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| danielp3344 | DaemonFC: yes and no | Dec 19 00:00 |
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| danielp3344 | hybrid and electric cars are weird | Dec 19 00:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you watch the real time mileage on my car, it drops to the single digits when you're accelerating, but it gets into the 30s when you're on the highway at 50 miles an hour. | Dec 19 00:00 |
| danielp3344 | in urban driving very little energy is lost to friction and air resistance, so a car with regenerative braking can do very well | Dec 19 00:00 |
| danielp3344 | but on the highway you don't get any energy back | Dec 19 00:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | > the pt cruiser is one of the ugliest cars ever made | Dec 19 00:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | GM hired the asshole who made that piece of shit. | Dec 19 00:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then their cars looked like garbage as well. | Dec 19 00:01 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 19 00:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Not that cars don't all look awful today. | Dec 19 00:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're made for the government, not the people who drive them. | Dec 19 00:01 |
| MinceR | there are some nice looking cars today | Dec 19 00:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They end up with questionable safety features and stuff that cost a lot of money, whether you want them or not. | Dec 19 00:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When airbags were new, they were optional. They usually added $800-900 as extra equipment, and this was when they were front only. | Dec 19 00:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now the government mandates that your car turns into nothing but airbags when you have a crash. | Dec 19 00:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | How much do you think that costs? | Dec 19 00:06 |
| danielp3344 | how many people does it kill yearly | Dec 19 00:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Backup cameras used to be an extra $500-600. | Dec 19 00:06 |
| MinceR | at least they don't fill up with quickly hardening foam ;) | Dec 19 00:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now they're mandatory. | Dec 19 00:06 |
| MinceR | backup cameras are great | Dec 19 00:06 |
| danielp3344 | DaemonFC: backup cameras are stupid | Dec 19 00:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I had this really advanced safety system on my 1985 Jimmy. | Dec 19 00:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was called a mirror. | Dec 19 00:07 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Skimmed through some of those, got to https://youtu.be/6tF-5Xg_byk | Dec 19 00:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Clarke and Dawe - The War in Iraq. Not the Previous One. The Current One. - YouTube | Dec 19 00:07 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | It always told me when I was about to back up over somebody. | Dec 19 00:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | For some reason, you have to have a camera now. | Dec 19 00:07 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: A Space Quest reference %) | Dec 19 00:07 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC[m]: cars tend to have worse visibility toward the rear nowadays | Dec 19 00:08 |
| XRevan86 | or just a boring generic radio reference | Dec 19 00:08 |
| MinceR | smaller windows are fashionable, cars are taller and bigger | Dec 19 00:08 |
| XRevan86 | one of the two | Dec 19 00:08 |
| MinceR | also, tinted windows are common | Dec 19 00:08 |
| MinceR | which help against the summer heat, but don't do much for visibility at night :> | Dec 19 00:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | > smaller windows are fashionable, cars are taller and bigger | Dec 19 00:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So is the rear window wiper that the car wash eventually rips off. | Dec 19 00:10 |
| MinceR | that's why you need manual car wash | Dec 19 00:10 |
| MinceR | well, one of the reasons | Dec 19 00:10 |
| MinceR | there are more finicky pieces that an automatic car wash could damage | Dec 19 00:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: There's not too many self-service bays anymore. | Dec 19 00:10 |
| MinceR | like the ACC radar :> | Dec 19 00:10 |
| MinceR | it doesn't have to be self service | Dec 19 00:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They know about the "bring your own soapy water and a mitt" lifehack so you only have to pay to rinse. | Dec 19 00:11 |
| MinceR | the place where i had my car cleaned, they did it all for me | Dec 19 00:11 |
| danielp3344 | https://newyork.craigslist.org/que/cto/d/rosedale-any-problems-passing-nys/7028018142.html rofl | Dec 19 00:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-newyork.craigslist.org | Any problems passing nys inspection sticker call me ....6467l20735 - cars & trucks - by owner - vehicle automotive sale | Dec 19 00:12 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: One thing I do miss about John is that he appreciated my sense of humor. | Dec 19 00:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We went to a discount furniture chain and pretended to look around sometimes when we were bored. | Dec 19 00:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was joking with him one day we'd have to run because they'd know about the ice cream sandwiches. | Dec 19 00:12 |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/12/14/2b80739fa2827232.jpg | Dec 19 01:32 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/131898 [https://pleroma.site/objects/41805282-1073-430f-8f6e-79352909c92e] | Dec 19 03:18 | |
| oiaohm | https://malt.web.cern.ch/malt/global/malt-table/ reading down this list windows listed as harded PCs. | Dec 19 03:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-malt.web.cern.ch | MALT: Services Alternatives | Dec 19 03:19 | |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 19 03:19 |
| MinceR | how to harden a windows PC: remove windows | Dec 19 03:19 |
| r_schestowitz | put pr0n on it? | Dec 19 03:20 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 19 03:24 |
| MinceR | as they'd say on imgur, "put... put your dick in it" | Dec 19 03:24 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: CERN Endorsing Microsoft Alternatives Like ownCloud, Kopano, Alt-Office Suite http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/131900 [https://pleroma.site/objects/69b48181-2413-4b4e-810b-bf3b89ce62aa] | Dec 19 03:35 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | For some reason, Linux battery life on laptops still leaves something to be desired. | Dec 19 03:50 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mozilla: Research Grants, Compatibility and UX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/131902 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2b9facd4-38e7-49d5-8df8-4c099f34b078] | Dec 19 03:53 | |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: there are a lot of reasons for it. | Dec 19 03:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like what? | Dec 19 03:54 |
