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● Jul 18
[00:02]	psydruid	https://www.afr.com/companies/transport/why-is-flying-out-of-australia-so-expensive-20230605-p5de55
[00:02]	TR Bot	 Why flying out of Australia is so expensive; what Qantas and Qatar want
[00:07]	TR News	Microsoft Layoffs Still Ongoing, This Wave Did Not End | Techrights http://techrights.org/2023/07/17/microsoft-layoffs-still-ongoing/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2023/07/17/microsoft-layoffs-still-ongoing/
[00:07]	TR Bot	 Microsoft Layoffs Still Ongoing, This Wave Did Not End | Techrights
[00:10]	AdmFubar	https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2023/07/17/eu_regulator_to_next_week/
[00:10]	TR Bot	 EU to launch formal probe into Microsoft Teams and Office The Register
[00:12]	AdmFubar	https://arstechnica.com/?p=1954536
[00:12]	TR Bot	 AT&T stock fell to 29-year low on Friday and sank another 6.7% today | Ars Technica
[00:15]	DaemonFC	https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/17/business/ford-f150-lightning-electric-vehicle-prices.html
[00:15]	TR Bot	 Ford Slashes Price of Electric F-150 Lightning as Demand Weakens - The New York Times
[00:15]	DaemonFC	schestowitz Demand COOLS due to SLOWING GROWTH while Yellen eats Mushrooms with XI.
[00:17]	DaemonFC	"Manufacturers are having a Field of Dreams moment, said Jonathan Gregory, a senior manager of economic and industry insight at Cox. They have built E.V. inventory, but now they wait for buyers to come."
[00:17]	DaemonFC	$70,000 car.....
[00:17]	DaemonFC	So you can drive to a failed bank and tap on the glass.
[00:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-07-17.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-07-18.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[00:31]	AdmFubar	is that how much you spent on the buick so far>
[00:31]	AdmFubar	??
[00:31]	AdmFubar	what a deal!!!
[00:31]	schestowitz	:-)
[00:31]	schestowitz	baby on board
[00:33]	AdmFubar	i noticed.. it does go  waaaa! a lot here
[00:33]	AdmFubar	when will they learn?  https://www.darkreading.com/remote-workforce/microsoft-logging-tax-hinders-incident-response
[00:33]	TR Bot	 Microsoft 'Logging Tax' Hinders Incident Response, Experts Warn
[00:33]	schestowitz	when the bill arrives
[00:33]	schestowitz	"A recent email compromise by Chinese APT group Storm-0558 highlights a lack of access to security logging by many Microsoft 365 license holders, prompting calls from researchers to abolish it."
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[00:37]	TR News	"At some point down the road retrocomputing will include using Python 2" gemini://bbs.geminispace.org/u/Addison/3216
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[00:46]	DaemonFC	No.
[00:47]	DaemonFC	Teslas cost about $70,000 and you get to drive them for maybe 3-4 years before they're rusted like having been stored in salt water and door handles break and you can't get service.
[00:47]	DaemonFC	They do not have long happy car lives in STATE OF ILL.
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[00:48]	DaemonFC	What you end up with is 20 years of undercarriage rust after 3 years and half the rated battery range for half the year.
[00:48]	DaemonFC	Both due to harsh winters.
[00:48]	DaemonFC	You might be okay in California or something as far as the rust goes.
[00:48]	DaemonFC	They don't treat the undercarriage like actual car companies do.
[00:49]	DaemonFC	Ford and GM have a lot of experience with how foul weather affects the underside of a car.
[00:49]	DaemonFC	And they treat it to stand up to the elements a lot better than Tesla does.
[00:50]	DaemonFC	schestowitz We got MOAR money from GULAG today.
[00:50]	DaemonFC	Not Matt GULAG, who can't even tip them enough to deliver a piping hot CHEESE PIZZA on time.
[00:50]	DaemonFC	But the company.
[00:50]	TR News	EPOs Patent Invalidity and Low Patent Quality Issues Get the Attention of Christian Wichard (Deputy Director General at Germanys Federal Ministry of Justice and Consumer Protection) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2023/07/17/christian-wichard-and-epo/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2023/07/17/christian-wichard-and-epo/
[00:50]	TR Bot	 EPOs Patent Invalidity and Low Patent Quality Issues Get the Attention of Christian Wichard (Deputy Director General at Germanys Federal Ministry of Justice and Consumer Protection) | Techrights
[00:51]	DaemonFC	I always thought South Park was hilarious with the gay jokes, honestly.
[00:51]	DaemonFC	It just amazes me how thin-skinned people have gotten.
[00:51]	schestowitz	that is an issue
[00:52]	schestowitz	<DaemonFC> Teslas cost about $70,000 and you get to drive them for maybe 3-4 years before they're rusted like having been stored in salt water and door handles break and you can't get service.
[00:52]	schestowitz	cars are awful investment
[00:52]	DaemonFC	He was trying to think up ways to be the biggest "demented faggot" (his own words) he could so the school board would have to fire him, triggering a lawsuit.
[00:52]	schestowitz	they depreciate in value even faster now than decades ago
[00:52]	schestowitz	not just because of overly complex and proprietary components
[00:52]	DaemonFC	There really are some out there like that and it hurts everyone.
[00:52]	schestowitz	btw, the banks here now offer 5.4% interest
[00:52]	schestowitz	tax free if ISA
[00:52]	DaemonFC	But even South Park wouldn't stoop so low as to suggest a link between homosexuality and child abuse.
[00:53]	DaemonFC	I mean, they kind of made a joke about it, but it was just a joke.
[00:53]	schestowitz	so if you have 200,000 dollars you can live on the interest alone
[00:53]	schestowitz	rather than go into debt like gulagboy
[00:53]	DaemonFC	Garrison says, "No, I like men my own age, I mean....."
[00:53]	DaemonFC	Like he accidentally outed himself as gay in the rush to defend against the constant (truly abusive) accusation that he MUST be a pedophile.
[00:53]	schestowitz	back to tech pls
[00:54]	schestowitz	tesla is subsidised
[00:54]	schestowitz	at this point, with this ECONOMIC MARVEL (not!) of Biden, it'll flounder
[00:54]	DaemonFC	It's impossible for heterosexuals to truly grasp how annoying it is for the pedophilia accusations to constantly come up.
[00:54]	schestowitz	it's just taxpayers feeding a failing company
[00:54]	schestowitz	that didn't make any money until years back
[00:54]	DaemonFC	There's no, "Oh, I'm a heterosexual..." "Oh, so do you like, fondle little girls and stuff?"
[00:55]	DaemonFC	If it came up all the goddamned time they'd finally realize how awful they're being when they do this to us.
[00:55]	DaemonFC	"I'm a Jew." "Oh, so you're a MONEYCHANGER then? Off loansharking, I suppose. Family business, right?"
[00:56]	DaemonFC	That's the Jew version of what gay people have to tolerate.
[00:56]	DaemonFC	The closest it gets I think.
[00:57]	DaemonFC	The way it works is people perpetuate a stereotype that has no basis in reality, but it's the worst thing people would react to.
[00:57]	DaemonFC	Then they get it going, and it never ends.
[00:58]	DaemonFC	schestowitz I was talking to VIKINGFELTA about the Catholics and child abuse.
[00:58]	DaemonFC	And he says they let a lot of "gay perverts" in.
[00:58]	DaemonFC	Tesla gets most of its money from two places.
[00:59]	DaemonFC	1. Direct subsidies from tax payers.
[00:59]	DaemonFC	2. Subsidies passed along to people who buy a real car from some other company, wherein a fine is calculated based on the arbitrary definition of what constitutes a gas guzzler.
[00:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 34.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 215.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
● Jul 18
[01:00]	DaemonFC	Without either one of those, the company would just go ahead and fail because Tesla is in the business of fraud and lemon socialism, not car sales.
[01:01]	DaemonFC	Lemon Socialism isn't hard to explain. It's where society has to suffer to prop up all the lemons. Bad banks, companies that shouldn't exist because they don't make a product people want to buy, etc.
[01:01]	DaemonFC	In Lemon Socialism, there's rarely a case where the government avoids racking up a huge public debt, despite not generously funding social programs for citizens in need.
[01:02]	DaemonFC	So this explains the US economy very well.
[01:02]	schestowitz	lEmon Musk
[01:02]	DaemonFC	The Democrats and Republicans got together and gave us an economy based on bailouts to zombie companies and it ends in disaster.
[01:03]	DaemonFC	It's zombie companies and "defense contractors".
[01:03]	DaemonFC	And it turns out that while we produced a bunch of munitions, they weren't the kind of stuff that we needed on hand to respond to what Russia actually ended up doing.
[01:03]	DaemonFC	Even the tanks that NATO handed to Ukraine aren't performing impressively.
[01:04]	DaemonFC	They're getting blown to hell by cheap Russian mines. A third of them are gone already and the rest can't go anywhere.
[01:05]	DaemonFC	The heavy stuff we built in anticipation of "Russian tanks coming through Europe" actually aren't helping them a lot. If anything, the Russians will tow some of it off and figure out how it works, and hand some to China and laugh at us.
[01:06]	DaemonFC	The defensive stuff was performing a lot better because there wasn't anythign truly top secret that was a huge liability were it to be captured, and it inflicted a hell of a lot of damage for what it cost us.
[01:06]	TR News	[Meme] When Obeying Laws Means Making Less Money | Techrights http://techrights.org/2023/07/17/obeying-laws-and-profits/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2023/07/17/obeying-laws-and-profits/
[01:06]	TR Bot	 [Meme] When Obeying Laws Means Making Less Money | Techrights
[01:07]	DaemonFC	The Russians already have anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons that are similar in capability to what we gave Ukraine initially, and the Chinese do too.
[01:08]	DaemonFC	As far as fighter jets, we'd have to give them something new enough to be a threat to the Russians, and old enough that it's not anything they don't know about.
[01:09]	DaemonFC	The war in Yugoslavia where the F-117 Nighthawk was shot down was a major blunder, that incident was, at the time.
[01:09]	DaemonFC	You don't want to field your latest and greatest just to see it shot down by some Russian missile and given to the Chinese or something.
[01:09]	schestowitz	maybe the goal is not to end the conflict
[01:10]	schestowitz	more slaes as long as i lingers on, in stalemate 
[01:10]	DaemonFC	There were other ways to degrade the enemy in that war.
[01:10]	DaemonFC	I think Bill Clinton probably fielded the F-117 and told them how to shoot it down.
[01:10]	DaemonFC	We know the Chinese laundered a lot of money into his Presidential campaigns.
[01:11]	DaemonFC	I can't really think of a way the F-117 made sense in order to carry out bombing runs.
[01:16]	TR News	Windows down to about 11% in South Africa https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/all/south-africa/#monthly-200901-202307
[01:16]	TR Bot	 Operating System Market Share South Africa | Statcounter Global Stats
[01:19]	DaemonFC	schestowitz I wonder if that's just a sign of poverty.
[01:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-07-17.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-07-18.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[01:20]	DaemonFC	You know, the ANC has ruined the economic progress in South Africa.
[01:20]	DaemonFC	They're back to digging pit toilets and dealing with rolling blackouts and an AIDS crisis.
[01:20]	DaemonFC	They've shown that they can't run the country properly, on any front.
[01:21]	DaemonFC	schestowitz "In Western countries people are hard-working, conservative, intelligent, and we have limited our population growth while creating wealth through hard work and intelligent social systems. The 'transition" was a combination of four things: sanitation, food preservation, science including medical, and family size control." -Felta
[01:21]	DaemonFC	Felta sez.
[01:22]	DaemonFC	" Western countries are wealthier, but people did not just walk there and pick it up off the ground. We CREATED it."
[01:22]	DaemonFC	"The impoverished areas are places where people have chosen not to make the transition and they have not created a good cultural system that creates wealth. It was and is a choice, though they have dug themselves in awfully deep now.
[01:22]	DaemonFC	Where Western countries are to blame it is because we have shared food and medical resources enough to offset plague and starvation that had traditionally reduced the population in non-western places, while they have by their own choice not changed any of the things that made things bad there. They did not control family size, mostly. They chose. They did.
[01:22]	DaemonFC	The difference is that "we" have created a better place to be, and "they" - as a group - have elected to be lazier and have lots of kids. It really is just that. It is the truth, and you can act like it isn't but that will never fix anything. The best of "them" get up and leave to a Western country to where the culture lets them create wealth, and some of the worst of them emigrate to where...
[01:22]	DaemonFC	...they can steal and be a burden. The larger group stays as is."
[01:23]	DaemonFC	Not all of this is wrong, but I would say that some of it is.
[01:23]	DaemonFC	The whole reason anyone is dying of AIDS, quite simply, are drug patents.
[01:23]	DaemonFC	It's cheaper to make AIDS pills than it is to make a bag of discount potato chips.
[01:23]	DaemonFC	But the AIDS medicine costs $4,000 a month because of patents.
[01:24]	DaemonFC	The program the US government runs simply shifts the problem to the public coffers.
[01:24]	DaemonFC	The pharmaceutical industry would have to lower prices if the government didn't obligate itself to pay and then set up the conditions under which only one company can make drugs that public tax dollars were poured into researching.
[01:25]	DaemonFC	Right now, there are combination AIDS drugs that doctors simply don't prescribe anymore, because they're crooks and they're "in on it".
[01:25]	DaemonFC	For example, Atripla would still work in most patients and costs $87 a month with GoodRX.
[01:26]	DaemonFC	There's basically nothing to call a system that allows drug companies to shower doctors with bribes and then expects them to pitch their latest product than corrupt to the point it's a crime against humanity.
[01:27]	DaemonFC	If the government is going to put public money towards dealing with the AIDS crisis it should put some into investigating doctors and sending them to prison for looting the public purse.
[01:31]	DaemonFC	schestowitz So I just staged our meal at McDonalds so I could sit there and keep using app coupons.
[01:31]	DaemonFC	Eat some food, wait out the 15 minutes, another coupon.
[01:31]	DaemonFC	Pay with Google Pay.
[01:32]	TR News	For the First Time, Linux Crosses 40% Market Share in France (Well, GNU/Linux and Android) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2023/07/17/gnu-linux-and-android-in-france/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2023/07/17/gnu-linux-and-android-in-france/
[01:32]	TR Bot	 For the First Time, Linux Crosses 40% Market Share in France (Well, GNU/Linux and Android) | Techrights
[01:32]	DaemonFC	I did that like three times. I sent Mandy to work tomorrow with a crispy chicken and an apple pie.
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[01:33]	DaemonFC	I'd love to give him some money to just get something to eat on his lunch break but what he does is goes without eating, says he's hungry. "What did you do with the money?" *shrugs* More garbage for the pile.
[01:33]	DaemonFC	That's not how this is going to work.
[01:34]	DaemonFC	This reminds me of when I was a little kid. Parents wouldn't give me an allowance. What would I do? Skip lunch at school, pocket the $1.50 until I had enough for a video game.
[01:34]	DaemonFC	"Ryan, why are we getting letters from the Principal saying we're not feeding you?" Meanwhile, I was a rather hefty child. Obviously I was eating SOMETHING.
[01:35]	DaemonFC	I mean, you have kids, they figure out ways to be wily and meanwhile you're getting letters from Child Protective Services as if you were chaining them to the toilet and crushing cigarettes on them.
[01:35]	DaemonFC	You can't win unless you don't play the game.
[01:35]	schestowitz	back to tech now..
[01:35]	schestowitz	not diary
[01:41]	TR News	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D655.jpg
[01:41]	TR News	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D981.jpg
[01:41]	TR News	Child, you want to be a surrealist? gopher://triapul.cz/0/phlog/2023-07-17-child-you-want-to-be-a-surrealist.txt
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[01:46]	TR News	Gemini Links 17/07/2023: Art and Home Lab | Techrights http://techrights.org/2023/07/17/home-lab/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2023/07/17/home-lab/
[01:46]	TR Bot	 Gemini Links 17/07/2023: Art and Home Lab | Techrights
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[01:49]	schestowitz	on Microsoft layoffs this weekend:
[01:49]	schestowitz	(quite racist)
[01:49]	schestowitz	"Indians are the biggest bootlickers you'll meet. They'll do anything to make you think they are western. They'll whiten their skin and put up Christmas trees. Many are already supporting Trump. What else do you need to do to be a modern Christian?
[01:49]	schestowitz	The Chinese no longer need to come to here because their technological pace exceeds the US. "
[01:49]	schestowitz	https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1nDiyuA7#replies
[01:49]	TR Bot	 'Tough to write this with tears in eyes...' - post regarding Microsoft Corp. layoffs
[01:50]	TR News	Biggest instance of Invidious down again. What happened now? https://yewtu.be/
[01:51]	TR Bot	( status 502 @ https://yewtu.be/ )
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[01:55]	schestowitz	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrcC-vUYXMw&pp=ygUFK2xicnk%3D
[01:55]	TR Bot	https://invidious.projectsegfau.lt/watch?v=yrcC-vUYXMw
[01:55]	TR Bot	invidious.projectsegfau.lt | OH NO... SEC JUST WON THE LBRY CASE... (Bullish for XRP?) - Invidious
[01:57]	schestowitz	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KOQkX0ER2Y&pp=ygUFK2xicnk%3D
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[01:57]	TR Bot	https://inv.zzls.xyz/watch?v=8KOQkX0ER2Y
[01:57]	TR Bot	inv.zzls.xyz | GARY GENSLER SPEAKS OUT ON RIPPLE XRP WIN!? | $XRP TO $1!!! - Invidious
[01:59]	DaemonFC	[Monday 7:49:14pm]schestowitz"Indians are the biggest bootlickers you'll meet. They'll do anything to make you think they are western. They'll whiten their skin and put up Christmas trees. Many are already supporting Trump. What else do you need to do to be a modern Christian?
[01:59]	DaemonFC	[Monday 7:49:14pm]schestowitzThe Chinese no longer need to come to here because their technological pace exceeds the US. "
[01:59]	DaemonFC	Another Cantrell.
[01:59]	DaemonFC	Maybe he'll return and shoot or knife people.
[01:59]	DaemonFC	Like Dr. GULAG fantasizes about.
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[01:59]	TR News	LBRY Closes Doors After $111K Securities Fraud Fine https://www.banklesstimes.com/news/2023/07/17/lbry-closes-doors-after-dollar111k-securities-fraud-fine/
[01:59]	DaemonFC	On his public blog.
[01:59]	TR Bot	 LBRY Closes Doors After $111K Securities Fraud Fine
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[02:01]	CrystalMath	oh wait LBRY?
[02:01]	CrystalMath	does that mean no more Odysee?
[02:01]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: Not sure.
[02:02]	CrystalMath	we need a youtube alternative
[02:02]	CrystalMath	youtube's gonna go mad cow any day now
[02:02]	schestowitz	self-host
[02:02]	schestowitz	Google Video Search indexes Techrights
[02:02]	schestowitz	and lists its videos
[02:02]	schestowitz	that are all self-hosted
[02:03]	XRevan86	https://twitter.com/OdyseeTeam/status/1679598353980567555 "Rebirth coming soon" <- They just wrote this.
[02:03]	TR Bot	response
[02:03]	DaemonFC	schestowitz The landlord must be leaning on those guys to wrap it up over there.
[02:03]	DaemonFC	They've been working 12 hours a day on that unit.
[02:03]	DaemonFC	Probably needed new everything and Mark just never bothered.
[02:04]	DaemonFC	Our apartment has been invaded by earwigs around the time they started working on that.
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[02:04]	schestowitz	https://www.google.com/search?q=techrights+irc&biw=1600&bih=770&tbm=vid
[02:04]	TR Bot	irc - Google Search
[02:04]	schestowitz	maybe Mark was  too broke
[02:05]	schestowitz	to invest in anythng
[02:05]	schestowitz	so he passed the baron
[02:05]	schestowitz	baton
[02:05]	schestowitz	and maybe lost a lot of money somewhere else
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[02:06]	schestowitz	Sp Gulag indexes videos that say "F****" and "Sh***'
[02:06]	schestowitz	They are now controlled by Gulag's YouTube
[02:06]	schestowitz	CrystalMath: invidious is under attack too
[02:07]	CrystalMath	schestowitz: not really, that was bullcrap
[02:07]	schestowitz	what was
[02:07]	schestowitz	?
[02:07]	CrystalMath	the letter
[02:08]	CrystalMath	we'll see if there's any serious threats to invidious
[02:08]	CrystalMath	but i suspect they will be technical
[02:09]	DaemonFC	https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/16/business/energy-environment/electric-vehicles-backup-power.html
[02:09]	TR Bot	 A New Job for Electric Vehicles: Powering Homes During Blackouts - The New York Times
[02:09]	DaemonFC	EVs are causing blackouts, but you can totally void your warranty and run the fridge on them.
[02:09]	DaemonFC	During the blackout that they caused.
[02:11]	schestowitz	EVs are a hog on the grid
[02:11]	schestowitz	and since they cannot use gasoline
[02:11]	schestowitz	and you cannot hoard much electricity
[02:11]	schestowitz	imagine what will happen during energy crises
[02:11]	schestowitz	anyway, there's growing concsensus around EVs not solving the climate issues
[02:11]	schestowitz	they just help sell more cars
[02:15]	DaemonFC	I've heard mixed things about OpenSUSE Tumbleweed.
[02:15]	DaemonFC	I suppose that huge breaking changes are unavoidable. It would probably be worse than running Fedora.
[02:15]	DaemonFC	No warning, here's a new glibc, watch out.
[02:16]	DaemonFC	Huge ABI changes that break a lot of things for no reason and shit GNU branding everywhere.
[02:16]	DaemonFC	Those are becoming more common, and this quite frankly does help scare people into buying RHEL.
[02:17]	DaemonFC	The Linux crowd has largely gone along with a lot of non-standard and broken GNU behaviors, oddities, and questionable features.
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[02:18]	DaemonFC	Vendor lock-in. You can't escape Linux when programs start supporting a bunch of other crap that goes along with Linux.
[02:18]	DaemonFC	It's building a hegemony by not playing well with others.
[02:19]	DaemonFC	Where was this FSF statement on the latest Red Hat ambush?
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[02:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-07-17.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-07-18.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[02:22]	AdmFubar	this is grand! https://arstechnica.com/?p=1954394
[02:22]	TR Bot	 Owners of troubled VanMoof e-bikes get their software keys from rival company | Ars Technica
[02:29]	DaemonFC	schestowitz From a post I'm writing:
[02:29]	DaemonFC	"One thing that disturbs me that's coming up in Fedora was a discussion on IRC last night about a proposed "feature" that gathers more information about users, that will be on by default and set to land in Fedora 40.
[02:29]	DaemonFC	These "reports" along with crash reporting, and GNOME Telemetry, should be turned off and/or uninstalled by the user. Together, they actually are reporting more and more information about the user, which is ironically one of the reasons why we normally tell people to get rid of Windows.
[02:29]	DaemonFC	Even in 2010, the US NSA was cracking jokes about Windows sending error reports, and it did them without even encrypting them, so the NSA would just intercept the report and gather what vulnerabilities were likely to exist in the computer they were targeting.
[02:29]	DaemonFC	A crash dump could contain basically anything that was in your computer's memory when an error happened and they are truly impossible to actually anonymize. 
[02:29]	DaemonFC	With the rest of the "telemetry", you just basically have to read their privacy policy and then trust they'll do what they say, and even what they admit they do is usually too bad to agree to. For example, Windows not only sends Telemetry to Microsoft, but 450+ "partners" and Microsoft, were it even trustworthy (LOL), can't control "partners".
[02:29]	DaemonFC	It's just very disheartening to see so much software, like Firefox, and Fedora, "spying" on the users, and in Firefox making this connection directly to adware servers and US government contractors (like CloudFlare), just to make a quick buck, or because they don't see the user as anything other than an ant to be stepped on."
[02:33]	schestowitz	<XRevan86> https://twitter.com/OdyseeTeam/status/1679598353980567555 "Rebirth coming soon" <- They just wrote this.
[02:33]	TR Bot	response
[02:33]	schestowitz	made screenshot of it
[02:33]	schestowitz	DaemonFC: draft maybe?
[02:33]	DaemonFC	Yeah
[02:34]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2023/07/17/fate-of-lbry-protocol/
[02:34]	TR Bot	 Tough Times for Invidious and Odysee (LBRY Protocol) | Techrights
[02:35]	mjg59_	Can you point at the portion of https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Telemetry that says anything about crash reports
[02:35]	TR Bot	 Changes/Telemetry - Fedora Project Wiki
[02:36]	mjg59_	(Answer: no, because the proposed change does nothing to enable automatic crash reporting)
[02:36]	DaemonFC	mjg59_: I was pointing out that there's already too much data collection that's on by default and now they want even more.
[02:37]	DaemonFC	It's turning into a "good luck digging it all out" like Windows or Firefox
[02:37]	mjg59_	Yes, and it's designed to ensure that the data collected isn't ascribable to a user
[02:37]	DaemonFC	How do you sanitize a crash dump?
[02:37]	mjg59_	You don't, which is why they're not automatically reported
[02:37]	DaemonFC	I sanitized them by setting the storage limit to zero and uninstalling ABRT.
[02:38]	mjg59_	abrt shows you what's going to be reported and you decide whether or not to do so
[02:38]	DaemonFC	Nothing like systemd being so badly designed that it just shits coredumps into your system logs.
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[02:38]	DaemonFC	And chews disk space.
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[02:40]	DaemonFC	mjg59_: There is a toggle called Automatic Problem Reporting.
