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| CrystalMath | DaemonFC[m]: COVID-19 still fails to beat the current seasonal flu by death count | Mar 19 00:12 |
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| CrystalMath | honestly i hope it wasn't actually manufactured as a bioweapon | Mar 19 00:13 |
| CrystalMath | that'd be really embarassing for the manufacturer | Mar 19 00:13 |
| brendyyn | the flu has a head start for at least thousands of years | Mar 19 00:15 |
| brendyyn | and with china putting in so much to fight it, its been tempered somewhat | Mar 19 00:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The fake numbers while it continues to get worse probably help them too. | Mar 19 00:39 |
| brendyyn | what numbers are fake | Mar 19 00:40 |
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| cybrNaut | https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/18/charter-coronavirus-offices/ | Mar 19 02:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Charter staff told to report to offices despite positive coronavirus tests – TechCrunch | Mar 19 02:53 | |
| cybrNaut | ^ Charter Communications is the parent company of Spectrum. 15,000 employees are being denied the option to work from home. | Mar 19 02:53 |
| cybrNaut | like Boeing, Charter is also an ALEC member | Mar 19 02:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, if I answer the phone for my bill collectors I'll tell them to get the Coronavirus and die. | Mar 19 03:03 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Nah, that's a crime under Illinois telephone harassment laws. | Mar 19 03:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But not if you say it to their face. | Mar 19 03:03 |
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| scientes_ | What the hell is wrong with people? | Mar 19 03:40 |
| scientes_ | Every time flu season comes around everyone freaks out | Mar 19 03:40 |
| roy-on-ted-box | what we have now is not just some flu | Mar 19 03:40 |
| roy-on-ted-box | Italy is an example | Mar 19 03:40 |
| scientes_ | did they get raised as bubble boys? | Mar 19 03:41 |
| scientes_ | how is it not just the flu? | Mar 19 03:41 |
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| roy-on-ted-box | death rates | Mar 19 03:42 |
| roy-on-ted-box | risk rates | Mar 19 03:42 |
| scientes_ | and the CDC web site has nothing about the "why do I give a shit?" question | Mar 19 03:42 |
| roy-on-ted-box | hospitalisation rates | Mar 19 03:42 |
| roy-on-ted-box | everyone (almost) may get it at the en d | Mar 19 03:43 |
| roy-on-ted-box | but it is spreading too fast at the moment, enough to collapse the health systems | Mar 19 03:43 |
| roy-on-ted-box | so the goal is to slow down the spread a bit | Mar 19 03:43 |
| scientes_ | so you mean it is like the yellow fever or the early 20th century? | Mar 19 03:43 |
| roy-on-ted-box | that would also give time to make better medication of vaccination | Mar 19 03:43 |
| scientes_ | 1918 | Mar 19 03:43 |
| roy-on-ted-box | our antibiotics are getting weaker | Mar 19 03:44 |
| roy-on-ted-box | 1918 pandemic killed the young | Mar 19 03:44 |
| roy-on-ted-box | 20-40 | Mar 19 03:44 |
| roy-on-ted-box | (ages) | Mar 19 03:44 |
| roy-on-ted-box | 50-100 million dead (later estimations) | Mar 19 03:44 |
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| scientes_ | but seriously, I havent seen one credible description of WHY I give a shit | Mar 19 03:45 |
| scientes_ | just a bunch of "OMG THE SKY IS FALLING" | Mar 19 03:45 |
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| scientes_ | and the numbers are so all over the place as to be completely distrustworthy | Mar 19 03:46 |
| cybrNaut | scientes_: you have no elderly family close to you? | Mar 19 03:46 |
| scientes_ | and the government has been scaring us over and over again about this stuff | Mar 19 03:46 |
| scientes_ | so I don't trust it | Mar 19 03:46 |
| scientes_ | cybrNaut, yeah, my neighbors carried out their dead mother a few months ago | Mar 19 03:47 |
| scientes_ | dead happens | Mar 19 03:47 |
| scientes_ | it is a fact of life | Mar 19 03:47 |
| cybrNaut | ah, well if you don't care about life, then you're right.. you're not going to find a reason to give a shit about this | Mar 19 03:47 |
| scientes_ | cybrNaut, how many people died of car accidents this year so far? | Mar 19 03:47 |
| scientes_ | yet do they report those in the news, even when it was in the same city, rather than half way around the globe? | Mar 19 03:48 |
| scientes_ | seriously, you have no sense of scale | Mar 19 03:48 |
| cybrNaut | when you get in a car, you understand and accept the risks | Mar 19 03:48 |
| scientes_ | COUGH COUGH BULLSHIT | Mar 19 03:48 |
| cybrNaut | when someone shakes your hand, you don't expect or accept these risks | Mar 19 03:49 |
| cybrNaut | don't like it? cycle. And stay on cycling paths. You don't have to participate in traffic w/cars | Mar 19 03:49 |
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| scientes_ | I don't think you have ever actually used a bicycle as primary transportation. | Mar 19 03:51 |
| cybrNaut | nonsense | Mar 19 03:51 |
| scientes_ | and bicycles are far less safe anyways, because the smaller vehicle always is crushed | Mar 19 03:51 |
| cybrNaut | i've not used a car as primary transportation for 10yrs now | Mar 19 03:51 |
| cybrNaut | most of my cycling was on cycling paths | Mar 19 03:51 |
| cybrNaut | & non-busy roads | Mar 19 03:52 |
| scientes_ | superkuh, roy-on-ted-box https://i.ibb.co/py5LYmm/90133994-1371249419726064-5402541243110522880-n.png this only looks scary until you see the age histogram | Mar 19 03:58 |
| scientes_ | of death, and not contraction | Mar 19 03:58 |
| scientes_ | this is the same much ado about nothing as SARS was | Mar 19 03:59 |
| scientes_ | and H1N1 before that | Mar 19 03:59 |
| scientes_ | the government loves attention | Mar 19 03:59 |
| scientes_ | and they love the people to think them as the rescuers | Mar 19 03:59 |
| scientes_ | but hospitals are the #1 cause of death | Mar 19 03:59 |
| scientes_ | you are more likely to die if you go to the hospital than if you stay home | Mar 19 03:59 |
| scientes_ | because of super-bugs | Mar 19 03:59 |
| scientes_ | this information is super easy to find | Mar 19 03:59 |
| scientes_ | it just isn't blasted on the air waves 24/7 | Mar 19 03:59 |
| scientes_ | roy-on-ted-box, they shouldn't be using the antibiotics for this anyways, I mean, it isn't even a bacteria....... | Mar 19 04:00 |
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| roy-on-ted-box | scientes_: fine then, be a trafficker of a dangerous virus | Mar 19 04:17 |
| roy-on-ted-box | and don't lecture Italy on what's really going on there | Mar 19 04:17 |
| roy-on-ted-box | (because it's really quite grim, and would be VASTLY worse had people not stayed home) | Mar 19 04:18 |
| roy-on-ted-box | you might not see the death tolls we're told about yet, but only because actions are being taken | Mar 19 04:18 |
| roy-on-ted-box | even a friend of mine who denies global warming phone me yesterday and he takes this pandemic seriously | Mar 19 04:18 |
| roy-on-ted-box | the circles often occupied by nuts like to compare this to flu deaths | Mar 19 04:19 |
| roy-on-ted-box | but that is not the po int | Mar 19 04:19 |
| roy-on-ted-box | *point | Mar 19 04:19 |
| roy-on-ted-box | it's like comparing this to traffic accidents | Mar 19 04:19 |
| roy-on-ted-box | this is no flu | Mar 19 04:19 |
