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| schestowitz | XFaCE: happy returns | Sep 18 02:06 |
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| XFaCE | :) | Sep 18 02:06 |
| schestowitz | sorry I could not reply earlier | Sep 18 02:18 |
| schestowitz | I was asleep and also yesterday was hectic | Sep 18 02:18 |
| schestowitz | the RMS thing mostly to blame | Sep 18 02:18 |
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| XFaCE | schestowitz: understandable | Sep 18 02:47 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128122#comment-21707 | Sep 18 02:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Stallman Under Fire for Views on Epstein | Tux Machines | Sep 18 02:47 | |
| schestowitz | taking stock of reactions | Sep 18 02:47 |
| XFaCE | Was it ever explained what his meeting with Microsoft was about? | Sep 18 02:49 |
| schestowitz | no | Sep 18 02:50 |
| schestowitz | because this got in the way | Sep 18 02:50 |
| schestowitz | he told me he worked on an article | Sep 18 02:50 |
| schestowitz | and then the storm started | Sep 18 02:50 |
| schestowitz | I told him it was likely a good distraction from the Gates-MIT scandal | Sep 18 02:50 |
| scientes | uggh gaurdian is horrible | Sep 18 02:52 |
| scientes | " refuse tech billionaires money" | Sep 18 02:52 |
| schestowitz | guardian is bribed by gates | Sep 18 02:53 |
| schestowitz | endless hypocrisy there | Sep 18 02:53 |
| schestowitz | blasting MIT for reputation lendering | Sep 18 02:53 |
| schestowitz | while doing that itsel | Sep 18 02:53 |
| scientes | Jacob Appaulbaun also calls them out | Sep 18 02:53 |
| schestowitz | for gates and Microsoft | Sep 18 02:53 |
| schestowitz | yup, he did | Sep 18 02:54 |
| schestowitz | they call him activists | Sep 18 02:54 |
| scientes | before going quite quiet | Sep 18 02:54 |
| schestowitz | as if you need to work for mi5 to be called "journalist" | Sep 18 02:54 |
| XFaCE | scientes: Jacob emerged from his exile? | Sep 18 02:54 |
| scientes | he hasn't said much after that Guardian video | Sep 18 02:56 |
| scientes | quite quiet | Sep 18 02:56 |
| XFaCE | Guardian video? | Sep 18 02:56 |
| scientes | where he calls them horrible people | Sep 18 02:57 |
| scientes | for throwing him under a bus | Sep 18 02:57 |
| XFaCE | When was that? | Sep 18 02:57 |
| scientes | and damaging their sources | Sep 18 02:57 |
| scientes | years ago | Sep 18 02:57 |
| XFaCE | Oh | Sep 18 02:57 |
| XFaCE | I misunderstood what you were referring to | Sep 18 02:57 |
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| r_schestowitz | Skips the part about it having to be installed in the first place (not the fault of Linux) https://thenextweb.com/hardfork/2019/09/16/cryptocurrency-mining-malware-linux-trend-micro-skidmap-backdoor/ | Sep 18 04:22 |
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| MinceR | XRevan86: they'd ask which one it is. but the url suggests it actually redirects to a debian server, so debian people are more relevant :> | Sep 18 06:42 |
| r_schestowitz | RMS reponded to me | Sep 18 06:52 |
| r_schestowitz | Richard Stallman wrote on 18/09/2019 06:44:> > As a side note, it seems like media tries to shift attention away from | Sep 18 06:52 |
| r_schestowitz | > > Bill Gates' MIT scandal by talking about you: | Sep 18 06:52 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Sep 18 06:52 |
| r_schestowitz | > It does not surprise me. Gates has more influence. | Sep 18 06:52 |
| r_schestowitz | History is on your side however. Don't let recent developments discourage you. | Sep 18 06:52 |
| r_schestowitz | > I think I will post the Microsoft talk article today or tomorrow. | Sep 18 06:52 |
| r_schestowitz | Thank you. This will help shift the discussion back to facts, not gossip and misinformation. | Sep 18 06:52 |
| r_schestowitz | PS - I spent all day yesterday, 3am until 8pm, tackling misinformation related to these accusations. I think I did a decent job overall and reached hundreds of thousands of people. It very much upsets me to see this; they did something similar to Jake Appelbaum. One day similar tactics could be used against me. Or anyone... | Sep 18 06:52 |
| MinceR | does history matter if humans exterminate themselves? | Sep 18 06:53 |
| MinceR | also, these tactics will keep working as long as the general public sides with the SJWs | Sep 18 06:53 |
| r_schestowitz | >>> I had underestimated the level of disinformation (lies actually) against | Sep 18 07:05 |
| r_schestowitz | >>> RMS in the mainstream media. | Sep 18 07:05 |
| r_schestowitz | >>> | Sep 18 07:05 |
| r_schestowitz | >>> IRC might be interested in this, leave a comment even if not logged in: | Sep 18 07:05 |
| r_schestowitz | >>> | Sep 18 07:05 |
| r_schestowitz | >>> https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=19/09/17/0256201 | Sep 18 07:05 |
| r_schestowitz | >> I left an anon comment | Sep 18 07:05 |
| r_schestowitz | >> | Sep 18 07:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | Richard M. Stallman Resigns - SoylentNews | Sep 18 07:05 | |
