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DaemonFC[m]There's a new commercial for something called Xiaflex.Aug 19 00:02
DaemonFC[m]Appreantly it's a series of 8 injections into the penis that can help men with bent penises straighten them out.Aug 19 00:02
DaemonFC[m]It costs $46,000.Aug 19 00:02
XRevan86How can I unknow this?Aug 19 00:06
MinceR:>Aug 19 00:26
MinceRprobably using something called ethanolAug 19 00:26
DaemonFC[m]The commercial has men holding up deformed vegetables.Aug 19 00:31
XRevan86MinceR: Not worth it.Aug 19 00:33
MinceR:>Aug 19 00:34
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DaemonFC[m]I'm not allowed to drink alcohol right now.Aug 19 00:51
DaemonFC[m]Probation.Aug 19 00:52
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Manjaro 18.0.4 Illyria Xfce review - Nice but somewhat crude http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/127106 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b0a99ca3-64d8-481e-91ec-6e3da065c038]Aug 19 02:01
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Review: AcademiX GNU/Linux 2.2 Review: Acahttp://www.tuxmachines.org/node/127108demiX GNU/Linux 2.2 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4dc9b408-a279-43cc-a754-4160efeab0c9]Aug 19 02:22
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Fedora and Red Hat: New F30 Builds, Flock Report, Servers and Package Management Domain Model http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/127109 [https://pleroma.site/objects/cceb94a6-fbd6-4797-a279-96a77ef16b0f]Aug 19 02:26
schestowitz> Dr. Schestowitz,Aug 19 02:42
schestowitz> Aug 19 02:42
schestowitz> Re: Regarding your Concerns w/ IBM's Commitment piece over at Tech Rights Aug 19 02:42
schestowitz> The following is off xxx (please):Aug 19 02:42
schestowitz> As you can see, LJ numbers were improving. Why London Trust MediaAug 19 02:42
schestowitz> Holdings (LTMH) decided to pull the plug is unclear to most, if not allAug 19 02:42
schestowitz> of us.Aug 19 02:42
schestowitz> Aug 19 02:42
schestowitz> Now, having been part of xxx in recent history (not any more), I willAug 19 02:42
schestowitz> say that they have a certain modus operandi in which they will allow aAug 19 02:42
schestowitz> recent acquisition to continue operating as an independent company forAug 19 02:42
schestowitz> about 2 years. Then once the 2 year mark is hit, changes occur. This isAug 19 02:42
schestowitz> what happened with our company (xxx) when we were acquired. ItAug 19 02:42
schestowitz> also happened with xxx and I canAug 19 02:42
schestowitz> assure you, many more. My point in saying this is that if they do intendAug 19 02:42
schestowitz> on altering Red Hat operations, it will most likely be in a couple of years.Aug 19 02:42
schestowitzThanks for these thoughts. The xxxx things I will not publish but bear in mind for the understanding of these 'politics'.Aug 19 02:43
schestowitzYou might want to read more about how Quinstreet bought Linux sites only to shut them down (along with other 'assets').Aug 19 02:43
schestowitzAlso see what i wrote earlier today in my article about Carl Icahn. Sometimes gain (profit or other) comes from destroying things.Aug 19 02:43
schestowitz[I removed some identifying details]Aug 19 02:52
schestowitzBut anyway, some feedback from LJ peopleAug 19 02:52
schestowitzwhich I cannot post in the siteAug 19 02:53
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #LinuxJournal and #LinuxDotcom Should Have Been Kept Going http://techrights.org/2019/08/18/linux-journal-and-linux-dot-com/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/e3d841e4-f660-48e4-9da1-018c9faddf51]Aug 19 03:11
schestowitzOne reader wrote to us about the "Conspiracy Theory" that "Microsoft is just as guilty as Google with regard to employee intimidation/retaliation and toxic cultures" and is therefore behind the latest media wave that defects all attention to Google. Months ago Google was blasted for pursuing business in China -- the same thing Microsoft has done for like... forever?Aug 19 03:41
schestowitz"I wonder if they’re sponsoring the presses vendetta against Google at the moment," this reader added, "because their names aren’t being mentioned in any of these articles."Aug 19 03:41
schestowitzThey did this before. Their PR lobby was called "Scroogled". Did they even <em>completely</em> stop all of these smear campaigns? Seems unlikely.Aug 19 03:41
schestowitz>> Jesus, you’re right. LolAug 19 03:41
schestowitz"Aug 19 03:41
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schestowitzwb, MrGreenFriendAug 19 07:18
MrGreenFriendschestowitz, heyAug 19 07:25