| MinceR | laptop manufacturers keeping details on how to get their hardware to waste less power secret | Dec 19 03:54 |
| MinceR | because "fuck anyone who buys our products" | Dec 19 03:54 |
| oiaohm | what MinceR said is kind of right. But its only one of the reasons. | Dec 19 03:57 |
| oiaohm | We have vendors screwing up there ACPI information in bios and loading a driver under windows to fix it. | Dec 19 03:59 |
| oiaohm | bios/UEFI | Dec 19 03:59 |
| MinceR | acpi is cancer | Dec 19 03:59 |
| oiaohm | This results in need todo custom ACPI table at times to get you power management back or worse that you LCD screen on your laptop backlight powers on at all. | Dec 19 04:01 |
| oiaohm | Next is can be Intel and AMD to blame for in fact don't providing the drivers to Linux to drive particular chipsets correctly for power effectivness. | Dec 19 04:02 |
| oiaohm | then you have third party chipset issues. | Dec 19 04:02 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Windows-Linux-Power-Dell-XPS also its not black and white either. | Dec 19 04:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A Look At The Windows 10 vs. Linux Power Consumption On A Dell XPS 13 Laptop - Phoronix | Dec 19 04:05 | |
| oiaohm | There are laptops where Linux beats windows 10 into the ground on power management. | Dec 19 04:05 |
| oiaohm | Of course its all the same kinds of crap why Windows 10 is losing to Linux in those case as well. | Dec 19 04:05 |
| MinceR | there's only so much secret tricks in blobs can do against Backdoors10 doing all the unnecessary stupid shit in the background :> | Dec 19 04:05 |
| MinceR | like the built-in keylogger | Dec 19 04:06 |
| oiaohm | Linux distributions can be doing a huge stack of crap like indexiting every file because it fells like it as well. | Dec 19 04:06 |
| MinceR | and all the phoning home | Dec 19 04:06 |
| oiaohm | ruining battery life. | Dec 19 04:06 |
| oiaohm | Windows monitoring stuff as horrible as it sounds is not as bad was what some distributions waste time doing. | Dec 19 04:06 |
| oiaohm | when you are talking about battery life harm. | Dec 19 04:07 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-Gfx-DoS-Fix-Hit-Power there is a horrible one at times you can extend you battery life of your laptop by not implementing particular security fixes. | Dec 19 04:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel's Graphics Driver DoS Fix Last Week Has Hurt Power Consumption - Phoronix | Dec 19 04:11 | |
| oiaohm | So reason why laptop battery life at times suxs with Windows or Linux are basically the same list of evil problems. | Dec 19 04:11 |
| oiaohm | 1) crap of some form running that you really don't need. | Dec 19 04:12 |
| oiaohm | 2) ACPI table screw up by vendor. | Dec 19 04:12 |
| MinceR | at least one can pick a distro that doesn't run quite as much crap | Dec 19 04:13 |
| oiaohm | 3) screw up by driver makers so driver does not power to hardware effectively. This can be vendor not providing this or got it wrong. | Dec 19 04:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh great. | Dec 19 04:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Can you turn this fix off? | Dec 19 04:13 |
| oiaohm | 4) security that one OS has implemented something more secure than the other resulting in one OS taking a high power usage hit. | Dec 19 04:13 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: really the Intel graphics GFX fix the blocks you graphical output from freezing solid at random? You want to remove that patch???? | Dec 19 04:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wonder if Panel Self Refresh is still broken. | Dec 19 04:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I haven't tried it in about 8-9 months. | Dec 19 04:15 |
| oiaohm | Please note that bug Intel implemented for Windows and Linux. | Dec 19 04:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 1-2 watts can mean 30-45 minutes less battery life. | Dec 19 04:16 |
| MinceR | intel is good at implementing bugs | Dec 19 04:16 |
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| oiaohm | So longer battery life with random lockups or shorter battery life with no lockups choose. | Dec 19 04:17 |
| MinceR | for example, there's that massive bug they call TianoCore | Dec 19 04:17 |
| MinceR | though maybe it came from microsuck and they just put their name on it, who knows | Dec 19 04:17 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: exactly the problem. A few of these minor problems could take ta 10 hour battery life laptop on one OS to like a 4 hour on another. | Dec 19 04:17 |
| MinceR | if you get a lockup, you can just reboot | Dec 19 04:17 |
| MinceR | sort of equivalent to Backdoors10 rebooting 63 times while you're trying to get work done because updates are more important than you | Dec 19 04:18 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: depends if it like the intel one where its not just reboot but remove the battery. | Dec 19 04:18 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: and you hope the battery is not inside the case. | Dec 19 04:18 |
| MinceR | should be easy, you just undo the latches and... wait a minute ;) | Dec 19 04:18 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: you know how laptops these days are going for glued in batteries. | Dec 19 04:18 |
| MinceR | yeah | Dec 19 04:19 |
| MinceR | laptops have truly gone to shit, even ThinkPads | Dec 19 04:19 |
| oiaohm | Faults like that graphic lock up was not that bad with the old school removable battery laptops. | Dec 19 04:19 |
| oiaohm | New ones real serous pains in ass. | Dec 19 04:19 |
| MinceR | and so have phones | Dec 19 04:20 |
| oiaohm | I am serousally looking at my next phone being a pinephone when its more ready. | Dec 19 04:20 |
| MinceR | i'm seriously looking at getting a pinephone as a pda and privacy-respecting backup phone when i get a credit card and they're selling | Dec 19 04:21 |
| oiaohm | pinephones being sold now are the developer version. | Dec 19 04:21 |
| MinceR | though for that second function, i haven't looked into how secure its baseband actually can be | Dec 19 04:22 |
| oiaohm | I am waiting for the production version. | Dec 19 04:22 |
| oiaohm | They do have a proper off switch for the baseband. | Dec 19 04:22 |
| oiaohm | and its not a in soc baseband. | Dec 19 04:22 |
| MinceR | sure, but what if i boot it up with a SIM and use it on a mobile network once? can they break into the phone and compromise it then? | Dec 19 04:23 |
| oiaohm | Not easily because there is no shared memory between the cpu running your OS and the baseband. | Dec 19 04:24 |
| oiaohm | I would not say impossible but a lot harder than a crap all in one stupid. | Dec 19 04:25 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: there is a interesting feature the pinephone does have boot straight from SD card. | Dec 19 04:26 |
| oiaohm | So it is possible to have a audit my device sd card. | Dec 19 04:27 |
| MinceR | my favorite feature | Dec 19 04:27 |
| MinceR | it allows for OS updates/replacements without the danger of bricking the phone | Dec 19 04:27 |
| r_schestowitz | Re: The Register on "Microsoft Linux" | Dec 19 04:32 |
| r_schestowitz | > We would be familiar with the typical Microsoft strategy. In this case, | Dec 19 04:32 |
