFC_phone has quit (connection closed) [19:16] immibis activelow: what is your basis for assuming that? [19:18] *DaemonFC_phone (~daemonfc@f57xuv4w2p5i8.irc) has joined #techrights [19:18] *DaemonFC_phone has quit (connection closed) [19:21] activelow it was an assumption when the pharma suppliers began marketing with nonsense data, implying a trivial percentage value showed efficacy. [19:22] activelow which is similar to asking for the time and anyone answered my thermometer showed 23C at night, that was nonsense already when the propaganda campaign for the vaccines began [19:23] activelow and now finally a leading german research institution which was rarely mentioned before honestly confirmered their vaccine wasn't ready for approval [19:24] activelow while the competitors already milked the cash cow at stock exchanges and tax payers money [19:33] activelow *confirmed [19:33] *DaemonFC_phone (~daemonfc@xd4gcv9vf67ps.irc) has joined #techrights [19:34] *DaemonFC_phone has quit (connection closed) [19:46] immibis so it is criminal fraud and scam because you started from the assumption that it's criminal fraud and scam... basically... [19:47] activelow pardon? [19:50] *DaemonFC_phone (~daemonfc@eny3n9wp2j9mk.irc) has joined #techrights [19:52] *DaemonFC_phone has quit (connection closed) [19:53] activelow it isn't me who presented bullshit data of those who claim their vaccines were approved, and it is leading german research which recently presented theirs contradicting preceeding findings of the competition [19:54] activelow either german leading researchers are lying which had nothing to gain from announcing their research results, or it is those lying who already extorted billions of cash at stock exchanges and from tax payers [19:54] activelow *who [19:55] activelow in any case agitating for potentially harmfull vaccines which do not meet criteria for approval is a capital crime, particularly since when news and media began discussing minors should be injected with experimental vaccines ● Jun 18 [20:03] MinceR (no audio) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2021/06/14/1b46450c6b0d7299.mp4 [20:27] immibis weren't they testing a different vaccine? [20:30] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:30] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:33] activelow different types of vaccines were tested for the *same* virus, and german leading research presented results finally which contradicts the scammers' ones. [20:36] immibis everything i'm seeing says the curevac trial was only for curevac [20:37] immibis including the trial protocol document [20:38] activelow yes, and the competitor scammers' results now can be verified against the findings of curavec! [20:39] activelow since curevac presented results an approval was NOT possible i am curious how those scammers could have arrived at different conclusions to extort billions of cash ast stock exchange and from tax payers. [20:40] activelow and i would be curious too how EU could approve the research results of criminal scammers. [20:41] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [20:42] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [20:43] activelow even worse, vaccines which were advertised with potentially fraudulent data had already been injected. [20:44] activelow and news and media agitators had supported this with their propaganda lies. [20:46] immibis activelow: but... curevax is a *different vax* [20:46] immibis this is like saying, because chrome uses 600GB of RAM, it disproves microsoft's result that edge doesn't [20:47] activelow it is the the mRNA type similar to moderna and biontec, and the leading researcher in this field is curevac (Tbingen University), while moderna and biontec are "startups" [20:48] immibis activelow: edge and chrome are both the web browser type [20:48] immibis or specifically, the type that displays HTML and executes javascript [20:48] activelow and both are crap [20:49] immibis but the test result for one does not apply to the other [20:52] activelow biontec startup founders even received order of merit from german president, as a reward for their "research" and valuable service for the society as "immigrants" [20:56] activelow and now curevac