| roy-on-ted-box | https://www.propublica.org/article/this-coronavirus-is-unlike-anything-in-our-lifetime-and-we-have-to-stop-comparing-it-to-the-flu\ | Mar 19 04:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.propublica.org | This Coronavirus Is Unlike Anything in Our Lifetime, and We Have to Stop Comparing It to the Flu — ProPublica | Mar 19 04:20 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://linuxacademy.com/blog/announcements/providing-agility-in-a-time-of-great-change/\ | Mar 19 04:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://linuxacademy.com/blog/announcements/providing-agility-in-a-time-of-great-change/\ ) | Mar 19 04:21 | |
| schestowitz__ | "The situation facing the world right now is unprecedented in modern times and everyone is navigating to find a new normal. I want to start by saying that A Cloud Guru and Linux Academy have adapted quickly and there will be no disruption to our services or product and content delivery schedules. I’ve been proud to see how quickly all our awesome teams have adapted to working from home while maintaining normal business hours and | Mar 19 04:21 |
| schestowitz__ | working practices. We are a mission-driven education company and our learners always come first. We know that more than ever, this is a time when our community is relying on us." | Mar 19 04:21 |
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| schestowitz__ | http://shallowsky.com/blog/politics/A-absentee.html | Mar 19 04:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-shallowsky.com | A is for Absentee Ballot (Shallow Thoughts) | Mar 19 04:36 | |
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| oiaohm | roy-on-ted-box: really depends what flu you are comparing to. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1968-pandemic.html H3N2 from 1968 is that is strian of influenza ie flu. as a 3 percent adverage death told with 12-15 percent elderly death toll. Coronavius like is not unknown in anylife time who is older than 34 years old. | Mar 19 04:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cdc.gov | 1968 Pandemic (H3N2 virus) | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC | Mar 19 04:41 | |
| oiaohm | roy-on-ted-box: H3N2 has basically the same death curve as the current Coronavirus | Mar 19 04:42 |
| oiaohm | Its been a while. | Mar 19 04:42 |
| oiaohm | You see a lot of comparing to flu without stating strain. Yes stating strain of flu is important there is large verations in flu death tolls between strains. | Mar 19 04:46 |
| oiaohm | Please note H3N2 is not the most lethal flu ever. | Mar 19 04:46 |
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| oiaohm | H2N2 in the top 10 of the most lethal flu stains ever. To be techically correct to be called flu it has to be Influenza something. | Mar 19 04:47 |
| roy-on-ted-box | another parameter is reach/spread | Mar 19 04:48 |
| roy-on-ted-box | the rates are fine and well is contained within some religion | Mar 19 04:48 |
| oiaohm | H2N2 got global spread. | Mar 19 04:48 |
| roy-on-ted-box | the current pandemic affects so many cities | Mar 19 04:48 |
| oiaohm | So H2N2 is a fair compare to coronavirus. | Mar 19 04:49 |
| roy-on-ted-box | 20,000 deaths IIRC | Mar 19 04:49 |
| roy-on-ted-box | this one could be millions | Mar 19 04:49 |
| roy-on-ted-box | depending on what's being done | Mar 19 04:49 |
| oiaohm | H2N2 was stopped by quarantine processes and slower transport speeds. | Mar 19 04:50 |
| roy-on-ted-box | 228k confirmed https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 | Mar 19 04:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com | Operations Dashboard for ArcGIS | Mar 19 04:50 | |
| roy-on-ted-box | oiaohm: this one isn't or wasn't taken seriously | Mar 19 04:50 |
| roy-on-ted-box | japan managed to squash it apparently, singpoare also | Mar 19 04:51 |
| roy-on-ted-box | they were better prepared, based on SARS experiences | Mar 19 04:51 |
| oiaohm | For virus lethally and human to human spread coronavirus and H2N2 are basically the same. | Mar 19 04:51 |
| oiaohm | The increased Coronavirus damage is mostly our poor response. | Mar 19 04:51 |
| oiaohm | and lack faster transport systems. | Mar 19 04:52 |
| roy-on-ted-box | your country declared national emergency days ago | Mar 19 04:52 |
| oiaohm | back then. | Mar 19 04:52 |
| roy-on-ted-box | but, hey, what do you know... | Mar 19 04:52 |
| roy-on-ted-box | some Aussie known as oiaohm knows better | Mar 19 04:52 |
| roy-on-ted-box | not their health department etc. | Mar 19 04:52 |
| roy-on-ted-box | They actually studied past pandemics | Mar 19 04:53 |
| oiaohm | Really bigger emergency has been stupid internet fuel hording. | Mar 19 04:53 |
| oiaohm | That risk triggering like stuffed up sewage systems | Mar 19 04:53 |
| oiaohm | Its bad enough having a virus problem. Without people not being able to buy tollet paper due to hording so now using incorrect things down tollets so screwing up sewage systems on top. | Mar 19 04:54 |
| roy-on-ted-box | what bs | Mar 19 04:54 |
| roy-on-ted-box | as if the crisis is people overbuying paper | Mar 19 04:54 |
| roy-on-ted-box | that's missing the point | Mar 19 04:55 |
| roy-on-ted-box | or even buying too much of other things | Mar 19 04:55 |
| roy-on-ted-box | neither you nor I are contagious diseases experts | Mar 19 04:55 |
| roy-on-ted-box | I have a friend who is | Mar 19 04:55 |
| oiaohm | its not just paper. Like people are over buying medical supplies. | Mar 19 04:55 |
| roy-on-ted-box | he's retired now | Mar 19 04:55 |
| roy-on-ted-box | they have a reason to take it this seriously | Mar 19 04:55 |
| roy-on-ted-box | and that has nothing at all to do with overbuying | Mar 19 04:55 |
| oiaohm | It does when that over buying is increasing person to person conact. | Mar 19 04:56 |
| oiaohm | with people fighting over stuff. | Mar 19 04:56 |
| oiaohm | So increase spread rates. | Mar 19 04:56 |
| roy-on-ted-box | the projection is, hospitals fill up too fast | Mar 19 04:56 |
| roy-on-ted-box | so assuming most people catch it at some stage we need to slow it down | Mar 19 04:56 |
| oiaohm | This is a nasty secondary effect. | Mar 19 04:56 |
| oiaohm | that is speed up spreed. | Mar 19 04:57 |
| oiaohm | Yes controlling the virus you are attempt to slow down spreed. | Mar 19 04:57 |
| oiaohm | when you have items like hording screwing stuff up this increases person to person conact. Then you have people hording in fact person to person fighting for stuff. | Mar 19 04:58 |
| roy-on-ted-box | not the point | Mar 19 04:58 |
| roy-on-ted-box | not at all | Mar 19 04:58 |
| roy-on-ted-box | and we drift away | Mar 19 04:59 |
| oiaohm | So as horrible as it sounds one of Australia current worse problems is not exactly the virus but those who are hording and that their behavours will increase spread rates. | Mar 19 04:59 |
| roy-on-ted-box | rationing in worst case | Mar 19 04:59 |
| roy-on-ted-box | we have enough food | Mar 19 04:59 |
| roy-on-ted-box | maybe poorly distributed due to panic | Mar 19 04:59 |
| oiaohm | rationing has started. | Mar 19 04:59 |
| roy-on-ted-box | but people can share with family and neighbour, though then it passes faster | Mar 19 04:59 |
| roy-on-ted-box | and they discourage food sharing | Mar 19 04:59 |
| oiaohm | Not because we are out of stuff really just because of how bad this stupidity is. | Mar 19 04:59 |
| roy-on-ted-box | rationing started only in the buying limits sense afaik | Mar 19 05:00 |
| roy-on-ted-box | maybe au is different | Mar 19 05:00 |
| schestowitz__ | https://sunweavers.net/blog/node/114 | Mar 19 05:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sunweavers.net | #FlattenTheCurve | sunweaver's NET | Mar 19 05:01 | |
| oiaohm | shop here are opening the first hour of the day for the eldly only and rationed amount on the stuff people have been stupid buying. | Mar 19 05:01 |
| oiaohm | Like who really need to buy 200 rolls of tollet paper. | Mar 19 05:01 |
