●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, September 19, 2022 ●●
● Sep 19
[00:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	dear princess celestia... https://yewtu.be/watch?v=mHEh1oK6hb0
[00:00]	MinceR	i would have told you that vim exists
[00:00]	TR Bot	 Doogie Howser - Journal End Scene - Humility and Self Respect - Invidious
[00:00]	MinceR	all you had to do is ask
[00:00]	mixling	MinceR: Vim is _slow_
[00:01]	mixling	some weeks ago, i wasted time, to hunt which plugin slowed down Vim startup, required several seconds
[00:01]	MinceR	sounds like your plugin was slow, not vim
[00:01]	mixling	compiling Vim, cross-compiling, isn't nice
[00:01]	MinceR	https://assets.amuniversal.com/6b08abb09fbb012f2fe600163e41dd5b
[00:01]	mixling	MinceR: the plugin is execed by some Vim-specific script interpreter
[00:01]	mixling	*executed
[00:02]	mixling	Vim is slow, it's a beast
[00:03]	XRevan86	highest_cubist_thrills: Oh my goodness, this is so corny.
[00:03]	mixling	i will miss some plugins, but vis editor will avoid many problems, i hope, when removing GNU-buildsystem (autotools/automake)
[00:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	well they didnt have the same writers as mlp
[00:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	the good news is that many years later he would play lance in undercover brother
[00:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me is pretty sure the 90s were actually just a bad acid trip, not a real decade
[00:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	there was some awesome music though
[00:04]	XRevan86	highest_cubist_thrills: Russians agree.
[00:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	i think it was even worse in russia
[00:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	there was some awesome accordion music though
[00:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	(no, really)
[00:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	"OH, MAKE IT TALK!"-- weird al, i love rocky road
[00:06]	MinceR	mixling: ah, you need an artificial limitation so you won't run any plugins because your own willpower isn't enough :>
[00:07]		*MinceR is pretty sure the 90s were a great decade for movies, video games and music
[00:07]	MinceR	and video game music
[00:07]	starstreak	+1
[00:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	bleep bleep bloop bleep bleep bleep
[00:08]	starstreak	i like music better from the 00s tho
[00:08]	DaemonFC	https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/09/18/geico-told-me-i-was-a-very-safe-driver-and-proceeded-to-raise-my-six-month-premium-by-over-150/
[00:08]	TR Bot	 Geico told me I was a very safe driver and proceeded to raise my six month premium by over $150. | BaronHK's Rants
[00:08]	mixling	MinceR: i will miss various vim-plugins, no doubt, but those are not worth the problems to cope with elsewhere
[00:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=YkgfmWfJ11s
[00:08]	TR Bot	 Air - All I Need - New Video! - Invidious
[00:09]	DaemonFC	Still working on it.
[00:09]	MinceR	19 010804 < highest_cubist_thrills> bleep bleep bloop bleep bleep bleep
[00:10]	MinceR	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfOLAOjVTA0
[00:10]	TR Bot	https://youtube.076.ne.jp/watch?v=zfOLAOjVTA0
[00:10]	TR Bot	youtube.076.ne.jp | Hexen Music PC: Winnowing Hall - Invidious
[00:10]	starstreak	MinceR is pretty sure the 90s were a great decade for movies, video games and  <- and WMs
[00:10]	DaemonFC	San Francisco deserves to fail.
[00:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	definitely for wms
[00:10]	DaemonFC	It's a city full of freaks and weirdos.
[00:11]	DaemonFC	If we're lucky, Matthew Garrett will lose his job as a part of a "mass reorg" or whatever they call it now to avoid saying layoff or recession.
[00:11]	starstreak	i liked gnome 2, thats from the 00s
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[00:12]	MinceR	gnome 1 was from the 90s and it was better
[00:12]	MinceR	neither of those are wm-s though
[00:12]	starstreak	enlightenment was badass in the 90s
[00:12]	starstreak	my friend had it running on a 486
[00:13]	MinceR	if slowness, massive tooltips, tons of cryptic buttons and baroque overdetailing are badass, yes
[00:13]	starstreak	:/
[00:13]	mixling	vis editor, raises one question, which is reliance on LUA scripting
[00:14]	mixling	it seems, lua will be easy to bootstrap; perl and python are rather difficult in this regard
[00:14]	mixling	with python i haven't got a bootstrapping path with tcc-toolchain at all, and with perl i had to roll-back to version 5.8 (year 2003)
[00:14]	MinceR	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWr12CQHTxE
[00:14]	TR Bot	https://invidious.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=cWr12CQHTxE
[00:14]	TR Bot	inv.bp.projectsegfau.lt | Tyrian Soundtrack (Roland Sound Canvas SC-88) - Invidious
[00:15]	mixling	yet, i removed python from the tcc-toolchain profile, no need for this one
[00:15]	starstreak	oooo Tyrian :D
[00:15]	mixling	and if i remove all GNU-buildsystem dependencies, i won't need Perl anymore either (except linux kernel build, not sure yet)
[00:16]	mixling	hence, a scripting language besides shell occasionally is useful, why not, i'll give lua a chance
[00:16]	starstreak	Tyrian was one of the best DOS games 
[00:16]	MinceR	the correct version of the Tyrian logo doesn't have a dot on the 'i' though
[00:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	<MinceR> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfOLAOjVTA0 <- midi really needs to come back
[00:16]	MinceR	(as it's an ambigram)
[00:16]	MinceR	highest_cubist_thrills: so do modules
[00:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	yes
[00:16]	MinceR	if i ever get around to making my fantasy AFPS, it will have support for midi and module music
[00:18]	mixling	the situation with scripting languages is, ideally, there won't be more than two of those at most
[00:19]	mixling	shell script of cause, and lua, why not... tccboot did re-implement linux Kbuild too for linux-2.4, don't know if perl is remaining there
[00:19]	mixling	ideally not, then it's shell and lua script, and nothing else
[00:19]	MinceR	lol lua
[00:19]	mixling	vis-editor depends on it
[00:20]	mixling	MinceR: what's lol with lua?
[00:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-18.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-19.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[00:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	i think part of the reason im not offended by englightment is twofold
[00:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	despite the fact that ive never been able to use it
[00:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	first, at a time when it was actually a pretty clever hack, they did a lot of things extremely well 
[00:22]	MinceR	very low-powered language
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[00:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont love the design, but its not impossible to appreciate
[00:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	more to the point though
[00:23]	mixling	never used it before
[00:23]	MinceR	well, at least enlightenment manages to look interesting on screenshots
[00:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	ive never encountered any really obnoxious fans or developers
[00:23]	MinceR	even if i find it pointless to use
[00:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	which i cant ever say about gnome or kde
[00:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	so i guess it gets points for that
[00:23]	MinceR	and it's probably not as slow as windows
[00:24]	XRevan86	highest_cubist_thrills: Oh, also, regarding Princess Unicorn: https://youtu.be/CZTY69xwnEg :)
[00:24]	TR Bot	https://tube.cthd.icu/watch?v=CZTY69xwnEg
[00:24]	TR Bot	not resolve host: tube.cthd.icu; Unknown error ( status 0 @ https://tube.cthd.icu/watch?v=CZTY69xwnEg )
[00:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	Oh, also, regarding Princess Unicorn <- a string of words i never expected to ever encounter, let alone from you
[00:24]	mixling	i stumbled upon lua twice recently: with vis-editor today, and oasis linux utilizes it
[00:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	princess unicorn brings everyone together
[00:25]	mixling	lua seems it is closer to embedded use with efficiency in mind
[00:25]	starstreak	if I was switching from gnome it would probably be to KDE because I like okular, dolphin and konversation
[00:25]	starstreak	i already use k3b to burn blue ray data disks
[00:25]	XRevan86	highest_cubist_thrills: Until she gets neutralised with a tennis ball that is.
[00:25]	mixling	and, it's probably easy to bootstrap, in comparison to python which i couldn't bootstrap with tcc-toolchain
[00:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me wants to watch every season of mlp:fim (which ive never done before) 
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[00:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	entirely redone with male scottish accents
[00:26]	XRevan86	Laughed out loud
[00:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	deeearrr preencess sahleastya...
[00:27]	starstreak	highest_cubist_thrills, my little pony?
[00:27]	mixling	with perl bootstrapping/compilation, besides the version rollback to v5.8, too it is impossible/difficult to cross-compile
[00:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	today i larned
[00:27]	mixling	lua probably is easier to cope with in this regard too
[00:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	starstreak: leftovers from the marriage
[00:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	but good fun
[00:28]	XRevan86	starstreak: Memory-level parallelism
[00:28]	MinceR	the Seven Mounting Heavens of Celestia?
[00:28]	mixling	key to removing Perl is, in any case, full removal of the entire GNU-buildsystem and anything which depends on it
[00:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me thinks "seven mounting heavens" sounds more like mlp slashfic/furry fantasy
[00:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	but only because i dont know what it is
[00:29]	mixling	and i must verify linux kernel build doesn't require it, Perl
[00:29]	MinceR	it's D&D
[00:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	well now its going in strange new directions
[00:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	but then so is d&d
[00:29]	MinceR	https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Celestia
[00:29]	TR Bot	 Celestia - 1d4chan
[00:29]	MinceR	(i prefer Arvandor and Ysgard though)
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[00:30]	mixling	and lua got some regular expression type pattern match and string processing too, seems different to what i learned with perl
[00:31]	mixling	regular expressions, pattern matching, that's something vis-editor focused on
[00:31]	mixling	however, vis does it with lua, not perl style regex
[00:31]	mixling	i have to keep this in mind
[00:32]	mixling	because, regular expression are an important use-case
[00:33]	mixling	libprcre/2 seem cluttered with GNU-buildsystem, hence this wasn't available
[00:33]	XRevan86	MinceR: Still closer connected to reality than whatever aggi's up to %).
[00:33]	MinceR	s/Arvandor/Arborea/
[00:33]	mixling	just as said, lua does it differently, and vis-editor relies on lua LPeg
[00:33]	MinceR	whatever, Arvandor is a layer of Arborea :>
[00:33]	mixling	seems another bingo, to think about
[00:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	the difference is basically Arbotreary
[00:34]		*mixling feels the force of research unix
[00:34]	mixling	and lua, isn't "made in usa" either, it's from Brazil
[00:35]	mixling	with in interesting history... "From 1977 until 1992, Brazil had a policy of strong trade barriers"
[00:35]	mixling	an
[00:37]	immibis	lua doesn't have regex, it's just a simple char-by-char parser written in a short format
[00:37]	immibis	well, regex is also that
[00:39]	mixling	http://www.inf.puc-rio.br/~roberto/lpeg/
[00:39]	TR Bot	 LPeg - Parsing Expression Grammars For Lua
[00:45]	XRevan86	highest_cubist_thrills: https://youtu.be/RwK5lhufdNI I'm obligated to share this with you as well.
[00:45]	TR Bot	https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=RwK5lhufdNI
[00:46]	TR Bot	invidious.snopyta.org | A Moment of Peace - Invidious
[00:48]	mixling	another intersting project i stumbled upon, which prefers lua: Oasis Linux
[00:49]	mixling	they implement their build system with lua; ok, and i noticed some other intersections with Oasis Linux
[00:49]	mixling	because, i must remove gentoo, and oasis already maintains a software tree, with some package manager
[00:49]	XRevan86	> A major goal of oasis is to build with cproc
[00:49]	mixling	this would save me alot of work, if i forked and built upon what Oasis got already
[00:50]	mixling	XRevan86: cproc, sadly, doesn't contain some other utilities which tcc got
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[00:50]	mixling	and verifying the c-only profile with tcc, will benefit any other sane c-compiler/toolchain too
[00:51]	mixling	yes, that's another interesction, an alternative compiler/toolchain
[00:51]	mixling	oasis already integrated bearssl, very nice, because this is the ssl library i would prefer
[00:51]	mixling	libressl/openssl too depend on GNU-buildsystem clutter
[00:52]	mixling	another problem solved
[00:54]	mixling	Oasis Linux still ships python (now MICROS~1), i won't, simply because python doesn't bootstrap with tcc-toolchain
[00:55]	starstreak	mixling, python is microsoft?
[00:55]	mixling	starstreak: the developer moved there
[00:56]	mixling	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guido_van_Rossum
[00:56]	TR Bot	 Guido van Rossum - Wikipedia
[00:56]	mixling	Employer   Microsoft
[00:56]	mixling	howver, it is _technical_ reasons i want to remove Python
[00:56]	mixling	and it is _technical_ reasons i want to remove GNU-toolchain and GNU-buildsystem
[00:57]	XRevan86	Guido van Rossum is no longer the BDFL of Python.
[00:58]	XRevan86	https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-committers/2018-July/005664.html
[00:58]	TR Bot	 [python-committers] Transfer of power
[00:58]	mixling	Gentoo developer Robbins too went to Microsoft
[00:58]	XRevan86	And similiarly Gentoo was not affected by that.
[00:59]	XRevan86	However, Python does have a relationship with Microsoft.
[00:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 30.90 k/sec., IPFS upstream 142.95 average k/sec., average swarm size 151.25
[00:59]	MinceR	MICROS~1 is trying to make every new language their own
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[01:00]	MinceR	they can't take over old, standardized languages with many implementations (especially with several free ones)
[01:00]	MinceR	MICROS~1 is a cancer that tries to take over everything in the universe, starting with IT
[01:01]	mixling	i don't care, MICROS~1 hasn't got anything of interest to offer since they introduced win311 and GNOME
[01:02]	mixling	sorry, can't refrain
[01:02]	mixling	after decades of pain inflicted by them
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[01:04]	DaemonFC	https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/09/18/police-say-man-was-killed-after-confronting-loud-group-on-fort-sheridan-beach-near-lake-forest/
[01:04]	TR Bot	 Police say man was killed after confronting loud group on Fort Sheridan Beach near Lake Forest
[01:04]	DaemonFC	https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/09/17/23-year-old-dies-after-being-shot-by-gunman-in-another-vehicle-near-college-of-lake-county-in-grayslake/
[01:04]	TR Bot	 23-year-old dies after being shot by gunman in another vehicle near College of Lake County in Grayslake
[01:04]	DaemonFC	They're not allowed to do placement tests for "college" anymore.
[01:05]	DaemonFC	So they shouldn't be surprised when anyone can get a student loan and nobody has to take an intelligence test, and then they bring the shootings with them.
[01:09]	MinceR	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ0Ob4PlCDU
[01:09]	TR Bot	https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=SJ0Ob4PlCDU
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[01:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-18.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-19.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[01:34]	starstreak	RONNIE STAHP!
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[01:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	<XRevan86> However, Python does have a relationship with Microsoft. <- yeah, cpython is microsoft
[01:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	cpython does not support python 2
[01:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	cpython is a pile of shit
[01:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	there is only microsof python and pypy
[01:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont hold any hope for cpython
[01:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	first google made it stupid
[01:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	then microsoft made it poisin
[01:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	so its stupid poison
[01:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	will i touch python 3? absolutely
[01:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	i avoid it
[01:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	someone makes a new project that uses python 3?
[01:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	i probably wont use it
[01:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	old project i can make work in python 2? then maybe
[01:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	but python 2 isnt supported!
[01:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	LIES!
[01:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	cpython 2 isnt supported
[01:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	fuck cpython though
[01:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	do i use anything python 3? oh yes
[01:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	very sparingly
[01:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	i really prefer not to touch it
[01:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	microsoft controls the DIRECTION Of python 3, not just the hosting
[01:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	so microsoft takes over programming
[01:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	then the fsf says
[01:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	if you have the source code...
[01:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	fuck the fsf, microsoft has the source code
[01:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	and they control the languages
[01:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	and the fsf sits with the thumbs in their arses
[01:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	and oliva says but but but but but people have local copies
[01:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	motherfucker, how does that matter
[01:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	no one uses them
[01:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	most people wont see them
[01:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	and microsoft controls the languages themselves
[01:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	so it doesnt matter if you have the source code
[01:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	you dont control the fucking compilers
[01:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	ibm controlls gcc
[01:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	the whole thing is a fucking lie
[01:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	now, openbsd doesnt solve all this
[01:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	openbsd just happens to be somewhat in opposition to this
[01:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	if you fuck with something they need, do they let you?
[01:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	nope
[01:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	if you fuck with something they need, the MIRROR AND FORK IT
[01:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	if you fuck too much with X 
[01:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	they mirror and fork it
[01:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	if they want to make real changes to gnu less (github) 
[01:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	they mirror and fork it
[01:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	and the fsf sits with their thumbs in their arses
[01:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	and oliva says BUT LOCAL COPIES!
[01:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	fuck your local copies
[01:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	who can use your local copies?
[01:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats like saying if theres a population crisis (opposite of this one) because no ones breeding
[01:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	and oliva says but but but masturbation
[01:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	it doesnt work that way, man
[01:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	freedom 3-- the freedom to have local copies
[01:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	fuck you, oliva
[01:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	if you arent distributing its not a solution!
[01:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me is so tired of cheap ibm doublespeak from that fuck
[01:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont even care about oliva
[01:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	i care about the fact that everyone is full of shit
[01:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	and that oliva has no answers, but still pretends
[01:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	that much i care about
[01:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	local copies
[01:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	stick them up your arse
[01:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	openbsd cant solve everything
[01:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	but at least they show how you fix it
[01:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	MIRROR AND FORK
[01:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	most things are "too big to fork"
[01:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	okay, so if theyre not forkable
[01:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	that means corporations control them
[01:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	you cant
[01:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	too big to fork
[01:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	no freedom 3 then.
[01:49]	starstreak	you have a different definition of "forkable"
[01:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	no freedom 3, sooner or later the other freedoms erode
[01:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	<starstreak> you have a different definition of "forkable" <- you can move mountains
[01:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	they come with a license that says you can move them.
[01:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	therefore theyre moveable.
[01:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	go ahead.
[01:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	i have a definition of forkable based on reality
[01:49]	starstreak	gnome 2 got forked
[01:50]	starstreak	you just need a team of people who care
[01:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	gnome 2 is debateably forkable.
[01:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	you just need a team of people who care <- aha! correct
[01:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	and if you dont have that,,,
[01:50]	starstreak	mate desktop
[01:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	im a fan of mate
[01:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	too bad its on github
[01:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	but
[01:50]	starstreak	lol
[01:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	no, really
[01:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	first, i liked mate when it was new.
[01:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	second, i was pissed that debian fucked mate over
[01:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats was dirty
[01:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	years ago
[01:51]	starstreak	how did debian fuck mate over?
[01:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	third, i think the idea of mate is great!
[01:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	gnome 3 is shit
[01:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	so the idea of mate is this
[01:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	people are unhappy that gnome abandoned them
[01:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	gnome devs arent slaves (theyre corporate fuckboys... and fuckgirls)
[01:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	so they dont have to maintain a good version of gnome
[01:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats what mate is for
[01:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	i LOVE This idea
[01:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	same with trinity
[01:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	i LOVE this idea
[01:52]	starstreak	when gnome 3 first came out, it was horrible and I switched back to KDE 4.x
[01:52]	CrystalMath	highest_cubist_thrills: it's called software freedom :)
[01:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	i tried kde 4
[01:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	i wanted to LIKE kde 4
[01:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	kde 4 looked amazing
[01:52]	CrystalMath	and the free market of ideas
[01:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	unfortunate, since kde 3.5 ended, kde devs are a bunch of cunts
[01:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	then they also joined the coup
[01:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	kde isnt forkable either
[01:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	but the reason i abandoned kde completely was gnew
[01:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont consider it free software even
[01:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	free software gives you 4 freedoms
[01:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	imo those 4 freedoms require a 5th
[01:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	but unless kde is forkable
[01:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	which it was
[01:53]	MinceR	gnome 2 wasn't worth forking, it was already trash
[01:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	kde 3.5 was the last free version of kde imo
[01:53]	MinceR	and that's mate's problem
[01:53]	CrystalMath	yeah, have you tried gnome 1?
[01:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	 <MinceR> gnome 2 wasn't worth forking, it was already trash <- as an opinion thats valid
[01:53]	CrystalMath	was much better!
[01:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	when i switched my wife to free software
[01:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	gnome 2 was extremely helpful
[01:54]	CrystalMath	there are elements of gnome 1 i simply copied
[01:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	back then, i gave people gnome 2 if they wanted WINDOWS
[01:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	if they wanted something lighter, i usually gave people lxde
[01:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	if they wanted a compromise i gave xfce
[01:54]	MinceR	well, windows embodies "modern"ity and gnome2 was already aspiring to it (by copying macos)
[01:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	its nicely in between
[01:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	its a moot point since the odds of mate surviving are small
[01:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	but it will only survive if they can pull off a miracle
[01:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	and if they can pull it off, thats worth considering when handing out respect
[01:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	though its still github, so...
[01:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats fixable too
[01:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	but local copies arent progress
[01:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	theyre a backup plan
[01:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	while everything erodes
[01:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	can mate actually be maintained while gnome goes to hell and takes distros with them
[01:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont know
[01:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	is mate just going to becomes another vector for systemd eventually
[01:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont know
[01:56]	starstreak	XD
[01:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	this is the problem with the linux kernel
[01:56]	mixling	if GNU-toolchain and buildsystem go to hell, then what?
[01:56]	starstreak	gnome 43 *almost* made me switch to KDE
[01:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	no really, the linux kernel
[01:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	only counterpoint i know to that is alpine and im not sure of that
[01:57]	mixling	it's all nice philosophy what you say though
[01:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	alpine is probably the least stupid distro left
[01:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	im not saying that to butter up ariadne
[01:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	im saying it because a lot of stuff i say about gnu/linux, alpine TRIES to prove wrong
[01:58]	mixling	depends how much you're willing or capable to compromise
[01:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	will it succeed?
[01:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont know. but its probably the least stupid distro left
[01:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	have i ever used it? no. do i want to? no
[01:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	but i care about free software and i consider it relevant to all of this
[01:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	as a potential counterpoint
[01:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	we will see
[01:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 39.25 k/sec., IPFS upstream 149.50 average k/sec., average swarm size 135.03
[01:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	in the long run i doubt it can solve all this
[01:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	i have ZERO faith in devuan
[01:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	if you think devuan is a good idea, just use alpine
[01:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	it has actual developers
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[02:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	devuan has wannabe maintainers
[02:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	devuan devs are to debian maintainers what gospel music is to the music industry
[02:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	people who couldnt cut it making the real thing who think theyre better because they have the truth-- yet they dont know what theyre talking about anyway
[02:01]	mixling	i would give motif widget a try, if at all, at most, certainly not any version of GTK nor QT
[02:01]	mixling	they're breaking their APIs every few days
[02:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	they dont even have truth, theyre just ridiculous
[02:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	it isnt lost on me that the music industry mostly turns out crap-- metaphor still works
[02:02]	mixling	no c++, not a single line of it anywhere, another hint, to draw a demarcation line
[02:02]	mixling	OpenBSD, puff, with llvm, gone it is
[02:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	everything is a hostage or a cult
[02:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	devuans a cult, debians a hostage, users are hostages
[02:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	(debian is a cult too)
[02:03]	mixling	i mean, it's OK, OpenBSD, if and only if a no-c++ system remained somewhere
[02:03]	MinceR	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3jInEVNJt8
[02:03]	TR Bot	https://y.com.sb/watch?v=l3jInEVNJt8
[02:04]	TR Bot	y.com.sb | Memento Mori II (Doom II) - Original Soundtrack by Mark Klem and David Shaw - Invidious
[02:04]	mixling	and all common systems, simply cannot roll-back and re-align, without loosing almost their entire user base and developers
[02:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	mincer is a geek archetype
[02:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	archetype
[02:05]	mixling	very simple rule of thumb, no-c++ anywhere as either run-time nor build-time dependency, and see how far you'll get
[02:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me never read the book, and jung was long dead
[02:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me draws alicorn carl jung
[02:05]	mixling	it's very easy to add it, c++, that's not the argument, gcc can be bootstrapped with tcc-toolchain, just fine
[02:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	his horn can pierce through mysteries of human interaction
[02:06]	mixling	however, just show me one single "distro", which was capable to remove c++
[02:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	mate is really a trial to see if gnome 2 is actually forkable
[02:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	i still think thats a good idea. at least they try
[02:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	noble cause. terrible location.
[02:07]	MinceR	forking gnome 1 would have more sense
[02:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	id rather a fork of gnome 1
[02:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	though tbh i think if you dont need gnome 2 you dont need the other one either
[02:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	gnome 1 was FAST
[02:07]	mixling	GTK1 attached to the flawed (my opinion) unicode implementation already
[02:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	mate is probably pretty nice on most machines though
[02:08]	mixling	motif widgets, didn't i think
[02:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	like when everybody is running something 3x as slow
[02:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	saying mate is slow is sort of technically true, and yet
[02:08]	starstreak	highest_cubist_thrills, freebsd with mate used about 384mb ram
[02:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	fair point!
[02:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	that works
[02:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	i got debian 7 running with fluxbox on a pentium 3, i think
[02:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	wouldnt happen without swap
[02:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	wasnt real nice to use
[02:10]	mixling	an X11 typically launches with ~96MiB nowadays, the rest 300MiB, thats 300MiB for Desktop only with mate2
[02:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	but that might be a ridiculous standard to judge mate by
[02:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	judging it by its performance on a pi 2 might not be
[02:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	but im pretty sure a pi has 384mb ram 
[02:11]	starstreak	highest_cubist_thrills, arch + gnome uses about 2gb ram
[02:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	gnome is an abomination
[02:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	the developers should be kicked off the planet
[02:11]	starstreak	lol
[02:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	"good luck, bye"
[02:11]	starstreak	i have 16GB of ram
[02:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	i certainly dont
[02:11]	MinceR	my pi1b has 512MB RAM
[02:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	live and let live was fine, before gnome decided to help destroy everything in the history of free software
[02:13]	starstreak	:/
[02:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	back then you could just say "gnome is kind of bloated, i recommend something better"
[02:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	and that was all you had to say
[02:13]	mixling	the total LoC with GNOME and all dependencies, what is it? add to this several dozens of millions of LoC for kernel and GNU-toolchain
[02:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	now you have to hope they die soon and painfully
[02:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	well you dont HAVE to
[02:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats what war does...
[02:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	maybe they shouldnt have declared it
[02:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	im sorry putin, now you have to fucking die
[02:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	its nothing personal, youre just a war criminal
[02:15]	mixling	problem with motif widgets, those won't attract any user base nor developers anymore
[02:15]	mixling	GNOME is much better than this
[02:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	its funny because
[02:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	after these people turn everything into a war 
[02:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	over pure bullshit and posturing
[02:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	and you start playing their game
[02:16]	MinceR	afaik application developers pretty much abandoned motif back when it was proprietary
[02:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	NOW suddenly it matters that we be forgiving and PROPORTIONAL
[02:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	was any of what happened over the past few years forgiving or proportional?
[02:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	no, it was all out war and total destruction
[02:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	systematic takeover and sabotage
[02:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	but its only ok when they do it
[02:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	if we stand up to that shit, suddenly its uncivilised
[02:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	i think the only reason for that is they already made people tired of fighting 
[02:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	so now people just want to wave a white flag
[02:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	nope
[02:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	time for another nuremburg trial
[02:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	its no good until ibm finally fucking swings
[02:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	they did it
[02:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	we let them go
[02:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	its time to settle it
[02:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	ibm should not fucking exist
[02:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	the whole legacy needs to die like half the third reich did
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[02:20]	mixling	another idea, since GNOME is opensource and free software, have fun compiling all this on a raspi2
[02:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	they fucking started it
[02:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	they can be the end of it
[02:20]	mixling	it's no fun on a raspi3 or raspi4 either, to do this, with "free software"
[02:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	by being fucking ended
[02:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	then if you want to punch some turd from the intellectual dark web and say youre fighting "nazis" sure
[02:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	go ahead
[02:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	but as long as ibm stands its a joke
[02:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	after ibm, microsoft needs to die
[02:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	the whole goddamned thing
[02:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	projects on github can perish
[02:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	save them while you can
[02:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	"local copies" 
[02:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	 :P
[02:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	better than nothing, not that you can tell
[02:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	heres what people dont fucking understand
[02:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	until this happens, free software doesnt exist
[02:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	its just sitting in a sort of purgatory
[02:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	while the fsf sits with their thumbs in their arse
[02:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	handing out c docs and replacing everyone in lieplanet with a glorified hall monitor like agent fucking smith
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[02:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me watches bradley kuhn stick his finger on someones forehead and turn them into another copy of penfold from dangermouse
[02:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	these people wont fix shit
[02:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	theyre doing little mroe than laundering tax-free donations
[02:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	what a fucking fraud
[02:25]	mixling	i don't think so
[02:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	"we fight for your freedom"
[02:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	what is your freedom? your freedom is bending over and working for microsoft for free
[02:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	we fight for your exploitation!
[02:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	oh thanks, can i donate?
[02:25]	mixling	that's true however
[02:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	sure! help us bend you over and make you work for microsoft for free
[02:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	join us today!
[02:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	we cant say anything that offend our masters
[02:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	your masters
[02:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	join us now and enslave the developers
[02:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	microsoft has lots of money, that is true, hackers that is true
[02:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	but theyll save money if we do all their work for them
[02:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	roy will say theyre hurting financially
[02:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	that is true, hackers, that is true
[02:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	but everyone happily does their bidding anyway
[02:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	the beat doesnt even matter, they can hire someone to fix it for free
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[02:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	have a free account! youre all working for us anyway
[02:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	even gnu works for us!
[02:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	ibm can sell gcc to microsoft
[02:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	thatll be fun
[02:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	LOCAL COPIES, OLIVA!
[02:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me throws confetti
[02:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	i realise that anyone talking about local copies is only talking about a first step
[02:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont get that though. if more steps are needed, why not mention that something has to be done with those copies?
[02:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	why are we always talking about fixing 10% of the prob-- oh
[02:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	yeah, thats why i call bullshit
[02:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	no one wants more than 10% of the problem fixed
[02:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	i mean 10% is progress
[02:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	while the coup dumps another 20% into the abyss
[02:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	americans understand this, its called the 2-party system
[02:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	github are the republicans
[02:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	fsf are the democrats
[02:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	both work for the corporations
[02:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	but the democrats are GOOD!
[02:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	useless, but GOOD!
[02:33]	mixling	good? how?
[02:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	i know there are analogues in other parts of the world
[02:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	america may have perfected a useless fake left party
[02:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	but they dont hold a monopoly on the idea
[02:34]	mixling	highest_cubist_thrills: how are those (US) "democrats" any good?
[02:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	github are the republicans <- fsf are the democrats <- gnu is bi-partisan
[02:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	its both fsf, AND github
[02:35]	mixling	doesn't make any sense
[02:35]	mixling	i tell you this: USA are evil
[02:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	roy: wings are a distraction
[02:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	yes, from the fact that the entire thing is bullshit
[02:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	sfc is the green party :) but its specifically the people invading the green party on behalf of the fake left
[02:38]	mixling	GAFAM, IBM Wintel ... all of them, USA
[02:39]	MinceR	aggi worships orcs because they have no technology
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[02:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	lol
[02:40]	mixling	i think vis-editor, that's from Switzerland, lua Brazil, tcc-toolchain France
[02:40]	mixling	notice something? 
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[02:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	when youre staring into the abyss, and mincer says something cynical, its typically funny as hell
[02:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	set and setting
[02:41]	mixling	it's not that challenging anymore, to be better than what USA does.
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[02:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	i had a nice day
[02:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	every favourite person in my world, i saw them all at once
[02:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	i mean, usually ill see them days apart from each other
[02:42]	MinceR	for states, it is indeed that challenging
[02:42]	MinceR	because states suck hard
[02:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	but today, somehow i mananged to bump into every single one
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[02:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	im not even in a bad mood
[02:43]	MinceR	states exemplify most if not all of the ways in which humanity sucks
[02:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	i just hate that people have destroyed free software, and the fsf pretends to give a shit
[02:43]	MinceR	they're led by sociopaths, they're authoritarian, they're entangled with evil corporations and cults
[02:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	they're led by sociopaths, they're authoritarian, they're entangled with evil corporations and cults <- all of this
[02:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	every word of it
[02:44]	mixling	FSF=USA, SFC=USA... why would i give a shit about them?
[02:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	and when youve spent more than a decade trying to give the world free software
[02:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	and this is what these people do to it
[02:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	theyre declaring war
[02:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	the fsf doesnt fight for anything
[02:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	theyre a fraud
[02:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	theyre stalin during the nazi invasion of russia
[02:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	DONT ATTACK THEM, THEY MIGHT FEEL PROVOKED!
[02:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	but theyre killing us!
[02:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	only a little bit!
[02:45]	TR News	Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-09-18.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-09-18.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now)
[02:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	if you ignore them maybe theyll go away!
[02:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	this isnt an endorsement of nazis, im saying we should destroy them
[02:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	however, no one wants to fight
[02:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	vichy free software (im not the only one to use this phrase, and its years old now)
[02:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	(just to give an idea of how long this shit has been going on)
[02:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	heil lennart
[02:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	heil ibm
[02:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me tapes mike godwins mouth
[02:48]	mixling	IBM=USA .. for the record
[02:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me draws a toothbrush moustache on him
[02:48]	mixling	make no mistake, where this came from
[02:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	systemd: githu
[02:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	lennart: goes to work for microsoft
[02:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	python: github
[02:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	guido: goes to work for microsoft
[02:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	php: github
[02:49]	mixling	microsoft=USA
[02:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	perl: github
[02:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	c++ (boost libs, do they matter?): github
[02:49]	MinceR	https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-godwin-godwins-law-20180624-story.html
[02:49]	TR Bot	 Do we need to update Godwin's Law about the probability of comparison to Nazis? - Los Angeles Times
[02:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	idk how important boost is
[02:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	saying it doesnt apply to actual nazis is a copout
[02:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	the whole thing was fucking stupid
[02:50]	MinceR	humans in general are fucking stupid
[02:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	mike godwin is the worlds most useless philosopher-- after herr doktor
[02:50]	MinceR	and most of the things humans say are fucking stupid
[02:50]	MinceR	so what's surprising about it?
[02:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	nothing when youre cynical, man
[02:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats why people are cynical, they get tired of feeling surprised
[02:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	so they just go "i told you so"
[02:51]	MinceR	or they stop being surprised
[02:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	yep
[02:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	well you cant blame them if theyre right, right?
[02:51]	MinceR	first we're exposed to humans' propaganda about themselves
[02:51]	MinceR	and then we learn what humans really are like
[02:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	javascript (npm): github
[02:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	mozilla / rust: both github 
[02:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	chrome: idk, who cares
[02:52]	mixling	i don't
[02:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	/ium
[02:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	mozilla and rust mentioned as you need something that runs javascript for it to work
[02:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	and it was originally created for browsers
[02:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	specifically the one that eventually became mozilla
[02:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	awk is free :)
[02:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	steel bank common lisp is free
[02:54]	MinceR	chromium is at googlesource
[02:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	idk about lisp libraries, quite a few are hostages on github
[02:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	 chromium is at googlesource <- not great but hey, not github
[02:55]	MinceR	at least they didn't capitulate entirely to MICROS~1
[02:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	right
[02:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	github.com/google still exists
[02:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	but maybe they just like holding it
[02:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	im sure theres something useful there
[02:55]	MinceR	could be a mirror
[02:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	like one of the libs that goes into gnu wget :)
[02:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	could be a mirror <- i never count it as a mirror if there are pull requests
[02:56]	mixling	toybox isn't on github
[02:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	i know you cant turn them off
[02:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	you can say "please dont use them" and close them though
[02:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	so when they dont say that, and there are loads of pull requests, its not a mirror (imo)
[02:56]	MinceR	how do you prevent people from mirroring your repo on a site that allows pull requests and doesn't allow turning them off?
[02:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	you cant prevent people from mirroring your repo if the license is free.
[02:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	of course i account for that
[02:57]	MinceR	they could even allow turning them off, they're managed by whoever's running the mirror
[02:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	im told its not possible to turn off
[02:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	if it is, thats just one more layer of bullshit
[02:57]	MinceR	also, a fork of your project could exist on shithub and take pull requests
[02:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	i account for forks
[02:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	but if your project is inactive and the "fork" is on github
[02:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	guess what
[02:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	the project is github-based
[02:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	i mean
[02:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	we can find 100 ways to say that a project hasnt moved to github
[02:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	but if it has, then it counts.
[02:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	i account for instances of projects not being github-based
[02:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	for example, openbsd is definitely not github based
[02:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	its a true mirror, for people who wonder what a true mirror looks like
[02:58]	mixling	they're still using CVS, lol
[02:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	maybe someday every project will be taken over by github
[02:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	then our only metric will be 
[02:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	who held out the most, the longest
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[02:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	bvut according to roy microsoft wont exist by then, because layoffs nyan
[02:59]	mixling	"take-over" implies github is an exclusive transfer, that's not how git works
[02:59]	MinceR	by your metric, all someone needs to do to make you not want to use openbsd is mirror it on shithub and add 2 pull requests
● Sep 19
[03:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	i literally just addressed that one moment ago
[03:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	maybe someday every project will be taken over by github
[03:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	then our only metric will be
[03:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	who held out the most, the longest
[03:00]	MinceR	i doubt it
[03:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	if you can come up with better metrics than mine for determining github takeover
[03:00]	MinceR	i have a few bits of code on codeberg and i'm not going to move them to shithub
[03:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont own the idea
[03:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	i have a few bits of code on codeberg and i'm not going to move them to shithub <- and openbsd is based on cvs
[03:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	and they like cvs
[03:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	and people are like-- could you please blow bill gates
[03:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	and theo is like-- we dont do that
[03:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	and roy is like aha! but they took money!
[03:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	mmhmm
[03:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	show me where they compromised.
[03:02]	mixling	*BSD? with llvm.
[03:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	now hold other projects up to the same standard you hold openbsd to.
[03:02]	MinceR	maybe with a hot air blower
[03:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	maybe with a cannon
[03:02]	MinceR	or hot air gun
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[03:02]	MinceR	do cannons blow?
[03:02]	MinceR	oh, they do
[03:02]	MinceR	maybe with C4
[03:02]	mixling	using llvm as compile, as far as i am concerned, they could move to rust-lang.
[03:02]	mixling	r
[03:02]	MinceR	i'd blow gAIDS... up.
[03:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	look up "blown from a gun" on wikipedia
[03:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	it was an execution method
[03:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	pretty barbaric
[03:03]	MinceR	:)
[03:03]	MinceR	barbaric is a good fit for humans, and especially for gAIDS
[03:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	and explode into space...
[03:03]	IPFS	 IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated.  TotalIn: 44 GB    TotalOut: 12 GB
[03:04]	mixling	it's ironic, BillG required 40years(!) to release his basic-interpreter, on github, 2020
[03:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=YqeW9_5kURI
[03:04]	TR Bot	 Major Lazer & DJ Snake - Lean On (feat. M) (Official Music Video) - Invidious
[03:04]	IPFS	 New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled.
[03:04]	mixling	by that measrure, BillG himself resisted longest already
[03:05]	MinceR	lol
[03:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	 :>
[03:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	shes ridiculous but the guys are awesome
[03:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	dj snake, major lazer
[03:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	they can wear a kurta like they were born in it
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[03:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	actually i think only one of them is wearing a kurta
[03:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	sad
[03:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	M - LEAN ON - The 2015 Nobel Peace Prize Concert
[03:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	"nobel peace prize"
[03:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	"name a prize thats more of a farce than than free software award"
[03:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	we should call it the nobel peace software award
[03:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	2023 nobel peace software award goes to
[03:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	nat friedman
[03:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	(posthumous) thomas watson for his incredible work on the german sorting machines
[03:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	and herr doktor, for contributions to imaginary alt-right gnu/linux distributions
[03:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	(winner 2022 award from the sixel foundation)
[03:17]	mixling	detangling as much as possible of "free software" from Satan (USA), is pride enough to take
[03:18]	mixling	it is well prepared, and progressed very far already
[03:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	GE partnered with German manufacturing firm Krupp to help build Hitler's army and used Jewish slave labor to build gas chambers during World War II and the Holocaust. The U.S. Government fined GE for working with the Nazis, but the American company continued to profit off of the War.
