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cubexyzwell we mustn't be clownist Dec 18 01:24
cubexyzdid I get the contraction right I wonderDec 18 01:24
cubexyzcould not -> couldn'tDec 18 01:26
cubexyzok, I think that's rightDec 18 01:26
cubexyzthe apostrophe goes where the missing letters wereDec 18 01:28
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oiaohmThis might sound horrible but I think the FSF really kind of out lived their effectiveness.     https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html   the 4 freedoms really don't deal with hardware vendors properly.Dec 18 02:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnu.org | What is free software? - GNU Project - Free Software FoundationDec 18 02:28
oiaohmLike you can have all the 4 freedoms with software on like a Android phone that does not mean you have the freedom to put that software back on the phone.Dec 18 02:29
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r_schestowitz> Please don’t publish the following unless they disappear me :) Dec 18 04:55
r_schestowitzJust so you know, months ago BG paid my boss untold amounts of money UNDER NDA! Why? Well, they know where I work. Microsoft already phoned my boss about me, but he defended me!Dec 18 04:55
r_schestowitzWhy would BG pay my boss? Why the NDA? Why give money to a company that competes against Microsoft?Dec 18 04:55
r_schestowitzJust for you to be aware... as they might have ideas. Unless it's a coincidence.Dec 18 04:55
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cybrNautcompetitors are often partners when it comes to big corps.. both roles can exist.Dec 18 04:57
r_schestowitzyes, but... the rimingDec 18 04:58
r_schestowitza tad suspicious, but who knows...Dec 18 04:58
r_schestowitzI try not to think too far/deep into itDec 18 04:58
cybrNautI recall being told "our competitor is coming for a visit b/c we're cooperating w/them on a project, so make sure you don't leave any printouts laying about"Dec 18 04:58
r_schestowitzthat is differentDec 18 05:02
r_schestowitzthere's no "tech transfer" etc hereDec 18 05:02
r_schestowitz"Montag" is sometimes hereDec 18 05:09
r_schestowitzhe sent me something interesting..Dec 18 05:09
r_schestowitzcybrNaut: on the above issue, I might post over the weekendDec 18 05:10
r_schestowitzit'll get clearerDec 18 05:10
r_schestowitzif they try to fire or bully me at work, I don't care about that NDADec 18 05:10
r_schestowitzI never even signed itDec 18 05:10
r_schestowitz"Dec 18 05:11
r_schestowitz> Can I publish your comment?Dec 18 05:11
r_schestowitzYea sure, just block out the username, not that the editors can't find it. Log into the account through TOR and see for yourself. Go to the user-accounts-my-posts page. From other complaints, mine is not the only account that gets permanently stuck in moderationDec 18 05:11
r_schestowitz"Dec 18 05:11
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zoobababout the ING page, Bing has a cache:Dec 18 10:54
zoobabhttps://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=https%3a%2f%2fthink.ing.com%2fdownloads%2fpdf%2fopinion%2ffrance-to-get-super-portfolio-in-new-eu-commission&d=4906111154783802&mkt=de-DE&setlang=en-US&w=4hFScxGWd_m3CrDnof_d64X-ekdBvlueDec 18 10:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cc.bingj.com | ING Think | PDF | France to get super-portfolio in new EU CommissionDec 18 10:54
r_schestowitzzoobab: there are copies of the press release if that's what you meanDec 18 10:55
r_schestowitzand I linked to oneDec 18 10:55
r_schestowitzif that counts as press release at allDec 18 10:56
r_schestowitzwe can make a local copyDec 18 10:56
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MinceR18 032812 < oiaohm> This might sound horrible but I think the FSF really kind of out lived their effectiveness.     Dec 18 12:17
MinceRthey capitulated to red hatDec 18 12:17
oiaohmMinceR: really some of FSF design problems exist before redhat exists.Dec 18 12:33