presents their results: insufficient for approval. [20:56] *DaemonFC_phone (~daemonfc@9p3nkjb7puc9n.irc) has joined #techrights [20:58] *DaemonFC_phone has quit (connection closed) [20:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 43.66 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 5.85 swarm size (avg): 281.01 [20:59] *isak (~6280ba49@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights ● Jun 18 [21:00] *asusbox has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [21:00] *asusbox2 (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [21:01] MinceR mRNA vaccines are not identical to each other [21:02] MinceR afaiu to trigger an immune response they include an adjuvant which depends on which vaccine it is [21:02] MinceR the dosage can also vary [21:02] Ariadne 20:00 [Freenode] -!- ERROR Closing link: (~kaniini@2602:fd37:1:0:6697:bad:bad:bad) [G-lined: [tau] You're not welcome here. (ID: O9JY53PX9X)] [21:02] Ariadne i see [21:02] Ariadne CrystalMath: what is this big FOSS crap about [21:02] Ariadne why does andrew have a beef with debian [21:03] MinceR and presumably the process by which the lipid bilayer bits containing the mRNA can also vary [21:04] activelow the research results of those who fraudulently scammed 95% success must be verified against curevac research findings. [21:04] CrystalMath Ariadne: what it refers to is the political influence and control some people have in the FOSS world, that they're using to push other left-wing agendas instead [21:04] CrystalMath Ariadne: i think... [21:04] CrystalMath that's my understanding [21:04] Ariadne debian literally votes on all statements it publishes [21:05] Ariadne why was i g-lined from new freenode? [21:05] CrystalMath right but didn't they take away some of their member's voting rights? [21:05] *DaemonFC_phone (~daemonfc@6azu8jbvxqtk2.irc) has joined #techrights [21:05] Ariadne no? [21:05] *DaemonFC_phone has quit (connection closed) [21:05] CrystalMath Ariadne: they removed pocock [21:05] Ariadne yes [21:05] CrystalMath see? [21:05] Ariadne because pocock was going around doxing people [21:05] Ariadne which he continues to do [21:05] Ariadne at debian.community [21:06] Ariadne being part of a project is a social contract [21:06] Ariadne if you violate that contract, it is not surprising that you are removed from participation [21:09] CrystalMath i've heard other stories of right-wing people being excluded from debian [21:11] MinceR s/mRNA/& are formed/ [21:11] Ariadne okay [21:11] Ariadne what is he planning to do to debian? [21:12] CrystalMath nothing, he suggests forking it maybe, but we already did that :D [21:12] CrystalMath Devuan <3 [21:12] MinceR i don't think he gets to do anything to debian [21:12] MinceR he can't even buy it because ibm already owns debian and has more money [21:13] MinceR instead of free speech, freenode now has free g-lines after speech, i guess [21:13] MinceR (sometimes z-lines though, maybe even gz-lines) [21:13] CrystalMath MinceR: it wasn't because of something Ariadne said [21:13] CrystalMath apparently Araidne is evading a ban already [21:13] CrystalMath *Ariadne [21:13] Ariadne not on new freenode [21:14] Ariadne but if he wishes for me to continue banevading [21:14] Ariadne they still havent figured out how CIDR works [21:14] MinceR lol [21:14] MinceR CrystalMath: and what was that ban placed for? [21:15] CrystalMath i don't know [21:15] *DaemonFC_phone (~daemonfc@c74nr6evusi9g.irc) has joined #techrights [21:15] *DaemonFC_phone has quit (connection closed) [21:15] Ariadne hmm, unbanned [21:19] immibis activelow: how would you verify an edge performance test against a chrome performance test? [21:20] Ariadne CrystalMath: well if i am evading a ban, they deleted it [21:20] *tr_guest|18800 (~4e632195@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [21:20] *tr_guest|18800 has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) [21:20] CrystalMath Ariadne: i don't really know [21:21] activelow immibis: the methodology has to be checked, who complied with scientific standards and methods and who didn't [21:22] activelow i am sure not only had curevac competitor scammers to answer alot of questions, i am also sure they find themselves in jail soon together with news