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| matey | <phanes> matey: he started to defame me, I research his background a little, and found that he's been defaming others for more than a decade. <- other than you and stallman, who has he defamed? | Jul 18 00:01 |
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| matey | feel free to raise your hand roy | Jul 18 00:01 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | I am not reading | Jul 18 00:01 |
| phanes | matey: there's a groweing laundry list that's forming, it is premature to give a comprehensive list at this point | Jul 18 00:01 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | I work at 1am | Jul 18 00:01 |
| matey | okay | Jul 18 00:01 |
| phanes | growing* | Jul 18 00:01 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | want to finish daily links and then record EPO video | Jul 18 00:01 |
| matey | it is premature to give a comprehensive list <- anyone super notable at the moment? | Jul 18 00:02 |
| phanes | matey: yes | Jul 18 00:02 |
| matey | worth mentining now? | Jul 18 00:02 |
| phanes | not yet. stay tuned. | Jul 18 00:02 |
| matey | havent seen you in a year, but youre here | Jul 18 00:02 |
| matey | so | Jul 18 00:02 |
| phanes | waiting for ole' Matty-boy to stir a little deeper into the quicksand a bit first. | Jul 18 00:03 |
| matey | roy thinks hes only here to dig up stuff on everybody | Jul 18 00:03 |
| phanes | yeah i've been around, keeping a low profile, and tbh i've been swamped with work | Jul 18 00:03 |
| techrights-news | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167350 | Jul 18 00:03 |
| phanes | he's here over narcissistic injury | Jul 18 00:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Jul 18 00:03 | |
| matey | good place for it | Jul 18 00:03 |
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| saint_dogbert | is irc.techrights.org going down for updates? | Jul 18 00:04 |
| mjg59_ | matey: I apparently defamed Kevin Kofler by calling him a dick | Jul 18 00:04 |
| matey | is he a dick? | Jul 18 00:04 |
| mjg59_ | I think so, yeah, and it's clearly an expression of opinion rather than fact | Jul 18 00:04 |
| phanes | remember you're dealing with segment B, matty-boy | Jul 18 00:05 |
| matey | i presume phanes agrees that people are entitled to opinions and honest critiques | Jul 18 00:05 |
| phanes | fo sho | Jul 18 00:05 |
| matey | whats segment b | Jul 18 00:06 |
| mjg59_ | Also Ted Ts'o for https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/18505.html | Jul 18 00:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mjg59.dreamwidth.org | mjg59 | Ted Ts'o is a rape apologist and why this matters | Jul 18 00:06 | |
| matey | oh this one is of interest to me | Jul 18 00:06 |
| mjg59_ | (Apologies for the Cloudflare, I'm looking into alternatives) | Jul 18 00:06 |
| matey | im still salty that tso was replaced by gkh | Jul 18 00:06 |
| phanes | mjg59_: yeah, did you ever issue a retraction over Ts'o? | Jul 18 00:06 |
| mjg59_ | phanes: No | Jul 18 00:06 |
| matey | yeah ill work around the cloudflare | Jul 18 00:06 |
| phanes | so what's this thing with Peter Todd? | Jul 18 00:07 |
| matey | man this takes me back to identica | Jul 18 00:07 |
| mjg59_ | phanes: The rapist? He's a rapist. | Jul 18 00:08 |
| mjg59_ | phanes: There's sworn testimony that he raped someone | Jul 18 00:08 |
| phanes | Who submitted that sworn testimony? | Jul 18 00:08 |
| techrights-news | GNU/GNOME Desktop/GTK: a2ps, glib-gtk-book, and more • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167351 | Jul 18 00:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNU/GNOME Desktop/GTK: a2ps, glib-gtk-book, and more | Tux Machines | Jul 18 00:08 | |
| mjg59_ | phanes: His victim | Jul 18 00:08 |
| phanes | so, that's a lie. his victim did not submit that to the case. someone did it on their behalf. who was that? | Jul 18 00:09 |
| techrights-news | http://techrights.org/2022/07/17/postmarketos-22-06-1-sp1/ | Jul 18 00:09 |
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| mjg59_ | phanes: Uh. His victim provided sworn testimony to the court. | Jul 18 00:09 |
| phanes | according to the briefing his victim did not submit sworn testimony, but anonymously relayed through someone else. im just checking to see if you can clarify who that "someone else" was | Jul 18 00:10 |
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| techrights-news | Video/Shows: Removing Core Utils, Full Circle Weekly News • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167352 | Jul 18 00:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Video/Shows: Removing Core Utils, Full Circle Weekly News | Tux Machines | Jul 18 00:10 | |
| matey | /me just now managed to access https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/18505.html | Jul 18 00:11 |
| matey | actually 4 minutes isnt so bad | Jul 18 00:11 |
| techrights-news | Today’s 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167353 | Jul 18 00:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Jul 18 00:11 | |
| matey | Ted Ts'o is a rape apologist and why this matters | Jul 18 00:11 |
| matey | :) | Jul 18 00:11 |
| matey | you have to admit its a catchy title | Jul 18 00:11 |
| phanes | it is | Jul 18 00:12 |
| techrights-news | Links 17/07/2022: postmarketOS 22.06.1 Service Pack 1 and Linux 5.19 RC7 | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/07/17/postmarketos-22-06-1-sp1/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/17/postmarketos-22-06-1-sp1/ | Jul 18 00:12 |
| matey | i think one of the worst things that ever happened to linux | Jul 18 00:12 |
| matey | was tso getting fucked over for gkh | Jul 18 00:12 |
| matey | now, i could be wrong | Jul 18 00:12 |
| phanes | fell short though matey, should have been titled "Scientists say Ted Ts'o is a rape apologist, and why this matters" | Jul 18 00:12 |
| matey | but thats been my opinion for years now i think | Jul 18 00:12 |
| mjg59_ | phanes: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/14868600/30/3/todd-v-lovecruft/ | Jul 18 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | <mjg59_> phanes: Uh. His victim provided sworn testimony to the court. | Jul 18 00:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Redacted Version of Jane Doe Declaration – #30, Att. #3 in Todd v. Lovecruft (N.D. Cal., 4:19-cv-01751) – CourtListener.com | Jul 18 00:12 | |
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| DaemonFC | "What happens if you lie in court? Nothing! Nothing happens if you lie, unless you get caught, and that's a whole different story!" -George Carlin | Jul 18 00:13 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Lovecruft sounds kind of kinky | Jul 18 00:13 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | like loce craft | Jul 18 00:13 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | love ship | Jul 18 00:13 |
| matey | for some reason its always the trouble makers who get the rap | Jul 18 00:13 |
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| mjg59_ | Anyway going to go and eat lunch now back in a bit | Jul 18 00:13 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | "comae aboard for sum sweet luv" | Jul 18 00:13 |
| phanes | mjg59_: si why are you so familiar with the details of the Peter Todd case? | Jul 18 00:13 |
| matey | lovecraft is kinky too, if youre into facial tentacles | Jul 18 00:14 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | zoidberg? | Jul 18 00:14 |
| matey | older and more malicious | Jul 18 00:14 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | ah | Jul 18 00:14 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | gene simmons | Jul 18 00:14 |
| matey | close enough! | Jul 18 00:14 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | it's not a tentacle | Jul 18 00:14 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | it's a tongue | Jul 18 00:14 |
| matey | honestly if i had his tongue id be more of a jerk too | Jul 18 00:15 |
| matey | just not in the same way he is | Jul 18 00:15 |
| matey | also i wouldnt grope ace frehleys wife | Jul 18 00:15 |
| matey | because thats just a dick move | Jul 18 00:15 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | remember "Love Boat"? | Jul 18 00:15 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | the futursitc version if "Love Craft" | Jul 18 00:15 |
| matey | yes, when it was exciting and new | Jul 18 00:15 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | it always sucked | Jul 18 00:15 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | maybe I was too young to understand the appeal | Jul 18 00:16 |
| matey | mine is a reference to the theme tune | Jul 18 00:16 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | seemed like fantasy cruicses | Jul 18 00:16 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | not with covid-19 they're likle morgues floating | Jul 18 00:16 |
| DaemonFC | Found some typos in my post. Fixed them. | Jul 18 00:16 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | adnd you cannot get out | Jul 18 00:16 |
| matey | ive actually never seen love boat | Jul 18 00:16 |
| DaemonFC | You always find more when you go back and look. | Jul 18 00:16 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | DaemonFC: spotted none myself | Jul 18 00:16 |
| matey | but its references in ace ventura: pet detective | Jul 18 00:16 |
| matey | and i know the first few words of the theme tune | Jul 18 00:17 |
| DaemonFC | "drove out Jonathan Riddell out" | Jul 18 00:17 |
| DaemonFC | should have just been "drove out" | Jul 18 00:17 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | matey: it was a boring one | Jul 18 00:17 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | you missed nothing | Jul 18 00:17 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | I remember the theme song | Jul 18 00:17 |
| DaemonFC | "Unity desktop shell they frequently" | Jul 18 00:17 |
| matey | yeah im sure there are episodes on youtube | Jul 18 00:17 |
| DaemonFC | Unity desktop shell, they frequently | Jul 18 00:17 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | https://yewtu.be/watch?v=m_wFEB4Oxlo | Jul 18 00:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | The Love Boat - Invidious | Jul 18 00:17 | |
| DaemonFC | I missed a comma. :P | Jul 18 00:17 |
| matey | i watched an episode of the betty white show | Jul 18 00:17 |
| matey | black and white | Jul 18 00:17 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | the best part was the theme song | Jul 18 00:18 |
| matey | and a few jack benny episodes | Jul 18 00:18 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | after that a dull episode full of crap dialogue | Jul 18 00:18 |
| matey | theyll never do that remake now | Jul 18 00:18 |
| matey | spacey is done | Jul 18 00:18 |
| matey | after that a dull episode full of crap dialogu <- this is why i dont have a tv | Jul 18 00:18 |
| matey | ok there are many reasons | Jul 18 00:18 |
| phanes | it's actually fascinating to me that a courtroom authority would allow anonymous testimony in any circumstance as it allows anyone to say anything without being held accountable for false statements and their legal repercussions, including perjury | Jul 18 00:19 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | full version: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=m2ugQ190hkc | Jul 18 00:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | The Love Boat theme (long version) - Invidious | Jul 18 00:19 | |
| matey | The final keynote speaker gave a compelling presentation on online privacy, including some slides containing sexualised imagery. This was against the terms of the conference policies, and resulted in an apology from the conference organisers and the speaker. The situation was unfortunate but well handled, and that should have been the end of it. | Jul 18 00:19 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | how they have aged https://yewtu.be/watch?v=96UV4fT_cYg | Jul 18 00:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | THE LOVE BOAT 💙 THEN & NOW 2021 - Invidious | Jul 18 00:19 | |
| matey | its funny because | Jul 18 00:19 |
| DaemonFC | "argues with Alan Pope" | Jul 18 00:19 |
| matey | whenever something is called out like this | Jul 18 00:19 |
| DaemonFC | derp | Jul 18 00:19 |
| DaemonFC | argued | Jul 18 00:19 |
| matey | i immediately want to see it | Jul 18 00:19 |
| matey | not just because it might be in the prurient interest :) | Jul 18 00:19 |
| matey | it might actually be more interesting if its tame af | Jul 18 00:19 |
| phanes | i dont suggest that this is what happened, here, I merely point out that the concept of anonymous accusations in a courtroom defies the spirit of justice | Jul 18 00:20 |
| matey | maybe it a screenshot of ubuntu! | Jul 18 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | Yikes. That's like five of them I've spotted and fixed. | Jul 18 00:20 |
| matey | Afterwards, there was some pushback on the conference mailing list. Concerns were raised about the policy being overly restrictive and the potential for it to be used to stifle speech <- well, yeah... | Jul 18 00:20 |
| techrights-news | Today in #Techrights • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167354 | Jul 18 00:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Jul 18 00:20 | |
| matey | people have been railing against censorship ever since the church decided people should be killed for using a printing press | Jul 18 00:21 |
| matey | its to be expected | Jul 18 00:21 |
| techrights-news | "I tried to use Snaps when I was experimenting with Ubuntu a few years ago. These are the major problems with it." http://techrights.org/2022/07/17/trouble-with-ubuntu-snaps/ | Jul 18 00:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Trouble With Ubuntu Snaps, Ubuntu, and Ubuntu Derivatives | Techrights | Jul 18 00:21 | |
| matey | "I don't agree with these arguments, but discussion of why policies have been implemented is completely natural and provides an opportunity for a community to determine what its expected standards are." | Jul 18 00:21 |
| matey | okay | Jul 18 00:21 |
| matey | And then Ted Ts'o effectively called rape victims liars[1] | Jul 18 00:21 |
| matey | [1]The original archive has vanished. I've put up a copy of the relevant thread here. https://web.archive.org/web/20220717231014/http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/ted_mail/ | Jul 18 00:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | lca_ted.mbox: by thread | Jul 18 00:22 | |
| phanes | matey: be careful using Garrett as a primary material source, cross-ref with other sources and piece together your own narrative from what you can verify | Jul 18 00:22 |
| matey | and piece together your own narrative <- fwiw, i spend literally years on this stuff. | Jul 18 00:23 |
| matey | no conclusions will be reached today. | Jul 18 00:23 |
| matey | and mjg as a primary source :) sorry, giggling | Jul 18 00:23 |
| matey | but hes interesting to talk to | Jul 18 00:23 |
| phanes | one of the tendencies ive noticed with this one is he tends to add details that pull at the strings of activists for disadvantaged population segments | Jul 18 00:23 |
| matey | well thats how you do it | Jul 18 00:23 |
| matey | if he does that, thats how its done | Jul 18 00:24 |
| matey | not you-you, everybody you | Jul 18 00:24 |
| phanes | i.e. lots of narrative, lots of spin, but has a seed of truth to it for validation | Jul 18 00:24 |
| matey | i mean ive been complaining about these tactics for a long fucking time | Jul 18 00:24 |
| matey | as for why im reading this | Jul 18 00:24 |
| matey | i find it helpful at times to get his side of the story | Jul 18 00:24 |
| techrights-news | Kernel prepatch 5.19-rc7 [LWN.net] http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167349#comment-34377 | Jul 18 00:25 |
| matey | imagine if columbo only talked to people he assumed were honest? | Jul 18 00:25 |
| matey | that would be a major fail at his job | Jul 18 00:25 |
| phanes | ive got a pretty good example of this captured here: https://www.abuseonline.org/database/Garrett,%20Matthew/2022-07-16/ | Jul 18 00:25 |
| matey | his job is to talk to people who are bullshitting | Jul 18 00:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 5.19-rc7 | Tux Machines | Jul 18 00:25 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.abuseonline.org | | Jul 18 00:25 | |
| matey | im pro-stallman | Jul 18 00:25 |
| matey | anti-fsf | Jul 18 00:25 |
| matey | i want history to not be rewritten. | Jul 18 00:26 |
| phanes | how can you be pro stallman and anti fsf | Jul 18 00:26 |
| matey | i think the fsf was taken over by the same coup that ousted him | Jul 18 00:26 |
| matey | and theres plenty of evidence, whether im right or not | Jul 18 00:26 |
| matey | its not even a coup anymore, its an occupation | Jul 18 00:26 |
| phanes | most of those tools resigned when the pro-stallman letter got like twice as many sigs | Jul 18 00:26 |
| matey | but of course i could be wrong | Jul 18 00:26 |
| matey | most of those tools resigned <- i have a theory about that | Jul 18 00:26 |
| matey | there are no lizards or ufos though | Jul 18 00:27 |
| matey | though i do joke about pod people | Jul 18 00:27 |
| matey | when the pro-stallman letter got like twice as many sigs <- that was a win, but | Jul 18 00:27 |
| matey | i think the damage at the fsf is permanent | Jul 18 00:28 |
| matey | my primary concern regarding that is making sure the movement survives the organisation | Jul 18 00:28 |
| matey | the real movement-- not the bullshit takeover | Jul 18 00:28 |
| phanes | i like most of the people at fsf | Jul 18 00:28 |
| phanes | when they come to ohio linuxfest i usually spend some time shooting the shit with the folks they have running a table | Jul 18 00:29 |
| matey | i think the fsf has failed in other ways, perhaps but not necessarily realted to the coup | Jul 18 00:29 |
| matey | ive been to ohio. never linuxfest | Jul 18 00:29 |
| techrights-news | ’Cider’ is an Open Source Apple Music Client for Linux Desktops • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167355 | Jul 18 00:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | ’Cider’ is an Open Source Apple Music Client for Linux Desktops | Tux Machines | Jul 18 00:29 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | fsf had faced prior attacks | Jul 18 00:29 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | pre-2019 | Jul 18 00:29 |
| phanes | i do think gcc needs a complete overhaul though, ive been crosseyed trying to automate cross-compiling a linux sysroot for surro for like 3 years | Jul 18 00:29 |
| matey | yeah fsf was attacked for about 20 years | Jul 18 00:29 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | even more | Jul 18 00:30 |
| matey | i do think gcc needs a complete overhaul though <- and a fork from outside ibm too | Jul 18 00:30 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | the first 9/11 was in 1998 | Jul 18 00:30 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | fore FSF | Jul 18 00:30 |
| phanes | matey: huh? what fork? | Jul 18 00:30 |
| matey | yeah it was called osi | Jul 18 00:30 |
| matey | <phanes> matey: huh? what fork? <- "i do think gcc needs a" no fork | Jul 18 00:30 |
| matey | needs one | Jul 18 00:30 |
| phanes | ph, yeah | Jul 18 00:31 |
| MinceR | https://obviousplant.tumblr.com/post/127169753663/theres-a-bonus-fact-on-instagram | Jul 18 00:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-obviousplant.tumblr.com | Obvious Plant — There’s a bonus fact on Instagram. | Jul 18 00:31 | |
| phanes | ive thought about trying to use clang but its such unmapped territory for that i dont think it's fruitful | Jul 18 00:31 |
| matey | if i wanted microsoft and ibm to control my computing, id just use windows | Jul 18 00:31 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | matey: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/richard-stallman-about-open-source-software.mp4 | Jul 18 00:31 |
| matey | what i dont like about clang is: | Jul 18 00:31 |
| matey | 1. github | Jul 18 00:31 |
| matey | 2. impossible to bootstrap | Jul 18 00:31 |
| matey | what i dont like about gcc: | Jul 18 00:31 |
| matey | 1. ibm | Jul 18 00:31 |
| matey | 2. still really bloated (but not compared to llvm) | Jul 18 00:31 |
| MinceR | what i don't like about clang is that crApple has its tentacles in it | Jul 18 00:32 |
| matey | compared to llvm, gcc is streamlined af | Jul 18 00:32 |
| phanes | if gcc+libc sysroot cross-compilation were easy to do though alpine wouldn't be a busybox toy still | Jul 18 00:32 |
| matey | no wonder ariadne hates you : | Jul 18 00:32 |
| matey | :) | Jul 18 00:32 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | this irc network runs on alpine | Jul 18 00:32 |
| phanes | she hates me because she loses all her arguments with me lol | Jul 18 00:32 |
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| matey | i bet she doesnt agree with that either | Jul 18 00:33 |
| phanes | of course not | Jul 18 00:33 |
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| matey | im mostly neutral on ariadne, but i dont think alpine is a toy | Jul 18 00:33 |
| matey | its main problem is the kernel | Jul 18 00:33 |
| phanes | i actively step around talking shit about her when she's not around though, she's a reasonably intelligent human being even if her morality could use a polish | Jul 18 00:33 |
| matey | and i mean, if you start with linux as a given | Jul 18 00:33 |
| matey | then theres not much you can do about that | Jul 18 00:34 |
| matey | its not like i expect them to fix it | Jul 18 00:34 |
| phanes | what's going on with the alpine kernel? | Jul 18 00:34 |
| matey | nothing, its just linux | Jul 18 00:34 |
| matey | thats seriously all i mean | Jul 18 00:34 |
| phanes | i dont use that children's toy, i stopped reading at "busy box, but we're trying to reinvent gnu userland so as not to learn how to cross-compile" | Jul 18 00:34 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | the new tuxmachiens container is less then a dozen processes c(ps aux) | Jul 18 00:35 |
| matey | im going to guess that youre trying to use their own modesty against them | Jul 18 00:35 |
| matey | but if youre not, thats funny | Jul 18 00:35 |
| phanes | eh, i think its more fluff than not. i dont really care about what alpine does or does not do. | Jul 18 00:35 |
| matey | even funnier is that i dont give a shit about alpine whatsoever | Jul 18 00:35 |
| matey | but id rather be fair to them, since it hasnt got systemd | Jul 18 00:36 |
| matey | and isnt devuan based | Jul 18 00:36 |
| phanes | systemd would be fine if they just stuck to (1) system init and (2) service state control | Jul 18 00:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | alpine is not everything but the kitchen sink | Jul 18 00:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | that's be linux and gcc | Jul 18 00:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | *that'd | Jul 18 00:36 |
| matey | systemd was intended as a cuckold os and sold as an init system | Jul 18 00:36 |
| phanes | yes | Jul 18 00:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | by a Microsoft employee :-) | Jul 18 00:37 |
| phanes | its a trojan horse by design | Jul 18 00:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | and Windows fan | Jul 18 00:37 |
| matey | and former novell guy | Jul 18 00:37 |
| phanes | it needs a "lite" fork that literally just does those two things | Jul 18 00:37 |
| matey | so its good that boycott novell is finally moving away from systemd | Jul 18 00:37 |
| phanes | and then subjects PRs that creep the scope to firing squads | Jul 18 00:37 |
| matey | it needs a "lite" fork that literally just does those two things <- but i dont want any of it | Jul 18 00:38 |
| matey | so after years of fighting systemd on gnu/linux | Jul 18 00:38 |
| matey | i finally said fuck it and moved to bsd | Jul 18 00:38 |
| phanes | oh come on, in those two categories, systemd was an objective evolution of sysv | Jul 18 00:38 |
| matey | do not care | Jul 18 00:38 |
| matey | the devs are all cunts | Jul 18 00:38 |
| phanes | lol | Jul 18 00:38 |
| matey | of the worst sort! | Jul 18 00:38 |
| matey | again, if i wanted ibm and microsoft to control my computing | Jul 18 00:39 |
| matey | id just use windows | Jul 18 00:39 |
| matey | (though it would suck. a lot.) | Jul 18 00:39 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | if you mention systemd in twitter they pounce at you | Jul 18 00:39 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | they like to pretend the critics don't know what they're talking about | Jul 18 00:39 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | or that errors encountered aren't really problems | Jul 18 00:39 |
| MinceR | 18 013628 < phanes> systemd would be fine if they just stuck to (1) system init and (2) service state control | Jul 18 00:40 |
| MinceR | IOW, systemd would be fine if it wasn't systemd :> | Jul 18 00:40 |
| matey | stupid question i know, but how many rape apologies make one a rape apologist? | Jul 18 00:40 |
| matey | im sure some will say the same number of rapes it takes to make one a rapist | Jul 18 00:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Windows would be OK if it just 1) downloaded GNU/Linux 2) rebooted | Jul 18 00:40 |
| matey | but im not sure its the same | Jul 18 00:40 |
| MinceR | 18 013826 < phanes> oh come on, in those two categories, systemd was an objective evolution of sysv | Jul 18 00:40 |
| matey | you can be wrong about something without it being part of who you are as a person | Jul 18 00:40 |
| phanes | i am still reading on the ted 'tso thing, but have yet to encounter him actually doing any "rape apology", if it's there, I haven't seen it yet | Jul 18 00:41 |
| MinceR | provided you like your zombies to stick around, your system to fail to boot or shutdown reliably and you like your service management to be unreliable, yes | Jul 18 00:41 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | he talked about statistics of rape | Jul 18 00:41 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | and it was aaaggggggessas ago | Jul 18 00:41 |
| matey | im having a look, since tso is a pivot point on the trajectory of linux from useful to tool to mostly useful to tools | Jul 18 00:41 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | when the phenomenon of cancel culture on social CONTROL media was not yet a thing | Jul 18 00:41 |
| matey | and it was aaaggggggessas ago <- has it even passed the statute of limitations? | Jul 18 00:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | matey: tso spoke out agaionst Miceosoft | Jul 18 00:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | so he needs to not be promoted | Jul 18 00:42 |
| matey | <schestowitz[TR2]> matey: tso spoke out agaionst Miceosoft <- and systemd | Jul 18 00:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | only demoted | Jul 18 00:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | iut interferes with sheela's and james' income | Jul 18 00:42 |
| matey | [LCA2011-Chat] Some Anti-Harassment Policies considered harmful Pia Waugh | Jul 18 00:42 |
| matey | any relation to jeff waugh? | Jul 18 00:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | http://techrights.org/2022/05/14/microsoft-breadwinner/ | Jul 18 00:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Who Brings Home the Bacon (Revenue), Sheela or James (Jim)? | Techrights | Jul 18 00:43 | |
| phanes | yeah i dont buy the "hey guess what, now that youre all mad that i made and avangelized this subsystem that allows microsoft to decide what os you can boot, i was an inside player all along and only did it because it was inevitable and would have been worse if i didnt" | Jul 18 00:43 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | matey: his ex wife | Jul 18 00:43 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | they ran a consulting named after his surname | Jul 18 00:43 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | theirs back then | Jul 18 00:43 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 18 00:43 |
| matey | their name makes me think of "show me the way" by peter frampton | Jul 18 00:44 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | pia is usually a danish name | Jul 18 00:44 |
| matey | beacuse he sings it over and over | Jul 18 00:44 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | maybe australia adopted it too | Jul 18 00:44 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | peeee-YA!!!!! | Jul 18 00:44 |
| matey | <schestowitz[TR2]> pia is usually a danish name <- except when its royal korean | Jul 18 00:44 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | (japenese accent) | Jul 18 00:44 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | matey: or a girl at the pub :-) | Jul 18 00:45 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | she wanted to date, then she didn't want to date, then I found out she had dated my friend arne | Jul 18 00:46 |
| matey | Please note, I am not diminishing what rape is, and or any particular person's experience. However, I *am* challenging the use of statistics that may be hyperbolic and misleading, and ultimately may be very counterproductive if it causes people to become afraid when the reality might not be as horrible as the "1 in 4" numbers might at first sound. | Jul 18 00:46 |
| matey | Just as it was wrong for George Bush to inspire fear in the population so he could push his War Against Iraq agenda through congress, it's also wrong for people who, out of good intentions, inspire fear in others or themselves of being raped if the statistics used are misleading and manipulated. | Jul 18 00:46 |
| matey | if i agree with that, am i a rape apologist? | Jul 18 00:46 |
| matey | asking for a friend! | Jul 18 00:46 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | he mentioned the wart | Jul 18 00:46 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | darpa won't be happy | Jul 18 00:47 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | *war | Jul 18 00:47 |
| matey | /me goes back to reading mjg since not sure what part he takes issue with | Jul 18 00:47 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | tghe war wart :-) | Jul 18 00:47 |
| matey | special military wart | Jul 18 00:47 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | tso also opposed exFAT in Linux | Jul 18 00:47 |
| matey | tso was exactly what linux needed to remain not shit | Jul 18 00:47 |
| phanes | when i hear "rape apologist" the term to me implies someone trying to justify rape as a less than horrible thing, which I have to admit I've never seen anyone do, like, ever | Jul 18 00:47 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | in 2019ish | Jul 18 00:47 |
| matey | and exactly what they avoided | Jul 18 00:47 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | you have to have a pair of balls | Jul 18 00:47 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | to say that | Jul 18 00:47 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | when Microsoft bribes LF | Jul 18 00:48 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | a pair of balls given the CoC | Jul 18 00:48 |
| matey | a rape apologist is a person we cant have on our team. | Jul 18 00:48 |
| matey | even if the project becomes completely co-opted by microsoft as a result. | Jul 18 00:48 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | darpa will revoke his comits :-) | Jul 18 00:48 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | he insinuated bush was wrong to "liberate" iraq | Jul 18 00:48 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | maybe tso is a chinese agent :-) | Jul 18 00:48 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | CHOIIINA | Jul 18 00:49 |
| matey | first, we implement REALLY poorly conceived broad rules that look harmless | Jul 18 00:49 |
| matey | then we target mostly troublemakers against the corporate hegemony | Jul 18 00:49 |
| matey | then we HAVE TO move forward, no matter how it may hurt or how it may give microsoft more control over their own competition | Jul 18 00:49 |
| matey | because ousting rape apologists is much more important than antitrust violations | Jul 18 00:49 |
| matey | so much so, that we cant be too careful | Jul 18 00:50 |
| matey | even a SUSPECTED rape apologist i would not want around | Jul 18 00:50 |
| matey | ruining linux for everyone | Jul 18 00:50 |
| phanes | nazi litmus test: when i hear the term "apologist" applied to nazi, a "nazi apologist" would be expected to be making justifications for nazi behaviour right | Jul 18 00:50 |
| matey | we have a nazi here, but ive never called him an apologist | Jul 18 00:50 |
| phanes | so applying the apologist descriptor in the same meaning to rape, a "rape apologist" would be expected to be making justifications for rape | Jul 18 00:50 |
| matey | actually maybe i did once in response to someone else calling him that | Jul 18 00:51 |
| matey | i called roy a debian apologist | Jul 18 00:51 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | i use debian | Jul 18 00:51 |
| matey | usually when i say "apologist" its got something corporate to the left of it | Jul 18 00:51 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | i do't use nazii | Jul 18 00:51 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | i do't use tape | Jul 18 00:51 |
| matey | /me hopes nazis dont decide to incorporate | Jul 18 00:51 |
| matey | other than ibm, siemens, hugo boss, etc | Jul 18 00:51 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | climate denier | Jul 18 00:51 |
| phanes | < matey> even a SUSPECTED rape apologist i would not want around <--- that's why anonymous accusations are so effective. | Jul 18 00:51 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | denier is another new word applied to terms | Jul 18 00:52 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | and belittles the other things | Jul 18 00:52 |
| matey | yeah but anonymous people have no reason to lie, so... | Jul 18 00:52 |
| matey | [1] every such complaint must be honest | Jul 18 00:52 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | matey: stfu, you systemd denier!!! | Jul 18 00:52 |
| matey | [2] everything on 4chan must be true | Jul 18 00:52 |
| phanes | denier, apologist, these are projected archetypes in some cases | Jul 18 00:52 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | matey: this rebranding happens now i russia | Jul 18 00:53 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | so companies can keep operating theere | Jul 18 00:53 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | gert ready for fantua.ru | Jul 18 00:53 |
| matey | this seems like a leap: | Jul 18 00:54 |
| matey | Ted disagrees with a statistic because some rape victims subsequently have sex with the reported assailant. This means that Ted believes that this indicates that they were not really raped. Ted is a rape apologist. | Jul 18 00:54 |
| matey | actually, i think the correct version of that statement is: | Jul 18 00:54 |
| matey | "Ted disagrees with a statistic" | Jul 18 00:54 |
| matey | but thats just my first impression | Jul 18 00:54 |
| MinceR | disagreeing with statistics is heresy | Jul 18 00:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | you should see ted at TED | Jul 18 00:55 |
| matey | and the punishment for heresy is death! | Jul 18 00:55 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/What-the-Tech-Industry-Has-Learned-from-Linus-Torvalds_-Jim-Zemlin-at-TEDxConcordia-U-Portland.mp4 | Jul 18 00:55 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox Sync disappeared completely from GNOME Web recently. | Jul 18 00:55 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know exactly when that happened. | Jul 18 00:55 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Zemlin's head is so big he cannot stand straight | Jul 18 00:55 |
| DaemonFC | It was having...problems. | Jul 18 00:55 |
| DaemonFC | I guess they decided to off it. | Jul 18 00:55 |
| phanes | well, hold on. maybe there's room for growth here. is not believing a claim of rape a "rape apology"? or is it disagreeing with the material facts of a situation | Jul 18 00:56 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | going to work now, bbl | Jul 18 00:56 |
| DaemonFC | Oh no, wait, they just moved it again. | Jul 18 00:56 |
| DaemonFC | LOL, over here, no over there! | Jul 18 00:56 |
| phanes | i wish i knew more people who knew more about this kind of thing, it feels like some population segments use different definitions of these terms | Jul 18 00:57 |
| phanes | and they all think that anyone not using their personal definition is a neanderthal | Jul 18 00:57 |
| matey | Last week the Ada Initiative published a blog post pointing out the damage that did | Jul 18 00:58 |
| matey | they deleted it too | Jul 18 00:58 |
| matey | This is somewhat embarrassing, isn’t it? | Jul 18 00:58 |
| phanes | did someone capture it on internet archive? | Jul 18 00:58 |
| matey | It seems we can’t find what you’re looking for. Perhaps searching can help.yeah im looking now | Jul 18 00:58 |
| phanes | id be interested in reading it | Jul 18 00:58 |
| matey | https://web.archive.org/web/20210722022721/https://adainitiative.org/2012/10/25/open-source-software-open-to-all/ | Jul 18 00:58 |
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| matey | made comments that also downplayed the seriousness of all rape. <- thats not what im getting from tsos comments | Jul 18 00:59 |
| phanes | didnt ada initiative get dissolved after a big scandal involving honeypots for prominent foss figures a few years back? | Jul 18 00:59 |
| matey | i havent read them all yet | Jul 18 00:59 |
| matey | didnt ada initiative get dissolved after a big scandal involving honeypots for prominent foss figures a few years back? <- why would they get dissovlved over that? | Jul 18 00:59 |
| matey | note "would" not "should" | Jul 18 00:59 |
| phanes | iirc there was a huge issue about it | Jul 18 01:00 |
| phanes | what year was this ada initiative link created | Jul 18 01:00 |
| matey | Theodore Y. Ts’o wrote <- i love that they use his middle initial | Jul 18 01:00 |
| matey | they should just use his full name like theyre his mother | Jul 18 01:00 |
| matey | this is the only place ive ever seen his middle initial | Jul 18 01:00 |
| matey | whats it supposed to do, inspire terror? | Jul 18 01:00 |
| MinceR | i think it's also part of his email address | Jul 18 01:01 |
| matey | "oh my god, they know the first letter of my middle name!" | Jul 18 01:01 |
| matey | i think it's also part of his email address <- fair point if so | Jul 18 01:01 |
| matey | Theodore Y. Ts’o wrote that rape was impossible if both people were drunk enough <- hmm | Jul 18 01:01 |
| matey | and that including several common kinds of rape in rape statistics could be “hyperbolic and misleading.” <- NO IT COULDNT! | Jul 18 01:01 |
| matey | you can use statistics misleadingly in ANYTHING | Jul 18 01:02 |
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| matey | E-X-C-E-P-T rape, where its IMPOSSIBLE | Jul 18 01:02 |
| matey | oh hey, the geek fem wiki has their own archive of what he said thats offensive | Jul 18 01:03 |
| matey | maybe that will be faster | Jul 18 01:03 |
| phanes | >Ts’o wrote that rape was impossible if both people were drunk enough <<-- so, that's kind of dated thinking. I mean, if both people are too drunk to consent who got raped? Is it automatically the woman in her thinking, or does she not believe that women can rape men? | Jul 18 01:03 |
| matey | http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Rape_apology_on_LCA_mailing_list | Jul 18 01:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-geekfeminism.fandom.com | Rape apology on LCA mailing list | Geek Feminism Wiki | Fandom | Jul 18 01:03 | |
| phanes | that's just bizarre thinking to me | Jul 18 01:03 |
| mjg59_ | matey: I've re-uploaded the archive of the mailing list thread | Jul 18 01:04 |
| matey | yeah i um: https://web.archive.org/web/20201021232820/http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/ted_mail/ | Jul 18 01:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | lca_ted.mbox: by thread | Jul 18 01:04 | |
| mjg59_ | matey: Oh yeah that would also work | Jul 18 01:04 |
| matey | i got it from your article | Jul 18 01:04 |
| matey | so i figure | Jul 18 01:04 |
| matey | this is hardly the most key question i have | Jul 18 01:04 |
| matey | but how many stupid arguments does one have to make about rape to be a "rape apologist" | Jul 18 01:05 |
| matey | i mean, clearly you only need to rape one person once to be a rapist | Jul 18 01:05 |
| matey | but tso made more than one argument | Jul 18 01:05 |
| mjg59_ | matey: I think if the core of your argument is that a bunch of rape isn't actually rape then you qualify | Jul 18 01:05 |
| matey | i mean as a generalisation, that sounds reasonable | Jul 18 01:06 |
| mjg59_ | phanes: Ok so have we established that someone provided sworn testimony to a court that Peter Todd raped them? | Jul 18 01:06 |
| phanes | im still not sold on someone having bad stats on rape being a "rape apologist" more than just being less informed on an issue. The term "rape apologist" implies someone justifying rape or making excuses for a rapist | Jul 18 01:06 |
| matey | implies someone justifying rape or making excuses for a rapist <- people clearly think he was doing the latter | Jul 18 01:07 |
| matey | so are they right or wrong is the question imo | Jul 18 01:07 |
| phanes | mjg59_: we have, but you and I disagree over who submitted that testimony. For some reason you say the victim submitted it, when, it's clear in other court documents that there was a relay to protect her anonymity and based on those documents I believe you know who that relay was. | Jul 18 01:07 |
| matey | in a murder they take intent into account | Jul 18 01:08 |
| matey | wrongful death, manslaughter, murder, degree, etc | Jul 18 01:08 |
| phanes | matey: i can't find any statements from T'so still that justify rape or make excuses for rapists | Jul 18 01:08 |
| mjg59_ | phanes: The victim provides their name in the document and swears to the truth of the testimony | Jul 18 01:08 |
| matey | it seems like the intent of tso wasnt to rape apologise, but to question censorship | Jul 18 01:08 |
| matey | but thats what the thread was about before it became ye olde tso rape apology thread | Jul 18 01:09 |
| phanes | matey: im leaning that direction from what i've found so far too, so, i mean, let's say that was his intent. why would MG call him a rape apologist and disrupt his career over it? | Jul 18 01:09 |
| mjg59_ | He worked for Google at the time, he works for Google now | Jul 18 01:10 |
| matey | mjg: this is going to sound like a joke at your expense, im not sure i can help that | Jul 18 01:11 |
| matey | but its a serious question that you can answer if you like | Jul 18 01:11 |
| phanes | mjg59_: so it's your assertion that calling him a rape apologist did not damage his career and reputation? | Jul 18 01:11 |
| mjg59_ | phanes: I've seen no evidence that it did | Jul 18 01:11 |
| matey | would you rather i think of you as a malicious schemer, or a useful idiot? | Jul 18 01:11 |
| matey | im not saying those are the only two possibilities | Jul 18 01:11 |
| matey | but i presume you would prefer the latter | Jul 18 01:11 |
| mjg59_ | matey: Ha honestly I understand either position | Jul 18 01:11 |
| phanes | mjg59_: do you still believe that he is a rape apologist? | Jul 18 01:12 |
| matey | oh theres evidence for either | Jul 18 01:12 |
| matey | but evidence is a piece of cake | Jul 18 01:12 |
| mjg59_ | I disagree with both, but given our divergent starting points it's easy to end up with either conclusion | Jul 18 01:12 |
| matey | theres evidence the earth is flat-- im not too swayed by it | Jul 18 01:12 |
| matey | i had breakfast with buzz aldrin once. flat earth didnt come up | Jul 18 01:12 |
| mjg59_ | phanes: Having just re-read the arguments I made, I continue to agree with them | Jul 18 01:12 |
