●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Thursday, May 20, 2021 ●● ● May 20 [00:00] schestowitz__ a lot of development is coordinated and communities built in this network, so we need to protect it. [00:01] baronhk[m]1 schestowitz__: Now Hyundai is advertising that they have a "sonic baby detector" in their cars to alert you if you're about to leave a child in the car. WTF. [00:02] techrights-bot #SoftwarePatents = #FakePatents and #PTAB will likely throw this one out: "patent generally relates to a database that is able to search, sort, and display" https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2021/5/19/2000-for-relevant-holdings-prior-art #swpats [00:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unifiedpatents.com | $2,000 for Relevant Holdings prior art Unified Patents [00:02] baronhk[m]1 Who has a child with them and "forgets" and leaves the child in the car? [00:02] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:03] techrights-bot #Dolby is already blackmailing #gnu #linux distro developers using #swpats so it's good to see its #fakepatents coming under challenge https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2021/5/19/dolby-patent-challenged-in-china see http://techrights.org/2020/11/19/patent-trolling-dolby/ [00:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unifiedpatents.com | Dolby patent challenged in China Unified Patents [00:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Dolby Patents Are Being Used in Patent-Trolling Activity Against GNU/Linux, But Dolby is Said to Be a GPL Violator | Techrights [00:03] schestowitz__ baronhk[m]1: one in a million or more [00:03] schestowitz__ let's put a billion spying devices in cars to save one baby [00:04] schestowitz__ the whole "put microphones connected to GAFAM" everywhere in the house for your "health", "safety" and "fitness" gimmick [00:04] schestowitz__ http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/05/vaccine-platforms-and-limited-global.html?showComment=1621437850898#c3670832472729600458 [00:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Vaccine platforms and limited global production capacity: what is to be done? - The IPKat [00:04] schestowitz__ "Thanks for your response, but my message was about going beyond 'IP solutions' and promoting/funding R&D in developing countries. I agree with compulsory licensing, but actually meaningful technology transfer is needed, for example in exchange for access to developing country markets by pharma. We are in a very serious crisis that also provides the opportunities for meaningful structural changes which will help with future pandemics [00:04] schestowitz__ IP solutions are a distraction because we all know they won't provide vaccines to the developing world. We need to help the developing world a lot more than that." [00:05] schestowitz__ "IP solutions" LOL [00:05] schestowitz__ I've nothing against Internet Protocol [00:05] baronhk[m]1 Most people who leave a baby in a hot car are some kind of degenerate asshole out between prison stints. [00:05] baronhk[m]1 So I doubt this "feature" does any real good. [00:06] schestowitz__ if You LOVE YOUR BABY, YOUWillBuyThis!! (TM) [00:06] schestowitz__ lots of companies shoehorn bad things by hijacking popular causes [00:06] schestowitz__ or by concern-trolling [00:06] schestowitz__ like censoring communities [00:06] schestowitz__ to make them "more welcoming" [00:06] rasengan schestowitz__: I agree entirely. [00:06] schestowitz__ by means nobody even spoke about [00:07] schestowitz__ like removing the term "lame" [00:07] schestowitz__ rasengan: I'm no friend of rich people, but I think you're being misunderstood in this context [00:07] schestowitz__ maybe it was handles poorly on the communications side [00:07] rasengan schestowitz__: I appreciate your efforts in helping to bring up issues on your website, and look forward to engaging with you and the rest of the community to help develop the proper structure to carry freenode to the future. [00:07] schestowitz__ PIA is the only VPN I trust [00:08] schestowitz__ baronhk[m]1 uses it [00:08] schestowitz__ rasengan: have you spoken to #fsf and #gnu also? [00:08] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [00:08] schestowitz__ their words in support of staying on freenode would go a long way [00:09] CrystalMath schestowitz__: ##slackware is staying [00:09] schestowitz__ good [00:09] schestowitz__ we don't need to rock the boat [00:09] schestowitz__ until there's some very very bad faith move by rasengan [00:09] rasengan I think there was definitely poor communication. I apologize for that. I've not yet spoken to anyone in those groups, but with respect and honor to the organizations, there were issues that arose there as well that I don't particularly have any of my own opinion on since I don't have enough information, but I want to make sure we structure this [00:09] rasengan right for everyone and fully understand what we're doing to avoid anything like what's happening here or what happened there. [00:09] schestowitz__ most of us just want to get on with work, not hop between networks [00:09] rasengan I thought you meant in terms of sorting the governance of freenode, I apologize. [00:10] lockeanarchist maybe the best way is calling people from fsf/distros to be staff here [00:10] schestowitz__ that can help improve confidence [00:10] schestowitz__ that might help, too [00:10] rasengan With respect to channels and groups, I actually hope that everyone simply makes their own opinion and call based on what best suits their situation - be it to stay on freenode, move to another IRC Network, or even adopt a self-hosted, FOSS, in house platform of some kind. [00:10] *slep has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [00:10] schestowitz__ people and names we can recognise [00:10] lockeanarchist Arch Linux is undecided yet [00:10] rasengan lockeanarchist I agree. [00:11] schestowitz__ lockeanarchist: they're busying coding/hacking [00:11] rasengan Something that I've prepared as a proposal but haven't yet presented it publicly as I have (from former freenode staffers and others) received mixed input (positive and negative). [00:11] schestowitz__ afaik, the only 'bad' thing rasengan did was takeover of the domain or whatnot [00:11] schestowitz__ without properly explaining the intentions [00:11] schestowitz__ what are the operating costs of freenode, aside from staff/HR? [00:12] schestowitz__ 10,000 dollars a month? [00:12] CrystalMath ReactOS remains primarily on mattermost but remains bridged to freenode [00:12] schestowitz__ I assume there's also the repair aspect [00:12] schestowitz__ but you already have DCs full of iron for PIA all around the world [00:12] schestowitz__ IRC has low footprint on the server side [00:12] rasengan Essentially, as I understood it, aside from certain aspects that are more difficult to decentralize, what I'm interested in to see is if the community is interested in a different model more akin to EFnet (e.g., if Arch Linux links a server like irc.archlinux.org, then the server remains that and people will eventually connect via that). Thus if [00:12] rasengan they feel, in the future, that freenode is failing them, they can simply delink/relink elsewhere or stand-alone. [00:13] lockeanarchist rasengan: You guys need to talk with Ubuntu/Arch/FSF ops fast, try to get together a council proposal etc idk [00:13] rasengan This would essentially cause the domain 'freenode.net' to become less important overtime and give rise to a truly decentralized IRC network. [00:13] lockeanarchist if this ambivalence persists Freenode will bleed fast [00:13] schestowitz__ IRC isn't built to be decentralised [00:13] schestowitz__ because of the nature of rooms [00:13] rasengan That's true - let's call it, less centralized. [00:14] schestowitz__ I hardly of a true/pure delinked from central point chat clients [00:14] XRevan86 More like XMPP? [00:14] schestowitz__ xmpp has a server [00:14] schestowitz__ you can self-host, sure [00:14] schestowitz__ with openfire is what/how we did it [00:14] XRevan86 Which is not the same as the MUC server. [00:14] cow_2001 nobody self hosts [00:14] cow_2001 almost nobody [00:14] CrystalMath rasengan: i think that's a great idea actually! [00:14] XRevan86 Oh hey, a user of OpenFire, how weird. [00:14] schestowitz__ it's problematgic [00:14] schestowitz__ for MANY reasons [00:14] schestowitz__ (self-hosting IRC) [00:14] superkuh The IRC community isn't interested in change. The IRC community wants stability. [00:15] schestowitz__ yes! [00:15] schestowitz__ PIA has many servers [00:15] superkuh People who want change are using discord/slack/etc already. [00:15] schestowitz__ and needs people who can operate the IRC daemons or whatnot [00:16] schestowitz__ if PIA wants a business model, it can try to offer VPN "added value" [00:16] schestowitz__ like anonymous IRC access packages [00:16] schestowitz__ which I don't think would be unethical [00:16] schestowitz__ I get some leaks from sources over IRC [00:16] rasengan I don't think that changing the nomenclature on the IRC network will cause too much issue since the original irc.freenode and chat.freenode would still round robin. [00:17] schestowitz__ anonymity isn't a think, but we can work towards that, to replace "document drops" [00:17] schestowitz__ I don't think the domain is the issue [00:17] XRevan86 superkuh: And then Discord just arbitrarily blocks them. [00:17] schestowitz__ it's whether people trust the domain owner [00:17] schestowitz__ I am working on a long article about freenode [00:17] XRevan86 but one person is not important, so the world moves on [00:18] schestowitz__ but need to get more facts right, the prior ones were very hasty and rushed due to panic [00:18] schestowitz__ XRevan86: we can all agree those proprietary systems are obsolete to us [00:18] schestowitz__ we move in a different direction, different goals [00:18] rasengan schestowitz__: I agree, re the trust. That said, to cause someone to trust a single domain and domain owner is a bit much. That trust could be spread across many different domains, hosted by projects who choose to exist here. [00:19] schestowitz__ rasengan: +1 [00:20] *rasengan has quit (Changing host) [00:20] *rasengan (~rasengan@freenode/staff/rasengan) has joined #techrights [00:20] techrights-bot Nowadays, #uspto grants #patents on everything that moves, even mere thoughts. It's a joke. Let's get back to #patent sanity, shall we? https://twitter.com/patentlyo/status/1395091737232781313?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw [00:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@patentlyo: REISSUE patents continue to issue every week. This historic chart is super interesting! Back in 1875, the Patent O https://t.co/U3Abqn6YdI [00:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@patentlyo: REISSUE patents continue to issue every week. This historic chart is super interesting! Back in 1875, the Patent O https://t.co/U3Abqn6YdI [00:20] schestowitz__ rasengan: is Shells run by your brother? [00:21] superkuh You say that as you tear the entire community apart using your legal shell games to deny involvement on technicalities. But I don't care what legal fictions you hide behind. It's you. Some future panacea of perfectly federated IRC is irrelevant to what you are doing now. [00:21] rasengan schestowitz__: Yes [00:21] schestowitz__ cool. [00:21] schestowitz__ superkuh: mind you, running the network costs money [00:22] schestowitz__ that's the reality of it [00:22] schestowitz__ so he's walking as tight rope here... [00:22] schestowitz__ for us the 'lazy' geeks what matters is that freenode is "just there..." [00:25] superkuh Now imagine if it were Bill Gates (or any suitable rich person) providing the funding hands off, then, taking control despite saying he wouldn't. Would you respond the same way? [00:26] schestowitz__ that's a straw man [00:26] schestowitz__ being rich is not a sin [00:26] schestowitz__ esp. if inherited etc. [00:26] superkuh Certainly not. [00:27] schestowitz__ billionaires are rarely good people [00:27] schestowitz__ if they were, they would likely not get THAT wealthy [00:27] schestowitz__ so comparing sociopaths to rasengan seems unfair [00:27] superkuh But you seem willing to ignore a lot because "the network costs money". [00:27] schestowitz__ I saw no evidence of him being ill-spirited [00:27] superkuh Well, he literally denied being behind handshake to me in a hackernews thread. [00:28] superkuh Legal shell games. [00:28] schestowitz__ if he is handshake or "pi" fund, then that's good [00:28] schestowitz__ they helped some decent projects [00:28] superkuh It's a cryptocurrency he shilled on freenode and gave away to freenode members to get it going. [00:28] superkuh It's one he is on the leadership of. [00:29] rasengan superkuh: I didn't deny that at all to be clear. [00:29] superkuh https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27175711 [00:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.ycombinator.com | More London Trust Media Holdings corporate moves to try to monetize the FOSS pro... | Hacker News [00:29] superkuh Lets let the text show. [00:29] rasengan As for the 'shill', I think that is a gross misinterpretation of what Handshake is. [00:30] schestowitz__ Handshake is a GoodThing (TM) [00:30] schestowitz__ afaik [00:30] *includeals (~includeal@a94-132-132-125.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #techrights [00:30] schestowitz__ if he's being Handshake, GOOD [00:30] schestowitz__ he or Mr. Kim [00:30] superkuh Yeah, I like the idea. I'm a user of namecoin. I even tried out handshake. [00:31] MinceR handshake is what you get when you stick your hand into a running blender that's full of milk? [00:31] CrystalMath schestowitz__: i don't know, i heard these became less popular since 2020 :P [00:32] CrystalMath (get it? because handshakes, and covid) [00:32] schestowitz__ oops, I means "behind" [00:32] CrystalMath (it's a joke) [00:33] schestowitz__ I'm just preparing Daily Links now [00:33] schestowitz__ I've put aside all the freenode links [00:33] schestowitz__ about 15 from today [00:33] schestowitz__ I need to study them later and form an assessment, maybe this weekend [00:33] cow_2001 /iset freenode [00:33] cow_2001 err [00:33] cow_2001 oops [00:34] schestowitz__ BTW, what's with Sweden? [00:34] schestowitz__ Do people assume it's good place for hosting? [00:34] schestowitz__ In 2021? [00:34] schestowitz__ EU/Sweden are not free speech-friendly [00:34] schestowitz__ Iceland is better [00:35] schestowitz__ Sweden was maybe OK when Wikileaks hosted there over a decade back [00:35] schestowitz__ when people say 'we host from sweden" I'm suspicious [00:36] schestowitz__ like people who use Switzerland as a badge of ethics [00:36] baronhk[m]1 schestowitz__: I'd just buy everything I would ever want and save a few million for myself and give all the rest away to things I cared about. [00:36] schestowitz__ it's where many thieves avoid paying tax or hide illegal money [00:36] baronhk[m]1 People have no real need of $100 billion. [00:36] schestowitz__ right [00:36] schestowitz__ but it's an ego game [00:36] baronhk[m]1 After several million, you'll definitely have everything you'll ever need or want. [00:36] schestowitz__ compensating for lack of other thing [00:36] schestowitz__ it becomes a sickness reinforces by who they hang out with and compete with [00:37] baronhk[m]1 I couldn't see myself as anything more than an eccentric millionaire. [00:37] schestowitz__ my salary is about 25k a year and it's enough to keep me happy and health [00:37] schestowitz__ *healthy (we have NHS) [00:37] MinceR baronhk[m]1: i doubt it [00:37] MinceR can you get a proper army for $100 billion? [00:38] baronhk[m]1 Even with double or triple that here, you would be far from comfortable. [00:38] baronhk[m]1 The government would make sure of that with all of their dirty health insurance laws. [00:38] *slep (~slep@cpc150002-brnt4-2-0-cust437.4-2.cable.virginm.net) has joined #techrights [00:39] schestowitz__ MinceR: mind you, many of these people are very old [00:39] schestowitz__ (ageism blah blah) [00:39] schestowitz__ they won't have much time or capacity to enjoy that money [00:39] baronhk[m]1 Oddly, ACA premium supports don't count against you, so as long as you watch that your income doesn't go too high, you can be an immigrant and on a subsidized health insurance plan and they can't say anything about it. [00:39] schestowitz__ either physical limitation of lack of time [00:39] schestowitz__ *or [00:40] baronhk[m]1 But Medicaid counts against you if you're an immigrant, even though it costs the government about $4,600 per Medicaid beneficiary per year vs. possibly $7,000-$8,000 in ACA credits. [00:40] baronhk[m]1 So enrolling in something that costs the government twice as much is the way to go if you're a low income immigrant in need of insurance. [00:42] techrights-bot Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151379 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [00:43] techrights-bot Links 20/5/2021: #Mesa 21.1.1 Released and #vista10X is Dead Already http://techrights.org/2021/05/19/windows-10x-is-dead/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/05/19/windows-10x-is-dead/ [00:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 20/5/2021: Mesa 21.1.1 Released and Windows 10X is Dead Already | Techrights [00:45] schestowitz__ [09:06] baronhk[m]1: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/samsung-gpl.ogg [00:45] schestowitz__ good times, eh? [00:46] schestowitz__ much changed since [00:46] schestowitz__ now they tell almost billions of devices with linux (gplv2) [00:46] schestowitz__ brb coffee [00:51] schestowitz__ rasengan: just in [00:51] schestowitz__ https://www.gentoo.org/news/2021/05/19/Freenode.html [00:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gentoo.org | Freenode IRC and Gentoo Gentoo Linux [00:51] schestowitz__ "We are aware of the situation surrounding Freenode ownership and / or administration (1, 2, 3, 4) and are watching current developments closely. So far no decision on Gentoo involvement has been taken. Please check this page for future updates." [00:51] schestowitz__ need to hurry] [00:52] schestowitz__ maybe go speak to them in #gentoo [00:52] baronhk[m]1 The years have not been kind. [00:52] baronhk[m]1 But what else is new? [00:52] schestowitz__ I'd rather not see freenode falling apart [00:52] schestowitz__ baronhk[m]1: less hair :0-) [00:52] rasengan schestowitz__: Currently, tomaw and I have been working on a joint announcement. It's really late where he's at so he's sleeping right now. [00:52] schestowitz__ makes sense [00:53] XRevan86 rasengan: https://gist.github.com/joepie91/df80d8d36cd9d1bde46ba018af497409 Ye've seen this of course? [00:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gist.github.com | freenode-faq.md GitHub [00:53] schestowitz__ anyway, I am watching the situation, monitoring for any misconceptions [00:54] schestowitz__ this reminds me of https://rms-support-letter.github.io/ [00:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rms-support-letter.github.io | An open letter in support of Richard M. Stallman | An open letter in support of RMS. [00:54] schestowitz__ 1) it's on github [00:54] schestowitz__ 2) they go for quantities [00:55] MinceR https://hugelolcdn.com/i/746423.png [00:55] XRevan86 https://gist.github.com/realrasengan/88549ec34ee32d01629354e4075d2d48 this is also on github [00:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gist.github.com | Letter to freenode GitHub [00:55] schestowitz__ 3) we hear one side of it only [00:55] XRevan86 these two pastes are what an OpenNET (Russian) article on the topic links to [00:56] XRevan86 MinceR: This is gold. [00:58] schestowitz__ XRevan86: I will link to that [00:58] schestowitz__ this is the sort of counter-argument more people need to at least see [00:58] XRevan86 I linked to both in another channel. [00:58] XRevan86 Still figuring out the situation. [00:59] schestowitz__ I am guessing some people compared Lee to Trump because of the lowercase "real" [00:59] schestowitz__ though I doubt he'd support those sorts of politics [00:59] schestowitz__ people tried calling me Trump too [00:59] schestowitz__ just cheap tactics that mislead ● May 20 [01:00] XRevan86 schestowitz__: Ye read the comments or something? [01:00] schestowitz__ might be of relevance to rasengan http://techrights.org/2021/04/29/ritual-defamation/ [01:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Practice of Ritual Defamation (Relevant to Cancel Mobs) | Techrights [01:01] schestowitz__ XRevan86: the comments are shit [01:01] schestowitz__ comments are USUALLY pure shit [01:01] XRevan86 schestowitz__: They really are. [01:02] schestowitz__ I read the first half a dozen and gave up [01:02] schestowitz__ Techrigths doesn't bother much with comments [01:02] schestowitz__ and I don't waste much effort on social control media [01:02] schestowitz__ GitHub is social control media [01:02] schestowitz__ a bunch of "randoms" spewing hate [01:03] XRevan86 Anyway, both sides accuse each other of hostile take-over. [01:03] schestowitz__ even people who are already preconditioned to oppose you, so it amplifies polarity [01:03] schestowitz__ I have read more comments [01:03] schestowitz__ further down it's pure shitposting [01:04] schestowitz__ and short spews [01:04] schestowitz__ even our IRC channel is more tame, albeit informal [01:04] schestowitz__ anyway... seems like a ritual mob [01:04] schestowitz__ and I see people referring to Lee as "Korean" though he's American [01:04] schestowitz__ imagine them calling some British-born people "Indian" [01:05] schestowitz__ So that's some tribalism right there [01:05] superkuh And concentrating on that aspect rather than the corporate and legal take-over is bike shedding. [01:05] superkuh I intrinsically trust human people more than corporations. [01:05] XRevan86 One point of the opposition is that the rasengan's company doesn't have any claim on Freenode whatsoever as even the domain names being in its control is a historical misunderstanding, so it wasn't his call to begin with. [01:06] MinceR i don't trust those "human people" that much [01:06] schestowitz__ that's a form of veiled racism by the way [01:06] schestowitz__ the "yellow peril" type [01:06] MinceR especially the ones that signed the anti-RMS letter [01:06] XRevan86 rasengan meanwhile says that he does own Freenode, and did all sorts of things for the network's proliferation. [01:06] schestowitz__ MinceR: yeah, depends on the human [01:07] schestowitz__ XRevan86: he has owned it for a long time [01:07] superkuh I don't think anyone is denying all the help he's given the network. But ownership and money does not make right. [01:07] schestowitz__ many people just didn't know [01:07] schestowitz__ I knew since the start [01:07] *GuySoft has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [01:07] schestowitz__ superkuh: fair point [01:07] superkuh I did. There was an upset back then. But most, and myself included, were calmed when we were informed that the servers weren't owned by the LLC. [01:07] schestowitz__ typical scenario with VCs [01:07] schestowitz__ they give money [01:07] schestowitz__ then they own the recipient [01:07] superkuh And that the LLC wouldn't interfere with the network. [01:07] XRevan86 schestowitz__: The opposition point is that Freenode Ltd. != Freenode [01:07] schestowitz__ then they fire the founder etc. [01:07] superkuh But it turns out that was a lie. [01:08] superkuh Or, a very, very very bad miscommunication equal to a lie. [01:08] superkuh I recall many channels making plans to move to other networks then. [01:08] superkuh If this happened. [01:08] XRevan86 > Tomaw turns around and asks me a bunch of questions if I'm going to challenge his control. He also says he understands I am the owner. [01:09] XRevan86 But this implies a different story. [01:09] schestowitz__ who owns that other network, which they say is based in Sweden but isn't run by Swedish people? [01:09] schestowitz__ (not going to call it a ShellsGame) [01:09] schestowitz__ like MinceR said, don't trust people either [01:09] schestowitz__ depends on the people [01:09] XRevan86 "don't trust people either" [01:09] *XRevan86 looks at uBlock. [01:10] schestowitz__ SoylentNews kicked people out when they were asleep [01:10] schestowitz__ I see the same here [01:10] schestowitz__ XRevan86: friends don't trust friends :-) [01:10] XRevan86 Man is a wolf to man? [01:11] schestowitz__ Man is a 'wolf' to wolves [01:12] schestowitz__ https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/01/05/gray-wolves-lose-federal-endangered-species-act-protections/ [01:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Gray Wolves Lose Federal Endangered Species Act protections - CounterPunch.org [01:12] schestowitz__ MinceR: https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/10/19/taxpayers-shell-out-huge-subsidies-to-wolf-pup-killers-ranching-enterprise/ [01:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Taxpayers Shell Out Huge Subsidies to Wolf Pup-Killers Ranching Enterprise - CounterPunch.org [01:12] XRevan86 https://youtu.be/sTg5Ldqm8ME [01:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Nostalgia Critic - MAN! - YouTube [01:12] schestowitz__ https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/09/11/reckless-violent-massacre-570-wolves-and-wolf-pups-idaho-bolsters-alarm-over-trump [01:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | 'Reckless, Violent, Massacre' of 570 Wolves and Wolf Pups in Idaho Bolsters Alarm Over Trump Attack on Species Protections | Common Dreams News [01:13] schestowitz__ https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/05/28/nation-focused-pandemic-trump-interior-dept-greenlight-killing-bear-cubs-and-wolf [01:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | With Nation Focused on Pandemic, Trump Interior Dept. to Greenlight Killing of Bear Cubs and Wolf Pups in Their Dens | Common Dreams News [01:15] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 36.20 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 19.58 swarm size (avg): 224.50 [01:15] techrights-bot Recognizing handwritten MNIST digits on an Arduino Uno using LogNNet | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/05/19/recognizing-handwritten-mnist-digits-on-an-arduino-uno-using-lognnet/ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/05/20/#latest [01:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | Recognizing handwritten MNIST digits on an Arduino Uno using LogNNet | Arduino Blog [01:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [01:15] techrights-bot "Theres no shortage of very smart people working on Mesa. One of those, aspiring benchmark-quadrupler Marek Olk, had a novel idea some time ago: Could C++ function templates were used to optimize draw dispatch in driver?" https://www.supergoodcode.com/template-me/ [01:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.supergoodcode.com | Template Me Mike Blumenkrantz Super. Good. Code. [01:16] techrights-bot Dirk Eddelbuettel: RcppDate 0.0.3: New Upstream http://dirk.eddelbuettel.com/blog/2021/05/19#rcppdate_0.0.3 #programming [01:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dirk.eddelbuettel.com | Thinking inside the box [01:17] MinceR https://pleated-jeans.com/2021/05/12/clever-funny-tinder-bios/ [01:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleated-jeans.com | Tinders Not A Game, But If It Were, These Are The All-Time Champs (50 Pics) [01:18] techrights-bot #ptab #fakepatents #uspto https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/05/standing-challenge-appeals.html "Apple and Qualcomm have a license deal, and Apple has licensed the patent at issue (along with at least 20,000 other patents)." [01:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | En Banc on Standing for IPR Challenge Appeals | Patently-O [01:19] techrights-bot " #Ireland will oppose much of the European Commissions plan for a more unified corporate tax regime across the bloc and believes it will be joined by many other sceptical member states, Finance Minister Paschal Donohoe said on Wednesday." Trying to be a corporate Switzerland and assist robber barons. https://www.reuters.com/business/legal/ireland-opposes-much-eu-corporate-tax-plan-minister-2021-05-19/ [01:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ireland opposes much of EU corporate tax plan - minister | Reuters [01:20] *kupi (uid212005@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wambptnsccsnaikr) has joined #techrights [01:23] techrights-bot This is hardly a clash but an echo chamber of #patent zealots, who also fund this "podcast" to get their talking points across. Except KEI. https://www.managingip.com/article/b1rx0d5vbw3mpf/podcast-pharma-insiders-clash-over-covid-ip-waiver #patents #monopolies #greed [01:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Podcast: Pharma insiders clash over COVID IP waiver | Managing Intellectual Property [01:23] XRevan86 https://github.com/GloDroid/glodroid_manifest/releases/tag/v0.6.1 oh hey, it's alive [01:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Release GloDroid v0.6.1 GloDroid/glodroid_manifest GitHub [01:23] techrights-bot #SoftwarePatents and other #fakePatents will almost always be thrown out by #ptab if the petition is admitted https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2021/5/18/digimedia-tech-patent-determined-to-be-likely-invalid #swpats [01:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unifiedpatents.com | DigiMedia Tech patent determined to be likely invalid Unified Patents [01:24] XRevan86 MinceR: ^ [01:24] schestowitz__ XRevan86: maybe in the wrong platform [01:24] XRevan86 schestowitz__: No control over that. [01:25] XRevan86 I can only bring the news \_()_/ [01:25] schestowitz__ while it lasts [01:25] schestowitz__ github will be offline one day [01:25] schestowitz__ maybe not before tooooooo long [01:25] MinceR XRevan86: nice [01:25] schestowitz__ hopefully [01:25] schestowitz__ and the project won't have a say on it [01:26] MinceR too bad google seems to be on the way to lock android down even further [01:26] schestowitz__ Remember freshmeat, google code, codeplex etc. [01:26] MinceR apparently they'll fuck up the way applications access storage yet again [01:26] XRevan86 What's new under the sun? [01:26] MinceR already the only file manager i have that's fully functional on android is the one that shipped with the phone [01:27] XRevan86 MinceR: Material Files? [01:27] techrights-bot Max Walters as a megaphone for aggressive law firms that pay his salary, calling on China to join their ridiculous regime of preliminary injunctions, presumed guilt, no due process etc. https://www.managingip.com/article/b1rwzyqltym19r/lawyers-chinese-courts-should-seriously-encourage-pis [01:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Lawyers: Chinese courts should seriously encourage PIs | Managing Intellectual Property [01:28] XRevan86 schestowitz__: \_()_/ [01:28] schestowitz__ clownFiles [01:28] schestowitz__ Google helps you [01:28] schestowitz__ by backing that up for you [01:28] MinceR XRevan86: i think it's some LG-specific application [01:29] MinceR "File Manager" [01:29] schestowitz__ LG still does Android [01:29] schestowitz__ ? [01:29] XRevan86 MinceR: It's a recommendation: https://f-droid.org/ru/packages/me.zhanghai.android.files [01:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-f-droid.org | Material Files | F-Droid - Free and Open Source Android App Repository [01:29] XRevan86 schestowitz__: Nay. [01:29] schestowitz__ afaik, they will imminently quit the market [01:29] schestowitz__ and have said that for years [01:29] MinceR XRevan86: oh. [01:30] schestowitz__ they want to focus better on fridges with microphones on them :-) [01:30] schestowitz__ and webos [01:30] schestowitz__ aka. palm OS [01:30] schestowitz__ among other names [01:30] MinceR schestowitz__: sadly, they stopped making phones [01:30] schestowitz__ I forgot another incarnation of it after/before HO [01:30] schestowitz__ HP [01:30] MinceR there probably won't be another android phone as good as this LG V50 [01:31] schestowitz__ are they profitable at all? [01:31] schestowitz__ samsung is far bigger [01:31] schestowitz__ htc also had trouble with phones, blamed marketing [01:31] MinceR probably not [01:31] MinceR samsung went to shit [01:32] MinceR htc had trouble implementing a headset jack that worked properly [01:33] techrights-bot Yet another nonsensical buzzword "HealthTech", as prelude to patenting agenda even in areas that must not be patented, sometimes for ethical considerations https://techround.co.uk/guides/why-healthtech-founders-should-patent-their-technology/ see http://techrights.org/2019/04/08/software-as-a-medical-device-samd-like-medtech-at-the-epo-just-another-dodge-for-illegitimate-software-patents/ [01:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techround.co.uk | Why HealthTech Founders Should Patent Their Technology - TechRound [01:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Software as a Medical Device (SaMD) Like MedTech at the EPO Just Another Dodge for Illegitimate Software Patents | Techrights [01:34] techrights-bot "Written by Esm Swindells #Patent Attorney at Potter Clarkson LLP", so basically "Tech"Round has been reduced to misleading and shameless marketing spam for a bunch of lawyers and attorneys, disguised as "news". [01:35] XRevan86 I haven't seen a Samsung phone since 2013 maybe. [01:35] schestowitz__ I've not has a mobile phone [01:35] XRevan86 and I've seen a bloody Lumia [01:35] schestowitz__ I remember having a motorola until maybe 2003 [01:35] schestowitz__ it was huge [01:35] schestowitz__ it was like 1995 tech [01:36] schestowitz__ my dad wanted to be able to contact me [01:36] XRevan86 The owner even said something like caring about longer support than for an Android phone. [01:36] XRevan86 I made a prediction to him referencing what happened to WP7 [01:36] schestowitz__ some say Android is the issue [01:37] XRevan86 it's nice to be right [01:37] schestowitz__ I go further and say phone is the issue (mobile) [01:37] schestowitz__ their location precision improved a lot, and that's not a plus [01:37] MinceR i used a company-owned samsung galaxy s9, and i don't miss it at all [01:37] XRevan86 schestowitz__: I'm talking about Windows Phone/Mobile vs. Android. [01:37] MinceR they bent the display so far it would become unresponsive to taps [01:37] XRevan86 the year 2018 or something [01:38] *schestowitz__ taps the mouse buttons and moves the thing around [01:38] *schestowitz__ does not have a stylus for finger, need pencil sharpener for 'meat' [01:39] techrights-bot #SoftwarePatent at #epo https://www.mondaq.com/germany/patent/1065008/translation-of-a-natural-language-into-an-abstract-language-non-technical #swpats [01:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | Translation Of A Natural Language Into An Abstract Language: Non-Technical - Intellectual Property - Germany [01:40] XRevan86 I told a person that Microsoft will screw them over and their "smartphone" will become more useless than an instantly obsoleted Chinese Android phone. [01:40] XRevan86 "Chinese" as in a small Chinese brand [01:40] XRevan86 not like Honor or something [01:40] schestowitz__ all phones are chinese [01:40] schestowitz__ almost all [01:41] XRevan86 yea, I had to make that clarification [01:41] schestowitz__ lg, samsung and lg might be taipei and seoul based, but manufacturing is in china [01:41] schestowitz__ so let's distinguish brands from origins [01:41] schestowitz__ or designs [01:41] MinceR my LG V50 was made in korea [01:41] MinceR but they aren't making any more [01:41] schestowitz__ apple is a 'chinese' company, mostly.. [01:41] schestowitz__ their "AYE PEE" is in the US [01:41] *tr_guest|39786 (4944130d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.73.68.19.13) has joined #techrights [01:42] schestowitz__ hi, tr_guest|39786 [01:42] schestowitz__ MinceR: some Nokia phones were made in Finland [01:42] schestowitz__ raspi is still made in uk, maybe wales, iirc [01:42] schestowitz__ but it phones Trumpland [01:42] schestowitz__ Redmond [01:43] XRevan86 s/Nokia/Jolla/ [01:43] XRevan86 fixed that for you [01:43] MinceR afaik the current nokia mobile has nothing to do with the one microsoft bought and buried [01:43] XRevan86 MinceR: The one made by Foxconn? [01:44] MinceR the one made by HMD Global, i guess [01:44] *tr_guest|39786 has quit (Client Quit) [01:44] MinceR if you mean the current one [01:44] MinceR i don't know who made the old ones [01:46] XRevan86 MinceR: Foxconn is manufacturing for them. [01:46] MinceR :( [01:46] techrights-bot #GNOMEFoundation moved on from being enveloped by companies that do not CARE about #freesw to shilling for those that actively ATTACK #softwareFreedom and they use the "G" in GNOME (GNU) to borrow credibility they do not deserve http://techrights.org/wiki/GNOME_Foundation [01:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GNOME Foundation - Techrights [01:46] XRevan86 some earlier phones were also designed by Foxconn, don't know about the current deal [01:48] XRevan86 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ea/Nokia_9_Pureview_2.jpg [01:48] XRevan86 One day the phone cameras will start triggering tripophobia [01:49] schestowitz__ I read that as tripod-phobia [01:49] schestowitz__ fear from stable footage :-) [01:49] XRevan86 hah [01:51] techrights-bot Does #JimZemlin speak for you? For us? http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Jim-Zemlin-Open-Source-Loves-Microsoft.webm [01:51] MinceR :) [01:51] techrights-bot #ibm when it gave a damn about #gnu #linux "100% of the time" http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/linux-ibm.webm [01:52] XRevan86 https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/PinePhone_Software_Releases "However, if your phone came preloaded with software, Please see PinePhone Updating Instructions" that "if" reminded me of https://youtu.be/fCKMxzz9cjs?t=373 [01:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.pine64.org | PinePhone Software Releases - PINE64 [01:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-This $200 phone can do ANYTHING!!! - Pine64 Pinephone - YouTube [01:52] MinceR https://i0.wp.com/www.adventurealan.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/light-L16-front.jpg?fit=1030%2C687 [01:53] techrights-bot #google : we spy on billions of people every minute of the day, but we find YOU unusual and suspicious. I think that's projection TBH. https://www.maketecheasier.com/solve-unusual-traffic-from-network-computer-google-error/ [01:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | How to Solve "Unusual Traffic from Your Network Computer" Google Error - Make Tech Easier [01:53] baronhk[m]1 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9596523/Chicago-Mayor-Lori-Lightfoot-faces-backlash-giving-black-brown-reporters-interviews.html [01:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailymail.co.uk | Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot faces backlash for only giving black and brown reporters interviews | Daily Mail Online [01:54] techrights-bot #apple became (or always was) such a #religion / #cult that its followers or worship gatherers are supposed to think that "working from home" for THEM is something UNIQUE. What a joke. https://www.maketecheasier.com/best-mac-tips-for-working-from-home/ [01:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | Best Mac Tips for Working from Home - Make Tech Easier [01:56] techrights-bot "The popular uprising against the #neoliberal #austerity measures and political repression of the Duque government in #Colombia entered its fourth week today with the National Strike Committee announcing a new round of #strikes and mass marches." https://howiehawkins.us/statement-on-columbian-protests/ [01:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-howiehawkins.us | Statement on Columbian Protests | Howie Hawkins for our Future [01:56] schestowitz__ baronhk[m]1: a bit o-t [01:57] schestowitz__ unless you want to start a whole fight over race [01:57] schestowitz__ XRevan86: those still are more expensive than some decent PCs [01:57] schestowitz__ PCs that can do a lot more [01:57] schestowitz__ bar connecting to a network that tracks movement [01:58] schestowitz__ in exchange for little but receiving calls on the go [01:59] techrights-bot #microsoft vs #android using #swpats http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/swpats-the-tek.webm #patent #blackmail ● May 20 [02:00] techrights-bot #rms against #swpats at the #epo http://techrights.org/videos/rms-eu-part-2.ogg #patents #europe [02:00] XRevan86 schestowitz__: Who? Pinephones? [02:00] schestowitz__ pinephones are cheaper [02:00] schestowitz__ but with patents and all not cheap enough [02:00] schestowitz__ those probably cost well under $50 to manufacture [02:00] schestowitz__ but they take licensed components [02:01] schestowitz__ that include lots of fees 'sorted' [02:01] schestowitz__ like DSPs and stuff [02:01] schestowitz__ a pinephone still costs more than my main laptop did [02:01] schestowitz__ and has a lot less in terms of capacity, ports etc. [02:02] schestowitz__ mine also comes with a large screen [02:02] schestowitz__ 1920px across [02:02] baronhk[m]1 It's nice to see that while gunfire erupts and the bodies are piling up twice as fast under Lightfoot as they have under any mayor since the 70s, she's retreated to a "fort" with round the clock protection from CPD and only gives interviews to minorities who did not get her elected. [02:02] schestowitz__ phones don't need much more than 320px across [02:02] schestowitz__ because you don't put them next to your eyes [02:02] baronhk[m]1 It's all of these white guilt people like mjg59 who put her in and now they get to watch the shitshow unfold. [02:02] schestowitz__ but it's o-t anyway [02:02] MinceR i certainly need a lot more than 320px across [02:03] schestowitz__ you take us in a direction that lets him dig dirt [02:03] MinceR i wouldn't be able to use my irc client on a screen so tiny [02:03] XRevan86 schestowitz__: That is something only someone who hasn't used a touch-screen phone can say. [02:03] schestowitz__ MinceR: like a phine [02:03] schestowitz__ *phone [02:03] schestowitz__ XRevan86: pinch to zoom can be done in low-res screens [02:04] schestowitz__ they just don't manufacture such units anymore [02:04] XRevan86 MinceR: 320px is not about screen size necessarily, it could be about pixel density. [02:04] schestowitz__ dpi [02:04] MinceR well, let's see [02:04] MinceR an 8x8 font would be barely readable [02:04] schestowitz__ I don't need 300 pixels on an inch across [02:04] MinceR that leaves 40 columns and fewer rows [02:04] schestowitz__ I cannot even see that [02:04] MinceR i doubt my advanced windowlist would fit on a terminal so tiny [02:04] schestowitz__ like 200 fps [02:05] MinceR oh, schestowitz__ meant dot pitch, not total resolution [02:05] schestowitz__ MinceR: on a phone? [02:05] MinceR yes [02:05] schestowitz__ 5 inch? [02:05] MinceR i'll look up pixel densities [02:06] schestowitz__ some are crazy [02:06] *koo6 has quit (Quit: Leaving) [02:06] schestowitz__ like those cameras that make 10MB 'photos' [02:06] schestowitz__ that are mostly blur if you zoom in [02:07] MinceR most phone specs sites seem to be ignoring the pinephone [02:07] *koo6 (~koo6@89-24-13-235.customers.tmcz.cz) has joined #techrights [02:07] XRevan86 MinceR: They know they can't compete with https://pine64.org/pinephone/ :) [02:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pine64.org | PINEPHONE | PINE64 [02:08] techrights-bot Neelie Kroes on #microsoft http://techrights.org/videos/neelie-on-ms.ogg [02:08] MinceR they would be able to compete with it, if they calculated pixels per inch or something [02:08] MinceR it's too late for me to try and calculate that correctly [02:08] XRevan86 271 DPI [02:08] MinceR well, it's sufficient, but i could use more [02:09] *XRevan86 imagines schestowitz__ audibly gasping when reading that. [02:10] techrights-bot Enlightenment 13 years ago, already better than #microsoft #windows http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/enlightenment.ogg #gnu #linux [02:10] schestowitz__ XRevan86: if you hold a phone half a meter away from the high, you cannot see much of it [02:11] schestowitz__ imagine drawing lines between each of those pixels and the pupil [02:11] *XRevan86 doesn't know anyone high [02:11] schestowitz__ the photons overlap [02:11] schestowitz__ oops [02:11] schestowitz__ eye [02:11] schestowitz__ I was distracted [02:11] schestowitz__ wrote how it sounded [02:11] MinceR i can hold it closer to the eye :> [02:11] MinceR i often do :> [02:11] XRevan86 Those aren't even homophones unless they are for you, oh. [02:12] schestowitz__ MinceR: then it's not so much of a phone [02:12] schestowitz__ it's just a telescope or microscope :-) [02:12] MinceR i wish it was that too [02:12] MinceR though with macro photography, it can sometimes help see details :> [02:13] XRevan86 schestowitz__: Would ye spell it as "an high"? [02:13] schestowitz__ like binoculars [02:13] schestowitz__ no [02:13] schestowitz__ I was thinking of something else while typing [02:13] XRevan86 I mean "a" vs. "an" [02:14] techrights-bot #compiz nostalgia, 13 years ago http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/shelf-compiz.ogg #gnu #linux [02:14] schestowitz__ an eye [02:15] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 17.41 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 44.76 swarm size (avg): 224.54 [02:15] schestowitz__ e vowel, h not [02:15] XRevan86 there are h-omitting accents [02:16] XRevan86 where "high" and "eye" would actually sound the same way [02:16] techrights-bot #gnu turns 38 years this year. This is the 25th anniversary (I like the music) http://techrights.org/videos/happy-birthday-gnu.ogg [02:17] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Support Software Freedom | https://www.fsf.org/ | https://stallmansupport.org/) [02:17] *koo6 has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [02:18] techrights-bot "The latest version of Wind River Titanium Linux, developed by the Wind River technology protection and cybersecurity group Star Lab, offers a robust Linux system-hardening and security capability" https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2021/05/20/wind-river-studio-enhancements/ [02:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.helpnetsecurity.com | Wind River's enhancements deliver cybersecurity and anti-tamper protection - Help Net Security [02:20] XRevan86 After the timetagged point that ShortCircuit's PinePhone is absolutely beautiful, because the presenter has somehow managed to make all the wrong choices. Love it. [02:21] techrights-bot #1Password is almost certainly paying the media, one way or another, for these #openwashing puff pieces painting #ProprietarySoftware as kind of "open" https://www.pcmag.com/news/1password-rolls-out-official-support-and-a-desktop-app-for-linux [02:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-1Password Rolls Out Official Support and a Desktop App for Linux | PCMag [02:24] XRevan86 Did he honestly expect to figure out the problem using an external keyboard? If ye have a USB hub and a keyboard, it doesn't mean that ye have to use it. [02:24] techrights-bot Where is the #cancelGates petition at #microsoft #github h Where are those people who claim to care for justice? Attacking RMS? https://www.wired.com/story/opinion-the-world-loses-under-bill-gates-vaccine-colonialism/ [02:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The World Loses Under Bill Gates Vaccine Colonialism | WIRED [02:25] XRevan86 Maybe they didn't have a microSD card any microSD card. [02:25] XRevan86 64M+ [02:26] XRevan86 "I think probably what I'm going to have to do is flash an operating system onto an SD card" [02:26] baronhk[m]1 Wow, Wired published this? [02:26] baronhk[m]1 Open season on Bill Gates. [02:27] techrights-bot The State Of #freeSW In #India https://analyticsindiamag.com/the-state-of-open-source-ecosystem-in-india/ Sadly, this ridiculous puff piece pretends that #ProprietarySoftware #github (i.e. #microsoft ) is like the father of everything. The opposite is true: http://techrights.org/2020/06/15/confessions-of-scott-guthrie/ [02:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-analyticsindiamag.com | The State Of Open-Source Ecosystem In India [02:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Story About Microsofts Plan for GitHub Says a Lot About the Motivations and the Lies Told to Us for Over Half a Decade | Techrights [02:27] baronhk[m]1 He's finally gone so far that no publicist in the world can save him now. [02:27] XRevan86 That's easy, plugging all that nonsense to phone and fruitlessly combing through the manual was harder. [02:28] baronhk[m]1 "Gates first foray began unexpectedly in 1999, on the heels of a failed Western crackdown on South Africa after it flouted AIDS medicine patents due to outrageous drug prices and a debilitating HIV outbreak." [02:28] baronhk[m]1 Yes, but the ANC is so fucking retarded that they actually put in active HIV/AIDS deniers. [02:28] techrights-bot #LockHimUp https://news.yahoo.com/york-attorney-general-says-trump-105935396.html [02:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.yahoo.com | New York attorney general says Trump probe is now criminal [02:28] baronhk[m]1 Almost everyone in SA who is living with HIV/AIDS is black. [02:28] baronhk[m]1 While over a quarter of all SA citizens have it, only 0.3% of the white population has it. [02:29] XRevan86 baronhk[m]1: What's your point? [02:29] baronhk[m]1 So they want to distract from the fact that almost everyone who gets it is black by having a black president who denies it exists at all, and this as recently as a few years ago. [02:30] baronhk[m]1 More bullshit from a bullshit government who was smart enough to be terrorists but not enough to effectively govern a functioning country and have, in fact, brought one to its knees. [02:30] baronhk[m]1 The anti-white racism that brought down South Africa is playing out in Illinois too, especially Chicago, where the math is right to get someone like Lori Lightfoot. [02:31] XRevan86 them blacks and their aparthood [02:31] baronhk[m]1 Here though, it's mostly a LARGE WHITE MAJORITY that's just stupid enough to hand over the government and get a violent city that nobody wants to live in where everything is crumbling. [02:32] XRevan86 baronhk[m]1: I'm not an expert on South Africa but I thought that anti-white racism is by far not their first problem. [02:32] baronhk[m]1 It's a major problem. Brain drain, dude. [02:32] baronhk[m]1 Those who can get out are getting out. [02:32] XRevan86 where are they going? White Rus'? [02:33] baronhk[m]1 Those who had their property seized and banks still breathing down their necks are killing themselves, assuming the ANC-backed terrorists and criminals don't beat them to it. [02:33] techrights-bot The guy from the #ibm "LINUX" commercial http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/gnu-linux-metamorphosis.ogg [02:34] baronhk[m]1 Whites in SA are a holdover from Colonialism, but are not responsible for it, and ought to be afforded the rights of full citizenship, but they are not. [02:34] baronhk[m]1 They're lucky if they can own property and live, which is ironically the sort of apartheid that everyone in the world was sanctioning them for three decades ago when it was the other way around. [02:35] baronhk[m]1 Soon after the peaceful transition of power, the white minority was stripped of their rights, and now has their property seized and are unable to apply for jobs with the government or its contractors. [02:36] baronhk[m]1 So far, Lightfoot's overt anti-white racism has only gone so far as a complete lockout of white journalists who want to interview her, but it won't stop there. [02:36] techrights-bot #debian #gnu #linux as notable mention https://www.automationworld.com/factory/iiot/article/21440122/wago-corporation-5-things-to-consider-about-your-plant-floor-data-and-iiot [02:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.automationworld.com | 5 Things to Consider About Your Plant Floor Data and IIoT | Automation World [02:36] baronhk[m]1 She's one of those folks who isn't smart enough to realize who pays the taxes, until they all leave. [02:37] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social IRC logs ready. 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[02:38] techrights-bot #linux support for 24 monitors way back 12 years ago. #hardware support in this #kernel remains the world's best. http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Quake_3_on_24_Monitors.ogg [02:38] baronhk[m]1 I lived in South Chicago for an entire year, never once saw a child playing in the park the city built across the street. [02:38] techrights-bot 11 #GNULinux Distros That Still Support 32-Bit Architecture http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151380 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 11 Linux Distros That Still Support 32-Bit Architecture | Tux Machines [02:38] baronhk[m]1 Nobody figured it was safe enough to go outside for a walk. [02:39] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-190521.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-190521.txt Read the log now... [02:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 [02:39] baronhk[m]1 Control of those areas goes to people packing illegal guns that were never in the FOID system. [02:39] baronhk[m]1 Mostly people who are under 18, also, which is additionally illegal. [02:39] baronhk[m]1 Criminals don't follow the law. News flash! [02:39] techrights-bot Racist companies like #ibm merely coopted #blm for marketing https://news.yahoo.com/corporations-made-diversity-changes-wake-192202443.html see e.g. http://techrights.org/2020/08/16/ibm-powered-purges/ [02:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.yahoo.com | How corporations have made diversity changes in the wake of BLM protests [02:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Full Story (With References) of IBMs Role in a Purge of Black People and Mixed-Race Couples | Techrights [02:40] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's #techbytes IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-190521.