●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 ●●
● Sep 19
[00:00]	schestowitz	DaemonFC: from the people who brought you snaps
[00:00]	schestowitz	IPHONE!
[00:00]	MinceR	lol
[00:01]	TR News	Right-wing nuts: ABORTION IS A CRIME! "Liberal" nutcases: RMS is an ABLEIST!! https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/toddler-with-facial-hair-no-nostrils-captures-malaysian-king-and-queen-s-attention
[00:01]	TR Bot	 Toddler with facial hair, no nostrils captures attention of Malaysian King and Queen | The Straits Times
[00:02]	TR News	How to Free Up Space in /boot Partition on Ubuntu Linux? https://www.ubuntupit.com/how-to-free-up-space-in-boot-partition-on-ubuntu-linux/
[00:02]	TR Bot	 How to Free Up Space in /boot Partition on Ubuntu Linux?
[00:02]	TR News	GNU/Linux could do similar stuff 20 years ago. Welcome to the past, Apple. https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/use-an-ipad-as-a-second-screen-for-your-mac
[00:02]	TR Bot	 How to Use an iPad as a Second Screen for Your Mac | Tom's Hardware
[00:03]	TR News	Ubuntu 22.04 LTS: Whats New and How to Customize It https://www.geeksmint.com/ubuntu-22-04-features-and-customization/
[00:03]	TR Bot	 Ubuntu 22.04 LTS: New Features and Customizations
[00:04]	TR News	How to fix "Failed to execute the default web browser" error on Linux https://owlhowto.com/how-to-fix-failed-to-execute-the-default-web-browser-error-on-linux/
[00:04]	TR Bot	 How to fix "Failed to execute the default web browser" error on Linux
[00:04]	TR News	How To Install WebERP on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS https://idroot.us/install-weberp-ubuntu-22-04/
[00:04]	TR Bot	 How To Install WebERP on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS - idroot
[00:05]	TR News	How To Install Observium on AlmaLinux 9 https://idroot.us/install-observium-almalinux-9/
[00:05]	TR Bot	 How To Install Observium on AlmaLinux 9 - idroot
[00:05]	TR News	How To Install Apache Hadoop on Debian 12 https://idroot.us/install-apache-hadoop-debian-12/
[00:05]	TR Bot	 How To Install Apache Hadoop on Debian 12 - idroot
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[00:05]	TR News	GNU/Linux Versus Windows Around the World (Sept. 2023) http://techrights.org/2023/09/18/gnu-linux-sept-2023/
[00:05]	TR Bot	 GNU/Linux Versus Windows Around the World (Sept. 2023) | Techrights
[00:06]	TR News	Logos Remain Relevant: Source Confusion and Design Patent Infringement https://patentlyo.com/patent/2023/09/relevant-confusion-infringement.html
[00:06]	TR Bot	 Logos Remain Relevant: Source Confusion and Design Patent Infringement | Patently-O
[00:06]		*MinceR gives voice to oarion7
[00:07]	TR News	Copyright Plagiarism of XScreenSaver by IBM/Red Hat Employee. A Code Thief Assigns IBM Software Patents. http://techrights.org/2023/09/17/copyright-plagiarism-and-ibm-swpats/
[00:07]	TR Bot	 Copyright Plagiarism of XScreenSaver by IBM/Red Hat Employee. A Code Thief Assigns IBM Software Patents. | Techrights
[00:08]	TR News	"Government officials from the two countries agreed to meet in Pyongyang in November." https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/north-koreas-leader-wraps-up-russia-trip-with-drones-gift
[00:08]	TR Bot	 North Koreas leader wraps up Russia trip with drones gift | The Straits Times
[00:09]	schestowitz	XRevan86: ^
[00:09]	schestowitz	when can we can we call it "world war"?
[00:09]	schestowitz	putin also imports shahed drones from iranistan
[00:09]	XRevan86	schestowitz: When more than two (three including Belarus) countries are involved in actual combat.
[00:10]	schestowitz	seems the broken system wants to be reset by war
[00:10]	schestowitz	not understanding
[00:11]	MinceR	seems like a low bar still
[00:11]	XRevan86	World War 2 didn't go on to reset any broken systems, and neither is this.
[00:11]	schestowitz	iirc, mandela spoke of "reconcilation"
[00:11]	MinceR	maybe if the nukes come out, it will reset the broken system we call "society"
[00:11]	MinceR	don't expect reconciliation
[00:12]	MinceR	putler can't afford to not get something, ukraine can't afford to lose something
[00:13]	XRevan86	How political well-being of one man ruins lives of millions.
[00:14]	schestowitz	pretty much an old problem
[00:15]	TR News	How to Get Current Date and Time on Linux https://idroot.us/get-current-date-time-linux/
[00:15]	XRevan86	And that's why, kids, dictatorships suck.
[00:15]	TR Bot	 How to Get Current Date and Time on Linux - idroot
[00:15]	MinceR	it's also why letting anyone run anyone else's life sucks
[00:15]	TR News	My Aldi Commodore 64 case https://rubenerd.com/my-new-aldi-commodore-64/
[00:15]	TR Bot	My Aldi Commodore 64 case
[00:16]	MinceR	also, i forgot that basically none of us can afford to let ukraine lose anything
[00:16]	MinceR	because there are other potential victims
[00:16]	TR News	Comparing OpenShift Service Mesh and Service Interconnect https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2023/09/18/comparing-openshift-service-mesh-and-service-interconnect
[00:16]	TR Bot	 Comparing OpenShift Service Mesh and Service Interconnect | Red Hat Developer
[00:17]	TR News	Nope, "Applying for a mortgage" is NOT "buying a home" https://www.which.co.uk/news/article/which-get-answers-podcast-the-things-you-must-do-when-buying-a-home-abf0P6t8Xn2G
[00:17]	TR Bot	 Which? Get Answers podcast: the things you must do when buying a home - Which? News
[00:18]	TR News	The Talospace Project: Partial ppc64le JIT available again for Firefox 115ESR https://www.talospace.com/2023/09/partial-ppc64le-jit-available-again-for.html
[00:18]	TR Bot	 Partial ppc64le JIT available again for Firefox 115ESR
[00:19]	TR News	Foreign capital showing confidence in Hong Kong, commerce chief says, as 272 companies set up in city https://hongkongfp.com/2023/09/18/272-companies-expanded-to-hong-kong-as-foreign-capitals-regain-confidence-in-the-city-secretary-for-commerce-has-said/
[00:19]	TR Bot	 Foreign capital showing confidence in Hong Kong, commerce chief says, as 272 companies set up in city - Hong Kong Free Press HKFP
[00:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-18.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-19.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[00:20]	TR News	Where's Your Data? | LINUX Unplugged 528 https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/show/linux-unplugged/528/
[00:20]	TR Bot	 Where's Your Data? | LINUX Unplugged 528 | Jupiter Broadcasting
[00:22]	TR News	Finland needs to improve Finnish language instruction for Ukrainian kids, teachers' union says https://yle.fi/a/74-20050547
[00:22]	TR Bot	 Finland needs to improve Finnish language instruction for Ukrainian kids, teachers' union says | News | Yle Uutiset
[00:31]	TR News	Chatbots are not HEY HI. Misnomer. Shallow reporting. https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/ai-goes-to-church-in-south-korea-and-sparks-controversy
[00:31]	TR Bot	 AI goes to church in South Korea, sparks controversy | The Straits Times
[00:34]	TR News	LOL, "HEY HI" prospects. Journalism is dead. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/arm-falls-bernstein-downplays-boost-174559595.html
[00:34]	TR Bot	 Arm Falls After Bernstein Downplays Companys AI Prospects
[00:34]	TR News	BMO shuttering retail auto finance business, laying off employees https://stlawyers.ca/blog-news/bmo-shuttering-retail-auto-finance-business-laying-off-employees/
[00:34]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[00:35]	TR News	Its Time To Start Killing Your Subscriptions https://kotaku.com/game-pass-ps-plus-disney-netflix-spotify-price-cancel-1850848468
[00:35]	TR Bot	 It's Time To Think About Cancelling All Your Subscriptions
[00:41]	psydruid	https://www.infofinland.fi/en/finnish-and-swedish/finnish-online
[00:41]	TR Bot	 Finnish online
[00:41]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, Oh, Mandy asked if I wanted to buy a truck his friend was really trying to sell me the other day.
