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DaemonFC[m] | Had to fall back to doing it over the phone. | Jun 19 00:01 |
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XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: bad connection? | Jun 19 00:06 |
DaemonFC[m] | Couldn't get my phone to switch to the correct camera. | Jun 19 00:06 |
XRevan86 | In Jitsi Meet the switcher is right in the menu. | Jun 19 00:07 |
XRevan86 | dropdown menu | Jun 19 00:07 |
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MinceR | (cat) http://surrounder.nl/birth.jpg | Jun 19 13:25 |
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XRevan86 | > While browsing for reading materials on George Floyd and #BlackLivesMatter I stumbled upon your article:https://loadaverage.org/conversation/13771253 | Jun 19 14:57 |
XRevan86 | > What a great find! This brings to mind, we have an article on top poster designs on George Floyd protests which we hope you'll like it and add to your collection. | Jun 19 14:57 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-loadaverage.org | Conversation - LoadAverage | Jun 19 14:57 | |
XRevan86 | That's a new one. | Jun 19 14:57 |
XRevan86 | > Let's help each other in sharing awareness of #BlackLivesMatter far and wide! | Jun 19 14:57 |
XRevan86 | Socially aware spammers second day in a row | Jun 19 14:58 |
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scientes | XRevan86, I wouldn't call it socially aware, more like fear mongering | Jun 19 15:44 |
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XRevan86 | scientes: I'm not socially aware enough to tell the difference anyway. | Jun 19 15:55 |
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scientes | XRevan86, #llvm on OFTC and llvm-dev is blowing up with one of those master/slave discussions | Jun 19 16:35 |
scientes | and something about the russian language | Jun 19 16:36 |
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scientes | I don't really get it | Jun 19 16:36 |
XRevan86 | boyar/kholop ? | Jun 19 16:36 |
scientes | actually, yes I've seen it | Jun 19 16:36 |
scientes | one of the reasons I left the US | Jun 19 16:36 |
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scientes | the computer conferences were taken over by stories about how hard to is to be trans-sexual | Jun 19 16:36 |
XRevan86 | Is there a public log? | Jun 19 16:37 |
scientes | http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/2020-June/142445.html | Jun 19 16:37 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.llvm.org | [llvm-dev] Inclusive language in LLVM: can we rename `master`branch? | Jun 19 16:37 | |
XRevan86 | > I am perfectly aware that `master` has other significations than the master/slave meaning, and I personally never made this association in the past. However I'm also able to recognize that I'm privileged here, and that not everyone is in the same position. | Jun 19 16:38 |
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scientes | oh geeze, SJW | Jun 19 16:38 |
XRevan86 | So, just in case, eh? | Jun 19 16:38 |
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scientes | they were just in the <s>universities</s> day-cares, and then they mutated and spread to society | Jun 19 16:39 |
XRevan86 | An Iranian name though. | Jun 19 16:39 |
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XRevan86 | scientes: https://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/2020-June/142448.html got to it | Jun 19 16:41 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.llvm.org | [llvm-dev] Inclusive language in LLVM: can we rename `master`branch? | Jun 19 16:41 | |
XRevan86 | scientes: The guy is trying to push the logic to the limits with an analogy. | Jun 19 16:41 |
scientes | XRevan86, i get the feeling he is trolling | Jun 19 16:41 |
XRevan86 | Yes, he is. | Jun 19 16:42 |
scientes | but trolling that I like :) | Jun 19 16:42 |
scientes | but in #llvm they are eating it up | Jun 19 16:42 |