| r_schestowitz | > It is important that microsofters not be allowed to derail or take over | Sep 18 07:05 |
| r_schestowitz | > the Free Software movement, even if they might enlist blue or pink hair | Sep 18 07:05 |
| r_schestowitz | > to do so. | Sep 18 07:05 |
| r_schestowitz | >> Cheers | Sep 18 07:07 |
| r_schestowitz | > more than anything, im surprised the board took so little time with this decision. it was barely long enough to sneeze. | Sep 18 07:07 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Sep 18 07:07 |
| r_schestowitz | > catch your breath, take the timeout you need, and get back in the game. dont take too long, he needs us this week just as much as next week. | Sep 18 07:07 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Sep 18 07:07 |
| r_schestowitz | > we need his email address (rms@whatnow?) as we can send him good wishes. | Sep 18 07:07 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Sep 18 07:07 |
| r_schestowitz | > autistic people are statistically more likely to fall apart from things like this. there was no consolation, no remaining on the board as he ought to, no mitigation. this is just shit. but we need to be strong right now, this is the time for strength and to be there for a friend. | Sep 18 07:07 |
| r_schestowitz | RMS has just written to me from his usual email address. See my latest dents. | Sep 18 07:07 |
| r_schestowitz | > what on earth did he say about assange? | Sep 18 07:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Sep 18 07:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > clearly you support assange (or seem to) why doesnt stallman? | Sep 18 07:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Sep 18 07:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > what about snowden? | Sep 18 07:08 |
| r_schestowitz | It's something about Assange "helping Trump" | Sep 18 07:08 |
| r_schestowitz | RMS read too much 'guardian'.. | Sep 18 07:08 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19072560 | Sep 18 07:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Sep 18 07:09 | |
| r_schestowitz | MinceR: indeed | Sep 18 07:10 |
| r_schestowitz | but let's try a different approach | Sep 18 07:10 |
| MinceR | also, i'm worried that such events will win more people for the neofascist side | Sep 18 07:12 |
| r_schestowitz | the RMS thing? | Sep 18 07:13 |
| r_schestowitz | It surely won't help feminism | Sep 18 07:13 |
| r_schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/09/16/stallman-removed/#comments | Sep 18 07:16 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 18 07:16 |
| r_schestowitz | Remember Eich's issue? When I showed it to my left-wing non-tech friends, they mostly smiled. They didn't valued the role of Mozilla in the IT world (as they know little about both), and focused on Eich's stain: "his bad, he should've know what he was doing". | Sep 18 07:16 |
| r_schestowitz | I could write a lot of things, but I will not. Partly because I'm frankly depressed by the whole thing, and so I lack the energies. But there's one thing I'd like to take out of my chest right now: It's a terrible day, and I'm so, SO afraid by this. | Sep 18 07:16 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 18 07:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | As Richard Stallman Resigns Let’s Consider Why GNU/Linux Without Stallman and Torvalds Would be a Victory to Microsoft | Techrights | Sep 18 07:16 | |
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| kaniini | "enlist blue or pink hair to do so" | Sep 18 07:34 |
| kaniini | what is meant by this | Sep 18 07:35 |
| anthk_ | Hello, here is the new head from the FSF using Google Maps, and this is Jackass http://gallery.wjsullivan.net/v/public/East+Boston_+Boston_+MA+to+Sullivan+Square+-+Google+Maps+-+Chromium_002.png.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=1 | Sep 18 07:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gallery.wjsullivan.net | So that's how you get there | Sep 18 07:37 | |
| r_schestowitz | kaniini: ask the person... | Sep 18 07:38 |
| r_schestowitz | I am guessing that alludes to people being disguised with social causes for the purpose of advancing a corporate agenda | Sep 18 07:39 |
| kaniini | no | Sep 18 07:39 |
| r_schestowitz | maybe I didn't understand the meaning | Sep 18 07:39 |
| kaniini | i understand that many people here are upset that RMS was fired | Sep 18 07:39 |
| kaniini | but we must be certain not to allow this incident to play into the neofascist agenda | Sep 18 07:40 |
| r_schestowitz | anthk_: it just boils down to convenience | Sep 18 07:40 |
| kaniini | which may or may not have corporate alliance, i don't know | Sep 18 07:40 |
| r_schestowitz | I don't think we need to pick on him | Sep 18 07:40 |
| r_schestowitz | he's actually one of the closer to RMS people. | Sep 18 07:40 |
| r_schestowitz | kaniini: yes, I put quotes around that | Sep 18 07:41 |