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-190521.txt Read the log now... [02:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techbytes @ FreeNode: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 [02:40] techrights-bot How #gnu #linux helps the #environment http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/linux-recycle.ogg [02:40] baronhk[m]1 You're not allowed to have a handgun if you're under 21, or a convicted felon, or the subject of a restraining order. That's all at the FEDERAL level, before the state even gets involved. [02:40] baronhk[m]1 So that all applies even in a red state. [02:42] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's bulletin ready. http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2021-05-19.txt [02:42] techrights-bot We had a chat with the owner of #freenode (to appear in next day's log) http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-190521.html#tMay%2019%2023:58:55 [02:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 [02:42] baronhk[m]1 Then, additionally, in Illinois, to legally buy, sell, or possess a gun or ammunition for one, you have to be in possession of a FOID card, which is a form of ID that is issued by the state police after they do their own background check, and they only issue them to people in compliance with everything I just mentioned and have not been deemed mentally ill to the point where they were voluntarily or involuntarily [02:42] baronhk[m]1 committed for psychiatric treatment within the last 5 years. [02:43] baronhk[m]1 So, how is it that every nasty little gangbanger in Chicago, from the time the training wheels come off their bicycle, has a handgun? [02:43] baronhk[m]1 We must need another law. :) [02:44] baronhk[m]1 If they get caught, Kimm Foxx either negotiates it down to nothing or drops the charges. They're back out to rape and rob again in under a day, often with no cash bail. Certainly after no cash bail when that becomes the law in two years. [02:45] baronhk[m]1 Anti-white racism just means if you're white and innocently forget to renew your FOID on time, watch your cornhole in prison, pal. [02:45] techrights-bot Old: #swpats in #nz and why the country rejected #softwarePatents http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/NZ_Patent_Bill__Software_Patents_.ogg more context: http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Software_Patents_in_New_Zealand [02:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Software Patents in New Zealand - Techrights [02:45] schestowitz__ rasengan: https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7ev8y/freenode-open-source-korea-crown-prince-takeover [02:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.vice.com | Developers Flee Open Source Project After Takeover By Korean Crown Prince [02:45] schestowitz__ same publisher that rallies a mob against RMS [02:45] baronhk[m]1 This is what people bashing Techrights and RMS are, and what I'm getting at. [02:46] baronhk[m]1 They condemn racism, but never against white people. [02:47] baronhk[m]1 So they're actually fine with racism, just as long as it's drumming white conservatives out of college, putting well meaning white gun owners in prison, and marching men off to domestic violence re-education camp because their wife went and tossed that into the divorce to help win custody and more money. [02:47] superkuh Earlier in here it was mentioned that some of the staff of libera signed the RMS letter. Is there a list? A link? [02:47] baronhk[m]1 That last one is actually not racist, it's just a general prejudice against men. [02:47] baronhk[m]1 The idea that men deserve to suffer because in the past they were presumably running things. [02:48] schestowitz__ is Christel Dahlskjaer connected to lilo? [02:48] baronhk[m]1 Wages didn't just fall flat in the developed world because of globalization. [02:48] baronhk[m]1 They fell flat around the time women really started to enter the workforce in droves. [02:49] schestowitz__ I am still trying to wrap my hand around history of network ownership [02:49] baronhk[m]1 More labor means lower wages, regardless of why. [02:50] schestowitz__ they pay people less [02:50] baronhk[m]1 If the culture went back to one earner and one person tends the house and raises the children, then wages would necessarily rise. [02:50] schestowitz__ so both people need to work [02:50] schestowitz__ for the same household income [02:50] schestowitz__ in the past, less need for nurseries [02:50] schestowitz__ the mother would look after the kids [02:50] schestowitz__ and now they wonder why many couples won't have kids [02:51] baronhk[m]1 It's a time and money problem. [02:51] baronhk[m]1 No matter how you solve it, you rob Peter to pay Paul, and people are wise to it now. [02:52] techrights-bot 'Free' as in free strings, not free OF strings. We need to explain #softwareFreedom to people so that they don't fall into 'free' bear traps like these. https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/story/2021-05-19/free-software-for-small-businesses-mission-valley-startup-gosite-partners-with-edc-for-giveaway [02:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sandiegouniontribune.com | Free software for small businesses: Mission Valley startup GoSite partners with EDC for giveaway - The San Diego Union-Tribune [02:53] baronhk[m]1 There's not just a baby bust going on in the US, it's a population collapse that will leave us with a lot of old people with not much that came after them. [02:53] baronhk[m]1 If we don't turn on immigration or start making life livable for people who have kids, we're finished. [02:53] schestowitz__ that's BS [02:53] schestowitz__ the "aging population" BS [02:54] baronhk[m]1 People are angry at this $300 a month per child scheme of Biden's. [02:54] schestowitz__ they try to shame countries like japan, korea and singapore [02:54] baronhk[m]1 It's being viewed by most as immoral. [02:54] schestowitz__ which could benefit from lowering population densities anyway [02:54] schestowitz__ in there's a labour shortage in care, they can bring some workers from abroad [02:54] baronhk[m]1 A welfare state doesn't work when there's nobody paying in. [02:54] schestowitz__ anyway, it's off topic [02:54] baronhk[m]1 So our problem isn't running out of space. It's no tax base. [02:55] schestowitz__ can you stop throwing us in this direction? [02:55] schestowitz__ OK, I've cleaned my RSS feeds [02:55] schestowitz__ I think I can now work on some analytical article about freenode, gonna grab some coffee first [02:55] kingoffrance whats all this data ppl are worried about? freenode has my ip, my username, and a one-time password not used anywhere else [02:55] baronhk[m]1 Well, I was getting somewhere with this. [02:56] kingoffrance sure, like anything else, that could be "coordinated" [02:56] baronhk[m]1 What they're really concerned with is that people will see the Democrats throwing the money at people. [02:56] MinceR 20 034722 < superkuh> Earlier in here it was mentioned that some of the staff of libera signed the RMS letter. Is there a list? A link? [02:56] schestowitz__ kingoffrance: yeah, never bothered me, I never assumed privacy in private IRC networks [02:56] kingoffrance but where is the "data" people are worried about? [02:56] XRevan86 kingoffrance: And your email address? [02:56] kingoffrance if i wanted to be hidden i would :) [02:56] baronhk[m]1 They didn't speak up when it was trillions going to tech companies who already deducted to less than zero tax. [02:56] kingoffrance and ppl shouldnt blindly trust ips anyway [02:56] MinceR you can get a list of staffers with /who freenode/staff/* [02:57] MinceR you might get a more complete list if you're on #freenode when you do it [02:57] MinceR same thing works on libera, with libera instead of freenode [02:57] schestowitz__ [02:57] [Raw] /who freenode/staff/* [02:57] schestowitz__ [02:57] [Error] /who: Unknown command. [02:57] schestowitz__ [02:57] [Who] rasengan is ~rasengan@freenode/staff/rasengan (rasengan) [02:57] MinceR OFTC lists their staff at https://www.oftc.net/staff/ [02:57] schestowitz__ [02:57] [Who] End of /WHO list for freenode/staff/* [02:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.oftc.net | OFTC - Staff [02:57] schestowitz__ only one? [02:57] MinceR and you can find the signatories at https://rms-open-letter.github.io/ [02:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-An open letter to remove Richard M. Stallman from all leadership positions | rms-open-letter.github.io [02:57] schestowitz__ OFTC censors I heard, as does freenode [02:57] MinceR well, maybe the others have left already [02:57] MinceR or deopered [02:57] schestowitz__ probably [02:57] kingoffrance XRevan86, sure, but even if that is more difficult nowadays, not like it is impossible to find some "free" email service [02:58] MinceR hm, so you might not have a list [02:58] schestowitz__ understandable given this climate [02:58] MinceR i can pastebin what i got earlier [02:58] schestowitz__ chance for mischief [02:58] baronhk[m]1 nerdsin.space doesn't censor. They aren't big enough to be on anyone's radar. [02:58] schestowitz__ they can go offline any time.. [02:59] superkuh MinceR, I would appreciate that if it is not too much trouble. [02:59] schestowitz__ like all the instances of fediverse stuff I was on [02:59] schestowitz__ you choose a "Small(er)" space and then it just turns off the lights ● May 20 [03:00] schestowitz__ I got some emails from former admins [03:00] baronhk[m]1 Matrix dot org has become super sketchy about banning people. [03:00] baronhk[m]1 Also rooms. [03:00] kingoffrance irc (freenode included) isnt making you plug in a usb "smart code" yet [03:00] baronhk[m]1 They got MUCH worse after Google agreed to let them back into the Play Store. [03:00] kingoffrance *card [03:00] kingoffrance they only have what you give them [03:01] baronhk[m]1 Google tossed Element out because it said "Formerly Riot IM". [03:01] techrights-bot Does anyone remember Topaz in #gnu #linux h 2019: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/topaz.ogv [03:01] baronhk[m]1 Google said "referencing riots". [03:01] baronhk[m]1 Also, "lack of moderation". [03:01] kingoffrance XRevan86, really i wish someone'd revive that http://invisibleip.sourceforge.net/iip/index.php :) [03:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-invisibleip.sourceforge.net | Invisible IRC Project [03:01] MinceR superkuh: https://hatebin.com/rajthqeuaq [03:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hatebin [03:02] superkuh Thank you. [03:02] MinceR np [03:03] baronhk[m]1 So they have a bunch of SJW mods going in and deleting half their potential users because they don't want them there anyway. [03:03] techrights-bot This list has been reduced to just one person. https://hatebin.com/rajthqeuaq #freenode [03:03] superkuh Yeah, It looks like just nhandler. [03:03] schestowitz__ rasengan: why is tomaw not listed anymore? [03:03] MinceR there's also jose [03:04] superkuh I couldn't find jose on the letter. [03:04] MinceR if you mean the ones signing the anti-RMS letter [03:04] techrights-ipfs Gemini requests since start of month: 97461 total Total pages: 35626 Active: active (running) since Fri 2021-03-26 00:17:05 GMT; 1 months 24 days ago [03:04] techrights-ipfs IPFS local node stats (past 23 hours) calculated. TotalIn: 1.7 GB TotalOut: 513 MB [03:04] techrights-ipfs New daily bulletin just generated. It is about to be added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with CID [03:04] MinceR maybe because of the accent [03:04] MinceR Jos Antonio Rey (Ubuntu Community Council, freenode Staff) [03:04] MinceR number 1540 [03:04] schestowitz__ is there any SUBSTANTIAL allegation against rasengan? I've seen low-quality allusions... [03:05] schestowitz__ https://joseeantonior.wordpress.com/2021/05/19/freenode-changes-owners-jose-resigns-as-staff/ [03:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joseeantonior.wordpress.com | freenode changes owners, jose resigns as staff. | joseeantonior [03:05] schestowitz__ "I recently celebrated my 10-year anniversary of having an account in freenode. I have a lot of fond memories, met a lot of amazing people in that period of time." [03:05] techrights-ipfs QmURPdsG2w9HFAAQw7x6jrfds2W6h2f6J8zQattoNsHp3K [03:05] schestowitz__ "As a result, Mr Lee now has operational control over the freenode IRC network. I cannot stand by such a (hostile?) corporate takeover of the freenode network, and I am resigning as a staff volunteer along with most other freenode staff." [03:06] schestowitz__ Does this allude to adding a logo to the site for his bother's company (Shells) that sent in money? >> "We simply do not feel that the network now remains independent after two heads of staff appear to have been compelled to make changes to our git repo for the website[4]." [03:06] schestowitz__ if it all boils down to objection to adding a logo/plug to the site, then it's a low-quality grievance [03:06] schestowitz__ hardly a major scandal [03:07] schestowitz__ IIRC, someone then tried to lock him out of the domain [03:07] schestowitz__ so he then lawyered up [03:07] schestowitz__ so there were admins using technical means against legal grounds [03:07] schestowitz__ and was this all over a logo? Or more than this? [03:08] schestowitz__ I am writing about this in a moment, so any clarifications from rasengan or others would help [03:08] *XRevan86 wants to know too. [03:08] schestowitz__ Shells does not interest me [03:08] schestowitz__ but it's not malicious [03:08] schestowitz__ the intention is good [03:08] schestowitz__ I think the product sucks, personally... [03:08] schestowitz__ and they got many media plugs, maybe owing to money [03:09] schestowitz__ afaik, Shells uses Free software but it's sort of "software substitute" (saas) [03:09] schestowitz__ bbiab, need coffee and to think about this, but I still don't know some key facts [03:10] XRevan86 schestowitz__: Ye might want to ask around in #libera too, I suspect that they'll be more than happy to share their perspective. [03:11] schestowitz__ maybe I should upgrade the bot to also include gemini URLs for IRC logs [03:11] schestowitz__ XRevan86: I will try [03:12] XRevan86 https://swantzter.se/freenode-resignation/ "Around the time freenode Ltd announced their own head of infrastructure in #freenode, representatives of freenode Ltd messaged me and other staff personally demanding the hand over of access to any and all freenode infra." [03:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-swantzter.se | freenode resignation | Swantzter [03:12] *dragestil (~quassel@fsf/member/dragestil) has joined #techrights [03:13] XRevan86 on how involved the take-over actually is [03:16] schestowitz__ [03:12] hi, I am preparing a long article about the situation, I need clarifications [03:16] schestowitz__ [03:12] what were the changes requested for the freenode site/repo? [03:16] schestowitz__ [03:12] just so you know (i made the same mistake) this is freenode's #libera so the people you're wanting to ask, aren't here [03:16] schestowitz__ [03:12] probably forgot to hit ^X in irssi [03:16] schestowitz__ [03:15] makes sense [03:17] XRevan86 schestowitz__: Not on Freenode of course :) [03:17] *xvx has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [03:17] schestowitz__ yeah [03:17] schestowitz__ well, [03:17] schestowitz__ that's one reason moving off freenode would cause issues [03:17] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 17.08 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 88.18 swarm size (avg): 224.59 [03:17] schestowitz__ so better to reach some sort of amicable settlement, to avoid projects descending into chaos and miscommunication [03:18] XRevan86 schestowitz__: Ye don't have to register (at least yet anyway). [03:18] schestowitz__ ok.. [03:19] schestowitz__ I will let you pass though a draft soon [03:19] schestowitz__ to see if that makes sense [03:19] XRevan86 schestowitz__: I'm not an expert on the situation for sure, albeit I am interested and maybe will know more later. [03:20] schestowitz__ [07:28] https://fuchsnet.ch/privat/fn-resign-letter.txt [03:20] schestowitz__ [07:28] [07:22] reading [03:20] schestowitz__ [07:28] [07:24] OK, so it really is PIA [03:20] schestowitz__ [07:28] [07:24] someone told me this years ago [03:20] schestowitz__ [07:28] [07:24] xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx yes, me. [03:20] schestowitz__ [07:28] [07:25] it does not say if this is a privacy or a censorship issue [03:20] schestowitz__ [07:28] [07:26] I was recently told they were censoring some users because of their Debian derivs being created http://techrights.org/2021/05/08/communication-channels-cancel-mobbed/ [03:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Pro-Software Freedom Advocates and Free/Libre Software Supporters Face Barriers Due to Domination of Communication Channels (Beyond the Media) | Techrights [03:20] schestowitz__ of note [03:20] schestowitz__ 1) some staff are in anti-RMS letter [03:20] XRevan86 schestowitz__: Also check it with superkuh [03:20] schestowitz__ 2) some freenode staff (not anymore) did politically or commercially motivated censorship [03:21] schestowitz__ so such stuff I am less sympathetic towards... [03:21] schestowitz__ *staff [03:21] XRevan86 schestowitz__: Keep in mind that Ariadne is also in that letter. Different people have different motives. [03:21] XRevan86 Even if we both disagree. [03:21] superkuh It looked to me that nhandler was the only one. At least the only one I could find. But maybe I just couldn't ctrl-f right. [03:22] schestowitz__ XRevan86: she wants to be removed from the letter [03:22] schestowitz__ but did not bother asking, becoming more visible [03:23] XRevan86 schestowitz__: Really? That's a change [03:23] schestowitz__ 22 days ago [03:23] schestowitz__ Git stats [03:23] schestowitz__ https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io [03:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io [03:23] schestowitz__ no update in 3+ weeks [03:24] schestowitz__ XRevan86: I think we helped convince her [03:24] MinceR schestowitz__: how do you know she wants to be removed? [03:24] schestowitz__ but it took some effort [03:24] XRevan86 When I was asking her about the letter here she was very annoyed. [03:24] schestowitz__ MinceR: told me several times [03:24] MinceR ic [03:24] schestowitz__ even days ago [03:24] XRevan86 well, that's a nice change [03:24] schestowitz__ it then makes you more visible e.g. https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io/pull/2564 [03:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Revert "add signature" by ehashman Pull Request #2564 rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io GitHub [03:25] MinceR reverting makes you more visible? [03:25] XRevan86 schestowitz__: But my point stands even then, because how can ye cross-reference with the list if the list is untrustworthy? [03:25] XRevan86 MinceR: Yes, it does. [03:25] XRevan86 MinceR: Compare Fedilab and AndStatus. [03:25] MinceR i'd say it's a good kind of visibility [03:25] XRevan86 MinceR: Both don't have a fediverse instance blacklist [03:25] MinceR better than just having signed it, anyway [03:26] XRevan86 MinceR: But one is constantly being attacked and the other isn't. [03:26] XRevan86 MinceR: Guess the difference between them. [03:27] MinceR \_()_/ [03:27] XRevan86 Fedilab added the blacklist and then soon reverted it. [03:27] MinceR ic [03:28] MinceR well, it isn't possible to remove the signature without a commit that does so, if you don't have a time machine, is it? [03:28] schestowitz__ she told me, "i think andrew has good intentions, but who knows" [03:28] schestowitz__ remember: [03:28] schestowitz__ she wrote some of ircd or x [03:28] MinceR charybdis [03:28] XRevan86 MinceR: Correct. [03:30] schestowitz__ " [03:30] schestowitz__ 8. Rather than wait until we speak again, Tomaw turns around and [03:30] schestowitz__ changes up the staff and website. [03:30] schestowitz__ " [03:30] schestowitz__ ah, that explains why tomaw isn't listed as staff now [03:31] XRevan86 There's a road that's paved with good intentions. [03:31] MinceR is it a highway? [03:31] schestowitz__ " [03:31] schestowitz__ Given the millions I have injected into freenode thus far, the fact [03:31] schestowitz__ I own it and the fact that I protected the freenode staff with [03:31] schestowitz__ professional legal work and funding when they needed help and they [03:31] schestowitz__ could still lie and slander like this... says a lot about who they [03:31] schestowitz__ are. It saddens me that christel was forced out, and I wish she'd [03:31] schestowitz__ feel safe returning. I'm frustrated that tomaw's hostile takeover [03:31] schestowitz__ seems likely to succeed, in spite of all. I simply want freenode [03:31] XRevan86 It leads to the Microsoft HQ, IIRC. [03:31] schestowitz__ to keep on being a great IRC network, and to support it financially [03:31] schestowitz__ and legally as I have for a long time now. [03:31] schestowitz__ " [03:31] MinceR :> [03:31] schestowitz__ sounds like cat-herding [03:32] schestowitz__ #MinceRWasRight [03:32] schestowitz__ Humans... can't trust them either [03:32] schestowitz__ let alone corporations [03:33] schestowitz__ I trust very few people with techrights [03:33] schestowitz__ FSF was always submerged from the inside [03:33] schestowitz__ the anti-RMS clique [03:33] schestowitz__ they got rid of it [03:33] XRevan86 > Christel Dahlskjaer, the former head of Freenode's staff who transferred her interest in Freenode Limited to Lee, resigned in March. Dahlskjaer, with the help of Richard RichiH Hartmann, took over Freenode after project originator Rob Levin (lilo) died in a traffic accident in 2006 and Levins brother tried to turn the project into business. She was an employee of PIA at the time of the Free [03:33] XRevan86 node Limited transaction. [03:33] XRevan86 https://theregister.com/2021/05/19/freenode_staff_resigns/ [03:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Freenode IRC staff resign en masse, unhappy about new management The Register [03:33] schestowitz__ I think that writeup from rasengan helps answer some of the questions I raised earlier [03:33] XRevan86 popped up when I looked up her name [03:34] schestowitz__ thanks [03:34] schestowitz__ I've just yet typed a sentence, lots to understand first [03:35] schestowitz__ [11:00] FYI andrew lee has seized operational control of freenode [03:35] schestowitz__ [11:00] xxxxx is leaving [03:35] schestowitz__ [11:09] have more admins of feeenode resigned? I hope some stay onboard, I don't want the network to perish. [03:35] schestowitz__ [11:09] bruh [03:35] schestowitz__ [11:09] the network is already dead [03:35] schestowitz__ [11:09] if you think the people who make freenode great are going to stick around and play in andrew lee's sandbox... i have bad news [03:35] schestowitz__ Gentoo is on the fence [03:35] XRevan86 > "I was a first-hand observer to her departure," Jones wrote. "This is entirely false. She left us with a 14-paragraph e-mail about it, and signed off with us on good terms at the time." [03:36] schestowitz__ I think there is mob mentality here [03:36] schestowitz__ "ritual mob" [03:36] schestowitz__ and it's hardly to respond to at scale [03:36] XRevan86 > It's been suggested that Dahlskjaer, just prior to her departure, supported adding a Shells.com affiliate link to Freenode's website, steering affiliate ad revenue to a company co-founded by Lee, and that other Freenode staffers disagreed with that decision. [03:37] schestowitz__ "It's been suggested that Dahlskjaer, just prior to her departure, supported adding a Shells.com affiliate link to Freenode's website, steering affiliate ad revenue to a company co-founded by Lee, and that other Freenode staffers disagreed with that decision." [03:37] schestowitz__ I see not much wrong with this [03:37] schestowitz__ lol [03:37] schestowitz__ we quoted the same part [03:37] schestowitz__ at the same time, a min apart [03:37] schestowitz__ yes, I noticed that too [03:37] schestowitz__ so seems like inflation and exaggeration [03:37] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [03:37] schestowitz__ so the owner of the network wanted to promote his brother's business [03:37] XRevan86 schestowitz__: rasengan's response to The Register is also interesting. [03:37] schestowitz__ which sort of promotes gnu/linux anyway [03:38] XRevan86 It has bits that he hasn't said in the paste nor here. [03:38] schestowitz__ "Lee however said that claims by some departing staffers about the Shells links are incorrect. "I have had logos for my companies on Freenode since 2013, and the staff was absolutely in approval of it," he said." [03:38] XRevan86 schestowitz__: Conflict of Interest is a thing however. [03:39] schestowitz__ "The departures come at a difficult time for Freenode, one of the few IRC networks to have survived so long. The former Freenode staffer said that while the network managed to thrive over the years as other IRC communities lost users, it's no longer growing because recently chat services like Slack and Discord have hurt Freenode participation." [03:39] schestowitz__ XRevan86: well, I would not describe that as such because: [03:39] schestowitz__ some of the money to keep it going came from the family [03:40] schestowitz__ and if I supported something and asked for some logo to be added because of my donation, I would not call it "Conflict of Interest" [03:40] schestowitz__ He DID in fact give resources to the network [03:40] schestowitz__ long enjoyed by us [03:40] XRevan86 schestowitz__: Open https://freenode.net/ [03:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net | freenode [03:40] schestowitz__ ""Freenode is back in control of Freenode Limited, where it always was," he said. "In the end, what's most important to everyone is the survival of Freenode and the FOSS community and I think since that's where we are all aligned, it will survive."" [03:41] XRevan86 schestowitz__: The Shells logo is as significant as the Freenode's logo. [03:41] schestowitz__ I just did [03:41] schestowitz__ I see the Shells logo [03:41] schestowitz__ I see [03:41] XRevan86 I also didn't understand and they I saw. [03:41] XRevan86 * then [03:41] schestowitz__ https://www.shells.com/l/en-US/?