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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: The 15 Best Linux Bootloader for Home and Embedded Systems []Nov 18 00:13
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: New challenges for Free Software business models []Nov 18 00:21
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: One Last RC of Linux 5.4, New Features and Linux 5.5 []Nov 18 00:26
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: LibreOffice 6.4 beta 1 is available []Nov 18 00:31
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: OSMC's November update is here with Kodi 18.5 []Nov 18 00:34
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DaemonFC[m]The EPA wasn't necessarily wrong by pressuring VW to get those cars running again.Nov 18 00:41
DaemonFC[m]More than a third of the carbon footprint of a vehicle is building it in the first place.Nov 18 00:41
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming Leftovers []Nov 18 00:41
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Intel: oneAPI and IWD 1.1 []Nov 18 00:44
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: GNU: denemo 2.3, Guix on CentOS 7 and GNU World Order []Nov 18 00:47
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 3D Subscription software driving move to open source []Nov 18 01:07
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: GNU/Linux on Tablets: Ntablet and Beyond []Nov 18 01:28
DaemonFC[m] 18 01:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Pennzoil is now the recommended oil for BMW enginesNov 18 01:47
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, I've heard stories about Pennzoil Platinum. People say some engines don't like it at all since they started making it out of natural gas.Nov 18 01:48
DaemonFC[m]I can't see why, but I'll take their word for it I suppose.Nov 18 01:48
DaemonFC[m]I've heard more GM owners complain about the new synthetic Pennzoil than anyone else.Nov 18 01:48
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Huawei to develop open-source software Huawei Ecosystem []Nov 18 02:06
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DaemonFC[m]I laughed at the Flag Chevrolet salesman. He asked if I wanted to trade the Impala in. I asked him why I'd do that. It'd be on the road after anything he sold me.Nov 18 02:23
DaemonFC[m]The Service Manager was like "You'll get genuine GM parts if you take your car here.".Nov 18 02:23
DaemonFC[m]I said, "Yeah, for three times as much and they've been really flaky lately.".Nov 18 02:23
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Red Hat and Containers []Nov 18 02:28
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Audiocasts/Shows: Linux Action News and Open Source Security Podcast []Nov 18 04:19
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Hardware, Science and History []Nov 18 05:11
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Bringing PostgreSQL to Government []Nov 18 05:30
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: the stupid part with genuine GM parts and repco parts lots of them are out exactly the same molds.Nov 18 05:35
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: Yes from exactly the same factory.Nov 18 05:35
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Microsoft Claims a Monopoly Over 'Open Source' []Nov 18 05:35
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Acquia/Drupal After the Vista Equity Partners Takeover []Nov 18 05:39
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Openwashing Deception and FUD (Misusing and Badmouthing the "Open Source" Brand) []Nov 18 06:16
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: LAS 2019: A GNOME + KDE conference []Nov 18 06:49
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schestowitzzerogue: Nov 18 07:33
schestowitzzoobab: Nov 18 07:34
schestowitz> Any word on how GNOME will deal with the patent troll?  Better for themNov 18 07:34
schestowitz> to fight sw patents in general but it looks like they will make theNov 18 07:34
schestowitz> mistake of aiming for the individual troll instead.Nov 18 07:34
schestowitzit's in my next article, now a complete draft :-)Nov 18 07:34
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MinceR 18 07:58
oiaohmschestowitz: I guess you hear of that.Nov 18 08:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Open Invention Network comes to GNOME's aid in patent troll fight | ZDNetNov 18 08:09
schestowitzyesNov 18 08:11
schestowitzSJVN is  their relay pointNov 18 08:11
schestowitzalso LOT Network'sNov 18 08:11