[00:41]	DaemonFC	I told him no. 
[00:41]	TR News	In England, COVID-19 cases, deaths, escalations (hospital) soared 30% in one week https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
[00:41]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ )
[00:42]	DaemonFC	$40,000. $850 a month payments. It's breaking them. Why do I want their cursed object?
[00:42]	schestowitz	childish mind
[00:42]	schestowitz	some people never stop buying toys
[00:42]	schestowitz	they just change the /type/ of toys they want
[00:43]	schestowitz	toys seldom have required functionality 
[00:43]	schestowitz	and some parents buy these for status
[00:43]	schestowitz	or the idea that a kid with more toys will grow up to be smarter
[00:43]	schestowitz	so they buy some "spyphone"
[00:43]	schestowitz	the kid never leaves the bed
[00:43]	schestowitz	just pinches some shitty made in china gadget
[00:43]	schestowitz	and "develops"... the thumb
[00:44]	psydruid	https://www.infofinland.fi/en/finnish-and-swedish/swedish-language-in-finland
[00:44]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, next car is going to be a lease.
[00:44]	TR Bot	 Swedish language in Finland
[00:44]	DaemonFC	I can keep it for four years and turn it in before it becomes a problem car.
[00:44]	DaemonFC	Oil changes and shit are part of the lease calculation.
[00:46]	schestowitz	i stopped driving
[00:46]	schestowitz	that reduced a lot of trouble
[00:46]	schestowitz	papers, worries
[00:46]	schestowitz	you coould buy some shitty old car
[00:46]	schestowitz	but that won't be cheap and won't stop bills like insurance, MOT...
[00:46]	schestowitz	so the car "saves" you time
[00:46]	schestowitz	but also costs you time
[00:47]	schestowitz	if you work in a 9-5 prison i can see the appeal
[00:47]	schestowitz	and the other option is commuting by bus
[00:47]	schestowitz	if a bus route exists at all
[00:47]	MinceR	funny, getting a car helped me get _out_ of the prison that is the capital city
[00:47]	schestowitz	but then you lose a lot of your compensation at work to car-related bills
[00:48]	schestowitz	MinceR: if you work from home, good
[00:48]	schestowitz	if you don't there might still be a prison
[00:48]	schestowitz	even if it swerves and a coffee machine is "free"
[00:48]	schestowitz	i did some office jobs befoire
[00:48]	schestowitz	open spaces too
[00:49]	schestowitz	sometimes my private office (about 20 years ago)
[00:49]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, I see a lot of people driving cars that are in much worse shape than the Buick.
[00:49]	schestowitz	they are prisons for status climbers
[00:49]	DaemonFC	Driving down the road making some horrific sound.
[00:49]	schestowitz	or social/career climbers
[00:49]	schestowitz	DaemonFC: food first
[00:49]	schestowitz	baby formula
[00:50]	TR News	 (NEW): Chief Product Officer Leaves Microsoft http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/18/Chief_Product_Officer_Leaves_Microsoft.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/18/Chief_Product_Officer_Leaves_Microsoft.gmi 
[00:50]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Chief Product Officer Leaves Microsoft
[00:50]	TR News	 (NEW): Security Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/18/Security_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/18/Security_Leftovers.1.gmi 
[00:50]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Security Leftovers
[00:50]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/18/today_s_howtos.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/18/today_s_howtos.1.gmi 
[00:50]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
[00:50]	TR News	 (NEW): Audiocasts/Shows: GNU World Order and LINUX Unplugged http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/18/Audiocasts_Shows_GNU_World_Order_and_LINUX_Unplugged.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/18/Audiocasts_Shows_GNU_World_Order_and_LINUX_Unplugged.gmi 
[00:50]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Audiocasts/Shows: GNU World Order and LINUX Unplugged
[00:50]	TR News	 (NEW): IBM and Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers, Firefox on PPC http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/18/IBM_and_Red_Hat_Fedora_Leftovers_Firefox_on_PPC.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/18/IBM_and_Red_Hat_Fedora_Leftovers_Firefox_on_PPC.gmi 
[00:50]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines IBM and Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers, Firefox on PPC
[00:51]	schestowitz	DaemonFC: baby foruma here,
[00:51]	schestowitz	went down from 1kg
[00:51]	schestowitz	to 900gr
[00:51]	schestowitz	then 800gr
[00:51]	schestowitz	also 500gm became 450 and 400
[00:51]	schestowitz	so there you go
[00:51]	DaemonFC	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/fwupd#Setup_for_UEFI_upgrade
[00:51]	TR Bot	 fwupd - ArchWiki
[00:51]	DaemonFC	"Warning: An update to your UEFI firmware may discard the current boot loader installation. It may be necessary to recreate the NVRAM entry (for example using efibootmgr) after the firmware update has been installed successfully."
[00:51]	schestowitz	thankfully the salaries also increased 20% this past year
[00:51]	schestowitz	also: have kids
[00:51]	schestowitz	or NY Times will mock you
[00:52]	DaemonFC	Yes, this happened to Windows on this laptop right after I installed a UEFI flash.
[00:52]	schestowitz	<DaemonFC> "Warning: An update to your UEFI firmware may discard the current boot loader installation. It may be necessary to recreate the NVRAM entry (for example using efibootmgr) after the firmware update has been installed successfully."