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: There’s apparently no good explanation for the effective shutdown of #LinuxJournal and #Linuxcom http://techrights.org/2019/08/18/linux-journal-and-linux-dot-com/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/7a688ac1-846a-4974-9586-17106b6b3403]Aug 19 07:27
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oiaohmhttps://eclypsium.com/2019/08/10/screwed-drivers-signed-sealed-delivered/   Nice fun one.Aug 19 07:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Screwed Drivers – Signed, Sealed, Delivered - EclypsiumAug 19 07:42
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schestowitz> Canonical is now participating actively in M$ revisionism.Aug 19 08:05
schestowitzI saw that and said something similar in two (micro)posts.Aug 19 08:05
schestowitzBut are we surprised anymore...?Aug 19 08:05
schestowitz"Aug 19 08:05
schestowitzx https://www.ibtimes.com/open-source-technology-whats-it-all-about-2814213Aug 19 08:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibtimes.com | Open Source Technology: What's It All About?Aug 19 08:05
schestowitz# the voice of Canonical :( where do they dig up such incompetent orAug 19 08:05
schestowitzmalicious dregs?Aug 19 08:05
schestowitz"Aug 19 08:05
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: An introduction to bpftrace for Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/127112 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8c089c7d-62ef-41ab-9662-f699ac7c72b2]Aug 19 09:00
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schestowitzcat on keyboard?Aug 19 09:14
schestowitzbinary catAug 19 09:14
MrGreenFriendoh man, sorryAug 19 09:15
schestowitzhahaAug 19 09:15
schestowitzwell, one for the logsAug 19 09:15
schestowitz https://www.bbc.com/ideas/videos/what-would-happen-if-all-the-oceans-disappeared/p07jv2k5Aug 19 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.com | NO TITLEAug 19 09:15
MrGreenFriendschestowitz,   https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/268/078/149.jpgAug 19 09:17
schestowitz> In "Guarding and Rescuing the FSF Titanic: Introduction" [1] the acronymAug 19 09:21
schestowitz> RYF is used.  Perhaps it should be hotlinked to the programme's web siteAug 19 09:21
schestowitz> or at least a page describing it:Aug 19 09:21
schestowitz> Aug 19 09:21
schestowitz> https://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/respects-your-freedom-certification-program-continues-to-growAug 19 09:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | Respects Your Freedom certification program continues to grow — Free Software Foundation — working together for free softwareAug 19 09:21
schestowitz> Aug 19 09:21
schestowitz> Also, same for the "Free Media Alliance".  I couldn't find a thing aboutAug 19 09:21
schestowitz> it in the search engines.Aug 19 09:21
schestowitz> Aug 19 09:22
schestowitz> Perhaps the article could be updated to include two links?Aug 19 09:22
schestowitz> Aug 19 09:22
schestowitz> [1] http://techrights.org/2019/08/18/introduction-helping-fsf/Aug 19 09:22
schestowitzI prefer not to alter it, TBH. For several reasons, esp. consistency wrt source. There will be a PDF, so links don't matter too much.Aug 19 09:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Guarding and Rescuing the FSF Titanic: Introduction | TechrightsAug 19 09:22
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security: Open Source Security Podcast, Screwed Drivers, and Voting Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/127115 [https://pleroma.site/objects/322beab9-c558-4da6-9c5f-ce0d9c35d22e]Aug 19 10:45
XRevan86https://habr.com/en/company/pvs-studio/blog/464145Aug 19 10:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-CMake: the Case when the Project's Quality is Unforgivable / PVS-Studio corporate blog / HabrAug 19 10:48
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: NetBSD Sees Its First Wayland Application Running http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/127121 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fbf28675-8123-4cee-b8f0-1f46f5d824d3]Aug 19 17:54
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Red Hat: New PHP Builds, End-to-End Encryption for Kubernetes Applications, Interns http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/127129 [https://pleroma.site/objects/33139e2e-55f4-4bf4-a629-7c2d12f99c08]Aug 19 18:25
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Latest KDE Security Vulnerabilities Are Patched in Ubuntu and Debian, Update Now http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/127128 [https://pleroma.site/objects/91b29b12-aeea-4440-9e29-955dbc296ef3]Aug 19 18:33