and media agitators who supported injecting experimental vaccines to milk the cash cow at stock exchange and tax payers [21:27] immibis activelow: You are really reaching, you are clutching at straws to prove they are corrupt, when they are not [21:28] immibis there is no actual evidence showing they are corrupt. Facts don't care about your feelings [21:28] activelow i didn't say curevac was corrupt! i say their competitors are criminals. [21:29] immibis activelow: you are presenting false evidence to try and show their competitors are corrupt. The evidence you are presenting does not show that. [21:30] activelow https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-germanys-curevac-vaccine-only-47-effective/a-57929473 [21:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Coronavirus: Germanys CureVac vaccine only 47% effective | News | DW | 16.06.2021 [21:31] immibis Yes, curevac is a failure. What's this got to do with all the other vaccines, that aren't curevac? [21:32] immibis maybe they can improve it to treat variants, and it will be better. Or maybe they can't [21:32] activelow News [21:32] activelow Coronavirus: Germany's CureVac vaccine only 47% effective [21:32] activelow The German pharma company cited "the unprecedented context of at least 13 variants" in explaining why its vaccine fell short of expectations in an interim analysis. [21:32] immibis repeating the headline doesn't make it say anything you want [21:33] immibis clearly the other vaccines used in germany are doing better than 47%, or else coronavirus would still be going up [21:33] immibis you are just telling us that curevac have an excuse for their failure [21:33] activelow it isn't only curevac competitors who belong into jail, right besides them are EU officials who approved experimental vaccines, news and media staff, and german president granting the order of merit for this [21:35] activelow curevac considers it an "interim analysis" even, meanwhile competitors reached final approval already. how? [21:37] Ariadne 20:33 O_o [21:37] Ariadne 20:33 I'm confused [21:37] Ariadne 20:34 did you not say you were going to do something to debian [21:37] Ariadne 20:34 and that debian doesn't even know its coming [21:37] Ariadne 20:34 they know [21:37] Ariadne 20:34 well what is it [21:37] Ariadne 20:34 they know what they did also [21:37] Ariadne 20:34 :-) [21:37] Ariadne 20:35 what did they do [21:37] Ariadne 20:35 Thye know [21:37] Ariadne 20:35 andrew are you really going to fuck them over because of that announcement on debian-devel-announce ._. [21:38] psymin I wonder what was done [21:40] *DaemonFC_phone (~daemonfc@x6m8iens8m5e6.irc) has joined #techrights [21:40] XRevan86 Ariadne: I am intrigued. [21:40] Ariadne XRevan86: i am worried [21:42] *DaemonFC_phone has quit (connection closed) [21:45] MinceR why [21:45] MinceR what do you think rasengan can do to debian? [21:46] MinceR especially after what debian has already done to itself (or what the CTTE did to debian, etc.) [21:46] *DaemonFC_phone (~daemonfc@3wxf3gxu5tync.irc) has joined #techrights [21:47] *DaemonFC_phone has quit (connection closed) [21:49] *DaemonFC_phone (~daemonfc@3wxf3gxu5tync.irc) has joined #techrights [21:52] *DaemonFC_phone has quit (connection closed) [21:54] XRevan86 Ariadne: Why though? rasengan is not exactly influential at this point. [21:54] Ariadne MinceR: i dunno, thats what worries me [21:54] XRevan86 And I wouldn't be surprised if he is delusional about it too. [21:55] Ariadne 20:52 wut [21:55] Ariadne 20:52 are you talking about [21:55] Ariadne 20:52 im going to save debian too. [21:55] Ariadne 20:52 i used to love debian sooo sooo much you have no idea. [21:55] Ariadne 20:53 im sure i was like one of the first 10000 in the world to install it and use it etc. [21:55] Ariadne 20:53 andrew ._. [21:55] Ariadne 20:53 save them how? [21:55] Ariadne 20:53 why do they need saving? [21:56] XRevan86 Maybe Debian should be more like macOS, as the latter clearly has nothing wrong with. [21:57] *bonzybuddy (~nckx@tq2x9gpkcfscc.irc) has joined #techrights ● Jun 18 [22:00] *DaemonFC_phone (~daemonfc@67r4yiyxv2wra.irc) has joined #techrights [22:00] *DaemonFC_phone has quit (connection closed) [22:01] Ariadne well, whatever [22:01] Ariadne i let jonathan carter (DPL) know that andrew is making weird threats about debian [22:01] Ariadne its his problem now :D [22:02] CrystalMath it would be awesome if Andrew Lee took control of debian and removed systemd [22:02] psymin hehe [22:02] Ariadne i think we all know that isnt going to happen [22:02] CrystalMath but it would be awesome [22:03] psymin bump the version of systemd to systeme [22:03] XRevan86 CrystalMath: And made it more like Elementary OS too [22:03] MinceR lol @ macos [22:03] MinceR it would be awesome indeed [22:03] XRevan86 And without any packages of the projected that crossed Andrew. [22:04] XRevan86 * projects [22:04] CrystalMath yeah, remove irccloud from debian : [22:04] CrystalMath oh wait, it's proprietary [22:04] psymin I wonder how much of Andrew's assets were tied up in taking over freenode [22:05] psymin seems a shame to take control of something and then make it lose all value [22:05] *DaemonFC_phone (~daemonfc@5te5xs4wvmc56.irc) has joined #techrights [22:06] saint_dogbert/fn If he is as well connected and financed as he leads people to believe, then the whole thing could come crashing down and it would not affect his worth [22:07] XRevan86 There are reputational damages. [22:07] *bonzybuddy has quit (Quit) [22:08] XRevan86 And I don't only mean that he made a lot of enemies. [22:08] Ariadne people are boycotting shells.com now [22:08] Ariadne haha [22:08] XRevan86 But also that it doesn't look pretty to any investor how he handled this assets. [22:09] psymin he should build a new freenode, with blackjack [22:09] MinceR didn't he already do that? [22:13] *bonzybuddy (~nckx@tq2x9gpkcfscc.irc) has joined #techrights [22:13] gustaf removing systemd isn't as easy as dropping a services database [22:13] MinceR depends on whether you want the resulting thing to function :> [22:13] activelow dbus is even more challenging, if a functional graphical desktop shall remain [22:14] XRevan86 gustaf: K-lining postgresql from the repos is however :) [22:15] activelow removing dbus locks out the entire gnome and kde desktop except for their widget toolkits, some packages require dirty patching, accessibility features are gone without dbus too [22:19] MinceR oh well, i can live without gnome and kde :> [22:20] activelow webbrowser is a show stopper, couldn't untangle dbus from epiphany yet, mozilla went with rust which is blacklisted here too, so i am stuck with an old mozilla seamonkey which i am not at least allowed to distribute due to mozilla license conditions [22:20] MinceR :( [22:20] MinceR what about blink-based browsers? [22:21] activelow any chromium based are blacklisted [22:21] MinceR why? [22:21] activelow i am willing to discuss this, yet the decision is made and wont be reverted [22:22] activelow and it is related to design goals with the system i am maintaining [22:22] DaemonFC_phone All web browsers have turned into big pigs. [22:23] MinceR that's understandable but it's not that closely tied to the scenario of rasengan taking over debian [22:23] activelow sorry, systemd triggers me, didn't mean to interrupt [22:23] MinceR :) [22:23] DaemonFC_phone Debian gave up its rights to improve Firefox at all when it agreed to the Mozilla trademark conditions. [22:24] DaemonFC_phone For some unimportant branding. [22:24] psymin those icy weasels [22:24] DaemonFC_phone Patching out some undesirable parts would still be easy, but Mozilla wouldn't approve the precious trademarks. [22:25] *DaemonFC_phone has quit (connection closed) [22:26] psymin Mozilla, and really any corp that plays with FOSS with trademarks, should have an official name for the non-official versions. [22:26] psymin I think? [22:27] MinceR maybe people should stop pretending that it's still free software when the method used to impede people in making changes happened to be trademark [22:28] psymin The license makes it free or non-free, not the trademark [22:28] psymin is there a license that forbids using trademarks? [22:28] MinceR no, abiding by the FSD makes it free or non-free [22:28] activelow i tried to explain to the fsf people other criteria exist which transform software into non-free [22:28] MinceR the thing that depends on license only is called "open source" and it's