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oiaohm   I wonder if you could do a wind turbine house roof.Nov 18 08:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Wind Farms Are Sending Giant Turbine Blades To Landfills - SlashdotNov 18 08:45
MinceR 18 08:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectNov 18 08:49
MinceRoh wow. IBM helps itself in patent lawsuit?Nov 18 08:50
MinceRi thought they were going to just let a bunch of fools crowdfund themNov 18 08:50
oiaohmMinceR: << in some ways OIN could be attempting to save face.Nov 18 08:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Shearman & Sterling - WikipediaNov 18 08:59
oiaohmThe legal team that Gnome has gone to is no joke.Nov 18 08:59
MinceRwell, of courseNov 18 09:03
MinceRsoftware development is wasted effortNov 18 09:03
MinceRit's lawyers, corruption and advertisements where profit comes fromNov 18 09:03
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: What GitHub is to Open Source []Nov 18 09:14
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: OSS Leftovers []Nov 18 09:14
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos and leftovers []Nov 18 09:18
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 18/11/2019: Last Linux RC, OSMC Updated []Nov 18 09:33
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: nuclear – desktop music player focused on free streaming []Nov 18 09:33
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in Techrights []Nov 18 09:57
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scienteswhy the hell is Russia building aluminum refineries in the interiorNov 18 10:49
scientesthat have to be supplied by railroadNov 18 10:49
scientes 18 10:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | List of aluminium smelters - WikipediaNov 18 10:50
scientes Russia Komi Aluminium Project, Sosnogorsk, Komi Republic 1,400,000 United Company of Rusal[11] (Under Construction)Nov 18 10:50
scientesThe place to build an aluminum refinery is in GeorgiaNov 18 10:50
scientesor perhaps CrimeaNov 18 10:50
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Stellaris, Fugl and Stadia []Nov 18 14:17
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Uniq Command in Linux Explained With Examples []Nov 18 14:18
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos []Nov 18 14:32
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scientesnov 17 05:05:18 <XRevan86>      This rule of thumb also works with news like "Officials say now is the time to invest in rouble"Nov 18 14:58
scientesXRevan86, yes, this is what the Russian woman I was with saidNov 18 14:58
scientesshe had "Rouble is strong" in her feed as she had a russian phoneNov 18 14:58
scienteswhich also meant she got shitty maps: as propritary as google maps, but not half as goodNov 18 14:58
scientesif you are going to go proprietary, at least get the good shitNov 18 14:59
scientesChina does the same insanityNov 18 14:59
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scientesPutin once had proposals to push people to Linux, but such projects without power and money behind them generally languishNov 18 14:59
XRevan86Yandex.Maps? I thought those are decent. Although I live in a big city.Nov 18 14:59
XRevan86I use2GIS as it works well without any Internet.Nov 18 15:00
scientesalso a russian cityNov 18 15:00
scientesOsmAND offline maps are greatNov 18 15:00
scienteseven Google felt threatenedNov 18 15:00
scientesI was at a Google user-testing session (got $100 for it), and they wanted to make sure people could figure out how to use their shitty offline maps featureNov 18 15:00
XRevan86I find the GUI to be annoyingNov 18 15:00
scientesI think they have since even made it automaticNov 18 15:00
scientesyeah, but Google has the best dataNov 18 15:01
scienteslike on stores and hoursNov 18 15:01
scientesand pictures of shopsNov 18 15:01
scientesand street viewNov 18 15:01
scientesI refuse to contribute anything, except an occasional political review however, because its totally non-freeNov 18 15:01
scientesthey just milk people---begging them for pictures of shops and pictures of posted hours howeverNov 18 15:02
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XRevan86scientes: There's a new proposal in the Duma to make bundling Russian applications mandatory.Nov 18 15:02
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scientesXRevan86, well that is exactly what I sawNov 18 15:03
scientesso I presumed it was already the caseNov 18 15:03
XRevan86Right now it isn'tNov 18 15:03