[00:52]	schestowitz	go back to old bios
[00:52]	schestowitz	problem solved
[00:53]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2022/04/08/planned-obsolescence-ibm/
[00:53]	TR Bot	 IBM and Fedora: Stop Being Poor! Buy a New PC! | Techrights
[00:54]	TR News	"corrupt adoption system" according to corrupt NY Times. Meanwhile, is not corrupt. Just vote Biden and witness him do MIRACLES! https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/17/world/asia/south-korea-adoption.html
[00:54]	TR Bot	 South Korean Adoptions and a Nations Painful Past - The New York Times
[00:55]	TR News	Corporate media controlled by looters and plunderers: we ALMOST had a recession. ALMOST. But the system works! Unlike 50% or the US adult population!
[00:56]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, I'm going to figure out how to remove Shim from Debian.
[00:56]	DaemonFC	I don't know right now if removing it will fuck something up and leave the computer unbootable.
[00:56]	schestowitz	Shimmy Shimmy  bangbang
[00:56]	DaemonFC	I have "Secure Boot" off.
[00:57]	schestowitz	"get rid of this Microsoft sandwich
[00:57]	schestowitz	DaemonFC: security is also assurance you can boot
[00:58]	schestowitz	if you can be booted from your own server, it's not secuity
[00:58]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2020/07/30/wontboot-meme/ http://techrights.org/2020/07/30/wontboot/
[00:58]	TR Bot	 [Meme] It Was Only a Matter of Time All Along | Techrights
[00:58]	TR Bot	 Karma or Hubris? Is #TorvaldsWasRight a Thing Now? | Techrights
[00:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 34.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 215.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
● Sep 19
[01:00]	MinceR	19 014807 <+schestowitz> MinceR: if you work from home, good
[01:00]	MinceR	i do, most of the time
[01:01]	TR News	Windows down to 25% market share in Spain? https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share#monthly-eu-202309-map
[01:01]	TR Bot	 Operating System Market Share Worldwide | Statcounter Global Stats
[01:02]	DaemonFC	https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot/Discussion
[01:02]	TR Bot	 SecureBoot/Discussion - Debian Wiki
[01:02]	DaemonFC	"code must not be subject to GPLv3, "or any license that purports to give someone the right to demand authorization keys to be able to install modified forms of the code on a device. Code that is subject to such a license that has already been signed might have that signature revoked. For example, GRUB 2 is licensed under GPLv3 and wont be signed." "
[01:12]	psydruid	lol
[01:14]	TR News	You Know the World Wide Web is Tied to a Particular Web Browser When... | Techrights http://techrights.org/2023/09/18/world-wide-web-is-tied-to-chrome/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2023/09/18/world-wide-web-is-tied-to-chrome/
[01:14]	psydruid	as if there's anyone who wants to sign Bill Gates' CoC
[01:14]	TR Bot	 You Know the World Wide Web is Tied to a Particular Web Browser When | Techrights
[01:15]	schestowitz	ibm loves swpats
[01:15]	schestowitz	gplv3 deals with some
[01:15]	schestowitz	waiving right to "sue"
[01:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-18.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-19.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[01:21]	schestowitz	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=vggF3VIzVpI
[01:21]	TR Bot	 IBM Linux Commercial - Invidious
[01:29]	TR News	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D1044.jpg
[01:29]	TR News	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D718.jpg
[01:31]	TR News	"At any given moment, I'm juggling conflicting ideas on the concept of technological detachment. I have a visceral distaste for talking to Siri, having Google map a route to my destination, or purchasing digital streaming video or audio or games." gemini://ennui_institute.smol.pub/curation-or-isolation
[01:32]	TR News	"I have made an announcement post for the AuraGem Public Radio that has more information on Supported Clients as well as a new project that I intend to work on very soon" gemini://station.martinrue.com/clseibold/9619681aefd14eadbadca5bd6c792af2
[01:32]	TR News	"I'm not a big fan of systemd due to it taking over so many parts of the system. If it were just an init system I'd be more open to it." gemini://station.martinrue.com/aelspire/96eecc9a110f44c7b9c0342b5b8a224b
[01:33]	TR News	"Just a quick gemlog post." Many new ones. gemini://arkd.flounder.online/gemlog/2023-09-18.gmi
[01:34]	TR News	AuraGem Public Radio Bugfix gemini://bbs.geminispace.org/s/AuraGem/5407
[01:36]	eidolon	Robert Duvall and Martin Sheen both appear in early 1960s 'The Outer Limits' episodes, and now I expect more of the cast of Apocalypse Now.
[01:36]	eidolon	There is also the guy that plays Uncle Leo in Seinfeld. He looks exactly the same.
[01:37]	schestowitz	is he still alive?
[01:38]	eidolon	Maybe. Some others from the Seinfeld/Costanza family fame died recently.
[01:39]	schestowitz	iirc, george's "dad" died some years ago
[01:39]	eidolon	Martin Sheen looks and talks much more like Emilio Estevez when he was a younger man, where later there is more likeness toward Charlie.
[01:40]	eidolon	He is in some episode called "The Invisibles", with an interesting premise.
[01:41]	eidolon	Oh "Nightmare", rather
[01:42]	eidolon	They run a psyop on soldiers to see how they behave under interplanetary POW conditions.
[01:42]	eidolon	There's a thread there that ultimately runs into Apocalypse Now.
[01:43]	TR News	10 Years Ago, When GNU Had Almost Turned 30, Richard Stallman Gave This Internet Hall of Fame Induction Speech | Techrights http://techrights.org/2023/09/18/internet-hall-of-fame-rms-speech/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2023/09/18/internet-hall-of-fame-rms-speech/
[01:43]	TR Bot	 10 Years Ago, When GNU Had Almost Turned 30, Richard Stallman Gave This Internet Hall of Fame Induction Speech | Techrights
[01:44]	eidolon	Uncle Leo is in "The Invisibles" episode, though.
[01:44]	eidolon	:D
[01:45]	eidolon	I remember him from the episode where he is caught stealing books from the bookstore and he feigns senility to get out of trouble.
[01:45]	eidolon	"All the senior citizens do it!"
[01:45]	eidolon	I thought I paid for them. I'm confused! Are you my grandson?
[01:46]	schestowitz	we jad that here too
[01:46]	schestowitz	people spamming and vandalism
[01:46]	eidolon	The loss prevention guys at the bookstore swarm him like a pack of Secret Service agents.
[01:46]	schestowitz	then plead "autustic"
[01:47]	schestowitz	years later pleading "trans"
[01:47]	schestowitz	as if those things make it ok to break the law and abuse people
[01:47]	eidolon	Anything to not have to take a personal responsibility.
[01:48]	schestowitz	ethe secret service in the us is not even secret
[01:48]	eidolon	It is something that happened *to* you.
[01:48]	schestowitz	it's easy to tell who they are
[01:48]	schestowitz	esp. the non-plain clothed ones
[01:49]	eidolon	By now I would be at least smart enough to use the archetypal Secret Service guys with the earpiece, etc, as a diversion.