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XRevan86 | scientes: He has a point though, since that is a more fair point than "blacklist" | Jun 19 16:43 |
scientes | except now they have digressed to switching back to SVN for inclusiveness reasons | Jun 19 16:43 |
scientes | which is pretty funny | Jun 19 16:43 |
XRevan86 | because words "rab" and "rabota" are indeed related. | Jun 19 16:43 |
XRevan86 | https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Slavic/orbota | Jun 19 16:44 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | Reconstruction:Proto-Slavic/orbota - Wiktionary | Jun 19 16:44 | |
cybrNaut | schestowitz (or anyone): whatever happened with the Microsoft contract with ICE? Employees petitioned and pressured the CEO to stop working with ICE, but it's unclear with all the weasel-wording if MS actually stopped working with ICE. | Jun 19 16:44 |
XRevan86 | *orbota: from *orbъ + *-ota, where *orbъ means slave. | Jun 19 16:44 |
XRevan86 | scientes: So unless with blacklists, there is indeed a genuine connection there %). | Jun 19 16:45 |
XRevan86 | * unlike with | Jun 19 16:45 |
scientes | XRevan86, maybe we should put everyone in this discussion on the redlist | Jun 19 16:45 |
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scientes | <dmlloyd> it comes down to: do you have empathy or not? | Jun 19 16:46 |
scientes | wow, someone just pointed out the whole cause of this crazy | Jun 19 16:46 |
scientes | social collapse of the US | Jun 19 16:47 |
scientes | i.e. no-one cares about anyone else | Jun 19 16:47 |
XRevan86 | And that's also a loan from OCS (ties in to the yesterday's discussion), the inherited form would be rob and robota. | Jun 19 16:47 |
XRevan86 | > If the name of our branch causes anxiety/difficulty for a significant portion of our population, it is literally the least we can do to choose a word that better respects the last few centuries of world history. | Jun 19 16:49 |
XRevan86 | Someone makes up a problem, and then that is used as justification. | Jun 19 16:49 |
XRevan86 | How significant is that portion anyway? | Jun 19 16:49 |
XRevan86 | Did anyone care until someone had that ill-concieved thought that "master" in Git means slave ownership? | Jun 19 16:50 |
XRevan86 | scientes: So in way it wasn't trolling, this is a very similiar situation. | Jun 19 16:51 |
XRevan86 | except that no one cares about what's happening outside of English and the US specifically, so there's that | Jun 19 16:52 |
XRevan86 | > I won't stop any kind of rename, but renames have to be done for a | Jun 19 16:53 |
XRevan86 | technical merit, not a political correctness merit | Jun 19 16:53 |
XRevan86 | I'd argue that this isn't even political correctness worthy. | Jun 19 16:53 |
XRevan86 | > And I'll go so far as to say that this frivolous renaming occurring across the board is doing more harm than good in the name of 'respecting the last few centuries', as it forces people to highlight that aspect of history, and not move on as a society. | Jun 19 16:54 |
XRevan86 | And that is a very good point. Because that stuff didn't exist there, but now it is. | Jun 19 16:55 |
XRevan86 | > Much as I hate to use this sort of language, that statement appears to be blaming the victim for not getting over it and progressing to a connotation-free reading of language. | Jun 19 16:56 |
XRevan86 | And this devalues "victim-blaming". | Jun 19 16:57 |
XRevan86 | Thanks, Paul, now when someone will say something about victim-blaming, I will not think about raped women being blamed, I will think about this woman: https://youtu.be/hEg0MCSr098 who convicted with a felony a dude for playing Pokemon Go in a church. | Jun 19 16:58 |
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XRevan86 | > But language is never free of connotations, even if you and I don't see those connotations. | Jun 19 17:00 |
XRevan86 | True. Now "victim-blaming" will get this connotation more and more. | Jun 19 17:00 |
XRevan86 | because of overuse | Jun 19 17:00 |
XRevan86 | > Maybe we could have a "dictionary" to refer to the terms we use to replace old ones. | Jun 19 17:04 |