| anthk_ | another Spanish saying: en casa del herrero, cuchillo de palo | Sep 18 07:41 |
| anthk_ | at smith's home, wooden knife | Sep 18 07:41 |
| r_schestowitz | the person who sent it is sort of liberal leaning | Sep 18 07:41 |
| kaniini | well, RMS, like everyone, is flawed -- and while there are clickbait articles that misrepresent what he wrote to CSAIL list (i have the entire thread and have read it multiple times now) | Sep 18 07:41 |
| danielinux | I'd suggest we should just ignore the fact from now on, take the focus away from RMS, and talk about the future of the movement, the foundation, etc. | Sep 18 07:41 |
| r_schestowitz | kaniini: it's not good | Sep 18 07:41 |
| r_schestowitz | not much to defend in it | Sep 18 07:41 |
| kaniini | yes, the e-mail is highly unfortunate | Sep 18 07:42 |
| anthk_ | if you are from the FSF you have lots of alternatives to gmaps, FFS | Sep 18 07:42 |
| r_schestowitz | but the media did take it out of context, esp. in headlines, and that causes communal shame | Sep 18 07:42 |
| kaniini | yes, i agree that the media leveraged it for clickbait | Sep 18 07:42 |
| r_schestowitz | see Michael Meeks | Sep 18 07:42 |
| kaniini | but, it is important to understand | Sep 18 07:42 |
| r_schestowitz | he wrote a decent rebuttal | Sep 18 07:42 |
| kaniini | there is a lot of fatigue at FSF | Sep 18 07:42 |
| r_schestowitz | for ages | Sep 18 07:42 |
| kaniini | with having to explain these things | Sep 18 07:42 |
| r_schestowitz | since Peter Brown left if not earlier | Sep 18 07:42 |
| kaniini | and also with certain decisions made by RMS as the head of FSF | Sep 18 07:42 |
| anthk_ | this guy should be the sucessor | Sep 18 07:43 |
| anthk_ | https://jxself.org/archive.shtml | Sep 18 07:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jxself.org | Archive | Sep 18 07:43 | |
| kaniini | but yes, RMS was done dirty by the media | Sep 18 07:43 |
| r_schestowitz | maybe Bruce Perens | Sep 18 07:43 |
| danielinux | keeping the discussion on RMS is not good for anyone, and it's already harming the reputation of many, e.g. techrights. You know you cannot win, you should not insist on defending the man. | Sep 18 07:43 |
| r_schestowitz | yes, exactly | Sep 18 07:43 |
| anthk_ | jxself is the linux libre backer, among lots of projects | Sep 18 07:43 |
| kaniini | it's complicated | Sep 18 07:43 |
| anthk_ | he is the one who took RMS's "token" really well | Sep 18 07:43 |
| r_schestowitz | danielinux: I said I would not write about it anymore | Sep 18 07:43 |
| r_schestowitz | if I said something in social control media, that's me alone | Sep 18 07:44 |
| kaniini | it's also frustrating to read about alleged microsoft conspiracy theories intersecting LGBTQIA folks (which is what "blue and pink hair people" is referring to) | Sep 18 07:44 |
| r_schestowitz | I have something about patents on the way, about 3 articles, once I split them suitably | Sep 18 07:44 |
| r_schestowitz | kaniini: well, I cited the OSI thing | Sep 18 07:44 |
| r_schestowitz | some in OSI tried to frame my critique as sexist | Sep 18 07:45 |
| r_schestowitz | even though I never named a person or gender | Sep 18 07:45 |
| kaniini | i think you should say what you need to say | Sep 18 07:45 |
| r_schestowitz | at the end that person left their Board | Sep 18 07:45 |
| kaniini | it's just frustrating and disappointing | Sep 18 07:45 |
| kaniini | that we are turning on each other | Sep 18 07:45 |
| kaniini | instead of figuring out how to move forward | Sep 18 07:45 |
| r_schestowitz | it's nothing news, it's the OSS/FS thing | Sep 18 07:45 |
| r_schestowitz | the goals differ somewhat | Sep 18 07:45 |
| r_schestowitz | if someone wants to make "cheap code" for FB, I'm not a fan | Sep 18 07:46 |
| r_schestowitz | or make "Linux" for Azure | Sep 18 07:46 |
| r_schestowitz | we just made commodity platforms for bad agenda and rigid programs | Sep 18 07:46 |
| kaniini | i'm here for software freedom, always have been | Sep 18 07:46 |
| r_schestowitz | that harm us | Sep 18 07:46 |
| r_schestowitz | I know | Sep 18 07:46 |
| r_schestowitz | People like Mac Asay, for instance, are in it for AWS | Sep 18 07:46 |
| r_schestowitz | Or Adobe | Sep 18 07:46 |
| r_schestowitz | or whoever pays his agenda to move off copyleft | Sep 18 07:46 |
| kaniini | Matt Lee has plenty of reason to be upset with RMS fwiw | Sep 18 07:47 |
| r_schestowitz | and those are a threat to the very goal set forth by GNU | Sep 18 07:47 |
| r_schestowitz | Black Duck, Skyn, Zemlin/LF | Sep 18 07:47 |
| kaniini | the FSF promised to take projects like GNU.io (which brought us GNU Social) seriously | Sep 18 07:47 |
| kaniini | but they never gave him the support promised | Sep 18 07:47 |
| kaniini | which is why Pleroma is it's own thing | Sep 18 07:47 |
| r_schestowitz | kaniini: you said that yesterday, but I don't know the context. I just know he said he had quit all GNU-related things | Sep 18 07:47 |
