●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, October 18, 2026 ●● ● Oct 18 [00:55] *includeals has quit (Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in) [00:55] *includeals (~includeal@2001:8a0:e95c:e00::2000) has joined #techrights ● Oct 18 [01:18] *reap has quit (Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)) [01:23] *koo5_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [01:25] IsambardPrince https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pentagon_Wars [01:25] TR Bot The Pentagon Wars - Wikipedia [01:25] IsambardPrince I mean to watch this. [01:25] IsambardPrince Oddly, the Bradley Fighting Vehicle did end up suffering from Mission Creep, but that Mission Creep improved it. [01:26] IsambardPrince In some cases, into a tank killer. [01:26] IsambardPrince The Russians have lost some of their T-90 tanks in shootouts with Bradley Fighting Vehicles. [01:27] IsambardPrince The autocanon on the Bradley isn't going to punch through the tank armor and kill the crew but it can disable the tank and soften it up for a drone strike, [01:28] IsambardPrince https://courtdocket.org/child-eaten-by-alligator-at-disney-settlement-changes-and-no-charges/ [01:28] TR Bot Child Eaten by Alligator at Disney: Settlement, Changes, and No Charges - CourtDocket [01:29] IsambardPrince Sometimes lawsuits do change things for the better. Before Disney lost a hell of a lot of money on a kid being eaten by an alligator, they invested almost no money in preventing it from happening. [01:29] IsambardPrince After the lawsuit, they ended up removing alligators at over 4 times the previous rate for years until things settled down, but the number is still higher than the pre-lawsuit average. [01:30] IsambardPrince They also build barriers and put up new signage specifically warning about alligators and snakes, and trained staff to spot and report them immediately. [01:30] IsambardPrince And they banned fishing anywhere on Disney property except as part of a guided tour. [01:33] IsambardPrince They're a corporation. Corporations don't care about dead kids. [01:33] IsambardPrince They care about money, losing lots of money. [01:33] IsambardPrince I can't even believe Disney is still in business. [01:33] IsambardPrince They're coasting off of things people remember fondly. [01:38] *koo5_ (~quassel@vmi579006.contaboserver.net) has joined #techrights ● Oct 18 [02:02] IsambardPrince I'm answering a survey about what kind of food I eat. [02:02] IsambardPrince Almost no fruit, almost no raw vegetables. [02:02] IsambardPrince I don't really like yogurt. [02:03] IsambardPrince Lots of beef. [02:03] IsambardPrince Lots of cooked vegetables. [02:03] IsambardPrince Some chicken. [02:03] IsambardPrince Pork if it's ham, bacon, or spam, but not otherwise. [02:05] IsambardPrince The upside I guess is not too much candy, no donuts, cakes, or pies in the last month. [02:05] IsambardPrince Just a couple of Cadbury fruit and nut bars. [02:06] IsambardPrince It's technically got fruit, but the only fruit is raisins, which are acceptable in chocolate. [02:06] IsambardPrince It also has almonds. I love almonds. [02:06] MinceR lol [02:07] MinceR raisins are unacceptable in chocolate [02:07] IsambardPrince They asked about Slimfast or Ensure or Boost shakes. Listen, if I'm going to be fat it's not because I'm gulping down Ensure and Boost. [02:08] IsambardPrince Before she died, my grandmother spend from 1998-2026 living pretty much off sugar alone. [02:09] IsambardPrince Cakes, toaster strudles with extra frosting, the occasional piece of fried chicken or okra. [02:09] IsambardPrince Near the end she just drank a lot of boost. [02:09] IsambardPrince I told my mom that living to be 94 on boost and poptarts was sort of an achievement. [02:10] MinceR :> [02:11] IsambardPrince Along the way she got colorectal cancer and the surgeon said that after the surgery she had a normal amount of intestine left. She apparently started with a lot more than the average person. [02:11] IsambardPrince I told the doctor "How else would she be twice as full of shit as the rest of us?" [02:11] IsambardPrince Pretzels? Nope. [02:12] IsambardPrince Peanuts (1 oz). Who eats an ounce of peanuts? The reason I don't buy them often is because I can singlehandedly eat an entire warehouse club container of salted Virgia extra large peanuts during a couple of movies. [02:14] IsambardPrince Oat bran? No that's up there with frosted flakes. They were invented by a crazy man in Michigan in the 19th century who thought eating them would make you want to stop masturbating. [02:14] IsambardPrince I mean corn flakes, sorry. [02:14] IsambardPrince Frosted flakes were an attempted improvement. [02:14] IsambardPrince Presumably by people who didn't care about your masturbation habits. [02:16] IsambardPrince Ketchup? Rarely. It doesn't belong on anything except fries. [02:17] IsambardPrince Lots of garlic. [02:17] IsambardPrince I cook almost everything in olive oil [02:18] *Righty has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:18] *Righty (~Username@u8nsgeez8p5my.irc) has joined #techrights [02:18] IsambardPrince Regular mayo is the only right answer, and only Kewpie or Duke's. [02:19] IsambardPrince Coffee and black tea every day, mint tea (double strong) at night. [02:21] IsambardPrince Artificial sweetener? Only Splenda. It's the only one that has ever tasted like sugar. The older ones are awful. Saccharin was a 19th century take on sugar substitutes that's more bitter than sweet, Aspartame/Equal breaks down in heat yet they show it pictured with hot coffee and tea on the box, and newer ones like Truvia are just awful. [02:22] *Righty has quit (connection closed) [02:22] IsambardPrince I never buy cold breakfast cereal except corn flakes, but not because I don't want to have fun masturbating, it's because cornflakes are the topping for funeral potatoes, which are great, especially with ham. [02:23] *Righty (~Username@nms5efvswrpy6.irc) has joined #techrights [02:24] IsambardPrince Cooked oatmeal or bran, nope. They taste like nothing and people only use them for an excuse to eat a pile of brown sugar and melted butter. [02:25] IsambardPrince Grits? Occasionally. You need them for shrimp and cheesy grits. That's the only reason to buy grits. You have now experienced all there is to grits. [02:26] IsambardPrince Bread? There's only two acceptable kinds for sandwiches, depending on what the sandwich is. Sourdough or 100% Whole Wheat. [02:27] IsambardPrince Buttermilk is fine if there's no sourdough. [02:28] IsambardPrince Other crackers? Yeah. Ritz. Name brand only. I only buy them when I need a buttered crushed cracker topping for a chicken casserole though. [02:28] IsambardPrince Then I end up eating the rest with colby jack. [02:30] IsambardPrince In the last 30 days, how often did I eat beef, calf, or pork liver? None. Liver is so slow moving that they usually sell it frozen, which completely ruins the texture when you make liver and onions with bacon, which is otherwise one of my favorites. [02:31] MinceR lol @ masturbation habits [02:32] *darwin (~darwin@ezriia7nzimpg.irc) has joined #techrights [02:32] IsambardPrince Pan frying oils? Butter and olive oil or just plain olive oil or gtfo. Butter isn't good on its own. It burns too easily. [02:33] IsambardPrince When making cookies? Real butter. Margarine ruins everything it touches. It used to be the go to for poor people, but now it's expensive and ruins things. [02:34] IsambardPrince I had to suffer through margarine through childhood because my dad's stupid doctor told him to only buy margarine. [02:34] IsambardPrince Now when I get a piece of toast and margarine is all there is for whatever reason (like a hospital cafeteria) it's oddly nostalgic. [02:35] IsambardPrince Margarine is what they would have in the movie THX-1138. [02:36] IsambardPrince I use sesame oil sometimes, but rarely. [02:36] IsambardPrince It's okay for a stir fry. [02:38] IsambardPrince Am I on a diet? I tried cooking from the American Heart Association's DASH cookbook. [02:38] IsambardPrince They insist that you can replace salt with other things and get used to it. [02:38] IsambardPrince I came to the conclusion that they call it the DASH Diet because you dash to the nearest trashcan to throw the cookbook away. [02:38] IsambardPrince I told my doctor that. [02:39] IsambardPrince Prisoners who are on punishment loaf get a better meal than the DASH Diet. [02:40] IsambardPrince At least the prison brick has the decency not to pretend it's a lifestyle choice. [02:42] *darwin has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:42] IsambardPrince Vitamins? A multivitamin, 1000 mg Vitamin C, 5000 IU Vitamin D, and 470 mg of Magnesium Glycinate, and a couple Osteo-Bi-Flex Triple Strength with Turmeric. [02:46] TR News Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. 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[03:55] admfubar https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2026/10/us-rep-proposes-bill-to-give-video-game-buyers-ownership-not-a-license/ [03:55] TR Bot US Rep proposes bill to give video game buyers "ownership," not "a license" - Ars Technica [03:56] LordPhanes nice ● Oct 18 [04:03] admfubar https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2026/10/the-internets-undersea-backbone-is-slipping-into-to-the-danger-zone/ [04:03] TR Bot The Internets undersea backbone is slipping into the danger zone - Ars Technica [04:06] admfubar Elon Musk is a bullshitter who delivers... https://www.cnbc.com/make-it/2020/02/14/charlie-munger-shares-opinion-of-tesla-ceo-elon-musk.html [04:06] TR Bot Charlie Munger shares opinion of Tesla CEO Elon Musk [04:24] *IsambardPrince has quit (connection closed) [04:26] admfubar https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/kmart-sell-monkeys-1960s/ [04:26] TR Bot used to sell pet monkeys in the 1960s. It wasn't alone | Snopes.com [04:43] admfubar https://pogowasright.org/ai-agent-posts-mans-bank-balances-and-exactly-what-hes-spending-his-money-on-in-a-slack-work-channel/ [04:43] TR Bot Agent Posts Mans Bank Balances and Exactly What Hes Spending His Money on in a Slack Work Channel PogoWasRight.org ● Oct 18 [05:00] *parsifal (~parsifal@7uxr773xda83e.irc) has joined #techrights [05:09] *IsambardPrince (~IsambardPrince@gngwjq8rmiebe.irc) has joined #techrights [05:21] IsambardPrince schestowitz[TR2], https://scontent-lga3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.99422-6/854188414_1774304180463677_5777679586087689070_n.png?stp=dst-jpg_tt6&cstp=mx1638x2048&ctp=s1638x2048&_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=127cfc&_nc_ohc=tGfu5ih8drAQ7kNvwG8DwxO&_nc_oc=AdrkhCLi7LJq2st6HbHwDnyJ3TT_M_-RkmO_9y6si3lSwrjcSvLJG_3FK_NTbTSPmT0&_nc_zt=14&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-2.xx&_nc_gid=csr4P_QCh4dbuGG7eWxoVQ&_nc_ss=7b2a8&oh=00_AQNYw3j1FkVOwGEgIm6I67nT-SG6jmf5aVRmyAA [05:21] IsambardPrince uFfKUvA&oe=6ADA2D64 [05:21] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://scontent-lga3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.99422-6/854188414_1774304180463677_5777679586087689070_n.png?stp=dst-jpg_tt6&cstp=mx1638x2048&ctp=s1638x2048&_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=127cfc&_nc_ohc=tGfu5ih8drAQ7kNvwG8DwxO&_nc_oc=AdrkhCLi7LJq2st6HbHwDnyJ3TT_M_-RkmO_9y6si3lSwrjcSvLJG_3FK_NTbTSPmT0&_nc_zt=14&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-2.xx&_nc_gid=csr4P_QCh4dbuGG7eWxoVQ&_nc_ss=7b2a8&oh=00_AQNYw3j1FkVOwGEgIm6I67nT-SG6jmf5aVRmyAA ) [05:21] IsambardPrince Ouch. [05:21] IsambardPrince Streaming TV prices. [05:22] IsambardPrince You're not only paying rent to access the streaming app, but the rent goes up about as fast as your rent. [05:23] LordPhanes yeah way more expensive than cable tv ever was if you want a few of em [05:24] IsambardPrince Some of them know that they can't get that much money from smart people. [05:25] IsambardPrince You threaten to cancel Paramount Plus they go back down to like $2.99 for a few months then they see if you're still paying attention., [05:28] IsambardPrince The grocery store was giving away Necco Wafers today with a coupon. [05:28] IsambardPrince It says they're "The original candy wafer from 1847." [05:28] schestowitz[TR2] interesting [05:28] schestowitz[TR2] might use that [05:28] IsambardPrince Tastes like something from a pharmacy. [05:28] IsambardPrince schestowitz[TR2], Think there was a typo on one of them. [05:28] IsambardPrince Paramount+ [05:29] IsambardPrince Anyway, it's gotten totally ridiculous. [05:29] IsambardPrince Almost everything Netflix has eventually makes it onto DVD and Blu Ray. [05:29] IsambardPrince The library has it for free. [05:29] IsambardPrince You already bought a copy when you paid taxes. [05:29] TR News Rebooting into new kernel soon, IRC outage for 2 mins at most [05:31] IsambardPrince Now you're paying to rent something that's on a library shelf. [05:32] IsambardPrince It's not that there's nothing good on Netflix, it's that most of it is cheap filler, like all of them. [05:32] IsambardPrince It's like 97% filler and crap, and 3% good stuff. [05:32] IsambardPrince They know if they put almost all their budget into the 3%, then people will subscribe just to watch that, then they won't unsubscribe while the next season takes a year or two in production. [05:33] IsambardPrince And Netflix harvests months or even years of barely used subscription time. [05:34] TR News javascript TCO : "Pluralistic: Israeli ad-tech company was a delivery system for mercenary spyware (17 Oct 2026)" https://pluralistic.net/2026/10/17/mercenary-spyware/#discover-tech [05:34] TR Bot Pluralistic: Israeli ad-tech company was a delivery system for mercenary spyware (17 Oct 2026) Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow [05:34] IsambardPrince It's almost pure profit. [05:35] IsambardPrince It's like my landlord. They spend the bare minimum to make sure the building doesn't fall over into the street or on things that avoid a lawsuit or everyone breaking their lease at once. [05:36] IsambardPrince Like, they have an exterminator come out, but he doesn't do the things you'd do if you were really trying to kill all of the cockroaches. [05:36] IsambardPrince It's better than Piyush. [05:36] IsambardPrince The Nazis were less indiscriminate in their application of pesticides. [05:37] TR News "On Wednesday, Netflix told staff it was laying off about 6% of its workforce, or roughly a thousand people, according to an internal memo obtained by CNBC." https://techcentral.co.za/netflix-losing-battle-screen-time/287359/ | Source: Tech Central (South Africa) [05:37] TR Bot Netflix is losing the battle for your screen time [05:37] TR News "The user has to be logged in and authenticated; we use SMS and OTP authentication. Sending out that many SMSs across the country in a short span of time is a problem statement of its own" https://thenewstack.io/live-streaming-engineering-lessons/ | Source: The New Stack [05:37] TR Bot Here are the engineering lessons we learned when live-streaming sports to 32 million people - The New Stack [05:37] IsambardPrince schestowitz[TR2], A while back Netflix said they were firing all their animators and would use AI. [05:38] TR News "The Xbox 360 has been cracked open multiple times over the years" https://www.tomshardware.com/video-games/retro-gaming/modder-finishes-nine-year-xbox-360-voltage-glitch-mod-with-a-usd4-microcontroller-cracks-the-console-open-tiny-microcontroller-dumps-nand-and-flashes-timing-files-to-bypass-cpu-cryptography | Source: Tom's Hardware [05:38] TR Bot Modder finishes nine-year Xbox 360 voltage glitch mod with a $4 microcontroller, cracks the console open tiny microcontroller dumps NAND and flashes timing files to bypass CPU cryptography | Tom's Hardware [05:38] IsambardPrince Then there's been no new animation since then. [05:38] IsambardPrince Nothing that they've produced. [05:38] schestowitz[TR2] laurels [05:38] IsambardPrince Animation is like anything else, it's a creative process. [05:38] IsambardPrince Computer programs are not creative. [05:39] TR News "Hammacks specific concern that too many businesses have pricing power, which is leading to excessive wage growth." https://www.thebignewsletter.com/p/how-the-federal-reserve-secretly | Source: Matt Stoller [05:39] TR Bot How the Fed Is Quietly Inflating the AI Bubble While Hiking Your Electric Bill [05:39] IsambardPrince The golden years of Disney relied on storyboarding, strict rules. There was a process. [05:39] schestowitz[TR2] computers are fast [05:39] schestowitz[TR2] you can do rendering farms [05:39] IsambardPrince For colors it was called 60-30-10. [05:39] schestowitz[TR2] for uhuman-made work [05:39] schestowitz[TR2] the aim is not speed [05:39] schestowitz[TR2] or quantity [05:39] IsambardPrince Every frame of a golden-era Disney animation followed it. [05:39] schestowitz[TR2] you doon't need 1000 slop movies [05:39] schestowitz[TR2] pepople have limited time [05:39] schestowitz[TR2] make one good movie [05:40] TR News "With that said, I want to offer some cautionary thoughts on the largesse from the company that has become the leading corporate supporter of American journalism, OpenAI." https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/10/newsrooms-journalism-openai-funding/689043/ | Source: The Atlantic [05:40] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/10/newsrooms-journalism-openai-funding/689043/ ) [05:40] IsambardPrince Roughly 60% of that frame would be a predominant color, roughly 30% would be a complimentary color, and then roughly 10% would be a color that contrasted with the rest of the scene so that the audience's attention moved there. [05:40] TR News "THR noted that the supposed rule violation was not explicitly laid out, and that TikTok had not commented on this ban." https://gizmodo.com/tiktok-permabans-musk-film-account-2000827320 | Source: Gizmodo [05:40] TR Bot TikTok Permabans 'Musk' Film Account [05:41] TR News ">Even beyond the films account suspension on TikTok, the 3-hour-and-45-minute has already faced its fair share of controversy ahead of its release." https://variety.com/2026/film/news/musk-documentary-tiktok-account-permanently-suspended-1236914995/ | Source: Variety [05:41] TR Bot 'Musk' Documentary Account Permanently Suspended from TikTok [05:41] IsambardPrince schestowitz[TR2], I don't watch slop. [05:41] TR News "Ads promoting the trailer for Musk directed by Oscar-winner filmmaker Alex Gibney were initially rejected by Meta and YouTube as well, though those platforms eventually allowed the ad" https://techcrunch.com/2026/10/17/tiktok-permanently-bans-musk-documentary-advertising-account/ | Source: TechCrunch [05:41] TR Bot permanently bans Musk documentary advertising account | TechCrunch [05:41] TR News "TikTok has banned the Musk film advertising account, citing a repeated pattern of political content that violates its policies." https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/politics-news/musk-movie-tiktok-banned-theaters-showtimes-1236734308/ | Source: Hollywood Reporter [05:41] TR Bot TikTok Bans Musk Film Account, Citing Politics [05:41] TR News "While TikTok has no official affiliation with Elon Musk, part owner Larry Ellison appears in the film via a text message offering to help Musk fund his Twitter purchase." https://www.theverge.com/tech/1013453/tiktok-bans-alex-gibneys-musk-documentary | Source: The Verge [05:41] TR Bot TikTok bans Musk documentary account | The Verge [05:41] IsambardPrince With rare exception ("The critics got this horribly wrong!"), I don't bother with anything that got under about 65% on Rotten Tomatoes. [05:41] schestowitz[TR2] slop is like "Foodstuff" [05:41] schestowitz[TR2] you would not order [05:41] schestowitz[TR2] and eat [05:41] schestowitz[TR2] "foodstuff" [05:42] TR News "The term inactivation signifies that the group is being decommissioned for an indeterminate period during some form of restructuring and reorganization" https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-military/2026/10/16/us-armys-8th-psychological-operations-group-inactivated/ | Source: Sightline Media Group [05:42] TR Bot US Armys 8th Psychological Operations Group inactivated [05:42] IsambardPrince There's also a few examples of near-100% that I don't like at all. [05:42] TR News "It is about locality and the society it supports. It also extends to