| oiaohm | and this stupid buying has lead to fights from those who will be missing out. | Mar 19 05:02 |
| oiaohm | So increasing human to human contact. | Mar 19 05:02 |
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| oiaohm | roy-on-ted-box: really would you be thinking that you would have a virus out break and you would have people fighting in stores over tollet paper when it a person to person spread disease. | Mar 19 05:04 |
| oiaohm | We have kind of a moron problem here in Australia at the moment that needs to be sorted out. | Mar 19 05:05 |
| roy-on-ted-box | hardly the real issue | Mar 19 05:05 |
| roy-on-ted-box | 1) it's not about tissue papers (kitchen towels etc.) | Mar 19 05:05 |
| roy-on-ted-box | 2) human contact does not come mostly from the disputes over (1) | Mar 19 05:05 |
| roy-on-ted-box | 3) the over-buying is not the real issue | Mar 19 05:06 |
| roy-on-ted-box | the real issue is infection rates and severity | Mar 19 05:06 |
| roy-on-ted-box | and that led to many businesses coming to a halt | Mar 19 05:06 |
| roy-on-ted-box | which means people stay home | Mar 19 05:06 |
| roy-on-ted-box | which means they shop less and start hoarding | Mar 19 05:06 |
| roy-on-ted-box | but the real issue is the strain of the system | Mar 19 05:06 |
| roy-on-ted-box | both financial and medical | Mar 19 05:06 |
| roy-on-ted-box | so let's qui talking about dead trees, aka toilet rolls | Mar 19 05:07 |
| roy-on-ted-box | it's missing the point | Mar 19 05:07 |
| roy-on-ted-box | people can wipe their rectum with water and hands, as some countries still do | Mar 19 05:07 |
| oiaohm | It is kind of missing the point I agree. The stupid panic has pushed our spread rate up. | Mar 19 05:07 |
| roy-on-ted-box | running water isn't at risk, maybe except in places like .AU with droughts | Mar 19 05:08 |
| roy-on-ted-box | the panic buying is a symptom | Mar 19 05:08 |
| roy-on-ted-box | it's not like in developed countries people will starve | Mar 19 05:08 |
| roy-on-ted-box | or die from rectal infections | Mar 19 05:08 |
| oiaohm | also the starting hoarding and doing it wrong by hordering stuff they should not will lead to food poison cases on top of the virus problem. | Mar 19 05:08 |
| roy-on-ted-box | that might be a real issue, but.. | Mar 19 05:09 |
| roy-on-ted-box | many people hoard dry foods | Mar 19 05:09 |
| roy-on-ted-box | rice etc. | Mar 19 05:09 |
| oiaohm | So you have a virus problem and these hoarding issues will stress your medical even more. | Mar 19 05:09 |
| roy-on-ted-box | we have a fridge full of fresh foods, but that's not unusual | Mar 19 05:09 |
| oiaohm | But that is not the only things they are hoarding and that is the problem. | Mar 19 05:09 |
| roy-on-ted-box | pushing past expiry dates -- maybe | Mar 19 05:09 |
| roy-on-ted-box | but I heard no such thing | Mar 19 05:09 |
| roy-on-ted-box | so find me an article about that | Mar 19 05:10 |
| oiaohm | roy-on-ted-box: https://www2.health.vic.gov.au/public-health/food-safety/food-businesses/food-how-to-keep-it-safe/preventing-food-poisoning there always on going stuff on food poisoning in this country when there is not hordering. We have seen all the chicken in a store be bought out this is a item you are warned need correct care. | Mar 19 05:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www2.health.vic.gov.au | Preventing food poisoning - health.vic | Mar 19 05:13 | |
| oiaohm | This problem is going to kick in if it not stopped soon. | Mar 19 05:13 |
| oiaohm | because normally the population does not store particular items right and you have minor food posioning problems. | Mar 19 05:13 |
| roy-on-ted-box | oiaohm: this web page is not new | Mar 19 05:14 |
| roy-on-ted-box | and I doubt people panic-buy chicken | Mar 19 05:14 |
| oiaohm | The problem is not new. | Mar 19 05:14 |
| roy-on-ted-box | there's not enough of it to panic-buy anyway | Mar 19 05:14 |
| oiaohm | I have seen in the stores first hand. | Mar 19 05:14 |
| roy-on-ted-box | livestock is dangerous if expired | Mar 19 05:14 |
| roy-on-ted-box | people know that | Mar 19 05:14 |
| roy-on-ted-box | also people can use freezers for these | Mar 19 05:15 |
| oiaohm | Should know that but actions are saying otherwise. | Mar 19 05:15 |
| roy-on-ted-box | show me evidence it's not a bigger problem than before the panic | Mar 19 05:15 |
| oiaohm | We have seen spikes in food posioning after floods. | Mar 19 05:15 |
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| oiaohm | and less volume of hording was done then. | Mar 19 05:16 |
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| oiaohm | than now. | Mar 19 05:16 |
| oiaohm | basically we are currently in unexplored area with hording. | Mar 19 05:16 |
| roy-on-ted-box | floods... | Mar 19 05:16 |
| oiaohm | Question is how many deaths is that going to be on top of the virus, | Mar 19 05:16 |
| roy-on-ted-box | but that's not what we have now | Mar 19 05:16 |
| roy-on-ted-box | show me reports of food poisoning | Mar 19 05:16 |
| roy-on-ted-box | I watch headlines about covid19 all day long | Mar 19 05:16 |
| roy-on-ted-box | hundreds of them | Mar 19 05:17 |
| roy-on-ted-box | none mentioned this | Mar 19 05:17 |
| oiaohm | There is a delay on the food posioning from the panic to its effects landing. | Mar 19 05:17 |
| roy-on-ted-box | so it seems to be overstating something off-topic | Mar 19 05:17 |
| roy-on-ted-box | oh, look!!! Pandemic... watch out... for food poining | Mar 19 05:17 |
| roy-on-ted-box | Watch out!!! Less ass-wiping | Mar 19 05:17 |
| roy-on-ted-box | you are distracting from the real issue | Mar 19 05:17 |
| oiaohm | Remember if the effects of the food poisoning hit when the virus is pushing medical to limit it will be the straw that breaks everything. | Mar 19 05:18 |
| roy-on-ted-box | oiaohm: the food gets redistributed | Mar 19 05:18 |
| roy-on-ted-box | stuff from the fridge isn't grabbed much right now | Mar 19 05:18 |
| roy-on-ted-box | I see it in stores | Mar 19 05:18 |
| roy-on-ted-box | people go for stuff like pasta and soy milk | Mar 19 05:19 |
| roy-on-ted-box | which takes like a year to expire | Mar 19 05:19 |
| roy-on-ted-box | let's focus on the main issue | Mar 19 05:19 |
| roy-on-ted-box | which isn't the after-effect of people having large stocks of toilet papers at home | Mar 19 05:20 |
| oiaohm | I have people who work in Australia retail supply they have seen spikes in items that should not have been. | Mar 19 05:20 |
| oiaohm | Those do have effects. | Mar 19 05:20 |
| oiaohm | Virus is one problem but hording setting off these other things you really don't need on top. | Mar 19 05:21 |
| oiaohm | So regulation has to kick in and stop the hording as well as attempt to control virus spread. | Mar 19 05:21 |
| oiaohm | roy-on-ted-box: the tollet paper problem is the fact that local supplies are only so big so when that got stripped people have bought items that should not be flushed to be used instead and this is going to cause problems for water treatment. | Mar 19 05:23 |
| oiaohm | part of dealing with illness you need good water. | Mar 19 05:24 |
| oiaohm | Basically looking at what was purchased basically rings alarmbells on what is coming. | Mar 19 05:24 |
| oiaohm | you can get a 3 to 4 week warning on most of these problems. | Mar 19 05:25 |
| oiaohm | and that happens to line up with when we expect covid-19 to be at it worst. | Mar 19 05:25 |
| scientes_ | roy-on-ted-box, it would help me if they didn't cry wolf about this every god damn yeah for my entire life | Mar 19 05:32 |
| scientes_ | The human immune system is far superior to anything a hospital can provide. | Mar 19 05:33 |
| roy-on-ted-box | tell that to people who died 102 years ago | Mar 19 05:36 |