| mjg59_ | phanes: If you want to re-publicise something that happened a decade ago, go for it | Jul 18 01:12 |
| phanes | mjg59_: do you believe anything you say? | Jul 18 01:12 |
| MinceR | "you believe in the earth?" | Jul 18 01:13 |
| matey | I disagree with both <- thats fair of course, but its not my question | Jul 18 01:13 |
| mjg59_ | phanes: But I mean re-publicising something that most people have forgotten about seems like a way to draw more attention to my original assertions? | Jul 18 01:13 |
| matey | im not asking if you ARE a malicious schemer or a useful idiot | Jul 18 01:13 |
| matey | im asking which one youd rather i think, if i were going to assume one of those | Jul 18 01:13 |
| phanes | matey: why do those have to be mutually exclusive? | Jul 18 01:13 |
| matey | they arent | Jul 18 01:13 |
| matey | chocolate and vanilla ice cream arent exclusive. im only asking his preference | Jul 18 01:14 |
| mjg59_ | matey: Honestly my preference would be for people to think I'm a malicious schemer because I'm vain and I'd like people to think I'm smart enough to achieve everything they suspect me of | Jul 18 01:14 |
| phanes | no | Jul 18 01:14 |
| phanes | you're not vain | Jul 18 01:14 |
| phanes | you have textbook NPD | Jul 18 01:14 |
| matey | <mjg59_> matey: Honestly my preference would be for people to think I'm a malicious schemer because I'm vain and I'd like people to think I'm smart enough to achieve everything they suspect me of <- thats disappointing | Jul 18 01:14 |
| phanes | they are not the same thing | Jul 18 01:14 |
| mjg59_ | matey: Ideally I'd prefer people to think I'm neither | Jul 18 01:14 |
| matey | i would have assumed youd rather i think you were a good person who was manipulated | Jul 18 01:14 |
| matey | yeah, i mean of the two | Jul 18 01:14 |
| matey | we could start with the premise that both are absurdities | Jul 18 01:15 |
| matey | but you agree theyre plausible | Jul 18 01:15 |
| mjg59_ | Eh. Look, me saying that things I've done are because other people encouraged me to do them would be a lie. | Jul 18 01:15 |
| matey | for me thats not the point | Jul 18 01:15 |
| mjg59_ | I take responsibility for my own choices | Jul 18 01:15 |
| matey | yeah you have this thing about agency | Jul 18 01:15 |
| matey | and its got a place to be sure | Jul 18 01:15 |
| matey | but i was thinking, this morning actually | Jul 18 01:15 |
| phanes | what does "taking responsibility for my own choices" mean to you other than a soundbyte to make you sound reasonable, though? | Jul 18 01:15 |
| mjg59_ | phanes: Why did you change your blog site about your ex-fiance to remove your name and insert a fake one instead? | Jul 18 01:16 |
| matey | your take on agency almost seems to preclude the existence of manipulation and people being taken advantage of-- which im sure you dont believe | Jul 18 01:16 |
| mjg59_ | matey: I believe people can be taken advantage of! But the set of people I associate with now and listen to has almost nothing in common with the people who were there a decade ago | Jul 18 01:16 |
| matey | <phanes> what does "taking responsibility <- he plays this agency meme a lot, and while im not sure it proves anything (or that its insincere) its the most interesting thing i can think of about his positions | Jul 18 01:16 |
| mjg59_ | If I'm a useful idiot, that would require new people to be manipulating me | Jul 18 01:17 |
| matey | <mjg59_> matey: I believe people can be taken advantage of! But the set of people I associate with now and listen to has almost nothing in common with the people who were there a decade ago | Jul 18 01:17 |
| matey | ^ now this reminds me of something roy says | Jul 18 01:17 |
| mjg59_ | But my positions have been pretty consistent throughout | Jul 18 01:17 |
| matey | t, that would require new people to be <- heres why i disagree | Jul 18 01:17 |
| matey | But my positions have been pretty consistent throughou <- this i agree with | Jul 18 01:17 |
| matey | youre way more consistent than roy | Jul 18 01:17 |
| matey | hes all over the place | Jul 18 01:17 |
| matey | cultists can also be very consistent | Jul 18 01:18 |
| matey | im not saying that applies her | Jul 18 01:18 |
| phanes | i think "cultist" is a stretch here | Jul 18 01:18 |
| matey | just that a fiction can be told very consistently | Jul 18 01:18 |
| phanes | ideological, certainly | Jul 18 01:18 |
| matey | i want implying hes a cultist | Jul 18 01:18 |
| mjg59_ | phanes: Why did you change your blog site about your ex-fiance to remove your name and insert a fake one instead? | Jul 18 01:18 |
| matey | roy says (or has said) that the fsf cant be manipulated by corporations | Jul 18 01:19 |
| matey | because the big nasty ones have pulled out | Jul 18 01:19 |
| phanes | yeah they throw the money around | Jul 18 01:19 |
| matey | this is a sort of transistor model of manipulation | Jul 18 01:19 |
| matey | where once you remove the signal, it removes the boost | Jul 18 01:19 |
| matey | but in real life manipulation isnt like that | Jul 18 01:19 |
| matey | if someone is manipulated | Jul 18 01:20 |
| matey | its easier for them to get away from that if you remove the manipulator from the equation | Jul 18 01:20 |
| matey | but a lot of these things are long-lasting | Jul 18 01:20 |
| matey | sometimes for life, sometimes for years | Jul 18 01:20 |
| matey | and depending on the form of manipulation-- a lie is one | Jul 18 01:20 |
| matey | if you realise a lie is a lie, thats often enough to remove the effect of the manipulation | Jul 18 01:20 |
| matey | if the method is fear-- that can last for ages | Jul 18 01:20 |
| matey | but if you dont realise that a lie is a lie | Jul 18 01:21 |
| matey | or that youre afraid of something youre avoidant of | Jul 18 01:21 |
| mjg59_ | I note that phanes just doesn't want to answer some questions about his own behaviour | Jul 18 01:21 |
| matey | then removing the manipulator can have zero effect on how you were manipulated | Jul 18 01:21 |
| matey | and yet | Jul 18 01:21 |
| phanes | mjg59_: did you prompt Valeria to write her piece on T'so and then the two of you agree later it needed to come from you as part of a coordination of PR interests? | Jul 18 01:21 |
| phanes | *valerie | Jul 18 01:21 |
| mjg59_ | phanes: Not to the best of my knowledge, no | Jul 18 01:21 |
| phanes | to the best of your knowledge | Jul 18 01:21 |
| mjg59_ | I mean | Jul 18 01:22 |
| phanes | what an odd way to answer that | Jul 18 01:22 |
| matey | but the idea that the fsf is suddently free of corporate influence now that the corporations are gone (it still tries to gain favour with them) | Jul 18 01:22 |
| mjg59_ | If I wrote a thing and she then decided to write a thing as a result of me writing a thing, did I prompt her? | Jul 18 01:22 |
| matey | or that a manipulator leaves your life is no longer affecting someone | Jul 18 01:22 |
| mjg59_ | I didn't talk to her about it, and she didn't talk to me about it | Jul 18 01:22 |
| matey | its not vrey realistic (or very oversimplified) | Jul 18 01:22 |
| matey | on the other side of the coin of course | Jul 18 01:22 |
| phanes | mjg59_: right, none of this is about me, it's about you | Jul 18 01:23 |
| matey | not everything is manipulation | Jul 18 01:23 |
| matey | some (radical) feminists belive that men have more power on average, so all hetero sex is rape. | Jul 18 01:23 |
| phanes | mjg59_: well no, valerie wrote the ada piece on ts'o first and then you did it, and then ada pulled down the ts'o piece | Jul 18 01:23 |
| phanes | it was in such a short timeline too | Jul 18 01:23 |
| matey | in other words, all hetero sex is the result of manipulation or imbalance of power | Jul 18 01:23 |
| matey | i take some issue with that argument | Jul 18 01:24 |
| phanes | the kind of synchronicity that implies coordinated activity | Jul 18 01:24 |
| matey | but its not a very popular one | Jul 18 01:24 |
| mjg59_ | phanes: I did not ask Valerie to write anything, she did not ask me to write anything. Whether something I did encouraged her to do something, I have no idea | Jul 18 01:24 |
| matey | phanes: you dont think a snowball effect is just as plausible? | Jul 18 01:24 |
| phanes | mjg59_: what do you know about the honeypot accusations levied against the ada initiative | Jul 18 01:24 |
| phanes | matey: no, i dont in this case | Jul 18 01:24 |
| matey | any particular reason? | Jul 18 01:25 |
| mjg59_ | phanes: I have literally zero factual knowledge beyond ESR's assertions | Jul 18 01:25 |
| matey | /me wishes it was anyone but esr | Jul 18 01:25 |
| matey | even tso | Jul 18 01:25 |
| phanes | matey: mostly tactical inference admittedly | Jul 18 01:25 |
| matey | fair enough | Jul 18 01:25 |
| mjg59_ | phanes: You don't think your removal of your own name from your blog about your ex-fiance and replacing it with someone else's name is consistent with you using false identities when criticising people? | Jul 18 01:26 |
| matey | at the foot of https://geekfeminism.wikia.org/wiki/Rape_apology_on_LCA_mailing_list | Jul 18 01:27 |
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| matey | is a link to a "privilege denial" event | Jul 18 01:27 |
| phanes | mjg59_: so, you just happened to be lip synced to defame ted ts'o as a rape apologist with an organization later destroyed by allegations of dishonest practices involving the same theme | Jul 18 01:27 |
| mjg59_ | phanes: I genuinely have no recollection of the order of events there | Jul 18 01:28 |
| phanes | mjg59_: and let's be clear, here, you know valeria and were in cooperation with the ada initiative at the point already | Jul 18 01:28 |
| phanes | why do i keep spelling her name 'valeria'. *valerie | Jul 18 01:28 |
| phanes | *at that point | Jul 18 01:29 |
| mjg59_ | https://geekfeminism.fandom.com/wiki/Rape_apology_on_LCA_mailing_list?action=history was apparently created on 2011-04-23 | Jul 18 01:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-geekfeminism.fandom.com | Revision history of "Rape apology on LCA mailing list" | Geek Feminism Wiki | Fandom | Jul 18 01:29 | |
| mjg59_ | I blogged about it on 2012-10-29 | Jul 18 01:29 |
| matey | and your blog starts by mentioning the previous year | Jul 18 01:30 |
| mjg59_ | Yeah the event itself was early 2011 - it was the year Brisbane flooded | Jul 18 01:30 |
| phanes | ada post is on 2012-10-25 | Jul 18 01:30 |
| phanes | four days | Jul 18 01:31 |
| phanes | what synchronicity | Jul 18 01:31 |
| phanes | it gets taken down shortly after on ada site | Jul 18 01:31 |
| phanes | put up on your blog | Jul 18 01:31 |
| phanes | and the liability transfers | Jul 18 01:31 |
| phanes | to someone with some immunities | Jul 18 01:31 |
| phanes | interesting stuff | Jul 18 01:31 |
| phanes | im not saying that's the reason why | Jul 18 01:32 |
| phanes | im just saying that's the result of the change | Jul 18 01:32 |
| matey | what immunities | Jul 18 01:32 |
| phanes | or would have been should it not have been captured in internet archive | Jul 18 01:32 |
| mjg59_ | phanes: Do you have a link? I'm afraid I honestly don't remember. | Jul 18 01:32 |
| matey | /me bets it matters when its taken down even if the archive archives it | Jul 18 01:32 |
| mjg59_ | There's a lot of stuff that happened a decade ago that I don't remember | Jul 18 01:32 |
| matey | not always | Jul 18 01:33 |
| phanes | schestowitz[TR2]: you have some input on what kind of immunities MG might have? | Jul 18 01:33 |
| matey | /me is curious | Jul 18 01:33 |
| mjg59_ | I'm not aware of having any immunities | Jul 18 01:33 |
| mjg59_ | I'm a US citizen living in the US, I don't enjoy any special status here | Jul 18 01:33 |
| phanes | Aren't you Irish on a visa? | Jul 18 01:34 |
| mjg59_ | phanes: No | Jul 18 01:34 |
| phanes | im hesitant to call you scottish | Jul 18 01:34 |
| mjg59_ | I'm definitely not Scottish | Jul 18 01:34 |
| matey | its not scotland | Jul 18 01:34 |
| phanes | dont want to offend anyone | Jul 18 01:34 |
| phanes | the scottish i mena | Jul 18 01:34 |
| mjg59_ | I have multiple citizenships | Jul 18 01:34 |
| mjg59_ | One of them is US | Jul 18 01:34 |
| matey | maybe you could flee the country to avoid a defamation lawsuit | Jul 18 01:35 |
| mjg59_ | Ok, I guess we're talking about https://web.archive.org/web/20121029035100/http://adainitiative.org/2012/10/open-source-software-open-to-all/ | Jul 18 01:35 |
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| matey | (im not leaning on this, im speculating) | Jul 18 01:35 |
| mjg59_ | Which was still online in 2021: https://web.archive.org/web/20210722022721/https://adainitiative.org/2012/10/25/open-source-software-open-to-all/ | Jul 18 01:35 |
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| matey | i mean thats probably an extreme response to most defamation lawsuits | Jul 18 01:35 |
| mjg59_ | So it's plausible that I read that and it encouraged me to write about Ted | Jul 18 01:35 |
| phanes | oh i dont think so | Jul 18 01:36 |
| mjg59_ | Cool? | Jul 18 01:37 |
| phanes | what i think happened is you and aurora planned it out and pivoted for liability reasons | Jul 18 01:37 |
| mjg59_ | What liability reasons? | Jul 18 01:37 |
| mjg59_ | That post remained on the Ada Initiative blog | Jul 18 01:37 |
| phanes | particularly given how her organization fell apart, and why, and given your previous association with her, and common theme | Jul 18 01:37 |
| mjg59_ | But no, I'm pretty sure Valerie did not encourage me to write that post in any way | Jul 18 01:37 |
| phanes | which is also the same theme in most of your documented instances of defamatory behaviour | Jul 18 01:38 |
| mjg59_ | I think you're going to need to be clearer on your accusation here | Jul 18 01:38 |
| phanes | and also the same theme in what is unconfirmed to be defamatory behaviour but is in progress | Jul 18 01:38 |
| mjg59_ | Especially because you've already made an assertion that appears untrue | Jul 18 01:38 |
| mjg59_ | 01:31 < phanes> it gets taken down shortly after on ada site | Jul 18 01:39 |
| phanes | relax, this is just icing stuff at this point. i dont need to clarify anything yet. | Jul 18 01:39 |
| mjg59_ | Evidence suggests otherwise | Jul 18 01:39 |
| phanes | we're just exploring the past | Jul 18 01:39 |
| phanes | and finding patterns that extend from where you are today on a timeline | Jul 18 01:39 |
| phanes | i tell ya what though, i have an offer for you that you would consider an olive branch to pull you out of the quicksand | Jul 18 01:40 |
| mjg59_ | phanes: Was your claim that the post was taken down from the Ada Initiative website true? | Jul 18 01:41 |
| phanes | i know that youre very arrogant and are less inclined after having a discussion, since you work mostly off FFF valuations | Jul 18 01:41 |
| phanes | but | Jul 18 01:41 |
| phanes | i'll want to have provided it for you to remember that it was there, and it's a real offer | Jul 18 01:42 |
| phanes | with an expiration date | Jul 18 01:42 |
| mjg59_ | Having been involved in lawsuits I am well aware of the value of a reasonable settlement | Jul 18 01:42 |
| phanes | it wont cost you a dime. not everyone like us is obsessed with money. | Jul 18 01:42 |
| mjg59_ | I'm also well aware that you haven't sued me, so we're not talking about settling a lawsuit | Jul 18 01:43 |
| phanes | you're right, we're not | Jul 18 01:43 |
| mjg59_ | So, what's your offer | Jul 18 01:43 |
| phanes | I'll send it in a private message shortly. | Jul 18 01:44 |
| matey | In the FFF system, heat transfer coefficients are conventionally reported as BTU per foot-fathom per degree Fahrenheit per fortnight. | Jul 18 01:44 |
| matey | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FFF_system | Jul 18 01:44 |
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| phanes | matey: Fight, Fuck, Flee | Jul 18 01:44 |
| matey | thank you | Jul 18 01:44 |
| matey | though really, thank you for inadvertently leading me to this article as well | Jul 18 01:44 |
| mjg59_ | 01:45 <phanes> If you (1) make out a list of everyone you have ever damaged the reputation of in the last ten years. (2) Make a public statement to each of them individually apologizing and retracting what you said to them. (3) commit to me personally and sincerely that you will seek to improve yourself in this area with earnest effort. -- Then I will give you a clean slate. | Jul 18 01:47 |
| mjg59_ | Hm. So, I've damaged the reputation of Microsoft at various points in the past 10 years. Am I supposed to apologise to them? | Jul 18 01:47 |
| mjg59_ | Also Intel, Google, Red Hat, and more | Jul 18 01:47 |
| phanes | It is your pile of bodies to sort through. | Jul 18 01:48 |
| mjg59_ | Cool | Jul 18 01:48 |
| mjg59_ | Having a pile of bodies sounds pretty bad-ass | Jul 18 01:48 |
| phanes | I would be the first on the list of your many retractions and apologies. | Jul 18 01:48 |
| phanes | And this is a generous offer. | Jul 18 01:49 |
| mjg59_ | phanes: Was your claim that the Ada Initiative removed their post about Ted 4 days after posting it true? | Jul 18 01:49 |
| mjg59_ | It seems like a core part of your theory of what happened here | Jul 18 01:50 |
| mjg59_ | So I'd really like to understand that aspect of things better | Jul 18 01:50 |
| phanes | It's not even a theory at this point, I'm more musing around on what happened at that point. | Jul 18 01:50 |
| mjg59_ | You made an explicit factual assertion | Jul 18 01:51 |
| mjg59_ | Was it true? | Jul 18 01:51 |
| phanes | I will clarify nothing for you in this context. | Jul 18 01:51 |
| mjg59_ | Ok do you agree that https://web.archive.org/web/20210722022721/https://adainitiative.org/2012/10/25/open-source-software-open-to-all/ indicates that the post was still on the website in 2021, almost 9 years after it was originally posted? | Jul 18 01:52 |
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| phanes | I do not distract. | Jul 18 01:53 |
| mjg59_ | And do you agree that 9 years is longer than 4 days? | Jul 18 01:53 |
| phanes | Well, I do distract, I am not distracted is more accurate. | Jul 18 01:53 |
| matey | its still possible that it was taken down at some point (though im not married to this) | Jul 18 01:53 |
| matey | in between | Jul 18 01:54 |
| phanes | im not either, i was under the impression it was taken down soon after, so, if it wasn't that idea wouldn't have any backing to it | Jul 18 01:54 |
| matey | thats what hes saying | Jul 18 01:54 |
| mjg59_ | Here it is in 2013: https://web.archive.org/web/20130310141254/http://adainitiative.org/2012/10/open-source-software-open-to-all/ | Jul 18 01:55 |
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| phanes | no what he's doing is still playing toy soldier against a tank and hoping to get lucky in a gotcha instead of disengaging conflict to realize he's being given a way out of a problem he created for himself, made worse for himself, and is now super close to unraveling a whole bunch of other stuff he didn't expect | Jul 18 01:55 |
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| matey | there are plenty of good reasons to take stallman down, most of them arent very plausible or relevant | Jul 18 01:55 |
| mjg59_ | So if it was taken down it was put back up shortly afterwards | Jul 18 01:55 |
| matey | suppose for example, if stallman were made entirely of a powerful radioactive isotope | Jul 18 01:56 |
| phanes | in all fairness if i didn't have any leverage and were super pissed about not getting my way i'd want to as well | Jul 18 01:56 |
| matey | then taking him down could prevent wwiii | Jul 18 01:56 |
| matey | but i would understand | Jul 18 01:56 |
| matey | especially if other means were explored and found insufficient | Jul 18 01:57 |
| mjg59_ | phanes: All I'm saying here is that you made an explicit claim (a post was made on the Ada Initiative website on 2012-10-25 and was taken down by 2012-10-29), you have provided no evidence to support that assertion, and that externally available evidence does not support your position terribly well | Jul 18 01:57 |
| matey | of course imo the point of taking him down was to silence his followers, not just him | Jul 18 01:57 |
| MinceR | 18 025425 < matey> thats what hes saying | Jul 18 01:57 |
| MinceR | that's what she said! | Jul 18 01:57 |
| phanes | MAttie-boy what you're not taking into account is that, let's say you find some way to fabricate a damaging enough lie or find out im some kind of FBI fugitive or some kind of weird bizarre damaging thing, you're still not going to be able to use it because im willing to be destroyed over truth. | Jul 18 01:57 |
| matey | she said it, but we cant say she said it because she said if we said it it would violate the code of conduct | Jul 18 01:58 |
| matey | by the seashore | Jul 18 01:58 |
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| phanes | i mean | Jul 18 01:58 |
| phanes | you could | Jul 18 01:58 |
| phanes | it just won't change anything | Jul 18 01:58 |
| mjg59_ | phanes: Is it true that the Ada Initiative blogged about Ted and then took down the post 4 days later? | Jul 18 01:58 |
| MinceR | i don't think there's a good reason to take rms down, considering that he's hardly doing anything anymore | Jul 18 01:58 |
| phanes | there is one, and i mean exactly one path to resolution | Jul 18 01:58 |
| phanes | and after a certain point of escalation you'll have burned that olive branch | Jul 18 01:58 |
| matey | i dont think theres a good reason to take him down, hes already down | Jul 18 01:58 |
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| matey | and the thing he was taken down over was bullshit | Jul 18 01:59 |
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| mjg59_ | Ok I think we've reached the point in the conversation where it's obvious that Phanes just made some shit up and can't support it but is unwilling to admit that | Jul 18 01:59 |
| MinceR | yeah | Jul 18 01:59 |
| matey | and if we let it go the same could happen to any of us | Jul 18 01:59 |
| matey | <mjg59_> Ok I think we've reached the point in the conversation where it's obvious that Phanes just made some shit up and can't support it but is unwilling to admit that <- in fairness he mentioned a laundry list | Jul 18 01:59 |
| matey | and im sure this isnt the whole thing | Jul 18 02:00 |
| phanes | no i always was clear that it was an exploration of what happened and i incorporate new information into my thinking as im exposed to it since im not an ideologue | Jul 18 02:00 |
| mjg59_ | Oh yeah but you should apply a critical eye to his laundry list when it's clear that he's ok with just making things up without evidence | Jul 18 02:00 |
| phanes | lol | Jul 18 02:00 |
| matey | if mjg has spent his career defaming people unfairly and phanes can stop that, great | Jul 18 02:00 |
| phanes | matt, the text is right here for people to read | Jul 18 02:00 |
| phanes | he wants this to be a phanes thing instead of a matthew garrett thing | Jul 18 02:01 |
| matey | im familiar with the manuever | Jul 18 02:01 |
| mjg59_ | Yes, the text where you rely on an unsupported assertion | Jul 18 02:01 |
| matey | phanes, are you familiar with british comedy other than the knight from the round table on your website? presumably yes | Jul 18 02:02 |
| matey | douglas adams? | Jul 18 02:02 |
| phanes | yes, that's part of how conceptual exploration works if you dont have someone mashing your peas to feed to you | Jul 18 02:02 |
| matey | dirk gentlys holistic detective agency? | Jul 18 02:02 |
| phanes | matey: i <3 Douglass Adams | Jul 18 02:02 |
| phanes | matey: have you read his posthumous salmon of doubt? | Jul 18 02:02 |
| matey | did you ever see the television series of dirk gently? its not the same as the books | Jul 18 02:03 |
| phanes | no i haven't lol | Jul 18 02:03 |
| phanes | ill have to check it out | Jul 18 02:03 |
| matey | is there an artificial god (salmon of doubt is one my favourite atheist works | Jul 18 02:03 |
| matey | <phanes> ill have to check it out <- if you check out the first few episodes | Jul 18 02:03 |
| matey | youll have a pretty good idea where im coming from | Jul 18 02:03 |
| matey | dirk gently is played by "DAN!" from im alan partridge | Jul 18 02:04 |
| matey | "lynne, these are sex people!" | Jul 18 02:04 |
| phanes | i think i offered him the olive branch too soon, he's still in "if i find an unrelated gotcha your cited exposure of me wont count and your whole lifetime of established credibility is meaningless bwahahahahah!</wario voice>"" | Jul 18 02:04 |
| phanes | i mean really man, your tricks just do not work on someone like me | Jul 18 02:05 |
| matey | ive never offered him one | Jul 18 02:05 |
| mjg59_ | Ha ha established credibility woo | Jul 18 02:05 |
| matey | im only interested in what hes actually done, not anything he hasnt, and our exchanges seem cordial | Jul 18 02:05 |
| phanes | yes, in even areas you are an expert in, i am actually more credible than you are to most of society outside of your immediate circles | Jul 18 02:06 |
| phanes | there's a reason for that | Jul 18 02:06 |
| matey | phanes: i believe youve written some software. what are you expert in? | Jul 18 02:06 |
| matey | (ill tell you what im expert in: fuck all) | Jul 18 02:06 |
| matey | /me is not an expert | Jul 18 02:06 |
| phanes | and it's not something you can acquire without spending alot of time working on "who is matthew garrett inside" | Jul 18 02:06 |
| matey | i did get called an sme once, but i think that was hypothetical | Jul 18 02:06 |
| phanes | mjg59_: now, granted, i know your next major strategy is going to involve trying to round up a mob of defamers, and that will backfire as much as every other piece of this has so far, but you really could do better, and you have a choice to | Jul 18 02:08 |
| phanes | it'll be a conscious decision on your part what you do every step of the way | Jul 18 02:08 |
| mjg59_ | phanes: What's your predicted outcome if I fail to do what you ask of me? What impact will your attacks have on my life, and over what timescale? | Jul 18 02:08 |
| mjg59_ | I'd like to have some meaningful predictions so we can measure how effective you are afterwards | Jul 18 02:08 |
| phanes | mjg59_: while I can see why you'd care, that's none of your business | Jul 18 02:09 |
| mjg59_ | Eg, "Matthew Garrett will be fired by his employer within (x) months of his defamatory behaviour being unmasked" | Jul 18 02:09 |
| matey | i have a theory about that, but its general | Jul 18 02:09 |
| mjg59_ | Not having a timeline makes it seem like you're not confident that you'll achieve your outcome | Jul 18 02:09 |
| matey | people on the corporate side rarely feel the brunt of the corporate side (all things being relative) | Jul 18 02:09 |
| phanes | You really needed someone dumber to go through this with, but this is what life gave you. | Jul 18 02:09 |
| phanes | Re'd ya book, man. | Jul 18 02:10 |
| phanes | Are you going to be a better person? | Jul 18 02:11 |
| mjg59_ | I always strive to be a better person | Jul 18 02:11 |
| mjg59_ | But I suspect we disagree on what "better person" means | Jul 18 02:12 |
| phanes | Yes, defaming peope habitually is not what I envision in that. You lack a certain regard for the impact of the damaging things you say about people. | Jul 18 02:12 |
| phanes | Not just with me, either, we've demonstrated that. | Jul 18 02:12 |
| phanes | You're aware you've got a blind spot but you're not aware of when it's showing. | Jul 18 02:13 |
| mjg59_ | An alternative explanation here is that you're some kind of fuckup in this respect | Jul 18 02:13 |
| mjg59_ | But, as you say, it's not up to us to decide that - other people do it for us | Jul 18 02:14 |
| phanes | The way you become a better person is acknowleding those defects present in every living person, particularly the ones that affect you more than most, and addressing them, and changing your behaviour to counter them. | Jul 18 02:14 |
| phanes | That starts with, and this can be done just internally, you dont have to tell people about it, acknowledging them and deciding to fix them. | Jul 18 02:15 |
| phanes | It's harder than it sounds. | Jul 18 02:15 |
| mjg59_ | I'm willing to put money on this! Let's say that if, within 18 months, I have suffered meaningful career damage as a result of you publicising my behaviour, I'll donate $5000 to an abortion support fund of your choice | Jul 18 02:15 |
| matey | /me made this the ending of a charles dickens parody | Jul 18 02:15 |
| mjg59_ | And if I haven't, you'll do the same | Jul 18 02:15 |
| mjg59_ | Fair? 18 months sounds like enough time for you to manage this | Jul 18 02:15 |
| phanes | No, we won't be doing anything like that. | Jul 18 02:16 |
| mjg59_ | Coward | Jul 18 02:16 |
| phanes | Yes repeatedly running circles around you without stooping to your level is somehow cowardice. | Jul 18 02:16 |
| matey | also denis roio on a motorcycle | Jul 18 02:17 |
| phanes | I think you confuse kindness with weakness. | Jul 18 02:17 |
| phanes | It's a common trait for the weak. | Jul 18 02:17 |
| mjg59_ | I feel like donating $5000 to an abortion support fund is pretty kind? | Jul 18 02:18 |
| matey | /me wonders what james randi is up to | Jul 18 02:19 |
| mjg59_ | It just sounds like you're not confident that anything you do here is going to have any impact on me | Jul 18 02:19 |
| phanes | Oh. I get it. You're trying to convert the pressure you're under into narcissistic supply for a serotonin rescue. Not happening. | Jul 18 02:19 |
| phanes | Simply because you asked for it, if you need a reason. | Jul 18 02:19 |
| phanes | You don't understand what's going on here. | Jul 18 02:20 |
| mjg59_ | I understand that you're insufficiently confident in the outcome of your attacks here that you're unwilling to have money donated to a cause you support | Jul 18 02:21 |
| phanes | Then the concepts we've discussed here were over your head. | Jul 18 02:22 |
| phanes | I'm actually seriously confused by intellectual grade displayed through this saga so far, I really had been expecting a string mind for a previous kernel developer, and I had prepared for that, but you come across like a normie. | Jul 18 02:23 |
| phanes | strong | Jul 18 02:23 |
| phanes | * | Jul 18 02:23 |
| phanes | you're navigating this just so....poorly | Jul 18 02:24 |
| phanes | not that i can complain about that, i just wonder if you've got something going on | Jul 18 02:24 |
| matey | /me likes columbo more than jordan peterson | Jul 18 02:25 |
| phanes | none of my business, but if you do, and that's contributed to your defamation in some instances, i'd like to know about it and am wiling to preserve confidence on it | Jul 18 02:25 |
| phanes | columbo was awesome | Jul 18 02:26 |
| phanes | i grew up watching old reruns | Jul 18 02:26 |
| matey | he never did figure out if fred savage was really sick though | Jul 18 02:27 |
| matey | or just using it as an alibi | Jul 18 02:27 |
| matey | and he never questioned the six-fingered man, or even reported inigo montoya | Jul 18 02:28 |
| phanes | :/ | Jul 18 02:29 |
| phanes | wow we got up to 330k people for exposure last week lol | Jul 18 02:29 |
| matey | who? | Jul 18 02:30 |
| phanes | this abuseonline thing | Jul 18 02:30 |
| matey | oh thats you? | Jul 18 02:30 |
| *phanes shrugs | Jul 18 02:30 | |
| phanes | SILO GROUP is taking abuse reports | Jul 18 02:31 |
| phanes | at their abuse@silogroup.org email set up over a year ago | Jul 18 02:31 |
| phanes | those are the only details i'll provide | Jul 18 02:32 |
| phanes | besides this: https://www.abuseonline.org/database/Garrett,%20Matthew/2022-07-16/ | Jul 18 02:32 |
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| matey | no i hadnt noticed is all | Jul 18 02:32 |
| matey | yeah it mentions your tweet | Jul 18 02:33 |
| matey | https://www.abuseonline.org/database/secondary-actors/Patterson,%20Meredith/start_notes.md | Jul 18 02:33 |
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| matey | :( | Jul 18 02:33 |
| matey | i didnt know she was party to this | Jul 18 02:34 |
| phanes | yeah the appelbaum thing is touchy in terms of formalizing the reporting on it because its so socially charged | Jul 18 02:34 |
| matey | my impression is that patterson called it like she saw it and meant no ill will | Jul 18 02:35 |
| matey | have you read her article on... | Jul 18 02:36 |
| phanes | we dont want to make any assertions on whether appelbaum did bad things but do want to highlight false reporting in it to potentially identify serial defamers in other issues | Jul 18 02:36 |
| phanes | by the way did you know matthew garrett was close to that situation? | Jul 18 02:36 |
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| matey | he comes up a lot during these conversations | Jul 18 02:36 |
| matey | ive stopped keeping track | Jul 18 02:36 |
| phanes | yeah i wonder why | Jul 18 02:36 |
| phanes | its almost like | Jul 18 02:36 |
| phanes | there's a consistent pattern of something somewhere | Jul 18 02:37 |
| matey | you should read pattersons VERY LONG article | Jul 18 02:37 |
| phanes | mjg59_: what was your involvement in the appelbaum thing again? i think we've talked about it before | Jul 18 02:37 |
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| matey | i dont think shes in favour of wrongfully accusing anyone | Jul 18 02:37 |
| matey | mistakenly accusing someone is another matter | Jul 18 02:37 |
| phanes | matey: do you have a link to patterson's article on it | Jul 18 02:37 |
| matey | i think she has a stallman-like integrity. but anyone can be mistaken. | Jul 18 02:37 |
| matey | i will find you one | Jul 18 02:38 |
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| britney | phanes, Jacob Appelbaum? | Jul 18 02:38 |
| matey | very long. but one of my favourite articles | Jul 18 02:39 |
| matey | https://medium.com/@maradydd/when-nerds-collide-31895b01e68c | Jul 18 02:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-When Nerds Collide. My intersectionality will have weirdoes… | by Meredith L. Patterson | Medium | Jul 18 02:39 | |
| matey | i dont think shes a cancel culture figure | Jul 18 02:39 |
| matey | i could be wrong too | Jul 18 02:39 |
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| phanes | britney: yes jacob appelbaum | Jul 18 02:40 |
| matey | havent read this http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6642&cpage=1 | Jul 18 02:40 |
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| matey | dont even know what its about | Jul 18 02:40 |
| mjg59_ | phanes: Beyond calling a rapist a rapist? Nothing. | Jul 18 02:41 |
| matey | https://techcrunch.com/2016/03/05/how-we-may-mesh/ I am reminded of Meredith Patterson's classic piece "When Nerds Collide: My intersectionality will have weirdos or it will be bullshit." I'll give her the last words here: Having a community they... | Jul 18 02:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-On the war between hacker culture and codes of conduct – TechCrunch | Jul 18 02:41 | |
| phanes | matey: my impression of patterson is "highly neurodivergent, was exploited for narrative building" but i dont have the facts yet and am still learning about it | Jul 18 02:41 |
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| matey | then i think we concur, until we have more information | Jul 18 02:41 |
| phanes | mjg59_: no, no, no, im talking about a conversation about inviting victims to come forward anonymously | Jul 18 02:42 |
| phanes | didn't you personally talk to some of the victims and push the whole thing along? | Jul 18 02:42 |
| phanes | i may have mixed two separate conversations in my memory | Jul 18 02:43 |
| mjg59_ | phanes: No? | Jul 18 02:45 |
| phanes | didn't somebody confide in you and you encouraged them to organize or somehow facilitated a medium or something, i could swear you had, i'd have to check my logs | Jul 18 02:45 |
| mjg59_ | I'd recommend you not swear I did, because you're wrong | Jul 18 02:46 |
| phanes | i give zero shits what you recommend | Jul 18 02:46 |
| matey | didn't you personally talk to some of the victims and push the whole thing along? <- wait, i think i know what hes referring to | Jul 18 02:47 |
| phanes | anyway, ill have to go log surfing on my old znc host and see if i can find what im trying to remember, it may have not even been you | Jul 18 02:47 |
| matey | mjg i swear you told me you personally knew SOME of the victims in [some other rape victim story than this] and told me you talked to them | Jul 18 02:47 |
| matey | fuck if i know which one it was though | Jul 18 02:47 |
| matey | does that sound right? | Jul 18 02:48 |
| mjg59_ | matey: Oh, I know several of Jake's victims - but I only talked to them after these events | Jul 18 02:48 |
| matey | thats gotta be it | Jul 18 02:48 |
| mjg59_ | And after everything was publicised | Jul 18 02:48 |
| phanes | yeah for some reason that's not syncing right in my memory | Jul 18 02:48 |
| matey | yeah | Jul 18 02:48 |
| phanes | in terms of timing | Jul 18 02:48 |
| phanes | ill have to validate in my old logs | Jul 18 02:48 |
| mjg59_ | Dunno sounds like you're defaming me here | Jul 18 02:48 |
| phanes | it doesn't to me, and im the one with credibility | Jul 18 02:49 |
| phanes | you have none | Jul 18 02:49 |
| mjg59_ | Says the guy who adopted a woman's identity to abuse people on the internet | Jul 18 02:50 |
| phanes | you actually have negative credibility on things like this after last week | Jul 18 02:50 |
| phanes | mjg59_: are you referring to this incident? https://www.abuseonline.org/database/Garrett,%20Matthew/2021-05-25/ | Jul 18 02:50 |
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| phanes | see that's why you have credibility problems. you use false light to wordsmith and its not doing you any favors | Jul 18 02:51 |
| phanes | a statement designed to cast a false impression | Jul 18 02:51 |
| phanes | it'll never work on me | Jul 18 02:51 |
| phanes | and the sad part is | Jul 18 02:52 |
| phanes | i think that may be all you have | Jul 18 02:52 |
| phanes | in terms of executive capability | Jul 18 02:52 |
| phanes | like | Jul 18 02:52 |
| phanes | is there any part of your life that wasn't built on tearing someone down with statements crafted for that purpose? | Jul 18 02:52 |
| phanes | i mean | Jul 18 02:52 |
| phanes | look at me | Jul 18 02:52 |
| phanes | i dont do that | Jul 18 02:53 |
| mjg59_ | I mean, that's not how I got any of my jobs | Jul 18 02:53 |
| phanes | i worked hard for all of my stuff | Jul 18 02:53 |
| phanes | not as high profile, admittedly, but its all rock solid earned | Jul 18 02:53 |
| mjg59_ | And I'm pretty sure that people don't date me based on me having said mean things to other people on the internet | Jul 18 02:53 |
| mjg59_ | And my hobbies don't involve any of this | Jul 18 02:53 |
| mjg59_ | So yeah | Jul 18 02:53 |
| mjg59_ | Pretty sure | Jul 18 02:53 |
| phanes | so about that | Jul 18 02:54 |
| phanes | have you dated anyone close to the peter todd accusations | Jul 18 02:54 |
| mjg59_ | I'm engaged to the person he sued? | Jul 18 02:55 |
| phanes | oh he sued her? why? | Jul 18 02:56 |
| mjg59_ | Sorry, who are you talking about? | Jul 18 02:56 |
| phanes | im not sure im tracking you right-- you dated someone that peter todd sued in the context of rape allegations against him? | Jul 18 02:56 |
| mjg59_ | Yes | Jul 18 02:56 |
| phanes | oh wow | Jul 18 02:56 |
| phanes | what a coincidence, who was that? | Jul 18 02:56 |
| mjg59_ | How many people has he sued? | Jul 18 02:56 |
| mjg59_ | I'm sure you're aware that the outcome of the case was that calling him a rapist was legitimate protected speach | Jul 18 02:57 |
| phanes | only one that submitted a third party affadavid for a jane doe to avoid perjury liability and then used anti-slapp loopholes to avoid merit contests | Jul 18 02:57 |
| phanes | *affadavit | Jul 18 02:57 |
| mjg59_ | "anti-slapp loopholes"? | Jul 18 02:58 |
| mjg59_ | I'm not sure that following the law is a loophole | Jul 18 02:58 |
| mjg59_ | Anti-slapp provisions don't alter whether anything is defamatory or not, they just allow cases to be thrown out if it's clear that the plaintiff won't win | Jul 18 02:58 |
| phanes | exactly | Jul 18 02:58 |
| phanes | so | Jul 18 02:59 |
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| phanes | there was no court filing that it was protected speech there, it was thrown out over anti-slapp precedents | Jul 18 02:59 |
| phanes | wouldn't you agree with that? | Jul 18 02:59 |
| mjg59_ | Right, because it was protected speech | Jul 18 02:59 |
| mjg59_ | The point of anti-slapp statutes is to ensure that protected speech can't be silenced using the legal system | Jul 18 03:00 |
| phanes | i find it laughable that you think calling someone a rapist is protected speech | Jul 18 03:00 |
| mjg59_ | It's literally protected speech? | Jul 18 03:00 |
| phanes | when it's true | Jul 18 03:00 |
| phanes | im aware of what the intent of anti-slapp is | Jul 18 03:00 |
| mjg59_ | And there's sworn testimony that Todd raped someone | Jul 18 03:00 |
| phanes | and it is not to provide blanket immunity for defamation | Jul 18 03:01 |
| phanes | funny things happen in courtroom outcomes sometimes, i'm not familiar with the details of the case admittedly, i just know that the material accusation was never brough to contest and that the case was thrown out over some very technical precedents that probably would have been overturned in an appeal | Jul 18 03:02 |
| phanes | is there sworn testimony of that? I'd like to read it | Jul 18 03:02 |
| phanes | testimony that wasn't anonymously submitted by a third party i mean | Jul 18 03:03 |
| mjg59_ | I literally pointed you at it earlier? | Jul 18 03:03 |
| mjg59_ | It was not anonymously submitted | Jul 18 03:03 |
| mjg59_ | The witness's identity was sealed | Jul 18 03:03 |
| matey | /me wonders what todd did that makes him important enough to take down with false rape accusations (please note i am not implying validity or lack thereof regarding such accusations, as im completely unfamiliar with peter todd) | Jul 18 03:03 |
| mjg59_ | The court is aware of who was testifying | Jul 18 03:03 |
| mjg59_ | As was Todd | Jul 18 03:03 |
| mjg59_ | If the assertion that Todd was a rapist was not protected speech then his claim regarding him being referred to as a rapist would not have been thrown out | Jul 18 03:04 |
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| phanes | sounds pretty technical | Jul 18 03:05 |
| matey | ah, bitcoin | Jul 18 03:05 |
| phanes | i disagree with the concept of anti-slapp measures but appreciate their sentiment. to avoid challenging the merits of a case | Jul 18 03:06 |
| phanes | i mean | Jul 18 03:06 |
| phanes | it just feels like a circumvention of justice | Jul 18 03:06 |
| phanes | a shield for the innocent certainly | Jul 18 03:07 |
| phanes | a shield for the guilty as well | Jul 18 03:07 |
| matey | Todd is suing a security researcher named Isis Lovecruft for defamation after Lovecruft publicly accused Todd of rape and harassment in a series of tweets. Lovecruft was also pivotal in the claims against Appelbaum. As Todd pushes to question her credibility, Appelbaum has become a source for testimony in the case. | Jul 18 03:09 |
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| matey | source: https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/2/20895270/jacob-appelbaum-peter-todd-rape-allegations-defamation-bitcoin-tor | Jul 18 03:09 |
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| phanes | apparently the defendant in this case had a dispute over Zcash with Todd right before the accusations | Jul 18 03:09 |
| matey | so theres actually a very substantial connection between todd and appelbaum | Jul 18 03:09 |
| phanes | yeah i need to read all of this a little closer soon | Jul 18 03:10 |
| matey | its news to me | Jul 18 03:10 |
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| matey | i dont think ive ever heard of peter todd before today (at least i dont recognise the name) | Jul 18 03:10 |
| matey | i ignore cryptocurrency mostly. | Jul 18 03:10 |
| matey | and bitcoin i ignore entirely | Jul 18 03:10 |