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[01:49]	eidolon	You can put the spring chickens in those positions.
[01:49]	eidolon	So that you think ye know where they are.
[01:49]	eidolon	And to make their presence seem more ubiquitous.
[01:50]	eidolon	Which, is probably the case.
[01:50]	eidolon	We hope, maybe.
[01:51]	eidolon	There's not a single NON-Secret Service man in the whole place!
[01:51]	schestowitz	is had quite a few assassinatioins
[01:51]	schestowitz	inc. presidents
[01:51]	schestowitz	what's secret is their methods and tools
[01:52]	schestowitz	for instance, i assume they have some long-range metal detection
[01:52]	schestowitz	in case someone carries a concealed firearm
[01:53]	eidolon	Classically trained on the theremin by the late Clara Rockmore.
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[01:54]	eidolon	(Leon and his 'Great Seal bug')
[01:54]	schestowitz	in japan, someone even came with a long barrel
[01:54]	schestowitz	and killed abe
[01:55]	eidolon	https://cryptomuseum.com/covert/bugs/thing/index.htm
[01:55]	TR Bot	 The Thing
[01:55]	schestowitz	japan underestimated his haters
[01:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 34.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 215.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
● Sep 19
[02:00]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, Now Matt GULAG attacks Stallman for "Not training someone to replace him."?
[02:00]	DaemonFC	So he attacked Stallman and now complains he wants a handpicked successor?
[02:01]	schestowitz	ypu see, 
[02:01]	schestowitz	rms is evil
[02:01]	schestowitz	because he does not walk away
[02:01]	DaemonFC	Most of the Stallman haters are people who (1) have some connection to Microsoft or (2) people who at least want some sort of control freakery over their users so they claim the GPL "restricts" them from doing that.
[02:01]	schestowitz	and gulagboy does not like him
[02:01]	schestowitz	so he MUST go away
[02:01]	DaemonFC	RMS will probably outlive Garrett.
[02:01]	schestowitz	meanwhile, gulagboly invites MICROSOFT STAFF to his cave
[02:01]	schestowitz	while they invade OSI
[02:01]	schestowitz	DaemonFC: _eye_ see
[02:02]	DaemonFC	If RMS even lives another 10 years that could be the case.
[02:02]	schestowitz	50 years of gnu
[02:02]	DaemonFC	Garrett transmits damaging information about his poor state of health.
[02:02]	schestowitz	half century
[02:02]	DaemonFC	Great idea to make oneself more employable.
[02:02]	DaemonFC	What do American employers hate more than anything?
[02:02]	schestowitz	staff on sick leave
[02:02]	DaemonFC	Sick employees who cost group insurance plans money.
[02:03]	TR News	Gemini Links 18/09/2023: Systemd Rants and Flatpak integration in Qubes OS | Techrights http://techrights.org/2023/09/18/flatpak-integration-in-qubes-os/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2023/09/18/flatpak-integration-in-qubes-os/
[02:03]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, They hate you more for costing their group plan money than for being on FMLA itself.
[02:03]	TR Bot	 Gemini Links 18/09/2023: Systemd Rants and Flatpak integration in Qubes OS | Techrights
[02:03]	DaemonFC	FMLA just says they have to hold your job open for you, without pay.
[02:04]	DaemonFC	Medical bills can quickly rack up to unlimited amounts of money, very quickly.
[02:04]	DaemonFC	So you put the two together and they look for ways to shitcan you, legally.
[02:04]	DaemonFC	The way they see it, you're not even performing work and you might cost them two years salary because your appendix ruptured or something.
[02:05]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, It's not even the hourly pay rate that's causing Walmart to invest in robots.
[02:05]	DaemonFC	It's the medical bills.
[02:05]	DaemonFC	The employee health insurance plans going up every year.
[02:05]	DaemonFC	It's the same in the fast food industry.
[02:06]	DaemonFC	If you go by hourly pay and the cost to maintain the robot, it'll never be worth it.
[02:06]	schestowitz	mp service, no business
[02:06]	DaemonFC	But when you throw in the American healthcare system, time to get some robots.
[02:06]	schestowitz	choose shops that pay people
[02:06]	TR News	Links 18/09/2023: GNUHealth Hospital Management 4.2.2 and Celluloid Video Player 0.26 Released | Techrights http://techrights.org/2023/09/18/gnuhealth-hospital-management-4-2-2/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2023/09/18/gnuhealth-hospital-management-4-2-2/
[02:06]	schestowitz	*no service
[02:06]	TR Bot	 Links 18/09/2023: GNUHealth Hospital Management 4.2.2 and Celluloid Video Player 0.26 Released | Techrights
[02:08]	DaemonFC	https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/SecureBoot/DKMS
[02:08]	TR Bot	 UEFI/SecureBoot/DKMS - Ubuntu Wiki
[02:08]	DaemonFC	So you can set up this mokutil thing to just not validate anything after the bootloader exits.
[02:08]	eidolon	gopher://gopherpedia.com/0/Leon%20Theremin
[02:08]	DaemonFC	That might be an option if you run into a system where turning it off in the UEFI setup is no longer possible.
[02:08]	DaemonFC	But it's not ideal.
[02:09]	TR News	 (NEW): Open Hardware and Linux Devices http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/19/Open_Hardware_and_Linux_Devices.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/19/Open_Hardware_and_Linux_Devices.gmi 
[02:09]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Open Hardware and Linux Devices
[02:09]	TR News	 (NEW): Software: Alternatives and Releases http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/19/Software_Alternatives_and_Releases.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/19/Software_Alternatives_and_Releases.gmi 
[02:09]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Software: Alternatives and Releases
[02:09]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/19/today_s_leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/19/today_s_leftovers.gmi 
[02:09]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's leftovers
[02:09]	TR News	 (NEW): Gemini Articles of Interest http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/19/Gemini_Articles_of_Interest.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/19/Gemini_Articles_of_Interest.gmi 
[02:09]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Gemini Articles of Interest
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[02:10]	eidolon	An instrument featured heavily in the salad days of scifi tv/radio drama, so it come full circule.