[03:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=H5ZLbwvQ1Ec
[03:19]	TR Bot	 BEAUTIFUL VINTAGE 80'S GE COMMERCIAL WE BRING GOOD THINGS TO LIGHT LIFE - Invidious
[03:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-18.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-19.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[03:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	"ge is light-- warm and bright!"
[03:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	"we bring good things to life!"
[03:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	we also kill people with gas chambers
[03:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	we sometimes use jewish slave labour
[03:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	general electric, i think originally general edison?
[03:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	edison bffs with ford, who LOOOOOVED hitler
[03:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	"dont mention the war! i mentioned it a couple times but i think i got away with it"
[03:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	ge is light! like aryan skin!
[03:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	we let good people live!
[03:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	unless theyre political opponents of the fuhrer
[03:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	hello sir, what is your name
[03:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	"henry ford"
[03:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	oh! the car maker. and you are an actual nazi?
[03:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	"no! i just really like hitler"
[03:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	oh, well, off you go then!
[03:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	mike godwin: ACTUAL NAZIS 
[03:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	leave henry ford alone
[03:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	mike godwin: the worlds most unintentional nazi apologist
[03:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	(no intention whatsoever)
[03:26]	MinceR	aryan skin isn't even light
[03:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats the funny part
[03:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	well, that and we beheaded stallman BEFORE bothering with ibm and ge
[03:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	ge made computers too yknow
[03:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	MULTICS
[03:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	they were involved in timesharing before unix, even before multics
[03:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	dtss: 1964
[03:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	that was ge
[03:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	i mean i dont know if they worked on a single line of code
[03:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	they provided the hardware
[03:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	everybody made computers in the 60s
[03:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	mcdonalds had the McIAC
[03:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	hershey made the BAR computer with almonds
[03:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	coca cola had the fanta-matic
[03:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	which failed to get a contract because of dehomag
[03:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	fanta-matic was a complete failure
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[03:34]	TR News	Rockstar Games Hacked, GTA 6 Gameplay Leaked - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=XWUl25w1iH8 | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/XWUl25w1iH8
[03:34]	TR Bot	 Rockstar Games Hacked, GTA 6 Gameplay Leaked - Invidious
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[03:35]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ny1J-0q-NAE we dont make gas chambers anymore! so buy our new blender from the store!
[03:35]	TR Bot	 GE Blender Commercial (1950's) - Invidious
[03:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	all our products are really great, unlike the ones used to exterminate!
[03:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	with our new blender you cant lose, this one wasnt made by enslaved jews!
[03:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	i like this because this was only like a decade later
[03:38]	TR News	"Josh and Kurt talk about the Time Till Open Source Alternative blog post. The numbers probably dont mean what we think they mean anymore. A lot of modern open source is really corporate controlled. Just because something carries an open source license doesnt mean you can contribute to it." https://opensourcesecurity.io/2022/09/18/episode-341-time-till-open-source-alternative/
[03:38]	TR Bot	 Episode 341 Time till open source alternative Open Source Security
[03:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	"should we mention hitler in the jingle?"
[03:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	"no! no, our market research shows hitler is DEFINITELY yesterdays news! just say the blender is great"
[03:40]	TR News	AI Image Upscaling Made Easy With Upscayl - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=zYw69zWVk9k | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/zYw69zWVk9k
[03:40]	TR Bot	 AI Image Upscaling Made Easy With Upscayl - Invidious
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[03:41]	TR News	After changing copyright assignment (for IBM et al to control GCC at the communitys expense) Mark J. Wielaard, who repeatedly tried to oust the FSFs founder from the FSF (and GNU), is turning to the SFC, a greedy corporation that censors IBM critics while it also tries to undermine the FSF (Moglen/SFLC already sued the SFC) http://techrights.org/2022/09/18/mark-j-wielaard-and-sourceware/
[03:41]	TR Bot	 Splinter Group SFC (Already Sued by Moglen/SFLC) is Not Really Against Microsoft GitHub, It Helps IBM/Red Hat Outsource GNU to GitHub Using the Same Excuses Microsoft Used When Lobbying for Kernel.org to Move to Proprietary GitHub | Techrights
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[03:43]	TR News	 (NEW): Linux 6.0-rc6 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Linux_6_0_rc6.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Linux_6_0_rc6.gmi 
[03:43]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Linux 6.0-rc6
[03:43]	TR News	 (NEW): Review: Porteus 5.0 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Review_Porteus_5_0.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Review_Porteus_5_0.gmi 
[03:43]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Review: Porteus 5.0
[03:45]	TR News	Geico told me I was a very safe driver and proceeded to raise my six month premium by over $150. | BaronHKs Rants https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/09/18/geico-told-me-i-was-a-very-safe-driver-and-proceeded-to-raise-my-six-month-premium-by-over-150/ Source: DaemonFC (Ryan Farmer)
[03:45]	TR Bot	 Geico told me I was a very safe driver and proceeded to raise my six month premium by over $150. | BaronHK's Rants
[03:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	doctors <3 smoking! https://yewtu.be/watch?v=IFrkSiCvBo0
[03:48]	TR Bot	 10 Commercials from the 40s - Invidious
[03:49]	TR News	 (NEW): MX-21.2.1 'Wildflower' released! http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/MX_21_2_1_Wildflower_released.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/MX_21_2_1_Wildflower_released.gmi 
[03:49]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines MX-21.2.1 'Wildflower' released!
[03:49]	TR News	 (NEW): Videos and Shows: Upscayl, Open Source Security, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Videos_and_Shows_Upscayl_Open_Source_Security_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Videos_and_Shows_Upscayl_Open_Source_Security_and_More.gmi 
[03:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	you know even if that case can handle falls like that
[03:49]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Videos and Shows: Upscayl, Open Source Security, and More
[03:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	i doubt the components liked it
[03:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	non-breakable solder points!
[03:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	sure okay
[03:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	bang it on the counter a few more times
[03:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	lets see how it works
[03:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	6 whiz wrappers
[03:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	they wouldnt see another whiz rapper until r kelly
[03:52]	TR News	The fog of war and the small-net search engines gemini://szczezuja.space/gemlog/2022-04-22-The-fog-of-war-and-the-smallnets-search-engines.gmi
[03:53]	TR News	"Ive noticed quite a few shell scripts recently that claim to be POSIX-compliant despite using mktemp, so I wanted to go over a compliant alternative and a few things you should know about writing POSIX shell (#!/bin/sh) scripts." gemini://dj-chase.com/documents/mktemp-isnt-posix.gmi
[03:54]	TR News	Billsmugs's Photography: Photos (13) uploaded gemini://gem.billsmugs.com/photos/2022-09-18/
[03:54]	TR News	"If you're a Doom Emacs user and you try using Elpher for the first time, you might get timeouts whenever you try to visit Gemini URLs, even if visiting Gopher/Finger URLs still works as expected. At least, that's what happened when I first tried." gemini://madeleine.flounder.online/gemlog/2022-09-18-doom-emacs-elpher-gemini-timeouts.gmi
[03:55]	TR News	Allotment gemini://ur.gs/blog/allotment/
[03:56]	TR News	"There is no ETA yet. I have local copies of all the list traffic so nothing is likely to have been lost forever." Except 10 months later it's still not back. gemini://gemini.circumlunar.space/~solderpunk/gemlog/gemini-mailing-list-down.gmi
[03:56]	TR News	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D358.jpg
[03:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	2:35 https://yewtu.be/watch?v=k4IpNvMbUaU
[03:57]	TR Bot	 15 Most Offensive Vintage Advertisements Ever - Invidious
[03:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	sega had a commercial with a guy using a joystick in a pretty non-standard way
[03:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	that said "THE MORE YOU PLAY WITH IT, THE HARDER IT GETS!"
[03:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	i definitely missed this one
[03:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	oh theres more text in that one...
[03:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	i wonder where that ran
[03:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.61 k/sec., IPFS upstream 76.21 average k/sec., average swarm size 149.28
[03:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	the entire concept was "playing sega is exactly like jerking off"
● Sep 19
[04:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	no mention of being in your parents basement though
[04:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	then they did again with game gear :)
[04:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	motorola had a campaign that educated people "HOW TELEVISON BENEFITS YOUR CHILDREN" 
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[04:03]	TR News	"There are a lot of articles and documentation pages explaining how to use Mock but I am hesitant to share them with new Fedora packagers because they make the tool look much scarier than it actually is. Using Mock is easy!" http://frostyx.cz/posts/using-mock-is-easy
[04:03]	TR Bot	Mock is easy | FrostyX.cz
[04:05]	TR News	 (NEW): Weekly GNU-like Mobile Linux Update (37/2022): libadwaita 1.2, Sxmo 1.11.1 and much more http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Weekly_GNU_like_Mobile_Linux_Update_37_2022_libadwaita_1_2_Sxmo.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Weekly_GNU_like_Mobile_Linux_Update_37_2022_libadwaita_1_2_Sxmo.gmi 
[04:05]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Weekly GNU-like Mobile Linux Update (37/2022): libadwaita 1.2, Sxmo 1.11.1 and much more
[04:05]	TR News	#Techrights Bulletin for Sunday, September 18, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
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[04:05]	TR Bot	 Techrights Full IPFS Index
[04:06]	schestowitz[TR]	highest_cubist_thrills:  tunnelvision benefits your children
[04:07]	schestowitz[TR]	http://www.atlasobscura.com/places/tunnelvision
[04:07]	TR Bot	 Tunnelvision Columbia, South Carolina - Atlas Obscura
[04:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	 Boy who ran neo-Nazi cell from gran's cottage aged 13 becomes UK's ...
[04:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/13913264/britains-youngest-terrorist-cornwall-neo-nazi/
[04:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	A BOY who ran a neo-Nazi cell from his gran's Cornish cottage when he was just 13 has today become the UK's youngest convicted terrorist
[04:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://besacenter.org/ibm-holocaust/
[04:09]	TR Bot	 IBM and the Holocaust
[04:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	lol
[04:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	www.foxnews.com/politics/nazis-and-anti-semites-slip-through-gop-primaries-causing-headaches-for-party
[04:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	'The Illinois Republican Party and our country have no place for Nazis.' Tim Schneider, chairman of the Illinois GOP. The Illinois GOP missed the deadline last month to allow them to run a ...
[04:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	no idea what date
[04:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: Twenty years ago last week, IBM and the Holocaust, exposedbacked up by a tower of documentation that IBM knowingly organized all six phases of the Holocaust: identification, exclusion, confiscation, ghettoization, deportation, and even extermination. All of this occurred under the micromanagement of IBMs celebrated CEO, Thomas Watson, Sr.,
[04:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	IBM knowingly organized all six phases of the Holocaust: identification, exclusion, confiscation, ghettoization, deportation, and even extermination.
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[04:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	you gotta wonder if they organised all six phases of the coup
[04:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	roy: failed coup
[04:12]	TR News	 (NEW): AMD Brings Ray Tracing Support In Its Open-Source Vulkan Graphics Drivers For RDNA 2 GPUs In Linux http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/AMD_Brings_Ray_Tracing_Support_In_Its_Open_Source_Vulkan_Graphi.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/AMD_Brings_Ray_Tracing_Support_In_Its_Open_Source_Vulkan_Graphi.gmi 
[04:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	also roy: some guy from red hat trying to tell you how gcc works
[04:12]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines AMD Brings Ray Tracing Support In Its Open-Source Vulkan Graphics Drivers For RDNA 2 GPUs In Linux
[04:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	treating official docs like legacy info
[04:13]	TR News	 (NEW): Weekly Roundups and Linux Around The World http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Weekly_Roundups_and_Linux_Around_The_World.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Weekly_Roundups_and_Linux_Around_The_World.gmi 
[04:13]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Weekly Roundups and Linux Around The World
[04:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	heres a quote
[04:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	"Without IBM, there would still have been a Holocaust killing hundreds of thousands. "
[04:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	hundreds of thousands...
[04:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	vs millions
[04:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	IBM: the information people!
[04:14]	schestowitz[TR]	ww2 killed tens of millions
[04:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	Einsatzgruppen murder squads and their militia cohorts would still have murdered East European Jews bullet by bullet in pits, ravines, and isolated clearings in the woods. But it was IBM that helped the Third Reich create the industrial, high-speed, six million-victims Holocaust
[04:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	metering ghetto residents out to trains, then carefully scheduling the moving of those trains to concentration camps for mass murder and cremation within hours, clearing the way for the next shipment of victims, day and night.
[04:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	BIG DATA
[04:15]	schestowitz[TR]	BDM
[04:15]	schestowitz[TR]	big data machines
[04:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	Custom IBM programs controlled the census and registration processes, organized the pauperization of the Jews, and ensured that the trains ran on time. 
[04:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	lucky for them the trains didnt run systemd
[04:15]	schestowitz[TR]	systemd timers
[04:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	There was an IBM customer sitethe HollerithAbteilungin almost every concentration camp,
[04:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	IBM even engineered Germanys odious extermination- by-labor campaign, where skills were matched to slave labor needs and Jews were called up to be worked to death. 
[04:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	theyre still really good at overworking their "employees"
[04:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	IBMs code for a Jewish inmate was 6 and its code for gas chamber was 8.
[04:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	to IBM, the Holocaust was just another business project.
[04:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	Watson, a sociopath and narcissist lacking any moral compass, was no stranger to crime in pursuit of his business aims. He had been convicted of extortion in the infamous National Cash Register scandal before he was ever handed the reins of IBM. An evidence technicality allowed his conviction to be overturned and Watson to escape prison time.
[04:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	How did IBM get involved? When Hitler came to power, he wanted to locate and destroy the Jews of Germany, Europe, and the world. That required the resources of a computer, but in 1933, no such computer existed
[04:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	The IBM alliance with the Third Reich was no rogue corporate operation run out of a basement. Day in and day out, it was Watson who personally micromanaged all aspects of the 12-year Nazi relationship. 
[04:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	Under Watson, IBM eagerly contacted the Hitler regime and made clear that it was the solutions company.
[04:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	ibm: the final solutions company
[04:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	systemd: the final solution to debian
[04:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-18.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-19.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[04:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	The first thing Hitler wanted to know was exactly how many Jews resided in Germany. IBM hired thousands to execute a door-to-door racial census.
[04:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	Hitler wanted to know was exactly how many Jews resided in Germany
[04:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	IBM hired thousands to execute a door-to-door racial census
[04:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	ibm went DOOR TO DOOR to LOCATE JEWS
[04:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats one i had not heard.
[04:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	Those trains ran on IBM punch cards, and owed their punctual timetables to special IBM scheduling programs. All the work and prisoner data from all the concentration camps was fed into a central nerve center in the T-Building at Oranienburg known as Section D-II and powered by custom-wired IBM machines. 
[04:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	Everything IBM did was custom, specific, and tailored to the Nazis specific needs.
[04:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	All IBM machines in Nazi Europe were leased, with monthly payments. They were insured by American and German insurance companies at their Reich locations and serviced by repairmen twice monthly on-site, whether the noisy, syncopating machines were located in downtown Berlin or at Auschwitz
[04:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	 in downtown Berlin <- IBM FSFE
[04:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	Hollerith machines were incapable of operating without IBMs custom punch cards, and each card could be used only once. Without a continuing card supply from IBM, the machines would have been like rifles without bullets.
[04:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	reminds me of rust
[04:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	"compile once and rewrite"
[04:23]	TR News	No, I won't mow my lawn gemini://lasse.nerdcamp.net/gemlog/20220703.gmi
[04:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	In the 20 years since IBM and the Holocaust was published, IBM has never asked for a single change to the text nor rebutted a single fact.
[04:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	Today, fear of what big tech can do to surveil, censor, and control our livesfrom China to Californiahas heightened interest in the book and its revelations. The connection is clear. To get a glimpse into our perilous future, we need only look back at what IBM helped Hitler do during the Holocaust, in the era before computers existed. What could a Hitler-type regime do today
[04:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	FSF: contribute to ibm gcc!
[04:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	FSF: a subsidiary of IBM
[04:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	stallman is the chief sonderkommando of the gnu project
[04:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	the sonderkommanden were the prisoners who had to sweep the ashes of the dead
[04:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	not nazis-- prisoners
[04:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	they also put the sonderkommanden in charge of pulling gold teeth out of corpses
[04:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	knowing pretty well their fate, being mired in it
[04:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	thank red hat for all of this
[04:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	if red hat gave a shit about freedom they would all resign
[04:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	(and not to go work for microsoft, ANOTHER subsidiary of ibm)
[04:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	when people leave ibm to work for microsoft, thats like when the catholic church moves a disgraced cardinal to another diocese
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[04:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	It is also worth asking why a company like IBM chose to participate in genocide. It was never about Nazism; it was never about antisemitism. It was about money. Business is, after all, the companys middle name.
[04:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	the final $olution
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[04:53]	TR News	Celebrating monarchy in 2022 is not compatible with any celebrations of democracy in Western 'civilised' societies
[04:53]	TR News	"Note person here even though the legislation calls it an industry code, application of the code isnt restricted to commercial bodies or those of a certain size the codes, once registered, apply to all people who provide the relevant services" https://www.mnot.net/blog/2022/09/11/esafety-industry-codes
[04:53]	TR Bot	 A Safer, More Centralised Australian Internet
[04:54]	TR News	My Blog is Hilariously Overengineered to the Point People Think it's a Static Site https://xeiaso.net/talks/how-my-website-works
[04:55]	TR Bot	 My Blog is Hilariously Overengineered to the Point People Think it's a Static Site - Xe
[04:55]	TR News	"Much has been written about the consequences this reactionary attitude has had on the public accessibility of the scholarship these societies have been publishing. Here, I would like to speculate on perhaps much more pernicious consequences." http://bjoern.brembs.net/2022/09/scholarly-societies-partly-to-blame-for-post-truth-age/
[04:55]	TR Bot	 bjoern.brembs.blog Scholarly societies partly to blame for post-truth age?
[04:56]	TR News	Who controls your data online? Hint: its not you! https://michaelwest.com.au/who-controls-your-data-online-hint-its-not-you/ Source: Michael West Media | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//michaelwest.com.au/who-controls-your-data-online-hint-its-not-you/
[04:56]	TR Bot	 Who controls your data online? Hint: it's not you!
[04:56]	TR News	Time for Australia to be the friend the Pacific needs - Michael West https://michaelwest.com.au/time-for-australia-to-be-the-friend-the-pacific-needs/ Source: Michael West Media | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//michaelwest.com.au/time-for-australia-to-be-the-friend-the-pacific-needs/
[04:56]	TR Bot	 Time for Australia to be the friend the Pacific needs - Michael West
[04:58]	TR News	Workers share of the national income pie falls to all-time low - Michael West https://michaelwest.com.au/workers-share-of-the-national-income-pie-falls-to-all-time-low/ Source: Michael West Media | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//michaelwest.com.au/workers-share-of-the-national-income-pie-falls-to-all-time-low/
[04:58]	TR Bot	 Workers share of the national income pie falls to all-time low - Michael West
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● Sep 19
[05:14]	TR News	 (NEW): Arduino and Other Boards http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Arduino_and_Other_Boards.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Arduino_and_Other_Boards.gmi 
[05:14]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Arduino and Other Boards
[05:14]	TR News	 (NEW): Axel Beckert: wApua 0.06.4 released http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Axel_Beckert_wApua_0_06_4_released.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Axel_Beckert_wApua_0_06_4_released.gmi 
[05:14]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Axel Beckert: wApua 0.06.4 released
[05:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-18.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-19.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[05:21]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/today_s_howtos.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/today_s_howtos.gmi 
[05:21]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
[05:22]	TR News	10 Years ago. They say if it lasts the first 10 years, then itll last a lifetime. Hopefully. https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/19/anniversary-post-roy-and-rianne/
[05:22]	TR Bot	Blog Archive 10 Years
[05:27]	TR News	"It is among the most common of human yearnings: the desire to see oneself as special and distinct from the herd. Individualism, coupled with exceptionalism has long been ingrained in American mythology." https://www.itjungle.com/2022/09/19/as-i-see-it-different-yet-the-same/
[05:27]	TR Bot	 As I See It: Different Yet the Same - IT Jungle
[05:27]	TR News	"Pandora FMS, an open source log monitoring solution that has been in use for decades, is being integrated with IBM i, the softwares commercial backer announced last week." https://www.itjungle.com/2022/09/19/pandora-fms-log-monitoring-solution-gets-ibm-i-hooks/
[05:27]	TR Bot	 Pandora FMS Log Monitoring Solution Gets IBM i Hooks - IT Jungle
[05:35]	TR News	 (NEW): Corporate Fluff: SUSE and IBM http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Corporate_Fluff_SUSE_and_IBM.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Corporate_Fluff_SUSE_and_IBM.gmi 
[05:35]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Corporate Fluff: SUSE and IBM
[05:35]	TR News	 (NEW): Hideo Kojima Trying out the Steam Deck at the TGS 2022, and His New Podcast called Brain Structure http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Hideo_Kojima_Trying_out_the_Steam_Deck_at_the_TGS_2022_and_His_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Hideo_Kojima_Trying_out_the_Steam_Deck_at_the_TGS_2022_and_His_.gmi 
[05:35]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Hideo Kojima Trying out the Steam Deck at the TGS 2022, and His New Podcast called Brain Structure
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[06:03]	TR News	A Year After Release Vista 11 Hasnt Even Been Adopted (Nowhere Near Vista 10 Yet) and Microsoft Already Drops Vista 12 Vapourware | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/19/vista-12-vapourware/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/19/vista-12-vapourware/
[06:03]	TR Bot	 A Year After Release Vista 11 Hasnt Even Been Adopted (Nowhere Near Vista 10 Yet) and Microsoft Already Drops Vista 12 Vapourware | Techrights
[06:11]	TR News	Links 19/09/2022: MX Linux 21.2.1 and 4MLinux 41.0 Beta | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/19/4mlinux-41-0-beta/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/19/4mlinux-41-0-beta/
[06:11]	TR Bot	 Links 19/09/2022: MX Linux 21.2.1 and 4MLinux 41.0 Beta | Techrights
[06:11]	TR News	 (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Programming_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Programming_Leftovers.gmi 
[06:11]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
[06:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	[C[C[C[C[D:j #techrights
[06:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-18.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-19.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[06:30]	TR News	COVID-19 Positivity Rates Rising Again This Month https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/19/covid-19-positivity/
[06:30]	TR Bot	Blog Archive COVID-19 Positivity Rates Rising Again This Month
[06:30]	TR News	 (NEW): 9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: September 18th, 2022 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/9to5Linux_Weekly_Roundup_September_18th_2022.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/9to5Linux_Weekly_Roundup_September_18th_2022.gmi 
[06:30]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines 9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: September 18th, 2022
[06:34]	TR News	Canary in the Photo Mine | LINUX Unplugged 476 https://feed.jupiter.zone/allshows#entry-8828
[06:35]	TR News	How to tell Web apps and Android apps apart on your [sic] Chromebook https://chromeunboxed.com/differentiate-web-android-apps-chromeos
[06:35]	TR Bot	 How to tell Web Apps and Android apps apart on your Chromebook
[06:36]	TR News	Its rather revealing that Vista 11 is another Vista 8.x or Windows ME; almost nobody adopts it (not many people buy a new PC in an economic downturn amid rise of mobile devices) but Microsoft already rushes to promise some future version http://techrights.org/2022/09/19/vista-12-vapourware/
[06:36]	TR News	"They just silently (no advance notice) stopped issuing these reports 2 months ago when there was a COVID-19 surge. As if the goal was to pacify, not protect or inform, the public." https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/19/covid-19-positivity/
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● Sep 19
[07:16]	TR News	Free as in Finance/Money: Salary of SFCs Chief Rose to $216,000 Per Year ($18,000 Per Month), or More Than Twice the FSFs Chief | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/19/sfc-salaries/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/19/sfc-salaries/
[07:16]	TR Bot	 Free as in Finance/Money: Salary of SFCs Chief Rose to $216,000 Per Year ($18,000 Per Month), or More Than Twice the FSFs Chief | Techrights
[07:18]	schestowitz[TR]	highest_cubist_thrills: might be of interest ^
[07:18]	schestowitz[TR]	I thought of another reference there
[07:19]	schestowitz[TR]	but forgot while typing
[07:19]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe it'll come back later
[07:19]	schestowitz[TR]	did not mention OSI
[07:19]	schestowitz[TR]	among other links
[07:19]	schestowitz[TR]	but what FSFE did to FSF
[07:19]	schestowitz[TR]	or OSI did to FSF
[07:19]	schestowitz[TR]	SFC does to SFLC
[07:19]	schestowitz[TR]	creating confusion
[07:19]	schestowitz[TR]	to steal mindshare and goodwill off of GNU etc.
[07:20]	schestowitz[TR]	as if FSFE made gnu
[07:20]	schestowitz[TR]	fsfe: you suppot fsf?
[07:20]	schestowitz[TR]	you are european?
[07:20]	schestowitz[TR]	then give money to us!!
[07:20]	schestowitz[TR]	We're even more ethical than fsf
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[07:20]	schestowitz[TR]	fsf supports rape or somehing --fsfe
[07:20]	schestowitz[TR]	those parasites aren't in it on their own
[07:20]	schestowitz[TR]	check who sponsors them
[07:20]	schestowitz[TR]	i.e. makes them stronger
[07:21]	schestowitz[TR]	also, see the text from sflc
[07:21]	schestowitz[TR]	I reproireucued it
[07:21]	schestowitz[TR]	cc licence
[07:21]	schestowitz[TR]	they tried for 3 years to settle the trademark issue
[07:21]	schestowitz[TR]	just like fsf and fsfe
[07:21]	schestowitz[TR]	and there is no response
[07:21]	schestowitz[TR]	they just snub the originals
[07:21]	schestowitz[TR]	the ones who MADE them
[07:21]	schestowitz[TR]	SFLC made SFC
[07:22]	schestowitz[TR]	and then SFC went out of its way to attack its own
[07:22]	schestowitz[TR]	or its origins
[07:22]	schestowitz[TR]	parastic to say the least
[07:22]	schestowitz[TR]	y: we are just like x, but we are more ethical, because
[07:23]	schestowitz[TR]	a) y has more ionories AND/OR
[07:23]	schestowitz[TR]	*minorities
[07:23]	schestowitz[TR]	b) y gets more positive media coverage from media owned by its sponsors, e.g. IBM
[07:24]	schestowitz[TR]	LF is the same, but in relation to other projects. mostyly openwashing. sfc does not do openwashing afaict
[07:24]	schestowitz[TR]	it just tries to suck out the life... clients... from sflc, fsf...
[07:25]	schestowitz[TR]	and then sfjc groupies like mjg59_  slander the originals
[07:25]	schestowitz[TR]	moglen, rms..
[07:25]	schestowitz[TR]	to boost their own
[07:25]	schestowitz[TR]	Red Hat etc. (employer)
[07:25]	schestowitz[TR]	so you know what they stand for
[07:25]	schestowitz[TR]	later on sfc hired Shrap too
[07:25]	schestowitz[TR]	they hire from the mob
[07:25]	schestowitz[TR]	rewarding the online mob
[07:25]	schestowitz[TR]	same people who attacked Torvalds for the sponsors of LF
[07:25]	schestowitz[TR]	and they can smell the cash
[07:25]	schestowitz[TR]	they have a noose for money
[07:26]	schestowitz[TR]	swimming with the sharks
[07:26]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2021/02/08/fosdem-ibm-gag/
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[07:26]	schestowitz[TR]	sfc: don't criticise ibm (or gnome)
[07:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	http://techrights.org/2019/06/11/changing-the-names/
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[07:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	and then sfjc groupies like mjg59_  slander the originals <- bait and switch, idealisation and devaluation, scoopy doo maneuver...
[07:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	 sfc: don't criticise ibm (or gnome) <- and of course, monopoly
[07:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	stallman doesnt speak for the movement he created, SAYS SFC
[07:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	sfc does
[07:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	kuhn is god!
[07:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	but not really, starstreak  : 09/19/22 06:27 <highest_cubist_thrills> but not really, 
[07:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats much more ecumenical!
[07:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	stallman is nobody, says somebody
[07:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	 and lets back it up with these lies...
[07:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	someone defaced his door-- thats his fault!
[07:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	but lets enter mincer mode
[07:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	whats the point of this?
[07:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	over the past few years, the culture has been transformed
[07:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	truth is passe, even frowned upon
[07:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	lies are effective-- more than anything else
[07:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	image is everything, and freedom is a joke
[07:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	sure, on principle, someone (hopefully) tries to figure it out and tell people
[07:32]	geert	transforamtion is still ongoing, so lets better try not accept it as static
[07:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	but do people actually care? ask mincer
[07:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	im inclined to think they dont, but for some exeptions
[07:33]	geert	and lies are most often tries to escape from something that is considered ideally tense so to speak
[07:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	years ago i wrote about this-- it wasnt apathy, even if it appeared to be
[07:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	im not so sure now
[07:33]	geert	and mincer mode 'whats the point of all this'
[07:33]	geert	well e.g. try get mincer educated as an example
[07:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	maybe i was right, but right now, i think people are past giving a shit
[07:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	im including the previous view for completeness
[07:34]	geert	people suggest all people, i think its a sorry few you get to point out who wouldnt give a shit anymore
[07:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	for years ive searched for those who give a shit about this
[07:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	and surely they exist.
[07:34]	geert	and many who pose like that, still give a shit but act as if they dont care
[07:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	its a question of how many, and what they can do about it
[07:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	ive spent plenty of time determining that as well
[07:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont think a damned thing is going to happen about it
[07:35]	highest_cubist_thrills	the free software dark ages will continue
[07:35]	highest_cubist_thrills	for now
[07:35]	highest_cubist_thrills	for some time
[07:35]	highest_cubist_thrills	probably for a long time
[07:35]	geert	i think transformation is ongoing and we dont necessarily need to fantasize its result as if necessarily pessimistic
[07:35]	highest_cubist_thrills	long enough for gnu to become much more obviously dead
[07:35]	geert	the lies will not prevail, however it might seem otherwise
[07:35]	highest_cubist_thrills	long enough for this farce to become broadly apparent
[07:35]	highest_cubist_thrills	could take years
[07:35]	geert	and the bogus malicious corrupt shit will not win
[07:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	ALREADY HAS taken years.
[07:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	the time the fsf has spent being ineffective is a fraction that just grows larger
[07:36]	geert	not the money, not the propriety intellectual theft, at one point all the malicious crap will *obviously* proof damaging to group so to speak
[07:36]	geert	so every day we got more possibilities than difficulties
[07:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	theyve been thumb-in-arse since 2014 at the latest
[07:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	7 or 8 years
[07:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	theyve existed for fewer than 40 years
[07:37]	geert	so it takes years not because malicious will win
[07:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	so whats the percentage?
[07:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	for the past 20% or so of its existence, fsf has accomplished nothing.
[07:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	nothing.
[07:37]	geert	it more of takes years because malicious is afraid to lose and try get more time through lies to try not lose
[07:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	its not a force for freedom
[07:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	it cant stand up to the corporations
[07:37]	geert	but malicious will lose anyway and the more time it takes the more cost staples on top of initial malicious already so they kinda shooting their own toes, so to speak
[07:38]	geert	wish ya'll good morning, things things so prolly bbiab :)
[07:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	whats the way out? alternatives.
[07:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	where are they?
[07:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	they all suck.
[07:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	i think openbsd is a fine os, which does good things
[07:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	but openbsd is not a free software organisation
[07:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	it is an operating system
[07:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	it does not exist to liberate the user-- even if it makes the user more free
[07:39]	geert	so related to peoples perception, it got advantages too.
[07:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	it can be used for that
[07:39]	geert	meaning it isnt perfect
[07:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	but the purpose of de raadt and others is not to encourage freedom, even if they produce tools useful for that purpose.
[07:39]	geert	meaning we got cause to put possibilities we got to use
[07:39]	geert	a few hours ago i got to hear something;
[07:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	they arent freedom-centric, freedom-based, thats not their purpose
[07:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	their purpose is just software.
[07:39]	geert	'if we really achieve confortable, why in the world would we make a change' <-- something along that line
[07:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	at least they have great standards-- but they dont have that cause.
[07:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	so where is that cause?
[07:40]	geert	so if it isnt perfect, i guess we got reason to try work
[07:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	the answer is: nowhere
[07:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	if you take all the energy that goes into an engine block
[07:40]	geert	nonono, we got cause, the cause is Right
[07:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	and you remove the engine block, your destination is:
[07:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	exactly where youre sitting
[07:40]	geert	if its imperfect, its obviously not *Right*
[07:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats where free software is going
[07:40]	geert	so we got plenty of cause
[07:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	it has no life to it
[07:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	it is inert
[07:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	dead.
[07:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	the fsf is dead, gnu is dead, some people poke it and go
[07:41]	geert	nonono youmistake a object with its user/abuser
[07:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	THERE! IT MOVED!
[07:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	just like palin in the dead parrot sketch
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[07:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	ive been complaining about this for years
[07:41]	geert	like a hammer is utilized, and use would probably classify it tool and abuse in many occasion would classify it weapon
[07:41]	geert	so it is with software
[07:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	i even stuck olivas head on palin and the fsf logo over the parrot
[07:41]	geert	in itself its like a object
[07:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	because i was tired of his nonsense
[07:42]	geert	if object is not handled, it is unlikely to provide effect
[07:42]	geert	the effect should not be mixed with 'life'
[07:42]	geert	anyways bbiab, things things :)
[07:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	let me know when you know how to make a parrot
[07:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	we already know who killed it.
[07:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	feel free to take a closer look at the time of death, because thats still a mystery
[07:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	theres nothing left to save.
[07:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	not in terms of the movement.
[07:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	there is no movement.
[07:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	theres software to salvage
[07:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	but no movement to salvage it
[07:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	all they can do is fucking archive it
[07:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	developing and maintaining it, in lines with free software
[07:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	would require a free software movement.
[07:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	there isnt one.
[07:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	since the flagship project of the free software movement is gnu
[07:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	THE free operating system
[07:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	owned and controlled by ibm
[07:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	held hostage by microsoft
[07:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	the most interesting proof of the death of the movement is the destruction of its flagship
[07:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	but at the end of the day, thats only evidence
[07:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	if you look around, at anything, you can join mr. cleese in siding with reality
[07:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	or you can push the cage and say "THERE! IT MOVED!"
[07:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	but until someone figures out how to make a parrot
[07:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	this is all very silly
[07:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	open source has replaced the free software movement
[07:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	completely
[07:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	bait and switch
[07:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	there is still free software
[07:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	but no movement to speak of
[07:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	so good luck with that
[07:46]	geert	well nothing about the software and foundations is perfect
[07:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	someday, probably, the movement will return
[07:46]	geert	imperfect means we got things to do
[07:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	someday, probably, russia will be communist again too
[07:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	theres no way to predict when
[07:47]	geert	well talking about communist, if the EU as an example dont watch out they might get communist first
[07:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	could be years, could be decades
[07:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	it wont be centuries, capitalism will kill us faster than that
[07:47]	geert	so reality is like ongoing transformation currently
[07:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	it killed free software
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[07:47]	geert	and we should try affect that ongoing transformation 'positively'
[07:47]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Articles of Interest
[07:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	stallman was too trusting
[07:47]	geert	and if mincer ask 'whats the point'
[07:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	paranoid wouldnt suit him
[07:47]	geert	we should answer things like 'to try get you educated'
[07:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	but neither does being a doormat or a sucker
[07:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	to be fair, most people-- pretty much anyone
[07:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	in his position, for such a long time
[07:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	would have one hell of a time holding this off as long as he did
[07:48]	geert	stallman to me means another imperfect being, like you, like me
[07:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	ive seen no person of equal tenacity
[07:48]	geert	subjective people are imperfect, so they got reason to learn
[07:48]	geert	stallman wasnt excempt from that
[07:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	no pretender to the throne who can match half of his staying power
[07:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	theres something wrong with that model, yes
[07:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	but theres nothing to replace it either
[07:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	so bullshit reigns
[07:49]	geert	you seem to try make things static that are rather dynamically transforming, which is ongoing process currently
[07:49]	geert	with many subprocesses
[07:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	if enough people gave a shit i think they could assert something
[07:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	we certainly arent in that situation
[07:50]	geert	many people give a shit but they dont show it because they see that as potential vulnerabilities to their ego that others would possibly exploit
[07:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	maybe someday
[07:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont think it will be soon
[07:50]	geert	many those things got to do with them, in this interconnect world so to say
[07:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	its naive to think when its been years of bs
[07:50]	geert	so far most *do* give a shit, so to speak
[07:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	that we wont have years more of bs
[07:50]	geert	even if they try deny it
[07:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	whatever is going to change it
[07:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	isnt hiding in the wings
[07:50]	geert	as an example, so to speak
[07:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	its in the mists of time
[07:51]	geert	maybe ttyl :) plz better try aim positive :)
[07:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	but hey
[07:51]	geert	that you probably not become as old and inflexible as mincer seem sometimes :)
[07:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	id love to be wrong
[07:51]	geert	if you wouldnt love to be wrong, i think it becomes difficult learning
[07:52]	geert	and we got plenty of reason to learn
[07:52]	geert	bbiab, things things :)
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[07:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	i boycott the traitors
[07:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	you write whatrights
[07:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	there are no techrights, so my question is, whatrights?
[07:53]	geert	i think better say : techreasons or techduties
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[07:53]	schestowitz[TR]	techconservancy
[07:54]	schestowitz[TR]	now with extra D and I
[07:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	software freedom servancy con
[07:54]	geert	schesto!! wish you good morning too like the others
[07:54]	schestowitz[TR]	less "hate"
[07:54]	schestowitz[TR]	less criticism of crime
[07:54]	schestowitz[TR]	=less "hate"
[07:54]	geert	and btw i got to see a site you get <-- schesto ; seemed quite informative!!
[07:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	hate disguised as love is still hate
[07:55]	geert	disguise do not 'unset' facts
[07:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	hate disguised as tolerance is still hate
[07:55]	geert	hate evil. all other hate is not so good
[07:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	hypocrisy and authoritarianism disguised as love and tolerance is still hypocrisy and authoritarianism
[07:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	and lieplanet runs the fsf
[07:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	it also ruined the fsf
[07:56]	geert	theres lots of imperfect, but its not reason to declare imperfect 'winner'
[07:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	a big corporate trojan horse 
[07:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	that shits on everything
[07:56]	geert	so hypocrisy, authoritarianism etc. is *not* going to win
[07:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	trojan horseshit everywhere
[07:56]	geert	and such malicious dont wana lose, most often, so they try 'win time' as it is said sometimes because they're afraid of losing
[07:56]	geert	not because malicious  would win
[07:56]	geert	they afraid of losing
[07:57]	geert	thats most often why it kind of seem to take so much time, coz malicious is afraid of losing and they figure they *might* win by trying eat some more time, so to speak
[07:57]	geert	its not like malicious is winning, they wont win, they cannot win, malicious crap is still crap however it might be disguised
[07:57]	geert	:)
[07:58]	geert	wish ya'll good morning
[07:58]	geert	so you got cause, you got plenty cause, and you got possibilities much more than difficulties
[07:58]	geert	and you should better try aim 'positive'
[07:59]	geert	and the goons wana take that positive aim, they want influence you psychologically in ways they figure they can be more goon
[07:59]	geert	coz if you feel resilient, they think they get less room to goon
[07:59]	geert	so plz better try aim 'positive'
[07:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 40.10 k/sec., IPFS upstream 67.13 average k/sec., average swarm size 141.38
[07:59]	geert	and if mincer ask 'whats the point'
[07:59]	geert	they i think you better might get to tell em ' to try educate you'
[07:59]	geert	:)
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[08:01]	geert	youdont have to give the miserable malicious goons what they want, like e.g. affecting you negatively psychologically, you do not *have* to give em the goon shit they want
[08:03]	geert	not like i want to insult you like you would only favor negativism
[08:04]	geert	but you seem to worry so much that it dont necessarily lead to 'better understanding' :)
[08:08]	schestowitz[TR]	<geert> so hypocrisy, authoritarianism etc. is *not* going to win
[08:08]	schestowitz[TR]	IF
[08:08]	schestowitz[TR]	you call them out on it
[08:08]	schestowitz[TR]	and win the argument
[08:08]	schestowitz[TR]	which is easy when the facts are on your side
[08:09]	schestowitz[TR]	"cluebat" over the ehad
[08:09]	schestowitz[TR]	*head
[08:09]	schestowitz[TR]	2300 active capsules by year's end? 2400? gemini://gemini.bortzmeyer.org/software/lupa/stats.gmi
[08:11]	geert	schesto; malicious is *not* going to win. they want to appear like 'legit', but they arent. they want you or me to think the universe runs around 'malicious' but it doesnt
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[08:11]	geert	if the universe ran around malcious, so to speak, the stars didnt look as they do look
[08:11]	schestowitz[TR]	geert: i agree
[08:11]	geert	so the universe not going to bend for malicious, they not going to win, however it might appear
[08:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	 <schestowitz[TR]> which is easy when the facts are on your side
[08:12]	schestowitz[TR]	geert: case of point:
[08:12]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2022/09/14/sfc-income/
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[08:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	youve already proved that to be false.