| phanes | most of these are new names to me as well | Jul 18 03:10 |
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| phanes | im not even sure what sarah was even notable for, wasn't she on the tor project or something | Jul 18 03:11 |
| phanes | maybe something in algo | Jul 18 03:13 |
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| phanes | i think he may be telling the truth about the witness being identified to the court and having their name sealed from the public record | Jul 18 03:17 |
| matey | i disagree with the concept of anti-slapp measures but appreciate their sentiment. <- without them, microsoft could just sue any person that said something they didnt like | Jul 18 03:17 |
| matey | and the person would have to fight it, at great expense | Jul 18 03:18 |
| matey | and techrights would not exist | Jul 18 03:18 |
| matey | techrights would DEFINITELY not exist | Jul 18 03:18 |
| phanes | matey: oh for org->person contests, yeah, totally get it, but for person->person contests, i think the merits of the case being tried is a pivotal concept of why we even have courts and that removing that with anti-slapp makes the court system more useless | Jul 18 03:18 |
| matey | i can appreciate the distinction | Jul 18 03:19 |
| matey | though if i say ballmer did x at microsoft... | Jul 18 03:19 |
| matey | hes one of the ten richest people on earth | Jul 18 03:19 |
| phanes | if its a person suing a person, a judge needs to settle the issue on the merits of the case and thats why we use courts in a civilization instead of frontier justice | Jul 18 03:19 |
| matey | and thats why we use courts in a civilization instead of frontier justice <- you must have seen a bunch of lawyers working for the common good that i didnt know existed | Jul 18 03:20 |
| phanes | most lawyers i know are incredible human beings with unquestionable integrity, who i would trust my life with | Jul 18 03:20 |
| matey | i dont think anti-slapp prevents legitimate cases from being heard | Jul 18 03:21 |
| matey | it i think it prevents bogus cases from being weaponised | Jul 18 03:21 |
| matey | (some of them) | Jul 18 03:21 |
| matey | bullshit patents are still filed and weaponised, but alice limits what they can do | Jul 18 03:22 |
| matey | antislapp laws are like the defamation version of alice (imo) | Jul 18 03:22 |
| matey | in this context i can see how you would be against them | Jul 18 03:23 |
| matey | and tbh i havent seen them in this context before | Jul 18 03:23 |
| phanes | ive also met a couple lawyers who were turds of human beings, to append my earlier statement | Jul 18 03:24 |
| matey | so my overall impression of them as an overall good is unscathed-- for now | Jul 18 03:24 |
| mjg59_ | The point of anti-slapp is to allow defamation cases that stand no chance of prevailing to be thrown out before there's a hugely expensive trial | Jul 18 03:24 |
| matey | right | Jul 18 03:24 |
| mjg59_ | The accusations are considered in court | Jul 18 03:24 |
| mjg59_ | It doesn't bypass the court | Jul 18 03:24 |
| phanes | that's the intent anyway | Jul 18 03:24 |
| phanes | it does, it removes a contest of material facts of the case | Jul 18 03:24 |
| phanes | tangent point, we dont have to agree on it | Jul 18 03:24 |
| matey | wouldnt defamation materials be included in the argument itself | Jul 18 03:25 |
| matey | this isnt a murder trial with dna samples | Jul 18 03:25 |
| phanes | mjg59_: who was the owner of the appelbaum website btw? | Jul 18 03:26 |
| AdmFubar | this must make RMS go, WTF? https://torrentfreak.com/research-suggests-that-software-piracy-lowers-poverty-220717/ | Jul 18 03:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Research Suggests That Software Piracy Lowers Poverty * TorrentFreak | Jul 18 03:27 | |
| matey | A former not-for-profit which supported women in open technology and culture through events, codes of conduct, and ally skills training | Jul 18 03:27 |
| matey | is there a postmortem on the ada initiative? | Jul 18 03:27 |
| phanes | matey: i dont have one but would like the bookmark, i need to do some social nodal analysis on this forming cluster of movers as they all seem to have strong associations and low betweenness centrality | Jul 18 03:28 |
| matey | The Ada Initiative was a non-profit organization that sought to increase women's participation in the free culture movement, open source technology and open culture. The organization was founded in 2011 by Linux kernel developer and open source advocate Valerie Aurora and open source developer and advocate Mary Gardiner | Jul 18 03:28 |
| matey | thats wikipedia | Jul 18 03:29 |
| matey | the previous quote was from the ada initiative homepage (still online) | Jul 18 03:29 |
| phanes | yeah i would avoid wikipedia for finding incriminating details as they are super biased | Jul 18 03:29 |
| phanes | especially with this kind of thing and these specific people | Jul 18 03:29 |
| matey | thats not what im using them fore | Jul 18 03:29 |
| matey | According to the announcement, the Initiative's executive leadership decided to step down, and the organization was unable to find acceptable replacement leaders. | Jul 18 03:30 |
| matey | i take biases into account | Jul 18 03:30 |
| matey | columbo didnt only talk to people he trusted | Jul 18 03:30 |
| matey | he talked to people who were frequently lying about not killing someone | Jul 18 03:30 |
| matey | some of the best clues are from people who are utterly full of shit | Jul 18 03:30 |
| phanes | lol | Jul 18 03:30 |
| matey | so wikipedia is a goldmine | Jul 18 03:31 |
| matey | either way | Jul 18 03:31 |
| phanes | mjg59_: what was your dissertation on? | Jul 18 03:32 |
| matey | The Ada Initiative was governed by a seven-person board of directors, who oversaw its management. The board included co-founder Mary Gardiner, Sue Gardner, Amelia Greenhall, Rachel Chalmers, Alicia Gibb, Andrea Horbinski and Marina Zhurakhinskaya. | Jul 18 03:33 |
| matey | (of these, only chalmers signed the anti-rms list) | Jul 18 03:33 |
| matey | understanding free software history is one of the few keys to its future | Jul 18 03:34 |
| matey | and this is a very key event | Jul 18 03:34 |
| matey | its hardly the only important thing going on | Jul 18 03:34 |
| matey | the rebuilding is at least as important | Jul 18 03:34 |
| phanes | id really like to see if there's any validation to eric's claims there | Jul 18 03:34 |
| matey | eric who/where | Jul 18 03:35 |
| phanes | eric raymond | Jul 18 03:35 |
| phanes | esr | Jul 18 03:35 |
| matey | oh, i dont much much stock in him | Jul 18 03:35 |
| matey | what claim? | Jul 18 03:35 |
| phanes | he was very credible at one point | Jul 18 03:35 |
| matey | maybe | Jul 18 03:35 |
| matey | but what claim? | Jul 18 03:36 |
| phanes | he reported very loudly around i think 2016 or so about Ada Initiative staff engaging in honeypot operations trying to entrap key f/oss figures | Jul 18 03:36 |
| matey | oh that | Jul 18 03:36 |
| matey | i wouldnt be surprised if that sort of thing happens | Jul 18 03:37 |
| phanes | i dont know him to make things up | Jul 18 03:37 |
| phanes | if he says that it means at least that he believes it | Jul 18 03:37 |
| matey | as to whether the ada initiative had anything to do with it, i dont know much about them | Jul 18 03:37 |
| matey | i consider his beliefs to be muddled and self-serving | Jul 18 03:37 |
| matey | with that said, its a story / claim im interested in | Jul 18 03:37 |
| matey | regardless of who it comes from | Jul 18 03:38 |
| matey | does anyone other than esr know anything about it? | Jul 18 03:38 |
| matey | or is he the sole whistleblower? | Jul 18 03:39 |
| phanes | i dont know | Jul 18 03:39 |
| matey | i find the attacks on torvalds in particular to be very plausible | Jul 18 03:39 |
| matey | i dont like torvalds at all, but it wasnt about torvalds (and its not about stallman) | Jul 18 03:39 |
| phanes | there's a trillion reasons a year to target tarvolds | Jul 18 03:40 |
| matey | stallman was attacked to hobble the entire movement | Jul 18 03:40 |
| phanes | yeah that shit was transparent | Jul 18 03:40 |
| matey | there's a trillion reasons a year to target tarvolds <- nah, hes just a dick | Jul 18 03:40 |
| phanes | he is a dick | Jul 18 03:40 |
| matey | torvalds was attacked to replace tso with gkh | Jul 18 03:40 |
| matey | or maybe not-- but thats been my opinion for years | Jul 18 03:41 |
| phanes | if you gathered the mightiest dicks for a dickiest dick competition he'd get a medal | Jul 18 03:41 |
| matey | he would be a runner up | Jul 18 03:41 |
| matey | gkh is a bigger dick | Jul 18 03:41 |
| phanes | yeah like maybe 4th | Jul 18 03:41 |
| matey | so is jim zemlin | Jul 18 03:41 |
| matey | maybe even esr but i think esr is just nuts (first) dick (second) | Jul 18 03:41 |
| phanes | what i appreciate about tarvolds dickishness is how nonprejudiced its application is | Jul 18 03:41 |
| matey | nuts as in crazy, despite its proximity to dick in a line of text | Jul 18 03:41 |
| matey | yeah torvalds had some level of fairness to his dickishness | Jul 18 03:42 |
| phanes | im not sure | Jul 18 03:42 |
| matey | i didnt start calling him a dick until his dickishness became one-sided | Jul 18 03:42 |
| matey | im not sure either | Jul 18 03:42 |
| phanes | eric is a serious bastard | Jul 18 03:42 |
| phanes | but i dont think he's crazy or a liar | Jul 18 03:42 |
| matey | i think he wants to be seen as that | Jul 18 03:43 |
| phanes | angry for sure | Jul 18 03:43 |
| matey | i dont know if he lies per se | Jul 18 03:43 |
| phanes | that dude could cook dinner with his anger | Jul 18 03:43 |
| matey | https://www.abuseonline.org/database/secondary-actors/Patterson,%20Meredith/start_notes.md <- SUPER interesting | Jul 18 03:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.abuseonline.org | | Jul 18 03:47 | |
| matey | while i know enough people that think applebaum is guilty, too many to rule out the plausibility | Jul 18 03:48 |
| matey | i consider that hes high profile and someone that corporations might want to take down | Jul 18 03:48 |
| matey | someone breaking up a consensual makeout session because of the look on someones face is practically (non-sexual) assault | Jul 18 03:49 |
| matey | if not literally | Jul 18 03:49 |
| mjg59_ | phanes: I have no idea who ran the website, I wasn't involved | Jul 18 03:49 |
| mjg59_ | phanes: "Comparative genomic analysis as a tool for locating novel functional elements in D. melanogaster" | Jul 18 03:50 |
| matey | i dont assume this has any bearing on the whole of the appelbaum situation | Jul 18 03:50 |
| matey | rather its the most interesting facet of it ive seen | Jul 18 03:50 |
| matey | by interesting i mean intriguing, unusual | Jul 18 03:50 |
| matey | So I watched this for about two to three minutes and then I decide to go and do something and just mount a very very subtle intervention. Which is, I go over, I shake Jake’s hand I tell him what a great job he’s doing with the Tor project <- breaking up an intense makeout session isnt TOO subtle | Jul 18 03:52 |
| matey | even if i had hardcore fans id expect them not to interrupt something like that to shake my hand | Jul 18 03:52 |
| matey | I recall Tan approaching me, asking me if Jacob was harassing me. I said he wasn’t. Nevertheless, Tan dragged me away and immediately started talking intensely to Jake. At that point I decided to leave, since my friend was waiting for me. | Jul 18 03:54 |
| matey | given the sheer number of stories about this | Jul 18 03:54 |
| matey | i can easily see how this wouldnt do anything to prove his innocence or cast doubt on guilt | Jul 18 03:55 |
| DaemonFC | The whole country is falling apart while Brandon argues in court over transgender bathroom laws. | Jul 18 03:55 |
| matey | but it might prove how zealous some people are to police the (consensual) actions of others | Jul 18 03:55 |
| DaemonFC | The Democrats are going to get a total wipeout this year. | Jul 18 03:55 |
| matey | And the other males who we were with were basically just kind of joking amongst themselves and don’t really seem to see anything wrong with it, which is really quite distressing <- yeah well | Jul 18 03:56 |
| matey | they hadnt spent the past three minutes watching two people make out | Jul 18 03:56 |
| DaemonFC | People see this shit going on and it becomes 100% obvious that we've got a president that doesn't give a fuck about them and wouldn't know how to fix any of these problems even if he did. | Jul 18 03:56 |
| matey | so why would they be distressed? | Jul 18 03:56 |
| matey | it was so obvious that this was an assault in progress that everyone should just be like OMG, WTF | Jul 18 03:57 |
| matey | and then maybe forcibly pull him away like andy dick by talk show security (which probably was justified) | Jul 18 03:58 |
| DaemonFC | https://wgntv.com/news/national/ap-us-news/2-killed-in-shooting-at-indiana-mall-many-hurt-police-say/ | Jul 18 03:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wgntv.com | Chief: 3 dead in Indiana mall shooting; witness kills gunman | WGN-TV | Jul 18 03:59 | |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▄▅▅▆▆▅▅▆▃▅▄▅▅▆▆▄▆▆▆▆▆▅▆▅▆▇▄▅▆▆▃▄▅▆▁ avg(k/sec) 27.71 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▁▂▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▂▂▁▂▂▂▂▂▂▁▂▁▂▁▁▂▁▁▁▁▂▁ avg(k/sec) 19.55▕ swarm size (avg): 290.90 ⟲ | Jul 18 03:59 |
| matey | andy dicks boundaries are so bad they probably shouldnt let him on a set without an electric shock belt or something | Jul 18 03:59 |
| DaemonFC | An armed citizen shot and killed the gunman before he could kill more people. | Jul 18 03:59 |
| matey | "you guys be VERY NICE to my GOOD FRIEND andy dick"-- snoop letting his bodyguards know that andy dick wasnt welcome to bother him further | Jul 18 03:59 |
| matey | (which probably was justified) <- this is generous, i think he was rubbing the leg of the daughter of the president or something | Jul 18 04:00 |
| matey | i dont think they planned this, but who knows | Jul 18 04:01 |
| matey | note this was written in 2014 https://techcrunch.com/2014/07/12/the-great-fragmentation-we-are-all-weirdos-now/ | Jul 18 04:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Great Fragmentation: We Are All Weirdos Now – TechCrunch | Jul 18 04:05 | |
| matey | in the short term, way too optimistic | Jul 18 04:05 |
| matey | in the long term, who knows | Jul 18 04:05 |
| matey | Everyone always talks about that kind of polarization in terms of left-wing vs. right-wing politics, loss of civility, doom of society, etc etc etc. But a far more interesting corollary, if you ask me, is this: all those quirky little Internet subcommunities and subreddits to which people increasingly belong? The polarization effect means that they will just keep getting quirkier and more idiosyncratic. | Jul 18 04:06 |
| matey | ^ i agree | Jul 18 04:06 |
| matey | …In other words, as a direct result of technology, our entire society will, slowly but steadily, become weirder and more fragmented. | Jul 18 04:06 |
| matey | ^ this has maybe already happened | Jul 18 04:06 |
| matey | Dismayed? Don’t be. This is excellent news. | Jul 18 04:06 |
| matey | ^ he could be way off | Jul 18 04:06 |
| matey | another possibility is this destroys society for good | Jul 18 04:07 |
| matey | it probably wont, but i wouldnt be too optimistic, too soon | Jul 18 04:07 |
| matey | for the short term, i dont think society is too coherent | Jul 18 04:07 |
| DaemonFC | https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-police-officer-suicide-hotline-officers-commit-prevention/12057763/?ex_cid=TA_WLS_FB&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+New+Content+%28Feed%29&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook | Jul 18 04:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-abc7chicago.com | Chicago police officer suicide: 3rd cop dies from self-inflicted gunshot wound in wave of suicides within CPD - ABC7 Chicago | Jul 18 04:07 | |
| DaemonFC | Three in a month this month. | Jul 18 04:07 |
| matey | even friends seem... less like friends | Jul 18 04:07 |
| matey | there are exceptions to this, just fewer of them than before | Jul 18 04:08 |
| matey | if everyone is at war with everyone over everything, that just means weve engineered a planet of narcissistic tyrants | Jul 18 04:09 |
| matey | though i consider this more of a hazard than a conclusion | Jul 18 04:09 |
| matey | Given a choice between | Jul 18 04:10 |
| matey | the de facto cultural tyranny of a genuine mainstream majority | Jul 18 04:10 |
| matey | a society in which people accept that, for any given context, its “mainstream” will be a plurality rather than a majority, and adjust their behavior and expectation accordingly | Jul 18 04:10 |
| matey | those arent the only choices | Jul 18 04:10 |
| matey | how about a countless number of little petty tyrannies? | Jul 18 04:10 |
| matey | why is he not considering that possibility (thats what most of the internet and all of twitter seems like now) | Jul 18 04:10 |
| matey | note im not saying lets go back to de facto cultural tyranny | Jul 18 04:12 |
| matey | i always found that boring, and its still boring | Jul 18 04:12 |
| matey | but countless petty tyrannies isnt interesting, just annoying | Jul 18 04:12 |
| matey | mosquitoes buzzing in your ear and having to swat them constantly isnt "interesting" | Jul 18 04:12 |
| matey | at least not to me | Jul 18 04:12 |
| matey | i did like the title though | Jul 18 04:13 |
| matey | https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/todd-rokita-child-rape-abortion-case-1383138/ | Jul 18 04:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rollingstone.com | Conservatives Respond to Child Rape Arrest by Vilifying Doctors - Rolling Stone | Jul 18 04:19 | |
| matey | insane country is insane | Jul 18 04:19 |
| matey | she only had to travel to indiana because ohio made it too difficult for a raped 10 year old to get abortion there. | Jul 18 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/w1djky/the_uk_is_about_to_see_the_highest_ever_recorded/ | Jul 18 04:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | The UK is about to see the highest ever recorded temperatures and 'Don't Look Up' is essentially playing out in the media : LateStageCapitalism | Jul 18 04:20 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz[TR2]'s country and global warming denial. | Jul 18 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | It's nice to see they basically have their own Fox News thing going on. | Jul 18 04:22 |
| DaemonFC | "But what about that hot summer in 1976?" | Jul 18 04:22 |
| DaemonFC | He's over there talking about thousands of people in the UK dying of excess heat and she's over there grinning like a moron and playing pop music so you can't even hear the guy talk. | Jul 18 04:24 |
| phanes | it is absolutely shameful they didn't allow exceptions in those trigger laws | Jul 18 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | <matey> she only had to travel to indiana because ohio made it too difficult for a raped 10 year old to get abortion there. | Jul 18 04:29 |
| phanes | at least for rape, incest, mental/physical health of the mother, deformities | Jul 18 04:29 |
| DaemonFC | And in a couple of weeks, Indiana will ban it too. | Jul 18 04:29 |
| DaemonFC | Then you'll have to make it to Illinois if your uncle rapes you and gets you pregnant and you're 10. | Jul 18 04:29 |
| DaemonFC | Then, the next time the Republicans have full control of the federal government, they'll just ban abortion nationally and you'll have to go to Canada. | Jul 18 04:31 |
| DaemonFC | 3 weeks after saying abortion should be a state and local issue, the Republicans in the House unveiled a bill that would ban abortion everywhere in the country. | Jul 18 04:32 |
| matey | at least | Jul 18 04:32 |
| matey | The agency already has methods for speedily approving new vaccine formulations. After all, it signs off on fresh flu vaccines every year without a top-to-bottom review process, Mokdad pointed out. https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/covid-omicron-ba5-cdc-fda-fail-1383887/ | Jul 18 04:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rollingstone.com | BA.5 Covid-19 Omicron Variant: How FDA, CDC Are Failing Us - Rolling Stone | Jul 18 04:32 | |
| matey | i thought this line was particularly interesting: " it signs off on fresh flu vaccines every year without a top-to-bottom review process" | Jul 18 04:33 |
| DaemonFC | That's because the process for making a new flu vaccine doesn't change much year to year. | Jul 18 04:33 |
| phanes | man | Jul 18 04:34 |
| phanes | why aren't the amish communities wiped out completely by covid | Jul 18 04:34 |
| phanes | they barely took a hit | Jul 18 04:34 |
| matey | another good one https://techcrunch.com/2016/03/05/how-we-may-mesh/ | Jul 18 04:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-On the war between hacker culture and codes of conduct – TechCrunch | Jul 18 04:35 | |
| matey | why aren't the amish communities wiped out completely by covid <- interesting question | Jul 18 04:35 |
| phanes | theyre asa antivax as it gets | Jul 18 04:35 |
| phanes | *they're as antivax as it gets | Jul 18 04:36 |
| matey | https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-amish-idUSL2N2NZ1TY | Jul 18 04:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fact Check-Amish communities have been affected by the COVID-19 pandemic | Reuters | Jul 18 04:37 | |
| matey | we are talking about something that kills what, about 1% if that? | Jul 18 04:37 |
| phanes | i assume they're all like "oh, jebediah passed on at 104 the other day an he had covid" and the news is like "GLOBAL DEATHS IN AMISH COMMUNITY UP 125%" | Jul 18 04:38 |
| phanes | those people are so healthy its stupid | Jul 18 04:38 |
| matey | there are about 350,000 amish, i guess | Jul 18 04:39 |
| matey | so if it killed 1% of them-- which is an alarmist estimate i believe | Jul 18 04:39 |
| matey | that would be 3500 out of 350000 | Jul 18 04:39 |
| phanes | theyre also starting to report herd immunity | Jul 18 04:41 |
| matey | they also believe in jesus | Jul 18 04:41 |
| matey | which is fine with me, but its not terribly scientific | Jul 18 04:41 |
| phanes | i'd consider an amish life if it wasn't so much damned hard work | Jul 18 04:41 |
| matey | the damned hard work is the point | Jul 18 04:42 |
| matey | youre expected to be modest in everything | Jul 18 04:42 |
| phanes | sure i'd live 30 years longer but i'd spend that 30 years building barns in the hot frickin' sun with no a/c | Jul 18 04:42 |
| matey | you think amish live 30 years longer? | Jul 18 04:42 |
| phanes | they dont by trend | Jul 18 04:43 |
| phanes | i smoke a pack a day and eat trans fats yo | Jul 18 04:44 |
| matey | who is what | Jul 18 04:44 |
| matey | stackexchange? | Jul 18 04:44 |
| matey | The current life expectancy of members of the Old Order Amish community is about 72 years, nearly the same as the life expectancy of the average American. Nearly, that is, except for two significant differences. First, among the Amish, the 72-year life expectancy is for men and women, while in the general population women tend to outlive men by about seven years. | Jul 18 04:45 |
| matey | Second, the Amish have had a 72-year life expectancy not only for the past few decades, as have most Americans, but for the last 300 yearssince they settled in the United States in the 1700s, when most people living in America were dying in their 40s. | Jul 18 04:45 |
| matey | i dont think you know me, we did talk about a year or so ago | Jul 18 04:45 |
| matey | briefly, and i dont know what handle i used at the time | Jul 18 04:45 |
| DaemonFC | https://twitter.com/CryptoParadyme/status/1547088449022222336?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1547088449022222336%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theverge.com%2F2022%2F7%2F14%2F23216415%2Fsouth-park-crypto-paramount-plus-streaming-wars-part-2 | Jul 18 04:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CryptoParadyme: New South Park movie aired tonight. They made fun of Matt Damon selling out for Crypto and uh well https://t.co/FTIXSbRRbL | Jul 18 04:46 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CryptoParadyme: New South Park movie aired tonight. They made fun of Matt Damon selling out for Crypto and uh well https://t.co/FTIXSbRRbL | Jul 18 04:46 | |
| AdmFubar | some amish/Mennonites have more modern conveniences. just depends what subgroups you are in | Jul 18 04:47 |
| phanes | i just dont want to do manual labor | Jul 18 04:47 |
| matey | im fine with manual labour | Jul 18 04:47 |
| matey | but not in the quantities the amish do it :) | Jul 18 04:47 |
| AdmFubar | just be one of the clergy then | Jul 18 04:47 |
| phanes | i also dont want to get treated weird every time my beard gets itchy and i trim it | Jul 18 04:47 |
| AdmFubar | >^_^< | Jul 18 04:48 |
| phanes | i also couldn't give up | Jul 18 04:48 |
| phanes | fraternization | Jul 18 04:48 |
| matey | different sects have different expectations | Jul 18 04:48 |
| matey | fraternization <- hey yeah | Jul 18 04:48 |
| matey | so dont become amish, mormon, jw... | Jul 18 04:48 |
| AdmFubar | personally I'd avoid the inbreeding.... | Jul 18 04:48 |
| matey | obviously catholic is fine :) | Jul 18 04:49 |
| phanes | eh | Jul 18 04:49 |
| matey | they fraternise so much its a wonder theres any left for the rest of us | Jul 18 04:49 |
| phanes | depends on what youre willing to put up with and what kind of catholic | Jul 18 04:49 |
| matey | doesnt it though | Jul 18 04:49 |
| phanes | mexican catholic, you bet | Jul 18 04:49 |
| phanes | id wife up | Jul 18 04:50 |
| matey | for someone who likes air conditioning you keep running away from it | Jul 18 04:50 |
| matey | no i figure they must have it or theyd all be dead by now | Jul 18 04:50 |
| phanes | lol | Jul 18 04:51 |
| matey | I was on a tour that visited an Amish community a few years back. They had a wood-furniture-making business. In addition to the Amish, there was one non-Amish man working there, so there was his one car parked outside. They remarked that this was convenient in case they had to rush someone to the hospital. | Jul 18 04:52 |
| matey | using a car is fine | Jul 18 04:52 |
| matey | owning one is immodest | Jul 18 04:52 |
| matey | thats the difference | Jul 18 04:52 |
| AdmFubar | some own cars | Jul 18 04:54 |
| AdmFubar | it is really weird seeing them with cell phones | Jul 18 04:54 |
| phanes | man i am really not looking forward to all the distracting drama that guy is going to cause dropping what he thinks is a nuke, that does absolutely nothing to further his cause and hardens my resolve leaving me perfectly fine | Jul 18 04:54 |
| phanes | they all do this same pattern | Jul 18 04:55 |
| AdmFubar | and then there are the teenagers with the high powered stereos in their buggies | Jul 18 04:55 |
| phanes | and it will end with him careening in a bitter rage saying anything he thinks sounds cool to try to cover it up for the rest of his life instead of just being a grownup for an hour one saturday and all of us moving on | Jul 18 04:56 |
| matey | i missed the line before that one | Jul 18 04:56 |
| matey | it will show up in five minutes if you dont care to repeat it | Jul 18 04:56 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▆▆▆▄▅▆▅▅▆▅▅▇▄▅█▅▅▆▆▅▅▆▅▁▂▅▇▇▅▄▄▅▅▃▅▅▁ avg(k/sec) 30.35 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▂▁▁▁▁▁▂▁▂▁▁▂▁▁▂▁▂▂▂▂▂▂▁▂█▁▁▁▂▁▁▂▁▁▂▁▂▁ avg(k/sec) 27.00▕ swarm size (avg): 314.40 ⟲ | Jul 18 04:59 |
| phanes | i love amish made food and furniture | Jul 18 04:59 |
| phanes | expensive though | Jul 18 04:59 |
| matey | havent had amish food | Jul 18 04:59 |
| phanes | like 25k for an exec desk | Jul 18 04:59 |
| matey | their furniture is impressive | Jul 18 04:59 |
| phanes | solid too | Jul 18 04:59 |
| matey | but what do you expect from people that can put up a barn in a day, and it wont be a piece of shit | Jul 18 04:59 |
| phanes | i bought my dog from an amish breeder | Jul 18 05:00 |
| phanes | when he was like 6 weeks old | Jul 18 05:00 |
| matey | can you hire amish people to build you a barn? that seems way more convenient than getting contractors | Jul 18 05:00 |
| matey | you pay all at once and voila, its up | Jul 18 05:01 |
| phanes | prob not affordably | Jul 18 05:01 |
| matey | its not something i considered | Jul 18 05:01 |
| matey | it would be cool to watch though | Jul 18 05:01 |
| phanes | plus i dont think theyd find us particularly hospitable | Jul 18 05:02 |
| phanes | when the men go to work in amish communities for a barn raising the wives put out a table with drinks and make a big meal for everybody | Jul 18 05:02 |
| matey | that sounds reasonable | Jul 18 05:02 |
| matey | expensive, but reasonable | Jul 18 05:03 |
| phanes | when's the last time you laid out an accomodations table for a plumber or handyman | Jul 18 05:03 |
| matey | whens the last time either one put up a whole fucking barn in a single day? | Jul 18 05:03 |
| phanes | theyre big burly dudes too they'll drink gallons of lemonade | Jul 18 05:03 |
| matey | im not saying theyre useless | Jul 18 05:03 |
| phanes | reminds me of tall dwarves | Jul 18 05:04 |
| matey | i get what youre saying | Jul 18 05:04 |
| matey | but if i could afford a barn id look into what it cost to have the amish do it | Jul 18 05:04 |
| matey | and if they expect to be fed, thats not unreasonable | Jul 18 05:04 |
| phanes | if i could afford a farm i'd leave IT and none of you would ever hear my name again | Jul 18 05:04 |
| matey | arent you in ohio? or was that someone else in here | Jul 18 05:05 |
| phanes | yeah im in ohio | Jul 18 05:05 |
| matey | how much does a farm go for? | Jul 18 05:05 |
| phanes | a successful one? about a million | Jul 18 05:05 |
| matey | i can see how you dont have that stored away | Jul 18 05:05 |
| matey | the line came in | Jul 18 05:05 |
| matey | they all do this same pattern | Jul 18 05:05 |
| matey | and it will end with him careening in a bitter rage saying anything he thinks sounds cool to try to cover it up for the rest of his life instead of just being a grownup for an hour one saturday and all of us moving on | Jul 18 05:06 |
| phanes | yeah, that dude | Jul 18 05:06 |
| matey | which one? | Jul 18 05:06 |
| phanes | all ego and no brains | Jul 18 05:06 |
| phanes | garrett | Jul 18 05:06 |
| phanes | he's got some nuclear plan he's working on he thinks i dont know about | Jul 18 05:07 |
| matey | he doesnt seem like the bitter rage type tbh | Jul 18 05:07 |
| phanes | oh, he will | Jul 18 05:07 |
| matey | but maybe he hides it | Jul 18 05:07 |
| phanes | narcissists follow common patterns | Jul 18 05:07 |
| matey | agreed | Jul 18 05:07 |
| phanes | he'll drop his nuke and laugh for a few days while the content integrates his development | Jul 18 05:07 |
| phanes | i'll have a bunch of drama for a bit that will end with me being better off than before he started | Jul 18 05:08 |
| phanes | and then he'll get sulking | Jul 18 05:08 |
| phanes | and that's when the really bizarre accusations will come out | Jul 18 05:08 |
| matey | im looking at this as a group dynamic | Jul 18 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | https://abc7chicago.com/san-francisco-ca-parking-violation-us-army-aerial-view/12057255/ | Jul 18 05:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-abc7chicago.com | Parking violation: US Army aerial view expert helped San Francisco, CA couple park in driveway again after threat of $1.5K fine - ABC7 Chicago | Jul 18 05:08 | |
| DaemonFC | Easier to just sell the place, leave, and move to America. | Jul 18 05:09 |
| matey | there may be exceptions, but there are still rules, as you say | Jul 18 05:09 |
| phanes | he's going to go around to literally anyone he can find who would say something about me and then start socializing the old smears of people just like him that i want to document | Jul 18 05:09 |
| matey | dont take this the wrong way | Jul 18 05:09 |
| DaemonFC | San Francisco is a bunch of artsy fartsy snobs stepping in homeless people poop. | Jul 18 05:09 |
| DaemonFC | That's really all it is. | Jul 18 05:09 |
| matey | have you considered the possibility that youre not important enough to him | Jul 18 05:09 |
| phanes | oh im sure there's an element of discount, positive, 100% | Jul 18 05:10 |
| phanes | nevertheless he'll scan it every day for the next 10 years just like he does this place | Jul 18 05:10 |
| matey | theres a plausible reason why he does that here | Jul 18 05:10 |
| phanes | he thinks he's being treated unfairly because he's not used to being held accountable | Jul 18 05:11 |
| phanes | so he's scanning for that magic nugget he can use for a serotonin boost and "win" | Jul 18 05:11 |
| phanes | as for the tactics, i can't talk about that here because he'll alter his pattern if he knows im predicting him | Jul 18 05:12 |
| matey | he might not | Jul 18 05:13 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-37-WebUI-Install-Preview | Jul 18 05:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fedora 37 Hopes To Have A Preview Of The New Web-Based Install UI - Phoronix | Jul 18 05:13 | |
| DaemonFC | There's nothing wrong with the way Anaconda looks or functions now. | Jul 18 05:13 |
| phanes | web based install ui | Jul 18 05:13 |
| phanes | wtf | Jul 18 05:13 |
| phanes | why would someone use that | Jul 18 05:13 |
| matey | i dunno, who does? | Jul 18 05:13 |
| phanes | netinstall, sure, smaller image | Jul 18 05:14 |
| matey | have you looked at the source code for libre.js? | Jul 18 05:14 |
| phanes | no i avoid js anything almost | Jul 18 05:14 |
| phanes | im waiting for that entire ecosystem to collapse | Jul 18 05:15 |
| DaemonFC | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/BIOSBootISOWithGrub2 | Jul 18 05:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoraproject.org | Changes/BIOSBootISOWithGrub2 - Fedora Project Wiki | Jul 18 05:15 | |
| DaemonFC | syslinux never failed to handle any "legacy" BIOS system I've seen. | Jul 18 05:16 |
| DaemonFC | Not sure why to ditch it now if GRUB2 doesn't always handle such systems properly. | Jul 18 05:16 |
| matey | https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/librejs.git/tree/build.sh | Jul 18 05:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.savannah.gnu.org | build.sh - librejs.git - LibreJS | Jul 18 05:16 | |
| matey | JASMINE_URL="https://github.com/jasmine/jasmine/releases/download/v$JASMINE_VER/jasmine-standalone-$JASMINE_VER.zip" | Jul 18 05:16 |
| matey | curl -L -o "$JASMINE_LIB.zip" "$JASMINE_URL" && unzip -d test/ $JASMINE_LIB.zip lib/** | Jul 18 05:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://github.com/jasmine/jasmine/releases/download/v$JASMINE_VER/jasmine-standalone-$JASMINE_VER.zip ) | Jul 18 05:16 | |
| matey | rm -f "$JASMINE_LIB.zip" | Jul 18 05:16 |
| phanes | they need to maintream a couple grub alternatives | Jul 18 05:16 |
| matey | i think you vastly overestimate the power they have left | Jul 18 05:17 |
| matey | if you mean the fsf or gnu | Jul 18 05:17 |
| DaemonFC | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Drop_i686_JDKs | Jul 18 05:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoraproject.org | Changes/Drop i686 JDKs - Fedora Project Wiki | Jul 18 05:18 | |
| DaemonFC | User experience on multilib systems will be bad. Bad reasonable. | Jul 18 05:18 |
| matey | couldnt they at least mirror jasmine on their local git? rather than trusting microsoft? | Jul 18 05:18 |
| DaemonFC | Bad good. Like bad. | Jul 18 05:18 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, ^ | Jul 18 05:18 |
| DaemonFC | Like bad on Twitter! GRRRRRRRR!!!!! | Jul 18 05:18 |
| matey | especially given what microsoft has done to raspbian | Jul 18 05:18 |
| phanes | i like the pig logo | Jul 18 05:18 |
| phanes | shit im too tired | Jul 18 05:19 |
| phanes | night yall | Jul 18 05:19 |
| matey | o/ | Jul 18 05:21 |
| DaemonFC | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/EncourageI686LeafRemoval | Jul 18 05:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoraproject.org | Changes/EncourageI686LeafRemoval - Fedora Project Wiki | Jul 18 05:23 | |
| DaemonFC | The regional governors now have direct control over their territories. The last remnants of the Republic have been swept away! | Jul 18 05:24 |
| AdmFubar | https://restofworld.org/2022/newsletter-south-asia-india-data-evidence-of-dissent/ | Jul 18 05:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-restofworld.org | In India, your payment data could become evidence of dissent - Rest of World | Jul 18 05:34 | |
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| techrights-ipfs-bot | (ℹ) Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-17.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-18.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi | Jul 18 06:30 |
| techrights-news | #HowTo Install LibreWolf Browser on Linux • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167356 | Jul 18 06:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to Install LibreWolf Browser on Linux | Tux Machines | Jul 18 06:46 | |
| techrights-news | #Techrights Bulletin for Sunday, July 17, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext | Jul 18 06:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives | Jul 18 06:47 | |
| techrights-news | #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing | Jul 18 06:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index | Jul 18 06:47 | |
| techrights-news | One forecast tells me tomorrow it'll be 40 degrees here -- an all-time record AFAIK, but 2 other forecasts/sources do not agree | Jul 18 06:55 |
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| techrights-news | "The US is not ok, and it hasn't been for a long, long time. Given its history, it has never been ok. But this is different. Now it is fracturing, and the seismic disturbances continue a-pace." gemini://the-brannons.com/us-not-ok/ | Jul 18 07:07 |
| techrights-news | [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D295.jpg | Jul 18 07:08 |
| techrights-news | [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D646.jpg | Jul 18 07:08 |
| techrights-news | Unconditional Basic Income gemini://gemini.hitchhiker-linux.org/gemlog/re:_unconditional_basic_income.gmi | Jul 18 07:08 |
| techrights-news | Ocarina of Time Feels Like a New Game gemini://moddedbear.xyz/logs/2022-07-17-ocarina-of-time-feels-like-a-new-game.gmi | Jul 18 07:09 |
| techrights-news | Acceptable gemini://josias.dev/notion/acceptable.gmi | Jul 18 07:09 |
| techrights-news | Keyboarding Education gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1080 | Jul 18 07:10 |
| techrights-news | "I installed FreshRSS last night (it wasn't entirely straightforward for someone who hasn't dealt with php installs in ages) and I gotta say it already blows Feedly out of the water." gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-07-18-self-hosting-feed-reader.gmi | Jul 18 07:11 |
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| techrights-news | Apple 5G device sales blocked in Colombia due to patent issue https://itwire.com/mobility/apple-5g-device-sales-blocked-in-colombia-due-to-patent-issue.html | Jul 18 07:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - Apple 5G device sales blocked in Colombia due to patent issue | Jul 18 07:23 | |
| techrights-news | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167357 | Jul 18 07:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Jul 18 07:25 | |
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| techrights-news | That Time I Helped a Sad Drunkard gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-07-18-that-time-i-helped-a-sad-drunkard.gmi | Jul 18 07:34 |
| techrights-news | "I feel too much, sometimes. Right now my wife and I are both away from home, and while I know our cat is well-cared-for, she misses us and she doesn't know why we're gone. I just wish I could explain it to her." gemini://november.smol.pub/empathy | Jul 18 07:34 |
| techrights-news | "Alexis' ownership of X is based on ongoing mutual informed consent, in the context of Risk-Aware Consensual Kink. Nothing in this Title Deed should be interpreted otherwise." gemini://republic.circumlunar.space/users/flexibeast/gemlog/2022-07-18.gmi | Jul 18 07:35 |
| techrights-news | "Josh and Kurt talk about PyPI mandating two factor authentication for the top 1% of projects. It feels like a simple idea, but it’s not when you start to think about it. What problems does 2FA solve? How common are these attacks?" https://opensourcesecurity.io/2022/07/17/episode-332-pypi-2fa-or-not-2fa-that-is-the-question/ | Jul 18 07:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensourcesecurity.io | Episode 332 – PyPI: 2FA or not 2FA, that is the question – Open Source Security | Jul 18 07:44 | |
| techrights-news | "We try and bust a common Linux distro myth. Then what surprised Chris about his new Steam Deck." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/149267/all-hands-on-deck-linux-unplugged-467/ | Jul 18 07:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jupiterbroadcasting.com | All Hands on Deck | LINUX Unplugged 467 | Jupiter Broadcasting | Jul 18 07:45 | |
| techrights-news | Linus Torvalds says Linux kernel has addressed ‘Retbleed’ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167349#comment-34378 | Jul 18 07:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 5.19-rc7 | Tux Machines | Jul 18 07:47 | |
| techrights-news | Audiocasts/Shows/Videos: LINUX Unplugged, Open Source Security, and GNU World Order • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167358 | Jul 18 07:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts/Shows/Videos: LINUX Unplugged, Open Source Security, and GNU World Order | Tux Machines | Jul 18 07:50 | |
| techrights-news | EasyOS Dunfell-series 4.2.7 released • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167359 | Jul 18 07:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | EasyOS Dunfell-series 4.2.7 released | Tux Machines | Jul 18 07:52 | |
| techrights-news | RISC-V based ICE-V Wireless board includes a Lattice ICE40 UltraPlus FPGA ⚓ https://linuxgizmos.com/risc-v-based-ice-v-wireless-board-includes-a-lattice-ice40-ultraplus-fpga/ ䷉ Source: LinuxGizmos | Hardware | Devices | GNU | Linux | Jul 18 07:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/risc-v-based-ice-v-wireless-board-includes-a-lattice-ice40-ultraplus-fpga/ ) | Jul 18 07:57 | |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/africans-speak-out-against-the-mass-circumcision-campaign-300370353.html | Jul 18 08:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.prnewswire.com | Africans Speak Out Against the Mass Circumcision Campaign | Jul 18 08:01 | |
| DaemonFC | Gate Foundation | Jul 18 08:01 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz[TR2], ^ | Jul 18 08:01 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | sounds like old news | Jul 18 08:02 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | maybe Gates should also promote FGM all across africa | Jul 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | inc. for christian girls | Jul 18 08:05 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | something about having complete control over the genitals of young people | Jul 18 08:06 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz[TR2], Stallman still saying the Fed shouldn't raise rates. | Jul 18 08:06 |
| DaemonFC | The reason inflation is out of control is largely due to the moral hazards of cheap money. | Jul 18 08:06 |
| DaemonFC | They should have raised rates sooner. | Jul 18 08:06 |
| DaemonFC | <schestowitz[TR2]> something about having complete control over the genitals of young people | Jul 18 08:07 |
| DaemonFC | It's not that there's no value in getting circumcised. | Jul 18 08:07 |
| DaemonFC | It's just such a small risk reduction for HIV that the money would be better spent on something else. | Jul 18 08:08 |
