●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Sunday, June 20, 2021 ●● ● Jun 20 [00:16] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@vhqbitmpxhgdg.irc) has joined #techrights [00:17] schestowitz DaemonFC: I have extended to length of logs [00:17] schestowitz in http://techrights.org/irc [00:17] schestowitz 1070 lines [00:17] DaemonFC "Sat 22:46:11 [activelow] And this is the loophole: the abandoned social legislation was replaced with the common ideological lunacy (gender,race,climate, etc) to match workers with jobs" [00:17] schestowitz and it shows the day of the week to avoid confusion [00:18] schestowitz DaemonFC: don't talk about race here [00:18] schestowitz take it to social [00:18] DaemonFC According to LeVar Burton, accountability culture means if you have an unpopular opinion, good luck getting a job to feed yourself with. [00:18] DaemonFC They'll plaster what you say on Facebook all over your company's Shitter or something and you're gone. [00:19] DaemonFC It doesn't even matter if you said it at work or on company time or in your work uniform or not. [00:19] DaemonFC mjg59 is safe on Shitter because he has the prevailing odious opinions. [00:20] schestowitz OK, now back on topic [00:20] schestowitz I just upload a video at the moment [00:20] schestowitz it's about patent courts [00:20] CrystalMath today i accidentally tried to launch schestowitz instead of schismtracker [00:21] schestowitz lol [00:21] DaemonFC They claim to be very progressive at tech companies but many of them post under pseudonyms on places like the daily stormer because they need to purge. [00:21] schestowitz what is schismtracker? [00:21] CrystalMath some music tracker software :) [00:21] schestowitz schism [00:21] CrystalMath but you know you're on techrights too much when you do something like that [00:22] schestowitz which reminds me, it has been weeks since Tim was available to record TechBytes [00:22] schestowitz we'll get back to it soon, he has kids [00:22] DaemonFC Cancel Culture and not worrying about how blue collar workers are getting along will eventually bite off more than it can chew when the next insurrection succeeds. [00:22] schestowitz we have some music tracks for future shows [00:22] DaemonFC Roy compared the first one to a dress rehearsal. [00:23] schestowitz they say the first coup often fails [00:23] DaemonFC It was only hours old and the only reason it went on that long is because the sitting president was in the White House laughing about it and refusing to call in law enforcement. [00:23] schestowitz but then it happens again [00:24] schestowitz and they learn from the error of the firsy [00:24] schestowitz The US now has its own Krystalnacht [00:24] DaemonFC I was sitting here watching going "What do you mean the state governors are sending in the National Guard?". [00:25] schestowitz Kristallnacht [00:25] schestowitz I knew I had spelled it wrong. [00:25] DaemonFC That's unprecedented. States having to occupy the federal district. [00:25] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht [00:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Kristallnacht - Wikipedia [00:26] DaemonFC Legally, there's no way they can do that. The president has to request their help, and he was sitting there watching Fox News laughing while those people tore up Congress. [00:26] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives [00:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Night of the Long Knives - Wikipedia [00:27] schestowitz anyway DaemonFC, it's not what this channel is supposed to be for [00:27] DaemonFC Parler's back. [00:27] DaemonFC Apple pretty much just let them back in when it figured nobody was looking anymore. [00:28] DaemonFC Although I'm sure there's a reason for that. It's obviously a honeypot now. [00:28] saint_dogbert/fn also helped when documents came to light that Parler had been cooperating with the FBI [00:29] schestowitz Apple worries more about its image [00:29] schestowitz not politics [00:29] schestowitz profits [00:29] DaemonFC Yeah, when it's their ass in the sling or yours, watch how fast they turn you over. [00:40] MinceR (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVYqB0uTKlE [00:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why the UK is in the EU - YouTube [00:46] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/06/19/epo-eba-court-of-public-opinion/ [00:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPOs Enlarged Board of Appeal Has Already Lost the Case in the Court of Public Opinion | Techrights [00:47] schestowitz Ariadne: just remember that tech issues aren't typically a purely political things and framing them as such distracts us from mostly apolitical (in the wing sense) matters [00:47] schestowitz such as patents, which aren't a wing thing, but bipartisan business-led thing [00:48] schestowitz FN/LC became a partly political thing, not a technical thing [00:48] schestowitz at first I thought it was just LC [00:48] schestowitz and now it turns out the same is true for FN [00:49] schestowitz because the beans got spilled in the open [00:49] schestowitz which is why we're interested in neither [00:49] MinceR oftc is the same as lc [00:49] schestowitz both are not hospitable to some views, and that can also be slanted based on politics [00:49] schestowitz to justify manipulation of the discourse [00:49] schestowitz MinceR: yes, same staff [00:49] schestowitz former freenode staff (overlap) [00:50] schestowitz oftc is fanta [00:50] schestowitz to coke [00:50] schestowitz another brand [00:50] schestowitz for some purposes [00:54] techrights-bot/fn #Debian 10.10 release 202106191548 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152468 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian 10.10 release 202106191548 | Tux Machines [00:55] techrights-bot/fn #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152469 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [00:55] techrights-bot/fn #Debian GNU/Linux 10.10 Buster Released with 55 Security Updates and 81 Bug Fixes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152470 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian GNU/Linux 10.10 Buster Released with 55 Security Updates and 81 Bug Fixes | Tux Machines [00:56] techrights-bot/fn ##HowTo Make #LibreOffice Look Like Microsoft Office http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152471 #TuxMachines [00:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to Make LibreOffice Look Like Microsoft Office | Tux Machines [00:56] techrights-bot/fn Virtual Injustice Part 12: Carl Josefsson Down But Not Out! http://techrights.org/2021/06/19/carl-josefsson-in-the-shadows/ #epo #corruption #kangaroocourts #patent #haar [00:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Virtual Injustice Part 12: Carl Josefsson Down But Not Out! | Techrights [00:56] techrights-bot/fn The EPOs Enlarged Board of Appeal Has Already Lost the Case in the Court of Public Opinion http://techrights.org/2021/06/19/epo-eba-court-of-public-opinion/ #epo #eboa #patents #europe #patent ● Jun 20 [01:01] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [01:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 28.55 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 14.21 swarm size (avg): 298.53 [01:07] techrights-bot/fn #ibm - by buying #redhat - infiltrated #gnu and now vainly claims that GNU is IBM and thus IBM et al can tell the #FSF who should run FSF and GNU. #entryism [01:09] techrights-bot/fn #freesoftware is an incredibly valuable assets, says Leonid Radvinsky https://thebossmagazine.com/understanding-open-source-funding/ [01:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thebossmagazine.com | Understanding open source funding: how investors like Leonid Radvinsky are helping the movement | BOSS Magazine [01:11] techrights-bot/fn Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152472 [01:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [01:15] techrights-bot/fn Theme Hospital game engine reimplementation #CorsixTH 0.65 is out now | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/theme-hospital-game-engine-reimplementation-corsixth-065-is-out-now #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games [01:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Theme Hospital game engine reimplementation CorsixTH 0.65 is out now | GamingOnLinux [01:15] techrights-bot/fn Today in #Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152473 [01:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines [01:16] techrights-bot/fn #GemRB 0.9.0, the game engine reimplementation for the likes of Baldur's Gate | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/gemrb-090-the-game-engine-reimplementation-for-the-likes-of-baldurs-gate #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games [01:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GemRB 0.9.0, the game engine reimplementation for the likes of Baldur's Gate | GamingOnLinux [01:17] techrights-bot/fn Free and open source evolution game Thrive 0.5.4 is out now with cell colonies | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/free-and-open-source-evolution-game-thrive-054-is-out-now-with-cell-colonies #deletegithub #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware #monopoly [01:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Free and open source evolution game Thrive 0.5.4 is out now with cell colonies | GamingOnLinux [01:17] techrights-bot/fn Why do #youtube channels keep selling out with #marketing BS? Or with loaded titles? Maybe underproduction? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKCtKVY_g48 [01:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Slimbook Titan - a Portable Powerhouse running Linux - YouTube [01:18] techrights-bot/fn "I use terminals for a lot of what I do and technically a terminal can be used to do everything you could ever want but unless you're insane a mouse and a GUI is sometimes just more convenient." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KlF0yY6DXo [01:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Terminals Are Amazing But Not For Everything - YouTube [01:19] techrights-bot/fn " #RedcoreLinux is a distribution based on #Gentoo but aims to provide a user-friendly installation. #Redcore targets the casual Linux user but is also appropriate for power users. It comes with #KDE Plasma and a nice suite of programs including gaming, multimedia and office software." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFs9accYV2c [01:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Redcore Linux Makes Gentoo User Friendly - YouTube [01:21] techrights-bot/fn Personal views on the sordid state of the Enlarged Board of Appeal (EBoA), which by extension bodes poorly for the perception of independence in every Board of Appeal (BoA) http://techrights.org/2021/06/19/epo-eba-court-of-public-opinion/ #Techrights #EPO #Europe #Corruption #Patents | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights. 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DimStar (Dim*) [01:40] techrights-bot/fn Don't allow people who work/ed for evil corporations like #intel #microsoft #google and #ibm lecture you about #ethics .... more likely those are just blatant projection tactics [01:41] techrights-bot/fn #ibm is in a freefall and most tech companies are still operating in debt, i.e. they're failing companies propped up by VCs or their own governments (public purse/taxpayers bailing them out, annually) [01:42] techrights-bot/fn #Pittsburgh Resilient Coders is bringing its free and equity-minded coding bootcamp to Pittsburgh - Technical.ly Pittsburgh https://technical.ly/pittsburgh/2021/06/17/resilient-coders-free-bootcamp/ #programming | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/20/#latest [01:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Technical.ly Pittsburgh Resilient Coders is bringing its free and equity-minded coding bootcamp to Pittsburgh - Technical.ly Pittsburgh [01:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [01:43] DaemonFC https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/21/06/19/2122221/some-texans-surprised-their-smart-thermostats-are-being-raised-remotely [01:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hardware.slashdot.org | Some Texans Surprised Their Smart Thermostats Are Being Raised Remotely - Slashdot [01:43] DaemonFC schestowitz, Backdoored thermostats = Smart. [01:43] techrights-bot/fn "POISON"... "COFFIN"... this is classic #dailyFail ... remember what awful and tasteless things they did about #corbyn https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9704175/DAN-HODGES-Whos-spreading-poison-final-nail-Keir-Starmers-coffin.html [01:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailymail.co.uk | DAN HODGES: Who's spreading the poison that could put the final nail in Keir Starmer's coffin? | Daily Mail Online [01:43] DaemonFC Have fun roasting under the Texas sun for a chance to win a small prize. :) [01:44] techrights-bot/fn #OpenMediaVault : #OMV6 preview is available http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152476 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OpenMediaVault: OMV6 preview is available | Tux Machines [01:44] schestowitz DaemonFC: smart means "intelligent" [01:44] schestowitz as in intel agencies [01:44] schestowitz they love those things [01:45] schestowitz they even have a complete log of when you were home and out of home [01:45] DaemonFC Nobody can control my air conditioner except me. [01:45] schestowitz that too can be used as evidence in conviction [01:45] DaemonFC It's gotta be from at least the 1980s. [01:45] schestowitz "according to your "smart meter" you could not possibly be at home..." [01:45] DaemonFC My "smart meter" wouldn't register much of a difference either way. [01:45] DaemonFC My laptop uses, at most, 28 watts. [01:46] techrights-bot/fn #surveillance #smartShit #backdoor #remotecontrol #oppression https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/21/06/19/2122221/some-texans-surprised-their-smart-thermostats-are-being-raised-remotely [01:46] DaemonFC But usually more like ~10 maybe? [01:47] schestowitz makes sense [01:47] schestowitz what I like about laptops is, no need to UPS [01:47] schestowitz but the router can come down in outages [01:48] schestowitz though it only impacts connectivity [01:48] schestowitz now in summer I can also take a small laptop to the back and get some stuff done in the sun [01:48] kingoffrance well, that is supposedly something they can do even without smart things. power usage, water bill, etc. smart just makes it easier perhaps [01:48] DaemonFC They're all reasonably fast now. [01:48] DaemonFC Intel more than doubled the GPU speed in Tiger Lake vs. previously. [01:49] schestowitz my energy supplier sent an alarming email some days ago [01:49] DaemonFC So it's more than fast enough to run something like GTA V or Borderlands 3. [01:49] schestowitz saying I hadn't sent readings for 10 months [01:49] DaemonFC Even cranked up pretty high. [01:49] kingoffrance that was supposedly what "PROMIS" could do, coordinate all that [01:49] schestowitz they know darn well they need to send out a person, as they did 2 months ago [01:49] schestowitz and we PAY EXTRA for it [01:49] kingoffrance and that was like late 80s, early 90s supposedly, used to track terrorists supposedly [01:49] DaemonFC and we PAY EXTRA for it [01:49] schestowitz I should rant aboyt this pubicly, wait... [01:49] DaemonFC Wow, paying for something you don't get. Modern! [01:50] DaemonFC schestowitz, We went by McDonalds today for the first time in a while. I just didn't feel like cooking anything. [01:50] DaemonFC So the lobby is closed because everyone is on unemployment. [01:50] DaemonFC COVID is basically gone, and the lobby could legally open with nobody wearing masks anymore, except nobody will apply. [01:51] DaemonFC So we get in the drive thru, going clear around the restaurant, which at least did move reasonably fast. [01:51] DaemonFC And the guy working there didn't know what a "Classic Big Mac Pack" was. That's something they had on their menu like a month ago, and you can still order it even though it's not listed anymore. [01:52] techrights-bot/fn Our energy supplier, #eON (which we NEVER chose, it took over #npower really!) sent an alarming email some days ago, saying we hadn't sent meter readings for 10 months (false)... they know darn well they need to send out a person, who last did this 2 months ago. This is what we asked for and we PAY EXTRA for it. They should stop intimidating clients who ALREADY pay extra for SERVICE. [01:52] DaemonFC So I had to get his manager to explain to him how to ring that up. [01:53] schestowitz you pay extra to NOT get something [01:53] schestowitz which they say is "free" [01:53] schestowitz and you become the products [01:53] DaemonFC How do you still have electric if they haven't sent you a bill in 10 months? [01:53] DaemonFC Shouldn't you have noticed that it was piling up and you didn't get bills, or do they estimate them? [01:54] schestowitz I've been fighting this excessive 'tech' creep a lot lately [01:54] schestowitz http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/06/15/brexit-systemic-racism/ [01:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com Blog Archive National Government and Local Councils Give the Middle Finger to EU Citizens Long Settled in the United Kingdom [01:54] schestowitz http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/06/12/uk-home-office-eu-mobile/ [01:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Ongoing Investigation: Does the UK Home Office Force EU Citizens to Carry Around Tracking Devices? [01:54] MinceR "No John, you are the demons" [01:54] schestowitz Older: http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/04/21/manchester-town-hall-complaint/ [01:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Manchester Town Hall Complaint (Updated) [01:54] schestowitz DaemonFC: it was false [01:54] schestowitz they did check 2 months ago [01:54] DaemonFC They don't feel like coming out and so the guy goes fuck it and estimates a reading. [01:54] schestowitz and charged us like twice over [01:55] DaemonFC Says there was a dog or something. [01:55] schestowitz for incorrect estimates of theirs [01:55] schestowitz maybe they sent out 'template' emails [01:55] schestowitz we never sent them readings [01:55] schestowitz it's not my job [01:55] schestowitz BTW, I never used 'self-checkout' either [01:55] schestowitz if they force me to, goodbye [01:55] DaemonFC Communist Edison has a method to email them your meter readings if you don't have a smart meter. [01:55] DaemonFC But they really lean on you to get a smart meter. [01:56] DaemonFC Charging you a different rate if you don't. [01:56] DaemonFC Plus you don't get "voltage optimization". [01:56] schestowitz they