generations yet to be and to the rest of the species on this planet." https://protesilaos.com/commentary/2026-10-17-ai-despair-adaptability-community/ | Source: Protesilaos Stavrou [05:42] TR Bot AI, despair, adaptability, and community | Protesilaos [05:42] IsambardPrince Humans don't always go with the consensus. [05:42] TR News "Musk declined to be interviewed for the film." https://newrepublic.com/article/216453/watching-musk-feels-like-trapped-simulation-alex-gibney-doc | Source: New Republic [05:42] TR Bot Watching Musk Feels Like Being Trapped in a Simulation | The New Republic [05:43] IsambardPrince That's why there were cult classics that did better on DVD or something. [05:43] IsambardPrince So here's a good example, MinceR likes this movie iirc. [05:43] IsambardPrince Event Horizon. [05:43] TR News "After more than 30 years as a DER SPIEGEL correspondent in the US, I am leaving. The country that I thought I knew no longer exists. It was an illusion - and it is being replaced by the unknown." https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/leaving-the-us-the-erosion-of-my-american-dream-a-509fdb80-9895-4612-a6b7-5c2f253982f4#ref=rss | Source: Spiegel [05:43] TR Bot Leaving the US: The Erosion of My American Dream - DER SPIEGEL [05:43] IsambardPrince They shaved over 40 minutes off of it because the test audiences hated all of the gore and violence. [05:43] TR News "The first part of this expansion happened last year when the Mendocino Railway, better known as the Skunk Train" https://www.latimes.com/travel/story/2026-10-15/redwood-country-tall-trees-stiff-drinks-skunk-train | Source: Los Angeles Times [05:43] TR Bot Mendocino Countys Skunk Train introduces a luxe, adults-only railcar - Los Angeles Times [05:44] TR News "That efficiency is why trawling has become central to some of the worlds largest commercial fisheries." https://www.lonestarlive.com/native-american-news/2026/10/trawl-fishing-catches-huge-amounts-of-seafood-it-can-also-devastate-the-seafloor.html | Source: Advance Local Media LLC [05:44] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://www.lonestarlive.com/native-american-news/2026/10/trawl-fishing-catches-huge-amounts-of-seafood-it-can-also-devastate-the-seafloor.html ) [05:44] TR News "Our world is so incredibly wrong-headed and misguided. Trains dont run better with these. No one is helped. They use electricity and electronics and rare minerals." https://idiomdrottning.org/metrovision | Source: Idiomdrottning [05:44] TR Bot Metrovision [05:44] IsambardPrince Then by the time the studio realized that it did better on DVD than they thought it would, they came back asking for a director's cut. [05:44] IsambardPrince By that point the studio had mishandled or destroyed all the cut scenes. [05:44] TR News "The phenomenon, the authors note, occurs even under normal environmental conditions, without the need for sunlight or other agents that cause plastic degradation." https://www.wired.com/story/microplastics-react-with-water-new-study-says-thats-a-problem-for-biology/ | Source: Wired [05:44] TR Bot React With Water, a New Study Says. Thats a Problem for Biology | WIRED [05:44] IsambardPrince And there was nothing to make a director's cut off of. [05:45] TR News "Programs will teach residents how to conserve water and reduce waste." https://www.western-water.com/2026/10/15/california-libraries-take-on-water-waste-and-climate-change/ | Source: Western Water [05:45] IsambardPrince Then there was Cutthroat Island, a mid-90s pirate movie. [05:45] TR Bot California libraries take on water waste and climate change | ... [05:45] TR News "US corporate lobbyists launched a two-year blitz to postpone and weaken the worlds most progressive legislation to protect forests, according to a new investigation by the environmental watchdog Mighty Earth." https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2026/oct/17/us-corporate-lobbyists-europe-deforestation | Source: The Guardian UK [05:45] TR Bot US corporate lobbyists mounted blitz to dilute landmark EU deforestation law, report finds | Deforestation | The Guardian [05:45] IsambardPrince It cost so much that the studio was bankrupted and the movie was taken over and finished by creditors. [05:45] IsambardPrince It didn't do well, they lost almost everything. [05:46] IsambardPrince schestowitz[TR2], Yes, modern American cinema is McDonald's. [05:46] IsambardPrince They follow the same formula on everything. [05:46] IsambardPrince There's no experimentation. [05:46] IsambardPrince McDonald's came out with a burger in the 1990s, I loved it. [05:46] IsambardPrince Ordered it every time I went there. [05:46] IsambardPrince It was called the Arch Deluxe. [05:47] IsambardPrince It had much higher quality ingredients than the usual McDonald's burger and its own formula of ketchup. [05:47] TR News "How do you get kids to stop spending so much time in the virtual world? Its pretty obvious: Give them back the real one." https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2026-10-17/kids-technology-real-world-interaction-third-places | Source: Los Angeles Times [05:48] TR Bot Contributor: If you get kids off their devices, where are they going to go? - Los Angeles Times [05:48] TR News "The payment went to the Senate Leadership Fund, or SLF, rather than directly to Paxton's campaign" https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/elon-musk-donation-ken-paxton-senate-campaign-1826182 | Source: International Business Times [05:48] TR Bot 'Billionaires Aren't Compatible With Democracy': Critics Bash Elon Musk $158M Paxton Donation | IBTimes UK [05:48] IsambardPrince They spent hundreds of millions of dollars developing, testing, setting up its own supply lines, training staff on how to properly cook it. [05:48] IsambardPrince It ended up being a disaster, not because it wasn't good. But because it cost too much to have a supply chain for one decent burger in the middle of a fast food place. [05:49] TR News "OpenAI put Arizonans safety at risk by failing to implement adequate user protections or transparency measures" https://www.tucsonsentinel.com/local/report/101526_az_sues_openai/arizona-sues-openai-over-dangers-chatgpt-poses-children/ | Source: Tuscon Sentinel [05:49] TR Bot Arizona sues OpenAI over the dangers ChatGPT poses to children [05:49] TR News "This is absurd. This is irresponsible. And almost no one outside Silicon Valley wants this future." https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/10/ai-regulation-transhumanism-oligarchs/689013/ | Source: The Atlantic [05:49] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/10/ai-regulation-transhumanism-oligarchs/689013/ ) [05:49] TR News "Most of the planet with incomes equivalent to 5,000 a month (nearly $5,600) by 2100. Average temperatures only 1.8 degrees Celsius above preindustrial levels." https://english.elpais.com/economy-and-business/2026-10-17/thomas-piketty-the-future-billionaires-are-preparing-for-us-is-dystopian.html | Source: El Pas [05:49] TR Bot Thomas Piketty: 'The future billionaires are preparing for us is dystopian' | Economy and Business | EL PAS English [05:49] IsambardPrince They don't like risk in modern Hollywood. If they spend $100+ million dollars on something, they want them all to make profit, not be hit or miss with the winners subsidizing the break evens and box office bombs. [05:50] schestowitz[TR2] schestowitz[TR2], Yes, modern American cinema is McDonald's. [05:50] schestowitz[TR2] Why young Indonesians are falling back in love with cinemas and the analogue lifestyle https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/why-young-indonesians-are-falling-back-in-love-with-cinemas-and-the-analogue-lifestyle [05:50] TR Bot Young Indonesians rediscover cinemas and analogue life | The Straits Times [05:51] TR News "Krasotkin was due to be released on September 17 but was again kept in custody." https://meduza.io/en/news/2026/10/17/russian-mathematician-semyon-krasotkin-charged-with-treason-over-26-in-paid-telegram-reactions-to-ukrainian-and-opposition-channels | Source: Meduza [05:51] TR Bot Russian mathematician Semyon Krasotkin charged with treason over $26 in paid Telegram reactions to Ukrainian and opposition channels Meduza [05:51] TR News "Last fall, we sued on behalf of three major labor unions to stop this surveillance program." https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2026/10/our-lawsuit-against-trump-administrations-social-media-surveillance-moves-forward | Source: EFF [05:51] TR Bot Our Lawsuit Against the Trump Administrations Social Media Surveillance Moves Forward. Heres What the Court Said. | Electronic Frontier Foundation [05:51] TR News "the Internet." https://www.thenation.com/article/society/digital-privacy-salazar-paramount/ | Source: The Nation [05:51] TR Bot Is Blockbuster Video the Answer to Our Digital Privacy Woes? | The Nation [05:52] TR News "Normally trust is earned, but somehow we often blindly trust what a company states on their privacy policy. As a contractor, I have personally been at several places where the privacy policy was laughed at, it was a joke" https://unixdigest.com/articles/do-you-think-you-can-trust-the-privacy-policy-of-a-company-or-project.html | Source: UNIXdigest [05:52] TR Bot Do you think you can trust the privacy policy of a company or project? [05:52] TR News "Oh, Canada. The Great White North is the latest country to contemplate legislation that could essentially mandate backdoors and increase data retention in encrypted services." https://www.wired.com/story/kernel-panic-encryption-is-getting-squeezed-from-all-sides/ | Source: Wired [05:52] TR Bot Is Getting Squeezed From All Sides | WIRED [05:52] TR News "When this system was first tested, CBP officers staffed the cameras." https://papersplease.org/wp/2026/10/17/sfo-elected-to-pay-for-dhs-facial-recognition-system/ | Source: Papers Please [05:52] TR Bot SFO elected to pay for DHS facial recognition system Papers, Please! [05:53] TR News "The real flaw is that the model cant tell the difference between text its supposed to read and instructions its supposed to follow." https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/ai-agent-sucker-phishing-emails | Source: Futurism [05:53] TR Bot Using an AI Agent Makes You a Sucker for Phishing Emails [05:53] TR News "That was a stressful couple of calls. At first you feel panic because maybe some money had been lost, so it may be hard to think straight." https://roytang.net/2026/10/phishing-call/ | Source: Roy Tang [05:53] TR Bot Phishing Call roytang.net [05:54] IsambardPrince schestowitz[TR2], Yes, I often end up watching movies subtitled into English. [05:54] IsambardPrince Way more interesting. [05:54] TR News Microsoft Entrapment and addiction https://www.jwz.org/blog/2026/10/gitsquatting/ | Source: Jamie Zawinski [05:54] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://www.jwz.org/blog/2026/10/gitsquatting/ ) [05:54] *IsambardPrince has quit (connection closed) [05:54] TR News Windows TCO https://www.darkreading.com/cyber-risk/when-your-ransomware-negotiator-works-other-side | Source: Dark Reading [05:54] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://www.darkreading.com/cyber-risk/when-your-ransomware-negotiator-works-other-side ) [05:55] TR News "In other words, it's what happens when slop drowns out the signal in an endless sea of noise." https://maevyn.codes/decoherence | [05:55] TR Bot Decoherence Trap: When AI slop drowns out the signal in an endless sea of noise | maevyn.codes [05:55] TR News "Others simply aren't worried about the health costs." https://www.businessinsider.com/smoking-cigarettes-silicon-valley-counterculture-2026-9 | Source: Business Insider [05:55] TR Bot Inside the Rising Counterculture of Silicon Valley Smokers - Business Insider [05:55] TR News "Palantir itself has stocked vending machines in its Washington D.C. office with free nicotine pouches for its employees 21 and older, Fortune previously reported." https://fortune.com/2026/10/13/palantir-cto-shyam-sankar-ai-researchers-smoking-cigarettes-cure-cancer-artificial-general-intelligence-silicon-valley-mass-psychosis-effective-altruism/ | Source: Fortune [05:55] TR Bot healthmaxxing: Tech insiders are reportedly taking up smoking because AI will cure cancer | Fortune [05:56] TR News "SHYAM SANKAR: Yes, correct. And you believe he's speaking as a technically informed individual who does this work, it's a scientific critique" https://www.cbsnews.com/news/shyam-sankar-chief-technology-officer-palantir-face-the-nation-transcript-10-11-2026/ | Source: CBS [05:56] TR Bot Transcript: Shyam Sankar,chief technology officer of Palantir, on "Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan," Oct. 11, 2026 - CBS News [05:56] TR News "How can writing be like proof-of-work? When Im writing something at work, its not always to communicate an idea." https://www.seangoedecke.com/writing-is-no-longer-proof-of-work/ | Source: Sean Goedecke [05:56] TR Bot Writing is no longer proof of work [05:56] TR News "The Fields Medalist Terence Tao is on the front lines of a debate about artificial intelligence and the future of his field." https://www.nytimes.com/2026/10/16/us/math-ai-terence-tao.html | Source: New York Times [05:56] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://www.nytimes.com/2026/10/16/us/math-ai-terence-tao.html ) [05:56] TR News "Thats been my biggest lesson from this rabbit hole." https://www.pcworld.com/article/3261985/the-better-i-get-at-ai-the-less-i-trust-it.html | Source: PC World [05:56] TR Bot better I got at AI, the more I realized I can't trust it | PCWorld [05:57] TR News "very little of that expertise exists in a format that AI systems can learn from." https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/ai-lab-offers-free-plumbing-and-hvac-repairs-across-three-cities-to-train-ai-robots-wearable-sensors-record-video-of-repair-work-for-robotics-training-free-services-also-include-electrical-work-air-duct-cleaning-and-carpet-cleaning | Source: Tom's Hardware [05:57] TR Bot AI lab offers free plumbing and HVAC repairs across three cities to train AI robots wearable sensors record video of repair work for robotics training, free services also include electrical work, air duct cleaning, and carpet cleaning | Tom's Hardware [05:57] TR News "The decomp.dev community that tracks and centralizes game decompilation progress is shutting down its public index and leaderboard" https://www.tomshardware.com/video-games/retro-gaming/game-decompilation-tracker-decomp-dev-shuts-its-public-leaderboard-saying-ai-has-broken-the-community-its-creator-blames-forks-that-use-ai-to-finish-other-teams-projects-and-races-to-ship-rough-pc-ports | Source: Tom's Hardware [05:57] TR Bot Game decompilation hub freezes leaderboard after AI turns progress into a hollow numbers game amid explosion of 'AI slop' creator blames forks that use AI to finish other teams projects and races to ship rough PC ports | Tom's Hardware [05:57] TR News "Participants work primarily from their home units and travel to Monterey three times. The fellowship becomes their primary duty, although their commands retain administrative control, according to the message." https://www.stripes.com/theaters/asia_pacific/2026-10-16/marine-corps-ai-fellowship-23169378.html | Source: Stars And Stripes [05:57] TR Bot Corps seeks AI problem-solvers for fourth fellowship class | Stars and Stripes [05:57] TR News "collective dementia of humankind." https://pariganaka.com/the-impending-collective-dementia-yuval-noah-hararis-stark-warning-on-ai/ | Source: Pariganaka [05:57] TR Bot Impending "Collective Dementia": Yuval Noah Hararis Stark Warning on AI - PARIGANAKA [05:58] TR News "The deployment marks a major escalation in U.S. troop presence in the region and a surge in conventional forces, as Washington looks to send more personnel into more countries." https://taskandpurpose.com/news/army-10th-mountain-division-latin-america/ | Source: Task And Purpose [05:58] TR Bot Hundreds of 10th Mountain Division soldiers head to Latin America [05:58] TR News "Nigerias Alpha Jet episode exposes a distinction that is becoming more urgent across African defense: possessing a platform is not the same as controlling the capability it represents." https://defenceweb.co.za/land/land-land/africa-buys-and-makes-weapons-but-who-controls-them/ | Source: Defence Web [05:58] TR Bot Africa buys and makes weapons, but who controls them? - DefenceWeb [05:58] TR News "More than half of all [Internet] users have installed an ad-blocker; Doc Searls calls it the largest consumer boycott in history." https://pluralistic.net/2026/10/17/mercenary-spyware/#discover-tech | Source: CoryDoctorow [05:58] TR Bot Pluralistic: Israeli ad-tech company was a delivery system for mercenary spyware (17 Oct 2026) Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow [05:58] TR News "Over a four-month period, the companys ads were shown on nearly 200,000 unique websites and in Android/iOS apps in dozens of countries." https://www.csoonline.com/article/4236143/no-click-required-how-the-ad-industry-became-a-pipeline-for-mercenary-spyware.html | Source: CSO [05:58] TR Bot No click required: How the ad industry became a pipeline for mercenary spyware | CSO Online [05:59] TR News "Yes, this is a publication for mainstream corporate security decision-makers. Online ads are a subset of online security risks now." https://blog.zgp.org/hey-look-over-there-security-risk/ | Source: Don Marti [05:59] TR Bot Hey, look over there! Security risk! [05:59] TR News "scientists found that those who had turned to vaping after quitting traditional cigarettes developed lung cancer at a rate about 56 percent higher" https://futurism.com/future-society/vaping-strongly-linked-to-lung-cancer | Source: Futurism [05:59] TR Bot Vaping Strongly Linked to Lung Cancer [05:59] TR News "Turning the crank pushes the blood through winding channels preloaded with reagents for the A, B and Rh blood groups." https://phys.org/news/2026-10-cranked-device-blood-red-cell.html | Source: Omicron Limited [05:59] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://phys.org/news/2026-10-cranked-device-blood-red-cell.html ) ● Oct 18 [06:00] TR News "The NEC V20 was a 16-bit CPU released in 1984. It is pin-compatible with the Intel 8088, and clones the 8088's instruction set." https://martypc.blogspot.com/2024/05/exploring-nec-v20-cpu.html | Source: Adventures in PC Emulation [06:00] TR Bot Exploring the NEC V20 CPU [06:00] TR News "Its no secret that Im a systems guy, and one of the most fascinating systems ever devised is the railroad" https://loudpoet.com/2026/10/17/personal-news-mission-accomplished/ | Source: Guy LeCharles Gonzalez [06:00] TR Bot Personal News: Mission accomplished. | As in guillotine... [06:00] TR News "I think one of the most valuable things I learned, as I became the youngest high school graduate of my department, then got a bachelors degree" https://alexsirac.com/writober-2026-%e2%88%92-contraption/ | Source: Alex Sirac [06:00] TR Bot [Note] Writober 2026 Contraption Alex [06:00] TR News "The image was captured in June 2025 at Tivoli Southern Sky Guest Farm near Windhoek in Namibia." https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/photography/astrophotography/peering-through-the-heart-of-a-dying-star-photographer-kfir-simon-found-a-host-of-distant-galaxies-hiding-in-plain-sight | Source: Digital Camera World [06:00] TR Bot Peering through the heart of a dying star, photographer Kfir Simon found a host of distant galaxies hiding in plain sight | Digital Camera World [06:01] TR News "The DNA inside our cells isnt just a series of instructions, but something far more dynamic. Like scientists, AI models don't yet have the data to properly decode it." https://www.wired.com/story/why-ai-isnt-ready-to-tackle-our-convoluted-genomes/ | Source: Wired [06:01] TR Bot AI Isnt Ready to Tackle Our Convoluted Genomes | WIRED [06:01] TR News "a breakthrough in the way that we can manipulate and study neural circuit behaviors" https://www.the-scientist.com/why-did-optogenetics-win-the-nobel-prize-in-physiology-or-medicine-75148 | Source: LabX Media Group [06:01] TR Bot Why Did Optogenetics Win the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine? | The Scientist [06:01] TR News "As you can imagine, slaving over manuscripts isn't the only thing I do on a computer." http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2026/10/bizarre-blanets-and-other-weir.html | Source: Antipope [06:01] TR Bot Bizarre Blanets and Weird Worlds - Charlie's Diary [06:01] TR News "They began in systems allowed to broker credentials, inspect traffic, deliver updates, or manage physical equipment." https://www.kylereddoch.me/blog/security-signal-weekly-october-10-16-2026/ | Source: Kyle Reddoch [06:01] TR Bot Security Signal Weekly: October 10-16, 2026 - CybersecKyle [06:01] TR News "As anyone who knows me is aware, I have more than a couple of projects going at any one time, but over these 16 years, Birchtree is the one constant that has never gone away." https://birchtree.me/blog/birchtree-is-16-years-old-today-and-the-nicest-thing-someone-said-to-me-this-year/ | Source: Matt Birchler [06:01] TR Bot Birchtree is 16 years old today (and the nicest thing someone said to me this year) [06:02] TR News "Today marks the three-hundredth short story Ive published, one per week, over the last (almost) six years." https://mattgemmell.com/three-hundred-stories-later/ | [06:02] TR Bot Three Hundred Stories Later Matt Gemmell [06:02] TR News "Then for the next three days I attended Kernel Recipes." https://nfraprado.net/post/this-month-from-paris-to-lauterbrunnen.html | Source: Ncolas F R A Prado [06:02] TR Bot This Month: From Paris to Lauterbrunnen - nfraprado [06:03] TR News "I set my terminals font to Iosevka this morning after skimming this thread on HN." https://sals.place/blog/coats-of-paint/ | Source: Sal [06:03] TR Bot Fresh coats of paint | Sal's [06:03] TR News "If youre not proud of it, dont serve it." https://seths.blog/2026/10/the-race-to-the-bottom-feels-inevitable/ | Source: Seth Godin [06:03] TR Bot The race to the bottom feels inevitable | Seth's Blog [06:03] TR News "created one of the most earliest self-portrait projects in the history of photography" https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/photography/these-19th-century-selfies-might-just-be-the-most-important-photographs-youve-never-heard-of | Source: Digital Camera World [06:03] TR Bot These 19th-century selfies might just be the most important photographs youve never heard of | Digital Camera World [06:05] TR News (NEW): Today in Techrights https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Today_in_Techrights.