[02:11]		*schestowitz gives voice to ZedHedTed
[02:13]	MinceR	ah yes, Salad Days >> https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6qsd26   (starts around 22:33)
[02:13]	TR Bot	Python's Flying Circus Salad Days S03E07 - video Dailymotion
[02:14]	TR News	NYC schools are tightening cybersecurity. Some educators fear unintended consequences. https://ny.chalkbeat.org/2023/9/18/23879342/new-york-city-cybersecurity-email-data-breach-rules-nyc-schools-education-department
[02:14]	TR Bot	 NYC schools move to tighten cybersecurity after data breaches - Chalkbeat New York
[02:15]	TR News	Delete Windows, purge Microsoft. A necessary start. https://edtechmagazine.com/k12/article/2023/09/k-12-it-administrators-encounter-additional-security-controls-users-under-18
[02:15]	TR Bot	 K12 IT Administrators Encounter Additional Security Controls for Users Under 18 | EdTech Magazine
[02:16]	TR News	"Los Angeles-based law firm Hill, Farrer & Burrill was slapped with a data breach class action over allegations it detected a data breach in March 2022 but waited over a year to inform affected individuals their personal information had been leaked." https://www.law.com/therecorder/2023/09/18/law-firm-accused-of-waiting-more-than-a-year-to-inform-affected-parties-about-data-breach/
[02:16]	TR Bot	 Firm Sued After Waiting to Inform Individuals Their Information Was Leaked | The Recorder
[02:17]	TR News	"On September 15, DataBreaches reached out to VPN via their website contact form. No reply was received. A second inquiry was sent today, requesting that they answer some questions via email or telephone. No reply has been received, though." https://www.databreaches.net/visiting-physicians-network-in-texas-silent-about-ransomware-attack-and-incident-response/
[02:17]	TR Bot	 Visiting Physicians Network in Texas silent about ransomware attack and incident response
[02:18]	TR News	Windows TCO https://www.databreaches.net/more-victims-of-moveit-breach-are-revealed-nuance-discloses-for-covered-entities/
[02:18]	TR Bot	 More victims of MOVEit breach are revealed: Nuance discloses for covered entities.
[02:19]	TR News	Also smacks of Windows https://www.europe1.fr/faits-divers/cyberattaque-dune-commune-bretonne-des-donnees-privees-diffusees-4204278
[02:19]	TR Bot	 Cyberattaque d'une commune bretonne : des donnes prives diffuses
[02:19]	eidolon	For some those days were not so important (side-salad days)
[02:19]	eidolon	D;
[02:19]	eidolon	Computerphile did a video on this recent TETRABURST: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Fy3Odm-dny0
[02:19]	TR Bot	 TETRA Vulnerability (TETRA:BURST) - Computerphile - Invidious
[02:20]	TR News	"On February 25th, 2022, Anonymous officially declared war on Russia in response to the Russian-Ukrainian war. What I witnessed in the aftermath is disturbing." https://cybernews.com/cyber-war/influencing-anonymous-experiment/
[02:20]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://cybernews.com/cyber-war/influencing-anonymous-experiment/ )
[02:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-18.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-19.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[02:23]	TR News	This seems like deliberate lies or disinformation because: 1) Microsoft fired ALL the "metaverse" stuff this year; 2) Microsoft disbanded the entire unit! https://www.xrtoday.com/mixed-reality/nexco-east-leverages-microsofts-metaverse/
[02:23]	TR Bot	 Nexco-East Leverages Microsoft's Metaverse - XR Today
[02:24]	eidolon	hah, nice monty python
[02:24]	TR News	Shitty media running sob stories for very greedy GAFAM operatives. Get a real job that contribute to society instead. https://www.indiatoday.in/technology/news/story/ex-google-employee-says-she-is-the-sole-earner-of-family-needs-to-find-new-dream-after-losing-job-2437301-2023-09-18
[02:24]	TR Bot	 Ex-Google employee says she is the sole earner of family, needs to find new dream after losing job - India Today
[02:25]	TR News	HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI shitposting https://diginomica.com/enterprise-hits-and-misses-smart-cars-arent-private-dreamforce-does-ai-and-ethical-ai-debt-thing
[02:25]	TR Bot	 Enterprise hits and misses - smart cars aren't private, Dreamforce does AI, and ethical AI debt is a thing
[02:25]	eidolon	s/dream/job
[02:26]	schestowitz	"cheap car"
[02:26]	eidolon	s/ after.*$/.
[02:26]	schestowitz	"mortgage owner"
[02:27]	schestowitz	"microsoft USER"
[02:28]	TR News	4 years passed. 3-5 vaccines (experiments) did not solve the issue. Next step: MOAR of the same. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-66818046
[02:28]	TR Bot	 Covid boosters: Over-65s called for jabs as hospital cases rise - BBC News
[02:28]	eidolon	user/puppy-mounter https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ReQMA5RzWds
[02:28]	TR Bot	 Mounting the Puppy - Invidious
[02:31]	TR News	Torvalds: I use "Web browser"... "which is how I read email" x-| https://yewtu.be/watch?v=jYUZAF3ePFE
[02:31]	TR Bot	 Linus Torvalds Guided Tour of His Home Office - Invidious
[02:32]	TR News	Why I Recommend the GPL License. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=zzmNA2iySEs
[02:33]	TR Bot	 Why I Recommend the GPL License. - Invidious
[02:34]	TR News	Torvalds: without the compiler of GNU (started by RMS) I'd not be able to make Linux https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Z8ugRM3-twc
[02:34]	TR Bot	 Linus Torvalds on GNU/Linux - Invidious
[02:36]	DaemonFC	https://www.linkedin.com/posts/hughsient_15-years-at-red-hat-today-quite-a-journey-activity-7044939584769552384-Pvxr
[02:36]	TR Bot	Hughes on LinkedIn: 15 years at Red Hat today! Quite a journey, and something I'm very proud
[02:36]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, The guy behind LVFS.
[02:39]	DaemonFC	https://www.phoronix.com/news/Nouveau-Maintainer-Resigns
[02:39]	TR Bot	Maintainer Of The NVIDIA Open-Source "Nouveau" Linux Kernel Driver Resigns - Phoronix
[02:40]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, Ben Skeggs resigned from Red Hat.
[02:41]	MinceR	employed by MICROS~1 ally dehomag, bragging about LVFS at MICROS~1.
[02:43]	schestowitz	"Hughski LimitedHughski Limited
[02:43]	schestowitz	Nov 2011 - May 2019 7 yrs 7 mos"
[02:43]	schestowitz	sounds like he fancies russian
[02:43]	schestowitz	"Richard Hughes (He/Him)  2nd degree connection2nd
[02:43]	schestowitz	Firmware Troublemaker"
[02:43]	schestowitz	"Firmware Troublemaker"
[02:44]	schestowitz	his job title for himself
[02:44]	schestowitz	but he left 6 months ago
[02:44]	schestowitz	just before the mass layoffs
[02:44]	schestowitz	end of april
[02:46]	eidolon	https://resource.openra.net/maps/52115/
[02:46]	TR Bot	 OpenRA Resource Center - Map details - Europe Balanced: WW3 Edition
[02:47]	eidolon	Pretty good one. :D
[02:48]	eidolon	A handy RSS link, praise be.
[02:50]	TR News	Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-180923.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-180923.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-social-180923.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-180923.txt
[02:50]	TR Bot	 IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, September 18, 2023
[02:51]	TR News	Yesterday's #techrights IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-180923.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-180923.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techrights-180923.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techrights-180923.txt
[02:51]	TR Bot	 IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, September 18, 2023
[02:51]	eidolon	Though I downloaded the version where the riflemen are deaf-mute. Which is understandable.