now say govermment regulation will force you to [01:56] schestowitz some time in like 4 years [01:56] schestowitz but if enough of us reject it, that will never pull it off [01:56] schestowitz same for cash rejection [01:56] DaemonFC Apparently, optimization can save you 10% of your electric bill. [01:56] schestowitz they mostly use lies and FUD [01:56] schestowitz to intimidate people [01:56] DaemonFC It used to be something they could only do for industrial customers. [01:56] schestowitz the estimates "MIGHT BE WRONG" [01:57] schestowitz you "MAY BE OVERPAYING" [01:57] schestowitz they don't say underpaying [01:57] schestowitz which is also a possibility [01:57] DaemonFC Electric has been the one bit of good news in the last 20 years in this country. [01:57] DaemonFC Despite the cost of everything else doubling or tripling, electric bills tend to cost half of what they did. [01:58] schestowitz we mostly use electricity for our computers. And appliances that aren't kitchen. [01:58] schestowitz 10 screens give me enough light, I rarely turn the bulbs on [01:58] DaemonFC A lot of the savings are just things not using much power anymore. [01:58] DaemonFC No more CRTs for monitors and TVs, more people using laptops or phones and tablets, LCD lighting. [01:59] schestowitz yes, laptops are more efficient [01:59] schestowitz they have to be [01:59] schestowitz because of battery life benchmarks [01:59] schestowitz they are also quieter [01:59] DaemonFC It's not worth it to run inefficient electric generation anymore. [01:59] DaemonFC So coal is going belly up. [01:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 27.98 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 10.56 swarm size (avg): 299.03 [01:59] schestowitz esp. SSD ones [01:59] schestowitz 4 laptops at 20 watts are less than some bulbs [01:59] activelow electricity is only ~20% of total energy requirements, and private households again is only ~20% of total electricity consumed [01:59] schestowitz the brighter bulbs [01:59] DaemonFC Yeah, one reason I switched away from hard drives in 2016. ● Jun 20 [02:00] schestowitz flatscreens are about the same [02:00] schestowitz and they don't emit tons of heat and radiation like CRTs did [02:00] schestowitz rianne still uses a magnetic storage laptop [02:00] DaemonFC Even though my TV is a 4K set and 55" diameter, it uses less than 25% as much power as a 25 inch CRT used to. [02:01] DaemonFC Plus you can move it without tearing yourself a new hernia. [02:01] schestowitz lol [02:01] activelow that's why the data published about renewable energy is fraudulent, since it accounts for private households only (excluding industrial grid), and it accounts for electricity only (excluding petrol, heating etc) [02:01] schestowitz I got a screen free 3 days ago [02:02] schestowitz a friend no longer used his third monitor and wanted me to have it [02:02] schestowitz you can also buy second hand ones cheaply here [02:02] schestowitz 20-30 pounds [02:02] DaemonFC My dad tries to run everything he owns into the ground. [02:02] schestowitz less than your grocery basket [02:02] DaemonFC I told him my car has almost 300,000 miles on it and before he could say anything, Jan said hers has over half a million. [02:02] schestowitz Felta felt like he should not waste [02:03] schestowitz rianne's dad still drives a car from 1994 iirc [02:03] DaemonFC Well, it does make sense to just keep replacing a part here or there at what cars cost now. [02:03] DaemonFC Illinois passed more used car taxes on top of that. [02:03] schestowitz when you're old you might not want a brand new cars [02:03] DaemonFC They'll skin you alive on taxes and fees and everything. [02:03] schestowitz you drive until the old car stops working or becomes a "write-off" [02:04] DaemonFC At some point, something so bad happens to it that you sell the title for scrap. [02:04] DaemonFC They hand you a check for like $300-400 and you have done with it. [02:04] DaemonFC I figure I have a few years before we're there with the Impala. [02:04] kingoffrance MinceR, thats why you stick with flynn :) https://web.archive.org/web/20070101211201/http://horus.comlab.uni-rostock.de/flynn/ [02:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | GKrellflynn [02:04] schestowitz govs should subsidise repairs of old cars [02:05] schestowitz but the automobile industry would lobby hard against that [02:05] activelow the "write-off" for electronics is too short, 3 years iirc in germany [02:05] DaemonFC Illinois doesn't. They charge an extra tax now on a used car to penalize you for buying one. [02:05] DaemonFC The used car dealers were fucking pissed. [02:05] DaemonFC I was talking to my mechanic. I said, "But I'll bet that was good for your business.". [02:06] DaemonFC Think about it. The government adds an extra $750-$1,000 penalty for buying a used car on top of the registration, title, and 10% sales tax. [02:06] schestowitz not the same [02:06] DaemonFC You may buy a used car, but once you do you don't want to pay that again for a while, so there's more incentive to fix it. [02:06] schestowitz not subsidising repairs [02:06] schestowitz the subsidies can prevent people looking to grow demand for more manufacturing [02:06] schestowitz extraction, pollution [02:07] schestowitz and for old cars that subsidy can be small [02:07] schestowitz like $500 for some car part [02:07] DaemonFC Yes, it's less wasteful to just patch them up. [02:07] schestowitz to give it another 3 years on the road [02:07] schestowitz 160 dollars a year [02:07] DaemonFC Other than a brake job this year, I've had to replace a tie rod end, a wheel bearing, and two stuts on the front axle. [02:07] schestowitz 13 dollars a month [02:07] schestowitz less than 50 cents a day [02:07] schestowitz and a lot less pollution [02:08] DaemonFC With modern high precision manufacturing, you'd think that engines would be running longer than ever, but they don't. [02:08] MinceR kingoffrance: lol [02:18] saint_dogbert/fn I dunno... I've got two with over 250,000 miles on them and still running strong [02:18] techrights-bot/fn #Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152477 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [02:18] saint_dogbert/fn never had to do anything but tuneups and clutches [02:19] saint_dogbert/fn One I can prove with a photo of the digital odometer [02:19] MinceR no oil changes? :> [02:19] saint_dogbert/fn if you want a photo [02:19] saint_dogbert/fn there is that stuff... not that many people seem to believe in oil changes [02:19] MinceR lol [02:19] saint_dogbert/fn used to be a mechanic at a dealer... can't tell you how many people put off changing the oil [02:20] saint_dogbert/fn one woman bought a car brand new off the lot. put 60,000 miles on it without ever changing or adding oil [02:20] saint_dogbert/fn then got upset when the engine seized [02:20] MinceR lol [02:20] saint_dogbert/fn she got livid when she found out the warranty doesn't cover that nonsense [02:21] saint_dogbert/fn still can't figure out how she got 60,000 out of it under those conditions. I thought at most, 15000 [02:21] techrights-bot/fn Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152478 [02:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [02:22] techrights-bot/fn Links 20/6/2021: #Debian GNU/Linux 10.10 Buster Released and LF Revisionism Resumes http://techrights.org/2021/06/19/lf-revisionism-resumes/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/19/lf-revisionism-resumes/ [02:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 20/6/2021: Debian GNU/Linux 10.10 Buster Released and LF Revisionism Resumes | Techrights [02:23] DaemonFC then got upset when the engine seized [02:23] DaemonFC We had one of them down the street when I was a kid. [02:23] schestowitz wow, half a million plus miles on two cars [02:23] schestowitz incredible [02:23] DaemonFC They were like "Stupid piece of shit, nobody told us anything about oil changes.". [02:23] saint_dogbert/fn seriously... lemme go grab a photo of the odometer [02:23] schestowitz go round the globe how many times, on tough terrain too, suboptimal conditions... [02:24] MinceR well, nowadays the car tells you about the oil change, if it's new enough :> [02:24] DaemonFC Mine does it in the middle of oil changes. [02:24] MinceR lol [02:24] DaemonFC I run it on synthetic and it just goes herr derrr it's been 3,000 miles derp. [02:24] MinceR mine did it something like a month early or so [02:24] schestowitz it's like al budy [02:24] schestowitz wbundy [02:24] schestowitz *bundy [02:24] schestowitz with that meter [02:24] schestowitz before the car went off the garage by accident [02:25] DaemonFC It's not technically oil, either. [02:25] DaemonFC It's that gas to liquid stuff. [02:25] schestowitz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-KIAiO-Pqg [02:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Married with Children The Dodge is Gone - YouTube [02:25] DaemonFC I had to use Amazon last month. I rarely do. [02:26] DaemonFC Walmart was out of air filters that fit my car and the auto parts store wanted $17..... [02:27] DaemonFC Mom left the old fuel filter on there for so long that the car started stalling out soon after I got it. [02:27] DaemonFC THey had to replace part of the fuel line that ran between the filter and the pump because it had rusted onto the line. [02:29] DaemonFC I'll probably have them do the serpenting belt next oil change. [02:29] DaemonFC I'm pretty sure that's been on there for like 14 years now. [02:29] DaemonFC *serpentine [02:30] DaemonFC I started having power steering problems earlier this year, but they went away after I had some suspension work done on the front end. [02:31] DaemonFC https://news.slashdot.org/story/21/06/19/0026235/california-defies-expectations-of-doom-promises-massive-tax-rebate [02:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.slashdot.org | California Defies Expectations of Doom, Promises Massive Tax Rebate - Slashdot [02:31] DaemonFC State with highest taxes by far says you can have a $600 rebate this year to coincide with the governor's recall. [02:31] DaemonFC What a coincidence. [02:32] schestowitz bagira: why the DM? [02:32] schestowitz a lot has happened lately, inc. the loss of the FN database [02:32] DaemonFC MinceR, It's good to be king. [02:33] DaemonFC Hey, I know you guys are pissed about the French Laundry incident. [02:33] schestowitz data is very important [02:33] DaemonFC But here's some of your own money back. [02:33] DaemonFC Please remember who gave it to you in the voting booth! [02:33] MinceR :) [02:34] schestowitz [02:32] just curious, would you be interested in contributing to the new freenode community news site? [02:34] schestowitz a lot in FN keeps breaking [02:35] schestowitz inc. the kiwi-irc widget [02:35] schestowitz today I saw it was partly restored [02:35] schestowitz but still not fully functional [02:35] schestowitz FN needs to assure people their data is safe [02:35] schestowitz both privacy-wide and integration-wise [02:35] schestowitz I spent 6 hours last Tuesday having to rebuild everything [02:36] schestowitz and FN did not inform anyone about the upcoming/ongoing changes [02:36] schestowitz clarity is needed [02:37] techrights-bot/fn *** *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-190621.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-190621.txt Read the log now... [02:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell-social @ FreeNode: Saturday, June 19, 2021 [02:38] DaemonFC The Lincoln Park Zoo is open again. They don't stop you from bringing in food and drinks and it's free and open all year. [02:38] DaemonFC They get people from out of town by not mentioning that you'll pay $40-50 to park there. [02:38] techrights-bot/fn *** *** Yesterday's #techrights IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-190621.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-190621.txt Read the log now... [02:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Saturday, June 19, 2021 [02:38] DaemonFC And on really expensive food if you don't bring your own.... [02:39] schestowitz if they allow you [02:39] schestowitz they're becoming like movie theatres [02:39] techrights-bot/fn *** *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell IRC logs ready. 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[02:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techbytes @ FreeNode: Saturday, June 19, 2021 [02:40] saint_dogbert/fn The other is a '93 ford escort, but the odometer rolls over to 0 at 100,000 so I can't prove how many times thats flipped [02:40] DaemonFC 2006 Buick....So there's a chance that it still has the 3800 V6? [02:41] saint_dogbert/fn it is [02:41] saint_dogbert/fn original [02:41] DaemonFC I have one in the Impala. [02:41] saint_dogbert/fn not rebuilt and the only engine item outside of normal tuneup to be replaced is the timing chain [02:41] schestowitz must be a lot of long-dustance travel then [02:41] schestowitz like 1000 miles in a week [02:41] schestowitz [02:35] on second thought, perhaps inviting someone who shares private messages publicly without permission is an error [02:41] techrights-bot/fn *** *** Yesterday's bulletin ready. http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2021-06-19.txt [02:42] saint_dogbert/fn Not really, but yearly trips between Washington and Ohio [02:42] DaemonFC Mine was at 275,900-somthing today. [02:42] saint_dogbert/fn right on :D [02:42] saint_dogbert/fn How much work have you had to do to it? [02:42] DaemonFC Too much to remember, but for the engine? [02:43] saint_dogbert/fn yeah, engine wise [02:43] DaemonFC Both intakes are new. The front valve cover was replaced as part of a safety recall, the EGR valve is new, and there's a new oil pan gasket. [02:43] saint_dogbert/fn More work than mine ;) [02:44] DaemonFC The lower intake manifold was leaking oil and coolant. [02:45] DaemonFC The upper intake cracked and caused a vacuum leak a year later. [02:45] saint_dogbert/fn how did you pull that off? [02:45] DaemonFC Age and heat, I suppose. [02:45] DaemonFC It's this plastic shit GM uses. [02:46] XRevan86 psydroid: How big is your Conversations database, by the way? [02:46] saint_dogbert/fn Interesting. I spent a number of years in south east idaho with this one and never had that happen. I'm thinking it may be time to replace the coil packs though [02:46] DaemonFC You have to buy a whole kit with it, so you replace the thermostat and the PCV valve at the same time as replacing the upper intake. [02:47] DaemonFC The fuel pressure regulator hose and the regulator itself were leaking too. [02:48] DaemonFC Those were pretty cheap though. [02:48] saint_dogbert/fn ouch :( [02:48] saint_dogbert/fn Sounds like the ford ranger I used to have [02:48] saint_dogbert/fn every month, some new issue [02:48] saint_dogbert/fn but that one was a strange setup for its model year [02:48] saint_dogbert/fn twin spark plug system [02:49] saint_dogbert/fn Fords answer to the Nissan or whatever OEM twin plug motor [02:49] DaemonFC The EGR was just nasty from carbon buildup. [02:49] DaemonFC Once it's off, you clean the pipe out too in order to try to prevent the new one from getting plugged up. [02:49] saint_dogbert/fn air compressor [02:49] saint_dogbert/fn ;) [02:50] saint_dogbert/fn kidding of course [02:50] saint_dogbert/fn don't try that [02:50] techrights-bot/fn "something about destroying an irc network is going to make irc devs squeamish on giving him help" http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-190621.html#tJun%2019%2008:12:17 #irc [02:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Saturday, June 19, 2021 [02:50] DaemonFC A wire brush and some carb cleaner. [02:50] saint_dogbert/fn yep [02:51] saint_dogbert/fn bottle brushes work better though for some of 'em [02:52] DaemonFC It'll never be top of the line again, but it's reliable enough I guess. [02:52] DaemonFC Compared to making payments, I go through about one car payment's worth of repairs every 4 months or so. [02:52] techrights-bot/fn #compression in #geminiSpace (big debate at the moment/this weekend): "Was wondering when that would get brought up. Hadn't spoken because I wasn't sure if it hadn't already been looked into. Gwmpub/gpub is readable by Lagrange, and hopefully other browsers will follow suit (especially Ariana or another mobile browser.)" https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006725.html [02:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | a space case for transparent gemtext compression [02:56] DaemonFC As for oil, I get it done about every 8-12 months usually. [02:56] DaemonFC I just keep an eye on it to make sure I'm not losing any. [02:56] DaemonFC I put about 6,000-9,000 miles per year on it. [02:57] saint_dogbert/fn I do mine every 2 years since '15... I put maybe 1000 miles on a year [02:57] DaemonFC It says 5w30 on the cap, but I use 0w30. [02:57] saint_dogbert/fn same. Mobileone? [02:57] DaemonFC I found that the car turns over faster when it's around -20 or so. [02:58] DaemonFC I used to, but Pennzoil Platinum Synthetic High Mileage comes in that too. [02:58] saint_dogbert/fn Pennzoil is something I wouldn't put in even if it was the last choice... same with Quakerstate and fram [02:59] saint_dogbert/fn once you've torn down an engine thats had either of those brands all its life, you'll understand why [02:59] DaemonFC There's a little bit of piston ring wear that showed up while they were smoke testing it for all those other vacuum leaks. [02:59] DaemonFC Yeah, the wax problem. [02:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 30.40 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 10.15 swarm size (avg): 300.36 [02:59] DaemonFC But the natural gas to liquid stuff wouldn't have that, right? [02:59] saint_dogbert/fn yep. That gunk is a real pain to clean up. [02:59] DaemonFC That's a problem because of the crude oil. ● Jun 20 [03:00] saint_dogbert/fn Beats me about the natural gas stuff. Never used it nor do I know of anyone that uses it [03:00] saint_dogbert/fn Seems to be only them. I've torn down engines that have run other brands of oil and not seen it nearly as bad [03:00] DaemonFC Walmart TLE uses conventional Quaker State in their basic oil change package, of course they also destroy cars a lot faster than any sort of defective oil ever could. [03:00] saint_dogbert/fn the cleanest engines I've ever torn down had mobilone in them... oil pans were clean enough that you could eat off of them [03:01] DaemonFC Valvoline is fine too. [03:01] saint_dogbert/fn That one too [03:01] saint_dogbert/fn and castro [03:01] DaemonFC I've always driven high mileage cars. [03:01] DaemonFC So I was one of the first people using high mileage oil. [03:02] DaemonFC I think when only Valvoline had one. [03:02] DaemonFC Some people were talking about how they had a problem car that