oiaohmMinceR: think about it FSF/GNU has always been focused on software freedom more than hardware freedom.   With hardware freedom plans more around convert existing than in fake get the hardware made with freedom from the start.Dec 18 12:35
oiaohmfake/fact  I hate autocorrect at times.Dec 18 12:35
MinceRhttps://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/10/27/e996e7e3f38b28c8.jpgDec 18 12:40
MinceRhttp://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2019/12/13/why-nukemap-isnt-on-google-maps-anymore/Dec 18 12:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.nuclearsecrecy.com | Why NUKEMAP isn't on Google Maps anymore | Restricted DataDec 18 12:49
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/19090919Dec 18 13:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectDec 18 13:13
XRevan86MinceR: Would you really expect readability from a library?Dec 18 13:15
MinceRyesDec 18 13:16
XRevan86I'd tooDec 18 13:17
*danielp3344 's russian isn't good enoughDec 18 13:18
XRevan86danielp3344: Nani? Russo? Kie?Dec 18 13:18
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XRevan86Бяр, блё! Теген Катина!Dec 18 13:23
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MinceRrip, matrixDec 18 13:24
XRevan86.orgDec 18 13:25
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samiamsamhttps://thebaffler.com/salvos/the-long-conDec 18 14:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thebaffler.com | The Long ConDec 18 14:32
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MinceRhttps://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/10/27/85bb984c927ab2ef.jpgDec 18 16:22
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MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/19090917Dec 18 17:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectDec 18 17:24
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MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/1909092Dec 18 17:37
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danielp3344MinceR: lolDec 18 17:38
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r_schestowitztrue thoughDec 18 17:44
r_schestowitzit's the old argument of theistsDec 18 17:44
r_schestowitzno god, hence everyone kills everyone elseDec 18 17:44
MinceR:>Dec 18 17:44
MinceR% ar m GodDec 18 17:45
MinceRar: creating GodDec 18 17:45
scientesar: creando GodDec 18 17:47
scientesit is even translatedDec 18 17:47
MinceR:)Dec 18 17:48
r_schestowitzI forgot the comebackDec 18 17:52
r_schestowitzthe counterargument that is strongDec 18 17:52
r_schestowitzused to watch lots of videos about itDec 18 17:52
MinceRthat they're not good people if they need a god to keep them from committing the most evil acts they can think of?Dec 18 17:53
danielp3344wait what?Dec 18 17:53
danielp3344The universe exists therefore god doesDec 18 17:54
MinceRlolDec 18 17:54
danielp3344MinceR: proof from St Thomas AquinasDec 18 17:55
MinceRor that from this and from the fact that people (including those of the same religion as the arguer) do kill each other follows that their god doesn't exist?Dec 18 17:55
danielp3344Everything that exists is made to exist by something elseDec 18 17:55
MinceRno it is notDec 18 17:55
danielp3344therefore everything in the universe must share a common originDec 18 17:55
danielp3344That's what everyone calls GodDec 18 17:56
MinceRno, it doesn't even have to be commonDec 18 17:56
danielp3344MinceR: sure it isDec 18 17:56
danielp3344what isn't?Dec 18 17:56
danielp3344MinceR: trueDec 18 17:56
MinceRand even if aquinas calls it "God" it doesn't take upon the qualities abrahamics believe "God" hasDec 18 17:56
danielp3344but there must be some uncaused causerDec 18 17:56
danielp3344MinceR: no I'm just provide a 'God' existsDec 18 17:56
MinceRif there can be an uncaused causer, there can be any number of uncaused causersDec 18 17:56
danielp3344nothing about his natureDec 18 17:56
scientesMinceR, yeah but non-free software is always a losing propositionDec 18 17:56
danielp3344scientes: lolDec 18 17:57
danielp3344that fit amusingly wellDec 18 17:57
MinceRand if there doesn't have to be an uncaused causer then there might be no uncaused causersDec 18 17:57