scientesshe put her phone into English after she saw mine was in Spanish ;)Nov 18 15:03
XRevan86By "russian phone" I thought you meant some of those Yandex phones that existed some years agoNov 18 15:04
scientesXRevan86, there is a 25% tariff on phones without GLONASS, which succeeded in changing all phones howeverNov 18 15:04
scientesnah, just russian androidNov 18 15:04
scienteslike china has WeChat OSNov 18 15:04
XRevan86scientes: There's no such thingNov 18 15:04
scientesandroid is freeware, so russian android is exactly what it isNov 18 15:05
scienteseven if googledNov 18 15:05
superkuhPhones are shit computers.Nov 18 15:05
scienteslike samsung have their own appsNov 18 15:05
scientessuperkuh, they are actually pretty great, but Android is a POS OSNov 18 15:05
superkuhNope.Nov 18 15:05
scientesyou can't even hardly use a SD card on androidNov 18 15:05
scientesand Linux fixed that in 1980Nov 18 15:05
scientesbefore it even existedNov 18 15:05
superkuhForm factor dictates two things: heat dissipation, energy storage.Nov 18 15:05
superkuhSmall form factor means phones suck as computers.Nov 18 15:06
XRevan86scientes: And Samsung devices will still have those hereNov 18 15:06
scientessuperkuh, battery life is far more important, and Samsung is trying their best to make them friggen supercomputers, at the expense of battery lifeNov 18 15:06
superkuhAnd that's not even getting into tcp ttl back-off due to the latency jitter in mobile wireless connections.Nov 18 15:06
XRevan86probably will some extra stuff shoved in through partnershipsNov 18 15:06
scientesXRevan86, so it was just her phone that shipped without google mapsNov 18 15:06
superkuhEr, sorry, s/ttl/rtt/Nov 18 15:07
scientesI mean, google maps is not part of the "open handset alliance", so you can ship android without itNov 18 15:07
scientes(because they know its good enough, to not need mandatory pushing)Nov 18 15:07
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superkuhMy phone's battery lasts a week or two. That's because it's a phone and not a computer.Nov 18 15:08
scientessuperkuh, oh nice, you use a feature phone?Nov 18 15:09
scientesI get 2 daysNov 18 15:09
scientesI really do like having maps in my pocket howeverNov 18 15:09
superkuhWhen I have to use any phone, yeah. Old nokia.Nov 18 15:09
superkuhI have a dedicated car GPS that does not track me.Nov 18 15:09
scientesand also I can't use GSM directly, I need SIP and WhatsApp and Telegram and Signal and hopefully some day WireNov 18 15:09
scienteswell I use OSMAndNov 18 15:10
XRevan86scientes: Was it Prestigio?Nov 18 15:10
scientesXRevan86, moto e5Nov 18 15:11
XRevan86So, LenovoNov 18 15:11
scientesno, motorolla....Nov 18 15:11
scientes(which is owned by Google)Nov 18 15:12
XRevan86scientes: Not since 2014Nov 18 15:12
scientesI need a new phone however, cause it doesn't have the 800 Mhz LTE bandNov 18 15:12
scientesXRevan86, oh, didn't know it was spun offNov 18 15:12
scientesor rather sold, to LenovoNov 18 15:12
XRevan86scientes: I meant her phoneNov 18 15:12
scientesoh, I have no friggen ideaNov 18 15:12
scientesthey all look the damn sameNov 18 15:13
scientespresigio is only 3Ah tooNov 18 15:13
scientesI want at least 4AhNov 18 15:13
scientesalong with only A53Nov 18 15:13
scientesI don't care if its friggen slowNov 18 15:13
XRevan86scientes: Prestigio's are assembled in Belarus (at least those that I know of)Nov 18 15:14
scientesoh wowNov 18 15:14
XRevan86that's the closest to a Russian phone I can think ofNov 18 15:14
scientesI should tell my Belarusian friend (however she doesn't really speak English)Nov 18 15:14
scientesso its kinda hard for us to communicateNov 18 15:14
XRevan86Well, there's Inoi, but I don't think that found any successNov 18 15:15
XRevan86And then there are numerous MNO branded devicesNov 18 15:16
scientesshe instead studied German, like a friggen SovietNov 18 15:16
scientesI guess the Soviets studied German cause it the strongest science language inside the empire?Nov 18 15:17
XRevan86scientes: Good relations with GDRNov 18 15:17
scientesbut its also the language of chemistryNov 18 15:17
scientesand of basically all science before English took over, even while the British empire was dominent in tradeNov 18 15:18
XRevan86seems plausibleNov 18 15:18
scientesI'm about to finish a book on Dutch in the 17th centuryNov 18 15:18
scientesand I have another one, when I finially get the luggage they the airline left in LisbonNov 18 15:18
XRevan86"so its kinda hard for us to communicate" scientes: How are your Russian studies? :)Nov 18 15:19