[08:12]	schestowitz[TR]	also:
[08:12]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2022/08/28/linux-foundation-revenue-plunges/
[08:12]	TR Bot	 Linux Foundation Revenue Plunges ($18,000,000 Decrease in One Year) and Jim Zemlins Wife Has Her Company Sued for Securities Fraud (Class Action) | Techrights
[08:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	mjg also thinks the facts are on his side
[08:12]	schestowitz[TR]	\gates foundation is also collapsing
[08:12]	schestowitz[TR]	but it took a long time
[08:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	with this he plagues people for years
[08:12]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php?title=Gates_Foundation_Critique
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[08:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	gates foundation is also collapsing <- so what
[08:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	muskets are no longer used in war
[08:13]	schestowitz[TR]	everything we saud about uefi turned out to be correct 
[08:13]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/wiki/UEFI
[08:13]	TR Bot	 UEFI - Techrights
[08:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	war somehow persists
[08:13]	geert	as it seems, to a moment in time we dont grasp as much about as we often think
[08:13]	schestowitz[TR]	and mjg59_  was sought for rewards by Microsoft: http://techrights.org/2022/08/01/headhunting-matthew-garrett/
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[08:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	 everything we saud about uefi turned out to be correct <- its easier to be correct about problems than solutions
[08:13]	schestowitz[TR]	<highest_cubist_thrills> war somehow persists
[08:13]	schestowitz[TR]	class war always persisted
[08:13]	schestowitz[TR]	and it cannot be ended
[08:13]	schestowitz[TR]	only faught on
[08:14]	geert	schesto; nice providing those links, today i get seriously planning look into it, now i got planning to try dig a bit through 'sexuality SJW mess'
[08:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	the point being
[08:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	if the gates foundation has crumbled
[08:14]	schestowitz[TR]	geert: it's not "SJW"
[08:14]	schestowitz[TR]	it's one of several methods
[08:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	the problems do not die with it
[08:14]	schestowitz[TR]	but not the ends
[08:14]	schestowitz[TR]	there are other methods
[08:14]	schestowitz[TR]	copyrights, patents, kidnapping
[08:14]	schestowitz[TR]	like wikileaks
[08:14]	geert	hmmmm nice pointing that out ;)
[08:15]	schestowitz[TR]	wikileaks was attacked in a lot of ways
[08:15]	geert	still is
[08:15]	geert	horrendous malicious goons try stuff like thaty
[08:15]	geert	but they wont win.
[08:15]	schestowitz[TR]	not in the long run
[08:15]	DaemonFC	https://archive.ph/sbiLr
[08:15]	TR Bot	 Gemini Portal
[08:15]	schestowitz[TR]	there will be many casualties like cannon fodder
[08:15]	DaemonFC	Wegmans Discontinues Self-Checkout App, Citing Losses
[08:15]	DaemonFC	Walmart has one of these too.
[08:16]	schestowitz[TR]	bully de blanc is bascially finished http://techrights.org/2021/04/21/libel-campaigns/
[08:16]	mjg59_	I may have been unclear here, but *Netflix* have tried harder to recruit me than Microsoft did
[08:16]	TR Bot	 Overt Abuse and Mischaracterisations by Bully de Blanc | Techrights
[08:16]	DaemonFC	Wegmans says their theft went up 18% when they did the "scan and go" app.
[08:16]	schestowitz[TR]	and her boss also http://techrights.org/2022/02/14/goodbye-mcgovern/
[08:16]	TR Bot	 Reprehensible GNOME Foundation Leadership Falls on Sword While Richard Stallman Returns | Techrights
[08:16]	DaemonFC	(02:16:07 AM) mjg59_: I may have been unclear here, but *Netflix* have tried harder to recruit me than Microsoft did
[08:16]	geert	its reason why malicious wont win, before its cannon fodder
[08:16]	DaemonFC	To do what? DRM?
[08:16]	geert	so malicious is stappling the reasons to get done with malicious itself so to speak
[08:16]	mjg59_	Yeah, which is why I told them to fuck off
[08:16]	DaemonFC	That's all they really are. A bunch of groomers with DRM.
[08:16]	geert	before those 'casualties' are cannon fodder
[08:16]	geert	plz try aim positive
[08:16]	DaemonFC	They're laying off anyway now. You'd have been laid off most likely.
[08:17]	mjg59_	Given the last time they tried was last week, probably not
[08:17]	DaemonFC	They're going under.
[08:17]	geert	malicious try so much, but it wont give them the real win
[08:17]	DaemonFC	Streaming has become far too diluted.
[08:17]	DaemonFC	And they're doing price hikes into a stagflation recession as they lose millions of subscribers.
[08:17]	schestowitz[TR]	there are published speculations microsoft will buy netflix
[08:17]	DaemonFC	So if you agree to work there, good luck.
[08:17]	schestowitz[TR]	I can link to some
[08:18]	schestowitz[TR]	but would rather not
[08:18]	schestowitz[TR]	as it is microsoft cheerleading articles
[08:18]	schestowitz[TR]	microsoft is now managing their ads (revenue)
[08:18]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: I think I was just pretty clear that I wasn't going to agree to work there
[08:18]	schestowitz[TR]	is netflix profiting at all?
[08:18]	schestowitz[TR]	let's see 2022 numbers
[08:18]	DaemonFC	Nobody in the mainstream media will say it, but Biden's economy has turned into stagflation.
[08:18]	schestowitz[TR]	they had millionf of cancellations
[08:18]	schestowitz[TR]	and fired thoussands to lower expenses
[08:18]	DaemonFC	Zero or negative GDP with double-digit inflation.
[08:18]	schestowitz[TR]	https://time.com/6198354/netflix-subscribers-loss-second-quarter-future/
[08:18]	TR Bot	Loses 1 Million Subscribers in Second Quarter | Time
[08:19]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62226912
[08:19]	TR Bot	 Netflix loses almost a million subscribers - BBC News
[08:19]	mjg59_	I've got a senior title in the bay area, it would be weird if Microsoft didn't try to recruit me
[08:19]	DaemonFC	They try to protect Biden so even as things get so much worse than they were 3 or 4 years ago, they won't say it.
[08:19]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/18/netflix-investors-brace-for-subscriber-losses-as-company-builds-for-long-term.html
[08:19]	TR Bot	 Netflix investors brace for subscriber losses as firm focuses on fixes
[08:19]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.ft.com/content/c3b63a57-0d46-41c7-8f6b-c61d388db039
[08:19]	TR Bot	 Subscribe to read | Financial Times
[08:19]	schestowitz[TR]	"Netflix shares fall almost 40% after subscribers warning
[08:19]	schestowitz[TR]	"
[08:19]	schestowitz[TR]	40%
[08:19]	schestowitz[TR]	wow
[08:20]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2]: Like dad said, first people stop spending on things they want.
[08:20]	DaemonFC	Then they can't spend on things they NEED.
[08:20]	DaemonFC	That's where things are going.
[08:20]	schestowitz[TR]	https://medium.com/@alex.sun93/why-netflixs-enormous-cash-losses-are-necessary-not-reckless-netflix-is-not-a-bubble-part-1-ceb31e0a49f3
[08:20]	TR Bot	Netflixs enormous cash losses are necessary, not reckless (NETFLIX IS NOT A BUBBLE, PART 1) | by Alex Sun | Medium
[08:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-18.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-19.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[08:20]	DaemonFC	So you see that in things like people buying Netflix subscriptions first.
[08:20]	schestowitz[TR]	https://miro.medium.com/max/700/0*8ExozlS_sSme-lCm
[08:20]	schestowitz[TR]	another uber
[08:20]	schestowitz[TR]	another tesla
[08:20]	DaemonFC	And things are not going to get better for them.
[08:20]	schestowitz[TR]	"we are losing"
[08:20]	schestowitz[TR]	"bear with us"
[08:20]	schestowitz[TR]	"we'll make money one day... maybe"
[08:20]	schestowitz[TR]	Twitter, Clownflare... also big losses
[08:20]	schestowitz[TR]	spotify just abotu hanging there before pandemic
[08:21]	schestowitz[TR]	NYSE = fraud
[08:21]	DaemonFC	mjg59_ realizes that if he takes a job at Netflix, it may not even last a year before a round of layoffs wipes him out anyway.
[08:21]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2022/08/28/linux-foundation-revenue-plunges/
[08:21]	TR Bot	 Linux Foundation Revenue Plunges ($18,000,000 Decrease in One Year) and Jim Zemlins Wife Has Her Company Sued for Securities Fraud (Class Action) | Techrights
[08:21]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/zemlins-are-volatile/
[08:21]	TR Bot	 After Defrauding People in New York Stock Exchange (Now Class Action for Securities Fraud) Jim Zemlins Wife Quits Bakkt to Dodge Liability | Techrights
[08:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	based on roys raving about the (limitless) failure of the tech industry
[08:21]	DaemonFC	If they're getting rid of the Oscar winning animation people, then are they going to keep the DRM guy?
[08:21]	DaemonFC	To write DRM for WHAT?
[08:21]	schestowitz[TR]	<DaemonFC> mjg59_ realizes that if he takes a job at Netflix, it may not even last a year before a round of layoffs wipes him out anyway.
[08:21]	schestowitz[TR]	or HEY HI in cars
[08:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	you would have to assume hes either mistaken, or that we have reached peak tech industry
[08:21]	schestowitz[TR]	I did this as a postdoc for a bit
[08:21]	schestowitz[TR]	explored it from research POV
[08:21]	schestowitz[TR]	it stinks
[08:21]	schestowitz[TR]	it would never work
[08:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont think the tech industry has peaked
[08:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	sadly
[08:22]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe in w warsdhouse
[08:22]	schestowitz[TR]	where all vehicles are on some control system,
[08:22]	DaemonFC	mjg59_: Widevine is fucking crap, you know.
[08:22]	schestowitz[TR]	not on roads with many cars, dogs, cats, squirrels, pedestrians
[08:22]	DaemonFC	Everything that's "protected" by Widevine ends up being downloaded by ahem.....
[08:22]	DaemonFC	About 3-4 hours later.
[08:22]	schestowitz[TR]	can you image "HEY HI" BS companies like auraro writing a fuction for squirrel avoidance?
[08:22]	schestowitz[TR]	how would they TEST it?
[08:23]	schestowitz[TR]	IRL?
[08:23]	schestowitz[TR]	get a thousand squrrels in a bag?
[08:23]	schestowitz[TR]	and some cars to crash like mercedes in its "Safety" ads?
[08:23]	DaemonFC	Netflix is going to be the first streaming company to fail because they don't want to commit to anything.
[08:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	if you both have unfaltering conviction that youre right, neither of you can affect the other
[08:23]	schestowitz[TR]	humans know how to deal with it
[08:23]	DaemonFC	Since they don't commit to anything, people give up on it.
[08:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	or be REASONABLY certain of anything
[08:24]	schestowitz[TR]	look, it's a rat. no, it looks like a quirrel
[08:24]	schestowitz[TR]	"slown down a bit"
[08:24]	schestowitz[TR]	"give it a change to move
[08:24]	DaemonFC	At least the other streaming companies invest in franchises.
[08:24]	schestowitz[TR]	aurora cannot tell a plastic bag from an animal
[08:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	a wall walks into a bar
[08:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	the bartender is also a wall
[08:24]	schestowitz[TR]	 /change/schance/
[08:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	nothing happens
[08:24]	DaemonFC	House of Cards wasn't bad until they fired Kevin Spacey and tried to wrap it up without him by saying he died off screen.
[08:25]	DaemonFC	I like Kevin Spacey.
[08:25]	DaemonFC	You just want to, you know.
[08:25]	schestowitz[TR]	netflix wants to hiire mjg59_ 
[08:25]	schestowitz[TR]	also netflix:
[08:26]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2022-02-04/netflix-trans-employee-resigns-dave-chappelle
[08:26]	TR Bot	 Trans Netflix employee resigns over Chappelle controversy - Los Angeles Times
[08:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	netflix is useless and determined to destroy itself with bullshit
[08:26]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2022/may/25/ricky-gervais-netflix-special-condemned-by-lgbtq-groups-for-anti-trans-rants-masquerading-as-jokes
[08:26]	TR Bot	 Ricky Gervais Netflix special condemned by LGBTQ groups for anti-trans rants masquerading as jokes | Ricky Gervais | The Guardian
[08:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	the joke pretty much writes itself
[08:26]	DaemonFC	Nobody has actually even said that Spacey raped them as far as I am aware.
[08:26]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.newsweek.com/netflix-doubles-down-free-speech-trans-activists-vow-fight-1711221
[08:26]	TR Bot	 Netflix Doubles Down on 'Free Speech' as Trans Activists Vow to Fight On
[08:26]	schestowitz[TR]	netflxi suspended trans people
[08:26]	schestowitz[TR]	for trying to take control over editorial decisions
[08:26]	schestowitz[TR]	suspended its own staff
[08:26]	DaemonFC	His whole career was ruined by someone who said "He made an unwanted pass at me at a party 30 years ago.".
[08:26]	schestowitz[TR]	they caused issues from the inside
[08:26]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/18/22733098/netflix-trans-employees-demands-dave-chappelle-walkout
[08:26]	TR Bot	 Netflix trans employees and allies release a list of demands ahead of the walkout - The Verge
[08:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	ricky-gervais-netflix-special-condemned-by-lgbtq-groups-for-anti-trans-rants-masquerading-as-jokes <- i havent seen the special
[08:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	but my guess is that he told a bunch of jokes about trans people
[08:27]	schestowitz[TR]	that's disallowed
[08:27]	schestowitz[TR]	humour is bad
[08:27]	schestowitz[TR]	seinfeld is bad
[08:27]	DaemonFC	Netflix deserves to go under more than most of the rest of them.
[08:27]	schestowitz[TR]	it's like cosmo kramer now
[08:27]	DaemonFC	Seinfeld isn't humor.
[08:27]	schestowitz[TR]	kramer went on a bad tirade
[08:27]	schestowitz[TR]	not a mjoke
[08:27]	DaemonFC	Seinfeld is for idiots.
[08:27]	schestowitz[TR]	but now every joke about a race is treated this way
[08:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	to be fair, michael richards had a meltdown on stage because he couldnt handle his hecklers
[08:28]	schestowitz[TR]	in the 1990s we had such controversies too
[08:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	and this manifested as an extreme rant about black people
[08:28]	schestowitz[TR]	people accusing comerdians of offending people
[08:28]	schestowitz[TR]	but they carried on
[08:28]	DaemonFC	If you don't like the jokes, there's the door.
[08:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	this isnt an unfair portrayal of what happened to richard at all
[08:28]	schestowitz[TR]	now they get shows canceled
[08:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	and people lost interest in him
[08:28]	DaemonFC	If you don't like the jokes, turn off the TV or cancel your subscription.
[08:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	because they were disgusted
[08:29]	schestowitz[TR]	<highest_cubist_thrills> to be fair, michael richards had a meltdown on stage because he couldnt handle his hecklers
[08:29]	schestowitz[TR]	like rms in brazil
[08:29]	schestowitz[TR]	embarassing to watch
[08:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont doubt the jokes that gervais told were anti-trans
[08:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	people who understand autistic meltdowns would feel bad for rms in brazil
[08:29]	DaemonFC	Who cares?
[08:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	and some of the crowd actually understood
[08:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	they were trying to help
[08:30]	DaemonFC	Society has ways of dealing with people that are unpopular.
[08:30]	DaemonFC	It's called "shunning them".
[08:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	he had a whole speech in spanish
[08:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	and somehow no one had explained that spanish is NOT a suitable substitute for portuguese
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[08:30]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines How to Limit the Number of Connections in NGINX
[08:30]	DaemonFC	Eventually, nobody will listen to them if everyone agrees what they're saying is bad.
[08:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	was kuhn still the executive director then? just asking
[08:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont know what role the fsf plays in his speech events. some, i believe. they announce them at least
[08:31]	DaemonFC	Unfortunately, people like mjg59_ just want ISPs to disconnect people so nobody can listen if they want to.
[08:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	the fsf may not be to blame here.
[08:31]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR]: Yeah uh she's literally my neighbour
[08:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	so he got there with a speech
[08:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	and suddenly he realises
[08:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	he cant give the speech, because spanish isnt portuguese
[08:31]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR]: Spend Friday hanging out with her
[08:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	some people would just take the stress and disappointment
[08:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	he was there
[08:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	on stage
[08:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	and could not give the talk.
[08:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	isntead he had a meltdown
[08:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	again
[08:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	if you know anything about autism
[08:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	this is understandable
[08:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	people who know nothing about autism (or do not care) simply say its embarassing-- which is true...
[08:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	but signifies nothing
[08:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	its like saying "the sky was blue"
[08:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	well, thats not untrue
[08:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	but whats the point youre trying to make
[08:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	when autistic people are overwhelmed with stress they have meltdowns
[08:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	if michael richards was found to be autistic it might not save his comedy career
[08:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	but it should at least be considered
[08:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	maybe he cant pack clubs after that
[08:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	(this is not so with stallman btw)
[08:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	but maybe we dont look at his entire career as "that fucking racist cunt from seinfeld"
[08:35]	highest_cubist_thrills	btw, i think richards is probably a racist cunt
[08:35]	highest_cubist_thrills	but i liked his comedy up to that point
[08:35]	highest_cubist_thrills	id probably still like his comedy if there was anywhere for it to go from here
[08:35]	highest_cubist_thrills	i mean, maybe he could have learned something and decided to work on being a racist cunt or something
[08:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	a bit late in life and his career, but hes not dead
[08:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	its not like he went to a night club and murdered a bunch of people
[08:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	if you do that, "working on your racism" isnt going to redeem your comedy.
[08:37]	schestowitz[TR]	it's a fre espeech issue
[08:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	seinfeld wants to tell the equivalent of dad jokes and get the same respect he got when he was relevant
[08:37]	schestowitz[TR]	even if you observe racists
[08:37]	schestowitz[TR]	the idea is
[08:37]	schestowitz[TR]	the coup plotters enter this channel
[08:37]	schestowitz[TR]	look for the racist people
[08:38]	schestowitz[TR]	and then call that out in twitter
[08:38]	schestowitz[TR]	(someone in irc channel of) techrights said <this>
[08:38]	schestowitz[TR]	and that helps perpetuate some perception of them fighting for morality
[08:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats not untrue-- the free software movement has been replaced with thought police
[08:38]	schestowitz[TR]	when in nfact thet fight for censorship
[08:38]	schestowitz[TR]	they did the same to phoronix
[08:38]	schestowitz[TR]	by finding bigots in the phoronix forums
[08:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	but then again
[08:39]	schestowitz[TR]	and threatening phoronix for gaving a voice/space for people who call out the corporate takeover plotters
[08:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	you dont really fight the thought police
[08:39]	schestowitz[TR]	as larabel did years ago
[08:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	you just alternate between complaining they exist
[08:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	and then complaining that people are standing up to them
[08:39]	schestowitz[TR]	it starts with
[08:39]	schestowitz[TR]	"censor this"
[08:39]	schestowitz[TR]	"censor THIS person"
[08:39]	schestowitz[TR]	then they pick on the moderators
[08:40]	schestowitz[TR]	shaming them
[08:40]	schestowitz[TR]	dragging them through mud
[08:40]	schestowitz[TR]	until they compl;y
[08:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	yep, they do tht
[08:40]	schestowitz[TR]	the real solution is to not comply at all
[08:40]	schestowitz[TR]	don't give them any leeway
[08:40]	schestowitz[TR]	don't see "therapists"
[08:40]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR]: You *do* keep choosing to post articles written by a racist transphobe
[08:40]	schestowitz[TR]	you give them hunger
[08:40]	mjg59_	You could simply not do that
[08:40]	schestowitz[TR]	they salivate
[08:40]	schestowitz[TR]	then foam at the moiyuth
[08:40]	schestowitz[TR]	and try more and more
[08:40]	schestowitz[TR]	and they will NEVER be happy
[08:40]	schestowitz[TR]	because they are themselves miserable human beings
[08:41]	mjg59_	Actually pretty happy right now tbh
[08:41]	schestowitz[TR]	you have just made my point
[08:41]	schestowitz[TR]	you say DaemonFC has no rights to speech
[08:41]	schestowitz[TR]	or to platform
[08:41]	schestowitz[TR]	on TECHNICAL issues
[08:41]	schestowitz[TR]	I onyl respost him on etchnical things
[08:41]	mjg59_	If he has the right to a platform on techrights.org, why don't I?
[08:41]	schestowitz[TR]	but you say I should not
[08:41]	schestowitz[TR]	DaemonFC is to you persona non grata
[08:41]	schestowitz[TR]	and anyone you don't fancy
[08:41]	schestowitz[TR]	you are a dfictator
[08:41]	schestowitz[TR]	and you cannot realise this
[08:42]	schestowitz[TR]	I never said deeploatform x y z from platform
[08:42]	schestowitz[TR]	I can respond to them
[08:42]	schestowitz[TR]	ridicule them
[08:42]	mjg59_	Plenty of technical stuff I write that you could repost
[08:42]	schestowitz[TR]	you asre a dick-tator
[08:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	<mjg59_> schestowitz[TR]: You *do* keep choosing to post articles written by a racist transphobe <mjg59_> You could simply not do that < shouldnt he stop posting about red hat too then?
[08:42]	DaemonFC	I don't recall writing anything "transphobic" on my blog.
[08:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	i mean i dont like dfcs transphobia or his backwards stance on what really amounts to eugenics
[08:42]	schestowitz[TR]	red hat (ibm)  helped hitler gas trans people
[08:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	but when will ibm be held accountable
[08:43]	schestowitz[TR]	you took salaries from them,
[08:43]	schestowitz[TR]	for $100,000+ per year!
[08:43]	schestowitz[TR]	nice "warrior"
[08:43]	schestowitz[TR]	whose?
[08:43]	mjg59_	Nah pretty sure my salary was never that high
[08:43]	DaemonFC	mjg59_: I did recently write about how the Democrats in Illinois will effectively repeal all of the police reforms in the Safe-T Act if their "Workers Rights Amendment" passes.
[08:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	im pretty sure mjg uses github too
[08:43]	DaemonFC	The police union will simply demand a new contract that omits everything the Safe-T Act requires of them.
[08:43]	mjg59_	And at the time RH didn't own IBM
[08:44]	mjg59_	Er, other way around
[08:44]	DaemonFC	Then that'll be the end of the Safe-T Act.
[08:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	why is github allowed, and even used as a platform
[08:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	but dfc must be censored
[08:44]	schestowitz[TR]	biab
[08:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont get how the standards work here
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[08:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	<mjg59_> You could simply not do that <- its clearly not simple
[08:44]	DaemonFC	mjg59_supports people who help ICE murder immigrants and then bashes me.
[08:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	its either VERY VERY complex, or conveniently arbitrary
[08:44]	DaemonFC	Because I said Keith doesn't look good with lipstick.
[08:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	and reasonable people dont LIKE That, because its NOT reasonable
[08:44]	DaemonFC	:)
[08:44]	DaemonFC	Could he get any better?
[08:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	you can stop reading dfc if you dont like him
[08:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	THAT actually IS simple
[08:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	its what i do
[08:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	and you can work to cancel people you dont like
[08:45]	TR News	"Every operating system needs a way to install third party applications." https://klarasystems.com/articles/a-quick-look-at-the-history-of-package-management-on-freebsd/ | Source: Klara
[08:45]	TR Bot	 A Quick Look at the History of Package Management on FreeBSD - Klara Inc.
[08:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	which im not 100% against in theory
[08:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	in practice its a giant pile of shit
[08:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	but in theory...
[08:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	but even if you do that
[08:45]	mjg59_	I'm not saying Ryan shouldn't have his own blog
[08:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	im not saying github should be literally nuked from orbit
[08:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	but why do people use it
[08:45]	DaemonFC	mjg59_: Quit supporting companies that have contracts with ICE.
[08:45]	DaemonFC	You racist.
[08:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	also, if ryan is allowed his own blog
[08:45]	DaemonFC	Immigrant basher.
[08:46]	DaemonFC	See how that works?
[08:46]	mjg59_	I'm just saying that if you keep posting content written by an openly racist transphobe then it's legitimate to ask why he's given special treatment
[08:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	why is roy not BY EXTENSTION allowed to mirror relevant articles from it/
[08:46]	mjg59_	Oh yeah he's definitely allowed to
[08:46]	TR News	"Arduino IDE 2.0 brings a number of improvements to the original IDE" https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/use-arduino-ide-2 | Source: Tom's Hardware
[08:46]	TR Bot	 How To Use The New Arduino IDE 2.0 | Tom's Hardware
[08:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	 then it's legitimate to ask why he's given special treatment <- i agree.
[08:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	but where is the special treatment?
[08:46]	mjg59_	But when he chooses to mirror relevant articles from there but not from elsewhere?
[08:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	well he decides whats relevant
[08:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	along lines i dont agree with
[08:47]	DaemonFC	mjg59_: What have you actually done to help anyone but yourself?
[08:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	but nonetheless its his blog
[08:47]	TR News	"The White House today released a regulatory framework designed to address risks in the cryptocurrency ecosystem" https://siliconangle.com/2022/09/16/white-house-releases-framework-regulating-digital-assets/ | Source: Silicon Angle
[08:47]	TR Bot	House releases framework for regulating digital assets - SiliconANGLE
[08:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	i mean techrights
[08:47]	mjg59_	Yeah, it's definitely his space
[08:47]	mjg59_	He has the right to do whatever he wants there
[08:47]	DaemonFC	I've worked for decades to help Immigrants even at my own personal expense when I had about $100 in the bank maybe.
[08:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	he trusts dfc
[08:47]	mjg59_	But he doesn't have the right to argue he shouldn't be criticised for some of his choices
[08:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	he doesnt trust you
[08:47]	schestowitz[TR]	<mjg59_> I'm not saying Ryan shouldn't have his own blog
[08:48]	schestowitz[TR]	you did
[08:48]	mjg59_	Where?
[08:48]	schestowitz[TR]	you said I should not have him as guest author
[08:48]	schestowitz[TR]	you said you became us citizen
[08:48]	schestowitz[TR]	read about first am.
[08:48]	mjg59_	He'd still have his own blog if you didn't have him as a guest author
[08:48]	schestowitz[TR]	i repost technical articles
[08:48]	schestowitz[TR]	you want to deprive him of that
[08:49]	DaemonFC	mjg59_: You could always lobby Roy's ISP to cancel him, or have a paralegal write more threats.
[08:49]	TR News	"[Cryptocurrency]-assets are digital assets that are implemented using cryptographic techniques." https://www.whitehouse.gov/ostp/news-updates/2022/09/08/fact-sheet-climate-and-energy-implications-of-crypto-assets-in-the-united-states/ | Source: USA
[08:49]	TR Bot	 FACT SHEET: Climate and Energy Implications of Crypto-Assets in the United States - The White House
[08:49]	mjg59_	Why do you not repost my technical articles?
[08:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	roy imo has the same rights on roys blog that dfc has on dfcs blog
[08:49]	mjg59_	You have the right not to do so
[08:49]	TR News	"The new system will use 99.95% less energy, according to the Ethereum Foundation." https://www.reuters.com/technology/ethereum-blockchain-has-completed-major-software-upgrade-co-founder-says-2022-09-15/ | Source: Reuters
[08:49]	TR Bot	blockchain slashes energy use with 'Merge' software upgrade | Reuters
[08:49]	mjg59_	There's no obligation
[08:49]	schestowitz[TR]	<DaemonFC> mjg59_: You could always lobby Roy's ISP to cancel hi
[08:49]	schestowitz[TR]	or lobby my webhost
[08:49]	schestowitz[TR]	(already done)
[08:50]	mjg59_	But why would refusing to re-post Ryan's blog be a free speech issue when you already fail to re-post mine?
[08:50]	schestowitz[TR]	<mjg59_> Why do you not repost my technical articles?
[08:50]	schestowitz[TR]	bad track rtecord
[08:50]	schestowitz[TR]	you lie a lot
[08:50]	schestowitz[TR]	like you did about uefi
[08:50]	schestowitz[TR]	I don't shitpost
[08:50]	schestowitz[TR]	techrights has quality control
[08:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	i wouldnt go that far
[08:50]	DaemonFC	mjg59_  just goes straight for the hosting company or ISP because he's a malicious motherfucker.
[08:50]	mjg59_	And reposting stuff written by a transphobe meets your quality control?
[08:50]	DaemonFC	He doesn't believe in free speech. He wants the Web to be like Reddit.
[08:51]	mjg59_	I mean, if so, that's fair! I disagree, but it's your space
[08:51]	schestowitz[TR]	mjg59_: you worked for fucking nazis
[08:51]	mjg59_	When?
[08:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	why is it okay for dfc to post to a blog
[08:51]	DaemonFC	Every time you look at Reddit, it says "this was deleted" "that person was suspended".
[08:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	but not okay for roy to repost it
[08:51]	schestowitz[TR]	I don't repost for people who enable genocide, sorry
[08:51]	DaemonFC	And then nothing indexed it, so it's like, "Why even waste time there?".
[08:51]	mjg59_	You realise that IBM bought Red Hat over 5 years after I left, right
[08:51]	schestowitz[TR]	<DaemonFC> Every time you look at Reddit, it says "this was deleted" "that person was suspended".
[08:51]	schestowitz[TR]	they have excuses
[08:51]	schestowitz[TR]	for banning links to sites like techrights
[08:51]	schestowitz[TR]	thewy lie about it beiong "inaccurate"
[08:51]	schestowitz[TR]	or something to that effect
[08:52]	schestowitz[TR]	and then lobbyists from ibm put pressure
[08:52]	schestowitz[TR]	hacker news also
[08:52]	schestowitz[TR]	same shit
[08:52]	DaemonFC	Libera Chat can't permanently ban me.
[08:52]	schestowitz[TR]	they always have censorship tricks up their sleeve
[08:52]	DaemonFC	They can ban me all they want, but like, they can't make it stick.
[08:52]	schestowitz[TR]	and mjg59_  fancies himself "cancel general"
[08:52]	DaemonFC	Matrix.org went on a spree a while back where they banned me like 7 times and then gave up.
[08:52]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR]: When did I work for nazis?
[08:53]	TR News	"bo Akademi political science professor Kim Strandberg, who will serve as Haukio's opponent, took to Twitter to share the news." https://yle.fi/news/3-12628792 | Source: YLE
[08:53]	TR Bot	 First lady to defend doctoral thesis | News | Yle Uutiset
[08:53]	TR News	Twitter = foreign interference/Misinformation https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/18/us/womens-march-russia-trump.html | Source: New York Times
[08:53]	TR Bot	 How Russian Trolls Helped Keep the Womens March Out of Lock Step - The New York Times
[08:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	technically you work for them now
[08:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	its just pro bono
[08:54]	DaemonFC	There's other home servers, but they're not all that reliable.
[08:54]	TR News	DRM, losses, and worse: Spotify steals from artists https://pluralistic.net/2022/09/12/streaming-doesnt-pay/#stunt-publishing | Source: CoryDoctorow
[08:54]	TR Bot	 Pluralistic: 12 Sep 2022 Spotify is a ripoff, a Spotify exclusive Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow
[08:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	now, this is not a statement of fact. its a joke that is dangerously close to the truth
[08:54]	DaemonFC	Matrix.org and Element are malicious software.
[08:55]	DaemonFC	They keep taking working Web Standards compliant code and kerjiggering it into something that uses Chrome shit.
[08:55]	TR News	[Old] "The remote attestation protocol proposed by IBM [3] is vulnerable to Man-In-The-Middle attack." https://seclab.stanford.edu/pcl/cs259/projects/cs259_final_lavina_jayesh/CS259_report_lavina_jayesh.pdf |
[08:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	collective guilt obviously applies to everyone but those who wield it.
[08:55]	DaemonFC	And then it won't work in SeaMonkey anymore properly.
[08:55]	DaemonFC	I managed to fake my way past their browser sniffer.
[08:55]	DaemonFC	It mostly works.
[08:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	or your guilt here would not be worth disputing
[08:56]	DaemonFC	It's probably Travis or Matthew again.
[08:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	roy does not work for dfc
[08:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	but he clearly works with him
[08:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	albeit in a capacity that is pro bono
[08:56]	mjg59_	I genuinely try to do what I think is best for the wider community
[08:56]	DaemonFC	Fuck off.
[08:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	maybe roy does too
[08:56]	mjg59_	Sometimes other people might benefit as a result
[08:57]	DaemonFC	mjg59_: The Microsoft community, maybe.
[08:57]	mjg59_	Oh yeah I absolutely do not doubt Roy's sincerity
[08:57]	DaemonFC	Did someone there ask you to go on a tear about me again?
[08:57]	mjg59_	I think he's wrong, but I think he's sincere
[08:58]	mjg59_	So, in the same way Roy spends a bunch of time trying to convince me I'm wrong, I'll do the opposite
[08:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	you can say that again and again again
[08:58]	mjg59_	But literally nobody is paying me to do so
[08:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	no one pays him either
[08:59]	schestowitz[TR]	you try to re-establish credibility
[08:59]	schestowitz[TR]	that's why you come to a network
[08:59]	mjg59_	Right! There doesn't need to be a sinister paymaster behind the scenes for people to be opinionated
[08:59]	schestowitz[TR]	as a hostile person
[08:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 17.66 k/sec., IPFS upstream 89.91 average k/sec., average swarm size 130.83
[08:59]	schestowitz[TR]	in a network where you know that nobody welcomes you
[08:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	There doesn't need to be a sinister paymaster <- but we know there is one anyway
[08:59]	schestowitz[TR]	you are like a sick stalker
[08:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	just they might not be paying you anything
[08:59]	schestowitz[TR]	and anyone would judge that as such
● Sep 19
[09:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	i think its obviously youre happy to do this sort of thing pro bono
[09:00]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR]: You keep posting about me - does that make you a sick stalker?
[09:00]	schestowitz[TR]	mjg59_ = libels Torvalds, gets him sent to therapists (projection), then asks him how it went
[09:00]	schestowitz[TR]	did the same to rms
[09:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	i would never suggest that you require payment to do this
[09:00]	schestowitz[TR]	he and his ilk
[09:00]	schestowitz[TR]	SFC/Sharp
[09:01]	schestowitz[TR]	abusing people
[09:01]	schestowitz[TR]	trying to bully them by digital means
[09:01]	schestowitz[TR]	and then plaaying "victim"
[09:01]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR]: Or does it mean that you disagree with me on certain matters and want to express that?
[09:01]	schestowitz[TR]	"CODE HAS FEELINGS TOO!!"
[09:01]	TR News	Monopolies https://doctorow.medium.com/structural-adjustment-fded18104bbe | Source: Cory Doctorow
[09:01]	TR Bot	 Structural Adjustment. Forthcoming in the November, 2022 issue | by Cory Doctorow | Sep, 2022 | Medium
[09:01]	mjg59_	I could just disagree with you elsewhere, but doing it here means we have the opportunity to have a real-time conversation and maybe understand each other better
[09:02]	schestowitz[TR]	your work on acpi was ghood
[09:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	and maybe understand each other better <- years of evidence suggest otherwise
[09:02]	mjg59_	I'm not sure how this amounts to stalking
[09:02]	schestowitz[TR]	but you tries to take shortcuts
[09:02]	schestowitz[TR]	by serving Microsoft
[09:02]	schestowitz[TR]	and attacking people above you
[09:02]	mjg59_	highest_cubist_thrills: I do genuinely understand Roy better now!
[09:02]	schestowitz[TR]	and now you got your palms burned
[09:02]	TR News	[Old] "Thats the story of how we got here. Now lets talk about where were going" https://locusmag.com/2021/07/cory-doctorow-tech-monopolies-and-the-insufficient-necessity-of-interoperability/ | Source: Locus Magazine
[09:02]	TR Bot	 Cory Doctorow: Tech Monopolies and the Insufficient Necessity of Interoperability Locus Online
[09:02]	TR News	[Old] "They just moved from platforms to protocols, switching to increasingly decentralized systems" https://gizmodo.com/cory-doctorow-copyright-laws-tech-antitrust-1849376858 | Source: Gizmodo
[09:02]	TR Bot	 Cory Doctorow On 20 Years Of Copyright Wars
[09:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	I do genuinely understand Roy better now! <- perhaps, but i do not think it shows
[09:03]	TR News	"Internet" Decentralized https://creativecommons.org/2022/09/18/better-internet-for-a-decentralized-web-conversations-from-camp/ | Source: Creative Commons
[09:03]	TR Bot	 Better Internet for a Decentralized Web: Conversations from Camp - Creative Commons
[09:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	ive tried to help with that-- it didnt work, i wasnt surprised, and accepting my help was never required (or expected)
[09:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	even if you accepted it, i doubt it would work
[09:04]	schestowitz[TR]	people wish to be left along by "career mob"
[09:04]	schestowitz[TR]	I'd rather focus on tuxmachines and stuff
[09:04]	schestowitz[TR]	than waste time arguing with a malicious, hostile person in irc
[09:04]	mjg59_	And yet you keep reposting matieral written by a racist transphobe
[09:04]	schestowitz[TR]	who exploits our free speech policy for time-wasting
[09:05]	TR News	QAnon = Disinformation https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/19/erasing-qanon-fascism-a-case-study-in-black-comedy/ | Source: Counter Punch
[09:05]	TR Bot	QAnon Fascism: A Case Study in Black Comedy - CounterPunch.org
[09:05]	DaemonFC	(03:04:36 AM) mjg59_: And yet you keep reposting matieral written by a racist transphobe
[09:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	And yet you keep reposting matieral written by a racist transphobe <- again, what is the point of saying this
[09:05]		*DaemonFC leaves mjg59_ in South Chicago at 3 AM. He's not racist so it should be just fine.
[09:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	what is the significance of him reposting dfc
[09:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	while others repost ibm?
[09:05]	TR News	Shannonwatch https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/19/the-roar-of-a-u-s-warplane-over-a-civilian-irish-airport/ | Source: Counter Punch
[09:05]	TR Bot	Roar of a U.S. Warplane Over a Civilian Irish Airport - CounterPunch.org
[09:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	ibm is SURELY MUCH WORSE than dfc by any reasonable evaluation
[09:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	2019: stallman does not speak for free software
[09:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	2022: but if ibm does thats okay
[09:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	according to edwin black, ibm did not merely PARTICIPATE in the holocaust of millions
[09:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	they ORCHESTRATED IT for sheer profit
[09:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	he goes so far as to say without ibm, hitler could have only killed "hundreds of thousands"
[09:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	which is still terrible
[09:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	obviously
[09:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	but saying its better than killing millions is not hate speech, no matter how oversimplified it is
[09:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	it puts ibm as responsible for MOST of the holocaust
[09:08]	DaemonFC	mjg59_ only thinks I'm racist because he hasn't had a gun shoved in his face.