[02:40]	DaemonFC	And I do believe it was flipped ON before I turned it off.
[02:40]	DaemonFC	And that's in GNOME.
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[02:41]	DaemonFC	It also tells me my laptop isn't secure because I haven't updated a malicious rootkit recently.
[02:41]	DaemonFC	Intel Management Engine ( which is only updated with a firmware update they package for Windows)
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[02:42]	DaemonFC	Having the latest malware is the only way to be secure!
[02:42]	DaemonFC	You need the malware OS to install the latest hardware malware.
[02:42]	DaemonFC	You are not secure!
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[02:47]	DaemonFC	I do have a dbx of course, but whatever version it's at is two years old.
[02:47]	DaemonFC	I stopped them from updating it deliberately even though "Secure Boot" is off.
[02:48]	DaemonFC	One way they bit me with Secure Boot was a dbx update that stopped my old laptop from booting Fedora until I entered the firmware and reset it.
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[02:49]	schestowitz	DaemonFC: u just hatin' on the uefi coz u don't like security!!
[02:53]	MinceR	lol
[02:53]	schestowitz	"i swear on my mortgage!"
[02:54]	schestowitz	> Dr. Schestowitz,
[02:54]	schestowitz	> 
[02:54]	schestowitz	> First, I wanted to thank you for your shout-out the other week.  I
[02:54]	schestowitz	> thought it was important to reach out and let you know that your work is
[02:54]	schestowitz	> appreciated, and I meant every word of it.  Thanks again!
[02:54]	schestowitz	Thanks for the timely feedback.
[02:54]	schestowitz	> I wanted to offer a comment on your systemd video yesterday.  I remember
[02:54]	schestowitz	> there was an effort in the earliest days of systemd called uselessd
[02:54]	schestowitz	> which attempted to reign in some of the expansion of systemd and
[02:54]	schestowitz	> constrain it to its ostensible function at the time, an init
[02:54]	schestowitz	> replacement.
[02:54]	schestowitz	Yes, I remember uselessd.https://www.google.com/search?q=uselessd&sa=Google+%E2%80%BA&sitesearch=techrights.org
[02:54]	schestowitz	> Unfortunately the project stopped development.  The wayback machine has
[02:54]	schestowitz	> an archive of the site:  http://uselessd.darknedgy.net/
[02:54]	schestowitz	> 
[02:54]	schestowitz	> Some other projects aim to replicate specific features of system.  You
[02:54]	schestowitz	> mentioned eudev on the video.  There's also elogind, which is
[02:54]	schestowitz	> controversial to some.
[02:55]	TR Bot	site:techrights.org - Google Search
[02:55]	TR Bot	not resolve host: uselessd.darknedgy.net; Unknown error ( status 0 @ http://uselessd.darknedgy.net/ )
[02:55]	schestowitz	MinceR: do you know uselessd?
[02:55]	MinceR	sounds familiar
[02:56]	XRevan86	MinceR: Remember the kitchen sink?
[02:56]	MinceR	:>
[02:56]	XRevan86	uselessd had that as the logo.
[02:58]	MinceR	ah, it was meant to be a stripped down cancerd
[02:58]	MinceR	not surprising that it died, then
[02:58]	MinceR	elogind tried that already and it didn't work out well
[02:58]	schestowitz	it got cancered
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[03:09]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: Oh! The problem reports aren't crash dumps in the way that the term's usually used - they're purely a backtrace with no variable information, and they only trigger if the binaries are all packaged so they don't leak any local symbols
[03:10]	mjg59_	There's no realistic path to leaking personal information
[03:12]	TR News	Windows TCO https://isc.sans.edu/diary/rss/29946
[03:13]	TR Bot	 Analysis Method for Custom Encoding - SANS Internet Storm Center
[03:15]	mjg59_	Linux TCO https://twitter.com/IanColdwater/status/1570833981373059072
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[03:16]	mjg59_	Obfuscation isn't some magical OS-specific thing, malware authors obfuscate on every platform
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[03:19]	DaemonFC	mjg59_There's no realistic path to leaking personal information
[03:19]	TR News	"This trend may be attributed to the online platforms that provide an environment where individuals can easily find affirmation for their beliefs without necessarily improving their level of political literacy." https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/176-information/study/23837-excessive-trust-in-political-knowledge-increases-on-social-media.html
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[03:19]	DaemonFC	What about being useful if the NSA wants to figure out which OS you use and where the bugs are, like they were doing with Windows?
[03:19]	DaemonFC	And making jokes about.
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[03:20]	DaemonFC	Wouldn't you agree that transmitting NO information is always better than transmitting some or a lot?
[03:20]	mjg59_	Transmitting no information means not using the internet
[03:20]	DaemonFC	Even if it doesn't appear to be particularly useful at the time.
[03:20]	mjg59_	So there's clearly a tradeoff
[03:20]	mjg59_	Your browser leaks plenty of information about your OS
[03:21]	DaemonFC	Does it now?
[03:21]	DaemonFC	What if you like, set it to lie its fucking ass off?
[03:21]	mjg59_	The behaviour of your IP stack leaks plenty of information about your OS
[03:21]	mjg59_	Haha awh that's cute
[03:21]	DaemonFC	Send back a bunch of garbage.
[03:21]	mjg59_	You think measuring the behaviour of the sandbox doesn't leak as much, if not more, than the user agent header
[03:22]	DaemonFC	mjg59_: There was actually a problem with BitTorrent clients simply sending their user agents and stuff.
[03:22]	DaemonFC	That's why Deluge attempts a "Privacy Mode" for VPN users.
[03:22]	TR News	Hong Kong Journalists Association: Press freedom index hits new low https://www.jurist.org/news/2023/07/hong-kong-journalists-association-press-freedom-index-hits-new-low/
[03:22]	TR Bot	 Hong Kong Journalist's Association: 'Press freedom index hits new low' - JURIST - News
[03:22]	DaemonFC	You can turn it on if you like. It's supposedly going to limit what information law firms can collect about you out of the swarm.
[03:23]	DaemonFC	What do you think about things like this?
[03:23]	TR News	German Whistleblower Protection Act: Police officers should report violations themselves https://digit.site36.net/2023/07/12/german-whistleblower-protection-act-police-officers-should-report-violations/ | Source: Site36
[03:23]	TR Bot	 German Whistleblower Protection Act: Police officers should report violations themselves - Matthias Monroy
[03:23]	DaemonFC	They were obviously interested in some Reddit posts. There's no telling what they're actually logging about people that could help them in finding a victim.
[03:23]	DaemonFC	Proving it was them.
[03:24]	mjg59_	I think if you believe you're getting any sort of protection from the NSA by doing that, you're deluded
[03:24]	DaemonFC	That's not an NSA problem.
[03:24]	DaemonFC	It's a lawyer problem.
[03:24]	mjg59_	03:19 < DaemonFC> What about being useful if the NSA wants to figure out which OS you use and where the bugs are, like they were doing with Windows?
[03:24]	mjg59_	Pick an objection and stick to it
[03:25]	schestowitz	emitting info about onself is always harmful
[03:25]	schestowitz	not just when lawyers are present
[03:25]	DaemonFC	I'm generally saying if it doesn't benefit the user, at all, why send it?
[03:25]	DaemonFC	Crash reports don't help me but they could harm me.
[03:25]	mjg59_	It does benefit the user
[03:25]	schestowitz	you emit information by physical presence
[03:25]	mjg59_	It results in bugs being identified and fixed
[03:25]	schestowitz	unmasked etc. worse if you carry modern "phone"
[03:25]	schestowitz	you have nothing to gain by emitting info
[03:25]	DaemonFC	Telling Red Hat all about my computer configuration instead of being a faceless Fedora user.
[03:25]	mjg59_	It's not like developers *want* extra bug reports
[03:26]	DaemonFC	Off in the crowd.
[03:26]	DaemonFC	Telling Firefox's ad partner what sites I visit.
[03:26]	DaemonFC	So they can turn around and sell it to Facebook.
[03:26]	schestowitz	the ISP knows already
[03:26]	mjg59_	See, that's a thing that doesn't happen
[03:26]	schestowitz	and sells this data
[03:26]	DaemonFC	There's a lot of really bad shit that things like this leads to.
[03:27]	AdmFubar	schestowitz: you emit information by physical presence  <<< uhm well i emit something... more wouldnt consider it information
[03:27]	mjg59_	"We will not collect data that can identify a user, including their IP address" is a pretty firm statement
[03:27]	schestowitz	people who don't understand security also exercise poor opsec
[03:27]	DaemonFC	mjg59_: During the COVID bullshit, the government just bought location tracking info from ad companies that got it out of your Android phone.
[03:27]	schestowitz	AdmFubar: but you probably know what I meant
[03:27]	schestowitz	you cannot see me now
[03:28]	DaemonFC	I carried mine with me while I was eating in a restaurant that wasn't supposed to be open.
[03:28]	mjg59_	Roy you keep failing to redact people's personal details when you dump messages into IRC, and your home address is on the public internet
[03:28]	schestowitz	but if we worked in a shared office...
[03:28]	DaemonFC	Like that mini-series Chernobyl.
[03:28]	DaemonFC	"Fuck Gorbachev, I don't care if he's listening. I want him to hear this!"
[03:28]	mjg59_	So you're talking about a situation that isn't what's being proposed
[03:29]	DaemonFC	mjg59_: I would have gone to  court and refused to pay the fine.
[03:29]	AdmFubar	:P
[03:29]	schestowitz	DaemonFC: during covid-19 they terrorised people to give the data directly
[03:29]	DaemonFC	Fuck the Health Department.
[03:29]	schestowitz	with tracking ("safety") 'apps'
[03:29]	DaemonFC	Nobody died and made them the legislature.
[03:29]	schestowitz	they misused these
[03:29]	schestowitz	and nobody was ever held accountable
[03:29]	schestowitz	Zemlin Foundation shilled this too
[03:30]	DaemonFC	When the Illinois legislature passes an actual law that says I can't eat at a restaurant and gives the Health Department the authority to decide when that applies, I'll go along with it.
[03:30]	mjg59_	The LF's involvement in the contact tracking was restricted to the privacy preserving Android/iOS thing
[03:30]	DaemonFC	But they didn't do that.
[03:31]	DaemonFC	The Health Department started writing fines and when nobody paid the ticket, they stopped.
[03:31]	DaemonFC	Everything opened back up.
[03:31]	mjg59_	Which was actually privacy preserving! There was no way to identify individuals with it
[03:31]	mjg59_	Or track them
[03:31]	mjg59_	The only place that had the id/user linkage was the user's own phone
[03:33]	DaemonFC	The Health Department can't order me to do anything without taking it to court. Even if I had Tuberculosis and wouldn't take the medicine and was riding around on the city bus.
[03:33]	DaemonFC	They'd have to go to court.
[03:33]	schestowitz	they condition people to it
[03:33]	schestowitz	like TSA in airport
[03:33]	DaemonFC	So how do they just go in there and write you a ticket for eating at a restaurant and not cite the enabling law?
[03:33]	schestowitz	now taking more scans
[03:33]	schestowitz	the "contact-tracing" 'apps' were worse than a scam
[03:34]	starstreak	techrights = infowars
[03:34]	schestowitz	and a dangerous one
[03:34]	schestowitz	enabled by Zemlin Foundation too
[03:34]	schestowitz	with Irish authorities
[03:34]	schestowitz	https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus/police-using-spying-powers-to-probe-covid-rule-breakers-in-northern-ireland/40142004.html
[03:34]	TR Bot	'using spying powers to probe Covid rule breakers' in Northern Ireland | BelfastTelegraph.co.uk
[03:34]	schestowitz	starstreak: go nibble ona  shroom
[03:34]	starstreak	they're putting codes in the software that makes the freakin apps gay
[03:34]	DaemonFC	They were using this to see who would go along with it and who wouldn't and how long until compliance fell apart.
[03:34]	schestowitz	or apply for Microsoft jobs, AGAIN
[03:34]	DaemonFC	It was a test.
[03:35]	starstreak	i haven't had a shroom since 2006
[03:35]	DaemonFC	They did a lot of damage.
[03:35]	DaemonFC	Now nobody will pay attention to the government asking you to get a vaccine again.
[03:35]	schestowitz	DaemonFC: i guess i scored badly
[03:35]	schestowitz	didn't comply with much
[03:35]	DaemonFC	Because this one didn't work and hurt a lot of people.
[03:35]	starstreak	and LSD in 2007
[03:35]	DaemonFC	So now they're cooking up alleged RSV vaccines.
[03:36]	schestowitz	new patents
[03:36]	schestowitz	all in one
[03:36]	schestowitz	want immunity to x?
[03:36]	schestowitz	get y and z
[03:36]	DaemonFC	I walked into CVS yesterday to get my medications and they offered me a flu shot, in July.
[03:36]	schestowitz	even if that y and z part of experimental
[03:36]	DaemonFC	So it can be completely worn off by December.
[03:36]	schestowitz	COVID-19 response was a boon to antivax movement
[03:36]	schestowitz	because they reaffirmeed stigmas
[03:36]	schestowitz	by leaping past clinical trials
[03:36]	schestowitz	then gaslighting people who suffered adverse effects
[03:37]	mjg59_	https://archive.li/OszoZ - the Northern Ireland situation didn't involve covid tracking apps
[03:37]	TR Bot	communicate securely with peer: no common encryption algorithm(s). ( status 0 @ https://archive.li/OszoZ )
[03:37]	mjg59_	Roy's just making shit up
[03:37]	DaemonFC	No, they put COVID tracking APIs in your phone without asking.
[03:38]	mjg59_	Which leaked no personal information and weren't enabled unless you enabled them
[03:38]	DaemonFC	Prove it one way or the other.
[03:38]	DaemonFC	Right?
[03:38]	DaemonFC	The user sees the toggle switch off.
[03:38]	DaemonFC	And since the software is proprietary and blasts encrypted data back to all kinds of places, they can verify this easily.
[03:39]	starstreak	infowars: vaccines are bad! techrights: vaccines are bad!
[03:39]	mjg59_	https://www.google.com/covid19/exposurenotifications/ is the brief overview
[03:39]	TR Bot	Notifications: Helping fight COVID-19 - Google
[03:39]	mjg59_	But, uh, you have the phone. It is trivial to determine what it's sending back, even if it's encrypted
[03:39]	TR News	Bubbles imploding https://michaelwest.com.au/home-builder-bentley-homes-slides-into-liquidation/ | Source: Michael West Media
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[03:39]	mjg59_	The code that runs on it is under your control
[03:39]	DaemonFC	Exposure notifications didn't help anything.
[03:40]	DaemonFC	The vaccines didn't help anything.
[03:40]	DaemonFC	Everyone still got COVID.
[03:40]	DaemonFC	That was the shittiest vaccine ever.
[03:40]	mjg59_	Vaccines significantly reduced the number of infections, and reduced the severity of many that did occur
[03:40]	mjg59_	They generated an immune response that was as robust as an actual infection
[03:40]	DaemonFC	Which is probably why I had four shots and still got it.
[03:40]	DaemonFC	Still spent a month in agony.
[03:40]	TR News	Next up "advanced" HEY HI hype https://www.thenation.com/article/culture/metaverse-zuckerberg-pr-hype/ | Source: The Nation
[03:40]	TR Bot	 Lessons From the Catastrophic Failure of the Metaverse | The Nation
[03:41]	starstreak	mjg59_, remember, roy is weirdly conservative
[03:41]	DaemonFC	My mom didn't even get a COVID shot and got COVID and was barely even sick.
[03:41]	DaemonFC	I had four shots AND the antiviral pills and look what happened to me.
[03:42]	starstreak	he probably has a stockpile of ivermectin
[03:42]	mjg59_	It's why we don't become immune to the common cold
[03:42]	DaemonFC	mjg59_: Do you suppose the vaccine did nothing, made it worse, or that I would have died without it?
[03:42]	DaemonFC	It's impossible to know that, so Pfizer will just bury the data.
[03:42]	mjg59_	Both because there's a range of viruses that cause the syndrome, but also because the immune system doesn't generate a long-term response to it
[03:42]	DaemonFC	Keep charging $130 a shot to idiots who take more.
[03:43]	schestowitz	DaemonFC: there were studies into it
[03:43]	schestowitz	inc. in scandinavia
[03:43]	mjg59_	We can't magically change the behaviour of the immune system
[03:43]	DaemonFC	Smart people eventually figure out when something didn't do a damn thing or blew up on them and stop doing the thing.
[03:43]	schestowitz	the vaccines did not improvemortality rates, or bartely did
[03:43]	schestowitz	they were not placebos
[03:43]	elusive_woman	DaemonFC: vaccines dont work if you're a fag with aids
[03:43]	schestowitz	they did have an adverse effect on people
[03:43]	schestowitz	some people more so
[03:43]	DaemonFC	I don't have HIV.
[03:43]	schestowitz	but the common consensus, in hindsight, is that the vaccines were  afialure
[03:43]	mjg59_	https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7224a6.htm
[03:43]	elusive_woman	sure
[03:43]	schestowitz	and now the media does not want to talk about the studies
[03:44]	TR Bot	 Notes from the Field: Comparison of COVID-19 Mortality Rates Among Adults Aged 65 Years Who Were Unvaccinated and Those Who Received a Bivalent Booster Dose Within the Preceding 6 Months 20 U.S. Jurisdictions, September 18, 2022April 1, 2023 | MMWR
[03:44]	DaemonFC	For a while there I was probably the most tested person I know of because the Cook County Health Department was paying me to take the tests.
[03:44]	mjg59_	Mortality rates in unvaccinated Americans were around 10x higher than in vaccinated Americans
[03:44]	DaemonFC	One at-home HIV test could be a dud.
[03:44]	DaemonFC	Ten of them in a row probably aren't.
[03:44]	DaemonFC	So I don't have it.
[03:44]	mjg59_	(For >65 year olds, at least)
[03:45]	mjg59_	Protection extended into the 3-6 month range
[03:45]	DaemonFC	Well, what I saw in my labs after COVID was an explosion of certain white blood cell types.
[03:46]	DaemonFC	Which is what you'd expect from a working immune system.
[03:46]	mjg59_	The idea that the vaccines did nothing is just obviously, clearly, false
[03:46]	TR News	PwC corruption. Where Sheela Zemlin came from before raising money from Microsoft and defrauding loads of people. https://michaelwest.com.au/pwc-sells-government-arm-amid-questions-over-conflict/ | Source: Michael West Media
[03:46]	TR Bot	 PwC sells government arm amid questions over conflict - Michael West
[03:46]	DaemonFC	The United States made COVID worse by letting a bunch of poor blacks have untreated AIDS, actually.
[03:46]	DaemonFC	Largely in the south.
[03:47]	DaemonFC	The US still has about 7,800 AIDS deaths in a typical year.
[03:47]	DaemonFC	The epicenter is the deep south and the typical victim is a male black in his teens through 30s.
[03:47]	DaemonFC	This is a policy thing.
[03:48]	DaemonFC	Like throwing them in prison.
[03:48]	DaemonFC	Killing them in the back of police cars.
[03:48]	DaemonFC	Failing to educate them.
[03:48]	DaemonFC	Not allowing anything good to happen where they live.
[03:48]	DaemonFC	That's the United States.
[03:48]	TR News	"This is demonstrated succinctly by [Davide dakk Gessa] with 200 lines of BASIC code on a Commodore 64, implementing a range of quantum gates." https://hackaday.com/2023/07/04/quantum-computing-on-a-commodore-64-in-200-lines-of-basic/ | Source: Hackaday
[03:48]	TR Bot	Computing On A Commodore 64 In 200 Lines Of BASIC | Hackaday
[03:49]	DaemonFC	So like, John Salinas was pretty dismissive when he said "Black people are just kind of sketchy and gross." when I asked him why he figured the Syphilis Crisis was unfolding.
[03:49]	DaemonFC	This is sort of everyone hates everyone.
[03:49]	DaemonFC	You know, because he's Hispanic and very racist against blacks.
[03:49]	mjg59_	And, shockingly, once evidence is presented that shows Roy's an idiot, he starts posting links rather than engaging
[03:50]	DaemonFC	There's a long list of government policies that lead to the train wreck that is the "black community".
[03:50]	DaemonFC	And then you have people like Scott Adams who say the solution is to get as far the fuck away as possible.
[03:50]	DaemonFC	And people like mjg59_ who do, and then his neighbors give them the hose instead of some antipsychotics when they're screaming outside the art museum.
[03:51]	DaemonFC	That woman was having a mental health crisis. San Francisco made sure she got it. The garden hose.
[03:51]	TR News	55 Years After the Launch of the Poor Peoples Campaign, Taking Stock of Interlocking Injustices https://scheerpost.com/2023/07/04/55-years-after-the-launch-of-the-poor-peoples-campaign-taking-stock-of-interlocking-injustices/ | Source: Scheerpost
[03:51]	TR Bot	Years After the Launch of the Poor Peoples Campaign, Taking Stock of Interlocking Injustices - scheerpost.com
[03:51]	DaemonFC	Get outta my art museum!!! SPRAY SPRAY!
[03:51]	DaemonFC	MATT AND BUFFY are inside getting it.....THE ART.
[03:52]	DaemonFC	Matt is very cultured and civilized.
[03:52]	DaemonFC	Why just the other day he was in the art museum looking at the emergency fire switch and saying "Fascinating. I totally get that."
[03:52]	schestowitz	lol
[03:53]	TR News	US Watchdog Validates Whistleblower Claims Against Agriculture Department's Largest Research Facility https://thedissenter.org/osc-whistleblower-allegations-usda-largest-research-center/ | Source: The Dissenter
[03:53]	TR Bot	 USDA Ordered To Investigate Hazardous Working Conditions
[03:54]	DaemonFC	They were passing around wine and cheese. There was a banana duct taped to the wall.
[03:54]	TR News	Heatwaves scorch parts of three continents, threaten to top record temperatures https://www.france24.com/en/environment/20230717-heatwaves-scorch-parts-of-three-continents-threatening-to-top-record-temperatures
[03:54]	TR Bot	 Heatwaves scorch parts of three continents, threaten to break temperature records
[03:54]	mjg59_	Age 18-29, about 3x protection from death with vaccination. 30-49, about 4.5x. 50-79, almost 10x.
[03:54]	DaemonFC	He started wondering if the artist was preoccupied with phallic shapes and The New Red Green Show.
[03:55]	schestowitz	just checked, spamnil is still clickfrauding youtube and it's very obvious to see
[03:55]	mjg59_	"Doesn't work as well as hoped for", I won't disagree with. "Doesn't work", clearly untrue.
[03:55]	schestowitz	DaemonFC: Tom Green Show
[03:56]	DaemonFC	schestowitz I hate Illinois. Like, the Chinese restaurants here are so nasty and gross that Panda Express is better.
[03:56]	schestowitz	headsup: unrest inside MSFT, seen 10 new comments, they feel like they get replaced by scabs
[03:56]	DaemonFC	And that's saying something.
[03:56]	mjg59_	I just don't understand this fixation on making trivially disproven assertions
[03:56]	schestowitz	DaemonFC: they vary
[03:56]	DaemonFC	About the only thing they don't screw up at the Chinese place is the lo mein noodles.
[03:56]	schestowitz	buy and cook
[03:57]	DaemonFC	I don't know how Dave (mom's third husband) is even alive. A gallon of milk, a tub of cake frosting....per day. Smokes.
[03:57]	DaemonFC	He sat down to eat a plate of noodles that were quite good on their own, didn't even taste them. Someone brought them in where mom worked.
[03:58]	DaemonFC	So he grabs a big glass container of soy sauce and dumps HALF THE SAUCE on the noodles.
[03:58]	DaemonFC	And then starts eating them.
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[03:58]	TR News	Southern Europe boiling and scorching https://en.sat24.com/en/forecastimages/europa/forecasttemp
[03:58]	TR Bot	 forecast Weather Europe, Satellite Weather Europe, Weather Forecast, Rainfall, Clouds, Sun in Europe - SAT24.com
[03:58]	DaemonFC	The man is a monster.
[03:59]	DaemonFC	Would you like some cake frosting on your noodles, which are swimming in soy sauce? (He'd probably love that.)
[03:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 34.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 215.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[03:59]	starstreak	mjg59_, he makes money doing it
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[04:00]	DaemonFC	mjg59_I just don't understand this fixation on making trivially disproven assertions
[04:00]	DaemonFC	I don't get why you make stabbing "jokes".
[04:00]	DaemonFC	In light of the CEO killed in a STABBING in San Francisco, where people get it. (Stabbed.)
[04:00]	DaemonFC	Or Joseph Cantrell, the Microsoft Nazi.
[04:01]	DaemonFC	On my darkest day I've never, not once, openly "joked" about stabbing another person.
[04:01]	schestowitz	yeah
[04:01]	schestowitz	gulagboy: punch a turf
[04:02]	schestowitz	also gulagbog: i was a terf
[04:02]	schestowitz	in my mid-20s
[04:02]	DaemonFC	The only thing I've ever shot someone with was a Nerf gun during a consensual Nerf fight.
[04:02]	DaemonFC	:)
[04:03]	schestowitz	gulagboy: sometimes i want to stab the mortgage people
[04:03]	schestowitz	"just joking"
[04:03]	DaemonFC	The interest rates went up though. SHARPLY
[04:03]	DaemonFC	Because it's COOL out there. Real COOL.
[04:03]	schestowitz	give them the tip
[04:04]	schestowitz	long tip
[04:04]	DaemonFC	Just the tip.