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Google brings Linux app support to some older Chromebooks (including Chromebook Pixel 2015) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/127127 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1ffd2c0a-1b0d-42eb-8936-0c6f32ce0be0]Aug 19 18:35
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Tails 4.0 Anonymous Linux OS Enters Beta Based on Debian GNU/Linux 10 "Buster" http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/127123 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7c3ef169-2543-40ef-8c44-ca620dc663cb]Aug 19 18:39
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Technical vision for Qt for Python http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/127130 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d6c711d6-0bbf-492d-97ac-1f9cfcc14ba3]Aug 19 18:49
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming: Sanjog Sigdel's Work on LibreOffice and Python Picks http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/127132 [https://pleroma.site/objects/10d9fbcd-e282-4412-8e0b-2ae5e82274a8]Aug 19 19:05
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Replicating Particle Collisions at CERN with Kubeflow http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/127133 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9bd1df7c-8238-42c9-943b-693d78ae6e97]Aug 19 19:10
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security: Patches, IPFire 2.23 Core Update 135, Kaspersky in the Middle http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/127134 [https://pleroma.site/objects/68a03ff8-8c28-4958-a22d-6d92b7718d17]Aug 19 19:19
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: A Cycle of Renewal, Broken: How Big Tech and Big Media Abuse Copyright Law to Slay Competition http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/127137 [https://pleroma.site/objects/3302cc13-8dd7-4d26-a984-4f1fce4193ae]Aug 19 20:19
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scientesXRevan86, I'm doing the Russian audio lessons and I can't but notice my strong Usosian accentAug 19 22:22
scientesXRevan86, oh wow that is greatAug 19 22:22
scientessizeof * sizeofAug 19 22:22
scientesthat article is kinda ass-hole-ishAug 19 22:23
scientesbut its fun to laugh at cmakeAug 19 22:23
XRevan86scientes: Click-baityAug 19 22:23
XRevan86it's essentially an adAug 19 22:23
scienteswell duhAug 19 22:23
scientesat the bottom of this page they ask you to be a similar ass-hole https://www.viva64.com/en/pvs-studio/Aug 19 22:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.viva64.com | PVS-Studio: Static Code Analyzer for C, C++, C# and JavaAug 19 22:25
scientes> Aug 19 22:25
scientesNote down interesting bugs, make it as a presentation.Aug 19 22:25
scientes> Show them to your colleagues and managers.Aug 19 22:25
XRevan86scientes: As long as it's constructive I can forgive the flares :PAug 19 22:26
XRevan86CMake has less bugs now after all.Aug 19 22:27
scientesXRevan86, that's like trying to remove all the salt from the oceanAug 19 22:28
XRevan86Their review of the LibreOffice code impressed me more.Aug 19 22:28
XRevan86That's a huge codebase, and it got stuffAug 19 22:28
scientesXRevan86, they also have this https://www.viva64.com/en/b/0307/Aug 19 22:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.viva64.com | Bugs Found by LibreOffice in PVS-StudioAug 19 22:30
scientesfree(): invalid pointerAug 19 22:33
scientesgdAug 19 22:33
XRevan86scientes: "I'm doing the Russian audio lessons and I can't but notice my strong Usosian accent" – the only distinct feature I'm really aware is a vowel R.Aug 19 22:33
scientesso its not as distinct as the russian accent?Aug 19 22:33
XRevan86scientes: Although I cannot do the trill, my R facsimile in Russian is different from how I say it in English.Aug 19 22:34
scienteshahahahahahahaAug 19 22:34
scientesCause English with a strong Russian accent is quite pronouncedAug 19 22:34
XRevan86scientes: I haven't heard as many Usonians doing Russian has Russians doing English (:Aug 19 22:34
XRevan86s/has/as/Aug 19 22:34
scientessameAug 19 22:35
XRevan86scientes: No kidding :DAug 19 22:35
XRevan86scientes: And of course there's palatalisation, but I talk about that all the time, soAug 19 22:37
scientesspanish has that tooAug 19 22:37
scientesso i've already improved a bunchAug 19 22:38
XRevan86scientes: Slender T? M? K?Aug 19 22:39
scientes????Aug 19 22:39
scientesPeroAug 19 22:39
scientesPiñataAug 19 22:39
XRevan86scientes: "Piñata" – slender N is fairly common, just as L. That's why I put emphasis on other sounds.Aug 19 22:41
scienteshmmm, I don't think that way even about English howeverAug 19 22:41