_a=TILzLQ [03:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.shells.com | NO TITLE [03:41] schestowitz__ "Featured on Linux Journal" [03:41] schestowitz__ which PIA owned [03:42] schestowitz__ like bought articles as endorsements [03:42] schestowitz__ but still [03:42] schestowitz__ they're not evil (Shells) [03:42] schestowitz__ so like I said, it's over-inflated, the accusations [03:42] schestowitz__ it's not like he asked freenode users to start paying [03:42] schestowitz__ or sold data (AFAIK) [03:43] schestowitz__ we have better trees to bark up [03:43] schestowitz__ Shells I've mostly ignored [03:43] XRevan86 schestowitz__: One of the thing to ask of the Libera people is what they think about the rasengan's response to The Register, I think it's well-worded. [03:43] schestowitz__ because it smelled like paid-for fluff in 'Linux' sites [03:43] schestowitz__ XRevan86: it is [03:44] schestowitz__ tbh, it's easy to get upset at the richer person [03:44] XRevan86 the part I want to quote is too big, so I don't [03:44] schestowitz__ but it seems like he wants to help Free software [03:44] schestowitz__ even conill told me so [03:44] schestowitz__ but not objects to freenode [03:44] schestowitz__ XRevan86: no need, it's already in a link shared here [03:45] schestowitz__ but anyway, we need to orientate ourselves around what is right and just [03:45] schestowitz__ before writing about it [03:45] schestowitz__ to avoid "mea culpa" later [03:45] XRevan86 > However, immediately after this, my access to the domain account was revoked. As such, I began to request access back to no avail, which some former staffers perceived as me attempting to make a hostile takeover. [03:45] XRevan86 I think this is the good part. [03:45] schestowitz__ doing a copypasta of quotes is easy [03:45] schestowitz__ but learning who is right and wrong, like a court would, takes ages [03:46] schestowitz__ XRevan86: thanks [03:46] schestowitz__ I've mostly sided with Lee from the start based on instincts [03:46] schestowitz__ and it looks like it was mostly correct after reading both sides' arguments [03:46] schestowitz__ were freenode staff paid? [03:47] schestowitz__ if not, then defecting is way too easy morally [03:47] schestowitz__ without risk to the bottom line [03:47] kingoffrance lol [03:47] XRevan86 schestowitz__: They weren't employed at all. [03:47] schestowitz__ I am guessing only the more senior people were compensated [03:47] kingoffrance i think that is probably true but not gonna go over well schestowitz__ [03:47] schestowitz__ (financially) [03:47] XRevan86 schestowitz__: None of them. [03:47] schestowitz__ right, so... [03:47] schestowitz__ for them to make their own network [03:47] schestowitz__ and mass-endorse it [03:48] schestowitz__ would entail no financial harm [03:48] XRevan86 schestowitz__: Partially true. [03:48] schestowitz__ it's convenient, isn't it? [03:48] schestowitz__ Like someone rage-quitting here in IRC and then badmouthing us [03:48] XRevan86 Nothing about starting over is convinient. [03:48] schestowitz__ and then starting some anti-Techrights site [03:49] schestowitz__ like some did before, except they were always against us [03:49] schestowitz__ "boycott-boycottnovell", "techrights watch" etc. [03:49] schestowitz__ XRevan86: well, they felt they lost control [03:49] schestowitz__ that was the least they had [03:49] schestowitz__ if no salary [03:49] XRevan86 schestowitz__: "I've mostly sided with Lee from the start based on instincts" for me it was the opposite, because when there's a mass-exodus of all the people that actually make the thing happen then it's probably for a good reason. [03:50] schestowitz__ not all did [03:50] schestowitz__ some did [03:50] XRevan86 schestowitz__: It's more like if ye had left. [03:50] schestowitz__ later some people joined them [03:50] schestowitz__ because they thought they had gathered momentum [03:50] schestowitz__ it's like a union [03:51] XRevan86 schestowitz__: I'm only looking at the staff of course. [03:51] XRevan86 schestowitz__: It's not opportunist to *resign*. [03:51] schestowitz__ staff as in volunteers [03:51] schestowitz__ so the volunteers no longer wish to vounteer [03:51] schestowitz__ and that's what it's about... [03:51] schestowitz__ XRevan86: I didn't say opportunistic [03:51] XRevan86 schestowitz__: staff as in the people who have been keeping the network operational. [03:52] schestowitz__ yeah, but staff is misnomber [03:52] schestowitz__ *misnomer [03:52] schestowitz__ nobody here is staff [03:52] schestowitz__ we're all people [03:52] XRevan86 schestowitz__: Initially there was no company. Apparently it was created to manage the Freenode Live event. [03:53] XRevan86 but the network somehow existed [03:53] schestowitz__ [11:21] xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx like i said, i think andrew should donate freenode to like [03:53] schestowitz__ [11:21] xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx FSF [03:53] schestowitz__ [11:21] xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx or LF [03:53] schestowitz__ [11:21] xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx or SFC [03:53] schestowitz__ [11:21] I reached out PIA's Rick (PP Founder) when LJ was up in the air [03:53] schestowitz__ [11:21] xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx or something [03:53] schestowitz__ [11:21] he doesn't think too highly of LTM, IIRC [03:53] schestowitz__ [11:22] xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx there are plenty of options [03:53] schestowitz__ [11:22] xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx that are better than ... whatever this is [03:53] schestowitz__ [11:23] I might do a quick video about this, constructively [03:53] MinceR afaik the "staff" term comes from their silly insistence on freenode being "not IRC" [03:53] schestowitz__ [11:23] I am not new to IRC [03:53] schestowitz__ [11:23] I was 13 or 14 [03:53] schestowitz__ [11:26] this whole think reminds me of megaupload, mega, kim dotcom, and the new mega owner, which iirc was from hk [03:53] MinceR most networks just call them "IRC operators" [03:53] schestowitz__ is dalnet still around? [03:53] *schestowitz__ did not check [03:53] MinceR i've heard it's still up [03:54] schestowitz__ that's what she said [03:54] MinceR i left when it was DDoSsed by kiddies and did not know anyone on the network [03:54] MinceR :> [03:54] schestowitz__ dalnet was being vandalised when I first used it [03:54] MinceR also, lol @ the suggestion to trust LF [03:54] schestowitz__ flood-type vandalism [03:54] schestowitz__ with colour [03:54] schestowitz__ MinceR: yes, I know, I thought the same [03:54] MinceR "hey, they're doing such a great job destroying Linux and the Linux brand, let them also destroy freenode!" [03:55] schestowitz__ the person who said that gets support from LF [03:55] schestowitz__ SFC is also laughable [03:55] schestowitz__ why not just shiny shoes for GOogle? [03:55] schestowitz__ *Shine [03:55] XRevan86 FSF was their first suggestion though :) [03:55] XRevan86 GNU Freenode, that's be a sight to see. [03:56] MinceR ah yes, there's even a crybully from SFC on the primary signatories list of the anti-RMS letter [03:56] schestowitz__ how about this for headline (most people just gloss over the rest): Burning Down Freenode is Easy, But at What Cost? [03:56] MinceR meh [03:56] schestowitz__ I hate mobs [03:56] schestowitz__ they just burn things [03:56] schestowitz__ and don't think of the consequences [03:56] rasengan schestowitz__: FYI - https://freenode.net/ [03:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net | freenode [03:56] schestowitz__ things that are not companies [03:56] XRevan86 schestowitz__: mobs made LibreOffice, mobs made X.org, mobs made Nextcloud [03:56] schestowitz__ things like communities and unions [03:57] schestowitz__ no, they forked [03:57] MinceR x.org turned out to be a bad idea [03:57] XRevan86 maybe not Nextcloud [03:57] XRevan86 though no, Nextcloud too, the mob supported the founder [03:57] schestowitz__ owncloud was going for some of the things nextcloud does [03:57] schestowitz__ I think they didn't like the VCs or something like that [03:58] XRevan86 MinceR: If only XFree86 won over [03:58] schestowitz__ x is good enough [03:58] schestowitz__ and apparently the code is also decent [03:58] schestowitz__ wayland lacks lots of staff after endless work by red hat, intel and others [03:58] schestowitz__ *lots of stuff [03:59] schestowitz__ it cannot even x-forward LOL [03:59] schestowitz__ or wayland-forward [03:59] XRevan86 schestowitz__: https://karlitschek.de/2016/06/nextcloud/ [03:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-karlitschek.de | Frank Karlitschek_ Nextcloud [03:59] MinceR trusting X on The Closed Group was already a bad move [03:59] MinceR they've mismanaged the Unix trademark, who thought they'd do any better with X? ● May 20 [04:00] schestowitz__ "As announced 5 weeks ago I left ownCloud, Inc., The company that I co-founded. Not because I abandoned ownCloud or the idea behind it. Actually the opposite. I dont want to go into details but there are a lot of things that could have been better at ownCloud Inc." [04:00] schestowitz__ "We will release a drop in replacement for ownCloud in a few weeks so that users and customers can easily upgrade to Nextcloud to benefit from the new bugfix and security improvements and features. Nextcloud GmbH will provide free support for all current ownCloud customers to simplify a transition." [04:01] XRevan86 http://karlitschek.de/2016/04/big-changes-i-am-leaving-owncloud-inc-today/ [04:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-karlitschek.de | Frank Karlitschek_ big changes: I am leaving ownCloud, Inc. today [04:01] schestowitz__ some other suse people followed him [04:01] schestowitz__ some did not [04:01] schestowitz__ owncloud is still around [04:01] schestowitz__ not sure how they do in relative terms [04:01] schestowitz__ openoffice is feeble, but many still download it [04:01] schestowitz__ with all the flaws baked into it [04:02] schestowitz__ MinceR: what better for headline? [04:02] MinceR dunno [04:02] schestowitz__ remember most people only read headlines [04:02] schestowitz__ this whole panic seems to be out of proportion [04:02] MinceR indeed [04:02] kingoffrance the whole thing reminds me of that schneier article other day "85% of gov infrastructure is private" .....whatever the case, seems like a microcosm [04:03] schestowitz__ I am hardly enraged [04:03] XRevan86 schestowitz__: Yea, only XFree86 fully died. [04:03] schestowitz__ I used it [04:03] schestowitz__ in SUSE iirc [04:03] schestowitz__ 2004 ish [04:04] -rasengan-[Global Notice] Hello freenode! Thank you for your patience and understanding as we get through these tough times together. We wanted to take a moment to post an update - https://freenode.net/news/freenode-is-foss - and thank you for using freenode, the home of FOSS. [04:04] schestowitz__ MinceR: Maybe "The Panic Over Freenode Isn't Justified" [04:04] kingoffrance and yeah corporate hostile takeover, so lets give it to a foundation (another corporation) instead ? [04:04] MinceR hmm [04:04] XRevan86 rasengan just made a global announcement with https://freenode.net/news/freenode-is-foss [04:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net | On freenode and its commitment to FOSS - freenode [04:04] MinceR frankly, i don't know your conclusion so i don't know which headline fits the article better [04:05] kingoffrance im sure they meant "non-profit" but does seem mobbish for now [04:05] schestowitz__ kingoffrance: not exactly [04:05] kingoffrance im just not seeing much nuance right now [04:06] techrights-bot #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [04:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index [04:06] kingoffrance well i second the idea of LF made me lol [04:06] techrights-bot #Techrights Bulletin for Wednesday, May 19, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [04:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives [04:06] schestowitz__ kingoffrance: yes, I agree [04:07] schestowitz__ rasengan: thanks for the post, helps clarify some things [04:07] schestowitz__ OK, I will start writing now [04:07] XRevan86 schestowitz__: There's a link to techrights there. [04:08] rasengan schestowitz__: Thank you for your patience in understanding the matter. [04:09] schestowitz__ it's OK, we try to get stories RIGHT [04:09] schestowitz__ even when the opinion is countercurrent and unpopular [04:10] schestowitz__ am reading through it [04:10] schestowitz__ so it seems like some of the people who rushed to judge RMS, based on distortions, do it again [04:10] schestowitz__ with the peer pressure egging them on [04:11] schestowitz__ social control media made those things worse [04:11] kingoffrance ^ [04:11] schestowitz__ like seeing a sign on the door [04:11] schestowitz__ "OMG RMS IS A MONSTER" [04:11] schestowitz__ later: "Oh.... so that sign was fake... never mind" [04:11] schestowitz__ even ariadne thought it was real [04:12] schestowitz__ bbiab, typing away [04:12] XRevan86 Now I can go sleep in more peace. [04:15] baronhk[m]1 My favorite part of the Hitchhikers Guide series was probably in the second book. [04:15] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 17.95 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 76.98 swarm size (avg): 224.63 [04:17] baronhk[m]1 A judge is convinced by a lawyer that beauty is truth and truth is beautiful, that life itself is in contempt of court for.not being beautiful. Then they killed everyone there to seize life from them. [04:19] kingoffrance baronhk[m]1, http://dict.org/bin/Dict?Form=Dict2&Database=devil&Query=cynic lol [04:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dict.org- cynic [04:20] kingoffrance reminds me of that [04:23] schestowitz__ "Interestingly enough, about half of all resignations were announced in a proprietary software platform of Microsoft:" [04:23] schestowitz__ Is it OK to say that? [04:24] kingoffrance the freenode staff? thats mandatory to say that if so [04:25] MinceR i think it's OK to say that [04:27] schestowitz__ rasengan: for the fact-checking [04:27] schestowitz__ you are US citizen, right? [04:30] schestowitz__ " [04:30] schestowitz__ Here's one example calling Lee "Trumpian wannabe korean royalty bitcoins millionaire." [04:30] schestowitz__ That seems unfair and borderline racist. Americans of East Asian descent people have long suffered from Trumpian politics and calling American people "korean" lends to this idea that people, based on their race/roots alone, can never be "true Americans" [04:30] schestowitz__ " [04:33] rasengan schestowitz__: Yes I am. (Born and raised) [04:34] schestowitz__ That's what I thought, thanks [04:39] schestowitz__ my wife is Asian, so I know that sort of attitude, which she too is subjected to sometimes [04:39] superkuh Yes. When people do bad things people call them bad names. It's not helpful. [04:39] schestowitz__ it's easier when there is salient racial aspect [04:39] schestowitz__ "dirty Indians" [04:39] schestowitz__ "bringing us COVID variants" [04:56] schestowitz__ almost done now [04:56] schestowitz__ does anyone want to proof-read? [04:57] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [04:58] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) ● May 20 [05:00] schestowitz__ sunmary: The Freenode controversy has lead to what we consider disproportionate response, which likely necessitated further mediation for an amicable resolution; please do not participate in the anti-Freenode (warped into anti-Lee) rally as it harms Free software more than it helps it [05:01] schestowitz__ amended to "The Freenode controversy has resulted in what we consider to be disproportionate response, which likely necessitated further mediation for an amicable resolution; please do not participate in the anti-Freenode (warped into anti-Lee) rally as it harms Free software more than it helps it" [05:01] MinceR necessitated or necessitates? [05:02] superkuh I don't understand your distortion of this and bending over backwards. [05:02] MinceR is there already an amicable resolution? [05:02] superkuh It seems like you're going out of your way to talk about the fringe idiots instead of the core issues. [05:04] schestowitz__ necessitated [05:05] schestowitz__ because it's irreversible for the staff [05:05] schestowitz__ superkuh: no, I mention the issue [05:05] schestowitz__ seems to be the logo [05:05] schestowitz__ superkuh: do you want to check the draft? [05:05] schestowitz__ tell me if I'm missing something [05:06] MinceR i thought domain ownership was more of an issue [05:06] superkuh Sure. [05:08] schestowitz__ http://techrights.org/2021/05/19/freenode-and-cancel-culture/ [05:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Panic Over Freenode Isnt Justified and Its Reaction Mostly Disproportionate | Techrights [05:09] schestowitz__ I'm sure you will find and can report typos along the way [05:11] superkuh The problem is not the logo on the site though you may call it the catalyst. The problem is asserting control of any kind over the servers. [05:12] schestowitz__ to add logos? [05:13] *irfus has quit (Quit: Wut.) [05:13] superkuh Or maybe when he interfered with the blog post about the staff deciding on a new leader? [05:14] schestowitz__ any link for context? [05:14] superkuh https://gist.github.com/aaronmdjones/1a9a93ded5b7d162c3f58bdd66b8f491 [05:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gist.github.com | My resignation from freenode GitHub [05:15] superkuh I personally had a problem with him pushing handshake on freenode as it seemed like a massive conflict of interest for an owner. [05:15] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 20.83 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 66.68 swarm size (avg): 224.68 [05:15] superkuh And many others expressed the same at that time. [05:15] schestowitz__ " [05:15] schestowitz__ Andrew should have no right to be concerned about who we put in charge, [05:15] schestowitz__ as it was promised that he would be hands-off and let us continue to run [05:15] schestowitz__ the network as we always have. [05:15] schestowitz__ " [05:15] schestowitz__ operational and management are not the same [05:15] schestowitz__ operationally independent [05:16] superkuh Riiight. More legal weasel. [05:16] schestowitz__ maybe [05:17] superkuh I think you could read through that fully cited document full of incidents of interference and compare it to rasengan's releases without anything backing him up. [05:17] superkuh Not even a second person. [05:18] superkuh When this came out on the 16th I was on his side. [05:18] superkuh I thought he would just clear things up, bring in other voices that confirmed his statements, etc. [05:18] superkuh You can look in the logs in joepie's log link post. [05:18] superkuh I asked him to do so. He hasn't still. [05:19] superkuh https://paste.sr.ht/~ircwright/7e751d2162e4eb27cba25f6f8893c1f38930f7c4 ctrl-f 'superkuh' [05:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-crown-prince-getting-owned.txt paste.sr.ht [05:20] superkuh And yes, it has an unfortunate (though legally accurate) label. [05:20] dragestil From the new techrights post [05:20] dragestil > But it seems like pretty much the whole catastrophe right now boils down to that. In the same way that cancel RMS in 2019 was about some tactless E-mails (seen as insensitive towards victims) and in 2021 cancel RMS was all about the man coming back to the FSFs Board (anger superficially boosted and artificially floated by the set of new claims, shifting to a whole different set of poor-quality accusations). [05:20] dragestil I don't see how this event can be interpreted as cancelling [05:20] superkuh I see no relation to the cancel RMS thing except they used github. [05:21] superkuh This wasn't a misinterpreted statement. [05:21] superkuh On the other side, that he hasn't kicked me or others off the network says a lot for his restraint. [05:24] superkuh I don't want freenode to split. The anxiety I am having over this is making me physically sick to my stomach. I really wish there were a possible reconciliation. But that can't happen if we just ignore what happened and is well documented. [05:24] dragestil the new techrights post attacks the anti-lee side with a lot of guilt by association [05:25] dragestil "posted on github", "someone who signed rms hate letter said this", "the same publication that attacked rms" [05:26] baronhk[m]1 Mom apparently works with some. [05:26] baronhk[m]1 She asked if anyone wanted some Chinese take out and one of them (in her early 20s) asked "Aren't they the ones making the virus?". [05:27] MinceR 20 062045 < superkuh> I see no relation to the cancel RMS thing except they used github. [05:27] MinceR an ircop who resigned over this also signed that one [05:27] baronhk[m]1 Between that one and the 19 year old who can't figure out that you go to the Social Security office to replace your Social Security Card, I think it's fair to say....doomed. [05:27] baronhk[m]1 MinceR: ^ [05:27] superkuh Of the list you provided only nhandler seemed to be on it. But again, I may have not been as thorough. [05:28] baronhk[m]1 They all figure out one thing though. How to get pregnant over and over again. [05:28] baronhk[m]1 In my experience, the least productive are often the most reproductive. [05:28] MinceR as i've said before, Jos Antonio Rey is also on it [05:28] baronhk[m]1 So again.....DOOMED. [05:28] MinceR baronhk[m]1: "Oh my god. What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?! (pause) Oh, right, that would be me. Back to work." [05:28] baronhk[m]1 The only reason welfare doesn't cost us a lot more is because half of them aren't smart or motivated enough to even ask for the program. [05:29] baronhk[m]1 Liberals are fucking retarded for creating these programs. [05:29] baronhk[m]1 They enable two things to happen. [05:30] kingoffrance funny part is sweden is still a monarchy, but no executive powers "purely ceremonial" [05:30] baronhk[m]1 The slums of places like Chicago to flourish with generations of poverty and violence, and rural hillbillies to keep reproducing with people who won't fill out a job application or will end up cooking meth and going to prison. [05:31] baronhk[m]1 "Buddy, you ain't the King of but two things. Jack and Shit, and Jack left town." [05:31] MinceR :> [05:32] baronhk[m]1 Welfare was well intentioned, but it fuels crime, poverty, and violence. [05:32] baronhk[m]1 A culture of helplessness. [05:32] schestowitz__ [05:26] She asked if anyone wanted some Chinese take out and one of them (in her early 20s) asked "Aren't they the ones making the virus?". [05:32] schestowitz__ Casualracism(TM) [05:33] schestowitz__ superkuh: thanks for the replies/citations [05:33] schestowitz__ I will revisit this later, it's a very big deal for the community [05:33] baronhk[m]1 MinceR: All of the people in those churches in Indiana are on the dole somehow. [05:33] baronhk[m]1 But to see a true hive, you have to go to South Chicago or at least the area. [05:34] baronhk[m]1 That's what happens when you remove the personal financial responsibility of having children you can't afford. [05:35] baronhk[m]1 People have lots of them because they know the government gives them free shit because they're the parent. So now they get SNAP and cash and free internet and low income housing and cell phones and Medicaid, because the government goes "Oh well, you don't know who any of the fathers are. We'll just tax all of these other people and you can be a welfare queen.". [05:35] baronhk[m]1 This was how bad it was before Biden's emergency Coronavirus nonsense. [05:35] superkuh " spinningCat: Part of it seems to be that Freenode made plans to move to another IRCd, but the corporate owners had invested a huge amount of money in their own IRCd. The earliest major action is corporate demanding they take down that announcement" [05:36] schestowitz__ I've made notes of superkuh's stuff [05:36] superkuh If you want a summary instead of the detailed story with citations above. [05:36] baronhk[m]1 If they couldn't mooch off the state in exchange for having 4-5 useless kids, they'd knock it off and maybe invest in some condoms. [05:36] techrights-bot The Panic Over #Freenode Isnt Justified and Its Reaction Mostly Disproportionate http://techrights.org/2021/05/19/freenode-and-cancel-culture/ #irc #freesw #sharing #shells [05:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Panic Over Freenode Isnt Justified and Its Reaction Mostly Disproportionate | Techrights [05:38] *dragestil (~quassel@fsf/member/dragestil) has left #techrights ("https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.") [05:39] techrights-bot "7 of the 8 richest people in America are now fierce nerds." #billgates is not a nerd but a person who exploited nerds and then attacked them. Businessman who studied law and then broke the law (never even graduated) http://paulgraham.com/fn.html [05:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paulgraham.com | Fierce Nerds [05:39] GNUmoon baronhk[m]: "People have lots of them because they know the government gives them free shit because they're the parent." How is this related to Techrights? [05:40] baronhk[m]1 Roy probably wondered where the anti-Asian crap is coming from. [05:40] baronhk[m]1 I guarantee you it's from maladjusted people who were on the wrong side of the tracks growing up. [05:41] schestowitz__ GNUmoon: not related to it [05:41] schestowitz__ not my choice of topic, either [05:42] kingoffrance " In the past century we've seen a continuous transfer of power from dealmakers to technicians from the charismatic to the competent" [05:42] kingoffrance citation needed [05:43] baronhk[m]1 I can't imagine anyone whose parents bothered trying to educate and instill any sense of morality into could grow up and even make a statement like aren't the people running the Chinese restaurant giving people COVID. [05:45] GNUmoon schestowitz: no worries, I'm sure you didn't pick it :) [05:45] baronhk[m]1 There's a lot of it out there. Facebook's model is to attract people who respond to this stuff and then promote it to drive advertising. [05:45] baronhk[m]1 Then they say we delete lots of accounts and yada yada. [05:45] baronhk[m]1 The devil speaks with a forked tongue. [05:46] baronhk[m]1 In the 90s there were definitely people like this hanging out on forums, but they were not organized. They weren't promoted like this. Few took them seriously. [05:47] baronhk[m]1 If COVID happened in the 90s, everyone would have gone to get the vaccine. There wouldn't be all of these attacks on Asians. [05:47] baronhk[m]1 What's ultimately wrong is a lot of things. Better people have died and been replaced by worse people. [05:48] schestowitz__ kingoffrance: century maybe [05:48] schestowitz__ not decade [05:48] baronhk[m]1 I mean an educated generation who built things and cared about each other was replaced by narcissistic illiterates. [05:49] MinceR idiocracy :> [05:49] baronhk[m]1 There's a group of slackers and morons now who have formed a student group demanding to be passed through Chicago high schools due to the "trauma" from COVID affecting their grades. [05:49] baronhk[m]1 Nice one. [05:50] baronhk[m]1 Half of the schooling I had was a state recognized home schooling program, before most people even had a computer. My grades improved. [05:51] baronhk[m]1 MinceR Still trying to figure out how it's possible to be traumatized by staying at home in pajamas. [05:52] MinceR there are some ways :> [05:52] baronhk[m]1 Stallman pretty much covered it. If you leave the 24/7 panic channels off you can avoid this. [05:53] baronhk[m]1 I wonder what Stallman would say about Grindr. Probably that it's proprietary and collects data about its users. [05:53] baronhk[m]1 But in the timeline where I paid attention to that, I wouldn't have met Mandy. [05:53] baronhk[m]1 I know that's atypical. Even meeting a halfway decent person there.... [05:54] baronhk[m]1 