was burning and leaking like crazy and using the high mileage oil kind of covers up problems like that. [03:03] saint_dogbert/fn I personally think some of them come with guerilla glue mixed in to stop those leaks ;) [03:03] DaemonFC Obviously, if the car is a high mileage beater, you're not going to do a full engine tear down to get it fixed correctly. [03:03] saint_dogbert/fn depends on how bad the leak is [03:03] DaemonFC It's just extra additives that swell up the seals a little bit more and make it more resistent to burn off. [03:04] saint_dogbert/fn if its a real bad one as in losing a quart every trip, you end up spending more on oil than it would cost to fix the leak after a few months [03:04] DaemonFC Uh, I had a Lumina that was leaking a quart between changes. [03:04] saint_dogbert/fn Thats not a bad leak [03:04] DaemonFC The high mileage stuff stopped it and I drove the car for another 150,000 miles without doing anything else. [03:04] saint_dogbert/fn losing a quart every trip = losing a quart every trip to the grocery [03:04] DaemonFC That's where the Impala had gotten to. [03:05] DaemonFC Mom was just pouring a quart in every week or so at one point. [03:05] saint_dogbert/fn ::( [03:06] techrights-ipfs-bot Gemini requests since start of month: 123890 total Total pages: 35902 Active: active (running) since Tue 2021-06-08 16:18:39 BST; 1 weeks 4 days ago [03:06] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS local node stats (past 23 hours) calculated. TotalIn: 2.7 GB TotalOut: 531 MB [03:06] techrights-ipfs-bot New daily bulletin just generated. It is about to be added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with CID [03:08] XRevan86 https://twitter.com/freenodestaff/status/1405375781883158530 I looked at this again and a thought occurred: maybe rasengan, when talking about the FOSS projects stealing other people's work, meant inspircd? [03:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@freenodestaff: @sadiekatze Thanks for letting us use 'your' software. If you need a hug, you know where to find us. https://t.co/tBI0AYWPfU [03:08] techrights-ipfs-bot QmQYQoMFrDMTXEe4NcPiv7amMCQS2ho3c6EaMHAU4SfMUe [03:09] MinceR \_()_/ [03:09] schestowitz MinceR: DaemonFC: can you spot typos? http://techrights.org/2021/06/19/github-hate-letter-and-ibm/ [03:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM Handles More Removals of Signatures of Its Hate Letter Against Richard Stallman | Techrights [03:11] MinceR schestowitz: the block seems to be missing from the end of the text (which is usually there) [03:12] MinceR also, red hat was already hostile to free software before they were bought by ibm [03:12] MinceR i couldn't spot anything else [03:13] schestowitz no block as it is only a summary [03:13] MinceR ah, ok [03:13] schestowitz not a full scale 'article' [03:13] schestowitz thanks for checking [03:13] MinceR np [03:13] schestowitz Red Hat got worse when IBM bought them [03:13] schestowitz people like Oliva left [03:16] techrights-bot/fn #IBM Handles More Removals of Signatures From Its Hate Letter Against Richard Stallman http://techrights.org/2021/06/19/github-hate-letter-and-ibm/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/19/github-hate-letter-and-ibm/ [03:19] XRevan86 Ariadne: Is it possible to run the thing with Dendrite? [03:19] techrights-bot/fn Week 2 on #Kalendar (GSoC 2021) https://claudiocambra.com/2021/06/20/week-2-on-kalendar-gsoc-2021/ #kde #freesw [03:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-claudiocambra.com | Week 2 on Kalendar (GSoC 2021) Claudio Cambra [03:19] *schestowitz working on parts 13-15 of the EPO series [03:20] *schestowitz (lots of people work on it) [03:22] techrights-bot/fn In terms of large IRC networks, they seem to be dividing along political lines rather than anything technical or something of on-topic/relevant substance. Using networks for FOSS to push your POLITICAL agenda is NOT acceptable. https://gist.github.com/joepie91/a50b72a8ca842944b40de3c2cdf776f6 [03:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gist.github.com | alt-right-bans.md GitHub [03:24] techrights-bot/fn It's starting to seem like in IRC space, FN has become the Front Nationale (French) and LC is Liberal Coalition. #freenode #liberaChat #PoliticsNOTTech [03:24] saint_dogbert/fn sure seems that way [03:24] MinceR lol [03:25] techrights-bot/fn Using TECHNICAL networks for TECHNICAL projects to push your POLITICAL agenda is MISusing them. http://techrights.org/2021/05/08/communication-channels-cancel-mobbed/ #freenode #liberaChat #PoliticsNOTTech #NoFreeLunch #SelfHost [03:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Pro-Software Freedom Advocates and Free/Libre Software Supporters Face Barriers Due to Domination of Communication Channels (Beyond the Media) | Techrights [03:26] saint_dogbert/fn Its not that I hate left wingers, its the form of government that they seem to want to bring in to the USA sounds an awful lot like the USSR [03:26] schestowitz wings aren't a thing to us [03:26] saint_dogbert/fn but with the human rights record that would surpass NK and CH [03:26] schestowitz because etch is not a wing [03:26] saint_dogbert/fn German? [03:26] schestowitz if your algorithm is fast, it doesn't matter which party is in charge [03:26] schestowitz and patent law is a bipartisan affair [03:27] schestowitz interjecting politics into things is destabilising them, maybe intentionally [03:27] saint_dogbert/fn Yes [03:27] schestowitz like the whole "master branch is racist" thing [03:27] schestowitz pure bait [03:27] schestowitz for political polarity [03:27] saint_dogbert/fn very much so... unfortunately, politics is injected into damn near everything in the USA [03:27] *job (~job@faedm9en5b78c.irc) has joined #techrights [03:27] schestowitz who cares about the quality of the commit [03:28] schestowitz people who don't know how to code just look at branch names [03:28] schestowitz anyway, I want to focus on tech issues [03:28] schestowitz the amazon ring cameras spy on you no matter how you vote [03:28] saint_dogbert/fn There is a saying in the south in the USA; They can tell which party you belong to by the soda you drink. Coke = right wing Pepsi = left wing RC Cola = libertarian ;) [03:29] techrights-bot/fn Virtual Injustice -- Part 13 will be release late on Sunday. The series has meanwhile been extended to 15 parts total as new information becomes available. #epo #corruption #patents #kangarooCourt #eu [03:30] schestowitz RC Cola is usually the cheapest [03:30] schestowitz but I rarely see it around here anymore [03:30] schestowitz Aldi sells soda bottles very very cheap... like 19p last I check for 1.5-2 litres [03:31] schestowitz water+chemicals inside oil container doesn't cost much to make... maybe transport costs exceed the manufacturing costs [03:33] saint_dogbert/fn same about RC Cola... I asked the manager of the grocery I usually go to about it; They said both Coke and Pepsi are now paying big bucks to buy up the shelving space and push the little people like RC Cola out [03:33] techrights-bot/fn #epo wasted a lot of money on PURCHASED coverage this past week. Disgraceful and scandalous. Links omitted except http://techrights.org/2021/05/04/epo-eia-hush-money/ [03:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Already Wasting Money on Media Manipulation Campaigns for European Inventor Award | Techrights [03:34] techrights-bot/fn Reminder that some #patents mean deaths to millions. https://health.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/industry/vaccine-diplomacy-adds-fresh-layer-to-indo-us-ties/80614788 #patent #monopoly [03:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-health.economictimes.indiatimes.com | Vaccine diplomacy adds fresh layer to Indo-US ties, Health News, ET HealthWorld [03:38] techrights-bot/fn It is getting easier to catalogue (in the past few days) which publishers are the latest recipients of #EPO #bribes [03:39] techrights-bot/fn #Euronews is a corrupt publication that takes #bribes from criminals in exchange for puff pieces. #corruption #epo [03:42] techrights-bot/fn "The #patent in question is dated on the 12th day of August, 1820." Back when #patent weren't granted by the MILLIONS just to enrich 3LITIGATION firms https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/06/thompson-haight-1040.html [03:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Thompson v. Haight, 23 F.Cas. 1040 (S.D.N.Y. 1826) | Patently-O [03:44] techrights-bot/fn These #EPO 'awards' for #patent holders have turned into #reputationlaundering and #marketing stunts, sometimes at the expense of people's lives http://techrights.org/2018/05/04/theranos-epo-fraud/ [03:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Elizabeth Holmes Charged With Massive Fraud and Team Battistelli Rushes to Distance Itself From Her | Techrights [03:46] techrights-bot/fn "AYE PEE" is totally meaningless in this context. The buzzwords salad is running dry... http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/06/guest-post-nft-implications-for-ip-case.html [03:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Guest post: NFT implications for IP: A case study on 'Morons' - The IPKat [03:47] techrights-bot/fn Less than a day ago #IBM processed a request for removal (from its hate letter) http://techrights.org/2021/06/19/github-hate-letter-and-ibm/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/19/github-hate-letter-and-ibm/ [03:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM Handles More Removals of Signatures From Its Hate Letter Against Richard Stallman | Techrights [03:47] techrights-bot/fn #EPO : criminals who reward other criminals. Old: #Theranos in the headlines again as the EPO tries to distance itself from its previous association with #ElizabethHolmes http://techrights.org/2018/05/04/theranos-epo-fraud/ [03:49] schestowitz https://twitter.com/CheapAzzGamer/status/1406042554542571530 [03:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CheapAzzGamer: @Nayal31916248 @AlexxBlond @PS5only https://t.co/1kOznIY8vD you should read this from a former employee its not that old at all. [03:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 34.20 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 19.71 swarm size (avg): 301.83 [03:59] MinceR lol @ dropping steve jobs into that ● Jun 20 [04:00] schestowitz where? [04:00] MinceR nvm [04:00] schestowitz nvm :-) [04:00] schestowitz does it run on a mac? [04:00] MinceR i didn't even see the tweet linked to, because it didn't scroll there [04:00] MinceR but now i do [04:00] schestowitz Node Version Manager and others [04:01] MinceR Non-Volatile Memory? [04:02] schestowitz that too [04:02] schestowitz and old software I cannot find anymore [04:02] schestowitz circa 2000-2005 [04:02] schestowitz or never mind p) [04:02] MinceR :> [04:03] schestowitz I'm amazed people still talk about Steve Blows [04:03] schestowitz Imagine how long people would speak about Bill Epstein [04:03] schestowitz after he hangs himself or something [04:03] MinceR :> [04:03] schestowitz seems Microsoft threw this vapourware to disract [04:03] schestowitz maybe the Board changes [04:03] schestowitz with Nadella and Thompson [04:04] schestowitz maybe there's even an indictment on the way, who knows... [04:04] schestowitz it's NOT impossible [04:04] schestowitz after the media already took teh wind out of his micro-soft 'sails' [04:04] schestowitz I might even get TV to watch that [04:04] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/Bill_Gates_Deposition [04:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bill Gates Deposition - Techrights [04:04] schestowitz nice addition to the online collection [04:05] schestowitz "what do you mean by 'board the plane'?" [04:06] schestowitz "read me the other definition of bribe" (on MIT money) [04:06] schestowitz "no, rick was my Internet Exploder" [04:06] schestowitz he exploded [04:07] schestowitz 80% of the time [04:07] schestowitz according to him [04:07] techrights-bot/fn #Techrights Bulletin for Saturday, June 19, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [04:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives [04:08] techrights-bot/fn #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [04:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index [04:10] activelow before i forget this again: introduction of IPv6 is bundled with carrier grade NAT often, and lock-in to specific routers provided by ISPs [04:10] techrights-bot/fn I think #curl should add #geminiProtocol support. #wget has w for #www but curl has not. [04:11] schestowitz activelow: you can reprogramme the LAN [04:11] schestowitz or NAT [04:11] activelow ISPs seeked to their customers signing contracts which permits the ISP to implement carrier grade NAT (CGN), which leaves a customer without a public IPv4 [04:12] schestowitz for now we still have one IPv4 address [04:12] schestowitz without it, we'd change ISP [04:12] activelow vodaphone tried with me here, offering faster internet at a discount, then checked the contract for details (which required a microscope to read the tiny text) [04:12] schestowitz right now we use 5 ip addresses [04:13] schestowitz tuxmachines, irc, techrights, gemini/ipfs, and hv [04:13] schestowitz all ipv4 [04:13] activelow ok. i was thinking about this in general what happened when ISPs began to lock out various people from IPv4 [04:13] schestowitz but we change that soon as IANA wants some addresses back if I understand correctyly [04:14] schestowitz ipv4 is justified away using internet of "shit" [04:14] schestowitz things like cameras with public-facing ip [04:16] activelow public-facing ip? never heard of that. [04:16] DaemonFC https://wgntv.com/weather/weather-blog/the-three-waves-of-june-1954-cool-heat-and-killer/ [04:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wgntv.com | The three waves of June 1954Cool, heat and killer | WGN-TV [04:16] DaemonFC Out of the five warmest Junes in Chicago, only one of them has been in the 21st century. Same for ones with 90 degree plus days. [04:17] DaemonFC The worst one was in 1954. [04:17] DaemonFC So much for global warming. [04:18] DaemonFC It should generally get worse everywhere, right? [04:18] activelow strange, in germany temperature anomalies surpassed 10C already, early summer season with Sahara temperatures and tropical nights [04:19] activelow when i was a child early summer season was ~10C cooler [04:25] activelow anyway, alongside the stragy to cripple customers access lines Microsoft aggressively markets Teams, another power grab what was formerly under control by Telco [04:26] activelow ironically "privatization of Telecom" implemented by EU intended to prevent monopolies such as Microsoft, Facebook, etc [04:27] activelow *strategy [04:30] activelow customers' access lines are crippled by low uplink data rates, lack of static IPv4, requirement for DynDNS, carrier grade NAT [04:32] activelow instead of hosting their own little web sites private customers upload their nonsense to Facebook, Github etc. [04:32] DaemonFC 2012 had a really bad drought and it got extremely hot in August. [04:32] DaemonFC I went to Aldi for groceries and looked like I got out of a swimming pool by the time I loaded the car up and got in. [04:35] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/irc-networks-fight.png [04:35] activelow IPv6 is dangerous, it won't repair the cluster*** BGP routing tables (link i posted few hours ago), and the "dual stack [04:37] activelow ", in fact with the extended address space BGP routing tables could blow up beyond repair even further [04:37] schestowitz MinceR: DaemonFC: http://techrights.org/2021/06/19/meme-irc-wars-in-a-nutshell/ [04:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] IRC Wars in a Nutshell | Techrights [04:37] schestowitz only one paragraph again [04:40] activelow carrier grade NAT is an attack on "network neutrality", potentially preventing self-hosting (including IPv4) in the future [04:41] activelow politically it was prepared for already to sanction anything which remained outside control of governmental institutions and their sponsors [04:42] DaemonFC " has just ousted himself as a huge Donald Trump supporter" [04:42] DaemonFC ousted himself? [04:43] schestowitz outed [04:46] techrights-bot/fn [Meme] #IRC Wars in a Nutshell http://techrights.org/2021/06/19/meme-irc-wars-in-a-nutshell/ #Techrights #freenode #libreaChat #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/19/meme-irc-wars-in-a-nutshell/ [04:58] DaemonFC Libera Chat is Stone Cold Steve Austin? [04:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 24.61 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 39.56 swarm size (avg): 301.76 ● Jun 20 [05:04] schestowitz does not matter which is which [05:04] schestowitz the point was, they're both thugs [05:04] schestowitz they both look to have power over you [05:04] schestowitz but they don't say that upfront [05:05] schestowitz DaemonFC: can you read another one? [05:06] DaemonFC Sure. [05:07] DaemonFC I think a lot of things when I think mjg59. Stone Cold Steve Austin is not one of them. [05:07] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/06/19/saner-patent-system-in-europe/ [05:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | We Need and Deserve a Saner Patent System in Europe | Techrights [05:07] schestowitz thanks [05:07] schestowitz DaemonFC: a 120-pound man [05:07] schestowitz versus a man twice his size [05:08] schestowitz DaemonFC: check the above, this is what we really need to focus on [05:08] schestowitz not how to cancel political 'enemies' [05:08] DaemonFC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RGmBwaTuz0 [05:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bernie Sanders: We're Tired Of Hearing About Clinton's 'Damn Emails' - YouTube [05:08] schestowitz but to cancel swpats and corporations that lobby for them [05:10] DaemonFC "he patent law firms and patent media" [05:10] DaemonFC firms, and [05:10] schestowitz fixed [05:10] schestowitz I knew you'd say that [05:10] schestowitz you love "Oxford Comma" [05:11] DaemonFC I do. Much of that was because of the Supreme Court case that changed the meaning of a Maine labor law because the state legislature forgot to include one, resulting in more overtime pay for some workers. [05:13] DaemonFC "understandably grows impatient (at least people who are sufficiently informed; the criminals have already intimidated and bribed a lot of the media and theyre still bribing more of it, as we shall demonstrate later today)" [05:13] DaemonFC impatient. (At least the people[...] [05:14] schestowitz I try not to use full stops in summaries :-) [05:14] schestowitz refresh page [05:14] schestowitz I corrected a bit [05:15] DaemonFC "Weve meanwhile seen" [05:15] DaemonFC Meanwhile, we've seen [05:15] DaemonFC Sounds better in my head. [05:16] DaemonFC "sent out