| techrights-news | IRL: Online Life is Real Life http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167358#comment-34379 | Jul 18 08:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts/Shows/Videos: LINUX Unplugged, Open Source Security, and GNU World Order | Tux Machines | Jul 18 08:09 | |
| DaemonFC | I like how people like my mom use HIV risk reduction to justify it now. | Jul 18 08:11 |
| DaemonFC | When I was born, HIV had been known to medical science for about two years. | Jul 18 08:11 |
| DaemonFC | Nobody had studied ways to reduce risk of getting it. | Jul 18 08:11 |
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| techrights-news | IRC Proceedings: Sunday, July 17, 2022 | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/07/18/irc-log-170722/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/18/irc-log-170722/ | Jul 18 08:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Sunday, July 17, 2022 | Techrights | Jul 18 08:19 | |
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| techrights-news | As I See It: Pass The Chips - IT Jungle ⚓ https://www.itjungle.com/2022/07/18/as-i-see-it-pass-the-chips-2/ ䷉ Source: itjungle | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.itjungle.com/2022/07/18/as-i-see-it-pass-the-chips-2/ | Jul 18 08:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itjungle.com | As I See It: Pass The Chips - IT Jungle | Jul 18 08:23 | |
| britney | ok so I got windows 3.11 on the internet via dosbox-x | Jul 18 08:24 |
| britney | https://imgur.com/a/jnzhdMo | Jul 18 08:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Imgur: The magic of the Internet | Jul 18 08:24 | |
| britney | mIRC 16-bit lol | Jul 18 08:24 |
| techrights-news | GeckoSpy: Pegasus Spyware Used Against Thailand’s Pro-Democracy Movement - The Citizen Lab ⚓ https://citizenlab.ca/2022/07/geckospy-pegasus-spyware-used-against-thailands-pro-democracy-movement/ ䷉ Source: citizenlab | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//citizenlab.ca/2022/07/geckospy-pegasus-spyware-used-against-thailands-pro-democracy-movement/ | Jul 18 08:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-citizenlab.ca | GeckoSpy: Pegasus Spyware Used Against Thailand’s Pro-Democracy Movement - The Citizen Lab | Jul 18 08:29 | |
| techrights-news | 9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: July 17th, 2022 • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167360 | Jul 18 08:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: July 17th, 2022 | Tux Machines | Jul 18 08:38 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | britney: you use it now? | Jul 18 08:38 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | like, your actual session? | Jul 18 08:38 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | I wonder how windows 3.x deals with ircv3 | Jul 18 08:38 |
| britney | lol not here no | Jul 18 08:38 |
| britney | i was bored so i was messing around with dosbox-x | Jul 18 08:39 |
| britney | 16-bit mIRC is connected to Dalnet | Jul 18 08:39 |
| techrights-news | Garuda 220717 is out https://forum.garudalinux.org/c/announcements/16 | Jul 18 08:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forum.garudalinux.org | Announcements - Garuda Linux Forum | Jul 18 08:39 | |
| techrights-news | DEBIX Model A - A Raspberry Pi-inspired NXP i.MX 8M Plus SBC for AI applications - CNX Software ⚓ https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/07/18/debix-model-a-a-raspberry-pi-inspired-nxp-i-mx-8m-plus-sbc-for-ai-applications/ ䷉ Source: Linux | GNU | Hardware | cnxsoftware | Jul 18 08:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | DEBIX Model A - A Raspberry Pi-inspired NXP i.MX 8M Plus SBC for AI applications - CNX Software | Jul 18 08:40 | |
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| matey | the situation with ted tso is one of the most idiotic things ive seen in my entire life | Jul 18 08:44 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | from what I saw, I agree | Jul 18 08:44 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | unless there's more | Jul 18 08:44 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | that I did not see | Jul 18 08:44 |
| matey | its as if george w. bush cloned himself, every clone got a sex change, and then they took over free software for open source just like they took over iraq for halliburton | Jul 18 08:44 |
| matey | all of shit was open-source-based. all of it | Jul 18 08:45 |
| matey | and the biggest idiots in free software fucking ate it up | Jul 18 08:45 |
| matey | and this destroyed the movement | Jul 18 08:45 |
| matey | but i know there were other factors | Jul 18 08:45 |
| matey | mjg may understand security | Jul 18 08:46 |
| matey | but assuming his arguments are honest, he does not understand the english language in a typical, basic form | Jul 18 08:46 |
| matey | no reading comprehension whatsoever. | Jul 18 08:46 |
| matey | that goes for everyone on his side of that clusterfuck | Jul 18 08:46 |
| matey | theyre all functionally illiterate. | Jul 18 08:47 |
| matey | if youre going to imagine what people said, stop accusing them of things based on what you think they said | Jul 18 08:47 |
| matey | go write fanfic or something. that in practice does not require literary skills. | Jul 18 08:48 |
| matey | (its not all bad) | Jul 18 08:48 |
| matey | the entire cancel culture brigade is like bad fanfic | Jul 18 08:48 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | http://techrights.org/2020/06/08/twitter-cancel-culture/ | Jul 18 08:48 |
| matey | where all the people they disagree with are villains, and all the people who agree know what theyre talking about | Jul 18 08:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Social Control Media: Where ‘Cancel Culture’ Thrives | Techrights | Jul 18 08:48 | |
| matey | its political mary sue bullshit. | Jul 18 08:48 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | it is based on DELIBERATE misundersatandings | Jul 18 08:48 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | \that's the "added value" | Jul 18 08:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | the distortion | Jul 18 08:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | disguised as "sorry, did you mean..." | Jul 18 08:49 |
| matey | well, i said " assuming his arguments are honest" | Jul 18 08:49 |
| matey | theres another possibility in that he knows goddamned well what tso meant | Jul 18 08:49 |
| matey | and just decided to give him the julius caesar treatment anyway | Jul 18 08:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | tso was targeted | Jul 18 08:49 |
| matey | thats a fair thing to say | Jul 18 08:50 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/9hg9to/sage_sharp_claims_top_linux_kernel_developer_theo/ | Jul 18 08:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Sage Sharp claims top Linux kernel developer Theo Ts'o is a rape apologist, citing GeekFeminismWiki : linux | Jul 18 08:50 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | https://www.preining.info/blog/2018/09/sharp-did-it-again/ | Jul 18 08:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.preining.info | Sharp did it again | There and back again | Jul 18 08:50 | |
| matey | this is all backstabbing politics about who gets to destroy the linux kernel | Jul 18 08:50 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | https://nitter.it/_sagesharp_/status/1042769399596437504?lang=en-GB | Jul 18 08:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sage Sharp 🏳️🌈 (@_sagesharp_): "The new Code of Conduct explicitly says discrimination and harassment on the basis of sex or gender is not allowed. One Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board member who did not sign off on the patch is Ted Tso, who is a rape apologist: http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Rape_apology_on_LCA_mailing_list"|nitter.it | Jul 18 08:50 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | "sign off on the patch is Ted Tso, who is a rape apologis" | Jul 18 08:50 |
| matey | bye, linux | Jul 18 08:51 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | still going at it.. | Jul 18 08:51 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | not the first | Jul 18 08:51 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | having a go at tso | Jul 18 08:51 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | like he's some monster | Jul 18 08:51 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | cancel on steroids | Jul 18 08:51 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | literally | Jul 18 08:51 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/general-discussion/1048791-sage-sharp-says-linux-kernel-dev-theo-ts-o-is-rape-apologist-cites-geekfeminismwiki | Jul 18 08:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sage Sharp says Linux Kernel Dev Theo Ts'o is Rape Apologist, cites GeekFeminismWiki - Phoronix Forums | Jul 18 08:51 | |
| matey | geekfeminism is pure stalinist anyway | Jul 18 08:52 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | https://lwn.net/Articles/766361/ | Jul 18 08:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-After Years of Abusive E-mails, the Creator of Linux Steps Aside (The New Yorker) [LWN.net] | Jul 18 08:52 | |
| matey | kill anyone who looks at you funnyism | Jul 18 08:52 |
| matey | and call it progress | Jul 18 08:52 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | there is a worse thrwad | Jul 18 08:53 |
| matey | where paranoia is truth and kissing the ring wont spare your crucifixion | Jul 18 08:53 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | I cannot find it | Jul 18 08:53 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | a long long rant defaming tso | Jul 18 08:53 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | it's somewhere | Jul 18 08:53 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | but social control media sucks at discoverability | Jul 18 08:53 |
| matey | and theyll say unirontically "freedom from speech doesnt mean freedom from cosequences" | Jul 18 08:53 |
| matey | well thats an interesting way to frame censorship as not censorship... | Jul 18 08:53 |
| matey | but silencing people based on kangaroo court tactics IS CENSORSHIP, NOT free speech | Jul 18 08:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | "Sage Sharp has already used the CoC to falsely accuse Ted T'so of violating it (over comments he made years ago). It took only 4 days. | Jul 18 08:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | " | Jul 18 08:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | https://lwn.net/Articles/766347/ | Jul 18 08:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-After Years of Abusive E-mails, the Creator of Linux Steps Aside (The New Yorker) [LWN.net] | Jul 18 08:54 | |
| matey | linux is a hopeless clusterfuck | Jul 18 08:54 |
| matey | and so are its developers | Jul 18 08:54 |
| matey | if openbsd devs are masturbating monkeys | Jul 18 08:54 |
| matey | here is the proof that linux devs throw their own shit (and eat it too) | Jul 18 08:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | "She pointed out that he was the only one to vote against the CoC's adoption and he also (AFAIR) downplayed sexual assault in an argument a couple years ago. | Jul 18 08:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Now where do you find an accusation, let alone a false one? And what are the consequences? Because if there are no consequences, then I don't see what bad supposedly happened." | Jul 18 08:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | "The CoC commit was “signed off by” six of the ten current TAB members, plus Linus Torvalds himself. Ted Ts'o was not among the signatories but from that we can't conclude that he “voted against” its adoption. Given the short timeframe involved, perhaps he was simply not available to sign it. (Incidentally, the other three non-signers are H. Peter Anvin, Tim Bird, and Rik Van Riel.) | Jul 18 08:55 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | " | Jul 18 08:55 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | "A few years ago, Ted Ts'o commented critically on some of the statistics put forward in a discussion on rape. Whether that is “rape apology” or a valid fact-based contribution to the discussion is a matter of opinion, but to some people at the time it was quite an outrage. | Jul 18 08:55 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Anyway, Sage Sharp did not actually make a CoC complaint. What they did was wonder aloud (on Twitter) whether the Linux Foundation TAB was qualified to handle CoC complaints if it contained the well-known “rape apologist”, Ted Ts'o. Sage Sharp also pointed out some procedural issues that the TAB might address to be better prepared to handle CoC complaints as they come in, but these don't look like show-stoppers to me. As far a | Jul 18 08:55 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | s Ted Ts'o's presence on the TAB is concerned, if the kernel community considers that a problem they can decline to reelect him when his seat is up. Finally, Sage Sharp, AFAIK, is not currently working on the Linux kernel, so whether they have standing to make actual CoC complaints is anybody's guess. | Jul 18 08:55 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | " | Jul 18 08:55 |
| matey | this is how they destroyed linux | Jul 18 08:55 |
| matey | hey mjg-- good job | Jul 18 08:55 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | "Under this new CoC, accusing Tso of rape appologism (a clear ad-hominem attac) would put Sharp in a bad position. Oh, the irony. And of course, it shows that problems can be dealt with without a CoC. Unless your problem is eroding Linux leadership, that is. | Jul 18 08:55 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | " | Jul 18 08:55 |
| matey | first linux-- then stallman | Jul 18 08:55 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | "Indeed, I forgot to add that Sage Sharp's attacking Ted Ts'o over something that (a) happened long ago and (b) is by no means as obviously vile as they make it out to be could be considered a form of “harassment” under the new CoC and therefore actionable if Sage Sharp were a member of the kernel development community and Ted Ts'o were to make a complaint. | Jul 18 08:56 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | " | Jul 18 08:56 |
| matey | if Sage Sharp were a member of the kernel development community <- if shes not, what the hell is she | Jul 18 08:56 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | "Sage Sharp has already used the CoC to falsely accuse Ted T'so of violating it (over comments he made years ago). It took only 4 days. | Jul 18 08:56 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | " | Jul 18 08:56 |
| matey | go ahead and repeat it | Jul 18 08:57 |
| matey | its worth repeating | Jul 18 08:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | "Sharp's histrionics are a transparent, deliberately timed, politically motivated act that the CoC not only does not protect, but rather forbids. | Jul 18 08:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Not that it matters either way, because as they're rather vocal about their desire to remain a non-contributor, they aren't subject to the protections in the document in the first place. | Jul 18 08:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | " | Jul 18 08:57 |
| matey | they're rather vocal <- looks up if shes she or they | Jul 18 08:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | SFC hired Sharp | Jul 18 08:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | around the time it also took money from Microsdoft | Jul 18 08:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | SFC might be beyond redemption | Jul 18 08:58 |
| matey | Sharp is non-binary and uses the pronouns "they" and "them". [16] Contents <- wikipedia | Jul 18 08:58 |
| matey | so i guess its they | Jul 18 08:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | but at least it called out Microsoft on some things lately | Jul 18 08:58 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▆▇▅▄▆█▅▅▅▄▆▅▆▅▄▆▄▄▆▄▅▆▃▅▆▅▃▄▅▂▅▆▇▁ avg(k/sec) 28.10 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▁▂▂▂▁▁▂▁▁▁▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▁▂▁▁▁▁▂▁ avg(k/sec) 4.58▕ swarm size (avg): 0 ⟲ | Jul 18 08:59 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | matey: I don't care about that | Jul 18 08:59 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | it's a distraction | Jul 18 08:59 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | it is a person, and a toxic person | Jul 18 08:59 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | who "cancels" decent people | Jul 18 08:59 |
| matey | SFC hired Sharp <- sfc is pure concentrated evil coming out of your anus (comedy reference) | Jul 18 08:59 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | for political reaons | Jul 18 08:59 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | and those perople are toxic to communities | Jul 18 08:59 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | doing the same to Torvalds | Jul 18 08:59 |
| matey | toxic to corporations | Jul 18 08:59 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | accusing him of sexism by innuendo | Jul 18 08:59 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | communities do need to tackle toxic people | Jul 18 08:59 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | but the toxic people like to accuse othrs of toxicity | Jul 18 08:59 |
| matey | within reason | Jul 18 08:59 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | and wear mislewading labels | Jul 18 09:00 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | it's a method | Jul 18 09:00 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | http://techrights.org/2020/06/06/sexism-misrepresentation/ | Jul 18 09:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | They Tell Us Linus Torvalds is Sexist But Evidence Suggests Otherwise | Techrights | Jul 18 09:00 | |
| *britney has quit (connection closed) | Jul 18 09:00 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | you know Sharp works in tandem with MJG | Jul 18 09:00 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | for ages | Jul 18 09:00 |
| matey | <schestowitz[TR2]> but the toxic people like to accuse othrs of toxicity | Jul 18 09:00 |
| matey | RuntimeError: maximum recursion depth exceeded | Jul 18 09:01 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | over 7 years already | Jul 18 09:01 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | they pick targets | Jul 18 09:01 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | and try to destroy their reputation, maybe carer toio | Jul 18 09:01 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | neigther still write ANY code for Linux | Jul 18 09:01 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | tyhey basically got shown the door | Jul 18 09:01 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | implicitly | Jul 18 09:01 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | politely | Jul 18 09:01 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | and LF did not learn | Jul 18 09:01 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | LF totally embraces this agenda | Jul 18 09:01 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | because of the LF's true masters | Jul 18 09:01 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | http://techrights.org/2021/05/07/trolling-the-real-community/ | Jul 18 09:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Biggest Troll is the Linux Foundation, Still Looking to Provoke and Defame Free Software Communities in Order to Help a Monopolistic Takeover and to Shoehorn Tyrants Into Leadership Positions | Techrights | Jul 18 09:01 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | the one thing lacking above | Jul 18 09:02 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | asaide from some comments | Jul 18 09:02 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | there ar emany mor scattered all oveer | Jul 18 09:02 |
| *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #techrights | Jul 18 09:02 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | is other examples of twitter/nitter weaponised to attack tso | Jul 18 09:02 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | on unfair basis | Jul 18 09:02 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | on unfair grounds | Jul 18 09:02 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | like a decade late | Jul 18 09:02 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | as an act of revenge | Jul 18 09:02 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | and it's about tearing down the kernel community | Jul 18 09:02 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | by also forbidding political speech | Jul 18 09:03 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | I don't want to spend any further effort giving more links on this | Jul 18 09:03 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | I think the comments quoted abiove from LWN are decent enough | Jul 18 09:03 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | also, the debian dev, prenning, who spoke out in defence of tso, was demoted | Jul 18 09:03 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | and put under disciplinary poroceedings | Jul 18 09:03 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | for calling out trolls and saboteuer | Jul 18 09:04 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | and that shows that the same trolling has already to debian already... HAD spead | Jul 18 09:04 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | by 2018 | Jul 18 09:04 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | it was areound the time dthey did it to pocock too | Jul 18 09:04 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | he wroite about politics in his blog | Jul 18 09:04 |
| matey | LF totally embraces this agenda <- of course | Jul 18 09:04 |
| matey | they work for microsoft | Jul 18 09:04 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | and occasionally bemoaned companies like gulag intefering | Jul 18 09:04 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | after he had tutored for them | Jul 18 09:05 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | free of charge | Jul 18 09:05 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | gulag employees went after him too | Jul 18 09:05 |
| matey | and it's about tearing down the kernel community by also forbidding political speec <- linus fault | Jul 18 09:05 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | linus was already n ot in charge | Jul 18 09:05 |
| matey | this was a sealed fate when open source tried to remove politics from free software. | Jul 18 09:05 |
| matey | seriously. | Jul 18 09:05 |
| matey | they didnt REMOVE politics, they SUPPRESSED it | Jul 18 09:05 |
| matey | it came back with a vengeance | Jul 18 09:06 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | y poltiics you mean corporations over democracy | Jul 18 09:06 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | you cannot criticise corporations | Jul 18 09:06 |
| matey | this is karma for open source | Jul 18 09:06 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | that run your government | Jul 18 09:06 |
| matey | but free software didnt deserve it | Jul 18 09:06 |
| matey | this is karma for linux | Jul 18 09:06 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | that are also bailed out or subsidised by taxpayers | Jul 18 09:06 |
| matey | but not for gnu per se | Jul 18 09:06 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | agaginst the taxpayers' will | Jul 18 09:06 |
| matey | linux deserves this. open source deserves this. | Jul 18 09:06 |
| matey | they BEGGED for this. | Jul 18 09:06 |
| matey | they got it | Jul 18 09:06 |
| matey | but open source took down free software, and that was its real job | Jul 18 09:07 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | biab, work | Jul 18 09:07 |
| matey | esr made the perfect weapon to attack free software with | Jul 18 09:07 |
| matey | good for fuck-all else. | Jul 18 09:07 |
| matey | hes an idiot, he thought it would be like free software only better | Jul 18 09:07 |
| matey | he might as well have worked for microsoft. but he didnt. hes just an idiot. | Jul 18 09:07 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | con kolivas left linux due to bloat | Jul 18 09:08 |
| matey | ha | Jul 18 09:08 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | he could barely contribute anywmore | Jul 18 09:08 |
| matey | if the shoe... cant fit | Jul 18 09:08 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | it moveds too fast, break stuff, too complex | Jul 18 09:08 |
| matey | <schestowitz[TR2]> he could barely contribute anywmore <- bloat kills software freedom | Jul 18 09:08 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | that's an issue separate from CoC | Jul 18 09:08 |
| matey | <schestowitz[TR2]> it moveds too fast, break stuff, too complex <0- this is what ive been saying | Jul 18 09:08 |
| matey | that's an issue separate from CoC <- yes and thats why i said | Jul 18 09:09 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | but it all started with you studying the tso situation | Jul 18 09:09 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | imagine if in the future I went to work on linus | Jul 18 09:09 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | I akm a c developer | Jul 18 09:09 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | *on linux | Jul 18 09:09 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | some people in the troll crowd would likely target mne | Jul 18 09:09 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | saying I "offended" them and thus I''m not permitted to contribute patches | Jul 18 09:10 |
| matey | shit, i didnt say it | Jul 18 09:10 |
| matey | i was going to say "i know there are other factors" (ive named bloat specifically) | Jul 18 09:10 |
| techrights-news | Review: EasyOS 4.2 • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167361 | Jul 18 09:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Review: EasyOS 4.2 | Tux Machines | Jul 18 09:10 | |
| matey | but instead i congratulated mjg on killing both linux and [the fsf] | Jul 18 09:10 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | he did not | Jul 18 09:11 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | they arer still around | Jul 18 09:11 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | linux came back | Jul 18 09:11 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | from forced "therapy" | Jul 18 09:11 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | very stalinist | Jul 18 09:11 |
| matey | linux came bac <- oh its not bloated? | Jul 18 09:11 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | mjg has himself admitted that he hiselff admitted himself to therapy | Jul 18 09:11 |
| matey | tso is still going to take over? | Jul 18 09:11 |
| matey | he killed linux | Jul 18 09:11 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | rms is alsom still around | Jul 18 09:11 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | but a bit publicity-shy | Jul 18 09:11 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | because of the ableists | Jul 18 09:11 |
| matey | mjg has himself admitted that he hiselff admitted himself to therapy <- that doesnt mean anything. he just shot the hostage (himself) to shift the topic | Jul 18 09:12 |
| matey | but a bit publicity-shy <- you dont get it, and you never will | Jul 18 09:12 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | anyway, linus and gnu are around | Jul 18 09:12 |
| matey | nope | Jul 18 09:12 |
| matey | dead | Jul 18 09:12 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | fsf still present, not in crisis management mode like last year | Jul 18 09:12 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | when many were leaving | Jul 18 09:12 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | and torvalds and rms (I said linux instead of linus... QWERTTY's fAULT) | Jul 18 09:13 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | ARE AROUND | Jul 18 09:13 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | oops, caps | Jul 18 09:13 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | but not in control like before | Jul 18 09:13 |
| matey | https://techrights.org/2020/11/17/real-rms/ | Jul 18 09:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Real Richard Stallman is Not Coming Back | Techrights | Jul 18 09:13 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | so the attacks were only partially successful | Jul 18 09:13 |
| matey | <schestowitz[TR2]> ARE AROUND <- yeah in a glass tomb | Jul 18 09:13 |
| *schestowitz[TR2] back in a bit | Jul 18 09:13 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | we'll have two git servers soon | Jul 18 09:13 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | one for tuxmachines | Jul 18 09:13 |
| matey | <schestowitz[TR2]> so the attacks were only partially successful <- you always backpedal | Jul 18 09:13 |
| matey | its a dumb way to guarantee youll be able to write more about it | Jul 18 09:14 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | no | Jul 18 09:14 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | it's consistent | Jul 18 09:14 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | the attacks failed | Jul 18 09:14 |
| matey | yes, consistently wrong | Jul 18 09:14 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | they wanted rms removed | Jul 18 09:14 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | he's not remooved | Jul 18 09:14 |
| matey | hes not rms | Jul 18 09:14 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | only /in absentia/ | Jul 18 09:14 |
| matey | yeah, exiled-- in place | Jul 18 09:14 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | sharp and mjg never have anything to say about gates and epstein | Jul 18 09:15 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | funny that | Jul 18 09:15 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | such "social justice" brigadiers | Jul 18 09:15 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | they don';t target the rich | Jul 18 09:15 |
| matey | i can refute that, but it doesnt change the fact that stallman is held to a higher standard | Jul 18 09:16 |
| matey | because these things are built with hypocrisy and double standards as the foundation | Jul 18 09:16 |
| matey | its not racism when against whites. its not sexism when its against men | Jul 18 09:16 |
| matey | and theres no such thing as heterophobia | Jul 18 09:17 |
| matey | even though meredith wrote about it | Jul 18 09:17 |
| matey | and theres a pretty decent book with that title | Jul 18 09:17 |
| matey | granted, heterophobia isnt typically as violent or widespread as homophobia | Jul 18 09:17 |
| matey | but only the fake left wants to make people equal by oppressing everyone equally | Jul 18 09:17 |
| matey | thats stalinism too | Jul 18 09:18 |
| techrights-news | [Old] "We are making progress" ☛ https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=5055 | Source: Devuan | Jul 18 09:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dev1galaxy.org | We are making progress / Devuan Derivatives / Dev1 Galaxy Forum | Jul 18 09:18 | |
| matey | and then the right comes and equates stalinism and the fake left with the mainstream | Jul 18 09:18 |
| matey | which is only partly true (and also partly bullshit) | Jul 18 09:18 |
| matey | and then they lose credibility (which they dont deserve for other reasons) | Jul 18 09:18 |
| techrights-news | DOJ about to throw the book at Google on ad monopoly: IT’S ABOUT TIME! ⚓ https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/doj-about-to-throw-the-book-at-google-on:7 ䷉ Source: rossmanngroup | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/doj-about-to-throw-the-book-at-google-on:7 | Jul 18 09:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | DOJ about to throw the book at Google on ad monopoly: IT'S ABOUT TIME! | Jul 18 09:18 | |
| techrights-news | FOSS Code Licencing: Why Do We Even Bother? ⚓ https://odysee.com/@BrodieRobertson:5/foss-code-licencing-why-do-we-even:e ䷉ Source: BrodieRobertson | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//odysee.com/@BrodieRobertson:5/foss-code-licencing-why-do-we-even:e | Jul 18 09:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | FOSS Code Licencing: Why Do We Even Bother? | Jul 18 09:19 | |
| matey | and everyone forgets that stalinists are (by nature) fucking hypocrites and doublestandardmongers | Jul 18 09:19 |
| matey | even though its practically synonymous | Jul 18 09:19 |
| matey | you know the ITS MAAM woman? | Jul 18 09:19 |
| matey | tiffany michelle | Jul 18 09:19 |
| techrights-news | "As more developers work to optimize their games for the Steam Deck" ☛ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/steam-deck-hits-over-4000-titles-marked-either-verified-or-playable/ | Source: GamingOnLinux | Jul 18 09:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Steam Deck hits over 4,000 titles marked either Verified or Playable | GamingOnLinux | Jul 18 09:19 | |
| matey | self-proclaimed stalinist | Jul 18 09:19 |
| *chomwitt (~chomwitt@95ruh3zdy2z5q.irc) has joined #techrights | Jul 18 09:19 | |
| matey | mentioned mostly because i found this out the other day | Jul 18 09:20 |
| matey | and she has a rap video | Jul 18 09:20 |
| matey | two i think | Jul 18 09:20 |
| techrights-news | "game developer Bungie has now sued a US-based gamer" ☛ https://torrentfreak.com/bungie-sues-twitch-streaming-destiny-cheater-miffysworld-for-being-awful-220718/ | Source: Torrent Freak | Jul 18 09:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bungie Sues Twitch-Streaming Destiny Cheater 'MiffysWorld' For Being Awful * TorrentFreak | Jul 18 09:20 | |
| techrights-news | "the effects of copyright infringement" ☛ https://torrentfreak.com/research-suggests-that-software-piracy-lowers-poverty-220717/ | Source: Torrent Freak | Jul 18 09:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Research Suggests That Software Piracy Lowers Poverty * TorrentFreak | Jul 18 09:20 | |
| matey | with a lambo. | Jul 18 09:20 |
| matey | if you see how stalin lived, this is hilarious. | Jul 18 09:21 |
| techrights-news | "The ICE-V Wireless from QWERTY Embedded Design is a tiny board that combines a Lattice iCE40" ☛ https://linuxgizmos.com/risc-v-based-ice-v-wireless-board-includes-a-lattice-ice40-ultraplus-fpga/ | Source: Linux Gizmos | Jul 18 09:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/risc-v-based-ice-v-wireless-board-includes-a-lattice-ice40-ultraplus-fpga/ ) | Jul 18 09:21 | |
| matey | i suppose there are legitimately marxist points you COULD make with a lambo | Jul 18 09:21 |
| matey | very few, but nonetheless | Jul 18 09:21 |
| techrights-news | "In post, we will cover how to install minikube on Fedora 36 step by step." ☛ https://www.linuxbuzz.com/how-to-install-minikube-on-fedora/ | Source: Linux Buzz | Jul 18 09:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxbuzz.com | How to Install Minikube on Fedora 36 Step by Step | Jul 18 09:21 | |
| matey | mostly its funny, because stalin (who is supposedly leninist) LOVED his swanky hotel suites and giant baths and (most likely) fancy cars | Jul 18 09:22 |
| matey | lenin scoffed at such things | Jul 18 09:22 |
| matey | trotsky also scoffed | Jul 18 09:22 |
| techrights-news | "Wine is an open-source and free application for Linux that enables users to run any windows based software" ☛ https://www.tecmint.com/install-wine-in-rhel-centos-and-fedora/ | Source: TecMint | Jul 18 09:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tecmint.com | How to Install Wine on RHEL-based Linux Distributions | Jul 18 09:23 | |
| matey | stalin didnt like trotskys critiques, so he had him stabbed to death with an ice pick | Jul 18 09:23 |
| techrights-news | DEBIX Model A - A Raspberry Pi-inspired NXP i.MX 8M Plus SBC for AI applications • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167362 | Jul 18 09:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | DEBIX Model A - A Raspberry Pi-inspired NXP i.MX 8M Plus SBC for AI applications | Tux Machines | Jul 18 09:23 | |
| techrights-news | "Every ISO file has .iso an extension has a defined format name taken from the ISO 9660 file system" ☛ https://www.tecmint.com/how-to-mount-and-unmount-an-iso-image-in-linux/ | Source: TecMint | Jul 18 09:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tecmint.com | How to Mount and Unmount an ISO Image in Linux | Jul 18 09:24 | |
| matey | my guess is that under stalin, poison and tea were just too dear | Jul 18 09:24 |
| matey | so they had to make do | Jul 18 09:24 |
| techrights-news | "There is another open source software available called PlayOnLinux that uses Wine" ☛ https://www.tecmint.com/playonlinux-install-windows-software-in-linux/ | Source: TecMint | Jul 18 09:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tecmint.com | PlayOnLinux – Run Windows Software and Games in Linux | Jul 18 09:24 | |
| matey | (thats not entirely true-- even under stalin, there were some advances in comfort-- punctuated by mass famines and resulting deaths) | Jul 18 09:25 |
| matey | that is, assuming you werent sent to the gulag over a misunderstanding | Jul 18 09:25 |
| matey | but trotsky came back! | Jul 18 09:25 |
| matey | the real one at that | Jul 18 09:25 |
| matey | not silenced | Jul 18 09:26 |
| matey | and so, ice pick. | Jul 18 09:26 |
| matey | the gulag failed. FAILED! | Jul 18 09:26 |
| matey | the ice pick worked | Jul 18 09:26 |
| matey | many attempts were made to silence stallman | Jul 18 09:27 |
| matey | its fucking irrelevant "where" he is | Jul 18 09:27 |
| matey | what matters is WHAT he is | Jul 18 09:27 |
| techrights-news | "The Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP) provides a centralized and automated method for configuring the network attributes of hosts when they connect to the network." ☛ https://opensource.com/article/22/7/configure-dhcp-server | Source: OpenSource.com | Jul 18 09:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How I configure a DHCP server on my personal network | Opensource.com | Jul 18 09:27 | |
| techrights-news | "This article demonstrates creating a base API with Express and JavaScript." ☛ https://opensource.com/article/22/7/javascript-api-express | Source: OpenSource.com | Jul 18 09:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Create a JavaScript API in 6 minutes | Opensource.com | Jul 18 09:27 | |
| matey | and hes never going to be that again. we should of course protect an important legacy | Jul 18 09:27 |
| techrights-news | "Netfilter tables (nftables) is the default firewall shipped with modern Linux distros." ☛ https://opensource.com/article/22/7/nftwatch-linux-firewall | Source: OpenSource.com | Jul 18 09:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Monitor your Linux firewall with nftwatch | Opensource.com | Jul 18 09:27 | |
| matey | but hes actually finished this time | Jul 18 09:27 |
| matey | pretending hes not wont make it so | Jul 18 09:27 |
| matey | its important, because a lot of idiots are waiting for him to come fix things | Jul 18 09:28 |
| matey | why not just wait for jesus? hes just as likely to return | Jul 18 09:28 |
| matey | waiting for jesus is fine, unless its an excuse to leave shit like it is-- thats stupid | Jul 18 09:28 |
| matey | waiting for stallman is just as dumb (well, okay, one literally died, so maybe theyre not 1:1 identical) | Jul 18 09:29 |
| matey | doesnt help the odds | Jul 18 09:29 |
| matey | stallman hasnt fixed any of this stuff in years | Jul 18 09:29 |
| matey | he did try | Jul 18 09:29 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | (ℹ) Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-17.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-18.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi | Jul 18 09:30 |
| matey | the traitors in the gnu project gave ZERO shits | Jul 18 09:30 |
| matey | rms doesnt even run gnu anymore | Jul 18 09:30 |
| matey | the coup does | Jul 18 09:30 |
| matey | but you wont figure that out | Jul 18 09:30 |
| matey | a few years from now youll still be scratching your head about it, and pretending to know | Jul 18 09:30 |
| matey | the coup won (for now) | Jul 18 09:30 |
| matey | its necessary to understand strategic losses in order to fix (and learn from) them | Jul 18 09:31 |
| matey | its a shot in our own foot to deny this shit | Jul 18 09:31 |
| matey | just as its self-destructive to equate calling the iraq invasian illegal with not supporting the troops | Jul 18 09:32 |
| matey | if the troops need bullshit and lies to feel supported, thats not everyone elses problem | Jul 18 09:32 |
| matey | not their responsibility | Jul 18 09:32 |
| matey | of course the argument itself is ridiculous | Jul 18 09:32 |
| matey | https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/33505-why-of-course-the-people-don-t-want-war-why-should | Jul 18 09:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.goodreads.com | Quote by Hermann Goering: “Why of course the people don't want war. Why sh...” | Jul 18 09:33 | |
| matey | aturally, the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship… | Jul 18 09:35 |
| techrights-news | Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Apple Notes • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167363 | Jul 18 09:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Apple Notes | Tux Machines | Jul 18 09:35 | |
| matey | Voice or no voice, [xrevan86] the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.” | Jul 18 09:35 |
| techrights-news | Google #Android Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167364 | Jul 18 09:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jul 18 09:36 | |
| matey | hermann goering ^ | Jul 18 09:36 |
| matey | nasty piece of work. but this much is true | Jul 18 09:36 |
| matey | first found that quote around 2003 | Jul 18 09:36 |
| matey | it was taped to a uni professors door | Jul 18 09:37 |
| techrights-news | Geniatech XPI-3566 is a business-card sized Rockchip R3566 SBC https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/07/18/geniatech-xpi-3566-is-a-business-card-sized-rockchip-r3566-sbc/ | Jul 18 09:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | Geniatech XPI-3566 is a business-card sized Rockchip R3566 SBC - CNX Software | Jul 18 09:37 | |
| matey | large font | Jul 18 09:37 |
| matey | in 2003 people had one choice: war, or war | Jul 18 09:37 |
| matey | gene simmons agreed | Jul 18 09:38 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | lol | Jul 18 09:38 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | you have a thing for gene | Jul 18 09:38 |
| matey | i like long tongues | Jul 18 09:38 |
| matey | but actually | Jul 18 09:38 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | richard simmons | Jul 18 09:38 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | josh simmons | Jul 18 09:39 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | simmons and simmons | Jul 18 09:39 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | the UPC mafia | Jul 18 09:39 |
| matey | richard simmons i like | Jul 18 09:39 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | he was with ricky lakje a lot | Jul 18 09:39 |
| matey | but liking richard simmons more than josh simmons is homophobic | Jul 18 09:39 |
| matey | because the former is as gay as the hills, but closeted | Jul 18 09:39 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | richard simmons woluld be useful when cancel mobs go after you | Jul 18 09:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | and he would fire back at them | Jul 18 09:40 |
| matey | and the other i didnt even know, but hes apparently out | Jul 18 09:40 |
| matey | so theres a nuance | Jul 18 09:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | yeah | Jul 18 09:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | nuance | Jul 18 09:40 |