| r_schestowitz | > "partner" with a Linux company, generate some mindshare goodwill, then | Dec 19 04:32 |
| r_schestowitz | > make sure the Linux subsystem isn't any use and will only run on Windows. | Dec 19 04:32 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Dec 19 04:32 |
| r_schestowitz | > https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/12/18/multipass/ | Dec 19 04:32 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Dec 19 04:32 |
| r_schestowitz | > What the fuck was Canonical thinking in 'partnering' with the borg? | Dec 19 04:32 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Dec 19 04:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Crossing the platforms: The Register checks in with Canonical's WSL alternative – Multipass • The Register | Dec 19 04:33 | |
| r_schestowitz | > https://ubuntu.com/blog/canonical-sponsors-wslconf-at-microsoft-hq | Dec 19 04:33 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Dec 19 04:33 |
| r_schestowitz | > This is what Lenin refereed to supporters of Soviet-ism in the west | Dec 19 04:33 |
| r_schestowitz | > "useful idiots" | Dec 19 04:33 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Dec 19 04:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Canonical sponsors WSLConf at Microsoft HQ | Ubuntu | Dec 19 04:33 | |
| r_schestowitz | > https://twitter.com/unixterminal | Dec 19 04:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mobile.twitter.com | Hayden Barnes (@unixterminal) on Twitter | Dec 19 04:33 | |
| r_schestowitz | > You should create a Reddit forum, I know you don't like them, but that's | Dec 19 04:34 |
| r_schestowitz | > were the audience is. | Dec 19 04:34 |
| r_schestowitz | You suggested this before, but it's like outsourcing... and to hostile territories. | Dec 19 04:34 |
| MinceR | what was canonical thinking, ever? | Dec 19 04:34 |
| r_schestowitz | I know | Dec 19 04:36 |
| r_schestowitz | I did not even reply to it | Dec 19 04:36 |
| r_schestowitz | but I might bring it up | Dec 19 04:36 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 19 04:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It says enabling panel self refresh is dangerous and gave me a kernel tainted thing. | Dec 19 05:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But it doesn't freeze now with it on. | Dec 19 05:21 |
| r_schestowitz | >> We need to unearth that old article about El Reg-Microsoft partnership | Dec 19 05:28 |
| r_schestowitz | > Probably found in the 2003 or 2004 series, but just as an announcement | Dec 19 05:28 |
| r_schestowitz | > not necessarily a main article. | Dec 19 05:28 |
| r_schestowitz | These things are hard to find. | Dec 19 05:28 |
| r_schestowitz | I also noticed it's hard to find announcements of Bill Gates bribes for particular publishes because once paid they're googlebombing the relevant search phrases with puff pieces (paid for). | Dec 19 05:28 |
| oiaohm | r_schestowitz: Its not quite as straight forwards. WSL1 was the Microsoft being the borg. Then having enough stuff not work that they had to go WSL2 with real Linux kernel. | Dec 19 05:32 |
| oiaohm | r_schestowitz: Now Microsoft in their desktop product is has to care about Linux security as well as Windows security. | Dec 19 05:33 |
| oiaohm | r_schestowitz: Canonical and Microsoft I am not sure what one is the Borg. Its basically Species 8472 vs Borg. | Dec 19 05:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It doesn't seem like the Borg want to assimilate humans that much. | Dec 19 05:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They've assimilated species that are about 400 years ahead of the Federation in technology. | Dec 19 05:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Federation's most important advantage was that the Borg had assimilated Picard and he knows how they think and what some of their weaknesses are. | Dec 19 05:41 |
| oiaohm | I remember dr who where the cybermen and the dalek in one series were stuck because they were waiting for a absolute advantage one way or the other. | Dec 19 05:54 |
| oiaohm | Remember just because races are 400 years+ ahead of us might mean they are safer to take on as well. Why they might have grown out of the stupidity of possibly blowing up own planet in so called self defense. | Dec 19 05:56 |
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| MinceR | 19 063310 < oiaohm> r_schestowitz: Now Microsoft in their desktop product is has to care about Linux security as well as Windows security. | Dec 19 14:16 |
| MinceR | microsloth never cared about security | Dec 19 14:16 |
| MinceR | of any sort | Dec 19 14:16 |
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| r_schestowitz | MinceR: yeah | Dec 19 14:27 |
| r_schestowitz | I just ignored that nonsense | Dec 19 14:27 |
| r_schestowitz | linuxgirl was pissed off by him | Dec 19 14:29 |
| r_schestowitz | expression positions we'd never hold | Dec 19 14:29 |
| r_schestowitz | he speaks for himself | Dec 19 14:29 |
| r_schestowitz | Microsoft and proxies like black duck constantly tell us linux and foss are not secure | Dec 19 14:29 |
| r_schestowitz | and are risk | Dec 19 14:29 |
| r_schestowitz | Microsoft doesn't care even about its own security | Dec 19 14:30 |
| r_schestowitz | just about nsa back doors, which signal to Trump they play ball and want to be rewarded with gov contracts | Dec 19 14:30 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: Microsoft cares about security that the tick we did the CVE box so companies buying their products are happy. | Dec 19 14:32 |
| r_schestowitz | or govs | Dec 19 14:32 |
| r_schestowitz | which love back doors | Dec 19 14:32 |
| r_schestowitz | many cves are not published or issued | Dec 19 14:32 |
| r_schestowitz | they sit on these | Dec 19 14:32 |
| r_schestowitz | for back door access | Dec 19 14:33 |
| r_schestowitz | and docs from snowden already proved t his | Dec 19 14:33 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: microsoft does not care about security to the level we like. | Dec 19 14:33 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Does Windows actually have Linux in it? | Dec 19 14:33 |
| oiaohm | But its not that they don't care at all. | Dec 19 14:33 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: wsl2 for windows 10 is in fact a Linux kernel in there. | Dec 19 14:33 |
| XRevan86 | I figured that WSL provides a shim that allows a Linux kernel to be ran | Dec 19 14:33 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: So they patch it and bundle it? | Dec 19 14:34 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: https://github.com/microsoft/WSL2-Linux-Kernel yep. | Dec 19 14:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - microsoft/WSL2-Linux-Kernel: The source for the Linux kernel used in Windows Subsystem for Linux 2 (WSL2) | Dec 19 14:35 | |
| XRevan86 | But why… | Dec 19 14:35 |
| XRevan86 | I thought it's Hyper-V | Dec 19 14:35 |
| XRevan86 | and Linux supports that, I think | Dec 19 14:35 |
| XRevan86 | some integration crap? | Dec 19 14:36 |
| r_schestowitz | what oiaohm says is absurd | Dec 19 14:36 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Also, I can't help but notice that the version in this repo is out of date. | Dec 19 14:36 |
| r_schestowitz | so I'm leaving this discussion, without prejudice | Dec 19 14:37 |