| kaniini | mattl wanted us to develop Pleroma under FSF umbrella | Sep 18 07:47 |
| r_schestowitz | Oh, I see | Sep 18 07:48 |
| r_schestowitz | I was the most active user in identi.ca | Sep 18 07:48 |
| kaniini | we said no, because FSF did not support GNU Social in the way that is necessary to build this | Sep 18 07:48 |
| r_schestowitz | statusnet | Sep 18 07:48 |
| kaniini | it is similar with Mastodon btw | Sep 18 07:48 |
| kaniini | Mastodon devs turned Matt down, for the same reason | Sep 18 07:48 |
| kaniini | if you have to bootstrap an entire community infrastructure from scratch by yourself, why develop under FSF? | Sep 18 07:49 |
| kaniini | so, Matt has legitimate reasons to be mad at RMS | Sep 18 07:49 |
| r_schestowitz | I always wondered why Pleroma is modeled like statusnet | Sep 18 07:49 |
| r_schestowitz | FSF is an 80s thing | Sep 18 07:49 |
| r_schestowitz | people can federate now | Sep 18 07:49 |
| r_schestowitz | no need for github and savannas | Sep 18 07:50 |
| kaniini | Pleroma's default UI is modelled after StatusNet (well Qvitter) because it started as a rewrite of GNU Social ;) | Sep 18 07:50 |
| kaniini | yes | Sep 18 07:50 |
| r_schestowitz | aha | Sep 18 07:50 |
| anthk_ | pleroma's amazing, it has even a gopher interface | Sep 18 07:50 |
| anthk_ | useless, but it looks supportive | Sep 18 07:50 |
| r_schestowitz | well, I use that always since earlier this year, when the notification area became usable enough | Sep 18 07:50 |
| kaniini | FSF need to make a pivot to working on the current areas where software freedom is eroded | Sep 18 07:51 |
| r_schestowitz | lain wrote the gopher thing iirc | Sep 18 07:51 |
| anthk_ | on fsf, the sw page from savanah is chaos | Sep 18 07:51 |
| anthk_ | inb4, I read some gopher sites at SDF | Sep 18 07:51 |
| r_schestowitz | kaniini: they're years behind, they haven't kept up with threats | Sep 18 07:51 |
| kaniini | yes | Sep 18 07:51 |
| kaniini | this is what i mean | Sep 18 07:51 |
| kaniini | why is this? | Sep 18 07:51 |
| r_schestowitz | they never even wrote about this listening devices ("smart" "assistant") crap | Sep 18 07:51 |
| kaniini | morale is low at FSF, because RMS wanted to push a specific set of goals | Sep 18 07:51 |
| kaniini | GNUStep, DotGNU, GNU.io, Libreboot | Sep 18 07:52 |
| anthk_ | RMS was wrong on TCL for example, against scheme | Sep 18 07:52 |
| r_schestowitz | they keep advertising job openings -- a sign of departures | Sep 18 07:52 |
| kaniini | all victims of bad management of GNU by the FSF | Sep 18 07:52 |
| kaniini | the buck stops with RMS | Sep 18 07:52 |
| kaniini | or it did | Sep 18 07:52 |
| r_schestowitz | dotgnu helps MSFT APIs | Sep 18 07:52 |
| r_schestowitz | So I don't oppose opposition to that | Sep 18 07:52 |
| kaniini | if DotGNU was not killed by FSF, Miguel de Icaza would be unemployed | Sep 18 07:53 |
| kaniini | gotta keep your eye on the ball | Sep 18 07:53 |
| r_schestowitz | Techrights wrote a lot about it a decade+ ago | Sep 18 07:53 |
| r_schestowitz | RMS took lots of flak for opposing mono | Sep 18 07:53 |
| anthk_ | gnustep well, if it wasn't for gnome | Sep 18 07:53 |
| anthk_ | gnustep would be the GNU DE against KDE | Sep 18 07:53 |
| r_schestowitz | Miguel would not be unemployed, Microsoft's door was always open to him | Sep 18 07:53 |
| kaniini | gnustep killed as well | Sep 18 07:53 |
| kaniini | r_schestowitz: yes, but Mono would not be a thing | Sep 18 07:54 |
| anthk_ | and ok, Apple would be both a rival and an odd alley | Sep 18 07:54 |
| anthk_ | *ally | Sep 18 07:54 |
| r_schestowitz | mono is not a thing | Sep 18 07:54 |
| r_schestowitz | not on gnu/linux anyway | Sep 18 07:54 |
| r_schestowitz | unity(3d, formerly) uses it | Sep 18 07:54 |
| anthk_ | mono is used on a lot of propietary stuff | Sep 18 07:54 |
| anthk_ | yep | Sep 18 07:54 |
| r_schestowitz | it was prevalent on gnu/linux desktops until about 2011 | Sep 18 07:54 |
| anthk_ | well, I play prop games sometimes, but emulated | Sep 18 07:54 |
| r_schestowitz | we scuttled that contagious virus | Sep 18 07:55 |
| r_schestowitz | where's tomboy today? | Sep 18 07:55 |
| anthk_ | if someone can scape a confined Z-machine, give him a medal | Sep 18 07:55 |
| r_schestowitz | f-0spot | Sep 18 07:55 |
| r_schestowitz | fspot | Sep 18 07:55 |
| r_schestowitz | pinta... | Sep 18 07:55 |
| r_schestowitz | nowhere, obsolete code | Sep 18 07:55 |
| kaniini | yes mono is dead now | Sep 18 07:55 |
| kaniini | but mono would never have been a thing | Sep 18 07:55 |
| r_schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Mono_Applications | Sep 18 07:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mono Applications - Techrights | Sep 18 07:55 | |
| kaniini | and FSF would have been able to fuck with MSFT at OASIS | Sep 18 07:56 |
| kaniini | dotGNU had a seat on the committee standardizing MSIL | Sep 18 07:56 |
| r_schestowitz | it's not dead per se, but for servers and desktops with gnu and linux it's not a major thing and it lost momentum among devs | Sep 18 07:56 |