[04:04]	schestowitz	Biden's economic marvel
[04:04]	schestowitz	well, done
[04:04]	schestowitz	re-elect
[04:05]	schestowitz	or be a nazi
[04:06]	schestowitz	https://www.politico.com/video/2016/02/albright-theres-a-special-place-in-hell-for-women-who-dont-help-each-other-042709
[04:06]	TR Bot	'There's a special place in hell for women who don't help each other.' - POLITICO
[04:06]	DaemonFC	https://www.questhealth.com/product/genetic-insights-GSS.html
[04:06]	TR Bot	 At-Home Genetic Health Test | DNA Health Test Kit | Quest
[04:06]	DaemonFC	GATTACA
[04:06]	schestowitz	" During a campaign rally for Hillary Clinton on Saturday, former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright supported Clinton."
[04:06]	DaemonFC	You pay to see if you're an INVALID now.
[04:06]	schestowitz	vote for sociopath
[04:06]	schestowitz	or burn in hell
[04:06]	schestowitz	-woman who bombed people
[04:06]	schestowitz	(inc. women)
[04:07]	DaemonFC	A lot of dystopian Sci-Fi is poo-poohed by people like mjg59_ because it basically tells you what they're planning,
[04:07]	DaemonFC	Wait until you need to have "genetic testing" to obtain a license to have children.
[04:07]	starstreak	well trump is a nazi so
[04:08]	schestowitz	"it's not just the tip, it's everything! :`("
[04:08]	schestowitz	good news
[04:08]	schestowitz	schneier is becoming a geneticist
[04:08]	DaemonFC	I don't think people should have to obtain a license. I think there should be a limit, and one that applies to everyone.
[04:08]	DaemonFC	2 would be a reasonable limit.
[04:08]	schestowitz	he decided to go work for pharma company
[04:09]	DaemonFC	Until we lower our population to a more sustainable level.
[04:09]	schestowitz	and drpizza will issue many articles about Schneier's marvellous skills in biotech
[04:09]	DaemonFC	Think of it as like a nuclear disarmament agreement, for the population crisis.
[04:09]	schestowitz	proven by his blind loyalty to Pfizer
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[04:09]	elusive_woman	your irc channel seems to attract pedophiles like drpizza and daemonfc
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[04:10]	schestowitz	what?
[04:10]	schestowitz	the trolling here is the issue
[04:10]	schestowitz	go troll some other irc network
[04:11]	DaemonFC	I've actually said they should shoot DrPizza or put him on a labor detail until he falls over dead.
[04:11]	DaemonFC	Feeding him punishment loaf until whenever that happens. No healthcare.
[04:12]	DaemonFC	They should make the pedophile convicts so miserable that they don't want to live and they should force them to do menial and undesirable labor for the betterment of the community.
[04:12]	elusive_woman	you're projecting
[04:13]	elusive_woman	mandy uses tiktok, so 12 year old boy, QED
[04:13]	DaemonFC	No, I just have funny ideas about crime and punishment, like that certain crimes should be punished severely.
[04:13]	DaemonFC	It's the Democrat judges that let all the pedos loose on our country.
[04:13]	elusive_woman	most pedophiles are actually republicans
[04:13]	DaemonFC	Our county, specifically. They only get a few days in jail, if that, then they're back out in a public park again.
[04:14]	DaemonFC	I think it actually crosses political lines, honestly. But it's more on the Democrat side of the fence.
[04:14]	DaemonFC	Hollywood, judges that let em go.
[04:15]	DaemonFC	Louisiana tried to execute them and the Supreme Court stopped it.
[04:15]	DaemonFC	Florida's getting tired of them living under that bridge and is trying to pass the death sentence so they can get it in front of a court that may let it happen.
[04:15]	elusive_woman	on to catch a preditor, it was mostly gay men and priests
[04:16]	DaemonFC	Not really.
[04:16]	DaemonFC	Predator was usually a girl.
[04:16]	DaemonFC	The fake "girl" was the bait.
[04:16]	DaemonFC	I think they stopped because they caught a police officer and a county prosecutor arriving to screw little girls.
[04:17]	DaemonFC	That would be about the time they stopped. It was all fun and games when it was a plumber and a guy who did road construction.
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[04:17]	DaemonFC	But when you start revealing that it's the cops and prosecutors too..... GAME OVER.
[04:17]	elusive_woman	a county prosecutor killed himself when the police were about to storm his house and they found child porn
[04:17]	DaemonFC	Good.
[04:18]	DaemonFC	Did they get Morgan Freeman to narrate that?
[04:18]	DaemonFC	That was the best part of the movie.
[04:18]	DaemonFC	:)
[04:18]	elusive_woman	lol
[04:18]	TR News	 (NEW): Cult brainwashing: Charles Manson, Andrew Cater & Debian family fallacy http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/18/Cult_brainwashing_Charles_Manson_Andrew_Cater_Debian_family_fal.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/18/Cult_brainwashing_Charles_Manson_Andrew_Cater_Debian_family_fal.gmi 
[04:18]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Cult brainwashing: Charles Manson, Andrew Cater & Debian family fallacy
[04:18]	TR News	Sudan fighting sparks communications blackout in Khartoum, disease outbreaks https://www.france24.com/en/africa/20230714-khartoum-faces-communications-blackout-as-fighting-intensifies-in-sudan
[04:18]	TR Bot	 Sudan fighting sparks communications blackout in Khartoum, disease outbreaks
[04:19]	DaemonFC	I think my favorite episode was the guy that showed up with one of those $5 fake iPods you get on eBay or something.
[04:19]	DaemonFC	Discount Jeffrey Epstein.
[04:19]	DaemonFC	BONUS!
[04:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-07-17.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-07-18.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[04:20]	DaemonFC	Yeah, there were a string of suicides due to the stings.
[04:20]	DaemonFC	The convictions, and the stings.
[04:20]	DaemonFC	South Park made fun of this. "Oh shit, Chris Hansen!" *bang!*
[04:20]	DaemonFC	Bodies pile up.
[04:21]	DaemonFC	There isn't any British TV like this.
[04:21]	DaemonFC	South Park.
[04:21]	DaemonFC	They don't do anything that's funny in a subversive sort of way or because it's just so wrong.
[04:23]	TR News	African tech workers press global social media giants for better conditions https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Africa/2023/0712/African-tech-workers-press-global-social-media-giants-for-better-conditions
[04:23]	TR Bot	content moderators face off with tech giants Facebook, ChatGPT - CSMonitor.com
[04:23]	schestowitz	still down: https://yewtu.be/feed/popular
[04:23]	TR Bot	( status 502 @ https://yewtu.be/feed/popular )
[04:24]	starstreak	UK is the no fun zone
[04:24]	schestowitz	not updated in months https://yewtu.be/feed/popular
[04:24]	DaemonFC	The eggies on the King go splat splat splat, splat splat splat, splat splat splat.....
[04:25]	schestowitz	 Ben Sturmfels still in charge of it
[04:25]	schestowitz	https://mediagoblin.org/news/mediagoblin-0.12.1-release.html
[04:25]	TR Bot	 MediaGoblin 0.12.1 | MediaGoblin
[04:25]	schestowitz	very interesting
[04:25]	DaemonFC	I was sitting there at McDonalds thinking about what a piece of shit Charles III is.
[04:25]	schestowitz	what if... all instances of invidious got crushed?
[04:25]	DaemonFC	Like, just a monstrous carbuncle of a human being. :) (His term for modern brutalism architecture.)
[04:25]	schestowitz	what other easy ways to access content that's only in YouTube?
[04:26]	DaemonFC	I know why he doesn't like modern brutalist architecture.
[04:26]	bnchs	schestowitz: it isn't gonna happen
[04:26]	schestowitz	https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/dec/16/prince-charles-letters-to-ministers
[04:26]	TR Bot	 Prince Charles faces fresh meddling claim over letters to ministers | King Charles III | The Guardian
[04:26]	schestowitz	https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/prince-charles-politics-king-meddling-neutral-political-views-environment-architecture-royal-a8623066.html
[04:26]	TR Bot	 Prince Charles insists he will not meddle in politics when he becomes king | The Independent | The Independent
[04:26]	schestowitz	which happened
[04:27]	DaemonFC	I mean, that's architecture for the people. You know, it caught on in the UK and the US for a while, but it was really popular in Communist countries, where one of the things they did get right was plenty of no frills housing for people in buildings that were built to last and be low burden.
[04:28]	DaemonFC	It caught on in all of the wrong ways in the US.
[04:28]	DaemonFC	They mainly used it for shopping malls and stuff which are still there, but no stores.
[04:29]	DaemonFC	It became associated with the middle class, which hardly exists in the US anymore thanks to years and years of the Democrats and Republicans giving it their all.
[04:29]	schestowitz	photo?
[04:29]	schestowitz	brutalist mall in us?
[04:29]	DaemonFC	of?
[04:29]	DaemonFC	Oh, Wikipedia should have one.
[04:29]	DaemonFC	Five Points Mall I think it was called before it failed.
[04:29]	DaemonFC	It was the North Park Mall when I was a kid.
[04:30]	schestowitz	now it's lots of glass and metal
[04:30]	schestowitz	which is worse in some ways
[04:30]	schestowitz	and ages poorly
[04:30]	schestowitz	easy and fast to put together
[04:30]	schestowitz	then turns to scrap
[04:30]	DaemonFC	https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Five_Points_Mall.jpg
[04:30]	DaemonFC	Yes, here it is looking very bad.
[04:30]	schestowitz	yes, all concrete
[04:31]	DaemonFC	https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/Roses_store_at_Five_Points_Mall.jpg
[04:31]	schestowitz	cracked asphalt around 
[04:31]	schestowitz	imagine the looks at 30 years of abandonment 
[04:31]	DaemonFC	The Roses used to be a Hill's Department Store when that mall was nice.
[04:31]	DaemonFC	We used to go to this mall all the time when I was young.
[04:31]	DaemonFC	It was thriving, bustling.
[04:31]	DaemonFC	All the stores were full.
[04:32]	DaemonFC	They powerwashed it all the time.
[04:32]	schestowitz	arndale center used to be conrete
[04:32]	schestowitz	they rebuilt most of it
[04:32]	DaemonFC	Had everything you needed if you wanted a book or movie that just came out. A general store (Hills), a movie theater, A JC Penney and a Sears.
[04:32]	DaemonFC	A nice arcade.
[04:32]	DaemonFC	A Radio Shack.
[04:32]	DaemonFC	A York Steakhouse.
[04:32]	schestowitz	https://ilovemanchester.com/40-years-of-manchester-arndale-how-the-iconic-shopping-centre-has-changed-from-the-70s-80s-90s-to-now
[04:32]	TR Bot	 40 years of Manchester Arndale - how the iconic shopping centre has changed from the 70s, 80s, 90s to now
[04:33]	DaemonFC	(That was really good. And affordable.)
[04:33]	DaemonFC	MARISOL has odd ideas about affordability.
[04:33]	DaemonFC	$14 for eggs and toast is a little much.
[04:34]	DaemonFC	schestowitz The mall is even worse now I hear.
[04:35]	DaemonFC	Everything is gone except Planet Fitness, Applebee's, and that Roses. Whatever that is.
[04:35]	DaemonFC	In a mall that has space for 15 times as much stuff.
[04:35]	schestowitz	https://ilovemanchester.com/manchester-arndale-memories-shopping-centre-40th-birthday
[04:35]	TR Bot	 Your Manchester Arndale memories as shopping centre celebrates 40th birthday
[04:36]	TR News	Scientists Discover Ancient Traces of The Oldest Glaciers Ever Found https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-discover-ancient-traces-of-the-oldest-glaciers-ever-found
[04:36]	TR Bot	Discover Ancient Traces of The Oldest Glaciers Ever Found : ScienceAlert
[04:36]	DaemonFC	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Lj-L72Acq8
[04:36]	TR Bot	https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=1Lj-L72Acq8
[04:36]	TR Bot	vid.puffyan.us | Checking Out the Closed Raintree Plaza - Marion, Indiana - Invidious
[04:36]	DaemonFC	schestowitz There's the other mall.
[04:37]	TR News	Review of SunFounder Raspberry Pi UPS Power Supply https://www.cnx-software.com/2023/07/15/review-sunfounder-raspberry-pi-ups-power-supply/
[04:37]	TR Bot	 Review of SunFounder Raspberry Pi UPS Power Supply - CNX Software
[04:37]	TR News	Monitor One A customizable cellular IoT gateway for industrial equipment monitoring https://www.cnx-software.com/2023/07/16/monitor-one-a-customizable-cellular-iot-gateway-for-industrial-equipment-monitoring/
[04:37]	TR Bot	 Monitor One - A customizable cellular IoT gateway for industrial equipment monitoring - CNX Software
[04:38]	DaemonFC	That restaurant at the end that's empty was the best Chinese restaurant I've ever been to.
[04:38]	DaemonFC	Sad. Mom says the Indiana tax department shut them down or something.
[04:38]	TR News	Troubleshooting my Am386SXs RAM issues https://rubenerd.com/troubleshooting-my-am386s-ram-issues/
[04:38]	TR Bot	Troubleshooting my Am386SXs RAM issues
[04:40]	DaemonFC	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yagJPnFMmS0
[04:40]	TR Bot	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=yagJPnFMmS0
[04:40]	TR Bot	( status 502 @ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=yagJPnFMmS0 )
[04:40]	DaemonFC	schestowitz There's where my dad worked.
[04:41]	schestowitz	  
[04:41]	schestowitz	-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- -> vid.puffyan.us | Checking Out the Closed Raintree Plaza - Marion, Indiana - Invidious
[04:41]	schestowitz	wow, maybe software   CEO should buy it
[04:42]	DaemonFC	I wonder if dad is in this.
[04:42]	schestowitz	<DaemonFC> schestowitz There's where my dad worked.
[04:42]	schestowitz	now it's sweatshops
[04:42]	schestowitz	with girld forced to smile with Tim Crook
[04:43]	schestowitz	"I. AM. HAPPY."
[04:45]	DaemonFC	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArpoBZq5n0k&t=23s
[04:45]	TR Bot	https://iv.melmac.space/watch?v=ArpoBZq5n0k
[04:45]	TR Bot	iv.melmac.space | Fire at former RCA plant called arson - Invidious
[04:46]	DaemonFC	schestowitz There's what's left of it.
[04:46]	DaemonFC	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGpZKHfo82k
[04:46]	TR Bot	https://invidious.baczek.me/watch?v=zGpZKHfo82k
[04:46]	TR Bot	invidious.baczek.me | RCA/THOMPSON PLANT BURNS - Invidious
[04:47]	DaemonFC	Now Marion is just dead.
[04:47]	DaemonFC	Old people getting it..... Social Security.
[04:47]	DaemonFC	Then it's done.
[04:47]	DaemonFC	Poor blacks nobody cares about.
[04:47]	DaemonFC	Living in buildings that are falling over.
[04:49]	DaemonFC	schestowitz This is the country Mandy came to.
[04:49]	DaemonFC	The one where Republicans say we have "a lot to protect from those filthy brown people".
[04:49]	DaemonFC	Abandoned factories burning down. Malls with nothing in them. Biden's Miracle.
[04:53]	DaemonFC	schestowitz Looking at everything from my childhood and what state it's in now makes me really depressed and pissed off.
[04:53]	DaemonFC	I know what Michael Moore must feel like when he talks about his childhood home in Michigan.
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[04:53]	DaemonFC	And we have all of these human manure spreaders here like mjg59_ to thank for a lot of this.
[04:54]	DaemonFC	We should hope the company he works for fails. He's just a barnacle anyway.
[04:54]	mjg59_	Flattered you think I'm so influential
[04:54]	DaemonFC	He'll end up resurfacing in some other swamp that's trying to make people lose their jobs./
[04:54]	DaemonFC	Or spying on them (Google).
[04:55]	mjg59_	Inventing spreadsheets put lots of people out of jobs
[04:55]	mjg59_	What's the right boundary here?
[04:55]	DaemonFC	People who make spreadsheets really don't contribute a lot.
[04:55]	mjg59_	Any time we invent something that makes it easier to do something, it reduces the number of people you need to do something
[04:55]	DaemonFC	But people who make "Powerpoint slides" and view them are even worse.
[04:56]	mjg59_	Yeah but I spend most of my time writing code
[04:56]	mjg59_	Whole bunch of Python today to deal with Yocto being a dick
[04:56]	DaemonFC	Hey, people who invented the nuclear weapons that murdered people in Japan "had a job" in much the same way you do.
[04:56]	mjg59_	Well yes I guess they did put a bunch of bomber pilots out of work
[04:57]	DaemonFC	Handing the product off to a despotic genocidal regime.
[04:57]	mjg59_	You're making your point ineffectually
[04:57]	mjg59_	Am I putting people out of work, or am I murdering people?
[04:57]	DaemonFC	You couldn't really destroy the whole world effectively with B-52s full of dumb bombs.
[04:57]	mjg59_	Your effortless pivots between points of criticism are impressive
[04:58]	DaemonFC	Most of which went off course and landed somewhere where they didn't even blow up anything important.
[04:58]	mjg59_	Yeah not really going to destroy the world with autonomous trucks either
[04:58]	mjg59_	They're still just trucks
[04:58]	DaemonFC	The bombs dropped with TNT just fell and blew up.
[04:58]	DaemonFC	Not much more than that.
[04:58]	DaemonFC	They fell *somewhere* and exploded. Usually exploded.
[04:58]	mjg59_	Well, no, they frequently didn't blow up
[04:59]	mjg59_	And instead killed people decades later
[04:59]	DaemonFC	You could aim in a general that way direction.
[04:59]	mjg59_	Or caused huge disruption
[04:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 34.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 215.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[04:59]	mjg59_	And aiming in a general "that way" direction also resulted in a shitload of civilian deaths
[04:59]	DaemonFC	But I think during the entire war there was less explosive force dropped like this than in two A-bombs.
[04:59]	mjg59_	The Tokyo fire bombing killed more people than Hiroshima
[04:59]	DaemonFC	It was kind of a bad choice to build out of wood.
[04:59]	DaemonFC	See; Chicago.
● Jul 18
[05:00]	DaemonFC	I have joked about the Chicago fire a few times with John.
[05:00]	mjg59_	I guess what you're saying here is that architects who chose wood are as bad as FDR
[05:00]	DaemonFC	Like "Maybe they should have swept the leaves." a reference to Trump and the California fires.
[05:00]	DaemonFC	Or "If they hadn't used so much goddamned lacquer!" 
[05:00]	mjg59_	You're fundamentally incapable of making a point
[05:00]	DaemonFC	A reference to Meet the Parents.
[05:01]	mjg59_	It really is an art
[05:01]	DaemonFC	The Chicago fire is funnier than what happened to Japan.
[05:01]	DaemonFC	In part because nobody did it maliciously, with hatred for an entire race that they wanted to murder.
[05:02]	DaemonFC	The atomic bombs on Japan were done out of race hatred.
[05:02]	DaemonFC	Americans saw the Japanese as vermin.
[05:02]	mjg59_	See, you went from saying I was bad for doing what I do, to instead talking about the Chicago fire, with zero explanation
[05:02]	DaemonFC	Government-backed propaganda helped a lot with that.
[05:02]	DaemonFC	And they wanted to kill every last one of them, for realsies.
[05:02]	mjg59_	The obvious conclusion is that you can't actually substantiate the argument that I'm bad
[05:02]	DaemonFC	And that is an unforgivable crime.
[05:02]	DaemonFC	Like the Holocaust.
[05:02]	mjg59_	But rather than admit that, you'll start talking about something else
[05:02]	DaemonFC	So you don't joke about it.
[05:03]	DaemonFC	Well, you see Matt....
[05:03]	DaemonFC	What happened with RCA/Thomson is that a lot of good people lost middle class jobs.
[05:03]	DaemonFC	And that spilled over and caused the failure of an entire city. And things like it added up and destroyed a state, and then the Midwest, and then the entire country.
[05:04]	DaemonFC	And it all could have been prevented by stopping Globalist politicians.
[05:04]	mjg59_	The country whose GDP is massively higher than it was in the 70s
[05:04]	DaemonFC	And people who want to put others out of work in return for their own paycheck, like you.
[05:04]	DaemonFC	mjg59_The country whose GDP is massively higher than it was in the 70s
[05:04]	DaemonFC	I don't personally know anyone who benefits from the Alleged Higher GDP.
[05:04]	mjg59_	There's plenty of money
[05:04]	mjg59_	The problem is that it's unevenly distributed
[05:05]	DaemonFC	Things now are a fair bit worse than they were in the 90s for most people.
[05:05]	DaemonFC	Even if bullshit like GDP has even doubled, it does not matter for most.
[05:05]	mjg59_	Industry didn't die, it just had its output redirected
[05:05]	DaemonFC	Most of the public is backsliding in terms of living standard.
[05:05]	DaemonFC	And I don't disagree with the fact that the people doing it should all die and have it taken from them.
[05:05]	mjg59_	I agree! That's not because of economic collapse, it's because the rich are getting even fucking richer
[05:06]	mjg59_	The US could have the living standards it did in the 70s and all it would take is economic redistribution
[05:06]	DaemonFC	Had I been of voting age in the 90s, I probably would have supported Ross Perot.
[05:06]	DaemonFC	I mean, looking back.
[05:07]	DaemonFC	He was the only candidate that warned about what NAFTA really was, and what it would do.
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[05:07]	DaemonFC	mjg59_: I don't know of anyone my age that lives half as well as my parents did.
[05:07]	DaemonFC	It's just stolen dreams and minimum wage jobs and "side hustles".
[05:08]	DaemonFC	Like delivering you cold, cold pizza.
[05:08]	mjg59_	Could you explain the pizza thing in more detail
[05:08]	mjg59_	Because I feel like we've talked about this
[05:08]	mjg59_	But you keep bringing it up
[05:08]	DaemonFC	Well, you did. You said it was an hour or so after you ordered it, I think. 
[05:08]	DaemonFC	And that it was cold.
[05:08]	DaemonFC	And that you wondered how that could happen.
[05:08]	mjg59_	Indeed! The driver picked it up immediately, and then drove to the other side of the city
[05:09]	mjg59_	What percentage should I have tipped to avoid that
[05:09]	DaemonFC	Someone on a video app, if I remember correctly, said they did Doordash and if they don't get paid enough then your food sits there until the base pay gets high enough they feel it's worth it.
[05:09]	DaemonFC	Then you get your cold food.
[05:09]	DaemonFC	And that's base pay plus tip.
[05:09]	mjg59_	So, that's not what happened, because it got picked up immediately
[05:09]	DaemonFC	So if they didn't think the total amount was worth it, it sits there until it is, then it's cold.
[05:09]	mjg59_	It did not sit there
[05:10]	mjg59_	So, what's your explanation?
[05:10]	DaemonFC	If they drove it to the other side of the city then they were zigging and zagging, possibly they picked it up, then GrubHub had some HUGE tipper they didn't want to MISS OUT on, so they GET IT, and then you get your pizza second.
[05:11]	mjg59_	Ok so what should I have tipped to avoid that
[05:11]	mjg59_	I want a number
[05:11]	DaemonFC	I don't know. I pick up food myself usually. I arrange it so it's efficient to drop by and get my piping hot almost burns your hands, cheese melting off the damn thing hot, pizza. Hot.
[05:12]	mjg59_	That'd be great, but there's nowhere within walking distance that does gluten free pizza at 10PM
[05:12]	DaemonFC	With gas being like $8 a gallon by now in CALIFORNIA probably, then you tell me professor.
[05:12]	DaemonFC	Seems your politicians are destroying the economy and people are fleeing the state to get anywhere they can go that isn't as bad, having learned nothing.
[05:12]	mjg59_	Gas is not $8 a gallon
[05:13]	mjg59_	You're saying I didn't tip enough
[05:13]	DaemonFC	People in other states hate people from California because you're all so very fucking stupid
[05:13]	mjg59_	What percentage should it have been
[05:13]	mjg59_	Answer the fucking question
[05:13]	DaemonFC	You can't run your own state so you have to come fuck up ours.
[05:13]	mjg59_	Dude I haven't visited illionois since 2018
[05:13]	mjg59_	Your problems are not due to me
[05:13]	DaemonFC	Oh, there was someone a while back that said they were coming to Illinois from California.
[05:13]	DaemonFC	They wanted to know which part of Illinois they should be going to.
[05:14]	DaemonFC	I said back the way you came.
[05:14]	mjg59_	Cool now answer the fucking question
[05:14]	DaemonFC	This state has enough problems and we don't need any California transplants fucking it up worse. Giving us more crank politicians with funny ideas.
[05:14]	mjg59_	Or admit that you're talking shit
[05:15]	DaemonFC	Well, I'm not certain there's a big enough answer, honestly.
[05:15]	DaemonFC	The cost of living in San Francisco is so horrible people who work for Apple are living in a garage with a compost bucket for a toilet.
[05:15]	DaemonFC	So what do you think a tip would be that compels a service worker?
[05:16]	mjg59_	I tipped 30%
[05:16]	DaemonFC	Of....
[05:16]	DaemonFC	What does a pizza even cost there anyway?
[05:16]	mjg59_	Total tip was $11.50, based on the receipt
[05:16]	DaemonFC	And I knew a guy who made $26 an hour stocking a grocery store there in 2004.
[05:16]	mjg59_	12 minute drive from there to here
[05:17]	DaemonFC	So are you telling me that this $11.50 after another two decades of inflation works out to an acceptable amount, considering $8 California gasoline that comes out of a unicorn's butt?