scientesA Russian couple at the hostel are nice to me, and smile at my Russian audio recordingsNov 18 15:20
scientesI'm half way through the PimsleursNov 18 15:20
scientesless in the reading partNov 18 15:20
scientesalso, I finially got to the point where Spanish reading is enjoyableNov 18 15:20
scientesand I ran into a very literate Georgian, who studied German under the soviets, English after collapse, and spent 11 years in Barcelona, and was studying 11th 12th and 16th century georgian when I met him on the black seaNov 18 15:21
scientesreally nice good guyNov 18 15:21
scientesand when I told him the US was going to collapse he immediately started asking questions, the exact right thing to doNov 18 15:21
scienteseven if he didn't want to hear thatNov 18 15:22
scientescause Georgia is extremely pro-US due to (justified) fear of RussiaNov 18 15:22
scientes*in Barcelona as a diesel mechanicNov 18 15:22
scientesRussian is a more difficult language howeverNov 18 15:23
scientesalso, these stories were extremely useful in learning spanish 18 15:23
scientesand for Russian all I have is the less interactive 18 15:24
scientesThe Polish man I met who could express his feelings in Russian learned from English on YouTubeNov 18 15:25
scientesHe also got a World Cup ticket just to travel to RussiaNov 18 15:25
scientesNow that I am getting a little more use to hearing Russian I notice the Georgians go back and forth between Russian and Georgian like Usonians with Spanish-speaking parents, which makes alot of senseNov 18 15:36
scientesRusgian?Nov 18 15:37
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Putting to Rest the Free Software/FOSS Divide []Nov 18 15:44
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 23-Way Graphics Card Comparison With Shadow of the Tomb Raider On Linux []Nov 18 15:46
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: A lot of those old 80s and 90s cars held up okay and I'd proudly drive one today.Nov 18 15:51
DaemonFC[m]BMWs start developing old car problems around age 4.Nov 18 15:52
DaemonFC[m]And they cost a fortune to fix.Nov 18 15:52
scienteshe also told me current Georgian government is pro-Russia as they were bought out, but Georgia doesn't have much in the name of a PR department, so I am completely in the dark about such thingsNov 18 15:55
scientesand with Turkey turning to Russia they really are at a loss for local friends to defend them (besides Azerbaijan)Nov 18 15:57
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: A Linux Performance Look At AMD's 16-core Ryzen 9 3950X []Nov 18 15:59
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: The first release candidate of NomadBSD 1.3 is now available! []Nov 18 16:04
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: HP Linux Imaging & Printing Drivers Now Supported on Ubuntu 19.10 and Fedora 31 []Nov 18 16:07
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scientesI am not so burned out anymore, but I am super overwhelmed by how much I am doing----my brain hurtsNov 18 16:22
scientesand the black sea is too cold to excercise inNov 18 16:23
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: App Highlight: Flameshot for Taking and Editing Screenshots []Nov 18 16:27
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schestowitzMinceR_: Nov 18 16:39
schestowitzSCP Foundation needs you! 18 16:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | SCP Foundation needs you!Nov 18 16:39
scienteswhat is the simplest english word for a scammer---ahh "scammer", that is what I wanted to sayNov 18 16:43
scientesjust got caught up into using euphamisms, just like people avoid "lie"Nov 18 16:43
scientesand those never go over well with non-native speakersNov 18 16:44
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scientesXRevan86, In South American I hardly spoke English, but here it is the lingua franca (Russian too), and I speak it every day, but haven't met a native speaker since London. I need to drop my slang, drop my euphemisms, drop pretentious latin where anglo is fine (this is not central Europe), and speak slowerNov 18 19:15
DaemonFC[m]MinceR_: I remember when I was really young and I wanted to have a Mercedes really bad.Nov 18 19:42
DaemonFC[m]But I couldn't afford one.Nov 18 19:43
DaemonFC[m]I saw one at a used car lot from the 1980s and I thought maybe I could get a good deal on it and drive it around.Nov 18 19:43
DaemonFC[m]It was pretty rough though.Nov 18 19:43
danielp3344When I first started car shopping I had a really tough set of conditionsNov 18 19:48