dead [22:29] MinceR FSF people used to understand this [22:29] psymin activelow, which criteria? [22:29] MinceR remember their campaign against mono [22:29] activelow bloatware, vendor lock-in, and impossibility to compile the stuff on power-efficient hardware (again vendor lock-in to hardware suppliers) [22:30] psymin activelow, can you give an example of a project with a free software license that has vendor lock in? [22:30] activelow rust language is vendor lock-in -> blacklisted [22:30] psymin I suppose XBMC had vendor lock in for a while [22:30] activelow gcc and kernel bloated beyond repair and vendor lock-in to hardware suppliers -> non-free [22:30] psymin activelow, can you briefly summarize the vendor lock in regarding rust? [22:30] activelow yes psymin, the compiler [22:31] *DaemonFC_phone (~daemonfc@dcq66ir5ayntw.irc) has joined #techrights [22:31] *DaemonFC_phone has quit (connection closed) [22:31] activelow in conjunction with mozilla trademark policies [22:31] psymin looks like rust is Apache and MIT [22:31] activelow and even if fsf/gnu decided to implement rust frontend with gcc it is a waste of resources and development efforts [22:31] gustaf activelow: what system is this? [22:32] activelow gustaf: unnamed, i am working with gentoo, custom hardened profile maintained for amd64, and aarch64 since recently [22:32] gustaf ok [22:32] psymin librsvg depends on rust, but I'm using it on a systemw w/o mozilla stuff [22:33] psymin activelow, nice! [22:33] psymin I assume mozilla is the vendor that rust locks you into? [22:33] activelow and llvm/clang (apple?) [22:33] activelow i will not accept dev-lang/rust here and anything which depends on it [22:34] activelow for various reasons [22:34] psymin activelow, I don't blame you. I wish I could take the same stance. [22:34] psymin rust doesn't like to compile [22:34] psymin or it takes more ram to compile than I'm often willing to give it or something? [22:34] activelow i don't blame anyone either, and my grieve with systemd or rust isn't that it is deployed with other distros for freedom of choice [22:35] activelow my grieve with is such cannot simply be removed so i can keep a clean system [22:35] psymin ^ [22:35] psymin free software doesn't mean it is worth using, just that it is free :) [22:36] *DaemonFC_phone (~daemonfc@rijpq4fvak9ys.irc) has joined #techrights [22:36] *DaemonFC_phone has quit (connection closed) [22:36] psymin For a while I deluded myself into think that the CPAL was "free enough" [22:37] psymin CPAL is more restrictive than MPL (and based on it) [22:37] activelow effectively no free system exists anymore, due to required tooling for circuit design which is fully proprietary (Xilinx, Altera etc) [22:38] activelow i couldn't easily flash an FPGA from an open circuit design without proprietary tooling, maybe others can, i can't [22:38] *DaemonFC_phone (~daemonfc@p4ri3zfjg3eq6.irc) has joined #techrights [22:38] *DaemonFC_phone has quit (connection closed) [22:39] activelow http://www.j-core.org summarizes quickly the situation [22:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.j-core.org | J-core Open Processor [22:39] *isak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:40] psymin nice! 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[23:38] DaemonFC It disconnects all the time because you go in and out of cell tower range. [23:38] DaemonFC Apparently, Illinois is losing two coal plants next year. One's in Waukegan right by Lake Michigan. [23:39] MinceR running it on a vps helps [23:39] MinceR but afaict ergo-ircd has some bouncer-like features built in [23:39] DaemonFC Governor Pritzker showed up to take credit for it, but according to the news, what actually killed it was that it couldn't get a profitable rate on the PJM interconnection and so it was decided to shut it down because it would be losing money starting a few months from now. [23:40] DaemonFC It appears that the entire plant generates about as much energy as the demonstration Natrium reactor that they're building in Wyoming soon. [23:40] DaemonFC But only about half a percent of total generation in Illinois. [23:41] DaemonFC I'm surprised that with the idiots running this state, that we have so much industry left. [23:41] DaemonFC