MinceRso this argument leads nowhereDec 18 17:57
MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/DKfFvmg.mp4   ( https://imgur.com/gallery/DKfFvmg )Dec 18 18:04
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MinceRin fact, the whole "uncaused causer" business contradicts the "everything has to be caused"Dec 18 18:05
MinceRso either nothing exists or not everything has to be causedDec 18 18:05
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XRevan86Slackware exists, therefore Patrick is God.Dec 18 18:39
MinceRlolDec 18 18:39
XRevan86The universe doesn't have to have an origin, and if it does, that origin is not an alive being. So saying that the common origin is God is misleading, unsatisfying or just useless.Dec 18 18:42
XRevan86Maybe I want to call the first particle not G-d, but Patient Zero, whom does that help?Dec 18 18:42
MinceRit helps enrage some abrahamicsDec 18 18:43
MinceRand that's worth it in itselfDec 18 18:43
XRevan86I mean constructively :)Dec 18 18:45
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Apparently, when VW issued their newer oil standard, some American dealers thought they'd save money and just pour SAE 5w30 in, and then they had customers with engine damage and the dealers had to cover it.Dec 18 19:14
MinceR:>Dec 18 19:14
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MinceRsaving money, whatever the cost!Dec 18 19:14
DaemonFC[m]Just because American cars don't need to run on unicorn blood, I guess.Dec 18 19:15
DaemonFC[m]"Eh, this'll do....." Dec 18 19:15
DaemonFC[m]Famous last words.Dec 18 19:15
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DaemonFC[m]I was watching if google was a guy again.Dec 18 19:21
MinceR:>Dec 18 19:21
DaemonFC[m]"Hi, sorry for the way I look, it's just that it's Jackson Pollock's birthday and we're celebrating."Dec 18 19:21
MinceR"Show me pictures of the Serengeti!"Dec 18 19:21
MinceRoopsDec 18 19:22
DaemonFC[m]Woman: "Why do farts smell?".Dec 18 19:22
MinceR"Show me pictures of Spaghetti!"Dec 18 19:22
MinceRs/Sp/sp/Dec 18 19:22
DaemonFC[m]Google: "One of the most influential artists in modern times and you want to know why farts smell. Here you go!"Dec 18 19:22
XRevan86MinceR: s/sp/Sp/Dec 18 19:22
DaemonFC[m]Siri: More pictures of spaghetti! More pictures of spaghetti!!Dec 18 19:23
DaemonFC[m]Google: That is not what she asked for! That is not what she asked for!Dec 18 19:23
XRevan86https://youtu.be/Cxqca4RQd_MDec 18 19:23
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Rick & Morty made fun of Siri this week.Dec 18 19:23
MinceR:)Dec 18 19:23
XRevan86* If Google *Were* A GuyDec 18 19:23
DaemonFC[m]Morty asked it to do something and it said something like "Okay, playing U2!".Dec 18 19:24
XRevan86> I was watching if google was a guy again.Dec 18 19:24
XRevan86I honestly didn't understand this at first, because of this.Dec 18 19:24
XRevan86lack of quotes also helpedDec 18 19:25
XRevan86I just remembered a thought that used to occur to me when I was at an earlier stage of English learningDec 18 19:27
XRevan86I wrote something using the subjunctive mood like that: "if I were a X", but then looked at that and didn't understand – why did I put "were" there? Did I forget basic pairings "I was", "he was", "they were"?Dec 18 19:28
XRevan86My awareness of English grammar was somehow behind.Dec 18 19:29
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, sloppiness there.Dec 18 19:35
DaemonFC[m]https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/improve-battery-life-linuxDec 18 19:41
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DaemonFC[m]"Most of us with mobiles know that bluetooth is a big drain on power levels. Linux is no exception so, when you don’t need bluetooth, you should switch it off."Dec 18 19:42
DaemonFC[m]I just keep it off all the time.Dec 18 19:42
DaemonFC[m]It's not real helpful and having an actual audio port means I can plug my headphones in, which uses less power than the Bluetooth chip does being powered on and at idle. Much less doing anything.Dec 18 19:42