| matey | actually at this point hes basically a recluse | Jul 18 09:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | but he's not fully out | Jul 18 09:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | just a bit | Jul 18 09:40 |
| matey | hes old and depressed | Jul 18 09:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | he's not in the board iirc | Jul 18 09:40 |
| matey | but i think hes a good person | Jul 18 09:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | but still associated | Jul 18 09:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | they need a name-caller | Jul 18 09:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | accusing people of flase things | Jul 18 09:40 |
| matey | he just doesnt want to be old | Jul 18 09:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | richard? | Jul 18 09:41 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | dick cimmons | Jul 18 09:41 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | what a dick | Jul 18 09:41 |
| matey | simmons, yes | Jul 18 09:41 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | reminds me of larry from 3 stooges | Jul 18 09:41 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | mjg is curly obviously | Jul 18 09:42 |
| matey | reminds me of larry darryl and darryl from newhart | Jul 18 09:42 |
| techrights-news | #HowTo Install ZSH Shell along with OhMyZsh and Powerlevel10k on Ubuntu 22.04 • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167365 | Jul 18 09:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to Install ZSH Shell along with OhMyZsh and Powerlevel10k on Ubuntu 22.04 | Tux Machines | Jul 18 09:42 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | speaking of larry | Jul 18 09:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | twitter's bird is named after larry bird | Jul 18 09:42 |
| matey | mjg is the spiritual leader of the new fsf | Jul 18 09:42 |
| matey | a person who is open source to the very core, who swears its about "free software | Jul 18 09:43 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | leisure suit larry = mjg at a foss conference | Jul 18 09:43 |
| matey | free software initiative | Jul 18 09:44 |
| matey | formerly libre, openly sleazy software | Jul 18 09:44 |
| matey | fuck linux, opins sage sharp | Jul 18 09:45 |
| matey | favour linus over stallman supporters | Jul 18 09:47 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | fans? | Jul 18 09:48 |
| matey | eh? | Jul 18 09:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | https://wearefaith.org/blog/the-second-commandment-worship-god-rightly/ | Jul 18 09:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wearefaith.org | 2nd Commandment – Worship God Rightly – Faith Church | Jul 18 09:49 | |
| matey | lolwut | Jul 18 09:49 |
| matey | call him mellow yellow? | Jul 18 09:50 |
| techrights-news | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167366 | Jul 18 09:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Jul 18 09:50 | |
| matey | You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me <- he was walking like an egyptian that day | Jul 18 09:51 |
| matey | never hang around god when hes in an egyptian mood | Jul 18 09:51 |
| matey | it rarely ends well | Jul 18 09:51 |
| matey | visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me <- dont fuck with god, he will eat your children | Jul 18 09:54 |
| techrights-news | Steam Deck hits over 4,000 titles marked either Verified or Playable • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167367 | Jul 18 09:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Steam Deck hits over 4,000 titles marked either Verified or Playable | Tux Machines | Jul 18 09:54 | |
| techrights-news | RISC-V based ICE-V Wireless board includes a Lattice ICE40 UltraPlus FPGA • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167368 | Jul 18 09:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | RISC-V based ICE-V Wireless board includes a Lattice ICE40 UltraPlus FPGA | Tux Machines | Jul 18 09:54 | |
| matey | from the mouths of bab-ylonians | Jul 18 09:55 |
| techrights-news | Links 18/07/2022: EasyOS Dunfell-series 4.2.7, EasyOS 4.2 Reviewed, Steam Deck at 4,000 Games | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/07/18/steam-deck-at-4000-games/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/18/steam-deck-at-4000-games/ | Jul 18 09:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 18/07/2022: EasyOS Dunfell-series 4.2.7, EasyOS 4.2 Reviewed, Steam Deck at 4,000 Games | Techrights | Jul 18 09:58 | |
| techrights-news | "The sewing machine is a tool that many of us will have somewhere around our workshop." ☛ https://hackaday.com/2022/07/17/a-home-made-sewing-machine-may-be-the-only-one/ | Source: Hackaday | Jul 18 09:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A Home Made Sewing Machine May Be The Only One | Hackaday | Jul 18 09:59 | |
| techrights-news | "As ferrite technology has progressed into a mastery of magnetic permeability" ☛ https://hackaday.com/2022/07/17/beautiful-inductors-now-not-such-a-lost-art/ | Source: Hackaday | Jul 18 09:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Beautiful Inductors, Now Not Such A Lost Art | Hackaday | Jul 18 09:59 | |
| matey | images misrepresent God, a God who reminds His people that we do not see Him in a form (Deuteronomy 4:15-19). | Jul 18 09:59 |
| techrights-news | Orban ☛ https://telex.hu/english/2022/07/18/western-allies-puzzled-by-hungary-mild-reaction-to-russias-hacking | Source: Telex (Hungary) | Jul 18 09:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-telex.hu | Telex: Western allies puzzled by Hungary' mild reaction to Russia's hacking | Jul 18 09:59 | |
| matey | you know, except when he shows up as stuff | Jul 18 09:59 |
| matey | like a burning bush | Jul 18 09:59 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | MinceR: joiins us know and hack the softwaree | Jul 18 10:00 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | join, *now | Jul 18 10:00 |
| matey | join us now and cancel our leader | Jul 18 10:00 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | lieber | Jul 18 10:01 |
| matey | read my liebs | Jul 18 10:01 |
| matey | no gnu taxes | Jul 18 10:01 |
| matey | the fsf-destroying/linux-destroying foundation | Jul 18 10:04 |
| matey | the fsf-destroying+linux-destroying foundation | Jul 18 10:04 |
| matey | /me think the + in gnu+linux was premature optimisation | Jul 18 10:05 |
| matey | maybe if he had waited 100 years, it wouldnt be premature | Jul 18 10:05 |
| techrights-news | The Corporatization of Just About Everything — Including the Climate Crisis and Outer Space ☛ https://scheerpost.com/2022/07/17/the-corporatization-of-just-about-everything-including-the-climate-crisis-and-outer-space/ | Source: Scheerpost | Jul 18 10:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Corporatization of Just About Everything — Including the Climate Crisis and Outer Space – scheerpost.com | Jul 18 10:06 | |
| matey | besides, isnt it actually (gnu linux) | Jul 18 10:06 |
| techrights-news | "The differences between a drone and an underwater remote-operated vehicle (ROV) aren’t actually that large." ☛ https://hackaday.com/2022/07/17/it-turns-out-you-cant-just-fly-a-drone-under-water/ | Source: Hackaday | Jul 18 10:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-It Turns Out You Can’t Just Fly A Drone Under Water | Hackaday | Jul 18 10:07 | |
| mjg59_ | 09:11 < schestowitz[TR2]> mjg has himself admitted that he hiselff admitted himself to therapy | Jul 18 10:07 |
| mjg59_ | schestowitz[TR2]: Uh I'm not sure you understand how therapy works | Jul 18 10:07 |
| techrights-news | "background-oriented schlieren" ☛ https://hackaday.com/2022/07/17/observe-airflow-using-smartphone-and-background-oriented-schlieren/ | Source: Hackaday | Jul 18 10:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Observe Airflow Using Smartphone And Background-Oriented Schlieren | Hackaday | Jul 18 10:07 | |
| matey | its a relatively young science | Jul 18 10:07 |
| mjg59_ | Do you admit yourself to dentistry? | Jul 18 10:07 |
| matey | fools can go to the dentist, but theyll never admit it | Jul 18 10:08 |
| mjg59_ | It's not an in-patient situation | Jul 18 10:08 |
| techrights-news | The missiles and weapons giant Boeing, which many wrongly view as air travel company ☛ https://truthout.org/articles/lets-replicate-chicagos-antiwar-organizing-victory-against-boeing/ | Source: TruthOut | Jul 18 10:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Let's Replicate Chicago's Antiwar Organizing Victory Against Boeing | Jul 18 10:08 | |
| mjg59_ | There is no "admission" | Jul 18 10:08 |
| mjg59_ | I make an appointment with my therapist, we chat for an hour, I repeat as necessary | Jul 18 10:09 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | matey: I know that quote :-) | Jul 18 10:09 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | mjg59_: good luck with that | Jul 18 10:09 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Torvalds did not ask for it | Jul 18 10:09 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | he was "prescribed" by bullies | Jul 18 10:09 |
| matey | <schestowitz[TR2]> matey: I know that quote :-) <- yes, but youll never admit it | Jul 18 10:09 |
| mjg59_ | You can't force people into therapy, it simply doesn't work | Jul 18 10:10 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | it's a quote worth internalising | Jul 18 10:10 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | becaus eit's very tru | Jul 18 10:10 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | some whistleblowers I speak to feel like they have no impact | Jul 18 10:10 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | because those whom they hurt pretend not to care | Jul 18 10:10 |
| matey | You can't force people into therapy, it simply doesn't work <- there are various ways to force them that do effectively force them though | Jul 18 10:10 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | it's for guilt | Jul 18 10:10 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | and public humiliation | Jul 18 10:10 |
| matey | <schestowitz[TR2]> some whistleblowers I speak to feel like they have no impact <- explain f=ma | Jul 18 10:10 |
| matey | maybe instead of a whistle they should use a hammer | Jul 18 10:11 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | force=mass what? | Jul 18 10:11 |
| mjg59_ | How does humiliation come into this? | Jul 18 10:11 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | it's what cancel culture does | Jul 18 10:11 |
| matey | im not suggesting they blow it (unless its a pneumatic hammer i guess) | Jul 18 10:11 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | f =m x a? | Jul 18 10:11 |
| mjg59_ | Is seeing a therapist supposed to be humiliating? | Jul 18 10:11 |
| matey | public shaming, humiliation, ok | Jul 18 10:11 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | c =s eped of light | Jul 18 10:11 |
| matey | the amish do shunning | Jul 18 10:12 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | c^2 | Jul 18 10:12 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | see schcwern | Jul 18 10:12 |
| matey | its not that muslim women want freedom from hijabs, they just want to remove hijabs without consequences | Jul 18 10:12 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | mjg59_: if it is UNNECESSARY, yes | Jul 18 10:12 |
| mjg59_ | Linus didn't seem to think it was unnecessary? | Jul 18 10:13 |
| matey | https://saudiarabiaevisa.org/saudi-arabia-laws-for-women-while-visiting/ | Jul 18 10:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Empty reply from server ( status 0 @ https://saudiarabiaevisa.org/saudi-arabia-laws-for-women-while-visiting/ ) | Jul 18 10:13 | |
| matey | women dont want freedom in saudi arabia, they just want to act without consequences | Jul 18 10:14 |
| techrights-news | James Webb Space Telescope (JWST) ☛ https://hackaday.com/2022/07/17/peer-into-space-through-this-james-webb-style-hexagonal-mirror/ | Source: Hackaday | Jul 18 10:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Peer Into Space Through This James Webb-Style Hexagonal Mirror | Hackaday | Jul 18 10:14 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | ☛ https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/07/17/plotting-war-iran | Source: Common Dreams | Jul 18 10:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | Plotting War on Iran | Chris Hedges | Jul 18 10:14 | |
| matey | (this is my favourite cancel culture quote. i like to pair it with the simpsons angry mob meme) | Jul 18 10:14 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | wait, wrong link | Jul 18 10:15 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/17/remember-abu-ghraib-mbs-tells-biden-when-pressed-khashoggi-repor | Jul 18 10:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/17/remember-abu-ghraib-mbs-tells-biden-when-pressed-khashoggi-repor ) | Jul 18 10:15 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/17/remember-abu-ghraib-mbs-tells-biden-when-pressed-khashoggi-report | Jul 18 10:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | 'Remember Abu Ghraib,' MBS Tells Biden When Pressed on Khashoggi: Report | Jul 18 10:15 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | cancel tso | Jul 18 10:15 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | he spoke about iraq | Jul 18 10:15 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | mjg59_: no, and it was not | Jul 18 10:15 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | confession under blackmail is BS | Jul 18 10:15 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | like admissionf og uilt under torture | Jul 18 10:16 |
| matey | only rape apologists criticise the iraq war | Jul 18 10:16 |
| matey | -- gene simmons | Jul 18 10:16 |
| mjg59_ | I mean I literally spoke to him about this? | Jul 18 10:16 |
| mjg59_ | In person? | Jul 18 10:16 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Abu Ghraib = rape | Jul 18 10:16 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | bush = rapist | Jul 18 10:16 |
| mjg59_ | And you haven't? | Jul 18 10:16 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | after you balackmailed him | Jul 18 10:16 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | in 2015 | Jul 18 10:16 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | in 2018 | Jul 18 10:16 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | you had several goes at it | Jul 18 10:16 |
| matey | war includes rape very often | Jul 18 10:16 |
| matey | so gene simmons is also a rape apologist | Jul 18 10:16 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | iirc, many sexual abuse there | Jul 18 10:17 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | but not enough for arrest | Jul 18 10:17 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | like assau;t/rape | Jul 18 10:17 |
| mjg59_ | If I blackmailed him, why did he want to talk to me about it afterwards? | Jul 18 10:17 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | matey: suicide apologist | Jul 18 10:17 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | matey: llol!!! | Jul 18 10:17 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | ^^ "If I blackmailed him, why did he want to talk to me about it afterwards?" | Jul 18 10:17 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | I don't think you know how blackmail works | Jul 18 10:17 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | the whole idea is that you do something under covert pressure | Jul 18 10:18 |
| matey | I don't think you know how blackmail works <- people who are blackmailed do things of their own agency | Jul 18 10:18 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | maybe in pillow talk with his wife linus tells the wife what he really thinks of you | Jul 18 10:18 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | but cannot say it in kernel mailing lists | Jul 18 10:18 |
| mjg59_ | Oh, I don't think Linus /likes/ me | Jul 18 10:18 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | or to your face | Jul 18 10:18 |
| matey | for example, people who are tortured by the government often do things of their own central intelligence agency | Jul 18 10:19 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | mjg59_: linus would tell you to go suck on a Popsicle if he could do so without consequences from james and sheela Microsoft | Jul 18 10:19 |
| mjg59_ | But he had an unprompted conversation with me about how it was the people defending him who convinced him he needed to do something | Jul 18 10:19 |
| matey | on one side: people who agree with mjg | Jul 18 10:20 |
| matey | on the other side: nazis and abortion clinic bombers | Jul 18 10:20 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | bbl | Jul 18 10:20 |
| matey | tthe choice is obvious | Jul 18 10:20 |
| matey | read the room | Jul 18 10:20 |
| techrights-news | "[Maurizio] built a robot arm, which is always a great accomplishment." ☛ https://hackaday.com/2022/07/17/robot-arm-has-the-touch/ | Source: Hackaday | Jul 18 10:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Robot Arm Has The Touch | Hackaday | Jul 18 10:20 | |
| techrights-news | The cause and effect here may have been reversed ☛ https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/07/18/lgbt-adults-are-more-likely-to-experience-mental-health-hardships-but-less-likely-to-get-needed-help/ | Source: Counter Punch | Jul 18 10:21 |
| matey | if thats linuses take on right vs wrong, they should probably revoke kernel access (for incompetence) | Jul 18 10:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-LGBT Adults Are More Likely to Experience Mental Health Hardships, But Less Likely to Get Needed Help - CounterPunch.org | Jul 18 10:21 | |
| techrights-news | Labour causes ☛ https://truthout.org/articles/nlrb-is-understaffed-and-underfunded-at-critical-moment-for-labor-movement/ | Source: TruthOut | Jul 18 10:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | NLRB Is Understaffed and Underfunded at Critical Moment for Labor Movement | Jul 18 10:22 | |
| matey | then again hes about as much as charge as that poor fellow hanging from a clock in metropolis | Jul 18 10:22 |
| techrights-news | Patents as a corruption ploy: "But if I gave your neighbor Bob a million dollars of YOUR money to invent that mousetrap" ☛ https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/07/18/public-university-patents-are-a-racket/ | Source: Counter Punch | Jul 18 10:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Public University Patents are a Racket - CounterPunch.org | Jul 18 10:23 | |
| matey | <cleese> "NOW LOOK! JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE SAYS 'RAPE STATISTICS'" *everyone stones cleese* | Jul 18 10:24 |
| matey | "I MEANT JEHOVAH!" | Jul 18 10:24 |
| techrights-news | With COVID-19, universities where used to feed a patent rackets. Famous Criminal Bill Gates (and Epstein enabler) made a fortune through Oxford university, at OUR expense! Twitter suspended me just to point this fact out. | Jul 18 10:24 |
| matey | code of conduct: because sharia law isnt quite inclusive enough | Jul 18 10:25 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULfqhCNHQPA | Jul 18 10:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Invidious: https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=ULfqhCNHQPA | Jul 18 10:25 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Connection timed out after 10001 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=ULfqhCNHQPA ) | Jul 18 10:25 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jA95FKbs_Jg | Jul 18 10:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Invidious: https://invidious.esmailelbob.xyz/watch?v=jA95FKbs_Jg | Jul 18 10:25 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> invidious.esmailelbob.xyz | John Cleese Walks Out on BBC News Interview - Invidious | Jul 18 10:25 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | this second one is epic | Jul 18 10:25 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ7PPUTT3KY | Jul 18 10:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Invidious: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=tJ7PPUTT3KY | Jul 18 10:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> yewtu.be | John Cleese Absolutely OBLITERATES 'Woke' Interviewer on Her 'Cancel Culture Agenda' - Invidious | Jul 18 10:26 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | he can smell a troll | Jul 18 10:26 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | from a distance | Jul 18 10:26 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | he's/ very tolerant | Jul 18 10:26 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | but now they go after any comedy skit | Jul 18 10:26 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | but choosing not to understand it | Jul 18 10:26 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | and then claiming people will die | Jul 18 10:26 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | from the misunderstanding | Jul 18 10:27 |
| techrights-news | "Much of campus activity these days focuses on diversity, tuition, student loans" ☛ https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/07/18/students-campuses-and-dominant-corporate-power/ | Source: Counter Punch | Jul 18 10:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Students, Campuses and Dominant Corporate Power - CounterPunch.org | Jul 18 10:27 | |
| techrights-news | FBI manufactturing "threats"... "Romeo Langhorne is the latest victim of an FBI phony terror entrapment scheme." ☛ https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/07/17/fbi-still-targeting-black-people-entrapment | Source: Common Dreams | Jul 18 10:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | The FBI Is Still Targeting Black People for Entrapment | Margaret Kimberley | Jul 18 10:28 | |
| matey | give them long enough, and the stalinists render satire obsolete | Jul 18 10:28 |
| matey | theres not much you can joke about them doing that they wont actually do | Jul 18 10:29 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | that happened with putin | Jul 18 10:29 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | not stalin | Jul 18 10:29 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | he goes after comedy too | Jul 18 10:29 |
| matey | stalin went after everyone | Jul 18 10:29 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | and wants to kill some Ukrainian comedian | Jul 18 10:29 |
| matey | putin is a wannabe stalin. but hes doing a notable job of it | Jul 18 10:30 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Stalin's DreamTeam(R) | Jul 18 10:30 |
| matey | putin will prove hes stalin when his own closest people (finally) kill him | Jul 18 10:30 |
| matey | stalinist freedom cancellers | Jul 18 10:32 |
| mjg59_ | The Death of Stalin is extremely good comedy | Jul 18 10:32 |
| matey | /me prefers demobbed | Jul 18 10:32 |
| *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) | Jul 18 10:32 | |
| techrights-news | Dying companies, riding the money of misled people who think they're worth something https://gamerant.com/microsoft-acquire-netflix/ | Jul 18 10:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gamerant.com | Analyst Thinks Microsoft Could Acquire Netflix | Jul 18 10:33 | |
| techrights-news | Improve Linux performance with this one weird trick • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167369 | Jul 18 10:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Improve Linux performance with this one weird trick | Tux Machines | Jul 18 10:36 | |
| matey | someone try to use duckduckgo in tor browser with scripts and cookies off | Jul 18 10:36 |
| techrights-news | Why Internet Access Needs to Be Considered a Basic Human Right https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/internet-access-basic-human-right/ | Jul 18 10:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalcitizen.org | Why Internet Access Needs to Be Considered a Basic Human Right | Jul 18 10:36 | |
| matey | nevermind, my bad | Jul 18 10:37 |
| techrights-news | Resilience Amid Oppression in Myanmar’s ‘Digital Coup’ https://engagemedia.org/2022/pretty-good-podcast-20-myanmar-digital-coup/ | Jul 18 10:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-engagemedia.org | Pretty Good Podcast Episode 20: Resilience Amid Oppression in Myanmar's 'Digital Coup' - EngageMedia | Jul 18 10:37 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | SJVN: Microsoft is open source company | Jul 18 10:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | open source... like github ;-) | Jul 18 10:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | linux company | Jul 18 10:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | blocks linux from booting | Jul 18 10:38 |
| techrights-news | Dissecting Microsoft’s proposed policy to ban commercial open source apps • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167370 | Jul 18 10:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Dissecting Microsoft’s proposed policy to ban commercial open source apps | Tux Machines | Jul 18 10:38 | |
| matey | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiqDZlAZygU | Jul 18 10:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Invidious: https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=BiqDZlAZygU | Jul 18 10:38 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Connection timed out after 10001 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=BiqDZlAZygU ) | Jul 18 10:38 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Tor is compromised | Jul 18 10:38 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | the Tor Browser for sure | Jul 18 10:38 |
| matey | blocks linux from booting <- pfft | Jul 18 10:38 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | putting Microsoft spyware in the browser | Jul 18 10:38 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | after Microsoftg paid them | Jul 18 10:38 |
| matey | blocks linux from even being developed! | Jul 18 10:38 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | via the Microsoft proxy | Jul 18 10:38 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | http://techrights.org/wiki/DuckDuckGo | Jul 18 10:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | DuckDuckGo - Techrights | Jul 18 10:39 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | you cannot ask tor about the "donation" | Jul 18 10:39 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | they ban you from irc if you ask | Jul 18 10:39 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | they cannot justify it | Jul 18 10:39 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | tor is finished to me | Jul 18 10:39 |
| matey | okay | Jul 18 10:39 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | sjvn joined the troll club of James and Sheela Microsoft | Jul 18 10:39 |
| matey | if youre in india and want to access the internet, you tell me how | Jul 18 10:40 |
| matey | ill wait | Jul 18 10:40 |
| matey | even with their boatloads of hypocrisy and bullshit | Jul 18 10:41 |
| matey | tor undoes more censorship than it causes | Jul 18 10:41 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | deepends where | Jul 18 10:41 |
| matey | way more | Jul 18 10:41 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | like the back doors | Jul 18 10:41 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | it intentional is sleective effect | Jul 18 10:41 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | so that US empire can gain | Jul 18 10:41 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | they want tor to work in russia | Jul 18 10:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | to destabilise it | Jul 18 10:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | but they exercise control over tor | Jul 18 10:42 |
| matey | tor should work everywhere imo | Jul 18 10:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | so that US dissidents can get caught | Jul 18 10:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | there's always some zerop-day | Jul 18 10:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | or minus-something-day | Jul 18 10:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | they don't tell you | Jul 18 10:42 |
| matey | youre conflating attacks on tor that tor discloses with tor itself | Jul 18 10:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | and they control some devs for all we know | Jul 18 10:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | they ousted the ones they could not control | Jul 18 10:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | adn who openly spoke out against nsa et al | Jul 18 10:43 |
| matey | try the rust angle, its less ridiculous | Jul 18 10:43 |
| matey | i can think of better reasons not to use tor than you can | Jul 18 10:43 |
| matey | they ousted the ones they could not control <- seems that way | Jul 18 10:43 |
| matey | my guess is that jake was targeted for being an actual rapist | Jul 18 10:44 |
| matey | he was still targeted | Jul 18 10:44 |
| matey | but he may not be innocent | Jul 18 10:44 |
| matey | maybe the only person keeping tor honest was a rapist, i dont know | Jul 18 10:44 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | tor sacked many staff | Jul 18 10:45 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | about a third | Jul 18 10:45 |
| matey | they are (demonstrably) less honest now. i dont know if thats because jake left or not. | Jul 18 10:45 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | and put in management someone I don't trust | Jul 18 10:45 |
| matey | tor sacked many staf <- why, which ones | Jul 18 10:45 |
| matey | i can find a reason not to use just about any software | Jul 18 10:45 |
| matey | instead of literally formatting, i try to find the least bullshit software in the world | Jul 18 10:46 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | right now tor truns to sir shit up OUTSIDE the 6-eyes | Jul 18 10:46 |
| matey | that way i dont have to write my own kernel | Jul 18 10:46 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | while we keep hearing of tor users unmasked in thw west | Jul 18 10:46 |
| techrights-news | "What could go wrong with digital transformation?" IBM imposing Microsoft systemd and other vendor lockin on your infra to sell "support" https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/7/digital-transformation-fear-derail-strategy | Jul 18 10:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-enterprisersproject.com | 5 ways fear can derail your digital transformation strategy | The Enterprisers Project | Jul 18 10:47 | |
| matey | giving dissidents tools that save their lives outside the jurisdiction of 6 eyes still seems like a good thing | Jul 18 10:47 |
| matey | even if its done for less than noble reasons | Jul 18 10:47 |
| techrights-news | "report sponsored by Red Hat." = marketing BS https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/7/it-talent-upskilling-boost-digital-transformation | Jul 18 10:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-enterprisersproject.com | IT talent: How upskilling can help boost digital transformation | The Enterprisers Project | Jul 18 10:48 | |
| matey | if youre implying that tor doesnt save dissident lives, just say so | Jul 18 10:48 |
| matey | its better than dancing | Jul 18 10:48 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | we need universal solutions | Jul 18 10:48 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | not uses started by USAF | Jul 18 10:48 |
| matey | im not sure we do actually | Jul 18 10:48 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | or Navy | Jul 18 10:48 |
| matey | the cloud is a universal solution | Jul 18 10:48 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | whose? | Jul 18 10:48 |
| matey | universal solutions are single points of failure | Jul 18 10:48 |
| matey | you just said a few days ago that diversity is security | Jul 18 10:49 |
| matey | in an article-- maybe even a title | Jul 18 10:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | no, i mean, like gnu | Jul 18 10:49 |
| matey | now you say universal solutions | Jul 18 10:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | tor is like a us company | Jul 18 10:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | kde iss german mostyl | Jul 18 10:49 |
| matey | tor is a for-profit? | Jul 18 10:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | nginx used to be russian | Jul 18 10:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | maybe still is | Jul 18 10:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | ask the people who they are loyalt o | Jul 18 10:49 |
| matey | nginx used to be russian <- maybe written to destablise the west :) | Jul 18 10:50 |
| techrights-news | Simplify client connection configurations with service contexts | Red Hat Developer ⚓ https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/07/18/simplify-client-connection-configurations-service-contexts ䷉ Source: developers | Jul 18 10:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developers.redhat.com | Simplify client connection configurations with service contexts | Red Hat Developer | Jul 18 10:50 | |
| matey | youre fucked now, america! i give you: JAVASCRIPT! | Jul 18 10:50 |
| matey | duck and cover! it hasnt got strong typing! | Jul 18 10:50 |
| matey | (javascript is shit of course) | Jul 18 10:51 |
| matey | but their plan backfired when npm grabbed back | Jul 18 10:51 |
| matey | tor is a counterattack to russian nginx | Jul 18 10:51 |
| matey | its basically a free software cold war | Jul 18 10:51 |
| techrights-news | Community container images available for applications development https://fedoramagazine.org/community-container-images-available-for-applications-development/ | Jul 18 10:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoramagazine.org | Community container images available for applications development - Fedora Magazine | Jul 18 10:52 | |
| matey | i really cant figure which side systemd is supposed to be on though | Jul 18 10:52 |
| matey | maybe its a double agent | Jul 18 10:52 |
| matey | "this play is written to convince everyone that i should take over the world. i wrote it while drinking cof-fee. thats why i call it: javascript" | Jul 18 10:54 |
| matey | "pfff!" | Jul 18 10:54 |
| matey | "what?" | Jul 18 10:54 |
| matey | "nothing, whats the sequel called, activex?" | Jul 18 10:54 |
| matey | "listen" | Jul 18 10:54 |
| matey | "no, no, im sure 'npm' is going to be a hit on broadway" | Jul 18 10:54 |
| matey | it never ends though | Jul 18 10:56 |
| matey | after tor hits back with... itself, russia counters with reactos | Jul 18 10:56 |
| matey | a cunning plan to waste decades of peoples time | Jul 18 10:57 |
| matey | (but at this point that puts it on par with the linux kernel, so-- milestone! sort of) | Jul 18 10:57 |
| matey | reactos really is like a counterattack in every way | Jul 18 10:58 |
| matey | but you know what will bring reactos to its knees? | Jul 18 10:58 |
| matey | almost anything. | Jul 18 10:58 |
| matey | really is like a counterattack <- i mean a russian one | Jul 18 10:58 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▆▇▅▄▆█▅▅▅▄▆▅▆▅▄▆▄▄▆▄▅▆▃▅▆▅▃▄▅▂▅▆▇▁ avg(k/sec) 28.10 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▁▂▂▂▁▁▂▁▁▁▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▁▂▁▁▁▁▂▁ avg(k/sec) 4.58▕ swarm size (avg): 0 ⟲ | Jul 18 10:59 |
| matey | also jeff goldblum missed an opportunity | Jul 18 10:59 |
| matey | he disabled an alien ship with a virus called jolly roger | Jul 18 10:59 |
| matey | if he was really brutal, he would have uploaded clippy | Jul 18 11:00 |
| matey | HI! IT LOOKS LIKE YOURE TRYING TO INVADE EARTH! CAN I HELP? | Jul 18 11:00 |
| matey | that would have set the aliens back for centuries | Jul 18 11:00 |
| matey | the updates alone would have kept the ships inoperable during crucial moments | Jul 18 11:01 |
| matey | i mean seriously, if you want to be sure a computer isnt operational | Jul 18 11:01 |
| matey | why would you trust ordinary malware to be as terrible as a microsoft product? | Jul 18 11:02 |
| matey | when you want something bad, get the very worst. | Jul 18 11:02 |
| matey | but if youre too cheap for that, just install systemd | Jul 18 11:02 |
| matey | the conspiracy theory is it helps the nsa get in | Jul 18 11:03 |
| matey | theyre probably having as much trouble with it as we are. | Jul 18 11:03 |
| matey | "what the fuck is this? its not encrypted..." | Jul 18 11:03 |
| matey | "yeah, but i cant make an ounce of sense of it either" | Jul 18 11:04 |
| matey | "you think this is one of ours?" "no, ours has documentation and does what it says it does" | Jul 18 11:04 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | jeff goldblum focused too much on the escapting t-rexes | Jul 18 11:04 |
| matey | "must be one of israels" | Jul 18 11:04 |
| matey | jeff goldblum focused too much on the escapting t-rexe <- in fairness thats a reasonable priority if youre being chased by one | Jul 18 11:05 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | lol | Jul 18 11:05 |
| techrights-news | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167372 | Jul 18 11:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Jul 18 11:05 | |
| techrights-news | Red Hat / IBM leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167371 | Jul 18 11:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat / IBM leftovers | Tux Machines | Jul 18 11:05 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | trex compensates for its small "hands" with a very large jaw | Jul 18 11:05 |
| matey | but he also could have stopped for a minute to see what jake appelbaum and jill bahring were doing | Jul 18 11:06 |
| *Skywave has quit (connection closed) | Jul 18 11:06 | |
| matey | trex compensates for its small "hands" with a very large jaw | Jul 18 11:06 |
| *Skywave (~SkywaveC3@6n2uh6ku4pmg4.irc) has joined #techrights | Jul 18 11:06 | |
| matey | bahring were doing im sure if trex were around today it would have enormous speakers too | Jul 18 11:06 |
| matey | actually i think it did, maybe thats how ricing started | Jul 18 11:06 |
| matey | t-ricing | Jul 18 11:06 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | lol | Jul 18 11:06 |
| matey | And the other males who we were with were basically just kind of running away from dinosaurs and don’t really seem to see anything wrong with it, which is really quite distressing | Jul 18 11:07 |
| matey | jeff goldblum is a rape apologist | Jul 18 11:08 |
| matey | and a mac user | Jul 18 11:08 |
| matey | as if the first thing wasnt bad enough | Jul 18 11:09 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | pear user | Jul 18 11:09 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | anagram | Jul 18 11:09 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | of... | Jul 18 11:09 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | pear statistics | Jul 18 11:09 |
| matey | pear apologist! | Jul 18 11:09 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | pair pprogramming | Jul 18 11:10 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | copilot | Jul 18 11:10 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | http://techrights.org/2022/07/14/buried-or-spiked-alex-graveley-story/ | Jul 18 11:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Person Behind Microsoft’s GitHub/Copilot Does Not Want You to Know About $25,000 for Suffocating Asian Woman (Almost to Death), Repeatedly in Fact, and There Are Prior Victims Too | Techrights | Jul 18 11:10 | |
| matey | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRguZr0xCOc | Jul 18 11:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Invidious: https://invidious.esmailelbob.xyz/watch?v=hRguZr0xCOc | Jul 18 11:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> invidious.esmailelbob.xyz | Jocko Homo (original version) - Invidious | Jul 18 11:10 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | mjg59_: you and Sharp shoudl write about him | Jul 18 11:11 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | you know | Jul 18 11:11 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | for social justice | Jul 18 11:11 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | he no longer works for Microsoft, I think | Jul 18 11:11 |
| matey | for great social justice | Jul 18 11:11 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | even for Microsoft it's too much | Jul 18 11:11 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | like Microsoft Peter | Jul 18 11:11 |
| matey | take off every dev | Jul 18 11:11 |
| matey | move dev | Jul 18 11:11 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Graveley is worse than Tso | Jul 18 11:11 |
| matey | you have no chance to present, make your time | Jul 18 11:11 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Tso: "Rape statistics" | Jul 18 11:13 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | garveley: "tiny asian women" | Jul 18 11:13 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | quote | Jul 18 11:13 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | http://techrights.org/2021/12/27/lust-to-the-graveley/ | Jul 18 11:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft GitHub Exposé — Part XII — Life of Disorderly Conduct and Lust | Techrights | Jul 18 11:14 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | "the body of a 12 year old girl" | Jul 18 11:14 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Microsoft 40+ year old engs | Jul 18 11:14 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | wanting "the body of a 12 year old girl" | Jul 18 11:14 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | "well, he's dead" | Jul 18 11:14 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | no pettiion in github | Jul 18 11:15 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | instead | Jul 18 11:15 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | github promotes copilot | Jul 18 11:15 |
| matey | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRguZr0xCOc <- 1:04 the eleventh doctor photobombs a 20th century music video | Jul 18 11:15 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | made by Mr. "the body of a 12 year old girl" | Jul 18 11:15 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | SJWs: silence | Jul 18 11:15 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | nothing to see here | Jul 18 11:15 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | RMS looked at somkeone "funny" | Jul 18 11:15 |
| matey | stalin killed people for less | Jul 18 11:15 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | "the body of a 12 year old girl" | Jul 18 11:15 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | the "crime" of "walking all over the pavement" | Jul 18 11:16 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | https://yewtu.be/watch?v=BiqDZlAZygU | Jul 18 11:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | In full: Rowan Atkinson on free speech - Invidious | Jul 18 11:16 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | matey: walking all over the pavement in leningrad | Jul 18 11:17 |
| *schestowitz[TR2] just finished all the top fronting of a cake | Jul 18 11:18 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | *frosting | Jul 18 11:19 |
| *schestowitz[TR2] feels guilty | Jul 18 11:19 | |
| techrights-news | Links 18/07/2022: More on Microsoft’s Assault Against Free Software | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/07/18/assault-against-free-software/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/18/assault-against-free-software/ | Jul 18 11:19 |
| matey | roy eats the frosting off the top of a cake | Jul 18 11:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 18/07/2022: More on Microsoft’s Assault Against Free Software | Techrights | Jul 18 11:19 | |