I caught it relaying data to Facebook. [05:55] baronhk[m]1 It tells Facebook your HIV status if you list it. If it's negative you start getting PrEP ads and ads for lawyers suing Gilead for making PrEP. [05:55] baronhk[m]1 Yes, take it and then sue! [05:55] baronhk[m]1 There's lots of people who are entirely too open about things like this. [05:56] baronhk[m]1 Would you want Facebook to know your HIV status? How does that affect lending terms and employment opportunities? Oh, we all know banks and employers never peek at data they can't legally use and then make a decision with it. [05:58] baronhk[m]1 There's many interactions with apps and Facebook, and Google is basically allowing all of it. I saw someone post Facebook's in app response to Apple's new privacy setup. They threaten that it may not be free anymore if people start rejecting being used this way. ● May 20 [06:09] kingoffrance https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/imf-suggests-that-your-credit-score-could-be-based-on-your-internet-history/ [06:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.privateinternetaccess.com | IMF suggests that your credit score could be based on your internet history [06:09] kingoffrance im sure if it comes to that it will all be legalized [06:09] baronhk[m]1 I notice our credit scores go up or down and they won't say why. [06:09] baronhk[m]1 Monthly even. [06:10] MinceR maybe they'll rename it to Social Credit Score. [06:10] kingoffrance originally it more or less was marketed that way, century ago :) [06:11] kingoffrance "so this is utopia" h.g. wells sitting homeless on park bench after teleporting forward a few decades [06:11] kingoffrance dumb movie lol [06:12] kingoffrance i think its raining too lol [06:12] kingoffrance jack the ripper tells him no no, im the future lol [06:14] schestowitz__ so many people still get their 'facts' from their so-called 'friends' in Facebook [06:14] schestowitz__ what can go wrong? [06:15] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 37.66 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 37.86 swarm size (avg): 224.71 [06:25] techrights-bot The EPOs War on #Justice and Assault on the #Law Part 14: Nemo Iudex in Causa Sua? http://techrights.org/2021/05/20/nemo-iudex-in-causa-sua/ #epo #corruption [06:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPOs War on Justice and Assault on the Law Part 14: Nemo Iudex in Causa Sua? | Techrights [06:31] *inky (~inky@141.136.77.22) has joined #techrights [06:39] *kupi has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) [06:44] techrights-bot #EPO #Corruption Impacts Everybody, Even Those Uncaring About #Patents and Those Outside #Europe http://techrights.org/2021/05/20/the-cost-of-epo-corruption/ #swpats [06:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Corruption Impacts Everybody, Even Those Uncaring About Patents and Those Outside Europe | Techrights [06:58] techrights-bot Today in #Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151381 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [06:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines ● May 20 [07:00] techrights-bot The #Freenode controversy has resulted in what we consider to be disproportionate response, which likely necessitates further mediation for an amicable resolution; please do not participate in the anti-Freenode (warped into anti-Lee) rally as it harms #Freesoftware more than it helps it http://techrights.org/2021/05/19/freenode-and-cancel-culture/ [07:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Panic Over Freenode Isnt Justified and Its Reaction Mostly Disproportionate | Techrights [07:15] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 20.56 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 69.91 swarm size (avg): 224.75 [07:48] *wineroots (f24d257755@gateway/shell/disroot.org/x-odjpbvxgjrfxwiuo) has joined #techrights [07:57] DVulgaris The onion gets it right every time [07:57] DVulgaris https://www.theonion.com/israel-returns-occupied-territories-to-palestinians-aft-1846910259 [07:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theonion.com | Israel Returns Occupied Territories To Palestinians After Running Out Of Targets To Hit In Gaza [07:57] DVulgaris The situation here is getting worse year after year ● May 20 [08:00] psydroid I just read this and it looks entirely reasonable to me https://freenode.net/news/freenode-is-foss [08:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net | On freenode and its commitment to FOSS - 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On that domain, he wrote a post titled Lets [sic] take IRC further. Based on this post, we can gather a few details about Andrews childhood: he grew up as a marginalized person, and as a result of that marginalization, he was bullied. IRC was his outlet, a space for him that was actually safe for him to express himself. Because of that, he was able to learn about [11:43] schestowitz__ technology and free software." [11:44] schestowitz__ rasengan: is that a fair assessment (sorry if too personal)? [11:44] schestowitz__ I mean the paragraph above alone? [11:44] schestowitz__ not the post as a whole [11:56] techrights-bot NEWS #RaspberryPi #RasPi #GNU #Linux Make a Raspberry Pi Pico-based Midi Fighter | HackSpace 43 https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/make-a-raspberry-pi-pico-based-midi-fighter-hackspace-43/ [11:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.raspberrypi.org | Make a Raspberry Pi Pico-based Midi Fighter | HackSpace 43 - Raspberry Pi [11:56] techrights-bot NEWS #RaspberryPi #RasPi #GNU #Linux Raspberry Pi transforms old Wurlitzer into modern digital jukebox https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-transforms-old-wurlitzer-into-modern-digital-jukebox/ [11:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.raspberrypi.org | Raspberry Pi transforms old Wurlitzer into modern digital jukebox - Raspberry Pi [11:57] *xvx has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) ● May 20 [12:14] techrights-bot 6 Best #FreeSW Digital Audio Workstations http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151384 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [12:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 6 Best Free and Open Source Digital Audio Workstations | Tux Machines [12:14] techrights-bot 5 Best #EPUB Readers For Linux: #freesw & Lightweight Reading http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151383 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [12:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 5 Best EPUB Readers For Linux: Open Source & Lightweight Reading | Tux Machines [12:16] techrights-bot NEWS #EFF Coalition Launches Dark Patterns Tip Line to Expose Deceptive Technology Design https://www.eff.org/press/releases/coalition-launches-dark-patterns-tip-line-expose-deceptive-technology-design [12:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Coalition Launches Dark Patterns Tip Line to Expose Deceptive Technology Design | Electronic Frontier Foundation [12:17] techrights-bot NEWS #EFF Help Bring Dark Patterns To Light https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/05/help-bring-dark-patterns-light [12:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Help Bring Dark Patterns To Light | Electronic Frontier Foundation [12:19] *DVulgaris has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [12:25] techrights-bot NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights #EU Parliament Votes For New Legislation to Remove Pirated Sports Streams in Real-Time https://torrentfreak.com/eu-parliament-votes-for-new-legislation-to-remove-pirated-sports-streams-in-real-time-210519/ [12:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-EU Parliament Votes For New Legislation to Remove Pirated Sports Streams in Real-Time * TorrentFreak [12:25] techrights-bot NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights New .MUSIC Top-Level Domain Will Be Piracy Hostile, Despite Early Fears https://torrentfreak.com/new-music-top-level-domain-will-be-piracy-hostile-despite-early-fears-210519/ [12:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-New .MUSIC Top-Level Domain Will Be Piracy Hostile, Despite Early Fears * TorrentFreak [12:33] *DVulgaris (~quassel@185.108.81.14) has joined #techrights [12:39] techrights-bot #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151385 #Linux #TuxMachines [12:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [12:42] techrights-bot "I get sev1 emails and alerts on a weekly and almost daily basis. 5x per day. Its like someone turned on verbose mode. Does AWS have this many issues? No wonder no one uses #ibm cloud. If I was a customer and I saw all these... Id jump to AWS or GCP" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1aW71VrT#replies [12:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | IBM Clouds biggest region hit by five-hour Severity One brownout - post regarding IBM layoffs [12:47] techrights-bot NEWS #TheNation Were Suing Google. Heres Why. https://www.thenation.com/article/society/google-lawsuit-monopoly-antitrust/ [12:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | Were Suing Google. Heres Why. | The Nation [12:54] *ubuntourist has quit (Quit: Leaving) [12:54] techrights-bot #Google funded Mozilla, Google Ask #Mauritius Gov't To Abandon Its Plan To Intercept, Decrypt All Social Media Traffic Originating In The Country https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210513/13131446797/mozilla-google-ask-mauritius-govt-to-abandon-plan-to-intercept-decrypt-all-social-media-traffic-originating-country.shtml but Mozilla and Google will still jointly spy on people for the US Government [12:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mozilla, Google Ask Mauritius Gov't To Abandon Its Plan To Intercept, Decrypt All Social Media Traffic Originating In The Country | Techdirt [12:54] *ubuntourist (~kjcole@unaffiliated/kjcole) has joined #techrights ● May 20 [13:12] techrights-bot There's a Staff Exodus at Freenode, But It's Not a Users Exodus (No Compelling Practical Reasons to Leave) http://techrights.org/2021/05/20/freenode-users/ #Freenode #IRC #internet #freesw #privacy [13:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Theres a Staff Exodus at Freenode, But Its Not a Users Exodus (No Compelling Practical Reasons to Leave) | Techrights [13:15] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 20.86 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 76.90 swarm size (avg): 224.90 [13:27] *sepsinn (~sepsinn@c-69-137-151-151.hsd1.md.comcast.net) has joined #techrights [13:27] techrights-bot #IRC remains relevant to many of us who need a reliable, free, and Free software-based network for communications based upon (or built atop) protocols that a lot of clients support http://techrights.org/2021/05/20/freenode-users/ #freenode [13:37] *sepsinn has quit (Quit: leaving) [13:43] *sepsinn (~sepsinn@c-69-137-151-151.hsd1.md.comcast.net) has joined #techrights [13:48] *CrystalMath (~coderain@reactos/developer/theflash) has joined #techrights [13:48] schestowitz__ CrystalMath: what's the situation [13:48] schestowitz__ from what I can see, curl and others just monitor things [13:49] schestowitz__ but not many projects truly moved, or at all [13:51] *trttl (trttl@xshellz/staff/trttl) has joined #techrights [13:53] *sepsinn has quit (Quit: leaving) [13:53] techrights-bot MSIE dead https://www.pcworld.com/article/3619087/rip-internet-explorer-microsoft-will-discontinue-support-in-2022.html Windows still rotting away too: http://techrights.org/2021/05/03/statcounter-may-2021/ [13:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-RIP Internet Explorer: Microsoft will discontinue support in 2022 | PCWorld [13:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | StatCounter: In May 2021 Windows Market Share Falls Sharply to Just 28%, Whereas GNU/Linux Climbs to 2.31% in Desktops/Laptops | Techrights [13:53] *sepsinn (~sepsinn@2601:140:887f:bad0::ff0c) has joined #techrights [13:57] psydroid the deployment model for Windows is now that of non-LTS Ubuntu or Fedora [13:58] psydroid for something that is supposed to be "business a critical" this is simply laughable [13:58] psydroid especially when even a fully-patched install can be owned by a zero day anyway [13:59] CrystalMath schestowitz__: day 2 and ReactOS couldn't care less about libera ● May 20 [14:00] *DiffieHellman has quit (Write error: Connection reset by peer) [14:00] *GNUmoon has quit (Write error: Connection reset by peer) [14:00] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [14:00] *DiffieHellman (~Username@gateway/tor-sasl/diffiehellman) has joined #techrights [14:02] schestowitz__ CrystalMath: it's also a risk [14:02] schestowitz__ they could do a walkout there like they did freenode [14:03] schestowitz__ and then you have to move everyone again, rewrite scripts etc. [14:03] schestowitz__ rasengan is in contact with tomaw [14:03] schestowitz__ I hope they sort something out asap [14:03] schestowitz__ the community needs stability and calm [14:05] psydroid *business-critical [14:05] psydroid ReactOS are on their own Mattermost [14:09] schestowitz__ good [14:10] schestowitz__ afaik, it uses matrix [14:10] schestowitz__ and thus can maybe bridge across to freenode as well? [14:10] schestowitz__ I never saw Mattermost firsthand [14:10] schestowitz__ we experimented with it at work [14:11] psydroid We use(d) it at university [14:11] psydroid Yes, it can bridge to IRC and Matrix [14:12] psydroid that's what the #reactos channel does [14:12] schestowitz__ good, I like compatible protocols [14:12] schestowitz__ gnu social and fediverse are not compatible with disapora [14:12] schestowitz__ activitypub and all [14:12] schestowitz__ pump.io I think works ok with fediverse but is hardly used [14:13] schestowitz__ kaniini told me pleroma was based partly on statusnet [14:13] schestowitz__ close to gnu social [14:13] schestowitz__ and was fediverse/activitypub compatible, for obvious reasons [14:13] schestowitz__ I am sour about fediverse and never came back since December because sites keep shutting down [14:14] schestowitz__ too erratic [14:14] psydroid I don't want to rely on other people's servers for this very reason [14:15] baronhk[m]1 MSIE won't die for quite a while. [14:15] baronhk[m]1 If you wanted to, you could just write an IE shell around Trident and at that point it's an application using the platform. [14:16] baronhk[m]1 IE is hundreds of MB but Internet Explorer the shell is just a few. [14:17] baronhk[m]1 Even if it appears to go away, Microsoft has removed less than 1% of IE from the computer. [14:17] baronhk[m]1 They would only be removing the part you can see, which you've been allowed to do since Windows 7. [14:19] baronhk[m]1 https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/recode/22441627/bill-gates-scandal-divorce-epstein [14:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bill Gates will never be the same after scandal and his divorce from Melinda French Gates - Vox [14:21] baronhk[m]1 A vicious sex predator who palled around with Jeff Epstein. The mainstream media took 10 years to report on any of it while it was very quick to Cancel Stallman because of one sentence in a blog that almost nobody has ever read. [14:21] psydroid I installed the latest Windows release yesterday for the sole purpose of being able to take exams, but this time Pro in the hope that some update won't break something again or I can at least postpone it [14:22] baronhk[m]1 mjg59 still hasn't started Cancel Bill Gates on GitHub. [14:22] baronhk[m]1 Maybe instead of sabotaging the Free Software side of the fence he can help drain the swamp of perverts at Microsoft. [14:23] baronhk[m]1 There's way more where Gates came from and some still show up for work every day. [14:24] psydroid I give Windows about a decade until it's dead and buried or cremated [14:25] baronhk[m]1 mjg59 was badmouthing an Android app that loads artwork that's not even obscene or questionable, yet they find hard drives and bankers boxes of VHS tapes and DVDs of actual child abuse going on spanning decades in the homes of people he refuses to speak of. [14:25] baronhk[m]1 What's wrong with this picture? [14:25] trttl so his philanthropic image that he's been building in the past 20 years goes out the window(s)(r)? very sad [14:26] baronhk[m]1 They enabled it by taking his bribe money to not report on how the Gates Foundation really operated. [14:28] baronhk[m]1 It did not achieve any actual results that could be called charitable. People are less educated and less healthy today than ever, but the Foundation promoted Microsoft products and funded unethical medical experiments mostly on the Global South where nobody sues and nobody cares what happens. [14:28] psydroid If anything it shows what is wrong with the world to let these perverts roam freely among us for such a long time and even enabling them [14:28] baronhk[m]1 In the mean time, Bill doubled his money. [14:28] baronhk[m]1 The police only ever bust nobodies for child abuse. [14:29] baronhk[m]1 Rich people do pretty much anything they want and even after they are exposed there's no consequences. [14:30] trttl there are sometimes but they usually have the means to keep things private and avoid being exposed [14:30] baronhk[m]1 Even if Gates was ever convicted of anything, the stain of a conviction matters to a guy who can't even get a job now and has no money, but it means nothing to someone who has $100 billion from back when nobody reported or investigated. It's an embarrassment at worst. [14:31] schestowitz__ we gotr some major news [14:31] baronhk[m]1 His wife leaving is humiliating enough. Most of these people are raving psychopaths who were married for show anyway, which is why divorce is so rare. [14:31] schestowitz__ we managed to change a very important EPO case, it seems... [14:32] baronhk[m]1 He was cheating. She used him for status. None of it matters to her as long as she can get places because of the marriage. [14:32] schestowitz__ The easiest solution seems to be to continue with the publication of the series as written (with a note to alert readers about the latest development). [14:32] baronhk[m]1 He's gone from asset to liability. [14:32] schestowitz__ A short "post scriptum" update can be provided to explain the implications of the interlocutory decision of 17 May. [14:32] schestowitz__ true [14:33] baronhk[m]1 If it wasn't for the marriage, Melinda French would have been a Microsoft footnote that was asked to leave the company after Bob. [14:34] baronhk[m]1 Not a divorced billionaire that people feel sorry for because she "only became aware" of Bill's actions recently. [14:35] baronhk[m]1 That's how you move on after you're exposed. Play the victim. "I was appalled to find out about this recently and I moved as quickly as I could to leave him.". [14:36] baronhk[m]1 Anyway, the vestiges of Internet Explorer will live on indefinitely, but it will look like it was removed. [14:37] baronhk[m]1 Nobody will notice because they have plenty of space for crap like this to linger forever. [14:38] baronhk[m]1 Rest assured that it will keep causing security issues as part of the platform and you simply won't know about most of them. If you look closely you will continue to see new versions of its constituent dll files in the Windows 10 updates. [14:39] baronhk[m]1 "Microsoft is promising to support this IE mode in Edge until through at least 2029." [14:39] baronhk[m]1 Meaning it has another 8 years left, by which time it's not even clear that there will be a Windows. [14:40] baronhk[m]1 They made it official that they killed Windows 10 X yesterday. [14:41] baronhk[m]1 They've encouraged bad design choices around IE and by the time the dlls go away some corporations will still be complaining about removal of a DOM implementation that's over thirty years old. [14:42] baronhk[m]1 The default for Local Intranet Zone is IE 5 Mode. [14:42] baronhk[m]1 And that doesn't change in IE Mode for Edge. [14:43] baronhk[m]1 What does change is that the IE components run behind a bigger blast door using a virtual machine walled off from the rest of the system and the graphics are remotely displayed into Edge. This is just bad design. [14:44] baronhk[m]1 It doesn't actually move forward because the only way you do that with these companies is to take out the cattle prod. [14:44] baronhk[m]1 Walmart's intranet still has pages that only work in IE. [14:46] baronhk[m]1 I went to put down myself as beneficiary for my spouse's retirement and stuff because he opened the page for that....It wanted to load an ActiveX control which didn't do anything even in Edge. [14:46] baronhk[m]1 IE Mode doesn't work on Edge unless you have an Enterprise SKU of Windows. [14:52] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #techrights [14:52] baronhk[m]1 Microsoft's actions show a company whose flagship product is in its death rattles. [14:52] baronhk[m]1 They try to keep pitching their new stuff, but all they can really do is slow down the customers from leaving them. [14:54] baronhk[m]1 The markets that have shown less deterioration with Windows are the ones they've never been able to extract a lot of money from. [14:54] *koo6 has quit (Quit: Leaving) [14:55] baronhk[m]1 There's still a churn of spam involving their Linux products. [14:56] *koo6 (~koo6@89-24-13-235.customers.tmcz.cz) has joined #techrights [14:57] baronhk[m]1 schestowitz__: "Microsoft Defender for Linux endpoint detection" able to "detect over 30 insecure configurations". Yet, oddly, they recently were unable to "secure endpoints" in the SolarWinds debacle and the Colonial Pipeline disaster and the NHS of Ireland. [14:57] schestowitz__ says SJVN? [14:57] schestowitz__ zdNYET? [14:57] baronhk[m]1 They can't secure their own platform, yet they'd expanding into ones that have traditionally not been likely to be misconfigured. [14:57] schestowitz__ yeah, I ignore that [14:58] schestowitz__ Microsoft realises Windows-only won't sell anymore [14:58] schestowitz__ someone inside Microsoft told me [14:58] baronhk[m]1 Yes, it has rich end user experiences and luxurious Corinthian leather. [14:58] schestowitz__ baronhk[m]1: can you check english with me? [14:58] schestowitz__ I have a big story coming out [14:58] baronhk[m]1 yeah [14:58] schestowitz__ http://techrights.org/2021/05/20/calle-josefsson-deposed/ [14:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Breaking EPO News Regarding G 1/21: Judge Calle Josefsson Deposed as Chairman | Techrights ● May 20 [15:06] baronhk[m]1 Looks okay. [15:09] baronhk[m]1 https://www.reddit.com/r/windows/comments/mefy6p/is_windows_dying/ [15:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Is Windows dying? : windows [15:09] baronhk[m]1 If Microsoft started charging an annual fee to use Windows, the trickle of customers leaving would become a flood. [15:10] baronhk[m]1 LibreOffice has become so common that you even see it on library computers these days. [15:10] schestowitz__ baronhk[m]1: thanks! [15:11] schestowitz__ baronhk[m]1: sometimes google things [15:11] schestowitz__ either way, gone are the post-wordperfect days [15:11] schestowitz__ microsoft doesn't have over 90% of that market anymore [15:11] schestowitz__ many people also fill forms in browsers [15:11] schestowitz__ not printing or editing documents [15:11] baronhk[m]1 Their latest stuff finally implements the ISO version of OOXML, btw. [15:11] baronhk[m]1 And only a decade and a half later. [15:12] baronhk[m]1 They needed time to transition to their own standard, I suppose. :) [15:12] baronhk[m]1 And charge upgrade fees along the way. [15:12] techrights-bot Breaking #EPO News Regarding G 1/21: Judge #CalleJosefsson Deposed as Chairman http://techrights.org/2021/05/20/calle-josefsson-deposed/ #europe #patent #corruption [15:12] schestowitz__ did you check? [15:13] schestowitz__ or is that what they SAID? [15:13] schestowitz__ They never even followed ECMA [15:13] baronhk[m]1 LibreOffice 7 saves to the ISO format because the release notes say that Office 2019 and 365 use that. [15:13] baronhk[m]1 ISO Strict that is. [15:14] baronhk[m]1 Technically MS Office has used OOXML Transitional since 2007. [15:15] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 24.26 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 40.05 swarm size (avg): 224.96 [15:15] techrights-bot There's a conflict in the #freesw world between optimism and pessimism, I've found. Having spoken to longtime activists. On the one hand, free software is everywhere (libre I mean), but at the same time it's under IMMENSE attacks. For me, the way I see it, those attacks are signs of desperation from losing monopolies. THEY WILL NEVER ADMIT THIS OPENLY! [15:22] *koo6 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [15:32] XRevan86 > posted on github [15:32] XRevan86 schestowitz__: rasengan posted on github [15:33] techrights-bot [Meme] The EPO's Very Special Dept. of Justice http://techrights.org/2021/05/20/meme-the-epos-very-special-dept-of-justice/ #epo #europe #patents #corruption #de [15:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] The EPOs Very Special Dept. of Justice | Techrights [15:33] schestowitz__ XRevan86: link? [15:34] schestowitz__ maybe we need a nitter for github [15:34] schestowitz__ to avoid linking to Microsoft spyware [15:34] XRevan86 schestowitz__: https://gist.github.com/realrasengan/88549ec34ee32d01629354e4075d2d48 still this one [15:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gist.github.com | Letter to freenode GitHub [15:34] XRevan86 it was the first link [15:34] schestowitz__ I saw that [15:35] XRevan86 schestowitz__: Notice who posted ( https://github.com/realrasengan ) [15:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-realrasengan (rasengan) GitHub [15:35] XRevan86 he made the same choice, so there is no difference. [15:35] schestowitz__ his github photo is the same as the 2013 gnome foundation photo [15:36] schestowitz__ XRevan86: yes, I pointed this out [15:36] schestowitz__ (that he uses shithub [15:36] schestowitz__ but he used it even 4 years ago) [15:36] schestowitz__ back then RMS warned about it, even in 2015 [15:36] schestowitz__ before Microsoft [15:36] schestowitz__ "Handshake Fan." [15:36] schestowitz__ How to interpret that [15:37] schestowitz__ https://imperialfamily.com/ [15:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-imperialfamily.com | Imperial Family Companies [15:37] schestowitz__ Under "technology" is says Shells and Freenode [15:38] XRevan86 schestowitz__: He likes Handshake very much, I assume that. [15:38] schestowitz__ that's andrew and his sibling [15:38] schestowitz__ Shells is not for me/us [15:38] schestowitz__ but for beginners I think [15:38] schestowitz__ maybe when he said he would take IRC to the next level he meant some sort of integration, which can explain Shells in the Freenode site [15:38] XRevan86 https://handshake.org/ this thing [15:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-handshake.org | Handshake [15:38] *zleap (~zleap@unaffiliated/zleap) has joined #techrights [15:38] schestowitz__ as long as that does not disrupt irc.freenode.net operations, I don't mind