[09:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	but dfc is a dick
[09:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	ergo, lets stop reposting dfc
[09:08]	DaemonFC	Maybe if he had, like I have, he'd shut his stupid fucking mouth for a change.
[09:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	and promote ibm instead
[09:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont understand this logic
[09:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	nor do i believe it is remotely an unfair way to frame this
[09:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	war criminals: okay, racists NOT OKAY seems to be the order of the day
[09:10]	DaemonFC	After I had the gun shoved in my face, I resolved that it was not going to happen again and started carrying.
[09:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	and ironically, we are all expecte to Just Follow Orders
[09:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	imo that kind of thinking is just bad shit waiting to happen
[09:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	who knows 
[09:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	cancel ibm
[09:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	then lets talk
[09:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	because they are literally hitler
[09:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	and no one gives a shit how many people repost literally hitler
[09:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont like dfc, but hes not as bad as ibm
[09:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	i have an answer to all this
[09:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	its scapegoating
[09:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	people want to offer dfc as a sacrifice
[09:11]	DaemonFC	I have an answer to this too.
[09:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	in hopes that somehow ibm will suffer
[09:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	i have a better idea
[09:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	cancel ibm first.
[09:12]	DaemonFC	Make Matthew Garrett go walking through South Chicago around this time of night.
[09:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	my stance on drugs is the same
[09:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	go after the big players, leave people smoking pot at home alone.
[09:12]	DaemonFC	They'll say "What's the matter? Did you get lost?" and then they'll mug him and maybe they'll dump him in the garbage when they're done.
[09:12]	DaemonFC	Because that's how they are down there.
[09:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	if you want a war on drugs, you get a mess but no progress
[09:13]		*DaemonFC (~DaemonFC@zx4r4gr9htgby.irc) has left #techrights (Leaving.)
[09:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	in fairness, i think things have improved (a bit) as far as transphobia goes
[09:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	but the free software movement, which was never fundamentally transphobic (on the contrary) was destroyed
[09:14]	TR News	"I have a friend in Bellingham WA who does IT for Microsoft during the winter and works the cannery boats during the summer 'cause the boats pay better!" https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/09/15/062201#1272003
[09:14]	TR Bot	 Solar Foods Wants to Replace Industrial Animal Farming With a High-Tech Protein Harvest - SoylentNews
[09:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	like so many cases of mistaken identity in the drug war
[09:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	find drug house, riddle it with bullets
[09:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	oh, sorry family of 5! wrong house!
[09:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	oops
[09:14]	TR News	"There is lots more information in the quoted link. [JR] If you are an Arduino user, or any other single board computer, what do you use them for? Care to share some of your stories?" https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/09/15/0639246
[09:14]	TR Bot	 Enhancements to Arduino IDE - SoylentNews
[09:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	well, we have to fight the drug war
[09:14]	TR News	Criticism intensifies after big oil admits gaslighting public over green aims | Climate crisis | The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/sep/17/oil-companies-exxonmobil-chevron-shell-bp-climate-crisis Source: The Guardian UK | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/sep/17/oil-companies-exxonmobil-chevron-shell-bp-climate-crisis
[09:14]	TR Bot	 Criticism intensifies after big oil admits gaslighting public over green aims | Climate crisis | The Guardian
[09:15]	TR News	GMO propaganda, using STRAW MAN arguments https://www.inkl.com/news/who-s-afraid-of-gene-edited-crops/BaJMPLTlWbl patents, cancer etc. off the table? Are critics just "paranoid"?
[09:15]	TR Bot	 Whos Afraid of Gene-Edited Crops?
[09:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	people who support cancel culture remind me so much of people who think the death penalty is helpful
[09:16]	TR News	"In the wake of the Hotfile lawsuit, the Motion Picture Association asked the court to keep some anti-piracy information forever out of the public eye." https://torrentfreak.com/unsealed-court-records-unveil-columbia-pictures-timeless-anti-piracy-secrets-220918/ | Source: Torrent Freak
[09:16]	TR Bot	Court Records Unveil Columbia Pictures' 'Timeless' Anti-Piracy Secrets * TorrentFreak
[09:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	funnily enough dfc is a member of the latter group
[09:16]	geert	https://www.entremundos.org/revista/women/micromachismos-another-type-of-violence-against-women/?lang=en
[09:16]	TR News	"New research shared by the entertainment industry-backed Digital Citizens Alliance finds that 12% of all ads on pirate streaming sites are linked to malware." https://torrentfreak.com/piracy-advertising-researchers-fall-victim-to-ransomware-attacks/ | Source: Torrent Freak
[09:16]	TR Bot	 MicroMachismos: Another Type of Violence against Women | EntreMundos
[09:16]	TR Bot	Advertising Researchers Fall Victim to Ransomware Attacks * TorrentFreak
[09:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	he doesnt appreciate that the death penalty and cancel culture are practically identical in their stupidity
[09:17]	schestowitz[TR]	highest_cubist_thrills: I know you are aware of the differences
[09:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	of course
[09:17]	schestowitz[TR]	but one that comes to mind is, one group does something illegal
[09:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	cancel culture RARELY literally kills people
[09:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	but its happened before
[09:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	and tbh, the death penalty probably kills fewer people than ever
[09:17]	schestowitz[TR]	and usually very reprehensible like mass murder
[09:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	but only because so many countries have stopped practicing it
[09:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	ibm is guilty of mass murder
[09:18]	schestowitz[TR]	Uk reconsiders
[09:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	one of the most high profile cases in the history of civilisation
[09:18]	schestowitz[TR]	in the opposite direction
[09:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	uk does a lot of stupid things
[09:18]	TR News	Solar Flare https://hackaday.com/2022/09/18/solar-flare-quiets-a-quarter-of-the-globe/ | Source: Hackaday
[09:18]	TR Bot	Flare Quiets A Quarter Of The Globe | Hackaday
[09:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	both cancel culture and the death penalty are barbaric-- and sloppy
[09:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	not necessarily to the same degree
[09:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	but the defenses are similar in their wishful, and vengeful thinking
[09:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	in a world of facts we would have better things to do
[09:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	we have never lived in a world of facts
[09:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	but we can try to imagine one
[09:19]	schestowitz[TR]	death penalty in us misses the mark
[09:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-18.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-19.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[09:20]	schestowitz[TR]	many lack health coverage
[09:20]	schestowitz[TR]	so have nothing to lose
[09:20]	schestowitz[TR]	so do something very very horrible
[09:20]	schestowitz[TR]	and then you ssay
[09:20]	schestowitz[TR]	"but welle xcute you"
[09:20]	schestowitz[TR]	like they care
[09:20]	schestowitz[TR]	they were there before
[09:20]	schestowitz[TR]	helpless enough to die from illness
[09:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	i think youve tied together two things
[09:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	and then implied a causal relationship
[09:21]	schestowitz[TR]	right
[09:21]	schestowitz[TR]	possible
[09:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	when you can go elsewhere and find similar results, where that relationship does not exist
[09:21]	TR News	UK under Liz Trump and Brexitnaro https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/19/why-our-electricity-prices-cant-be-left-to-bogus-free-markets/ | Source: Counter Punch
[09:21]	TR Bot	Our Electricity Prices Cant Be Left to Bogus Free Markets - CounterPunch.org
[09:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	you would have probably been more accurate if youd looked at racism rather than healthcare
[09:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	either way, the death penalty is stupid
[09:22]	TR News	UK monarchy has two heads: parties and the Crown. PM: "She was voted in, in a country of around 69 million people, by 81,326 (57.4% of the total gaggle)" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/19/uk-fragmentation-and-decline-under-conservative-rule/ | Source: Counter Punch
[09:22]	TR Bot	Fragmentation and Decline Under Conservative Rule - CounterPunch.org
[09:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	so is cancel culture
[09:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	for similar reasons
[09:23]	TR News	China has 'won' https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/19/china-is-the-worlds-largest-economy-get-over-it/ | Source: Counter Punch
[09:23]	TR Bot	is the Worlds Largest Economy: Get Over It - CounterPunch.org
[09:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	a lot of people only supposed the death penalty because they think lethal injection is like taking a nap
[09:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	not burning or suffocating (or both)
[09:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	hanging is nasty, other methods are gruesome
[09:23]	schestowitz[TR]	it's expensive too
[09:23]	schestowitz[TR]	the excuttions are epxnesive
[09:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	lethal injection is like going to sleep! (they believe)
[09:23]	schestowitz[TR]	inc. the legal process needed to reach them
[09:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	so they support it because they think its not barbaric
[09:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	similarly
[09:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	a lot of people who support cancel culture
[09:24]	schestowitz[TR]	"humane gas"
[09:24]	schestowitz[TR]	look it up
[09:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	do not believe it is a form of collective torture
[09:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	that it is barbaric or sloppy
[09:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	they mistake mobs for democracy
[09:24]	schestowitz[TR]	btw, us killed people in gas chambers until the 1970s iirc
[09:24]	schestowitz[TR]	their pilot was in europe, I suppose
[09:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	yeah i dont know who made them
[09:24]	schestowitz[TR]	with their "humane gas"
[09:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	was it ge?
[09:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	also there are 50 states and i think very few used the gas chamber. im sure its more than one but i only know of california
[09:25]	schestowitz[TR]	not sure
[09:25]	schestowitz[TR]	i remmeber reading about the business of lethal injections
[09:25]	schestowitz[TR]	some firms make a killing off it
[09:25]	schestowitz[TR]	patents, I suppose
[09:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	haha
[09:25]	schestowitz[TR]	anyway, the us decided ga chambers were not fashionable anymore
[09:26]	schestowitz[TR]	and the same with denying women the right to vote
[09:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	people dont think cancel culture is disproportionate or cruel
[09:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	theyre either naive or sociopathic
[09:26]	TR News	"She didnt have the money to finish repairs on the home, which she couldnt afford to insure" https://www.propublica.org/article/lake-charles-waits-years-for-long-term-federal-aid | Source: Pro Publica
[09:26]	TR Bot	 Lake Charles Still Waits for Long-Term Disaster Aid ProPublica
[09:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	the naive dont know any better, and the sociopaths dont care either way
[09:27]	TR News	More blackouts... because the country doesn't give a crap about the poor https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/18/first-hit-privatization-puerto-rico-total-blackout-fiona-makes-landfall | Source: Common Dreams
[09:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	needless to say cancel culture draws in a lot of sociopaths
[09:27]	TR Bot	 First Hit by Privatization, Puerto Rico in 'Total Blackout' as Fiona Makes Landfall
[09:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	gives them an advantage in running things like the fsf...
[09:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	or lieplanet, which runs the fsf
[09:27]	schestowitz[TR]	<highest_cubist_thrills> needless to say cancel culture draws in a lot of sociopaths 
[09:27]	schestowitz[TR]	they get a thrill
[09:27]	schestowitz[TR]	shrill
[09:27]	schestowitz[TR]	post some lies
[09:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	it also preys on the naive
[09:27]	schestowitz[TR]	like a sign on a door
[09:27]	schestowitz[TR]	and wait for outcome of the brigade
[09:27]	schestowitz[TR]	get rewarded in twitter "likes"
[09:27]	schestowitz[TR]	80% of tem from Russian bots ;-)
[09:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	a system of justice that rewards sociopaths disproportionately and preys on the naive
[09:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	probably shouldnt be referred to as "justice" at all
[09:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	more like "sadism for an alleged good cause"
[09:28]	TR News	"PyLint is actually good!" https://opensource.com/article/22/9/pylint-good-bad-ugly | Source: OpenSource.com
[09:28]	TR Bot	The good, the bad, and the ugly | Opensource.com
[09:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	sometimes the cause is good
[09:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	only the methods are bullshit
[09:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	stopping murder is good
[09:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	the death penalty may stop a few from murdering again
[09:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	it also murders a few itself
[09:30]	TR News	"While useful in managing your system, the command line is fraught with risks." https://www.tecmint.com/dangerous-linux-commands/ | Source: TecMint
[09:30]	TR Bot	 Most Dangerous Commands - You Should Never Execute on Linux
[09:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	its also barbaric
[09:31]	TR News	"Even how to gain Linux driver functionality will be taught to you!" https://linuxtechlab.com/how-to-get-started-with-linux-a-beginners-guide/ | Source: LinuxTechLab
[09:31]	TR Bot	To Get Started With Linux: A Beginner's Guide - LinuxTechLab
[09:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	but seriously, when i hear arguments from death penalty advocates
[09:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	and cancel culture advocates
[09:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	the stakes may be higher with one than the other
[09:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	but the arguments sound roughly the same
[09:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	theyre trying to END a person
[09:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	simply by different degrees
[09:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	it doesnt really matter to them how many innocents suffer from it
[09:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	but they will still play that angle in hopes of getting to do more of it
[09:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	they say its to stop murder or bigotry
[09:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	but it doesnt really do that
[09:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	imo education has done far more to stop bigotry
[09:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	maybe a small percentage of cancel culture and even rioting has helped
[09:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	so if a small percentage of it is actually needed
[09:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	then whatever, really
[09:35]	highest_cubist_thrills	but thats a big if imo
[09:35]	highest_cubist_thrills	and a large percentage is definitely doing far more harm than good
[09:35]	TR News	"someone suggested that having employers be able to restrict keys to machines they control is a bad thing. So here's why I think Bring Your Own Device (BYOD) scenarios are bad not only for employers, but also for users." Biologist pretends to be security guru again. Imposter. https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/61089.html
[09:35]	TR Bot	 mjg59 | Bring Your Own Disaster
[09:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	if a small percentage of it is actually needed <- this would be needed, HYPOTHETICALLY
[09:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	to get the opportunity to even educate the public
[09:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	what i mean is
[09:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	it takes a shitload of fucking with people
[09:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	to try to control everything they say
[09:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	sometimes it does take a little bit of fucking with people
[09:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	to get to speak for a cause that no one cared about before
[09:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	so like if they had to shake shit up at nbc or something
[09:37]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR]: And yet you talk about free software without having a degree in free software. Interesting.
[09:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	and take down a few hypocrites with cancel culture tactics
[09:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	if thats really necessary, i wouldnt care.
[09:38]	TR News	x supports free software. x also supports corporations controlling all the workers' devices, i.e. no freedom at all.
[09:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	then once they have the platform they can use it to discuss rights that "no one" cared about before
[09:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	but i do think education played most of the ACTUAL heroics
[09:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	and censorship did very little to help
[09:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	they crow about its successes
[09:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	but people crow about mass surveillance too
[09:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	its illegal and no one can prove it works
[09:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	doesnt stop people from saying "FUCK YEAH! WE SPEND MORE THAN THE REST OF THE WORLD ON THAT!"
[09:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	and it does very little
[09:40]	TR News	Free software advocates: people should be in control of devices, not the other way around. Suckers to corporate money: corporations own their staff "100% of the time".
[09:40]	mjg59_	Users should be in control of their devices. Employers should be in control of their devices.
[09:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	its nearly that simple, maybe
[09:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	but there are obviously examples where that formula wont fly
[09:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	i mean
[09:41]	mjg59_	Users should never be forced to let employers control the user's device.
[09:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	employers own the toilets, they clearly have no right to put cameras in the toilets
[09:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	there are less absurd examples, but i think thats a reasonable place to start
[09:42]	mjg59_	Yeah, but that's something where we can actually draw meaningful boundaries
[09:42]	mjg59_	We know that when a user enters a bathroom, they're doing so with an expectation of privacy
[09:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	im against the sort of monitoring and conditioning amazon and ups use on their warehouse people and delivery people respectively
[09:42]	mjg59_	When a user enters a URL into a browser, we have no idea what their intent is
[09:43]	mjg59_	And the easiest way to solve that is to have two devices
[09:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	sadly
[09:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	its wasteful but it solves something
[09:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	you can end up with 3 phones that way
[09:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	work phone, personal work phone, actual personal phone
[09:43]	mjg59_	But the other thing is what happens if you *do* get hacked
[09:44]	TR News	UPDATE: Kernel prepatch 6.0-rc6 [LWN.net] https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Linux_6_0_rc6.shtml
[09:44]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Linux 6.0-rc6 (UPDATED)
[09:44]	mjg59_	Your security team probably wants to look at what happened on the device
[09:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	of course
[09:44]	TR News	The above video and the latest IRS filing reveal that 'splinter group' SFC is increasingly about money (F for finance) instead of freedom http://techrights.org/2022/09/19/sfc-salaries/
[09:44]	mjg59_	But if it's your personal laptop that has all your existing login sessions, you don't want to hand it over
[09:44]	TR Bot	 Free as in Finance/Money: Salary of SFCs Chief Rose to $216,000 Per Year ($18,000 Per Month), or More Than Twice the FSFs Chief | Techrights
[09:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	from their pov thats completely reasonable
[09:44]	mjg59_	And that's bad for everyone
[09:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	right from the users pov that too is reasonable
[09:44]	schestowitz[TR]	i will do a video on this topic later
[09:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	should be amusing
[09:45]	schestowitz[TR]	yesterday went went past the royal eye hsopital
[09:45]	schestowitz[TR]	where I had given a talk to the staff... on security
[09:45]	schestowitz[TR]	when I was 22
[09:45]	mjg59_	So yeah there's an argument that it's wasteful
[09:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	it is wasteful
[09:45]	schestowitz[TR]	you are no sf advocate
[09:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	maybe its the best idea we have
[09:45]	schestowitz[TR]	you are a phony basically
[09:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	but its unquestionably wasteful
[09:45]	mjg59_	But if you give someone a laptop and say "This belongs to us, use it for work, we can see what you do when you're using it" then that means people know to do their personal stuff on another laptop
[09:46]	schestowitz[TR]	<mjg59_> Your security team probably wants to look at what happened on the device
[09:46]	schestowitz[TR]	and impose WINDOSWS on it
[09:46]	schestowitz[TR]	for "forensics"
[09:46]	mjg59_	?
[09:46]	schestowitz[TR]	you miss the point totally and entirely
[09:46]	mjg59_	Er
[09:46]	schestowitz[TR]	you would also advocate proctoring and reootkits
[09:46]	schestowitz[TR]	for "security"
[09:46]	schestowitz[TR]	we need to spy on everything
[09:46]	schestowitz[TR]	for "security"
[09:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	his point would still apply in a world with only one operating system
[09:46]	schestowitz[TR]	 you are like NSA
[09:47]	mjg59_	I've just been pretty clear that it's inappropriate to impose stuff on a user's own machine
[09:47]	schestowitz[TR]	I will do a video rebuttal later
[09:47]	schestowitz[TR]	this is like the ISO lunacy
[09:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	rebuttal of what
[09:47]	schestowitz[TR]	"security" certs (toilet paper)
[09:47]	schestowitz[TR]	just for a catalogue of serial numbers of devices
[09:47]	schestowitz[TR]	without checking what goes on them
[09:47]	schestowitz[TR]	tick-boxes
[09:47]	mjg59_	If I lend someone my laptop that doesn't mean they should have the freedom to do whatever they want to with it
[09:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	but if they have physical access...
[09:48]	schestowitz[TR]	security is not that
[09:48]	schestowitz[TR]	likle 'secure' boot
[09:48]	schestowitz[TR]	yeah, let NSA enabler Microsdoft
[09:48]	schestowitz[TR]	decideds if I can booot MY OS on MY device
[09:48]	schestowitz[TR]	that's NOT security
[09:48]	schestowitz[TR]	that's a security BREACH
[09:48]	schestowitz[TR]	it's NSA and Microsoft denying me access to my OWN device
[09:48]	schestowitz[TR]	biab
[09:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	its fun to watch the wheels turn
[09:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	if you listen closely enough you can hear the hamsters
[09:49]	mjg59_	Every x86 secure boot system shipped has allowed you to configure it to block Windows from booting but allow Linux to boot
[09:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats not a very realistic scenario though.
[09:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	the opposite is basically a predictable outcome
[09:50]	TR News	When a LACK of security gets redefined as "security" (a la NSA) you know you are dealing with career liars
[09:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	similarly, if you bloat a project to the point where only a large corporation can maintain it
[09:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	and dont make it separate parts that smaller teams can maintain
[09:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	you can predict the outcome of that, too
[09:51]	mjg59_	I've deployed systems that were explicitly configured so they'd run Linux but not Windows
[09:51]	TR News	Gulager: devices you own and control are a "DISASTER". FSF: give this man a Free Software Award!!
[09:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	that does not address the point i just made
[09:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	alternatively, my point did address the one you made
[09:51]	mjg59_	I don't think it's the common case
[09:51]	mjg59_	But the technology allows that
[09:52]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/today_s_howtos.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/today_s_howtos.1.gmi 
[09:52]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
[09:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	you said that exactly 2 m,inutes ago
[09:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	Every x86 secure boot system shipped has allowed you to configure it to block Windows from booting but allow Linux to boot
[09:52]	mjg59_	Right I just want to disagree with the idea that the technology is inherently biased in one direction
[09:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	ah
[09:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	it allows = it isnt biased
[09:53]	TR News	"But once you start thinking about security, it gets more complicated." Esp. if you never studied CS and instead studied biology. Understanding security is... complicated.
[09:53]	mjg59_	I do agree that given commercial incentives there's an externally imposed bias
[09:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	you can allow black people to rent in your neighbourhood
[09:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	and still have a bias
[09:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	even a bias against them renting there
[09:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	with real results
[09:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	but still allow blacks per se
[09:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	i think this is a fair way to frame the results of what microsoft offered the world in terms of firmware
[09:53]	mjg59_	Yeah redlining is a real example of that sort of thing
[09:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	linux is welcome, we just need to run a few checks
[09:54]	TR News	RMS worked around passwords in MIT. Free Software Award winner: DISASTER!!
[09:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	maybe an even better metaphor is racially biased election fraud
[09:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	because theyre allowed to vote
[09:55]	TR News	Bill Gates sabotages computer networks. "Justice" warrior: no comment http://techrights.org/2013/01/24/bill-gates-and-viruses/
[09:55]	TR Bot	 Bill Gates Uploaded a Virus he Had Written and Caused the Entire Network to Crash. | Techrights
[09:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	we just go to towns with lots of black people 
[09:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	and make it considerably more difficult to vote
[09:55]	TR News	How Bill Gates Sabotaged PCs to Make Business http://techrights.org/2008/11/20/sabotaging-for-a-living/ hey, let's have this man CONTROL WHAT OS YOU CAN BOOT ON 'YOUR' MACHINE
[09:56]	TR Bot	 How Bill Gates Sabotaged PCs to Make Business | Techrights
[09:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	im certainly not saying microsoft is racist against gnu/linux
[09:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	though it probably is
[09:56]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2010/02/17/choice-versus-condition/
[09:56]	TR Bot	 Nobody is Born a Microsoft Employee | Techrights
[09:56]	schestowitz[TR]	MS: not liking microsoft is racism
[09:56]	schestowitz[TR]	MS = Mark Shuttleworth
[09:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	im saying that they make it much more difficult to do something people have a right to do
[09:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	in a way that benefits one side more than the other
[09:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	and is clearly engineered for that purpose, while claiming to be something more innocuous or even noble
[09:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	secure boot is election fraud for your pc
[09:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	it disenfranchises free software users
[09:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	without completely stopping them 
[09:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	what a wonderful feature
[09:57]	TR News	An X11 Apologist Tries Wayland https://artemis.sh/2022/09/18/wayland-from-an-x-apologist.html
[09:57]	TR Bot	 An X11 Apologist Tries Wayland
[09:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	by the way, if we follow the republicans
[09:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	the next move is to say free software users are lazy 
[09:59]	TR News	Banned in the USA https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/19/banned-in-the-usa/ | Source: Counter Punch
[09:59]	TR Bot	in the USA - CounterPunch.org
[09:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	which misses the point and reverses victim and offender
[09:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	but corporations do that every day
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[10:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	if enough people are paying attention, they back off of that
[10:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	and simply fall back on "well we literally dont stop anyone from actually voting"
[10:00]	TR News	People who oppose BYOD are also the hotdesking boosters http://techrights.org/2022/06/23/epo-hot-desking/
[10:00]	TR Bot	 EPO Management Behaves As If the Goal is to Shut Down and Outsource the Patent Office, Making a Monopolies Bank Instead or Having Rubber-Stamping With Kangaroo Courts Override the European Patent Convention (EPC) | Techrights
[10:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	"every vote was counted!"
[10:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	every vote, yes. every voter, no
[10:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	theres a nuance
[10:02]	TR News	GPS-RTK Raspberry Pi Hat https://linuxgizmos.com/gps-rtk-raspberry-pi-hat-offers-high-precision-positioning-in-real-time/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
[10:02]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/gps-rtk-raspberry-pi-hat-offers-high-precision-positioning-in-real-time/ )
[10:03]	TR News	"pull request" is usually Microsoft term (GitHub), i.e. an attack on Git itself https://opensource.com/article/22/9/first-pull-request-merged | Source: OpenSource.com
[10:03]	TR Bot	got my first pull request merged! | Opensource.com
[10:09]	TR News	Free as in Finance/Money: Salary of SFCs Chief Rose to $216,000 Per Year ($18,000 Per Month), or More Than Twice the FSFs Chief | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/19/sfc-salaries/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/19/sfc-salaries/
[10:09]	TR Bot	 Free as in Finance/Money: Salary of SFCs Chief Rose to $216,000 Per Year ($18,000 Per Month), or More Than Twice the FSFs Chief | Techrights
[10:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	when microsoft talks about "creating stickiness" theyre talking about election fraud for your computing
[10:10]	TR News	IRC Proceedings: Sunday, September 18, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/19/irc-log-180922/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/19/irc-log-180922/
[10:10]	TR Bot	 IRC Proceedings: Sunday, September 18, 2022 | Techrights
[10:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	gnome and freedesktop are experts on stickiness
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[10:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	probably from developers jerking users around all day
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[10:49]	TR News	"Luca Goldmansour critiques corporate media's narratives about student debt relief." https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/18/corporate-media-is-trying-to-convince-people-student-debt-forgiveness-is-bad/ | Source: Scheerpost
[10:49]	TR Bot	Media Is Trying to Convince People Student Debt Forgiveness Is Bad scheerpost.com
[10:49]	TR News	"Mitchell Beer summarizes a report that reveals a green transition comes with huge savings" https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/18/shift-from-fossils-to-renewables-will-save-12-trillion-by-2050/ | Source: Scheerpost
[10:49]	TR Bot	from Fossils to Renewables Will Save $12 Trillion by 2050 scheerpost.com
[10:50]	TR News	Robot https://hackaday.com/2022/09/18/robot-opens-master-combination-locks-in-less-than-a-minute/ | Source: Hackaday
[10:50]	TR Bot	Opens Master Combination Locks In Less Than A Minute | Hackaday
[10:50]	TR News	"If you have more than one pet, you may know how hard it is to tell how much each furry friend is eating." https://hackaday.com/2022/09/18/load-cells-to-get-the-right-pet-the-right-food/ | Source: Hackaday
[10:50]	TR Bot	Cells To Get The Right Pet The Right Food | Hackaday
[10:56]	TR News	Vacuum https://hackaday.com/2022/09/18/a-vacuum-pick-up-tool-for-not-a-lot/ | Source: Hackaday
[10:56]	TR Bot	Vacuum Pick Up Tool For Not A Lot | Hackaday
[10:57]	TR News	Banana Split https://hackaday.com/2022/09/18/banana-split-macropad-is-dessert-for-your-desk/ | Source: Hackaday
[10:57]	TR Bot	Split Macropad Is Dessert For Your Desk | Hackaday
[10:57]	TR News	Gerrymandering https://truthout.org/articles/black-voters-are-fighting-racial-gerrymandering-in-louisiana/ | Source: TruthOut
[10:57]	TR Bot	 Black Voters Are Fighting Racial Gerrymandering in Louisiana
[10:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 17.25 k/sec., IPFS upstream 68.81 average k/sec., average swarm size 146.90
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[11:03]	TR News	GAFAM https://truthout.org/articles/google-and-amazon-workers-demand-end-to-contract-that-fuels-israeli-apartheid/ | Source: TruthOut
[11:03]	TR Bot	 Google and Amazon Workers Demand End to Contract That Fuels Israeli Apartheid
[11:06]	TR News	"In June 2022, accounts for the Sovereign Grant, which cover funds for the official monarch and the households official expenses, was 86.3 million for the 2021-22 year." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/19/royal-money-charles-iii-and-the-wealth-dimension/ | Source: Counter Punch
[11:06]	TR Bot	Money: Charles III and the Wealth Dimension - CounterPunch.org
[11:07]	TR News	Plunder https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/19/the-us-response-to-the-worlds-worst-humanitarian-crisis-seize-and-privatize/ | Source: Counter Punch
[11:07]	TR Bot	US Response to the Worlds Worst Humanitarian Crisis: Seize and Privatize - CounterPunch.org
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[11:09]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines How to Extract/Decompress a WAR File in Linux
[11:15]	TR News	"This weekend sucked. I had absolutely no reason to be at the dance performance on Saturday (i.e. it was a huge waste of my time), Im dreading going to work because of my boss, and the cat dumped a glass of water on my laptop." gemini://eph.smol.pub/1663563557
[11:17]	TR News	Ochin Raspberry Pi CM4 carrier board is made for drones and robots - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/19/ochin-raspberry-pi-cm4-carrier-board-drones-robots/ Source: CNX Software | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/19/ochin-raspberry-pi-cm4-carrier-board-drones-robots/
[11:17]	TR Bot	 Ochin Raspberry Pi CM4 carrier board is made for drones and robots - CNX Software
[11:17]	TR News	pg_activity 3.0.0 has been released https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/pg_activity-300-has-been-released-2510/
[11:17]	TR Bot	 PostgreSQL: pg_activity 3.0.0 has been released
[11:18]	TR News	"Looking for tips and deep dives on Linux, including Red Hat Enterprise Linux? Red Hat Developer has a wide range of content for you. These are some of our favorite and most popular articles, cheat sheets, and lessons to help you get the most out of Linux, along with underlying tools like GCC and Linux-based platforms like Docker" https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/09/19/best-ways-learn-about-linux-red-hat-developer
[11:18]	TR Bot	 Best ways to learn about Linux from Red Hat Developer | Red Hat Developer
[11:19]	TR News	OpenHarmony development board borrows BBC Micro:bit edge connector - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/19/openharmony-development-board-borrows-bbc-microbit-edge-connector/ Source: CNX Software | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/19/openharmony-development-board-borrows-bbc-microbit-edge-connector/
[11:19]	TR Bot	 OpenHarmony development board borrows BBC Micro:bit edge connector - CNX Software
[11:19]	TR News	 (NEW): 4 Best Free and Open Source Groovy Static Site Generators http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/4_Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Groovy_Static_Site_Generators.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/4_Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Groovy_Static_Site_Generators.gmi 
[11:19]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines 4 Best Free and Open Source Groovy Static Site Generators
[11:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-18.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-19.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[11:24]	TR News	"This is a story that I have encountered myself. I wrote about it in my journal, but for reasons that should be clear when reading this, the public version will be censored somewhat. However, it is not necessary to tell the story." gemini://isoraqathedh.pollux.casa/names.gmi
[11:25]	TR News	ICBM Red Hat: banksters first! https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/9/updating-core-banking-strategy-9-lessons
[11:25]	TR Bot	 Updating your core banking strategy: 9 lessons | The Enterprisers Project
[11:25]	TR News	ICBM Red Hat aiming for buzzwords, not substance https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/9/it-jobs-ai-roles
[11:25]	TR Bot	 IT jobs: 3 essential AI roles to hire now | The Enterprisers Project
[11:29]	TR News	 (NEW): 13 Free and Open Source Webpage and HTML editors http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/13_Free_and_Open_Source_Webpage_and_HTML_editors.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/13_Free_and_Open_Source_Webpage_and_HTML_editors.gmi 
[11:29]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines 13 Free and Open Source Webpage and HTML editors
[11:29]	TR News	 (NEW): Open Hardware: OpenHarmony and Raspberry Pi http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/y.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/y.gmi 
[11:29]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Open Hardware: OpenHarmony and Raspberry Pi
[11:29]	TR News	 (NEW): Red Hat / IBM Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Red_Hat_IBM_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Red_Hat_IBM_Leftovers.gmi 
[11:29]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Red Hat / IBM Leftovers
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[11:36]	TR News	Malicious lobbying group https://analyticsindiamag.com/shouldnt-linux-foundation-be-officially-present-in-india/ see how it misuses the "Linux" brand http://techrights.org/2022/08/28/linux-foundation-revenue-plunges/
[11:36]	TR Bot	 Shouldn't Linux Foundation be Officially Present in India?
[11:36]	TR Bot	 Linux Foundation Revenue Plunges ($18,000,000 Decrease in One Year) and Jim Zemlins Wife Has Her Company Sued for Securities Fraud (Class Action) | Techrights
[11:38]	TR News	Microsoft Teams deemed unsafe to use by security researchers https://www.androidpolice.com/microsoft-teams-desktop-keeps-auth-tokens-in-plaintext/ Source: Android Police "And it's really all Microsoft's own fault" http://techrights.org/wiki/Microsoft_and_the_NSA
[11:38]	TR Bot	 Microsoft Teams deemed unsafe to use by security researchers
[11:38]	TR Bot	 Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights
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[11:40]	TR News	Now with extra restrictions https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2022/09/19/the-document-foundation-releases-libreoffice-on-apples-mac-app-store/
[11:40]	TR Bot	 The Document Foundation releases LibreOffice on Apples Mac App Store - The Document Foundation Blog
[11:47]	TR News	SFC and LF are not "moderates". They are corporate front groups, sellouts, weapons against the community.
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[11:57]	TR News	http://techrights.org/2022/09/19/pgactivity-3-0-0-released/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/19/pgactivity-3-0-0-released/
[11:57]	TR Bot	( status 404 @ http://techrights.org/2022/09/19/pgactivity-3-0-0-released/ )
[11:58]	TR News	Links 19/09/2022: pg_activity 3.0.0 Released, Microsoft Teams a Security Hole http://techrights.org/2022/09/19/pg_activity-3-0-0-released/
[11:58]	TR Bot	 Links 19/09/2022: pg_activity 3.0.0 Released, Microsoft Teams a Security Hole | Techrights
[11:58]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/today_s_leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/today_s_leftovers.gmi 
[11:58]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's leftovers
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● Sep 19
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[12:31]	mixling	ohh, nice, gentoo already got an ebuild for app-editors/vis
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[12:32]	mixling	it's gonna be a good day today
[12:33]	mixling	whenever i can remove some hundreds of thousands of lines of code
[12:40]	mixling	and lua-support is optional too with vis, i'll enable it
[12:43]	TR News	 (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Android_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Android_Leftovers.gmi 
[12:43]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Android Leftovers
[12:47]	mixling	vis editor supports an alternative implementation of POSIX regex, instead of libpcre/2: dev-libs/tre
[12:48]	mixling	didn't know that existed, had not ever seen this pulled into as dependency by anythin yet, it was always libpcre
[12:48]	mixling	there seems to be an entire eco-system flourishing somewhere, which isn't neither BSD nor GNU
[12:49]	schestowitz[TR]	just did a 36-min rebuttal to https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/61089.html
[12:49]	TR Bot	 mjg59 | Bring Your Own Disaster
[12:49]	schestowitz[TR]	fake security is a religion now
[12:52]	mixling	i say this to mjg59_: i'll roll-back to linux-2.4, gimme some opensource FSF endorsed hardware please
[12:53]	mixling	so we together can inspect it's internals, to avoid security problems with it
[12:55]	mixling	good for him, i am not employed by german ministry of the interior or military here
[12:56]	mixling	i would reject all IBM MICROS~1 Wintel gear
[12:56]	mixling	insted of relying on vendors and their promises, i defined minimum acceptance criteria, vendor-independent(!), and see any supplier match those criteria
[12:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.48 k/sec., IPFS upstream 74.16 average k/sec., average swarm size 134.71
● Sep 19
[13:04]	mixling	the argument from mjg59_ implies, the employers (RAND Corp. Pentagon) and their hardware weren't the security threat themselves to me
[13:05]	mixling	it is, what they, "made in USA" "five eyes" provided me with, it's what's heavily compromised
[13:06]	mixling	besides, the entire bureaucratic apparatus here arranged well, i wasn't employed
[13:06]	mixling	mjg59_: thank you
[13:06]	schestowitz[TR]	being compromised is part of that secuity
[13:06]	schestowitz[TR]	"security" means the "trusted ones" control you
[13:06]	schestowitz[TR]	that's security
[13:06]	schestowitz[TR]	imperialism spun as "national security"
[13:06]	schestowitz[TR]	"war on terror';
[13:08]	mixling	the good news about this: all this shitware "made in USA", they cannot roll-back anymore to any decent state 20 years ago
[13:09]	mixling	because they would loose their entire user-base and developers
[13:09]	mixling	however, i can do it
[13:09]	mixling	hence, mjg59_ has to live with heavily compromised systems they produced themselves, to enjoy their live with, as developer
[13:10]	mixling	i am at the liberty, not to
[13:10]	mixling	as I said, if the former soviet east-german semiconductor business had not been wrecked by the "liberation" in 1990
[13:11]	mixling	i had disconnected internet already, and anjoy my live as scientist in a library somewhere, outside the shitty city ghettos they created almost everywhere
[13:13]	schestowitz[TR]	in east germany?
[13:13]	schestowitz[TR]	didn't east germany outsourced ghettos to the east
[13:14]	schestowitz[TR]	*outsource
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[13:14]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines How to Limit the HTTP Bandwidth in NGINX
[13:14]	mixling	schestowitz[TR]: the city ghettos were established in the west
[13:15]	mixling	in east-germany/soviet-area; depends, Leipzig was one of the most heavily polluted cities on the plants
[13:15]	mixling	this is where i grew up, the last remaining best breed of cold-war
[13:16]	mixling	however, after 1990, i did believe it, all this propaganda rubbish of "freedom", which FSF perpetuates with their propaganda
[13:16]	mixling	not anymore, obviously
[13:17]	mixling	*planet
[13:17]	TR News	Holiday Inn Parent Company Hacked Through Weak Password https://www.maketecheasier.com/holiday-inn-hacked-weak-password/
[13:17]	TR Bot	 Holiday Inn Parent Company Hacked Through Weak Password - Make Tech Easier
[13:17]	TR News	Where to download Parrot OS 5 Home Edition https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/how-to-install-parrot-os-5-home-edition/
[13:17]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/how-to-install-parrot-os-5-home-edition/ )
[13:19]	TR News	"The couple, going by the name of TeaPea, reached the BBC through Telegram and supplied screenshots, which IHG confirmed were authentic, that showed them gaining access to ICGs Outlook emails, Microsoft Teams chats, and server directories." https://www.maketecheasier.com/holiday-inn-hacked-weak-password/
[13:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-18.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-19.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[13:22]	mixling	however, i throw them all into the same bag: FSF, SFC, GNU, BSD, IBM, GAFAM "made in USA" and their minions
[13:22]	mixling	schestowitz[TR]: do you remember why east-germans protested on the streets in 1989?