| matey | only a rape apologist would do something like that | Jul 18 11:19 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | I ' straightened' the cake | Jul 18 11:19 |
| matey | youre a cake denier | Jul 18 11:19 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | it was decorative fronting | Jul 18 11:20 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | we got the cake third price at tesco | Jul 18 11:20 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | *frosting | Jul 18 11:20 |
| matey | it was decorative fronting <- thats from a conspiracy theory website | Jul 18 11:20 |
| matey | we got the cake third price at tesco < - so you admit youre a thief | Jul 18 11:20 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | it did feel like a steal | Jul 18 11:21 |
| matey | did you or did you not pay full price? | Jul 18 11:21 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | sometimes stuff there is 90% off or more | Jul 18 11:21 |
| matey | sometimes stuff there is 90% off or more <- so youve stolen more than once! | Jul 18 11:21 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | two people carrying backpacks of food for less than a tenner | Jul 18 11:21 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | obv. theft | Jul 18 11:21 |
| matey | personally i wouldnt want any shoplifters at libreplanet | Jul 18 11:21 |
| matey | i dont know anyone else who would be comfortable around such criminals | Jul 18 11:22 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | deb icaza?> | Jul 18 11:22 |
| matey | two people carrying backpacks of food for less than a tenner <- so you lead accomplices | Jul 18 11:22 |
| matey | how long have you been involved in organised crime? | Jul 18 11:22 |
| matey | deb icaza? <- deli, perhaps | Jul 18 11:22 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | "nflation, maaaan" | Jul 18 11:22 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | btw | Jul 18 11:23 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | de icaza | Jul 18 11:23 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | apparently sacked | Jul 18 11:23 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | I was told | Jul 18 11:23 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | but I need moore hard proof | Jul 18 11:23 |
| matey | he wasnt sacked | Jul 18 11:23 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | fridman the same, psydroid2 | Jul 18 11:23 |
| matey | they just did some de-icazing | Jul 18 11:23 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | *iedman | Jul 18 11:23 |
| Ariadne | sacked? probably retirement | Jul 18 11:23 |
| matey | they should do some de-ICEing too | Jul 18 11:23 |
| Ariadne | they should, but it's not likely to happen while the GSA exists | Jul 18 11:24 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | de icazw was involved in some scnadal | Jul 18 11:24 |
| Ariadne | almost all government buying goes through GSA | Jul 18 11:24 |
| Ariadne | if you snub ICE, you snub all | Jul 18 11:24 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | [11:41] <xxxx> Yeah I know that Miguel got kicked out[11:41] | Jul 18 11:25 |
| matey | wow, f street. | Jul 18 11:25 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | [11:41] <xxxx> Someone told me there was some beef with the Azure team[11:41] | Jul 18 11:25 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Microsft OWNS Mono now | Jul 18 11:26 |
| matey | caveat azure | Jul 18 11:26 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | so I guess miguel has only a pile of money | Jul 18 11:26 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | from novell and microsoft | Jul 18 11:26 |
| Ariadne | https://www.linkedin.com/in/migueld1 | Jul 18 11:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 999 @ https://www.linkedin.com/in/migueld1 ) | Jul 18 11:26 | |
| Ariadne | according to this, he is indeed out | Jul 18 11:26 |
| matey | he will cry all the way to the bank | Jul 18 11:26 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | laura and miguel can now make a couple dozen more offspring | Jul 18 11:27 |
| matey | Microsft OWNS Mono now <- systemd too | Jul 18 11:27 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | sort of | Jul 18 11:27 |
| matey | ew | Jul 18 11:27 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | it's OK, Microsoft is "?Linux company", according to SJVN | Jul 18 11:28 |
| matey | thats all stallman needs now, is an alien jumping out of his chest | Jul 18 11:28 |
| Ariadne | lol i ripped him for that | Jul 18 11:28 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | it's involved in Linux | Jul 18 11:28 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | like... how to make it not boot on laptops | Jul 18 11:28 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | and making it seems like "security" | Jul 18 11:28 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | not an antitrust matter | Jul 18 11:28 |
| matey | ceocurity | Jul 18 11:29 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | genetics | Jul 18 11:29 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | geneticsec | Jul 18 11:29 |
| matey | geneticssimmons | Jul 18 11:29 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | genethttp://techrights.org/2019/11/09/upc-think-tanks/ | Jul 18 11:29 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | http://techrights.org/2020/09/27/salesforce-works-for-ice/ | Jul 18 11:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The OSI’s President Apparently Does Not Know That His Own Employer (Salesforce) Works for ICE | Techrights | Jul 18 11:30 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | http://techrights.org/2022/04/19/tidelift-concern-troll/ | Jul 18 11:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Tidelift is Connected to Microsoft and It Does Not Spread a Positive Message for the Free/Open Source Community | Techrights | Jul 18 11:30 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | also simmons ^ | Jul 18 11:30 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | http://techrights.org/2019/11/09/upc-think-tanks/ | Jul 18 11:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Think Tanks, Bristows, ‘Simmons’ and ‘Birds’ Can Only Ever Lie to Us About the Dead Unified Patent Court (UPC) | Techrights | Jul 18 11:30 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Simmons and Simmons | Jul 18 11:30 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | patent litigation fanatics | Jul 18 11:30 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Salesforce-GitHub-Avatar-Josh-Simmons.jpg | Jul 18 11:30 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | The president of today’s ‘Open Source’ Initiative is outsourcing his work to proprietary software of Microsoft | Jul 18 11:31 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | both co-founders of the OSI also quit or were banned | Jul 18 11:31 |
| matey | s/buttafuoco/simmons/ | Jul 18 11:31 |
| matey | "David Letterman, in his last year of hosting “Late Night with David Letterman,” discussed the incident so often that Buttafuoco’s name was a recurring punchline" | Jul 18 11:32 |
| matey | "In 2002, Buttafuoco participated in the Fox Network’s “Celebrity Boxing,” originally slated to oppose John Wayne Bobbitt, who dropped out owing to being arrested for domestic abuse." | Jul 18 11:32 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | is Letterman still alive? | Jul 18 11:32 |
| matey | s/out/off/ | Jul 18 11:32 |
| matey | isdavidlettermanstillalive.com | Jul 18 11:32 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Night_with_David_Letterman | Jul 18 11:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Late Night with David Letterman - Wikipedia | Jul 18 11:32 | |
| matey | i dont know if thats a real url, but it is the internet | Jul 18 11:32 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Night_with_David_Letterman#/media/File:Jerry_Lewis_with_David_Letterman.jpg | Jul 18 11:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Late Night with David Letterman - Wikipedia | Jul 18 11:33 | |
| matey | Letterman (sports), a classification of high school or college athlete in the United States | Jul 18 11:33 |
| matey | letterman is 6 years older than rms | Jul 18 11:34 |
| matey | but i think he looks more than 6 years older | Jul 18 11:34 |
| matey | maybe he used to work for jim zemlin | Jul 18 11:34 |
| matey | stupid dev tricks | Jul 18 11:35 |
| techrights-news | As per revelations amid Snowden's NSA leaks, security is not their goal https://thehackernews.com/2022/07/juniper-releases-patches-for-critical.html | Jul 18 11:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thehackernews.com | Juniper Releases Patches for Critical Flaws in Junos OS and Contrail Networking | Jul 18 11:35 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | hehe | Jul 18 11:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | working for James and Sheela Microsoft Foundation makes you look older? | Jul 18 11:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | The first CTO was Ian Murdock | Jul 18 11:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | and he hanged himself | Jul 18 11:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | with help from SFPF | Jul 18 11:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | *SFPD | Jul 18 11:36 |
| matey | working for James and Sheela Microsoft Foundation makes you look older? <- didnt one of your own articles imply as much? | Jul 18 11:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | let me check the xact framing | Jul 18 11:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | http://techrights.org/2019/10/08/torvalds-age/ | Jul 18 11:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Corporate Disciplining Bad for One’s Health | Techrights | Jul 18 11:38 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | "Disciplining" | Jul 18 11:38 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | "Losing control over one’s project after nearly 30 years apparently takes its toll on a person" | Jul 18 11:38 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 2018 and 2019 | Jul 18 11:39 |
| matey | "Losing control over one’s project after nearly 30 years apparently takes its toll on a person" <- with a picture of torvalds looking fairly old | Jul 18 11:39 |
| matey | with jim the impaler | Jul 18 11:40 |
| matey | aka mac the knife | Jul 18 11:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | http://techrights.org/2021/11/21/sending-linus-torvalds-to-therapists/ | Jul 18 11:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] They Send Linus Torvalds to Therapists While Microsoft Pays Their Full Salary | Techrights | Jul 18 11:40 | |
| matey | which rapists? | Jul 18 11:40 |
| matey | sending-linus-torvalds-to-therapists | Jul 18 11:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Linus-Torvalds-spanked.gif | Jul 18 11:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | http://techrights.org/2022/05/15/half-a-decade-torvalds/ | Jul 18 11:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | What a Difference Half a Decade Makes (When Linux Foundation is ‘Having Fun’) | Techrights | Jul 18 11:41 | |
| matey | typo | Jul 18 11:41 |
| matey | should be http://techrights.org/2021/11/21/sending-linus-torvalds-to-therapeapologists | Jul 18 11:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://techrights.org/2021/11/21/sending-linus-torvalds-to-therapeapologists ) | Jul 18 11:41 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | the rapists | Jul 18 11:41 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | therapy statictics | Jul 18 11:41 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | most people cannot be cured | Jul 18 11:41 |
| matey | saying people can be cured of being rapists sounds a lot like rape apologism | Jul 18 11:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/zemlin-torvalds.jpg | Jul 18 11:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | gotta go steal | Jul 18 11:42 |
| matey | rape apologism is what makes rape apologists, and all it takes is one little rapeseed | Jul 18 11:43 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | noon they mark down the foods | Jul 18 11:43 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | bbl | Jul 18 11:43 |
| matey | stealing is killing tesco (and its illegal) | Jul 18 11:43 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | (some of us don't get 6-figure salary, hardly a quarter that) | Jul 18 11:43 |
| matey | we cant all be mitchell baker | Jul 18 11:43 |
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| MinceR | 18 061802 < DaemonFC> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Drop_i686_JDKs | Jul 18 12:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoraproject.org | Changes/Drop i686 JDKs - Fedora Project Wiki | Jul 18 12:39 | |
| MinceR | i love their argumentation for it | Jul 18 12:39 |
| MinceR | "we no longer ship it, therefore it no longer ties your hands, so it's great for you!" | Jul 18 12:40 |
| MinceR | who cares if anyone was actually _using_ it | Jul 18 12:40 |
| MinceR | lol @ "Bad reasonable." | Jul 18 12:43 |
| MinceR | maybe fedora/ibm could stop shipping distros at all, thus no longer tying developers' hands | Jul 18 12:54 |
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| MinceR | (cat) https://ircz.de/p/22071242 | Jul 18 13:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/4ve387sgsva91.jpg created on 2022-07-12 16:51:39.910371 | Jul 18 13:29 | |
| techrights-news | Kink aesthetics gemini://republic.circumlunar.space/users/flexibeast/gemlog/2021-04-24.gmi | Jul 18 14:02 |
| techrights-news | Spooky Anime #1 gemini://oubliette.smol.pub/xanime1 | Jul 18 14:03 |
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| Ariadne | MinceR: problem is 32-bit archs are increasingly becoming unsupported by upstream devs | Jul 18 14:26 |
| MinceR | i understand, but that won't help someone who's trying to run a jdk on a 32bit system | Jul 18 14:34 |
| MinceR | they might manage to not run afoul of the bugs if they just had the last official version | Jul 18 14:34 |
| techrights-news | Gemini Radio: Episode 43 gemini://kwiecien.us/gemcast/20220718.gmi | Jul 18 14:34 |
| techrights-news | Got EPO leaks. Long publication ahead. ETA 30 mins. | Jul 18 14:35 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | very hot here today, but not yet humid | Jul 18 14:42 |
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| techrights-news | 4 Years of Monopoly Tony (Mr. Campinos) Violating the Rights of Free Association/Expression/Speech as EPO President | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/07/18/battistelli-the-second-vs-speech/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/18/battistelli-the-second-vs-speech/ | Jul 18 15:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | 4 Years of Monopoly Tony (Mr. Campinos) Violating the Rights of Free Association/Expression/Speech as EPO President | Techrights | Jul 18 15:30 | |
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| techrights-news | "I've been a pseudo conspiracy junkie since I was very young" gemini://pluviam95.smol.pub/entry10 | Jul 18 15:32 |
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| techrights-news | a game in my head gemini://cyi1341.smol.pub/random8 | Jul 18 15:32 |
| techrights-news | Communicating with colleagues is a right; what the EPO did for nearly a decade was a violation of rights; Campinos violated these rights for 4 years and even showed his teeth (along with Barking Bergot, the Battistelli Bulldog he inherited and kept) just months after his term had started http://techrights.org/2022/07/18/battistelli-the-second-vs-speech/ | Jul 18 15:35 |
| psydroid2 | OpenBSD 32-bit to the rescue | Jul 18 15:35 |
| britney | people still run 32-bit systems? | Jul 18 15:45 |
| MinceR | yes, people do | Jul 18 15:52 |
| MinceR | for example, the last ThinkPad without IME or UEFI has only 32bit CPUs available | Jul 18 15:52 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/22070954 | Jul 18 15:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/56oq5q1fkx991.jpg created on 2022-07-09 15:26:39.371893 | Jul 18 15:57 | |
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| techrights-news | Libre Computer ROC-RK3328-CC now supports Ubuntu 22.04 with Linux 5.18.2 • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167373 | Jul 18 16:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Libre Computer ROC-RK3328-CC now supports Ubuntu 22.04 with Linux 5.18.2 | Tux Machines | Jul 18 16:15 | |
| techrights-news | Mixtile Edge 2 Kit IoT edge computer supports Linux & Android • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167374 | Jul 18 16:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mixtile Edge 2 Kit IoT edge computer supports Linux & Android | Tux Machines | Jul 18 16:16 | |
| techrights-news | AppFlowy: An Open-Source Alternative to Notion • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167375 | Jul 18 16:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | AppFlowy: An Open-Source Alternative to Notion | Tux Machines | Jul 18 16:16 | |
| techrights-news | Disentangling the Debian derivatives: Which should you use? • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167376 | Jul 18 16:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Disentangling the Debian derivatives: Which should you use? | Tux Machines | Jul 18 16:16 | |
| techrights-news | Asahi Linux adds support for Macs with M2 chips • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167377 | Jul 18 16:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Asahi Linux adds support for Macs with M2 chips | Tux Machines | Jul 18 16:16 | |
| techrights-news | Google #Android Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167378 | Jul 18 16:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jul 18 16:16 | |
| techrights-news | SpellBinding: CELNTXY Wordo: IMPEL gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-07-18.gmi | Jul 18 16:27 |
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| MinceR | (that is, without modifying the firmware) | Jul 18 16:32 |
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| SomeH4x0r | hi | Jul 18 16:33 |
| matey | hi | Jul 18 16:33 |
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| matey | o/ | Jul 18 16:33 |
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| SomeH4x0r | I keep trying to find a good IRC client for Android (cuddlybear66 is on XMPP, she only appears on IRC sometimes) | Jul 18 16:34 |
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| matey | I keep trying to find a good IRC client for Android | Jul 18 16:34 |
| matey | she already uses one for the command line | Jul 18 16:35 |
| SomeH4x0r | are there irssi builds for Android? | Jul 18 16:35 |
| matey | she doesnt need one | Jul 18 16:35 |
| matey | connectbot from android to the pc, then use the command line client from there | Jul 18 16:36 |
| SomeH4x0r | and are the terminal emulators available good enough not to drop the connection when minimized | Jul 18 16:36 |
| matey | i dont know, android sucks | Jul 18 16:36 |
| SomeH4x0r | are "Linux phones" any good? | Jul 18 16:37 |
| SomeH4x0r | some say Pinephone sucks, and I don't know others | Jul 18 16:37 |
| matey | i dont know, linux and phones suck | Jul 18 16:37 |
| matey | some say Pinephone sucks <- they suck | Jul 18 16:37 |
| matey | no im not entirely serious about that | Jul 18 16:37 |
| matey | im not aware of pinephone sucking | Jul 18 16:38 |
| matey | i mean if connectbot doesnt work to her liking from android | Jul 18 16:39 |
| matey | just use a webclient | Jul 18 16:39 |
| matey | "ah but webclients suck" | Jul 18 16:39 |
| matey | yeah well, so does android | Jul 18 16:39 |
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| matey | but the if was conditional | Jul 18 16:39 |
| matey | id never connect from android / phone to pc without making the phone its own account on the latter | Jul 18 16:40 |
| matey | i assume every phone to be compromised | Jul 18 16:40 |
| matey | make sure the tinfoil is at least 2-ply | Jul 18 16:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | how many tissues? | Jul 18 16:41 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | I beiove I can ply | Jul 18 16:41 |
| matey | /me wont even re-ply to that | Jul 18 16:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | your loos | Jul 18 16:42 |
| matey | /me holds his nose | Jul 18 16:42 |
| matey | after what happened with tso | Jul 18 16:44 |
| matey | its definitely pronounced lie-nux | Jul 18 16:44 |
| matey | and fuck wikipedia too | Jul 18 16:44 |
| matey | corporate fucking shills | Jul 18 16:44 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | simmonspedia | Jul 18 16:45 |
| matey | lol | Jul 18 16:45 |
| matey | the simmons thing is more of a tongue in cheek meme at this point | Jul 18 16:45 |
| matey | hes an idiot, but not the most notable or anything | Jul 18 16:45 |
| matey | he didnt even sign the letter | Jul 18 16:46 |
| matey | wait | Jul 18 16:46 |
| matey | nope, only josh. not gene. | Jul 18 16:46 |
| matey | if you dont love k.i.s.s., youre an anti-semite | Jul 18 16:46 |
| matey | if youre jewish and dont love k.i.s.s. youre self-hating | Jul 18 16:47 |
| SomeH4x0r | I did mention web clients, but I see them as password stealers | Jul 18 16:49 |
| matey | julia child was a rcrêpe apologist | Jul 18 16:50 |
| matey | /me throws keyboard out window, gets another | Jul 18 16:50 |
| matey | fucker | Jul 18 16:50 |
| SomeH4x0r | at least, the two public ones that I know (KiwiIRC, Mibbit) | Jul 18 16:50 |
| matey | julia child was a crêpe apologist | Jul 18 16:50 |
| techrights-news | Freedom of Speech Cannot Coexist With Crime at the EPO | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/07/18/freedom-of-speech-epo/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/18/freedom-of-speech-epo/ | Jul 18 16:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Freedom of Speech Cannot Coexist With Crime at the EPO | Techrights | Jul 18 16:50 | |
| SomeH4x0r | a private The Lounge setup is bouncer-level (depends on the place where you set it up) | Jul 18 16:50 |
| matey | as long as she uses a command line client on the pc, im going to recommend she ssh to her pc from her phone | Jul 18 16:52 |
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| matey | that way she has all the advantages of her command line client (minus notifications) | Jul 18 16:52 |
| matey | 75% of android applications are github based | Jul 18 16:53 |
| matey | including connectbot. but you knew things were going to suck the minute you got an android | Jul 18 16:53 |
| matey | plus you said she uses tor | Jul 18 16:54 |
| matey | using her computer from her phone takes care of that | Jul 18 16:55 |
| matey | https://www.mashed.com/908133/the-unexpected-ingredient-julia-child-used-in-crepes/ (sesame oil) | Jul 18 16:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mashed.com | The Unexpected Ingredient Julia Child Used In Crêpes | Jul 18 16:57 | |
| matey | "You don't have to put it in at all." | Jul 18 16:58 |
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| techrights-news | The corruption in Europe’s second-largest institution and largest patent office has become so profound that the only way to sustain this corruption is to silence and/or intimidate those who speak about it http://techrights.org/2022/07/18/freedom-of-speech-epo/ | Jul 18 17:01 |
| techrights-news | Razik Alex Menidjel: Software Patents Guru or Career-Climbing Poser Who Never Wrote Code? | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/07/18/razik-alex-menidjel-swpats/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/18/razik-alex-menidjel-swpats/ | Jul 18 17:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Razik Alex Menidjel: Software Patents Guru or Career-Climbing Poser Who Never Wrote Code? | Techrights | Jul 18 17:11 | |
| techrights-news | The EPO‘s most notorious French dictator promoted a compatriot, Razik Menidjel, who was later promoted by another Frenchman, António Campinos, the “f***ing president” (in his own words) who expects to be in the Office for a decade, promoting European software patents in violation of the EPC http://techrights.org/2022/07/18/razik-alex-menidjel-swpats/ | Jul 18 17:24 |
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| techrights-news | The only democracy in the middle east??? https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2022-07-18/ty-article/.premium/nsos-pegasus-software-was-used-against-thai-pro-democracy-activists-report-says/00000182-0dd8-d5f6-abe3-0ffbc44d0000 | Jul 18 17:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.haaretz.com | NO TITLE | Jul 18 17:26 | |
| techrights-news | "Ariadne Conill explores ways to make the Unix cat utility more efficient on Linux." https://lwn.net/Articles/901707/ | Jul 18 17:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Conill: How efficient can cat(1) be? [LWN.net] | Jul 18 17:27 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | hi elephant (activelow) | Jul 18 17:32 |
| techrights-news | Internal Roblox Documents Hacked and Posted Online https://www.maketecheasier.com/internal-roblox-documents-hacked/ | Jul 18 17:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | Internal Roblox Documents Hacked and Posted Online - Make Tech Easier | Jul 18 17:33 | |
| techrights-news | Hacker's Corner: Complete Guide to Anti-Debugging in Linux - Part 3 ⚓ https://linuxsecurity.com/features/hacker-s-corner-complete-guide-to-anti-debugging-in-linux-part-3 ䷉ Source: linuxsecurity | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//linuxsecurity.com/features/hacker-s-corner-complete-guide-to-anti-debugging-in-linux-part-3 | Jul 18 17:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxsecurity.com | Hacker's Corner: Complete Guide to Anti-Debugging in Linux - Part 3 | Jul 18 17:34 | |
| techrights-news | Implementing Zero-Trust on Kubernetes - Container Journal ⚓ https://containerjournal.com/features/implementing-zero-trust-on-kubernetes/ ䷉ Source: containerjournal | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//containerjournal.com/features/implementing-zero-trust-on-kubernetes/ | Jul 18 17:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-containerjournal.com | Implementing Zero-Trust on Kubernetes - Container Journal | Jul 18 17:38 | |
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| techrights-news | 36 degrees here today and tomorrow gemini://caolan.uk/cgi-bin/weather.py/wxfcs/352509 gemini://auragem.space/weather/imperial/location?manchester%2C%20uk | Jul 18 17:41 |
| techrights-news | The reTerminal E10-1, the First Expansion Board for the reTerminal • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167379 | Jul 18 17:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The reTerminal E10-1, the First Expansion Board for the reTerminal | Tux Machines | Jul 18 17:42 | |
| techrights-news | Security Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167380 | Jul 18 17:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jul 18 17:42 | |
| techrights-news | Tor Browser 11.5 Adds Automatic Censorship Detection With HTTPS-Only Mode as Default http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167272#comment-34380 | Jul 18 17:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | New Release: Tor Browser 11.5 | Tux Machines | Jul 18 17:42 | |
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| techrights-ipfs-bot | (ℹ) Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-17.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-18.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi | Jul 18 18:30 |
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| matey | We have become sadly familiar with the terms “misinformation and disinformation” and the need to critically examine the agendas and mindsets motivating these campaigns as well as check the facts behind their assertions. To our collective social woe, disinformation succeeds because so many people care deeply about injustice but do not take the time to study the facts before passing along or acting on disinformation. | Jul 18 18:53 |
| matey | Hannah Wolfman-Jones[1] had already chosen Stallman as a coauthor when the call for his cancellation broke up in September 2019. Confronted with a dilemma, Hannah sought the advice of coauthor Nadine Strossen[2]. Here are her thoughts and the response she received from Nadine, extracted verbatim with their permission from the original article (worth reading.) | Jul 18 18:54 |
| matey | As someone who had recently become an associate of thought-criminal Richard Stallman, I would be lying if I said this guilt-by-association didn’t give me pause. The idea of my name being smeared all over the internet by a mob of strangers is not particularly appealing. It’s the type of thing that makes one not want to speak up at all: a real chilling effect. | Jul 18 18:54 |
| XRevan86 | https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/07/18/russias-parliament-to-consider-bill-on-propaganda-of-non-traditional-relationships-in-media-news "Russia’s parliament to consider bill on “propaganda of non-traditional relationships in media”" | Jul 18 18:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-novayagazeta.eu | Новая газета. Европа | Jul 18 18:55 | |
| XRevan86 | https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/07/18/rbc-tour-promoters-legally-discourage-russian-artists-from-making-political-statements-news "Tour promoters legally discourage Russian artists from making political statements" | Jul 18 18:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-novayagazeta.eu | Новая газета. Европа | Jul 18 18:55 | |
| matey | Nadine Strossen is an American civil liberties advocate and feminist. She served as president of the ACLU from 1991 to 2008 (Archived). She is a John Marshall Harlan II Professor of Law, Emerita (Archived). Strossen has been called a “civil liberties luminary” for her life long commitment to the rights of women, children, the oppressed, and freedom of speech. She has written extensively on these subjects and constitutional law. | Jul 18 18:55 |
| XRevan86 | https://pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/07/18/7358807/ | Jul 18 18:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pravda.com.ua | Dnipro missile strike: death toll rises to 4 | Ukrainska Pravda | Jul 18 18:56 | |
| matey | According to the Atlantic, a full 80 percent of Americans believe that "political correctness is a problem in our country." While today some smear the free speech movement as a “racist dog-whistle” or a “far-right talking point,” it turns out the numbers don’t fit that narrative. | Jul 18 18:56 |
| matey | Turns out just about everyone thinks we need more free speech | Jul 18 18:56 |
| matey | This includes large pluralities of all races (e.g. 75% of African Americans, 87% of Hispanics) and all ages (e.g. 79% of Americans under age 24). | Jul 18 18:56 |
| matey | 80% of americans think we should have speech without consequences! | Jul 18 18:56 |
| matey | thank god for the 20% mob! | Jul 18 18:56 |
| matey | thank god for 25% of african americans and THIRTEEN percent of hispanics, brave enough to wipe their shit with the idea of public discourse unfettered by neopuritan thought police | Jul 18 18:57 |
| matey | theyre a real service to humanity, as are the (mostly white) lowlifes leading the charge against... | Jul 18 18:58 |
| matey | ultimately, standing against corporations | Jul 18 18:58 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▆▇▅▄▆█▅▅▅▄▆▅▆▅▄▆▄▄▆▄▅▆▃▅▆▅▃▄▅▂▅▆▇▁ avg(k/sec) 28.10 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▁▂▂▂▁▁▂▁▁▁▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▁▂▁▁▁▁▂▁ avg(k/sec) 4.58▕ swarm size (avg): 0 ⟲ | Jul 18 18:59 |
| matey | since their chess moves always lead to corporate overthrow (which they claim to be against-- either because theyre lying, or incompetent) | Jul 18 18:59 |
| matey | fake progressives, two-faced pretend liberators | Jul 18 18:59 |
| matey | scum | Jul 18 19:00 |
| matey | they do more to hurt the credibility of the causes they cower behind, borrowing (stealing) credibility from | Jul 18 19:00 |
| matey | at least until people figure out the causes themselves are innocent | Jul 18 19:00 |
| matey | A 2017 poll of 2,300 U.S. adults, found that 71% Americans believe that political correctness has silenced important discussions our society needs to have | Jul 18 19:01 |
| matey | All over an email voicing a perspective shared by a world-renowned civil-rights lawyer and feminist. | Jul 18 19:02 |
| matey | a perspective SHARED by a world-renowned civil-rights lawyer and feminis | Jul 18 19:02 |
| matey | Voicing such a perspective was even decried as “abuse!” because it was so politically incorrect, but what happens if society gets “politically correct” wrong? And if we don’t allow the “politically incorrect” amongst us to speak, how will we ever know what stances considered “politically correct” are morally wrong? | Jul 18 19:02 |
| matey | My name is Bohdan Kovalchuk. I am a leader of the NGO “Ukrainian Liberation” (Kyiv, Ukraine). The goal of my organization is to promote and spread the knowledge and the use of Free Software in my country. | Jul 18 19:04 |
| matey | While I am writing this text to you, I can hear the air sirens —we have yet another threat of attack. I don't know how many times I've heard this sound in the past few days. My country is in the middle of bloody war. This war was started by the insidious aggressor, the Russian Armed Forces led by the notorious dictator Vladimir Putin. Ordinary Ukrainians, women and children, are dying. | Jul 18 19:04 |
| matey | But we are not afraid. They will not break us. Now Vladimir Putin is talking about nuclear missiles. But his “talk” can't break our spirit either. | Jul 18 19:05 |
| matey | More than 4000 Russian servicemen have died in five days of military confrontation on Ukrainian soil. And resistance continues. | Jul 18 19:05 |
| matey | Civilians throw themselves under the tanks in an attempt to stop them from moving further into Ukraine. | Jul 18 19:05 |
| matey | Ordinary Ukrainians disarm tanks and armored vehicles with bare hands. | Jul 18 19:05 |
| matey | BUT THAT DOESNT SCALE! | Jul 18 19:05 |
| matey | so fucking what | Jul 18 19:06 |
| matey | Ordinary Ukrainians disarm tanks and armored vehicles with bare hands. | Jul 18 19:06 |
| matey | fucking a | Jul 18 19:06 |
| matey | Often at the expense of their own lives, because the aggressors kill everyone, regardless of whether they are military or civilians. | Jul 18 19:06 |
| matey | I am sure, the FLOSS Community has reliable sources of information (and the ability to think clearly) and knows about this situation already. So I will cut to the chase since I don't have much time (and, to be honest, mental or physical strength) to paint the picture in more graphic detail. | Jul 18 19:06 |
| matey | I appeal to the FLOSS Community, the GNU project, and the FSF because I know that these organizations are defending rights of Freedom and Respect very actively and effectively: we need your help. Once, Richard Stallman said, | Jul 18 19:07 |
| matey | Geeks like to think that they can ignore politics; you can leave politics alone, but politics won't leave you alone. | Jul 18 19:07 |
| XRevan86 | matey: This feels like an early post, March-April. | Jul 18 19:07 |
| matey | This is what's happening in my country. But it affects everyone because Ukraine not only defends itself —it defends human rights and peace, Freedom in every possible meaning. | Jul 18 19:07 |
| matey | Published on March 3, 2022 | Jul 18 19:08 |
| matey | very accurate | Jul 18 19:08 |
| matey | I am asking Russian citizens to fight the propaganda they are being exposed to. I urge them to find and read some pieces of news other than those that are being fed to them by the Kremlin. I ask them to find the courage to help us fight their insane dictator Vladimir Putin. | Jul 18 19:08 |
| XRevan86 | Both because the situation in Kyiv is nowhere near are dire right now, and the number of deaths… well, the number of even just confirmed deaths is ~4700, per Mediazona and BBC. | Jul 18 19:09 |
| matey | I am not even asking, I am begging all hackers to provide an official position on the war in Ukraine and share it among as many people as possible, especially among those in Russia, as they are under active disinformation attack launched by the local authorities. I beg you to help freedom-loving Ukraine to stand for itself and the whole world. | Jul 18 19:09 |
| matey | Both because the situation in Kyiv is nowhere near are dire right now, and the number of deaths… well, the number of even just confirmed deaths is ~4700, per Mediazona and BBC. | Jul 18 19:09 |
| XRevan86 | (of the Russian soldiers) | Jul 18 19:09 |
| matey | i was honestly disappointed to see how little the article said about stallman | Jul 18 19:10 |
| matey | its clearly in support-- its certainly relevant too | Jul 18 19:10 |
| matey | propaganda, etc | Jul 18 19:11 |
| XRevan86 | Bohdan had other things to worry about? | Jul 18 19:11 |
| matey | someone on social media asked why there were so many | Jul 18 19:11 |
| matey | Bohdan had other things to worry about? <- of course | Jul 18 19:11 |
| matey | but its on a website dedicated to defending stallman | Jul 18 19:11 |
| matey | and i think the article does make points that achieve that purpose. im not saying its entirely off topic | Jul 18 19:11 |
| matey | only it could have made the connection a little more clear (in a perfect world-- which it was obviously not written from!) | Jul 18 19:12 |
| techrights-news | Alpine 3.16.1 released • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167381 | Jul 18 19:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Alpine 3.16.1 released | Tux Machines | Jul 18 19:12 | |
| matey | i mean the perfect world prerequisite would make the whole letter moot wouldnt it | Jul 18 19:12 |
| matey | it would be a perfect world | Jul 18 19:12 |
| matey | so no need | Jul 18 19:12 |
| matey | i certainly dont take offense to it | Jul 18 19:13 |
| matey | its a minor shame (by comparison, its a non-issue) | Jul 18 19:13 |
| matey | but he does say: | Jul 18 19:13 |
| matey | "human rights and peace, Freedom in every possible meaning." | Jul 18 19:13 |
| matey | and that if nothing else makes it relevant | Jul 18 19:13 |
| matey | to the topic of the website, imo | Jul 18 19:13 |
| techrights-news | Linux distro for Apple silicon Macs is already up and running on the brand-new M2 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167377#comment-34382 | Jul 18 19:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Asahi Linux adds support for Macs with M2 chips | Tux Machines | Jul 18 19:14 | |
| matey | the connection is clear enough | Jul 18 19:14 |
| matey | i wish it were just slightly more explicit about it | Jul 18 19:14 |
| matey | but its an imperfect world, of course | Jul 18 19:14 |
| matey | i certainly wouldnt write him to complain | Jul 18 19:14 |
| techrights-news | Rocky Linux 9 and its new build service enter the ring http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167237#comment-34381 | Jul 18 19:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Rocky Linux 9 Officially Released with GNOME 40 Desktop, Improved Security | Tux Machines | Jul 18 19:14 | |
| matey | that would be like the angry note left on the windshield of an ambulance for double parking | Jul 18 19:14 |
| matey | (when the ambulance is on duty) | Jul 18 19:15 |
| matey | i also notice he spells it kyiv | Jul 18 19:15 |
| XRevan86 | matey: Ye may have noticed I also spell everything this way. | Jul 18 19:16 |
| matey | as someone who only uses cyrillic via cut and paste, id be most likely to use the spelling of whomever i most admire (and preferably a native to the region obviously) | Jul 18 19:16 |
| XRevan86 | now | Jul 18 19:16 |
| matey | you use kyiv as well? | Jul 18 19:16 |
| XRevan86 | yes | Jul 18 19:16 |
| matey | oh, well | Jul 18 19:16 |
| matey | that does settle it | Jul 18 19:16 |
| matey | ^ not sarcasm | Jul 18 19:16 |
| matey | between you and this guy, its as good as consensus | Jul 18 19:17 |
| matey | with him, its simple admiration | Jul 18 19:17 |
| matey | with you, its your mercilous attention to detail | Jul 18 19:17 |
| XRevan86 | It's pretty obvious what spelling variant is going to settle, and if the decision is final, is there even a point in prescriptivist arguments against? | Jul 18 19:17 |
| matey | and if the decision is final <- i mean, its a bit like trans pronouns | Jul 18 19:17 |
| matey | language is finally settled by its speakers | Jul 18 19:17 |
| XRevan86 | It's like trying to spell it "iland" even though no one else does. | Jul 18 19:18 |
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| matey | whats wrong with a silent s? | Jul 18 19:18 |
| matey | (or an ilant s) | Jul 18 19:18 |
| matey | (yes this is completely inaccurate, its also a joke) | Jul 18 19:18 |
| XRevan86 | matey: It's only there in conflation with "isle". | Jul 18 19:18 |
| matey | ilse? | Jul 18 19:18 |
| matey | actually | Jul 18 19:19 |
| matey | island is very accurate | Jul 18 19:19 |
| matey | it IS LAND | Jul 18 19:19 |
| XRevan86 | matey: "isle" has an "s", so the English spellers have put an "s" into "iland". | Jul 18 19:19 |
| matey | serious question: when was it ever iland? | Jul 18 19:19 |
| XRevan86 | matey: In Middle English | Jul 18 19:19 |
| matey | thats terrible | Jul 18 19:19 |
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| matey | /me blames them for ipods, ipads, etc | Jul 18 19:20 |
| matey | ispods | Jul 18 19:20 |
| XRevan86 | matey: Hypercorrection at its finest. | Jul 18 19:20 |
| matey | ess-soda | Jul 18 19:20 |
| XRevan86 | Happens all the time: octopi, meese, et al. | Jul 18 19:20 |
| matey | yeah i did octopi on some | Jul 18 19:21 |
| matey | oh yes | Jul 18 19:21 |
| matey | spartaci :) | Jul 18 19:21 |
| XRevan86 | Irregular forms that are just made up on analogy. | Jul 18 19:21 |
| matey | if all of them were spartacus | Jul 18 19:21 |
| matey | that means they were all spartaci | Jul 18 19:21 |
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| matey | heil elephant! | Jul 18 19:21 |
| matey | but not really | Jul 18 19:21 |
| XRevan86 | matey: That doesn't work because it's actually true :) | Jul 18 19:21 |
| matey | That doesn't work because it's actually tru <- well, fuck | Jul 18 19:21 |
| matey | out of curiosity, why would that be the correct pluralisation? | Jul 18 19:22 |
| XRevan86 | matey: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Spartacus#Latin Because Latin. | Jul 18 19:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | Spartacus - Wiktionary | Jul 18 19:22 | |
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| matey | latin: because simple languages are no fun (not true) | Jul 18 19:23 |
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| XRevan86 | English is that kind of language that loans the plural declension too (sometimes). | Jul 18 19:23 |
| matey | english is basically calvinball | Jul 18 19:23 |
| matey | it does have some rules, i think | Jul 18 19:24 |
| techrights-news | KAIST Shows Off DirectCXL Disaggregated Memory Prototype ⚓ https://www.nextplatform.com/2022/07/18/kaist-shows-off-directcxl-disaggregated-memory-prototype/ ䷉ Source: nextplatform | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.nextplatform.com/2022/07/18/kaist-shows-off-directcxl-disaggregated-memory-prototype/ | Jul 18 19:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nextplatform.com | KAIST Shows Off DirectCXL Disaggregated Memory Prototype | Jul 18 19:24 | |
| matey | at least sometimes | Jul 18 19:24 |
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| matey | english has rules, you know | Jul 18 19:24 |
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| matey | because if you dont have them-- you cant break them | Jul 18 19:24 |
| XRevan86 | No other declensions though, otherwise… "I saw Spartacum, so I gave Spartaco a jelly baby" | Jul 18 19:24 |