[05:17]	DaemonFC	And the prevailing wage, of course.
[05:17]	mjg59_	(1) gas isn't $8, (2) if you're using a gallon of gas to drive 2.5 miles, your car is fucked
[05:18]	DaemonFC	Yeah I know. Mine wasn't even that bad before I had it carbon cleaned.
[05:18]	DaemonFC	It was running rough and stalling out but it was still averaging 15.4 in the city.
[05:19]	mjg59_	Minimum wage + $1 a minute of driving doesn't sound too bad?
[05:19]	DaemonFC	I don't know where that lady was gassing up but she got some carbon deposits.
[05:19]	mjg59_	I mean
[05:19]	DaemonFC	You don't make minimum wage on Doordash do you? Didn't the voters defeat that to reimplement slavery in California?
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[05:20]	DaemonFC	Eat the rich! And his pizza!
[05:20]	DaemonFC	:)
[05:20]	mjg59_	There's some fuckery, but it's required to work out at about that level for the actual time spent working, which is somewhat obscene but fucking capitalism
[05:21]	DaemonFC	It should either work out to minimum wage or they should have to pay you at least minimum wage.
[05:21]	DaemonFC	End of story.
[05:21]	mjg59_	I agree!
[05:21]	mjg59_	I voted in favour of that
[05:21]	DaemonFC	That's how the law works for most tipped employees in Illinois even.
[05:21]	DaemonFC	They have to pay you $15 an hour if you're a tipped worker and don't make at least $15 an hour that week with your tips included.
[05:22]	DaemonFC	Otherwise I think it's $9.68 plus tips.
[05:22]	mjg59_	California is minimum wage + tips
[05:22]	mjg59_	You can't pay under minimum wage and make it up with tips
[05:22]	DaemonFC	So you either get $15 an hour as a floor like anyone else, from the employer, or if you go over $15 counting tips, $9.68 from the employer plus all your tips.
[05:22]	mjg59_	So you're a minimum of $15.50 and all tips go to you in addition to that
[05:22]	DaemonFC	In Indiana it's $2.14 plus tips or $7.25.
[05:23]	mjg59_	Which is civilised!
[05:23]	DaemonFC	It's horrid.
[05:23]	mjg59_	It's civilised that tips can't make up minimum wage
[05:23]	mjg59_	It's fucked that they can
[05:23]	mjg59_	California is civilised in this respect
[05:23]	DaemonFC	They just don't extend that to app workers.
[05:23]	DaemonFC	Because democracy brings out the worst in people.
[05:24]	DaemonFC	You banned gay marriage there too.
[05:24]	DaemonFC	Democracy.
[05:24]	mjg59_	Because they're classed as contractors, not employees
[05:24]	mjg59_	Which is fucked!
[05:24]	mjg59_	Which I voted against!
[05:24]	DaemonFC	Right, so the solution is less Democracy.
[05:24]	DaemonFC	Your legislature fixed both problems and the voters directly fucked shit up again.
[05:24]	mjg59_	Direct democracy is not a great plan, I agree
[05:24]	mjg59_	So, how much should I have tipped
[05:25]	DaemonFC	Well, I'm not an economist, but if I worked on an app-based delivery platform I'd probably figure cost of gas and minimum wage. Divide it roughly by mileage and expected time of work.
[05:26]	DaemonFC	So there is a minimum amount here. Let's say my Buick averages 18.5 in the city. I got it cleaned, remember.
[05:26]	DaemonFC	Gas is about $4 a gallon.
[05:26]	mjg59_	Ok, so about $1 of gas, and about 20 minutes of work, so $5.17, and that makes $6.17
[05:26]	DaemonFC	Guy 5 miles from me wants a pizza.
[05:26]	mjg59_	2.5 miles
[05:26]	DaemonFC	Call it a third of a gallon because idling.
[05:26]	mjg59_	So call it a quarter
[05:26]	DaemonFC	Minimum wage is $15 an hour here.
[05:27]	mjg59_	$15.50, so $5.17
[05:27]	DaemonFC	If it takes me 14 minutes to get 5 miles here (which it does), then that is easily rounded to a quarter of an hour.
[05:27]	mjg59_	I gave it 20 minutes to include waiting time
[05:28]	mjg59_	That gives us a total of $6.17
[05:28]	DaemonFC	So that's $5.08, but then what about wear and tear and mileage, and depreciation?
[05:28]	DaemonFC	What about the cost to tell my insurance company I deliver food or give people rides?
[05:28]	DaemonFC	What about incidentals?
[05:29]	mjg59_	Let's add an extra 50% for that, so $9.25
[05:29]	DaemonFC	So we're probably at $8-9 now just before you start to make me a little teeny bit interested, and this is Illinois.
[05:29]	DaemonFC	Insurance and gas and minimum wage where you are is a lot higher.
[05:29]	mjg59_	And bear in mind that Doordash *does* pay a minimum amount in addition to the tip
[05:29]	DaemonFC	But someone who isn't into economics throws me a $20 because he's the nicest man ever.
[05:29]	mjg59_	Gas is about $4, minimum wage is $15.50
[05:30]	DaemonFC	But uh oh, I just picked up your Grimace's Birthday Meal from McDonalds already in the other app.
[05:30]	mjg59_	Ok your argument is no longer that I didn't tip enough, but that someone else tipped more
[05:30]	DaemonFC	So I drive to his house first to get the base plus the crisp $20.
[05:30]	DaemonFC	Then you get a melted Grimace frosty.
[05:30]	DaemonFC	And presumably you grimace.
[05:31]	DaemonFC	Because nobody is happy to see a melted purple thing that they're supposed to consume.
[05:31]	DaemonFC	It's even worse than a cold pizza.
[05:32]	mjg59_	I made it clear at the time that I understand the economic incentives that resulted in me having a bad outcome
[05:32]	mjg59_	Everyone involved should charge me more money so the drivers do not feel obliged to do that
[05:32]	DaemonFC	There are a number of plausible things that could have resulted in your experience.
[05:32]	DaemonFC	Maybe the guy was a bag of dicks and had Grindr open in the other window. He had your pizza sitting out in the car while he went over to fuck a guy in the ass with no condom.
[05:32]	DaemonFC	And then handled your cold pizza.
[05:33]	mjg59_	How much would I have to tip to avoid that
[05:33]	DaemonFC	More than the non-monetary value of his life experience while your pizza was losing heat rapidly to the atmosphere.
[05:33]	DaemonFC	:D
[05:34]	DaemonFC	There is an economic value people place on sex otherwise there wouldn't be prostitution.
[05:34]	DaemonFC	So maybe there's no easy answer or it would have gone to an unrealistic amount, like $100.
[05:35]	DaemonFC	Economists have to assign numbers to some really weird shit.
[05:35]	DaemonFC	Like how much is losing your hand worth.
[05:35]	mjg59_	Hey it sounds like you agree that this may not have been down to me tipping an unreasonably small amount!
[05:35]	mjg59_	But that other factors may have resulted in the driver making a rational decision to do something else instead!
[05:35]	DaemonFC	The simplest answer was that there was a priority with a higher dollar value.
[05:36]	mjg59_	Sure, and maybe that was the guy being paid to fuck someone?
[05:36]	mjg59_	Who knows
[05:36]	mjg59_	I have no reason to believe that
[05:36]	DaemonFC	People will do some stupid or illogical things, including with money.
[05:36]	mjg59_	It sounds like you're saying I should have tipped $200 if I wanted a hot pizza
[05:36]	DaemonFC	That's sort of why the economy doesn't totally freeze up.
[05:37]	mjg59_	But maybe it should have been more than that
[05:37]	DaemonFC	mjg59_: Well, you know the banking system might have collapsed entirely in 2008 if it wasn't for all the drug money.
[05:38]	DaemonFC	When they're not opening fake accounts, they're laundering money for terrorists and drug cartels.
[05:38]	mjg59_	Yeah see this is you changing the topic again
[05:38]	DaemonFC	And you can have your mortgages under the same roof.
[05:38]	mjg59_	You've admitted you have no idea what I should have tipped, but you assert that I just didn't tip enough
[05:39]	DaemonFC	I mean, you could have asked him why he drove clear over to the other side of town first.
[05:39]	DaemonFC	If you were that interested.
[05:39]	mjg59_	I really didn't care
[05:39]	mjg59_	I was hungry
[05:39]	DaemonFC	I would have.
[05:39]	mjg59_	Cool
[05:39]	DaemonFC	I would have let him off with "family emergency" or something.
[05:39]	mjg59_	I didn't remove the tip afterwards
[05:39]	mjg59_	He still got the money
[05:40]	mjg59_	Because I don't want to fuck over workers even if I have a bad experience
[05:40]	DaemonFC	I used one of those apps once and I was not happy that I did.
[05:40]	mjg59_	He's just trying to get by
[05:40]	DaemonFC	Like, this woman came up in a broken down car that barely worked, half rust, her kids in the back because she couldn't pay for childcare I guess.
[05:41]	DaemonFC	These aren't people who need some extra walking around money.
[05:41]	DaemonFC	These are people that were failed by the system and have nothing else. And tech assholes in California exploit them.
[05:42]	DaemonFC	mjg59_: I was at a Rosatti's Pizza. I went there to eat-in, and this guy called after he used Doordash.
[05:43]	DaemonFC	He called there to chew out the guy at the cash register, because he found out the pizzas were cheaper directly (duh) and Rosatti's doesn't charge a "service fee" (duh).
[05:43]	DaemonFC	So he decided he'd yell at some guy who had nothing to do with Doordash.
[05:43]	DaemonFC	I mean, there are some stupendously dumb assholes in the world.
[05:44]	DaemonFC	Maybe call and ask. Maybe get it delivered by Rosatti's.
[05:44]	DaemonFC	Maybe come get your own damn pizza.
[05:44]	mjg59_	I always check whether the restaurant has its own delivery service and use that instead
[05:44]	mjg59_	If it's within walking distance, I walk there
[05:44]	DaemonFC	mjg59_: I always swing by and get my own pizza. You don't have to tip and you get it right as it comes out and then dart home and you have pizza.
[05:44]	DaemonFC	And life is good.
[05:45]	mjg59_	Uh you should absolutely tip on pickup
[05:45]	DaemonFC	I'm always out and about doing something anyway.
[05:45]	mjg59_	Back of house is still doing their shit
[05:45]	DaemonFC	The tips are to the driver.
[05:45]	DaemonFC	It says they ALL go to the driver.
[05:45]	DaemonFC	It even says it on the receipt.
[05:45]	mjg59_	Yeah, and that's fucked
[05:45]	DaemonFC	The restaurant employees are not allowed to accept tips.
[05:46]	mjg59_	That's also fucked
[05:46]	DaemonFC	Not as fucked as Subway.
[05:46]	mjg59_	Who said anything about Subway
[05:46]	mjg59_	Stick to a fucking topic
[05:46]	DaemonFC	Know someone that was ordered by a manager to pull stale bread out and feed it to people. Out of the trash.
[05:46]	DaemonFC	Oh, well, they do allow you to tip the workers there.
[05:47]	DaemonFC	Then the managers say the drawer came up short so they steal it from the tip jar.
[05:47]	mjg59_	Awesome yes wage theft is a thing and shouldn't be
[05:47]	mjg59_	That doesn't mean that pickup orders shouldn't tip
[05:47]	DaemonFC	They hire people who don't dare report it.
[05:47]	DaemonFC	Need three guesses?
[05:48]	mjg59_	You are the most tedious person to talk to on the entire planet
[05:48]	DaemonFC	Meanwhile, enjoy the trash bread and the slime in the soda fountain.
[05:48]	DaemonFC	I hope they go out of business.
[05:49]	DaemonFC	I don't mention any of the health code violations because that's where the lawyers and judges go eat at.
[05:49]	DaemonFC	Fuck em./
[05:49]	DaemonFC	I know quite a lot of people around town though.
[05:50]	DaemonFC	Everyone is having a hard time except the police, the judges, the lawyers, the doctors, and the "software engineers".
[05:50]	mjg59_	Sounds like based on the calculations we did you don't think my tip was unreasonable, so I guess you'll stop complaining about that in future
[05:50]	DaemonFC	They get a lot of money to actively make people's lives worse.
[05:51]	DaemonFC	It's amazing how the doctor has become the latest way for the state to intrude and spy.
[05:51]	DaemonFC	"Do you have any guns in the house?"
[05:51]	DaemonFC	I left it blank.
[05:51]	DaemonFC	I checked my medical file and it says "No."
[05:51]	DaemonFC	I didn't tell them yes or no.
[05:51]	DaemonFC	It's none of their business.
[05:52]	DaemonFC	Why does the state demand your doctor to tell them something the state police can already infer by you having a FOID card?
[05:52]	DaemonFC	Or do they think Thugnificent is going to go into the doctor and say "Yeah, I have a ton of illegal guns. LOL"
[05:52]	DaemonFC	"I used one of them in a drive by this morning!"
[05:53]	DaemonFC	Sounds like based on the calculations we did you don't think my tip was unreasonable, so I guess you'll stop complaining about that in future
[05:53]	DaemonFC	Economics is sort of murky.
[05:53]	DaemonFC	What I actually said was that I think it was a lack of motivation in the tip amount.
[05:54]	DaemonFC	But since that's different for every person in every case for every reason, whether they felt you were being cheap with them or that it wasn't enough to put it at the top of their priority list.....something happened.
[05:55]	DaemonFC	mjg59_: Of course what things are worth is different to everyone.
[05:55]	DaemonFC	There's idiots like MARISOL that think a pair of eyeglasses is worth $1,400 because it has a brand on the cheap plastic shit.
[05:55]	DaemonFC	Are you the kind of guy that walks in and pays $1,400 for a pair of prescription glasses you're going to wear for a year or so until your prescription changes again?
[05:56]	DaemonFC	Or a baseball card.
[05:56]	DaemonFC	Maybe you like a rare one from 1950 that has a misprint on it and it's a $10,000 baseball card. I don't give a fuck about your baseball cards.
[05:56]	DaemonFC	What motivates every person is different.
[05:57]	DaemonFC	Since we can't know what will motivate a particular person, we have to make a certain set of assumptions.
[05:57]	DaemonFC	What is the usual thing that other people do that works?
[05:58]	DaemonFC	That's usually where we start with tips.
[05:58]	DaemonFC	Did you know that in the 1950s a 10% tip was a good tip?
[05:58]	DaemonFC	10%!
[05:58]	mjg59_	Were my assumptions inappropriate?
[05:58]	DaemonFC	Maybe Doordash's base rate really sucked.
[05:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 34.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 215.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[05:59]	DaemonFC	I don't know. I mean. Mandy has oodles and oodles of PPTO hours. They automatically excuse you for absences.
● Jul 18
[06:00]	DaemonFC	If they put him on the schedule for 4 hours one week and that's weird, I go you know what. You have 80 PPTO hours.....4 hours is not worth getting out of bed and driving and then going and picking you up.
[06:00]	DaemonFC	Let's just spend the day together and watch shit on TV.
[06:01]	DaemonFC	So we take a day for us because 4 hours is not a shift that involves getting up, showering, shaving, getting some coffee in you, driving, fighting traffic on the way back, burning gas.
[06:02]	DaemonFC	It's about you have to offer something motivating.
[06:02]	DaemonFC	And I don't know if that's easy to do with Doordash because if there was a Walmart hiring in 20 miles they wouldn't be on this app.
[06:04]	DaemonFC	You're dealing with a fairly unmotivated person in the first place. All these expenses. Not much income.
[06:04]	DaemonFC	How would you like it if they paid you less than minimum wage and took Social Security and Medicare taxes from you TWICE?
[06:05]	DaemonFC	You're not making any money but you need this so you can qualify for shit-ass Obamacare or something?
[06:05]	DaemonFC	mjg59_: Do you lack the ability to think like this or something?
[06:06]	DaemonFC	mjg59_: What do you think about the email Quest Diagnostics sent me about Genetics Testing?
[06:06]	mjg59_	What does question two have to do with question one
[06:06]	DaemonFC	Do you think that if it had predictive value that Medicare or Medicaid would pay for it?
[06:07]	DaemonFC	Nothing, I just would like your opinion on this.
[06:07]	mjg59_	I paid what I thought was a good amount of money for the service I was expecting to receieve
[06:07]	DaemonFC	Medicare in particular seems to like paying for things that head off cancer before it gets serious.
[06:08]	mjg59_	And the state of the US healthcare system is fucked, resulting in more money being spent on care than prevention
[06:08]	DaemonFC	I wonder if Genetics Testing is some sort of racist pseudoscientific garbage or something.
[06:08]	DaemonFC	It smells like quackery to me.
[06:08]	DaemonFC	Insurance doesn't cover it, Medicare doesn't cover it. They use scare tactics.
[06:08]	mjg59_	But you have a weird tension between hospitals benefiting from you being sick and insurance companies benefiting from you not being sick
[06:08]	DaemonFC	"Don't you want to know if you might get CANCER!?"
[06:08]	mjg59_	But since they're not the same thing, it doesn't get resolved
[06:09]	mjg59_	And so you have the worst of both worlds
[06:09]	DaemonFC	I mean there does come a point where like schestowitz says you're paying them to dig in the wrong ditch.
[06:10]	DaemonFC	They couldn't find anything wrong with my heart with an ECG or a CAC scan.
[06:10]	DaemonFC	I'm considering calling it here and now, honestly.
[06:11]	DaemonFC	They have no idea what predictive value CAC scores have.
[06:12]	DaemonFC	There's people walking around in their 80s doing quite well with a CAC score of 2215. Which if you buy into this CAC thing, should be dead man walking.
[06:12]	DaemonFC	Mine was 0. So meh. Whatever that means.
[06:12]	DaemonFC	They seem to like selling them though.
[06:13]	DaemonFC	I noticed the system is full of stuff like this.
[06:14]	DaemonFC	Tests where the doctors aren't sure what to make of them, but they push them. Procedures that aren't needed and other doctors end up cleaning the mess up.
[06:15]	DaemonFC	I think if you look closely you begin to see a 19th century carnival barker system of "testing".
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[06:20]	DaemonFC	mjg59_: Well, the insurance companies seem to be mostly happy with getting massive discounts vs. fake prices. But the fake prices become real prices to people who don't buy the insurance.
[06:21]	DaemonFC	So they benefit greatly from this.
[06:21]	DaemonFC	You're so scared of the fake prices that you go running to them for "protection".
[06:21]	DaemonFC	So they're in bed with the "providers" to charge so much that nobody would dare not do business with the insurance company. It's a protection racket.
[06:22]	DaemonFC	You can look at an EOB for two seconds and see what's going on here.
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[06:22]	DaemonFC	Nobody would pay a dime for insurance if their lab bill was going to be $35 and not $750.
[06:23]	DaemonFC	elusive_woman: Now I'm watching those old Dateline episodes to get a laugh.
[06:23]	DaemonFC	Thanks.
[06:24]	DaemonFC	Guy shows up naked with a pizza and a fake iPod off AliExpress. "Hi, are you the 12 year old?" Why yes, let me go get some cookies! *BAM* Chris Hansen
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[06:38]	DaemonFC	I think my favorite part about later episodes of that show was that a lot of them said they had seen it on TV and they were now on the episode.
[06:39]	DaemonFC	So I mean, like, knowing that there are traps out there should do something to discourage people from the thing. I mean, the police have a lot of traps even though Dateline Predator has been off the air since they caught someone "important".
[06:39]	DaemonFC	Again, it's funny how this works.
[06:39]	DaemonFC	As soon as they catch someone they didn't want to expose, the whole show gets canceled.
[06:39]	DaemonFC	There were a string of suicides leading up to the prosecutor, and they didn't care and they kept going.
[06:40]	DaemonFC	But without a show, the cops still set up honeypot traps. They do it on Grindr.
[06:40]	DaemonFC	They make fake accounts and say they're underage or that they have drugs or stuff. It's always something illegal they're proposing.
[06:41]	DaemonFC	And the way I determined this was a trap (when I was on Grindr between John and Mandy and was looking FOR AN ADULT) was when they would message you.
[06:41]	DaemonFC	If you told them no, all the fake profiles would brigade you and they wouldn't stop. You'd block one of them and more would ask.
[06:42]	DaemonFC	And none of them were 17. (17 is legal in Illinois) So it goes, 13, 14, 15, 16, 18 There is no 17 on Grindr.
[06:42]	elusive_woman	Jeff Sokol is the funniest one
[06:42]	DaemonFC	And all of the fake profiles looked exactly the same. Cropped face photo. Nobody recognizable. Stock text saying something generic like "young in hs".
[06:43]	DaemonFC	And if you triangulated by GPS coordinates, which I can do, they're all camped out at a police station.
[06:43]	DaemonFC	So you have a bunch of 13 year olds looking for gay sex, who are offering you coke because why not. And they're all at the police station.
[06:43]	DaemonFC	:)
[06:43]	elusive_woman	iphones scrub EXIF data
[06:43]	DaemonFC	It's not EXIF data.
[06:44]	DaemonFC	You get a Fake GPS app and enable mock location.
[06:44]	DaemonFC	You drag the pin to the local police station, which you get from Google.
[06:44]	DaemonFC	Then they're "0 feet away".
[06:44]	elusive_woman	why are you checking if 13 year olds are police?
[06:44]	DaemonFC	You can easily figure out where someone on Grindr actually is by doing this.
[06:44]	DaemonFC	It gets closer or further away.
[06:45]	DaemonFC	elusive_womanwhy are you checking if 13 year olds are police?
[06:45]	elusive_woman	i dont talk to 13 year olds on grindr
[06:45]	DaemonFC	Because I told one of them that I knew they were the police and they should probably fake their location.
[06:45]	DaemonFC	Just to thumb my nose at them.
[06:46]	DaemonFC	Neither do I. I was talking to a police officer on Grindr.
[06:46]	DaemonFC	And telling them how much smarter I was than they are.
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[06:47]	DaemonFC	The reason so many people get stalkers on Grindr is because you can figure out exactly where anyone on Grindr lives like I just told you.
[06:48]	DaemonFC	Within about 5 or 6 feet of where they are while they have it open.
[06:48]	elusive_woman	ok
[06:48]	TR News	A number from A Million Random Digits https://rubenerd.com/a-number-from-a-million-random-digits/
[06:48]	TR Bot	A number from A Million Random Digits
[06:48]	elusive_woman	im not a man so i dont know how grindr works
[06:48]	elusive_woman	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj48xUT0k44&pp=ygUKamVmZiBzb2tvbA%3D%3D
[06:48]	TR Bot	https://iv.melmac.space/watch?v=Gj48xUT0k44
[06:48]	TR Bot	iv.melmac.space | Jeff Sokol Uncut - Invidious
[06:48]	DaemonFC	If you use Grindr you should turn off precise distance.
[06:49]	DaemonFC	Then your picture just gets closer or further but you could be any distance really.
[06:49]	DaemonFC	Miles away.
[06:49]	elusive_woman	sounds like a scary app
[06:49]	TR News	What do you want me to do? https://rubenerd.com/what-do-you-want-me-to-do/
[06:49]	TR Bot	What do you want me to do?
[06:49]	DaemonFC	It is, kind of.
[06:50]	DaemonFC	I mean, I've had some good experiences on it, some bad ones.
[06:50]	DaemonFC	I'm married because of it.
[06:50]	DaemonFC	:/
[06:51]	DaemonFC	Stephen Fry was talking about how much he liked using Grindr.
[06:52]	DaemonFC	I mean, if you want to compare it to something, it's sort of like that screen that Logan 5 had in Logan's Run.
[06:52]	DaemonFC	You flip it on, find someone to have sex with, and then well, that's kind of how most people use it.
[06:53]	DaemonFC	It's unfortunate how many bad things there are about it.
[06:53]	DaemonFC	That isn't in itself a bad thing. Certainly consensual sex between two adults isn't something that an enlightened 21st century person should be angered by.
[06:53]	DaemonFC	And technology that enables that isn't anything new.
[06:54]	DaemonFC	What makes Grindr worse I think is because it requires a cell phone, it wants personally identifying information, it sells data to advertisers, which is exactly what you want with an app to find people for sex.
[06:54]	DaemonFC	And because it has such granular distance given, it's useful for people who are really crazy, right?
[06:55]	DaemonFC	So you might have it open at home or somewhere you frequent and people can find out where you are and then you have a stalker or something.
[06:55]	elusive_woman	or get robbed or lynched
[06:55]	TR News	Qt Insight 1.3 Released https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-insight-1.3-released
[06:55]	TR Bot	 Qt Insight 1.3 Released
[06:55]	DaemonFC	I mean, back in the day if you wanted to meet someone for sex from the Internet you said let's meet at the mall or a McDonald's.
[06:55]	TR News	Commercial LTS Qt 6.2.9 Released https://www.qt.io/blog/commercial-lts-qt-6.2.9-released
[06:55]	TR Bot	 Commercial LTS Qt 6.2.9 Released
[06:55]	DaemonFC	You kind of got an idea first of is this person freaking me the fuck out.
[06:55]	TR News	VxWorks for Qt 5.15.14 Released https://www.qt.io/blog/vxworks-for-qt-5.15.14-released
[06:56]	TR Bot	 VxWorks for Qt 5.15.14 Released
[06:56]	DaemonFC	And that was better than this.