| r_schestowitz | This one is dead and rusty http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Moonlight | Sep 18 07:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Moonlight - Techrights | Sep 18 07:56 | |
| kaniini | anyway, my point is | Sep 18 07:56 |
| kaniini | FSF has an opportunity to do something new | Sep 18 07:57 |
| r_schestowitz | surely | Sep 18 07:57 |
| r_schestowitz | but will people follow? | Sep 18 07:57 |
| kaniini | who knows | Sep 18 07:57 |
| r_schestowitz | OSI is almost without following | Sep 18 07:57 |
| kaniini | i'd sure love to have them in the fight again | Sep 18 07:57 |
| r_schestowitz | it's perceived as having little to offer, not even TM enforcement | Sep 18 07:58 |
| kaniini | if the only thing FSF had to offer was RMS | Sep 18 07:58 |
| kaniini | it should have shuttered years ago | Sep 18 07:58 |
| r_schestowitz | sfc tried to branch out | Sep 18 07:58 |
| r_schestowitz | sflc | Sep 18 07:58 |
| r_schestowitz | Moglen left | Sep 18 07:58 |
| kaniini | i would like to be optimistic and think that there are things FSF can do | Sep 18 07:58 |
| anthk_ | they are trying to help RMS from the trisquel forums | Sep 18 07:58 |
| r_schestowitz | SFC talks really poorly of RMS, it was rather harshly put | Sep 18 07:58 |
| kaniini | bkuhn was frustrated | Sep 18 07:59 |
| r_schestowitz | Pieapple Fund gave FSF some fosh | Sep 18 07:59 |
| anthk_ | https://trisquel.info/en/forum/goodbye-rms | Sep 18 07:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-trisquel.info | Goodbye, RMS | Trisquel GNU/Linux - Run free! | Sep 18 07:59 | |
| r_schestowitz | I assumed the sfc thing was partly the word of sandler because of outreachy and how they pick on anything that resembles scepticism | Sep 18 08:00 |
| kaniini | nope, it was bkuhn who wrote it | Sep 18 08:00 |
| r_schestowitz | how can one be sure and what can I cite as proof of that? | Sep 18 08:00 |
| kaniini | i can see about having them clarify, but i would presume the entire SFC board was supportive of the statement | Sep 18 08:01 |
| kaniini | the point ultimately is | Sep 18 08:02 |
| kaniini | people have fatigue with explaining away every time RMS hyperfocuses on some social issue in a weird way | Sep 18 08:02 |
| kaniini | defending Minsky is honourable | Sep 18 08:02 |
| r_schestowitz | it's his friend | Sep 18 08:03 |
| kaniini | but he could have just pointed out that several people have come forward and stated that they were there when the girl offered her services and that he turned her services down :) | Sep 18 08:03 |
| r_schestowitz | xxx | Sep 18 08:03 |
| r_schestowitz | wrote on 17/09/2019 01:22:> so i was talking to a guy i know (in person) that used to work at dell, and im telling him about the bill gates, mit, minsky, stallman thing. | Sep 18 08:03 |
| kaniini | (and in fact, several posts on CSAIL make that observation) | Sep 18 08:03 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Sep 18 08:03 |
| r_schestowitz | > he says yeah, theyre going crazy over at mit and harvard about this stuff. hes heard of minsky, and he thinks stallman has every right to make comments defending his colleague and friend. | Sep 18 08:03 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Sep 18 08:03 |
| r_schestowitz | > hes not a trump supporter, (most of the people who say these things are, in my experience) but he says "this [politically correct] cultures got to stop." i told him about the coup going on, hes not on board. the people who are doing this are not interested in the well being of the free software movement, theyre not interested in truth, theyre only in it for the politics right now. | Sep 18 08:03 |
| r_schestowitz | that can be taken into account | Sep 18 08:04 |
| kaniini | i don't think there is a coup per se | Sep 18 08:04 |
| kaniini | i just think a lot of people had enough ;) | Sep 18 08:04 |
| r_schestowitz | All the coverage I found is here http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128122 | Sep 18 08:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Stallman Under Fire for Views on Epstein | Tux Machines | Sep 18 08:04 | |
| r_schestowitz | in the comments also | Sep 18 08:05 |
| kaniini | the media of course | Sep 18 08:05 |
| r_schestowitz | Meeks: http://www.gnome.org/~michael/blog/2019-09-17-rms.html | Sep 18 08:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-people.gnome.org | Stuff Michael Meeks is doing | Sep 18 08:05 | |
| kaniini | decided to jump on it for clickbait | Sep 18 08:05 |
| r_schestowitz | RMS told me an hour ago Gates could be the thing to distract from | Sep 18 08:05 |
| kaniini | yes | Sep 18 08:05 |
| kaniini | i agree with what meeks says about it | Sep 18 08:05 |
| r_schestowitz | https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/09/17/bill-gates-says-regrets-meeting-epstein-conviction-agreeing/ | Sep 18 08:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.telegraph.co.uk | Bill Gates says he regrets meeting Epstein after his conviction and agreeing to donate $2m to MIT | Sep 18 08:06 | |