mails"? [05:16] DaemonFC The plural of mail is usually mail. [05:17] schestowitz amended [05:17] DaemonFC The rest looks okay. [05:19] schestowitz thanks, done! [05:19] DaemonFC I liked the Oxford Comma case because it was a warning from the court that they aren't going to be kind to lawmakers who get sloppy when they're writing the law and then fix the meaning for them later. [05:19] schestowitz I will do a video related to tis later [05:19] DaemonFC In the Obamacare case, they drifted from that though, in order to uphold the subsidies in states that declined to run a marketplace. [05:20] techrights-bot/fn We Need and Deserve a Saner #Patent System in #Europe http://techrights.org/2021/06/19/saner-patent-system-in-europe/ #swpats #ffii #epo [05:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | We Need and Deserve a Saner Patent System in Europe | Techrights [05:20] activelow good night [05:21] DaemonFC Had they gone with the intent of Congress and the meaning of the word "state" to be "a state government in the United States", then the federal government could have oeprated marketplaces in those states that chose not to operate one, but they couldn't have paid out subsidies. [05:22] DaemonFC It seems to me to be fairly bizarre that, essentially, what Texas was saying was, "Please tax our residents and then don't give them any help buying health insurance.", but it seems that what they wanted was a follow up of "And now we're being harmed because we're paying taxes and not benefiting from this law.". [05:22] DaemonFC They desperately want standing to sue, they can't get it because they're not being treated any differently by the law's formula than any other state, so they had to bootstrap some demonstrable harm. [05:23] DaemonFC And the Supreme Court wouldn't give it to them. [05:24] DaemonFC If they can knock it down in court, they don't have to compromise with anyone about what comes next. You'll get whatever a bunch of right-wing hardliners in the Senate offer you or nothing. Probably nothing. [05:24] schestowitz [17:53] Re: british judges at G1/21 [05:24] schestowitz [17:53] > Hi, [05:24] schestowitz [17:53] > [05:24] schestowitz [17:53] > Do you know what this british patent judge was doing at the videoconf on G1/21? [05:24] DaemonFC What surprises me is they've failed to attack it at the Supreme Court half a dozen times now and they're still going. [05:24] schestowitz [17:53] > [05:24] schestowitz [17:53] > Is he member of the EBOA now? [05:24] schestowitz [17:53] > [05:24] schestowitz [17:53] > Lord Justice Arnold: [05:24] schestowitz [17:53] > [05:24] schestowitz [17:53] > https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1398176592099217412/photo/1 [05:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: EPO Kangaroo Pseudo Courts discussing how to revoke biased judges. Now stopping the streaming to discuss things off https://t.co/9oFilbxikt [05:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: EPO Kangaroo Pseudo Courts discussing how to revoke biased judges. Now stopping the streaming to discuss things off https://t.co/9oFilbxikt [05:24] schestowitz [17:53] We will write about him this weekend. [05:25] DaemonFC In fact, gauging the direction the court is moving in, they're getting further from their goal. It was 5-4 before Trump appointed anyone and the latest was 7-2 against overturning the law. [05:26] DaemonFC The EU is moving more towards software patents while the US is inching further away from them. [05:27] DaemonFC Some of the damage here is mainly that they're crap. They are overly broad and fail to state a claim. They could mean anything when you go to court. [05:28] DaemonFC schestowitz, The patent system is bad in other ways. [05:28] DaemonFC How do you have 7 patents on a water pitcher filter? People have been using them since the 1980s. [05:28] DaemonFC For that matter, how do you patent the pitcher itself 4 times? [05:29] *activelow has quit (connection closed) [05:29] *activelow (~activelow@pzeavskfbwhvk.irc) has joined #techrights [05:30] DaemonFC schestowitz, I sent an email to Brita asking if their filters would fit in compatible third party filters and they sent me back a response that basically said the NSF testing was only valid if you used a Brita filter in a Brita pitcher. [05:30] DaemonFC I plugged one into a Great Value pitcher that was designed to use Walmart's Brita-compatible filters, and it fit with no leaks or anything. [05:31] DaemonFC They put out all this damned plastic. The market is so saturated with old Brita pitchers they're in every thrift store for like $2-3. [05:40] *job has quit (connection closed) [05:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 28.38 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 49.03 swarm size (avg): 302.10 ● Jun 20 [06:00] *job (~job@faedm9en5b78c.irc) has joined #techrights [06:07] *mib_qrjbga (~5198ee27@q8ban9vyag5t6.irc) has joined #techrights [06:07] DaemonFC GrubHub observes Juneteenth. LOL [06:07] DaemonFC A shitty gig economy app that costs their drivers as much in gas and wear on their car as they make. [06:08] DaemonFC schestowitz, It seems that with the domestic abuse warrant out on him, the only place Austin found to work that doesn't care is grubhub. [06:08] *mib_qrjbga has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [06:08] DaemonFC Well, they are designed to slowly pressure you into turning yourself in. [06:08] DaemonFC I could have told him that. [06:09] DaemonFC Trying to beat a warrant is like when you're a kid and your parents are coming to give you the belt, so you hide in a bush, and you might buy yourself a few minutes, but they'll get you. [06:12] DaemonFC Very few people pull it off unless they're just so rich that there's no way to pressure them with leases and jobs and stuff. [06:13] DaemonFC I was reading about Phil Katz, the guy who wrote PKZip. [06:13] DaemonFC They had a bunch of warrants and failure to appear citations on him. So he pretty much went underground and started running the company by email, in the 90s. [06:14] DaemonFC He checked into a motel and started paying cash and paid a stripper to drive him around to run his errands. [06:22] DaemonFC MinceR, It's bad here. It's like actual communists went around naming things too. [06:23] DaemonFC Like, the unemployment office in a state with the worst unemployment in America is the Department of Employment Security. [06:31] DaemonFC https://chicago.suntimes.com/movies-and-tv/2021/6/18/22538880/10-great-lgbtq-movies-best-films-brokeback-mountain-tangerine-portrait-lady-fire-moonlight-milk [06:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-chicago.suntimes.com | 10 great LGBTQ+ movies, from The Boys in the Band to a Lady on Fire - Chicago Sun-Times [06:31] DaemonFC MinceR, I'd include Stargate on that one just because it had Jaye Davidson as Ra. [06:32] DaemonFC Ra wasn't a very exceptional Goa'uld though. He'd been living the same way for thousands of years and seemed to be barely self-aware. [06:33] DaemonFC It didn't establish in the movie exactly what they were though. It was SG-1 that turned them into a brain parasite. [06:33] DaemonFC The movie led the audience to think of them as some sort of energy being that possessed a host. [06:50] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [06:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 29.80 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 17.43 swarm size (avg): 302.36 ● Jun 20 [07:00] *sepsinn has quit (Quit: leaving) [07:03] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Leaving) [07:08] *kingoffrance has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [07:10] *x_ (~x__@4mmu4fx6g3jvs.irc) has joined #techrights [07:13] *x_ is now known as kingoffrance [07:15] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #Figbert #Debian The Wrong Way to Switch Operating Systems on Your Server https://figbert.com/posts/wrong-way-to-switch-server-os/ [07:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Wrong Way to Switch Operating Systems on Your Server :: FIGBERT [07:16] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #PeterMalmgren #Shell Cool things I learned about Bash this week https://petermalmgren.com/bash-things-i-learned/ [07:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-petermalmgren.com | Cool things I learned about Bash this week - Peter Malmgren [07:17] techrights-bot/fn In terms of large #IRC networks, were in trouble (unless we self-host) because they seem to be dividing themselves along political lines rather than anything technical or something of an on-topic/relevant substance. http://techrights.org/2021/06/19/meme-irc-wars-in-a-nutshell/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: [07:17] techrights-bot/fn gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06 [07:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] IRC Wars in a Nutshell | Techrights [07:18] techrights-bot/fn The laughing stock that the #patent system, the patent #law firms, and patent media became (over the past few years) must be replaced http://techrights.org/2021/06/19/saner-patent-system-in-europe/ #Techrights #EPO #patents | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/19/saner-patent-system-in-europe/ [07:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | We Need and Deserve a Saner Patent System in Europe | Techrights [07:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 31.30 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 33.80 swarm size (avg): 302.57 ● Jun 20 [08:09] *mib_moe7vi (~05024509@q8ban9vyag5t6.irc) has joined #techrights [08:12] *kingoffrance has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:16] psydroid XRevan86, it seems to be about 0.97 GB now, if you are referring to logs. 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[08:16] psydroid On my older phones I had to delete everything from time to time, because Conversations tended to become slow [08:26] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights #vista11 : #Microsoft Slowly Starts Taking Down Leaked ISO https://torrentfreak.com/windows-11-microsoft-slowly-starts-taking-down-leaked-iso-210619/ fake 'leaks' for hype, PR, distraction [08:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Windows 11: Microsoft Slowly Starts Taking Down Leaked ISO * TorrentFreak [08:34] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #IndiaTimes #Surveillance #Privacy New Indian IT Rules do not conform with international norms: #UN Special Rapporteurs https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/government-policy/new-indian-it-rules-do-not-conform-with-international-norms-un-special-rapporteurs/83662708 [08:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | new IT rules: New Indian IT Rules do not conform with international norms: UN Special Rapporteurs, IT News, ET CIO [08:34] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #TheVerge #Surveillance #Privacy #Facialrecognition software used to verify unemployment recipients reportedly doesnt work well https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/19/22541427/facial-recognition-software-verify-unemployment-benefits-id-me [08:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Facial recognition software used to verify unemployment recipients reportedly doesnt work well - The Verge [08:34] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #Vice #Surveillance #Privacy #FacialRecognition Failures Are Locking People Out of Unemployment Systems https://www.vice.com/en/article/5dbywn/facial-recognition-failures-are-locking-people-out-of-unemployment-systems [08:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.vice.com | Facial Recognition Failures Are Locking People Out of Unemployment Systems [08:36] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #TheEconomist #ProprietarySoftware #Ransomware highlights the challenges and subtleties of cybersecurity https://www.economist.com/briefing/2021/06/19/ransomware-highlights-the-challenges-and-subtleties-of-cybersecurity [08:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ransomware highlights the challenges and subtleties of cybersecurity | The Economist [08:38] *x_ (~x__@4mmu4fx6g3jvs.irc) has joined #techrights [08:40] techrights-bot/fn Best Free Android Apps: Pure Writer plain text editor http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152479 [08:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Best Free Android Apps: Pure Writer plain text editor | Tux Machines [08:42] techrights-bot/fn #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152480 #Linux #TuxMachines [08:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [08:45] psydroid Is that whole PR operation going to change anything about the decline of that operating system? 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And even they don't call out the judge's failings" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9704075/Julian-Assanges-fianc-e-Stella-Moris-calls-incarceration-prison-intolerable-grotesque.html [09:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailymail.co.uk | Julian Assange's fiance Stella Moris calls his incarceration in prison 'intolerable and grotesque' | Daily Mail Online [09:27] techrights-bot/fn #Microsoft omitted, wrongly https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-18/antitrust-bills-have-some-democrats-asking-pelosi-to-slow-down [09:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot? [09:29] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [09:29] techrights-bot/fn #billgates #epstein #mediaSilence https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/06/16/jeffrey-epstein-ghislaine-maxwell-uk-investigation/ iophk: #corporatepress is inappropriately quiet about Bill's connections to Epstein [09:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com | Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein implicated in fresh abuse claims in Channel 4 report - The Washington Post [09:30] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [09:31] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #TruthOut #Hardware K Street Sets Sights on New Semiconductor Policy Amid Global Shortage https://truthout.org/articles/k-street-sets-sights-on-new-semiconductor-policy-amid-global-shortage/ [09:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | K Street Sets Sights on New Semiconductor Policy Amid Global Shortage [09:37] techrights-bot/fn Changes in #IRC and New Features Over #GeminiProtocol or the #WorldWideWeb http://techrights.org/2021/06/20/irc-scrolling-backwards/ #techrights [09:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Changes in IRC and New Features Over Gemini Protocol or the World Wide Web | Techrights [09:58] techrights-bot/fn "There's no reason we all have to visit the same ten websites as each other every day, support the little guys" https://chaos.social/@ak/106374751595066691 [09:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Abigail K : "I'm no techie, but if "major websites" are down t" - chaos.social [09:58] techrights-bot/fn "This is utterly ridiculous. If IT is too complex to be handled by reasonably competent staff, than the answer can't be "we give it only to experts that rob us", but to provide better tools that people can handle and are still secure.' https://microblog.shivering-isles.com/@sheogorath/106428095490638126 [09:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-microblog.shivering-isles.com | Sheogorath :si_blobfox:: "This is utterly ridiculous. If IT is too complex " - Sheogorath's Microblog [09:59] techrights-bot/fn "The new PoE+ HAT has some issues, like using almost twice as much power for its own operation as the original PoE HAT." https://youtu.be/XZ08QKAbBoU?t=53s [09:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Raspberry Pi's new PoE+ HAT uses too much power! - YouTube ● Jun 20 [10:00] techrights-bot/fn "I'm not shocked by a glimpse of areola or swinging dick or sex really of any kind, but what shocks me incessantly now is ruinous, compassionless, and truly inhumane behavior of so many to so many." http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2021/06/the-trendy-and.html [10:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2021/06/the-trendy-and.html ) [10:00] techrights-bot/fn #russia #espionage https://www.salon.com/2021/06/18/retired-general-russians-will-soon-leak-intel-they-used-to-control-trump_partner/ [10:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Retired general: Russians will soon leak intel they used to "control" Trump | Salon.com [10:01] techrights-bot/fn #pinephone https://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=es&u=https://masgnulinux.es/de-vuelta-con-el-pinephone/ [10:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-translate.google.com | Google Translate [10:01] techrights-bot/fn "They did it. And with "they", I do mean #freenode. They actually did it. Their decline was too slow so they helped it." https://fosstodon.org/@yarmo/106413476183752091 [10:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fosstodon.org | Yarmo: "https://isfreenodedeadyet.com/ They did it. And " - Fosstodon [10:02] techrights-bot/fn #police #weapons #thugs https://mamot.fr/@jz/106439648856645757 [10:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mamot.fr | Jrmie Zimmermann: "In which country police sends grenades and tear g" - La Quadrature du Net - Mastodon - Media Fdr [10:03] techrights-bot/fn #perl #perl5 #RakuLang https://bsd.network/@AFresh1/106400536650131758 [10:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bsd.network | Andrew Hewus Fresh: "oooh, #TPRCiC talks are on YouTube now. #perl " - BSD Network [10:13] techrights-bot/fn We examine more closely some of the latest changes in the site and the capsule (Web and Gemini, respectively); we show that its possible to keep abreast of #IRC using nothing but a text editor, a Gemini client or even the command line alone http://techrights.org/2021/06/20/irc-scrolling-backwards/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #Free [10:13] techrights-bot/fn SW | Gemini address: gemini://gemin [10:29] techrights-bot/fn #IRC Proceedings: Saturday, June 19, 2021 http://techrights.org/2021/06/20/irc-log-190621/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/20/irc-log-190621/ [10:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Saturday, June 19, 2021 | Techrights [10:37] techrights-bot/fn #EPO : Fake #Patents , Fake (Paid-for) #Patent Coverage, and Fake Awards for Public Relations Purposes http://techrights.org/2021/06/20/epo-awards-smokescreening/ #europe #upc [10:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO: Fake Patents, Fake (Paid-for) Patent Coverage, and Fake Awards for Public Relations Purposes | Techrights [10:40] XRevan86 psydroid: https://github.com/iNPUTmice/Conversations/pull/4102 https://paste.debian.net/hidden/69e86327 it really did tend to become slow, I fixed that :), ye didn't have to remove that data. [10:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Make the fulltext index for search more efficient by XRevan86 Pull Request #4102 iNPUTmice/Conversations GitHub [10:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paste.debian.net | Debian Pastezone [10:42] schestowitz XRevan86: :-) [10:42] XRevan86 The latter is SQL queries to get the database to that nice state. [10:44] XRevan86 Maybe setting the paste to expire in a few months wasn't that wise. [10:45] schestowitz [10:44] I've just nudged out the IRC blog post of today ("Missed Schedule"). I wanted to ask, do you want to have a go at making a substitute to Google News, limited to tech issues. TuxMachines already has a good starting point: http://tuxmachines.org/aggregator/sources basically, seeing how bad the media became and how neglected Google News is (lots of noise, plagiarism, and spam), competition will be easier [10:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | News Feeds | Tux Machines [10:45] schestowitz does anyone wish to help? [10:45] schestowitz if we're to make an alternative to Google News? [10:45] schestowitz Like search of real-time/very recent tech news [10:45] schestowitz sans the spying and monopoly? [10:45] schestowitz it's something that is sorely needed [10:50] techrights-bot/fn Virtual Injustice -- Part 13 due tonight. #epo #corruption must be exposed and by all means, please ensure everyone in #europe is made aware of it. EPO BRIBES a lot of publishers to cover up these crimes. #patents [10:55] psydroid XRevan86, it was on my old phone(s) anyway, I haven't encountered such a problem on this one thanks to your fix :) [10:56] psydroid Oh, it hasn't been merged yet? [10:59] XRevan86 psydroid: It hasn't, still waiting. It's already useful though. [10:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 25.81 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 47.83 swarm size (avg): 301.71 [10:59] XRevan86 psydroid: It means that your device is powerful enough to get away with full table scans all the time :) ● Jun 20 [11:00] psydroid Oh, great :) [11:06] XRevan86 psydroid: Regarding it not being merged, I don't know what's the hold up, but I'm not worried, I don't think iNPUTmice will make a new release without it. [11:07] XRevan86 He's aware of what it does. [11:10] techrights-bot/fn The media has been thoroughly corrupted, patent legitimacy has been severely damaged (far too many European Patents arent in compliance with the EPC anymore), and Team #UPC is trying to undermine the #EPC and turn Europe into another #Texas http://techrights.org/2021/06/20/epo-awards-smokescreening/ #Techrights | Gemini addre [11:10] techrights-bot/fn ss: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021 [11:16] techrights-bot/fn "IPWatchdog and CAS and will be offering a webinar" (link omitted). #patent zealots meet for #lobbying / commercials and "no registration fee for this webinar." Because indoctrination and lies are cheap. #patents #watchtroll [11:18] techrights-bot/fn Clear and overt misuse of words like "rights" in relation to #monopolies on plants, seeds, and animals (life) as if they are inventions https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=676d5370-6544-40f0-9179-dfc7c1fa931e [11:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Protection of plant varieties under plant breeders' rights - Lexology [11:20] techrights-bot/fn Inappropriate term, "IP". What #USPTO deals with is limited to #patents and #trademarks , nothing called "IP". Can we stop this #propaganda drive? It's not property. https://www.patentdocs.org/2021/06/uspto-webinar-on-china-ip.html [11:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patentdocs.org | Patent Docs: USPTO Webinar on China IP [11:22] techrights-bot/fn #greenwashing + #patent #monopolies + #epo #corruption (patents granted on almost anything!) = https://www.steelorbis.com/steel-news/latest-news/voestalpine-announces-patent-for-carbon_neutral-sponge-iron-production-1204238.htm [11:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.steelorbis.com | Voestalpine announces patent for carbon-neutral sponge iron production [11:23] *schestowitz has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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The Best Cloud Computing Programming Languages To Learn [11:35] techrights-bot/fn This is the #clowncomputing nonsense I was alluding to... https://hackernoon.com/the-best-cloud-computing-programming-languages-to-learn-hf32378y [11:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hackernoon.com | The Best Cloud Computing Programming Languages To Learn | Hacker Noon [11:36] *activelow (~activelow@qiahibkh2iwka.irc) has joined #techrights [11:37] techrights-bot/fn The death business is a growing sector or growth area in the US. STOP BEING POOR! GO KILL PEOPLE! https://www.nationofchange.org/2021/06/18/unknown-soldiers-americas-secret-privatized-army/ [11:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nationofchange.org | Unknown soldiers: Americas secret, privatized army - NationofChange [11:38] techrights-bot/fn Didn't imagine I'd see #patents being referred to as #techrights (well, #patent monopolies are NOT rights, but this article says "tech rights") https://www.reuters.com/legal/transactional/brief-stanford-professors-company-sues-oxford-institute-over-dna-tech-rights-2021-06-11/ [11:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-IN BRIEF: Stanford professors company sues Oxford institute over DNA tech rights | Reuters [11:41] techrights-bot/fn Better not to use such devices at all if you value #privacy ... they're a lost cause, by design. https://trabulsy4872.medium.com/yes-you-should-do-a-smartphone-cleanse-no-youll-never-get-free-of-your-smartphone-16975ffb1cd4 [11:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-trabulsy4872.medium.com | Yes You Should Do a Smartphone Cleanse. No Youll Never Get Free of Your Smartphone. | by Raymond Trabulsy | Jun, 2021 | Medium [11:41] techrights-bot/fn They should instead remove ALL #ProprietarySoftware with back doors, inc. everything with #windows in it https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/04/biden_admin_issues_ransomware_guidance/ [11:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Good news for pentesters and network admins: US issues ransomware guidance asking biz to skill up security teams The Register [11:43] techrights-bot/fn Disadvantaged young people have no faith in exam grades appeals system, government warned https://inews.co.uk/news/education/disadvantaged-young-people-no-faith-exam-grades-appeals-system-government-warned-1061480 broken system, greedy system. Go back to basics.... [11:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-inews.co.uk | Disadvantaged young people have no faith in exam grades appeals system, government warned [11:44] techrights-bot/fn Racist companies pretend to care about #racism https://kvia.com/news/business-technology/2021/06/19/companies-are-celebrating-juneteenth-in-unique-ways-this-week/ sometimes they more racist they are, the more likely they are to exploit/hijack/undermine such causes. #ibm for instance: http://techrights.org/2020/08/16/ibm-powered-purges/ [11:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Companies are celebrating Juneteenth in unique ways this week - KVIA [11:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Full Story (With References) of IBMs Role in a Purge of Black People and Mixed-Race Couples | Techrights [11:45] techrights-bot/fn "A Microsoft spokesperson told The Register"... another #microsoft puff piece. A lost cause... http://techrights.org/2021/02/28/the-register-microsoft-pr/ [11:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Fall of The Register | Techrights [11:46] techrights-bot/fn " #Microsoft spokesperson" and "Chronic liar" are synonyms. [11:46] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [11:46] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [11:47] techrights-bot/fn "The software was made available in primary care e-Health facilities through the support of the SEED Project. Healthcare workers trained under the National Skills Qualifications Framework (NSQF) or certified by the National Skill Development Corporation (NSDC)" https://www.cnbctv18.com/healthcare/new-software-helps-identify-patients-likely-to-suffer-severe-covid-symptoms-govt-9714111.htm [11:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbctv18.com | New Software Helps Identify Patients Likely To Suffer Severe Covid Symptoms: Govt [11:50] techrights-bot/fn Debian 10.10 released with latest security updatesDebian 10.10 released with latest security updates http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152468#comment-29999 [11:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian 10.10 release 202106191548 | Tux Machines [11:51] techrights-bot/fn Do not let #linuxfoundation claim that the #gnu #linux operating system is turning 30 this year. It turns 38. http://techrights.org/2021/04/30/gnu-linux-turning-38/ [11:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Show Your Love for the GNU Operating System With These Banners | Techrights [11:53] techrights-bot/fn The #linuxfoundation sold "LINUX" to #microsoft https://www.greenbiz.com/article/future-climate-friendly-software see explanation in http://techrights.org/2021/05/31/linux-brand-killed-by-lf/ shame on #zemlin and the Sunshine Boys, who don't even USE Linux [11:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The future is climate-friendly software | Greenbiz [11:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Has Killed the Linux Brand (in Pursuit of Short-Term Profits) | Techrights [11:53] *activelow has quit (connection closed) [11:53] *activelow (~activelow@jijjzt4v8a25k.irc) has joined #techrights [11:54] techrights-bot/fn #marketing trash and #propaganda vehicle #ZDNet now hyping up #6g #patent pool. If you care about truth and accuracy, you will #boycottZDNet because it makes you dumb and misled. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/ZDNet [11:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ZDNet - Techrights [11:56] techrights-bot/fn #TechCrunch joins the #corruptMedia and calls everything "HEY HI", even just some computer or some computer program. Link omitted ("Robotaxi apps on the rise, an AI pioneers new startup and mobility event highlights"). [11:58] techrights-bot/fn Ray Charles Foundation https://www.harlemworldmagazine.com/non-profit-goes-virtual-with-free-tutoring-and-summer-enrichment-for-students-from-harlem-to-hawthorne/ [11:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.harlemworldmagazine.com | Non-Profit Goes Virtual With Free Tutoring And Summer Enrichment From Harlem To Hawthorne ● Jun 20 [12:01] techrights-bot/fn #KDE #Akademy 2021 Video Streams As Developers Discuss #Wayland , Frameworks 6, #Qt https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=KDE-Akademy-2021 [12:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-KDE Akademy 2021 Video Streams As Developers Discuss Wayland, Frameworks 6, Qt - Phoronix [12:03] techrights-bot/fn #ft took bribes from the #epo (this is well documented) and now it's just #corruptMedia for private #litigation firms. Avoid FT. It's corrupt. https://www.ft.com/content/e40f1dde-3dbb-4b83-a596-5dd594abba75 [12:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ft.com | IP law firms battle flush tech groups to hire top talent | Financial Times [12:05] techrights-bot/fn "I am aware of multiple instances of NFTs being minted and then sold without an artist's permission or any interaction with the artist at all- just ripped off social media for example." http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/06/guest-post-nft-implications-for-ip-case.html?showComment=1624020777038#c2797331886446366606 [12:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Guest post: NFT implications for IP: A case study on 'Morons' - The IPKat [12:08] techrights-bot/fn As if #taylorwessing ever cared about justice... https://www.taylorwessing.com/zh-hant/insights-and-events/insights/2021/05/european-court-of-justice-rules-on-law-applicable-to-avoidance-actions they don't ever care about truth and facts http://techrights.org/2020/05/15/latest-upc-spin-2020/ [12:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.taylorwessing.com | European Court of Justice rules on law applicable to avoidance actions [12:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Taylor Wessings Latest UPC Spin: No More/Additional Complaints Against UPC Lodged | Techrights [12:09] techrights-bot/fn "The EPOs stay of the grant of an application following an entitlement claim (an entitlement torpedo) another one. And then there is the central limitation procedure" http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/06/19/epo-central-limitation-v-national-proceedings/ no mention that TBA itself is corrupted http://techrights.org/2021/06/19/carl-josefsson-in-the-shadows/ [12:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | EPO Central Limitation v National Proceedings - Kluwer Patent Blog [12:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Virtual Injustice Part 12: Carl Josefsson Down But Not Out! | Techrights [12:17] techrights-bot/fn No connection at all to #opensource or #freesw ... but maybe better than this month's two articles about what BREAKFAST you should have... if you're sharing code (?!?!) https://opensource.com/article/21/6/2021-opensourcecom-summer-reading-list [12:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-8 books open source technologists should read this summer | Opensource.com [12:18] techrights-bot/fn #Akademy 2021 II https://blog.bembel.net/2021/06/akademy-2021-ii/ #kde #freesw #gnu #linux [12:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.bembel.net | Akademy 2021 II bembel.net [12:28] techrights-bot/fn Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152481 [12:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [12:30] techrights-bot/fn As if #euipo itself obeys the #law https://www.mondaq.com/uk/trademark/1069990/new-european-union-intellectual-property-office-examination-guidelines-enter-into-force a den of scandals: http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EUIPO [12:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | New European Union Intellectual Property Office Examination Guidelines Enter Into Force - Intellectual Property - European Union [12:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EUIPO - Techrights [12:34] *job (~job@bfjdrpzm6v77y.irc) has joined #techrights [12:35] techrights-bot/fn #EUIPO for #surveillance https://www.mondaq.com/uk/copyright/1076268/european-union-intellectual-property-office-observatory-publishes-report-on-monitoring-and-analysing-ipr-infringement-on-social-media tarnishes the image of the #EU http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EUIPO [12:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | European Union Intellectual Property Office Observatory Publishes Report On Monitoring And Analysing IPR Infringement On Social Media - Intellectual Property - European Union [12:39] techrights-bot/fn Buzzwords salad about making malicious cars that spy on drivers and passengers. What have we sunk to? https://www.itprotoday.com/edge-computing/automakers-race-iot-and-manufacturing-edge [12:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itprotoday.com | Automakers Race to the IoT and Manufacturing Edge | IT Pro [12:40] techrights-bot/fn Royole RoKit - A flexible display development kit with a #Snapdragon 660 board - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/06/20/royole-rokit-a-flexible-display-development-kit-with-a-snapdragon-660-board/ #Linux #GNU #Hardware #cnxsoftware [12:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | Royole RoKit - A flexible display development kit with a Snapdragon 660 board - CNX Software [12:41] techrights-bot/fn FOSS Patents: #Munich I Regional Court well-placed to create third #patent litigation division should need arise: Judge Dr. Werner is now a Presiding Judge http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/06/munich-i-regional-court-well-placed-to.html #fosspatents | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/20/#latest [12:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Munich I Regional Court well-placed to create third patent litigation division should need arise: Judge Dr. Werner is now a Presiding Judge [12:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [12:42] techrights-bot/fn #KDE: Akademy, Kalendar (GSoC 2021) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152482 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [12:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE: Akademy, Kalendar (GSoC 2021) | Tux Machines [12:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 25.35 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 54.30 swarm size (avg): 301.91 ● Jun 20 [13:00] techrights-bot/fn Tossing out #fakePatents in #china https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2021/6/16/the-trials-and-tribulations-of-chinese-patent-invalidation-proceedings #cn #patents [13:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unifiedpatents.com | The trials and tribulations of Chinese patent invalidation proceedings Unified Patents [13:02] techrights-bot/fn #epo giving more #patent #monopolies for #cancer https://www.streetinsider.com/Corporate+News/Enlivex+Therapeutics+%28ENLV%29+Announces+Issuance+of+New+European+Patent+Covering+Therapeutic+Compositions+of+Allocetra+and+CAR-T+Immunotherapies+for+Inhibition+or+Reduction+of+Cytokine+Storms+Associated/18559970.html https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2021/06/15/2247233/0/en/Enlivex [13:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.streetinsider.com | Enlivex Therapeutics (ENLV) Announces Issuance of New European Patent Covering Therapeutic Compositions of Allocetra and CAR-T Immunotherapies for Inhibition or Reduction of Cytokine Storms Associated [13:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2021/06/15/2247233/0/en/Enlivex ) [13:02] techrights-bot/fn -Announces-Issuance-of-New-European-Pat [13:03] techrights-bot/fn The EPOs stance on #cancer recalled, in light of an altercation from 2013 ( #patent application no. EP03017743.0, appeal number T0598/12-3.3.02) http://techrights.org/2015/12/26/epo-and-cancer/ [13:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Insensitivity at the EPOs Management Part II: Patent Office as a Cancer | Techrights [13:05] techrights-bot/fn It is absolute insanity to conflate #patents with publication and pretend that anything not patented simply does not exist (irrespective of how insipid those patents may be) https://www.hortidaily.com/article/9330555/china-produces-more-crispr-cas-publications-than-eu-and-us-combined/ [13:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hortidaily.com | China produces more Crispr-Cas publications than EU and US combined [13:07] techrights-bot/fn Hopefully this pandemic can make more of these #patent #lawyers redundant; they were already waste of space and budget, wasting company resources by spreading their ruinous #religious to inflame wars, #litigation https://www.managingip.com/article/b1s9bbnfxvps3r/lawyers-predict-how-office-life-is-about-to-change [13:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Lawyers predict how office life is about to change | Managing Intellectual Property [13:11] techrights-bot/fn European #Patents challenged for obviousness again; JUVE turns that into some #lawyers #marketing SPAM https://www.juve-patent.com/news-and-stories/cases/success-for-womble-bond-dickinson-and-geofabrics-over-railway-track-beds/ [13:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.juve-patent.com | Success for Womble Bond Dickinson and Geofabrics over railway track beds - JUVE Patent [13:12] techrights-bot/fn "On May 11, Icelandic-based drug developer Alvotech filed a lawsuit against AbbVie seeking to undo what it alleges is a minefield of invalid patents surrounding what is arguably the pharma giants most prized possession: Humira." https://www.healio.com/news/rheumatology/20210617/market-gears-up-for-biosimilar-boom-in-2023-as-humira-exclusivity-draws-to-a-close [13:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.healio.com | Market gears up for biosimilar boom in 2023 as Humira exclusivity draws to a close [13:14] *mib_ldszmk (~5198ee27@q8ban9vyag5t6.irc) has joined #techrights [13:16] techrights-bot/fn #freenode webchat seems to have mostly been recovered, but their #irc servers block/limit my IP. https://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#techrights [13:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-webchat.freenode.net | Kiwi IRC [13:18] techrights-bot/fn Earlier today I mentioned #TaylorWessing ... don't forget that before their #teamUPC lies they also employed Klaus-Heiner Lehne with his rogue #swpats agenda http://techrights.org/2010/04/27/klaus-heiner-lehne-and-swpats/ [13:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Why Klaus-Heiner Lehne Lobbies for Software Patents (Money of Course) | Techrights [13:19] techrights-bot/fn #TaylorWessing is a really nasty so-called 'law' firm (undermining the law itself). 