XRevan86scientes: Fairly common, but not in English :)Aug 19 22:43
scienteswell I will have to find a native speaker that notices itAug 19 22:44
scientesI'm not really a fan of ReggaetonAug 19 22:44
scientesits too repetitiveAug 19 22:44
XRevan86scientes: "pero" – "P" does sound palatalised when Google Translate says itAug 19 22:44
XRevan86oh, wait, it doesn't %)Aug 19 22:45
XRevan86I accidentally put it in Russian modeAug 19 22:45
scientesits the r that is palatalisedAug 19 22:45
scientespero and perroAug 19 22:45
scientespero is one of the most common Spanish words (but) so you have to get it right tooAug 19 22:46
XRevan86scientes: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Ru-%D1%80%D1%91%D0%B2.ogg like that?Aug 19 22:46
scientesyeahAug 19 22:46
XRevan86Google Translate pronounces it more like https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1a/Ru-%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2.oggAug 19 22:47
scientesyeah that's not rightAug 19 22:47
scientesmaybe in some placesAug 19 22:48
scientescause there are lots of spanish accentsAug 19 22:48
scientesbut no in Mexico to PeruAug 19 22:48
XRevan86Good examples, exactly the same except for palatalisation.Aug 19 22:48
scientesand they are both common wordsAug 19 22:49
scientesso you can get the differenceAug 19 22:49
XRevan86https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/Ru-%D0%BC%D1%8F%D1%81%D0%BE.oggAug 19 22:50
XRevan86https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Ru-%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B0.oggAug 19 22:50
XRevan86scientes: And how about M? :)Aug 19 22:50
scientesi've only heard it in russian AFAIKAug 19 22:51
scientesand it was suprisingAug 19 22:51
scientesbut i'm working on itAug 19 22:51
scienteslike "at my place"Aug 19 22:51
XRevan86In Ukrainian the word "мясо" turned into "м'ясо".Aug 19 22:51
scientesI tried to order cyrillic key stickersAug 19 22:52
scientesbut the postal system is so bad in PeruAug 19 22:52
scienteshmm, it got stuck in chinaAug 19 22:54
scientesoh no, in peruAug 19 22:55
XRevan86scientes: Meanwhile… this exists: http://headsetchatter.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/daskeyboard.jpgAug 19 22:55
scienteswell my current keyboard is Spanish/Portugeese and the keys don't map the US keymap that I useAug 19 22:55
scientesbut when you are learning a new script the stickers are very usefulAug 19 22:56
XRevan86The learning curve of no stickers is you should already know them by heard, yesAug 19 22:56
XRevan86heartAug 19 22:56
XRevan86scientes: Which makes me wonder, is it actually possible to learn the keys with no labels? :)Aug 19 22:57
XRevan86s/possible/feasable/Aug 19 22:57
scientesif you use a typing program, yesAug 19 22:57
scienteswhen i was in school computers were kinda new and we all did typing classesAug 19 22:57
scientesI still meet peckers howeverAug 19 22:58
scientesalso is there a fast way to switch layouts?Aug 19 22:59
XRevan86scientes: There are whole religions established around thatAug 19 23:00
scientesahh i figured it outAug 19 23:00
scientesyeah us americans have it special in that we don't always learn about internationalizationAug 19 23:01
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XRevan86scientes: yeah us european language users have it special in that we don't always learn about right-to-left languagesAug 19 23:02
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scientesI had the Arabic stickers on my keyboard onceAug 19 23:03
XRevan86scientes: And us horizontals are blissfully unaware about top-to-bottom languages %)Aug 19 23:03
scientesand Arabic numerals were little-endian in their origsAug 19 23:03
scienteshehehe, yesAug 19 23:03
scientesbut the top-to-bottom languages have largely switch to left-to-rightAug 19 23:03
scientesbecause it was just too hard to keep that one goingAug 19 23:04
XRevan86scientes: Indeed.Aug 19 23:04
scientesbut yeah we don't know the intricies of the RTL algorithm of UnicodeAug 19 23:07
XRevan86In the end Cyrillic is basically the same thing. Now hieroglyphs…Aug 19 23:08
scienteswutAug 19 23:08
scientesits phoneticAug 19 23:08
XRevan86I mean as an alphabet.Aug 19 23:08
XRevan86It's a mystery to me how people spell Chinese out.Aug 19 23:09
scientesor how they enter it with a keyboard!Aug 19 23:09
XRevan86scientes: That's what I meant (:Aug 19 23:09
XRevan86spell… with a keyboard %)Aug 19 23:09
*XRevan86 admits he over-used the word.Aug 19 23:09
scientesand those in Taiwan have to learn both the strokes of the traditional and the communist versionsAug 19 23:10
XRevan86communist version, he-heAug 19 23:10
XRevan86reminds me that the Russian diasporas didn't initially adopt the 1918 reformAug 19 23:11