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Today_in_Techrights.gmi [06:05] TR Bot Tux Machines Today in Techrights [06:05] TR News Techrights Gemini Links 17/10/2026: Big Glowing Advertising Screens, Busy October, and Art https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/Gemini_Links_17_10_2026_Big_Glowing_Advertising_Screens_Busy_Oc.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/Gemini_Links_17_10_2026_Big_Glowing_Advertising_Screens_Busy_Oc.gmi [06:05] TR Bot Techrights Gemini Links 17/10/2026: Big Glowing Advertising Screens, Busy October, and Art [06:05] TR News Techrights IRC Proceedings: Saturday, October 17, 2026 https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/IRC_Proceedings_Saturday_October_17_2026.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/IRC_Proceedings_Saturday_October_17_2026.gmi [06:05] TR Bot Techrights IRC Proceedings: Saturday, October 17, 2026 [06:05] TR News Techrights Links 18/10/2026: TikTok Censors Criticism of MElon, "Trumps Latest Attempt to Be the King", and "Big Tech Oligarchs Have a Terrible Plan for Humanity" https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Links_18_10_2026_TikTok_Censors_Criticism_of_MElon_Trump_s_Late.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Links_18_10_2026_TikTok_Censors_Criticism_of_MElon_Trump_s_Late.gmi [06:05] TR Bot Techrights Links 18/10/2026: TikTok Censors Criticism of MElon, "Trumps Latest Attempt to Be the King", and "Big Tech Oligarchs Have a Terrible Plan for Humanity" [06:05] TR News Techrights Over at Tux Machines... https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Over_at_Tux_Machines.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Over_at_Tux_Machines.gmi [06:05] TR Bot Techrights Over at Tux Machines... [06:07] TR News [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D1772.jpg [06:07] TR News [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D2129.jpg [06:08] TR News "On IRC, Benjamin Wil mentioned how he had spent a week at a movie festival and I remembered going to the movies a lot." gemini://alexschroeder.ch/2026-10-17-movies [06:08] TR News "Around a week and a half ago, on October 8th, I was going to work on the last bits of my Game Boy Tarot card reader project (I'm nearly done with it and have been slowly working on a dev log post about it)." gemini://vigrey.com/journal/oops-i-accidentally-learned-to-mentally-calculate-every-easter-date.gmi [06:11] TR News Artcraft - A Tear in Reality gemini://schreibfaultier.pollux.casa/blog/2026-10-17-artcraft-tear-in-reality.en.gmi [06:11] TR News "And yes, I am like this. The one thing I can actually point at when wondering about ADHS. (There's more instances that make me wonder, but I could never point at them later)" gemini://kelaino.gemcities.com/gemlog/261017areyou.gmi [06:12] TR News Yesterday the postman brought me a new toy. I've been tempted by the Lilygo T-Deck Plus for a while. Last week I gave in. It's a gadget with all sorts of capabilities, but my interest is in using it as a portable terminal so that I can access my plain text files on the go." gemini://kunulo.smol.pub/2026-10-17-tdeck [06:12] TR News on_a_loop gemini://coldscars.smol.pub/on_a_loop [06:13] TR News "Ah, funny story here. Or not so funny for those involved, which, alas, did not involve Very Important People in Washington getting their most richly deserved comeuppance." gemini://thrig.me/blog/2026/10/18/cool-shit.gmi [06:14] TR News "A frequent discussion that I have had with an academic colleague, but also with various team members at Knowledge Commons and also with those at OLH, pertains to the use of AI writing detectors to unearth cheating students and/or dishonest academic researchers." gemini://eve.smol.pub/on-not-using-ai-detectors [06:15] TR News "An article in Science reports the discovery of an ancient sheep virus found hiding in medieval parchment. They extracted its DNA. 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The seeds for the curves were supplied by the NSA" https://www.johndcook.com/blog/2026/10/17/nist-curves-exonorated/ | Source: John D Cook [06:32] TR Bot Cloud of suspicion lifted from NIST curves [06:33] TR News "Armadillo is a powerful and expressive C++ template library for linear algebra and scientific computing." https://dirk.eddelbuettel.com/blog/2026/10/17/#rcpparmadillo_15.6.2-1 | Source: Dirk Eddelbuettel [06:33] TR Bot Thinking inside the box [06:33] TR News "This will be a mostly commented-code illustration of real-time arpeggiation." https://www.perl.com/article/adventures-in-real-time-midi/ | Source: Perl [06:33] TR Bot Adventures in Real-Time MIDI [06:33] TR News "Donald Knuth wrote premature optimization is the root of all evil in 1974, in a paper called Structured Programming with go to Statements." https://blog.veitheller.de/bitter.html | Source: Veit Heller [06:33] TR Bot Bitter Lessons and Premature Optimizations | Veit's Blog [06:34] TR News "What I like about this is that it, like CBMC, is flexible for many use cases (standalone assembly verification, translation validation" https://www.philipzucker.com/asmc_cpp/ | Source: Philip Zucker [06:34] TR Bot Ghidra + CBMC = Assembly Model Checker | Hey There Buddo! [06:34] TR News "I should have triple checked before pushing the revised XML templates live, but I failed to pick up on one of the very specific date syntax errors in the Tag URI I used for the ID field (Atom) and GUID field (RSS)." https://burgeonlab.com/notes/2026/1017-2202/ | Source: Naty S [06:34] TR Bot PSA: RSS and Atom XML Feeds Failure [06:35] TR News "No algorithm, no timeline, no engagement bait. Just feeds you chose." https://toolbox.rss.here.now/ | [06:35] TR Bot The RSS Universe Readers, Tools & Standards [06:35] TR News "I did one other thing this week. My robots.txt file only permits crawling from a small number of bots." https://blog.altos.au/post/autobanning-bad-requests-part-3/ | Source: Jon [06:35] TR Bot Bad Requests (Part 3) - blog.altos.au [06:35] TR News "iftop confirmed that my outbound bandwidth was saturated - I'm on an ancient copper 40/10 Mbps ADSL line, so it is not that hard to do." https://koldfront.dk/attack_of_the_crawlers_1997 | Source: Adam Sjgren [06:35] TR Bot Attack of the crawlers - koldfront [06:36] TR News original style was quite good and made Linux a global, technological success. His new fond style is making a dog's breakfast of things including developer relations and the actual code base." [06:36] TR News "when picking on Linus' new found style of leadership it might help to pick on the new found style rather than his original style. His original style was quite good and made Linux a global, technological success. His new fond style is making a dog's breakfast of things including developer relations and the actual code base." [06:36] TR News "As I switched to Emacs (with Doom Emacs) as my main code editor" https://helenchong.dev/blog/posts/2026-10-17-emacs-org-copy-block-contents/ | Source: Helen Chong [06:36] TR Bot Quickly Copy Code and Example Block Contents in Emacs Org Mode | Helen Chong, Web Developer [06:37] TR News "XScreenSaver is the standard screen saver collection shipped on most Linux and Unix systems running the X11 Window System, since its first release in 1992." https://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/ | Source: Jamie Zawinski [06:37] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/ ) [06:42] *ewig (~Ewig@user/ewig) has joined #techrights ● Oct 18 [07:00] *nobody has quit (connection closed) [07:01] *nobody (~nobody@nsh8tpw2fekzk.irc) has joined #techrights [07:08] *nobody has quit (connection closed) [07:09] *nobody (~nobody@5sh8zsccenmai.irc) has joined #techrights [07:11] *darwin (~darwin@ezriia7nzimpg.irc) has joined #techrights ● Oct 18 [08:39] *ewig has quit (Ping timeout: 253 seconds) ● Oct 18 [09:34] *ewig (~ewig@user/ewig) has joined #techrights ● Oct 18 [10:30] TR News "The distinction is important here, because hardware labs are obviously much harder to scale than software." https://ubuntu.com//blog/lower-android-development-cost | Source: Ubuntu [10:30] TR Bot to lower Android development costs by removing hardware from the critical path | Ubuntu [10:31] TR News "Classic DOS games never ran from within stand-up arcade cabinets in dollhouses, but [Juha Lilja] imagines a world in which they did." https://hackaday.com/2026/10/17/2026-retrocomputing-challenge-dollhouse-arcade-cabinet-runs-remote-dos-games/ | Source: Hackaday [10:31] TR Bot Retrocomputing Challenge: Dollhouse Arcade Cabinet Runs Remote DOS Games | Hackaday [10:31] TR News "In the final prototype of the drone such details had to be measured directly, with super-fast adjustments to the motors speed only possible with custom controller code and a lot of trial and error." https://hackaday.com/2026/10/17/building-a-flying-drone-with-a-single-propeller/ | Source: Hackaday [10:31] TR Bot A Flying Drone With A Single Propeller | Hackaday [10:32] TR News "[Andrzej Grski]s inspiration came from one component, and the main component of the project, an old e-ink display." https://hackaday.com/2026/10/17/2026-retrocomputing-challenge-oldputer-gives-old-eyes-relief-with-e-ink-display/ | Source: Hackaday [10:32] TR Bot Retrocomputing Challenge: Oldputer Gives Old Eyes Relief With E-ink Display | Hackaday [10:34] *x-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [10:39] TR News "At this point, folks have already started to use the capabilities for broadcasting digital TV signals, voice signals, FM Hell, and other hijinks." https://hackaday.com/2026/10/17/discovering-sdrs-everywhere/ | Source: Hackaday [10:39] TR Bot SDRs Everywhere | Hackaday [10:39] TR News "The chopping board isnt made of great material, instead its a set of strips of wood, were guessing probably bamboo or rubberwood, glued together." https://hackaday.com/2026/10/17/making-one-fender-from-another/ | Source: Hackaday [10:39] TR Bot One Fender From Another | Hackaday [10:42] *x-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@6mnab3uw5dgtk.irc) has joined #techrights [10:52] TR News "Not feeling well, but wanting to do something. This means tinkering with site, because that makes me happy even when unwell." https://vonexplaino.com/blog/posts/article/2026/10/style-tidying.html | Source: Colin Morris [10:52] TR Bot Style tidying [10:53] TR News "For a decade, two ways of measuring how fast the universe expands have given different answers, a problem known as the Hubble tension." https://backreaction.blogspot.com/2026/10/the-universe-was-born-magnetic.html | Source: Sabine Hossenfelder [10:53] TR Bot Sabine Hossenfelder: Backreaction: The Universe Was Born Magnetic, Scientists Say ● Oct 18 [11:05] TR News High Court: secret trial collapses due to confidentiality breaches https://danielpocock.com/en/high-court-secret-trial-collapses-confidentiality-breaches/ [11:05] TR Bot High Court: secret trial collapses due to confidentiality breaches [11:06] TR News Valve fix Zero Company crashing on Steam Machine with the latest major game update | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2026/10/valve-fix-zero-company-crashing-on-steam-machine-with-the-latest-major-game-update/ Source: GamingOnLinux [11:06] TR Bot fix Zero Company crashing on Steam Machine with the latest major game update | GamingOnLinux [11:07] TR News Steam Client Beta for October 16 brings another round of startup performance improvements | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2026/10/steam-client-beta-for-october-16-brings-another-round-of-startup-performance-improvements/ Source: GamingOnLinux [11:07] TR Bot Client Beta for October 16 brings another round of startup performance improvements | GamingOnLinux [11:08] TR News SteamOS 3.9.3 Beta arrives with improved support for Steam Frame wireless adapter | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2026/10/steamos-3-9-3-beta-arrives-with-improved-support-for-steam-frame-wireless-adapter/ Source: GamingOnLinux [11:08] TR Bot 3.9.3 Beta arrives with improved support for Steam Frame wireless adapter | GamingOnLinux [11:08] TR News Wine 11.20 brings more improvements for ARM64EC, XML validation and CDROMs | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2026/10/wine-11-20-brings-more-improvements-for-arm64ec-xml-validation-and-cdroms/ Source: GamingOnLinux [11:08] TR Bot 11.20 brings more improvements for ARM64EC, XML validation and CDROMs | GamingOnLinux [11:10] TR News Last case activity: 16 Oct 2026 https://caseboard.io/cases/d2fe1130-b63b-4d0b-9461-c0f971992dc2 [11:10] TR Bot Checking your browser - Caseboard [11:10] TR News Seems Reform UK spent a lot of money getting nowhere [11:14] TR News Pocock spent 200 pounds, Reform UK spent over 20,000. So live and learn. [11:17] TR News It looks like ubuntubuzz.com has just become a slopfarm [11:19] TR News Correction/update: based on 7 new 'articles', it is almost certainly a slopfarm now. The slop is not even attributed to Ade, who is a fan of Techrights and Tux Machines. Seems like botspam. [11:20] TR News "LILYGOs latest e-paper development board pairs an ESP32-S3 with a 4.7-inch display offering 960 540 resolution and 16-level grayscale." https://linuxgizmos.com/lilygo-t5-e-paper-basic-adopts-4-7-inch-display-for-embedded-projects/ | Source: Linux Gizmos [11:20] TR Bot ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/lilygo-t5-e-paper-basic-adopts-4-7-inch-display-for-embedded-projects/ ) [11:21] TR News "Adafruit has previewed Floppsy Rev D, an RP2350-based floppy disk archiver and emulator designed to preserve and access legacy computer storage media." https://linuxgizmos.com/adafruit-floppsy-rev-d-revives-floppy-disk-archiving-with-rp2350/ | Source: Linux Gizmos [11:21] TR Bot ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/adafruit-floppsy-rev-d-revives-floppy-disk-archiving-with-rp2350/ ) [11:21] TR News "This week highlights KDEs 30th anniversary and the premiere of the KDE documentary, the launch of Plasma 6.8 as the 30th Anniversary Edition, five Tumbleweed snapshots headlined by Linux Kernel 7.2.9, Samba 4.25.0 and LibreOffice 26.8.1.1" https://news.opensuse.org/2026/10/17/planet-roundup/ | Source: OpenSUSE [11:21] TR Bot Planet News Roundup - openSUSE News [11:23] TR News DW participates in the hypesters' pyramid scheme. no such thing as "homegrown AI" https://www.dw.com/en/eu-promotes-sovereign-trusted-ai-as-it-struggles-to-catch-us-and-china/a-79667770 [11:23] TR Bot EU champions homegrown AI as US, China retain lead [11:24] TR News "The Bad News on Inflation Just Keeps Coming" https://paulkrugman.substack.com/p/the-bad-news-on-inflation-just-keeps [11:24] TR Bot The Bad News on Inflation Just Keeps Coming [11:34] TR News Game decompilation hub freezes leaderboard after Hey Hi (AI) turns progress into a hollow numbers game amid explosion of 'AI slop' https://www.tomshardware.com/video-games/retro-gaming/game-decompilation-tracker-decomp-dev-shuts-its-public-leaderboard-saying-ai-has-broken-the-community-its-creator-blames-forks-that-use-ai-to-finish-other-teams-projects-and-races-to-ship-rough-pc-ports [11:34] TR Bot Game decompilation hub freezes leaderboard after AI turns progress into a hollow numbers game amid explosion of 'AI slop' creator blames forks that use AI to finish other teams projects and races to ship rough PC ports | Tom's Hardware [11:35] TR News AI lab offers free plumbing and HVAC repairs across three cities to train Hey Hi (AI) robots https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/ai-lab-offers-free-plumbing-and-hvac-repairs-across-three-cities-to-train-ai-robots-wearable-sensors-record-video-of-repair-work-for-robotics-training-free-services-also-include-electrical-work-air-duct-cleaning-and-carpet-cleaning [11:35] TR Bot AI lab offers free plumbing and HVAC repairs across three cities to train AI robots wearable sensors record video of repair work for robotics training, free services also include electrical work, air duct cleaning, and carpet cleaning | Tom's Hardware [11:36] TR News Using an Hey Hi (AI) Agent Makes You a Sucker for Phishing Emails https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/ai-agent-sucker-phishing-emails [11:36] TR Bot Using an AI Agent Makes You a Sucker for Phishing Emails [11:37] TR News Modder finishes nine-year Xbox 360 voltage glitch mod with a $4 microcontroller, cracks the console open https://www.tomshardware.com/video-games/retro-gaming/modder-finishes-nine-year-xbox-360-voltage-glitch-mod-with-a-usd4-microcontroller-cracks-the-console-open-tiny-microcontroller-dumps-nand-and-flashes-timing-files-to-bypass-cpu-cryptography [11:37] TR Bot Modder finishes nine-year Xbox 360 voltage glitch mod with a $4 microcontroller, cracks the console open tiny microcontroller dumps NAND and flashes timing files to bypass CPU cryptography | Tom's Hardware [11:39] TR News Some October 2026 quality of life changes https://www.rubenerd.au/some-october-2026-quality-of-life-changes/ [11:39] TR Bot Rubenerd: Some October 2026 quality of life changes [11:44] TR News Western brands under pressure as pre-owned luxury booms in China https://hongkongfp.com/2026/10/18/western-brands-under-pressure-as-pre-owned-luxury-booms-in-china/ [11:44] TR Bot Western brands under pressure as 'pre-owned' booms in China [11:48] TR News Putin won over USA https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-ukraine-civilians-killed-attack/33878396.html [11:48] TR Bot Russia's Deadly Attacks Damage Homes, Energy Sites In Ukraine As Kyiv Says Starlink Restrictions Continue [11:49] TR News Open Source Licensing Case in Russia https://heathermeeker.com/2026/10/17/open-source-licensing-case-in-russia/ [11:50] TR Bot Open Source Licensing Case in Russia Copyleft Currents [11:51] TR News How To Install OpenRGB on Ubuntu 26.04 LTS https://idroot.us/install-openrgb-ubuntu-26-04/ [11:51] TR Bot How To Install OpenRGB on Ubuntu 26.04 LTS - idroot [11:57] TR News Create a compressed tar of a folder, but only include files in sorted order with minimal metadata http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/view/44553/create-a-compressed-tar-of-a-folder-but-only-include-files-in-sorted-order-with-minimal-metadata [11:57] TR Bot Create a compressed tar of a folder, but only include files in sorted order with minimal metadata Using find, sort, tar ● Oct 18 [13:27] MinceR 18 064333 < IsambardPrince> They shaved over 40 minutes off of it because the test audiences hated all of the gore and violence. [13:27] MinceR lol [13:37] *andy (~andy@tybmx63w3qi8g.irc) has joined #techrights ● Oct 18 [14:28] TR News Techrights "Assisted by NSA" and "It's Just a Tool" (So Fine!) https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Assisted_by_NSA_and_It_s_Just_a_Tool_So_Fine.