| matey | ah yes, hello spartacus-- would you care for a jelly baby? | Jul 18 19:25 |
| techrights-news | AYANEO just declared WAR on SteamOS (Plus other Deck news) - Invidious ⚓ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=RLHuxNAlElo ䷉ Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//yewtu.be/watch?v=RLHuxNAlElo | Jul 18 19:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | AYANEO just declared WAR on SteamOS (Plus other Deck news) - Invidious | Jul 18 19:25 | |
| XRevan86 | No, that would be "Hello, Spartace" :) | Jul 18 19:25 |
| matey | or the earliest example of "if youre going to bring candy you have to share it with everyone" | Jul 18 19:25 |
| matey | now youre just being a smartace | Jul 18 19:26 |
| matey | :) | Jul 18 19:26 |
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| XRevan86 | matey: techrights-news received malformed line because of that pun. | Jul 18 19:26 |
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| XRevan86 | Not the only one. | Jul 18 19:26 |
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| techrights-news | "The 'column' command is a standard command line utility that is part of the util-linux package. What 'column' does is takes input and adds columns to the output. This is especially useful for files that have field separator characters like CSV files." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=NK3kbL7Mipc | Jul 18 19:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Display file contents in columns with the "column" command - Invidious | Jul 18 19:27 | |
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| schestowitz | Linux User Space: Episode 3:02: The Utopic Tale of Ubuntu ⚓ https://www.linuxuserspace.show/302 ䷉ Source: linuxuserspace "Linux User Space | Jul 18 19:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxuserspace.show | Linux User Space: Episode 3:02: The Utopic Tale of Ubuntu | Jul 18 19:28 | |
| schestowitz | A podcast focused on connecting user space and community | Jul 18 19:28 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 18 19:29 |
| techrights-news | What a dumb headline. Like ChromeOS, this one too uses Linux. https://windowsreport.com/steam-tesla/ | Jul 18 19:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-windowsreport.com | Steam is no longer just for Windows, Mac, and Linux users | Jul 18 19:37 | |
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| techrights-news | Another listening device https://www.addictivetips.com/android/what-is-bixby-home/ | Jul 18 19:40 |
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| techrights-news | Is Ubuntu a bad Linux Distro? - Invidious ⚓ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=nmBT7nmonFY ䷉ Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//yewtu.be/watch?v=nmBT7nmonFY | Jul 18 19:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Is Ubuntu a bad Linux Distro? - Invidious | Jul 18 19:41 | |
| SomeH4x0r | things are getting worse | Jul 18 19:41 |
| techrights-news | More spying https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/07/facebook-is-now-encrypting-links-to-prevent-url-stripping.html | Jul 18 19:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Facebook Is Now Encrypting Links to Prevent URL Stripping - Schneier on Security | Jul 18 19:42 | |
| AdmFubar | this one is for you roy! https://xkcd.com/2647/ | Jul 18 19:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: Capri Suns | Jul 18 19:50 | |
| techrights-news | WWW better off avoided where possible https://www.ghacks.net/2022/07/17/facebook-has-started-to-encrypt-links-to-counter-privacy-improving-url-stripping/ | Jul 18 19:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ghacks.net | Facebook has started to encrypt links to counter privacy-improving URL Stripping - gHacks Tech News | Jul 18 19:52 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | AdmFubar: thanks | Jul 18 19:52 |
| techrights-news | GNU Health - News: GNU Health project to implement REUSE compliance [Savannah] ⚓ http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=10208 ䷉ Source: savannah | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?http%3A//savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=10208 | Jul 18 19:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-savannah.gnu.org | GNU Health - News: GNU Health project to implement REUSE compliance [Savannah] | Jul 18 19:56 | |
| AdmFubar | y/w | Jul 18 19:56 |
| AdmFubar | ;) | Jul 18 19:56 |
| techrights-news | You know a slow news day when... https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ben-Widawsky-Leaves-Intel | Jul 18 19:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Another Longtime Intel Linux Engineer Joins Google - Phoronix | Jul 18 19:56 | |
| AdmFubar | https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/fleeceware-apps-overcharge-users-for-basic-app-functionality.421439/ | Jul 18 19:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wilderssecurity.com | ‘Fleeceware’ apps overcharge users for basic app functionality | Wilders Security Forums | Jul 18 19:57 | |
| techrights-news | today’s howtos • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167382 | Jul 18 19:58 |
| techrights-news | Videos: Ubuntu, Column, Linux User Space, AYANEO • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167383 | Jul 18 19:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today''s howtos | Tux Machines | Jul 18 19:58 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Videos: Ubuntu, Column, Linux User Space, AYANEO | Tux Machines | Jul 18 19:58 | |
| techrights-news | stalld: v1.17 https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/utils/stalld/stalld.git/commit/?h=main&id=bcfd1604eea2619d9919dadef7562967a60d06d3 | Jul 18 20:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.kernel.org | stalld/stalld.git - daemon to detect stalled threads and temporarily boost for forward progress | Jul 18 20:02 | |
| techrights-news | xfs: improve CIL scalability https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/fs/xfs/xfs-linux.git/commit/?h=xfs-5.20-merge&id=dd81dc05598c3028666d00709ef0810aa459bf8d | Jul 18 20:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.kernel.org | xfs/xfs-linux.git - XFS kernel development tree | Jul 18 20:06 | |
| techrights-news | "A recent snafu where Intel ignored upstream feedback on a firmware change, led to a late rc6 fix being required. In order to avoid this in the future we should document some expectations around linux-firmware." https://lore.kernel.org/all/20220718072144.2699487-1-airlied@gmail.com/T/#u | Jul 18 20:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lore.kernel.org | [PATCH] docs: driver-api: firmware: add driver firmware guidelines. | Jul 18 20:06 | |
| techrights-news | Live Raizo 13.22.07.17 is out https://sourceforge.net/projects/live-raizo/ | Jul 18 20:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Live Raizo - Linux for Virtual SysAdmin download | SourceForge.net | Jul 18 20:07 | |
| techrights-news | Emmabuntüs de5-alpha0 is also out https://emmabuntus.org/ | Jul 18 20:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-emmabuntus.org | Emmabuntüs – Collectif pour le réemploi des ordinateurs et distribution Linux basée sur Debian | Jul 18 20:08 | |
| techrights-news | "Missed it and was looking up Trisquel when I saw this in the threads. Appears Poeterring left RH for M$." https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=4175714699&goto=newpost | Jul 18 20:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=4175714699&goto=newpost ) | Jul 18 20:09 | |
| techrights-news | Public Knowledge Urges Congress To Swiftly Move New Net Neutrality Bill Forward - Public Knowledge ⚓ https://publicknowledge.org/public-knowledge-urges-congress-to-swiftly-move-new-net-neutrality-bill-forward/ ䷉ Source: publicknowledge | Jul 18 20:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-publicknowledge.org | Public Knowledge Urges Congress To Swiftly Move New Net Neutrality Bill Forward - Public Knowledge | Jul 18 20:10 | |
| techrights-news | "gem-compare v1.2.0, new contributors, and 200+ GitHub starts. My little RubyGems plugin got some new contributions. Read the v1.0 announcement to know what’s the gem about." https://nts.strzibny.name/gem-compare-new-contributors/ | Jul 18 20:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nts.strzibny.name | gem-compare's new contributors | Jul 18 20:12 | |
| techrights-news | 15 Free Coding Games To Learn Programming for Beginners ⚓ https://www.ubuntupit.com/free-coding-games-to-learn-programming/ ䷉ Source: UbuntuPIT | GNU | Linux | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.ubuntupit.com/free-coding-games-to-learn-programming/ | Jul 18 20:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ubuntupit.com | 15 Free Coding Games To Learn Programming for Beginners | Jul 18 20:13 | |
| techrights-news | Top 10 Free and Professional Video Editors in 2022 • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167384 | Jul 18 20:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Top 10 Free and Professional Video Editors in 2022 | Tux Machines | Jul 18 20:15 | |
| techrights-news | "It is hot. It will keep getting hotter in the coming years. Enjoy the coolest summer you’ll ever have. Not much else to say." https://rakudoweekly.blog/2022/07/18/2022-29-hot/ | Jul 18 20:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rakudoweekly.blog | 2022.29 Hot – Rakudo Weekly News | Jul 18 20:17 | |
| AdmFubar | https://www.theregister.com/2022/07/18/electrical_engineers_extinction/ | Jul 18 20:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Engineers on brink of extinction threaten entire ecosystems • The Register | Jul 18 20:20 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | ecosystems | Jul 18 20:24 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | ? | Jul 18 20:24 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | they burn energy | Jul 18 20:25 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | that ruins the real ecosystems | Jul 18 20:25 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | marketing metaophrs | Jul 18 20:25 |
| AdmFubar | that is electrical engineers... | Jul 18 20:28 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | fossil econsystem | Jul 18 20:29 |
| elephant | theregister.com is a pain to read with a text-browser | Jul 18 20:31 |
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| techrights-news | Debian Takes Money From Microsoft - an Epic Mistake | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/07/18/debconf22-welcomes-microsoft/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/18/debconf22-welcomes-microsoft/ | Jul 18 20:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Debian Takes Money From Microsoft — an Epic Mistake | Techrights | Jul 18 20:34 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | elephant: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https://www.theregister.com/ | Jul 18 20:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | The Register: Enterprise Technology News and Analysis | Jul 18 20:34 | |
| elephant | thanks | Jul 18 20:35 |
| *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@nn58qcu3qngy2.irc) has joined #techrights | Jul 18 20:36 | |
| techrights-news | "Our lives continute to be quite busy here at Rob's Gemini Capsule. I can't promise that my log hiatus will end soon, though I think I will be able to post a few more log entries this week." Our lives continute to be quite busy here at Rob's Gemini Capsule. I can't promise that my log hiatus will end soon, though I think I will be able to post a few more log entries this week. I | Jul 18 20:36 |
| techrights-news | "Our lives continute to be quite busy here at Rob's Gemini Capsule. I can't promise that my log hiatus will end soon, though I think I will be able to post a few more log entries this week." gemini://jsreed5.org/log/2022/202207/20220718-2022-week-26-27-28-photos.gmi | Jul 18 20:36 |
| techrights-news | Microsoft is already in third E, Extinguish. But I don't think it can succeed. It'll try anyway, riding the bailout money from Trump and Biden in an effort to hijack the competition or mess it up. | Jul 18 20:38 |
| psydroid2 | is Microsoft succeeding at all? | Jul 18 20:38 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | in some regards | Jul 18 20:39 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | but it relies on | Jul 18 20:39 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 1) gov. money | Jul 18 20:39 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | (taxpayers) | Jul 18 20:39 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 2) defrauding shareholders | Jul 18 20:39 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | gamblking with their moiney to buy compnaies | Jul 18 20:39 |
| elephant | wake up, there isn't no free software no more | Jul 18 20:41 |
| elephant | what GNU/FSF are selling, hooks development manpower behind Pentagon IBM Wintel computers | Jul 18 20:43 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | will somebody think of the poor sizxels! | Jul 18 20:45 |
| elephant | there isn't no free software/hardware to terminate VT100 at least, with 640x480 16color graphics | Jul 18 20:46 |
| elephant | and i haven't got the time yet nor the equipment to review the gigatron native assembly sources for their ROM | Jul 18 20:47 |
| elephant | if this doesn't pass, then there is nothing | Jul 18 20:47 |
| elephant | the fact, thousands of competent idealists are lured into the GNU/FSF freedom scam, this makes it worse | Jul 18 20:48 |
| elephant | besides, Verilog/HDL too are Software | Jul 18 20:50 |
| elephant | this originated in the DoD too, in parallel to the 1984 semiconductor protection act | Jul 18 20:50 |
| elephant | corrupt criminals | Jul 18 20:51 |
| elephant | intel | Jul 18 20:51 |
| techrights-news | [Meme] EPO Management Coming Out of the Closet | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/07/18/epo-skeletons-in-the-closet/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/18/epo-skeletons-in-the-closet/ | Jul 18 20:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] EPO Management Coming Out of the Closet | Techrights | Jul 18 20:52 | |
| elephant | meanwhile i ditched the idea to depend on Z80 and most microcontrollers alike, because of SDCC (small device c compiler), which is written in c++ | Jul 18 20:55 |
| elephant | such compiler, there won't be any chance ever, to port this onto a z80 itself as a self-hosting development environment | Jul 18 20:56 |
| elephant | don't know, on whose payroll the developers were, and which management dictated such decisions | Jul 18 20:56 |
| elephant | the only benefit Z80 has, is introductory literature available for low level programming | Jul 18 20:57 |
| elephant | and there is another problem, as soon as high-freqency analog and digital circuitry is involved... | Jul 18 20:58 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▆▇▅▄▆█▅▅▅▄▆▅▆▅▄▆▄▄▆▄▅▆▃▅▆▅▃▄▅▂▅▆▇▁ avg(k/sec) 28.10 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▁▂▂▂▁▁▂▁▁▁▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▁▂▁▁▁▁▂▁ avg(k/sec) 4.58▕ swarm size (avg): 0 ⟲ | Jul 18 20:59 |
| elephant | such measurement equipment, which is capable for anything in 100Mhz and GHz range, that's both expensive and all of it proprietary locked down | Jul 18 20:59 |
| elephant | logic analyzers, digital scopes, all that, even when it's free as in free, it's not fast enough then | Jul 18 20:59 |
| techrights-news | Links 18/07/2022: Alpine 3.16.1 Released | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/07/18/alpine-3-16-1-released/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/18/alpine-3-16-1-released/ | Jul 18 20:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 18/07/2022: Alpine 3.16.1 Released | Techrights | Jul 18 20:59 | |
| elephant | however, with a Gigatron TTL or Z80 clocked at a few MHz, chances some cheapo gear suffices then | Jul 18 21:00 |
| techrights-news | Programming Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167385 | Jul 18 21:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jul 18 21:02 | |
| techrights-news | Today in #Techrights • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167386 | Jul 18 21:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Jul 18 21:04 | |
| *elephant watching movie "no country for old men" | Jul 18 21:09 | |
| elephant | maybe coincidence, texas instruments and their TTL7400 series | Jul 18 21:09 |
| elephant | which have another benefit: long-term supply of those!!! | Jul 18 21:09 |
| techrights-news | AnsibleFest 2022 registration is now open ⚓ https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/ansiblefest-2022-registration-now-open ䷉ Source: Red Hat | ICBM | GNU | Linux | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.redhat.com/en/blog/ansiblefest-2022-registration-now-open | Jul 18 21:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | AnsibleFest 2022 registration is now open | Jul 18 21:09 | |
| elephant | because often, particular hardware isn't available long-term, to mention one example which isn't the best: allwinner pinebook laptop | Jul 18 21:10 |
| elephant | if i began to tailor some fimrware for this? few month later it's outdated again... | Jul 18 21:10 |
| techrights-news | CentOS Community Newsletter... as if it is still a community :-( https://blog.centos.org/2022/07/centos-community-newsletter-july-2022/ | Jul 18 21:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-CentOS Community Newsletter, July 2022 – Blog.CentOS.org | Jul 18 21:11 | |
| elephant | yet, as long as Z80 or TTL7400 parts are available, to assemble some computer from... homebrew... 50 years | Jul 18 21:11 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | are you trying to assemble a secure toolchain forn /oppressed' nazis? | Jul 18 21:11 |
| elephant | huh? | Jul 18 21:12 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | why use such old hardware? | Jul 18 21:12 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | you were not even born when it was last made | Jul 18 21:13 |
| elephant | the gigatron isn't old, it was published 2019 | Jul 18 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/07/18/gm-is-in-very-serious-financial-trouble-and-thinks-that-the-solution-is-to-force-every-new-buick-and-gmc-owner-into-a-1500-three-year-onstar-subscription/ | Jul 18 21:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | GM is in very serious financial trouble and thinks that the solution is to force every new Buick and GMC owner into a $1500 three year OnStar subscription – BaronHK's Rants | Jul 18 21:13 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz[TR2], ^ | Jul 18 21:13 |
| elephant | and various Z80 SBC are rather new too | Jul 18 21:13 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | DaemonFC: they remove features | Jul 18 21:13 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | then sell them back to you | Jul 18 21:13 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | as annual fees | Jul 18 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | OnStar though, LOL | Jul 18 21:13 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | you don't know what you're getting with a new car anymore | Jul 18 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | Mom didn't even want it when it was uncommon to have a cell phone. | Jul 18 21:14 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | they can also jack up the price | Jul 18 21:14 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | for you to use what you already have | Jul 18 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | I was 19 when mom bought the 2003 Impala. | Jul 18 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | It still runs, you know. | Jul 18 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | She has it again. | Jul 18 21:14 |
| techrights-news | "It’s been a hot July week in Amsterdam, and I expect hotter days are still to come. I wish air conditioning was more popular in Europe, but alas. This month of FOSS development enjoyed a lot of small improvements in a lot of different projects." https://drewdevault.com/2022/07/18/Status-update-July-2022.html | Jul 18 21:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-drewdevault.com | Status update, July 2022 | Jul 18 21:15 | |
| DaemonFC | It came with an OnStar subscription for 6 months. | Jul 18 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | She said she wasn't keeping it. | Jul 18 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | I noticed her hitting the blue button and an operator picked up and asked who you wanted to call. | Jul 18 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | And she was calling her husband with it. | Jul 18 21:15 |
| techrights-news | "Happy Monday, everyone -- let’s review the Apache community’s activities from the past week..." https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the-apache-news-round-up264 | Jul 18 21:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.apache.org | The Apache News Round-up: week ending 15 July 2022 : The Apache Software Foundation Blog | Jul 18 21:15 | |
| elephant | DaemonFC: how is this related to the recent GNU/FSF freedom scam talk? | Jul 18 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | And I said "That's pretty cool I guess, how much is it?" and she says "I'm just using it because it's a free trial that came with the car, but it's like $80 a month if you want it after that." | Jul 18 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | I said, "Gee, that's pretty stupid. I have this Nokia phone from Sprint and it goes with me everywhere and I get 850 minutes a month that roll over, and that only costs me $35.". | Jul 18 21:17 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | they know you don't use it | Jul 18 21:17 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | like the "unlimited" scam | Jul 18 21:17 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | they sell more than you can poissibly use | Jul 18 21:17 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | i once had a grlfriend who would phone talking about rubbish for hours | Jul 18 21:18 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | I asked why | Jul 18 21:18 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | she said she had loads of 'free' minutes | Jul 18 21:18 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | soi they emnd up talking more than they typically would | Jul 18 21:18 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | just to feel like they get their money's worth | Jul 18 21:18 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | even if there's nothing important to say | Jul 18 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | Well, obviously the phone didn't run apps back then so I didn't have Grindr. | Jul 18 21:18 |
| elephant | anyway, what you get with FSF/GNU/Linux/BSD is this: free software with a termination cycle of a few month each | Jul 18 21:19 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | DaemonFC: the problem was not the phgone | Jul 18 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | The whole thing was pretty inefficient. You had to get on a Yahoo room called Indiana M4M and then there were all these spam bots and pedos in there, it was revolting. So I came up with a method of moderating the room myself. | Jul 18 21:19 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | it was the rubbish | Jul 18 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | I found some programs that took advantage of bugs in YIM to force them off the Chat server. | Jul 18 21:19 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | and the "free" plan made an extra incentive to talk rubbish for longer | Jul 18 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | And it would block spammers and automatically return a "boot" command to them. | Jul 18 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | I also found some bugs in MSN Chat's ActiveX control. | Jul 18 21:20 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | activex.. | Jul 18 21:20 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | shudders | Jul 18 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | I couldn't get anyone at Microsoft to fix it, so I knocked their entire chat server offline. | Jul 18 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | To make a point. | Jul 18 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | <schestowitz[TR2]> activex.. | Jul 18 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, I found a way to get ActiveX to work in Opera. | Jul 18 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | You grabbed their NPAPI plug-in that piped ActiveX controls to Netscape and either dropped it in the Netscape plugins folder or Opera's, and it worked there too, even though they didn't mention Opera. | Jul 18 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | I didn't use it that way for long, though. | Jul 18 21:22 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | elephant: not even free software is good is you plan to transmit illegal "contewnt" in your country | Jul 18 21:22 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | *if | Jul 18 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | If you removed IE, everything about it was gone, including the ability for anything on the computer to use ActiveX. | Jul 18 21:23 |
| elephant | i say GNU/FSF etc. aren't free as in free as in free | Jul 18 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | For the hell of it, I tried out some old versions of IE, 1 and 2. | Jul 18 21:23 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | actiiiivex... and sjvn: microsoft is '/"Linux company" now | Jul 18 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | In 1998 they still rendered sites for the most part. | Jul 18 21:23 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | still can't get past the idiocy of what he said | Jul 18 21:23 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | seems like Microsoft propaganda finds new routes | Jul 18 21:23 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | and they bribe debian again | Jul 18 21:23 |
| elephant | it is a marketing scam pushed, to lure competent development manpower into Pentagon IBM Wintel | Jul 18 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | SJVN is their backup Dr. Pizza. | Jul 18 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | They needed someone who probably won't be busted as a pedo to repackage their spam. | Jul 18 21:24 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | I'd still choose Pentagon IBM Wintel over nazism | Jul 18 21:24 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | DaemonFC: ouch | Jul 18 21:24 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | DaemonFC: it wasn't his first time | Jul 18 21:24 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | something is not right | Jul 18 21:24 |
| elephant | schestowitz[TR2]: finally the mindset and idiocy unveiled in here | Jul 18 21:25 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | right | Jul 18 21:25 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | you | Jul 18 21:25 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | because Pentagon IBM Wintel did noit killed 50 million europeans | Jul 18 21:25 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | IBM helped them a bit | Jul 18 21:25 |
| elephant | right, they killed many more | Jul 18 21:25 |
| elephant | and didn't loose power over it, after 15 years | Jul 18 21:26 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | they kiled a lot of those who started the war | Jul 18 21:26 |
| elephant | then, who started it? | Jul 18 21:26 |
| elephant | and what? | Jul 18 21:26 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | WW1 Geermany | Jul 18 21:26 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | reperations | Jul 18 21:26 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | then germany agaaaaaaain | Jul 18 21:26 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | \ | Jul 18 21:26 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | *reparations | Jul 18 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz[TR2], "Richard Stallman’s political notes said yet again, and he’s very, very wrong btw, that “interest rates should remain low”. He’s following some splogs that pose as news sites, where Paul Krugman passes as an economist. | Jul 18 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | Stallman repeatedly and incorrectly asserts that hyperinflation will help the poor. Wrong. Cheap money flows to the rich and creates moral hazards. It does things like propping up asset bubbles, even as the economy sheds jobs. | Jul 18 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | Right now, we’re watching a massive (and I must say hilarious) correction in the “cryptocurrency” market, just months after Matt Damon’s Super Bowl ads. My Savings Account is paying out 2.5 times as much interest as it as two months ago. We need to get inflation under control and reward people for prudently managing their finances. | Jul 18 21:27 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | your "homeland" | Jul 18 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | I don’t see the jobs market being affected very much by rising interest rates. What I do see being taken away, stolen, from workers, is their ability to use their paychecks to buy food and housing. And that has to stop! | Jul 18 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | One of the outcomes of wasteful government spending and years of low interest rates is that when I wanted a nicer used car, I had to pay $8,000, for one that needed work. | Jul 18 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | Stallman ignores actual problems like this and argues that the Fed should just throw more cheap money everywhere." | Jul 18 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | Stallman on inflation. | Jul 18 21:27 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | RMS has not worked properly since age 30 | Jul 18 21:27 |
| elephant | schestowitz[TR2]: you are aware, 70% of the NAZI SA street mob were communists (beefsteak nazis)? | Jul 18 21:27 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | he has done gnu since then | Jul 18 21:27 |
| elephant | i mean, if you want to swing the red banner over software, go for it | Jul 18 21:27 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | and lived in his offince until the last 90s | Jul 18 21:27 |
| elephant | anyway, GNU/FSF are a scam | Jul 18 21:28 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | financial advise from someone holed up in an MIT office and living on grants is not one that's applicable to me, personally | Jul 18 21:28 |
| elephant | to sell IBM Wintel Pentagon crap "made in usa" | Jul 18 21:28 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | that's nonsense | Jul 18 21:29 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | maybe you heard that in some nazi-infested pub | Jul 18 21:29 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | that blames "communists" for germany invading countries | Jul 18 21:29 |
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| elephant | let's get back to tech? how about that? and see to who and what FSF/GNU etc. who they really are? | Jul 18 21:30 |
| techrights-news | Pitivi GSoC: 2nd Update https://www.aryank.in/posts/2022-07-18-pitivi-gsoc-2nd-update/ | Jul 18 21:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.aryank.in | | Jul 18 21:30 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | elephant: you can post in techpol if you must about politics | Jul 18 21:31 |
| elephant | schestowitz[TR2]: you posted politics, not me | Jul 18 21:32 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | me? I worried about your poolitical views here | Jul 18 21:32 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | like pro-putin nonsense | Jul 18 21:32 |
| MinceR | 18 222823 < elephant> to sell IBM Wintel Pentagon crap "made in usa" | Jul 18 21:32 |
| MinceR | yeah, it's not like windows runs on them... oh wait | Jul 18 21:32 |
| elephant | schestowitz[TR2]: i am NOT pro-putin | Jul 18 21:32 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | you are | Jul 18 21:32 |
| elephant | yet i do NOT follow the insane propaganda lies and crap, again "made in usa" | Jul 18 21:32 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | you think putin needs to liberae germany | Jul 18 21:32 |
| MinceR | do we really look _that_ gullible? | Jul 18 21:33 |
| elephant | i think germany ceased to exist, decades ago | Jul 18 21:33 |
| SomeH4x0r | one of the Germanies did | Jul 18 21:33 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | you live in another dimension | Jul 18 21:33 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | the world has moved on | Jul 18 21:33 |
| elephant | and it is ruled by atlantic bridge minions and criminals | Jul 18 21:33 |
| elephant | who serve the interests, again, of IBM Wintel Pentagon and their spying, looting and plundering | Jul 18 21:33 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | the germany you missed caused misery to everyone, inc. its own people | Jul 18 21:33 |
| MinceR | strange, i was told the germanies merged | Jul 18 21:34 |
| techrights-news | Debian has resumed taking bribes from Microsoft after a year or two without that; that does not inspire much confidence in the direction or the judgment of the leaders, who are unable to recognise a company that attacks GNU/Linux more viciously than any other company http://techrights.org/2022/07/18/debconf22-welcomes-microsoft/ | Jul 18 21:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Debian Takes Money From Microsoft — an Epic Mistake | Techrights | Jul 18 21:34 | |
| SomeH4x0r | I'm not sure if they "merged", more like one ceased to exist, and the other one took its land | Jul 18 21:34 |
| techrights-news | As rulings against the EPO pile up (violations of fundamental rights) the EPO’s Web site, basically a barrage of lies, won’t age well… like a human locked up inside a closet http://techrights.org/2022/07/18/epo-skeletons-in-the-closet/ | Jul 18 21:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] EPO Management Coming Out of the Closet | Techrights | Jul 18 21:34 | |
| elephant | it ceased to exist entirely | Jul 18 21:34 |
| SomeH4x0r | at least, looking at their names | Jul 18 21:34 |
| elephant | there isn't no germany anymore, it's long gone | Jul 18 21:34 |
| elephant | although, that's not the technical arguments to be made about USA, GNU and FSF, and who they really are | Jul 18 21:35 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | east germany ceased to exist when you were 10 | Jul 18 21:35 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | so maybe you just mis your childhood | Jul 18 21:35 |
| elephant | wrong again | Jul 18 21:35 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | not the "olld" germany | Jul 18 21:35 |
| elephant | east germany ceased to exist 1945 | Jul 18 21:35 |
| DaemonFC | <schestowitz[TR2]> RMS has not worked properly since age 30 | Jul 18 21:35 |
| elephant | the area of the democratic republic was central germany | Jul 18 21:35 |
| DaemonFC | Stallman has plenty of money and lives cheaply. | Jul 18 21:35 |
| elephant | get the facts first, before talking | Jul 18 21:35 |
| DaemonFC | So he's probably not in tune with what a lot of people go through. | Jul 18 21:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | yeah | Jul 18 21:36 |
| elephant | and i would rather want to talk about technical facts, and USA and GNU and FSF | Jul 18 21:36 |
| elephant | and what they do | Jul 18 21:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | to put it crusely | Jul 18 21:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | he's a friend | Jul 18 21:36 |
| MinceR | 18 223442 < SomeH4x0r> I'm not sure if they "merged", more like one ceased to exist, and the other one took its land | Jul 18 21:36 |
| elephant | and who they are, and their methods | Jul 18 21:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | but on fiscal issues he can be out of touch | Jul 18 21:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | because of his way of living | Jul 18 21:36 |
| MinceR | i don't recall any protests against taking that land at the time | Jul 18 21:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | not evceyone gets medals and grants/awards | Jul 18 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | I'm absolutely furious about the inflation. | Jul 18 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | I'm in the demographic Stallman insists it is helping. | Jul 18 21:36 |
| MinceR | hi absolutely furious about the inflation, i'm dad | Jul 18 21:37 |
| DaemonFC | It doesn't help when every time I do a grocery order it's several percent more expensive than the last time. | Jul 18 21:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | btw, price of eggs here SOARED | Jul 18 21:37 |
| DaemonFC | Sometimes eggs go up $1-2 per box since the last time you looked, a couple months ago. | Jul 18 21:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | it must means severe shortage | Jul 18 21:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | we checked tow shops | Jul 18 21:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | one today also... it'll like a 70% increase in a month | Jul 18 21:37 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz[TR2], The price came down and I bought 120 eggs when it did. | Jul 18 21:37 |
| DaemonFC | They're good in the fridge for like 4 months. | Jul 18 21:38 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | RMS would be livid if he had ato make a living stocking shelves | Jul 18 21:38 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | he was an OS eng/coder | Jul 18 21:38 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | and then activist/hacktissst | Jul 18 21:38 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | coder | Jul 18 21:38 |
| elephant | United Kingdom and their way of "freedom" are another historical peace of a joke second to none | Jul 18 21:38 |
| elephant | piece | Jul 18 21:38 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | nobody is perfect | Jul 18 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz[TR2], He said once "I could make a living as a waiter.". | Jul 18 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | O RLY? | Jul 18 21:39 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | he would act tactless imho | Jul 18 21:39 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | and make jokes | Jul 18 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | Let's give him a job at Golden Corral busing tables. | Jul 18 21:39 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | but he could work as many things | Jul 18 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, he wouldn't last long. | Jul 18 21:39 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | not for a high salary | Jul 18 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | The low pay, hard work, long hours. | Jul 18 21:39 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | unless he did coding | Jul 18 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | Customers being cheap and not leaving him tips. | Jul 18 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | Then he'd say something and be fired on his first day. | Jul 18 21:40 |
| elephant | schestowitz[TR2]: why not take this to -social or techpol so i can talk about FSF/GNU/Pentagon and their methods? | Jul 18 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | I walked into the "saying things, getting written up" at Walmart a couple times. | Jul 18 21:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | I agree | Jul 18 21:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | we're open to anything | Jul 18 21:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | just in the right channels | Jul 18 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | And it was funnier than hell, what I said, or just something that I said in casual conversation without thinking about. | Jul 18 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | If one person in the room is offended, it doesn't matter if 100 people laugh. | Jul 18 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | You get punished. | Jul 18 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | So you learn to keep your mouth shut. And I don't think RMS would do that. | Jul 18 21:41 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | it dpeends | Jul 18 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | To keep a job where he averages minimum wage or so. | Jul 18 21:41 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | it's aboutboundaries and risk | Jul 18 21:41 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | if you are pooor | Jul 18 21:41 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | or in debt | Jul 18 21:41 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | you tend to not rock the boat | Jul 18 21:41 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | I've worked since age 14 or 15 | Jul 18 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | Pretty much. One thing they impress on you in probation is that you shouldn't have any police contact or you can end up back in court. | Jul 18 21:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 14 if you count babisitting | Jul 18 21:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | I might leave my job by year's end | Jul 18 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | The last place you want to be is back in court, so you learn never to talk to the police, even if you're the victim of crime. | Jul 18 21:42 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/22070926 | Jul 18 21:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | but rising living costs are a problem now | Jul 18 21:42 |
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| DaemonFC | "Just let it go. Remember what they did to you last time?" | Jul 18 21:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | DaemonFC: not the boot on the neck is heavier | Jul 18 21:43 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | with inflation | Jul 18 21:43 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | people barely find jobs | Jul 18 21:43 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | or make ends meet | Jul 18 21:43 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 10 hours a week is not a job per se | Jul 18 21:43 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | yoiu cannot live on that | Jul 18 21:43 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | it's a token "job" | Jul 18 21:43 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | to game the statictics | Jul 18 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | You make some money and then your landlord comes and takes it. | Jul 18 21:43 |
| MinceR | depends on how much they pat :> | Jul 18 21:43 |
| MinceR | s/pat/pay/ | Jul 18 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | Or the government. | Jul 18 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | Or both. | Jul 18 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | They're actually talking about taxing us for not having kids now. | Jul 18 21:43 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | MinceR: less relative to the expenses | Jul 18 21:43 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | unless you got a 10% pay rise tis year | Jul 18 21:44 |
| DaemonFC | Like, "You're going to pay whether you have some or not.". | Jul 18 21:44 |
| DaemonFC | The tax for not having kids was something the Soviet Union did. | Jul 18 21:44 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | financial benefits of kids are massisvely outweighed by costs | Jul 18 21:44 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | sure, you can share a roof with them | Jul 18 21:44 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | but they still have many expenses | Jul 18 21:45 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | that scale linearly | Jul 18 21:45 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | spouse working is better as it lowers relative household tax on income | Jul 18 21:45 |