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DaemonFC[m]I seriously doubt that using powertop or TLP or anything like that would be as shocking vs defaults as when I installed Fedora 26 on this laptop when it was new.Dec 18 19:46
DaemonFC[m]Some of the "bads" on powertop that affect power consumption the most as now listed as "good" because Fedora's default kernel configuration changed.Dec 18 19:46
DaemonFC[m]https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ImprovedLaptopBatteryLifeDec 18 19:48
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DaemonFC[m]The SATA link power management policy that landed in Fedora 28 saved about 1-3 watts at idle on most laptops.Dec 18 19:49
DaemonFC[m]I was thinking about trying to configure mine to use a more aggressive policy than that.Dec 18 19:49
DaemonFC[m]Although it causes data corruption on some buggy systems.Dec 18 19:49
DaemonFC[m]https://hansdegoede.livejournal.com/18412.htmlDec 18 19:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hansdegoede.livejournal.com | Improving Linux laptop battery life: Testers Wanted - Hans' hacking log — LiveJournalDec 18 19:50
DaemonFC[m]Matthew Garrett was the one that argued with me that you shouldn't even try running Linux on laptops like mine because of Intel's power management policy. It ended up costing about 30-45 minutes of battery life vs medium with dipm, which became the default setting in Fedora about a year later.Dec 18 19:51
MinceRlolDec 18 19:51
MinceRmatthew garrett the microsoft munchkinDec 18 19:52
MinceRand even he realizes how shitty IPMI isDec 18 19:52
DaemonFC[m]Intel power management is awful.Dec 18 19:53
DaemonFC[m]Turning most of it on risks serious bugs.Dec 18 19:53
DaemonFC[m]Leaving it off means your 7 hour laptop battery gets more like 3.Dec 18 19:53
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: To be fair, Linux developers suck too.Dec 18 19:56
MinceRyeah, especially gkhDec 18 19:56
MinceRand the cancerd cabalDec 18 19:56
MinceRespecially kay sieversDec 18 19:56
DaemonFC[m]Like constantly changing the structure of sysfs so that wikis rot beyond being usable in less than 2 years.Dec 18 19:56
MinceRand those retards at microsoft who hardcoded something like /etc/init.d/network restart into their hype-V kernel moduleDec 18 19:57
DaemonFC[m]"Hi Linus. Here's another patch that breaks something that's worked since the beginning of time that we won't find out about for 8 months. Kthxbai!" - SieversDec 18 19:58
DaemonFC[m]"PS: By that point, there will be like 10 things that depend on the _new_ behavior. SWAK!"Dec 18 19:58
DaemonFC[m]Linus gets furious and then they tried to make him go to rehab and he said sure, why not.Dec 18 19:59
DaemonFC[m]Yeah he's been black but when he gets back he'll say ack ack ack.Dec 18 19:59
scientesSTOPPPPPPPPDec 18 20:00
scienteswho gives a shit about this stuff?Dec 18 20:01
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: You have to go to re-education to be sensitive to morons.Dec 18 20:01
DaemonFC[m]That happened to me recently because of the in laws.Dec 18 20:01
scientesDaemonFC[m], that is the global liberal elite devil-worship invading linuxDec 18 20:01
scientesbut more global liberal elite backlash does nothing to stop itDec 18 20:02
scientesyou can only get rid of it by ignoring and refusing to have anything to do with the stupidDec 18 20:02
MinceRDaemonFC[m]: well, of course, especially when one of said morons is put in charge of the whole projectDec 18 20:02
DaemonFC[m]As soon as they purge a tasteless abortion joke that RMS made from a manual page almost nobody who ever uses a Linux distribution will ever read....Dec 18 20:03
scientesDaemonFC[m], NOONE CARES!!!!!!Dec 18 20:03
DaemonFC[m]By the time they managed to get rid of Stallman it was too late.Dec 18 20:03
MinceR"Shall we meet at Ye Olde Sandwyche Shoppe at Noone?"Dec 18 20:03
DaemonFC[m]He had managed to make the GNU project and the FSF irrelevant.Dec 18 20:03
scientesBLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH Dec 18 20:03
DaemonFC[m]Pouring resources into things that nobody does care about.Dec 18 20:04