[06:56]	TR News	Qt Contributor Summit 2023 - Venue, Registration, and More https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-contributor-summit-2023-venue-registration-and-more
[06:56]	TR Bot	 Qt Contributor Summit 2023 - Venue, Registration, and More
[06:56]	DaemonFC	elusive_womanor get robbed or lynched
[06:56]	DaemonFC	Yes, there have been cases where you know, people got stabbed and stuff.
[06:56]	DaemonFC	Because of meeting up with someone who turned out to be a freak.
[06:56]	DaemonFC	Not someone who was totally joking about stabbing people.
[06:57]	DaemonFC	As I'm sure Mr. Garrett truly and honestly was/
[06:57]	DaemonFC	I don't believe for a minute that people out there are having less sex. Like, the media is just making this up to sell the population crisis panic.
[06:58]	TR News	 (NEW): Free Yourself from Surveillance Capitalism with the Liberty Phone http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/18/Free_Yourself_from_Surveillance_Capitalism_with_the_Liberty_Pho.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/18/Free_Yourself_from_Surveillance_Capitalism_with_the_Liberty_Pho.gmi 
[06:59]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Free Yourself from Surveillance Capitalism with the Liberty Phone
[06:59]	DaemonFC	I've NEVER had trouble finding a sex partner from GenZ to Boomers and I'm not even the most desirable person out there. I mean, meh. I am at least decent enough that I stopped doing this when I got married.
[06:59]	DaemonFC	But I doubt people in general are having less sex, of any generation. The media is making this up to sell a government narrative.
[06:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 34.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 215.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[06:59]	DaemonFC	People are being more careful to avoid pregnancy, because of what mjg59_ and I discussed earlier.
● Jul 18
[07:00]	DaemonFC	People without kids don't live half as good as my parents did when they were my age.
[07:00]	DaemonFC	So fuck this whole idea of having kids and giving them to the state crap to death.
[07:01]	DaemonFC	When I was a kid we went out to eat all the time, we had lots of nice clothes, we had a house, we had two decent working cars at all times, and I went to private school (Catholic at one point, actually.)
[07:01]	DaemonFC	We went on weekend trips just to see things.
[07:01]	starstreak	republicans ban abortion because they want more white babies, so they can immigrate less
[07:01]	DaemonFC	At least one long vacation per year.
[07:01]	DaemonFC	Maybe two.
[07:02]	schestowitz	it's even worse than you put it,
[07:02]	schestowitz	but it's for another channel
[07:02]	schestowitz	let's focus on science and tech here
[07:02]	DaemonFC	You know, I mean, we did things like in May before it got too hot we'd hit Disney World and then by August we were hitting up the cave tours and swimming in a river in Arkansas and staying at a condo there.
[07:02]	DaemonFC	Same year, two vacations, one of them hellaciously expensive (Disney, even then!).
[07:02]	TR News	No Pseudonymity or Sealing in College Student's Race Discrimination Lawsuit https://reason.com/volokh/2023/07/15/no-pseudonymity-or-sealing-in-college-students-race-discrimination-lawsuit/
[07:02]	TR Bot	 No Pseudonymity or Sealing in College Student's Race Discrimination Lawsuit
[07:03]	DaemonFC	I think Grindr is even more pernicious than Facebook because Grindr taps into something primal that people are wired to want.
[07:04]	TR News	Jean Carroll's Libel Lawsuit Against Donald Trump for His 2019 Statements Can Go Forward https://reason.com/volokh/2023/06/29/jean-carrolls-libel-lawsuit-against-donald-trump-for-his-2019-statements-can-go-forward/
[07:04]	elusive_woman	they have access to everyones dick pics, facebook dont
[07:04]	TR Bot	 Jean Carroll's Libel Lawsuit Against Donald Trump for His 2019 Statements Can Go Forward
[07:04]	TR News	Dyson exploitation libel claim versus C4 News heard at Court of Appeal https://pressgazette.co.uk/media_law/dyson-channel-4-libel-appeal/
[07:04]	TR Bot	 Dysons libel claim against Channel 4 comes to Court of Appeal
[07:05]	TR News	10th Cir. Narrowly Reads "Injury Litigated Against Would Be Incurred" Basis for Pseudonymous Litigation https://reason.com/volokh/2023/07/05/10th-cir-narrowly-reads-injury-litigated-against-would-be-incurred-basis-for-pseudonymous-litigation/
[07:05]	TR Bot	 10th Cir. Narrowly Reads "Injury Litigated Against Would Be Incurred" Basis for Pseudonymous Litigation
[07:06]	TR News	View the Resource Usage of Your Docker Containers https://thenewstack.io/view-the-resource-usage-of-your-docker-containers/
[07:06]	TR Bot	 View the Resource Usage of Your Docker Containers - The New Stack
[07:07]	TR News	Hong Kong man jailed for insulting China and Hong Kong flag https://www.jurist.org/news/2023/07/hong-kong-man-jailed-for-insulting-china-and-hong-kong-flag/
[07:07]	TR Bot	 Hong Kong man jailed for 'insulting' China and Hong Kong flag - JURIST - News
[07:07]	TR News	Quantum Computing Qubit Entanglement Record Broken in CHINA https://www.tomshardware.com/news/quantum-computing-simultaneous-qubit-entanglement-record-broken-at-51
[07:07]	TR Bot	 Quantum Computing Qubit Entanglement Record Broken at 51 | Tom's Hardware
[07:08]	starstreak	https://birdsarentreal.com/
[07:08]	TR Bot	 Birds Arent Real Birds Aren't Real
[07:08]	TR News	Chinese state media is pumping out bad news about US, Britain https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/china-bad-news-07112023142511.html
[07:08]	TR Bot	 Chinese state media is pumping out bad news about US, Britain Radio Free Asia
[07:09]	schestowitz	<DaemonFC> I think Grindr is even more pernicious than Facebook because Grindr taps into something primal that people are wired to want.
[07:09]	schestowitz	Grindr is a balckmail repository
[07:09]	schestowitz	or trove
[07:09]	schestowitz	they can recruit there
[07:09]	schestowitz	or do strings
[07:09]	schestowitz	*stings
[07:10]	mjg59_	Techrights is a blackmail repository, based on people saying stupid shit here
[07:11]	DaemonFC	Well, their stings would never work on me because I wasn't looking for that anyway.
[07:11]	DaemonFC	But it does disgust me in a sense because the police only focus there.
[07:11]	DaemonFC	They don't try to catch straight pedophiles.
[07:12]	DaemonFC	If they were baiting traps somewhere else too that would at least mean they were looking for criminals in general.
[07:12]	starstreak	techrights is the infowars of the free software world
[07:12]	starstreak	mixing fact and fiction to scare people
[07:14]	DaemonFC	mjg59_Techrights is a blackmail repository, based on people saying stupid shit here
[07:14]	DaemonFC	Stupid shit like what?
[07:14]	DaemonFC	Pigs looking to arrest gay men and nobody else?
[07:14]	DaemonFC	Typical pig shit.
[07:14]	DaemonFC	Oink oink.
[07:15]	DaemonFC	Smells like bacon.
[07:15]	DaemonFC	:)
[07:15]	elusive_woman	you haven't watched to catch a predator?
[07:15]	elusive_woman	or hansen vs predator?
[07:15]	DaemonFC	That was the part they let you see.
[07:15]	elusive_woman	they use straight apps too
[07:16]	DaemonFC	I have not seen anything of the sort.
[07:17]	TR News	What did NSA do in Salt Lake City? https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/asian-games-facial-recognition-07142023131026.html
[07:17]	TR Bot	 Booking a hotel room for the Asian Games? Local police will be watching you Radio Free Asia
[07:19]	mjg59_	Hey, Roy managed to get fired based on stuff he said here
[07:19]	TR News	Doxxing campaign targeting Hong Kong protesters had China links: report https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/hk-protesters-doxxing-07142023130019.html
[07:19]	TR Bot	 Doxxing campaign targeting Hong Kong protesters had China links: report Radio Free Asia
[07:19]	DaemonFC	I think Dr Pervert helped that along.
[07:19]	schestowitz	help what?
[07:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-07-17.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-07-18.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[07:20]	TR News	China Doesnt Want to Compete. It Wants to Win. https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/07/-us-china-economic-agenda-competition/674694/
[07:20]	DaemonFC	Didn't you say he doxed you and contacted your boss?
[07:20]	TR Bot	 China Doesnt Want to Compete. It Wants to Win. - The Atlantic
[07:20]	schestowitz	yes, rianne reckons he did it
[07:20]	mjg59_	Dude you think I triggered an inept web IRC client DoS
[07:20]	schestowitz	Techrights will cover this in the future
[07:20]	schestowitz	the person the doxing was done to escaped the company after that
[07:20]	schestowitz	it backfired badly on him
[07:21]	mjg59_	I just think it's objectively funny that someone who spends his time writing blog posts about misrepresenting what people said on the internet got suspended because of what he said on the internet
[07:21]	mjg59_	Petard, hoist, etc
[07:22]	TR News	China launches its first open-source desktop operating system as it moves to cut use of US tech https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/china-launches-its-first-open-source-desktop-operating-system-as-it-moves-to-cut-use-of-us-tech
[07:22]	TR Bot	 China launches its first open-source desktop operating system as it moves to cut use of US tech | The Straits Times
[07:25]	TR News	"The U.S. and China are engaged in a great-power struggle, and chips are part of the fight." https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/14/briefing/semiconductors.html
[07:25]	TR Bot	 The Semiconductor Struggle - The New York Times
[07:27]	TR News	No TWiK post this week https://pointieststick.com/2023/07/15/no-twik-post-this-week/
[07:27]	TR Bot	 No TWiK post this week Adventures in Linux and KDE
[07:43]	starstreak	<mjg59_> Hey, Roy managed to get fired based on stuff he said here
[07:43]	starstreak	he did?
[07:43]	DaemonFC	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan's_Run_(film)
[07:43]	TR Bot	 Logan's Run (film) - Wikipedia
[07:43]	DaemonFC	I have to admit that was one of my favorites as a child.
[07:47]	DaemonFC	Yes, it wasn't lost on me at all that the city they lived in resembled a shopping mall, even when I was a kid.
[07:47]	DaemonFC	Shopping malls were fun places, in their time.
[07:47]	DaemonFC	Now they're just sad to even look at, even if they still exist.
[07:47]	mjg59_	starstreak: Well, suspended, and then he resigned while refusing to follow the disciplinary procedures, as I understand it
[07:48]	DaemonFC	They waste a lot of space that should be a public park, or housing for people.
[07:48]	mjg59_	starstreak: http://techrights.org/2023/01/06/sirius-egoistic-or-egotistic-stalker/
[07:48]	TR Bot	 When the Employer Becomes an Egoistic Stalker | Techrights
[07:48]	TR News	This neglects to point out that SiliconANGLE takes bribes from Red Hat to spam and to lie https://linux.slashdot.org/story/23/07/15/0138208/red-hats-decision-prompts-outrage-and-sympathy-called-necessary-and-embarrassing
[07:48]	TR Bot	 Red Hat's Decision Prompts Outrage and Sympathy, Called 'Necessary' and 'Embarrassing' - Slashdot
[07:48]	DaemonFC	The idea of a mall came and went. Like, we don't actually need them anymore due to online shopping. They were undercut on price by Walmart for stuff you need.
[07:49]	starstreak	lol
[07:49]	starstreak	"Gates Foundation had passed money to the CEO under an NDA"
[07:49]	DaemonFC	There was no online shopping, no walmart. So like, you earned money at the factory along with everyone else. Then blew it at the mall.
[07:49]	starstreak	he rips on me for applying to microsoft 
[07:49]	DaemonFC	But that was okay because there was more money and there would be more money.
[07:49]	DaemonFC	Until the globalists came and killed America.
[07:50]	DaemonFC	I think that Globalism is a huge problem.
[07:50]	starstreak	he has a website detailing all their crimes too
[07:50]	DaemonFC	I don't think we owe our prosperity to anyone else, much less that we should GIVE it away.
[07:50]	DaemonFC	I want to quote Rod Blagojevich here, former Governor of Illinois.
[07:50]	DaemonFC	He was trying to take a bribe for a Senate seat.
[07:51]	DaemonFC	But I want to quote him on what I think of Globalism and "Free Trade".
[07:51]	DaemonFC	I have this thing, and it's fuckin' golden, and I'm not givin' it up for fuckin' nothin'!
[07:51]	mjg59_	The only reason a client would insist on an NDA is because it's a conspiracy against Roy
[07:51]	DaemonFC	And that should have been our answer to Globalists.
[07:51]	DaemonFC	And Neoliberalism.
[07:52]	DaemonFC	I am very much a "Protectionist" and I have no shame in admitting it.
[07:52]	DaemonFC	The people who use it as an insult are the ones that gutted this country.
[07:53]	DaemonFC	And I generally do not support an interventionist foreign policy or a huge welfare state.
[07:53]	DaemonFC	Nor do I think government should be in the business of picking winners and losers in banking and the corporate sector.
[07:54]	DaemonFC	Every time we've "gone there" as far as war, loosening trade policy, or bailouts, the result has been a disaster for the American people. We subsidize crooks, idle people, and foreigners who hate us.
[07:54]	starstreak	lol 
[07:54]	starstreak	the email correspondence is hilarious
[07:54]	starstreak	"can you please get on zoom" "no! ITS PROPRIETARY"
[07:54]	DaemonFC	The Central Bank should be nationalized.
[07:55]	DaemonFC	I don't think that the Free Banking Era was good, but I also think the Fed is a disaster for the economy and the product of flagrant corruption.
[07:55]	mjg59_	starstreak: Well, it's a defense?
[07:56]	DaemonFC	I am against the surveillance state.
[07:56]	DaemonFC	So, it's sort of ridiculous to try to say I liked Trump or that I might have voted for him.
[07:56]	DaemonFC	What did he do? Update NAFTA a little bit?
[07:56]	starstreak	If you do not join us on the call by 17:30 we will take this as a failure to comply with a properly issued management instruction, we will close the call and we will investigate this incident as a potential disciplinary issue too.
[07:56]	starstreak	lol
[07:57]	starstreak	they even tried calling him on the phone and he didnt answer
[07:57]	DaemonFC	The phone as in the actual phone?
[07:57]	DaemonFC	He uses that all the time.
[07:58]	DaemonFC	"This is the United States calling.....they hung up!"
[07:58]	TR News	 (NEW): Exploring openKylin: China's 1st Independent Open-Source Linux OS (UPDATED) http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/08/Exploring_openKylin_China_s_1st_Independent_Open_Source_Linux_O.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/08/Exploring_openKylin_China_s_1st_Independent_Open_Source_Linux_O.gmi 
[07:58]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Exploring openKylin: China's 1st Independent Open-Source Linux OS (UPDATED)
[07:58]	TR News	 (NEW): Akademy 2023 Focus http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/18/Akademy_2023_Focus.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/18/Akademy_2023_Focus.gmi 
[07:58]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Akademy 2023 Focus
[07:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 34.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 215.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[07:59]	DaemonFC	Everyone wants to brand Libertarianism as a right wing thing. It's easy to dismiss that way.
[07:59]	DaemonFC	People who want the government to leave people alone are all fascists. Because fascists are famous for leaving other people alone and letting them chart a course for their own lives.
● Jul 18
[08:00]	DaemonFC	Why the first thing they do when they take over is say you can go to the death camps or not go to the death camps, that's entirely a you thing.
[08:00]	DaemonFC	Like Hitler did.
[08:01]	TR News	Security updates for Monday https://lwn.net/Articles/938375/
[08:01]	TR Bot	updates for Monday [LWN.net]
[08:01]	DaemonFC	That's not a Holocaust joke mind you, it's pointing something out here.
[08:01]	DaemonFC	That Libertarianism is pretty much the least extreme thing you can be.
[08:02]	TR News	City of Odessa dealing with data breach https://www.cbs7.com/2023/07/17/city-odessa-dealing-with-data-breach/
[08:02]	TR Bot	 City of Odessa dealing with data breach
[08:02]	DaemonFC	The United States Constitution doesn't obligate the government to provide for the General Welfare of the public.
[08:02]	DaemonFC	It just says they can if they want to, and they don't.
[08:02]	DaemonFC	So they're in perfect compliance.
[08:02]	TR News	Two California plastic surgery practices suffer cyberattacks and embarrassing patient data leaks https://www.databreaches.net/two-california-plastic-surgery-practices-suffer-cyberattacks-and-embarrassing-patient-data-leaks/
[08:02]	TR Bot	 Two California plastic surgery practices suffer cyberattacks and embarrassing patient data leaks
[08:03]	TR News	No Need to Hack When Its Leaking, Monday edition: Dating App That Claims 50 Million Users Suffered a Data Breach https://www.vpnmentor.com/news/report-419dating-breach/
[08:03]	TR Bot	 Dating App That Claims 50 Million Users Suffered a Data Breach
[08:04]	TR News	ONS numbers due again in 1.5 hours regarding mortality
[08:04]	starstreak	mjg59_, maybe he was talking trash in irc during work hours
[08:04]	DaemonFC	elusive_woman: So like, the first thing I've noticed about Predator is that the "decoys" (which are all over 18) aren't even all that hot, much less anything you'd risk prison time over.
[08:04]	starstreak	i was always wondering how Roy could post stuff 24/7
[08:05]	DaemonFC	So like, why do they go in?
[08:05]	DaemonFC	I'd say it's also fairly obvious, even from outside the door, that 90% of them are obviously well over 18 and in their 20s or so.
[08:05]	DaemonFC	It's almost laughably bad what kind of a "trap" was set and how many persisted.
[08:06]	starstreak	"Under the European Convention on Human Rights Article 6 (England is in the European Court of Human Rights) I am entitled to have a representative and access an objective tribunal. You will hear from my lawyer soon."
[08:06]	starstreak	LOL
[08:07]	TR News	China executes kindergarten teacher for poisoning pre-schoolers, killing one child https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/china-executes-kindergarten-teacher-for-poisoning-pre-schoolers
[08:07]	TR Bot	 China executes kindergarten teacher for poisoning pre-schoolers, killing one child | The Straits Times
[08:07]	DaemonFC	"He sent webcam photos of his genitals, told her he could teach a 14 year old girl how to masturbate, all this from a man who admits online that he's seen To Catch a Predator."
[08:07]	DaemonFC	Well, in his defense, DallasBadBoy did get his window stickers from the city for his truck so he can't be all bad.
[08:09]	elusive_woman	lol
[08:09]	elusive_woman	there was one dude who had the screen name: can_I_rape_you_anally
[08:09]	DaemonFC	Yeah, now say it in the Chris Haaaaaaaaaansoooooon voice.
[08:09]	DaemonFC	:)
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[08:12]	TR News	"Goal seems to be to avoid tainting purity of communist monuments with commercialism" https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/tiananmen-square-ads-07122023163851.html
[08:12]	TR Bot	 Beijing mulls ban on commercial ads on public buses in Tiananmen Square Radio Free Asia
[08:13]	TR News	An Act of War: Inside Americas Silicon Blockade Against China https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/12/magazine/semiconductor-chips-us-china.html
[08:13]	TR Bot	 An Act of War: Inside Americas Silicon Blockade Against China - The New York Times
[08:13]	immibis	why is nobody calling it OceanGateGate
[08:14]	starstreak	lmao
[08:14]	TR News	NBA star says he was dumped for China criticism https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/enes-kanter-congress-07112023135843.html
[08:14]	TR Bot	 NBA star says he was dumped for China criticism Radio Free Asia
[08:15]	TR News	Hong Kong police question family of exiled activist Nathan Law https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/hk-nathan-lam-family-07112023130047.html
[08:15]	TR Bot	 Hong Kong police question family of exiled activist Nathan Law Radio Free Asia
[08:15]	starstreak	i was thinking the company was prepared for failure by calling their company OceanGate
[08:16]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2020/07/16/gates-press-sunset/
[08:16]	TR Bot	 The Gates Press (GatesGate) Part VI: Sunsetting for Now | Techrights
[08:16]	starstreak	i feel bad for the young man that died but not for the billionaires
[08:16]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2020/06/23/urgency-calls/
[08:16]	TR Bot	 The Gates Press (GatesGate) Part V: Putting the Series on Hold to Focus on More Urgent Matters | Techrights
[08:16]	mjg59_	starstreak: He worked random shifts, so who knows
[08:17]	TR News	"It said the contentious map does not depict Beijing's nine-dash line claim over the South China Sea." https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/philippines-greenlights-barbie-film-screening-to-blur-dashes-in-south-china-sea-map
[08:17]	TR Bot	 Philippines green-lights Barbie film screening, to blur dashes in South China Sea map | The Straits Times
[08:18]	DaemonFC	"They ranged in age from 23" Well, the law's the law I suppose. "to 63" Blagghhhhh! 
[08:19]	DaemonFC	Some people would really hate it if I was a judge.
[08:19]	DaemonFC	I'd get a 63 year old pedo in my courtroom and I'd berate them in open court.
[08:19]	DaemonFC	"You are 63 years old!"
[08:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-07-17.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-07-18.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[08:20]	immibis	DaemonFC: are you saying you think pedophiles only go for children who are hot...?
[08:20]	DaemonFC	"What in the HELL were you doing trying to show up at a 15 year old's house?"
[08:20]	DaemonFC	And then they'd get punished very severely. 
[08:20]	DaemonFC	immibisDaemonFC: are you saying you think pedophiles only go for children who are hot...?
[08:20]	DaemonFC	I don't really know how they think, thank god.
[08:21]	TR News	 (NEW): Security Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/18/Security_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/18/Security_Leftovers.gmi 
[08:21]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Security Leftovers
[08:21]	TR News	 (NEW): GNU forked Libreboot? http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/18/GNU_forked_Libreboot.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/18/GNU_forked_Libreboot.gmi 
[08:21]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines GNU forked Libreboot?
[08:21]	DaemonFC	Maybe I'm overthinking this but like, you don't commit a felony to get $20 out of the cash register at 7/11.
[08:21]	DaemonFC	You go rob a bank.
[08:22]	schestowitz	banks are harder
[08:23]	TR News	Nearly one fourth of Chinas young people report mental health problems https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/youth-mental-health-07102023134606.html
[08:23]	TR Bot	 Nearly one fourth of Chinas young people report mental health problems Radio Free Asia
[08:24]	TR News	Looming U.S. Investment Restrictions on China Threaten Diplomatic Outreach https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/13/us/politics/us-china-investment-restrictions.html
[08:24]	TR Bot	 Looming U.S. Investment Restrictions on China Threaten Diplomatic Outreach - The New York Times
[08:25]	TR News	Why Chinas Young People Are Not Getting Married https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/10/world/asia/china-marriage-rate.html
[08:25]	TR Bot	 Why Chinas Young People Are Not Getting Married - The New York Times
[08:27]	starstreak	mjg59_, well i had the theory that Roy was a team of people based on the frequency of posting and the idea that one has to work sometime
[08:27]	immibis	foolish criminals rob banks. smart criminals found banks.
[08:27]	immibis	(create them)
[08:28]	DaemonFC	But you get the point.
[08:28]	DaemonFC	If you're going to break the law, like really determined to do it.
[08:28]	DaemonFC	Steal a Mercedes, not a Chevy.
[08:28]	DaemonFC	But you shouldn't steal a car.
[08:29]	DaemonFC	There was an episode of Breaking Bad where Walt says "I am breaking the law here! This is not enough money!"
[08:29]	mjg59_	starstreak: Oh given that posting frequency didn't increase much after he stopped working I think he was just never working much to begin with
[08:30]	DaemonFC	mjg59_: I hope you're taking a lot of money out of Aurora so it fails quicker.
[08:30]	DaemonFC	Did they take away your employee cafeteria yet?
[08:32]	starstreak	and because he posts his irc logs online, they have plenty of evidence of misconduct
[08:32]	starstreak	timestamps
[08:32]	TR News	"Its super easy. Just tag us in a photo, video, or text post sharing what youve been up to with Raspberry Pi recently." https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/lets-all-celebrate-magpimonday/ | Source: Raspberry Pi
[08:32]	starstreak	"oh interesting, he was on the clock when he slandered X company"
[08:32]	TR Bot	 Let's all celebrate #MagPiMonday - Raspberry Pi
[08:32]	DaemonFC	The company is failing anyway.
[08:32]	TR News	"Create your first or your next IoT project with the new Arduino Nano ESP32." https://blog.arduino.cc/2023/07/17/introducing-the-nano-esp32-thats-iot/ | Source: Arduino
[08:32]	TR Bot	 Introducing the Nano ESP32: THATS I(o)T! | Arduino Blog
[08:32]	DaemonFC	They stole the employee pensions on the way out too.
[08:33]	DaemonFC	So I mean it's not like it would have ended much differently had Matt GULAG (a creep) not contacted his crooked boss that was stealing the pensions.