1) http://techrights.org/2020/05/15/latest-upc-spin-2020/ 2) http://techrights.org/2020/04/15/team-upc-is-not-listening/ 3) http://techrights.org/2011/04/18/klaus-heiner-and-ms-florian/ [13:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | British Government Again Confirms Death of the UPC, But Team UPC is Not Listening | Techrights [13:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Klaus-Heiner Lehne Blasted for Conflict of Interest, Florian Mller Shares His Interests | Techrights [13:22] *mib_ldszmk has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [13:30] techrights-bot/fn #geminiProtocol people making fun of #www inventor who became #drm apologist and bloat/monopoly booster (gave #w3c to Pentagon giants) and now NFT crank https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006705.html https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006704.html https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006706.html [13:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | A proposal to fund the Gemini project [13:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | A proposal to fund the Gemini project [13:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | A proposal to fund the Gemini project [13:34] techrights-bot/fn #freenode : from over 90,000 online users (a few months ago) to just over 20,000. A lot of that it Freenode's own fault at this stage. Had they not made a series of blunders/errors, they would still be over 50,000. https://netsplit.de/networks/statistics.php?net=freenode [13:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-netsplit.de | NO TITLE [13:36] *job has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:36] techrights-bot/fn #freenode staff leaving, update hours ago https://git.freenode.net/freenode-web/web-7-0/-/commit/a13c23f799e34a714102da85455c68e69f8b5d37 [13:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.freenode.net | Updated people (a13c23f7) Commits freenode-web / web-7-0 GitLab [13:39] techrights-bot/fn By all means I do commend #freenode for deciding to #deletegithub after I suggested that. I still don't know who or what provides site hosting because it's hidden behind #clownflare [13:41] techrights-bot/fn "A shiny replacement for http://freenode.net." https://git.freenode.net/freenode-web/web-7-0 [13:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net | freenode [13:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.freenode.net | freenode-web / web-7-0 GitLab [13:42] techrights-bot/fn " #freenode collects and uses certain information about users in order to provide services and enable certain functions." https://git.freenode.net/freenode-web/web-7-0/-/blob/main/content/pages/policies.md [13:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.freenode.net | content/pages/policies.md main freenode-web / web-7-0 GitLab [13:44] techrights-bot/fn This is where #freenode Ltd. is based/registered. https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5147184,-0.1234375,3a,75y,340.17h,89.68t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sGaY_ms9T5gmwbALXNwl0-g!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DGaY_ms9T5gmwbALXNwl0-g%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D334.05743%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192 [13:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google Maps [13:46] techrights-bot/fn Way to track who leaves and who joins #freenode https://git.freenode.net/freenode-web/web-7-0/-/commit/53c9cc0f3e519de07a2a1dd28b0c8d8e0d0c0398 [13:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.freenode.net | pretty sure i broke everything. added staff/removed some (53c9cc0f) Commits freenode-web / web-7-0 GitLab [13:47] techrights-bot/fn Today in #Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152483 [13:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines [13:53] techrights-bot/fn To better understand why #ircd was altered by #freenode look into the changes here https://git.freenode.net/freenode-public/IRCSERVER [13:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.freenode.net | freenode-public / IRCSERVER GitLab [13:55] *XRevan86 still doesn't understand the IRCd switch, [13:56] techrights-bot/fn "Please do not report security vulnerabilities on GitHub. Instead, get the attention of a developer in our development IRC channel at irc.inspircd.org #inspircd.dev and PM them the details." https://git.freenode.net/freenode-public/IRCSERVER/-/blob/insp3/.github/SECURITY.md #kiwiIRC removed. [13:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.freenode.net | .github/SECURITY.md insp3 freenode-public / IRCSERVER GitLab [13:57] XRevan86 This commit is from upstream, schestowitz. [13:57] techrights-bot/fn Will LC look to 'cancel' #freenode for calling their git branches 'master'? Does that mean they oppress people? https://git.freenode.net/freenode-public/IRCSERVER/-/tree/master [13:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.freenode.net | Files master freenode-public / IRCSERVER GitLab [13:57] schestowitz XRevan86: not all of it [13:57] schestowitz I think [13:57] schestowitz 6 days ago [13:57] schestowitz unless they pull it downstream still [13:57] XRevan86 Sadie Powell is the developer of InspIRCd [13:58] schestowitz "Sadie Powell " [13:58] schestowitz ah, OK [13:58] schestowitz yes, makes sense [13:58] XRevan86 She doesn't like what happened to freenode and won't collaborate. [13:59] XRevan86 And the master branch is from inspircd too. ● Jun 20 [14:00] schestowitz https://git.freenode.net/freenode-public/cms7/-/tree/master/ [14:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.freenode.net | Files master freenode-public / cms7 GitLab [14:00] schestowitz can you figure out where they host the same, based on this? [14:01] XRevan86 There's nothing for deployment here. [14:01] schestowitz https://git.freenode.net/freenode-public/freenodejobs [14:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.freenode.net | freenode-public / freenodejobs GitLab [14:01] schestowitz "Chris Lamb authored 1 year ago" [14:01] schestowitz THAT Lamb [14:02] XRevan86 https://chris-lamb.co.uk/ that Lamb? [14:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-chris-lamb.co.uk | Chris Lamb [14:02] schestowitz https://git.freenode.net/freenode-public/roadmap [14:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.freenode.net | freenode-public / roadmap GitLab [14:02] schestowitz they planned to move to solanum [14:03] XRevan86 schestowitz: It's known, yes. [14:03] XRevan86 Solanum is an effort to revive Charybdis and as such supersedes ircd-seven [14:05] XRevan86 schestowitz: And they did, on Libera Chat. [14:06] XRevan86 schestowitz: Ye won't be able to find where it's all hosted from the repos. The repos are pretty dead for one thing. [14:08] schestowitz I found out for myself... [14:09] techrights-bot/fn European Patent Convention (EPC) is routinely violated though, just like the firm that wrote it violates many laws and got sued for it, parties alleging #corruption https://www.mondaq.com/uk/patent/1079318/introduction-of-eurasian-industrial-design-protection [14:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | Introduction Of Eurasian Industrial Design Protection - Intellectual Property - UK [14:10] XRevan86 schestowitz: Asked around or found a subdomain that isn't behind cloudfront? [14:11] techrights-bot/fn This entire article is a Big Lie, and a lie that the corrupt #EPO bribed the FT for. #CorruptMedia lying the people under the guise of "news" https://www.ft.com/content/545395ae-06c1-4c12-9063-841cf9e70833 @zoobab [14:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ft.com | Delayed Europe patent court launch prolongs frustration | Financial Times [14:12] techrights-bot/fn #EPO Bought the Financial Times, Which Now Operates in Mouthpiece Mode for Mr. #Battistelli http://techrights.org/2016/06/10/epo-money-to-media-companies/ #FinancialTimes = #orruptMedia in service of rich criminals [14:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Bought the Financial Times, Which Now Operates in Mouthpiece Mode for Mr. Battistelli | Techrights [14:14] techrights-bot/fn "method for the distribution of information, typically digital information that is distributed actively, through broadcast media such as television and radio." = abstract #patents = #swpats = #fakepatents https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2021/6/17/prior-art-found-on-668-optinetix-patent [14:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unifiedpatents.com | Prior art found on '668 Optinetix patent Unified Patents [14:15] techrights-bot/fn FOSS Patents: #Munich may become the circuit with the most consistent patent case law in Germany if Judge Zigann is promoted and Judge Werner succeeds him http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/06/munich-may-become-circuit-with-most.html #fosspatents #de | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/20/#latest [14:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Munich may become the circuit with the most consistent patent case law in Germany if Judge Zigann is promoted and Judge Werner succeeds him [14:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [14:16] schestowitz XRevan86: I asked around [14:16] schestowitz but nobody could find the answer [14:16] schestowitz we know LC is all Microsoft, except the IRC side [14:17] XRevan86 schestowitz: Indeed. I doubt they can be convinced to self-host that though. [14:17] schestowitz I guess Microsoft is very very Liberal http://techrights.org/2021/04/04/microsoft-nationalism/ [14:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft: Nationalism As A Service (NaaS) | Techrights [14:17] schestowitz hosted by ICE provider [14:17] XRevan86 They're not in the same position as freenode, Ltd. [14:17] schestowitz managed by ICE provider [14:17] schestowitz very libera(tm) [14:18] schestowitz try figuring out the IP of freenode.net [14:18] XRevan86 But GitLab.com also provides hosting for static sites, why not use that [14:18] schestowitz not clownflare [14:19] XRevan86 schestowitz: cloudfront is there exactly to make that impossible [14:19] schestowitz what does this run? [14:20] schestowitz this still linked to shithub at the bottom [14:20] XRevan86 schestowitz: What is? [14:20] schestowitz https://www.findip-address.com/104.25.67.39 [14:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.findip-address.com | 104.25.67.39 - Find IP Address - Lookup and locate an ip address [14:20] XRevan86 Libera Chat uses Jekyll [14:21] schestowitz "" [14:21] schestowitz Cloudflare" [14:21] XRevan86 schestowitz: * Cloudflare, sorry [14:22] schestowitz ping chit.freenode.net [14:22] schestowitz PING chit.freenode.net (104.25.68.39) [14:22] schestowitz "The requested URL was not found on this server." [14:22] schestowitz https://chit.freenode.net/u/newsbot/125.Html [14:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://chit.freenode.net/u/newsbot/125.Html ) [14:22] schestowitz big H, so we know it's unix/linux/gnu [14:22] schestowitz " [14:22] schestowitz [14:23] schestowitz [14:23] schestowitz " [14:23] schestowitz :-) [14:23] XRevan86 schestowitz: Never doubted that. [14:23] XRevan86 schestowitz: Cute Git button there at the bottom. [14:23] schestowitz I notice preference there for MIT licence [14:25] schestowitz https://chit.freenode.net/u/newsbot/99.html [14:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-chit.freenode.net | newsbot - Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 16:57:31 GMT - freenode Chit [14:25] XRevan86 https://github.com/realrasengan/freenode-jobs that's the real source code [14:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - realrasengan/freenode-jobs: freenode Jobs aims to connect those looking to hire within the immense talent that can be found within the wider freenode community. https://jobs.freenode.net [14:25] schestowitz it's a very simple page with a very simple program and freenode log [14:25] schestowitz logo [14:25] XRevan86 Don't know what https://git.freenode.net/freenode-public/freenodejobs is [14:25] schestowitz very simple to implement this [14:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.freenode.net | freenode-public / freenodejobs GitLab [14:25] schestowitz but to guard against abuse very time-consuming [14:26] XRevan86 Probably an earlier attempt from the former staff? [14:26] schestowitz https://sitereport.netcraft.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffreenode.net [14:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sitereport.netcraft.com | Site report for https://freenode.net | Netcraft [14:26] schestowitz Domain registrargandi.ne [14:26] XRevan86 schestowitz: Ye expected something else? [14:27] *sepsinn (~sepsinn@c9nu4ummhfn7e.irc) has joined #techrights [14:27] XRevan86 schestowitz: We know how the domain registration is even organised on Gandi. [14:29] techrights-bot/fn FOSS Patents: #Apple , #Intel reject Fortress Investment's criticism that their second amended #antitrust complaint lacks plausibility, want to proceed to trial at long last http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/06/apple-intel-reject-fortress-investments.html #fosspatents | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/20/#latest [14:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Apple, Intel reject Fortress Investment's criticism that their second amended antitrust complaint lacks plausibility, want to proceed to trial at long last [14:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [14:30] schestowitz yes, but it's always worth doubled-blind testing [14:30] schestowitz if they used to be in shithub for hosting and got off it, that's a good thing [14:30] schestowitz they have rss [14:31] XRevan86 schestowitz: I want to emphasise that freenode, Ltd. is in a stronger position to self-host. [14:31] XRevan86 (don't know if they cared to move off GitHub Pages) [14:31] schestowitz Author: christel https://freenode.net/news/live-2018 [14:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net | freenode #live 2018 is a wrap, thank YOU! - freenode [14:32] XRevan86 The choice of site hosting is unfortunate but understandable to me. [14:33] schestowitz ANY dependence on ShitHub would contradicts those two: https://freenode.net/news/for-foss https://freenode.net/news/freenode-is-foss [14:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net | freenode exists for FOSS - freenode [14:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net | On freenode and its commitment to FOSS - freenode [14:33] schestowitz so I assume they plan to move or have moved off the proprietary things [14:34] XRevan86 If they can self-host GitLab, they definitely can pull off a mere static page. [14:34] schestowitz https://www.secjuice.com/finding-real-ips-of-origin-servers-behind-cloudflare-or-tor/ [14:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.secjuice.com | Finding real IPs of origin servers behind CloudFlare or Tor [14:38] schestowitz https://geekflare.com/find-real-ip-address-of-website-powered-by-cloudflare/ http://www.crimeflare.org:82/cfs.html [14:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-geekflare.com | Find Real IP address of Website Powered by Cloudflare [14:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.crimeflare.org | Uncovering bad guys hiding behind CloudFlare [14:39] schestowitz "A direct-connect IP address was found: freenode.net 5.63.147.125 UNITED KINGDOM " [14:39] schestowitz cannot access http://5.63.147.125/ [14:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Connection timed out after 10001 milliseconds ( status 0 @ http://5.63.147.125/ ) [14:39] schestowitz so maybe it only allowd httpd conns to CF IPs [14:40] schestowitz " [14:40] schestowitz Previous lookups for this domain: [14:40] schestowitz 2016-07-13: freenode.net 5.63.147.125 UNITED KINGDOM [14:40] schestowitz " [14:41] schestowitz https://www.findip-address.com/ [14:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.findip-address.com | Find IP Address - Lookup and locate an ip address [14:41] schestowitz " [14:41] schestowitz Hosting Services Inc [14:41] schestowitz domain100tb.com [14:41] schestowitz " [14:41] *job (~job@bfjdrpzm6v77y.irc) has joined #techrights [14:42] schestowitz http://www.crimeflare.org:82/cgi-bin/domlist/_18842-dina-noah [14:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.crimeflare.org | Uncovering bad guys hiding behind CloudFlare [14:42] schestowitz " [14:42] schestowitz dina noah freenode.com [14:42] schestowitz dina noah freenode.net [14:42] schestowitz " [14:42] schestowitz So I think we can safely say it's not shithub-hosted [14:42] schestowitz and they dumped shithub for code [14:43] techrights-bot/fn For the record, #freenode decided to #deletegithub whereas LC (Libera Chat) uses #proprietarysoftware of #Microsoft both for coding and for hosting their site (everything except the IRCd stuff). [14:44] techrights-bot/fn And even though #freenode hides the site behind #clownflare the real IP address is 5.63.147.125 [14:44] XRevan86 or maybe it's not, who knows [14:45] schestowitz seems likely it is [14:45] schestowitz and I can explain why [14:45] schestowitz but it was same address years ago [14:45] schestowitz so they changed nothing already done by christel and team [14:46] schestowitz we could always just ask her.. https://keybase.io/christel [14:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-keybase.io | christel (Christel Dahlskjaer) | Keybase [14:46] schestowitz but I doubt she wishes to say anything to anyone about it... [14:47] XRevan86 schestowitz: Speaking of, git.freenode.net is actually not behind cloudflare. [14:47] schestowitz "Events and Community Outreach at London Trust Media, Inc. / Private Internet Access." [14:47] schestowitz So she was a 'proper' staff of Lee. [14:47] XRevan86 It's hosted by Shells [14:47] schestowitz makes sense [14:47] schestowitz it's new [14:47] schestowitz and that's his brother's netblock [14:48] schestowitz https://github.com/christeld [14:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-christeld (Christel D.) GitHub [14:48] schestowitz she has an off choice of profile photo [14:48] schestowitz like something or someone died [14:48] XRevan86 schestowitz: If Christel had wanted to answer questions, she would've done so by now. [14:49] schestowitz https://www.indexoncensorship.