[02:51]	eidolon	"shell shock"
[02:52]	TR News	Yesterday's #boycottnovell IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-180923.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-180923.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-180923.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-180923.txt
[02:52]	TR Bot	 IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, September 18, 2023
[02:53]	TR News	Yesterday's #techbytes IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-180923.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-180923.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techbytes-180923.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techbytes-180923.txt
[02:53]	TR Bot	 IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, September 18, 2023
[02:59]	TR News	Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2023-09-18.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2023-09-18.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now)
[02:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 34.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 215.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
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[03:02]	IPFS	 Gemini requests since start of month:   426756 total Total number of pages in capsule: 48576      Active: active (running) since Wed 2023-03-08 20:27:21 GMT; 6 months 11 days ago
[03:03]	IPFS	 IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated.      
[03:04]	IPFS	 New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled.
[03:05]	TR News	Links 18/09/2023: GNUHealth Hospital Management 4.2.2 and Celluloid Video Player 0.26 Released | Techrights http://techrights.org/2023/09/18/gnuhealth-hospital-management-4-2-2/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2023/09/18/gnuhealth-hospital-management-4-2-2/
[03:05]	TR Bot	 Links 18/09/2023: GNUHealth Hospital Management 4.2.2 and Celluloid Video Player 0.26 Released | Techrights
[03:07]	AdmFubar	https://www.databreaches.net/nyc-schools-are-tightening-cybersecurity-some-educators-fear-unintended-consequences/
[03:07]	TR Bot	 NYC schools are tightening cybersecurity. Some educators fear unintended consequences.
[03:10]	schestowitz	crackers will TEACH them a LESSOn
[03:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-18.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-19.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[03:35]	ZedHedTed	there's a GNU Health? wow. Stallman has done it all.
[03:35]	ZedHedTed	also, HEY HI
[03:42]		*MinceR gives voice to u-amarsh04
[03:43]	DaemonFC	Phoronix is using WebP for their images.
[03:44]	ZedHedTed	bedtime
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[08:55]	schestowitz[TR]	lightbringer: ping
[08:56]	schestowitz[TR]	can you find kaniini online anywhere?
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● Sep 19
[09:02]	schestowitz[TR]	"Hi,
[09:02]	schestowitz[TR]	About 5 hours ago irc, tuxmachines old, techrights old, and HV became unavailable. tuxmachines new is still online, so I wonder if IP address changed?
[09:02]	schestowitz[TR]	I could not find you anywhere in Libera and OFTC.
[09:02]	schestowitz[TR]	Kind regards and lots of thanks!
[09:02]	schestowitz[TR]	Roy and Rianne"
[09:43]	schestowitz[TR]	Hi,
[09:43]	schestowitz[TR]	I've just seen this: https://nondeterministic.computer/@ariadne@treehouse.systems/111089620311415675
[09:43]	schestowitz[TR]	To be clear, this morning rianne and I both tested positive for COVID-19 (I woke up 2 hours ago this morning), for the first time. This adds to already bad health. :(
[09:43]	schestowitz[TR]	Can I get back in just to transfer the files, please? I can get another host and I can pay you for all the help and work.
[09:43]	schestowitz[TR]	Can I phone you, please?
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[13:55]	lightbringer	schestowitz[TR]: pong
[13:57]	lightbringer	schestowitz[TR]: Ariadne is online on illibera
● Sep 19
[14:05]	schestowitz[TR]	which channel/s?
[14:09]	lightbringer	##moshpit #voidlinux show up on whois, i'm there also
[14:09]	lightbringer	i don't know where else
[14:09]	lightbringer	also, i did say TR should have been made rehostable so we could have multiple instances of it online
[14:16]	schestowitz[TR]	i remember
[14:23]	lightbringer	ariadne is also on oftc on a lot of non-secret alpine channels
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[14:39]	psydroid	what happened to the IRC server?
[14:49]	schestowitz[TR]	guss
[14:49]	schestowitz[TR]	guess
[14:50]	psydroid	ddos'ed and/or cracked?
[14:51]	schestowitz[TR]	no
[14:51]	psydroid	or maintenance
[14:51]	schestowitz[TR]	no
● Sep 19
[15:06]	lightbringer	schestowitz[TR]: has ariadne told you about this before pulling the plug?
[15:07]	schestowitz[TR]	no
[15:07]	psydroid	do you have any backups?
[15:07]	lightbringer	naturally
[15:08]	lightbringer	(audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuB6gB622iY
[15:09]	schestowitz[TR]	the site will be ok
[15:09]	psydroid	I don't know if you still have any communication channel with the admin, but this shows how important it is to have full control over your infrastructure and data
[15:09]	schestowitz[TR]	we're working towards a solution
[15:27]	lightbringer	psydroid: https://social.treehouse.systems/@ariadne/111089620326392544
[15:29]	psydroid	I'm glad it has finally happened after threats to pull the plug were made a few years ago
[15:30]	lightbringer	well, my offer to host techrights irc channels on umbrellanet still stands. i confirmed that we do block tor over there, via efnet rbl
[15:31]	lightbringer	if we want tor users, we could bridge the channels to a network that allows them
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[15:33]	psydroid	what about the domain name(s)? who owns that/those?
[15:38]	psydroid	yes, a temporary IRC presence would be better than nothing
[15:38]	psydroid	although we still have this server for emergencies
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[16:39]	schestowitz[TR]	Techrights needs new hosting
[16:39]	schestowitz[TR]	Any recommendations would be good, or referrals
[16:43]	schestowitz[TR]	> HI Rianne
[16:43]	schestowitz[TR]	> Hope your safe and well.
[16:43]	schestowitz[TR]	> Sure we can help with a dedicated server for you.
[16:43]	schestowitz[TR]	> Maybe we can have a quick chat over the phone to discuss this a little 
[16:43]	schestowitz[TR]	> further?
[16:43]	schestowitz[TR]	> If you can provide me with your number and the best time to call.
[16:43]	schestowitz[TR]	Preferably right now as it's a bit urgent.
● Sep 19
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[18:44]	jrmu	is techrights down?
[18:44]	jrmu	techrights.org's irc server isn't resolving for me
[18:44]	Guest90	yes
[18:44]	Guest90	the people who vandalised the channel convinced the sysadmin to do this
[18:44]		*You are now known as schestowitz
[18:44]		-NickServ-This nickname is registered. Please choose a different nickname, or identify via /msg NickServ IDENTIFY schestowitz <password>
[18:45]	jrmu	greetings schestowitz 
[18:46]	jrmu	oh what happened? it wasn't a technical error?
[18:46]	schestowitz	no
[18:46]	jrmu	oh sorry to hear it, hm
[18:46]	schestowitz	the people whom we reported the police for crimes tried to convince the host to take all the sites and containers down
[18:47]	jrmu	oh wow :(
[18:47]	schestowitz	do you know anyone who does hosting for a fair price?
