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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 18/5/2020: Linux 5.7-rc6, Skopeo 1.0 and More []May 19 00:21
schestowitz 19 00:49
schestowitz"May 19 00:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | BREAKING: EBA finds plants produced by essentially biological processes are NOT patentable (G3/19) - The IPKatMay 19 00:49
schestowitzDear Broccoli, May 19 00:49
schestowitzThe role of the EBA is by no means “to generate new law based on its expertise”. This is the role of the legislator in a system in which there is separation of powers. May 19 00:49
schestowitzAccording to Art 22(1, a and b) the EBA’s role lies in deciding on points of law referred to it by Boards of Appeal, or in giving opinions on points of law referred to it by the President of the EPO. May 19 00:49
schestowitzThe president of the EPO is the executive, and the AC is the legislative as far as the Rules of Implementation of the EPC is concerned. In order to amend the EPC it needs a diplomatic conference.May 19 00:49
schestowitzWhat is at stake here is the fact that the only way to deal with the problem created by R 28(2) was to amend the EPC by calling a diplomatic conference. That the AC and the president are manifestly not keen to call a diplomatic conference is not a reason for the president to twist the arm of the EBA with the support of the AC. May 19 00:49
schestowitzA judicial body is not there to “attune itself to the need of the time”. A “dynamic interpretation is [certainly not] best suited to our rapidly changing times”, as it introduces legal uncertainty. That the law reflects society and its evolution is not a problem, but here the EBA has bowed to the pressure of both the president and the AC. May 19 00:49
schestowitzIf there had been a decision of the CJEU, or even a motion adopted by the European Parliament, one could at a pinch have tolerated that the BA amends its case law, but here it is the result of a wish of the Commission which has no competence as such to dictate to any court what interpretation should be given to a law which is not only common to EU contracting states, but also to non-EU member states. May 19 00:49
schestowitzIf tomorrow the UPC, should it ever come to life, issues decisions which are contrary to those of the EBA, will the latter have to adapt its position by using a “dynamic interpretation of its own case law”. I hope not, but the subservient attitude of the EBA in the present matter has created a dangerous precedent. May 19 00:49
schestowitzI would not put it past some applicants in the field, to make an attempt to bring one or more contracting states before an international arbitration chamber, as they can claim that all the investments they made in the field were in vain and cannot be recouped as patent protection is denied. May be one will even be daring to cite the EPO before such an arbitration chamber.May 19 00:49
schestowitzDynamite and dynamic are very close. Let’s hope that the whole situation it has created will not backfire on the EBA. May 19 00:49
schestowitz"May 19 00:49
DaemonFC[m]DuckDuckGo has a billboard up in Waukegan now.May 19 00:55
schestowitzfake privacyMay 19 01:47
schestowitzfalse advertisingMay 19 01:47
schestowitzprobably looking to capitalise on news re google antitrustMay 19 01:49
schestowitzand then push you to Microsoft through the face of some lame duckMay 19 01:50
DaemonFC[m]It asks if you're tired of companies violating your privacy.May 19 02:39
schestowitzlolMay 19 02:51
schestowitzyes, so fuck off, ddgMay 19 02:51
schestowitz>>From Github:May 19 03:08
schestowitz> May 19 03:08
schestowitz> Pádraig Brady May 19 03:08
schestowitz> Facebook engineer, GNU coreutils maintainer May 19 03:08
schestowitzGAFAM everywhere...May 19 03:08
cybrNautMACFANG (ms apple cloudflare fb amazon neflix google)May 19 03:16
cybrNautit's important to get the "C" in there b/c it's more evil than some of the others, and has the least public awarenessMay 19 03:30
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: KDE/Qt: QML and GitLab []May 19 04:36
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: The cheapest laptop in the world is powered by a 28-year-old operating system []May 19 04:42
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: EU Parliament Strongly Recommends Developing and Using Open Source Software []May 19 05:11