| XRevan86 | 6 point releases behind | Dec 19 14:38 |
| r_schestowitz | (like having a debate with person who says smoking ok coz grandpa smoked and didn't die young or a theist who says he saw Jesus in his own eyes) | Dec 19 14:39 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: 6 point releases behind means it current by CVE. That is really a foolish thing to go by for security. By hey that Microsoft standard. | Dec 19 14:42 |
| oiaohm | And they really did not have a choice I cannot find the presentation where they list the WSL1 issues that to fix as a shim was basically going to break the NT kernel. | Dec 19 14:43 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: companies buying microshit products are clueless and don't care about security | Dec 19 14:43 |
| MinceR | there is a lot of posturing, though | Dec 19 14:43 |
| MinceR | they pay lip service to security and use it as an excuse for anticompetitive trickery like Restricted Boot | Dec 19 14:44 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/shipping-a-linux-kernel-with-windows/ "The WSL kernel will be built using Microsoft’s world-class CI/CD systems and serviced through Windows Update in an operation transparent to the user." This in fact true. | Dec 19 14:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-devblogs.microsoft.com | Shipping a Linux Kernel with Windows | Windows Command Line | Dec 19 14:47 | |
| oiaohm | One problem is the next bit in there. | Dec 19 14:47 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 19 14:48 |
| oiaohm | This bit >> We continually monitor Linux security mailing lists and partner with several CVE database companies to help ensure that our kernel has the most recent fixes and mitigations. | Dec 19 14:48 |
| MinceR | i know their "world-class" systems too well to fall for this bullshit | Dec 19 14:48 |
| oiaohm | https://kernel-recipes.org/en/2019/talks/cves-are-dead-long-live-the-cve/ << you watch this bit you see problem. | Dec 19 14:48 |
| XRevan86 | It just means that they automated deployment | Dec 19 14:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kernel-recipes.org | CVEs are dead, long live the CVE! | Kernel Recipes 2019 | Dec 19 14:49 | |
| oiaohm | You can have a world class system for doing CI/CD but if one of your inputs is in fact garbage the output will be garbage. | Dec 19 14:49 |
| MinceR | using tools that don't work | Dec 19 14:49 |
| MinceR | and they'll tear WSL2 out from under you while you're trying to use it because "updates" | Dec 19 14:49 |
| oiaohm | CVE is garbage. | Dec 19 14:49 |
| MinceR | probably along with rebooting | Dec 19 14:49 |
| XRevan86 | Why can't they just pick every point release? | Dec 19 14:49 |
| MinceR | maybe that wouldn't cause enough rebooting | Dec 19 14:50 |
| oiaohm | Exactly that what the talk I just pointed to says you should do and totally ignore CVE. | Dec 19 14:50 |
| XRevan86 | Not totally | Dec 19 14:50 |
| oiaohm | Because CVE will either make you apply patches that don't do anything. | Dec 19 14:50 |
| XRevan86 | but uh, it's not a reliable mechanism | Dec 19 14:50 |
| oiaohm | Or not apply all the security patches. | Dec 19 14:50 |
| XRevan86 | to offload one's responsibility to | Dec 19 14:51 |
| MinceR | CVEs might make government drones happy, though | Dec 19 14:51 |
| oiaohm | Exactly offload one responsiblty to CVE means make one defective product. | Dec 19 14:51 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and stupid parties managing Microsoft quality control system. | Dec 19 14:52 |
| MinceR | it would be quite a surprise if microsuck ever made a product that wasn't defective | Dec 19 14:52 |
| MinceR | "microsoft quality control" is a contradiction in terms | Dec 19 14:52 |
| MinceR | like they say, if microsoft made a vacuum cleaner, that would be the only microsoft product that didn't suck | Dec 19 14:52 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: First you say that Microsoft will care about Linux security now, then you say that all they're after is collecting ticks | Dec 19 14:52 |
| oiaohm | Caring about security to point all CVE are patched Microsoft is not the only one gulity of this. Redhat and ubuntu and SUSE are as well. | Dec 19 14:53 |
| oiaohm | Same with many other parties. | Dec 19 14:53 |
| MinceR | duh | Dec 19 14:54 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft handling of security resulting in insecure products turns out not to be Mcirosoft Unique. | Dec 19 14:54 |
| MinceR | if they cared about security, they wouldn't be sitting on the systemd bandwagon | Dec 19 14:54 |
| oiaohm | Heck android phone vendors are even worse. | Dec 19 14:54 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: By that logic their blowing machines will | Dec 19 14:55 |
| MinceR | not just android | Dec 19 14:55 |
| MinceR | mobile and IoT in general uses a broken update method | Dec 19 14:55 |
| MinceR | if any | Dec 19 14:55 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: One thing is supporting an officially unsupported kernel, another is just ignoring updates because they don't have CVEs | Dec 19 14:56 |
| XRevan86 | There are no point releases here | Dec 19 14:57 |
| XRevan86 | I mean, for the WSL "kernel". | Dec 19 14:57 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: redhat developers have been caught putting CVE on stuff that are not security faults to get feature backported to older RHEL release. | Dec 19 14:57 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 19 14:58 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: That's the most corporate thing I've ever heard of | Dec 19 14:58 |
| XRevan86 | "well, we have a policy…" | Dec 19 14:58 |
| XRevan86 | so we game it | Dec 19 14:58 |
| oiaohm | So ignoring updates because they don't have CVE is not just a micorosft problem. | Dec 19 14:58 |
| oiaohm | Redhat takes it to a totally new level. | Dec 19 14:58 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: But again, rolling releases have simpler rules | Dec 19 14:59 |
| oiaohm | Basically general commercial software development security model is broken due to goverments putting in contracts all CVE bugs must be patched instead of proper software quality validation processes. | Dec 19 15:00 |
| oiaohm | So I am not sure that Microsoft does not care about security now. Its more looks like a industry wide screw up. | Dec 19 15:01 |
| oiaohm | Someone came up with a method todo security that does not work and then forced it on everyone. | Dec 19 15:02 |
| MinceR | it's an industry wide screwup that microshit had a big role in | Dec 19 15:03 |
| MinceR | same with the industry-wide expectation that software rarely works if ever and is full of bugs that will never get fixed | Dec 19 15:04 |
| MinceR | and that if you're having a problem with a computer, you just reboot it or reinstall it until the problem goes away | Dec 19 15:04 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/lZhLXXb.mp4 ( https://imgur.com/gallery/TXuPlKC ) | Dec 19 15:06 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: sorry to horrible no Microsoft did not exactly have a big role the CVE created mess. Microsoft was pulled kicking and screaming into supporting CVE by security researches listing bugs in CVE then getting governments to put the CVE must be patched requirement in contracts. | Dec 19 15:11 |