You couldn't build it today. Liberals want to take us back to the stone age while continuing to get coffee that cuts down the rain forest every morning at Six Bucks. [23:42] DaemonFC Driving their car that runs on fossil fuels and conflict minerals at the same time (hybrid) which don't age well and have to be decommissioned (MOAR CARBON!). [23:43] DaemonFC John was trying to buy a 2010 Prius with 146,000 miles on it. The salesman said the battery had been reconditioned. I said, "So, does that mean that there's a new battery pack in there or that some asshole replaced a few cells and more will just fail in a year or two?". [23:45] DaemonFC It was very urgent to get a car for work, even though Chicago has one of the less shitty public transit systems in the region and his employer covered that 100%. [23:46] DaemonFC MinceR, There were some firings when it was found out that some of the office people at TSA were selling their free parking pass to other people for like $100 a month. [23:46] DaemonFC Other people would just park their car there in an employee spot and avoid leaving it at the airport lot for weeks or months on end and all those fees. [23:47] DaemonFC Many of the people doing it didn't need the parking pass because they lived in one of the houses or apartments that was like a 10-15 minute walk from work. [23:47] DaemonFC Hope they didn't need that job either. [23:48] DaemonFC John was telling me about a fat pervert that was creeping everyone out, actually. [23:48] DaemonFC Like, orca fat. He broke all of the chairs in the break room and the government launched an investigation into who was breaking the chairs. Apparently big fat guy wasn't obvious enough. [23:49] DaemonFC Then he was watching porn on a tablet during break. Groping passengers and making comments like "My, you're very well endowed.". [23:49] DaemonFC That wasn't enough to get him fired even during his first 90 days. [23:50] DaemonFC They just moved him to third shift. Then what finally did him in was when he cornered a supervisor and tried to get her to join him in the restroom. I'm telling you, this is why I don't fly. [23:50] DaemonFC If Garrett wasn't a programmer, he'd work at the TSA> [23:50] DaemonFC Talking about using open source conferences as a meat market. [23:50] *DaemonFC_phone (~daemonfc@h7cnw5eezgkuu.irc) has joined #techrights [23:50] DaemonFC Oh, there I am again. [23:50] *DaemonFC_phone has quit (connection closed) [23:51] DaemonFC Or not. [23:51] *DaemonFC_phone (~daemonfc@h7cnw5eezgkuu.irc) has joined #techrights [23:51] DaemonFC Is it the app!? [23:52] DaemonFC schestowitz, Garrett posted on Shitter that you had his favorite conspiracy theory. [23:52] DaemonFC That he's packing Linux full of junk from the NSA. [23:53] DaemonFC Maybe that is pushing it a little far. After all, the review bar seems so low these days that you can pack it full of junk that's barely even code. [23:54] *sepsinn has quit (Quit: WeeChat 3.2) [23:54] DaemonFC Like, some of the UMN patches were designed to create vulnerabilities but they were too incompetent to do that correctly and then the patch got approved. [23:54] *DaemonFC_phone has quit (connection closed) [23:56] DaemonFC MinceR, Things move so fast in the kernel that you pretty much have to fork a stable branch if you want a custom kernel. I mean, sometimes patches continue to apply correctly to a branch they weren't tested against but it's just random at that point. What they approve or don't approve is also random. [23:56] DaemonFC Reiser4 is in much better shape than BtrFS is. [23:56] DaemonFC The reason BtrFS is in is because outfits liek Facebook are members of the Linux Destroying Foundation. [23:57] DaemonFC It has nothing to do with how good the component is. Money talks. [23:57] DaemonFC But you don't dare use ReiserFS because you could format volumes with it and then the patches don't get updated, or upstream starts dropping APIs it needs because they don't use them (like what happened to ZFS on Linux). [23:58] activelow nilfs2 didn't receive alot of attention in comparison, to my surprise [23:58] DaemonFC Reiser4, that is. Not that they treat Reiser3 much better. [23:59] *DaemonFC_phone (~daemonfc@h7cnw5eezgkuu.irc) has joined #techrights