| roy-on-ted-box | the black death isn't a thing of the past | Mar 19 05:36 |
| roy-on-ted-box | but our communications system lets us better coordinate | Mar 19 05:36 |
| scientes_ | https://www.kongregate.com/games/DarkRealmStudios/pandemic-2 | Mar 19 05:36 |
| scientes_ | here, play as COVID-19 | Mar 19 05:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Play Pandemic 2, a free online game on Kongregate | Mar 19 05:36 | |
| roy-on-ted-box | also, densely-populated cities makes these germs harder to contain.. viruses, germs... | Mar 19 05:37 |
| scientes_ | but that has nothing to do with the scare tactics | Mar 19 05:37 |
| roy-on-ted-box | the scare is needed | Mar 19 05:39 |
| roy-on-ted-box | as people otherwise reject changes to their lifestyle | Mar 19 05:40 |
| roy-on-ted-box | and the virus would have spread to millions too fast | Mar 19 05:40 |
| roy-on-ted-box | if 20% need hospitalisation, as reported | Mar 19 05:40 |
| roy-on-ted-box | in some cases over 20% | Mar 19 05:40 |
| roy-on-ted-box | that means millions in hospitals here in the UK | Mar 19 05:40 |
| roy-on-ted-box | there aren't enough beds and staff | Mar 19 05:40 |
| roy-on-ted-box | not enough ICU-type facilities | Mar 19 05:41 |
| scientes_ | but what about the rates of super bugs in hospitals | Mar 19 05:41 |
| scientes_ | I'm not convinced that the hospital helps | Mar 19 05:41 |
| roy-on-ted-box | even if hotels are converted into temporary hospitals | Mar 19 05:41 |
| roy-on-ted-box | scientes_: some people still need hospital-grade care | Mar 19 05:41 |
| roy-on-ted-box | yes, those can be risky | Mar 19 05:41 |
| roy-on-ted-box | but not as risky as if you're diabetic | Mar 19 05:42 |
| roy-on-ted-box | and may need infusion of some kind | Mar 19 05:42 |
| roy-on-ted-box | many people die in countries that overstretched capacity in their hospitals | Mar 19 05:42 |
| roy-on-ted-box | because this thing has spread too fast | Mar 19 05:42 |
| roy-on-ted-box | and they can't seem to slow it down now, the lockdowns came too late | Mar 19 05:43 |
| roy-on-ted-box | so many enderly are denied access to facilities they assumed were always available to them shall the need arise | Mar 19 05:43 |
| roy-on-ted-box | but they're all on their own with a'flu' that is 5 times more deadly -- rates-wise -- then last season's flu | Mar 19 05:44 |
| roy-on-ted-box | the health ministers' projections are like orders of magnitude worse than what flu typically cases | Mar 19 05:44 |
| roy-on-ted-box | you're looking at possibly a million or two dead in the US in one season | Mar 19 05:44 |
| roy-on-ted-box | which would be very visible demographically | Mar 19 05:45 |
| roy-on-ted-box | you could joke about how that passes on inheritance money | Mar 19 05:45 |
| scientes_ | did I? | Mar 19 05:45 |
| roy-on-ted-box | in a popultation that otherwise hoards assets at the top | Mar 19 05:45 |
| roy-on-ted-box | (though life expectancy is DECREASING in the US) | Mar 19 05:46 |
| roy-on-ted-box | scientes_: not you | Mar 19 05:46 |
| roy-on-ted-box | https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/03/momento-mori-unpopular-thoughts-on-corona-virus/ | Mar 19 05:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.craigmurray.org.uk | Momento Mori - Unpopular Thoughts on Corona Virus - Craig Murray | Mar 19 05:47 | |
| roy-on-ted-box | https://www.peakprosperity.com/coronavirus-why-the-us-is-in-deep-trouble/ | Mar 19 05:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.peakprosperity.com | Coronavirus: Why The US Is In Deep Trouble | Peak Prosperity | Mar 19 05:50 | |
| roy-on-ted-box | " | Mar 19 05:50 |
| roy-on-ted-box | May, the current US covid-19 case count of 361 infected will jump to *4+ million*. | Mar 19 05:50 |
| roy-on-ted-box | That is the power of exponential growth. | Mar 19 05:50 |
| roy-on-ted-box | If that indeed happens, our hospitals and clinics will be utterly overwhelmed. Forget getting treatment for the coronavirus or ANY kind of health emergency. | Mar 19 05:50 |
| roy-on-ted-box | " | Mar 19 05:50 |
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| schestowitz__ | The comments in | Mar 19 06:06 |
| schestowitz__ | <ul> | Mar 19 06:06 |
| schestowitz__ | <li><h5><a href="https://lwn.net/Articles/814508/">Handling attacks on a community</a></h5> | Mar 19 06:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Handling attacks on a community [LWN.net] | Mar 19 06:06 | |
| schestowitz__ | <blockquote><p>A recent message to the debian-project mailing list by Debian project leader (DPL) Sam Hartman is about a proposal to moderate the mailing list. There have been repeated attacks on various project members and the distribution itself posted to the list over the last few years, many from sock-puppet, throwaway email accounts, which spawned a recent discussion on the debian-private mailing list; Hartman was summarizing | Mar 19 06:06 |
| schestowitz__ | that discussion for those who are not on the private list. But the problems on debian-project (and other Debian public lists) are kind of just the tip of the iceberg; there is an ongoing, persistent effort to roil the distribution and its community. | Mar 19 06:06 |
| schestowitz__ | The discussion on debian-private happened while Hartman was taking a vacation; his summary was partly from catching up with his email and also a continuation of the consensus building work he has done during his DPL term. The debian-private discussion led to a bug report that asked for debian-project to become a moderated list "for the time being", which is where Hartman suggested the technical discussion on how to do the moderation | Mar 19 06:06 |
| schestowitz__ | should go. In parallel with the private discussion, there was also a thread on the project list about how distributed moderation of a mailing list might work. The idea is that multiple moderators could help filter out messages from new subscribers to the list. | Mar 19 06:06 |
| schestowitz__ | </p></blockquote></li> | Mar 19 06:06 |
| schestowitz__ | are intresting | Mar 19 06:06 |
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| schestowitz__ | going by the comments alone, it's hard to tell apart claims from facts | Mar 19 06:07 |
| schestowitz__ | also the chronology of it | Mar 19 06:07 |
| schestowitz__ | seems it started with Daniel sending out a message to FSFE members | Mar 19 06:07 |
| schestowitz__ | and some people not being happy about it not being pre-checked by everyone | Mar 19 06:07 |
| schestowitz__ | and that's where the mess started | Mar 19 06:07 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Mar 19 06:09 |
| schestowitz__ | <ul> | Mar 19 06:09 |
| schestowitz__ | <li><h5><a href="https://lwn.net/Articles/814508/">Handling attacks on a community</a></h5> | Mar 19 06:09 |
| schestowitz__ | <blockquote><p>A recent message to the debian-project mailing list by Debian project leader (DPL) Sam Hartman is about a proposal to moderate the mailing list. There have been repeated attacks on various project members and the distribution itself posted to the list over the last few years, many from sock-puppet, throwaway email accounts, which spawned a recent discussion on the debian-private mailing list; Hartman was summarizing | Mar 19 06:09 |
| schestowitz__ | that discussion for those who are not on the private list. But the problems on debian-project (and other Debian public lists) are kind of just the tip of the iceberg; there is an ongoing, persistent effort to roil the distribution and its community. | Mar 19 06:09 |
| schestowitz__ | The discussion on debian-private happened while Hartman was taking a vacation; his summary was partly from catching up with his email and also a continuation of the consensus building work he has done during his DPL term. The debian-private discussion led to a bug report that asked for debian-project to become a moderated list "for the time being", which is where Hartman suggested the technical discussion on how to do the moderation | Mar 19 06:09 |