DaemonFC[m]Things that are on the way out anyway, like the iPhone.Dec 18 20:04
DaemonFC[m]It went from like 70-80% was it to 14% of all shipments?Dec 18 20:05
scientesdurrrr hurrrrrrrrDec 18 20:05
scientesbooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooDec 18 20:05
DaemonFC[m]They're still a bubble because investors figure they'll claw back market share from people who are fatigued from buying a brand new $1,600 phone every two years, or that the remainder will make up the difference because they'll pay the huge markup.Dec 18 20:05
scientesDaemonFC[m], are the lynch mobs enough for you to finially leave the US?Dec 18 20:06
DaemonFC[m]I read a report yesterday that the iPhone 12 is "only" going up $50 this time, even though "there's at least $200 worth of new stuff in it".Dec 18 20:06
DaemonFC[m]That means that since Apple was already selling them at 9 times the cost to make one, they can swallow some of that.Dec 18 20:07
DaemonFC[m]The same article pointed out that a seriously cut down model will start at "only $900".Dec 18 20:07
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DaemonFC[m]> DaemonFC, are the lynch mobs enough for you to finially leave the US?Dec 18 20:15
DaemonFC[m]It's still kind of interesting to watch your country fall apart on TV.Dec 18 20:15
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DaemonFC[m]Linux 5.4 has that crappy Samsung exfat driver in it.Dec 18 21:47
DaemonFC[m]I'm wondering if it's better or worse than the FUSE module.Dec 18 21:47
DaemonFC[m]Some other company provided a new exfat driver under the GPL and it's 1/3rd the size and doesn't use hex all over the place.Dec 18 21:48
DaemonFC[m]Read-only for now but I doubt it'll grow by much more than 1,000 lines with write support.Dec 18 21:48
DaemonFC[m]Still clocking in at less than half the size of the Samsung module.Dec 18 21:48
DaemonFC[m]The Samsung module was crap because it worked and they never thought anyone would see it.Dec 18 21:49
DaemonFC[m]And it's what's in Android.Dec 18 21:49
DaemonFC[m]It's gigantic because it avoids using any GPL kernel symbols and the Linux Virtual File System and existing GPL'd FAT code. Dec 18 21:50
DaemonFC[m]So it duplicates a bunch of stuff that's already in Linux, poorly.Dec 18 21:50
MinceRexfat should die in a ditch along with microslothDec 18 22:04
oiaohmThere is work to merge the exfat work in Linux kernel hopefully bring in better ones into kernel.Dec 18 22:05
MinceRnone of them will be free of patents held by the robber barons of redmond, thoughDec 18 22:05
oiaohmMinceR: bad new exfat is part of sdxc standard.Dec 18 22:06
MinceRyeah, the sda should die in the same ditchDec 18 22:06
oiaohmThat means the controller in a sdxc card does not have to support a different file system.Dec 18 22:06
MinceRif the card can't deal with an arbitrary filesystem, it's a piece of shit cardDec 18 22:07
oiaohmalso you have cameras that take those cards demard exfat as well.Dec 18 22:07
MinceRthey don't get to demand exfatDec 18 22:08
MinceRwhat if i put a 32GB card in them?Dec 18 22:08
oiaohmDon't functionDec 18 22:09
oiaohmSome of them are sdxc card only.Dec 18 22:09
MinceRthat's a piece of shit camera, thenDec 18 22:09
MinceRthat's less than minimum effortDec 18 22:09
oiaohmNo the problem is the need transfer rate.Dec 18 22:09
MinceRtransfer rate does not depend on filesystem that muchDec 18 22:09
MinceRif anything, a sane filesystem could be faster than this microshit/sda shitDec 18 22:10
oiaohmIt does party exfat having single fat table instead of prior fat double does save on operations.Dec 18 22:11
oiaohmAlso means exfat is more able to eat your data.Dec 18 22:11
MinceRi'd expect nothing less of something from microsuckDec 18 22:12
MinceReating data is one of the things they doDec 18 22:12
oiaohmexfat was in fact optimsied for speed.Dec 18 22:12
MinceRonce winblows 98 se saw 3 vfat16 partitions and destroyed the data on all 3 of themDec 18 22:12
MinceRyeah, microsloth speed optimizations, i know those too wellDec 18 22:13
MinceRthat's why there's a whole windowing system in the winblows nt kernelDec 18 22:13