[08:33]	schestowitz	i was the one uncovering those scandals
[08:33]	schestowitz	and informing the victims
[08:34]	schestowitz	starstreak: go work for Microsoft
[08:34]	schestowitz	or never mind
[08:34]	schestowitz	seems you already do
[08:34]	schestowitz	for free
[08:34]	schestowitz	DaemonFC: a colleague is going to contact pension ombuds
[08:35]	schestowitz	to hold accountable not only Sirius
[08:35]	starstreak	lol this has nothing to do with microsoft
[08:35]	schestowitz	this series will go on till netx year at least
[08:35]	schestowitz	we never finished the github series either
[08:35]	schestowitz	expect a third round of github layoffs soon
[08:35]	schestowitz	github is collapsing
[08:35]	schestowitz	as a business it never succeeded
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[08:35]	schestowitz	but the business model of Microsoft is not working either
[08:35]	schestowitz	lots of cuts made
[08:36]	TR News	"a rival connected e-bike company has created an app that will purportedly unlock the VanMoof bikes" https://staceyoniot.com/plan-for-death-at-the-start-of-building-your-connected-device/ | Source: Stacey on IoT
[08:36]	TR Bot	 Plan for death at the start of building your connected device - Stacey on IoT | Internet of Things news and analysis
[08:36]	TR News	"I've not been very communicative about my week during the Old Computer Challenge v3, the reason is that I failed it." https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2023-07-17-old-computer-challenge-v3-part2.html | Source: Data Swamp
[08:36]	TR Bot	 Solene'% : Old Computer Challenge v3: postmortem
[08:36]	mjg59_	Yeah where's the tech topic here
[08:37]	TR News	"As well as being the co-founder of the Arduino project" https://www.tomshardware.com/news/massimo-banzi-pi-cast | Source: Tom's Hardware
[08:37]	TR Bot	 Arduino Co-Founder Will Take Your Questions Live on the Pi Cast | Tom's Hardware
[08:37]	TR News	"These days, GENIUS NY is considered the largest drone and robotics accelerator program in the world." https://www.thedronegirl.com/2023/07/17/murzilli-consulting-genius-ny-drone/ | Source: The Drone Girl
[08:37]	TR Bot	reply from server ( status 0 @ https://www.thedronegirl.com/2023/07/17/murzilli-consulting-genius-ny-drone/ )
[08:37]	starstreak	microsofts stock is actually going up, so cuts to staff is likely just a capitalist plot to profit more 
[08:38]	schestowitz	finctional values
[08:38]	TR News	Open Access https://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2023/07/17/guest-post-peer-review-week-2023-to-focus-on-peer-review-and-the-future-of-publishing/ |
[08:38]	TR Bot	 Guest Post - Peer Review Week 2023 to Focus on Peer Review and the Future of Publishing - The Scholarly Kitchen
[08:39]	TR News	"In data analysis and programming, its common to encounter situations where you need to identify duplicate values within a dataset" https://www.r-bloggers.com/2023/07/finding-duplicate-values-in-a-data-frame-in-r-a-guide-using-base-r-and-dplyr/ | Source: Rlang
[08:39]	TR Bot	Duplicate Values in a Data Frame in R: A Guide Using Base R and dplyr | R-bloggers
[08:39]	starstreak	the stock market is fictional?
[08:40]	starstreak	thats no different than trump claiming "fake news"
[08:41]	mjg59_	Fictional values in the sense that they're created out of a sense of belief rather than anything absolute, just as all capitalism is
[08:41]	mjg59_	Microsoft is, sadly, doing ok
[08:41]	schestowitz	lots of fake news does exist
[08:41]	schestowitz	this predates trump
[08:42]	schestowitz	the term fake news became popular around 2014
[08:42]	schestowitz	china used it
[08:42]	schestowitz	to censor news
[08:42]	schestowitz	then it was used against trump
[08:42]	schestowitz	"d" politciians said trump won owing to "fake news"
[08:42]	schestowitz	so it's not trump coming up with this label
[08:42]	schestowitz	it was first used by his opponents
[08:42]	starstreak	now hes defending trump lol
[08:42]	schestowitz	accusing various things of being "FAKE NEWS"
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[08:42]	mjg59_	Yeah he's actually a piece of shit
[08:42]	schestowitz	starstreak: now your reading compehension fails again
[08:43]	mjg59_	But he can't see anything I say
[08:43]	mjg59_	Pppffffthftpohdrdthbgthhh
[08:44]	schestowitz	I criticised the term "fake news" before Trump even ran for pres
[08:44]	schestowitz	when china used the term a lot
[08:44]	schestowitz	then democrats started adopting this label from china
[08:44]	schestowitz	the trump 'co-opted' it is an historical fact
[08:44]	schestowitz	documented here also in irc logs
[08:45]	starstreak	actually
[08:45]	starstreak	it was Craig Silverman
[08:45]	schestowitz	nazi germany used a similar term
[08:45]	starstreak	https://www.politico.com/interactives/2017/politico50/craig-silverman/
[08:45]	TR Bot	50: Craig Silverman
[08:45]	schestowitz	in the 1930s
[08:45]	schestowitz	"lying press"
[08:46]	schestowitz	but china was censoring left an d right
[08:46]	schestowitz	and assured people it was just removing "fakes"
[08:46]	schestowitz	around 2014
[08:46]	starstreak	Craig Silverman who worked for Buzzfeed noticed a lot of fake news websites supporting trump
[08:46]	schestowitz	Buzzfeed is bust
[08:46]	schestowitz	POLITICO is owned by a German oligarch
[08:46]	starstreak	https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/craigsilverman/how-macedonia-became-a-global-hub-for-pro-trump-misinfo#.ujy0xGe3mk
[08:47]	schestowitz	those are telling only part of the story
[08:47]	TR Bot	 How Teens In The Balkans Are Duping Trump Supporters With Fake News
[08:47]	schestowitz	there are many fake news sites
[08:47]	schestowitz	they make it sound like everything is about trump
[08:47]	schestowitz	china and russia have many such sites
[08:48]	starstreak	mjg59_, you're right, he is weirdly conservative
[08:48]	schestowitz	<techrights-news> Chinese state media is pumping out bad news about US, Britain https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/china-bad-news-07112023142511.html
[08:48]	TR Bot	 Chinese state media is pumping out bad news about US, Britain Radio Free Asia
[08:48]	schestowitz	2 hours ago
[08:48]	schestowitz	sadly, western media became almost the same
[08:48]	schestowitz	today's MSM is a lot like the Chinese state media
[08:51]	schestowitz	<starstreak> mjg59_, you're right, he is weirdly conservative
[08:51]	schestowitz	you realise you talk to transphobe mjg59_ , right?
[08:52]	TR News	"Her list explains a huge part of the Web, but was completely orthogonal to what I was thinking about teaching." https://computinged.wordpress.com/2023/07/17/what-humanities-scholars-want-students-to-know-about-the-internet-alternative-paths-for-alternative-endpoints/ | Source: CER
[08:52]	TR Bot	 What Humanities Scholars Want Students To Know About the Internet: Alternative Paths for Alternative Endpoints | Computing Ed Research - Guzdial's Take
[08:52]	mjg59_	I said some things in the past that were absolutely wrong and I've done my best to improve since then
[08:52]	TR News	"They should ignore extra-curricular activities (that tend to bias against poorer students with less free time)." https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2023/07/why-you-should-attend-the-university-of-luck/ | Source: Terence Eden
[08:52]	TR Bot	 Why you should attend the University of Luck Terence Edens Blog
[08:53]	mjg59_	Roy apparently believes that people can literally never change?
[08:53]	TR News	"Im not gonna achieve anything from this experiment, Im just curious to see what happens if instead of eight hours straight" https://alirezahayati.com/2023/07/17/managed-and-controlled-sleep-an-experiment/ | Source: Ali Reza Hayati
[08:53]	TR Bot	 Managed and controlled sleep: an experiment - Ali Reza Hayati
[08:53]	immibis	roy just hates everyone
[08:54]	immibis	starstreak: all stocks are going up, but the dollar is going down
[08:54]	schestowitz	labour participation rates too
[08:54]	mjg59_	In http://techrights.org/credibility-index/ Roy said Jono Bacon was 4/5 credible, which I don't think he'd say now
[08:54]	TR Bot	 The Free Software Credibility Index | Techrights
[08:55]	schestowitz	so you know what that means to actual capital
[08:55]	starstreak	mjg59_, yeah people never change for him
[08:55]	schestowitz	rather than some numbers in a ticker
[08:55]	mjg59_	But I guess he's stuck with that now
[08:55]	starstreak	schestowitz, so what evidence do you have that microsoft and github are collapsing?
[08:55]	TR News	"For this month's newsletter, Im going to cover a range of things you can do to simplify your Teleport deployment" https://goteleport.com/blog/simplify-teleport/ | Source: Teleport
[08:55]	TR Bot	 Simplify Teleport - July Newsletter
[08:56]	mjg59_	None
[08:56]	schestowitz	starstreak: where to even start?
[08:56]	schestowitz	choose one
[08:56]	mjg59_	They're doing absolute fine commercially
[08:56]	schestowitz	github is smaller
[08:56]	schestowitz	so easier to address that in isolation
[08:56]	mjg59_	Lots to complain about from a community perspective
[08:56]	TR News	"In the space of about one second, at the age of almost 23, I had glimpsed my future, my colleagues future, and the future of PC gaming" https://www.theverge.com/23796894/john-romero-id-software-commander-keen-autobiography | Source: The Verge
[08:56]	TR Bot	 Excerpt: John Romeros autobiography Doom Guy on the birth of id Software - The Verge
[08:56]	TR News	"A world in which machines governed by artificial intelligence (AI) systematically replace human beings in most business" https://www.thenation.com/article/world/artificial-intelligence-us-military/ | Source: The Nation
[08:56]	TR Bot	 The Future of AI Is War | The Nation
[08:57]	starstreak	well, layoffs don't mean they're suffering
[08:57]	schestowitz	so what does mean that?
[08:57]	schestowitz	people jumping from windows?
[08:58]	schestowitz	in flaming buildings?
[08:58]	TR News	"But a world in which the bots can understand and speak my name, and yours, is also an eerie one." https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2023/07/ai-voice-assistants-name-pronunciation/674731/ | Source: The Atlantic
[08:58]	TR Bot	 AI Can Finally Say My Name Correctly - The Atlantic
[08:58]	starstreak	its called capitalist profit
[08:58]	starstreak	less workers, more profit
[08:58]	TR News	Windows TCO. "In addition to personal data, the documents are claimed to contain financial information such as client documentation" https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/barts-health-nhs-trust-faces-ransomware-threats-russian-organisation-blackcat-1717697 | Source: International Business Times
[08:58]	TR Bot	 Barts Health NHS Trust faces ransomware threats from Russian organisation BlackCat
[08:59]	schestowitz	over-hiring is about inflation perceived worth
[08:59]	schestowitz	companies don't fire to be "worth" more
[08:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 34.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 215.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[08:59]	schestowitz	they fire because those units are failing
[08:59]	schestowitz	and they will soon need to pay 3 billion dollars
[08:59]	schestowitz	due to activision
[08:59]	schestowitz	even if this falls through
● Jul 18
[09:00]	starstreak	the entire tech industry is laying people off
[09:00]	TR News	"But why is there such hectic push to acquire either personal identities" https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/2023/07/17/374/ | Source: Systemd Free
[09:00]	TR Bot	 Anonymity and corporate FOSS | systemd-free linux community
[09:00]	starstreak	the 1% want their money
[09:00]	schestowitz	<starstreak> the entire tech industry is laying people off
[09:00]	starstreak	they dont need us anymore
[09:00]	schestowitz	yes, and?
[09:01]	DaemonFC	mjg59_Microsoft is, sadly, doing ok
[09:01]	DaemonFC	You've made a lot of money together.
[09:01]	DaemonFC	Why would you say it's sad that they're "doing okay" (which they obviously don't seem to be....)
[09:02]	TR News	IRC Proceedings: Monday, July 17, 2023 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2023/07/18/irc-log-170723/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2023/07/18/irc-log-170723/
[09:03]	TR Bot	 IRC Proceedings: Monday, July 17, 2023 | Techrights
[09:03]	mjg59_	How much money do you think I've got out of Microsoft, and how?
[09:03]	mjg59_	I have literally no financial investment in Microsoft's success
[09:03]	DaemonFC	You did a lot of work promoting their nonsense when they should have been sued.
[09:03]	DaemonFC	Implementing it.
[09:03]	DaemonFC	I mean, maybe if they are doing okay they can pay you to come back and attack Free Software again.
[09:04]	DaemonFC	Through another proxy, perhaps.
[09:04]	DaemonFC	So I find it odd that this would be "sad" for you.
[09:04]	mjg59_	Who can pay me?
[09:04]	TR News	"Following a CJEU ruling that declared Meta/Facebooks GDPR approach largely illegal, the Norwegian DPA (Datatilsynet)" https://noyb.eu/en/norway-temporary-ban-behavioral-ads-facebook-instagram | Source: NYOB
[09:04]	TR Bot	 Norway temporary ban behavioral ads Facebook Instagram
[09:05]	starstreak	mjg59_, they "can't afford 17,000" workers but they can pay random people on the internet to spread propaganda
[09:05]	TR News	"Facebook and Instagram owner Meta Platforms will be fined one million crowns ($100,000) per day over privacy breaches unless it takes remedial action" https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/technology/meta-fined-by-norway-regulator-datatilsynet-over-data-privacy-breaches/articleshow/101823137.cms | Source: India Times
[09:05]	TR Bot	 meta norway regulator fine: Meta fined by Norway regulator Datatilsynet over data privacy breaches - The Economic Times
[09:06]	DaemonFC	It's not much different than the US government.
[09:06]	DaemonFC	They cut off food stamps from the elderly but pay the media and tech companies to spy on and lie to people.
[09:06]	DaemonFC	Things like that.
[09:06]	DaemonFC	It's all about what you prioritize. Not losing control of the narrative.
[09:07]	DaemonFC	mjg59_ works in a dirty industry in a dirty sort of job.
[09:07]	DaemonFC	Security is a euphemism for "quite the opposite".
[09:07]	schestowitz	RMS said that in his talk
[09:07]	schestowitz	this summer
[09:07]	schestowitz	he argued security no longer means actual security
[09:07]	starstreak	mjg59_, oh wait, you said some transphobic stuff 20 years ago so i shouldn't talk to you
[09:07]	schestowitz	but did not go intto all the details
[09:08]	DaemonFC	It means DRM and backdoors when you talk about it in the mjg59_ situation.
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[09:11]	schestowitz	he is not a security person
[09:11]	mjg59_	RMS argued in favour of not having passwords
[09:11]	schestowitz	he is imposter , charalatan and psychopath
[09:12]	mjg59_	RMS is not a security person
[09:12]	schestowitz	in aa lot of today's industyr that can work
[09:12]	schestowitz	you can even be a fraud and control the White House, Twitter etc.
[09:12]	mjg59_	I make Roy so angry he can't type
[09:12]	starstreak	;p;
[09:12]	starstreak	lol
[09:12]	starstreak	yeah RMS was against passwords
[09:12]	TR News	"Junnila is not the only controversial politician in his party. Many other Finns Party MPs have been convicted of ethnic agitation." https://jacobin.com/2023/07/finland-finns-party-national-coaliton-far-right-neoliberalism/ | Source: Jacobin Magazine
[09:12]	TR Bot	 Finlands Neoliberal and Far-Right Alliance Is a Sign of Things to Come in Europe
[09:13]	TR News	"Michigan elections must remain free, fair, and accountable. HB4210 will not help." https://www.bridgemi.com/guest-commentary/opinion-case-against-allowing-internet-voting-michigan | Source: Bridge Michigan
[09:13]	TR Bot	 Opinion | The case against allowing internet voting in Michigan | Bridge Michigan
[09:14]	schestowitz	rms was a very proficient programmer
[09:14]	schestowitz	and passwords have their issues
[09:14]	schestowitz	they have merits in some cases
[09:14]	schestowitz	the reason MIT introduced them was seen as unjust
[09:14]	schestowitz	it was not so much about security
[09:14]	schestowitz	more like resource management
[09:15]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-170723.html#tJul%2017%2001:28:23
[09:15]	TR Bot	 IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, July 17, 2023
[09:15]	schestowitz	i will cover it in a video this week
[09:16]	TR News	"A social model dependent on importing hundreds of thousands of people a year is not sustainable" https://www.newstatesman.com/quickfire/2023/07/labour-scrap-two-child-benefit-cap-future-luxury | Source: New Statesman
[09:16]	TR Bot	 The two-child benefit cap makes the future a luxury - New Statesman
[09:16]	mjg59_	Microsoft shouldn't sign bullshit drivers, so it's a good thing you can configure secure boot so your computer refuses to boot Windows
[09:16]	mjg59_	BIOS didn't let you do that
[09:16]	TR News	"Great apes and other primates too have been shown to understand the correspondence between a 2D digital image and a real thing in the world, so they can understand and make that cognitive link." https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2023/07/07/humans-arent-the-only-ones-fixated-on-phones-why-the-toronto-zoo-is-cutting-back-on-gorilla-screen-time.html | Source: The Toronto Star
[09:16]	TR Bot	 Why the Toronto Zoo wants you to stop showing gorillas your phone | The Star
[09:17]	starstreak	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agqkiNYM9Zw
[09:17]	TR Bot	https://inv.makerlab.tech/watch?v=agqkiNYM9Zw
[09:17]	TR Bot	inv.makerlab.tech | Stallman tried to save us from passwords! - Invidious
[09:18]	immibis	no passwords means I can log in as schestowitz
[09:18]	TR News	"Up for debate over the next months will be the limits for polices use of surveillance technology" https://edri.org/our-work/all-eyes-on-eu-will-europes-ai-legislation-protect-peoples-rights/ | Source: EDRI
[09:18]	TR Bot	 All eyes on EU: Will Europes AI legislation protect peoples rights? - European Digital Rights (EDRi)
[09:19]	immibis	what's the alternative to importing people? making them at home and worsening the overpopulation crisis
[09:19]	starstreak	the government should be able to access your computer without being stopped by something like a password
[09:19]	immibis	^
[09:19]	immibis	also why is it framed as "the government importing people" and not "people choosing to move"
[09:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-07-17.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-07-18.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[09:20]	starstreak	immibis, why can't I read your e-mail you fascist?
[09:21]	immibis	you can in schestowitz's dystopia
[09:21]	mjg59_	My laptop refuses to boot Windows so I don't need to care about Windows-based attack vectors
[09:21]	mjg59_	Roy insists on having a laptop that can't do that
[09:22]	TR News	"I have written about The Minimum Wage Debate many times." https://www.logikalsolutions.com/wordpress/experience/nobody-wants-to-work/ |
[09:22]	TR Bot	 Myth - Nobody Wants to Work Logikal Blog
[09:22]	starstreak	mjg59_, does it also refuse to boot live usbs the police use?
[09:22]	mjg59_	It does!
[09:22]	mjg59_	Well, depending on what the bootloader is there
[09:22]	TR News	Censorship https://anfenglishmobile.com/human-rights/thousands-of-activists-arrested-across-iran-since-the-beginning-of-the-year-68341 | Source: ANF News
[09:22]	TR Bot	 ANF | Thousands of activists arrested across Iran since the beginning of the year
[09:22]	mjg59_	But for common cases they won't be able to decrypt the drive
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[09:23]	starstreak	mjg59_, encrypted hard drive? france says you're a criminal!
[09:24]	TR News	"SLAPPs dont usually win in court, but thats not what theyre intended to do." https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/slapp-legal-intimidation-activists/ | Source: The Nation
[09:24]	TR Bot	 Lawsuits Have Become the Weapon of Choice Against Activists | The Nation
[09:24]	TR News	"Overseeing the birth of YAF were two defenders of McCarthyism and the stamping out of free speech: Buckley himself and his protg" https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/young-americans-freedom/ | Source: The Nation
[09:24]	TR Bot	 The Campus Rights Long War on Free Speech | The Nation
[09:24]	immibis	starstreak: did they?
[09:24]	immibis	i thought they said they were allowed to hack it if they could
[09:25]	mjg59_	starstreak: Not the only reason France would say that!
[09:25]	schestowitz	france misunderstands its issue
[09:25]	schestowitz	it's a societal one
[09:25]	DaemonFC	mjg59_Microsoft shouldn't sign bullshit drivers, so it's a good thing you can configure secure boot so your computer refuses to boot Windows
[09:25]	schestowitz	not a lack of lack doors
[09:25]	DaemonFC	How do you do that on a Lenovo ThinkBook?
[09:26]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2020/08/14/control-but-no-accountability/
[09:26]	TR Bot	 High-Level Criminals Associate Privacy With Crime Because They Want Privacy Only for Themselves (Control But No Accountability) | Techrights
[09:26]	immibis	schestowitz: france is on the other side. macron is the dictator trying to control everyone's thoughts. Ironically some idiots were saying this exact thing two years ago, but for completely nonsensical reasons
[09:26]	starstreak	immibis, https://www.laquadrature.net/2023/06/05/affaire-du-8-decembre-le-chiffrement-des-communications-assimile-a-un-comportement-terroriste/
[09:26]	TR Bot	 Affaire du 8 dcembre : le chiffrement des communications assimil un comportement terroriste La Quadrature du Net
[09:27]	starstreak	lutilisation dapplications comme Signal, WhatsApp, Wire, Silence ou ProtonMail pour chiffrer ses communications ;
[09:27]	starstreak	 le recours des outils permettant de protger sa vie prive sur Internet comme un VPN, Tor ou Tails ; 
[09:28]	schestowitz	China handles the same problem France has with "re-education camps"
[09:28]	schestowitz	not that I condone it
[09:28]	starstreak	so using Signal, WhatsApp, Wire, Silence, ProtonMail, VPN, Tor or Tails makes you a terrorist
[09:28]	mjg59_	http://techrights.org/credibility-index/ - Swapnil gets 5/5
[09:28]	TR Bot	 The Free Software Credibility Index | Techrights
[09:30]	TR News	"Iran is once again deploying police officers on the streets to enforce its conservative dress code for women" https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/17/world/middleeast/iran-women-protests-hijab.html | Source: New York Times
[09:30]	TR Bot	 Iran Steps Up Policing of Women Who Defy Strict Dress Code - The New York Times
[09:31]	TR News	"The Iranian regime has taken all sorts of measures to quell the protests." https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/irans-morality-police-returns-despite-protests-against-hijab-rules-1717720 | Source: International Business Times
[09:31]	TR Bot	 Iran's morality police returns despite protests against hijab rules
[09:31]	TR News	"Several Iranian celebrities joined the protests, including prominent directors and actors from the country's celebrated film industry." https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20230717-iran-s-morality-police-resume-patrols-after-lull-following-death-of-mahsa-amini | Source: France24
[09:31]	TR Bot	 Irans morality police resume patrols after lull following death of Mahsa Amini
[09:31]	starstreak	now we need 3 stories about iran suppressing women
[09:32]	schestowitz	Censorship
[09:32]	schestowitz	online, too
[09:32]	TR News	"recently there have been reports of its return by several journalists and social media users" https://www.dw.com/en/why-is-iran-reintroducing-its-morality-police/a-66257847 | Source: Deutsche Welle
[09:32]	TR Bot	is Iran bringing back its 'morality police'? DW 07/17/2023
[09:33]	TR News	"professor who studies remote work, told me that research and evidence are slowly catching up to the work-from-home debate." https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2023/07/remote-work-return-to-office-policies/674736/ | Source: The Atlantic
[09:33]	TR Bot	 Why the Remote-Work Debate Stays So Heated - The Atlantic
[09:33]	TR News	">Our two unions have not been on strike together since 1960." https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/07/hollywoods-cruel-strategy/674730/ | Source: The Atlantic
[09:33]	TR Bot	 Hollywood's Cruel Strategy - The Atlantic
[09:35]	TR News	"National Peoples Congress in October 2020. The amendment could not take effect in Hong Kong directly, but is put into effect by local legislation pursuant to the Hong Kong Basic Law." https://www.jurist.org/news/2023/07/hong-kong-man-jailed-for-insulting-china-and-hong-kong-flag/ | Source: JURIST
[09:35]	TR Bot	 Hong Kong man jailed for 'insulting' China and Hong Kong flag - JURIST - News
[09:35]	TR News	Hong Kong security law Article 23 would target modern-day espionage and [Internet] loopholes, security chief says https://hongkongfp.com/2023/07/17/hong-kong-security-law-article-23-would-target-modern-day-espionage-and-internet-loopholes-security-chief-says/ | Source: Hong Kong Free Press
[09:35]	TR Bot	 Hong Kong security law Article 23 would target 'modern-day espionage' and 'internet loopholes,' security chief says - Hong Kong Free Press HKFP
[09:36]	TR News	"Mexican police were investigating without taking into account their journalistic backgrounds" https://www.jurist.org/news/2023/07/mexico-journalist-killed-amid-spate-of-anti-news-media-violence/ | Source: JURIST
[09:36]	TR Bot	 Mexico journalist killed amid spate of anti-news media violence - JURIST - News
[09:37]	TR News	"Burkinab authorities should immediately reverse the suspension of French television news channel La Chane Info (LCI)" https://cpj.org/2023/07/burkina-faso-suspends-third-french-media-outlet-in-under-8-months/ | Source: CPJ
[09:37]	TR Bot	 Burkina Faso suspends third French media outlet in under 8 months - Committee to Protect Journalists
[09:38]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: You switch to custom mode, you boot Linux, you enroll your chosen keys
[09:38]	mjg59_	It's actually easier on Thinkpads than on most machines
[09:39]	TR News	"There is much at stake in this fight." https://jacobin.com/2023/07/postdoc-unionization-uaw-university-of-california-organizing/ | Source: Jacobin Magazine
[09:39]	TR Bot	 Unionize the Postdocs
[09:41]	TR News	"Arkaroola Wilderness Sanctuary comprises over 63,000 hectares of conservation land in the Flinders Ranges and Outback of South Australia." https://www.darksky.org/arkaroola-wilderness-sanctuary-becomes-south-australias-first-international-dark-sky-sanctuary/ | Source: IDA
[09:41]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.darksky.org/arkaroola-wilderness-sanctuary-becomes-south-australias-first-international-dark-sky-sanctuary/ )
[09:42]	starstreak	mjg59_, sounds quite useful
[09:42]	TR News	"The actors concerns highlight a broader anxiety among entertainers and people in many other creative professions." https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/hollywood-actor-sag-aftra-ai-artificial-intelligence-strike-rcna94191 | Source: NBC
[09:42]	TR Bot	 Actors vs. AI: Strike brings focus to emerging use of advanced tech
[09:43]	TR News	"Tracking Down a Suspect through Cell Phone Records" https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2023/07/tracking-down-a-suspect-through-cell-phone-records.html | Source: Bruce Schneier
[09:43]	TR Bot	Down a Suspect through Cell Phone Records - Schneier on Security
[09:44]	TR News	Microsoft full of racists https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1nDiyuA7 seems like the right company to work for if you are overtly racist http://techrights.org/2021/04/04/microsoft-nationalism/
[09:44]	TR Bot	 'Tough to write this with tears in eyes...' - post regarding Microsoft Corp. layoffs
[09:44]	TR Bot	 Microsoft: Nationalism As A Service (NaaS) | Techrights
[09:44]	TR News	"Burner phones" https://edition.cnn.com/2023/07/14/us/gilgo-beach-murders-suspect-arrest/index.html | Source: CNN
[09:44]	TR Bot	 Burner phones. Pizza crust. DNA on burlap. A New York architect was charged with killing 3 women in Gilgo Beach serial killings cold case | CNN
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[09:45]	DaemonFC	mjg59_: You keep saying custom mode, but I haven't seen this in the firmware of any Lenovo laptop.