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: "European Parliament strongly recommends any software developed by and for the EU institutions to be made publicly available under free and open source software license" []May 19 05:15
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DaemonFC[m]TuxMachines doesn't look great on mobile Vivaldi.May 19 06:34
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in Techrights []May 19 08:48
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zoobabUK IP associations have urged the government to drastically change its IP strategy for Brexit, which in its current form would “seriously risk undermining the UK’s economic interests”.May 19 10:23
zoobab 19 10:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | ‘Clock is ticking’ on Brexit talks, UK IP associations warn - Intellectual Property MagazineMay 19 10:23
schestowitzlolMay 19 10:27
schestowitzdefunct 'magazine'May 19 10:27
schestowitznobody even reads itMay 19 10:28
schestowitziirc, jeremy was involved in this site tooMay 19 10:28
schestowitzbut I cannot recall the details offhand, maybe I confuse two trade pubs with a similar nameMay 19 10:28
schestowitzzoobab: don't worry... you sometimes panic more than necessaryMay 19 10:28
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schestowitz 19 11:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@UPCtracker: „Judge Huber’s comment in the FAZ reaffirms that the Constitutional Court’s reservations against the #UPC Agreement… 19 11:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@UPCtracker: „Judge Huber’s comment in the FAZ reaffirms that the Constitutional Court’s reservations against the #UPC Agreement… 19 11:29
schestowitz"„Judge Huber’s comment in the FAZ reaffirms that the Constitutional Court’s reservations against the #UPC Agreement are not limited to the formal errors which were made when passing the German ratification act in parliament. /2 …"May 19 11:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Primacy of EU Law over National Law – German Federal Constitutional Court Judge Comments On Unified Patent Court Decision - Kluwer Patent BlogMay 19 11:29
schestowitz 19 11:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@UPCtracker: Rather, it appears that the court’s concerns also relate to the substance of the UPC Agreement.“ Primacy of EU Law… 19 11:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@UPCtracker: Rather, it appears that the court’s concerns also relate to the substance of the UPC Agreement.“ Primacy of EU Law… 19 11:29
schestowitz"Rather, it appears that the court’s concerns also relate to the substance of the UPC Agreement.“ Primacy of EU Law over National Law – German Federal Constitutional Court Judge Comments On Unified Patent Court Decision - Kluwer Patent Blog"May 19 11:29
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Pandemic stress test: The open source cloud is up to the challenge []May 19 11:41
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: An open source HTTP router to increase your network visibility []May 19 11:43
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Endless OS 3.8.1 Released: A Mobile-Like Streamlined Linux Experience []May 19 11:45
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers []May 19 11:46
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 24 Linux desktops you need to try []May 19 11:48
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4415338)May 19 13:28
schestowitzMinceR: 19 13:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hungary's Government Using Pandemic Emergency Powers To Silence Critics | TechdirtMay 19 13:40
MinceRnice articleMay 19 13:43
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos []May 19 14:01
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers []May 19 14:11
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux distro review: Fedora Workstation 32 []May 19 14:13
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Defold, Streets of Rage 4, Artifact 2.0, The Yellow King, Monster Sanctuary and 3dSen []May 19 14:25
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mahmoud Khalil and Ujjwal Kumar Work on GNOME in GSoC []May 19 14:47
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: BSD: Clang 11.0 and OpenBSD []May 19 14:51