[18:47]	jrmu	we may be able to offer hosting, we're trying to host ourselves
[18:47]	jrmu	apart from us, there's buyvm and dataideas that I've personally used
[18:49]	jrmu	the providers we are currently using are https://buyvm.net and https://dataideas.com
[18:49]	schestowitz	interesting
[18:49]	jrmu	we could help with irc hosting or server hosting if you need it, although check PM
[18:50]	jrmu	I'm not familiar with GNU/Linux though, I'm mostly using openbsd. It should work but you'd need to test it
[18:50]	jrmu	I can get you a vps to test with if you'd like
[18:51]	jrmu	I know debian worked ok on our hypervisor
[18:51]	jrmu	but if you're using a more exotic distro, you'll have to research
[18:52]	schestowitz	i need to first look into a new host for the sites too
● Sep 19
[19:52]	lightbringer	Shooting holes in my RWS sign! >> (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPzBjff1kjw
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[20:06]	XRevan86	https://social.treehouse.systems/@ariadne/111093296632492837 That sure is interesting.
[20:08]	XRevan86	Anyone around on this foresaken network? I'd assume so.
[20:08]	XRevan86	lightbringer:
[20:09]	lightbringer	o/
[20:09]	XRevan86	\o
[20:10]	XRevan86	lightbringer: What's the info?
[20:10]	lightbringer	the one you linked, including an earlier message in its thread
[20:10]	lightbringer	oh, also, ariadne did not notify Roy in advance
[20:11]	XRevan86	Is it known who made the complaint? Is it connected to the criminal case Roy opened earlier?
[20:11]	lightbringer	if anyone even made any complaint, it was probably from another MICROS~1 drone
[20:11]	XRevan86	It's not hard for me to imagine it backfiring.
[20:11]	lightbringer	but now ariadne showed their true colors
[20:11]	lightbringer	it's not hard to imagine the redmond mafia having pull at various states
[20:11]	lightbringer	it's what they do, after all
[20:12]	lightbringer	and, sadly, TR infrastructure was neither redundant nor censorship-resistant
[20:12]	lightbringer	but here's the chance to fix that
[20:12]	XRevan86	"oh, also, ariadne did not notify Roy in advance" <- These things could be very sudden, no?
[20:12]	lightbringer	only if the people acting want it to be
[20:12]	lightbringer	and have no backbone
[20:13]	lightbringer	we could have a static site that can be synchronized via git to many hosts and we could have site archives disseminated over bittorrent
[20:13]	lightbringer	and we could have a better irc host
[20:14]	XRevan86	"redmond mafia" <- Doubtful. It takes one elusive woman.
[20:14]	lightbringer	one who admitted to being a big fan of the redmond mafia
[20:15]	XRevan86	One can be a fan of many things.
[20:16]	XRevan86	I'm a bit surprised that schestowitz's personal web site is up but he mentioned nothing about this there.
[20:17]	lightbringer	it's hosted elsewhere, apparently
[20:18]	XRevan86	https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2023/09/19/no-plan-to-defeat-covid-19/
[20:20]	XRevan86	https://nondeterministic.computer/@mjg59/111090857940508223
[20:23]	XRevan86	I think it's safe to assume that elusive_woman and/or the articles blaming mjg59 are in the centre of this.
[20:23]	XRevan86	schestowitz made way too many logical leaps there.
[20:24]	XRevan86	He kept saying he has more proof on the way but never delivered.
[20:25]	lightbringer	no, the mistake was putting ariadne in a position where they could pull the plug in the first place
[20:25]	XRevan86	They weren't exactly the one who pulled the plug.
[20:25]	lightbringer	then who
[20:25]	XRevan86	It's legal stuff.
[20:26]	lightbringer	it was formulated to make it sound legal
[20:26]	lightbringer	doesn't mean it's legal
[20:26]	XRevan86	Where was it hosted anyway? I forgot.
[20:26]	lightbringer	i have yet to see any evidence that any jurists were involved, or any formal complaint was made in writing
[20:26]	XRevan86	AWS?
[20:27]	lightbringer	whois says "system in place"
[20:27]	lightbringer	but their website says they're in california
[20:27]	XRevan86	Yea, found it.
[20:28]	XRevan86	> AS398493's service to techrights.org has been discontinued due to reported violations of RCW 4.24.792(1)(b) and 4.24.792(1)(c).  This decision is final.
[20:28]	XRevan86	This looks like a quote from a company, not like a personal statement from Ariadne.
[20:28]	XRevan86	Therefore, System In Place terminated service.
[20:28]	lightbringer	to me, it looks like someone being elusive and trying to make an informal whine look like a formal complaint
[20:29]	XRevan86	Do ye really think there was no formal complaint?
[20:29]	lightbringer	as long as i see no evidence to the contrary, yes.
[20:29]	XRevan86	I could see it happening a kilometre away.
[20:29]	lightbringer	those people are so cheap they wouldn't even spend money on a vpn
[20:30]	lightbringer	they were trying to evade klines using tor and gratis vpn-s
[20:30]	XRevan86	The beef with mjg59 was public, elusive_woman was taking wild measures to troll.
[20:30]	XRevan86	Way too many people could get involved.
[20:30]	lightbringer	i don't think a lot of people need to get involved in the case of a host who 1) signed the anti-rms letter and 2) tried to influence what gets published on the site before
[20:31]	XRevan86	Oi, Ariadne didn't need to invent a story to cut ties with techrights
[20:32]	XRevan86	They could can say "I don't want to deal with this crap", give the drive images and leave.
[20:32]	lightbringer	rather, the story was invented long ago
[20:32]	lightbringer	doesn't mean we have to believe the story
[20:32]	XRevan86	* could just say
[20:32]	XRevan86	Ariadne owes schestowitz nothing.
[20:33]	XRevan86	lightbringer: Tell me this: is it in Ariadne's character to fabricate stories for senseless drama?
[20:34]	lightbringer	at this point, who knows
[20:34]	lightbringer	i don't really have the stomach to follow these people on the fediverse
[20:35]	lightbringer	(audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qbrLiGY4Cg   =   https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/apple's-soldered-in-ssds-are-engineered:9
[20:35]	XRevan86	Regardless, schestowitz needs to get his drive images from them.
[20:35]	lightbringer	^ Apple's soldered-in SSDs are engineered in the WORST way possible!
[20:35]	lightbringer	indeed
[20:35]	lightbringer	though i would hope that he has copies of all the important data already
[20:37]	XRevan86	Probably does.
[20:44]	XRevan86	Ukraine is slowly receiving a lesson on that trying to deny something on which the evidence is already in the wild is not going to end in good press.
[20:45]	XRevan86	lightbringer: And the lesson for you is that yes-mannery is going to end badly too.
[20:45]	lightbringer	what are they trying to deny?