danielp3344Had to be a manual trans, Couldn't be a European car, Had to be moderately cool but not too beat upNov 18 19:49
danielp3344Ended up with the firebirdNov 18 19:49
DaemonFC[m]I've ended up with an odd assortment of cars over the years.Nov 18 19:49
MinceRDaemonFC[m]: lolNov 18 19:49
DaemonFC[m]My favorite was the 1996 Crown Victoria.Nov 18 19:50
MinceRi've experienced enough of mercedes-benz's attempts at making vehicles, i don't want any more of that shitNov 18 19:50
danielp3344Purely out of morbid curiosity last night I decided to test the acceleration on my truckNov 18 19:50
danielp3344All I can say is holy cowNov 18 19:50
DaemonFC[m]Shouldn't have gotten rid of it. My ex convinced me I needed a new car. I didn't. It got repossessed and he ended up redeeming the loan to avoid being sued.Nov 18 19:50
DaemonFC[m]That was the only funny part.Nov 18 19:50
MinceRthey can't make suspensions, they can't make the side of a microbus not wave in the wind, they can't ventilate the passenger compartment, they can't even make a safe busNov 18 19:50
danielp3344Even with 800lbs of junk in the bedNov 18 19:50
MinceR"german engineering"Nov 18 19:50
DaemonFC[m]I managed to add $1800 in repo fees and three months of not making my payments onto what he owes them.Nov 18 19:51
MinceRhell, they can't even make sure the upholstery doesn't peel offNov 18 19:51
danielp3344DaemonFC: I currently drive my dad's 2001 mercury grand marquisNov 18 19:51
DaemonFC[m]Good. Fuck him. He caused a disaster for me.Nov 18 19:51
DaemonFC[m]He doesn't deserve to walk away with my furniture and my car and shit without getting some sort of punishment.Nov 18 19:51
danielp3344Crown vid is nice but traction is hilariously badNov 18 19:52
danielp3344vic*Nov 18 19:52
DaemonFC[m]Yes, it was. It was terrible to drive in the winter.Nov 18 19:52
DaemonFC[m]Sometimes it would rain and my tires spun out.Nov 18 19:52
DaemonFC[m]But I liked it anyway.Nov 18 19:52
danielp3344DaemonFC: My brother almost killed both of us in that car lolNov 18 19:52
DaemonFC[m]I had to put a lot of repairs into this Impala.Nov 18 19:53
danielp3344He turned left onto a highway, floored it and did a really sharp lane change to the rightNov 18 19:53
DaemonFC[m]How many people are glad to say there was hail that hit their car and the insurance company totaled it out so they could get half of the repairs it needed done. :)Nov 18 19:53
danielp3344he got into the right lane and realized the rear wheels were still going rightNov 18 19:53
danielp3344So he yanked the wheel to the left way too hard, causing the front half to lose traction tooNov 18 19:53
danielp3344We spun a full 180, floated across both lanes at 50mph while staring at the oncoming traffic before slowly spinning back aroundNov 18 19:54
danielp3344certain people are just not qualified for oversteerNov 18 19:54
DaemonFC[m]It runs great. It has some small dents. I told my mechanic it was totaled. He said, "That's totaled.". I said yeah. He said, "What happened?". I said, "You see these little dings here?". He goes. "Yeah.". "I said those little things were a $2,000 check from the insurance people.".Nov 18 19:55
DaemonFC[m]Well, yeah, it's a rear wheel drive car with no ABS/Traction Control system. (The Crown Vic.)Nov 18 19:56
DaemonFC[m]It oversteers!Nov 18 19:56
DaemonFC[m]Sometimes, it's a feature, not a bug.Nov 18 19:56
danielp3344I did the exact same thing once and it was no big deal to correctNov 18 19:56
DaemonFC[m]You can turn the car completely around with one finger and very little effort.Nov 18 19:56
danielp3344But my brother doesn't really 'get' handling with low tractionNov 18 19:57
DaemonFC[m]I used to amuse myself on the highway with it when I got bored.Nov 18 19:57
danielp3344My firebird is RWD but stays glued to the road really wellNov 18 19:57
DaemonFC[m]It's play with the wheel a bit and make the car rock back and forth. :)Nov 18 19:57
danielp3344and the brakes are really niceNov 18 19:57
DaemonFC[m]I'dNov 18 19:58
DaemonFC[m]Daniel Peterson: Eh, Ford brakes.Nov 18 19:58
DaemonFC[m]You'll lose brake lines like crazy when it gets old.Nov 18 19:58
DaemonFC[m]Just have them replace them ALL while you're in there.Nov 18 19:58
danielp3344lmao yesNov 18 19:58
DaemonFC[m]Combines the labor for the bleeding part.Nov 18 19:58
danielp3344My truck is an 87 f150Nov 18 19:58
DaemonFC[m]I kind of want to see Ford and GM merge.Nov 18 19:59
danielp3344still doing brakesNov 18 19:59
danielp3344I got the front ones going thoughNov 18 19:59
DaemonFC[m]Then we can finally have a car that leaks everything (GM) and blows brake lines (Ford).Nov 18 19:59