| r_schestowitz | Moody: | Sep 18 08:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > thanks for the suggestion. I've interviewed both of them at some | Sep 18 08:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > length, although not recently. Unfortunately, books of this nature | Sep 18 08:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > don't sell, so there's not only no money, but probably no publisher | Sep 18 08:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > either... | Sep 18 08:08 |
| r_schestowitz | Eventually the trees might be saved. | Sep 18 08:08 |
| r_schestowitz | Only to be burned to make way for soybean plantations and palm. | Sep 18 08:08 |
| kaniini | anyway, my opinion is the most productive thing to do | Sep 18 08:09 |
| kaniini | is concentrate on future | Sep 18 08:09 |
| r_schestowitz | I'm back to patents today | Sep 18 08:10 |
| *r_schestowitz editing text | Sep 18 08:10 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: That issue never happens with Debian URLs. | Sep 18 08:39 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Election fraud: Is there an open source solution? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128252 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4dea25bf-cbe9-4409-8f5b-a0173d7ad536] | Sep 18 09:02 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: The community-led renaissance of open source http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128253 [https://pleroma.site/objects/65f14791-8277-402f-b43f-30467070d31d] | Sep 18 09:03 | |
| -->You are now talking on #techrights | Sep 18 11:34 | |
| ---Topic for #techrights is TechRights.org | Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell | Sep 18 11:34 | |
| ---Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Sep 18 11:34 | |
| schestowitz | tada | Sep 18 11:34 |
| schestowitz | thanks, XRevan86 | Sep 18 11:34 |
| schestowitz | gotta run now | Sep 18 11:34 |
| schestowitz | meetting due | Sep 18 11:34 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: :) | Sep 18 11:35 |
| schestowitz | something odd with a tunnel I don't know | Sep 18 11:35 |
| schestowitz | that's why I hate rebooting a lot | Sep 18 11:35 |
| schestowitz | anyway, no signs of further FS issues | Sep 18 11:35 |
| schestowitz | I checked dmesg | Sep 18 11:35 |
| schestowitz | bbl | Sep 18 11:35 |
| XRevan86 | Like a WireGuard tunnel? | Sep 18 11:36 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Canonical Outs New Linux Kernel Security Update for All Supported Ubuntu OSes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128259 [https://pleroma.site/objects/36d883b6-9645-43e1-8cdd-aede205e51fd] | Sep 18 17:18 | |
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| kaniini | schestowitz: i would suggest getting new thermal paste. if it is 10 years old, it is overdue for new thermal paste application anyway | Sep 18 18:02 |
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| schestowitz | kaniini: I never even heard of it | Sep 18 18:16 |
| schestowitz | at first I thought a physical paste | Sep 18 18:17 |
| kaniini | thermal paste is what bonds the CPU cooler to the CPU | Sep 18 18:17 |
| schestowitz | ah, that's what I thought it was | Sep 18 18:17 |
| schestowitz | then you said "application" | Sep 18 18:17 |
| schestowitz | it's a laptop | Sep 18 18:17 |
| schestowitz | So I am reluctant to unscrew things, it's already broken enougn as it is | Sep 18 18:18 |
| schestowitz | at the moment I wait and observe for any other FS-related issues | Sep 18 18:18 |
| schestowitz | if it happens a second time, I'll bail out | Sep 18 18:18 |
| schestowitz | meanwhile, nightly backups instead of weekly | Sep 18 18:18 |
| anthk_ | https://mobile.twitter.com/cra/status/1174327879955562501 it begins | Sep 18 18:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mobile.twitter.com | Twitter | Sep 18 18:19 | |
| schestowitz | but let me ask you/others this: how likely, statistically, is it for the disk/fs to throw such an error just once in a decade? This never happened before. I rarely even fscked it | Sep 18 18:19 |
| schestowitz | ""Red Hat urges the FSF board to seize the opportunity during its current leadership succession by appointing a president and members of its board that are more diverse, including from a national, racial and gender perspective"" | Sep 18 18:20 |
| schestowitz | hmmm | Sep 18 18:20 |
| schestowitz | but the original says more 'The free software movement draws strength from an environment that is collaborative, inclusive and respectful. Diverse groups of people from all walks of life and nationalities come together and use their strengths and life experiences to contribute, share ideas, challenge the status quo, and improve technology for all. Everyone, including those who have been underrepresented and marginalized in technology, | Sep 18 18:21 |