| MinceR | i didn't say "CVE" anywhere in that sentence | Dec 19 15:11 |
| oiaohm | Even this screw up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Criteria Microsoft did not have a big hand in either. | Dec 19 15:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Common Criteria - Wikipedia | Dec 19 15:13 | |
| MinceR | they did have a big hand in forcing a web browser full of holes on users | Dec 19 15:14 |
| MinceR | they did have a big hand in winblows 95 phoning home without asking the user about it | Dec 19 15:14 |
| MinceR | they did have a big hand in killing off many competitors who paid some attention to their products and as such had far more secure products | Dec 19 15:15 |
| oiaohm | This is not sounding any different to car makers before proper government regulations. | Dec 19 15:15 |
| MinceR | they did have a big hand in forcing an OS that is full of holes and backdoors to be installed on practically all PCs sold | Dec 19 15:15 |
| MinceR | government regulations are worthless and ineffective at best | Dec 19 15:16 |
| MinceR | government regulations got us a boxed version of winblows without idiot exploiter and another without media player, both priced the same as the version that had both | Dec 19 15:16 |
| MinceR | as "punishment" and "solution" to their monopoly tactics | Dec 19 15:16 |
| MinceR | government regulations got us a browser choosing window in winblows that disappeared after a few months | Dec 19 15:17 |
| oiaohm | I would agree the government regulation we have got so far has been fairly useless. | Dec 19 15:17 |
| MinceR | if it was useful, they'd cancel it | Dec 19 15:17 |
| oiaohm | Like if CVE and common criteria were in fact done right we would not seen browsers full of holes. We would not have open source projects still running with any form of quality control either. | Dec 19 15:19 |
| oiaohm | any including none. | Dec 19 15:19 |
| XRevan86 | https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/87268 | Dec 19 15:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Santa Hat on vscode insiders and pushing of religion is very offensive to me · Issue #87268 · microsoft/vscode · GitHub | Dec 19 15:21 | |
| XRevan86 | This warrants commentary from scientes %) | Dec 19 15:21 |
| XRevan86 | Looks like an attempt at trolling, and a successful one | Dec 19 15:24 |
| oiaohm | https://www.pharmaceutical-journal.com/news-and-analysis/features/arsenic-and-the-bradford-poisonings-of-1858/20003896.article << Lot of ways the current computer software industry remind me of the Pharmaceutical industry before the 1858 when the regulations were total crap. | Dec 19 15:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pharmaceutical-journal.com | Arsenic and the Bradford poisonings of 1858 | Feature | Pharmaceutical Journal | Dec 19 15:25 | |
| MinceR | microsloth deserves all the SJW attacks they get | Dec 19 15:26 |
| XRevan86 | This is a religious one | Dec 19 15:26 |
| XRevan86 | from a holy warrior | Dec 19 15:27 |
| oiaohm | That one is mega stupid. | Dec 19 15:28 |
| MinceR | which religion does a santa hat symbolize? | Dec 19 15:28 |
| oiaohm | The reality it does not santa if a made up thing. | Dec 19 15:28 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Hrestianity | Dec 19 15:28 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: nop. | Dec 19 15:29 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 19 15:29 |
| MinceR | how? | Dec 19 15:29 |
| XRevan86 | cocacolaism? | Dec 19 15:29 |
| MinceR | lol no | Dec 19 15:30 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: I am aware that Christianity doesn't care about fairy tale figures | Dec 19 15:30 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: But the fairy tale figure is based on Christianity still | Dec 19 15:30 |
| XRevan86 | even if loosely | Dec 19 15:31 |
| XRevan86 | and it's not uncommon to appropriate it without the Christianity baggage | Dec 19 15:31 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: it is a intentional for profit mess up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Nicholas | Dec 19 15:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Saint Nicholas - Wikipedia | Dec 19 15:32 | |
| MinceR | that's not appropriation | Dec 19 15:32 |
| MinceR | the appropriation was what the christians did | Dec 19 15:32 |
| MinceR | did saint nicholas ever wear a santa hat? | Dec 19 15:32 |
| XRevan86 | Slavic pagan Died Moroz has been adapted with Santa Claus symbolism in USSR no problem | Dec 19 15:32 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: to the point saint Nicholas name is stolen as an excuse name for santa. | Dec 19 15:33 |
| XRevan86 | > A solemn bronze statue of the saint by Russian sculptor Gregory Pototsky was donated by the Russian government in 2000, and was given a prominent place in the square fronting the medieval Church of St. Nicholas. In 2005, mayor Süleyman Topçu had the statue replaced by a red-suited plastic Santa Claus statue, because he wanted an image more recognisable to foreign visitors. Protests from the Russia | Dec 19 15:35 |
| XRevan86 | n government against this were successful, and the bronze statue was returned (albeit without its original high pedestal) to a corner nearer the church. | Dec 19 15:35 |
| oiaohm | Key difference between proper Saint Nicholas and Santa is that the proper Saint Nicholas you are to give gifts any time of the year and the stocking at the fire place was for you own birth day. | Dec 19 15:35 |
| oiaohm | Exactly total mess up of poor Saint Nicholas by the fake. | Dec 19 15:36 |
| oiaohm | Think about it Christmas in it current form is a way to get you to buy your child 2+ gifts a year instead of 1. | Dec 19 15:37 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: That's how the story originated | Dec 19 15:37 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: And in Russia it's New Year | Dec 19 15:38 |
| MinceR | in several languages, "christmas" has a name that doesn't even refer to any abrahamic religion | Dec 19 15:38 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Maybe it delivers if it was adopted and securalised | Dec 19 15:39 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: The Rebirth? | Dec 19 15:39 |
| oiaohm | https://www.unilad.co.uk/news/were-all-celebrating-christmas-on-the-wrong-day/ As soon as you start digging into this stuff the bigger mess this holiday stuff is. | Dec 19 15:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unilad.co.uk | We're All Celebrating Christmas On The Wrong Day | Dec 19 15:41 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: The whole deal is Christian. If it doesn't refer, maybe it's a different festivity. | Dec 19 15:41 |
| oiaohm | Like lot of the Christian holidays were internationally created to conflict with pagen ones. | Dec 19 15:41 |
| oiaohm | This in fact includes christmas. | Dec 19 15:42 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: True, but that still means it's a different holiday. | Dec 19 15:42 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: lol | Dec 19 15:42 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: solstice, yule, karachun | Dec 19 15:42 |