| schestowitz__ | should go. In parallel with the private discussion, there was also a thread on the project list about how distributed moderation of a mailing list might work. The idea is that multiple moderators could help filter out messages from new subscribers to the list. | Mar 19 06:09 |
| schestowitz__ | </p></blockquote></li> | Mar 19 06:09 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Mar 19 06:09 |
| schestowitz__ | oops | Mar 19 06:09 |
| schestowitz__ | wrong paste | Mar 19 06:09 |
| schestowitz__ | "More background, at least from the FSFE side, can be found in a lengthy message from General Assembly member Florian Snow. There may well be legitimate concerns that Pocock has with the FSFE organizational structure, as noted in this message, for example, but his tactics are seemingly not welcome in that community. As Michael Kesper put it in response to a message from Pocock, where he pointedly does not deny the list-subscription | Mar 19 06:09 |
| schestowitz__ | manipulation: "We as a community want to communicate with respect to each other as otherwise no community can survive."" | Mar 19 06:09 |
| schestowitz__ | This suggests a likely GDPR violation | Mar 19 06:09 |
| schestowitz__ | assuming this was actually done | Mar 19 06:09 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19111622 | Mar 19 06:54 |
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| roy-on-ted-box | oil prices will sink, MinceR | Mar 19 07:02 |
| scientes_ | oh this is funny https://www.theonion.com/onion-social-embraces-diversity-by-adding-prophet-moham-1826973105 | Mar 19 07:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theonion.com | Onion Social Embraces Diversity By Adding Prophet Mohammed Emoji | Mar 19 07:04 | |
| roy-on-ted-box | blasphemous | Mar 19 07:05 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 19 07:05 |
| scientes_ | roy-on-ted-box, no it is not | Mar 19 07:06 |
| MinceR | (cat) https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/laser | Mar 19 08:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Laser | Mar 19 08:24 | |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/DFvRMwT.jpg | Mar 19 08:36 |
| oiaohm | roy-on-ted-box: Rate exponential growth depends on population density as well. Australia with its lower population density in most areas is not looking at the same level of possible explosive growth. | Mar 19 08:53 |
| oiaohm | Funny enough for Australia the area with the most likely hood of explosive covid-19 growth is Australian Capital Territory that is Canberra that would 171 people per sq km equal to a lightly populated USA state . Highest risk for explosive growth in the USA is Washington, D.C. at 4251 people per sq km | Mar 19 09:05 |
| oiaohm | Notice those numbers a kind of massively different. So speed of covid spread is going different. | Mar 19 09:05 |
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| XRevan86 | https://72.ru/text/health/69039721 SARS-CoV-2 photographs | Mar 19 13:18 |
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| scientes_ | XRevan86, I believe they have a full DNA sequence | Mar 19 13:19 |
| scientes_ | or rather RNA | Mar 19 13:19 |
| XRevan86 | scientes_: That's what they say, yes. | Mar 19 13:20 |
| scientes_ | lets try to find it... | Mar 19 13:20 |
| roy-on-ted-box | https://pluspora.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_3363aed05e26989030d6.png | Mar 19 13:20 |
| scientes_ | I've looked at human, maize, buckwheat, and basically every other food crop is easily available | Mar 19 13:20 |
| scientes_ | https://www.asm.org/Press-Releases/2020/COVID-19-Resources | Mar 19 13:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) Resources | ASM.org | Mar 19 13:21 | |
| scientes_ | woah cool, actually decent stuff | Mar 19 13:21 |
| scientes_ | oh cool, learned today that airplane circulation is designed to prevent spread of repritory illnesses | Mar 19 13:25 |
| scientes_ | XRevan86, https://journals.lww.com/cmj/Abstract/publishahead/Identification_of_a_novel_coronavirus_causing.99423.aspx | Mar 19 13:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-journals.lww.com | Identification of a novel coronavirus causing severe pneumon... : Chinese Medical Journal | Mar 19 13:32 | |
| scientes_ | didn't find the actual sequence DB, but the paper is interesting and open access | Mar 19 13:32 |
| scientes_ | kinda pissy actually that they say that have a full sequence, and then they don't say where to download it | Mar 19 13:36 |
| oiaohm | scientes_: yes the core design of airplane is there to attempt to prevent spread but it does require to work perfectly that overhead vents are in fact open. | Mar 19 13:41 |
| *scientes_ got flu on an airplane once | Mar 19 13:42 | |
| oiaohm | So its possible for passengers to ruin the protection. | Mar 19 13:42 |
| scientes_ | ruined my christmas too | Mar 19 13:42 |
| oiaohm | Also since smoking has been banned on flights the amount of cabin air replacement was reduce to save on fuel cost. | Mar 19 13:42 |
| scientes_ | smoking on flights was always a genius idea..... | Mar 19 13:43 |
| MinceR | the fuel already does it :> | Mar 19 13:43 |
| oiaohm | Guess what was the first thing airlines stopped doing once they got aware of covid 19. Yep that was turn air replacement rate back up to what it was during smoking was enabled when possable. | Mar 19 13:43 |
| oiaohm | Please note that adjustment has to be done by service personal. | Mar 19 13:44 |
| scientes_ | hmmm, lets see, lets put a bunch of people in a pressurized metal tube way up in the sky, with oxygen tanks and lots of fuel | Mar 19 13:44 |
| scientes_ | and then someone goes "lets start a fire!" | Mar 19 13:44 |
| oiaohm | Increased cases of blood clots in flights trace to bad airquality caused by that lower air replacement rate as well. | Mar 19 13:45 |
| MinceR | more like "i'll go crazy if i don't get another hit of my drug real soon" :> | Mar 19 13:45 |
| oiaohm | So a percentage of passengers have been killed basically to save a buck. | Mar 19 13:45 |
| scientes_ | MinceR, maybe it was a bad idea to led drug addicts on the flight in the first place? | Mar 19 13:45 |
| MinceR | probably | Mar 19 13:46 |
| MinceR | but you know, humans doing human things | Mar 19 13:46 |
| scientes_ | again, this silly concept that humans don't die on their own | Mar 19 13:46 |
| scientes_ | and that only technology can kill them | Mar 19 13:47 |
| scientes_ | and only technology can keep them alive | Mar 19 13:47 |
| scientes_ | and that it is illegal to die | Mar 19 13:47 |
| oiaohm | When a person says they will not remain sane if they don't have a cigarette. They can be telling the truth. Insane as it sounds nicotine is effective treatment for quite a few metal illnesses. | Mar 19 13:47 |
| scientes_ | oiaohm, but breathing in smoke is also a pretty stupid thing to do | Mar 19 13:48 |
| oiaohm | Some ways I would agree with a total ban of people going on aircraft with a nicotine problem. | Mar 19 13:48 |
| MinceR | \m/ | Mar 19 13:48 |
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| scientes_ | I smoker is like someone who disconnects the chimney on their wood stove, and just vents it into the house | Mar 19 13:49 |
| scientes_ | *A | Mar 19 13:49 |
| scientes_ | You ever had a problem with soot in your chimney? | Mar 19 13:50 |
| scientes_ | that is what smoking does to YOUR BODY | Mar 19 13:50 |
| MinceR | https://i.redd.it/yasiajf273n41.png | Mar 19 13:51 |
| scientes_ | And then they add the menthol to dim the pain, pretty soon they will have lidocain-laced tobacco | Mar 19 13:51 |