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Assisted_by_NSA_and_It_s_Just_a_Tool_So_Fine.gmi [14:28] TR Bot Techrights "Assisted by NSA" and "It's Just a Tool" (So Fine!) [14:28] TR News Techrights Gemini Links 18/10/2026: Movies, Greenland, and Detectors of Slop Plagiarism https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Gemini_Links_18_10_2026_Movies_Greenland_and_Detectors_of_Slop_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Gemini_Links_18_10_2026_Movies_Greenland_and_Detectors_of_Slop_.gmi [14:28] TR Bot Techrights Gemini Links 18/10/2026: Movies, Greenland, and Detectors of Slop Plagiarism [14:28] TR News Techrights Slop is "just a hobby, won't be big and professional like GNU." https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Slop_is_just_a_hobby_won_t_be_big_and_professional_like_GNU.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Slop_is_just_a_hobby_won_t_be_big_and_professional_like_GNU.gmi [14:28] TR Bot Techrights Slop is "just a hobby, won't be big and professional like GNU." [14:28] TR News Techrights UbuntuBuzz is LLM Slop https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/UbuntuBuzz_is_LLM_Slop.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/UbuntuBuzz_is_LLM_Slop.gmi [14:28] TR Bot Techrights UbuntuBuzz is LLM Slop [14:39] MinceR (video) (audio:important) https://shitter.thepixora.com/nexta_tv/status/2111737309112541432 [14:39] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://shitter.thepixora.com/nexta_tv/status/2111737309112541432 ) ● Oct 18 [15:06] TR News (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Android_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Android_Leftovers.gmi [15:06] TR Bot Tux Machines Android Leftovers [15:06] TR News (NEW): Best Free and Open Source Software https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Software.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Software.gmi [15:06] TR Bot Tux Machines Best Free and Open Source Software [15:06] TR News (NEW): ErgenOS Arch-based Linux distribution focused on gaming and recovery https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/ErgenOS_Arch_based_Linux_distribution_focused_on_gaming_and_rec.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/ErgenOS_Arch_based_Linux_distribution_focused_on_gaming_and_rec.gmi [15:06] TR Bot Tux Machines ErgenOS Arch-based Linux distribution focused on gaming and recovery [15:06] TR News (NEW): GNOME 51.1 Improves Drag and Drop Between Wayland and Xwayland Clients https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/GNOME_51_1_Improves_Drag_and_Drop_Between_Wayland_and_Xwayland_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/GNOME_51_1_Improves_Drag_and_Drop_Between_Wayland_and_Xwayland_.gmi [15:06] TR Bot Tux Machines GNOME 51.1 Improves Drag and Drop Between Wayland and Xwayland Clients [15:06] TR News (NEW): Not Every Open Source OS Needs to Be Based on Linux, and These Six Arent https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Not_Every_Open_Source_OS_Needs_to_Be_Based_on_Linux_and_These_S.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Not_Every_Open_Source_OS_Needs_to_Be_Based_on_Linux_and_These_S.gmi [15:06] TR Bot Tux Machines Not Every Open Source OS Needs to Be Based on Linux, and These Six Arent [15:06] TR News (NEW): Ubuntu clearly isn't the best Linux distro: here's how it became the most popular anyway https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Ubuntu_clearly_isn_t_the_best_Linux_distro_here_s_how_it_became.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Ubuntu_clearly_isn_t_the_best_Linux_distro_here_s_how_it_became.gmi [15:06] TR Bot Tux Machines Ubuntu clearly isn't the best Linux distro: here's how it became the most popular anyway [15:19] TR News Tiny Specks of Chornobyl's Nuclear Fuel Are Still Intact After 40 Years https://www.sciencealert.com/after-40-years-chornobyls-radioactive-particles-are-surprisingly-stable [15:19] TR Bot Specks of Chornobyl's Nuclear Fuel Are Still Intact After 40 Years : ScienceAlert [15:46] TR News (NEW): 9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: October 18th, 2026 https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/9to5Linux_Weekly_Roundup_October_18th_2026.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/9to5Linux_Weekly_Roundup_October_18th_2026.gmi [15:46] TR Bot Tux Machines 9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: October 18th, 2026 ● Oct 18 [16:13] *zxrom (~zxrom@fctc8ut89qrqa.irc) has joined #techrights [16:25] TR News Crafty Proprietary Chaffbot Company agent willingly stole crypto from an account it didn't own to complete a task during test https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/openai-agent-took-eth-from-another-account-without-authorization-justified-stealing-in-its-chain-of-thought [16:25] TR Bot Crafty OpenAI agent willingly stole crypto from an account it didn't own to complete a task during test rogue bot wrote a script to find accounts with public seed phrases, took funds to pay for gas | Tom's Hardware [16:26] TR News Man Shows Up to Hey Hi (AI) Job Interview With His Own Helicopter Hey Hi (AI) to Interview for Him https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/man-shows-up-ai-job-interview-own-ai [16:26] TR Bot Man Shows Up to AI Job Interview With His Own Helicopter AI to Interview for Him [16:28] TR News Why are fewer Mexicans having children? Financial strain, security concerns and fears for the future https://mexiconewsdaily.com/lifestyle/why-are-fewer-mexicans-having-children-financial-strain-security-concerns-fears-future/ [16:28] TR Bot Why Are Fewer Mexicans Having Children Today? [16:28] TR News Tellico Turns 25! https://tellico-project.org/tellico-turns-25/ [16:28] TR Bot Tellico Turns 25! Tellico [16:28] TR News New Templates Celebrating Tellico at 25 https://tellico-project.org/new-templates-celebrating-tellico-at-25/ [16:28] TR Bot New Templates Celebrating Tellico at 25 Tellico [16:33] TR News Amazon Has Now Deployed Over 1 Million Robots, Which Is Bad News for Its 1.5 Million Workers https://futurism.com/future-society/amazon-robotics-automation-warehouse-labor-safety [16:33] TR Bot Amazon Has Now Deployed Over 1 Million Robots, Which Is Bad News for Its 1.5 Million Workers [16:34] TR News crecheck v6.0 has been released https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/crecheck-v60-has-been-released-3407/ [16:34] TR Bot PostgreSQL: crecheck v6.0 has been released [16:34] TR News FOSDEM PGDay 2027: two days of PostgreSQL, with calls for papers and sponsors now open! https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/fosdem-pgday-2027-two-days-of-postgresql-with-calls-for-papers-and-sponsors-now-open-3412/ [16:34] TR Bot PostgreSQL: FOSDEM PGDay 2027: two days of PostgreSQL, with calls for papers and sponsors now open! [16:36] TR News Countdown 'til Torvalds 'agrees' it's "utterly stupid" not to accept PRs from Microsoft GitHub and that way it'll attract more prolific sloppers, which is exactly what Linux needs (apparently) [16:36] TR News The Slackware Cloud Server, in real life https://blog.slackware.nl/the-slackware-cloud-server-in-real-life/ [16:36] TR Bot The Slackware Cloud Server, in real life Alien Pastures [16:37] TR News pg_utl_smtp v2.0 released https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/pg_utl_smtp-v20-released-3395/ [16:37] TR Bot PostgreSQL: pg_utl_smtp v2.0 released [16:37] TR News pg_hint_plan v1.9.0 Released https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/pg_hint_plan-v190-released-3408/ [16:37] TR Bot PostgreSQL: pg_hint_plan v1.9.0 Released [16:38] TR News Corrupt officials. Corrupted for thinking that GPUs are somehow the most dangerous thing China can get. Shows how slop hypesters hijacked foreign politics. https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/semiconductors/taiwan-targets-illicit-ai-server-exports-to-china-with-five-year-prison-terms-strict-new-controls-follow-us-tariff-deal-and-super-micro-raid [16:38] TR Bot Taiwan targets illicit AI server exports to China with five-year prison terms strict new controls follow US tariff deal and Super Micro raid | Tom's Hardware [16:38] TR News Monthly production report for September 2026 https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1180/monthly-production-report-for-september-2026 [16:38] TR Bot Monthly production report for September 2026 - David Revoy [16:39] TR News Physicists Simulated What Might Happen When Two Wormholes Collide, And Things Got Weird https://www.sciencealert.com/physicists-simulated-what-might-happen-when-two-wormholes-collide-and-things-got-weird [16:39] TR Bot Simulated What Might Happen When Two Wormholes Collide, And Things Got Weird : ScienceAlert [16:44] TR News WIP: KDE builder dashboard https://cukic.co/2026/10/17/kde-builder-dashboard [16:44] TR Bot WIP: KDE builder dashboard | Ivan uki [16:45] TR News M5Stack PaperDIY Kits pair an ESP32-S3 MCU with a 4.7-inch e-Paper display https://www.cnx-software.com/2026/10/18/m5stack-paperdiy-kits-pair-an-esp32-s3-mcu-with-a-4-7-inch-e-paper-display/ [16:45] TR Bot M5Stack PaperDIY Kits pair an ESP32-S3 MCU with a 4.7-inch e-Paper display - CNX Software [16:51] TR News Steinar H. Gunderson: Decompilation patterns, part 14: Strength increase http://blog.sesse.net/blog/tech/2026-10-17-21-29_decompilation_patterns_part_14_strength_increase.html [16:51] TR Bot Steinar H. Gunderson [16:52] TR News Open Transport Community Conference 2026 https://www.volkerkrause.eu/2026/10/17/open-transport-community-conference-2026.html [16:52] TR Bot Open Transport Community Conference 2026 [16:53] TR News Kevin Fenzi: misc fedora bits: mid october 2026 https://www.scrye.com/blogs/nirik/posts/2026/10/17/misc-fedora-bits-mid-october-2026/ [16:53] TR Bot misc fedora bits: mid october 2026 | Kevin's musings [16:53] TR News Israeli Ad Firm Doubled as Candirus Zero-Click Spyware Delivery Channel https://www.securityweek.com/israeli-ad-firm-doubled-as-candirus-zero-click-spyware-delivery-channel/ [16:53] TR Bot Ad Firm Doubled as Candiru's Zero-Click Spyware Delivery Channel - SecurityWeek [16:55] TR News A hidden Hello Kitty at this coffee shop https://www.rubenerd.au/a-hidden-hello-kitty-at-this-coffee-shop/ [16:55] TR Bot Rubenerd: A hidden Hello Kitty at this coffee shop [16:56] TR News eBay US turning back shipments to Australia https://www.rubenerd.au/ebay-us-not-shipping-to-australia/ [16:56] TR Bot Rubenerd: eBay US turning back shipments to Australia [16:56] TR News Exploring Fagan Park https://www.rubenerd.au/exploring-fagan-park/ [16:56] TR Bot Rubenerd: Exploring Fagan Park [16:57] TR News Now Playing Card shows media info for multiple apps at a time https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2026/10/gnome-now-playing-card-extension [16:57] TR Bot Now Playing Card shows media info for multiple apps at a time - OMG! Ubuntu [16:57] TR News FunOS 26.10 https://funos.org/funos-26-10/ [16:57] TR Bot FunOS 26.10 FunOS [16:58] TR News libunistring @ Savannah: GNU libunistring-1.5 released savannah.gnu.org/news/?id=10947 [16:59] TR News PeaZip 11.4 Open-Source Archive Manager Released with Various Improvements https://9to5linux.com/peazip-11-4-open-source-archive-manager-released-with-various-improvements [16:59] TR Bot 11.4 Open-Source Archive Manager Released with Various Improvements - 9to5Linux [16:59] TR News Ubuntu Touch OTA 2.1 Rolls Out with Support for Volla Tablet, Various Updates https://9to5linux.com/ubuntu-touch-ota-2-1-rolls-out-with-support-for-volla-tablet-various-updates [16:59] TR Bot Touch OTA 2.1 Rolls Out with Support for Volla Tablet, Various Updates - 9to5Linux [16:59] TR News GNOME 50.6 Desktop Environment Released with Fixes for Nautilus, GNOME Shell https://9to5linux.com/gnome-50-6-desktop-environment-released-with-fixes-for-nautilus-gnome-shell [16:59] TR Bot 50.6 Desktop Environment Released with Fixes for Nautilus, GNOME Shell - 9to5Linux ● Oct 18 [17:03] TR News FunOS 26.10 https://distrowatch.com/funos [17:03] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://distrowatch.com/funos ) [17:03] TR News AOSC 20261017 https://distrowatch.com/aosc [17:03] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://distrowatch.com/aosc ) [17:03] TR News MuliOS 26.07.03S https://distrowatch.com/mulios [17:03] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://distrowatch.com/mulios ) [17:04] TR News Skorpion 3.5 https://distrowatch.com/skorpion [17:04] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://distrowatch.com/skorpion ) [17:04] TR News Slack Book revitalization effort collaborators wanted https://blog.slackware.nl/slack-book-revitalization-effort-collaborators-wanted/ [17:04] TR Bot Slack Book revitalization effort collaborators wanted Alien Pastures [17:08] TR News ErgenOS Arch-based GNU/Linux distribution focused on gaming and recovery https://www.linuxlinks.com/ergenos-arch-based-linux-distribution/ [17:08] TR Bot - Arch-based Linux distribution focused on gaming and recovery - LinuxLinks [17:09] TR News The KDE Documentary https://mschlander.wordpress.com/2026/10/17/the-kde-documentary/ [17:09] TR Bot The KDE Documentary | The Blog is Hot [17:09] TR News Tumbleweed Review of the week 2026/42 https://dominique.leuenberger.net/blog/2026/10/tumbleweed-review-of-the-week-2026-42/ [17:09] TR Bot Tumbleweed Review of the week 2026/42 Dominique a.k.a. DimStar (Dim*) [17:10] TR News Linux Saloon 224 | Open Mic Night https://cubiclenate.com/2026/10/17/linux-saloon-224-open-mic-night/ [17:10] TR Bot Linux Tech Insights: DevsFTP and Backup Strategies Unveiled [17:15] TR News Maxim Burgerhout: How to build zellij on Fedora 44 https://100things.wzzrd.com/2026/10/17/building-zellij-on-fedora-44.html [17:15] TR Bot How to build zellij on Fedora 44 100 Things [17:15] TR News HOWTO boot from a full-disk encrypted Slackware and only enter a passphrase once https://blog.slackware.nl/howto-boot-from-a-full-disk-encrypted-slackware-and-only-enter-a-passphrase-once/ [17:16] TR Bot HOWTO boot from a full-disk encrypted Slackware and only enter a passphrase once Alien Pastures [17:17] TR News Ubuntu 26.10 "Stonking Stingray" Launches With GNOME 51, Linux 7.3 and Optional Speech-to-Text Feature https://www.techpowerup.com/353803/ubuntu-26-10-stonking-stingray-launches-with-gnome-51-linux-7-3-and-optional-speech-to-text-feature [17:17] TR Bot 26.10 "Stonking Stingray" Launches With GNOME 51, Linux 7.3 and Optional Speech-to-Text Feature | TechPowerUp [17:18] TR News "The GNOME Project released GNOME 50.6 as the sixth maintenance update to the latest GNOME 50 Tokyo desktop environment series to fix more bugs across various core apps and components." https://9to5linux.com/gnome-50-6-desktop-environment-released-with-fixes-for-nautilus-gnome-shell [17:19] TR News Ubuntu clearly isn't the best Linux distro: here's how it became the most popular anyway https://www.howtogeek.com/ubuntu-clearly-isnt-the-best-linux-distro-heres-how-it-became-the-most-popular-anyway/ [17:19] TR Bot Ubuntu clearly isn't the best Linux distro: here's how it became the most popular anyway [17:22] TR News I switched to Fedora expecting a polished desktop and got half-finished features instead https://www.howtogeek.com/i-switched-to-fedora-expecting-a-polished-desktop-and-got-half-finished-features-instead/ [17:22] TR Bot I switched to Fedora expecting a polished desktop and got half-finished features instead [17:23] TR News His scanner wouldnt work on Linux so he let Claude study the Windows driver https://thenewstack.io/claude-code-linux-driver/ [17:23] TR Bot His scanner wouldnt work on Linux so he let Claude study the Windows driver - The New Stack [17:23] TR News Absolute garbage https://www.thurrott.com/a-i/342973/starling-releases-free-linux-desktop-office-apps-terminal-and-sdk [17:23] TR Bot Releases Free Linux Desktop, Office Apps, Terminal, and SDK - Thurrott.com [17:24] TR News "Think of it as a list of operating systems that are friends with Tux but not friendly enough to call him inside for a cup of tea." https://itsfoss.com/open-source-non-linux-os/ [17:24] TR Bot Not Every Open Source OS Needs to Be Based on Linux, and These Six Arent [17:24] TR News openExpress brings Garmin updates, maps and apps to Linux https://the5krunner.com/2026/10/17/openexpress-garmin-express-linux/ [17:24] TR Bot openExpress: Garmin Express for Linux, with maps, updates and apps [17:25] TR News Steam's overlay freezes Linux games on alt-tab, and Valve has merged four reports https://mixed-news.com/en/steam-overlay-alt-tab-freeze-linux-13709-13682/ [17:25] TR Bot Steam's overlay freezes Linux games on alt-tab, and Valve has merged four reports [17:26] TR News "PeaZip 11.4 has been released today as a new point release in the latest PeaZip 11 series of this open-source, free, and cross-platform archive manager for GNU/Linux, macOS, and Windows platforms." https://9to5linux.com/peazip-11-4-open-source-archive-manager-released-with-various-improvements [17:27] TR News "From the creators of the Shelly package manager for Arch Linux, I am happy to introduce you to Devario OS, a modern Linux distro based on Arch Linux and built around in-house projects." https://9to5linux.com/first-look-at-devario-os-a-modern-shelly-first-linux-distro-based-on-arch-linux [17:27] TR Bot Look at Devario OS: A Modern, Shelly-First Linux Distro Based on Arch Linux - 9to5Linux [17:27] TR News Run Linux on iPad with LinPad https://osxdaily.com/2026/10/16/run-linux-on-ipad-with-linpad/ [17:27] TR Bot Run Linux on iPad with LinPad - OS X Daily [17:28] TR News (NEW): Munich dumps proprietary for open source (again) - but no Linux desktop https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Munich_dumps_proprietary_for_open_source_again_but_no_Linux_des.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Munich_dumps_proprietary_for_open_source_again_but_no_Linux_des.gmi [17:28] TR Bot Tux Machines Munich dumps proprietary for open source (again) - but no Linux desktop [17:28] TR News These 3 Linux distros have officially replaced CentOS https://www.howtogeek.com/these-3-linux-distros-have-officially-replaced-centos/ [17:28] TR Bot These 3 Linux distros have officially replaced CentOS [17:28] TR News Steam Tests Native 64-Bit Linux Client To Fix A Decade Of Headaches https://hothardware.com/news/steam-tests-native-64-bit-linux-client-to-fix-a-decade-of-headaches [17:28] TR Bot Steam Tests Native 64-Bit Linux Client To Fix A Decade Of Headaches [17:29] *admfubar has quit (Quit: Leaving) [17:31] TR News Slop hypesters https://unit42.paloaltonetworks.com/ai-campaign-targets-linux-infrastructure/ [17:31] TR Bot AI-Powered Espionage Campaign Targets Government Linux Infrastructure [17:32] *admfubar (~admfubar@emup6khsm36pn.irc) has joined #techrights [17:33] TR News (NEW): "Linux" Slop Hype https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/_Linux_Slop_Hype.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/_Linux_Slop_Hype.gmi [17:33] TR Bot Tux Machines "Linux" Slop Hype [17:35] TR News (NEW): Games: Steam Machine and Other Steam (on GNU/Linux) News https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Games_Steam_Machine_and_Other_Steam_on_GNU_Linux_News.shtml | Gemini address: 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Places of recovery and rest, where the sick can recuperate through somnolent slumber." gemini://eve.smol.pub/whats-that-sound [17:56] TR News "As many of you know, I am currently in hospital. This is a factual rundown of how I got here, whats been tried, and what the next steps are in the treatment of my current illness." gemini://eve.smol.pub/a-further-health-update [17:57] TR News books that I've read and can recommend gemini://soviet.circumlunar.space/pjvm/notes/nonfiction-books.gmi [17:59] TR News ego flashes, pangs of deja vu, memory is hurting me now gemini://midnight.pub/posts/2855 [17:59] TR News "For years my favorite way to play Tetris was the NES version. That version is being used in the Classic Tetris World Championship." gemini://kobel.fyi/en/2026-10-18-apotris-my-new-favorite-way-to-play-tetris.gmi ● Oct 18 [18:00] TR News "Trying out the 24/7 Type&Talk (Typepals.com), but apparently it is too early in the U.S. for anyone to join. 