[13:24]	mixling	the mass-surveillance of the secret service apparatus, and the population held captive by the government
[13:24]	mixling	i mean, the electronics which were produced in east-germany, had never been as heavily tapped for spying than what mjg59_ and FSF "endorse" nowadays as "free"
[13:26]	mixling	of cause, FSF award isn't a Stasi badge of honor
[13:27]	mixling	mjg59_: don't worry, i can't bring my own hardware, because east-german semiconductors are defunct
[13:28]	mixling	and, i haven't got access to precious NVA weapons stockpiles either, otherwise IBM Wintel Pentagon offices in east-germany were set on fire already
[13:34]	MinceR	19 085129 < geert> that you probably not become as old and inflexible as mincer seem sometimes :)
[13:34]	MinceR	at the current tech level, you'll either become old or die young
[13:34]	schestowitz[TR]	like babies with cancer
[13:34]	mixling	needless to say, i am not an employee of yours, mjg59_, hence there is no need for any UEFI remote-shell connected to pentagon
[13:35]	schestowitz[TR]	germany rejected securt e b oot
[13:35]	schestowitz[TR]	pn the grounds of nationalk security
[13:35]	schestowitz[TR]	US can remoately brick all PCs in Germany
[13:35]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2012/11/29/uefi-insecurity/
[13:35]	TR Bot	 UEFI Apologists Versus Germanys Government Judgment on UEFI Insecurity | Techrights
[13:35]	MinceR	19 083348 < geert> well e.g. try get mincer educated as an example
[13:36]	MinceR	yeah, just tell me that all my experiences were illusions and see if i laugh at you
[13:36]	MinceR	19 084650 < highest_cubist_thrills> someday, probably, russia will be communist again too
[13:37]	MinceR	well, if russia doesn't get destroyed, it will probably become a colony of red china, i.e. "communist"
[13:37]	TR News	Share files from your PC to your Steam Deck with this quick tutorial - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=x4_Sexd1UAw | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/x4_Sexd1UAw
[13:38]	TR Bot	 Share files from your PC to your Steam Deck with this quick tutorial - Invidious
[13:38]	TR News	But NSA is anti-security and pro-back doors (which it hilariously redefines as "security" https://containerjournal.com/features/nsa-security-best-practices-for-kubernetes/
[13:38]	TR Bot	 NSA Security Best Practices for Kubernetes - Container Journal
[13:39]	TR News	WP Briefing: Episode 39: Contributor Stories Live from WordCamp US! https://wordpress.org/news/2022/09/episode-39-contributor-stories-live-from-wordcamp-us/
[13:39]	TR Bot	 Episode 39: Contributor Stories Live from WordCamp US! WordPress News
[13:39]	schestowitz[TR]	MinceR: maybe putin wants to borrow some chinese tanks
[13:40]	schestowitz[TR]	originally modelled based on soviet designs
[13:40]	schestowitz[TR]	russia used to have skilled engineers, so did hungary
[13:40]	schestowitz[TR]	they left
[13:40]	schestowitz[TR]	turns out communism puts off people
[13:41]	TR News	Large-Scale Collection of Cell Phone Data at US Borders - Schneier on Security https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/09/large-scale-collection-of-cell-phone-data-at-us-borders.html Source: Bruce Schneier ... people should NOT carry such appliances across borders!
[13:41]	TR Bot	Collection of Cell Phone Data at US Borders - Schneier on Security
[13:41]	MinceR	they knew that
[13:41]	TR News	"U.S. government officials are adding data from as many as 10,000 electronic devices each year to a massive database theyve compiled from cellphones, iPads and computers seized from travelers at the countrys airports, seaports and border crossings, the Washington Post reports." https://politicalwire.com/2022/09/15/customs-officials-have-copied-americans-phone-data/
[13:41]	TR Bot	 Customs Officials Have Copied Americans Phone Data
[13:41]	MinceR	that's why they built the berlin wall and the iron curtain
[13:42]	TR News	Large-Scale Collection of Cell Phone Data at US Borders https://gizmodo.com/border-patrol-surveillance-cell-data-no-warrants-1849540504
[13:42]	TR Bot	 Border Agents Surveil Americans' Phones Without Warrants: Wyden
[13:42]	TR News	Security 'pros' who carry around 'smart' phones are not smart
[13:43]	geert	MinceR > it kind of add to this: < highest_cubist_thrills> but lets enter mincer mode < highest_cubist_thrills> whats the point of this?
[13:43]	geert	so it wasnt to nullify the experience you got
[13:43]	TR News	Intel buys voting power https://krita.org/en/item/intel-becomes-first-krita-development-fund-corporate-gold-patron/
[13:43]	geert	more like if one would ask 'whats the point' of certain stances, to say e.g. 'to educate mincer'
[13:43]	TR Bot	 Intel Becomes First Krita Development Fund Corporate Gold Patron | Krita
[13:44]	geert	well even if it would be incorrect you might have gotten information from it like who would hold incorrect opinions as an example
[13:44]	geert	so maybe its better if one would get to state 'to TRY get mincer educated'
[13:44]	TR News	[PATCH V4] LoongArch: Add ACPI-based generic laptop driver https://lore.kernel.org/linux-acpi/20220919021540.2873061-1-chenhuacai@loongson.cn/T/#u Source: kernel | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/linux-acpi/20220919021540.2873061-1-chenhuacai@loongson.cn/T/#u
[13:44]	TR Bot	 [PATCH V4] LoongArch: Add ACPI-based generic laptop driver
[13:45]	TR News	Intel pushing Microsoft shit into Linux kernel. Proprietary Github and Rust. https://lore.kernel.org/rust-for-linux/20220919.103820.680182888079022491.fujita@lima-default/
[13:45]	TR Bot	 Rust e1000 driver (Intel Ethernet adapter) - FUJITA Tomonori
[13:46]	TR News	Top 5 Best Thermal Camera Apps for Android in 2022 https://www.ubuntupit.com/best-thermal-camera-apps-for-android/ Source: Ubuntu Pit | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.ubuntupit.com/best-thermal-camera-apps-for-android/
[13:46]	TR Bot	 Top 5 Best Thermal Camera Apps for Android in 2022
[13:46]	TR News	[PULL] drm-intel-next - Jani Nikula https://lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/87o7vfr064.fsf@intel.com/ Source: intel | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/87o7vfr064.fsf@intel.com/
[13:46]	TR Bot	 [PULL] drm-intel-next - Jani Nikula
[13:47]	TR News	[PATCH v3 0/7] Fixups for s2idle on various Rembrandt laptops - Mario Limonciello https://lore.kernel.org/linux-acpi/20220916182609.3039-1-mario.limonciello@amd.com/ Source: amd | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/linux-acpi/20220916182609.3039-1-mario.limonciello@amd.com/
[13:47]	TR Bot	 [PATCH v3 0/7] Fixups for s2idle on various Rembrandt laptops - Mario Limonciello
[13:57]	TR News	 (NEW): Firefox 105 Is Now Available for Download, Brings Better Performance on Linux Systems http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Firefox_105_Is_Now_Available_for_Download.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Firefox_105_Is_Now_Available_for_Download.gmi 
[13:57]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Firefox 105 Is Now Available for Download, Brings Better Performance on Linux Systems
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[14:05]	TR News	Software Freedom is Not a Disaster and Those Who Oppose B.Y.O.D. Are a Monarchs Dream | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/19/disastrous-security-arguments/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/19/disastrous-security-arguments/
[14:05]	TR Bot	 Software Freedom is Not a Disaster and Those Who Oppose B.Y.O.D. Are a Monarchs Dream | Techrights
[14:18]	TR News	[Meme] Only Fools and Horses Work for Microsoft Without a Salary | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/19/only-fools-and-horses-microsoft/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/19/only-fools-and-horses-microsoft/
[14:18]	TR Bot	 [Meme] Only Fools and Horses Work for Microsoft Without a Salary | Techrights
[14:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-18.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-19.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[14:23]	TR News	"Not my king" implies that another king can or should exist. "Not accepting kings" would be a clearer statement, but social control media giants (like Twitter, owned partly by the Saudi ROYAL family) control hashes and tags, trends and visibility.
[14:36]	TR News	Slashdot Adding Microsoft GitHub to All Linux Pages in Order to Shill Proprietary Code Hosting | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/19/slashdot-github/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/19/slashdot-github/
[14:36]	TR Bot	 Slashdot Adding Microsoft GitHub to All Linux Pages in Order to Shill Proprietary Code Hosting | Techrights
[14:56]	TR News	Our New Unelected Queen is Liz Trump (TruSS), Selected Undemocratically by About 1 in 1,000 Brits (0.1%) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/19/liz-trump/
[14:56]	TR Bot	Blog Archive Our New Unelected Queen is Liz Trump (TruSS), Selected Undemocratically by About 1 in 1,000 Brits (0.1%)
[14:59]	mixling	dynamically linked: vis ~0.2MiB, Vim ~2Mib ... i'll see soon, how this affects functionality of an editor
[14:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 27.46 k/sec., IPFS upstream 158.98 average k/sec., average swarm size 125.71
[14:59]	mixling	seems vis builds upon sam editor: "Sam is the preferred text editor of several eminent programmers. It was the first full screen editor Ken Thompson liked"
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[15:00]	mixling	"... used by Bjarne Stroustrup, Brian Kernighan, Douglas McIlroy and Tom Duff"
[15:01]	mixling	gathered some notable prominence i see
[15:02]	mixling	meanwhile GNU EMACS and Vim slay each other with bloat...
[15:02]	mixling	statically linked vis editor accumulates ~400KiB in size, not bad, i haven't integrated lua yet and the pcre library, won't make that big difference
[15:03]	schestowitz[TR]	and gnu nano?
[15:03]	schestowitz[TR]	if it's still gnu
[15:03]	schestowitz[TR]	going back and forth
[15:03]	mixling	vis is a modal editor, just like Vim
[15:04]	mixling	the problem at that frontline is/was, the implementation variants of Vi, and vis fits into a niche
[15:06]	TR News	We have our own orange one now and she is also a flamboyant COVIDiot https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/19/liz-trump/ soon we have two dictators, not one, whom nobody voter for. We're still monarchy, not democracy. It was the same with Brexitnaro (Borisnaro).
[15:06]	mixling	nvi is the one from BSD, which got problems with it's dependency graph; not to mention Vim
[15:06]	mixling	and Elvis had not got unicode support, hence it was abandoned
[15:06]	TR News	Mr. Shim (Matthew Garrett, Microsoft 'asset') is telling us that people owning the electronic devices they use at work is a disaster http://techrights.org/2022/09/19/disastrous-security-arguments/
[15:07]	TR News	Were meant to think that Microsoft controlling the computers of BSD and GNU/Linux users means greater safety and security; to some people, April 1st is every day http://techrights.org/2022/09/19/only-fools-and-horses-microsoft/
[15:07]	TR News	Slashdot used to be a pro-GNU/Linux site; now its run by very different people, but many make wrong assumptions about what the site actually is http://techrights.org/2022/09/19/slashdot-github/
[15:08]	mixling	schestowitz[TR]: emacs is entangled with LISP, which i must admit i have never programmed with
[15:09]	mixling	hence this raises another question, the importance/relevance of lisp
[15:09]	mixling	i do know, the GNU following, in particular RMS, appreciate lisp very much
[15:09]	schestowitz[TR]	h e programmed in the 70s
[15:09]	schestowitz[TR]	it was the c of the time
[15:10]	mixling	with regards to lisp, it is emacs itself, which scares me away from it, lisp itself
[15:11]	TR News	Linux for Beginners - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=10f4899srvc | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/10f4899srvc
[15:11]	TR Bot	 Linux for Beginners - Invidious
[15:12]	mixling	because, such a system, got a steep learning curve, and once a developer gets accustomed to such a system, departing is too a psychological issue
[15:12]	mixling	and emacs itself is that heavily entangled with what i want do detangle from: gnu-buildystem and gnu-toolchain
[15:12]	TR News	 (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Android_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Android_Leftovers.1.gmi 
[15:13]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Android Leftovers
[15:13]	mixling	and then, GNU is not Unix, as we all know
[15:14]	schestowitz[TR]	mixling is not activelow
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[15:18]	mixling	seems to me, the vis/oasis-linux gathering, is a grassroots movement, outside the scope of both BSD and GNU
[15:19]	mixling	their workflow, is different, from the beginning, assuming the development workflow remains 100% source-based
[15:19]	mixling	hence, for example, key-bindings of vis editor are configured inside a header file, for the sake of simplicity and mental health
[15:19]	mixling	same with many other suckless.org components
[15:19]	TR News	Testing the toolchain with GNU poke: assembling RISC-V instructions - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=n09mhw4-m_E | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/n09mhw4-m_E
[15:19]	TR Bot	 Testing the toolchain with GNU poke: assembling RISC-V instructions - Invidious
[15:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-18.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-19.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[15:20]	mixling	GNU/GNOME/Debian however, their development and system-integration by design implies binary-distribution, and an administer not compiling the software used
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[15:20]	TR News	Installation and First Look at Salix OS - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=4DF4IMr96No | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/4DF4IMr96No
[15:20]	TR Bot	 Installation and First Look at Salix OS - Invidious
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[15:21]	DaemonFC	mjg59_ has selectively quoted me to all of his 3 human followers on his Shitter bot farm.
[15:21]	DaemonFC	LOL
[15:22]	MinceR	will they cancel you?
[15:22]	DaemonFC	I hope nobody tells mjg59_ (who does dealings with racists, immigrant bashers, Trump supporters, transphobes, and homophobes, and criminals and rapists at Microsoft) about South Park.
[15:22]	DaemonFC	He'll explode with impotent rage.
[15:24]	DaemonFC	MinceR: mjg59_ would have liked for DrPizza (who also identified as a leftist before going to prison for trying to arrange to rape a 9 year old girl)  to join him, but DrPizza is in prison. DrPizza also wanted Roy to cancel me. I'm sure Peter would have gotten along famously with Matthew Garrett.
[15:24]	MinceR	indeed
[15:26]	DaemonFC	DrPizza was on "Linsux" newsgroups bashing me for criticizing Microsoft. Back in 2009, I think?
[15:26]	DaemonFC	He attacked me for criticizing Microsoft "PlayReady" DRM, which was in their TV tuner software.
[15:27]	DaemonFC	It refused to record AMC, which had flagged itself as "Premium Content", making the DVR functionality in Windows useless.
[15:27]	DaemonFC	"Oh, Windows has a DVR...." - Microsoft
[15:28]	DaemonFC	They forgot to mention that Windows Media Center refused to record anything flagged as "premium", so there were entire channels, even on basic cable, that you couldn't DVR, unless you bought some other DVR software that didn't pay attention to that flag.
[15:29]	DaemonFC	mjg59_ appears to willingly ignore the operative part of the sentence he quoted.
[15:29]	DaemonFC	That a person who pours gasoline on themselves and sets themselves on fire was probably very mentally ill.
[15:30]	DaemonFC	I struggle to think of a person operating correctly, or even somewhat close to it, who would light themselves on fire.
[15:30]	mixling	every day the same, DaemonFC awakes, lures out of his mole-hole, and an instant later throws mud at mr. mathew
[15:30]	DaemonFC	Especially over what some goddamned Internet troll says.
[15:30]	DaemonFC	mjg59_ is an Internet troll, but I've dealt with worse.
[15:31]	TR News	 (NEW): The Steam Decks Sales Pitch for Japan: It Could Have Been Better, To Say the Least http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/The_Steam_Deck_s_Sales_Pitch_for_Japan_It_Could_Have_Been_Bette.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/The_Steam_Deck_s_Sales_Pitch_for_Japan_It_Could_Have_Been_Bette.gmi 
[15:31]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines The Steam Decks Sales Pitch for Japan: It Could Have Been Better, To Say the Least
[15:31]	DaemonFC	I had Peter Staley commit telephone harassment until he burned himself out because I mentioned that he's just a drug company advertiser now. 
[15:32]	DaemonFC	That was about 14-15 years ago I think. I just left the phone off the hook for a few days. I only had the phone because you had to have a phone to have DSL at that time.
[15:32]	TR News	 (NEW): Security Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Security_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Security_Leftovers.gmi 
[15:32]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Security Leftovers
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[15:32]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Videos: Salix OS, GNU poke, Steam Deck, Linux for Beginners, and WordPress
[15:32]	schestowitz[TR]	<DaemonFC> mjg59_ has selectively quoted me to all of his 3 human followers on his Shitter bot farm.
[15:32]	schestowitz[TR]	his parents are not bots
[15:33]	schestowitz[TR]	from what I saw, many of his followers are Microsoft
[15:33]	schestowitz[TR]	or bots, de facto drones, working for Microsoft
[15:33]	DaemonFC	Is there some good reason why three whole alleged people killed themselves over what some fat slobs living in their parents' basements, who don't matter, said about them on some stupid Web forum?
[15:33]	schestowitz[TR]	didn't know microsoft peter was on linsux
[15:33]	DaemonFC	I say alleged people because of the fact that two of them haven't been proven to exist.
[15:33]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe there is a strong correlation between people who hate linux and who hate adults... prefer to rape kids
[15:34]	DaemonFC	They are just pseudonyms who we have to accept killed themselves, according to mjg59_ even though there's no citation linking them to an actual person.
[15:34]	DaemonFC	The one person we know existed committed suicide by setting himself on fire.
[15:34]	schestowitz[TR]	epo caused many suicides 
[15:34]	DaemonFC	Which I said is something that a mentally ill person might do.
[15:34]	schestowitz[TR]	like 8 in a few yeras
[15:34]	schestowitz[TR]	mjg59_ exposes EPO all the time
[15:34]	schestowitz[TR]	for causing  people to commit suicide
[15:34]	schestowitz[TR]	with the corruption
[15:34]	schestowitz[TR]	mjg59_ is a social justice warrior
[15:34]	schestowitz[TR]	writes about sofwtare patents
[15:35]	schestowitz[TR]	Red hat and Gulag probably made him apply for such patents LOL
[15:35]	schestowitz[TR]	check uspto for his name
[15:35]	schestowitz[TR]	see how many software patenes he has
[15:36]	schestowitz[TR]	<DaemonFC> Which I said is something that a mentally ill person might do.
[15:36]	schestowitz[TR]	one peoi employee did it
[15:36]	schestowitz[TR]	worked in epo administratinopn
[15:36]	schestowitz[TR]	it was on german tv
[15:36]	schestowitz[TR]	caused by bad management
[15:37]	schestowitz[TR]	mjg59_ wrote about it
[15:37]	schestowitz[TR]	of course he did
[15:37]	schestowitz[TR]	he is "social justice warrior" by his own description
[15:37]	DaemonFC	Maybe he can petition Clownflare to quit hosting them.
[15:37]	schestowitz[TR]	yeah
[15:37]	schestowitz[TR]	epo is sexist
[15:37]	schestowitz[TR]	too
[15:37]	schestowitz[TR]	but
[15:38]	schestowitz[TR]	nnaaa... bill gates
[15:38]	schestowitz[TR]	womaniser
[15:38]	schestowitz[TR]	remember when rms had nude pool parties?
[15:38]	schestowitz[TR]	oh wait
[15:38]	schestowitz[TR]	trhat was not rms
[15:38]	DaemonFC	I always thought it was funny that an American company hosts the FBI and the Taliban and Child Pornography Web sites.
[15:38]	DaemonFC	Nothing happens to them.
[15:38]	schestowitz[TR]	https://nypost.com/2021/05/10/bill-gates-womanizer-held-nude-pool-parties-biographer/
[15:38]	TR Bot	 Bill Gates 'womanizer,' held nude pool parties: biographer
[15:38]	DaemonFC	They just say, "Hey dude, we're just the web host!".
[15:38]	schestowitz[TR]	rms has a mattress at his office
[15:38]	schestowitz[TR]	the MFer!!
[15:38]	schestowitz[TR]	seleeping in his ooffice
[15:38]	schestowitz[TR]	he gets tired
[15:38]	schestowitz[TR]	from the coding and activism
[15:39]	schestowitz[TR]	wants to sleep
[15:39]	schestowitz[TR]	while mjg59_ is busy at foss events
[15:40]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.phoronix.com/news/NVIDIA-ASI-2022-Linux-Dev
[15:40]	TR Bot	Working To Make Linux Safer For Cars, Robots & Other Safety Critical Environments - Phoronix
[15:40]	schestowitz[TR]	marketing material
[15:40]	schestowitz[TR]	of nvidia
[15:40]	schestowitz[TR]	just copy of the brochures!
[15:40]	DaemonFC	I wonder what mjg59_'s "partner" thinks about him "not missing out".
[15:40]	schestowitz[TR]	and then slides
[15:40]	schestowitz[TR]	DaemonFC: it's OK
[15:40]	schestowitz[TR]	as long as he uses the correct pronoun
[15:41]	schestowitz[TR]	promiscuous people are too hypocritical to berate others over it
[15:41]	schestowitz[TR]	that's why they pick on rms
[15:41]	schestowitz[TR]	for total bs
[15:41]	schestowitz[TR]	and falsehoods
[15:41]	DaemonFC	I wonder if mjg59_ just treats his "partner" like John treated me. Abusively. Or if his partner is as much of a perverted degenerate as mjg59_ is.
[15:42]	TR News	Red Hat Customer Portal recognized by the Association of Support Professionals as one the Best Support Websites of 2022 https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hat-customer-portal-recognized-association-support-professionals-one-best-support-websites-2022 Source: Red Hat Official
[15:42]	TR Bot	 Red Hat Customer Portal recognized by the Association of Support Professionals as one the Best Support Websites of 2022
[15:43]	TR News	Introduction to Nim language https://bkhome.org/news/202209/introduction-to-nim-language.html
[15:43]	TR Bot	 Introduction to Nim language
[15:43]	mixling	that's why, i reject DaemonFC, he is crossing the line to insults and defamation
[15:43]	TR News	Conan package manager pilot to end in December https://www.qt.io/blog/conan-package-manager-pilot-to-end-in-december Source: Qt (proprietary) :/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.qt.io/blog/conan-package-manager-pilot-to-end-in-december
[15:43]	TR Bot	 Conan package manager pilot to end in December
[15:43]	DaemonFC	I'm just pointing out that mjg59_ is a degenerate, not the morals police.
[15:44]	schestowitz[TR]	there is a term for it
[15:44]	schestowitz[TR]	it's something about guilt
[15:44]	schestowitz[TR]	like, you work on really awful projects
[15:44]	DaemonFC	For a sleazy lech who pals around with sex criminals at Microsoft?
[15:45]	schestowitz[TR]	and then you claim to do charity
[15:45]	schestowitz[TR]	or "social justice" something
[15:45]	schestowitz[TR]	to distract from or counter-balance the evil
[15:46]	DaemonFC	I do have some vices, oh yes, but committing adultery is not one of them, much less bragging about doing it.
[15:46]	TR News	The Different Token Types and Formats Explained - The New Stack https://thenewstack.io/the-different-token-types-and-formats-explained/ Source: The New Stack | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//thenewstack.io/the-different-token-types-and-formats-explained/
[15:46]	TR Bot	 The Different Token Types and Formats Explained - The New Stack
[15:47]	DaemonFC	Interestingly, the bible never mentions "trans" people at all, much less what to do with them, much less that there even is such a thing.
[15:47]	TR News	A journey in the RTC subsystem - Bootlin's blog https://bootlin.com/blog/a-journey-in-the-rtc-subsystem/ Source: | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//bootlin.com/blog/a-journey-in-the-rtc-subsystem/
[15:47]	TR Bot	journey in the RTC subsystem - Bootlin's blog
[15:47]	DaemonFC	Amusingly, the closest it gets is saying that men with missing genitals can't enter the temple.
[15:48]	schestowitz[TR]	the bible is no morality book anyway
[15:48]	schestowitz[TR]	nor a science book
[15:49]	DaemonFC	The New Testament doesn't list out homosexuality as any sort of crime or offense.
[15:49]	TR News	BCDEJTO Wordo: AIRED gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-09-19.gmi
[15:50]	DaemonFC	I always thought it was interesting that Christians go to "The book we don't live by. It's just there for prologue." to get at that.
[15:50]	schestowitz[TR]	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Catholic_Church_and_homosexuality?wprov=srpw1_0
[15:50]	TR Bot	 History of the Catholic Church and homosexuality - Wikipedia
[15:50]	schestowitz[TR]	 In October 2016, Francis said that "When a person (who is gay) arrives before Jesus, Jesus certainly will not say, 'Go away because you are homosexual'"
[15:50]	schestowitz[TR]	the church changes its stance
[15:50]	schestowitz[TR]	to keep up with the times
[15:51]	schestowitz[TR]	it also removed some people for the whole "kid fucking" AND covering it up affairs..
[15:51]	schestowitz[TR]	iirc, jesus is said to have slept with another m,an, but just slept in same bed
[15:52]	schestowitz[TR]	unless that man was ioerror, then fine
[15:52]	schestowitz[TR]	tbh, I never slept in a bed with another guy, except maybe dad
[15:52]	schestowitz[TR]	and I was a kid
[15:52]	schestowitz[TR]	kids have bad dream sometimes
[15:53]	schestowitz[TR]	at the very least a shared room can be "double room", i.e. two beds
[15:53]	schestowitz[TR]	they are almost always the same price as one large bed
[15:53]	schestowitz[TR]	"twin"
[15:54]	DaemonFC	The Catholic Church helped us get Mandy's immigration case on file before Donald Trump's new regulations hit.
[15:54]	DaemonFC	Someone asked why I went to the Catholics. I said I'd shake hands with the devil if I thought it would help things along.
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[15:56]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR]: They don't fit in with the times, so they age and then the churches empty out.
[15:56]	DaemonFC	No money, file bankruptcy against Kathy's pension.
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[15:57]	DaemonFC	Hey Kathy, work for us. The pay isn't the best but you'll get a terrific pension!
[15:57]	DaemonFC	Thous Shalt Not Steal!
[15:57]	DaemonFC	*files bankruptcy and screws Kathy*
[15:57]	mixling	DaemonFC: how had this been a case if you are the partner of mandy (whoever it is)
[15:58]	mixling	had he been, Many, denied working in USA?
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[15:58]	mixling	Mandy
[15:58]	TR Bot	 Vincent has died, age 16 - Puppy Linux Discussion Forum
[15:58]	DaemonFC	You can't work on a student visa, except maybe on campus with DHS permission.
[15:59]	TR News	"Vincent was a logo and avatar in Puppy Linux. Died at age 16, over 110 in human years!" https://bkhome.org/news/202209/vincent-has-died-age-16.html
[15:59]	TR Bot	 Vincent has died age 16
[15:59]	mixling	DaemonFC: and this student visa restriction was introduced by Trump?
[15:59]	DaemonFC	So when you adjust status, you still can't work until they get around to issuing you an Employment Authorization Document, which is a plastic card that says you're able to legally work.
[15:59]	DaemonFC	mixlingDaemonFC: and this student visa restriction was introduced by Trump?
[15:59]	DaemonFC	No, not that particular one.
● Sep 19
[16:00]	mixling	DaemonFC: does Mandy study still?
[16:00]	DaemonFC	Trump had them come up with a form called I-944 (iirc). It's like filing bankruptcy, except totally different. It's as complicated as a bankruptcy filing, but you have to use it to PROVE you will NEVER use a welfare program if they let you in, which was designed to be nearly impossible.
[16:01]	DaemonFC	So we had to beat that filing deadline or else file I-944, in which case they could presume we'd eventually use welfare even though we didn't, and haven't.
[16:01]	DaemonFC	Nice, huh?
[16:01]	DaemonFC	I-944 was ended by the Biden Administration.
[16:01]	DaemonFC	But it would have been too late to help us.
[16:01]	mixling	probably because, it is impossible in principle, to avoid social security with any guarantee
[16:02]	DaemonFC	Yeah, so "prove you'll never use it" is an impossibly high bar.
[16:02]	DaemonFC	Under the old one, it was "they have to prove you're more likely than not to use it based on the totality of the circumstances".
[16:02]	mixling	it's funny how, the same people, loot and plunder my income though, to prove anything
[16:02]	DaemonFC	And it covered fewer programs.
[16:02]	mixling	not it had anything to do with me personally
[16:03]	DaemonFC	mjg59_ didn't have to worry about I-944 because like the GirlsDoPorn rapist, he just flashed money and they let him through.
[16:03]	DaemonFC	The US is as corrupt as any other country where some people can just buy citizenship while they create every problem they can think of for most anyone else.
[16:04]	DaemonFC	The US doesn't technically "sell" citizenship as such. There are immigration processing fees, but those are basically there to make USCIS self-sufficient, like the Post Office.
[16:05]	DaemonFC	When I say people like mjg59_ and the GirldDoPorn Rapist buy their citizenship, what I mean is the government sees that they'll get tax money and then it doesn't give them a hard time like it does for people who truly need asylum here because if they go home, they'll be murdered.
[16:06]	DaemonFC	So he's an "American of convenience" and they don't hassle him because his checks to the IRS clear.
[16:06]	DaemonFC	mjg59_ is a symptom of the higher education problem the Democrats have allowed to brew.
[16:07]	DaemonFC	Instead of educating our own citizens, they just dole out Immigration visas so tech and other companies can import workers.
[16:07]	DaemonFC	He's a symbol of the Democratic Party's treachery against real Americans.
[16:08]	DaemonFC	The Democrats cause a lot of poverty and suicides while they sneer at people who could have been more had their own country invested anything into them.
[16:08]	DaemonFC	But the poverty serves them too.
[16:08]	DaemonFC	By keeping people down and on welfare programs, they keep them dependent on government to pay their bills so that they can't vote for anyone else.
[16:09]	mixling	it's irelevant whom to vote for
[16:09]	DaemonFC	Like schestowitz[TR] gets at, they're not necessarily better than Republicans, just different.
[16:10]	DaemonFC	Joe Biden solved one problem I was having. That USCIS was being much more difficult than the law required them to be.
[16:10]	DaemonFC	He created many others. Like 25% annual inflation.
[16:11]	DaemonFC	If his party loses at least the US House of Representatives, there won't be a lot of inflation after that because these trillion dollar weekly spending plans will stop.
[16:12]	DaemonFC	They've gotten to the point where the baseline budget is over $7 trillion, but then they pass a bunch of others that dump weapons into Ukraine to harass Russia with, that aren't in the budget.
[16:12]	DaemonFC	Or a trillion dollars to give to losers who studied bullshit at "college".
[16:13]	DaemonFC	Or bailouts for Tesla.
[16:14]	mixling	add to this budget, the influx of foreign cash, funneld through by NATO contributions, German chancellor Schols said "We owe our ally"
[16:14]	mixling	same with Tesla, and their "carbon certificates", it's alot of german cash too dumped into this
[16:15]	mixling	not accounted for with Biddlers budget
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[16:15]	mixling	let me say, NATO/USA isn't my ally
[16:15]	MinceR	we know, vladolf is your ally
[16:15]	mixling	and i am not an employer of RAND corp Pentagon either, for mjg59_ to inject his UEFI spyware into my systems
[16:15]	MinceR	an "ally" who will happily sacrifice you if it's convenient to him.
[16:16]	mixling	*employee
[16:16]	mixling	MinceR: i don't consider Vlad an ally either
[16:16]	mixling	and i don't owe him nor Ukraine anything either
[16:16]	mixling	Zelensky isn't my friend, add to this
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[16:17]	mixling	as I tried to explain, the NVA weapons stockpiles vanished, and i didn't join military anymore with access to it
[16:18]	mixling	hence, i could blather all day long, it's not relevant, it's not a language understood
[16:18]	mixling	however, what they would understand, if any IBM Wintel office in east-germany was set on fire
[16:19]	geert	some people these days dont *want* to get much about *reality* if they dont consider it according 'their agenda'
[16:19]	mixling	and the corrupt media-apparatus, all foreign-agents thrown out of government
[16:19]	geert	like e.g. eu kinda more 'communist' than russia atm
[16:19]	geert	probably some goons wana barf me into 'putin idoliser' stating such obvious facts
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[16:22]	MinceR	geert: how do you define 'communist'?
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[16:25]	geert	MinceR putting stuff like 'general deficiencies' in state of law change proposals
[16:25]	geert	EU is literally trying to get such DDR like stuff installed at the very moment
[16:26]	geert	well maybe not anymore at the verymoment, i didnt exactly got to check today, nevertheless..
[16:26]	MinceR	uh huh
[16:27]	geert	yea i got kind of shocked getting to know about it
[16:27]	geert	and guess what, dutch prime minister mark rutte got frontrunning that @#$ misery
[16:28]	geert	and i personally got to find out BEFORE trying to push that through in EU scale, he got some @#$@$# done in NL which is plain illegal pretty much coupe d'etat stuff
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[16:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	germany was friends with the usa, britain and russia in wwii
[16:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	they invaded russia, and usa and britain invaded them
[16:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	they also invaded britain
[16:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	friendship is military
[16:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	dear fraulein celestia...
[16:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	today we made "friends" with france
[16:48]	DaemonFC	Saying JavaScript is bad for your security makes you a transphobe according to mjg59_.
[16:48]	DaemonFC	Am I worried that SeaMonkey could potentially have security problems? Not terribly. Most JavaScript is blocked. What else would be hammering on a security vulnerability that got overlooked in backports from Gecko?
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[17:19]	DaemonFC	mjg59_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxDaiyREBPw
[17:19]	TR Bot	https://invidio.xamh.de/watch?v=wxDaiyREBPw
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[17:25]	mixling	this will take some time, to unlearn Vim, and learning vis
[17:27]	mixling	i'll like vis i think, it's easy to compile/link statically too
[17:28]	mixling	syntax highlighting is missing still, vis should have this too
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[17:31]	mixling	seems this is what lua LPeg are fore
[17:33]	mixling	anyway, decision is made: Vim removed.
[17:40]	XRevan86	> like e.g. eu kinda more 'communist' than russia atm
[17:40]	XRevan86	In a good way or a bad way? (:
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[17:52]	mixling	allright, next i'll test vis-editor compilation with tcc-toolchain
[17:52]	mixling	shouldn't be too problematic
[17:54]	mixling	and all this, can fully be detangled from GNU-buildsystem... i see
[17:54]	MinceR	XRevan86: in an unintelligible way
[17:54]	mixling	because, that's another huge challange, removal of both GNU-toolchain AND their buildsystem
[17:55]	XRevan86	MinceR: That's the best way. GNU is also more "Communist" than bananas.
[17:55]	MinceR	:>
[17:55]	MinceR	what's the difference the crodocile?
[17:55]	MinceR	it's longer than green.
[17:55]	MinceR	s/doc/cod/
[17:55]	mixling	vis is the default editor of Oasis Linux, interesting... however, i am even more radical than the Oasis Linux project
[17:56]	MinceR	tubular!
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[17:56]	mixling	their tree will be extremely helpful, yet i'll settle with a profile tracked with gentoo tooling first, to avoid some particular trouble makers which are still hiding inside the Oasis
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[17:56]	mixling	and then, fork the Oasis tree
[17:57]	mixling	i mean, imagine this, if an entire *nix workstation distro, including all development tooling, compiles in a few minutes, on some tinies ARM SBC or similar
[17:57]	MinceR	and then takes a decade to do anything else
[17:58]	mixling	is it my fault i have to remove 40years of clusterfuck made in USA?
[17:58]	MinceR	it is your fault you get rid of all optimizations
[17:59]	mixling	what argument are you provoking here?
[17:59]	MinceR	you've said multiple times that you don't care about how the code generated by the compiler performs, only that it should compile as quickly as possible
● Sep 19
[18:00]	MinceR	on the long term, this will waste a lot of time
[18:00]	mixling	never said this
[18:00]	MinceR	uh huh
[18:00]	MinceR	you slammed gcc for taking more time to produce better code
[18:00]	mixling	i said tcc-toolchain operates closer to the optimum with the trade-off of compile-time and run-time performance
[18:00]	MinceR	yeah, because that "optimum" is to waste run time to save compilation time
[18:01]	mixling	gcc doesn't produce "better" code, it produces faster binaries with EXTREME costs involved elsewhere
[18:01]	MinceR	apparently
[18:01]	XRevan86	mixling: "never said this" <- Seriously?
[18:01]	XRevan86	Ye discussed this *with me*! Not even with MinceR!
[18:01]	XRevan86	MinceR: Kudos for paying attention.
[18:01]	MinceR	:>
[18:03]	mixling	you don't know what you're talking about
[18:04]	mixling	i got an idea, if i fork Oasis, i'll call my distro Paradise Linux
[18:05]	mixling	latest greatest kernel version aimed at being v2.4
[18:05]	XRevan86	mixling: "BaphometOS" sounds more like ye.
[18:06]	MinceR	i think it's "Paradise" because nobody is allowed in
[18:06]	XRevan86	MinceR: Or because it's too perfect to exist?
[18:06]	mixling	currently, i am forced to roll along with two profiles:
[18:06]	mixling	1) gcc47 c-only, let's say this is BaphometOS, which is doomed for all eternity
[18:07]	mixling	2) tcc-toolchain, which is Paradise
[18:07]	MinceR	Dimension of the Doomed
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[18:11]	XRevan86	https://bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-19/europe-gas-drops-as-nations-ramp-up-measures-to-ease-crisis
[18:11]	TR Bot	- Are you a robot?
[18:11]	TR News	UK monarchs wanted to feel powerful again, shut down the stores for half a day for no good reasons (even places that vend foods). Way to terrorise the peasants...
[18:13]	geert	well trying to install 'general deficiencies' in serious state of law proposals seems pretty clear to me
[18:13]	geert	some people apparently want in on the DDR action by acting as if they dont understand
[18:13]	geert	if comes to facts, science etc. its not just very clear, even very easily proven and WAY beyond 'collectively admitted and understood'
[18:14]	XRevan86	https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/09/19/kommersant-tired-of-news-and-lacking-other-options-russians-are-spending-more-time-watching-youtube "Tired of news and lacking other options, Russians are spending more time on YouTube"
[18:14]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[18:14]	XRevan86	https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/09/19/dnr-and-lnr-public-chambers-call-for-referendums-on-russian-annexation "DPR and LPR public chambers call for referendums on Russian annexation"
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[18:15]	XRevan86	https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/09/19/south-ukraine-nuclear-plant-shelled-by-russia-enerhoatom-news "South Ukraine Nuclear Plant shelled by Russia - Energoatom"
[18:15]	TR Bot	 . 
[18:15]	XRevan86	https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/09/19/osce-employee-sentenced-to-13-years-of-imprisonment-over-high-treason-charges-in-lpr-news "OSCE employee sentenced to 13 years of imprisonment over high treason charges in LPR"
[18:15]	TR Bot	 . 
[18:16]	XRevan86	https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/09/19/moscow-legislator-alexey-gorinovs-7-years-long-sentence-over-army-discrediting-charges-reduced-by-one-month-news "Moscow legislator Alexei Gorinovs 7-year-long sentence over army discrediting charges reduced by one month"
[18:16]	TR Bot	 . 
[18:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	GNU is also more "Communist" than bananas. <- as communist as gnunited fruit
[18:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	stallman is the chiquita gnuisance 
[18:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	it's longer than green. <- and stronger than dirt
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[18:18]	TR Bot	 Promo sprint in Saumur
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[18:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	<MinceR> yeah, because that "optimum" is to waste run time to save compilation time <- whats funny though is hes describing an interpreter but keeps calling it a compiler
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[18:18]	geert	the facts are very clear XRevan86, without corruption disguised as if legit NATO trying to get rid of ru mil basis @ sebastopol, trying to basically run anti ru agenda over the back of ua, crimea wouldnt even been annexed by this day
[18:19]	starstreak	haha kiwifarms got hacked and check out the drama: https://twitter.com/keffals/status/1571576231073644544
[18:19]	TR Bot	After the site was compromised and user data leaked due to bad coding by Joshua Moon, Kiwi Farms users are turning https://t.co/N48hrkhjA8
[18:19]	TR Bot	After the site was compromised and user data leaked due to bad coding by Joshua Moon, Kiwi Farms users are turning https://t.co/N48hrkhjA8
[18:19]	geert	and lets try not talk shit, if one try the same to the usa, reaction would have been more agressively
[18:19]	geert	not probably, but very sure
[18:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	(in fact tcc has gone as far as promoting itself as useful as a "scripting" language)
[18:19]	geert	so to just watch annexation and say thats proof of ru agression, is just wanting in on illegal criminal shit 
[18:19]	geert	and imnot even saying it pro russia
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[18:20]	MinceR	word salad
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[18:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	<MinceR> word salad <- what herr doktor said?
[18:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	more like turd salad
[18:20]	XRevan86	geert: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kharkiv_Pact
[18:20]	TR Bot	 Kharkiv Pact - Wikipedia
[18:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	haha kiwifarms got hacked <- hey yo, get out the way, yo-- biggie smalls just got shot!