XRevan86 | I'd prefer an RSS feed. | Jun 19 17:04 |
XRevan86 | scientes: I didn't see any replies to that nabrós about "rabota" | Jun 19 17:06 |
XRevan86 | Anyway, just how I can't really argue with that woman offended by Pokemon Go blasphemy, I can't really argue with this either. | Jun 19 17:09 |
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XRevan86 | Nothing is too far-fetched. | Jun 19 17:11 |
XRevan86 | And if you're one of those people who think that the Russian nation should pay retribution for oppressing religion, then for you it wouldn't be a foreign concept that this guy should serve a sentence. | Jun 19 17:13 |
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schestowitz | f[16:44] <cybrNaut> schestowitz (or anyone): whatever happened with the Microsoft contract with ICE? Employees petitioned and pressured the CEO to stop working with ICE, but it's unclear with all the weasel-wording if MS actually stopped working with ICE. | Jun 19 17:28 |
schestowitz | I was about to add | Jun 19 17:28 |
schestowitz | (to my post) | Jun 19 17:28 |
schestowitz | that as far as we know they NEVER withdrew | Jun 19 17:28 |
schestowitz | what they DID do: | Jun 19 17:28 |
schestowitz | they planted fake news in the media | Jun 19 17:29 |
schestowitz | it was about a mythical (at the time) "arctic vault" | Jun 19 17:29 |
schestowitz | and then spammed the whole Web with it | Jun 19 17:29 |
schestowitz | it started with bloomber/ashley vance | Jun 19 17:29 |
schestowitz | where dina bass works | Jun 19 17:29 |
schestowitz | and it worked | Jun 19 17:29 |
schestowitz | they quickly shifted all attention to this fake news | Jun 19 17:29 |
schestowitz | days earlier there were articles about high-profile github engs fleeing | Jun 19 17:29 |
schestowitz | [16:41] <scientes> XRevan86, i get the feeling he is trolling | Jun 19 17:31 |
schestowitz | trolls can be ignored | Jun 19 17:31 |
cybrNaut | i think it's clear that MS is offering github and their office products to ICE, but I'm not sure about the AI. ICE and Palantir both get their cloud computing from AWS. So would it make sense for them to use Azure if they are already using AWS? | Jun 19 17:31 |
schestowitz | it's by far the easiest way to deal with them | Jun 19 17:31 |
schestowitz | what is HEY HI? | Jun 19 17:31 |
schestowitz | data-mining? | Jun 19 17:31 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: It's more like fat mockery, really. | Jun 19 17:32 |
XRevan86 | like "if you do this then why don't you go all the way and do this", except shallowly disguised as a genuine concern. | Jun 19 17:33 |
schestowitz | they narrow down a shame list | Jun 19 17:35 |
schestowitz | until with help from the media they'll bully all those who don't budge | Jun 19 17:35 |
schestowitz | and then they will move on to the next word | Jun 19 17:35 |
schestowitz | like picking on ipfire over whitelists etc. | Jun 19 17:35 |
schestowitz | asking to change their software | Jun 19 17:35 |
schestowitz | as if suddenly sec gurus in companies will be black people, because the strings in the GUIs changed a bit | Jun 19 17:36 |
schestowitz | enrollment at universities will soar among the black community | Jun 19 17:36 |
schestowitz | they never applied not because they lacked money... but because the prospectus/syllabus mentioned "blacklist" | Jun 19 17:36 |
schestowitz | of course this is all nonsense | Jun 19 17:37 |
schestowitz | and here we are talking about it, instead of sw freedom | Jun 19 17:37 |
schestowitz | today I saw one red hat employee entertaining this | Jun 19 17:37 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: Yes, this one change will make colleges in the US affordable for all. | Jun 19 17:37 |
XRevan86 | or at least slightly more affordable | Jun 19 17:37 |