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| oiaohm | scientes_: that the point when there was smoking in aircraft they had to vent more air to the outside of the aircraft and pull more fresh air in from the outside and compress it. | Mar 19 13:53 |
| oiaohm | So the change over rate of air in the aircraft was faster back in the past. | Mar 19 13:53 |
| oiaohm | That also helps with disease spread. | Mar 19 13:53 |
| oiaohm | Its horrible how many disease prevention systems have been broken just to make more profit. | Mar 19 13:57 |
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| cubexyz | 1980s: fights over cabbage patch dolls | Mar 19 14:44 |
| cubexyz | 2020s: fights over toilet paper | Mar 19 14:44 |
| MinceR | 2030s: fights over food and water | Mar 19 14:48 |
| MinceR | 2040s: world peace (no more humans) | Mar 19 14:48 |
| roy-on-ted-box | heh | Mar 19 14:49 |
| roy-on-ted-box | 8 billion cats? | Mar 19 14:49 |
| roy-on-ted-box | with "mice farms"? | Mar 19 14:49 |
| MinceR | if they can survive | Mar 19 14:49 |
| MinceR | in the case of nuclear apocalypse, this is unlikely | Mar 19 14:49 |
| MinceR | in the case of a biological weapon, it may well happen | Mar 19 14:49 |
| roy-on-ted-box | humans are prepared for it | Mar 19 14:50 |
| roy-on-ted-box | lots of toilet rolls! | Mar 19 14:50 |
| MinceR | ...for the cats to play with | Mar 19 15:15 |
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| roy-on-ted-box | MinceR: that and wool | Mar 19 15:37 |
| scientes_ | wool? | Mar 19 15:40 |
| scientes_ | you know cats have fur too? | Mar 19 15:40 |
| scientes_ | how do i type an upside down ? ? | Mar 19 15:42 |
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| scientes_ | ¿ | Mar 19 15:44 |
| scientes_ | sweet | Mar 19 15:44 |
| scientes_ | ¿sweet? | Mar 19 15:44 |
| MinceR | compose,?,? | Mar 19 15:47 |
| scientes_ | ¡correct! | Mar 19 15:47 |
| scientes_ | C♯ | Mar 19 15:48 |
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| scientes_ | `HMM´ | Mar 19 15:49 |
| scientes_ | hmmm | Mar 19 15:52 |
| scientes_ | compose # # => ♯ | Mar 19 15:52 |
| scientes_ | but compose b b doesn't => flat symbol | Mar 19 15:52 |
| scientes_ | where can i file a bug? | Mar 19 15:53 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Mar 19 15:53 |
| MinceR | proprietarydesktop, probably | Mar 19 15:53 |
| MinceR | or x consortium, if there still is one | Mar 19 15:53 |
| MinceR | or x.org, if there still is one | Mar 19 15:54 |
| scientes_ | like i've been typing CÆSER properly, cause I learned how to use my compose key :) | Mar 19 15:54 |
| MinceR | tried compose,#,b? | Mar 19 15:54 |
| XRevan86 | scientes_: æyy | Mar 19 15:54 |
| scientes_ | MinceR, ahh nice | Mar 19 15:54 |
| scientes_ | kinda wierd, but I guess that is OK | Mar 19 15:54 |
| scientes_ | ♭♯ | Mar 19 15:55 |
| scientes_ | ♭ | Mar 19 15:55 |
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| scientes_ | " | Mar 19 16:30 |
| scientes_ | The young couple had something important to discuss: they wanted to marry and have children, but were unsure if they could ever raise enough money for the lab tests on the sperm samples (to rule out viral contamination) and the artificial insemination procedure, made necessary by the prohibition against any direct, unsupervised sharing of bodily fluids. There was also the fear that the lab tests would produce a false positive or discover real viral | Mar 19 16:30 |
| scientes_ | contamination—an event that could result in them being committed to solitary confinement in a hospital that would last for as long as it took to be certified virus-free." | Mar 19 16:30 |
| scientes_ | hahahahaha | Mar 19 16:30 |
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| roy-on-ted-box | scientes_: you have to wonder who in Europe, right now, says "honey, let's make a baby..." | Mar 19 17:10 |
| scientes_ | roy-on-ted-box, the birth rate is lower than in Japan | Mar 19 17:11 |
| scientes_ | except among the invading hordes | Mar 19 17:11 |
| scientes_ | *barbarians | Mar 19 17:11 |
| roy-on-ted-box | this is what you call "them"? | Mar 19 17:16 |
| scientes_ | OK, the FOREX finially changed | Mar 19 17:18 |
| MinceR | babies are rarely conceived with the express purpose of doing so among the savages, afaik :> | Mar 19 17:22 |
| roy-on-ted-box | can we use more polite terms here by which to refer to people? | Mar 19 17:23 |
| scientes_ | MinceR, touche | Mar 19 17:23 |
| roy-on-ted-box | This is not going to help the site, you know... | Mar 19 17:23 |
| scientes_ | roy-on-ted-box, its just making fun of people that don't speak latin | Mar 19 17:23 |
| roy-on-ted-box | People do actively look for dirt on us | Mar 19 17:23 |
| scientes_ | as they sound like "bar" "bar" | Mar 19 17:24 |
| roy-on-ted-box | as we're some of tbe latest remaining voice against the CORPORATE "savages" | Mar 19 17:24 |
| roy-on-ted-box | I know what you mean, but try not to give ammo to our adversaries, who aren't a racial thing but a class thing | Mar 19 17:25 |
| roy-on-ted-box | companies like Oracle, Microsoft etc. | Mar 19 17:25 |
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| *kaniini is now known as Ariadne | Mar 19 17:47 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | roy-on-ted-box: I started referring to the disease as the Orange Flu in reference to Trump. | Mar 19 18:03 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 19 18:17 |
| roy-on-ted-box | agent orange | Mar 19 19:37 |
| superkuh | scientes_, https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/health/coronavirus-young-people.html "New C.D.C. data shows that nearly 40 percent of patients sick enough to be hospitalized were age 20 to 54." | Mar 19 19:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Nearly 40 Percent U.S. Coronavirus Hospitalized Patients Are Age 20 to 54 - The New York Times | Mar 19 19:51 | |
| oiaohm | superkuh: there are two strains of covid-19 virus documented by china. Ones more lethal than the other. | Mar 19 20:04 |
| oiaohm | USA has both. | Mar 19 20:04 |
| superkuh | nope. | Mar 19 20:04 |
| superkuh | Only one paper suggested that. Already refuted. | Mar 19 20:04 |
| oiaohm | The usa commonly used test cannot split between two strains. | Mar 19 20:05 |
| oiaohm | Sorry the refuted is not exactly right. | Mar 19 20:05 |
| oiaohm | USA has mixed data. We know both strains are there. USA data does not tell us if the more mild strain has changed because they were not using a test to tell the difference. | Mar 19 20:07 |
| oiaohm | With the level of mess the usa in making the test as fast and as cost as effective as possible most likely wise move than exact data. | Mar 19 20:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | oiaohm: I fully expect a lot of people will just start dropping dead in waves soon. | Mar 19 20:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Two, three weeks. | Mar 19 20:13 |
| oiaohm | At least the USA is not Italy where the only detected strain is the most lethal one. | Mar 19 20:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Many of them will be the ones who believed Trump that this was less serious than the flu. | Mar 19 20:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I still see a lot of them on Facebook. | Mar 19 20:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, what about co-infection? | Mar 19 20:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That could be worse. | Mar 19 20:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We just don't know. | Mar 19 20:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | With HIV, they tell people this isn't a license to have unprotected sex with other HIV+ because there are dozens of strains and you can end up infected with more than one and then it gets much harder to suppress. | Mar 19 20:15 |