oiaohmremember vfat16 had double fat tables.Dec 18 22:13
MinceRand that's why that windowing system is so incredibly slowDec 18 22:13
danielp3344oiaohm: microsoft never could write a proper fsDec 18 22:13
MinceRmicroshit never could write a proper anythingDec 18 22:13
MinceRexcept maybe legal documentsDec 18 22:13
danielp3344True....Dec 18 22:13
danielp3344but filesystems especiallyDec 18 22:14
MinceRmicroshit will sacrifice everything for speed and end up with something sluggishDec 18 22:14
MinceRit will take gkh & sievers & co some time to bring linux down to that levelDec 18 22:14
danielp3344and yet we still need to rescue what, %96 of the market from it?Dec 18 22:14
MinceRyeahDec 18 22:15
MinceRwell, many people love shitDec 18 22:15
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: The windowing system was moved out of the kernel in Vista.Dec 18 22:15
MinceRthat's also why german "premium" cars are so popularDec 18 22:15
MinceRand crAppleDec 18 22:15
danielp3344MinceR: that's not really trueDec 18 22:15
MinceRDaemonFC[m]: you mean they added another windowing system in userspaceDec 18 22:15
MinceRand kept the one in the kernel for "compatibility"Dec 18 22:15
danielp3344you don't need to look far to see people who use windows every day of theyre own choice and hate itDec 18 22:15
oiaohmdanielp3344: microsoft can when they want to.   https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/previous-versions/cc907927(v=msdn.10)  then make up all kinds of execuses not to implement it.Dec 18 22:16
danielp3344but somehow free software doesn't appeal or they don't knowDec 18 22:16
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DaemonFC[m]GDI is supported inside that one.Dec 18 22:16
danielp3344their*Dec 18 22:16
DaemonFC[m]Older applications expecting GDI will continue to work. It's just provided in userspace now instead of the kernel.Dec 18 22:16
oiaohmI would love to see Linux kernel exfat with TexFAT on anyhardware showing that its excuse.Dec 18 22:17
MinceRtexmexfatDec 18 22:17
danielp3344lolDec 18 22:17
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MinceRthat's a pretty weird way to handle authenticationDec 18 22:26
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/19090868Dec 18 22:28
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DaemonFC[m]The Disney Plus DRM seems to be going as well as their Blu Ray DRM did.Dec 18 22:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectDec 18 22:29
DaemonFC[m]That is to say it doesn't work worth a damn.Dec 18 22:29
MinceRdrm is like thatDec 18 22:29
DaemonFC[m]The only thing it seems to be doing is returning error messages to people who actually subscribed.Dec 18 22:29
MinceRpretty much the only thing it accomplishes is locking out competitors from marketing player software/devices and inconveniencing customersDec 18 22:29
DaemonFC[m]Disney is returning form letters saying they're "working on it".Dec 18 22:30
MinceRlolDec 18 22:30
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: All people end up doing is using a bittorrent client and VLC.Dec 18 22:30
DaemonFC[m]Then they have a universal solution.Dec 18 22:30
MinceRyeah, that always works better than drmDec 18 22:30
MinceRbut i doubt most consumers know about thatDec 18 22:31
DaemonFC[m]Well, universal except for iOS which doesn't allow either.Dec 18 22:31
MinceRif they're trying to play something on hypeOS, that's their problemDec 18 22:31
DaemonFC[m]MinceR:  Remember that with Apple, you're only 12 streaming subscriptions away from having to pay by the episode for certain things anyway.Dec 18 22:35
DaemonFC[m]Someone told me that Android and Linux was for "poor people". Although by avoiding the $4,000 laptop and $1,600 iPhone every few years and the $100 a month in streaming fees I'm certainly better off than I would otherwise be. Dec 18 22:37
MinceRyeah, throwing money into a furnace just to seem rich sounds like a great ideaDec 18 22:37
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: You're so poor you grew a brain capable of reason. I pity you.Dec 18 22:37