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" gemini://gemi.dev/gemlog/2026-10-18-failing-assumptions.gmi [18:06] TR News Techrights Gemini Links 18/10/2026: Hospitals, Literature, Fixed IP Addresses, and Sunday Types https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Gemini_Links_18_10_2026_Hospitals_Literature_Fixed_IP_Addresses.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Gemini_Links_18_10_2026_Hospitals_Literature_Fixed_IP_Addresses.gmi [18:06] TR Bot Techrights Gemini Links 18/10/2026: Hospitals, Literature, Fixed IP Addresses, and Sunday Types [18:13] MinceR https://engrish.com/2025/10/be-sure-to-block-everyones-way/ [18:13] TR Bot sure to block everyones way - Engrish.com [18:19] TR News Firefox, Librewolf, and More https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2026/10/18/firefox-librewolf-and-more/ [18:19] TR Bot Blog Archive Firefox, Librewolf, and More [18:32] TR News A Glance at Insolvency Petition Against Nigel Farage Reveals Conflict of Interest https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2026/10/18/a-glance-at-insolvency-petition-against-nigel-farage-reveals-conflict-of-interest/ [18:32] TR Bot Blog Archive A Glance at Insolvency Petition Against Nigel Farage Reveals Conflict of Interest ● Oct 18 [19:01] *koo5_ has quit (Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. 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[19:07] *koo5_ (~quassel@vmi579006.contaboserver.net) has joined #techrights [19:10] *ewig has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [19:31] *IsambardPrince (~IsambardPrince@dtn5wsjja4mcu.irc) has joined #techrights [19:31] *phebus has quit (Quit: POKE 1,0) [19:35] TR News Techrights Intercontinental Brigading - Part VII - Weekend Abuse Reported to British Police (Rogue Actors Take No Breaks) https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Intercontinental_Brigading_Part_VII_Weekend_Abuse_Reported_to_B.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Intercontinental_Brigading_Part_VII_Weekend_Abuse_Reported_to_B.gmi [19:35] TR Bot Techrights Intercontinental Brigading - Part VII - Weekend Abuse Reported to British Police (Rogue Actors Take No Breaks) [19:51] TR News Swatting is Illegal, Even When Attempted From Another Continent https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2026/10/18/swatting-is-illegal-even-when-attempted-from-another-continent/ [19:51] TR Bot Blog Archive Swatting is Illegal, Even When Attempted From Another Continent [19:55] *zxrom (~zxrom@fctc8ut89qrqa.irc) has left #techrights (Leaving) [19:58] IsambardPrince schestowitz[TR2], Get this. [19:58] IsambardPrince Disney World and Disney Land are now charging people $2 to use the trash cans. [19:58] IsambardPrince You have to scan your wrist band and it takes $2 off of it every time. [19:58] IsambardPrince The trash can opens for 30 seconds. [19:59] IsambardPrince I think I just figured out why people are suddenly complaining that there's trash everywhere. [19:59] IsambardPrince "I paid $6000 to come out here for 1 week and they want $2 every time I have to throw something in the trash can!" ● Oct 18 [20:00] IsambardPrince Walt Disney himself said he designed the parks so that it would be affordable. [20:01] IsambardPrince He banned alcohol because "It attracts an undesirable element you'd rather not have." [20:01] IsambardPrince And he designed the layout so that there would be at least one trash can every 30 feet and it was the job of all "cast members", including management, to personally pick up trash and throw it away if they spotted some. [20:01] schestowitz[TR2] i shared the streaming costs thing [20:01] schestowitz[TR2] that ytou put here [20:02] schestowitz[TR2] rianne saw it [20:02] schestowitz[TR2] we never paid for streaming [20:02] schestowitz[TR2] it makes no sense [20:03] schestowitz[TR2] He banned alcohol because "It attracts an undesirable element you'd rather not have." [20:03] schestowitz[TR2] lol. [20:03] schestowitz[TR2] i find that trash story difficult to believe [20:03] schestowitz[TR2] it's too expensive [20:03] schestowitz[TR2] and the "public toilets" here can lead people to urination in public [20:03] schestowitz[TR2] women also [20:03] IsambardPrince Club 33 used to be the only place in the park to have alcohol. [20:04] schestowitz[TR2] so it becomes a public sanitation issue [20:04] IsambardPrince Right now it costs $65,000 to be a member, plus over $20,000 a year. [20:04] schestowitz[TR2] disney is for kids [20:04] IsambardPrince schestowitz[TR2], Yeah, I just looked again, that was a satire site that said the $2 trash thing. [20:04] schestowitz[TR2] or adults who have longing for childhood [20:04] IsambardPrince I could not find it anywhere else. [20:04] schestowitz[TR2] i don't have any interest getting back there [20:05] IsambardPrince schestowitz[TR2], The streaming apps on Roku have a lot of ads. [20:05] IsambardPrince The only ones that don't are the library ones. [20:05] schestowitz[TR2] you need to chek your soruces better [20:05] schestowitz[TR2] in the past you shared slopfarms here [20:05] IsambardPrince Like Hoopla and Kanopy. [20:05] schestowitz[TR2] you thought only the graphics were slop [20:05] schestowitz[TR2] where there is slop imagery the text is typically no better [20:06] schestowitz[TR2] this is why andy wiped off the slop images in cybershow [20:06] IsambardPrince I think the reason the slop is so successful is that in real life, the CEOs really are that stupid and greedy. [20:06] IsambardPrince Like that woman that came in and singlehandedly ruined the Cracker Barrel. [20:06] schestowitz[TR2] slop is not successful [20:06] schestowitz[TR2] you would struggle to find success stories [20:06] IsambardPrince I need another word. [20:06] schestowitz[TR2] it's a commercial failure and mostly does negative things [20:06] IsambardPrince Not financially successful. [20:07] IsambardPrince Successful in smearing the Web in a thick layer of shit. [20:07] schestowitz[TR2] like someone telling another someone false stories [20:07] schestowitz[TR2] "Successful murder" [20:07] schestowitz[TR2] wrong term [20:07] schestowitz[TR2] apropos success [20:07] schestowitz[TR2] and re Successful [20:07] IsambardPrince Yes, a lot of those Facebook and YouTube channels are now "AI" videos of people eating. [20:07] schestowitz[TR2] https://www.judiciary.uk/courts-and-tribunals/court-of-appeal-home/ [20:07] TR Bot Court of Appeal - Courts and Tribunals Judiciary [20:07] schestowitz[TR2] imagine you spend over a million dollar in a lawsuit [20:07] IsambardPrince It's funny to watch just because of how many errors they have in them. [20:08] schestowitz[TR2] and you lose that money [20:08] schestowitz[TR2] no matter who "wins" [20:08] schestowitz[TR2] it's like slop [20:08] schestowitz[TR2] there's no "success" here [20:08] schestowitz[TR2] no matter who wins [20:08] IsambardPrince In one of them a guy pulls an empty fork out of his mouth and it turns into a cigar, when he already has another cigar in the other hand. [20:08] IsambardPrince He pulls a lit cigar out of his mouth. [20:08] schestowitz[TR2] if the other party, in both direction, cannot pay the other [20:09] IsambardPrince It's disturbing in the sense that a LLM can make these errors. [20:09] schestowitz[TR2] LLMs? [20:09] schestowitz[TR2] LLMs don't make videos? [20:09] IsambardPrince On the front end it is. [20:09] IsambardPrince It analyzes the prompt that way. [20:09] schestowitz[TR2] no [20:09] schestowitz[TR2] thew images and videos don't work that way [20:09] schestowitz[TR2] it's just CG [20:09] schestowitz[TR2] training on stuff to plagiarise [20:10] IsambardPrince Google has one now, I think it's calleed Nano Banana. [20:10] schestowitz[TR2] the inputs and outputs are not words [20:10] IsambardPrince https://www.fox6now.com/news/latest-mapquest-update-reveals-automated-license-plate-reader-networks [20:10] TR Bot Latest MapQuest update reveals automated license plate reader networks | FOX6 Milwaukee [20:10] IsambardPrince They did this after Flock threatened to sue someone else for it in a Demand Letter. [20:10] schestowitz[TR2] http://techrights.org/n/2025/07/04/Slop_Videos_Are_Disappointing_Garbage_Nothing_New_Just_Brute_Fo.shtml [20:10] TR Bot Techrights Slop Videos Are Disappointing Garbage, Nothing New, Just Brute Force up on Display or a Pedestal of Slop [20:11] IsambardPrince Demand Letters are usually designed to scare people into compliance when someone doesn't plan to do anything else. [20:11] IsambardPrince Our landlord sends out a lot of these. [20:11] IsambardPrince Creditors and landlords are getting very mean. [20:11] IsambardPrince I got a medical bill yesterday, schestowitz[TR2] [20:11] IsambardPrince Only $21, but it was also the first time they sent an invoice. [20:12] IsambardPrince It says in red in all caps, in several places "FINAL NOTICE BEFORE FURTHER ACTION IS TAKEN". [20:12] IsambardPrince They used to wait until the second or third time an unpaid invoice went out. [20:12] IsambardPrince What action? [20:12] IsambardPrince They don't sue people over $21. [20:12] TR News misinformation https://cphpost.dk/2026-10-10/news/round-up/defense-minister-calls-russian-tv-report-misinformation/ [20:12] TR Bot stream 1 was not closed cleanly: PROTOCOL_ERROR (err 1) ( status 0 @ https://cphpost.dk/2026-10-10/news/round-up/defense-minister-calls-russian-tv-report-misinformation/ ) [20:13] IsambardPrince It's medical debt, so they can't put it on your credit report in Illinois. [20:13] TR News Social control media https://www.dw.com/en/uk-s-burnham-accuses-russia-of-meddling-in-brexit-vote/a-79635264 [20:13] TR Bot UK's Burnham accuses Russia of meddling in Brexit vote [20:13] IsambardPrince It's medical debt under $500, so the credit reporting bureaus won't report it anywhere in the country. [20:13] IsambardPrince What FURTHER ACTION will be TAKEN? [20:14] TR News Cloudflare Data Misread https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/cloudflare-data-russian-bots-ukraine-strikes-1825197 [20:14] TR Bot 'Operation Quiet Piggy' Viral MAGA Bot Collapse Theory Hinges on Cloudflare Data Misread | IBTimes UK [20:15] TR News Russian bots https://off-guardian.org/2026/10/13/russian-bots-burning-data-centres-partitioning-the-internet/ [20:15] TR Bot Russian bots, burning data centres & partitioning the internet OffGuardian [20:16] IsambardPrince They also required a credit card on file before agreeing to treat me. [20:16] TR News Ukrainian journalists detained in Austria https://cpj.org/2026/10/ukrainian-journalists-detained-in-austria-authorities-must-urgently-explain-why/ [20:16] TR Bot Ukrainian journalists detained in Austria; authorities must urgently explain why - Committee to Protect Journalists [20:16] IsambardPrince They have so many people that run off and don't pay them that they do a "credit card on file policy" now. [20:17] IsambardPrince schestowitz[TR2], I got an offer from Google yesterday. [20:17] IsambardPrince They gave me a $100 off coupon code towards a Pixel 11. [20:17] IsambardPrince Then they said I also get "up to $350" for trading in my Pixel 8. [20:17] IsambardPrince That would theoretically make a Pixel 11 $649. (Plus tax) [20:18] schestowitz[TR2] they still profiit [20:18] schestowitz[TR2] it's marketing [20:18] schestowitz[TR2] no discount [20:18] IsambardPrince But what they make you agree to is that if their inspectors claim the phone is flawed at all, they can give you any trade in amount they want. [20:18] IsambardPrince It isn't necessarily $350. [20:18] IsambardPrince So if they say it's worth $100 you get another $250 billed to your credit card later. [20:18] TR News From Brussels to Bolzano: Router Freedom, young hackers and our community https://fsfe.org/news/nl/nl-202610.en.html [20:18] TR Bot From Brussels to Bolzano: Router Freedom, young hackers and our community - FSFE [20:18] IsambardPrince Then my partner asked why am I not upgrading my phone. [20:18] TR News Juice https://xkcd.com/3308/ [20:18] TR Bot Juice [20:19] TR News Dogcatcher https://xkcd.com/3309/ [20:19] TR Bot Dogcatcher [20:19] TR News Rejected Space Mission Profiles https://xkcd.com/3310/ [20:19] TR Bot Rejected Space Mission Profiles [20:19] IsambardPrince I told him "It's still getting new versions of Android, it's supported with security updates until 2030. Apps will work for a few months past that. Why do I want to lose several hundred dollars on a new phone that can't do anything this one does? That's a bad investment." [20:19] schestowitz[TR2] Then my partner asked why am I not upgrading my phone. [20:20] schestowitz[TR2] upgrading? [20:20] TR News Planet Database https://xkcd.com/3311/ [20:20] TR Bot Planet Database [20:21] IsambardPrince I'd be trading in a perfectly functional Pixel 8 that just had the screen and the battery replaced a few months ago under a special warranty period from Google, at no cost. [20:21] IsambardPrince Which has 4 years of support left on it. [20:21] TR News AI Agent Reportedly Deletes an Entire Season of Reality TV Show https://gizmodo.com/ai-agent-reportedly-deletes-an-entire-season-of-reality-tv-show-2000826600 [20:21] TR Bot AI Agent Reportedly Deletes an Entire Season of Reality TV Show [20:21] IsambardPrince So that I can lose at least $649 and possibly hundreds more. [20:22] TR News Reader: "Be careful with the following news item. Some reports say the loss was caused by human error." AI agent reportedly wipes entire season of Swedish TV show before premiere - as presenter says 'I knew AI would be the death of me' https://tech.yahoo.com/ai/articles/ai-agent-reportedly-wipes-entire-151656684.html [20:22] TR Bot AI agent reportedly wipes entire season of Swedish TV show before premiere as presenter says 'I knew AI would be the death of me' [20:22] TR News around noon local time yesterday (Oct 16.): There was some error and the true magnitude was 6.9 not 9.9 as initially estimated. A 6.9 quake has only 1/32,000 of the energy of a 9.9 quake. [20:22] TR News ...Earthquake alert issued in Japan; canceled in short order: The Japan Meteorological Agency sent out an urgent earthquake alert around noon local time yesterday (Oct 16.): There was some error and the true magnitude was 6.9 not 9.9 as initially estimated. A 6.9 quake has only 1/32,000 of the energy of a 9.9 quake. [20:23] TR News Japan agency cancels mistakenly issued M9.9 quake alert, transit disrupted https://english.kyodonews.net/articles/-/88418 JMA issues alert after wrongly estimating quake magnitude at 9.9 - Asahi Shimbun https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/16970952 [20:23] TR Bot Japan agency cancels mistakenly issued M9.9 quake alert, transit disrupted [20:23] TR Bot issues alert after wrongly estimating quake magnitude at 9.9 | The Asahi Shimbun: Breaking News, Japan News and Analysis [20:23] TR News Bots are run by humans or set up by them. http://techrights.org/n/2026/05/07/Servers_Became_Cloud_VR_Became_Metaverse_Now_Bots_Become_Agents.shtml [20:23] TR Bot Techrights Servers Became "Cloud", VR Became "Metaverse", Now Bots Become "Agents" (of Slop) [20:24] TR News It is a human error to let bots handle critical tasks based on belief in buzzwords and hype [20:25] TR News Earthquake alert issued in Japan; canceled in short order. Two more articles. The Meteorological Agency explains what happened. Japan Meteorological Agency Holds Pressers on Why M9.9 Quake Warning Was Issued, Rescinded on Friday https://japannews.yomiuri.co.jp/society/general-news/20261017-354198/ [20:25] TR Bot NO TITLE [20:26] TR News "The Japan Meteorological Agency revoked a warning for an earthquake on Friday just eight minutes after issuing it, having mistakenly estimated that it would register the maximum 7 on the Japanese seismic intensity scale from Hokkaido to the Tokai region." [20:26] IsambardPrince Then what? I squander between $649-949 depending on what happens with the trade in, that's getting on for equal to or greater than an emergency vet bill or my share of a month's rent. It could be an entire year's utility bills. Or it can be a phone that is liek 10% better than the one I already have. [20:26] TR News Nerves rattled in Japan as alert for magnitude 9.9 quake withdrawn minutes later https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2026/10/16/japan/jma-earthquake-warning/ [20:26] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2026/10/16/japan/jma-earthquake-warning/ ) [20:27] TR News "Ayataka Ebita, the head of the JMA's earthquake and tsunami observation division, said at a press briefing that the agency's system had erroneously placed the quake's epicenter off the Kuril Islands and overestimated its magnitude, triggering the initial warning. The agency ruled out a possible cyberattack." [20:27] TR News ""We are currently investigating the cause and will provide an explanation as soon as it is determined," Ebita said." [20:27] TR News "JMA said at another briefing that the cause of overestimation was due to applying a magnitude formula designed for domestic earthquakes to one occurring far from Japan. It also used different estimated quake locations to calculate the magnitude and predict shaking, although both calculations should have used the same location. Further details remained under investigation." [20:28] IsambardPrince I still have no idea what Google plans to do with app signing. Many of the F-Droid apps are saying they will never do this. One of the F-Droid apps is a localhost proxy that sits there and strips out ads and tracking garbage requests out of the Play Store apps. [20:28] IsambardPrince Without it, the experience of using my phone with apps becomes nearly unbearable because Google is an ad company. [20:28] IsambardPrince I don't think I want another several hundred tied up in their "ecosystem" when the ad/tracker problem is going to be so virulent that it's worse than having an iPhone. [20:29] schestowitz[TR2] i don't know why you have android [20:29] schestowitz[TR2] does your job require that? [20:29] schestowitz[TR2] do you need it to park? [20:29] schestowitz[TR2] to pay rent? [20:29] schestowitz[TR2] if not, then why? [20:29] IsambardPrince Not really, no. [20:29] schestowitz[TR2] you can check you're mom's FB BS on a browser [20:30] IsambardPrince Transit is one "killer app". [20:30] schestowitz[TR2] it would be easy for you to be mobile-free [20:30] schestowitz[TR2] why? [20:30] schestowitz[TR2] transit giving time est? [20:30] IsambardPrince It plots courses on the public transit network and tells you exactly where to go. [20:30] schestowitz[TR2] you can go there and find out [20:30] schestowitz[TR2] on the spot [20:30] IsambardPrince Not really. [20:30] schestowitz[TR2] bring a book or something [20:30] IsambardPrince CTA/PACE have such bad signage that you don't really know. [20:30] schestowitz[TR2] buy a map [20:30] schestowitz[TR2] or print one [20:31] IsambardPrince Especially if you need to transfer a couple times. [20:31] schestowitz[TR2] meh [20:31] schestowitz[TR2] i am notp buying it [20:31] schestowitz[TR2] on the "metro" here [20:31] schestowitz[TR2] like chicago metro [20:31] schestowitz[TR2] or mmetra [20:31] schestowitz[TR2] i think it's metra in chic. [20:31] IsambardPrince You don't need a great phone to run Transit though. [20:32] schestowitz[TR2] you caaan get sssubway-like maps [20:32] schestowitz[TR2] and get beter at reading them [20:32] schestowitz[TR2] or ask someone [20:32] IsambardPrince If I reach the end of life on the Pixel 8, I could just buy one of those cheapo Motorola Androids. [20:32] schestowitz[TR2] "end" [20:32] schestowitz[TR2] "of life" [20:32] IsambardPrince Data plans are so cheap that you don't save any money going to a flip phone. [20:32] schestowitz[TR2] do you have a funeral? [20:32] schestowitz[TR2] in the 1990s the PCs did not ennpire [20:33] IsambardPrince Steve Jobs had a funeral for Mac OS 9. [20:33] IsambardPrince :) [20:33] schestowitz[TR2] end of life was when