[18:21]	geert	besides, criminal corrupt warmongerer crap disguised as if legit NATO wanted rid of RU basis @ sebastpol where from serious mil perspective, only relatively small distance to the east on the other side of kerch strait (maybe not spelled correctly) RU got soil on black sea, meaning strategically with todays tech its practically bullying what those corrupt goons tried regarding that basis
[18:21]	MinceR	highest_cubist_thrills: no, unless he has taken to using 2 clients at the same time
[18:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	wouldnt put it past him
[18:22]	geert	yea yea supposedly smart asses act as if they dont understand by calling things word salad from which meaning is pretty easily derived
[18:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	he might need to setup another motorola cluster for that though
[18:22]	XRevan86	geert: I don't understand what ye are saying.
[18:22]	geert	i bet if i get to ask non native english students from country like .fr or .es age 14 to explain what it means >80% could
[18:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	(which i still think is a cool idea, but like any computing innovation its slightly less cool when nazis do it)
[18:22]	geert	so i dont care much about word salad pretenses
[18:22]		*XRevan86 shrugs.
[18:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	edwin black says ibm stole punched cards from the census bureau
[18:23]	MinceR	you evidently also don't care about grammar or spelling
[18:23]	MinceR	or being understood
[18:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	i guess the census bureau stole them from jaquard
[18:23]	geert	yea so what? understanding isnt so difficult as you try hide behind and im not paid for spelling /grammar
[18:23]	geert	facts prevail fuck the bullshit
[18:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	my grammar uses a walking frame
[18:23]	MinceR	what are you paid for?
[18:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	im largely sympathetic to blacks claims, but im still pedantic after all
[18:24]	geert	Truth. actually people ask me things to get serious answers
[18:24]	geert	and even on a level that most people fail comprehend
[18:24]	MinceR	who's paying you?
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[18:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	WHO DOES NUMBER 2 WORK FOR
[18:24]	MinceR	highest_cubist_thrills: number 1
[18:25]	MinceR	that's easy
[18:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	hehe
[18:25]	geert	first you might try admit its not just word salad, it got meaning to it, which you DO understand
[18:25]	geert	then maybe i get to explain you
[18:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	dr attack surface
[18:25]	geert	im not your little pony, so i dont have to give you some look into my wallet
[18:25]	MinceR	geert: seems to me you're the only one here who understands any of your longer messages
[18:25]	geert	by the way, youd be seriously shocked im practically sure but that i keep as teaser so to speak
[18:26]	geert	no it dont seem that to you, youre outright lying coz i know you got to derive the meaning from that what you called 'word salad'
[18:26]	geert	youre simply outright lying
[18:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	"this mitigation prevents artbirary code running from a 'buffer overflow' from accessing gadgets in ram. thats why i call this mitigation 'bananarama'"
[18:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	"PFFFT"
[18:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	"what?"
[18:26]	geert	maybe some goon in here think they can believe that
[18:26]	XRevan86	https://nitter.it/JuliaDavisNews/status/1571712271063072773
[18:26]	TR Bot	Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "Meanwhile in Russia, more of the usual: nuclear threats against Germany and Britain, cautioning NATO against going into Ukraine. This directly clashes with their lies, constantly spewed by state TV, that Russia is already at war with NATO & "uniformed NATO troops" are in Ukraine."|nitter.it
[18:27]	TR News	[pull] amdgpu, amdkfd, radeon drm-next-6.1 - Alex Deucher https://lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/20220916153638.6501-1-alexander.deucher@amd.com/ Source: amd | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/20220916153638.6501-1-alexander.deucher@amd.com/
[18:27]	TR Bot	 [pull] amdgpu, amdkfd, radeon drm-next-6.1 - Alex Deucher
[18:27]	MinceR	looks like putler can't keep his lies straight
[18:27]	geert	lol Xrevan86 if you did some serious research, you knew about supposedly legit NATO missile systems aimed at RU with warhead systems replacable within seconds to nuclear warheads
[18:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats one of the ways people detect liars
[18:27]	MinceR	how did such a piss-poor liar get to run an empire?
[18:27]	geert	even before the crap over the back of ua started
[18:27]	TR News	"In a previous blog post I looked into converting a custom markup text format into "proper" PDF and epub documents. The format at the time was very simple and could not do even simple things like italic text. At the time it was ok, but as time went on it seemed a bit unsatisfactory." https://nibblestew.blogspot.com/2022/09/diving-deeper-into-custom-pdf-and-epub.html
[18:27]	TR Bot	 Nibble Stew: Diving deeper into custom PDF and epub generation
[18:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	its easier at least, to keep the truth straight
[18:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	sometimes its complicated, but bullshit tends to be moreso (systemd, debian ctte, gnome)
[18:28]	geert	so xrevan86 meaning you simply pro warmongerer
[18:28]	XRevan86	https://nitter.it/JuliaDavisNews/status/1571861129390948356
[18:28]	TR Bot	Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "Top propagandist on Russian state TV urges for more strict measures to prevent additional military retreats: on-the-spot trials "for traitors, deserters and anyone who gets scared." He sounds quite peeved about the situation with drones. Head of RT chimes in to praise the gov't."|nitter.it
[18:28]	XRevan86	https://nitter.it/JuliaDavisNews/status/1571878236212035586
[18:28]	TR Bot	Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "While the world is witnessing the immense scale of Russia's war crimes in Ukraine and the humanitarian catastrophe caused by Putin's invasion, top state TV propagandist has the audacity to claim that Russia is conducting "a humanitarian operation" in Ukraine."|nitter.it
[18:28]	MinceR	also, it's surprising how many ruscists we get
[18:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	i mean theyre everywhere
[18:28]	TR News	Authorities in Iran must keep the [I]nternet accessible in Saqqez https://www.accessnow.org/iran-keep-internet-accessible/ Source: AccessNow | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.accessnow.org/iran-keep-internet-accessible/
[18:28]	TR Bot	 Authorities in Iran must keep the internet accessible in Saqqez
[18:28]	MinceR	i didn't realize TR was such an important nexus of international politics advocacy
[18:28]	geert	i dont care bullshit xrevan86, just like regarding the 'opcw hack', easily proven bullshit which people tried call legit intel/security defense
[18:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	and theyre automatically banned from libera (not an endorsement) unless theyve taken over
[18:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	if libera.chat turns out to be kremlin based i WILL be surprised, but it will still be funny
[18:29]	geert	you dont need try convince me, you cannot. i already got some facts this straight, and this for sure, that none of your bullshit get in between
[18:29]	MinceR	one would think vladolf can't afford to pay that many web brigadiers anymore, with their economy in ruins and rubbles not being worth anything anymore
[18:29]	geert	you actually need serious facts to get in between, which you dont have regarding that matter proving me wrong
[18:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	i didn't realize TR was such an important nexus of international politics advocacy <- it isnt, this is where the "loser" ruscists go
[18:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	implying (facetiously) that theres another type
[18:29]	MinceR	"facts" are more impressive when people reading them can understand them
[18:29]	MinceR	highest_cubist_thrills: :>
[18:29]	geert	lol mincer, if you knew some about mil tactics, you knew that if thats true, ru would been pushed back long ago already
[18:30]	geert	so well, you simply wana back warmongerer nasty crap i guess
[18:30]	TR News	The "soul" is Microsoft proprietary software and Microsoft censorship http://smallcultfollowing.com/babysteps/blog/2022/09/19/what-i-meant-by-the-soul-of-rust/
[18:30]	TR Bot	 Baby Steps
[18:30]	XRevan86	MinceR: "also, it's surprising how many ruscists we get" <- Strangely enough, none of them are Russian.
[18:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	do you think theyre all german?
[18:30]	MinceR	must be putler's buddies lending their propaganda networks
[18:30]	geert	well xrevan86 the facts are very simple, none of goons can ever change it, they want to yes, but they cannot
[18:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	well, some are american
[18:30]	MinceR	probably built along the orcish model
[18:30]	MinceR	after all, ruscism was exported successfully
[18:31]	MinceR	so why not the web brigades
[18:31]	XRevan86	geert: I can say the same thing.
[18:31]	TR News	show
[18:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	stallman has biolabs!
[18:31]	TR News	"In this video, I am going to show an overview of Solus GNOME 4.3 and some of the applications pre-installed." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=uHY5WibOsns
[18:31]	MinceR	maybe if XRevan86 said it, it would be intelligible
[18:31]	TR Bot	 Solus GNOME 4.3 overview | Designed for Everyone. - Invidious
[18:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	bkuhn missed that one
[18:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	it was so obvious though
[18:31]	XRevan86	The economy of Russia is not quite in ruins, it's in peril though.
[18:32]	TR News	"The Tiny Pilot Voyager 2 is a very impressive Raspberry Pi project" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=1eoeK2tTDGQ
[18:32]	TR Bot	 Tiny Pilot Voyager 2 - Remotely Manage your Server Quickly and Easily - Invidious
[18:32]	MinceR	yeah, i know, they can still sell some fossil fuels somewhere
[18:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	sometimes if you milk it too hard, it just cant do anything after that
[18:32]	MinceR	probably can't build pipelines to india or red china though
[18:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	... a friend says
[18:33]	TR News	How GULAG is KILLING your AD BLOCKERS and tracker blockers with Manifest v3 - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=8KWCLhHrblE | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/8KWCLhHrblE
[18:33]	TR Bot	 How Google is KILLING your AD BLOCKERS and tracker blockers with Manifest v3 - Invidious
[18:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me thinks china is more of a radish state
[18:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	im not planning to use that much, i do think its amusing though
[18:34]	XRevan86	MinceR: The natural gas export got wrecked because of Russia's actions to attempt to make the EU cower in fear and back off.
[18:35]	XRevan86	It's harming Russia greatly but it's able to make that sacrifice, at least in the short-term.
[18:35]	TR News	"Imagination is Demonic." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snhV1owGCSM
[18:35]	TR Bot	https://invidious.flokinet.to/watch?v=snhV1owGCSM
[18:35]	TR Bot	invidious.flokinet.to | Yep. Imagination is Demonic. (Unironically) - Invidious
[18:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	save our economy, buy putlin a coffee
[18:36]	MinceR	XRevan86: yeah, orcland is able to strangle itself, apparently
[18:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	like michael hutchence
[18:36]	MinceR	mainly because putler doesn't give a fuck about what happens to his subjects
[18:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	what happened to the economy
[18:37]	XRevan86	MinceR: Yes, but also, the economy is not in ruins just yet.
[18:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	"it sank"
[18:37]	XRevan86	Really don't know in what way NATO was supposed to destroy the Black Sea fleet.
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[18:37]	MinceR	highest_cubist_thrills: i just call red china what usians called it before they became dependent on them and afraid of them :>
[18:37]	TR News	Crystal Linux | An Upcoming Arch Distro - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=xpMeN7lB7bE | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/xpMeN7lB7bE
[18:37]	TR Bot	 Crystal Linux | An Upcoming Arch Distro - Invidious
[18:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	fair point
[18:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	red wal mart
[18:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	red apple (sort of obvious)
[18:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	"made in red china"
[18:38]	AdmFubar	https://krita.org/en/item/intel-becomes-first-krita-development-fund-corporate-gold-patron/
[18:38]	TR Bot	 Intel Becomes First Krita Development Fund Corporate Gold Patron | Krita
[18:38]	XRevan86	But I don't expect gert to provide evidence.
[18:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	it could be radish, but i suppose its reddish
[18:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	also reddit
[18:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	happy shiny people following the coc
[18:39]	XRevan86	Or explain the thought in a way that can be understood.
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[18:39]	MinceR	https://nitter.it/insultsrare/status/1571595272420982786
[18:39]	TR Bot	insults (@insultsrare): ""|nitter.it
[18:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me swore geert was herr doktor, but maybe hes a friend 
[18:39]	mixling	currently, the increased prices for gas, supposedly benefit russian income and military
[18:39]	mixling	according to several discussions on german TV
[18:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	"comenzie to techrights, they are stupid and we can teach them"
[18:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	"ja wohl"
[18:40]	MinceR	oh yes, orcland gets lots of money for gas they don't sell
[18:40]	MinceR	that's how it works, you know
[18:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	they should do like usa did in the 70s
[18:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	LIMITED EDITION gas
[18:40]	mixling	simple reason for this: the german-russian contracts set a minimum-delivery and cash-flow
[18:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	collectors edition
[18:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	while supplies last!
[18:40]	TR News	 (NEW): Videos: GNOME, Crystal Linux, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Videos_GNOME_Crystal_Linux_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Videos_GNOME_Crystal_Linux_and_More.gmi 
[18:40]	mixling	even when, for the sake of climate, imports of russian gas into germany/eu lowered, the cash-flow remains
[18:41]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Videos: GNOME, Crystal Linux, and More
[18:41]	MinceR	i bet they get paid double for the gas they flare at portovaya
[18:41]	mixling	in parallel, too Putin planned to deliver _more_ gas to China
[18:41]	MinceR	yeah, planned
[18:41]	mixling	meanwhile, german industry argues, costs in germany were too high, and they had to outsource even more manufacturing, to wherever, China
[18:41]	MinceR	we'll see if the european companies that have the technology will be willing to help them build a pipeline to red china
[18:42]	mixling	which is, good for climate, as usual, of cause
[18:42]	MinceR	when they're actually banned from doing so
[18:42]	MinceR	i won't hold my breath
[18:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	the eu has changed its mind before
[18:42]	MinceR	yeah
[18:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	though this doesnt seem high on the list of possibilities
[18:42]	mixling	MinceR: there are already two pipelines, i read, Siberian pipeline 1 and 2
[18:42]	MinceR	i'm sure they're currently unused
[18:43]	XRevan86	mixling: "currently, the increased prices for gas, supposedly benefit russian income and military" <- Nope.
[18:43]	mixling	no, China rejected and raised veto against those sanctions
[18:43]	TR News	Oh god, Python! ...I mean the programming language. gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1133
[18:44]	XRevan86	Russia is not capable of selling natural gas under market prices right now.
[18:45]	mixling	gas/energy market is a long-term prospect one, not some short-term shitcoin gambling business, as EU wishthinked it was at their "EU trading hub"
[18:45]	TR News	"Technology does seem to me to be neutral -- it doesn't know right or wrong and doesn't care whether it's nailing a nail or hammering a fly. On the other hand, users aren't neutral, because they can choose what to do with the tools at hand." gemini://siiky.srht.site/philosophy/re-tech-and-conscience.gmi
[18:45]	MinceR	orcland has no long term prospects
[18:45]	MinceR	i doubt any human does
[18:46]	MinceR	the best orcs can hope for is to survive as a colony of red china
[18:46]	XRevan86	The current crisis needs a short-term solution, so I don't get mixling's poibt.
[18:46]	MinceR	it's just baseless hope
[18:48]	XRevan86	https://turmush.kg/ru/news:1805821 Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan signed a peace treaty.
[18:48]	TR Bot	 Turmush: 
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[19:11]	mixling	germany: delivery of another 14 heavy tank howitzer to ukraine
[19:11]	mixling	in parallel: 300meters off-target heavy artillery projectile smashed nearby a nuclear plant in ukraine
[19:12]	mixling	can't grasp this, the policy of german arms deliveries is: "no weapons supplies into conflict regions"
[19:12]	starstreak	ronnie staph ur tramatizing me
[19:14]	XRevan86	mixling: Aren't ye concerned about stopping the people who do things like https://pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/09/19/7368045/ ?
[19:14]	TR Bot	 Invaders hit South Ukraine Nuclear Power Plant ? Energoatom | Ukrainska Pravda
[19:14]	mixling	XRevan86: i have another theory with the "retreat" of russian military, which is winter season
[19:14]	mixling	i don't think, Putin is in a hurry, to issue more warnings over Ukraine
[19:15]	mixling	since this escalated 2014 already, who knows how long the conflict prevails
[19:15]	XRevan86	I did say that Putin is banking a lot on the winter season.
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[19:16]	XRevan86	It is unlikely that we will see any significant combat during winter, but the effort will be spent on trying to undermine the effort to help Ukraine.
[19:16]	XRevan86	And depending on how that goes, the outcome will be determined.
[19:17]	mixling	don't forget Poland (who typically follow along with similar sentiments to the ones from Ukraine)
[19:17]	mixling	just recently, Poland, again, demanded WW2 reparations
[19:17]	XRevan86	"who typically follow along with similar sentiments to the ones from Ukraine" <- Don't really see that.
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[19:18]	mixling	out of curiosity, what for? given many regions of modern Poland are/were German they, Poland, were generously compensated with.
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[19:18]	XRevan86	Germany has already stated that the debt's been paid.
[19:18]	mixling	XRevan86: Poland equally became hysterical over Nordstream pipelines, similar to Ukraine, and transit fees
[19:19]	mixling	remembering this, given some of my relatives were deported from their homelands (nowadays Czech republic and Poland), that's a fourth expropriation i almost forgot
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[19:20]	mixling	if deportations were considered expropriations
[19:20]	mixling	let's not split hairs over this
[19:21]	XRevan86	mixling: Nord Stream-2 didn't have many allies. Poland and Ukraine obviously weren't, but so weren't many other countries.
[19:21]	starstreak	ronnie stahp
[19:22]	mixling	i don't remember either, my grandfathers who lost their mothers during WW2 when they were young (12-14 years old), they never asked for reparations from anyone
[19:22]	XRevan86	I don't really know why Russia cares about Nord Stream-2 right now. I suspect a display of power, would look good on TV.
[19:24]	TR News	Andrew should have been arrested along with Bill Gates. Guess who got arrested. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=niKzVnaoK5s
[19:24]	TR Bot	 'Andrew, you're a sick man': police drag heckler from crowd during Queen's procession - Invidious
[19:24]	mixling	the other irony is probably this, it is supposedly me who had to pay reparations or what? with what? i was expropriated twice already, and another excess inflation hike
[19:25]	XRevan86	Nord Stream-2 is going to Germany just like Nord Stream, but Nord Stream is shut down on a whim, so there's no practical reason to want Nord Stream-2 in operation.
[19:26]	mixling	Ukraine demands reparations from Russia, Poland demands reparations from Germany...
[19:26]	XRevan86	Nord Stream-2 was manufactured to dodge transit through Ukraine (Druzhba), but right now Druzhba is the only pipeline Russia is actually keeping in operation because it *doesn't* go to Germany.
[19:26]	TR News	Crime committed? But shagging underage girls? We the taxpayers pay for it. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=9YSie19OACI see https://www.irishexaminer.com/world/arid-40809225.html
[19:26]	TR Bot	 Man Calls Prince Andrew 'Sick Old Man' During Royal Procession - Invidious
[19:26]	TR Bot	 'Are the British public ultimately paying for Andrew to avoid appearing in court?'
[19:26]	mixling	and the transit pipelines in ukraine and poland are supposedly disconnected too
[19:27]	mixling	to settle this conflict, Nordstream operation is crucial, and then discuss reparations separately, or terminate all talks
[19:27]	XRevan86	"because it *doesn't* go to Germany" <- That is, right now it doesn't.
[19:27]	mixling	to my understanding, Putin wasn't willing to negotiate anymore
[19:29]	XRevan86	mixling: Negotiations are a weird beast right now, there's no common ground that is even possible between the two sides.
[19:29]	XRevan86	Ukraine wants Putin to scram, Putin wants to conquer as much as possible.
[19:29]	mixling	in the end, i had not received salary for almost two decades of work
[19:29]	mixling	a salary by typical german standards
[19:30]	mixling	i spare you the details, what the "explanations" for this were supposed to be
[19:30]	mixling	"east german" "unproductive" dumb fuck, that's the typical discussion here
[19:30]	mixling	or the feminist equal pay one, immigrants and whatnot
[19:30]	XRevan86	Zelensky did suddenly say that the Crimea dispute can be resolved diplomatically, I read that as a bone that's thrown to Putin.
[19:31]	XRevan86	To maybe find that common ground.
[19:31]	XRevan86	But I don't think Putin is humiliated enough to pick it up just yet.
[19:31]	TR News	Don't use Apple crap at all. A real watch lasts years without charge/battery change. https://www.maketecheasier.com/apple-watch-low-power-mode/
[19:31]	TR Bot	 How to Use Low Power Mode on Apple Watch - Make Tech Easier
[19:32]	TR News	Gemini search gemini://tozip.chickenkiller.com/2022-09-19-search.gmi
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[19:32]	mixling	i don't consider Putin/Russians being the aggressor in this case, nor the trouble source; doesn't make me an ally of anyone either, it's just another perspective
[19:33]	TR News	"Today is a bank holiday so I was free from work. Sadly it was due to the Queen's funeral. So of course, I felt obliged to watch as I did some Scout digital stuff. As ever with these things, there is a lot of nonsense." gopher://sdf.org:70/0/users/stug/phlog/20220919.txt
[19:33]	mixling	germany: "missing 40000 teachers" staff... as far as i am concerned, another -1 of myself, i'll not lecture any of the mob who offered nothing but insults and disrespect in return
[19:34]	XRevan86	"I don't consider Putin/Russians being the aggressor in this case, nor the trouble source" <- I absolutely do.
[19:34]	TR News	 (NEW): Kubuntu: Plasma 5.26 Beta available for testing http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Kubuntu_Plasma_5_26_Beta_available_for_testing.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Kubuntu_Plasma_5_26_Beta_available_for_testing.gmi 
[19:34]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Kubuntu: Plasma 5.26 Beta available for testing
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[19:37]	TR News	Today a young Brit will face a royal CoC (Code of Conduct). "Andrew" the 'prince' can screw girls, but you only face charges for shouting at "Andrew" the 'prince' for screwing girls...
[19:39]	TR News	In a similar vein, in FOSS/tech the CoC is protecting vulnerable minorities such as Google and Microsoft... from people who 'HECKLE' them over their war crimes, corruption etc.
[19:39]	TR News	 (NEW): Looking at Wayland terminal emulators http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Looking_at_Wayland_terminal_emulators.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Looking_at_Wayland_terminal_emulators.gmi 
[19:39]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Looking at Wayland terminal emulators
[19:41]	TR News	A prelude to Web censorship by Google: "The Chrome Root Program ultimately determines which website certificates are trusted by default in Chrome, and enables more consistent and reliable website certificate validation across platforms." https://blog.chromium.org/2022/09/announcing-launch-of-chrome-root-program.html Google: IMPERIALISM PRIVATISED
[19:41]	TR Bot	 Chromium Blog: Announcing the Launch of the Chrome Root Program
[19:42]	mixling	the recent numbers cited: Poland demands more than 1billion (US trillion) from germany, Ukraine demands 0.3Billion (US trillion) from russia, reparations
[19:42]	TR News	Fedora at OpenAlt 2022 | Brno hat https://eischmann.wordpress.com/2022/09/19/fedora-at-openalt-2022/ Source: | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//eischmann.wordpress.com/2022/09/19/fedora-at-openalt-2022/
[19:42]	TR Bot	 Fedora at OpenAlt 2022 | Brno hat
[19:42]	mixling	given this, US budget is filled by payments for gas... this might explain why gas prices explode beyond good and evil
[19:43]	mixling	-US, Russian budget
[19:44]	TR News	Google = gatekeeper for lies. I remember when it used to have a search engine that tried to return results useful to you, not useful to those in power
[19:44]	mixling	hence, gas/energy which doesn't exist cannot be sold, nor consumed, nor taxed, and accounted for with reparations either, the most recent one
[19:45]	mixling	another reason why, it's probably best, to disconnect Druzhba
[19:45]	TR News	"PDF files were designed to promote sharing. Everyone can open themin their web browser if they have nothing else. Linux lets you manipulate, merge, and split PDF files on the command line." https://www.howtogeek.com/827186/how-to-make-and-combine-pdf-files-on-the-linux-command-line/
[19:45]	TR Bot	 How to Make and Combine PDF Files on the Linux Command Line
[19:46]	mixling	in Greece, the government there boiled up the reparations argument whenever there was an opportunity too
[19:47]	mixling	and recently, some newspapers reported they burned energy bills there... i see
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[19:47]	mixling	with USA, they utilize the "carbon certificate" and NATO budget, to re-route cash into their pockets
[19:47]	TR News	Google (Gulag) and Web security are opposites. Owing to Chrome, the Web itself has become antithetical to security.
[19:48]	mixling	and a similar mindset and explanation involved... 
[19:48]	mixling	they're just not demanding reparations, they discuss "anti-semitism" and "racism" instead, and "democracy" of theirs, why they supposedly defended
[19:49]	mixling	*which
[19:49]	mixling	by coincidence, Ukraine,Poland whom did they ally with? USA
[19:49]	TR News	Meh. Twitter is a waste of time. It's a bot farm. Designed to make you FEEL like your time is not wasted. https://cosimameyer.com/post/curating-r-ladies-twitter-account-a-fun-ride/
[19:49]	TR Bot	 Curating R-Ladies' Twitter Account - A Fun Ride!
[19:49]	TR News	"Unfortunately for us, rgb doesnt correspond to how we truly sense colour. It was designed for the convenience of use with electrical equipment." https://finnstats.com/index.php/2022/09/16/lab-to-delta-e-conversion-in-r/
[19:50]	TR Bot	to Delta E conversion in R finnstats
[19:50]	TR News	trolling or trawling? https://datawookie.dev/blog/2022/09/squares-spirals/
[19:50]	mixling	and in germany, we got a government here, and a media apparatus, industry CEOs, who are they? "atlantic bridge" washington minions
[19:50]	TR Bot	 Squares & Spirals
[19:51]	TR News	Bloomberg promoting mass surveillance everywhere you go https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-08-27/what-does-a-digital-city-look-like-in-the-metaverse
[19:51]	TR News	"Rigorous math proves neural networks can train on minimal data, providing new hope for quantum HEY HI and taking a big step toward quantum advantage" https://discover.lanl.gov/news/0823-quantum-ai
[19:51]	TR Bot	- Are you a robot?
[19:51]	TR Bot	 Quantum AI breakthrough: theorem shrinks appetite for training data | Discover Los Alamos National Laboratory
[19:52]	TR News	Decoding Canine Cognition https://news.emory.edu/features/2022/09/er_decoding_canine_cognition_14-09-2022/ Source: Yahoo News | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//news.emory.edu/features/2022/09/er_decoding_canine_cognition_14-09-2022/
[19:52]	TR Bot	 Decoding Canine Cognition
[19:53]	TR News	"Many people dont realize: Transitioning Ethereum to proof-of-stake (PoS) an alternative to proof-of-work (PoW) mining for reaching consensus on blocks of transactions was an insane feat." https://a16zcrypto.com/what-the-merge-means/ price collapsed since
[19:53]	TR Bot	 What The Merge Means - a16z crypto
[19:53]	TR News	Vapourware https://www.seas.harvard.edu/news/2022/09/harvard-and-aws-launch-alliance-advance-research-quantum-science
[19:53]	TR Bot	 Harvard and AWS launch alliance to advance research in quantum science
[19:54]	TR News	"Richard Rusczyk, founder of Art of Problem Solving, has a vision for bringing joyous, beautiful math and problem-solving to classrooms everywhere." https://www.quantamagazine.org/richard-rusczyk-is-a-math-evangelist-who-preaches-problem-solving-20220913/
[19:54]	TR Bot	 Quanta Magazine
[19:55]	TR News	Simulation aids the search for the origin of cosmic rays - Newsportal - Ruhr-Universitt Bochum https://news.rub.de/english/press-releases/2022-09-13-astrophysics-simulation-aids-search-origin-cosmic-rays | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//news.rub.de/english/press-releases/2022-09-13-astrophysics-simulation-aids-search-origin-cosmic-rays
[19:55]	TR Bot	 Simulation aids the search for the origin of cosmic rays - Newsportal - Ruhr-Universitt Bochum
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[19:57]	TR News	"Be honest for once": cost of secret trials rises as Government covers-up Timor spying fiasco - Michael West https://michaelwest.com.au/cost-of-secret-trials-rises-as-government-covers-up-timor-spying-fiasco/ Source: Michael West Media | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//michaelwest.com.au/cost-of-secret-trials-rises-as-government-covers-up-timor-spying-fiasco/
[19:57]	TR Bot	 "Be honest for once": cost of secret trials rises as Government covers-up Timor spying fiasco - Michael West
[19:58]	TR News	BillBC will start covering up for high-profile pedophiles when it stops hiring them and taking bribes from them. Unless then, taxpayers should avoid paying it a penny.
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[20:00]	TR News	Falk Lines: Information Commissioner fights for the right to hide information indefinitely, que? - Michael West https://michaelwest.com.au/information-commissioner-angelene-falk-fights-to-delay-fois-indefinitely/ Source: Michael West Media | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//michaelwest.com.au/information-commissioner-angelene-falk-fights-to-delay-fois-indefinitely/
[20:00]	TR Bot	 Falk Lines: Information Commissioner fights for the right to hide information indefinitely, que? - Michael West
[20:02]	MinceR	19 201401 < XRevan86> mixling: Aren't ye concerned about stopping the people who do things like https://pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/09/19/7368045/ ?
[20:02]	TR Bot	 Invaders hit South Ukraine Nuclear Power Plant ? Energoatom | Ukrainska Pravda
[20:03]	MinceR	he believes his faith in putler will protect him from radiation sickness
[20:03]	schestowitz-TR	he is a heavy smoker
[20:03]	schestowitz-TR	he does not value health
[20:03]	TR News	1.64.0 pre-release testing | Inside Rust Blog https://blog.rust-lang.org/inside-rust/2022/09/19/1.64.0-prerelease.html Source: Rust Blog | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.rust-lang.org/inside-rust/2022/09/19/1.64.0-prerelease.html
[20:03]	TR Bot	 1.64.0 pre-release testing | Inside Rust Blog
[20:05]	TR News	 (UPDATED): KDE Announces "Plasma Bigscreen" for TV UI, Brings 5.26 Beta http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/16/KDE_Announces_Plasma_Bigscreen_for_TV_UI_Brings_5_26_Beta.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/16/KDE_Announces_Plasma_Bigscreen_for_TV_UI_Brings_5_26_Beta.gmi 
[20:05]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines KDE Announces "Plasma Bigscreen" for TV UI, Brings 5.26 Beta
[20:06]	AdmFubar	they are such geniuses!!!! https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/sep/19/iphone-14-pro-max-camera-optical-image-stabilisation-motor
[20:06]	TR Bot	 Bug in iPhone 14 Pro Max causes camera to physically fail, users say | Apple | The Guardian
[20:08]	schestowitz[TR]	Matthew Garrett (@mjg59): "httpMatthew Garrett (@mjg59): "https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;search?q=%22guest+post+by+ryan%22+site%3Atechrights.org - this isn't some random dude, Roy posts his content frequently. Roy&#x27;s fully aware of his transphobia, he just doesn&#x27;t care."|nitter.it https://nitter.eu/mjg59/status/1571588634733875205 Source:  | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https
[20:08]	schestowitz[TR]	%3A//nitter.eu/mjg59/status/1571588634733875205s:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;search?q=%22guest+post+by+ryan%22+site%3Atechrights.org - this isn't some random dude, Roy posts his content frequently. Roy&#x27;s fully aware of his transphobia, he just doesn&#x27;t care."|nitter.it https://nitter.eu/mjg59/status/1571588634733875205 Source:  | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//nitter.eu/
[20:08]	schestowitz[TR]	mjg59/status/1571588634733875205
[20:08]	TR Bot	Garrett (@mjg59): "https://www.google.com/search?q=%22guest+post+by+ryan%22+site%3Atechrights.org - this isn't some random dude, Roy posts his content frequently. Roy's fully aware of his transphobia, he just doesn't care."|nitter.it
[20:08]	schestowitz[TR]	you are a sick man, mjg59_ 
[20:08]	schestowitz[TR]	now you try to publicly hold me accountable for people I don't agree with
[20:08]	schestowitz[TR]	go seek help
[20:09]	schestowitz[TR]	you've also confirmed the purpose of your presence here
[20:09]	schestowitz[TR]	a snake and troll
[20:09]	schestowitz[TR]	DaemonFC is what you cherry-pick
[20:09]	schestowitz[TR]	DM (@Dewix888): "Mostly Microsoft using various forms of corruption, coercion - anti-competitive measures (expand, embrace &amp; Extinguish) to ensure thier products are the defacto standard. http:&#x2F;&#x2F;techrights.org&#x2F;2019&#x2F;11&#x2F;09&#x2F;christian-ude-on-microsoft&#x2F;"|nitter.it
[20:10]	schestowitz[TR]	twitter= ok with microsoft boosters
[20:10]	schestowitz[TR]	bans microsoft critics
[20:10]	schestowitz[TR]	takes bribes from gates and microsoft
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[20:16]	mixling	"Poland and Balticum close borders to Russia"
[20:17]	MinceR	[insert half-hour rage about how poland and the baltic states are pure evil]
[20:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-18.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-19.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[20:22]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR]: Sorry, do you disagree that you're aware of Ryan's transphobia?
[20:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	Matthew Garrett (@mjg59): "httpMatthew Garrett (@mjg59): "https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;search?q=%22guest+post+by+ryan%22+site%3Atechrights.org - this isn't some random dude, Roy posts his content frequently. Roy&#x27;s fully aware of his transphobia, he just doesn&#x27;t care."|nitter.it https://nitter.eu/mjg59/status/1571588634733875205 Source:  | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/v
[20:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	he just cant help himself
[20:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	this is how he saves the world, by stopping a blogger from reposting content from a guy he thinks is a dick
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[20:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	join me twitter! lets harass someone into not reposting tech articles on a tech blog!
[20:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	see if it works
[20:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	poor mjg, this is a guy who makes every ddos into a badge of honour
[20:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	if you cancel him now he will be stronger than ever before
[20:27]	schestowitz[TR]	schestowitz[TR]> garrett: I hold free speech dear...ly
[20:27]	schestowitz[TR]	<schestowitz[TR]> I censor people and their tech articles
[20:27]	schestowitz[TR]	<schestowitz[TR]> because... something unrelated
[20:27]	schestowitz[TR]	<schestowitz[TR]> and I also troll irc network
[20:27]	schestowitz[TR]	<schestowitz[TR]> trolling is 'free speech'
[20:27]	schestowitz[TR]	<schestowitz[TR]> and I really like free speech
[20:27]	schestowitz[TR]	<schestowitz[TR]> I even send lawyers to attack people over their speech
[20:27]	schestowitz[TR]	<schestowitz[TR]> you have the brain of a banana split... it doesn't work
[20:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	well, lessig did similar
[20:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	i honestly think mjg was a bit of a copycat with that
[20:27]	schestowitz[TR]	mention corruption in some org
[20:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	he said "im a teacher, this affects my students"
[20:27]	schestowitz[TR]	trolls change the subject to... genders
[20:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	the lessig interview said the same
[20:28]	schestowitz[TR]	not a coincidence
[20:28]	schestowitz[TR]	it's a method
[20:28]	schestowitz[TR]	<schestowitz[TR]> must have struck a nerve lately
[20:28]	schestowitz[TR]	<schestowitz[TR]> LF?
[20:28]	schestowitz[TR]	<schestowitz[TR]> SFC?
[20:28]	schestowitz[TR]	<schestowitz[TR]> The trolling intensified
[20:28]	schestowitz[TR]	<schestowitz[TR]> trolling in IRC =  free speech
[20:28]	schestowitz[TR]	<schestowitz[TR]> writing technical articles = "hate"
[20:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	a lot of the gender conversation is valid though
[20:28]	schestowitz[TR]	not for this channel
[20:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	when both of you bullshit someone, you start with a kernel of truth
[20:28]	schestowitz[TR]	not relevant
[20:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	sure it is
[20:28]	schestowitz[TR]	to techrights?
[20:28]	schestowitz[TR]	how is this relevant?
[20:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	yes
[20:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	well its funny because
[20:28]	schestowitz[TR]	it's a edge
[20:28]	mixling	nope MinceR, i am removing GNU-buildsystem and GNU-toolchain meanwhile
[20:28]	schestowitz[TR]	not related to tyech at all
[20:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	not only are there other reasons
[20:29]	mixling	currently hacking lua buildsystem to avoid those
[20:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	but you MAKE it relevant when you do articles on this very thing
[20:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	once its a trope of cancel culture
[20:29]	schestowitz[TR]	I don't write about this
[20:29]	schestowitz[TR]	ever
[20:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	it became relevant
[20:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	im confident i can find examples
[20:29]	schestowitz[TR]	I mentioned it 15 years ago
[20:29]	schestowitz[TR]	when trolls in sites like linsux and USENET defamed me
[20:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	well 15 years ago is more than never
[20:29]	schestowitz[TR]	saying I had cut offf my dick
[20:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	i think it was more recent
[20:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	like past couple years
[20:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	at any rate, people are going to talk about discrimination in tech
[20:31]	schestowitz[TR]	anyway, back to tech now
[20:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	some people will do it because it matters
[20:31]	XRevan86	https://nytimes.com/2022/09/18/us/womens-march-russia-trump.html
[20:31]	TR Bot	 How Russian Trolls Helped Keep the Womens March Out of Lock Step - The New York Times
[20:31]	schestowitz[TR]	there is disrimination
[20:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	others will weaponise it-- which you have absolutely written about
[20:31]	schestowitz[TR]	motly against women and minorities
[20:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	and when you write about how they weaponise it
[20:31]	schestowitz[TR]	there are many of them
[20:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	theyre going to come and say "no we dont"
[20:31]	schestowitz[TR]	the troll;s doen't focus on women
[20:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	theyre lying
[20:31]	schestowitz[TR]	they hardly focus on minorities
[20:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	but its a predictable outcome
[20:31]	schestowitz[TR]	they focus on the edge cases
[20:32]	schestowitz[TR]	to provoke and get rude responses
[20:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	you dont have to tell me that people illigetimately weaponise legitimate social issues
[20:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	its a fact
[20:32]	schestowitz[TR]	anyway, biab
[20:32]	schestowitz[TR]	this is not on topic anyway
[20:32]	schestowitz[TR]	we got epo leaks
[20:32]	schestowitz[TR]	corruption has no gender
[20:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	electric patent orchestra
[20:33]	schestowitz[TR]	"All the Appellant in the internal appeals registered under the numbers RI/2022/011-00 to RI/2022/011-39, RI/2022/011-41 to RI/2022/011-058 received an e-mail from the IAC Secretariat asking their view on the possible initiation of a test-case procedure. The answer should be sent by the 14 September. These appeals challenge the general decision of the education and childcare reform. Considering the complex aspects of the reform SUE
[20:33]	schestowitz[TR]	PO TH advises you to answer along the lines indicating below. The following text may be used as model when replying to the IAC Secretariat.
[20:33]	schestowitz[TR]	"
[20:33]	schestowitz[TR]	we have a big series coming soon
[20:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats what she said
[20:34]	schestowitz[TR]	datz sexist
[20:35]	schestowitz[TR]	wow, twitter is so dead
[20:35]	schestowitz[TR]	I just spent 20 minutes
[20:35]	schestowitz[TR]	looking at 10 days  of  notifications in 2 accounts
[20:35]	schestowitz[TR]	it's like half the life in that site, bots included, has vanished
[20:35]	schestowitz[TR]	becoming  a ghost town within moonths
[20:35]	schestowitz[TR]	mastodon the same
[20:35]	schestowitz[TR]	apparwently FB
[20:35]	schestowitz[TR]	but I'm not there
[20:35]	schestowitz[TR]	it's dsocial control media as a whole that's collapsing
[20:36]	schestowitz[TR]	is anything of value happening in diaspora?
[20:36]	schestowitz[TR]	the major pods are not big
[20:36]	schestowitz[TR]	not after some shut down
[20:37]	schestowitz[TR]	https://the-federation.info/node/diasp.de
[20:37]	TR Bot	 the federation - a statistics hub
[20:37]	schestowitz[TR]	80
[20:37]	schestowitz[TR]	Monthly users
[20:37]	schestowitz[TR]	diasp.de
[20:37]	schestowitz[TR]	Last 6 months active users: 172
[20:37]	schestowitz[TR]	less than half
[20:37]	schestowitz[TR]	https://the-federation.info/diaspora
[20:37]	TR Bot	 the federation - a statistics hub
[20:37]	AdmFubar	https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/09/17/how-clever-mechanics-keep-50-year-old-bart-trains-running-windows-98-ebay-and-scraps/
[20:37]	TR Bot	 50-year-old BART: How clever mechanics use Windows 98 and eBay
[20:37]	schestowitz[TR]	#  of nodes doing down
[20:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	wow, twitter is so dead <- i dont agree
[20:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	anyone left doing free software uses it
[20:38]	schestowitz[TR]	active users falling
[20:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	but then again, dead from dead is dead so
[20:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	you may have a point
[20:38]	schestowitz[TR]	it's relative
[20:38]	schestowitz[TR]	it used to be big 5 years ago
[20:38]	MinceR	why would anyone interested in free software use shitter?