[20:45]	lightbringer	everything is going to end well, in the sense that the human species is going to go extinct and their legacy is going to be turned into plasma
[20:45]	XRevan86	lightbringer: That they fired the missile that hit the market in Kostiantynivka.
[20:46]	XRevan86	September 6th
[20:46]	lightbringer	this is very likely the best possible outcome for humanity
[20:47]	XRevan86	I'll talk more about this once #techpol on irc.techrights.org is back online.
[20:47]	lightbringer	lol
[20:48]	XRevan86	I'm an optimist, what
[20:49]	XRevan86	https://nytimes.com/2023/09/18/world/europe/ukraine-missile-kostiantynivka-market.html "Evidence Suggests Ukrainian Missile Caused Market Tragedy"
[20:49]	XRevan86	Anyway, here it is.
[20:49]	XRevan86	Once #techpol is up, make a face like ye see it for the first time :)
[20:50]	lightbringer	:)
[20:50]	lightbringer	you won't see my face anyway
[20:51]	XRevan86	* make an impression
[20:52]	XRevan86	":)" is also a face after all.
[20:52]	lightbringer	not my face, though
[20:54]	XRevan86	Debatable
[20:55]	XRevan86	lightbringer: Regarding your responsibility, ye saw that the evidence is lacking but ye didn't try to keep schestowitz in check.
[20:55]	XRevan86	I tried but obviously I don't have enough leverage.
[20:56]	lightbringer	i'm not his keeper
[20:56]	lightbringer	and i don't have leverage either
[20:56]	XRevan86	At least it would've been two voices instead of one.
[20:56]	lightbringer	also, we took freedom of speech so far we let mjg stick around for years
[20:56]	XRevan86	I never really cared about him.
[20:57]	XRevan86	And this story is not really about him either, it's about going too far with allegations.
[20:57]	lightbringer	it's about mjg, looza, ariadne and the rest of the cult
[20:57]	XRevan86	There are laws against that.
[20:58]	lightbringer	yeah, it was a mistake to let any state meddle in TR's affairs.
[20:58]	lightbringer	especially one that is so deeply corrupted by MICROS~1 and dehomag.
[20:58]	XRevan86	And it's also about journalistic integrity.
[20:58]	XRevan86	Not liking someone does not give one the right to make up stuff about them.
[20:58]	lightbringer	you can't have journalistic integrity where the state decides what you're allowed to say.
[20:59]	lightbringer	especially when it's a state that happily ignores its own rules once it makes deals with the offending corporations
[20:59]	XRevan86	I'm sure if schestowitz wrote articles where every word is justified by reasonable evidence, he would've been safe from that stand point.
● Sep 19
[21:00]	lightbringer	TR used to cite tons of evidence for its major statements, afaict that's history now. sadly.
[21:12]	XRevan86	I'm very happy about how many critical comments there are under https://youtu.be/Vc-ZC0Hiyvk
[21:12]	XRevan86	And that's why Ukraine is not Russia
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[21:14]	IsambardPrince	schestowitz: Ping
[21:15]	lightbringer	ukraine making mistakes doesn't surprise me
[21:15]	lightbringer	but it could have been avoided by nuking orcland
[21:19]	XRevan86	Tragedies happen at war, obviously had to have happened. But there are two parts to a mistake: 1. making a mistake; 2. owning up to it.
[21:20]	XRevan86	Obviously Russia's ultimately to blame for making the war a reality.
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[21:25]	XRevan86	And by analogy Russia killed a civilian on Friday on occupied territory with a malfunctioning guided aerial bomb.
[21:26]	XRevan86	Not even the first time they malfunction.
[21:26]	XRevan86	Russia blamed Ukraine of course.
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[22:17]	lightbringer	(cat) https://ircz.de/p/23090157
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[23:13]	lightbringer	(cat) (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYG4VMqatEY   =   https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/horrible-design-of-apple's-soldered-in:0
[23:13]	lightbringer	^ Horrible design of Apple's soldered in SSDs; it's WORSE than you thought!
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[23:41]	XRevan86	https://social.treehouse.systems/@ariadne/111089528697593726
[23:42]	XRevan86	https://tech.lgbt/@starstreak/111087143687359810
[23:42]	XRevan86	https://tech.lgbt/@starstreak/111087433549084540
[23:43]	XRevan86	lightbringer: ^ starstreak got UK police involved over personal attacks
[23:44]	lightbringer	it's interesting how looza never mentions what they've done
[23:44]	lightbringer	poor innocent looza got articles written about for no reason.
[23:44]	lightbringer	but at least looza admitted to making the complaint, that's something
[23:45]	XRevan86	https://social.treehouse.systems/@ariadne/111093265218637113
[23:45]	XRevan86	My suspicion over why schestowitz doesn't speak of it is confirmed.
[23:46]	lightbringer	what's the suspicion?
[23:46]	XRevan86	That it's because UK police is involved and a criminal case is open.
[23:46]	lightbringer	maybe Roy can make complaints about that wordpress blog looza wrote about him, then.
[23:47]	lightbringer	which the MICROS~1 fan club at fediverse somehow also doesn't brag about
[23:47]	XRevan86	lightbringer: If he says anything publically, it can be used against him.
[23:47]	lightbringer	or that they abused Tor to spam it some more.
[23:47]	lightbringer	but yeah, i should have gotten used to it by now
[23:47]	lightbringer	that MICROS~1 is allowed to do anything and everything and everyone else is allowed to die and rot.
[23:47]	lightbringer	including violate antitrust law.
[23:48]	lightbringer	poor MICROS~1 was forced to _also_ offer Backdoors without WMP and without IE for a while, as a boxed product, at any price they felt like.
[23:48]	lightbringer	and they were forced to offer users a choice of browser in the EU for a while
[23:48]	lightbringer	neither of those had any effect and they're both gone
[23:48]	lightbringer	rule of law, my ass
[23:54]	XRevan86	Apparently starstreak is not even employed in the tech industry.
[23:54]	XRevan86	So where does MICROS~1 get involved in this?
[23:54]	lightbringer	many MICROS~1 drones go for a lot longer than they'd like until they're offered a job at MICROS~1
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[23:54]	lightbringer	like icaza
[23:55]	lightbringer	looza expressed their love for MICROS~1 products in some leaked IRC log i saw
[23:55]	XRevan86	Apparently she's a lawyer specialising in transgender rights?
[23:56]	XRevan86	In her fediverse timeline she talks about LibreWolf and LibreOffice.
[23:56]	lightbringer	makes sense
[23:56]	lightbringer	MICROS~1 probably employs many more jurists than developers
[23:57]	lightbringer	it's clear that in their doctrine, every dollar spent on developing products or services would be better spent on corruption, ads or lawyers
[23:59]	XRevan86	Or maybe techrights pissed off an activist who is interested in software freedom and trans-rights.
[23:59]	XRevan86	Ye are doing deadnaming as we speak.