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/EMK_4096web-1024x684.jpg [14:49] schestowitz XRevan86: maybe there are no easy answers (for her) [14:49] schestowitz either way, we now know a little more about the setup [14:49] schestowitz and the Shells(r) integration [14:49] schestowitz irc.com also [14:49] schestowitz I just want to predict the next step/s [14:49] XRevan86 I don't know why, but to me it's either the intention to stay away from the drama or from rasengan's lawyers. [14:50] schestowitz because they sure aren't saying anything... [14:50] schestowitz midnight... BOOM! DROP TABLE *.... [14:50] schestowitz let's move to another irc daemon and start from scratch [14:50] schestowitz sending many projects scrambling for channels and namespace [14:50] XRevan86 schestowitz: Well, ye should also see why freenode self-hosts GitLab and Libera Chat doesn't. [14:51] schestowitz wait [14:51] schestowitz LC doesn't even use GL [14:51] schestowitz they use GH [14:51] schestowitz that's a problem [14:51] schestowitz and contributes to many factors why I did not trust them [14:51] schestowitz no matter how much you and others urges me to jump across [14:51] schestowitz you don't simply jump with everyone to an IRC network that chooses Microsoft for everything [14:52] XRevan86 schestowitz: True, and I don't know why for the public hosting they're choosing GitHub. [14:52] schestowitz and they're technically competent so there is no excuse for that [14:52] schestowitz surely they know how to set up apache/lamp stack [14:52] XRevan86 schestowitz: Setup where? [14:52] schestowitz for one thing, github embargoes some nations [14:53] schestowitz so BYE BYE diversity and inclusiveness. http://techrights.org/2019/07/28/linux-foundation-microsoft-outsourcing/ [14:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | People From Half a Dozen Countries May be Banned From Participating in the Linux Foundation Because Its Outsourcing Many Projects to Microsoft/GitHub | Techrights [14:53] schestowitz XRevan86: anywhere [14:53] schestowitz the site of IRC networks doesn't need a beefy servers [14:53] XRevan86 schestowitz: If ye can convince Ariadne to stop using GitHub for everything, then maybe there's hope :) [14:53] schestowitz most people just connect over part 66xx [14:53] schestowitz *port [14:53] schestowitz or some HA sieve that then channels requests to their cluster of servers around the world [14:53] XRevan86 schestowitz: The donated servers are donated for IRCd, not for hosting a website or even git. [14:54] schestowitz the web site of freenode gets little traffic [14:54] schestowitz according to netcraft [14:54] XRevan86 schestowitz: Hmmm speaking of, I wonder where web.libera.chat is hosted. [14:54] schestowitz and netcraft is tilted in favour of sysadmin [14:54] schestowitz becayse they're more likely to install such toolbar, unlike Alexa [14:55] schestowitz XRevan86: go ahead and check [14:55] XRevan86 Cloudflare [14:55] schestowitz https://sitereport.netcraft.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffreenode.net [14:55] schestowitz "Site rank76796" [14:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sitereport.netcraft.com | Site report for https://freenode.net | Netcraft [14:55] schestowitz clounflare is nos hosting [14:55] schestowitz it's a gate [14:55] schestowitz *not [14:55] schestowitz or cdn [14:55] XRevan86 It means I can't check [14:56] schestowitz https://sitereport.netcraft.com/?url=www.tuxmachines.org [14:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sitereport.netcraft.com | Site report for http://www.tuxmachines.org | Netcraft [14:56] schestowitz "Site rank27333" [14:57] XRevan86 censys.io reveals that it's on a Hetzner VPS. [14:58] schestowitz LOL https://sitereport.netcraft.com/?url=linuxfoundation.org [14:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sitereport.netcraft.com | Site report for http://linuxfoundation.org | Netcraft [14:58] schestowitz 139398th [14:58] schestowitz very low [14:58] schestowitz interesting [14:59] schestowitz we might be the first ones to actually analyse and compare these sorts of things [14:59] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:59] schestowitz to me, it doesn't matter 'per se' [14:59] schestowitz but.. [14:59] XRevan86 Hm, well, if they have a VPS on Hetzner, then they can actually self-host their website. [14:59] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:59] schestowitz it gives you some insights into the minds of the 'bosses' of the networks [14:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 37.85 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 71.58 swarm size (avg): 301.82 [14:59] schestowitz XRevan86: so maybe their web admin/php/js hack is sort of a Microsoft fan [14:59] schestowitz and the team went along with it ● Jun 20 [15:00] XRevan86 I get that the website was brought up very early, and to start up kiwiirc they spent a lot more time but this is fixable. [15:00] schestowitz "yeah... sure... let's use github pages for our official site for up to 100,000 users" [15:00] schestowitz like some did with sourceforge btw [15:00] schestowitz and still do [15:01] XRevan86 schestowitz: It's not like sourceforge, because they can rehost the website in a matter of hours. [15:01] XRevan86 It's Jekyll [15:01] MinceR 20 073236 < DaemonFC> Ra wasn't a very exceptional Goa'uld though. He'd been living the same way for thousands of years and seemed to be barely self-aware. [15:01] MinceR i think they all were prior the events of Stargate [15:01] immibis XRevan86: a VPS isn't exactly self-hosting, it's VPS-hosting [15:01] XRevan86 immibis: I think that would suffice. [15:02] schestowitz those are portable [15:02] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [15:02] schestowitz take image, port, power up [15:02] immibis and i would think that github would suffice as long as you had an escape plan, because git is portable. But clearly it doesn't [15:02] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [15:02] schestowitz github is all vendor lockin [15:02] schestowitz "Issues" are not Git [15:02] XRevan86 Now git is another story. They sure can self-host gitea fairly easily, but GitLab and gitea are on two different levels. [15:02] schestowitz that's the third E in WWW [15:02] schestowitz *EEEE [15:02] schestowitz over WWW [15:02] schestowitz add some web 'features' [15:03] schestowitz make sure you deviate from the original [15:03] XRevan86 schestowitz: Regarding the website specifically, it's not vendor lock-in. [15:03] schestowitz ok, so move it on [15:03] schestowitz deploy to another IP, change dns [15:03] XRevan86 schestowitz: They don't need to change DNS because Cloudflare %) [15:03] schestowitz clearly they don't feel like Microsoft owning their site is a problem [15:04] schestowitz so clownflare settings need changing [15:04] XRevan86 yes [15:04] schestowitz anyway that reeks of Microsoft apologism [15:04] schestowitz ICE apologism [15:04] schestowitz they host code with ICE enablers [15:04] schestowitz they host their site with ICE enablers [15:04] schestowitz don't give me that "libera" spiel [15:05] schestowitz they're helping racist nationalists [15:05] schestowitz but so many are still in denial about it http://techrights.org/2020/09/27/salesforce-works-for-ice/ [15:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The OSIs President Apparently Does Not Know That His Own Employer (Salesforce) Works for ICE | Techrights [15:05] schestowitz matter if optics [15:05] schestowitz *of [15:07] techrights-bot/fn "...comprised of experts from the national IP offices of the EU"... NONSENSE! #EUIPO lacks experts. They hire FRIENDS, it's #nepotism ! https://www.mondaq.com/uk/trademark/1078578/european-intellectual-property-office-announces-publication-of-cp11-common-practice see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EUIPO [15:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | European Intellectual Property Office Announces Publication Of CP11 Common Practice - Intellectual Property - European Union [15:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EUIPO - Techrights [15:08] MinceR both tribes are racist, afaict :> [15:08] XRevan86 'tis a sad world [15:08] XRevan86 People cannot even pick a lesser evil if the third option is not working out for them. [15:09] schestowitz MinceR: i would not say "Racist" [15:09] schestowitz I would say this [15:09] schestowitz (and I wrote about it this morning) [15:09] schestowitz they seem to care too much about politics and not enough about the software and communities [15:09] schestowitz they use those people's need for collab tools to exert some pressure [15:10] schestowitz for fun ("lols", "shits and giggles") and for some personal vendetta [15:10] schestowitz same people who were freenode staff before the disapora [15:10] immibis schestowitz: you can't simultaneously say it's okay as long as they're not locked in, and that they must move it to prove they're not locked in [15:10] schestowitz and they're also in the 4-letter acronym network [15:10] XRevan86 1. big bad master; 2. small not as bad master; 3. no master. "hm. we cannot afford to ditch the masters, eh, let's just go with the big bad one" [15:10] immibis MinceR: some are more racist than others [15:10] schestowitz XRevan86: they went with master Bill Gates [15:10] XRevan86 this seems to be a common pattern of decision-making [15:11] schestowitz maybe he'll get them a plane ticket to Marshall Iseland [15:11] schestowitz he has 4 planes [15:11] XRevan86 GitLab.com is not perfect, so why bother, amirite? [15:11] schestowitz not counting Jeff's [15:11] schestowitz *Island [15:11] XRevan86 we won't fix any problems if we cannot fix all the problems [15:11] schestowitz gitlab.com com likely makes export for self-hosting easy [15:12] schestowitz github is 100% proprietary and centralised [15:12] schestowitz "NOBODY LEAVES!" [15:12] schestowitz Not with your full data anyway [15:12] schestowitz it's what Microsoft wanted codeplex to become [15:12] XRevan86 schestowitz: An easy example: Ariadne went from GitHub to self-hosting sourcehut back to GitHub. [15:13] schestowitz I wonder why FSF is taking so long to make its gitlab Savannah deriv ready for all [15:13] XRevan86 if the ultimate solution doesn't work out, back out to no solution [15:13] schestowitz they keep skipping their own self-imposed deadlines [15:13] XRevan86 it's not a beef with Ariadn personally, just the nearest example [15:13] schestowitz XRevan86: iirc, Ariadne said she had issues on the admin side of sh [15:13] XRevan86 I see this time and time again. [15:14] schestowitz and some people she works with struggled a bit [15:14] schestowitz sh supports gemini:/// [15:14] schestowitz we use plain git in techrights [15:14] schestowitz git pull, commit, push etc. [15:14] XRevan86 schestowitz: Exactly, no one wants a partial moderate solution. [15:14] schestowitz it's no harder than svn [15:15] XRevan86 that doesn't address the problem in fullness [15:15] XRevan86 so instead people go back to not addressing the problem at all [15:15] schestowitz well, tough luck [15:15] schestowitz they will pay dearly [15:15] schestowitz remember what happened to Google Code [15:15] XRevan86 "we tried, it didn't work out, back to GitHub for us" [15:16] schestowitz github will vanish one say [15:16] schestowitz *day [15:16] schestowitz or implement terrible changes [15:16] schestowitz pricing, ui, shutdown... [15:16] schestowitz maybe block a dozen more countries [15:16] immibis then you push somewhere else [15:17] schestowitz XRevan86: iirc, you used loadaverage gnu social instance [15:17] immibis if freenode's collapse starts a self-hosting movement i'm all for it, but you don't have to [15:17] schestowitz and that's no longer alive [15:17] schestowitz I was in that situation many times before [15:17] schestowitz when pleroma.site was shut down I created my own thing in my personal site [15:17] activelow at leat at it's core git itself is not compromised, which is git itself [15:17] schestowitz static too, so no maintenance required [15:18] schestowitz activelow: not yet [15:18] schestowitz the microsofters try to wrest control of it [15:18] schestowitz but gitlab won't let them [15:18] schestowitz enough vigilant people out there, still [15:20] techrights-bot/fn " #Yew is a really nice framework for writing single-page-applications in Rust, that is then compiled to wasm for running in the browser." https://fy.blackhats.net.au/blog/html/2021/06/20/getting_started_with_yew.html [15:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Peer reports incompatible or unsupported protocol version. ( status 0 @ https://fy.blackhats.net.au/blog/html/2021/06/20/getting_started_with_yew.html ) [15:20] XRevan86 immibis: I don't want to rain on that parade. [15:21] techrights-bot/fn Surface Suspension Protocol Proposed For #Wayland - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Wayland-Surface-Suspension #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/20/#latest [15:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Surface Suspension Protocol Proposed For Wayland - Phoronix [15:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [15:21] schestowitz XRevan86: but? [15:22] XRevan86 schestowitz: Looks like the trend is the opposite. [15:22] XRevan86 Some projects moved to Matrix.org [15:23] *alextee (~alextee@p5ururacf4pq4.irc) has joined #techrights [15:23] alextee https://www.lunduke.com/2021/06/vaccine-passport-company-the-linux-foundation-requires-using-their-vaccine-passport-system-for-all-open-source-events/ [15:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Vaccine Passport company, The Linux Foundation, requires using their Vaccine Passport system for all Open Source events The Lunduke Journal of Technology [15:23] techrights-bot/fn Web site bribed by #billgates who has been stealing schools for profit at taxpayers' expense (for over a decade) https://www.seattletimes.com/education-lab/let-them-eat-snacks-covid-aside-students-still-need-to-eat-and-drink-in-school/ [15:24] XRevan86 rasengan diminished IRC's use like no one else. [15:24] MinceR [citation needed] [15:24] techrights-bot/fn #seattletimes does not disclose that it has been bribed by #billgates and now it spreads #propaganda for this criminal https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/have-gates-foundation-efforts-to-vaccinate-the-world-against-covid-19-helped-or-hindered/ [15:25] techrights-bot/fn #seattletimes : we take bribe money from #billgates to give a voice to the #gatesfoundation and help it lie to the public. #corruptMedia #propaganda [15:25] *TechrightsBot-tr has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:26] techrights-bot/fn #billgates -bribed #SeattleTimes Uses #Copyright Law for Censorship, to Defend #SteveBallmer http://techrights.org/2010/11/20/seattle-times-vs-free-speech/ [15:27] techrights-bot/fn Before #billgates bribes you http://techrights.org/2010/04/25/seattle-times-on-msft-olympia-clout/ [15:28] techrights-bot/fn 2011: #SeattleTimes Funded by the Gates Foundation to Praise the #GatesFoundation http://techrights.org/2011/08/18/seattle-times-gates-funding/ #Techrights | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2011/08/18/seattle-times-gates-funding/ [15:29] techrights-bot/fn 2011: Funded by #BillGates , the #SeattleTimes Anonymously Lobbies for #GatesFoundation Agenda http://techrights.org/2011/08/27/gates-to-drive-policy/ #Techrights | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2011/08/27/gates-to-drive-policy/ [15:30] techrights-bot/fn tl;dr: so-called 'journalists' who defend #gatesfoundation #plunder are in fact salaried (yes, bribed) by #billgates to do so. #corruptMedia https://www.cjr.org/criticism/gates-foundation-journalism-funding.php [15:31] techrights-bot/fn Being Superrich Doesnt Make You a Superhero https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/20/opinion/rich-musk-gates-bezos-comics.html older: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-bill-gates.html [15:31] *TechrightsBot-tr (~TR@ju4kayhrhsm6a.irc) has joined #techrights [15:31] TechrightsBot-tr Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77 [15:33] XRevan86 MinceR: On what? That some projects ditched IRC altogether or on that rasengan's actions dimished the IRC community like nothing else? [15:33] XRevan86 * diminished [15:35] techrights-bot/fn This is a great example of #gnu #linux but NOT #softwarefreedom ... we need to tackle the underlying issues, not just brands https://www.newindianexpress.com/lifestyle/tech/2021/jun/06/chromebook-ready-2311399.html [15:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.newindianexpress.com | Chromebook ready?