much... [15:38] schestowitz__ XRevan86: that's what I thought [15:39] schestowitz__ but does that mean it's him? [15:39] schestowitz__ someone inquired about it [15:39] schestowitz__ https://www.fsf.org/news/free-software-foundation-receives-1-million-from-handshake [15:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | Free Software Foundation receives $1 million from Handshake Free Software Foundation Working together for free software [15:39] schestowitz__ worth noting [15:40] schestowitz__ it does not imply collusion [15:40] XRevan86 schestowitz__: Es ist er. [15:40] schestowitz__ but rather refutes such a theory [15:40] zleap who are handshake ? [15:40] schestowitz__ "Rob Myers of Handshake said, "The FSF is a worldwide leader in the fight to protect the rights of all computer users through its support for the production of free software, including the GNU operating system and its campaigns to raise awareness such as Defective by Design. Handshake is proud to be able to support the FSF in its important work to secure our freedom."" [15:40] zleap :) [15:40] schestowitz__ if they paid FSF with no strings attached, GREAT! [15:41] schestowitz__ better than dirty money [15:41] schestowitz__ like IBM money [15:41] schestowitz__ or Google [15:41] schestowitz__ which restrict what RMS and FSF at large can say publicly [15:41] meo money with no strings attached becomes dirty in a whiff [15:41] schestowitz__ for risk of non-renewal the next year [15:41] schestowitz__ meo: so show the strings [15:41] schestowitz__ same for pi fund [15:42] schestowitz__ which also paid sfc [15:42] schestowitz__ "John Sullivan, FSF's executive director, said, "Building on the $1 million Bitcoin gift from the Pineapple Fund earlier this year, and our record high number of individual associate members, it is clear that software freedom is more important than ever to the world. We are now at a pivotal moment in our history, on the cusp of making free software the 'kitchen table issue' it must be. Thanks to Handshake and our members, the Free [15:42] schestowitz__ Software Foundation looks forward to scaling to the next level of free software activism, development, and community."" [15:42] schestowitz__ I never thought this money played ANY role in the coup [15:42] meo most of the SJWs who mounted the attack on RMS and FSF met at seagl 2020, which was funded, in part, by redhat. No one back then thought it was dirty money. [15:42] schestowitz__ the coup seems to have been motivated and motored by media with monopoly connections [15:42] schestowitz__ meo: yes, red hat and ibm worry me more [15:43] schestowitz__ fsf never spoke about systemd negatively [15:43] schestowitz__ not even when this was critical back around 2014 [15:43] schestowitz__ rms also used to make excuses for mono until we raised the issues repeatedly with him [15:43] meo yeah but then GNU developed shepherd, which is actually a better tool in every way [15:43] schestowitz__ http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/rms-on-mono.ogg [15:44] meo the whole shenanigans is why I dropped debian and switched to guix [15:44] schestowitz__ guix is not more rms-hostile than debian [15:45] techrights-bot #elive more than 12 years ago http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/elive-compiz-demo.ogg #debian #gnu #linux [15:46] techrights-bot #microsoft is a magnet for crazies with more greed or smell for money than tact http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/ballmer-developers.ogg [15:47] schestowitz__ "$100,000 for GNU Guix and GuixSD, a package manager supporting transactional upgrades and roll-backs, unprivileged package management, per-user profiles, and more, as well as a distribution of the GNU operating system using that package manager;" [15:47] schestowitz__ meo: from the fsf site [15:47] baronhk[m]1 https://vivaldi.com/blog/good-riddance-internet-explorer/ [15:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Good riddance, Internet Explorer! | Vivaldi Browser [15:47] meo schestowitz__: yep. [15:48] meo dont get me wrong the guix project has a coc and SJWish people who went against RMS [15:48] schestowitz__ Even people who said abandon freenode told me that rasengan was well-meaning [15:48] schestowitz__ not all, but some [15:48] meo but the fact is, when redhat pulled the systemd stunt gnu responded with action [15:48] meo not words [15:48] schestowitz__ systemd's LP posted a blog post the other day [15:48] schestowitz__ first time in ages [15:48] meo (in point of fact, guix and shepherd predate this hubbub by years) [15:49] schestowitz__ indirect link: http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151362 [15:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Lennart Poettering: File Descriptor Limits | Tux Machines [15:49] schestowitz__ it's still buddy [15:49] schestowitz__ *buggy [15:49] schestowitz__ it's like going back to the 90s [15:49] schestowitz__ with more hardware resources [15:49] schestowitz__ and using them up more [15:49] schestowitz__ with colours in terminal and "shiny" stuff most of us don't care for [15:50] schestowitz__ because we use this not on servers and we want quick boot, easy diagnostics etc. [15:50] schestowitz__ red hat/ibm want one-size-fits-all [15:50] schestowitz__ inc. wayland [15:50] schestowitz__ or xwayland [15:50] schestowitz__ as a bridge [15:51] techrights-bot The EPO's War on Justice and Assault on the Law -- Part 15 will likely be published tonight. It'll soon show how #EPO spies intensively on #techrights and people. Crazy fucking Mafia... right there in the centre of Munich's business hub! [15:53] techrights-bot #EPO stakeholders, you pay money (applications, renewals) for a bunch of aggressive crooks to hire lawyers to blackmail bloggers and for spies (literally connected to the Stasi via a firm called Desa) to eavesdrop on people who expose EPO #corruption ● May 20 [16:02] *XRevan86 reads news [16:02] XRevan86 FSIN (a successor to GULAG) plans to create labour camps, they say those camps won't be gulags. [16:10] schestowitz__ FSIN? [16:10] schestowitz__ sounds like a f* sin [16:17] XRevan86 The Federal Penitentiary Service (FSIN) [16:18] techrights-bot The Boards of Appeal are trying to get their act together; #Josefsson has been removed from case/referral G 1/21 and #IngoBeckedorf is rumoured to have also been replaced http://techrights.org/2021/05/20/calle-josefsson-deposed/ #Techrights #EPO | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/05/20/calle-josefsson-deposed/ [16:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Breaking EPO News Regarding G 1/21: Judge Calle Josefsson Deposed as Chairman | Techrights [16:20] techrights-bot In 20 days of this month #gemini capsule of #techrights will have exceeded 100k requests (pages). Last month it was 104k in 30 days. #geminiSpace expands as #geminiProtocol gains in popularity. [16:21] techrights-bot #EPO has seen not even a figment of justice under the #BenotBattistelli and #AntnioCampinos regimes; its all theatrical, its fiction [Meme] The EPOs Very Special Dept. of Justice http://techrights.org/2021/05/20/meme-the-epos-very-special-dept-of-justice/ #Techrights #Europe | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/05/20/meme-the-epos-very-spec [16:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] The EPOs Very Special Dept. of Justice | Techrights [16:22] schestowitz__ US would have turned FSIN into a corporation [16:22] schestowitz__ and then "Create" more "job creators" [16:22] schestowitz__ "success stories" [16:22] schestowitz__ "self-made billionaire" [16:22] XRevan86 Chief Camp Administration (GULAG) Chief Penitentiary Administration (GUIN) Federal Penitentiary Service (FSIN) [16:22] schestowitz__ mad it big with a government contract [16:23] schestowitz__ *made [16:26] XRevan86 > But it seems like pretty much the whole catastrophe right now boils down to that. [16:26] XRevan86 Maybe, but what most of the staff considered crossing the line was the demand to give access to Freenode infrastructure, right? [16:27] XRevan86 I am still unsure about this bit, because according to rasengan he was asking back for access that was revoked, but the other party presents it very differently. [16:29] XRevan86 > (shes female by the way) [16:29] XRevan86 Does that really need explicit clarification? [16:32] XRevan86 schestowitz__: The Gentoo link needs to be updated. [16:34] XRevan86 Regarding "Crown Prince", the article on The Register references https://prnewswire.com/news-releases/andrew-lee-named-new-korean-crown-prince-300731986.html [16:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.prnewswire.com | Andrew Lee Named New Korean Crown Prince [16:35] XRevan86 schestowitz__: So it's not some kind of slur, he is actually a Korean Crown Prince by title. [16:35] *tr_guest|62033 (aa0a0793@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.170.10.7.147) has joined #techrights [16:35] *tr_guest|62033 has quit (Client Quit) [16:46] trttl from what i understood what happened is not that complicated [16:46] trttl the then current now former staff was unhappy with the consequences of the agreements between christel and andrew lee (which is understandable and i think their concerns were/are very legit), so they took action and tried to force both of them out [16:46] trttl they succeeded with christel but the whole plot backfired when they wanted the domains and realized andrew lee/his company is the legal owner of the domains and likely has the legal right to use the freenode name [16:46] trttl guess that was the point when it became clear what time it was and they started putting together their own network [16:47] trttl and resignation drafts started leaking when things were more or less ready [16:47] XRevan86 trttl: I don't understand how tomaw got a hold on the domains account? [16:47] XRevan86 rasengan gave it and then tomaw removed rasengan from it? [16:54] trttl maybe the head of staff had access because andrew lee trusted christel but christel handed over her credentials to tomaw when she resigned [16:54] XRevan86 trttl: That doesn't sound plausible. [16:55] trttl because? [16:56] XRevan86 trttl: "after Christel had resigned, I was approached by the new Head of Staff, tomaw, who asked if he could have ownership over the domains. I responded with my wish to decentralize the network. Subsequently, I learned I was locked out of the account a few days later." [16:57] XRevan86 Was that response a deny? [16:57] trttl i think so yes [16:58] XRevan86 Then how did tomaw get access? [16:58] trttl just because you can log in to some account doesn't mean it's yours [16:59] XRevan86 trttl: I have a feeling like when rasengan talks about the account, he means something relating to freenode itself, not to the domains. ● May 20 [17:00] XRevan86 maybe his own personal account on the network? [17:00] trttl literally says he wanted ownership over the domains [17:00] trttl which was denied [17:00] trttl you can argue that andrew lee is lying but then there's not much to talk about [17:01] XRevan86 trttl: I argue that he wrote the explanation in such a way that it is open to interpretation. [17:03] trttl well that's my interpretation [17:06] trttl anyway the damage was done 4 years ago. if you sell something you can expect that the buyer would want to own it [17:06] XRevan86 trttl: Um, I think Libera.Chat can agree with that, so they left. [17:07] XRevan86 trttl: Ariadne wrote this: "Historically, freenode staff had stated that everything was under control and that Andrews involvement in freenode limited had no operational impact on the network. It turns out that Christel was lying to them: Andrew had operational control and legal authority over the freenode domains. This lead to several current volunteers drafting their resignation letters." [17:08] XRevan86 Her twist on it is not unique, it's just the one I have currently open in my browser. [17:09] trttl i read this and i don't see how is this contradicting what i said earlier [17:10] XRevan86 trttl: "Ye voted for Putin in 2000, hadn't ye, now suck it up" is not a valid argument. [17:10] trttl excuse me? [17:10] rasengan XRevan86: I'm in and out right now, but in regard to your question about the account - it was the domain that I was locked out of (which I had previously had full access to). [17:11] XRevan86 rasengan: So the head of Freenode staff had full access to the domains too? [17:11] *koo6 (~koo6@89-24-13-235.customers.tmcz.cz) has joined #techrights [17:11] CrystalMath schestowitz__: after getting more information, i'm now sure that we should not move [17:11] rasengan XRevan86: Yes [17:12] XRevan86 rasengan: I guess that makes sense since they'd need control over the zone. [17:12] rasengan For sure [17:12] CrystalMath schestowitz__: in other words, i stand in support of freenode [17:14] XRevan86 rasengan: So tomaw got access to the account as head of staff and then changed the password while not being the proper owner of that account? [17:15] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 19.93 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 51.18 swarm size (avg): 225.00 [17:16] rasengan XRevan86: Almost -- what he did was he added 2FA which only he had the secondary auth for (and refused to disable it). [17:16] XRevan86 rasengan: How did he justify that? Security? [17:17] trttl lol [17:23] rasengan There really was no justification. [17:23] rasengan The timing having happened after asking me for ownership is why I struggle to justify that action. [17:24] XRevan86 What does "ownership" mean here? He wanted the domain names to be transferred to him from Freenode, Ltd.? [17:24] rasengan Yes [17:33] XRevan86 rasengan: One interpretation that comes to mind: tomaw after expelling christel saw that Freenode, Ltd. has control over the network and wanted to physically restrict that. Since legal measures (domain transfer) didn't work, he went for taking away operational control by adding 2FA, making himself the only person that could do things with the domains. [17:34] XRevan86 rasengan: I haven't talked to tomaw or anyone else from that camp, but it feels like the whole thing revolves around trust issues. [17:35] rasengan XRevan86: Or so they say. ;) [17:36] XRevan86 rasengan: tomaw clearly wanted to completely remove you from the equation. And ye clearly see him as someone who got hold on power and used it to usurp the whole network. [17:36] rasengan XRevan86: I'm going to share a timeline of events that's far more detailed with screenshots today to make it much more clear what was going on to everyone. [17:38] XRevan86 rasengan: On an unrelated note, has anyone who wanted to resign changed their mind? [17:38] XRevan86 Haven't heard of such an event, but it seems like a possibility and be good to know. [17:39] rasengan XRevan86: Not that I know of. [17:41] XRevan86 rasengan: How many people are left? Surely the network now needs to elect a new head of staff, a new head of web development, etc. [17:43] rasengan There are a few steps still to take but I agree with you on that ● May 20 [18:07] XRevan86 https://ariadne.space/2021/05/20/the-whole-freenode-kerfluffle/ "all he tried to do since christel stepped down was get his inhouse sysadmin access to everything; a business [18:07] XRevan86 should have access to its assets" [18:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ariadne.space | the whole freenode kerfluffle Ariadne's Space [18:07] XRevan86 rasengan: Was nirvana talking about the registrar account? [18:09] *XRevan86 reads the paste and feels like every second word from nirvana rubs Ariadne the wrong way. [18:11] XRevan86 "but. you can ban your enemies." the heck [18:11] trttl yeah that nirvana dude is cringe [18:11] XRevan86 "i was just trying to make you laugh" ah, hilarious. [18:13] XRevan86 nirvana talks about this very serious matter like it's a joke. [18:14] MinceR perhaps it's not as serious as most people think [18:14] XRevan86 MinceR: Ariadne talks about a governance model, nirvana talks about "ill make sure you get +oO in #freenode" [18:17] rasengan Hey, so regarding nirvana, I'm pretty sure by the time he and Ariadne were speaking this had been about securing freenode, period. [18:18] rasengan As for the rest of the conversation he and Ariadne had, I think that's quite a bit taken out of context -- they are (or rather, I'd say were) friends and had worked together on things together in the past. That's how they spoke to each other usually (you can see how Ariadne really speaks in the freenode-staff-discussion log). [18:18] XRevan86 schestowitz__: > (23:30:44) Ariadne: we are going to dissolve freenode limited and transfer the freenode assets to either the software freedom conservancy or linux foundation [18:18] rasengan Unfortunately, it appears there was a motive and agenda behind the conversation, logging of it and release thereof. [18:19] alextee[m] ^ lol is that real? [18:19] alextee[m] or joking? [18:20] XRevan86 alextee[m]: It's Ariadne's suggestion on what should be done. [18:20] MinceR i still find the idea of trusting the LF or the SFC with anything to be ludicrous [18:20] alextee[m] linux foundation and software freedom conservancy are the most corrupt organizations involved with free software [18:21] alextee[m] linux foundation even gives 100% of its proceeds to fund things completely unrelated with linux nor free software [18:22] XRevan86 rasengan: I'm still reading through, it feels like nirvana hasn't dived into the situation at all and was only there to recruit, and it wasn't what Ariadne wanted to hear at all. [18:22] alextee[m] not sure where that page is now but it used to say 100% of donations will be used to fund inclusivity and diversity [18:23] MinceR lol [18:24] XRevan86 From 23:44:00 on forward it gets more serious. [18:29] XRevan86 Discord's support agreed to just delete my blocked-out account. [18:30] *XRevan86 mentioned that while reading the /kill portion of the paste. [18:36] XRevan86 rasengan: Yea, I think that conversation clashed with Ariadne's vision of the Freenode's future very harshly. [18:36] XRevan86 Ho, I didn't know tomaw is uninvolved with Libera.Chat either. [18:36] XRevan86 So he was just thrown out everywhere? [18:37] MinceR he's also involved with OFTC [18:37] MinceR i guess we'll find out what his relationship with freenode and libera is on the long term [18:38] XRevan86 MinceR: rasengan's involvement is pretty much to kick out tomaw [18:39] XRevan86 MinceR: (00:00:44) Ariadne: you see it as an attack against freenode, when in reality, they are boycotting both you and tomaw. [18:39] XRevan86 MinceR: And that's what kaniini writes about Libera.Chat in that paste. [18:40] MinceR oh, i missed that tomaw stopped showing up in freenode/staff/* [18:41] XRevan86 MinceR: I mean, this whole thing revolves around the tomaw's and rasengan's conflict. [18:41] XRevan86 so of course [18:43] *travankor (travankor@gateway/shell/tilde.team/x-tehrobouaojwtaej) has joined #techrights [18:52] XRevan86 Would it be weird if Freenode joined SPI? [18:52] XRevan86 now that's an organisation with good reputation [18:57] MinceR hasn't the SPI been corrupted by IBM? [18:58] travankor why should freenode join spi? [18:59] travankor rasenga n is in charge ● May 20 [19:00] XRevan86 travankor: If trust in governance is a problem, then having a trusted organisation as a mediator can help. [19:00] XRevan86 MinceR: Eh? [19:00] MinceR XRevan86: SPI has close ties with debian, allegedly also with systemd [19:00] XRevan86 MinceR: With Debian very much so. [19:01] XRevan86 MinceR: With systemd SPI accepts donations for systemd. [19:01] MinceR debian serves IBM's interests and has betrayed its users [19:02] travankor I was under the impression that it's bdfl style governance from here on out [19:03] travankor we're part of the royal family bros [19:03] MinceR i'm not feeling it [19:03] travankor bdfl or royal family? [19:03] MinceR the latter [19:05] travankor well, we have the princeling in here, don't we? [19:06] *rianne has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [19:06] MinceR yes, but we're not related to him [19:06] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [19:13] travankor darn, i was hoping we could vicariously partake in the Joseon dynasty's glory, maybe as courtiers or something [19:15] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 20.13 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 59.60 swarm size (avg): 225.05 [19:27] MinceR (cat) https://ircz.de/p/21032937 [19:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (5355410) [19:30] travankor by the way, did anyone else see this: https://web.archive.org/web/20181207230330/https://www.irc.com/lets-take-irc-further [19:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Let's take IRC Further [19:30] travankor when are we going to get IRC university et al? [19:33] travankor >We're going to have literally hundreds of thousands in cash prizes! [19:34] travankor >IRC Ventures (VC/Incubation on IRC!) [19:34] travankor >Free Education for the World [19:35] travankor am I the only person getting Trumpian vibes from these grandiose promises? [19:40] psydroid don't we have khan academy for that? [19:43] travankor khan is video-heavy, right [19:43] travankor i prefer text over video [19:43] travankor video-heavy instruction* [19:45] MinceR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRnSnfiUI54 [19:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-KHAAAAAAN! - YouTube [19:47] MinceR also, i didn't know dump was into free education :> [19:59] travankor salespeople pitch whatever makes the masses sated ● May 20 [20:00] scientes XRevan86, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX5Hl8XN2Dg [20:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Georgia Will Become Muslim Soon! Entire Regions Being Sold Out to Turkish Emigres! - YouTube [20:01] scientes what happened to the bot? [20:01] scientes I don't understand this "throw shit at a wall and see what sticks" approach. [20:02] travankor isn't that armenia not georgia [20:02] scientes the reporter is in Batumi, where I am now [20:02] scientes it is beyond rediculous [20:03] *XRevan86 opens the video, listens to some heavy propaganda subtitled in English. [20:03] travankor XRevan86: lol [20:03] scientes XRevan86, but the propoganda is so outlandish [20:03] scientes it is almost The Onion [20:04] travankor georgians betrayed the armenians [20:04] travankor video is from 2019 [20:05] XRevan86 Makes sense, that was the time when Russia blocked transit to Georgia. [20:05] XRevan86 scientes: Ye can't surprise me, I have to live with it %). [20:06] scientes ok, it is just a differn't strategy from US propoganda [20:06] scientes so not familiar to me [20:06] scientes I saw a little CCCP propoganda for chinese, it was INTENSE [20:06] scientes all violence [20:07] scientes US propoganda is all about making people angry at clouds [20:07] scientes so that they are horrible conversation partners [20:07] travankor russia should just annex georgia honestly [20:07] MinceR Thought for the day: Violence solves everything. [20:08] scientes travankor, there was a MP who suggested annexing Armenia and Azerbaijan [20:08] scientes travankor, you have no idea what you are talking about [20:08] XRevan86 scientes: I like how the reporter asks a guy who works at a restaurant, he readily responds, talks about his work, the goods he's making [20:09] XRevan86 and it's all painted as a foreign evil that's overtaking Georgia [20:09] travankor georgian are very xenophobic from what i've heard [20:09] travankor they even treat their armenian neighbours terribly [20:09] scientes "from what i've heard" [20:10] scientes travankor, you should travel [20:10] scientes not just to georgia, but outside of your mother's basement [20:10] XRevan86 > It is always clean at the Turkish restaurants [20:10] XRevan86 hehehehe [20:11] scientes XRevan86, yeah, that's a good one. Some Turkish restaurants, maybe. Turkish quarter, no, not really. [20:12] schestowitz__ [17:12] schestowitz__: in other words, i stand in support of freenode [20:12] schestowitz__ Not sure what you saw... [20:13] CrystalMath schestowitz__: i was just reviewing all the facts [20:13] XRevan86 scientes: Anyway, it isn't healthy to listen to Russian propaganda, because it doesn't shy away from blatantly lying, not just twisting facts. [20:13] scientes ? [20:13] scientes XRevan86, yeah, that is why I posted it [20:13] XRevan86 scientes: In general. [20:13] scientes I am living here, and it is so far from reality to resemble The Onion [20:14] schestowitz__ [18:22] not sure where that page is now but it used to say 100% of donations will be used to fund inclusivity and diversity [20:14] schestowitz__ This a lie [20:14] schestowitz__ a lady who helps us research looked into it [20:14] schestowitz__ and found http://techrights.org/2019/03/26/lf-define-support/ [20:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Guest Post: The Linux Foundation Needs to Define Support | Techrights [20:14] scientes schestowitz__, as is anything that funds "inclusivity and diversity" [20:14] XRevan86 scientes: It is also why everyone tells never to participate in state-sponsored television, because if they want ye in there, they ye'll be used as a tool. [20:15] XRevan86 * want you [20:15] scientes XRevan86, it is also like participating with The Onion [20:15] schestowitz__ [18:57] hasn't the SPI been corrupted by IBM? [20:15] MinceR XRevan86: you sound like Elminster with all those "ye"s :> [20:15] scientes it can only hurt your reputation [20:15] schestowitz__ Google and Microsoft mostly [20:15] XRevan86 MinceR: Ye said it exactly at the point when I misused it :) [20:15] MinceR schestowitz__: it's all a big happy family now, isn't it? [20:16] *scientes wishes he knew where the Turkish hammam in Batumi was [20:17] schestowitz__ MinceR: overlapping interests [20:17] MinceR they'd all be one government institution together, if the state didn't intend to maintain an illusion of competition [20:20] XRevan86 scientes: Orthodox Christianity is in danger, can't ye see!? [20:20] travankor XRevan86: lol [20:21] MinceR it would be nice if the rest of abrahamism was also in danger [20:21] XRevan86 https://youtu.be/AqlY3UFqEdc only a Different Path can save it [20:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- - YouTube [20:21] techrights-bot #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151392 #Linux #TuxMachines [20:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [20:22] techrights-bot #LLVM #Clang 12 #Compiler Is Performing Very Well For AMD #Ryzen 9 5950X / Zen 3 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151391 #TuxMachines [20:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LLVM Clang 12 Compiler Is Performing Very Well For AMD Ryzen 9 5950X / Zen 3 | Tux Machines [20:22] XRevan86 (scientes and MinceR know a little Russian and may be able to appreciate this video) [20:22] techrights-bot #Gnome : New Human Interface Guidelines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151390 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #gtk [20:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Gnome: New Human Interface Guidelines | Tux Machines [20:23] techrights-bot Best Alternatives To #CentOS 8 In 2021 