MinceRespecially if i'd also get to use products that are crap and also often dangerousDec 18 22:38
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: It's little things too.Dec 18 22:39
DaemonFC[m]In the 1990s, almost nobody bought body wash.Dec 18 22:39
DaemonFC[m]Then the soap companies found out a way to sell you half as much soap for the same price by using the words "hand" on one and "body" on the other.Dec 18 22:40
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Instead of buying a new laptop, I ended up backing out the three dozen or so (we've actually lost count) Intel hardware security fixes that were designed to get a new Windows/Mac laptop into your home and then slow it down 40% after you bought it.Dec 18 22:41
DaemonFC[m]It accomplished two things for Intel. It made their chips look 40% faster because they had hideous security problems, and you paid premium prices for them. Then when the laptop was a few years old they "fix" them, right? Then your laptop which is already a few years old slows down 40% all at once and you get rid of it.Dec 18 22:43
DaemonFC[m]It's the vaccine to not being able to push new hardware like they used to.Dec 18 22:43
MinceR(audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/12/14/25f9096adc89f53e.mp4Dec 18 22:45
MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/Wy5PBAg.mp4   ( https://imgur.com/gallery/VcEyfNW )Dec 18 22:59
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psydroidI only have 2 relatively new laptops with Intel Skylake and Kaby Lake chips and that's all I will use for a large number of yearsDec 18 23:03
DaemonFC[m]Well that's a neat trick.Dec 18 23:03
DaemonFC[m]My battery dropped from 17% to 5%. How does that happen?Dec 18 23:03
DaemonFC[m]Bad battery?Dec 18 23:05
DaemonFC[m]Hmm, a few people had the same issue with the OEM part.Dec 18 23:12
DaemonFC[m]LOL! No Vo and dHell suggest uninstalling the Microsoft ACPI battery driver and reinstalling it and then if that doesn't work, run it down to 0 a few times and recharge and it should be calibrated at that point.Dec 18 23:13
DaemonFC[m]Of course that's assuming Windows.Dec 18 23:13
DaemonFC[m]I'm guessing it has something to do with the nature of a battery itself then?Dec 18 23:15
MinceRlolDec 18 23:19
danielp3344So I think I found a job at a shop but it's a bit of a hike.Dec 18 23:20
MinceRif it's the battery controller being wrong about its capacity then draining to 0 and recharging should work regardless of OSDec 18 23:20
danielp3344I need to build a super fuel efficient ride.Dec 18 23:20
MinceRe-bike?Dec 18 23:21
danielp3344MinceR: not that farDec 18 23:21
danielp3344it's like 60 milesDec 18 23:21
MinceRprius? :>Dec 18 23:21
danielp3344MinceR: loser carDec 18 23:21
MinceRlolDec 18 23:21
danielp3344I'm thinking fieroDec 18 23:21
danielp3344or honda beatDec 18 23:22
MinceRthe fiero is far more of a loser carDec 18 23:22
danielp3344miataDec 18 23:22
danielp3344MinceR: no wayDec 18 23:22
MinceRfor one thing, it's usianDec 18 23:22
MinceRworse yet, it's GMDec 18 23:22
danielp3344I love GMDec 18 23:22
MinceRlolDec 18 23:22
danielp3344or at least did until about 2000Dec 18 23:22
danielp3344maybe 02Dec 18 23:22
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danielp3344MinceR: Honda beat?Dec 18 23:25
MinceRseems nice, though i'm not sure if it's as efficient as a priusDec 18 23:25
MinceRthen again, if you're considering the honda beat, there's also the suzuki cappuccino and the autozam az-1Dec 18 23:26
danielp3344I love the cappuccino, but they're not easy to get hereDec 18 23:26
MinceRi'm surprised any of those is easy to get there :>Dec 18 23:26
danielp3344imported beats are like $5k depending on conditionDec 18 23:26
danielp3344MinceR: for some reason beats are cool enough that there are a lot of them getting importedDec 18 23:27
MinceR:)Dec 18 23:27
danielp3344https://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/cto/d/brooklyn-1985-cadillac-eldorado-biarritz/7033475303.html :DDec 18 23:27
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MinceRlolDec 18 23:27
MinceRat least back then usians knew how to make cool looking carsDec 18 23:28