| DaemonFC | https://money.cnn.com/2014/04/07/pf/taxes/childless-parents-taxes/index.html | Jul 18 21:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-money.cnn.com | Should people without kids pay higher taxes? | Jul 18 21:45 | |
| DaemonFC | The government already spends about $100 billion just through the IRS propping people with kids up at everyone else's expense. | Jul 18 21:45 |
| techrights-news | Wow, clickfraud spamnil sure is promoting proprietary garbage today | Jul 18 21:45 |
| DaemonFC | Now they want an additional line item that punishes me as well. | Jul 18 21:46 |
| MinceR | Should people who suggest that people without kids should pay higher taxes pay higher taxes? | Jul 18 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | That $100 billion doesn't even include all the welfare they get. | Jul 18 21:46 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | DaemonFC: maybe billG can subsidise the kids' FGM and penis-cutting | Jul 18 21:46 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | since they love kids so much | Jul 18 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | Bill donates $20 BILLion to genital mutilating foundation. | Jul 18 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | "I don't want to die with all this money when there's still tiny dicks to cut and tiny arms for COVID shots to go into!" said Uncle Bill. | Jul 18 21:47 |
| techrights-news | When it is Windows CISA does not even name Windows or Microsoft. This is selective attention. https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/07/18/cisa-updates-advisory-cyber-actors-continued-exploitation | Jul 18 21:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cisa.gov | CISA Updates Advisory on Cyber Actors Continued Exploitation of Log4Shell in VMware Horizon Systems | CISA | Jul 18 21:48 | |
| DaemonFC | He went after Africans and told them if they got circumcised there would be "no risk" of getting HIV. | Jul 18 21:48 |
| techrights-news | xkcd: Capri Suns ⚓ https://xkcd.com/2647/ ䷉ Source: xkcd | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//xkcd.com/2647/ | Jul 18 21:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: Capri Suns | Jul 18 21:48 | |
| DaemonFC | Everyone I know with HIV is circumcised. | Jul 18 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz[TR2], What's just as bad as Stallman arguing for inflationary policies, is that the article he links to calls on state governments to hire back over 350,000 government "workers" they got rid of. | Jul 18 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't noticed any changes in my life from having less government workers eating up my tax dollars. | Jul 18 21:50 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | if theya re not employed | Jul 18 21:51 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | are you better off? | Jul 18 21:51 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | many people who are broke resort to petty crime | Jul 18 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | I read an article about a woman who worked for the Illinois stage government that did nothing all day except shop on Amazon and use the office printer to print her receipts. | Jul 18 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | *state | Jul 18 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | I read that this isn't even unusual. | Jul 18 21:52 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | happens in private sector | Jul 18 21:52 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 0I saw it | Jul 18 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | In another case, a Township paid $85,000 to one of the Board's relatives to come shovel a small parking lot that winter that the Township Board members parked at. | Jul 18 21:52 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | that article mioght be by oligarchs-0owned medioa | Jul 18 21:52 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | the "small gov." bs | Jul 18 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | You can get on an app and arrange to have the lot parked for about $60 each time it snows that winter, which would have cost them less than $1,000. | Jul 18 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | *lot shoveled | Jul 18 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | Government has no incentive to preserve tax money when they can just dole it out to themselves, their family members, their criminal friends, the crooked unions, and take more of your money. | Jul 18 21:53 |
| techrights-news | Never rely on Gulag https://dasublogbyprashanth.blogspot.com/2022/07/follow-up-some-recent-troubles-with.html | Jul 18 21:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dasublogbyprashanth.blogspot.com | Das U-Blog by Prashanth: FOLLOW-UP: Some Recent Troubles with pCloud and Google Chat | Jul 18 21:54 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz[TR2], State of ILL always wants more. | Jul 18 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | They're like the church as carlin described it, except you can't tell them fuck off or they'll put you in jail. | Jul 18 21:54 |
| techrights-news | PopOS is SPECIAL, and I’m moving to it, here’s why! - Invidious ⚓ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Cs4QRBm0C_8 ䷉ Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//yewtu.be/watch?v=Cs4QRBm0C_8 | Jul 18 21:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | PopOS is SPECIAL, and I'm moving to it, here's why! - Invidious | Jul 18 21:55 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | DaemonFC: because you are on their gris | Jul 18 21:56 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | water, power | Jul 18 21:56 |
| MinceR | short bus special | Jul 18 21:56 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | if you live in the foirest, they will leave you alone | Jul 18 21:56 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | but you will likely need them | Jul 18 21:56 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | mediiiiicine, heat... | Jul 18 21:56 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | esp. in IL | Jul 18 21:56 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | or you get ILL | Jul 18 21:56 |
| techrights-news | "In this video, I am going to show an overview of Rocky Linux 9.0 and some of the applications pre-installed." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=z2Y4jQ-eTjY | Jul 18 21:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Rocky Linux 9.0 overview | Enterprise Linux, the community way. - Invidious | Jul 18 21:56 | |
| elephant | anyway, GNU/FSF with their freedom marketing scam do this: they source development manpower for IBM Wintel Pentagon USA, for 0Cash in return payed | Jul 18 21:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | I use their sw free of charge | Jul 18 21:57 |
| elephant | and those developoer who prove to be sufficiently corrupt may end up on the payroll of Pentagon USA to serve their military industrial complex | Jul 18 21:57 |
| MinceR | does that waffle thing even work with invidious? | Jul 18 21:57 |
| techrights-news | How to Install ownCloud on Ubuntu 22.04 - RoseHosting ⚓ https://www.rosehosting.com/blog/how-to-install-owncloud-on-ubuntu-22-04/ ䷉ Source: rosehosting | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.rosehosting.com/blog/how-to-install-owncloud-on-ubuntu-22-04/ | Jul 18 21:57 |
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| schestowitz[TR2] | MinceR: partly | Jul 18 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | <schestowitz[TR2]> mediiiiicine, heat... | Jul 18 21:58 |
| elephant | schestowitz[TR2]: then you are supporting Nazism? aren't you? | Jul 18 21:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | you have to press another link in there | Jul 18 21:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | let me fix this, MinceR | Jul 18 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | It took them 1 year to process my Medicaid paperwork. | Jul 18 21:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | there is a proper youtube url for gemini | Jul 18 21:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | that lets you download | Jul 18 21:58 |
| *schestowitz[TR2] codes a little | Jul 18 21:58 | |
| DaemonFC | When I went in there, the state worker told me it was taking so long because I should vote for a Democrat. | Jul 18 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | Then they went in another room to vote on whether or not they'd strike and close down the office. | Jul 18 21:58 |
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| DaemonFC | It's illegal for a state worker to tell you how to vote or pass out election materials in a public office, but they did. | Jul 18 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | Then they went and held a strike vote to see if they'd just close down and leave everyone who needed food and medical care stranded outside the building until someone paid them even more to come to work in their Naruto pajamas. | Jul 18 22:00 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | base url gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/ | Jul 18 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.reddit.com/r/bipolar/comments/w1hpve/halfway_house_for_mental_health_uk/ | Jul 18 22:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Halfway house for mental health uk : bipolar | Jul 18 22:10 | |
| DaemonFC | The mental health inpatient units in the US are not "like being in jail.". | Jul 18 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | If you're in jail, you're in a walk in closet with a metal bed with barely a mattress over it, with a toilet slash drinking fountain, and the door only opens up for about an hour or two a day so you can shower and get a meal and then go back in. | Jul 18 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | Although the mental health inpatient units are pretty scary. | Jul 18 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | They put you in a double room with whoever else is in there with you. Luckily, whatever was going on with my roommate, they put so much antipsychotic medication in him that I don't even recall him waking up much for two weeks. | Jul 18 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | I say luckily because whatever he did where they responded like that must have been bad. | Jul 18 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | It's my experience that the staff doesn't typically do something like that. | Jul 18 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | The only way you're not free to leave is if you've told them you're suicidal, which triggers a mandatory 72 hour "observation period" under the law. So unfortunately, in the winter time, a lot of people say they're suicidal so they have a warm room to sleep in with a shower and some food. | Jul 18 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | It's not prison food. It's just whatever the hospital is feeding all of its other patients. | Jul 18 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | Typically, their goal is to keep you there as shortly as possible and get your medication adjusted, and then they let you go. | Jul 18 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know how the "halfway house" system works in the UK, but I've seen mental illness halfway houses in the US, though I've never been staying in one. They don't look too much different than what's on Reddit. | Jul 18 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | I think that it's where the inpatient centers release you to if you're homeless. | Jul 18 22:17 |
| AdmFubar | depending on the hospital it can be some pretty bad food | Jul 18 22:18 |
| DaemonFC | All of this is Indiana. I hear they treated mental patients worse before the 1980s in the US. Most states had state mental health hospitals, and no matter what was going on with you, you'd end up there for months, and there were serious mistreatment scandals. | Jul 18 22:18 |
| DaemonFC | They still had one in Richmond, Indiana in the 90s. They sent my aunt there a couple of times. | Jul 18 22:19 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/22070915 | Jul 18 22:19 |
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| techrights-news | TEST. [MV] 마마무 (MAMAMOO) - 딩가딩가 (Dingga) - Invidious ⚓ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=dfl9KIX1WpU | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/dfl9KIX1WpU | Jul 18 22:20 |
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| schestowitz[TR2] | seems to work, MinceR | Jul 18 22:21 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | pushing to git | Jul 18 22:21 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 18 22:21 |
| techrights-news | Thompson 6000 Mixer Mincer Series Promotional Video - Invidious ⚓ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=XcPTZ5fKvTY | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/XcPTZ5fKvTY | Jul 18 22:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Thompson 6000 Mixer Mincer Series Promotional Video - Invidious | Jul 18 22:22 | |
| DaemonFC | <AdmFubar> depending on the hospital it can be some pretty bad food | Jul 18 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | Parkview's isn't bad. | Jul 18 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | They actually have a restaurant in the hospital at Parkview North although their cafeteria at Randalia isn't bad either. | Jul 18 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | We didn't have to buy groceries for a year and a half because it was so cheap to eat there. John worked there, so they gave us half off. | Jul 18 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | So I straight up lived on hospital food for 18 months or so. | Jul 18 22:26 |
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| DaemonFC | They didn't pay him very much money, but it turned out that the 50% off at the restaurant in the hospital was worth a lot all by itself. We would have had to spend hundreds more at the grocery store trying to buy that much food. | Jul 18 22:27 |
| techrights-news | Rocky Linux 9.0 overview | Enterprise Linux, the community way. - Invidious ⚓ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=z2Y4jQ-eTjY | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/z2Y4jQ-eTjY | Jul 18 22:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Rocky Linux 9.0 overview | Enterprise Linux, the community way. - Invidious | Jul 18 22:27 | |
| techrights-news | PopOS is SPECIAL, and I’m moving to it, here’s why! - Invidious ⚓ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Cs4QRBm0C_8 | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/Cs4QRBm0C_8 | Jul 18 22:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | PopOS is SPECIAL, and I'm moving to it, here's why! - Invidious | Jul 18 22:27 | |
| DaemonFC | I never had very high electric bills. | Jul 18 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | I don't like heat in the winter anyway and I wasn't cooking anything because I ate breakfast at the hospital and then dinner when I went to pick John up. | Jul 18 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | So I wasn't cooking anything at home. | Jul 18 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | In fact, I even unplugged the fridge and propped it open. | Jul 18 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | In the winter one year, I think my electric bill was like $19, and $8 of that was just to keep it turned on! | Jul 18 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | Where the electric really kills me is in the summer here. It turns into a swamp in the basement and I've always got the air conditioner or the dehumidifier running. I turn the AC off at night and turn the dehumidifier on, and there's a bucket of water waiting for me by morning when I turn that off and the AC back on. | Jul 18 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | I had my highest monthly bill in a while this month. $97. | Jul 18 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | It spent winter averaging about $35-40. | Jul 18 22:30 |
| techrights-news | GM is in very serious financial trouble and thinks that the solution is to force every new Buick and GMC owner into a $1500 three year OnStar subscription - BaronHK’s Rants ⚓♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/07/18/gm-is-in-very-serious-financial-trouble-and-thinks-that-the-solution-is-to-force-every-new-buick-and-gmc-owner-into-a-1500-three-year-onstar-subscription/ | Jul 18 22:31 |
| *shogo has quit (Z-lined) | Jul 18 22:31 | |
| elephant | valve steam: domestic terrorism groupware | Jul 18 22:31 |
| elephant | this is what was missing, to push free software | Jul 18 22:31 |
| elephant | scroll some ads, get connected | Jul 18 22:32 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | domestic terrorism groupware? | Jul 18 22:32 |
| MinceR | sounds edgy and exciting | Jul 18 22:32 |
| elephant | a documentary on tv, terrorists socializing with each other on valve steam | Jul 18 22:32 |
| elephant | trillions of shitcoins invested into | Jul 18 22:32 |
| techrights-news | [PATCH] x86/speculation: Add BHI_DIS support - Daniel Sneddon ⚓ https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220714195236.9311-1-daniel.sneddon@linux.intel.com/ ䷉ Source: linux | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220714195236.9311-1-daniel.sneddon@linux.intel.com/ | Jul 18 22:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lore.kernel.org | [PATCH] x86/speculation: Add BHI_DIS support - Daniel Sneddon | Jul 18 22:32 | |
| elephant | amazing, and linux kernel is bloated with crap to support the latest games | Jul 18 22:34 |
| elephant | brought to you by IBM Wintel Pentagon USA | Jul 18 22:34 |
| elephant | and the banner "free software" on top of it | Jul 18 22:34 |
| techrights-news | Archcraft 2022.07.18 is out, but uses Discord nd Reddit, so.... https://archcraft.io/ | Jul 18 22:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archcraft.io | Archcraft : Home | Jul 18 22:34 | |
| *bnchs (~bnchs@tmwh5kj2c9t3q.irc) has joined #techrights | Jul 18 22:35 | |
| techrights-news | Ideas from TPRC2022: Bug/Task/Issue independent interface and a cli tool ⚓ http://blogs.perl.org/users/dean/2022/07/ideas-from-tprc2022-bugtaskissue-independent-interface-and-a-cli-tool.html ䷉ Source: perl | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?http%3A//blogs.perl.org/users/dean/2022/07/ideas-from-tprc2022-bugtaskissue-independent-interface-and-a-cli-tool.html | Jul 18 22:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ideas from TPRC2022: Bug/Task/Issue independent interface and a cli tool | dean [blogs.perl.org] | Jul 18 22:35 | |
| *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights | Jul 18 22:37 | |
| techrights-news | "For those want to check PC hardware specs in Linux, CPU-X is a good choice for user switching from Microsoft Windows." https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/07/cpu-x-cpu-z-for-linux-desktop/ | Jul 18 22:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ubuntuhandbook.org | CPU-X – Gather PC Hardware Specs in Linux with CPU-Z Style User Interface | UbuntuHandbook | Jul 18 22:39 | |
| techrights-news | "First, how does Krita know what files it can import/export as? Well that is easy enough to answer, in a database. Specifically Krita has a class KisMimeDatabase that stores all available file formats Krita supports" https://rojas.run/posts/gsoc-update1/ | Jul 18 22:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GSOC Update 1 - rojas.run | Jul 18 22:40 | |
| techrights-news | Status update 18/07/2022 - Sam Thursfield ⚓ https://samthursfield.wordpress.com/2022/07/18/status-update-18th-july-2022/ ䷉ Source: samthursfield | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//samthursfield.wordpress.com/2022/07/18/status-update-18th-july-2022/ | Jul 18 22:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-samthursfield.wordpress.com | Status update 18/07/2022 – Sam Thursfield | Jul 18 22:40 | |
| techrights-news | How to install Audacity on Pop!_OS 22.04 - Invidious ⚓ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=AVOg3UxMwVQ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/AVOg3UxMwVQ | Jul 18 22:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | How to install Audacity on Pop!_OS 22.04 - Invidious | Jul 18 22:44 | |
| techrights-news | "Thinkpads that won’t boot Linux by default, retard moves to Microsoft, the Firefox Snap is finally a lot faster, Reddit shows its true colours, KDE Korner, and more." https://latenightlinux.com/late-night-linux-episode-186/ | Jul 18 22:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-latenightlinux.com | Late Night Linux – Episode 186 – Late Night Linux | Jul 18 22:45 | |
| techrights-news | The Linux Desktop Wouldn’t Exist Without This Group - Invidious ⚓ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=s9VzgWycgcY | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/s9VzgWycgcY | Jul 18 22:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | The Linux Desktop Wouldn't Exist Without This Group - Invidious | Jul 18 22:46 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz[TR2], Russell Crowe has gotten old. Old and really really fat. | Jul 18 22:46 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | good | Jul 18 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think I'd seen him in anything since Gladiator, which was out in 2000. | Jul 18 22:47 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | let him eat crowe | Jul 18 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | I didn't even recognize him as Zeus in Thor: Love and Thunder. | Jul 18 22:47 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | he also had a violence scandal | Jul 18 22:47 |
| MinceR | lol @ "retard moves to Microsoft" | Jul 18 22:47 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | whatg? | Jul 18 22:47 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | not true? | Jul 18 22:47 |
| bnchs | now that he ruined linux | Jul 18 22:48 |
| bnchs | he moves to microsoft | Jul 18 22:48 |
| bnchs | to probably ruin it as much as he did | Jul 18 22:48 |
| techrights-news | This is what FSF published INSTEAD of BLASTING Microsoft for 'secure' boot (also: FSF must feel dumb or guilty for giving AWARD to MJG) https://www.fsf.org/blogs/sysadmin/closing-in-on-fully-free-bioses-with-the-fsf-tech-team | Jul 18 22:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | Closing in on fully free BIOSes with the FSF tech team — Free Software Foundation — Working together for free software | Jul 18 22:49 | |
| MinceR | i just liked the way it was phrased | Jul 18 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz[TR2], Fedora says it's updated Mesa to fix llvmpipe issues that were crashing kwin 'very badly' and Mutter 'sometimes'. | Jul 18 22:49 |
| MinceR | it's concise and everyone knows what it refers to | Jul 18 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | It's funny, but I don't recall XRENDER crashing. | Jul 18 22:49 |
| MinceR | neither do i | Jul 18 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | I usually set kwin to use it even on drivers that could handle OpenGL okay because it was so much faster (even though some of the effects didn't work). | Jul 18 22:50 |
| techrights-news | It feels like FSF feels shy or reluctant to blast those whom it should blast the most. Man up. Oh, sorry. Person up! | Jul 18 22:50 |
| MinceR | (cat) https://ircz.de/p/22071427 | Jul 18 22:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/1xhch6a6c4a91.jpg created on 2022-07-14 09:04:13.678643 | Jul 18 22:50 | |
| MinceR | Person direction! | Jul 18 22:51 |
| techrights-news | That's not because of YOU, SFC. Also: you saw the REAL Microsoft the FIRST time around. This is just "damage control". https://sfconservancy.org/news/2022/jul/18/foss-for-sale-in-ms-app-store/ | Jul 18 22:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sfconservancy.org | Permission to Sell FOSS in the Microsoft App Store Restored - Software Freedom Conservancy | Jul 18 22:52 | |
| techrights-news | An LED cube circuit sculpture shield for the UNO Mini LE | Arduino Blog ⚓ https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/07/18/an-led-cube-circuit-sculpture-shield-for-the-uno-mini-le/ ䷉ Source: Arduino | Hardware | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/07/18/an-led-cube-circuit-sculpture-shield-for-the-uno-mini-le/ | Jul 18 22:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | An LED cube circuit sculpture shield for the UNO Mini LE | Arduino Blog | Jul 18 22:53 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | MinceR: person symbol | Jul 18 22:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | $noun $noun | Jul 18 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | "Did you know in 1980 cable only cost $8!" Facebook ad. | Jul 18 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | I didn't know that, but I'm not surprised. | Jul 18 22:55 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | "only"? | Jul 18 22:55 |
| bnchs | if pluton is truly uncrackable, then it will be the end of free computing | Jul 18 22:55 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 42 years ago | Jul 18 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | Probably not many people had cable and they couldn't just say "Here's something that costs an enormous amount of money. Sign up today!" | Jul 18 22:55 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | cumulative inflation | Jul 18 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | They made it cheap and then kept jacking up the price. | Jul 18 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | Like streaming. | Jul 18 22:55 |
| elephant | there isn't any free computing regardless | Jul 18 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz[TR2], $8 in 1980 = $30.47 last month according to BLS. | Jul 18 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | If you believe that. | Jul 18 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | No cable TV package cost $30.50 last month. | Jul 18 22:57 |
| DaemonFC | You can't even rent the box for that. | Jul 18 22:57 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 18 22:57 |
| DaemonFC | Who are they even selling this shit to? | Jul 18 22:57 |
| AdmFubar | https://www.alternet.org/2022/07/pathetic-how-cheap-it-is/ | Jul 18 22:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-'Pathetic': Author laments 'how cheap it is' for oil companies to fund climate opposition - Alternet.org | Jul 18 22:57 | |
| DaemonFC | The local movie theater has all the major sports games on the movie screen and you don't have to pay anything to get in. | Jul 18 22:57 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz[TR2], Seems the movie theater is 90% restaurant and about 10% ticket revenue now. | Jul 18 22:58 |
| DaemonFC | That's not the first time I've seen this format. | Jul 18 22:58 |
| DaemonFC | In Fort Wayne, there was a movie theater/restaurant we used to go to. | Jul 18 22:58 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▆▇▅▄▆█▅▅▅▄▆▅▆▅▄▆▄▄▆▄▅▆▃▅▆▅▃▄▅▂▅▆▇▁ avg(k/sec) 28.10 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▁▂▂▂▁▁▂▁▁▁▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▁▂▁▁▁▁▂▁ avg(k/sec) 4.58▕ swarm size (avg): 0 ⟲ | Jul 18 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | I can't imagine who is paying $20 a ticket to go to the movies. | Jul 18 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | Seems pretty busy on $5 Tuesdays. | Jul 18 22:59 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | we've not gone since before covid-19 | Jul 18 22:59 |
| phanes | nice i just bought 87 million shiba inu coins | Jul 18 22:59 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | rianne will leave manchester this month for firfst time since 202220 | Jul 18 23:00 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 2020 | Jul 18 23:00 |
| AdmFubar | I was about to say... damn can she time travel | Jul 18 23:00 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | phanes: I bought 3 trillion roycoin | Jul 18 23:00 |
| phanes | that shits going to hit over a penny in a few years | Jul 18 23:01 |
| AdmFubar | or the fan | Jul 18 23:01 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | so you pumped real money into a fantasy | Jul 18 23:02 |
| phanes | its easier to take risks when you have money | Jul 18 23:04 |
| phanes | i plan on quadrupling that stake over the next six mo | Jul 18 23:05 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | and then you have less money | Jul 18 23:05 |
| techrights-news | GstVA H.264 encoder, compositor and JPEG decoder • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167387 | Jul 18 23:06 |
| phanes | when i hit 4M im retiring | Jul 18 23:06 |
| techrights-news | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167388 | Jul 18 23:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GstVA H.264 encoder, compositor and JPEG decoder | Tux Machines | Jul 18 23:07 | |
| techrights-news | Rocky Linux / Fedora / Red Hat / IBM Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167389 | Jul 18 23:07 |
| elephant | "if the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use was the rule?" A.Chigurgh | Jul 18 23:07 |
| techrights-news | PopOS Video and Review • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167390 | Jul 18 23:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Jul 18 23:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Rocky Linux / Fedora / Red Hat / IBM Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jul 18 23:08 | |
| britney | i use arch btw | Jul 18 23:08 |
| elephant | strange somehow, the cruelty, in this movie, nonetheless, the landscape and atmosphere, in Texas 1980 | Jul 18 23:08 |
| elephant | it's almost a place, of destinity and freedom | Jul 18 23:08 |
| phanes | id prob use the free time and cash flow from the interest to hire a few undergrads to finally build out the rest of surro | Jul 18 23:09 |
| elephant | as was said in the opening: "you have to say, ok. i want to be part of this world." | Jul 18 23:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PopOS Video and Review | Tux Machines | Jul 18 23:09 | |
| elephant | after the sherrif explained, the "old-timers" didn't carry any guns, "hard to believe" | Jul 18 23:10 |
| phanes | so whats the deal is elephant a bot or something | Jul 18 23:10 |
| techrights-news | Forecast now says 41 degrees tomorrow in Manchester. That would be an all-time record, but other forecasts do not agree. | Jul 18 23:10 |
| elephant | i'm just wondering, where that is, Texas Instruments | Jul 18 23:11 |
| elephant | who ship TTL7400 series chips, for 50 years now | Jul 18 23:11 |
| elephant | until schestowitz[TR2] and DaemonFC, the bots, interrupted | Jul 18 23:11 |
| MinceR | https://files.catbox.moe/uh2gre.jpg | Jul 18 23:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Failed connect to files.catbox.moe:443; Network is unreachable ( status 0 @ https://files.catbox.moe/uh2gre.jpg ) | Jul 18 23:12 | |
| techrights-news | other sources say 36 degrees tomorrow, same as today (still very exceptionally hot) gemini://auragem.space/weather/imperial/location?manchester%2C%20uk gemini://caolan.uk/cgi-bin/weather.py/wxfcs/352509 | Jul 18 23:12 |
| phanes | how do i mute the bot in irssi? | Jul 18 23:12 |
| MinceR | with /ignore | Jul 18 23:13 |
| MinceR | (see /help ignore) | Jul 18 23:13 |
| phanes | elephant: you done bein a bot? | Jul 18 23:13 |
| elephant | phanes: simply see the scrollback, who bots are | Jul 18 23:13 |
| elephant | to name two of them, schestowitz[TR2] and DaemonFC | Jul 18 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, if you put $1,000 in Bitcoin the day of Matt Damon's Super Bowl ad you'd have like $290 now. | Jul 18 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | Something like that. | Jul 18 23:14 |
| MinceR | 🍿 | Jul 18 23:14 |
| techrights-news | Cutelyst v3.5 relicensed as BSD-3-Clause - Dantti’s Blog ⚓ https://dantti.wordpress.com/2022/07/18/cutelyst-v3-5-relicensed-as-bsd-3-clause/ ䷉ Source: dantti | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//dantti.wordpress.com/2022/07/18/cutelyst-v3-5-relicensed-as-bsd-3-clause/ | Jul 18 23:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dantti.wordpress.com | Cutelyst v3.5 relicensed as BSD-3-Clause – Dantti's Blog | Jul 18 23:14 | |
| phanes | i hadd $100 in BTC in 2007 | Jul 18 23:14 |
| britney | <elephant> to name two of them, schestowitz[TR2] and DaemonFC <--- XD | Jul 18 23:15 |
| phanes | i was physically sick in 2016 when i checked the price and went tearing through my old archives looking for the crypto wallet to find i had sold that position because i didnt think btc would go anywhere and i was hungry that night | Jul 18 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | Wasn't that two years before they existed? | Jul 18 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | I doubt Bitcoin will just "go away" but reality has definitely set in. | Jul 18 23:16 |
| phanes | it wasnt 2007. it was 2012. | Jul 18 23:16 |
| elephant | same boring story again: "dumped a dollor into shit, now shit is worth 100 times more shit, can't find my shit, sold that shit" | Jul 18 23:16 |
| elephant | shit | Jul 18 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | Now the shit has gone to shit. | Jul 18 23:17 |
| techrights-news | Preprocessing for improving the quality of the output https://quochungtran.github.io/junk/2022/07/14/week3-4.html | Jul 18 23:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-quochungtran.github.io | <Weeks 3,4> Preprocessing for improving the quality of the output | My Journey at google summer of Code 2022 | Jul 18 23:17 | |
| DaemonFC | Oh shit. | Jul 18 23:17 |
| phanes | i think shiba will explode | Jul 18 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | I doubt Bitcoin will ever see those prices again. | Jul 18 23:17 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | maybe they can recycle the brand | Jul 18 23:18 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | and sell bitcoin(r) laptops | Jul 18 23:19 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | like microsoft did with surface(tm) | Jul 18 23:19 |
| AdmFubar | they will see those numbers again...... just with minuses in front of them... | Jul 18 23:19 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | not to justify banksters and central banksters, but.. | Jul 18 23:20 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | the regimes get what they want usually | Jul 18 23:20 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | if they fail at first, they start bombiing | Jul 18 23:20 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | china banned all the fakecoins | Jul 18 23:20 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | and other countries followed | Jul 18 23:20 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | except el salvador | Jul 18 23:20 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | the world's bank ;_) | Jul 18 23:20 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | if thse don't collapse on their own, the media will berate and malign them | Jul 18 23:21 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | and then, if all else fails, there will be bans | Jul 18 23:21 |
| techrights-news | "I didn't get what this was until I looked at the picture. In England, that would be called Yorkshire pudding, and it's a savoury thing that you serve with a roast dinner. You'd normally make it in a baking tray instead of a pan with a handle, which might save burns." gemini://freeshell.de/gemlog/2022-07-18_Re__The_Dutch_Baby_Incident.gmi | Jul 18 23:22 |
| techrights-news | "Our hedgehog, Kino, was initially quite scared of us. He has grown more friendly and curious in recent months, but he still does not like to be touched. We take hin outside using a fabric bag called a "snuggle sack", and a few nights ago he emerged from the sack into the darkness of the backyard." gemini://jsreed5.org/log/2022/202207/20220718-2022-week-26-27-28-photos.gmi | Jul 18 23:24 |
| elephant | anyway, back to the freedom scam sold by GNU/FSF | Jul 18 23:27 |
| elephant | how could anyone of them with a straight face say it's "free" | Jul 18 23:27 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | frie | Jul 18 23:29 |
| elephant | GNU/FSF, their #1 project, GCC, targets specific vendors | Jul 18 23:30 |
| elephant | those vendors, ship products, which the Verilog/HDL are withheld for | Jul 18 23:30 |
| elephant | yet, FSF says it's "free" | Jul 18 23:30 |
| elephant | it's endorsed, or "RYF" certified, with "permissive license" | Jul 18 23:31 |
| techrights-news | 'My troubles begin after I get a good harvest' ⚓ https://ruralindiaonline.org/en/articles/my-troubles-begin-after-i-get-a-good-harvest/ ䷉ Source: ruralindiaonline | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//ruralindiaonline.org/en/articles/my-troubles-begin-after-i-get-a-good-harvest/ | Jul 18 23:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ruralindiaonline.org | 'My troubles begin after I get a good harvest' | Jul 18 23:31 | |
| techrights-news | "This results in a queue of thoughts, many of which never get published. The technologist in me wants to find a way to automate this." https://blog.jim-nielsen.com/2022/writing-and-waiting/ | Jul 18 23:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.jim-nielsen.com | Writing and Waiting - Jim Nielsen’s Blog | Jul 18 23:33 | |
| elephant | it's not like there wasn't any alternative, yet GNU/FSF got their own vision of what's supposed to be "free" | Jul 18 23:33 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | FSF focuses or focused on unix but gpol | Jul 18 23:33 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | now mostly gpl | Jul 18 23:33 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | even if not unixy | Jul 18 23:33 |
| techrights-news | Punching above our state: foreign missions abound, but where’s the agency for taxpayers? - Michael West ⚓ https://michaelwest.com.au/punching-above-our-state-foreign-missions-abound-but-wheres-the-agency-for-taxpayers/ ䷉ Source: michaelwest | Jul 18 23:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-michaelwest.com.au | Punching above our state: foreign missions abound, but where's the agency for taxpayers? - Michael West | Jul 18 23:34 | |
| techrights-news | "With new version 9.0 Rocky Linux joins the list of ppc64le-compatible CentOS clone" http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167237#comment-34384 | Jul 18 23:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Rocky Linux 9 Officially Released with GNOME 40 Desktop, Improved Security | Tux Machines | Jul 18 23:36 | |
| techrights-news | Security Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167391 | Jul 18 23:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jul 18 23:36 | |
| elephant | nonetheless, it isn't free as in free, whatever GNU/FSF focused on | Jul 18 23:38 |
| elephant | in fact, GCC nowadays, is a hindrance to free software | Jul 18 23:42 |
| elephant | "free software", made in usa, what have we got instead... llvm to compile GPU shaders for video games, to entertain home-grown terrorists with video games | Jul 18 23:45 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | kde made in germany, has ame isues | Jul 18 23:47 |
| elephant | and "web browsers" i call those malware execution environments | Jul 18 23:47 |
| elephant | i wiped all kde/gtk/x11 all of this, while ago already, not worth any discussion anymore | Jul 18 23:47 |
| techrights-news | Leftovers: Free, Libre, and Open Source Software • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167392 | Jul 18 23:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Free, Libre, and Open Source Software | Tux Machines | Jul 18 23:48 | |
| techrights-news | KDE and GNOME Development Work • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167393 | Jul 18 23:48 |
| techrights-news | Today’s 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167394 | Jul 18 23:48 |
| elephant | ^it's all poisoned | Jul 18 23:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE and GNOME Development Work | Tux Machines | Jul 18 23:48 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Jul 18 23:48 | |
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| elephant | somewhat ironic, according to wikipedia, it was UN who funded parts of this, harfbuzz/graphite unicode font rendering | Jul 18 23:49 |
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| elephant | and i mean, if the technical crap wiped removed most of their ideological bull with it, sadly not | Jul 18 23:49 |
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| elephant | so, may they wreck the entire tech industry, i don't give a whatever about this | Jul 18 23:50 |
| britney | a big problem with KDE is that its mainly C++ | Jul 18 23:50 |
| britney | C++ is trash | Jul 18 23:50 |
| elephant | the compilers are | Jul 18 23:50 |
| elephant | but hey, "save the planet", and climate and this and that | Jul 18 23:51 |
| elephant | they're still proud of this, the mountain of shit they produced | Jul 18 23:51 |
| britney | https://imgur.com/a/C3bEdEt | Jul 18 23:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Imgur: The magic of the Internet | Jul 18 23:52 | |
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| britney | I love that meme I just linked | Jul 18 23:52 |
| elephant | the "free" web browser i got cannot render any imgur images | Jul 18 23:52 |
| britney | elephant, what trash browser is that? | Jul 18 23:53 |
| elephant | and i am not willing to install any of the "free" malware | Jul 18 23:53 |
| elephant | several: lynx, links, w3m | Jul 18 23:53 |
| phanes | is C++ trash or do you struggle with OOP paradigms | Jul 18 23:53 |
| elephant | i programmed with many OOP languages, mostly java, little c++ only, it's not OOP | Jul 18 23:53 |
| britney | phanes, this sums it up: http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/ | Jul 18 23:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-harmful.cat-v.org | C++ is Good for the Economy, It Creates Jobs! | Jul 18 23:54 | |
| britney | also: http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/OO_programming/ | Jul 18 23:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-harmful.cat-v.org | Object Oriented Programming is Inherently Harmful | Jul 18 23:54 | |
| britney | cat-v are unix geniuses | Jul 18 23:54 |
| phanes | all i see here are snarky quotes | Jul 18 23:54 |
| britney | they do have links to articles too | Jul 18 23:55 |
| britney | i've been teaching myself to code in Golang and one of the best things is not having to use gcc | Jul 18 23:55 |
| phanes | in any case, yes, C++ is absolutely OOP, you should stop listening to whoever told you that | Jul 18 23:56 |
| phanes | because it sounds like whoever it was doesnt know oop or c++ | Jul 18 23:56 |
| elephant | to be fair with GNU in this case, it wasn't them who invented c++, it was AT&T/Bell Labs | Jul 18 23:56 |
| phanes | c++ deserves criticism for its runaway language standards though | Jul 18 23:57 |
| elephant | c++ exactly what? the standards? the language features? or their implementation and compilers? | Jul 18 23:58 |
| elephant | i'll not invest any minute of my time into any of it | Jul 18 23:58 |
| britney | elephant, https://i.imgur.com/vxSNI3k.jpg <-- might work | Jul 18 23:59 |
| phanes | a little bit of all 3 but my biggest grievance with is is the breadth of features and syntax tumors, they would do well to gut about 3/4 of it out and call it c++-light or something | Jul 18 23:59 |
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