[20:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats what she said
[20:38]	schestowitz[TR]	twitter evn made first-ever profit that year
[20:38]	MinceR	it's not free, it's not even lightweight
[20:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	<MinceR> why would anyone interested in free software use shitter? <- why would anyone wishing to suruve the next 10 years invade ukraine?
[20:39]	schestowitz[TR]	https://the-federation.info/
[20:39]	TR Bot	 the federation - a statistics hub
[20:39]	MinceR	it's a wretched hive of corporate SJWs
[20:39]	schestowitz[TR]	diaspora is down, down, down
[20:39]	schestowitz[TR]	FB is so down even FB admits this to shareholders... years late
[20:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	diaspora never could get it up
[20:39]	schestowitz[TR]	https://the-federation.info/mastodon
[20:39]	TR Bot	 the federation - a statistics hub
[20:40]	schestowitz[TR]	I should take some screenshots
[20:40]	schestowitz[TR]	of these graphs
[20:41]	schestowitz[TR]	it's a JS bloat
[20:41]	schestowitz[TR]	not real web pages
[20:41]	schestowitz[TR]	also very slow to load
[20:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	<MinceR> it's not free, it's not even lightweight <- youre saying twitter is non-free
[20:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	im aware of this
[20:42]	schestowitz[TR]	mastodon.social almost a million usrrs
[20:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	github is also non-free, but gnu uses it
[20:42]	schestowitz[TR]	it's not decentralised
[20:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	i think shitter is bullshit
[20:42]	MinceR	gnu is dead
[20:42]	schestowitz[TR]	the lion's share of users remained in one place or few
[20:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	<MinceR> gnu is dead <- i know
[20:42]	MinceR	and shitter is more of interest to the enemies of free software than to the community
[20:43]	schestowitz[TR]	one quarter of all users gets controlled by one person
[20:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats also true
[20:43]	schestowitz[TR]	or few mods
[20:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	and shitter is more of interest to the enemies of free software than to the community <- using shitter is a dumb idea
[20:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	yet even the people who are too wise to use github
[20:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	still use shitter
[20:43]	schestowitz[TR]	in mastodon.social only a quarter fo the user remains active
[20:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	it has not offended them sufficientl
[20:43]	MinceR	hopefully the community is not only such unwise people
[20:44]	schestowitz[TR]	based on 6 months 
[20:44]	schestowitz[TR]	wow, or 7% based on this past month
[20:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	<MinceR> hopefully the community is not only such unwise people <- the community is also dead, so
[20:44]	schestowitz[TR]	so only 1 in 12 users in mastodon.social is active this month
[20:44]	schestowitz[TR]	this is dying fast
[20:44]	schestowitz[TR]	better drop it like a hot place
[20:44]	schestowitz[TR]	*plate
[20:44]	schestowitz[TR]	it's going nowher fast
[20:45]	schestowitz[TR]	I wonn't do a post with screenshoits though as it would be like kicking a FOSS project while it's down
[20:45]	schestowitz[TR]	or "bashing" it
[20:45]	schestowitz[TR]	that's how people see it
[20:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	or kicking a puppy
[20:45]	schestowitz[TR]	diaspora and mastodon are dying projects
[20:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	die-aspora
[20:45]	schestowitz[TR]	the twitter and FB users leave... but not flocking to the fake promise of 'open' networks
[20:46]	schestowitz[TR]	that shut down, censor, won't let you download/move your data...
[20:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	I wonn't do a post with screenshoits though as it would be like kicking a FOSS project while it's down <- sympathy is foolish
[20:46]	schestowitz[TR]	it's twitter also
[20:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	antisocial media (including dumbarsepora and masturdon) featured prominently in the coup
[20:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	and theyre good for little else
[20:46]	schestowitz[TR]	February 
[20:46]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2022/02/10/social-control-media-bubbles/
[20:46]	TR Bot	 Social Control Media is a Bubble and JoinDiaspora Might be the Next Casualty | Techrights
[20:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	dont kick it when its down, take it out back and shoot it
[20:47]	schestowitz[TR]	aged well
[20:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	like a sick horse
[20:47]	schestowitz[TR]	because  FB collapsed
[20:47]	schestowitz[TR]	80% fall I heard
[20:47]	schestowitz[TR]	and twitter is in chaos
[20:47]	schestowitz[TR]	due to musk
[20:47]	schestowitz[TR]	and its own whistleblower
[20:47]	schestowitz[TR]	the users don't turn to diaspora and mastodon
[20:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	i think shitter has recovered from musk, you just dont have a new story about it so youre stretching it out
[20:47]	schestowitz[TR]	they just get on with life... real life
[20:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	like musk is still relevant to any of this
[20:48]	schestowitz[TR]	no
[20:48]	schestowitz[TR]	many left
[20:48]	schestowitz[TR]	and never came back
[20:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	this is becoming a techrights trope
[20:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	many left!
[20:48]	schestowitz[TR]	twitter is still begging to sell
[20:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	dead real soon now!
[20:48]	schestowitz[TR]	because it loses money adn has no futurr
[20:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	mldrsn
[20:48]	schestowitz[TR]	other than mass manipulators for hire
[20:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	you could practically change the name of techrights to
[20:49]	schestowitz[TR]	"vell his ded"
[20:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	many left dead real soon (rights)
[20:49]	schestowitz[TR]	we still have a TON of material on github
[20:49]	schestowitz[TR]	but pacing publication down
[20:49]	schestowitz[TR]	grvaeley got fired
[20:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	nobody cares
[20:49]	schestowitz[TR]	but I want the hard document
[20:50]	schestowitz[TR]	highest_cubist_thrills: microsoft care
[20:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats what...
[20:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	not even them
[20:50]	schestowitz[TR]	it's connected to github management
[20:50]	schestowitz[TR]	nat friendman is lawyering up
[20:50]	schestowitz[TR]	*friedman
[20:50]	schestowitz[TR]	sending material
[20:50]	schestowitz[TR]	for court cases
[20:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	good, maybe in a few years we will be joking #natfriedmandidntkillhimself
[20:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	i would laugh, but it wont change github is my point
[20:51]	schestowitz[TR]	these are ilk of mjg59_ 
[20:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	sort of
[20:51]	schestowitz[TR]	people who publicly advertise penis piercings and stuff
[20:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	definitely related
[20:51]	schestowitz[TR]	siock people who get naked at parties
[20:51]	schestowitz[TR]	but mjg59_ is not bothered by them
[20:51]	schestowitz[TR]	rms stares at peole
[20:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	people who publicly advertise penis piercings and stuff <- this is just your personal prudishness 
[20:51]	schestowitz[TR]	that's breaking boundaries
[20:52]	schestowitz[TR]	take it out on the asperger people
[20:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	its hilarious that you say gender isnt relevant but you think penis piercings are
[20:52]	schestowitz[TR]	not github ceo getting naked at parties
[20:52]	schestowitz[TR]	and making rape JOKES
[20:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me informs roy that aspies get genital piercings too
[20:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	i mean it really does have nothing to do with anything
[20:53]	schestowitz[TR]	the same person also had underage sex
[20:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	its a red herring
[20:53]	schestowitz[TR]	with the CEO of a company
[20:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	right
[20:53]	schestowitz[TR]	that na is deeply connected to
[20:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	but when corporations do it, no one cares
[20:53]	schestowitz[TR]	right
[20:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	bill gates: no one cares
[20:53]	schestowitz[TR]	that's my point
[20:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	stallman: only said something in email
[20:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	well i agree
[20:53]	schestowitz[TR]	mjg59_: omg, some guy wrote tech articles
[20:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	people are stupid
[20:53]	schestowitz[TR]	and i don't agree on biology, so omg omg omg
[20:53]	schestowitz[TR]	bill gates? meh, nothinh here
[20:54]	schestowitz[TR]	"I want my next 6-figure salary job"
[20:54]	mjg59_	Oh, so you think transphobia is just a disagreement about biology?
[20:54]	schestowitz[TR]	go write about bill gates
[20:54]	schestowitz[TR]	go ehad
[20:54]	schestowitz[TR]	I can give you pointers
[20:54]	schestowitz[TR]	show your social justice warmanship
[20:54]	mjg59_	I concentrate on the free software community because that's what matters most to me
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[20:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	you destroyed the community you care about
[20:55]	schestowitz[TR]	you find DaemonFC  more objectinable than bill gates?
[20:55]	schestowitz[TR]	go on
[20:55]	schestowitz[TR]	answer that
[20:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	if you dont see that youre as ridiculous as eric s raymond
[20:55]	MinceR	well, DaemonFC certainly pays him a lot less than gAIDS does
[20:55]	mib_7i0wf4	?
[20:55]	MinceR	so there's that
[20:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	with slightly different motives
[20:55]	schestowitz[TR]	hi, mib_7i0wf4 
[20:55]	mjg59_	daemonfc is part of the free software community, so I find his behaviour more relevant to things I care about than I do Bill Gates'
[20:55]	schestowitz[TR]	hahahhaa
[20:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	rofl
[20:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me calls bullshit
[20:55]	schestowitz[TR]	you are a liar and phony
[20:55]	schestowitz[TR]	bill gates attacks our commmunity
[20:55]	schestowitz[TR]	and has done this since the 70s
[20:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	actually we need a new breed of cattle to categorise this level of shit
[20:55]	mib_7i0wf4	bill gates is here?
[20:55]	schestowitz[TR]	go hide under a rock
[20:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	maybe monsanto can create one
[20:56]	schestowitz[TR]	mib_7i0wf4: no, his workers
[20:56]	mib_7i0wf4	oh
[20:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	#billgatesdidntkillhimself
[20:56]	schestowitz[TR]	mib_7i0wf4 is more afraid of DaemonFC  than from bill gates
[20:57]	schestowitz[TR]	oops
[20:57]	schestowitz[TR]	sorry, mjg59_ 
[20:57]	schestowitz[TR]	not mib_7i0wf4 
[20:57]	schestowitz[TR]	that's how absurb the argument became
[20:57]	mib_7i0wf4	oh okay
[20:57]	schestowitz[TR]	so he would pick on some unemployed guy in IL
[20:57]	schestowitz[TR]	but won't touch a person who attacked FoSS for 50 years
[20:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	hes more relevant
[20:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	somehow
[20:57]	schestowitz[TR]	and bribes all the major media
[20:57]	schestowitz[TR]	and I'm m,eant to think this makes sense
[20:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	he wont attack ibm for killing millions based on racism
[20:58]	mib_7i0wf4	what are yall talking about
[20:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	some idiot in irc talking about eugenics is more relevant
[20:58]	schestowitz[TR]	even mjg59_  would constipate on his own buillshit by now
[20:58]	mib_7i0wf4	what is irc
[20:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	maybe the fsf can give dfc a nobel peace software award
[20:58]	mib_7i0wf4	just report him to mibbit
[20:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	obvious troll is obvious
[20:59]	schestowitz[TR]	mib_7i0wf4: mibbit is a gateway for irc
[20:59]	schestowitz[TR]	the troll we deal with dos not use mibbit
[20:59]	schestowitz[TR]	he uses a Saudi site
[20:59]	schestowitz[TR]	to defame me
[20:59]	mib_7i0wf4	okay then report him to irc
[20:59]	schestowitz[TR]	saudi site
[20:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 23.71 k/sec., IPFS upstream 78.98 average k/sec., average swarm size 157.75
[20:59]	schestowitz[TR]	where women are beheaded for witchcraft
[20:59]	schestowitz[TR]	and men for not believing in god
[20:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	back real soon
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[20:59]	schestowitz[TR]	mib_7i0wf4: we are the network
[20:59]	schestowitz[TR]	irc is decentralie
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[21:00]	schestowitz[TR]	tthere is nobody to report to
[21:00]	schestowitz[TR]	*decentralised
[21:00]	schestowitz[TR]	he gets more protection in saudi twitter though
[21:00]	mjg59_	You literally run this server
[21:00]	mjg59_	It doesn't peer with anything else
[21:00]	mjg59_	It's not decentralised
[21:01]	mjg59_	You can kick me off here any time
[21:01]	schestowitz[TR]	then you will whine
[21:01]	mjg59_	Oh no
[21:02]	schestowitz-TR	you do;t understand the first amendement
[21:02]	schestowitz-TR	which applies to you
[21:02]	schestowitz-TR	not to me
[21:02]	schestowitz-TR	or section 230
[21:02]	mib_7i0wf4	i looked up irc and it doesnt say he owns it
[21:02]	schestowitz-TR	irc is softare
[21:03]	schestowitz-TR	ircd is a daemon that facilitates irc sessions
[21:03]	schestowitz-TR	and there are thousands of networks
[21:03]	schestowitz-TR	at least 500 large ones
[21:03]	schestowitz-TR	and they are separate
[21:03]	schestowitz-TR	anyoine can start one
[21:03]	schestowitz-TR	*anyone
[21:03]	mib_7i0wf4	so its basically discord without features
[21:03]	schestowitz-TR	unlike social control media or discord, there are no guilds
[21:03]	schestowitz-TR	all the networks stand on their own
[21:03]	schestowitz-TR	and might not rely on dns, either
[21:03]	schestowitz-TR	discord is centralised
[21:04]	schestowitz-TR	even if you think you use a "guild"
[21:04]	schestowitz-TR	they are controlled remoately
[21:04]	schestowitz-TR	same with matrix.org if I understand correctly
[21:04]	mib_7i0wf4	a guild is just a server right?
[21:04]	TR News	 (NEW): Inside the GTK font chooser http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Inside_the_GTK_font_chooser.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Inside_the_GTK_font_chooser.gmi 
[21:04]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Inside the GTK font chooser
[21:04]	schestowitz-TR	mib_7i0wf4: it is a virtual sub-scape
[21:04]	schestowitz-TR	still controlled by the same company
[21:04]	mib_7i0wf4	hunh
[21:05]	schestowitz-TR	which Microsoft wanted to buy at one point
[21:05]	mjg59_	schestowitz-TR: The 1st amendment constrains the government's ability to constrain my speech, not anyone else's
[21:05]	MinceR	tencent owns at least part of discord, inc.
[21:05]	TR News	radeonsi/vcn: Add ability to encode with ltr (!18219) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/18219?commit_id=9c5edda3ca29cd54fe7b57606878dc3e8702358f Source: freedesktop
[21:06]	TR Bot	 radeonsi/vcn: Add ability to encode with ltr (!18219) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab
[21:06]	MinceR	and the communist party of china controls tencent
[21:06]	mib_7i0wf4	not everyone lives in america so you have to consider the laws of everyone on the internet
[21:06]	MinceR	the laws of nature, the laws of man
[21:06]	mjg59_	schestowitz-TR: You blocking my speech in any way has nothing to do with the 1st amendment
[21:06]	schestowitz-TR	MinceR: that explains a lot
[21:06]	MinceR	this volatile paradox will never stand
[21:07]	mib_7i0wf4	well some people just use free speech for their toxic language and its just gone too far
[21:08]	mib_7i0wf4	1st amendment doesn't let you kill people
[21:08]	MinceR	"Guns don't kill people, I do!"
[21:08]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR]people who publicly advertise penis piercings and stuff
[21:08]	DaemonFC	Oh you mean a Prince Albert?
[21:08]	mib_7i0wf4	what
[21:08]	DaemonFC	Well, at least he didn't ascend to the throne.
[21:09]	TR News	"Take, for instance, the Kin, a social networking device which Microsoft spent a billion dollars developing just for it to be taken off the market after two months due to poor sales." https://www.inputmag.com/culture/aughts-gadgets-wikipedia-wikireader
[21:09]	TR Bot	 A ragtag community that updates this aughts Wikipedia gadget
[21:09]	mib_7i0wf4	guns do kill people
[21:09]	DaemonFC	Guns don't kill people.
[21:09]	mib_7i0wf4	then explain shootings
[21:09]	mib_7i0wf4	hint you cant
[21:09]	MinceR	people kill people
[21:09]	DaemonFC	Leave your goddamned hands in your own pockets and walk the other way and don't mug me, and you don't need to worry about me shooting you.
[21:09]	DaemonFC	You know? Free advice.
[21:10]	DaemonFC	That's the difference between a lawful gun owner like myself and some ghetto hood rat.
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[21:10]	mib_7i0wf4	well you are making it a race issue but okay
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[21:10]	DaemonFC	Randomly shooting up the neighborhood with an illegal machine gun that they got despite the FOID Act somehow.
[21:10]	mib_7i0wf4	foid?
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[21:11]	mib_7i0wf4	and being a lawful owner doesnt make it okay to kill people
[21:11]	mib_7i0wf4	not all blacks kill people with their guns
[21:11]	DaemonFC	highest_cubist_thrillshe just cant help himselfhighest_cubist_thrillsthis is how he saves the world, by stopping a blogger from reposting content from a guy he thinks is a dick
[21:11]	DaemonFC	Saw that. Yes, mjg59_ is kind of a sad strange little man.
[21:11]	TR News	 (NEW): YuzukiTsuru's Yuzuki Chameleon Pops an Allwinner H616 Chip Into a Raspberry Pi Model A Form Factor http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/YuzukiTsuru_s_Yuzuki_Chameleon_Pops_an_Allwinner_H616_Chip_Into.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/YuzukiTsuru_s_Yuzuki_Chameleon_Pops_an_Allwinner_H616_Chip_Into.gmi 
[21:11]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines YuzukiTsuru's Yuzuki Chameleon Pops an Allwinner H616 Chip Into a Raspberry Pi Model A Form Factor
[21:11]	DaemonFC	And he has my sympathy.
[21:12]	mib_7i0wf4	idk what happening but i think its all safe
[21:12]	mib_7i0wf4	just dont be a bigot is all
[21:12]	schestowitz[TR]	he is not trans, he is JUST USING TRANS PEOPLE... as a WEDGE
[21:12]	schestowitz[TR]	to advange his poor career
[21:12]	mib_7i0wf4	are yall talking about keffals?
[21:13]	mib_7i0wf4	hes not a guy
[21:13]	mib_7i0wf4	*she
[21:13]	DaemonFC	I'll bet he's an absolute delight at parties. "You're a transphobe! You're a racist! You're a strangler! You're a rapist! Oh, and did I tell you about my other friends from Microsoft? Oh Ryan thinks South Park is funny and that makes him worse than Hitler!" - mjg59_ 
[21:13]	schestowitz[TR]	there is name/word for this
[21:13]	schestowitz[TR]	but I forgot
[21:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	it should be familiar
[21:13]	DaemonFC	By transphobes, I mean Microsoft has transphobes who are in a position to do real damage and do real damage and want to and like it.
[21:14]	DaemonFC	And mjg59_ sucks up to THEM.
[21:14]	mib_7i0wf4	is he a transphobic?
[21:14]	schestowitz[TR]	graveley is relevant here
[21:14]	schestowitz[TR]	the things he said
[21:14]	schestowitz[TR]	manager of github copilot
[21:14]	schestowitz[TR]	of NO interest to mjg59_ 
[21:14]	DaemonFC	And when I say gee I just don't understand this and I'm mildly uncomfortable, but....I don't think we should do anything bad to trans people. I just think it's odd. He pounces.
[21:14]	DaemonFC	mjg59_ is pretty doubleminded.
[21:14]	schestowitz[TR]	mjg59_  is more afraid of DaemonFC  than of bill gates
[21:15]	MinceR	you might be giving mjg59_ too much credit there :>
[21:15]	mib_7i0wf4	is DaemonFC transgender?
[21:15]	schestowitz[TR]	half-minded
[21:15]	mjg59_	mib_7i0wf4: No, just transphobic
[21:15]	DaemonFC	I don't hate trans people.
[21:15]	schestowitz[TR]	mib_7i0wf4: you're new
[21:15]	mib_7i0wf4	yeah
[21:15]	schestowitz[TR]	so I wll give you dsome background
[21:15]	DaemonFC	I don't suggest anything bad should happen to trans people.
[21:15]	schestowitz[TR]	mjg59_ is a very confused person
[21:15]	schestowitz[TR]	and a troll
[21:15]	schestowitz[TR]	he helps mirosoft
[21:16]	mib_7i0wf4	didnt you say you support guns
[21:16]	schestowitz[TR]	and then hides behind minority groups
[21:16]	schestowitz[TR]	inc. trans people
[21:16]	mib_7i0wf4	oh
[21:16]	schestowitz[TR]	to attack people who criticise him
[21:16]	MinceR	i support guns
[21:16]	DaemonFC	mib_7i0wf4didnt you say you support guns
[21:16]	schestowitz[TR]	using straw man arguments
[21:16]	MinceR	humans are weak and fragile and so need guns
[21:16]	schestowitz[TR]	he is her in  irc because his time has NO VALUE
[21:16]	DaemonFC	I think everyone who isn't some sort of dangerous felon should open carry, including the trans people.
[21:16]	mib_7i0wf4	mjg59_: so you are a transgender?
[21:16]	schestowitz[TR]	so instead of getting shit done he is tryint to waste ours
[21:16]	mjg59_	mib_7i0wf4: No, but my partner is
[21:17]	mib_7i0wf4	i dont think its safe to let transgenders hav eguns because they like to kill themselves DaemonFC 
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[21:17]	DaemonFC	You're barking up the wrong tree, dude. Instead of attacking me, why don't you find someone who actually honestly hates them?
[21:17]	MinceR	do you believe it's impossible to commit suicide without a gun?
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[21:17]	DaemonFC	MinceRdo you believe it's impossible to commit suicide without a gun?
[21:17]	TR News	Using the Linux apropos command even if you have to fix it first https://www.networkworld.com/article/3674136/using-the-apropos-command-even-if-you-have-to-fix-it-first.html
[21:17]	TR Bot	 Using the Linux apropos command even if you have to fix it first | Network World
[21:18]	DaemonFC	There's only about 999 other ways to kill yourself without a gun.
[21:18]	DaemonFC	Same as killing other people. Or a lot of people at once.
[21:18]	MinceR	pretty sure there are a lot more ways than that
[21:18]	mib_7i0wf4	well guns just give you another way
[21:18]	mib_7i0wf4	so it adds harm
[21:18]	MinceR	so do knives
[21:18]	MinceR	let's ban knives
[21:18]	TR News	9to5Linux always says "GNU/Linux". Techrights' influence;-) https://9to5linux.com/debian-gnu-linux-11-5-bullseye-released-with-53-security-updates-and-58-bug-fixes
[21:18]	DaemonFC	If a person hates others that bad, or wants to die that much, they'll figure it out without a gun.
[21:18]	techuser	I remember "dumb ways to die" ad
[21:18]	TR Bot	GNU/Linux 11.5 Bullseye Released with 53 Security Updates and 58 Bug Fixes - 9to5Linux
[21:18]	MinceR	so does falling off cliffs
[21:18]	mib_7i0wf4	well knives are illegal in some places
[21:18]	DaemonFC	Only an idiot wants to ban lawful gun ownership.
[21:18]	MinceR	let's ban the Earth
[21:18]	MinceR	u got a loicence for that planet, m8?
[21:18]	mib_7i0wf4	so its not that crazy
[21:18]	schestowitz[TR]	mib_7i0wf4: depends on the kkind of knives
[21:19]	schestowitz[TR]	usually based on blade, length, tipp
[21:19]	schestowitz[TR]	and grip
[21:19]	MinceR	one can commit suicide by drowning in DHMO
[21:19]	MinceR	let's ban DHMO
[21:19]	DaemonFC	Right this very minute, using only things from Walmart, you could build a device that kills or maims about 50 people if you plant it right.
[21:19]	DaemonFC	That's....more dangerous than a gun.
[21:19]	schestowitz[TR]	let's ban bridges
[21:19]	mib_7i0wf4	well that can be banned
[21:19]	DaemonFC	We need to ban London Bridges.
[21:20]	MinceR	a human could strangle you to death
[21:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-18.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-19.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[21:20]	MinceR	let's ban humans!
[21:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	mincer is a dhmo supremacist
[21:20]	DaemonFC	I hear they're falling down. Falling down. Falling down.
[21:20]	schestowitz[TR]	DaemonFC: they are above water
[21:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	and roy lets him chat in irc because he doesnt care
[21:20]	DaemonFC	Sounds like a safety problem to me. We need to figure this out.
[21:20]	schestowitz[TR]	not a good way to commit suicide
[21:20]	mib_7i0wf4	okay i get what you are trying to say but its not okay to give transgenders guns if they are just going to kill themselves
[21:20]	DaemonFC	And only then we should reopen them.
[21:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	but effective
[21:20]	schestowitz[TR]	the thames... unless you cannot swim
[21:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	us vs thames
[21:20]	mib_7i0wf4	also they can just built better bridges
[21:21]	MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_toxicity
[21:21]	TR Bot	 Oxygen toxicity - Wikipedia
[21:21]	MinceR	it's time to ban oxygen.
[21:21]	mib_7i0wf4	not funny
[21:21]	MinceR	maybe to you
[21:21]	schestowitz[TR]	and paracetamol 
[21:21]	schestowitz[TR]	you can buy it over the counter btw
[21:21]	schestowitz[TR]	they make limits
[21:21]	schestowitz[TR]	like 3 packsgs
[21:21]	schestowitz[TR]	so you go to 10 stores, get one pack in each
[21:21]	schestowitz[TR]	painful slow death, but gets the job done
[21:22]	schestowitz[TR]	and they only cost about 0.30 pounds
[21:22]	schestowitz[TR]	(don't try this at home!)
[21:22]	mib_7i0wf4	well this just turned into advocating suicide which is not cool
[21:22]	schestowitz[TR]	 but jumping into a sidewalk is a lot cheaper and faster
[21:22]	mib_7i0wf4	esp when we are talking about trans women
[21:22]	MinceR	ooh, another SJW
[21:22]	schestowitz[TR]	mib_7i0wf4: no
[21:22]	schestowitz[TR]	that's not what I did
[21:22]	MinceR	we were running out of them... wait, what am i talking about?
[21:22]	mib_7i0wf4	im not a sjw just because i believe in human rights
[21:22]	schestowitz[TR]	someone brought up suicicde, knives, bridges
[21:23]	techuser	why is it wrong to know suicide methods?
[21:23]	schestowitz[TR]	and I said it's easy to do that for those who want to
[21:23]	DaemonFC	Right now, I'm engaged in some discussions about SeaMonkey.
[21:23]	mib_7i0wf4	because its going to convince more suicidal people to kill themselves
[21:23]	MinceR	apparently self-defense is not a human right
[21:23]	techuser	some of us don't want to live anymore
[21:23]	schestowitz[TR]	frank sinatra stuffed his head in the oven
[21:23]	schestowitz[TR]	terrible idea
[21:23]	MinceR	owning knives is also not a human right
[21:23]	DaemonFC	It turns out there's a plan to fork it and make the fork run on Goanna.
[21:23]	mib_7i0wf4	and alot of tiems those people are trans or trans-affiliated
[21:23]	mib_7i0wf4	what
[21:23]	MinceR	having access to oxygen is not a human right
[21:23]	schestowitz[TR]	hanging is a technical task
[21:23]	mib_7i0wf4	yeah?
[21:23]	schestowitz[TR]	and need equipment
[21:23]	DaemonFC	Which would probably make it a lot more compatible with the "modern" Web than what it is right now, chasing Firefox around as they drop APIs the Suite needs.
[21:24]	schestowitz[TR]	(i'm not suicidal...  never was)
[21:24]	DaemonFC	The UX stuff is at least as important as the browser engine.
[21:24]	DaemonFC	Firefox is so incredibly dumbed down. It's horrible.
[21:24]	mib_7i0wf4	okay
[21:24]	mib_7i0wf4	just use chrome
[21:24]	DaemonFC	Then there's the issue of DRM.
[21:24]	schestowitz[TR]	DaemonFC: that's by design
[21:24]	schestowitz[TR]	managemene's ddirection
[21:24]	schestowitz[TR]	they killed off xul
[21:24]	MinceR	it is a testament to how stupid humans tend to be that many humans are still struggling with the concept of separating a human intentionally performing an act from a tool used to perform that act
[21:24]	techuser	I'm depressed because tech is worsening and idk what else to do
[21:24]	schestowitz[TR]	and decided moz knows best
[21:25]	DaemonFC	SeaMonkey doesn't want to support DRM anyway.
[21:25]	MinceR	and this is the species that advertises itself as "intelligent"
[21:25]	schestowitz[TR]	pocket, tracking, google by default..
[21:25]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR]: SeaMonkey may survive the death of Mozilla if there's enough people in the community interested in it.
[21:25]	schestowitz[TR]	techuser: dep[ends on tech is used or what tech
[21:25]	MinceR	and as being Earth life's best chance of salvation against natural disasters
[21:25]		*MinceR sneers
[21:25]	schestowitz[TR]	don';t use smart [sic] phones
[21:25]	DaemonFC	I don't think many people will be interested in picking up Firefox and running with it.
[21:25]	mib_7i0wf4	so if someone kills someone you dont make killing illegal?
[21:25]	schestowitz[TR]	or social control media
[21:25]	techuser	non-spying search engines turned out to be nonexistent anyway
[21:25]	techuser	DuckDuckGo failed. Did it meant to succeed initially?
[21:25]	DaemonFC	Maybe picking the carcass and transplanting what makes sense to into the Suite.
[21:25]	mib_7i0wf4	what about duckduckgo
[21:25]	mixling	techuser: you could try simple chess computers from the 1990s, and there's books to learn playing chess
[21:26]	schestowitz[TR]	DaemonFC: but gulag will still extend the web
[21:26]	schestowitz[TR]	so it'll be a battle to keep users
[21:26]	MinceR	i'd rather punish murder than pretend all killing is bad
[21:26]	schestowitz[TR]	people who need access to gov. sites, not just private sites like banks
[21:26]	schestowitz[TR]	mib_7i0wf4: duckduckgo is miceosoft
[21:26]	mib_7i0wf4	you cant just make it illegal without arresting the person
[21:26]	MinceR	curious
[21:26]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/wiki/DuckDuckGo
[21:26]	TR Bot	 DuckDuckGo - Techrights
[21:27]	MinceR	what planet are you from, where making laws works like that?
[21:27]	mib_7i0wf4	what
[21:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	then then during the third reconciliation of the last of the meketrex supplicants, mozilla chose a new form, that of a giant sloar! many shubs and zulls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of a sloar that day, i can tell you...
[21:27]	schestowitz[TR]	https://medium.com/codex/btw-you-should-use-arch-74f542c02f90
[21:27]	TR Bot	You Should Use Arch. And why you should consider using Linux | by Jonas Itt | CodeX | Aug, 2022 | Medium
[21:27]	mib_7i0wf4	nevermind
[21:27]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR]DaemonFC: but gulag will still extend the web
[21:27]	schestowitz[TR]	btw
[21:27]	schestowitz[TR]	today:
[21:28]	mib_7i0wf4	its just different when you are talking about guns and "free speech"
[21:28]	schestowitz[TR]	[gets link]
[21:28]	DaemonFC	Well, I mean, theoretically, you could make the Suite code run on Webkit with enough work.
[21:28]	DaemonFC	That would be.....odd.
[21:28]	schestowitz[TR]	<techrights-news> A prelude to Web censorship by Google: "The Chrome Root Program ultimately determines which website certificates are trusted by default in Chrome, and enables more consistent and reliable website certificate validation across platforms." https://blog.chromium.org/2022/09/announcing-launch-of-chrome-root-program.html Google: IMPERIALISM PRIVATISED
[21:28]	TR Bot	 Chromium Blog: Announcing the Launch of the Chrome Root Program
[21:28]	schestowitz[TR]	posted hours ago
[21:28]	schestowitz[TR]	by gulagblog
[21:28]	schestowitz[TR]	gulag becomes "king of www"
[21:28]	schestowitz[TR]	they decide which sites you can and cannot enter
[21:28]	schestowitz[TR]	in addition to isps, dns, clownflare..
[21:28]	mib_7i0wf4	well thats good so that people dont go to bad websites
[21:29]	schestowitz[TR]	the web is closing
[21:29]	schestowitz[TR]	and PCs become more restricted too
[21:29]	DaemonFC	I think that would be pretty cool, honestly, if someone was to do that. Port the UX of SeaMonkey and get it up and running with WebkitGTK and the Webkit2 API.
[21:29]	schestowitz[TR]	we need to help people escape both
[21:29]	mib_7i0wf4	what
[21:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	no, because they do not care
[21:29]	schestowitz[TR]	mib_7i0wf4: in saudi arabia bad web sites speak of women voting
[21:29]	mib_7i0wf4	just dont use the internet if you odnt like it
[21:29]	schestowitz[TR]	or... ANYONE voting :-)
[21:29]	schestowitz[TR]	(they doin't have elections)
[21:29]	mib_7i0wf4	well we are not in saudi arabia
[21:30]	schestowitz[TR]	some are
[21:30]	mib_7i0wf4	oh sorry to hear that
[21:30]	DaemonFC	But obviously it would require a huge internal rewrite to port over XUL to run somewhere because the Suite runs on it, internally, and the add-ons would all be broken and turn into WebExtensions.
[21:30]	mib_7i0wf4	they should just leave then
[21:30]	DaemonFC	So that would suck.
[21:30]	schestowitz[TR]	and if we start labelng sites "bad" and block then, it's a slippery slope
[21:30]	DaemonFC	A lot more than running on Goanna.
[21:30]	schestowitz[TR]	gulag does this by technical means
[21:30]	schestowitz[TR]	not legal means
[21:30]	schestowitz[TR]	not moral meanms
[21:30]	schestowitz[TR]	"this site is NOT MORAL." [GET ME OUT OF HERE] (button pressed)
[21:30]	mib_7i0wf4	its not hard to know whats bad
[21:30]	schestowitz[TR]	it is
[21:30]	mib_7i0wf4	everyone can feel whats good and whats bad its not that hard
[21:31]	schestowitz[TR]	not everyone thinks like you
[21:31]	schestowitz[TR]	no
[21:31]	schestowitz[TR]	like I said, cultures on this planet are diverse
[21:31]	mib_7i0wf4	well its a democracy
[21:31]	schestowitz[TR]	some places still headhunt
[21:31]	schestowitz[TR]	some eat dogs
[21:31]	schestowitz[TR]	some kill women for adultery
[21:31]	mib_7i0wf4	oh yeah china
[21:31]	schestowitz[TR]	some cults glorify suicide
[21:31]	mib_7i0wf4	heh yeah
[21:32]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR]some eat dogs
[21:32]	DaemonFC	Like MARISOL.
[21:32]	mib_7i0wf4	is that in venezuela?
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[21:32]	TR Bot	 How to Compress Image Files on Linux Using Curtail
[21:32]	DaemonFC	After dad kills it in the backyard, incompetently, and it whimpers until he hits it again a few times with the baseball bat.
[21:32]	DaemonFC	Right in front of the children.
[21:32]	schestowitz[TR]	in some parts of india you can get murdered for eating beef
[21:32]	schestowitz[TR]	because cows are holy
[21:32]	schestowitz[TR]	or more so if you SELL it
[21:32]	DaemonFC	mjg59_ doesn't really want to understand me.
[21:33]	mib_7i0wf4	all those kind of countries eat dogs just because they are poor like china,venezuela,north korea,cuba
[21:33]	DaemonFC	I don't want Mandy to ever have to go back there. It's the source of pretty much all of the serious trauma in his life.
[21:33]	schestowitz[TR]	if you knew someone next to you sold dogs as meat, you might expect someone to come with a gun and wipe out that person
[21:33]	DaemonFC	Nothing good ever happened to him there.
[21:33]	mib_7i0wf4	well you can just call the police
[21:33]	DaemonFC	But mjg59_ shakes hands with criminals and rapists who have ICE contracts.
[21:34]	mib_7i0wf4	what?
[21:34]	DaemonFC	Lots of ICE officers are Nazis because it's who is attracted to that sort of work.
[21:34]	mjg59_	(I don't)
[21:34]	DaemonFC	And they don't treat people like human beings.
[21:34]	schestowitz[TR]	the police is its own jar of worms
[21:34]	mixling	just curious, what is DaemonFC occupied with in Free/OpenSource software realm?
[21:34]	schestowitz[TR]	it's just another gang that might confront the gang you report to it
[21:34]	mib_7i0wf4	i dont think the government is nazis anymore
[21:34]	DaemonFC	mjg59_: You worked directly for these people for years.
[21:34]	DaemonFC	Your paychecks said GOOGLE.
[21:34]	mib_7i0wf4	they raided trump if you want proof, so why would they do it to themselves
[21:34]	DaemonFC	And you still use Microsoft Github.
[21:34]	DaemonFC	So if you had a big problem with it, you wouldn't have done that.
[21:35]	techuser	on suicide/murder topic also: what about euthanasia?
[21:35]	mib_7i0wf4	he got hacked?
[21:35]	DaemonFC	If a project uses GitHub, I don't communicate with them. I refuse to create an account there and use it on any level.
[21:35]	schestowitz[TR]	techuser: legit and hard question
[21:35]	mib_7i0wf4	well euthanasia is someones right
[21:35]	DaemonFC	The only reason why I have any dealings with the WebkitGTK people anymore is that they're still reachable over email and IRC.
[21:36]	mib_7i0wf4	lol who uses email
[21:36]	schestowitz[TR]	wait till 'linux' foundation adopts that too
[21:36]	schestowitz[TR]	LF is GitHub outsourcer
[21:36]	DaemonFC	If Apple is going to do issue tracking on Microsoft Github, then someone who has to use it anyway may as well report bugs for me.
[21:36]	schestowitz[TR]	sponored by gtihub 
[21:36]	schestowitz[TR]	AND microsoft
[21:36]	DaemonFC	But they've essentially lost a lot of valuable contributions from me because of the switchover.
[21:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	github servancy con
[21:37]	mib_7i0wf4	why do people use linux
[21:37]	mib_7i0wf4	it just makes your computer stop working
[21:37]	schestowitz[TR]	btw, how is the LF doing with mozill's pass-over?
[21:37]	schestowitz[TR]	not a word really
[21:37]	DaemonFC	Because I've done a lot of testing of Webkit to figure out where bugs are and backtrace them and report on this.
[21:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	i think passover is a word
[21:37]	schestowitz[TR]	apache software fdn is whwer projects came to die
[21:37]	schestowitz[TR]	now it's LF
[21:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	its been a word for quite some time
[21:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	the word eyeball has been a word ever since shakespeare coined it
[21:37]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.linuxfoundation.org/press-release/open-source-web-engine-servo-to-be-hosted-at-linux-foundation/
[21:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	he just made it up
[21:38]	TR Bot	 Open Source Web Engine Servo to be Hosted at Linux Foundation - Linux Foundation
[21:38]	DaemonFC	And that's not always something they could do with automated tools because sometimes you point the stupid thing at actual Web content someone wrote as a garbled mess and that's better than a fuzz tester.
[21:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	now its a word
[21:38]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.linuxfoundation.org/press-release/open-source-web-engine-servo-to-be-hosted-at-linux-foundation/
[21:38]	schestowitz[TR]	https://servo.org/
[21:38]	TR Bot	 Servo
[21:38]	DaemonFC	More often, banks and Microsoft Web sites will make the engine crash before fuzz testing reveals anything.
[21:38]	schestowitz[TR]	"GitHub"
[21:38]	schestowitz[TR]	in a big button at the top"
[21:38]	DaemonFC	Because it's all spaghetti code.
[21:38]	schestowitz[TR]	former: mozilla
[21:38]	schestowitz[TR]	now: Jim Zemlin's and Sheela Microsoft's GitHub Foundation
[21:38]	schestowitz[TR]	https://blog.servo.org/
[21:38]	TR Bot	 Servo Blog
[21:39]	DaemonFC	Microsoft 365's backend is so ugly that it relies on about 6 different servers running different operating systems and stuff to pull up a WebMail interface.