[09:45]	DaemonFC	Including this one.
[09:45]	TR News	Euro monopoly cops to probe Microsoft for slipping Teams into Office https://www.theregister.com/2023/07/17/eu_regulator_to_next_week/ | Source: The Register UK
[09:45]	TR Bot	 EU to launch formal probe into Microsoft Teams and Office The Register
[09:45]	TR News	"The Competition Appeal Tribunal (CAT) ruled on Monday that the full hearing of Microsoft's appeal, which was due to begin on July 28, should be adjourned." https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/technology/microsoft-granted-two-month-pause-of-uk-appeal-over-activision-deal/articleshow/101837063.cms | Source: India Times
[09:45]	TR Bot	 microsoft: Microsoft granted two-month pause of UK appeal over Activision deal - The Economic Times
[09:47]	TR News	"Rasenberger said the guild is trying to get these companies to settle without suing them." https://text.npr.org/1187523435 | Source: NPR
[09:47]	TR Bot	 Thousands of authors urge AI companies to stop using work without permission
[09:47]	TR News	"The latest legal challenge, presented by lawyers for comedian Sarah Silverman and two additional authors" https://www.businessinsider.com/ai-could-run-out-text-train-chatbots-chatgpt-llm-2023-7 | Source: Business Insider
[09:47]	TR Bot	 AI May Be 'Running Out of Text in the Universe' to Train Chatbots
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[09:56]	TR News	chatcontrol https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&u=https://femtejuli.se/2023/07/17/chatcontrol-vad-hander-nu/
[09:56]	TR Bot	 Chatcontrol: Vad hnder nu?
[09:57]	TR News	ludicrous openwashing https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/funding/open-source-developers-platform-tooljet-raises-funding-from-microsofts-m12-fund-github/articleshow/101822012.cms
[09:57]	TR Bot	 tooljet funding: Open-source developers platform ToolJet raises funding from Microsoft's M12 Fund, GitHub - The Economic Times
[09:59]	TR News	"Open Source Hardware Companies Going Proprietary" https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=23/07/15/2210234
[09:59]	TR Bot	 Open Source Hardware Companies Going Proprietary - SoylentNews
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[09:59]	TR News	"The Perl and Raku Conference 2023" https://www.youtube.com/@YAPCNA/videos
[09:59]	TR Bot	Perl and Raku Conference - YouTube
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[10:00]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: It's a spec term, not a firmware term, most platforms support it in one way or another
[10:00]	schestowitz	yr\ewtu.be is back !!
[10:01]	TR News	"Privacy policy status: Keeping them honest" https://soylentnews.org/~dalek/journal/15251
[10:01]	TR Bot	 Journal of dalek (15489)
[10:02]	DaemonFC	The new casino is hiring. Lots of benefits, including AD&D insurance in case a gelatinous cube shows up and eats everyone.
[10:03]	DaemonFC	(Which would could as an accidental death and dismemberment since you don't intentionally run into these and they do dismember you with digestive acid.
[10:03]	DaemonFC	:)
[10:04]	DaemonFC	mjg59_DaemonFC: It's a spec term, not a firmware term, most platforms support it in one way or another
[10:04]	DaemonFC	So that the user won't find it?
[10:05]	TR News	"fheroes2 continues to improve the classic Heroes of Might and Magic II, with a new release available now with plenty of tweaks and improvements." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2023/07/heroes-of-might-and-magic-ii-game-engine-fheroes2-v106-out-now/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[10:05]	TR Bot	of Might and Magic II game engine fheroes2 v1.0.6 out now | GamingOnLinux
[10:06]	TR News	"Linux Mint 21.2 is out now as the latest distribution built on top of Ubuntu, coming with various careful improvements to the base software included." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2023/07/linux-mint-212-is-out-now-with-app-upgrades-artwork-tweaks-login-improvements/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[10:06]	TR Bot	Mint 21.2 is out now with app upgrades, artwork tweaks, login improvements | GamingOnLinux
[10:06]	TR News	"LEGO Bricktales is a sweet little building adventure from ClockStone and Thunderful Publishing, one with Native Linux support and it's Steam Deck Verified." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2023/07/lego-bricktales-gets-a-free-summer-content-update/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[10:06]	TR Bot	Bricktales gets a free Summer content update | GamingOnLinux
[10:07]	TR News	"Ive been playing through a game called Dave the Diver released on 28 Jun, 2023 from developer MINTROCKET." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2023/07/dave-the-diver-is-a-big-beautiful-blue-gem/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[10:07]	TR Bot	the Diver is a big beautiful blue gem | GamingOnLinux
[10:07]	TR News	"Capcom has now released Exoprimal, an online team-based shooter and thanks to Fanatical, I was able to take a look." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2023/07/exoprimal-from-capcom-tested-on-steam-deck-and-desktop-linux/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[10:07]	TR Bot	from Capcom tested on Steam Deck and desktop Linux | GamingOnLinux
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[10:11]	TR News	Programmer vs System Administrator https://www.tecmint.com/which-career-to-choose-programmer-vs-administrator/ | Source: TecMint
[10:11]	TR Bot	 Which Career to Choose: Programmer Vs System Administrator
[10:12]	schestowitz	DaemonFC: the purpose of 'secure' boot, all along, was to shun GNU/Linux and BSD
[10:13]	schestowitz	That's why drpizza and other crooks of Microsoft helped shore that up
[10:13]	schestowitz	in the media 
[10:13]	schestowitz	the Microsoft Mules CLub
[10:13]	schestowitz	now people realise it's not security
[10:14]	schestowitz	and won't treat its proponent as security people
[10:14]	DaemonFC	mjg59_ went to go use after shave after his very own cheese pizza.
[10:14]	DaemonFC	It didn't end well.
[10:15]	schestowitz	so he has DEBT and still pays lawyers in another continent to taunt a blogger who was right about this all along
[10:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-07-17.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-07-18.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[10:37]	starstreak	<schestowitz> DaemonFC: the purpose of 'secure' boot, all along, was to shun GNU/Linux and BSD
[10:37]	starstreak	except linux boots on secure boot systems
[10:37]	schestowitz	sometimes
[10:37]	schestowitz	it's designed for WINDOWS
[10:37]	schestowitz	this is antitrust violation
[10:38]	schestowitz	but child rapists and such worked to thwart that
[10:38]	schestowitz	for Bill and jeffrey
[10:38]	schestowitz	drpizza, ed baught
[10:38]	schestowitz	etc etc.
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[10:42]	mjg59_	We spent time working with Microsoft to ensure Linux would still be bootable
[10:43]	mjg59_	By 2012 it certainly wasn't designed as a Windows-only thing
[10:45]	starstreak	mjg59_, I can install Fedora without disabling secure boot
[10:45]	TR News	Links 18/07/2023: Akademy 2023 Videos and Debian Brainwashing | Techrights http://techrights.org/2023/07/18/akademy-2023-2/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2023/07/18/akademy-2023-2/
[10:45]	mjg59_	Yeah I made that happen
[10:45]	TR Bot	 Links 18/07/2023: Akademy 2023 Videos and Debian Brainwashing | Techrights
[10:46]	starstreak	but it doesnt fit Roy's narrative that "new thing bad"
[10:46]	mjg59_	It's over a decade old
[10:46]	starstreak	yeah but Roy uses a 486
[10:47]	TR News	 (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/18/Android_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/18/Android_Leftovers.gmi 
[10:47]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Android Leftovers
[10:47]	TR News	 (NEW): Games: Best Steam Deck Games, fheroes2, LEGO Bricktales, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/18/Games_Best_Steam_Deck_Games_fheroes2_LEGO_Bricktales_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/18/Games_Best_Steam_Deck_Games_fheroes2_LEGO_Bricktales_and_More.gmi 
[10:47]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Games: Best Steam Deck Games, fheroes2, LEGO Bricktales, and More
[10:47]	starstreak	"4GB of ram ought to be enough for anyone" -Roy, circa 2019
[10:47]	TR News	 (NEW): Microsoft Monopolies and Abuses http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/18/Microsoft_Monopolies_and_Abuses.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/18/Microsoft_Monopolies_and_Abuses.gmi 
[10:47]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Microsoft Monopolies and Abuses
[10:48]	schestowitz	most of my current machines have 2GB of RAM
[10:48]	schestowitz	that's more than enough
[10:48]	starstreak	lol
[10:49]	TR News	 (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/18/Programming_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/18/Programming_Leftovers.gmi 
[10:49]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
[10:49]	TR News	 (NEW): Open Hardware: Raspberry Pi, ESP32, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/18/Open_Hardware_Raspberry_Pi_ESP32_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/18/Open_Hardware_Raspberry_Pi_ESP32_and_More.gmi 
[10:49]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Open Hardware: Raspberry Pi, ESP32, and More
[10:49]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/18/today_s_leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/18/today_s_leftovers.gmi 
[10:49]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's leftovers
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[10:50]	TR News	How Much Space Is Saved By Using Tabs In Code? gemini://zelena.flounder.online/gemlog/2023-07-17_How_Much_Space_Saved_With_Tabs.gmi
[10:50]	starstreak	"2GB of ram out to be enough for anyone" -Roy, circa 2023
[10:51]	starstreak	"2GB of ram ought to be enough for anyone" -Roy, circa 2023
[10:53]	TR News	Old Computer Challenge 2023 retrospective gemini://carcosa.net/journal/20230717-occ2023-end.gmi
[10:54]	TR News	"It's been a while since I've done something like this. Here's a list of Android apps I use often on my Pixel 4 running GrapheneOS. It's not a complete list at all, instead I've tried to focus on unique apps that you're less likely to have heard of before. Hopefully you find something useful!" gemini://moddedbear.xyz/logs/2023-07-17-whats-on-my-phone.gmi
[10:56]	starstreak	My core2duo laptop from 2007 had 4GB ram
[10:57]	schestowitz	i can buy that
[10:57]	schestowitz	i don't need it
[10:57]	TR News	"Maybe my faculties are failing, but Bubble seems too "link busy" to me. I stare at a page there, and it feels as though I have too much screen scanning to do to accomplish what I want. But I suppose practice would perfect that." gemini://dimension.sh/~textmonger/2023-07-17-04-sliding-under-the-door-before-ew0k-slams-it-temporarily-shut.gmi
[10:58]	TR News	SpellBinding: CELRTUV Wordo: SOLER gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2023-07-18.gmi
[10:58]	starstreak	Does Debian 2.2r7 support that on your Pentium 4?
[10:59]	schestowitz	'virtue-signalling' to capitalism (read: oligarchs) by ridiculing people who don't constantly buy new things is uncool
[10:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 34.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 215.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
● Jul 18
[11:00]	schestowitz	what you tactlessly do it,
[11:00]	schestowitz	is like mocking people who don't but a "sports" car
[11:00]	starstreak	Using a 23 year old computer draws more power than a newer one, harming the environment
[11:00]	schestowitz	with speed they can neither use nor need
[11:00]	schestowitz	because they are practical
[11:00]	schestowitz	and you are being a "masturbating monkey" with some very old "sports" car
[11:01]	schestowitz	lookikg for affirmation
[11:01]	schestowitz	while otehrs get stuff sone
[11:01]	schestowitz	and don't go into debt or pay $5000 repeair bills
[11:01]	schestowitz	no, making a new compuiter takes lots of energy
[11:02]	schestowitz	same issue with EVs
[11:03]	TR News	"Gail Bradbrook, a co-founder of Extinction Rebellion" https://www.desmog.com/2023/07/17/extinction-rebellion-co-founder-goes-on-trial-for-breaking-window/ | Source: DeSmog
[11:03]	TR Bot	Rebellion Co-Founder Goes on Trial for Breaking Window - DeSmog
[11:04]	TR News	location data https://www.techdirt.com/2023/07/17/massachusetts-prepares-to-ban-the-collection-and-abuse-of-cell-phone-location-data/ | Source: Techdirt
[11:04]	TR Bot	Prepares To Ban The Collection And Abuse Of Cell Phone Location Data | Techdirt
[11:04]	TR News	Twitter dead-man walking https://www.techdirt.com/2023/07/17/elon-starts-bribing-his-biggest-fans-as-he-admits-the-company-is-still-burning-cash-despite-his-earlier-claims-to-the-contrary/ | Source: Techdirt
[11:04]	TR Bot	Starts Bribing His Biggest Fans As He Admits The Company Is Still Burning Cash (Despite His Earlier Claims To The Contrary) | Techdirt
[11:04]	starstreak	lol
[11:04]	TR News	"UK-based CDN company DataCamp has failed in its bid to have a $32.5 million lawsuit dismissed in the United States." https://torrentfreak.com/230717/ | Source: Torrent Freak
[11:04]	TR Bot	Court: When IPTV Pirates Reap Profit, CDN Attracts Pirates & Profits * TorrentFreak
[11:05]	starstreak	a computer isn't a car
[11:05]	schestowitz	car analogy
[11:05]	TR News	"A Prague court has ordered Czech file-sharing and hosting site Ulo.to to pay $46,000 in damages to local movie distributor CineMart." https://torrentfreak.com/court-orders-file-sharing-service-to-pay-46000-piracy-damages-for-user-upload-230717/ | Source: Torrent Freak
[11:05]	TR Bot	Orders File-Sharing Service to Pay $46,000 Piracy Damages For User Upload * TorrentFreak
[11:05]	starstreak	car analogies are for boomers
[11:05]	schestowitz	are you licensed to drive?
[11:06]	starstreak	no
[11:06]	schestowitz	"modern" cars are worse than "modern" computers
[11:06]	schestowitz	A computer into which you put your body
[11:07]	starstreak	modern computers are much more capable than old computers
[11:07]	TR News	The Pentagon's Stunning Negligence With Sensitive Email https://thedissenter.org/pentagon-cyber-negligence-sensitive-email-leaks/ | Source: The Dissenter
[11:07]	TR Bot	 Pentagon's Stunning Negligence With Sensitive Email
[11:08]	TR News	"The acquittal sentence makes three important facts clear." https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/07/ecuadors-judicial-system-must-reaffirm-ola-binis-innocence-face-prosecutors-office | Source: EFF
[11:08]	TR Bot	 Ecuador's Judicial System Must Reaffirm Ola Bini's Innocence In the Face of Prosecutor's Office Appeal | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[11:09]	TR News	"" https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/07/eff-poker-tournament-def-con-31 | Source: EFF https://supporters.eff.org/civicrm/event/register?id=401&reset=1
[11:09]	TR Bot	 EFF Poker Tournament at DEF CON 31 | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[11:09]	TR Bot	 Betting on Your Digital Rights: EFF Benefit Poker Tournament II | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[11:12]	TR News	"On Friday, July 14, Amy Goodman moderated a wide-ranging panel on human rights in Venice, Italy, to mark the 75th anniversary of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights." https://www.democracynow.org/2023/7/17/margot_wallstrom_climate_palestine | Source: Democracy Now
[11:12]	TR Bot	 Top U.N. Human Rights Official & Fmr. Swedish FM on Palestine, Sudan & U.S. Cluster Bombs to Ukraine | Democracy Now!
[11:13]	TR News	trademark https://www.techdirt.com/2023/07/17/trader-joes-joins-list-of-companies-combatting-unions-via-trademark-bullying/ | Source: Techdirt
[11:13]	TR Bot	Joes Joins List Of Companies Combatting Unions Via Trademark Bullying | Techdirt
[11:15]	TR News	"The Importance of Independent Media and Critical Media Literacy Education" https://www.projectcensored.org/the-importance-of-independent-media-and-critical-media-literacy-education-in-a-democratic-society/ | Source: Project Censored
[11:15]	TR Bot	reply from server ( status 0 @ https://www.projectcensored.org/the-importance-of-independent-media-and-critical-media-literacy-education-in-a-democratic-society/ )
[11:16]	TR News	"This article will feature senior judges I have blogged about before, and explain how I expect the Assange case will be finally stitched up for extradition." https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2023/07/how-the-establishment-works-part-2/ | Source: Craig Murray
[11:16]	TR Bot	 How the Establishment Works Part 2 - Craig Murray
[11:17]	TR News	"Whole body scans" https://www.respectfulinsolence.com/2023/07/17/whole-body-scans-back-from-the-grave-and-ready-to-party/ |
[11:17]	TR Bot	 "Whole body scans": Back from the grave and ready to party - RESPECTFUL INSOLENCE
[11:17]	TR News	"The standard Raspberry Pi computers have been in short supply for a while now, so much so that people are going to great lengths to find replacements" https://hackaday.com/2023/07/17/adapter-board-expands-the-pi-zero/ | Source: Hackaday
[11:17]	TR Bot	Board Expands The Pi Zero | Hackaday
[11:19]	parsifal	schestovitz: how do you manage to multitask in that scenario with so little ram? (i'm not trying to make fun of you, just ask from curiosity)
[11:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-07-17.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-07-18.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[11:20]	starstreak	he has a beowulf cluster of 8 pentium 4 computers with 2gb ram each
[11:20]	schestowitz	parsifal: the multitasking  makes it easier
[11:21]	schestowitz	because if something takes 5 second to complete you can move to some other task
[11:22]	TR News	"There are a huge number of products available in the modern world that come with network connectivity now" https://hackaday.com/2023/07/17/remote-code-execution-on-an-oscilloscope/ | Source: Hackaday
[11:22]	TR Bot	Code Execution On An Oscilloscope | Hackaday
[11:23]	TR News	GLASNOST Is A Computer That Makes Transparency A Priority https://hackaday.com/2023/07/17/glasnost-is-a-computer-that-makes-transparency-a-priority/ | Source: Hackaday
[11:23]	TR Bot	Is A Computer That Makes Transparency A Priority | Hackaday
[11:24]	parsifal	schestovitz: thanks;)
[11:25]	schestowitz	a good analogy is cooking
[11:25]	schestowitz	a good cook makes several dishes at the same time
[11:25]	schestowitz	and moves between them as they simmer, boil, etc.
[11:26]	starstreak	Roy uses a series of campfires instead of an electric stove
[11:30]	TR News	TikTok SPAM... https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/4a3ny9/viral-tiktok-npc-streamer-pinkydoll-doesnt-care-what-you-think
[11:30]	TR Bot	 Viral TikTok NPC Streamer Pinkydoll Doesn't Care What You Think
[11:31]	TR News	More TikTok trash https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/17/style/pinkydoll-social-media-livestream.html
[11:31]	TR Bot	 PinkyDoll Mesmerized the Internet With Her Imitations of Video Game Characters - The New York Times
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[11:35]	starstreak	parsifal, http://techrights.org/2023/04/10/
[11:35]	TR Bot	 2023 April 10 | Techrights
[11:36]	starstreak	jokes aside, Roy just uses a bunch of old computers at once, so he can offload tasks onto them and each one doesnt need a lot of ram
[11:44]	parsifal	starstreak: i already watched that some time ago, but i don't know how he make use all that, anyway tanks for the link;)
[11:45]	starstreak	ssh -X
[11:46]	starstreak	he likely controls them all from one computer using ssh -X
[11:47]	starstreak	thats why he hates wayland
[11:51]	schestowitz	you don't know what X forwarding doe
[11:51]	schestowitz	*does
[11:51]	schestowitz	and you talk down to people who reject wayland
[11:51]	starstreak	it lets you run X programs remotely
[11:52]	starstreak	so you can run firefox on 5 different computers and use them on one screen
[11:53]	parsifal	starstreak: i also hate with passion that joke for variety of reasons, but not going to explain why, no time for that
● Jul 18
[12:00]	starstreak	what joke?
[12:01]	starstreak	it clearly makes sense, why get a modern computer with 16gb ram when you can just chain 8 old computers together with 2gb of ram each
[12:02]	starstreak	that also means 8 cpus
[12:07]	starstreak	https://gemini.techrights.org:1965/
[12:07]	TR Bot	( status 0 @ https://gemini.techrights.org:1965/ )
[12:07]	TR News	My Report From Akademy 2023 https://ervin.ipsquad.net/blog/2023/07/17/report-from-akademy-2023/
[12:07]	TR Bot	 My Report From Akademy 2023 - ervin
[12:09]	TR News	This is untrue in the UK; number of deaths still vastly above averages. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/17/briefing/covid.html
[12:09]	TR Bot	 A Positive Covid Milestone - The New York Times
[12:17]	TR News	Young Americans blame SCOTUS, GOP for unforgiven student loan debt https://www.axios.com/2023/07/17/young-americans-blame-student-loan-debt-scotus
[12:17]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.axios.com/2023/07/17/young-americans-blame-student-loan-debt-scotus )
[12:17]	TR News	Life is about to get much more expensive for millions of families https://www.axios.com/2023/07/17/student-loans-child-care-medicaid-food-stamps-inflation
[12:17]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.axios.com/2023/07/17/student-loans-child-care-medicaid-food-stamps-inflation )
[12:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-07-17.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-07-18.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[12:26]	TR News	Cluster bombs are a shot in the foot for NATO. How much Ukraine "support" money will be funneled to enrich the pockets of rich warlords who sell illegal weapons? What might that do to public support?
[12:29]	parsifal	starstreak: <starstreak: what joke?> wayland
[12:30]	schestowitz	Windows: Why would you want to do THAT?
[12:30]	schestowitz	Wayland: Why would you want to do THAT?
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[12:33]	TR News	The Kremlins new buyers for Yandex Putins domestic policy czar hopes to engineer a sale that would further consolidate the states control over Russias Internet industry https://meduza.io/en/feature/2023/07/18/the-kremlin-s-new-buyers-for-yandex | Source: Meduza
[12:33]	TR Bot	 The Kremlins new buyers for Yandex Putins domestic policy czar hopes to engineer a sale that would further consolidate the states control over Russias Internet industry Meduza
[12:36]	TR News	Embracing Consolidation and Squashing Silos https://www.securityweek.com/embracing-consolidation-and-squashing-silos/
[12:36]	TR Bot	Consolidation and Squashing Silos - SecurityWeek
[12:36]	TR News	Owner of Cybercrime Website BreachForums Pleads Guilty https://www.securityweek.com/owner-of-cybercrime-website-breachforums-pleads-guilty/
[12:36]	TR Bot	of Cybercrime Website BreachForums Pleads Guilty - SecurityWeek
[12:37]	parsifal	schestovitz: wayland is a beta software with a mass of shortcomings, but i'm not a beta tester, that's all
[12:39]	TR News	They try to twist this as a "linux" issue rather than SOHO issue https://www.techtimes.com/articles/293822/20230714/soho-router-targeting-botnet-avrecon-infiltrates-more-70-000-devices.htm
[12:39]	TR Bot	 SOHO Router-Targeting Botnet AVrecon Infiltrates More Than 70,000 Devices in 20 Countries: How Dangerous Is This Malware Strain? | Tech Times
[12:40]	TR News	What You Need to Know about Open-Source Software Supply Chain Security https://www.linuxsecurity.com/features/features/open-source-software-supply-chain-security
[12:40]	TR Bot	 What You Need to Know about Open-Source Software Supply Chain Secur...