schestowitz | [16:12] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): "All I can say is that I find some words like whiltelist, blacklist and master/slave awful. I do realize that the context in git might not be racist, however I am trying to be nice-by-default person." https://lukas.zapletalovi.com/2020/06/on-git-master-mai... [https://pleroma.site/objects/ee00a6ee-b44d-417c-8f7e-4902db2d0e26] | Jun 19 17:37 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://lukas.zapletalovi.com/2020/06/on-git-master-mai ) | Jun 19 17:37 | |
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XRevan86 | it's one step, not the whole way, after all | Jun 19 17:37 |
schestowitz | If he said something different, ibm/redhat can reprimand him | Jun 19 17:38 |
schestowitz | they already have a maJOR PR issue (not push request) with black people | Jun 19 17:38 |
schestowitz | after their NYPD work | Jun 19 17:38 |
XRevan86 | All I can say is that I find some words like hardware, network and binary awful. I do realize that the context might not be racist, however I am trying to be nice-by-default person. | Jun 19 17:39 |
schestowitz | admissions and scholarship might be a better area for these people to push on... not mailing lists of llvm | Jun 19 17:39 |
schestowitz | this isn't going to make llvm more welcoming | Jun 19 17:39 |
schestowitz | it's a mirage | Jun 19 17:39 |
schestowitz | it might even make llvm look like a political project and thus less welcoming | Jun 19 17:39 |
schestowitz | like a speech polite project | Jun 19 17:39 |
XRevan86 | ("binary" is actually offensive to some, so it's not that much of a joke) | Jun 19 17:39 |
schestowitz | binary: 0,1 | Jun 19 17:40 |
schestowitz | true/false | Jun 19 17:40 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: This offends SQL. true/false/unknown! | Jun 19 17:40 |
schestowitz | if someone finds this offensive, their stay alive/suicide mode would be better off suicide | Jun 19 17:40 |
schestowitz | I didn't see anywhere a complaint about "binary" | Jun 19 17:40 |
schestowitz | oct | Jun 19 17:40 |
schestowitz | hex | Jun 19 17:40 |
schestowitz | bi | Jun 19 17:40 |
schestowitz | tri | Jun 19 17:40 |
schestowitz | nothing wrong with that | Jun 19 17:41 |
scientes | XRevan86, that is still funny | Jun 19 17:41 |
scientes | that SQL's binary is a tri-state | Jun 19 17:41 |
schestowitz | maybe they want to reinvent physics to suit trans people too? | Jun 19 17:41 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: You're taking it seriously… | Jun 19 17:41 |
schestowitz | oh, wait.. | Jun 19 17:41 |
schestowitz | someone might try | Jun 19 17:41 |
XRevan86 | Yes, that's what I mean. | Jun 19 17:41 |
schestowitz | never underestimate it | Jun 19 17:41 |
schestowitz | after slave they targeted master in contexts that lack "slave" | Jun 19 17:42 |
schestowitz | black is lack of light | Jun 19 17:42 |
XRevan86 | It's not on the agenda, but I wouldn't call it completely safe. | Jun 19 17:42 |
schestowitz | or absorbance of photons | Jun 19 17:42 |
schestowitz | white is reflecting, absorbs nothing | Jun 19 17:42 |
XRevan86 | A month ago I'd rate it less safe than master, really. | Jun 19 17:42 |
schestowitz | so blacklist make logic sense, nothing to do with skin pigmentation | Jun 19 17:42 |
schestowitz | I ping you, the packet bounces back | Jun 19 17:42 |
schestowitz | or maybe they want to reverse things | Jun 19 17:43 |
schestowitz | blacklists will be the welcomes list | Jun 19 17:43 |
schestowitz | and whitelist the shitlist | Jun 19 17:43 |
schestowitz | hey, let's say shitlist | Jun 19 17:43 |
schestowitz | nothing offensive about it | Jun 19 17:43 |
schestowitz | people talking about poo in mailing lists | Jun 19 17:43 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: It's actually not a native to IT term. Not sure about the actual origin though. | Jun 19 17:43 |
schestowitz | then some females will get offended | Jun 19 17:43 |
XRevan86 | But somewhere in the same realm as pink slips | Jun 19 17:44 |
schestowitz | then you'll explain to them guys too have rectums and - gasp - shit | Jun 19 17:44 |
schestowitz | like RMS had to remind people guys too can be virgins and many are | Jun 19 17:44 |
schestowitz | pinkwashing | Jun 19 17:44 |