| oiaohm | sick enough for hospitalized does not mean going to die from it. | Mar 19 20:17 |
| oiaohm | Its still showing a very low death toll in the younger. | Mar 19 20:18 |
| oiaohm | Scary enough Italy death toll is currently more than the total death toll in china. | Mar 19 20:19 |
| oiaohm | and that is by raw count not by percentage of population. | Mar 19 20:19 |
| oiaohm | The more mild strain appears to help to slow down the lethal strain. As in you have had the mild strain you don't seam to be a carrier for the more lethal one. | Mar 19 20:21 |
| oiaohm | Italy kind of lucked out. | Mar 19 20:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The UK seems to be getting whacked even harder than the US. | Mar 19 20:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 138 deaths on 2,716 confirmed cases. | Mar 19 20:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | On the upside, all of these Trump and Brexit people are going away fast. | Mar 19 20:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When this finishes killing all of the idiots over there, they might actually petition to rejoin the EU. | Mar 19 20:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm certain, with what I do know about England, that they managed to fuck up their part of the NHS a lot worse than Scotland's. | Mar 19 20:41 |
| MinceR | 18 131751 < scientes_> MinceR, https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/03/17/fa5be4bc9d70cc76.mp4 | Mar 19 20:42 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 19 20:42 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: I see you're an optimist. | Mar 19 20:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's killing mostly old Republicans. | Mar 19 20:43 |
| XRevan86 | It's not that picky. | Mar 19 20:43 |
| XRevan86 | It's killing mostly the elderly. | Mar 19 20:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which in the US are 82% Republicans. | Mar 19 20:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it's going to hurt them a lot worse. | Mar 19 20:45 |
| XRevan86 | Even if more old people are Republican, I doubt that will be enough to counteract effects of gerrymandering for instance. | Mar 19 20:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, polls say only half of them think this is a big deal. | Mar 19 20:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | XRevan86: It already changed one election. | Mar 19 20:45 |
| MinceR | there are republicans that think? :> | Mar 19 20:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Illinois kept the primary going and turnout among old people collapsed. | Mar 19 20:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And a conservative "Democrat" in IL-3 was defeated by a primary opponent who Sanders endorsed. | Mar 19 20:46 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Didn't help Sanders, did it? | Mar 19 20:46 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Wait, Sanders endorsed Biden? | Mar 19 20:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No, but it certainly picked off a "Democrat" in a D+10 district that voted with Republicans 90% of the time. | Mar 19 20:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sanders endorsed Mary Newman against Dan Lipinski in IL-3. | Mar 19 20:47 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Ah, locals | Mar 19 20:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When they shut down the polls in the nursing homes and terrified old people, it was enough for her to win by a few points, so he now loses his seat in Congress to her. | Mar 19 20:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The House has 435 members and 242 are Democrats. | Mar 19 20:48 |
| XRevan86 | Some voters couldn't attend, yay democracy :) | Mar 19 20:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's a 24 seat majority. | Mar 19 20:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But Lipinski was voting with Republicans a lot so it's really a 23 majority right now. Even if things stay the same on the count, we basically picked off a Republican Congressman because of the Coronavirus already. | Mar 19 20:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | XRevan86: It will also kill off a lot of old voters in swing and Leans R districts around the country. | Mar 19 20:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they'll start losing their remaining Republican seats in blue states for sure. | Mar 19 20:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I figure even if people voted exactly the same as they did in 2016 this year, the Democrats would pick up 12-14 House seats because of that. | Mar 19 20:50 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Err 2018 rather. | Mar 19 20:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The fact is, there's a lot of blue state Republicans that only hold on by 1-2 points because of old people. | Mar 19 20:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Enough that this virus could pick off 12 of them even if it doesn't do a hell of a lot really. | Mar 19 20:51 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | > Even if more old people are Republican, I doubt that will be enough to counteract effects of gerrymandering for instance. | Mar 19 21:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Actually, two states that the Democrats completely took over will be enhancing the gerrymander (Illinois) or completely reversing a 2010 Republican gerrymander (Virginia). | Mar 19 21:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This should cause the two swing districts in Illinois that Republicans lost in the anti-Trump wave to become SAFE D, a Republican district that touches Springfield, IL to switch from Lean R to Lean D, and a Republican to lose his seat downstate when two Safe R districts get smashed together. | Mar 19 21:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Plus it should knock at least 5-6 Republicans out of their House seats in Virginia. | Mar 19 21:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So in 2022, there should be a net total of 6-7 more Democrats in the House from Illinois and Virginia, plus two swing districts that won't swing back to Republican in Illinois. | Mar 19 21:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Plus Lipinski is gone beginning next year. | Mar 19 21:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So there goes a DINO. | Mar 19 21:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This is effectively a permanent swing of about 2% of the total House seats to the Democrats from redistricting. Through 2032. | Mar 19 21:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I already filled out our census forms to make sure we count as living in Illinois until then. Not Indiana. | Mar 19 21:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Senate can't be gerrymanders. | Mar 19 21:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | All states get two Senators regardless of land area or population, and it's a statewide election. | Mar 19 21:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, many voter initiatives got passed in red states taking House redistricting away from their legislature and putting it in a commission. In some cases, must be approved by the voters. | Mar 19 21:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Since those were all horribly gerrymandered, they can't possibly get any worse, and might get drawn in such a way that 3-4 more Leans D districts have to be created. | Mar 19 21:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We're looking at the