[12:41]	TR News	Ben Hutchings: FOSS activity in June 2023 https://www.decadent.org.uk/ben/blog/foss-activity-in-june-2023.html
[12:41]	TR Bot	 Better living through software - Ben Hutchings's diary of life and technology
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● Jul 18
[13:01]	TR News	MOVEit Hack: Number of Impacted Organizations Exceeds 340 https://www.securityweek.com/moveit-hack-number-of-impacted-organizations-exceeds-340/
[13:01]	TR Bot	Hack: Number of Impacted Organizations Exceeds 340 - SecurityWeek
[13:02]	TR News	Exploitation of ColdFusion Vulnerability Reported as Adobe Patches Another Critical Flaw https://www.securityweek.com/exploitation-of-coldfusion-vulnerability-reported-as-adobe-patches-another-critical-flaw/
[13:02]	TR Bot	of ColdFusion Vulnerability Reported as Adobe Patches Another Critical Flaw - SecurityWeek
[13:05]	TR News	Hong Kong govt watchdog rejects complaint over handling of unexplained media ban at press event https://hongkongfp.com/2023/07/18/hong-kong-govt-watchdog-rejects-hkfp-complaint-over-handling-of-unexplained-media-ban-at-press-event/
[13:05]	TR Bot	 Hong Kong gov't watchdog rejects complaint over handling of unexplained media ban at press event - Hong Kong Free Press HKFP
[13:06]	TR News	"An anonymous but outspoken netizen recently dubbed the Hong Kong police, or perhaps just the national security specialists, our Gestapo-po." https://hongkongfp.com/2023/07/18/complain-about-hong-kong-if-you-must-but-our-plight-has-nothing-to-do-with-german-history/
[13:06]	TR Bot	 Complain about Hong Kong if you must, but our plight has nothing to do with Germanhistory - Hong Kong Free Press HKFP
[13:07]	TR News	Windows TCO https://itwire.com/security/fortescue-metals-admits-it-suffered-breach,-cl0p-claims-credit.html
[13:07]	TR Bot	- Fortescue Metals admits it suffered breach, Cl0p claims credit
[13:08]	TR News	Google virus database VirusTotal leaks subscriber information: report https://itwire.com/security/google-virus-database-virustotal-leaks-subscriber-information-report.html
[13:08]	TR Bot	- Google virus database VirusTotal leaks subscriber information: report
[13:08]	TR News	China launches another online rumor crackdown https://www.jurist.org/news/2023/07/china-launches-another-online-rumor-crackdown/
[13:08]	TR Bot	 China launches another online rumor crackdown - JURIST - News
[13:08]	TR News	How to Install Telegram on Pop!_OS https://www.linuxcapable.com/how-to-install-telegram-on-pop-os/
[13:08]	TR Bot	to Install Telegram on Pop!_OS - LinuxCapable
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[13:10]	TR News	Kiwi TCMS: OffSec has chosen Kiwi TCMS https://kiwitcms.org/blog/malcolm-shore/2023/07/18/offsec-has-chosen-kiwi-tcms/
[13:10]	TR Bot	 Kiwi TCMS - OffSec has chosen Kiwi TCMS
[13:12]	TR News	The Fridge: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 796 https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2023/07/17/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-796/ https://ubuntu-news.org/2023/07/17/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-796/
[13:12]	TR Bot	 Ubuntu Fridge | Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 796
[13:12]	TR Bot	 Ubuntu Fridge | Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 796
[13:12]	TR News	Adding ZONEMD protections to the root zone https://blog.apnic.net/2023/07/18/adding-zonemd-protections-to-the-root-zone/
[13:12]	TR Bot	 Adding ZONEMD protections to the root zone | APNIC Blog
[13:14]	TR News	Bengaluru CEO gets 3000 resumes in two days, expresses concern on Indian job market https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/bengaluru-news/bengaluru-ceo-gets-3000-resumes-in-two-days-expresses-concern-on-indian-job-market-101689672749350.html
[13:14]	TR Bot	 Bengaluru CEO gets 3000 resumes in two days, expresses concern on job market | Bengaluru - Hindustan Times
[13:15]	TR News	3 mins ago: "Time to replace local workforce with imported H1Bs: its the great replacement" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1nAP7aRc#replies
[13:15]	TR Bot	 Microsoft layoffs in Mountain View (California) this week - post regarding Microsoft Corp. layoffs
[13:16]	TR News	"During reorgs and layoffs, usually local workforce loses their jobs while H1Bs keep theirs: its part of the great replacement" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1nzwl2yv#replies
[13:16]	TR Bot	 Satya driving us to new heights. - post regarding Microsoft Corp. layoffs
[13:18]	TR News	Compupter-Generated Misinformation https://www.techtimes.com/articles/293895/20230717/experts-warn-ai-generated-misinformation-2024-election-campaigns.htm
[13:18]	TR Bot	 Experts Warn of AI-Generated Misinformation in 2024 US Election Campaigns | Tech Times
[13:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-07-17.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-07-18.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[13:22]	TR News	Richard Stallman speech to Japanese people 2017 https://yewtu.be/watch?v=93kcPwB1_X0
[13:22]	TR Bot	 RIchard Stallman speech to japanese peolple 2017 - Invidious
[13:23]	TR News	Le logiciel libre face l'informatique (Rennes, 2019) https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Yu2Pqzo0Yc0
[13:23]	TR Bot	 Le logiciel libre face l'informatique (Rennes, 2019) {part 2/2} - Invidious
[13:28]	schestowitz	LOL. more random garbage https://yewtu.be/watch?v=bVlpGzCF3T4
[13:28]	TR Bot	 Linus Torvalds Unconventional Relaxation: Enhancing Performance through Inline Assembly - Invidious
[13:29]	schestowitz	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=jvsFl1nT6yY
[13:29]	TR Bot	 Meet our Members - Nils Torvalds from Finland - Invidious
[13:31]	TR News	Coming
[13:31]	TR News	RedHat Becomes Closed Source (Who Didn't See This Coming?) https://yewtu.be/watch?v=gDRjgymRKBk
[13:31]	TR Bot	 RedHat Becomes Closed Source (Who Didn't See This Coming?) - Invidious
[13:40]	TR News	Linux is a kernel. This page is intentionally misleading. https://www.linux.com/what-is-linux/
[13:40]	TR Bot	is Linux? - Linux.com
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[13:44]	TR News	 (NEW): A declarative approach to Linux networking with Netplan http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/18/A_declarative_approach_to_Linux_networking_with_Netplan.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/18/A_declarative_approach_to_Linux_networking_with_Netplan.gmi 
[13:44]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines A declarative approach to Linux networking with Netplan
[13:44]	TR News	 (UPDATED): After 30 Years, Linux Finally Hits 3% Market Share http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/10/After_30_Years_Linux_Finally_Hits_3_Market_Share.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/10/After_30_Years_Linux_Finally_Hits_3_Market_Share.gmi 
[13:44]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines After 30 Years, Linux Finally Hits 3% Market Share
[13:46]	TR News	Linux has nearly half of the desktop OS Linux market https://www.theregister.com/2023/07/18/linux_desktop_debate/
[13:46]	TR Bot	 Linux has nearly half of the desktop OS Linux market The Register
● Jul 18
[14:08]	TR News	 (NEW): Upgrade to Linux Mint 21.2 from 21.1 [Complete Guide] http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/18/Upgrade_to_Linux_Mint_21_2_from_21_1_Complete_Guide.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/18/Upgrade_to_Linux_Mint_21_2_from_21_1_Complete_Guide.gmi 
[14:08]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Upgrade to Linux Mint 21.2 from 21.1 [Complete Guide]
[14:09]	TR News	 (NEW): Google Chrome 114 Display Broken with Skia, Shader in Linux [Fixed] http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/18/Google_Chrome_114_Display_Broken_with_Skia_Shader_in_Linux_Fixe.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/18/Google_Chrome_114_Display_Broken_with_Skia_Shader_in_Linux_Fixe.gmi 
[14:09]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Google Chrome 114 Display Broken with Skia, Shader in Linux [Fixed]
[14:11]	TR News	"Even the smallest of CubeSats is likely running Linux on a multi-core system." https://hackaday.com/2023/07/17/discussing-the-finer-points-of-space-worthy-software/ | Source: Hackaday
[14:11]	TR Bot	The Finer Points Of Space-Worthy Software | Hackaday
[14:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-07-17.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-07-18.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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● Jul 18
[15:08]	TR News	Fedora Magazine: Packit how to trigger jobs manually https://fedoramagazine.org/packit-how-to-trigger-jobs-manually/
[15:08]	TR Bot	 Packit - how to trigger jobs manually - Fedora Magazine
[15:09]	TR News	How To Install Grub Customizer On Ubuntu 22.04 LTS And Linux Distros https://itsubuntu.com/how-to-install-grub-customizer-on-ubuntu-22-04-lts/
[15:09]	TR Bot	To Install Grub Customizer On Ubuntu 22.04 LTS And Linux Distros | Itsubuntu
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[15:10]	TR News	How To Install Canon Printer Driver In Ubuntu 22.04 LTS https://itsubuntu.com/how-to-install-canon-printer-driver-in-ubuntu-22-04-lts/
[15:10]	TR Bot	To Install Canon Printer Driver In Ubuntu 22.04 LTS | Itsubuntu
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[15:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-07-17.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-07-18.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[15:24]	TR News	"opened my spreadsheet with my finances to try and calculate how long I would have to work to retire at something close to my current standard of living" gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi
[15:24]	TR News	How to compare two directories in Linux terminal https://www.fosslinux.com/121752/how-to-compare-two-directories-in-linux-terminal.htm
[15:24]	TR Bot	 How to Compare Two Directories in Linux Terminal
[15:24]	TR News	How to check your Fedora version via GUI and command Line https://www.fosslinux.com/121978/how-to-check-your-fedora-version-via-gui-and-command-line.htm
[15:24]	TR Bot	 How to Check Your Fedora Version via GUI and Command Line
[15:24]	TR News	How to install missing ifconfig command on Linux https://www.fosslinux.com/121757/how-to-install-missing-ifconfig-command-on-linux.htm
[15:24]	TR Bot	 Ifconfig Not Found? Here's How to Install it on Linux
[15:25]	TR News	How to Install Cockpit on Debian 12/11/10 https://www.linuxcapable.com/how-to-install-cockpit-on-debian-linux/
[15:25]	TR Bot	to Install Cockpit on Debian 12/11/10 - LinuxCapable
[15:25]	TR News	How to find PID and PPID in Linux https://www.fosslinux.com/121769/how-to-find-pid-and-ppid-in-linux.htm
[15:25]	TR Bot	 Unlocking Linux Processes: How to Find PID and PPID
[15:25]	TR News	How to Install Discord on Pop!_OS https://www.linuxcapable.com/how-to-install-discord-on-pop-os/
[15:25]	TR Bot	to Install Discord on Pop!_OS - LinuxCapable
[15:25]	TR News	Linux File Timestamps: How to use atime, mtime, and ctime https://www.fosslinux.com/121740/linux-file-timestamps-how-to-use-atime-mtime-and-ctime.htm
[15:25]	TR Bot	 Linux File Timestamps: How to Use atime, mtime, and ctime
[15:25]	TR News	How to Install 7-Zip on Pop!_OS https://www.linuxcapable.com/how-to-install-7-zip-on-pop-os/
[15:25]	TR Bot	to Install 7-Zip on Pop!_OS - LinuxCapable
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[15:50]	TR News	Installation of Node.js on Linux for Newbies https://linuxtldr.com/installing-node-js/
[15:50]	TR Bot	 Installation of Node.js on Linux for Newbies
[15:51]	TR News	How To Install RubyMine on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS https://idroot.us/install-rubymine-ubuntu-22-04/
[15:51]	TR Bot	 How To Install RubyMine on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS - idroot
[15:51]	TR News	Fix Updating from such a repository cant be done securely Error In Linux https://itsubuntu.com/fix-updating-from-such-a-repository-cant-be-done-securely-error-in-linux/
[15:51]	TR Bot	Updating From Such A Repository Cant Be Done Securely Error In Linux | Itsubuntu
[15:53]	TR News	How to Delete/Disable Swapfile on Ubuntu https://tecadmin.net/disable-swapfile-on-ubuntu/
[15:53]	TR Bot	 How to Delete/Disable Swapfile on Ubuntu TecAdmin
[15:54]	TR News	Destination Linux 332: The Swiss Army Knife of Linux Distros https://destinationlinux.org/episode-332/ https://tuxdigital.com/podcasts/destination-linux/dl-332/
[15:54]	TR Bot	 332: The Swiss Army Knife of Linux Distros - Destination Linux
[15:54]	TR Bot	The Swiss Army Knife of Linux Distros - Destination Linux - TuxDigital
[15:54]	TR News	Late Night Linux Episode 238 https://latenightlinux.com/late-night-linux-episode-238/
[15:54]	TR Bot	 Late Night Linux Episode 238 Late Night Linux
[15:55]	TR News	Using Fallocate command to create specific size files https://www.fosslinux.com/121773/using-fallocate-command-to-create-specific-size-files.htm
[15:55]	TR Bot	 Using Fallocate Command to Create Specific Size Files
[15:57]	TR News	This is a lie from SiliconAngle. And SiliconAngle is taking bribes from Red Hat/IBM. Lies for money, also SPAM for money. https://itwire.com/open-source/biztech-site-claims-red-hat-source-code-move-has-majority-support.html
[15:57]	TR Bot	- Biztech site claims Red Hat source code move has majority support
[15:57]	TR News	8 Best Free and Open Source Linux Desktop Genome Browsers https://www.linuxlinks.com/best-free-linux-desktop-genome-browsers/
[15:57]	TR Bot	Best Free and Open Source Linux Desktop Genome Browsers - LinuxLinks
[15:58]	TR News	How To Install Debian 12 Bookworm https://www.ubuntumint.com/install-debian-12-bookworm/
[15:58]	TR Bot	 The Installation Guide of Debian 12 (Bookworm)
[15:58]	TR News	How to Upgrade From Debian 11 to Debian 12 https://www.ubuntumint.com/upgrade-from-debian-11-to-debian-12/
[15:58]	TR Bot	 How to Upgrade Debian 11 to Debian 12 via CLI
[15:58]	TR News	How to Install Graylog on Ubuntu https://www.ubuntumint.com/install-graylog-ubuntu/
[15:58]	TR Bot	 How to Install and Configure Graylog on Ubuntu
[15:58]	TR News	How to Install Pure-FTPd on Ubuntu https://www.ubuntumint.com/install-pure-ftpd-ubuntu/
[15:58]	TR Bot	 How to Install and Configure Pure-FTPd Server on Ubuntu
[15:59]	TR News	How to Install VNC Server on Ubuntu https://www.ubuntumint.com/install-vnc-server-ubuntu/
[15:59]	TR Bot	 How to Install and Configure VNC on Ubuntu
[15:59]	TR News	Shirish Agarwal: WordPress Cookies, Debdelta, RISC, Manipur, Libraries in Kerala. https://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/2023/07/17/wordpress-cookies-debdelta-risc-manipur-libraries-in-kerala/
[15:59]	TR Bot	 Wordpress Cookies, Debdelta, RISC, Manipur, Libraries in Kerala. Experiences in the community
● Jul 18
[16:00]	TR News	For the First Time, Linux Crosses 40% Market Share in France (Well, GNU/Linux and Android) http://techrights.org/2023/07/17/gnu-linux-and-android-in-france/
[16:00]	TR Bot	 For the First Time, Linux Crosses 40% Market Share in France (Well, GNU/Linux and Android) | Techrights
[16:01]	TR News	Linux Foundation Probably Reads Techrights Closely http://techrights.org/2023/07/17/lf-probably-reads-techrights/
[16:01]	TR Bot	 Linux Foundation Probably Reads Techrights Closely | Techrights
[16:02]	TR News	AlmaLinux Will No Longer Aim for 1:1 RHEL Compatibility http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/AlmaLinux-Will-No-Longer-Aim-for-1-1-RHEL-Compatibility
[16:02]	TR Bot	timed out after 10001 milliseconds with 0 out of 0 bytes received ( status 0 @ https://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/AlmaLinux-Will-No-Longer-Aim-for-1-1-RHEL-Compatibility )
[16:02]	TR News	MakuluLinux 4K Text to Image Generator ! http://www.makululinux.com/wp/2023/07/18/makululinux-4k-text-to-image-generator/
[16:02]	TR Bot	4K Text to Image Generator ! MakuluLinux
[16:03]	TR News	Exploring Information Gathering with Maltego: A Comprehensive Guide https://www.cyberpratibha.com/information-gathering-with-maltego/
[16:03]	TR Bot	 Exploring Information Gathering with Maltego: A Comprehensive Guide
[16:03]	TR News	Step-by-Step Guide Installing openSUSE Leap on your virtualized environment https://www.suse.com/c/step-by-step-guide-installing-opensuse-leap-on-your-virtualized-environment/
[16:03]	TR Bot	Guide Installing openSUSE Leap on your virtualized environment | SUSE Communities
[16:04]	TR News	Kali Linux and Man-in-the-Middle Attacks: Empowering Ethical Hackers https://www.cyberpratibha.com/kali-linux-man-in-the-middle-attack-tutorial/
[16:04]	TR Bot	 Kali Linux and Man-in-the-Middle Attacks: Empowering Ethical Hackers
[16:04]	TR News	New tuning guide: Optimizing Linux for AMD EPYC 9004 Series Processors https://www.suse.com/c/new-tuning-guide-optimizing-linux-for-amd-epyc-9004-series-processors/
[16:04]	TR Bot	tuning guide: Optimizing Linux for AMD EPYC 9004 Series Processors | SUSE Communities
[16:05]	TR News	Sparky 2023.07 https://sparkylinux.org/sparky-2023-07/
[16:05]	TR Bot	 Sparky 2023.07 SparkyLinux
[16:05]	TR News	I'm moving my projects off GitHub | nicole@web https://ntietz.com/blog/moving-off-github/ Source: Nicholas Tietz-Sokolsky | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//ntietz.com/blog/moving-off-github/
[16:05]	TR Bot	 I'm moving my projects off GitHub | nicole@web
[16:11]	TR News	Linux Mint 21.2 Victoria Released in All Three Flavors https://fossforce.com/2023/07/linux-mint-21-2-victoria-released-in-all-three-flavors/
[16:11]	TR Bot	 Linux Mint 21.2 'Victoria' Released in All Three Flavors - FOSS Force
[16:15]	TR News	New Containers and VMs sub-category in forum https://bkhome.org/news/202307/new-containers-and-vms-sub-category-in-forum.html
[16:15]	TR Bot	 New Containers and VMs sub-category in forum
[16:16]	TR News	ONS still shows about 10% rise in mortality in the UK after the pandemic 'ended'
[16:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-07-17.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-07-18.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[16:21]	TR News	 (NEW): GIMP Dev Release Completes GTK3 Port, Adds Headerbar Option http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/18/GIMP_Dev_Release_Completes_GTK3_Port_Adds_Headerbar_Option.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/18/GIMP_Dev_Release_Completes_GTK3_Port_Adds_Headerbar_Option.gmi 
[16:22]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines GIMP Dev Release Completes GTK3 Port, Adds Headerbar Option
[16:22]	TR News	 (NEW): Blender 3.6.1 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/18/Blender_3_6_1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/18/Blender_3_6_1.gmi 
[16:22]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Blender 3.6.1
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[16:22]	TR News	 (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/18/Android_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/18/Android_Leftovers.1.gmi 
[16:22]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Android Leftovers
[16:39]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/18/today_s_howtos.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/18/today_s_howtos.gmi 
[16:39]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
[16:40]	TR News	 (NEW): NVIDIA 535.86.05 Linux Graphics Driver Improves Wayland Support, Fixes Bugs http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/18/NVIDIA_535_86_05_Linux_Graphics_Driver_Improves_Wayland_Support.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/18/NVIDIA_535_86_05_Linux_Graphics_Driver_Improves_Wayland_Support.gmi 
[16:40]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines NVIDIA 535.86.05 Linux Graphics Driver Improves Wayland Support, Fixes Bugs
[16:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 34.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 215.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
● Jul 18
[17:04]	TR News	SiliconANGLE/theCUBE takes BRIBES from Microsoft and it shows. Propaganda machine disguised as "news" site and "analysis" https://siliconangle.com/2023/07/17/uk-court-gives-microsoft-time-negotiate-cma-69b-activision-blizzard-acquisition/ https://siliconangle.com/2023/07/17/on-thecube-pod-lina-khans-latest-miss-with-the-ftc-and-an-eye-towards-supercloud-3-thecubepod/
[17:04]	TR Bot	court gives Microsoft more time to negotiate with CMA over $69B Activision Blizzard acquisition - SiliconANGLE
[17:04]	TR Bot	theCUBE Pod: Lina Khans latest miss with the FTC and an eye toward Supercloud 3 - SiliconANGLE
[17:05]	TR News	Microsoft Layoffs Still Ongoing, This Wave Did Not End http://techrights.org/2023/07/17/microsoft-layoffs-still-ongoing/
[17:05]	TR Bot	 Microsoft Layoffs Still Ongoing, This Wave Did Not End | Techrights
[17:17]	TR News	 (NEW): Security Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/18/Security_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/18/Security_Leftovers.1.gmi 
[17:17]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Security Leftovers
[17:17]	TR News	 (NEW): Multimedia/Shows: MakuluLinux, Destination Linux, and Late Night Linux http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/18/Multimedia_Shows_MakuluLinux_Destination_Linux_and_Late_Night_L.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/07/18/Multimedia_Shows_MakuluLinux_Destination_Linux_and_Late_Night_L.gmi 
[17:17]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Multimedia/Shows: MakuluLinux, Destination Linux, and Late Night Linux
[17:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-07-17.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-07-18.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[17:27]	TR News	[Meme] German Efficiency | Techrights http://techrights.org/2023/07/18/epo-german-efficiency/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2023/07/18/epo-german-efficiency/
[17:27]	TR Bot	 [Meme] German Efficiency | Techrights
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[17:43]	TR News	It Might Be Too Late for the German Government to Fix the EPO (It Had a Lot to Do With This Current Mess) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2023/07/18/fixing-the-epo-2023/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2023/07/18/fixing-the-epo-2023/
[17:43]	TR Bot	 It Might Be Too Late for the German Government to Fix the EPO (It Had a Lot to Do With This Current Mess) | Techrights
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[17:49]	TR News	Meson 1.2 https://mesonbuild.com/Release-notes-for-1-2-0.html
[17:49]	TR Bot	 Release 1.2.0
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[18:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-07-17.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-07-18.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[18:27]	AdmFubar	https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-exchange-online-hit-by-new-outage-blocking-emails/
[18:27]	TR Bot	 Microsoft Exchange Online hit by new outage blocking emails
[18:29]	bnchs	lol
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● Jul 18
[19:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-07-17.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-07-18.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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● Jul 18
[20:01]	AdmFubar	https://arstechnica.com/?p=1954671
[20:01]	TR Bot	 Typo leaks millions of US military emails to Mali web operator | Ars Technica
[20:07]	bnchs	>typing .ml instead of .mil
[20:07]	immibis	lemmy.mil
[20:07]	AdmFubar	dammed metric system!! :P
[20:08]	AdmFubar	https://www.darkreading.com/remote-workforce/hacker-infected-foiled-by-own-infostealer
[20:08]	TR Bot	 Hacker Infected & Foiled by Own Infostealer
[20:08]	AdmFubar	all computers really do is let you make more accurate mistakes
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[20:11]	AdmFubar	https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/amazon-lays-off-more-people-and-inadvertently-unveils-new-strategy-to-mass-fire-employees-12882372.html
[20:11]	TR Bot	 Amazon lays off more people and inadvertently unveils new strategy to mass fire employees
[20:11]	AdmFubar	https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/ai-chatbots-can-manipulate-and-crash-the-stock-market-irreparably-says-a-worried-us-sec-12881062.html
[20:11]	TR Bot	 AI chatbots can manipulate and crash the stock market irreparably, says a worried US SEC
[20:12]	bnchs	who the fuck is USING ai chatbos for financial advice
[20:13]	immibis	everyone
[20:14]	AdmFubar	is this from futurama?  https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/un-warns-that-neuralink-like-ai-brain-implants-can-read-your-thoughts-alter-how-you-think-12876972.html
[20:14]	TR Bot	 Brain-o-Scope: UN warns Neuralink-like AI-brain implants will hack your head
[20:14]	immibis	everyone is using them for everything. the entire economy is fake
[20:15]	immibis	i'm not going to invest based on whatever ChatGPT is telling people to do, but if you did, and you did it fast, you might successfully take money from idiots
[20:15]	immibis	like if you said that oh, ChatGPT says tesla and nvidia are good stocks, and you completely ignored all the actual numbers, and you bought tesla and nvidia a couple months ago... you would've doubled your money
[20:16]	immibis	by the way all this stuff they're worried about is already happening, it just doesn't speak english so they ignore it
[20:16]	AdmFubar	https://freespeech.com/2023/07/17/millions-of-sensitive-us-military-emails-misdirected-to-mali-despite-2014-warning-from-me/
[20:16]	TR Bot	Of Sensitive US Military Emails Misdirected To Mali, Despite 2014 Warning From Me FreeSpeech.com
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[20:17]	immibis	not sure i should trust any site calling itself freespeech.com
[20:19]	AdmFubar	trust it with what?
[20:19]	AdmFubar	https://www.ghacks.net/2023/07/18/rekor-ai-drug-bust/
[20:19]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.ghacks.net/2023/07/18/rekor-ai-drug-bust/ )
[20:19]	AdmFubar	https://www.ghacks.net/2023/07/18/you-may-deactivate-anyones-whatsapp-account-with-a-simple-email/
[20:19]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.ghacks.net/2023/07/18/you-may-deactivate-anyones-whatsapp-account-with-a-simple-email/ )
[20:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-07-17.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-07-18.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[21:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-07-17.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-07-18.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[21:46]	MinceR	18 110021 < mjg59_> DaemonFC: It's a spec term, not a firmware term, most platforms support it in one way or another
[21:46]	MinceR	the point is to make it difficult and different on every piece of hardware
[21:46]	MinceR	to ensure that MICROS~1 and crApple don't have to compete on a fair footing
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[22:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-07-17.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-07-18.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[23:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-07-17.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-07-18.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[23:43]	MinceR	https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/flourishing
[23:43]	TR Bot	 Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Flourishing
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