| oiaohm | Its why you see chrismas in many languages that don't refer to any abrabhamic religion is basically progressive corruption's | Dec 19 15:43 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: There are also calendaric differences that detach Christmas from, say, solstice, and even from other Christmasses | Dec 19 15:44 |
| MinceR | those are mistakes in determining when solstice is | Dec 19 15:45 |
| MinceR | and failure to keep track of calendar reforms | Dec 19 15:45 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: in fact no history of christmas has it moved around. | Dec 19 15:45 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: It's debatable which one is the moved one, but what about Christmas at January 7th? | Dec 19 15:45 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: so areas with pagen doing lot of solstice events the christmas in that area was done. solstice. With calander errors that moved all over the calander. | Dec 19 15:46 |
| oiaohm | was done on solstice. | Dec 19 15:46 |
| XRevan86 | So many things got changed and reshaped, that I don't really see the point in putting an equality sign between modern Western tradition of Christmas and history of Christmas | Dec 19 15:47 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: Historic calanders solstice appears anywhere from November 10 to Feb 10 before we corrected the number of months and days to be correct. | Dec 19 15:47 |
| XRevan86 | Santa Claus is more a product of refined commercial appeal than any historical event. | Dec 19 15:48 |
| oiaohm | That solstice mess and the bad calanders lead to the mega mess of people arguing over what date could be chritmas | Dec 19 15:48 |
| XRevan86 | and they never ask themselves whether christmas should even be | Dec 19 15:49 |
| oiaohm | Heck the date of birth was never correctly recorded in the first place. | Dec 19 15:49 |
| MinceR | the date question is easily solved though | Dec 19 15:50 |
| MinceR | start the yule season right after halloween ends and have it last until the 1st of january | Dec 19 15:50 |
| MinceR | or beyond | Dec 19 15:50 |
| XRevan86 | > the date question is easily solved though | Dec 19 15:51 |
| XRevan86 | $ seq 1 365 | shuf | head -n1 | Dec 19 15:51 |
| XRevan86 | 272 | Dec 19 15:51 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 19 15:51 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: yule as exact time frame. Starts on solstice ie this year dec 22 and runs for 12 days so Jan 2 it ends. And that is a throw back to a 12 day week historic calander. | Dec 19 15:55 |
| XRevan86 | Back to the original point: I think it's useless and futile to get worked up over such things. | Dec 19 15:55 |
| oiaohm | Yes Christmastide what the christian churches first over lap with yuel. Who would love chrismas to run 12 days again? | Dec 19 15:57 |
| XRevan86 | Let's discuss how X-mas is actually Khi-mas :) | Dec 19 15:57 |
| XRevan86 | and not Eks-mas | Dec 19 15:58 |
| oiaohm | The romans did not like there slaves and workers taking 12 days off. | Dec 19 15:58 |
| oiaohm | Leading to the single day thing. | Dec 19 15:58 |
| XRevan86 | and with modern (/k/) pronunciation that turns into kiss-mas | Dec 19 16:00 |
| oiaohm | yule use to be part the english pagan calendar | Dec 19 16:00 |
| XRevan86 | well, not really, but close | Dec 19 16:01 |
| oiaohm | Of course that calendar was one of the ones that had the right number of days in it. | Dec 19 16:01 |
| oiaohm | But we had to replace it with the roman one right. | Dec 19 16:01 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: How many days did the Roman have? | Dec 19 16:01 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: 355 so out by 10 days per year. | Dec 19 16:03 |
| oiaohm | And that was the corrected one from the luna mess. | Dec 19 16:03 |
| XRevan86 | "how could you miss?" | Dec 19 16:04 |
| oiaohm | Lets just say historic Roman calender's where well up there in useless. | Dec 19 16:04 |
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| oiaohm | The was a 304 day roman calendar that stayed kind of right. Yes the ~61 days of winter was not given a month or days... Basically 61 days off a year. | Dec 19 16:07 |
| oiaohm | Kind of important to stock up for winter with that calander. | Dec 19 16:07 |
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| oiaohm | XRevan86: the historic calender's based around Solstice and Equinox all got the number of days in year right. All the historic calenders like the roman ones based of moon and other things got number of days in year horrible wrong. | Dec 19 16:10 |
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| oiaohm | XRevan86: https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/julian-calendar.html now if you are look at the time of christ death. https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/julian-calendar.html roman calander is less of a mess | Dec 19 16:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.timeanddate.com | The Julian Calendar | Dec 19 16:20 | |
| oiaohm | But still a mess that it had to be reset in 1582. | Dec 19 16:20 |
| oiaohm | Welcome to holdiay confusion caused by calander confusion. | Dec 19 16:21 |
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| MinceR | 19 165756 < XRevan86> Let's discuss how X-mas is actually Khi-mas :) | Dec 19 16:33 |
| MinceR | it's a latin letter, not a greek one :> | Dec 19 16:33 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: No, it's a Greek letter | Dec 19 16:34 |
| MinceR | you're thinking of Χ-mas, not X-mas | Dec 19 16:34 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Next thing you'll tell me I *have to* spell TeX as TeΧ | Dec 19 16:35 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 19 16:35 |
| XRevan86 | lateks? | Dec 19 16:35 |
| MinceR | latex | Dec 19 16:35 |
| MinceR | (not lateχ) | Dec 19 16:35 |
| XRevan86 | > LaTeX, which is pronounced «Lah-tech» or «Lay-tech» (to rhyme with «blech» or «Bertolt Brecht») | Dec 19 16:36 |
| XRevan86 | so by all means it's spelt with an X just for Latin-1 convinience | Dec 19 16:37 |
| MinceR | so where's the faq on xmas? | Dec 19 16:38 |
| XRevan86 | The idea is banal: Христос, so X | Dec 19 16:38 |
| MinceR | or it's a cross | Dec 19 16:38 |
| XRevan86 | T works better as a cross | Dec 19 16:39 |
| XRevan86 | Christian cross that is | Dec 19 16:39 |
| XRevan86 | X is a literal cross after all :) | Dec 19 16:39 |
| MinceR | of course, this is yet another issue that calling it something non-abrahamic solves easily | Dec 19 16:39 |
| XRevan86 | Clausmas | Dec 19 16:40 |
| MinceR | grav-mass | Dec 19 16:40 |
| MinceR | scary solstice | Dec 19 16:40 |
| *XRevan86 reads https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_(liturgy) | Dec 19 16:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Mass (liturgy) - Wikipedia | Dec 19 16:40 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: grav-mass isn't really catchy alas | Dec 19 16:40 |
| MinceR | yule | Dec 19 16:41 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Offensive to the South Hemisphere %) | Dec 19 16:41 |
| MinceR | how so? | Dec 19 16:42 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Winter solstice | Dec 19 16:42 |
| MinceR | the whole thing is from the northern hemisphere :> | Dec 19 16:43 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: But winter solstice occurs half a year in the Southern Hemisphere after it had in the Northern | Dec 19 16:43 |