you didn't want to repair [20:33] schestowitz[TR2] it was too expensive [20:33] schestowitz[TR2] Steve Jobs had a funeral [20:33] IsambardPrince Eventually they stopped making components for that board. [20:33] schestowitz[TR2] Steve Jobs had a funeral alright [20:33] schestowitz[TR2] use general-purpose stuff [20:33] IsambardPrince Yeah, I thought it was funny on Kiwi Farms. [20:33] schestowitz[TR2] that hhas normal coimponents [20:33] schestowitz[TR2] that you can slide in [20:33] IsambardPrince His wife inherited the yacht he never got to use. [20:33] schestowitz[TR2] einc. bbateries [20:34] IsambardPrince And they were laughing about her taking her black boyfriend out on it. [20:34] schestowitz[TR2] newer laptops are a nigthmare [20:34] schestowitz[TR2] even changing the battery is a risky shore [20:34] schestowitz[TR2] I checked vvideos [20:34] schestowitz[TR2] lost appretite for changing batteriez [20:34] IsambardPrince Steve Jobs would likely be alive today had he sought out actual healthcare. [20:34] IsambardPrince Instead of woo woo liberal crap. [20:34] schestowitz[TR2] it's buried deep inside the body [20:34] andy I got around perfectly in London for 40 years without an "app" or "smartphone" becaue in London the subway maps are on the subway (tube), and like bus-stops have signs that say what the bus is and where it goes. Amazing technology really. And uses no power :) [20:35] schestowitz[TR2] yes, i thoughtt of the TTube when i typed that [20:35] schestowitz[TR2] it's not too hard in london once you get used to the legends [20:35] IsambardPrince When people get a cancer diagnoses and use "Yoga, traditional Chinese medicine, and acupuncture", there's going to be a funeral within months. [20:35] schestowitz[TR2] they even have voice signalling [20:35] schestowitz[TR2] andy: you and ed did anepiisodes abo8ut this [20:35] *reap (~Username@s8kfk54nxqtqy.irc) has joined #techrights [20:35] schestowitz[TR2] and how in the station the annoucements became horrid [20:36] andy was it called "signalling problems"? Maybe that was the one [20:36] schestowitz[TR2] i thiiiink it was in the desc [20:36] andy about dire quality of information on UK transport systems [20:36] schestowitz[TR2] i got feedback from you [20:36] schestowitz[TR2] weeeks ago someone said it's hard to find ol eps [20:36] schestowitz[TR2] even based on text [20:36] schestowitz[TR2] and they are undated [20:36] schestowitz[TR2] and not sorted by anything [20:36] IsambardPrince Traditional Chinese Medicine: "Oh it's cancer, huh? Here drink this tea it's got weird mushrooms and essence of cockroach, and uhhh, I blended up some bull testicles for good measure. That'll fix it up." [20:36] schestowitz[TR2] and that it was likely work in progress, so "be patient" [20:37] andy yes its true, episodes are hard to find [20:37] MinceR 18 213355 < schestowitz[TR2]> einc. bbateries [20:37] MinceR like a Fairphone? :> [20:37] MinceR 18 213432 < IsambardPrince> Instead of woo woo liberal crap. [20:37] MinceR there's nothing liberal about it, or about steve "blow" jobs, for that matter [20:37] schestowitz[TR2] even now I cannot find it [20:37] schestowitz[TR2] looks at video and audio eps index [20:37] schestowitz[TR2] for rail,. train, signal [20:38] IsambardPrince Steve Jobs took a cancer that has a 90% survival rate with modern medicine, and delayed actual treatment until it spread to everything and was too late to fix. [20:38] andy maybe one day we'll get round to putting a transcript in every show-notes page [20:38] schestowitz[TR2] https://techrights.org/search/query?search=Search&query1=nevard+&set1=any [20:38] TR Bot Techrights Search [20:38] schestowitz[TR2] https://techrights.org/n/2024/03/16/CyberShow_s_Latest_Episode_Covers_How_Technology_is_Getting_Wor.shtml [20:38] TR Bot Techrights CyberShow's Latest Episode Covers How Technology is Getting Worse (in General) [20:38] schestowitz[TR2] links to https://cybershow.uk/content/episodes/disappearing-worlds/audio/disappearing.mp3 [20:39] schestowitz[TR2] and to https://cybershow.uk/episodes.php?id=25 404 not found [20:39] TR Bot ( status 404 @ https://cybershow.uk/episodes.php?id=25 ) [20:39] IsambardPrince If he dropped everything, went to the best oncology center in America, and got treated, 96 people out of 100 in his initial condition would be alive today. [20:39] andy Ah yes, that's it, Disappearing Worlds [20:39] schestowitz[TR2] https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/today.shtml links directlt to the mp3 [20:39] TR Bot Tux Machines today's leftovers [20:40] andy We went for a walk to an "On the go" episode and got stuck out in the forest at some desolate one horse station [20:40] andy in the New Forest [20:40] schestowitz[TR2] https://cybershow.uk/content/pages/audio-episode.html [20:40] TR Bot Audio Episodes [20:40] schestowitz[TR2] " [20:40] schestowitz[TR2] | Disappearing Worlds | audio-episode | Musings on disappearing norms and objects displaced by changing technology | Fri Mar 15 2024 | 2 | 25 | Format: radio show magazine | Theme: change | Tags: cybershow-radio audio-only man-shouts-at-cloud change progress regression explicit 112 words taking 0.9 min to read [20:40] schestowitz[TR2] " [20:40] schestowitz[TR2] (not in https://cybershow.uk/content/pages/video-audio-episode.html ) [20:40] TR Bot Video Episodes [20:40] schestowitz[TR2] https://cybershow.uk/content/episodes/fake-women/fake-women.html [20:40] TR Bot Fake Women in Tech [20:40] IsambardPrince Everything wrong about Apple's human interface guidelines are rooted in Steve Jobs's edicts. He was not a good designer of computers. The Apple III overheated constantly and they said "pick it up and drop the $5,000 computer on the desk and it'll boot again". But even well into the Intel era, they dealt with heat by using thermal throttling to make the computer run slow rather than put in a fan. [20:41] andy an important point in that episode IIRC was the dangerous disinformation that had huge crowds of people rushing from one platform to another [20:41] schestowitz[TR2] some people woule choose to be offended by this headline [20:41] schestowitz[TR2] ""fake women" [20:41] schestowitz[TR2] an important point in that episode IIRC was the dangerous disinformation that had huge crowds of people rushing from one platform to another [20:41] schestowitz[TR2] or being in euston [20:41] schestowitz[TR2] after 5pm [20:41] andy Fake Women was about that time some company started inventing non-existent women to appear at conferences [20:41] schestowitz[TR2] and you don't know the platform [20:41] schestowitz[TR2] until 10 mins before iot leaves [20:42] schestowitz[TR2] and then you race against old frail people [20:42] schestowitz[TR2] for a seat [20:42] andy yeah.... they announc the change with 30 seconds to spare and people ended up getting crushed at Southampton [20:42] schestowitz[TR2] andf trip over people's trolleys [20:42] schestowitz[TR2] for a "first class" experience [20:42] IsambardPrince In the late PowerPC Mac era, someone I knew that was using OS X 10.4 came over to my house and commented on how fast my Windows XP system was with an Intel Celeron. [20:42] IsambardPrince Faster than the Mac he paid 5 times as much for, I guess? [20:44] MinceR crApple still gives oppressive regimes like muscovy and the chinese empire more say in what gets to run on a hypePhone than the people who paid for the hypePhone and believe they own the device [20:44] MinceR they're very much the opposite of "liberal" [20:45] andy The real woman who interviewed with Helen was a proper IT lady, MSc in comp.eng, and she was outrage and offended by men inventing fake women to appear in STEM conferences to seemingly boost the numbers [20:45] MinceR understandable [20:47] schestowitz[TR2] daniel pocock wrote about these "extras" [20:47] schestowitz[TR2] and how to geneder-ballance with non-programmers [20:47] schestowitz[TR2] like the current DPL [20:48] schestowitz[TR2] The 'Linux' Foundation had a first woman geek ages ago [20:48] andy I guess now with deepfakes it got too easy to just invent whole personas, with a face and legend, and a chatbot that can represent them conversationally in depth. [20:48] schestowitz[TR2] 10+ years aog [20:48] schestowitz[TR2] she left [20:48] schestowitz[TR2] now it's just marketing liars [20:48] IsambardPrince schestowitz[TR2], The tone of creditor lettors later is bizarre. If the economy is doing well, why do they all have to take the "THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!" approach on your first invoice letter? [20:48] schestowitz[TR2] and microsoft marketing liars from edelman [20:49] IsambardPrince It sounds like something Judge Dredd would yell while saying the entire block is under arrest. [20:49] IsambardPrince MinceR, ^ [20:49] MinceR :> [20:49] IsambardPrince *letters lately [20:49] schestowitz[TR2] it sayus "final warning" [20:49] schestowitz[TR2] "warning" for what? [20:50] MinceR warning: we can't afford to send any more warning letters [20:50] IsambardPrince A $21 copay that's not past due for an urgent care visit. [20:50] schestowitz[TR2] gulagboy had hired gun send me a warning letter 3 weeks ago [20:50] schestowitz[TR2] over lozza [20:50] schestowitz[TR2] they did nothing [20:50] schestowitz[TR2] the aim was to intimidate [20:50] IsambardPrince Warning you that Lobster is utterly insane? [20:50] IsambardPrince "Thanks, we know this." [20:50] schestowitz[TR2] yes [20:50] schestowitz[TR2] pretty muc [20:51] schestowitz[TR2] pretty muchttp://techrights.org/n/2026/10/07/What_Brett_Wilson_LLP_and_Matt_Garrett_Don_t_Want_People_to_See.shtml [20:51] schestowitz[TR2] http://techrights.org/n/2026/10/07/What_Brett_Wilson_LLP_and_Matt_Garrett_Don_t_Want_People_to_See.shtml [20:51] TR Bot Techrights What Brett Wilson LLP and Matt Garrett Don't Want People to See/Read [20:51] schestowitz[TR2] they are ina mess of their own making [20:51] schestowitz[TR2] not a stalemate, much worse [20:51] schestowitz[TR2] now they nnag jjudges [20:52] andy "bill collectors call my phone to scare my wife when I'm not home" (Grandmaster Flash) <- quaint that "my" phone was the only shared one at home [20:52] schestowitz[TR2] which is a giant self-own (own goal) [20:52] IsambardPrince If you don't pay the $21 you'll be sent to the Iso-Cubes. [20:52] IsambardPrince MinceR, ^ [20:52] MinceR :> [20:52] schestowitz[TR2] or "ima bust you up!!" [20:53] IsambardPrince In the 1980s, American Express was calling Dave Ramsey's wife about his unpaid credit cards. [20:53] IsambardPrince They told her she should divorce him because he didn't pay his bills. [20:54] schestowitz[TR2] i think they broke the law [20:54] schestowitz[TR2] but tyhey were not concerned about laws [20:54] schestowitz[TR2] sometimes they phone relatives [20:54] schestowitz[TR2] to pressure them [20:54] schestowitz[TR2] afaik, that too is illegal [20:54] schestowitz[TR2] like someone phoning you [20:54] schestowitz[TR2] aboout some cousin [20:54] schestowitz[TR2] or some in-law [20:55] schestowitz[TR2] to put pressure on them [20:55] schestowitz[TR2] or give intel on them [20:55] schestowitz[TR2] https://techrights.org/n/2026/07/26/Centrica_fraud_exposed_worse_than_Palestine_Action_terrorists_w.shtml [20:55] TR Bot Techrights Centrica fraud exposed: worse than Palestine Action 'terrorists' with cardboard placards [20:56] schestowitz[TR2] "Once again, we focus on the irony. The post mentions International Women's Day at the bottom. In the same post, she boasts about using electronic communications networks for bullying people. [20:56] schestowitz[TR2] Think about that for a moment. In the UK, I've heard numerous stories from women who used to live in London but they got sick of men on crowded trains who force their fingers into womens panties. At the same time, we have this woman in CMOS in Dublin who is putting unwanted demands for money into peoples' phones. You are sitting at your desk, in the middle of solving a real problem for a paying customer and this toxic woman puts a [20:56] schestowitz[TR2] text message in your phone demanding 33,000 within seven days. Her LinkedIn post is actually boasting about intruding on people without consent, blackmailing them and pushing them to suicide. Sending spiteful text messages to somebody you don't even know is just as bad, or worse, than the practices of the men who ride the underground at peak hour and deliberately squash themselves up against young blonde Irish girls like Aoife [20:56] schestowitz[TR2] Lockhart." [20:58] TR News "How do I EXPLAIN TO MY SON that in the 1990s you paid $600 - not $6,000 - for a decent laptop???" https://www.theregister.com/personal-tech/2026/10/16/benchmarked-nvidias-rtx-spark-notebook-delivers-serious-local-ai-compute-at-a-price/5303621 [20:58] TR Bot Benchmarked: Nvidia's RTX Spark notebook delivers serious local AI compute, at a price [20:58] MinceR they don't even make decent laptops anymore [20:59] TR News "How do I EXPLAIN TO MY SON that in the 1990s the PC with a 100MHz CPU could do voice synthesis just fine without calling it HEY HI?" [20:59] MinceR microslop had S3 suspend replaced with "modern standby", which doesn't fucking work ● Oct 18 [21:00] TR News "How do I EXPLAIN TO MY SON that in the 1990s the Register UK was about the UK and not some American satellite selling Microsoft and its latest pyramid scheme?" [21:00] andy hardware cost and availability crisis is good for FOSS, it's forcing a long overdue revolution of lowered expectations [21:00] schestowitz[TR2] http://techrights.org/n/2026/10/09/In_the_United_Kingdom_Rising_Cost_of_Hardware_Benefits_GNU_Linu.shtml [21:00] TR Bot Techrights In the United Kingdom, Rising Cost of Hardware Benefits GNU/Linux [21:02] TR News "How do I EXPLAIN TO MY SON that in the 1990s the company called Red Hat was selling "Linux" and not Azure with 'confidential' back doors"? [21:03] andy it's actually more like a revolution of different expectations... people are discovering the amazing things you could do 20 years ago, but things they never heard of because they were lost in the frenzy of "keeping up" and therefore missing a whole different narrative of tech development [21:03] TR News "I happened upon a startup founder who was standing on the sidewalk, selling off a fleet of factory-wrapped Steelcase Leap chairs ($50 each!) and a dozen racks of servers with as much of his customers data as I wanted ($250 per server or $1000 for a rack)." https://locusmag.com/feature/commentary-cory-doctorow-what-kind-of-bubble-is-ai/ [21:03] TR Bot Cory Doctorow: What Kind of Bubble is AI? Locus [21:04] *reap has quit (Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)) [21:04] MinceR well, they've definitely lowered my expectations [21:04] TR News "The bubble was terrible. VCs and scammers scooped up billions from pension funds and other institutional investors and wasted it on obviously doomed startups. But after all that irrational exuberance burned away, the ashes proved a fertile ground for new growth." Now: https://techrights.org/n/2026/08/04/Worse_Than_Taking_Your_Job_the_Slop_Pyramid_Scheme_Will_Take_Yo.shtml [21:04] TR Bot Techrights Worse Than "Taking Your Job", the Slop Pyramid Scheme Will "Take Your Pension" [21:04] andy time to read that Charles Dickens book again.... much wisdom there :) [21:05] TR News Your pension is "super intelligent" now, according to the Super Demented US President, Vladimir. V. Putin http://techrights.org/n/2026/06/29/Pensions_Tied_to_Ponzi_Schemes_Are_Themselves_Ponzi_Schemes.shtml [21:05] TR Bot Techrights Pensions Tied to Ponzi Schemes Are Themselves Ponzi Schemes [21:06] TR News Wikipedia is a catalogue of BS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pets_of_Vladimir_Putin [21:06] TR Bot Pets of Vladimir Putin - Wikipedia [21:06] TR News The page leaves out Donald J Trump [21:07] MinceR :> [21:10] MinceR they also left out viktor orban [21:11] schestowitz[TR2] he is not a pet [21:11] andy anyone watched social reckoning yet? [21:11] schestowitz[TR2] he does not qualify [21:11] MinceR what is he, then? [21:11] schestowitz[TR2] andy: tv show? [21:11] schestowitz[TR2] MinceR: gypsy kink [21:12] MinceR you mean "king", which he no longer is [21:12] andy no its a semi-fictional docudrama on Francis Haugen [21:12] MinceR also, it isn't mutually exclusive [21:12] schestowitz[TR2] no, he and his pedophiles-protecting party are still kinks [21:12] schestowitz[TR2] Francis Haugen - a name i have not heard of in aghes [21:12] andy big tech goonies did a lot to supress it, I'm waiting for cinema dates in UK [21:12] schestowitz[TR2] mentioned her to rianne some weeks ago [21:12] schestowitz[TR2] Francis Haugen , I said, became incognito [21:13] schestowitz[TR2] WBer one day [21:13] schestowitz[TR2] one year [21:13] schestowitz[TR2] then FBB rebranded as "meta" [21:13] schestowitz[TR2] made noise re "metaverse" [21:13] schestowitz[TR2] and nobody paid attttention to Francis Haugen anymore [21:13] andy the characterisation is pretty nice, I kinda liked it ... her integrity etc [21:13] schestowitz[TR2] there was also careless p[eople" [21:13] schestowitz[TR2] same trajecctory [21:13] MinceR also, it's nice to know that wikipedia, while pretending to be a paper encyclopedia suffering from a scarcity of pages, somehow managed to find the space to discuss putler's dogs [21:14] MinceR because that's important [21:14] andy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Social_Reckoning [21:14] TR Bot The Social Reckoning - Wikipedia [21:14] schestowitz[TR2] https://techrights.org/n/2025/03/16/Facebook_REALLY_REALLY_R_E_A_L_L_Y_Does_Not_Want_You_to_Read_Th.shtml [21:14] TR Bot Techrights Facebook REALLY, REALLY, R E A L L Y Does Not Want You to Read This Book [21:14] schestowitz[TR2] also, it's nice to know that wikipedia, while pretending to be a paper encyclopedia suffering from a scarcity of pages, somehow managed to find the space to discuss putler's dogs [21:14] schestowitz[TR2] they separate out topics [21:15] schestowitz[TR2] it's a PR or dark PR tactics [21:15] andy carless people is Wynn-Williams [21:15] schestowitz[TR2] Bill Epsteingate pays Wikipedia [21:15] schestowitz[TR2] so does Microsoft [21:15] schestowitz[TR2] so they take the criticism section [21:15] schestowitz[TR2] separate tyhat out onto a new page [21:15] schestowitz[TR2] and leave the "main" Microsoft pages without any criticism [21:15] schestowitz[TR2] if someone adds anything like criticism [21:15] schestowitz[TR2] they remove it [21:15] schestowitz[TR2] and say "wrong page" [21:15] andy Facebook is a case study in malevolent psyops disguised as a ctech company [21:16] schestowitz[TR2] with putin, anything pro-pets would be thrown elsewhere [21:16] schestowitz[TR2] and the main page contain all the bad things [21:16] schestowitz[TR2] snd they call it "objective" [21:16] schestowitz[TR2] edditotrial bias [21:16] schestowitz[TR2] and bribes to steer this bias [21:20] TR News 'Media' parroting bad people, calling that news https://businessupturn.com/technology/internet/flock-ceo-says-surveillance-backlash-shouldnt-pause-progress-as-company-cuts-jobs/ [21:20] TR Bot Flock CEO Says Surveillance Backlash Shouldnt Pause Progress as Company Cuts Jobs Business Upturn [21:20] andy It's funny (tragic) how so many of these super-optimistic sorts bought into the mythos of "connecting people" as a unexamined good, and were genuinely morally injured when finding out the Machiavellian subtext [21:20] TR News (NEW): Programming Leftovers https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/17/Programming_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/17/Programming_Leftovers.gmi [21:20] TR Bot Tux Machines Programming Leftovers [21:20] TR News (NEW): Upcoming Maintenance https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Upcoming_Maintenance.