danielp3344And the rear drums work fine on air :PNov 18 19:59
danielp3344DaemonFC: That is so trueNov 18 19:59
danielp3344My car had fuel leaks for a long timeNov 18 20:00
danielp3344and still has a slightly leaky heater coreNov 18 20:00
DaemonFC[m]Mom lost a brake line on the Impala.Nov 18 20:00
MinceRlolNov 18 20:01
DaemonFC[m]Well, she left it sitting at my Grandma's house between 2010 and 2014.Nov 18 20:01
MinceRFix Or Replace DailyNov 18 20:01
DaemonFC[m]The mechanics had to do a bunch of work just to make it run again.Nov 18 20:01
DaemonFC[m]She lost 3 brake lines from lot rot.Nov 18 20:02
DaemonFC[m]Then this year, she lost another one bringing the car to me.Nov 18 20:02
DaemonFC[m]So, I asked my mechanic to look at them and he says they're all good.Nov 18 20:02
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Oddly, the Crown Vic isn't unreliable at all. And it's dirt cheap to keep fixed, even at the shop.Nov 18 20:02
danielp3344^Nov 18 20:03
MinceRare brake lines redundant?Nov 18 20:03
DaemonFC[m]I lose two upper ball joints and the car started squeaking, so I rolled into the shop and had them replaced.Nov 18 20:03
DaemonFC[m]Total bill came to $190.Nov 18 20:03
DaemonFC[m]The engine purred like a kitten on almost any kind of oil you wanted to use.Nov 18 20:04
danielp3344I never let anyone else work on my carsNov 18 20:04
danielp3344<DaemonFC[m] "The engine purred like a kitten "> but it still makes a solid 220hpNov 18 20:04
DaemonFC[m]The 3800 Buick V6 has a distinct preference for Mobil 1, it seems.Nov 18 20:04
DaemonFC[m]It gets noisy on Valvoline or Pennzoil.Nov 18 20:05
danielp3344I always run the cheapest oil I can findNov 18 20:05
danielp3344and change it really oftenNov 18 20:05
DaemonFC[m]I used Quaker State on the Crown Vic, ran great, Valvoline, ran great, Motorcraft, ran great, no name bulk oil from the shop in Rogers Park, ran great.Nov 18 20:05
DaemonFC[m]It seems you really can't go too wrong.Nov 18 20:06
danielp3344I want to rebuild the firebird engine for boost. But once the engine's out of the car its going to be at least $1000 before I put it back inNov 18 20:06
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, the 4.6 V8 in the Crown Vic feels seriously overpowered.Nov 18 20:06
danielp3344It's due for a rebuild at 215kNov 18 20:06
DaemonFC[m]It's the torque!Nov 18 20:06
danielp3344But I want to DD it too..Nov 18 20:06
DaemonFC[m]But that's fine. I like overpowered engines with lots of torque.Nov 18 20:07
danielp3344DaemonFC: yeah, I just wish it was a stickNov 18 20:07
DaemonFC[m]My Crown Vic only had 114,000 on it when I gave it to mom.Nov 18 20:07
danielp3344Having 1st gear last all the way to 50 mph is really too longNov 18 20:07
DaemonFC[m]The intake manifold finally failed and it lost another brake line.Nov 18 20:07
DaemonFC[m]Seriously, if you have a Ford, get all of them replaced at once. Can't say this enough.Nov 18 20:08
DaemonFC[m]Losing a brake line will be an annual event if you do not replace them all at once when the thing is roughly 15 years old.Nov 18 20:08
danielp3344It does make a beautiful sound thoughNov 18 20:08
DaemonFC[m]There's 6 of them.Nov 18 20:08
DaemonFC[m]What? The brake pedal hitting the floor or running into whatever's in front of you at the moment?Nov 18 20:09
danielp3344DaemonFC: 1st gear at 50mphNov 18 20:09
DaemonFC[m]Well, the good thing about the Impala, MinceR, and every car has its ups and downs.Nov 18 20:09
danielp3344Mine doesn't have a tach but sound like a solid 5500Nov 18 20:09
danielp3344sounds*Nov 18 20:09
DaemonFC[m]Dual Master Cylinder means that when you lose a brake line, yeah, get off the road and call a tow truck....Nov 18 20:09
DaemonFC[m]But you shouldn't lose all braking power immediately.Nov 18 20:10
MinceRlolNov 18 20:10
DaemonFC[m]That tends to happen on a Ford.Nov 18 20:10
MinceRlosing brake lines every year is "reliable"? damn, i've been spoiled with japanese cars :>Nov 18 20:10
DaemonFC[m]You'll lose about half your braking power and the brake light will come on if you lose one line on an Impala.Nov 18 20:10
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: They just get old and rot. If you have a Ford, replace them all.Nov 18 20:11
MinceRicNov 18 20:11
DaemonFC[m]It'll never be an issue again.Nov 18 20:11
danielp3344MinceR: Yeah I love Japanese carsNov 18 20:11
DaemonFC[m]The main cause of brake line failure.....Nov 18 20:11
DaemonFC[m]Is people being cheap SOBs and not flushing the brakes every 2 or 3 years.Nov 18 20:11
DaemonFC[m]They probably wouldn't fail at 25 if people flushed the brakes every few years.Nov 18 20:12