[21:39]	schestowitz[TR]	https://blog.servo.org/2020/11/17/servo-home/
[21:39]	TR Bot	 Servos new home
[21:39]	schestowitz[TR]	lol
[21:39]	schestowitz[TR]	last blog post, 2 YEARS ASGIO
[21:39]	schestowitz[TR]	it's dead, Jim
[21:39]	schestowitz[TR]	(not zemlin)
[21:39]	schestowitz[TR]	her husband, Sheela
[21:39]	DaemonFC	And it feeds in JavaScript that is seriously malformed.
[21:39]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2022/05/14/microsoft-breadwinner/
[21:39]	TR Bot	 Who Brings Home the Bacon (Revenue), Sheela or James (Jim)? | Techrights
[21:39]	schestowitz[TR]	so servo is dea
[21:39]	schestowitz[TR]	dead
[21:39]	schestowitz[TR]	well, it's dead
[21:39]	schestowitz[TR]	next: webkit
[21:39]	DaemonFC	Why do they care? Chromium runs it. Call it a day. Go strangle and rape someone, Alex.
[21:40]	schestowitz[TR]	when it's passed over to Jim Zemlin's and Sheela Microsoft's GitHub Foundation
[21:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	github webkit
[21:40]	DaemonFC	Thanks for attacking Ryan and not us, mjg59_ 
[21:40]	DaemonFC	Here's another paycheck.
[21:40]	schestowitz[TR]	highest_cubist_thrills: yes, I am aware
[21:41]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe bill said, "well, his dad"
[21:41]	schestowitz[TR]	what did Jeffrey's father do?
[21:41]	mib_7i0wf4	are you glorifying rape?
[21:41]	DaemonFC	I don't touch Chrome. The closes I get to Chrome is like maybe opening GNOME Web and paying my light bill and closing GNOME Web.
[21:41]	schestowitz[TR]	"""""""you've been a vewwwwy naughty boy"
[21:41]	schestowitz[TR]	<mib_7i0wf4> are you glorifying rape?
[21:42]	schestowitz[TR]	no, missing reference
[21:42]	schestowitz[TR]	background
[21:42]	DaemonFC	Like 99.9% of the Web still runs well enough in SeaMonkey that you just need to open some unpleasant GAFAM-ish browser to pay a light bill or your credit cards, and then close it again.
[21:42]	schestowitz[TR]	microsoft has a manager
[21:42]	schestowitz[TR]	or HAD a manager
[21:42]	schestowitz[TR]	for github copilot
[21:42]	schestowitz[TR]	he was a serial strangler of women
[21:42]	schestowitz[TR]	but mjg59_  refuses to mention it
[21:42]	schestowitz[TR]	he does not care about women
[21:42]	schestowitz[TR]	mjg59_: btw, Graveley also strangled trans women
[21:42]	schestowitz[TR]	just so you know
[21:42]	DaemonFC	Remember when the Web was so small that Mozilla Suite ran fine on a computer with at least 64 MB of RAM?
[21:42]	schestowitz[TR]	but you don't give a shit
[21:43]	psydroid2	Manager of Strangling Operations
[21:43]	schestowitz[TR]	he is of your circle
[21:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	while mjg figures prominently enough
[21:43]	DaemonFC	And Microsoft paid ZDNet to say that was software bloat?
[21:43]	schestowitz[TR]	trans asian women
[21:43]	schestowitz[TR]	strangled
[21:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	youre too quick to forget the other traitors
[21:43]	schestowitz[TR]	and mjg59_  doesn't give a shit
[21:43]	DaemonFC	Now Microsoft Edge takes like 8 or 9 GB to have your tabs open.
[21:43]	schestowitz[TR]	but obsesses over DaemonFC 
[21:43]	DaemonFC	That's not bloat, even though some Windows "11" computers only have 4 GB of RAM in them.
[21:43]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2021/12/08/balabhadra-alex-graveley-arrest-warrant-and-affidavit/
[21:43]	TR Bot	 [Teaser] Meet Microsofts Chief Architect of GitHub Copilot, Balabhadra (Alex) Graveley (Updated) | Techrights
[21:44]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2022/08/11/microsoft-stranglers/
[21:44]	TR Bot	 Microsoft GitHub Expos Part XXV Microsoft Employs Serial Strangler as a Manager, Running GitHub Copilot in Spite of Arrest for Assault on Women | Techrights
[21:44]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2022/08/13/github-vs-women-and-gpl/
[21:44]	TR Bot	 Official Copy Detailing Crimes of Microsofts Serial Strangler, Who is Trying to Strangle GPL Enforcement/Compliance With GPL-Violating Copilot | Techrights
[21:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	have fun with mjg but there are several more like him
[21:44]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2022/08/18/trial-of-alex-graveley/
[21:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	some might even be worse
[21:44]	TR Bot	 Trial of Microsofts Serial Strangler, Who Also Manages GitHubs Copilot | Techrights
[21:44]	DaemonFC	Not liking JavaShit "apps" that are there to record your keystrokes and mouse movement and passwords and store it on servers unknown makes you a transphobe.
[21:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	dont overstress that line
[21:44]	DaemonFC	JavaShit is "security". War is peace. Freedom is slavery. - mjg59_ 
[21:44]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2022/07/14/buried-or-spiked-alex-graveley-story/
[21:45]	TR Bot	 The Person Behind Microsofts GitHub/Copilot Does Not Want You to Know About $25,000 for Suffocating Asian Woman (Almost to Death), Repeatedly in Fact, and There Are Prior Victims Too | Techrights
[21:45]	schestowitz[TR]	"tiny asian women" -Graveley http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/alex-gravelet-page3.jpg
[21:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me thinks mjg downplays kuhns role (but perhaps not)
[21:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	(but probably, yeah)
[21:46]	DaemonFC	Even if the purpose of those "apps" was benign, like your bank trying to profile its Web site and find bugs in it, the fact that it's third party makes it dangerous. And it uses your system resources to operate, which makes it a parasitic script.
[21:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	and its not just kuhn either
[21:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	hes just fun to mention because hes trying to take over the movement he killed
[21:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	and rebuild it in his own image
[21:46]	schestowitz[TR]	revenue down
[21:46]	schestowitz[TR]	a lot
[21:46]	DaemonFC	They're not recording your session on their server and saving it on their own storage.
[21:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	fsf: free software started in the 1980s
[21:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	osi: in 1998
[21:46]	DaemonFC	If they were doing that, it would be no worse than the information they already have anyway.
[21:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	sfc: whenever we founded this piece of shit
[21:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	sflc: wait a goddamned minute
[21:47]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2022/09/14/sfc-income/
[21:47]	TR Bot	 Software Freedom Conservancys (SFC) Income Fell 63% After Working to Oust the Founder of the Free Software Foundation (FSF), Richard Stallman | Techrights
[21:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	mjg: what? how dare you! my mother was a saint!
[21:47]	schestowitz[TR]	lf: we started in 2000
[21:47]	schestowitz[TR]	when zemlin was unemployed a
[21:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	ish
[21:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	lf started in 2000 when it wasnt lf 
[21:48]	schestowitz[TR]	abut the name linux foundaiton started in 2007
[21:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	it started in both 2000 and 2007
[21:48]	schestowitz[TR]	when jimmy connected Torvalds to chose him over Stuart Cohen
[21:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	or maybe in the 1950s when all software was open source
[21:48]	schestowitz[TR]	(another Microsoft boot licker BTW)
[21:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	idk it means whatever you want it to mean
[21:48]	schestowitz[TR]	 /s/connected/conned/
[21:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	(you dont say)
[21:48]	DaemonFC	SeaMonkey is a lot of things all at once, really. It's based on parts and pieces of Firefox 1.5-2.0. But it's running a fork of Gecko that has basically the capabilities of Firefox 78 ESR and a tad more, grafted on to Gecko 56 to keep some APIs and XUL interfaces that it needs. And it runs in single-process mode. But it's using GTK3, but with the X11 backend.
[21:48]	DaemonFC	So I need to use it with XWayland, which is fine.
[21:49]	schestowitz[TR]	in the 1950s was it on cards yet?
[21:49]	schestowitz[TR]	like the ibm machines?
[21:49]	DaemonFC	It's getting complex to the point of a small group of people who even understand it all anymore.
[21:49]	DaemonFC	And they're getting older.
[21:49]	schestowitz[TR]	1940s: mechanical machins, not computers
[21:49]	DaemonFC	And if someone doesn't step in and maintain this eventually, years down the road, it may very well die.
[21:50]	schestowitz[TR]	ibm allready talks of gtk5
[21:50]	schestowitz[TR]	qt6 is proprietary. too
[21:50]	DaemonFC	But most of the SeaMonkey developers agree with me that Firefox, especially the UX and spyware, is a raging dumpster fire.
[21:50]	schestowitz[TR]	complexity as vendor lockin is an issue more people graspm now
[21:50]	DaemonFC	And Mozilla harasses them by throwing them out of their infrastructure and forcing them to spin off into a separate legal entity.
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[21:51]	DaemonFC	At first, the Suite was still officially Mozilla software.
[21:51]	DaemonFC	But that's not true anymore.
[21:51]	schestowitz[TR]	mozills runs out of money
[21:51]	schestowitz[TR]	it passes its money intoa  private bank account
[21:51]	schestowitz[TR]	over 15 million in baker's cocount
[21:51]	schestowitz[TR]	she's too old to even spend that kind of money
[21:51]	schestowitz[TR]	so she is clinically broken
[21:51]	DaemonFC	MARISOL
[21:51]	schestowitz[TR]	in the head
[21:51]	DaemonFC	MARISOL Baker
[21:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	1940s: mechanical machins, not computers <- thats a completely stupid thing to say
[21:52]	mixling	dumping shitcoins isn't a challenge
[21:52]	mixling	i had some ideas
[21:52]	mixling	a working netsurf-motif port
[21:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	they were absolutely computers
[21:52]	schestowitz[TR]	highest_cubist_thrills: no cpi
[21:52]	schestowitz[TR]	*cpu
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[21:52]	schestowitz[TR]	and not programmable
[21:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	so they werent von neumann architecture
[21:52]	schestowitz[TR]	starstreak btw
[21:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	how many decades will you be a tech blogger and ignore the basics
[21:53]	DaemonFC	MARISOL lost at least $25,000 that she had speculatively invested in Bitcoins.
[21:53]	DaemonFC	Possibly more.
[21:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	 and not programmable <- computers do not have to be programmable
[21:53]	schestowitz[TR]	"invested"
[21:53]	DaemonFC	I don't know whether she's panicked and sold them at a loss to get out.
[21:53]	starstreak	schestowitz[TR], :D
[21:53]	schestowitz[TR]	that  is often newspeak for gambling these days
[21:53]	MinceR	btw btw
[21:53]	DaemonFC	Or if she's HODLING on some crack pipe dream that it will be "worth" upwards of $50,000 again.
[21:54]	DaemonFC	I know Mark probably isn't happy.
[21:54]	schestowitz[TR]	too bad
[21:54]	DaemonFC	They were already on the verge of collapse and now she'd only get half of the childrens' college money that she put in there.
[21:54]	schestowitz[TR]	he does not wear the trousers
[21:54]	DaemonFC	Her kids already hate her and call her "bitch" and get smacked all over the house for it.
[21:54]	schestowitz[TR]	he does not hold the dishes either
[21:54]	schestowitz[TR]	he "receives" them
[21:54]	DaemonFC	Lovely family situation.
[21:54]	schestowitz[TR]	airborne 
[21:55]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR]: I know how old her kids are. I'm waiting to turn her over to the IRS until they're aged out of the house.
[21:56]	DaemonFC	She has about a year left before I go spill like the Exxon-Valdez.
[21:56]	starstreak	highest_cubist_thrills, ronnie stahp ur tramatizing meh
[21:57]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/22081623
[21:57]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/bjtmjzrj1th91.jpg created on 2022-08-16 07:47:07.804885
[21:57]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR]: They already suffer enough I suppose.
[21:57]	DaemonFC	Their mom went and gambled away their "college fund".
[21:57]	DaemonFC	So if they want to make anything of themselves they face the choice most people do.
[21:57]	DaemonFC	Take on horrible debt and play the odds.
[21:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me wish he got the reference
[21:58]	DaemonFC	What an idiot.
[21:58]	starstreak	highest_cubist_thrills, https://i.imgur.com/ol5hsdb.jpg
[21:58]	starstreak	highest_cubist_thrills, jersey shore lol
[21:58]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR]: If she had invested the money in US Savings Bonds and taken it out to be spent on college, then not only would she have at least had the interest, but it would have been totally exempt from income tax.
[21:59]	MinceR	who watches jersey shore though
[21:59]	starstreak	i do
[21:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	ohhh
[21:59]	MinceR	or reality shows in general
[21:59]	DaemonFC	Setting up such a plan for your children is fiscally responsible. Putting it in Bitcoins isn't.
[21:59]	DaemonFC	She probably told herself she'd get it all back, send them to college and go fill up the garage with more shoes she doesn't even wear.
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[22:00]	starstreak	its my guilty pleasure
[22:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	mmmmmmm
[22:01]	DaemonFC	FedEx says my print order is ready. I'll pick it up tomorrow and get cracking on organizing, stapling, etc.
[22:01]	DaemonFC	I figure I can get 90% of the major boring shit out of the way before this month is over.
[22:01]	DaemonFC	Then I can just send in a smaller order next month.
[22:04]	XRevan86	https://gajim.org/post/2022-09-19-gajim-1.5.0-released/
[22:04]	TR Bot	 Gajim 1.5.0 - Gajim
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[22:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	starstreak: finished the book btw
[22:06]	starstreak	highest_cubist_thrills, that was fast :D
[22:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	i was intrigued
[22:06]	starstreak	do you have a magick name now?
[22:07]	TR News	Manhattan: Overheard Conversation gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~stack/gemlog/2022-09-19.Manhattan.gmi
[22:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	no i only read it
[22:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	yes i know...
[22:07]	TR News	"I prayed for good star-gazing weather yesterday morning, and was blessed with a great opportunity last night, with skies clearing up for most part around 9pm." gemini://gem.librehacker.com/gemlog/starlog/20220918-0.gmi
[22:08]	TR News	 (NEW): Crystal Linux is a user-friendly take on Arch Linux that shows great promise http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Crystal_Linux_is_a_user_friendly_take_on_Arch_Linux_that_shows_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Crystal_Linux_is_a_user_friendly_take_on_Arch_Linux_that_shows_.gmi 
[22:08]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Crystal Linux is a user-friendly take on Arch Linux that shows great promise
[22:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	im not the author, i dont do things without deliberating
[22:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	he prefers to ride the wave
[22:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	i prefer to look at the ocean and decide what to do next
[22:08]	starstreak	fair enough
[22:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	im most aligned to some jewish tradition anyway
[22:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats not set in stone
[22:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	but it is a default for me
[22:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me never converted
[22:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	im not religious
[22:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	certainly not in any formal sense
[22:09]	MinceR	http://www.cogniview.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/How-Do-I-New1.jpg
[22:09]	starstreak	highest_cubist_thrills, https://youtu.be/X9_n8jakvWU
[22:09]	TR Bot	https://y.com.sb/watch?v=X9_n8jakvWU
[22:10]	TR Bot	y.com.sb | Enrique Iglesias - I Like It (Official Music Video) - Invidious
[22:10]	DaemonFC	I created a big bug to track removal of some hilariously outdated UX stuff from SeaMonkey regarding Flash, Java, Plug-Ins, AOL Instant Messenger, etc.
[22:10]	DaemonFC	Lots of it got cleaned up in 2.53.12 but a few more things are coming out in 2.53.14.
[22:10]	MinceR	i prefer Gabriel to Enrique
[22:11]	DaemonFC	This is pretty much code rot and clutter.
[22:11]	TR News	 (NEW): Gajim 1.5.0 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Gajim_1_5_0.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/19/Gajim_1_5_0.gmi 
[22:11]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Gajim 1.5.0
[22:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	no one loves julio anymore
[22:11]	DaemonFC	Better to remove it than to trip over it and continue putting functionless UI stuff in the user's face.
[22:11]	schestowitz[TR]	XRevan86: cheers
[22:11]	DaemonFC	Switching to Goanna would be interesting, because that would actually bring back NPAPI support.
[22:12]	DaemonFC	They never deleted it.
[22:12]	DaemonFC	So there's at least three versions of Gecko now. The one in Firefox and Thunderbird, the fork in SeaMonkey, and the fork in Pale Moon.
[22:12]	DaemonFC	"MoonChild" hasn't removed NPAPI even though you can't even really use it anymore.
[22:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	starstreak: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=tH7Bcr3e3I0
[22:13]	TR Bot	 I Like It Like That - Invidious
[22:13]	DaemonFC	It's an anachronism. Adobe disabled Flash using a remote backdoor.
[22:13]	DaemonFC	The only version getting updates that hasn't been remote bricked, I think, is distributed by a Chinese company under a license agreement.
[22:13]	TR News	Alan Shimel, Microsoft and proprietary software shill, keeps openwashing by pushing proprietary crap. Link omitted. It's like a spamnil groupie. Both facilitated by Jim Zemlin and Sheela Microsoft, the frauds. http://techrights.org/2019/09/09/attacking-foss-by-proxy/
[22:13]	TR Bot	 Security Boulevard is a Microsoft-Connected Attack Site Created by a Free Software-Hostile Person | Techrights
[22:14]	DaemonFC	Modern Java doesn't have a browser plug-in, so you'd have to use something that has a lot of security holes to use Java through NPAPI/LiveConnect.
[22:15]	TR News	Bribing fools to install listening devices which corrode human rights of EVERYBODY in the home, inc. guests https://www.maketecheasier.com/deal/echo-dot-and-amazon-music-unlimited/
[22:15]	TR Bot	 Get an Echo Dot and 1 Month of Amazon Music Unlimited for Under $10 - Make Tech Easier
[22:15]	DaemonFC	Browsers don't need plug-ins from media players, and I think the media players have deleted them anyway.
[22:16]	TR News	This DIY strain wave gearbox is strong enough to pull a car | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/09/19/this-diy-strain-wave-gearbox-is-strong-enough-to-pull-a-car/ Source: Arduino | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/09/19/this-diy-strain-wave-gearbox-is-strong-enough-to-pull-a-car/
[22:16]	TR Bot	 This DIY strain wave gearbox is strong enough to pull a car | Arduino Blog
[22:17]	starstreak	highest_cubist_thrills, nice
[22:18]	TR News	maketecheasier: we take bribe for FAKE 'ARTICLES'. "This is a sponsored article and was made possible by AVC." So they take bribes from the subject of the 'article'. https://www.maketecheasier.com/avclabs-video-enhancer-ai-review/
[22:18]	TR Bot	 AVCLabs Video Enhancer AI review - Make Tech Easier
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[22:18]	TR News	WWW in 2022: hate and spam with a little signal thrown in (if you know how to sensibly filter out the crap). It was NOT LIKE THIS 20 YEARS AGO.
[22:19]	mixling	argh... lua doesn't compile/link with slibtool, not yet
[22:19]	TR News	Types, Objects, and Systems, Oh my! | AWNCORP [blogs.perl.org] http://blogs.perl.org/users/al_newkirk/2022/09/types-objects-and-systems-oh-my.html Source: Perl
[22:19]	TR Bot	Objects, and Systems, Oh my! | AWNCORP [blogs.perl.org]
[22:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-18.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-19.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[22:20]	mixling	it's not as if i couldn't repair such problems, it is, after having pulled 300(!) builds into my overlay already, i am tired of this type of nonsense
[22:21]	TR News	2022.38 Another Wave - Rakudo Weekly News https://rakudoweekly.blog/2022/09/19/2022-38-another-wave/ Source: Rakulang | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//rakudoweekly.blog/2022/09/19/2022-38-another-wave/
[22:21]	TR Bot	 2022.38 Another Wave Rakudo Weekly News
[22:21]	mixling	huh, slibtool, why is that? because GNU libtool, it sucks
[22:21]	mixling	at least it seems, lua doesn't entangle with GNU configure.ac at least, that's an optional one, good.
[22:21]	TR News	"Whether images created by AI count as art, self-hosted audio streaming, a hex editor, playing Steam games from remote machines, QEMU on an iPad, and more." https://latenightlinux.com/late-night-linux-episode-195/
[22:21]	TR Bot	 Late Night Linux Episode 195 Late Night Linux
[22:22]	mixling	obviously, some other developers didn't loose their mind completely with lua
[22:22]	TR News	Blog: Kubernetes 1.25: Local Storage Capacity Isolation Reaches GA https://kubernetes.io/blog/2022/09/19/local-storage-capacity-isolation-ga/ "Pods use ephemeral local storage for scratch space, caching, and logs"
[22:22]	TR Bot	 Kubernetes 1.25: Local Storage Capacity Isolation Reaches GA | Kubernetes
[22:22]	mixling	i tell you this, with 600 builds, slibtool (from gentoo) went almost smooth and painless already
[22:23]	mixling	libtool, it is another GNU thing, no clue what this is good for, instead of writing clean Makefiles
[22:24]	mixling	seems to be another useless sort of macro expander, to generate snippets for static and dynamic linking
[22:25]	mixling	lua, it's MIT licensed... RMS department
[22:25]	TR News	Tiling Window Managers Are Just A Waste Of Time - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=b5kaEtv0BtE | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/b5kaEtv0BtE
[22:25]	TR Bot	 Tiling Window Managers Are Just A Waste Of Time - Invidious
[22:25]	mixling	i read somewhere, MICROS~1 prefers MIT type license
[22:26]	schestowitz[TR]	true
[22:26]	mixling	i don't care; all i see again is, the typical hack and slay over GPL (GNU-buildsystem implied) vs. NON-GPL
[22:26]	schestowitz[TR]	well, not fully
[22:26]	schestowitz[TR]	microsoft prefers proprietary
[22:26]	schestowitz[TR]	if the code is freee
[22:26]	schestowitz[TR]	then it prefers mit
[22:26]	schestowitz[TR]	then it cane 'steal' it
[22:26]	schestowitz[TR]	to make proprietary
[22:26]	mixling	and for this, i do blame both GNU _AND_ MICROS~1
[22:27]	schestowitz[TR]	and the mit  stuff perishes away
[22:27]	mixling	GNU buildsystem is awfull
[22:27]	schestowitz[TR]	gnu is at fault for mit licence??
[22:27]	mixling	GNU toolchain, i don't like this one either
[22:27]	schestowitz[TR]	anyway
[22:27]	schestowitz[TR]	you have weird standards
[22:27]	mixling	schestowitz[TR]: for me it is not a licensing issue, i am an "unemployed" (independent) developer only
[22:27]	schestowitz[TR]	the other day you suggested you reject perl 6
[22:27]	schestowitz[TR]	because of just one developer
[22:27]	schestowitz[TR]	whom you don'\t like
[22:27]	schestowitz[TR]	bkuhn
[22:28]	mixling	schestowitz[TR]: no, i reject any later than perl version 5.8 for TECHNICAL reasons
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[22:28]	mixling	as far as licensing is concerned, all i do is complying with licensing terms
[22:28]	schestowitz[TR]	oh yeah?
[22:28]	schestowitz[TR]	show me where you released your versions?
[22:28]	mixling	and with this, neither MIT nor GPL are a problem for me
[22:28]	schestowitz[TR]	or where you send your changes/poatches
[22:28]	schestowitz[TR]	*patches
[22:28]	schestowitz[TR]	assuming you distribute them
[22:29]	mixling	schestowitz[TR]: i must not release anything if i do not deliver binaries, and i won't release anything without salary
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[22:29]	mixling	and with MIT license, i may release even, without sources supplied
[22:29]	schestowitz[TR]	that's not correct
[22:29]	schestowitz[TR]	you can releae
[22:29]	schestowitz[TR]	it's not a must
[22:29]	schestowitz[TR]	but "mmust not"
[22:29]	schestowitz[TR]	implies you must NOT
[22:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	wait kuhn is a raku dev?
[22:30]	mixling	problem with Perl any later than v5.8 is, they implemented some sort of virtualized memory management, some weird macros, which tcc-toolchain doesn't digest
[22:30]	schestowitz[TR]	can't be 
[22:30]	mixling	i don't care, i intend to remove Perl entirely now
[22:30]	schestowitz[TR]	"giveuipgithub" after all
[22:31]	mixling	hence, Lua, because a script interpreter with regex support is desireable, of cause
[22:31]	mixling	vis-editor too is using Lua for this
[22:31]	schestowitz[TR]	of course
[22:31]	schestowitz[TR]	you keep making this error
[22:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	jokes aside...
[22:31]	schestowitz[TR]	and it gives away your name-shifting/nymshifting
[22:31]	mixling	in the end, it's technical reasons, to avoid GNU
[22:32]	mixling	not licensing issues, not political issues, technical issues
[22:32]	mixling	those technical issues slightly intersect with political and licensing ones, due to their strategy to vendor-lock, into GNU
[22:32]	mixling	with their build-system for example, which is, i don't like it, to remain polite
[22:33]	schestowitz[TR]	gnu is a chain
[22:33]	schestowitz[TR]	systemd is a chaioan
[22:33]	schestowitz[TR]	but the former does not try to lock you in
[22:33]	schestowitz[TR]	and ios not developerd by a corporation to sell support
[22:33]	schestowitz[TR]	anyway, gn
[22:33]	mixling	systemd isn't a problem for me, simply because i can remove it, easily
[22:33]	mixling	however, try the same with GNU toolchain AND GNU buildsystem, and then see what remains...
[22:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	gnu doesnt have to lock you in
[22:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	it has github for that
[22:34]	mixling	lua isn't an urgent issue, i could use vis-editor without it, however if, and i will do it, remove perl and python entirely
[22:34]	mixling	i wouldn't want to miss at least one decent scripting language, which lua is a candidate for
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[22:35]	mixling	is this just bad luck, some GNU buildsystem wreckage is hitting me?
[22:35]	mixling	probably not
[22:35]	mixling	and thanks gentoo, they implemented slibtool
[22:35]	mixling	because, without it... GNU again
[22:36]	mixling	slibtool too is MIT licensed
[22:36]	mixling	vis editor is ISC
[22:36]	mixling	however, i arrived at this, for _technical_ reasons, not licensing or political ones
[22:36]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR]: Talking to the guy doing Borealis Navigator (SeaMonkey fork on top of Goanna) about adding Gemini.
[22:37]	mixling	mjg59_: to keep it brief for you, i consider much of GNU/GPL licensed software bad quality
[22:37]	mixling	which is ok, if some students want to practice programming
[22:37]	mixling	that's a freedom issue to, of cause, to have a playground for them
[22:37]	mixling	too
[22:38]	mixling	however, it is NOT OK, if the buildsystem and toolchain from GNU leave nothing but giant wreckage behind
[22:38]	mixling	in particular, if IBM is invested with billions in this
[22:39]	mixling	to summarize this: python does NOT bootstrap/compile with tcc-toolchain, perl requires a version rollback to v5.8
[22:40]	mixling	and with lua, just mentioned another problem
[22:40]	mixling	and this was yet another two or three weeks of work... for what?
[22:40]	mixling	and then it becomes political; certainly won't I publish under terms of GPL for NOTHING in return except chaos and clusterfuck made in USA
[22:41]	mixling	while your affiliates stuff their pockets with millions of shitcoins
[22:48]	mixling	schestowitz[TR]: the reason "free software", either GPL or MIT vanishes is this, missing STANDARDS compliance
[22:48]	mixling	i mean, make, that's covered by POSIX
[22:49]	mixling	on my TODO i got another one, to verify a strictly POSIX compiliant make implemention:
[22:49]	mixling	https://frippery.org/make/
[22:49]	TR Bot	 Public domain POSIX make
[22:49]	mixling	mjg59_: how much would you, guess, of "free software", invented by his holiness RMS, passes with a POSIX compliant make?
[22:50]	mixling	mjg59_: and how much time would you or RMS think i should invest into this, without compensation as usual, because it's free as in gratis
[22:51]	mixling	mjg59_: and how many other developers should suck up this? given the fact this problem multiplies across every developer desktop.
[22:51]	mixling	i would rather grant you and RMS the biggest anti-trust in history since WW2
[22:51]	mjg59_	I think targeting POSIX tooling is an uninteresting problem
[22:52]	mixling	i see
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[22:52]	DaemonFC	All build systems are crap, it's just that the GNU one is particularly interesting.
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[22:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	I think targeting POSIX tooling is an uninteresting problem <- oh hey, its lennart
[22:52]	DaemonFC	It's slow, it sends the user down the rabbit hole.
[22:53]	DaemonFC	It tests for every kind of obsolete system there's ever been and runs tests for I don't know what.
[22:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	yeah, corporations dont give a fuck about compatibility with what people made to be free of them
[22:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	theres a fucking surprise
[22:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	as soon as they take over free software
[22:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	they have to break it all
[22:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	because its "uninteresting"
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[22:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	hell thats even the in handbook for destroying the free software movement
[22:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	compatibility is for losers
[22:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	its cool to break shit-- like a rockstar
[22:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats INTERESTING
[22:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	ibm is edgy
[22:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	they broke millions of people
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[22:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	but dfc is more relevant
[22:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	move fast and gas jews
[22:55]	DaemonFC	Did I say I wanted to gas the Jews?
[22:55]	DaemonFC	I don't seem to recall that.
[22:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	takeover of free software by people who planned, orchestrated and executed genocide of millions: not relevant
[22:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	dickhead in irc who says regressive bullshit: FASCINATING 
[22:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	if you get your moral compass from a box of weetabix, you might have stupid priorities
[22:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	or you just might be utterly full of shit
[22:57]	DaemonFC	Software that has switched to meson builds a lot faster than stuff that still uses autoconf.
[22:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	mjg: targeting toolchain made for freedom: so uncool
[22:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	monsanto: targeting genomes that the farmers of the world have organically nudged towards ideal crops over millennia: so uncool
[22:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	lets target toolchains that corporations use to control people
[22:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	and call this progressive
[22:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	and then if someone doesnt like it, we will tell lots of lies about them
[22:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 55.63 k/sec., IPFS upstream 48.61 average k/sec., average swarm size 149.36
[22:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	and lead a mob of people who to be perfectly honest
[22:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	disgust me far more than dfc, even if he is a gay nazi piece of shit hypocrite
● Sep 19
[23:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	probably because no one gives a shit what he thinks
[23:00]	mixling	DaemonFC: meson and autotools, such, both
[23:00]	mixling	forget it
[23:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	while these hypocritcal cunts destroy DECADES of activism
[23:00]	mixling	suck
[23:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	just fucking die already.
[23:00]	mixling	crap
[23:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	honestly, youre a waste of carbon.
[23:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	swallow a gun.
[23:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	eat a fucking bullet
[23:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	just fucking die.
[23:02]	mixling	i do agree however, POSIX make isn't the most urgent issue
[23:03]	mixling	mjg59_: given the fact i consider any later than gcc47 wreckage
[23:03]	mixling	and GNU toolchain itself, given it relies on GNU buildsystem
[23:03]	mixling	i mean, RMS MUST have known, as the inventor of POSIX
[23:04]	mixling	mjg59_: btw. GNU buildsystem autoconf/automake, that's not backwards compatible
[23:04]	mixling	out of curiosity, i was interested in some older software pulled from the archives
[23:04]	mixling	"free software"
[23:04]	DaemonFC	What is the minimum gcc for Linux now?
[23:04]	DaemonFC	5?
[23:05]	mixling	and then, i type autoreconf -if
[23:05]	mixling	whatever reason it was, i though, lemme try TeTeX
[23:05]	mixling	sure, that's not interesting either, what an epic mistake to attach this one to GNU buildsystem
[23:05]	mixling	nowadays, it's gone
[23:06]	DaemonFC	https://www.theregister.com/2021/09/15/linux_kernel_gcc_5_1/
[23:06]	TR Bot	 Linux kernel minimum compiler raised to GCC 5.1, allowing potential C11 use The Register
[23:06]	DaemonFC	"Gcc-4.9 support has been an annoyance for some time, and with -Werror I had the choice of applying a fairly big patch from Kees Cook to remove a fair number of initializer warnings (still leaving some), or this patch series from Nick that just removes the source of the problem," said Torvalds.
[23:06]	mixling	instead of one GNU-buildsystem, i have to install several versions of it... i won't
[23:07]	mixling	mjg59_: i will REMOVE GNU
[23:07]	mixling	and i won't suck your UEFI crap either
[23:07]	mixling	sorry i am in bad mood currently
[23:08]	mixling	guess how much time this had cost?
[23:08]	mixling	and it's not as if, my time, was worth nothing
[23:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	if anyone gave a shit what dfc thinks id tell him to die too
[23:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	but i dont see a mob of 3000 eugenics-loving cunts following HIM
[23:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	if that day comes-- ill be sure to make good on it
[23:08]	mixling	furthermore, this insane wreckage, had multiplied across hundreds of thousands of developer desktops
[23:09]	DaemonFC	https://www.theregister.com/2021/09/13/linux_5_15_rc1/
[23:09]	TR Bot	 Linus Torvalds admits to 'self-inflicted damage' with -Werror as Linux 5.15 rc1 debuts The Register
[23:09]	DaemonFC	The NTFS merge shows that they don't actually care about code quality or whether there's even an actual maintainer they can get ahold of.
[23:09]	DaemonFC	Maybe mjg59_ will maintain it for them since anyone that doesn't like NTFS is a transphobe and rape apologist.
[23:11]	DaemonFC	GitHub Alex apologized to the court for rape and strangulation and they gave him a diversion program.
[23:11]	DaemonFC	That's not White Privilege though, because he's a Microsoft person.
[23:11]	mixling	next time RMS walks on stage, he may announce: "We got something for you, a free vendor-lock against us, to work for zero income and legal threats in return"
[23:12]	DaemonFC	I don't know why the court accepts an apology. He didn't rape and strangle the judge.
[23:12]	DaemonFC	Strange concept of "justice" in this country.
[23:13]	mixling	i mean, i am not obsessed with RMS, replace this with any other one of the cartell mobsters.
[23:13]	mixling	it's not specific to him
[23:13]	mixling	it's just, guys like RMS and mjg59_ take the pride for "free software", hence they had to take responsibility alike.
[23:14]	mixling	next time you walk on stage announce this: "come, join us, we give a shit about minimum wage"
[23:15]	DaemonFC	Mr. GULAG probably has one of those relationships where he's either forced his "partner" into some sort of an "arrangement" or just does it openly to "her" and brags about it.
[23:15]	DaemonFC	Either way, it's disgusting and a total dick move, but hey....
[23:16]	DaemonFC	He overcompensates for it by attacking me.
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[23:17]	mixling	https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=791772
[23:17]	TR Bot	 791772 dev-lang/lua-5.4.2-r1 - /.../luac.c:352: undefined reference to luaG_getfuncline
[23:18]	mixling	Reported:         2021-05-24 07:30
[23:18]	mixling	allright, Google too is drowning in shitcoins, trillions of it
[23:18]	mixling	then why, tell, why should i bother with this?
[23:19]	mixling	add to this, i was educated as Telco Engineer
[23:19]	mixling	meaning, i got other things to do
[23:19]	mixling	mjg59_: maybe i am not as smart as you or RMS
[23:19]	mixling	however, i could do a fourier transform on a dirac impluse, limes this against dt->0
[23:19]	mixling	and see the nuke blow up over California
[23:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-18.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-19.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[23:20]	mixling	oh, wait, CENSORED
[23:20]	mixling	except, if you're employed by them
[23:21]	mixling	to my understanding, it's well prepared to blow up things in my neighborhood instead?
[23:22]	mixling	the economic warfare doesn't suffice? blow up things in Europe?
[23:22]	XRevan86	https://nitter.it/JuliaDavisNews/status/1571987573614219265
[23:22]	TR Bot	Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "Meanwhile in Russia: pundit on state TV asserts that all Western leaders who want to sanction Russia and teach the Russian people a lesson are Nazis: Joe Biden, Olaf Scholz, Sanna Marin, Ursula von der Leyen et al. More in my recent article: "|nitter.it
[23:25]	DaemonFC	Microsoft apparently made a Hello World C that ran for over 15,000 source lines of code once, or something like that.
[23:25]	DaemonFC	They did the Hello World in the Windows 3.1 era, so it's not even like you can joke "It depended on Internet Explorer!".
[23:26]	DaemonFC	mjg59_ was probably using Internet Explorer as his default Web browser.
[23:26]	DaemonFC	Insisting that "all the interesting people do".
[23:26]	DaemonFC	"Anyone who doesn't like it is a transphobe and a rape apologist!"
[23:26]	DaemonFC	"If you don't embed it, you're missing out!"
[23:29]	mixling	none of the east-german military stockpiles sufficed to take aim at USA
[23:29]	mixling	and even if, it's all dismantled
[23:31]	mixling	in the end, that's what they understand, at RAND corp and inside Pentagon
[23:32]	mixling	and inside east-germany, the government itself, sold-out to the "class enemy", to cash in dividents
[23:34]	mixling	i think, the west-german military, they wish-thinked to harvest, they do need staff
[23:34]	mixling	that's another, those shallow charlatans and generals on TV
[23:34]	mixling	and their expertise
[23:35]	mixling	it's a people's army without people
[23:35]	mixling	my grandmother had a book in her shelf: "Mann ohne Volk" (Man without People)
[23:35]	mixling	this was written in 1930s already...
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[23:38]	mixling	no clue, why i would attach to anything what is agitated by the "class enemy"
[23:38]	mixling	your freedom, not mine
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[23:40]	mixling	i am probably one of the last students, who listened to german-speaking lectures, in one of the oldest universities, globally
[23:40]	mixling	most east-germans, are portrayed as "un-productive" "incompetitive" dumb-fucks
[23:40]	mixling	it's an _old_language, better to say it was
[23:40]	mixling	there won't be another generation, of universtity staff
[23:42]	mixling	because, in all universities, they replaced the staff with loyal minions
[23:44]	mixling	"Mann ohne Volk"(Mann without people), written by, Arnold Krieger(warrior)
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[23:45]	mixling	didn't read it... it's war propaganda from 1930s some time
[23:47]	mixling	i think, all those books vanished, for good reason; didn't know, they planned for and seeked to eradicate all people and their memories
[23:47]	mixling	maybe, my mindset is still too heavily occupied, by cold-war era
[23:48]	mixling	because, this is when i was raised, in the middle in between
[23:48]	mixling	and, among my family, we all had been in the middle in between, always
[23:48]	mixling	we didn't just watch boms dropping on TV, those hit our cities
[23:49]	mixling	we didn't just watch poverty and unemployment statistics on TV
[23:50]	mixling	meaning if, one or another favor could be returned, to USA and their affiliates
[23:50]	mixling	instead of talking about it, fully comprehend it
[23:51]	mixling	if your entire tech industry is shut down, in an instant
[23:51]	mixling	and _EVERYONE_ looses their job
[23:51]	mixling	all companies disappear
[23:51]	mixling	the language you spoke as a child, it's all gone
[23:52]	mixling	the books, music, movies, family, everything
[23:52]	mixling	1990, the "liberation"
[23:53]	mixling	instead of English, you'll all speak old-german language, all literature and the entire internet, no English anymore
[23:53]	mixling	because, it's all "uncompetitive" "unproductive" useless crap what you do
[23:54]	mixling	AT&T will be placed under supervision of Russian Telecom, all documents and standards rewritten in Russian
[23:54]	mixling	and standards, ship in 10variants each
[23:54]	starstreak	lol
[23:55]	Helenah	:3
[23:56]	starstreak	hey Helenah :)
[23:57]	Helenah	I'm smoking god knows what (street cannabis)
[23:57]	starstreak	fun
[23:57]	starstreak	its legal in Canada
[23:57]	MinceR	aggi is smoking pure ruscism
[23:58]	MinceR	while his fuhrer can't even afford to fuel vehicles as far as kyiv
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