schestowitz | pink is not them | Jun 19 17:44 |
schestowitz | they hijacked the colour, so to speak | Jun 19 17:44 |
XRevan86 | Is it offensive to use the colour of feminism for firing employees? | Jun 19 17:44 |
schestowitz | like "rainbows", "gays" | Jun 19 17:44 |
schestowitz | it's a self-selecting thing | Jun 19 17:45 |
XRevan86 | As if it's to hint that women should be fired. | Jun 19 17:45 |
schestowitz | repelling what already has those symbols as "offensive" would be major "chutzpah" | Jun 19 17:45 |
schestowitz | when did females pick pink? | Jun 19 17:45 |
schestowitz | A century ago pink was a man's colour | Jun 19 17:46 |
schestowitz | so you need to go back to the moment pink was starting to be associated with women and who's responsible | Jun 19 17:46 |
schestowitz | these are all mere symbols, their skin isn't pink or anything | Jun 19 17:46 |
XRevan86 | There's nothing inherent to any of that. | Jun 19 17:47 |
schestowitz | http://pyfound.blogspot.com/2020/06/2020-python-software-foundation-board.html | Jun 19 17:49 |
schestowitz | need help | Jun 19 17:49 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pyfound.blogspot.com | Python Software Foundation News: 2020 Python Software Foundation Board of Directors Election Results | Jun 19 17:49 | |
schestowitz | The four top votegetters via approval voting are: | Jun 19 17:49 |
schestowitz | Nina Zakharenko | Jun 19 17:49 |
schestowitz | Dustin Ingram | Jun 19 17:49 |
schestowitz | Jeff Triplett | Jun 19 17:49 |
schestowitz | Thomas Wouters | Jun 19 17:49 |
schestowitz | who are the respective employers? | Jun 19 17:49 |
schestowitz | exercise to the reader | Jun 19 17:49 |
schestowitz | remember guido left amid the whole "master" flamewtorm, the first of this kind afaik | Jun 19 17:50 |
schestowitz | *flamestorm | Jun 19 17:50 |
schestowitz | it would not shock me if at least one is good, another github/msft | Jun 19 17:51 |
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XRevan86 | https://youtu.be/igtLqhX4BCA I feel enlightened | Jun 19 18:02 |
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DaemonFC[m] | Okay, Florida and Arizona clearly have a crisis brewing with Coronavirus that moved from "Uhhhhh....." to "What the fuck is going on in there?". | Jun 19 19:51 |
DaemonFC[m] | Both states reported nearly 4,000 new cases each today. | Jun 19 19:51 |
DaemonFC[m] | Governor DeSantis in Florida tried to claim that they're getting waves of new infections due to higher levels of testing. | Jun 19 19:53 |
DaemonFC[m] | The state has tested at 70% of the rate of Illinois. | Jun 19 19:53 |
DaemonFC[m] | They clearly have a rapidly growing Coronavirus problem in Florida that the government wants people to not talk about. | Jun 19 19:53 |
DaemonFC[m] | They've added over 9,500 new confirmed cases in the last 3 days. | Jun 19 19:54 |
DaemonFC[m] | Florida and Arizona have driven the national 3 day rolling average of new confirmed cases to the worst it has been since May 16th. | Jun 19 19:55 |
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XRevan86 | MinceR: I like the follow-up, when they realised they're trying to EULA a tag that has barely anything to do with them. | Jun 19 20:31 |
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DaemonFC[m] | The Republican Party's attitude about Coronavirus is "Shit happens. Go buy stuff!". | Jun 19 23:07 |
DaemonFC[m] | Doesn't look like people are going for it, so our economy is in the toilet, but enough people are playing ball that the death toll is higher than it has to be anyway. | Jun 19 23:07 |
MinceR | shit 'appens | Jun 19 23:10 |
MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L9In8RC9E4 | Jun 19 23:10 |
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DaemonFC[m] | I found a program that does hiss, click, and pop removal fairly well for vinyl rips. | Jun 19 23:13 |
DaemonFC[m] | It's proprietary, but someone on RuTracker is using it, so I don't really have to worry about that. | Jun 19 23:13 |
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