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: FSFE calls for a more inclusive competition law in Europe []May 19 14:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - TeleporterMay 19 16:04
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #GCC 10 vs. #Clang 10 #Compiler Performance On #AMD Zen 2 + #Intel Cascade Lake []May 19 16:10
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Canonical Outs Linux Kernel Security Updates for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS and 16.04 LTS []May 19 16:12
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: GitLab's take on the current state of DevOps []May 19 16:17
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merzbirdhey, would someone with wiki access add the project 'secure scuttlebutt' to #delete-github? it's supposed to be a decentralized communication protocol, but the only way to join is currently through m$ and i feel as though they need some pressure before they'll changeMay 19 16:25
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NarratorhiMay 19 16:48
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XRevan86Narrator: hiMay 19 17:04
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Neural NetworksMay 19 17:29
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: How to Install Unity Desktop in Ubuntu 20.04 LTS []May 19 19:25
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Devices: AMS210, ESP32 and Raspberry Pi []May 19 19:33
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DaemonFC[m]I was reading an article about how weird it is to not even want to go shopping anymore now that it's hard to do anyway.May 19 21:32
DaemonFC[m]I said, "Yeah, other than food, shelter, and transporation, most of what people spend their money on is bullshit.".May 19 21:32
DaemonFC[m]"It took a virus to reveal that to people apparently."May 19 21:33
DaemonFC[m]I think what the 1% is afraid of is people realizing that they didn't get to go to the mall and it really made zero negative impact on their lives.May 19 21:35
DaemonFC[m]There's absolutely nothing genuine about these "Open up!" protests. They're being organized in the background by rich business owners and the Trump campaign.May 19 21:36
MinceRdunno, i've seen a headline about people who were missing _standing in line_ for a gin or somethingMay 19 21:36
MinceRnot the drink itself, but standing in line for itMay 19 21:36
MinceRpeople are surprisingly stupidMay 19 21:36
MinceRbut yeah, the people organizing those protests have done practically nothing to disguise the fact that they're astroturfingMay 19 21:38
DaemonFC[m]I miss standing in line. Because one day I'll be on my death bed and I'll say "You know, my biggest regret is that I didn't spend more time in line. If only I had just spent more time going to the DMV and taking a ticket and waiting four hours while a security guard yelled at people, I would have been more complete.".May 19 21:38
MinceR:>May 19 21:38
DaemonFC[m]Amazon has a new series called "Upload".May 19 21:39
DaemonFC[m]Apparently, it's about people uploading a copy of their mind to a digital world right before they die and they just get to spend eternity there.May 19 21:40
DaemonFC[m]In the preview, the guy presses a button and there's McDonalds food in the machine and he goes to grab it and a micro payment option comes up.May 19 21:40
MinceRand how other people will make it even more of a hell than life in this society already is?May 19 21:40
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 19/5/2020: OpenBSD 6.7, #EndlessOS 3.8.1 #bsd #unix #gnu #linux []May 19 21:40
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Embedded computers tap Jetson Xavier NX and AGX Xavier []May 19 21:41
DaemonFC[m]I was like "Yeah, that would be my hell. I get to live eternity in a world where you're dead but you still have to pay for things.".May 19 21:41
MinceR:>May 19 21:42
DaemonFC[m]It never did say in the preview how you're supposed to work and make money if you're dead.May 19 21:42
DaemonFC[m]Maybe in the future your bill collectors will call and the guy at the call center is dead, but still wants to know why you're late on the Mastercard.May 19 21:42
DaemonFC[m]People will have to compete with jobs with an endless amount of dead people. May 19 21:43
DaemonFC[m]I think Marx would have something to say about this.May 19 21:43
MinceRsomething stupid, no doubtMay 19 21:43