| schestowitz | should be able to freely participate to produce useful software including in open source communities. " | Sep 18 18:21 |
| schestowitz | he focuses only on the last sentence | Sep 18 18:21 |
| anthk_ | if anything magic on software is that race over the internet never mattered | Sep 18 18:23 |
| anthk_ | just what you were able to acomplish | Sep 18 18:23 |
| anthk_ | neither the gender, or sexual orientation, or any outdated and rancid issue | Sep 18 18:23 |
| schestowitz | biologists say race is a human construct | Sep 18 18:24 |
| schestowitz | as in, colours aren't what matters most | Sep 18 18:25 |
| anthk_ | If I had to push quotas I'd put these on truely disabled people | Sep 18 18:25 |
| anthk_ | not disabled wannabes | Sep 18 18:25 |
| schestowitz | but anyway, about gender.. I suppose many males are in FSF, very much like in GNU community itself | Sep 18 18:25 |
| anthk_ | such as blind or deaf people | Sep 18 18:25 |
| schestowitz | if 90% of gnu people are male, then... | Sep 18 18:25 |
| anthk_ | who are truly in disadvantage | Sep 18 18:25 |
| anthk_ | life doesn't work on linear algebra | Sep 18 18:27 |
| anthk_ | s/on/as | Sep 18 18:27 |
| anthk_ | if I was a guy on 90% women, I'd felt insulted if someone dared to understimate my skills | Sep 18 18:28 |
| anthk_ | The priority is to have a secure userland and kernel, nothing more | Sep 18 18:29 |
| anthk_ | call any human you like, even martian if you find it, I don't care | Sep 18 18:29 |
| anthk_ | but put the one who has more respect to the free software, values and technical competence | Sep 18 18:29 |
| schestowitz | kaniini: thanks for the advice anyway, much appreciated | Sep 18 18:32 |
| schestowitz | no visible issue since this morning thankfully | Sep 18 18:32 |
| schestowitz | I dread the idea of rebuilding the machine, it would take loads of time and sweat | Sep 18 18:33 |
| schestowitz | >> I saw all three and added them to | Sep 18 18:51 |
| schestowitz | >> | Sep 18 18:51 |
| schestowitz | >> http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128122 | Sep 18 18:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Stallman Under Fire for Views on Epstein | Tux Machines | Sep 18 18:51 | |
| schestowitz | >> | Sep 18 18:51 |
| schestowitz | >> You can do analysis on this set if you have time, e.g. media ownership, | Sep 18 18:51 |
| schestowitz | >> repeated phrases, timing... | Sep 18 18:52 |
| schestowitz | > Rob Beschizza at Boingboing simply took The Verge piece as factual, | Sep 18 18:52 |
| schestowitz | > which it is not. | Sep 18 18:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 18 18:52 |
| schestowitz | > As you've pointed out, The Verge is M$ influenced: | Sep 18 18:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 18 18:52 |
| schestowitz | > https://www.theverge.com/2015/1/22/7870497/bill-gates-interview-future-verge-guest-editor | Sep 18 18:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Bill Gates is guest-editing The Verge in February | The Verge | Sep 18 18:52 | |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 18 18:52 |
| schestowitz | > and remains that way: | Sep 18 18:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 18 18:52 |
| schestowitz | > https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/12/18220467/bill-gates-annual-letter-taxes-health-data-toilets-vergecast | Sep 18 18:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Bill Gates’ annual letter on The Vergecast: better data and better toilets - The Verge | Sep 18 18:52 | |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 18 18:52 |
| schestowitz | > - | Sep 18 18:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 18 18:52 |
| schestowitz | > Vice is Murdoch: | Sep 18 18:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 18 18:52 |
| schestowitz | > https://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2013/08/16/vice-media-gets-21st-century-fox-cash-infusion/ | Sep 18 18:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 18 18:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.wsj.com | Vice Media Gets 21st Century Fox Cash - Digits - WSJ | Sep 18 18:52 | |
| schestowitz | > - | Sep 18 18:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 18 18:52 |
| schestowitz | > DailyFail is owned by DMG Media, which is owned by the Daily Mail and | Sep 18 18:52 |
| schestowitz | > General Trust plc. | Sep 18 18:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 18 18:52 |
| schestowitz | > https://www.dmgt.com/about-us | Sep 18 18:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-About Us | DMGT | Sep 18 18:52 | |
| schestowitz | I only did not know that News Corp owns Vice. | Sep 18 18:52 |
| schestowitz | Wow. That helps explain some things. | Sep 18 18:52 |
| psydroid | I suspected a connection like this ever since the news broke | Sep 18 19:30 |
| schestowitz | Bill and Rupe are mates | Sep 18 19:35 |
| schestowitz | when you search MIT stuff you get RMS, not Gates | Sep 18 19:35 |