| XRevan86 | so it stops making sense | Dec 19 16:44 |
| MinceR | if so, then celebrating it on dec 25 or jan 7 also doesn't make sense | Dec 19 16:44 |
| XRevan86 | unless dates are moved around (and then it stops superseding Christmas) | Dec 19 16:44 |
| MinceR | the dates were already moved around | Dec 19 16:44 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Christmas is pretty arbitrary | Dec 19 16:45 |
| XRevan86 | so it works for it | Dec 19 16:45 |
| MinceR | and when the christianofascists are trying to use the renaming of something they stole from the romans as a tool to force their bullshit on people, how arbitrary is that? | Dec 19 16:46 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: https://youtu.be/G2ZpQlgc4Bo?t=630 | Dec 19 16:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Торжество Православия. Часть 2 (анафема). Святогорская Лавра. 5.03.17г. - YouTube | Dec 19 16:50 | |
| MinceR | ew | Dec 19 16:51 |
| XRevan86 | This excommunication signing is so corny it gets to me | Dec 19 16:51 |
| XRevan86 | Anaaaaaaaatheeeeeeeeema | Dec 19 16:51 |
| MinceR | it took some extra mental effort to not close it before they got to the end of the 3rd aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaattttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttthhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeemmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | Dec 19 16:52 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19092537 | Dec 19 16:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Dec 19 16:53 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I thought you'd like the guy who looks like he's getting a high from this | Dec 19 16:53 |
| XRevan86 | "looks" | Dec 19 16:53 |
| MinceR | i hate him | Dec 19 16:54 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: An unexpectedly strong emotion | Dec 19 17:04 |
| MinceR | is me hating cultists new to you? :> | Dec 19 17:04 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: This got across as something more personal :) | Dec 19 17:04 |
| MinceR | "nothing personnel... kid" | Dec 19 17:04 |
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| rianne__ | https://techcrunch.com/2019/12/19/facebook-operating-system/ | Dec 19 17:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Facebook is building an operating system so it can ditch Android – TechCrunch | Dec 19 17:26 | |
| MinceR | they could just buy one from their pals at microsloth | Dec 19 17:27 |
| MinceR | ah, they did start with some retard who was responsible for parts of the worst OS design in the universe | Dec 19 17:28 |
| MinceR | i guess cutler was unavailable | Dec 19 17:28 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Lucovsky he goes back before Windows NT hes a old VMS developer. | Dec 19 18:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Mark Lucovsky - Wikipedia | Dec 19 18:04 | |
| psydroid | third time is a charm | Dec 19 18:07 |
| oiaohm | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenVMS VMS holds a very horrible record one of the longest existing bugs discoverd only 33 year after its introduction. | Dec 19 18:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | OpenVMS - Wikipedia | Dec 19 18:07 | |
| oiaohm | psydroid: I bet he crossing fingers that is the case. | Dec 19 18:10 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: same shit, different day | Dec 19 18:21 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: they are different design operating systems. With new ways to stuff up. | Dec 19 18:25 |
| MinceR | not different enough | Dec 19 18:26 |
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| XRevan86 | https://joindiaspora.com/p/16800196 "no need to #deleteGitHub as they do it the right way" | Dec 19 19:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | #Firebird driver for #PHP 7.4 ready for download https://mapopa.blo... | Dec 19 19:09 | |
| *XRevan86 can't find a git repo not on GitHub. | Dec 19 19:09 | |
| XRevan86 | i.e. not https://github.com/FirebirdSQL/php-firebird | Dec 19 19:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - FirebirdSQL/php-firebird: Firebird PHP driver | Dec 19 19:10 | |
| r_schestowitz | hmmmm :/ | Dec 19 19:12 |
| *XRevan86 also thought that it's part of the PHP distribution. | Dec 19 19:13 | |
| XRevan86 | https://php.net/manual/en/ibase.installation.php and it is? | Dec 19 19:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.php.net | PHP: Installation - Manual | Dec 19 19:14 | |
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| XRevan86 | https://git.php.net/?p=pecl/database/interbase.git;a=tree this does look like the same code. | Dec 19 19:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.php.net | 208.43.231.11 Git - pecl/database/interbase.git/tree | Dec 19 19:17 | |
| XRevan86 | The only difference being some README additions in the Firebird's copy. | Dec 19 19:18 |
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| XRevan86 | Was it done just for user friendliness when Firebird isn't compiled-in in PHP? | Dec 19 19:18 |
| XRevan86 | or rather, built with PHP | Dec 19 19:19 |
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| r_schestowitz | they don't appear to promote github with a link | Dec 19 19:35 |
| r_schestowitz | maybe it's not even their core/main devs who put the code there | Dec 19 19:35 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Sure they do | Dec 19 19:36 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: "see the Development page for this driver" | Dec 19 19:36 |
| r_schestowitz | in their site? | Dec 19 19:36 |
| r_schestowitz | I did check | Dec 19 19:36 |
| r_schestowitz | they offer tarballs | Dec 19 19:36 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Above the tarballs there's a link for developers | Dec 19 19:37 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Now I've read other news and it seems it's going to be removed from the PHP sources. | Dec 19 19:38 |
| XRevan86 | and moved to PECL, and so development will be going elsewhere, with that elsewhere being Firebase's GitHub page | Dec 19 19:40 |
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| r_schestowitz | XRevan86: :/ | Dec 19 20:34 |
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| MinceR | (audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/12/14/3e52a35755708a4f.mp4 | Dec 19 21:18 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | > ah, they did start with some retard who was responsible for parts of the worst OS design in the universe | Dec 19 21:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Strangely, Android isn't even third on the list for worst OS design of all time in a commonly used operating system. #1 on the list goes to Windows 10 and #2 goes to any version of mac and iOS. | Dec 19 21:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It is rather depressing. | Dec 19 21:31 |
| MinceR | VMS and systemd both rank above Android there :> | Dec 19 21:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Pretty much the biggest advantage Windows has is that Intel won't tell anyone else how to do power management right. | Dec 19 21:32 |