danielp3344Why can't we have stainless brake lines?Nov 18 20:12
DaemonFC[m]It's a closed system. If water or contaminants start floating around in the brake fluid, they fail from the inside out.Nov 18 20:12
danielp3344newer crown vics have stainless fuel lines, and they pretty much never rustNov 18 20:12
DaemonFC[m]I wish I knew how I kept getting gas line freezes .Nov 18 20:14
DaemonFC[m]It was a problem on the 1995 Taurus.Nov 18 20:14
danielp3344DaemonFC: waterNov 18 20:14
DaemonFC[m]It seems like the Impala has it too.Nov 18 20:14
danielp3344Where do you live?Nov 18 20:14
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, but how? I checked the seal on the gas cap.Nov 18 20:14
DaemonFC[m]It looks good.Nov 18 20:14
danielp3344DaemonFC: well, there's still air in the gas tankNov 18 20:14
danielp3344and it has water in itNov 18 20:15
DaemonFC[m]IllinoisNov 18 20:15
DaemonFC[m]Up near Wisconsin.Nov 18 20:15
danielp3344also ethanol makes gas absorb a lot of waterNov 18 20:15
danielp3344If you replace the fuel filter it should help keep water outNov 18 20:15
DaemonFC[m]Well, they say that, but HEET is just ethanol.Nov 18 20:15
DaemonFC[m]Some slick oil company guy made the whole "ethanol will freeze your gas lines" bullshit up.Nov 18 20:15
DaemonFC[m]Because they want to scare people away from using the stuff.Nov 18 20:15
danielp3344DaemonFC: yeah, HEET absorbs water so it can pass through the system without causing as many problemsNov 18 20:16
DaemonFC[m]If it freezes your gas lines, why is HEET ethanol?Nov 18 20:16
danielp3344ethanol will not freeze your lines, but it is very hygroscopicNov 18 20:16
DaemonFC[m]The more ethanol you get in your gas, the less likely the line is to freeze.Nov 18 20:16
danielp3344DaemonFC: noNov 18 20:16
danielp3344ethanol will absorb any water near it, gasoline will notNov 18 20:16
DaemonFC[m]I'm running the car on E15 now.Nov 18 20:17
danielp3344as ethanol absorbs water its freezing point is raisedNov 18 20:17
danielp3344I do like ethanol, its a great octane boosterNov 18 20:17
danielp3344But you do have to be careful of waterNov 18 20:17
MinceRmany people like ethanol :>Nov 18 20:17
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, the car runs better on it.Nov 18 20:17
DaemonFC[m]It's got 264,000 miles and no amount of PEA cleaner is going to get all that crap out of it.Nov 18 20:17
danielp3344MinceR: vodka :PNov 18 20:18
DaemonFC[m]So there's probably a little more compression in the cylinders than there was originally. Nov 18 20:18
MinceRyeahNov 18 20:18
danielp3344Always wondered if you could make vodka strong enough to be a drink and an octane booster :PNov 18 20:18
DaemonFC[m]My mechanic suggested mid-grade gas. I've been using E15 instead.Nov 18 20:18
DaemonFC[m]I don't want to pay 20 cents more per gallon for 88 octane. Nov 18 20:19
danielp3344DaemonFC: no flex fuel right?Nov 18 20:19
DaemonFC[m]Nope. It's a 2003 though, so the EPA says E15 should be fine.Nov 18 20:19
danielp3344running a tank of E85 will clean tons of stuff out, but it'll run worse than you thought possible if its not tuned for itNov 18 20:19
danielp3344DaemonFC: use some seafoamNov 18 20:19
DaemonFC[m]Eh, they say that.Nov 18 20:19
DaemonFC[m]I had a 1995 Taurus that was falling apart around me anyway.Nov 18 20:20
danielp3344spray a whole can in the brake booster and rev the thing as high as it'll goNov 18 20:20
DaemonFC[m]Other than the Check Engine light being on for the last 50,000 miles, I ran it on E85.Nov 18 20:20
DaemonFC[m]And it was okay.Nov 18 20:20
danielp3344DaemonFC: trust me, I've done it lolNov 18 20:20
danielp3344not prettyNov 18 20:20
DaemonFC[m]I cleared the code and put gasoline in and sold it for $1,000.Nov 18 20:20
danielp3344on high performance engines it'll just lean out and melt pistons instantlyNov 18 20:20
DaemonFC[m]They say ethanol is highly corrosive, yada yada, but the 1995 Taurus was not a FFV and ran okay on it for quite some time.Nov 18 20:21
danielp3344ethanol only eats a few very specific thingsNov 18 20:21
DaemonFC[m]aluminum, for oneNov 18 20:22
danielp3344IIRC magnesium, aluminum and natural rubberNov 18 20:22
DaemonFC[m]But the Vulcan was cast iron like any decent engine is.Nov 18 20:22
*danielp3344 suddenly realizes he has one aluminum fitting on his fuel pumpNov 18 20:22
DaemonFC[m]These aluminum head engines are terrible.Nov 18 20:22
danielp3344dangNov 18 20:22
DaemonFC[m]They don't even shed that much weight off the vehicle.Nov 18 20:22
DaemonFC[m]20 pounds maybe on a V6.Nov 18 20:23
danielp3344bblNov 18 20:23