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151389 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #rhel [20:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Best Alternatives To CentOS 8 In 2021 | Tux Machines [20:24] scientes XRevan86, the slant on the propoganda is so think that it makes me think the only way to get people to swallow it is with lots of violence [20:24] techrights-bot #Nezha RISC-V Linux SBC launched for $99 and up http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151388 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Nezha RISC-V Linux SBC launched for $99 and up | Tux Machines [20:24] techrights-bot #TUXEDOs Latest Linux Laptop is All About the Screen http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151387 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | TUXEDOs Latest Linux Laptop is All About the Screen | Tux Machines [20:24] scientes (which is certainly what the CCCP propoganda I saw was) [20:24] techrights-bot #Chrome OSs Linux app support is leaving beta x http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151386 [20:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Chrome OSs Linux app support is leaving beta | Tux Machines [20:24] XRevan86 scientes: The modus-operandi is an informational vacuum [20:25] scientes ahhh [20:25] scientes yes, Soviet continuation [20:25] scientes XRevan86, but is there like 2 levels? One level is the continuous "us good, them evil" slants [20:26] scientes but I guess like most propoganda it changes so fast, and it is generally contradictive, and doesn't care that it is [20:26] scientes US propoganda modus operandi is creating an environment where it is impossible to talk about problems [20:27] scientes by filling heads with prejudice [20:27] travankor good thing Ukrainians don't listen to muscovites [20:28] XRevan86 travankor: Have ye heard of Shariy? [20:30] travankor russian stooge? [20:30] XRevan86 travankor: yea [20:31] travankor russians try be very psychologically manipulative [20:31] scientes XRevan86, the information vacum makes sense, that way they can keep shipping off the money of the one-industry towns [20:32] scientes travankor, little Dostoevskys [20:32] XRevan86 travankor: And being very blunt about it. [20:32] scientes Crime and More Crime [20:32] scientes XRevan86, yeah, still haven't gotten use to that [20:32] scientes most distinct from South America [20:32] XRevan86 I think they are getting more and more blunt over the years. [20:33] scientes like how they just showed up and put the president of the far east in prison in moscow? [20:33] XRevan86 I meant propaganda. [20:33] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@2600:1700:8261:417f::e79) has joined #techrights [20:33] XRevan86 but actions too [20:33] scientes similar to the assassination of Gaddafi minus the assassination and bombing [20:34] AdmFubar https://hackaday.com/2021/05/20/freenode-debacle-prompts-staff-exodus-new-network/ [20:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Freenode Debacle Prompts Staff Exodus, New Network | Hackaday [20:34] techrights-bot #Ubuntu Podcast from the UK LoCo: S14E11 Pigs Eating Shot https://ubuntupodcast.org/2021/05/20/s14e11-pigs-eating-shot/ #gnu #linux [20:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ubuntupodcast.org | S14E11 Pigs Eating Shot | Ubuntu Podcast [20:35] techrights-bot #nvidia #openwashing https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/05/nvidia-update-their-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 [20:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-NVIDIA update their NVAPI open source interface helping "Windows emulation environments" | GamingOnLinux [20:36] XRevan86 rasengan: "Eventually, he and his associates started to seek out and install new staff members on the authority of the so-called Freenode Board, an entity which until that at point in time, did not exist." [20:37] scientes XRevan86, he also found out he was a descendent of a Koran royal family [20:37] scientes so now the news also says "Korean prince" [20:37] scientes or some other nonsense [20:37] XRevan86 AdmFubar: I think they messed up the timeline. [20:37] MinceR how long until the next upgrade? [20:37] MinceR king, emperor, something [20:37] scientes CSER [20:38] techrights-bot #Microphone noise suppression app NoiseTorch has a new release with early PipeWire support http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151393 I really love #NoiseTorch http://techrights.org/2021/02/24/noisetorch-primer/ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Microphone noise suppression app NoiseTorch has a new release with early PipeWire support | Tux Machines [20:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Trying Out NoiseTorch to Reduce Background Sound/Noise in GNU/Linux | Techrights [20:38] MinceR :> [20:39] scientes MinceR, doesn't quite top the Chinese Emperors, who always claims that they ruled the entire world [20:39] XRevan86 AdmFubar: "Clearly, we havent heard the last of this story" for sure. [20:39] techrights-bot The company in #spain that makes #gnu #linux laptops that don't cost too much https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66RBQXf4FI0 #Slimbook [20:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-FINALLY an affordable LINUX LAPTOP? - Slimbook Essential 14 - YouTube [20:39] MinceR :> [20:39] MinceR i guess china invented the american worldview before the usa existed :> [20:40] XRevan86 Imperialism is not new? [20:40] scientes Yeah, but they don't have the ability to turn the water off to all of southeast asia [20:40] MinceR :> [20:41] scientes the Mekong river [20:41] scientes they will remake Apocolypse Now! where at the end there is a giant panda [20:41] scientes that likes to eat honey [20:41] scientes and has "Winnie the Pooh" written on his house [20:42] schestowitz__ "longpanda" makes ventoy [20:42] schestowitz__ which I'm told might be a privacy risk [20:42] *tr_guest|60956 (5e866606@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.94.134.102.6) has joined #techrights [20:42] schestowitz__ people who say that overlook US spying [20:42] schestowitz__ so it's a little ludicrous [20:42] MinceR is that like long pig? [20:43] schestowitz__ pigtails [20:43] alextee[m] schestowitz__: i'm pretty sure there was a page that said 100% of the funds will go to diversity programs [20:43] alextee[m] i'll look for it [20:44] techrights-bot "To give a shout out to TNgineers, they worked with us on sorting out Linux gamepad support as Game Maker Studio does some really weird things with their #GNU #Linux support." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/05/chilled-out-super-sweet-bee-keeping-game-apico-has-a-huge-new-demo-out [20:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Chilled-out super sweet Bee keeping game APICO has a huge new demo out | GamingOnLinux [20:44] alextee[m] i remember seeing it under the linux foundation's official web site [20:44] scientes alextee[m], you can send the funds to me [20:44] scientes I am diverse [20:44] scientes I exist in many places at the same time [20:44] schestowitz__ alextee[m]: it's corporate feelgood [20:44] schestowitz__ and contributes to gcc [20:44] schestowitz__ which compiles linux [20:45] scientes they don't contribute to gcc [20:45] scientes that would require technical competence [20:45] alextee[m] do they? how? [20:46] techrights-bot #GodotEngine needs more funding for post-4.0 development https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/05/godot-engine-needs-more-funding-for-post-40-development if they have more resources, maybe they can set up their own #gitlab that they control and #deletegithub for project sovereignty [20:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Godot Engine needs more funding for post-4.0 development | GamingOnLinux [20:47] AdmFubar https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021/05/big-tech-goes-all-in-to-thwart-right-to-repair-initiatives.html [20:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nakedcapitalism.com | Big Tech Goes All In to Thwart Right to Repair Initiatives | naked capitalism [20:47] techrights-bot #freesw good, but better to #deletegithub which is #proprietarySoftware https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/05/if-you-love-heroes-of-might-and-magic-ii-do-check-out-this-open-source-reimplementation #github is not a friend of software but a force of occupation: http://techrights.org/2020/06/15/confessions-of-scott-guthrie/ [20:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-If you love Heroes of Might and Magic II do check out this open source reimplementation | GamingOnLinux [20:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Story About Microsofts Plan for GitHub Says a Lot About the Motivations and the Lies Told to Us for Over Half a Decade | Techrights [20:48] schestowitz__ AdmFubar: as one might expected [20:48] schestowitz__ we need to thwart "big tech" [20:48] schestowitz__ whatever that is [20:48] schestowitz__ nebulous concept [20:49] techrights-bot Looks like Trust Factor in Counter-Strike: Global Offensive on GNU/Linux is fixed for Mesa | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/05/looks-like-trust-factor-in-counter-strike-global-offensive-on-linux-is-fixed-for-mesa #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games #Gaming [20:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Looks like Trust Factor in Counter-Strike: Global Offensive on Linux is fixed for Mesa | GamingOnLinux [20:49] MinceR my wallet is diverse [20:50] MinceR adding some USD to EUR to it would make it even more diverse [20:51] schestowitz__ LF isn't opinion-diverse [20:51] schestowitz__ also not OS-diverse [20:51] alextee[m] i found it [20:51] alextee[m] https://s2.desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/g/image/1603/89/1603892930394.png [20:51] alextee[m] this was the exact text [20:51] schestowitz__ they need to hire people who ACTUALLY USE "Linux" [20:51] alextee[m] now i hope people in that thread posted the link to it. i remember visiting it [20:52] alextee[m] https://desuarchive.org/g/search/text/linux%20foundation%20diversity/ this is the thread [20:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-desuarchive.org | /g/ - Technology Searching for posts that contain linux foundation diversity. [20:52] alextee[m] er that's the search wait lol [20:53] scientes XRevan86, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE40-xC107E [20:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Is This Place Real? (Barentsburg) - YouTube [20:53] alextee[m] https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/78413039 here, no links [20:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-desuarchive.org | /g/ - Technology Thread #78413039 [20:55] *tr_guest|60956 has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) [20:55] *ubuntourist has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [20:55] alextee[m] people in the thread also mention that it was on the linux foundation's website. i guess it's gone now and I can't find a link [20:55] techrights-bot Christian Schaller: New opportunities in the Red Hat Desktop team https://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2021/05/20/new-opportunities-in-the-red-hat-desktop-team/ #redhat #ibm [20:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.gnome.org | New opportunities in the Red Hat Desktop team Christian F.K. Schaller [20:56] scientes That is a weird job posting [20:56] scientes considering that Red Hat was behind a MASSIVE reverse engineering job on the nouveau driver [20:57] techrights-bot #Games : APICO, Godot, and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151394 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: APICO, Godot, and More | Tux Machines [20:58] MinceR alextee[m]: maybe it's still on archive.org [20:58] MinceR or archive.is [20:58] techrights-bot "The benefits of having IBM's endless deep pockets. Billions and billions and billions for Linux. #RedHat was already no slouch before the merger. Does #QT have an #IBM of its own behind it? (I genuinely don't know)" https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1257348-red-hat-is-hiring-even-more-graphics-engineers [20:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Red Hat Is Hiring Even More Graphics Engineers - Phoronix Forums [20:59] AdmFubar https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021/05/known-stock-market-leverage-hits-wtf-high-out-the-other-side-of-its-mouth-the-fed-warns-about-hidden-leverage-that-blew-up-archegos.html [20:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nakedcapitalism.com | Known Stock Market Leverage Hits WTF High. Out the Other Side of Its Mouth, the Fed Warns About Hidden Leverage that Blew up Archegos | naked capitalism [20:59] alextee[m] MinceR: I'll check later, bbl ● May 20 [21:00] techrights-bot "Racial equity can fix this cloud problem" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1aW71VrT#replies [21:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | IBM Clouds biggest region hit by five-hour Severity One brownout - post regarding IBM layoffs [21:01] AdmFubar https://www.notebookcheck.net/It-s-official-The-Mac-has-a-security-problem.540293.0.html [21:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-It's official: The Mac has a security problem - NotebookCheck.net News [21:01] techrights-bot "If you stay with IBM, be prepared for them to cut you at any time. And always be looking for a better job with a better company than the one you are currently with. There is a great life beyond #IBM - take a peek!" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1aWWuTE5#replies [21:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | What should an employee do? - post regarding IBM layoffs [21:01] techrights-bot "Work the least, take the maximum time off, take advantage of any learning opportunities while at IBM... #IBM will never reward you if you work hard." https://www.thelayoff.com/post/@ydc+1aWWuTE5 [21:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Post @ydc+1aWWuTE5 re: "What should an..." (regarding IBM) [21:01] MinceR ah, casus belli to lock third party applications out even harder [21:02] MinceR the cupertino mafia already made it hard to run applications like xonotic on macos, i guess soon they'll make it even harder to sideload applications [21:02] techrights-bot "Quantum always reminds me of the bubble storage IBM advertised back in the 1960s. How did that work out.. Yes, but this is 10+ years away to see any revenues... so, this is not relevant in today's market. And the way #IBM hypes it (as usual), they will probably not see a penny!" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1aWjOhh3#replies [21:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Quantum Computing - post regarding IBM layoffs [21:05] techrights-bot #BodhiLinux 6 - Full Review http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151289#comment-29693 new #gnu #linux review... [21:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Whats New in Bodhi Linux 6? 4 New Updates to Look Out For | Tux Machines [21:07] techrights-bot #BSDNow : The #Linuxulator Investment https://www.bsdnow.tv/403 #OPNsense #NetBSD #BSD [21:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bsdnow.tv | BSD Now 403: The Linuxulator Investment [21:12] techrights-bot The Best #PowerPoint Alternatives for GNU/Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151395 First section is #freesw options. #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [21:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Best PowerPoint Alternatives for Linux | Tux Machines [21:13] techrights-bot This soft tactile sensor can simultaneously estimate the contact force and location | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/05/20/this-soft-sensor-can-simultaneously-estimate-the-contact-force-and-location/ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/05/20/#latest [21:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | This soft tactile sensor can simultaneously estimate the contact force and location | Arduino Blog [21:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [21:15] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 28.06 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 59.40 swarm size (avg): 225.10 [21:17] techrights-bot How to install #UbuntuDDE Remix 21.04 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5dZTWx_7rc #gnu #linux [21:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How to install UbuntuDDE Remix 21.04 - YouTube [21:22] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151396 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [21:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [21:23] MinceR https://pleated-jeans.com/2021/05/12/dark-cursed-comments/ [21:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleated-jeans.com | Now Thats HilariouWait, No, Thats Actually Kinda Disturbing (30 Pics) [21:23] techrights-bot #Intel Alder Lake P, XeLPD Display Enablement Sent In Ahead Of Linux 5.14 - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-Alder-Lake-P-Linux-5.14 #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/05/20/#latest [21:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel Alder Lake P, XeLPD Display Enablement Sent In Ahead Of Linux 5.14 - Phoronix [21:25] techrights-bot "Last month, we wrote about Allwinner D1 SBC & processor that promised to offer a relatively low-cost #RISCV #Linux solution. We were not given a name at the time, but there was a logo of Nezha, a fictional character from Chinese literature." https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/05/20/nezha-risc-v-linux-sbc/ [21:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | Nezha RISC-V Linux SBC launched for $99 and up - CNX Software [21:27] *zleap has quit (Quit: Leaving) [21:29] techrights-bot "The channel on Freenode is still active, but may be closed in the near future." No reason to. Be on both if you need to. Fair enough. https://blog.remirepo.net/post/2021/05/20/remirepo-IRC-channel-on-Libera-network [21:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.remirepo.net | #remirepo IRC channel on Libera network - Remi's RPM repository - Blog [21:30] techrights-bot I've seen no strong reason to leave #Freenode ... don't follow the herd. Freenode still works fine. [21:31] techrights-bot #zdnet on behalf of #ibm and #linuxfoundation : MASTER as a word is RACIST! Offensive, insensitive. Also ZDNet, when paid for spam: mastering... mastering... mastering... mastering... https://www.zdnet.com/article/learn-all-about-linux-ubuntu-and-more-for-just-20/ [21:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Learn all about Linux, Ubuntu, and more for just $20 | ZDNet [21:33] techrights-bot #ibm is just making a CARICATURE of otherwise LEGITIMATE race issues. It's trying hard to confuse and distract the public from, e.g. http://techrights.org/2021/04/25/ibm-germany-history/ [21:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Documentary: IBM Founder (Watson) Gave a Nazi Salute, Admired Hitler, Said Hitler Was Doing the Right Thing | Techrights [21:35] techrights-bot #TechRepublic - which is part of #zdnet (a MARKETING firm runs them, NOT a news site!) - is still spamming for #microsoft #azure ... which has LAYOFFS. And they pay a Microsoft operative, Simon Bisson, to do so... [21:36] techrights-bot Linux App Support on #Chromebooks is Coming Out of Beta http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151386#comment-29696 #google too is trying to redefine what #gnu #linux is or means [21:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Chrome OSs Linux app support is leaving beta | Tux Machines [21:38] techrights-bot "I installed #KDENeon on the main studio PC and not really liking it. Let's just go back to Debian and my first livestream install when I had 1,000 subs." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ2Qaar_p_w #kde #gnu #linux [21:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Back to Debian - Distrohop Week - YouTube [21:39] alextee[m] schestowitz__: MinceR https://web.archive.org/web/20201026045337/https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/donate/ [21:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Donate to Support Open Source The Linux Foundation [21:40] alextee[m] this was their main donation page [21:40] alextee[m] clearly says 100% of donations received go towards funding diversity programs. [21:40] MinceR indeed [21:42] techrights-bot #ibm wants you to add complexity. Because it sells. https://developer.ibm.com/blogs/build-smart-on-kubernetes-challenge-think-2021-winners/ [21:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developer.ibm.com | Announcing the winners of the Build Smart on Kubernetes Challenge 2021 IBM Developer [21:43] techrights-bot Audiocasts/Shows: Debian/KDE Neon, #BSDNow , TLLTS, #Slimbook and Ubuntu Podcast http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151397 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [21:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts/Shows: Debian/KDE Neon, BSDNow, TLLTS, Slimbook and Ubuntu Podcast | Tux Machines [21:44] psydroid TechRepublic in the old days [21:44] techrights-bot " #Kubernetes is about giving up control. As someone who likes to understand whats going on thats made it hard for me to embrace it. Ive also mostly been able to ignore it, which has helped. However Im aware its incredibly popular, and theres some infrastructure at work that uses it." https://www.earth.li/~noodles/blog/2021/05/losing-control-to-k8s.html [21:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.earth.li | Losing control to Kubernetes [21:44] psydroid https://www.techrepublic.com/blog/linux-and-open-source/why-does-microsoft-hate-linux/ [21:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why does Microsoft hate Linux? - TechRepublic [21:44] scientes psydroid, is that a question? [21:45] psydroid not mine [21:45] scientes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUrJdsN_-B0 [21:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Gimli Destroys the Ring - YouTube [21:46] MinceR lol [21:48] techrights-bot "#1 thing to do is to stop caring about IBM. The declines will probably continue, and it is hard to watch something you care about die. But the stress is not worth it. So stop caring." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1aWWuTE5#replies #ibm #layoffs [21:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | What should an employee do? - post regarding IBM layoffs [21:52] techrights-bot Both companies are lying. They will say or resell whatever awful "tech" makes them money https://www.biometricupdate.com/202105/amazon-microsoft-say-theyll-do-whats-right-on-biometrics-but-suits-raise-questions see http://techrights.org/2021/04/04/microsoft-nationalism/ [21:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.biometricupdate.com | Amazon, Microsoft say theyll do whats right on biometrics, but suits raise questions | Biometric Update [21:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft: Nationalism As A Service (NaaS) | Techrights [21:53] XRevan86 https://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2021-05/msg01057.html [21:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.xenproject.org | Xen project Mailing List [21:56] techrights-bot "Linux for Chromebooks" http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151386#comment-29699 #Chromebooks #gnu #linux [21:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Chrome OSs Linux app support is leaving beta | Tux Machines [21:56] MinceR is this the same ian jackson as the one who used to be debian project leader? [21:56] MinceR and CTTE member [21:56] XRevan86 MinceR: That would be a reasonable assumption. [21:57] MinceR that one has also signed the hatchet job against RMS [21:57] XRevan86 and left a Debian committee over systemd [21:59] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@2600:1700:8261:417f::e79) has left #techrights ● May 20 [22:00] baronhk[m]1 Not libav? [22:01] *XRevan86 reads https://paste.sr.ht/~ircwright/7e751d2162e4eb27cba25f6f8893c1f38930f7c4 [22:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-crown-prince-getting-owned.txt paste.sr.ht [22:03] XRevan86 > The freenode limited board does not recognize you [22:04] trttl yeah that log with joepie's childish manipulative questions [22:04] baronhk[m]1 LibAV was retarded and exposed people to rotting codecs with security problems and not a lot else before it was finally abandoned. [22:04] trttl that person is the most annoying being on the internet [22:04] baronhk[m]1 Debian makes a lot of bad decisions. [22:05] XRevan86 Freenode didn't recognise the Freenode Board's authority over it. [22:05] techrights-bot Shenandoah garbage collection in #OpenJDK 16: Concurrent reference processing https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2021/05/20/shenandoah-garbage-collection-openjdk-16-concurrent-reference-processing #java #programming [22:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developers.redhat.com | Shenandoah garbage collection in OpenJDK 16: Concurrent reference processing | Red Hat Developer [22:06] baronhk[m]1 Eventually there were so many open CVEs in LibAV that had been fixed in FFmpeg that switching back became an emergency. [22:06] baronhk[m]1 But Debian delayed doing so anyway. [22:08] baronhk[m]1 Meanwhile, they managed to break automated conversation scripts on Debian twice. [22:09] techrights-bot #Graphics : Intel, #NVIDIA and #Mesa http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151399 #Linux #TuxMachines [22:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Graphics: Intel, NVIDIA and Mesa | Tux Machines [22:09] techrights-bot IBM/Red Hat Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151398 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [22:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines [22:10] techrights-bot Browser fuzzing at #Mozilla https://blog.mozilla.org/attack-and-defense/2021/05/20/browser-fuzzing-at-mozilla/ #Firefox #security [22:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Browser fuzzing at Mozilla Attack & Defense [22:14] techrights-bot #Tuxedo Infinity Book Pro 14 is a Linux laptop with Intel Tiger http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151387#comment-29700 #gnu #linux [22:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | TUXEDOs Latest Linux Laptop is All About the Screen | Tux Machines [22:15] MinceR https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/funny-pictures-5-12-21-24.jpg [22:16] *meo (~loldongs@unaffiliated/mikeseth) has left #techrights [22:17] techrights-bot #proprietarySoftware https://www.nextgov.com/podcasts/2021/05/critical-update-do-you-know-whats-your-software/174100/ [22:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Critical Update: Do You Know Whats In Your Software? - Nextgov [22:18] baronhk[m]1 MinceR Dahmer baited gay men and ate them after having sex with them. [22:18] baronhk[m]1 One of them escaped and had been drugged. The cops returned him to Dahmer and we're on tape laughing about it. [22:18] MinceR who is "we"? [22:18] baronhk[m]1 *were [22:18] MinceR oh. [22:18] baronhk[m]1 Fucking