DaemonFC[m]Although there would finally be enough customer service minions for my mom to complain about her blender to.May 19 21:43
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: It would be perfect for the rich though. Maybe when you die your debts follow your avatar into the virtual world and you still have to pay them.May 19 21:45
MinceRand it will be mandatory for you to move into this virtual afterlifeMay 19 21:45
MinceRno escape for the people in debtMay 19 21:45
oiaohmschestowitz:  I guess you have seen this.May 19 21:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | DirectX ❤ Linux | DirectX Developer BlogMay 19 21:49
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Mandy demands Tide Sport laundry detergent. It's $18 for a 46 ounce bottle.May 19 21:52
oiaohm  Of course there is already questions that Microsoft developers is not answering well.May 19 21:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [RFC PATCH 0/4] DirectX on LinuxMay 19 21:53
DaemonFC[m]Aldi has a knockoff that's like $6.50, so I saved the Tide Sport bottle and every time it's empty, I refill it with a jug from Aldi that smells the same.May 19 21:53
DaemonFC[m]He hasn't noticed.May 19 21:53
MinceREEE, as usualMay 19 22:00
psydroid 19 22:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gregkh: DirectX on Linux, very cool: 19 22:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> | [RFC PATCH 0/4] DirectX on Linux - Sasha LevinMay 19 22:03
psydroidIs it just me or it sucks? If I read it well it means: Linux running inside windows will be able to use Windows directx but nothing opposite? It means that you could have linux gui programs only able to run on Windows?May 19 22:04
MinceRthat's exactly the sort of thing you can expect from microshitMay 19 22:05
psydroidindeedMay 19 22:05
MinceR*/Linux applications that will only work when running in a VM on a Backdoors hostMay 19 22:05
MinceRsounds like the sort of shit they'd blackmail Linus so they can get it mergedMay 19 22:06
psydroidbut this is the final phase of their battle, there isn't much else they can do before their empire crumblesMay 19 22:06
psydroidyesMay 19 22:06
psydroidif WSL 1.0, 2.0 and 3.0 don't work, pile more and more crap on  top of it so it will eventually stickMay 19 22:07
MinceRthere are multiple approaches at work hereMay 19 22:08
MinceRtake over Linux, make Linux as shitty as Backdoors, make Linux depend on BackdoorsMay 19 22:08
MinceRpsydread: can the Orange Pi Win Plus do full HD in true color? (24bit or more)May 19 22:09
psydroidMinceR, is there any way I can check?May 19 22:09
psydroidfull HD works, that's how I run itMay 19 22:10
MinceRdunno how that thing is configuredMay 19 22:10
MinceRthat's niceMay 19 22:10
MinceRmaybe you can use xwininfo or xprop to ask for color depth, i'll checkMay 19 22:10
psydroidbut if you are asking about video playback, I think ther e are still some ways to goMay 19 22:10
psydroidokMay 19 22:10
MinceRxwininfo -rootMay 19 22:10
MinceRcheck the Depth lineMay 19 22:10
psydroidI am also running KVM on it for aarch64, armel and armhf virtual machinesMay 19 22:11
MinceRniceMay 19 22:11
psydroidlet me seeMay 19 22:11
DaemonFC[m]So DirectX on Linux has nothing to do with Linux.May 19 22:12
MinceRwell, it seems to be an EEE offensive against Linux, by getting code merged into LinuxMay 19 22:13
DaemonFC[m]Not only are the Shared objects only compatible with the Linux kernel used in WSL2, but they're stubs that just call out to the Windows 10 DirectX and they're proprietary too.May 19 22:13
DaemonFC[m]Well, that's nice.May 19 22:13
DaemonFC[m]How is this not a GPL violation?May 19 22:13
MinceRthe GPL no longer matters thereMay 19 22:14
DaemonFC[m]They're shipping an actual Linux kernel with modules that are under a proprietary license.May 19 22:14
MinceRthe Microsoft Linux Foundation is largely controlled by GPL violatorsMay 19 22:14
MinceRif someone speaks out, they'll be banned from the project on the basis of the CoCMay 19 22:14
psydread Width: 1920May 19 22:14
psydread  Height: 1080May 19 22:14
psydread  Depth: 24May 19 22:14
psydread  Visual: 0x21May 19 22:14
psydread  Visual Class: TrueColorMay 19 22:14
psydread  Border width: 0May 19 22:14
MinceRpsydread: nice, thanksMay 19 22:14
MinceRi'll have to look into getting one of thoseMay 19 22:14
psydreadwell, it's 3 years old nowMay 19 22:14
MinceRmaybe there's a successor with this capabilityMay 19 22:15
psydreadbut it has good upstream support nowMay 19 22:15