scientesStalin actually recommended they not go phoneticAug 19 23:11
XRevan86scientes: It's hard to imagine Chinese going phonetic…Aug 19 23:12
XRevan86scientes: It's too diverse for that.Aug 19 23:12
XRevan86scientes: Now I'm wondering in what year PRC standardised on PutonghuaAug 19 23:13
scientesXRevan86, yeah but they don't have the classic book https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc-H9XUarv8Aug 19 23:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Simplified vs Traditional Chinese Characters | China Uncensored - YouTubeAug 19 23:15
scientesMao wanted to go phoneticAug 19 23:15
scienteswith PinyinAug 19 23:15
XRevan86"with Pinyin" – ughAug 19 23:15
scientesagreed, Latin is horribleAug 19 23:15
scientesbut chinese is just standardized to the Beijing dialectAug 19 23:15
scientesbut the written system is of course independentAug 19 23:15
scientesVietnam has lots of chinese writingAug 19 23:16
XRevan86Latin is great, for Latin. Except Late Latin.Aug 19 23:16
scientesyou mean without lower case characters?Aug 19 23:16
XRevan86scientes: Without new sounds emerging in the language.Aug 19 23:16
scientesor the modern versions?Aug 19 23:16
scientesahh Aug 19 23:17
scientesdbpq are all the same character howeverAug 19 23:17
scientesits horrible for dislexicsAug 19 23:17
*XRevan86 read somewhere that Q is supposed to have a separate sound.Aug 19 23:19
scientesnice burn https://youtu.be/Uc-H9XUarv8?t=197Aug 19 23:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Simplified vs Traditional Chinese Characters | China Uncensored - YouTubeAug 19 23:20
XRevan86Oh yes, Chinese has a lot of homophonesAug 19 23:21
XRevan86I forgot about thatAug 19 23:21
scientesma is horse and motherAug 19 23:22
XRevan86also, how would they approach the tones?Aug 19 23:22
scientesand lama also means mother fuckerAug 19 23:22
scientesllamaAug 19 23:22
XRevan86With transliterations it's not that big of a deal. But to adopt as a main script…Aug 19 23:22
scientesI find it interesting that RT loves to cover the military on the footsteps on Hong Kong, not the actual protests, and not a peep about western chinaAug 19 23:25
scientesand it was 1/4 of the hong kong population that protestedAug 19 23:25
XRevan86scientes: Russia wants good relations with PRC, what can I tell youAug 19 23:26
XRevan86scientes: About accessibility – contrary to what the narrator says, it is most likely the reason.Aug 19 23:28
XRevan86scientes: That's what the USSR did after all.Aug 19 23:29
XRevan86probably more successfully regarding public educationAug 19 23:30
scienteswell yeah that shows is very anti-PRCAug 19 23:31
scientesthe group was organized by people that were pissed when the PRC laughed at the US for 9/11Aug 19 23:31
scientesand were ChineseAug 19 23:31
XRevan86scientes: That's no excuse for pushing a disingenuine message, even against arseholes. Reduces trust.Aug 19 23:32
scienteswell if they wanted literacy they would use a phonetic alphabetAug 19 23:33
scientesso i don't b elieve itAug 19 23:33
XRevan86scientes: Like you said, Mao wanted the Latin alphabet.Aug 19 23:34
XRevan86scientes: The end result looks like a compromise.Aug 19 23:34
scientesthis is the 9 commentaries https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMxax8obK-M&list=PLQdK6E2umTCwdoUxFEuptokkrAX9CYvV3Aug 19 23:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Nine Commentaries on the Communist Party: 1.On What The CCP Is. - YouTubeAug 19 23:34
scientesthat the group producedAug 19 23:34
scientesagainst the PRCAug 19 23:34
DaemonFC[m]I got an ambulance bill for $8,000.Aug 19 23:44
DaemonFC[m]It's from the same village that arrested me.Aug 19 23:45
DaemonFC[m]I'm filing bankruptcy anyway, so I'm tossing this in.Aug 19 23:45
scientessame racketeersAug 19 23:45
scientesDaemonFC[m], make sure to check the "contested" boxAug 19 23:45
DaemonFC[m]It's a negotiated guilty plea to disorderly conduct.Aug 19 23:45
DaemonFC[m]It was much worse. Two counts of aggravated assault with weapons use. Aug 19 23:46
scientesthey consider a butter knife a weaponAug 19 23:46
*XRevan86 when sees messages like this thinks: https://youtu.be/1Npo0cmp-VYAug 19 23:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Camelot, tis a silly place - YouTubeAug 19 23:46
DaemonFC[m]Yes, they do.Aug 19 23:46
DaemonFC[m]But since it just says "Deadly Weapon", for all anyone who reads it knows, I pulled a gun on somebody.Aug 19 23:47
scientesDaemonFC[m], that's what they say when they shoot and kill blacks that have knivesAug 19 23:47
scientesXRevan86, yeah that's the proper responseAug 19 23:48

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