DaemonFC[m]You might get better gas mileage.Nov 18 20:23
DaemonFC[m]God help you if the engine overheats.Nov 18 20:23
DaemonFC[m]Aluminum is easier to warp than cast iron.Nov 18 20:23
DaemonFC[m]So an overheat is more likely to do serious damage.Nov 18 20:23
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Quality, on the whole, has gone down, and still BMW manages to be loads worse than anyone except FIAT and Mercedes.Nov 18 20:24
MinceR:>Nov 18 20:25
DaemonFC[m]FIAT sales in the US have gotten so bad they might not even sell them here anymore.Nov 18 20:25
DaemonFC[m]I wonder what model of car some airhead blonde who wants to drive an Italian clown car will go for next. Nov 18 20:26
MinceRthey could go for something worse: a miniNov 18 20:26
MinceRgerman clown car with british brandNov 18 20:26
MinceRor a "smart"Nov 18 20:26
MinceRgerman clown carNov 18 20:26
DaemonFC[m]Mandy looked at me the other day when someone in a FIAT got in front of me and went up the exit ramp very slowly.Nov 18 20:27
DaemonFC[m]I'm like "God damn it, get that piece of junk out of my way.".Nov 18 20:27
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: You know it's a European car when the first time it goes through the car wash, you lose the rear window wiper arm and possibly a bumper.Nov 18 20:27
MinceRlolNov 18 20:27
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Someone reviewed the local car wash.Nov 18 20:28
MinceRautomatic car washes don't seem to be recommended anymoreNov 18 20:29
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MinceRand indeed i got better service at a manual oneNov 18 20:29
DaemonFC[m]They said that the bumper fell off of the FIAT in front of them and they hit their brake, but the roller pushed their Dodge truck over it, lodging the FIAT bumper into the wheel wells of their truck, then the car behind them ran into the back of the truck.Nov 18 20:29
DaemonFC[m]My sides were splitting.Nov 18 20:29
DaemonFC[m]I shouted "Hat trick!".Nov 18 20:29
MinceRlolNov 18 20:29
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: But that wasn't the best part.Nov 18 20:31
DaemonFC[m]The bonus was that the car wash owner wouldn't let them have the security camera footage and won't return phone calls.Nov 18 20:31
DaemonFC[m]I still go there though.Nov 18 20:32
DaemonFC[m]They do a really good job on the Impala.Nov 18 20:32
DaemonFC[m]They took a picture of the bumper in their wheel well.Nov 18 20:33
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I don't really want to go to the other wash in the middle of winter.Nov 18 20:35
MinceRnext time fit the entire fiat in the wheel wellNov 18 20:35
DaemonFC[m]I had to last winter in Fox Lake because the gas pump splashed the side of my Kia.Nov 18 20:35
DaemonFC[m]The good news was I didn't have to pay for the car wash.Nov 18 20:35
DaemonFC[m]It got so cold that the nozzle broke and was spraying water everywhere without putting quarters into the machien.Nov 18 20:36
DaemonFC[m]But when I pulled up I saw flames shooting into the sky and it caught me by surprise because I didn't know there was a small refinery behind the car wash.Nov 18 20:37
MinceRlolNov 18 20:37
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Since the machine was broken and just stayed on without any money, I sprayed my car down with the soap setting for like 20 minutes, getting every nook and cranny. :PNov 18 20:37
MinceRmaybe it was a small oil rigNov 18 20:38
DaemonFC[m]Oh, I went nuts with it since it wasn't shutting off and was giving me all the free soap I wanted.Nov 18 20:38
DaemonFC[m]I was laughing. Nov 18 20:38
DaemonFC[m]Normally, I pull in and I'm not looking to spend more than $5 or so, total.Nov 18 20:39
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DaemonFC[m]So I skip rinse and just go straight to soap.Nov 18 20:39
DaemonFC[m]I use the Citgo car wash sometimes.Nov 18 20:40
DaemonFC[m]It gives you a 20 cent per gallon gas discount if you buy the $10 wash.Nov 18 20:41
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, it's a gimmick.Nov 18 20:41
DaemonFC[m]I have a 18 gallon tank, so even if I filled it up from E, I would only get $3.60 off the gas.Nov 18 20:41
DaemonFC[m]I've never had a Ford leaking oil.Nov 18 20:42
DaemonFC[m]Every GM engine I've seen leaks oil at some point. Nov 18 20:43
DaemonFC[m]Really bad gaskets.Nov 18 20:43
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XRevan86MinceR: Such hard work. I bet after his moping the floor burnt very smoothly.Nov 18 23:03
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