autocorrect. [22:19] techrights-bot Same people who worked super-hard to cancel RMS and Torvalds https://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2021-05/msg01057.html [22:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.xenproject.org | Xen project Mailing List [22:19] techrights-bot #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151400 #Linux #TuxMachines [22:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [22:20] baronhk[m]1 To serve and protect. [22:20] MinceR giving humans power over other humans worked out as it usually does [22:21] XRevan86 "Same people who worked super-hard to cancel RMS and Torvalds" proofs? [22:21] baronhk[m]1 About the best you can do with the police is try to avoid drawing their attention. Often even when you're the victim of a crime. [22:21] techrights-bot #Sonoff & #Tuya smart plugs found to transmit unencrypted passwords - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/05/20/sonoff-tuya-smart-plugs-found-to-transmit-unencrypted-passwords/ #security #Hardware #cnxsoftware [22:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | Sonoff & Tuya smart plugs found to transmit unencrypted passwords - CNX Software [22:23] techrights-bot Different buzzwords, very often used in #surveillance context https://ubuntu.com//blog/data-lake-data-lab-data-hub-whats-the-difference [22:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Data Lake, Data Lab, Data Hub: whats the difference? | Ubuntu [22:24] schestowitz__ [21:57] that one has also signed the hatchet job against RMS [22:24] schestowitz__ yes, you beat me to it [22:24] schestowitz__ [22:19] Same people who worked super-hard to cancel RMS and Torvalds https://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2021-05/msg01057.html [22:25] schestowitz__ http://techrights.org/2020/09/03/linus-debconf-linusgate/ [22:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linusgate Leaked: Over 250 Messages About Code of Conduct Complaints Against Linus Torvalds | Techrights [22:25] schestowitz__ " [22:25] schestowitz__ I am told that Linus was sent the CoC. None of the rest of the [22:25] schestowitz__ attendees to Debconf was grilled by the organisers to extract a [22:25] schestowitz__ promise to behave themselves. [22:25] schestowitz__ " [22:25] schestowitz__ -Ian [22:25] schestowitz__ http://schestowitz.com/Selected_Mail/2020/debconf-torvalds-private/msg00171.html [22:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Re: Code of Conduct complaint about Linus's comments at DC14 [22:26] schestowitz__ " [22:26] schestowitz__ I think attacking a specific organisation is worse than attacking a [22:26] schestowitz__ class defined by a behaviour. But I agree that such a statement, put [22:26] schestowitz__ so baldly, would be troublesome. [22:26] schestowitz__ Stefano's talk clearly implied a negative view of some corporations, [22:26] schestowitz__ certainly, and shows that it's possible to be respectful while being [22:26] schestowitz__ passionate, critical, and clear. [22:26] schestowitz__ Ian. [22:26] schestowitz__ " [22:26] schestowitz__ http://schestowitz.com/Selected_Mail/2020/debconf-torvalds-private/msg00013.html [22:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Re: Code of Conduct complaint about Linus's comments at DC14 [22:26] schestowitz__ So... [22:26] schestowitz__ cannot criticise an org? [22:26] schestowitz__ f-ing weird [22:26] schestowitz__ maybe I can be banished for 'badmouthing' racist IBM [22:26] schestowitz__ http://schestowitz.com/Selected_Mail/2020/debconf-torvalds-private/msg00049.html [22:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Re: Code of Conduct complaint about Linus's comments at DC14 [22:26] schestowitz__ " [22:26] schestowitz__ I felt the CoC had been violated and made a complaint. I hope you are [22:26] schestowitz__ not saying that you feel that that was `abuse' of the process on my [22:27] schestowitz__ part, even if you disagree with my opinion. [22:27] schestowitz__ " [22:27] baronhk[m]1 Today in CNN trying to cause a race war... [22:27] schestowitz__ http://schestowitz.com/Selected_Mail/2020/debconf-torvalds-private/msg00245.html [22:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Re: Code of Conduct complaint about Linus's comments at DC14 [22:27] schestowitz__ "My problem was with the _way Linus expressed_ his views of the FSF." [22:27] schestowitz__ WTF? [22:27] schestowitz__ Cannot condemn the FSF? [22:27] schestowitz__ I suppose the FSF, but defend people's right to blast it [22:27] *guysoft42 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [22:27] trttl >I think attacking a specific organisation is worse than attacking a class defined by a behaviour. [22:27] trttl amazing [22:28] schestowitz__ Maybe he worries people will 'badmouth' Citrix [22:28] schestowitz__ as if orgs are races [22:28] schestowitz__ ore genders [22:28] MinceR i 'badmouthed' citrix when i had to use it :> [22:28] schestowitz__ orgs or companies are brnads [22:28] schestowitz__ *brands [22:29] MinceR ica client made rdp look good [22:29] trttl yeah. it's hard to believe that people are actually this confused [22:29] schestowitz__ Citrix is as odious as Ian <-- is this a CoC violation? [22:29] schestowitz__ Notice how they try to control Linus [22:29] schestowitz__ like telling him what he can and cannot say [22:30] schestowitz__ even in the abstract aboyut orgs [22:30] schestowitz__ CoC as ego trip for people who try to police those above them [22:30] schestowitz__ or below them [22:30] schestowitz__ because they are, by definition, well-meaning [22:31] baronhk[m]1 CoC is not well meaning. It's meant to disguise itself that way. [22:31] techrights-bot WTH. Headline: "Microsoft Teams is now invading your personal life" ... Huh? It ALWAYS invaded everything. And it should be unlawful in many contexts, inc. http://techrights.org/2021/03/22/epoleaks-report-march-2021-finale/ #gdpr #microsoft [22:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law Summing Up: EPO Administrative Council Still Asleep at the Wheel | Techrights [22:32] baronhk[m]1 I was confused when I was thrown out of Ubuntu Forums for disparaging comments about a company going against their CoC. [22:32] baronhk[m]1 Like companies had feelings. [22:32] baronhk[m]1 Then I got warned by Fedora that making comments about why people should avoid Nvidia was against their CoC. [22:33] baronhk[m]1 Nvidia will never fix their poorly written driver as long as open source software goes out of its way to hide their bugs for them. [22:33] MinceR "corporations are people, my friend!" [22:33] baronhk[m]1 IBM has been paying people to do just that. [22:34] baronhk[m]1 There are now Nvidia kludges in GNOME, KDE, X, Xwayland, Wayland, various games.... [22:35] techrights-bot "Ubuntu Center on Racism, Global Movements and Population Health Equity." https://drexel.edu/now/archive/2021/May/Drexel-Names-New-Center-on-Racism-and-Health-Center-Director/ intersection between racism and health; seems a little far off, but depends on the country... and its health system. [22:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-drexel.edu | Drexel Names New Center on Racism and Health, Center Director | Now | Drexel University [22:35] baronhk[m]1 The OpenGL and Vulkan libraries are dispatch dummies so that Nvidia will stop overwriting parts of the OS and then not putting things back the way they were. [22:35] techrights-bot #Security and #ProprietarySoftware http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151401 #TuxMachines [22:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security and Proprietary Software | Tux Machines [22:36] baronhk[m]1 The Nvidia installer intentionally broke the OS in a subtle way that people probably would not figure out. It reminded me of AOL breaking Dial Up Networking so you'd need to reinstall Windows to use a different ISP. [22:37] *guysoft42 (~guysoft@2a0d:6fc1:2:1f00:f58d:6648:3d1c:7f4b) has joined #techrights [22:38] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [22:38] baronhk[m]1 They had their 800 number staff trained to not answer questions about how to fix the existing Windows install and immediately go to a hard sell offering you cheaper AOL prices for a few months. [22:38] techrights-bot The worst argument against #UBI https://stop.zona-m.net/2021/05/the-worst-argument-against-ubi/ #Finance [22:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stop.zona-m.net | The worst argument against UBI | Stop at Zona-M [22:40] baronhk[m]1 This is basically the "Why do we care if you have problems after canceling us? You won't be paying us anymore." method. [22:40] techrights-bot Almost 3,000 new #covid19 cases in the #uk today, so it's going up, and rather fast IMHO. Expect another lock-down late summer or autumn, no matter what our chronic liar 'Pry Minister' says (sociopaths with documents) [22:42] schestowitz__ [22:01] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- crown-prince-getting-owned.txt paste.sr.ht [22:42] schestowitz__ The title of this doc is self-harming [22:42] schestowitz__ implied malicious intend and immaturity [22:43] *guysoft42 has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [22:45] schestowitz__ [22:21] "Same people who worked super-hard to cancel RMS and Torvalds" proofs? [22:45] schestowitz__ see IRC further on, with links (about Torvalds; I can add the RMS ones, esp. the GR push) [22:53] techrights-bot Faster Python: Mark Shannon, author of newly endorsed plan, speaks to The Register https://www.theregister.com/2021/05/19/faster_python_mark_shannon_author/ #Python #programming [22:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Faster Python: Mark Shannon, author of newly endorsed plan, speaks to The Register The Register [22:53] MinceR https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/funny-pictures-5-12-21-3.jpg [22:54] trttl it's not self harming. the main feature in their narrative is the character assassination. make him look ridiculous and pathetic on one hand but also evil, vindictive and despicable on the other [22:55] techrights-bot "An open letter in support of Richard Matthew Stallman being reinstated by the Free Software Foundation" now at 6,701 signatures. http://techrights.org/2021/05/18/rms-6700-signatures/ [22:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | 6,700 Signatures in Support of Richard Stallmans Return to the FSFs Board | Techrights [22:56] schestowitz__ [22:54] it's not self harming. the main feature in their narrative is the character assassination. make him look ridiculous and pathetic on one hand but also evil, vindictive and despicable on the other [22:56] schestowitz__ Yeah, I TOTALLY want our IRC channels to be managed by THOSE ->>> people [22:56] schestowitz__ doing things 'for the lols' [22:57] techrights-bot Status update for #MoonGem - #Geminiserver with inline# Lua scripting https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006553.html #geminispace #geminiprotocol [22:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | Status update for MoonGem - Gemini server with inline Lua scripting [22:58] techrights-bot "Yes. But the senior management will mess it up and ibm will not make any money. You just have to look back at watson and watson health. Remember the excitement and awe after the jeopardy game?" #ibm #hype #racistWatson https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1aWjOhh3#replies [22:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Quantum Computing - post regarding IBM layoffs [22:58] techrights-bot Daniel Stenberg: I could rewrite curl https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2021/05/20/i-could-rewrite-curl/ #curl #deletegithub [22:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-I could rewrite curl | daniel.haxx.se [22:59] XRevan86 rasengan: What happened first: registrar account take-over or the resignation letter draught leak? ● May 20 [23:01] techrights-bot Top 10 #GNULinux Distros for #Students http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151402 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [23:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Top 10 Linux Distros for Students | Tux Machines [23:02] techrights-bot "We know #IBM is restructuring and they've set money aside for it. But when are the layoffs going to happen? I see/hear nothing about how many, who, what, where and when. Is the axe likely to fall before end 2Q, 3Q, 4Q or is it one big fake-out?" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1aWJp96w [23:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | So what's going on? - post regarding IBM layoffs [23:03] *tr_guest|6575 (47bfc6ce@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.71.191.198.206) has joined #techrights [23:03] *tr_guest|6575 has quit (Client Quit) [23:05] techrights-bot #GNU #FreeIPMI 1.6.8 Released http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=9997 #feeesw [23:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-savannah.gnu.org | GNU FreeIPMI - News: FreeIPMI 1.6.8 Released [Savannah] [23:06] XRevan86 > (16:49:26) amdj: rasengan: as you've already been told several times, no-one has resigned, and the letters you have were not sent to you by us. wake up. [23:06] techrights-bot New Project To Convert #ArchLinux PKGBUILDs (Repositories and AUR) To DEB Packages And Install Them On Debian / Ubuntu http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151403 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [23:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | New Project To Convert Arch Linux PKGBUILDs (Repositories and AUR) To DEB Packages And Install Them On Debian / Ubuntu | Tux Machines [23:07] XRevan86 The things Andrew wrote in https://paste.sr.ht/~ircwright/7e751d2162e4eb27cba25f6f8893c1f38930f7c4 [23:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-crown-prince-getting-owned.txt paste.sr.ht [23:12] trttl so they were fired? [23:12] techrights-bot A Spooky Cute House - #Krita Digital Painting Timelapse https://www.davidrevoy.com/article844/a-spooky-cute-house-krita-digital-painting-timelapse #KDE #gnu #linux [23:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.davidrevoy.com | A Spooky Cute House - Krita Digital Painting Timelapse - David Revoy [23:13] XRevan86 trttl: Judging by "The freenode limited board does not recognize you as a volunteer or any staff or operator of freenode. Please remove yourself from ops and operator status.", something like that. [23:15] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 21.20 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 71.40 swarm size (avg): 225.14 [23:15] techrights-bot Can a #trademark become misleading because it is transferred to a new owner? Its all a matter of tradition http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/05/can-trade-mark-become-misleading.html #law #trademarks [23:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Can a trade mark become misleading because it is transferred to a new owner? Its all a matter of tradition - The IPKat [23:16] XRevan86 > the infra team is granted access by means of ssh [23:16] XRevan86 > the sponsors own them, but lose access as well (well, direct access, I assume they can walk to their basement and just shut it down) [23:16] techrights-bot "This suggests to me either a lack of understanding of the legal principles underpinning the independence of the judiciary or, more likely, a desire to continue as Chair of the EBA despite the obvious problems of partiality (ie where he would be effectively deciding whether his own actions were in accordance with the EPC). Either way, this is not a good look for the President of the Boards of Appeal." http://patentblo [23:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Could not resolve host: patentblog; Unknown error ( status 0 @ http://patentblog ) [23:18] techrights-bot This is illegal and the #EPO keeps breaking the law while relying on #kangaroocourts to say "OK" https://www.epo.org/news-events/news/2021/20210520.html see http://techrights.org/2021/05/20/nemo-iudex-in-causa-sua/ [23:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.epo.org | EPO - EPO further extends pilot for opposition hearings by VICO [23:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPOs War on Justice and Assault on the Law Part 14: Nemo Iudex in Causa Sua? | Techrights [23:20] schestowitz__ XRevan86: what is going on in your assessment? [23:21] *schestowitz__ still puts together notes for another upcoming update about freenode status [23:21] trttl that's just ridiculous. all public posts the staff members made use the word resignation [23:22] XRevan86 schestowitz__: I'm reading that paste, and the way things look there is Andrew Lee barged in, started claiming that he accepted the "resignation letters" and asked the "resigned" staff to leave. [23:22] techrights-bot "Until #Python 3.8, the best way to read entry points from Python was to use pkg_resources, a somewhat clunky module that is part of setuptools." https://opensource.com/article/21/5/python-38-features [23:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Make your API better with this positional trick from Python 3.8 | Opensource.com [23:22] schestowitz__ XRevan86: whose paste is it? [23:22] schestowitz__ based on the headline, there might be missing context [23:22] XRevan86 schestowitz__: It's from #freenode [23:22] schestowitz__ to suit sme narrative [23:22] XRevan86 No, it's a very verbose paste. [23:23] XRevan86 Almost too much, I have to read a lot of off-topic. [23:23] schestowitz__ I see... [23:23] schestowitz__ things omitted near the edges might still be important [23:23] schestowitz__ people tend to cut things where to suits them [23:23] XRevan86 Just two hours of #freenode, raw. [23:23] schestowitz__ happens a lot in video footage [23:23] schestowitz__ XRevan86: ok, fair enough [23:24] XRevan86 schestowitz__: It doesn't look like it's missing context. [23:24] XRevan86 the first message in it looks like a starting announcement [23:24] XRevan86 and then whatthehecks [23:25] MinceR (cat) https://ircz.de/p/21032929 [23:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (5355134) [23:26] techrights-bot Remap your Caps Lock key on #Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151404 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [23:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Remap your Caps Lock key on Linux | Tux Machines [23:30] schestowitz__ MinceR: <3 [23:32] XRevan86 schestowitz__: I still have no idea who that tomaw person is. He is barely even mentioned in third person. [23:32] schestowitz__ Tom A W [23:32] schestowitz__ I was told about him last month [23:33] XRevan86 I also don't know what happened at Snoonet [23:33] XRevan86 they say Andrew Lee was involved in some controversy there some time ago [23:35] schestowitz__ [Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:15:21 BST] and was approached by tom wesley (board at OFTC) [23:35] schestowitz__ [Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:15:26 BST] who asked me about my role in the RMS thing [23:35] schestowitz__ [Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:15:31 BST] since i did some PR counter-campaign work [23:35] schestowitz__ [Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:15:43 BST] i told him what i knew and was informed he was going to issue a kline by him [23:35] schestowitz__ [Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:15:54 BST] when he did he issued it for both networks [23:35] schestowitz__ [Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:15:59 BST] as he is staff at both networks now [23:35] schestowitz__ [Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:16:17 BST] i connected to oftc by proxy to talk to their staff [23:35] schestowitz__ [Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:16:25 BST] tomaw had doug freed (dwfreed) step in [23:35] schestowitz__ [Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:16:31 BST] who reissued the kline [23:35] schestowitz__ [Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:16:36 BST] and it expired at oftc [23:35] schestowitz__ [Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:16:41 BST] and i cleared it up w/ freenode [23:35] schestowitz__ [Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:16:47 BST] by talking to their staff [23:35] schestowitz__ [Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:34:32 BST] it consistently ties back to debian and their sphere of influence which includes tom wesley, doug freed, and some of the other freenode staff -- not all of them. freenode's official position will probably stay neutral while these bad actors run amok [23:36] schestowitz__ [Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:17:00 BST] until today dwfreed approached me again [23:36] schestowitz__ [Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:17:10 BST] and issued a kline with no explanation other than "harassment, lol" [23:36] schestowitz__ [Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:17:20 BST] and this kline was once again on both oftc and freenode [23:36] schestowitz__ [Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:17:31 BST] i have worked it out w/ oftc but not freenode yet [23:36] schestowitz__ like I said, you need to know who's who... [23:36] schestowitz__ freenode is not a monolith [23:36] baronhk[m]1 schestowitz Did you see where Apple admitted there was quite a bit of malware on the Mac in court? [23:36] schestowitz__ some people are in frreenode and ubuntu council at the same time [23:37] XRevan86 schestowitz__: I don't see anything out of the ordinary here. [23:37] schestowitz__ so they have mixed obligations and loyalties [23:37] baronhk[m]1 The Chief of Security for the company says quite a few friends of his ended up with malware on their Macs. [23:37] baronhk[m]1 He told the judge that if they lifted the app store lockdown then the same thing would happen to iOS. [23:39] baronhk[m]1 Gatekeeper on the Mac can be turned off from the terminal. In the default state, however, you can't install anything that isn't either from the app store or at least signed by Apple. [23:39] baronhk[m]1 Most Mac malware just figures out how to get around signing by tricking Apple into giving them a developer certificate. [23:40] baronhk[m]1 So Gatekeeper doesn't do much. It prevents people from running random binaries they found somewhere unless that attacker is determined to evade signing by abusing Apple's process, which does happen. [23:41] XRevan86 > (17:09:090 Fuchs: MIF: the one that got leaked via hacker news and techrights, https://fuchsnet.ch/privat/fn-resign-letter.txt basically [23:41] XRevan86 an unexpected techrights mention [23:41] techrights-bot 2 months after #suse decided to libel the founder of #gnu #linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151326#comment-29706 [23:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SUSE and SUSECON Leftovers | Tux Machines [23:43] schestowitz__ XRevan86: I talked to him about it over email [23:43] XRevan86 > (17:11:07) badastronaut: rasengan: you do realize you stand alone here right? no one is on your side, no one believes your words over people who pour their hearts and souls into freenode for decades. if you do this you'll be left with network you don't know how to operate with no help and few servers, left holding the pieces of the thing you destroyed [23:43] techrights-bot #PostgreSQL 14 Beta 1 Released! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151405 #psql #postgres [23:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PostgreSQL 14 Beta 1 Released! | Tux Machines [23:45] XRevan86 (17:13:38) zoite: A_D, he also hired rdv [nirvana], the previous owner of snoonet, which was found to be logging and spying on users private messages to eachother over the network [23:46] XRevan86 That's the person from the Ariadne's logs. [23:46] techrights-bot #LibreELEC (Matrix) 10.0 BETA3 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151406 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [23:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreELEC (Matrix) 10.0 BETA3 | Tux Machines [23:47] techrights-bot "I do have some amd64 hardware revived and it is running Xubuntu Impish Indri. It is very early on so it is not as if there has been any opportunity for anything to go wrong." http://coyote.works//say-what-now.html [23:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-coyote.works | Say What Now? [23:47] rasengan XRevan86: KindOne faked it; he was never spying on users. He admitted it on irc a few days ago. Terrible. [23:48] XRevan86 rasengan: How to fake that? [23:49] rasengan XRevan86: The log 'where he spoke about it' was faked. [23:49] schestowitz__ logging and spying are connected and I assume freenode does log. Not a new thing, not limited to freenode [23:49] schestowitz__ in general, posting sensitive things in IRC isn't wise [23:49] schestowitz__ unless you control the network [23:50] rasengan freenode the network isn't logging, but anyone in any channel could be anyway. [23:50] schestowitz__ thanks [23:50] schestowitz__ PIA was found not to be logging [23:50] schestowitz__ so for the time being I might even assume it's "just as good" (or bad) as prior to 2019 [23:51] techrights-bot Man-made concepts crash and burn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrqHVeus4FA [23:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-My Thoughts On The Recent Crypto Crash - YouTube [23:51] XRevan86 rasengan: So it's slander? [23:51] *schestowitz__ doesn't trust random pastes [23:51] rasengan Yes [23:54] schestowitz__ XRevan86: that's not a reliable paste given its title [23:54] schestowitz__ it's motivated by intention to malign, not inform [23:54] schestowitz__ WTF/ https://marketresearchtelecast.com/irc-network-freenode-is-dead-long-live-libera-chat/48768/ [23:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-marketresearchtelecast.com | IRC network: Freenode is dead - long live Libera Chat! - Market Research Telecast [23:55] MinceR https://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/hit-on-you.jpg [23:55] XRevan86 schestowitz__: I think rasengan will confirm that the paste is a one-to-one copy of #freenode from the designated time. And the first line in it is probably the first post by rasengan there. [23:55] schestowitz__ HVS is dead long live BETAMAX! [23:55] schestowitz__ VHS [23:55] XRevan86 I've somehow managed to understand even less than before. [23:56] MinceR negative information? :> [23:56] XRevan86 overwhemling, I don't know what to trust, especially considering the inherent subjectivity of the whole situation [23:57] XRevan86 Human relations are in the equation. [23:57] MinceR https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ad/Strife_box_cover.jpg [23:57] MinceR :> [23:58] baronhk[m]1 I don't really care as long as I don't get dmca letters. [23:59] kingoffrance not sure i follow (or is that the unreliable paste?) "who asked me about my role in the RMS thing" "since i did some PR counter-campaign work [Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:15:43 BST] i told him what i knew and was informed he was going to issue a kline by him" <-- is this someone who was supposedly klined for defending RMS? "counter-campaign" ?