Democrats going from a base of 192 House seats to perhaps 207 counting everything, including the Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruling. | Mar 19 21:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which puts them just 11 seats from a House majority before the election happens, instead of 26. | Mar 19 21:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They still need to win 11 of about 90-95 swing districts across the country for a majority, but the House should be pretty safe for Democrats from 2022-2032. | Mar 19 21:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | To not win 11 out of 90-95 swing districts, you have to have a very bad year. | Mar 19 21:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So this makes a House Firewall against a possibly continued Republican presidency. | Mar 19 21:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He can obviously do things still, but not having the House cripples the president in a lot of ways. | Mar 19 21:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Suddenly there's a very powerful House Speaker like Pelosi who can obstruct and overshadow the president. | Mar 19 21:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's a lot harder because he has to lean hard on existing body of law and executive orders. | Mar 19 21:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Basically like Obama did for 6 years. | Mar 19 21:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It wasn't fun. | Mar 19 21:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The next time there's a Democratic president, he can just undo all of it. | Mar 19 21:15 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | It's basically a dig in and defend position where you can live to fight another day. | Mar 19 21:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Everything the president does is temporary in the long run if he doesn't have the House. | Mar 19 21:16 |
| MinceR | https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a7/49/2e/a7492ef9bb0cfe9605a1033d81047d9b.jpg | Mar 19 21:17 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Black letter law is always better than Executive Orders. | Mar 19 21:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you get a law passed it's a lot harder to undo. | Mar 19 21:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | For pretty much everything, the Senate has to have a supermajority to stop "debating" and move on, and they can't get rid of that filibuster process because the Democrats passed it as a law in the 1980s. | Mar 19 21:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's why they're not bothering with laws and just confirming appointments to courts and agencies. | Mar 19 21:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sure, the judges "decide" what the law is, but they also die or retire. | Mar 19 21:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So while many Trump appoints will be there for a while, some will leave, and the next president will deal with more Reagan, Bush Sr and Jr judges that can't hold on any longer. | Mar 19 21:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | McConnell is asking older Republican judges to retire now so Trump can hurry up and name an appointment. | Mar 19 21:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But judges are stubborn and not used to being told what to do. | Mar 19 21:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So many will ignore him and hold on for a while. | Mar 19 21:22 |
| MinceR | when did they stop pretending that they're trying to be at least a little impartial? | Mar 19 21:38 |
| XRevan86 | https://youtu.be/BtN-goy9VOY cute animation Kurzgesagt has | Mar 19 21:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Coronavirus Explained & What You Should Do - YouTube | Mar 19 21:44 | |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19111516 | Mar 19 21:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Mar 19 21:58 | |
| MinceR | they forgot to mention that there are many coronaviruses and this is just one (or two) strain(s) | Mar 19 22:06 |
| MinceR | several strains cause an ordinary common cold | Mar 19 22:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | > when did they stop pretending that they're trying to be at least a little impartial? | Mar 19 22:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, the local news reported that a guy was stupid enough to flash a gang sign in court here. | Mar 19 22:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The judge told him he was "entitled" to a fair trial, but warned him to stop damaging his own case at the arraignment. | Mar 19 22:17 |
| MinceR | well, that's understandable | Mar 19 22:18 |
| MinceR | the judge is supposed to be in the middle so he can be swayed by the prosecution and the defense | Mar 19 22:18 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: I started motioning for things right away that didn't make a lot of difference to my case but would give the prosecutor some losses. Also, to get a feel for how the judge saw me. | Mar 19 22:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If she ruled against me, I'd know that I should definitely consider a deal even if it was harsh. | Mar 19 22:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If she mostly ruled for me, I could threaten to take my chances at trial with the prosecution aware of what just happened to them. | Mar 19 22:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When the judge granted all of my motions and said she didn't consider me a flight risk or a threat to the community, I smiled and told her thank you , but made sure the prosecutor saw that. | Mar 19 22:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then I did some maneuvering behind the scenes so that the state's witnesses just didn't see me as being in the picture anymore and to give my ex the notion I'd just keep making the car payments. | Mar 19 22:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So when they stopped cooperating much with the prosecutor and started downplaying and backpeddling from their own previous story.... | Mar 19 22:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The prosecutor came and offered me a deal that was like 90% of the way towards beating the original charges entirely. | Mar 19 22:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My strategy wasn't ever to go to court and win. And I would never have won in court. | Mar 19 22:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My goal was to soften up the enemy and create the impression that they were likely to lose, so they would offer me a deal in that frame of mind. | Mar 19 22:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In the end I was basically like "Let's be reasonable. You come down to the pettiest crime that this could possibly be. Don't mention anything really damaging. We'll say I was a minor nuisance. I take a couple months of minimal probation, pay a small fine. Everyone walks out of here with something. | Mar 19 22:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What is Disorderly Conduct? It's an anything crime really. | Mar 19 22:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's basically stumbling down the sidewalk drunk thing. | Mar 19 22:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Or yelling at someone in an unreasonable volume of tone of voice. | Mar 19 22:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Or asking someone if they have a dollar. | Mar 19 22:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's sort of a catch all for when the state wants to slap you. | Mar 19 22:30 |
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