psydreadif I had to get something now, it would probably be something like Odroid C4May 19 22:15
psydreadI got 2 of these Orange Pi boards just to play with and I had no expectations that things would turn out so well (but only after 2-3 years)May 19 22:17
scientesI just use scalewayMay 19 22:17
scientesI find those things are too time consumingMay 19 22:17
oiaohmpsydread: you read it right.     And that is break of Linux kernel policy there is a open source userspace requirement so that drivers can be tested.  Vmware has had their unique code rejected for the same reason.May 19 22:18
oiaohmNote they are wanting mesa on top of dx12 as well.May 19 22:19
psydreadthat makes sense, if you need a reliable machine for developmentMay 19 22:20
MinceRthe Backdoors host doesn't make sense if you need a reliable machine for developmentMay 19 22:20
psydreadthis was basically just dogfooding and seeing what works and what doesn'tMay 19 22:20
psydreadat times I just had it lying in the drawer wondering if things would work some dayMay 19 22:21
psydreadyeah, that was about what scientes saidMay 19 22:22
psydreadnot about Backdoors, which is unfit for any purposeMay 19 22:22
scientesI also only have one computer at a timeMay 19 22:23
oiaohmReally stacking mesa on top dx12 means Microsoft does not have to implement virgil.May 19 22:23
scientesas the sync between multiple is always too time consuming tooMay 19 22:23
scientessame reason I avoid VMsMay 19 22:23
oiaohmI find VM handy when I am messing with custom kernel suff.May 19 22:23
oiaohmsuff/stuffMay 19 22:23
psydreadoiaohm, that was a comment on Twitter, but I felt that that person was the only one who really got itMay 19 22:24
oiaohmOf course if wsl2 end up supporting graphical Linux applications.    Question will come for application developers do I make a Windows application or do I just make a generic flatpak or equal.May 19 22:27
MinceRor a flatpak that will only run on systemd/Linux running on top of Backdoors10May 19 22:27
oiaohmNot really. vkd3d from wine for a lot of applications using a dx12 interface on Linux would be able to be subituted in.May 19 22:29
psydreadyeah, that was funny last year, when I was writing and testing a driver and I couldn't unload itMay 19 22:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4411669)May 19 22:29
psydreadso I had to reboot the host and decided to do all testing in a virtual machine insteadMay 19 22:29
oiaohmpsydread: I have 3 different expermentmal code that plays with the elf loader in the LInux kernel itself.May 19 22:30
oiaohmThat is true Pandora box.May 19 22:31
oiaohmI am trying to may the loader on elf and other things safely changable without modified binaries.May 19 22:31
oiaohmmay/makeMay 19 22:31
psydreadthat's exactly what VMs are useful forMay 19 22:33
DaemonFC[m]You really have to wonder why Microsoft keeps Bing alive.May 19 22:36
MinceRto collect data on peopleMay 19 22:36
DaemonFC[m]It can't possibly be making money and their usage share actually went down noticeably in the months after they implemented a CP filter after the news busted them again.May 19 22:36
MinceRremember how furious Monkey Boy was about google doing better at collecting data on peopleMay 19 22:37
DaemonFC[m]Then Microsoft ran an ad campaign about Google being creepy.May 19 22:39
DaemonFC[m]While Microsoft is literally filling up hard drives with child porn according to the ones that got arrested by the police later and told them where they got it. LOLMay 19 22:39
DaemonFC[m]Stay classy.May 19 22:39
DaemonFC[m]It's shit like this that makes Congress say "See, we need more laws!".May 19 22:43
MinceRlolMay 19 22:43
DaemonFC[m]They could go after Microsoft for that with dozens, if not hundreds, of existing laws.May 19 22:43
DaemonFC[m]Same as they can go after anyone else.May 19 22:43
MinceRah yes, this will be totally fixed by laws that will not be enforced against any megacorporationsMay 19 22:44
DaemonFC[m]Yep.May 19 22:54
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft helps the government solve all kinds of crime.May 19 22:54
DaemonFC[m]When you run Windows your computer's file system can be mounted by anyone who gains access to it, so even if the built-in spyware doesn't narc on you, any local cop can send your computer to the local crime lab.May 19 22:55
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