danielp3344MinceR: you're not from the USA right?Dec 18 23:29
MinceRnoDec 18 23:30
XRevan86danielp3344: HungaryDec 18 23:30
danielp3344MinceR: yeah, non americans seem to have a hard time appreciating non stereotypical 'murica carsDec 18 23:30
MinceRlolDec 18 23:30
MinceRthe pt cruiser is one of the ugliest cars ever madeDec 18 23:31
danielp3344wordDec 18 23:31
MinceRbut even this is a far cry from the one shown above >> https://kep.cdn.indexvas.hu/1/0/2819/28199/281998/28199839_f12db5b9fe811124dbeb5701b7545a4e_wm.jpgDec 18 23:31
XRevan86danielp3344: Obviously too busy with the VAZ-2101Dec 18 23:31
MinceRlolDec 18 23:31
MinceReastern bloc "cars" being ugly as hell should be no surpriseDec 18 23:32
MinceRas there was no competition under the russian empire of the timeDec 18 23:32
XRevan86non russians seem to have a hard time appreciating stereotypical soviet carsDec 18 23:32
MinceRbut usians had to compete with each other and with othersDec 18 23:32
MinceRto be fair, the fiat the VAZ-2101 was based on was also ugly as hell :>Dec 18 23:33
danielp3344XRevan86: I still want a yugo badlyDec 18 23:33
danielp3344but only so I can give it 600hp and troll with itDec 18 23:33
MinceR:>Dec 18 23:33
MinceRwhy not a trabant then?Dec 18 23:33
XRevan86danielp3344: Never saw oneDec 18 23:33
danielp3344TBH I appreciate simple, conservative carsDec 18 23:33
danielp3344hehDec 18 23:34
XRevan86https://time.com/4723114 wow, award-winningDec 18 23:35
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danielp3344https://southjersey.craigslist.org/cto/d/browns-mills-triumph-spit6-project/7036875298.html now we're talkingDec 18 23:35
danielp3344that car must weigh like 1500lbsDec 18 23:35
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*XRevan86 can't read 'mericanDec 18 23:35
MinceRjust pretend it's british and retryDec 18 23:36
danielp3344MinceR: lolDec 18 23:36
XRevan86Aint nobody's got time for thatDec 18 23:36
danielp3344XRevan86: getting betterDec 18 23:36
XRevan86680kgDec 18 23:36
danielp3344we don't pretend to like the imperial system, we're just stuck with itDec 18 23:37
MinceRoh, you meant the unitsDec 18 23:37
danielp3344lolDec 18 23:37
XRevan86danielp3344: Someone's got to use the calculator in this transaction %)Dec 18 23:39
XRevan86It's like posting time in a local timezone when it's useful elsewhereDec 18 23:41
MinceRhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m5qxZm_JqMDec 18 23:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Clarke and Dawe - The Front Fell Off - YouTubeDec 18 23:42
XRevan86Or post dates in a 03/07/19 format %)Dec 18 23:42
danielp3344as opposed to 1576712493?Dec 18 23:42
XRevan86as opposed to 2019-03-07Dec 18 23:43
danielp3344that's not so badDec 18 23:43
danielp3344no math requiredDec 18 23:43
XRevan862019-12-18 23:41:33 UTCDec 18 23:44
XRevan86Universally readable (no retard has been spotted writing 2019-18-12) and also nicely sequential, aligned with time too (from large to small).Dec 18 23:45
XRevan86MinceR: This looks like a parody of our lord and saviourDec 18 23:49
XRevan86a funny one but still, blasphemousDec 18 23:49
MinceR:>Dec 18 23:49
XRevan86MinceR: You know what I'm talking about? :)Dec 18 23:50
danielp3344Apparently the honda beat gets around 70mpgDec 18 23:50
MinceRXRevan86: not reallyDec 18 23:50
danielp3344not worth the effort over a 60mpg fieroDec 18 23:50
XRevan86https://youtu.be/dqDqvKYDv9MDec 18 23:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-eXile TV: Putin Tackles Kursk Submarine Disaster - YouTubeDec 18 23:51
MinceRlolDec 18 23:52
XRevan86https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kursk_submarine_disaster for contextDec 18 23:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Kursk submarine disaster - WikipediaDec 18 23:54
MinceRtoyota claims >90 mpg for the yaris hybrid in urban drivingDec 18 23:57
danielp3344MinceR: this isn't urbanDec 18 23:58
DaemonFC[m]Gas mileage should be a lot higher on the highway since it doesn't take much energy to keep your speed.Dec 18 23:59

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