| schestowitz | and the storm has been redirected, albeit likely unintentionally | Sep 18 19:35 |
| schestowitz | but who knows... good luck proving that | Sep 18 19:35 |
| scientes | WTF. if you change languages to spanish libreoffice changes the hotkeys on you | Sep 18 19:38 |
| scientes | madness | Sep 18 19:38 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Announcing Kanidm - A new IDM project http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128260 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a8fd1a30-6459-4fcf-8de8-27ce7594231c] | Sep 18 20:05 | |
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| XRevan86 | https://icosahedron.website/@oreolek/102811496680931493 | Sep 18 20:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-icosahedron.website | Oreolek 👾: "A post on nginx mailing list accidentally confirm…" - Icosahedron | Sep 18 20:08 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: FreeBSD 12 & DragonFlyBSD 5.6 Running Well On The AMD Ryzen 7 3700X + MSI X570 GODLIKE http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128263 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7c6bc726-2afb-4b57-9ef5-eb6110481a30] | Sep 18 20:08 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: CAN-Bus HAT for Raspberry Pi 4 offers RTC and wide-range power http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128265 [https://pleroma.site/objects/631ffc64-cebd-4554-8b31-27ae99920e53] | Sep 18 20:10 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Fedora Linux 31 Enters Beta, Says Goodbye to 32-Bit Systems https://news.softpedia.com/news/fedora-linux-31-enters-beta-final-release-expected-at-the-end-of-october-527456.shtml http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128225 [https://pleroma.site/objects/485ec442-ad4d-40f1-8646-7a9ab0fa5ba8] | Sep 18 20:13 | |
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| schestowitz | " | Sep 18 20:19 |
| schestowitz | A post on nginx mailing list accidentally confirmed that FSB demands TLS session keys from all websites in their registry (or the site will be blocked forever in Russia). | Sep 18 20:19 |
| schestowitz | And it's very easy to dump session keys from apache or nginx. | Sep 18 20:19 |
| schestowitz | https://www.mail-archive.com/nginx-ru@nginx.org/msg12178.html | Sep 18 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Roskomsvoboda has a copy of the registry: https://reestr.rublacklist.net/distrib | Sep 18 20:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mail-archive.com | Как записать ключи pre-master от tls-соединений, обрабатываемых nginx? | Sep 18 20:19 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://reestr.rublacklist.net/distrib ) | Sep 18 20:19 | |
| schestowitz | useful to know | Sep 18 20:19 |
| XRevan86 | I'm curious of the fate of conversations.im in Russia. | Sep 18 20:20 |
| XRevan86 | Since siacs agreed to register, but I bet he does not comply with any requirements. | Sep 18 20:21 |
| *XRevan86 predicts it will be blocked eventually. | Sep 18 20:22 | |
| MinceR | 18 093929 <+XRevan86> MinceR: That issue never happens with Debian URLs. | Sep 18 20:26 |
| MinceR | perhaps APT fills out Referer or User-Agent? | Sep 18 20:26 |
| MinceR | 18 090923 < kaniini> is concentrate on future | Sep 18 20:27 |
| MinceR | provided we have one | Sep 18 20:27 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I cannot reproduce the same with deb.devuan.org | Sep 18 20:28 |
| XRevan86 | oops | Sep 18 20:28 |
| XRevan86 | deb.debian.org | Sep 18 20:28 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/939ef2dd | Sep 18 20:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paste.debian.net | Debian Pastezone | Sep 18 20:30 | |
| MinceR | XRevan86: devuan's package server (afaik it's called amprolla) gives you http redirects for packages that are unchanged from debian | Sep 18 20:31 |
| MinceR | and it redirects you to debian's servers in those cases | Sep 18 20:31 |
| XRevan86 | Reproducer: curl -6sI -H 'Host: deb.devuan.org' 'http://[2001:638:a000:1021:21::1]/merged/pool/' | head -n1 | Sep 18 20:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Could not resolve host: [2001:638:a000:1021:21:; Unknown error ( status 0 @ http://[2001:638:a000:1021:21::1 ) | Sep 18 20:35 | |
| MinceR | ah, that's not a particular package -- i don't know what happens there | Sep 18 20:37 |
| MinceR | i'll ask them | Sep 18 20:37 |
| XRevan86 | oh, wait, it happens on all of them with merged/pool/ | Sep 18 20:38 |
| XRevan86 | curses, it works now | Sep 18 20:41 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 18 20:41 |
| MinceR | next time you ask on #devuan :> | Sep 18 20:41 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: When you replied at 19:26:05 UTC, it didn't work, now it works %). | Sep 18 20:41 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: thanks %) | Sep 18 20:43 |
| MinceR | np | Sep 18 20:43 |
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