| MinceR | microshit deciding what can be booted on a UEFI appliance is a bigger advantage :> | Dec 19 21:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | systemd has grown to the point where it has taken over many things that the kernel was doing and is doing them worse from userspace. | Dec 19 21:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm sure we haven't seen the worst of it yet. | Dec 19 21:33 |
| MinceR | indeed | Dec 19 21:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Linus Torvalds is to blame for a lot of that. | Dec 19 21:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He could reject the patches that enable some of it. | Dec 19 21:34 |
| MinceR | if they didn't keep him on a leash, that is | Dec 19 21:35 |
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| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/642610.jpg | Dec 19 22:56 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: | Dec 19 23:22 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: what things worse. There were a lot of things in kernel space that were done horriblely. | Dec 19 23:22 |
| oiaohm | Remember cgroupv1 was how to lock kernel up by using it. | Dec 19 23:23 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: its not just intel not telling on power mangement. You have apple in their devices disconnecting the intel power management and using the t2 chip and vendors wiring the intel stuff on power managment up sometimes horrible wrong. | Dec 19 23:32 |
| oiaohm | Like having the motherboard temp read like 120 C when the board is 0 C and OC when the board is 100C. Of course normal software at this point is totally screwed. | Dec 19 23:33 |
| oiaohm | Yes there are some x86 motherboard where the thermal temp is really what I just wrote. | Dec 19 23:33 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: Linus has rejected a lot of patches about systemd to the Linux kernel. But there is a problem here some of the stuff they were fixing was in fact broken to the point that any idiot thing using it slightly wrong would absolutely sure lock the kernel up./ | Dec 19 23:36 |
| oiaohm | cgroup v1 was fun you could give a process max CPU rights with zero IO rights resulting in a cpu core spinning on that process waiting for IO access. | Dec 19 23:37 |
| oiaohm | Remember cgroup v1 predates the systemd by a lot. | Dec 19 23:38 |
| XRevan86 | "the systemd" – I get that the sentence was probably restructured, but still :) | Dec 19 23:39 |
| cubexyz | I think android is non-systemd yes? | Dec 19 23:39 |
| cubexyz | so there's that | Dec 19 23:39 |
| oiaohm | android is non systemd but is using cgroups more and more. | Dec 19 23:40 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Android reinvents everything from top to bottom | Dec 19 23:40 |
| XRevan86 | own libc, own init | Dec 19 23:40 |
| cubexyz | and for musl libc there is also http://getkiss.org | Dec 19 23:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-getkiss.org | KISS - KISS | Dec 19 23:41 | |
| cubexyz | haven't tried it yet | Dec 19 23:41 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: https://www.slideshare.net/vishnu_tvrprasad/cgroups-in-android might be their own init. But its using cgroups and other Linux kernel features. | Dec 19 23:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.slideshare.net | Cgroups in android | Dec 19 23:42 | |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: It's not fair to see that as an advantage, as if I had systemd on my Android device, I'd have more control over the boot process than I have with this | Dec 19 23:42 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, what are you using? Void Linux? | Dec 19 23:43 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: On an Android device? Android. | Dec 19 23:43 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: kiss is depending on the busybox init system that had not been updated for pidfd or cgroups yet. | Dec 19 23:43 |
| oiaohm | I hope that is a yet. | Dec 19 23:43 |
| cubexyz | I'd divide android into smartphone/non-smartphone | Dec 19 23:44 |
| XRevan86 | > Uses a package manager written in 500~ lines of POSIX sh | Dec 19 23:44 |
| XRevan86 | That doesn't sound like a feature. | Dec 19 23:44 |
| cubexyz | it's a bit vague to say android device by itself | Dec 19 23:44 |
| cubexyz | but I bet people aren't replacing their OS on android devices | Dec 19 23:45 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Even if I were to install Android on some PC, I still wouldn't call it an Android device :) | Dec 19 23:45 |
| XRevan86 | I put a certain meaning of having no choice into this pair of words | Dec 19 23:45 |
| MinceR | what if someone sold a PC with Android x86 preinstalled? :> | Dec 19 23:47 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Unless they locked it in, still no %) | Dec 19 23:48 |
| cubexyz | hmmm, I wonder if anyone actually does that | Dec 19 23:48 |
| XRevan86 | Either intentionally or like AC100 | Dec 19 23:48 |
| XRevan86 | > Explicitly excludes the following <…> gettext, intltool | Dec 19 23:49 |
| cubexyz | people assume android -> smartphone, which is not always the case | Dec 19 23:49 |
| cubexyz | could be tv streamer, could be tablet | Dec 19 23:49 |
| XRevan86 | musl has no locales, so whom did they include that for? | Dec 19 23:49 |
| XRevan86 | into the list that is, it's kind of a "duh" | Dec 19 23:50 |
| cubexyz | how what does the software seller support? That is a different story | Dec 19 23:50 |
| cubexyz | s/how/now/ | Dec 19 23:50 |
| XRevan86 | Also intltool is deprecated | Dec 19 23:50 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: A tablet is usually an overgrown smartphone though. | Dec 19 23:51 |
| oiaohm | I remember the first telstra android phone here. | Dec 19 23:51 |
| oiaohm | Android on true rom that was. | Dec 19 23:51 |
| oiaohm | No upgrade ever. | Dec 19 23:51 |
| cubexyz | tv streamer outputs to HDMI big screen TV, kind of the opposite of smartphone :) | Dec 19 23:51 |
| XRevan86 | > All packages are compiled from source by the package manager which automatically handles dependencies, patches, etc. | Dec 19 23:51 |
| oiaohm | Ouch. | Dec 19 23:52 |
| XRevan86 | Is this distribution actually trying to discourage people from KISS? %) | Dec 19 23:52 |
| XRevan86 | "worse is better" taken literally in so many ways | Dec 19 23:53 |
| cubexyz | and consider how many tablets, smartphones, streamers actually get repaired | Dec 19 23:54 |
| cubexyz | I bet almost zero | Dec 19 23:54 |
| XRevan86 | At least they have GitHub, amirite? | Dec 19 23:54 |
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| XRevan86 | https://getkiss.org/pages/projects the guy behind the project takes shell scripting very seriously %) | Dec 19 23:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-getkiss.org | KISS - Software | Dec 19 23:55 | |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: Lot of the review streamers do get them repaired because they need to keep them for running compares. | Dec 19 23:56 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: vendors only provide streamers with 1 for free. They break a screen or something its up to them to get it fixed normally by a third party. | Dec 19 23:56 |
| oiaohm | It also explains why you hear the review streamers highly pissed off when items have low repair ratings by ifix it. | Dec 19 23:57 |
| cubexyz | who sells parts? | Dec 19 23:59 |
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