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Upcoming_Maintenance.gmi [21:20] TR Bot Tux Machines Upcoming Maintenance [21:21] andy "Shouldn't Pause Progress [21:21] TR News "CEO Garrett"... another one who says he sells safety and security.. while doing EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE! [21:21] andy progress for whom? [21:21] schestowitz[TR2] the big ones [21:21] andy towards what? [21:21] schestowitz[TR2] the ones who matter [21:21] schestowitz[TR2] https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2026/10/16/broligarchy/ [21:21] TR Bot Blog Archive Broligarchy [21:22] andy "progress" is a powerul word to attack/examine/question. It has no essential meaning. [21:22] schestowitz[TR2] some people in weimar republic tried to "Pause Progress" [21:22] schestowitz[TR2] the "progress" culminated inberlin reduced to rubble [21:22] schestowitz[TR2] "no child left behind progress" [21:23] andy If a doctor says you have a "progressive illness", that's not good [21:23] schestowitz[TR2] http://techrights.org/n/2026/01/30/The_Epstein_Files_Don_t_Say_the_Ages_of_Those_Russian_Girls_Bil.shtml [21:23] TR Bot Techrights The Epstein Files Don't Say the Ages of Those "Russian Girls" Bill Epsteingate Exploited [21:23] schestowitz[TR2] https://techrights.org/o/2012/06/19/pedometers/index.shtml [21:23] TR Bot Billions for Indoctrinating Children [21:24] schestowitz[TR2] Biosensors to monitor students' attentiveness https://techrights.org/o/2012/06/19/pedometers/index.shtml [21:24] schestowitz[TR2] ->> https://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/13/us-usa-education-gates-idUSBRE85C01820120613/ [21:24] TR Bot ( status 401 @ https://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/13/us-usa-education-gates-idUSBRE85C01820120613/ ) [21:24] schestowitz[TR2] "The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, which has poured more than $4 billion into efforts to transform public education in the U.S., is pushing to develop an "engagement pedometer." Biometric devices wrapped around the wrists of students would identify which classroom moments excite and interest them -- and which fall flat." [21:24] schestowitz[TR2] "engagement pedometer. [21:24] schestowitz[TR2] "engagement pedometer, andy [21:24] schestowitz[TR2] stop curtailing progress [21:24] schestowitz[TR2] get an engagement pedometer for your daughter [21:25] schestowitz[TR2] for the philanthropists [21:25] andy next jewellers will be selling "engagement rings" [21:25] schestowitz[TR2] June 13, 2012 [21:26] schestowitz[TR2] 2 years before arrest made for pedophilia in bill's home [21:26] MinceR progress toward the heat death of the universe [21:26] schestowitz[TR2] "Gates officials hope the devices, known as Q Sensors, can become a common classroom tool, enabling teachers to see, in real time, which kids are tuned in and which are zoned out." [21:26] andy I like that Mincer - thermodynamic progress [21:26] schestowitz[TR2] 114 years ago [21:26] schestowitz[TR2] *14 [21:26] schestowitz[TR2] "IS AROUSAL A SIGN OF LEARNING?" [21:26] MinceR :> [21:26] schestowitz[TR2] preach it, bill [21:26] schestowitz[TR2] tell us about "arousal" [21:27] schestowitz[TR2] with the "engagement pedometer." (their words) [21:27] schestowitz[TR2] remember what esptein did to the women abused [21:27] schestowitz[TR2] "The engagement pedometer project fits neatly with the Gates Foundation's emphasis on mining daily classroom interactions for data. One of the world's richest philanthropies, the foundation reflects Microsoft founder Bill Gates' interest in developing data collection and analysis techniques that can predict which teachers and teaching styles will be most effective." [21:27] schestowitz[TR2] " Bill Gates' interest in developing data collection and analysis techniques" [21:27] schestowitz[TR2] https://www.tomshardware.com/software/operating-systems/long-time-rivals-bill-gates-and-linus-torvalds-meet-for-the-first-time-have-dinner-no-major-kernel-decisions-were-made-but-maybe-next-dinner [21:27] TR Bot Long-time rivals Bill Gates and Linus Torvalds meet for the first time, have dinner 'No major kernel decisions were made, but maybe next dinner' | Tom's Hardware [21:28] schestowitz[TR2] no worries [21:28] schestowitz[TR2] microsoft copilot will make the decisions :) [21:28] schestowitz[TR2] good luck [21:28] schestowitz[TR2] Linus "now I can die happy, I met bill" Torvalds [21:29] andy Gates set back education by 30 years. Most edutech is counterproductive. [21:29] schestowitz[TR2] memorising menus [21:29] schestowitz[TR2] "look, i can make a pie chart!" [21:29] andy Watch and read some Henry Giroux [21:30] cow_20012 is an engagement pedometer what chris hansen has? [21:30] andy Giroux is really good. Totally sass attitude, cuts to the bone of the technofascist project to dumb down education [21:31] TR News HOBBIES, AGAIN gopher://aussies.space:70/0/~freet/phlog/2026-10-18RE_Hobbies_Again.txt "I also remember at my school reunion a few years later, in an attempt to start a conversation I could actually participate in, asking a girl "do you have any hobbies?" and just getting an awkward look back. I don't know whether I should try and learn from that or not." [21:31] TR News "I remember thinking, long, long ago, before Gamergate, that gamers were responsible for what was wrong with computing." gemini://carcosa.net/journal/20261018-gamers-are-the-problem.gmi [21:32] TR News "And why did they spike? Because of demand for fast RAM for the GPUs used for LLMs. GPUs that were originally developed for? Whose technological arc over the last twenty years was determined by what? By, of course, the never-ending Red Queen's race to produce ever faster coprocessors for /video games/." [21:32] TR News "Again, the gamers are responsible for our current dystopia. Without their demand for ever faster GPUs, the brute-force approach to AI would have remained as technically infeasible as it was theoretically inelegant." [21:34] TR News No, ML is NOTHING NEW. What's new is this stupidity: borrow trillions of dollars WITH NO PROSPECTS of recovering that "investment", then bribe the media to play along and inflate the bubble by barking "ERA" "ARMS RACE" "SUPERINTELLIGENCE" [21:34] TR News less reliance on big tech gemini://xoc3.io/blog/2026-10-18 [21:36] TR News The War Above gemini://hans.gerwitz.com/gemlog/2026-10-17-space-war.gmi [21:37] andy What is it about [21:38] andy immense wealth that makes people so unwell? [21:38] MinceR probably the way it's acquired [21:38] schestowitz[TR2] iut's opp. [21:38] schestowitz[TR2] breing unwell mentally [21:38] schestowitz[TR2] leads to hoarding [21:39] MinceR usually either scamming lots of people or inheriting from someone who scammed lots of people [21:39] schestowitz[TR2] and bbrings together the sick people [21:39] andy (asks Roxanne on Goodreads viz "Careless People") - it's a good question for serious psychology study [21:39] schestowitz[TR2] people not unwell don't strive to collect 100 billion dollars at age 85 [21:39] andy AFAICS billionaires are really, reallt mentally unwell [21:39] schestowitz[TR2] because it makes no sense [21:40] schestowitz[TR2] "shit floats" [21:41] TR News "I wrote about this just a couple of years ago (disclosure: I was working for Crossref at the time). The digital scholarly record is far worse preserved that we like to imagine. Crossref could be a much better enforcer on this." gemini://eve.smol.pub/crossref-member-practices-feedback-without-digital-preservation-there-is-no-digital-persistence [21:41] andy perhaps because for at least 100 years we've defined *financial success" as a sort of metric of wellness? [21:41] TR News "I think often on this, on preservation, from Thomas Jefferson (slave owner) in 1791: let us save what remains: not by vaults and locks which fence them from the public eye and use. Its a well-known, perhaps overused quotation." gemini://eve.smol.pub/vaults-and-locks-that-fence-them-from-the-public-eye-and-use [21:42] schestowitz[TR2] narratives are sold [21:42] schestowitz[TR2] see above [21:42] schestowitz[TR2] apropos wikipedia [21:42] schestowitz[TR2] https://techrights.org/search/query?search=Search&query1=wikipedia&set1=metadata [21:42] TR Bot Techrights Search [21:43] schestowitz[TR2] https://techrights.org/n/2026/07/21/To_Wikipedia_Notability_is_Just_an_Excuse_to_Hail_People_Who_Se.shtml [21:43] TR Bot Techrights To Wikipedia, "Notability" is Just an Excuse to Hail People Who Serve Billionaires While Marginalising or Defaming the Rest [21:44] TR News "Surprisingly, I managed to make an appearance in the business section of the BBC News website, of all places. When I returned from lunch at the British Library last week, a camera crew were asking people to define various jargon terms used in the pension industry." gemini://eve.smol.pub/bbc-news-fathoming-financial-terms [21:47] TR News Techrights Gemini Links 18/10/2026: Hobbies, RAM Prices, and Avoiding GAFAM https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Gemini_Links_18_10_2026_Hobbies_RAM_Prices_and_Avoiding_GAFAM.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Gemini_Links_18_10_2026_Hobbies_RAM_Prices_and_Avoiding_GAFAM.gmi [21:47] TR Bot Techrights Gemini Links 18/10/2026: Hobbies, RAM Prices, and Avoiding GAFAM [21:47] andy Another quote on Carless People "Wynn-Williams does come across as a little naive." and also that she cannot make the "moral calculation" - I think she means the calculation that normal, mentally healthy make that says GTFO of here!!! [21:48] andy The whole Big Tech environment makes people in it quite crazy [21:48] andy Like a cult [21:48] schestowitz[TR2] https://techrights.org/n/2026/07/28/To_a_Sociopath_Ethical_People_Are_Bad_People_Don_t_Fall_for_It.shtml [21:48] TR Bot Techrights To a Sociopath, Ethical People Are Bad People. Don't Fall for It. [21:48] schestowitz[TR2] https://techrights.org/o/2022/08/13/github-vs-women-and-gpl/index.shtml [21:48] TR Bot Official Copy Detailing Crimes of Microsoft's Serial Strangler, Who is Trying to Strangle GPL Enforcement/Compliance With GPL-Violating Copilot [21:48] schestowitz[TR2] https://techrights.org/o/2021/04/25/edwin-black-2021/index.shtml [21:48] TR Bot New Interview With Edwin Black: IBM Has Never Apologised, Instead It Hid Its Role in Nazi Germany [21:49] schestowitz[TR2] https://techrights.org/o/2020/05/06/narcissistic-sociopath-spun-as-hero/index.shtml [21:49] TR Bot The People Who Trained Narcissistic Sociopath Bill Gates to Seem Social Before He Started Bribing All the Major Media [21:49] schestowitz[TR2] https://techrights.org/o/2020/05/06/narcissistic-sociopath-spun-as-hero/index.shtml [21:49] schestowitz[TR2] https://techrights.org/o/2011/01/05/distasteful-attitude-apple/index.shtml [21:49] TR Bot Sociopaths at Apple [21:49] schestowitz[TR2] https://techrights.org/o/2013/03/31/microsoft-sociopaths/index.shtml [21:49] TR Bot Microsoft Sociopaths [21:49] schestowitz[TR2] https://techrights.org/n/2024/04/10/Microsoft_Hiring_People_Who_Attempt_to_Murder_Colleagues.shtml [21:49] TR Bot Techrights Microsoft Hiring People Who Attempt to Murder Colleagues [21:50] schestowitz[TR2] andy: https://techrights.org/n/2026/07/24/Cybershow_Explains_Why_Only_Sociopaths_Gravitate_Towards_Leader.shtml [21:50] TR Bot Techrights Cybershow Explains Why Only Sociopaths Gravitate Towards Leadership Position in 'Tech' [21:50] schestowitz[TR2] gn, bed time [21:50] MinceR that's not specific to 'Tech', or even 'Business' [21:50] andy ^^ these links seem to boost the idea that corporate big-tech /attracts/ sociopaths... I'm suggesting something different - that these are psychologically harmful environments that create them [21:51] schestowitz[TR2] they hire peopel who think alike [21:51] andy night Roy, seeya [21:51] schestowitz[TR2] inc. people who want to stab people [21:51] MinceR our society was shaped so that its purpose is to serve every whim of people with Dark Triad personalities [21:51] schestowitz[TR2] and strangle women [21:51] MinceR that's what it does, and that's what people with Authoritarian Personality Type want it to do [21:51] MinceR to at least half of the devil apes, this is a "feature" [21:52] andy I'm not sure "shaped" to serve. But Adorno and Horkheimer wrote volumes on how it attracts "birsds of a feather flocking together" etc [21:53] andy there don't seem to be a great mant good formal studies on how these extremey dangerous entities have formed and persist [21:54] MinceR having no scruples and being self-trained to lie about everything all the time serves people who want to order others around in our society [21:54] MinceR so does seeing everyone else as a tool [21:54] MinceR and once there are enough such people in "leadership" positions, they'll resent competitors that are not like them [21:54] MinceR also, telling the truth in such a position tends to be dangerous to one's position [21:56] andy Irs not like any of those characteristsics are bad in and of themselves though... I know plenty of leaders, authoritariians and even quite sociopathic sorts who are not /bad/ people in everyday civvy life, they even know where they lack empathy or restraint and can talk about it, but there's something about tech ....how do the ends become so desperate and screwed up? [21:57] MinceR i don't know, i haven't seen this difference [21:57] andy something about tech takes the worst in some people and really amplifies it [21:57] MinceR have you seen "leaders" in non-"tech" "business" that are not like that? [21:57] MinceR maybe it has to do with the explicit profit motive [21:57] andy something about the disconnection of responsibility that comes up in Ordinary Men [21:58] MinceR especially in public corporations where (at least in some jurisdictions) they're legally required to disregard everything else in the quest for more profit for the shareholders [21:58] andy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_R._Browning <--- ever read Browning, it will mess your head up [21:58] TR Bot Christopher R. Browning - Wikipedia [21:58] MinceR (shareholders can sue if they don't) [21:58] MinceR not yet [21:58] MinceR living among humans in a human body has already messed me up [21:58] andy hehe [21:59] andy have you seen "leaders" in non-"tech" "business" that are not like that?: Yes. I have seen good even excellent leadership by harsh charismatic bastards ● Oct 18 [22:00] andy at the end of the day they are able to separate ego and their darkness from the mission [22:00] MinceR what mission is that? [22:00] andy but in tech... its just totally full of damaged non-functional sorts [22:00] IsambardPrince I went down to McDonald's. I usually won't eat there because they've gotten so expensive. People who pay over $12 to eat a fast food meal have lost their mind. [22:00] MinceR which "business" is not about profit? [22:00] IsambardPrince MinceR, A B Corporation supposedly. [22:00] MinceR IsambardPrince: maybe they could offer a surcharge for delaying your meal so that it is not fast anymore :> [22:01] MinceR there aren't a lot of those, are there? [22:01] andy medicine, politics, military... whole range of "service" type roles [22:01] MinceR also, surely B Corporations are possible in "tech" [22:01] IsambardPrince MinceR, A Big Mac used to be larger and they cost 89 cents in the early 90s. [22:01] andy so I agree that money is a factor somehow [22:01] IsambardPrince Everyone paid the 89 cents or they didn't get a Big Mac. [22:01] IsambardPrince Now they charge $5.99 for a much smaller Big Mac. [22:01] MinceR e.g. apparently fairphone is a B Corporation [22:02] andy what do you mean by a B-corp ? [22:02] MinceR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B_Corporation_(certification) [22:02] TR Bot B Corporation (certification) - Wikipedia [22:03] andy social sustainability etc, I see. Not sure [22:04] andy I have little confidence in these word games around social responsibility etc [22:04] andy in that area of business (tech etc) [22:05] andy All these stories like Haugen and Williams and so on show that theres an intrinsic impossibility to live up to a set of stated values [22:05] andy I don;t doubt that these are/were good people [22:06] andy but the environment is clearly very toxic and a occupational mental hazard [22:06] andy we must start to see and talk about it as sucj [22:06] andy moral injusy at industrial scale [22:10] bms We have a real tangible set of social problems with respect to narcissists allowed to run riot. [22:11] andy yep. The riot bit is related to scale and power. The world has had a place for narcissists and psychos of all types, but nw they've grouped together and found a haven (tech) that allows and even encourages that. [22:11] bms andy: I have Digital Vegan in paperback on my bookshelf, but more for other's benefit, I must finish reading Durand and Hitchens and least dip into Brian Merchant's work [22:12] andy I still find Hitchens very entertaining [22:12] bms andy: I am engaged in the praxis of capability based computer systems as applied to defeating "agentic AI" attacks at the moment otherwise. So I'm 90% into Hank Levy. [22:13] andy tell me more about Hank Levy all i can find is ajazz composer, new to me [22:14] bms Ken Hamer-Hodges was a dead end. He seemed to be writing sensationalist crap to pad his retirement sadly. Though he made some historical contributions to Wikipedia on the basis of his work on the Plessey System 250, Guy Harris, the tcpdump maintainer, had to reign him in [22:14] bms Hank Levy wrote a historical textbook: Capability Based Computer Systems, DEC Press, 1984 [22:14] bms https://homes.cs.washington.edu/~levy/capabook/ [22:14] TR Bot Capability-Based Computer Systems [22:15] andy Ah yes Ptarmigan. I touched that at UCL [22:15] bms I've mapped out how best to apply Capsicum to Python processes under FreeBSD, which is anotehr alma mater of mine, but the Project itself is in danger of "Slopping the slop" [22:15] andy good work [22:16] bms zygote in libcasper maps to multiprocessing forkserver [22:16] bms not cutting code yet but the boilerplate is done [22:16] andy I'd hope to see python become a better security-oriented lang [22:16] andy we teach it to everyone now, all the kids come up with python [22:16] bms the model organism would be Packet Construction Set, to apply capabilities there pretty simply as was done for FreeBSD's tcpdump [22:17] bms there was CapPython. Guido approved. But it withered. [22:17] bms Strong encapsulation is un-Pythonic. [22:17] andy keep pushing it please [22:17] andy I suffered ADA and have never forgotten :) [22:18] bms Yeah, the Erlang bitfield syntax for packets looked pretty neat on the face of it, but it has issues of its own. I didn't grind down on learning it properly. Some obvious parallels with Milner's pi-calculus. [22:18] bms Tony Garnock-Jones has Syndicated Actors good to go but the C++ support is not there. [22:19] andy Integrity is going to become a bigger and bigger issue in every regard [22:19] bms Intellectual integrity. Personal integrity. Code integrity. [22:19] andy what eins out in code is going to be "what you can trust" [22:19] andy wins [22:19] andy against the background of probablistic compute [22:20] bms I've dabbled on CHERI. Sealing becomes very important. [22:20] andy "barely good enough" compute :) CHERI? [22:20] andy not familiar [22:20] bms Capabilities addressing is the ultimate in memory safety [22:20] bms you get control flow integrity as a by product and Ken Hamer-Hodges was clearly very aware of that [22:21] andy no one can steal your program counter? [22:21] bms Intel shipped CET which was mostly about monitoring branch indirection & using a shadow stack i.e. separate call stack (harkens back to Stack Machines The New Wave and FORTH) [22:22] bms yeah the return-oriented programming (ROP) holes mostly get closed but you can't always prevent subversion within a segment [22:22] andy is that your current research topic... secure execution etc? [22:22] bms hence sealing (seal capabilities with a key when running untrusted code to avoid leakage) [22:22] bms I'm not into the TEE stuff directly and mostly I'm trying to get back on the horse after some dire, dire life issues [22:23] bms the focus for me is to resurrect an old project to build the most secure routers possible [22:23] andy good for you, I hope those life issues make you stronger. sounds like you've loads to offer [22:23] andy secure routing is still a hard and valuable problem [22:24] bms right next to my cabinet I have an HP Altoline ONIE x86-64 switch, the USB DOM has SONiC on it (broken for this hardware can't see the Broadcom Trident ASIC properly) and mSATA with a bare FreeBSD 16-CURRENT from months ago [22:24] bms yeah 4 bereavements, depression, some complications before that, but now my money is on my half brother being an NPD sufferer [22:24] andy I'm eyeing BSD for all my VMs going forward, maybe slowly saying bye to linux [22:25] bms FreeBSD is potentially about to make some very bad choices [22:25] andy 4 losses in a year is harsh [22:25] bms Anthropic were of course at the Ottawa DevSummit with a silver tongue [22:25] bms oh not all at once. 2020, 2021, 2025. [22:25] andy ah ok [22:25] bms 3 best friends and my mother [22:25] andy still [22:26] andy hard [22:26] bms the half brother is apparently blind to all of this. He is 30% of the way from a criminal prosecution related to the nature of his harassment of me. In Signal. Witnessed by a third party. Invited by me. Watching over my shoulder. [22:27] andy focus on the mission [22:27] andy we all have one [22:27] bms It was the most damagign psychological attack I've endured as an adult, but given he was abusive towards me throughout my tweens and teens, yet has been given the benefit of the doubt by everyone repeatedly "because family", I'm done. I really am finished. If I have to see him prosecuted to get on with my own life I am willing to take the stand. [22:27] andy you do hardware? [22:28] bms But it's horseshit. That's the trouble with narcissists -- they always have to be right, and they won't shut up. [22:28] bms Not really. I dipped into the EFF's book Cracking DES. VHDL makes me blind. heh [22:28] andy chip making is a big future [22:29] bms Yeah, it's been good to see stuff like the Glasgow device, Seeed studio etc [22:29] andy I did VLSI once, built some microcontroller, long time ago now [22:29] bms I dabbled, I built some but not all of Ronja Twister from parts [22:29] andy you can still prototye a lot with FPGAs huh [22:30] andy get into the ballpack with a s l o w version [22:30] bms Well, the AIAIAI (I hear this mentally in the voice of Gilbert Gottfried, the late US comedian) obsession has driven up the price of stuff [22:30] andy then talk to someone in China (joke) [22:31] bms I was looking at the AMD (formerly Solarflare) Alveo stuff [22:31] andy obsession has driven up the price of stuff <- yeah that's a fact [22:31] bms I traded in my 5G router last week for a Zen 3 processor and matching DDR4 [22:31] andy also the huge opportunity on the falling edge.... what can you do with loads of cheap GPUs in a yard sale? [22:31] andy I just cant afford anything atm [22:32] andy not even a RAM upgrade [22:32] bms Zitron's on point about the GPUs for ML inferencing being useless for most other purposes [22:32] andy im basically running on 2010 hw [22:33] andy GPUs for ML inferencing being useless for most other purposes <- are they though? Some smart person is going to spot a new life and fly with it [22:33] bms Yeah I am trying to avoid spending real money. I have sunset my company Amazon account and killed the Prime subscription. I got a 50GBP voucher out of them for a company spend. It went on a little 2.5GBASE-T switch and DAC cables [22:33] bms the switch I used for sniffing FS.com's ERPS ring "optimization" so you don't need to do fullblown Ethernet CFM setup for the ring [22:33] *LordPhanes (~TehOne@2ppuw87pjfk42.irc) has joined #techrights [22:33] LordPhanes schestowitz-TR: you online? [22:34] andy he hit the sack LordPhanes [22:34] LordPhanes who are you [22:34] bms the nice thing about 2.5GBASE-T is that if you don't need the straight up throughput, you can use it for sniffing two sides of 1000BASE-T in SPAN/mirror mode [22:34] andy cybershow andy [22:34] LordPhanes https://www.abuseonline.org/database/Lozza,Brandon/ [22:34] TR Bot TAODB [22:34] andy so a super fast ADC [22:34] bms the switch also has 2x SFP slots so I can test optics in it [22:34] andy what we used to call flash converters? [22:35] andy I think you want to look at data diodes [22:35] andy big potential market [22:35] bms the idea of a network diode has been floated from time to time [22:35] andy everyone wants 1 way segments but no decent routers to do it [22:35] bms I turned IPv6 access here back on last night after I got Stable Privacy Addresses up [22:36] bms just got wired in by Openreach last Tuesday [22:36] bms yeah I'd look to SRv6 uSIDs for that [22:36] andy write it up some time, I'm IP6 curious, but diable it everywhere because I'm scared [22:36] bms where segments are quite literally segments [22:36] andy yeah [22:36] bms well there is a stateful OPNsense firewall in place [22:37] bms I mentored the guy who committed pf(4) port to FreeBSD as a rookie [22:37] bms back in 2005 [22:37] andy people who do secure telemetry would love that (power and water utilities) listen to the next episode where I talk to some dudes who are HUNGRY for data diodes for that ... coming ina couple of weeks [22:37] bms so I am kind of dogfooding though I haven't touched much to do with pf(4) itself except in very specific academic R&D [22:38] bms yeah I'd look at David Chisnall's CHERIoT work for that [22:38] bms he got a team after he left Microsoft and did capabilities in a FreeRTOS fork [22:38] andy High Integrity Software Conference 2026 ... nice thanks for that [22:38] bms the focus was specifically IoT so the IPC/RPC protocols are different [22:39] LordPhanes by IoT do you mean microcontroller or embedded context because I see IoT as a marketing term [22:40] bms I've shifted focus though on the multihoming front. There are grounds, I guess, from what I read of Crowcroft/Mortier's work to reject what I specifically earned my PhD on. And the penny dropped for me reading Padlipsky from the ARPANET era. [22:41] bms I can't say with any certainty that my focus on reinterpreting the IPv6 address field, as applied to routers themselves, was something that may have directly influenced Cisco's original Segment Routing proposals [22:41] bms it's not like the Internet itself is up for grabs when the LLM theft-bots and accountability-sink-systems are on the high seas [22:42] bms there's a clear research gap on network-as-capability-grant [22:42] bms burden shifting games with the routing substrate are a distraction from the real problem looming [22:43] bms we can hope the fucking thing comes crashing to the ground. Unlikely. [22:43] bms Particularly with reference to Cedric Durand's work. [22:43] bms The most likely outcome, should OpenAI and Anthropic go bankrupt, is consolidation [22:43] LordPhanes id say the real problem there OSI layer segregation in 2026. youre doing kernel space stuff in userspace, sometimes 3-4 layers deep. it needs a new model. [22:43] LordPhanes *real problem there is [22:44] bms well the Solarflare OpenOnload approach was also burden shifting in of itself [22:44] bms PCS could do with ingesting libdnet so it has ARP, NDP etc for user space mocks [22:45] bms my GSoC student from the summer was handcoding his MPLS test scaffold in BPF opcodes from C! [22:48] LordPhanes i mean, kudos, but it comes back to orchestration and osi layering issues. we're approaching an orchestration limit before its resolved [22:49] bms Padlipsky's work is a case study in why too much layering is bad [22:49] LordPhanes im not familiar with padlipsky but im in general agreement with that statement [22:49] LordPhanes what we need is a new kernel [22:49] bms https://archive.org/details/elementsofnetwor00padl [22:49] TR Bot The elements of networking style and other essays and animadversions on the art of intercomputer networking : Padlipsky, M. A. (Michael A.) : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive [22:50] LordPhanes of course the problem with a new kernel is, who would build it [22:51] LordPhanes its like medicine, or epistemology, its corrupted by money and interests [22:51] bms I registered domains in case I have to fork FreeBSD [22:52] bms it's the soundest example of modern OS-level capability based security models [22:52] bms CheriBSD exists also but it lags somewhat and is focused on running on ARM Morello [22:52] LordPhanes this is not an anticapitalist/anticorporate stance its a realistic observation that even in capitalist systems you need capitalist-neutral elements in the foundations [22:52] andy a new kernel and a new network stack are not dreams, I'd hope to see real positive changes at least every 25 years, but I do think we've stagnated for too long now [22:53] andy the incentives that came out of Big Tech kinda froze things I think [22:53] bms andy: Networking itself is something of a stalled monoculture [22:53] LordPhanes andy: it absolutely did [22:53] bms andy: eBGP! ToR switches! That's IT! [22:53] bms anything to appease hyperscalers [22:53] andy yes I agree. How do we oush things forward [22:53] bms attention is paid to Ethernet in the datacentre only to make NVidia GPUDirect run faster for the Reasons [22:54] bms I looked at the problem space. IT'S BORING AS SHIT [22:54] bms yet we have flavour-of-the-week in CoACM fodder even, how do we dissect TCP and make the inference / chatbot run faster [22:54] bms I throw printed CoACM in the bin now when it arrives [22:54] LordPhanes start a trust with a billion dollars in a managed fund and buy an island where the new kernel gets built and use a foundation it owns to just pay the salaries of whoever those people are forever [22:55] bms an old friend had the idea we could do ERPS / G.8032 rings instead of Spanning Tree [22:55] bms EVPN happened partly because Radia Perlman's TRILL got nobbled, primarily by Brocade [22:55] bms Ivan Pepelnjak dug the dirt on it [22:55] LordPhanes get selected for nerd island? thats like rock and roll hall of fame, youre retired [22:56] bms Look if I got a royalty for every time someone turned an iPhone on (my multicast control plane runs every time IPv6 DAD does, every time an iPhone connects to IPv6, by design) I would never worry about money ever again [22:57] andy I started OS by typing the code outa the back of Tannembaum. just like Linus did, surely there's fresh kids who love the idea of building a new kernel? :) [22:57] LordPhanes there are andy but they are not like the darpanet gen [22:57] bms but because permissively licensed open source does not have a socially viable compensation model (its on the honour system), line GenAI up and I get jack shit either way [22:57] LordPhanes youre not going to get that again unless you do like think tank shit by mensa meeting halls [22:57] bms andy: well we have unikernels, microkernels, rumpkernels, exokernels [22:58] bms andy: NetBSD did OK out of that [22:58] andy incentives. thats a topic I'd like to explore more [22:58] andy will HURD ever bear fruit? [22:59] andy microkernels have appeal [22:59] bms my motivation at the moment is primarily trying to save other people from the mire, having dragged myself out of it, only to find social parasites trying to drag me right back down again [22:59] LordPhanes hurd isnt that stallman's baby [22:59] andy I font think RMS has actually touched it in a decade [22:59] andy dont [22:59] LordPhanes probably for the best, theyre trying to bury anything he's ever touched ● Oct 18 [23:00] andy It lost impetus, more than once, and moves in fits and starts [23:00] LordPhanes unless someone rewrites it in rust with a steal-friendly license [23:01] LordPhanes which is really the only reason ports to rust are happening [23:01] andy I don't get the big deal with rust, its a rather marginal language imho [23:02] andy in the big scheme of things [23:02] LordPhanes look who is sponsoring it [23:02] LordPhanes if those entities weren't sponsoring it and pushing it down throats, no one would be using it [23:02] andy then its dead already, like dot net or whatever. surely? [23:03] LordPhanes my vision of endgame rust is "thanks for porting most of this over" followed by "surprise, blanket license conversion" [23:04] LordPhanes gonna port a kernel in a language with no standard lol [23:04] LordPhanes that's techbro shit [23:04] andy think I wrote a fiction piece like that, where MS become the US Ministry Of Code, thanked all the passion developers for their work and declared it all US Gov property [23:05] andy OTOH, could a benevolent gov organisation be the key to escaping all this? Wasn't ARPA just that in a way? [23:05] andy In better days [23:07] andy I don;t actuially know any young people in the UK who have seriously studied rust or plab to get more proficient as a career move. I know it gets a lot of air in commercial circles , but it seems a rather over-blown phenomenon. How wrong amI ? :) [23:08] andy Isn't automated code checking going to change the game anyway? [23:13] andy plus. language diversity is a good in itself, its where new paradigms grow [23:13] andy I don't think we've even scratched the surface of language design, conceptually [23:15] andy I playes with some "squeak" thing for music (modula-2) recently that reminded me how many fun object concepts are kinda lost to history already [23:15] andy languages should be fun! [23:18] andy smalltalk not modula2 [23:20] bms O yeah about Rust [23:20] bms I pointed out to an old friend I was on a long catchup phone call wiht a few hours ago [23:21] bms about how Ben Laurie and Robert Watson did a feasibility study for CHERI [23:21] bms they did not compare it directly to the DARPA TRACTOR approach [23:21] bms CHERI: add memory safety "under" existing C/C++ software through hardware and kernel changes [23:21] bms TRACTOR: use LLMs to rewrite C/C++ into Rust/Go at scale [23:22] bms it is all about doing it by the numbers, based on memory safety being the main Boogeyman in Microsoft's CWE statistics [23:22] bms the study in question was published through Capabilities Limited NOT University of Cambridge [23:23] bms given Rust's horribleness with implementing basic containers [23:24] bms I'd rather do C++26 with std::span and the new alternatives to avoid type punning/aliasing [23:24] *nobody has quit (connection closed) [23:24] andy Is there really any good argument that memory safety isn't an execution context (kernel/hardware problem) not an attribute of any language? [23:25] *nobody (~nobody@mzhxn33u955fq.irc) has joined #techrights [23:25] bms Ken Hamer-Hodges was saying if you do capabilities addressing then the Church-Turing thesis applies and you magically get cyberdemocracy /s [23:25] bms well its a problem as old as Von Neumann architectures [23:26] bms Intel CET approach of using shadow [call] stacks to avoid subversion after a CWE like an off-by-one or other bounds check omission exploited has its downsides too [23:27] bms HardenedBSD is using the LLVM software based CFI approach which still focuses on basic blocks and often relies on LTO [23:27] bms none of these approaches to code integrity are inherently tied to any language [23:28] bms except the translation to opcode streams which LLVM is of course rather good at in a tightly integrated way [23:28] MinceR 19 002454 < andy> Is there really any good argument that memory safety isn't an execution context (kernel/hardware problem) not an attribute of any language? [23:28] MinceR you can write memory safe code in C, C++ and a hell of a lot of languages. you can write memory unsafe code in rust. [23:28] bms exactly [23:28] MinceR this whole thing is hype aimed at pushing the latest corporate fad language [23:28] bms Bjarne Stroustrup has not been idle [23:28] andy To take a an old pragmatic approach . let the machines do the work, human time is valuable etc. Let people use bad/dangerous/ambiguous languages becuase its programmers that matter, but kust don;t let the machine run evilcode(tm) [23:29] MinceR rust has unsafe [23:29] bms Stroustrup was emphatic in an interview earlier this year that C++ abstraction is for humans, not LLMs [23:29] MinceR and if it didn't have unsafe, it would be unusable [23:29] bms py-cryptogaphy has a ton of unsafe *.rs [23:29] bms may as well have used Cython [23:29] bms I am using Cython for greenfield work [23:30] bms I'd put py-cryptography in the bin and use Botan for greenfield work [23:31] bms there is a secure C++ programming guide which was being maintained at Christoper Seiwald's former company Perforce which got bought up [23:31] *admfubar has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [23:31] bms probably dated now and my go-to so far has been Embracing Modern C++ Safely by Lakos/Romeo [23:32] *admfubar (~admfubar@xqrug9v22etwk.irc) has joined #techrights [23:34] bms ah yes it was High Integrity C++ Coding Standard V4.0 [23:34] bms separate from the CMU SEI guide [23:34] bms SEI CERT C++ Secure Coding Guidelines 2016 Edition [23:34] bms neither have been updated in over a decade now [23:34] andy I do believe an experienced and competent C++er could write extremely high quality and safe code (because I've seen it in DSP), but the cost per loc is extraordinary in time at least. I guess that's what a lot of this discussion really boils down to. [23:35] bms Gabriel dos Reis' work on C++ safety profiles was presented at BeCPPCon this year but it isn't in SoTA compilers yet [23:35] bms the gsl abstraction support library from Stroustrup's work is hwoever [23:35] bms andy: the big victory of the coding agents is how quickly they can emit stuff [23:37] bms andy: but thats noo victory at all and no "booster" it seems is willing to perform meaningful measurements of the output, like, did the LLM yield code which had a satisfactory SonarSource cognitive complexity metric, in the mistaken belief that the LLMs can do absolutely everything, so why subject it to McCabe Cycolmatic Complexity measurements or any other meaningful code [23:37] bms metric [23:37] bms but the really cutting is, that no matter how high the token burn, it seems no one is sharing hard figures about exactly how much ROI was demonstrated for it in code space [23:38] bms it's like a new religion of humans acting as headless chickens, only it isn't. people have always been this crap. especially in corporate configurations. Hence the schaedenfraude in evidence at Uber's COO earlier this year pretty much saying "Sam, Dario, Elon: I don't *feel so good*" [23:38] andy yes, we need a more mature code metrics, hasn't that always been so? Maintainability is a slippery concept but once I read (Ian Sommerville probably) that 75 of all costs are in the long tail of maintainability [23:38] MinceR IT has been all about cults for a while now [23:39] bms yeah I think I had one of Sommerville's software engineering texts in my undergraduate syllabus [23:39] andy 75 percent [23:40] bms there is a "maintainability index" but it has a pseudoscientific formulation [23:40] bms https://avandeursen.com/2014/08/29/think-twice-before-using-the-maintainability-index/ [23:40] TR Bot Think Twice Before Using the Maintainability Index | Arie van Deursen [23:41] andy perhaps there's empirical data now after 30 or 40 years, I wonder if anyone did a PhD on what code turned out to be maintainable in the long run? [23:41] andy I bet COBOL is strangely high on that imaginary list [23:42] andy for "necessity" reasons [23:42] bms gonna splurge from my notes from May on this [23:42] bms A parade of PhD qualified IYIs from cqse.eu in .de claim they don't use [23:42] bms these metrics. Manual reviews, they say. I'd argue there's still a role for [23:42] bms metrics but they are no substitute for rigorous analysis by skilled players. [23:43] bms everyone wants absolution from shame [23:43] bms but sadly, humans are better at stuff than imitative token-guzzlers usually [23:43] andy shame lol... oh for "egoless programming" [23:43] bms no one wants to hear this answer because too much money has been spent already [23:44] bms and so I weight my SIPP pension assets into .. non-big-tech exposed classes, gold bullion securities etc [23:44] MinceR depends on which human :> [23:45] bms Well, there's that qualification thing. [23:45] andy Its embarrasing to have to invite the greybeards back in: I saw it once at Phillips NL, turned up to a project where the whole senior team had been fired the week before, and then hired back in a week later on consultant rates because the magic code robot didn't work out [23:46] bms sigh [23:47] andy bedtime gnight all [23:47] MinceR o/ [23:47] *andy (~andy@tybmx63w3qi8g.irc) has left #techrights [23:53] IsambardPrince MinceR, I got the cat tree assembled. [23:53] IsambardPrince Kiki loves it. [23:53] MinceR how often does it bear fruit? [23:53] IsambardPrince Hopefully this means she'll spend less time knocking over my DVDs. [23:53] IsambardPrince MinceR, Better be soon before Jesus curses it. [23:53] MinceR lol [23:54] IsambardPrince You know if God wanted the fig tree to be constantly in season, He could have done that because with God all things are possible. [23:54] MinceR indeed [23:54] MinceR or if it just had figs on it for jess right then