- The New Indian Express [15:39] techrights-bot/fn #Vaccine Passport company, The Linux Foundation, requires using their Vaccine Passport system for all Open Source events http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152484 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines http://techrights.org/2021/06/10/lf-mass-surveillance/ [15:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Vaccine Passport company, The Linux Foundation, requires using their Vaccine Passport system for all Open Source events | Tux Machines [15:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation is a Foundation of Mass Surveillance | Techrights [15:40] schestowitz alextee: thanks [15:40] schestowitz I deleted him from my rss feeds [15:40] schestowitz on LF I usually agree with him [15:40] MinceR XRevan86: that this was a greater drop than the ones that happened earlier [15:40] *hawthorn has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:40] alextee [15:41] XRevan86 MinceR: It's the greatest contribution to a drop of one man. [15:41] MinceR that's not that easy to prove [15:44] techrights-bot/fn KOL344 | With Adam Terrell of Theocracy: #Copyrights Are Unlawful https://www.stephankinsella.com/paf-podcast/kol344-with-adam-terrell-of-theocracy-copyrights-are-unlawful/ #stephankinsella | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/20/#latest [15:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.stephankinsella.com | KOL344 | With Adam Terrell of Theocracy: Copyrights Are Unlawful [15:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [15:45] XRevan86 MinceR: When everyone on the largest network is thrown out of their comfort zone, left with an individual decision about what side to choose, it's not hard to imagine that to some people that's too much. [15:46] techrights-bot/fn "The two companies are both manufacturers and sellers of agricultural equipment. Mr Jeffrey Claydon, CEO of Claydon, to whom the patents were granted, appeared as a third party to the dispute." http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/06/17/prior-public-disclosure-in-claydon-yield-o-meter-v-mzuri-a-dangerous-precedent/ [15:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Prior Public Disclosure in Claydon Yield-O-Meter v Mzuri: a Dangerous Precedent - Kluwer Patent Blog [15:47] techrights-bot/fn Missed deadlines: where things stand with the #EU #Copyright Directive https://www.managingip.com/article/b1s8ybdtrzp9vn/missed-deadlines-where-things-stand-with-the-eu-copyright-directive [15:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Missed deadlines: where things stand with the EU Copyright Directive | Managing Intellectual Property [15:47] schestowitz XRevan86: like IPFire [15:47] schestowitz jabber adopted [15:47] schestowitz some adopted part matrix, part something else [15:48] XRevan86 The accusations that everyone's actually evil aren't helping it either. [15:50] techrights-bot/fn Despite all the #billgates scandals and crimes, Bill's bribed 'papers' in the #uk (like #bbc and #guardian 'news') still relay #gatesfoundation propaganda and serve as outlets of his (for-profit)a agenda. Appalling. Does he need to commit a war crimes before they stop this? [15:51] MinceR XRevan86: and how many people left when some script kiddie (allegedly Nessun) DDoS-sed DALnet? [15:51] MinceR XRevan86: lots of people left QuakeNet also, for some reason [15:51] techrights-bot/fn "I got by now that this is pretty common in Gemini space but there are servers, serving generated content (blogs or games or whatever) and so no assumption about how big files are should be made..." https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006765.html #geminiprotocol #geminispace [15:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | a space case for transparent gemtext compression [15:52] XRevan86 MinceR: I'm not long enough on IRC, and even then IRC is not in as a strong position right now. [15:52] MinceR indeed [15:52] MinceR that's why fewer people were around to leave in the first place [15:53] techrights-bot/fn #Mesa Lands Work Around Async glFlush - Should Help Workstation Performance - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Async-glFlush-Viewperf-Mesa #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/20/#latest [15:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mesa Lands Work Around Async glFlush - Should Help Workstation Performance - Phoronix [15:53] XRevan86 The rasengan-induced event is the one where people were the most likely to leave for good. [15:55] techrights-bot/fn Akademy 2021 - Day 2 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152482#comment-30001 [15:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE: Akademy, Kalendar (GSoC 2021) | Tux Machines [15:56] XRevan86 I hope they'll find their way back. [15:57] *job has quit (connection closed) [15:58] techrights-bot/fn "The newest Intel Tiger Lake-powered InfinityBook from Linux laptop company @TUXEDO Computers rocks a 16:10 (YES!), 3K display. Let's unbox it and talk about it." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlIuo-w_eIU paid-for 'review' ("LINUX FOR EVERYONE CONTENT IS MADE POSSIBLE BY A LONG-TERM PARTNERSHIP WITH TUXEDO COMPUTER") [15:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux Laptop Unboxing: TUXEDO InfinityBook Pro 14 - YouTube [15:59] techrights-bot/fn Linux 5.13 Lands More Fixes To The Mucked Up FPU/XSTATE Handling Mess - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.13-More-XSTATE-Mess #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/20/#latest [15:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux 5.13 Lands More Fixes To The Mucked Up FPU/XSTATE Handling Mess - Phoronix ● Jun 20 [16:03] techrights-bot/fn #Apache vs #Nginx : Which Web Server You Should Choose http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152485 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Apache vs Nginx: Which Web Server You Should Choose | Tux Machines [16:04] XRevan86 > Apache uses a process-driven approach and creates a new thread for each request. [16:04] *XRevan86 sighs. [16:06] XRevan86 So which one is it: process-driven or thread-driven? [16:07] techrights-bot/fn "Im one of the Google Summer of Code (GSoC 2021) interns contributing to the GNOME Foundation. And I'm contributing to the libsecret project." https://dnuka.github.io/gsoc21-internship.html can we trust #security from GAFAM (Pemntagon) front that's hosting on #microsoft #ProprietarySofwtare though? [16:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dnuka.github.io | GSoC 21: Contributing to Gnome libsecret [16:07] MinceR maybe it also uses a thread-driven approach to create a new process for each request [16:07] XRevan86 Also mpm_event has a way more complicated approach. [16:08] XRevan86 MinceR: If only that were actually true though. [16:08] techrights-bot/fn LOL. So #GNOMEFoundation promotes #TPM now... on #IBM payroll with Gulag Summer of Work. How fitting. Not #softwarefreedom at all http://techrights.org/wiki/GNOME_Foundation#Introduction [16:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GNOME Foundation - Techrights [16:09] XRevan86 > require hundreds of heavyweight threads of processes [16:09] XRevan86 Yea, that's definitely not how Apache httpd works. [16:11] XRevan86 > Unlike Ngnix, Apache can process dynamic content by embedding a processor of a language like PHP into each of its worker instances. [16:11] XRevan86 This sentence pains me so much. [16:11] immibis XRevan86: that sentence is accurate - apache can load a php module and run php inproc, but nginx likes fastcgi better [16:12] XRevan86 immibis: It can, while degrading back to mpm_prefork. [16:12] XRevan86 immibis: And then it's not even "hundreds of threads", it's hundreds of separate processes [16:12] XRevan86 so from Apache httpd being actually better than described here it will be much worse than described [16:13] techrights-bot/fn This other Gulag Summer of Work project seems more benign than the #TPM one... and it's also not hosted by #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware trap #github https://visveshs.blogspot.com/2021/06/an-update-on-my-gsoc-project.html [16:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-visveshs.blogspot.com | An Update on my GSoC project [16:15] XRevan86 immibis: He describes shooting oneself in the foot as a feature Apache httpd has over nginx. [16:15] techrights-bot/fn #FDA crisis. Protector of the public of rubber-stamping agency now? https://about.bgov.com/news/health-care-briefing-more-time-needed-on-fda-pick-becerra-says/ [16:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-about.bgov.com | HEALTH CARE BRIEFING: More Time Needed on FDA Pick, Becerra Says | Bloomberg Government [16:16] techrights-bot/fn Who is destroying #patent systems? These sorts of judges from #Texas , who turned courts into corporations https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/06/albright-unreasonable-egregious.html [16:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Judge Albright is not "So Unreasonable or Egregious" [16:17] XRevan86 While in actuality it's not even as easy to do these days: distros provide php-fpm configuration instead of mod_php these days. [16:19] *CrystalMath (~coderain@hcdzgjg37iuk6.irc) has joined #techrights [16:21] XRevan86 So yet another "comparison" that compares common misconceptions with each other. [16:22] alextee https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Google-Wants-Rust-In-Kernel [16:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google Wants To See Rust Code In The Linux Kernel, Contracts The Main Developer - Phoronix [16:22] alextee hmm [16:23] MinceR lol @ Gulag Summer of Work [16:24] activelow not sure yet what "in the kernel" will be, if it is some module or real core components [16:24] psydroid I want to see the Linux Kernel Contract an Oxygen Infection and Rust [16:24] MinceR i don't [16:24] alextee exactly how many "safety issues" have caused problems in linux so far? [16:25] alextee i don't care if they just allow rust drivers but writing core parts of the kernel in rust is concerning [16:25] activelow i'll drop linux kernel then [16:25] alextee i wish hurd received more attention [16:25] activelow hurd is x86-64 only [16:25] MinceR would that end their plan to adopt a massive single point of failure? [16:26] alextee hurd is what you make it, if someone makes it support more archs it will [16:26] psydroid Couldn't they adopt seL4? [16:26] CrystalMath MinceR: honestly... suddenly, my friend's license (the Mysoft license) doesn't sound so bad [16:27] activelow cannot catch up with system integration anymore at least to keep the system running from source, leave alone a tiny hobby project such as implementing a microkernel for multiple architectures [16:27] CrystalMath it prohibits people from reusing the code in any programming language that supports OOP [16:28] *XRevan86 looks at GObject [16:28] XRevan86 oh no, now C is a goner [16:28] XRevan86 CrystalMath: At least bash is safe, right? [16:28] CrystalMath ugh :P [16:29] CrystalMath my friend Mysoft allows C though, he clarified the license specifically [16:29] CrystalMath C is allowed, freebasic is allowed [16:29] XRevan86 Ah, so it's not generalised, just "okay, so C is good" [16:29] MinceR CrystalMath: that's stupid [16:29] CrystalMath yeah it needs to be better codified [16:30] MinceR no, it needs to be abandoned [16:30] XRevan86 CrystalMath: OOP can and is implemented in C at least partially. [16:30] CrystalMath i have 1 program that work on that is under that license [16:30] CrystalMath XRevan86: no it has to be that the *language* supports it [16:30] XRevan86 CrystalMath: And OOP in Rust and Go is not complete either. [16:30] CrystalMath then it's forbidden [16:30] MinceR any language that is not specifically exempted could be later extended to add OOP [16:30] activelow verifying linux kernel source code with llvm/clang compiler for various inconsistencies is benefitial, rust lang isn't [16:30] MinceR and suddenly the license would be revoked for other people [16:30] CrystalMath MinceR: an older version of the language can still be used then :) [16:31] CrystalMath like C99 is okay [16:31] XRevan86 GObject works on C89 [16:31] CrystalMath even though C99 has awesome things like RAII [16:31] MinceR pretty sure C99 can handle GObject too [16:31] CrystalMath well not C99... gnu99 [16:31] CrystalMath gnu99 has RAII without classes :) [16:31] *XRevan86 laughed at that. [16:31] MinceR and you can probably write lisp in it, and use something like [Tiny]CLOS on that [16:32] MinceR if a language is Turing-complete, you can implement Lisp in it [16:32] CrystalMath MinceR: nah this is not allowed, the program itself cannot be used as a basis to write code that is OOP [16:32] MinceR so it's just plain proprietary [16:32] MinceR because there's no language you could reuse the code in [16:32] CrystalMath however tbh, Mysoft wouldn't even give me a copy of the Mysoft license with that one program, so it's really just used and modified with his permission [16:32] CrystalMath it's pretty awesome though [16:33] XRevan86 MinceR: Um, it's proprietary either way, ye didn't realise that sooner? :> [16:33] MinceR i did [16:34] CrystalMath i'm gonna rewrite that program from XCB to libX11 [16:34] CrystalMath to make it more legacy :) [16:34] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Make sure it compiles on a pre-C89 compiler. [16:35] CrystalMath good idea too [16:35] MinceR specifically, K&R [16:35] CrystalMath yeah, screw new-style function definitions [16:35] XRevan86 the first published version of C, yes [16:39] activelow i am not sure yet, linux kernel can benefit from google supporting it can be compiled with llvm/clang (which already was accomplished), rust lang isn't benefitial [16:41] activelow since GCC is is a hard dependency of the entire free software ecosystem, i am not aware of any distribution which could be compiled without GCC (or clang recently) [16:41] activelow and i do not feel comfortable with either GCC or clang/llvm [16:41] techrights-bot/fn #Security Leftovers and Proprietary Software http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152486 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers and Proprietary Software | Tux Machines [16:42] techrights-bot/fn #Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152487 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [16:43] techrights-bot/fn Todays #HowTos | #UNIX and software http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152488 [16:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos and software | Tux Machines [16:43] techrights-bot/fn #Kernel: ENQCMD, Mesa, and Wayland http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152489 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel: ENQCMD, Mesa, and Wayland | Tux Machines [16:43] saint_dogbert/fn activelow: Gentoo is working on that. Last I heard, ~75% of the stuff in portage could be compiled without GCC [16:44] XRevan86 activelow: The kernel will truly be free only when it will be compileable with Watcom on DOS. [16:44] techrights-bot/fn Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152490 [16:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [16:45] activelow saint_dogbert: llvm/clang isn't the sultion to the problem either [16:45] activelow the compiler question is tied to supported platforms, and a compiler remaining self-hosted on any [16:45] saint_dogbert/fn I'm not sure there is currently any real solution right now [16:45] XRevan86 OpenWatcom :D [16:46] saint_dogbert/fn for a few years, I thought Intel C compiler would be a solution until they made their free license even stricter and got caught rigging the game against AMD... again... [16:46] saint_dogbert/fn that pretty much ended that [16:46] activelow good point XRevan86, the entire tool and development environment surrounding a programming language and compiler too is critical [16:46] activelow wouldn't want to depend on eclipse with my work [16:46] activelow as an example [16:47] XRevan86 activelow: Uh, I was mocking CrystalMath but sure :) [16:47] CrystalMath that is correct, but i'm not joking, i'm actually porting the program back to X11 [16:47] XRevan86 C doesn't have this IDE problem. [16:47] techrights-bot/fn Links 20/6/2021: Akademy 2021 Underway and Linux Foundation Blasted http://techrights.org/2021/06/20/akademy-2021-underway/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/20/akademy-2021-underway/ [16:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 20/6/2021: Akademy 2021 Underway and Linux Foundation Blasted | Techrights [16:47] CrystalMath it doesn't make a lot of sense from a technical standpoint, but it's fun to do [16:48] XRevan86 CrystalMath: There's no Xlib on DOS though. [16:48] activelow anyway, a free and open platform for development had to consider hardware development, including circuit design and software tooling involved to deploy any circuit design [16:48] CrystalMath XRevan86: that's because there's no X on DOS :D [16:48] CrystalMath but what i do for DOS + unix compatibility [16:48] MinceR well, time to implement X for DOS, then [16:48] CrystalMath is use XLib *only* to move a pixmap to the screen [16:48] CrystalMath using a palette [16:48] saint_dogbert/fn or... switch to OSX ;) [16:48] CrystalMath that i define manually [16:49] CrystalMath then i can do VGA and XLib with one code ;) [16:49] CrystalMath it's just that on VGA, i set the palette in hardware, and for X i set the palette in software [16:49] CrystalMath the other problem is input [16:49] CrystalMath IRQ 1 handler vs. XGetEvent() [16:50] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Ye need an abstraction layer. Consider Motif. [16:50] CrystalMath too large [16:50] CrystalMath i already wrote this thing for something i wanted to make [16:50] CrystalMath but then i gave up on making that [16:50] CrystalMath however... now i'm going to make something else with that system :) [16:50] CrystalMath it can be compile for DOS or for X :) [16:50] CrystalMath *compiled [16:50] CrystalMath very fun [16:51] activelow if the compiler suite and development tooling is bloated (such as llvm/clang and gcc alike) then such cannot remain self-hosted on limited embedded platforms [16:51] MinceR lol @ OSX [16:51] CrystalMath MinceR: yeah, mistyped MSX [16:51] MinceR sounds nasty [16:51] activelow meaning gcc, llvm etc do require a powerful workstation hardware or laptop from intel/amd/... [16:51] CrystalMath https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSX [16:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | MSX - Wikipedia [16:51] MinceR oh, there is X for DOS, though it isn't free [16:51] MinceR http://toastytech.com/guis/dvx.html [16:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-toastytech.com | DESQview/X [16:52] CrystalMath MinceR: meh, why use that? [16:52] CrystalMath i don't need any features from X except "draw the damn pixmap on the screen [16:52] CrystalMath i do everything UI-related manually [16:52] MinceR pft [16:52] XRevan86 activelow: Ye've opened my eyes on the hurdles of compiling compilers on tiny embedded computers. [16:53] activelow linux kernel did somehow vendor lock-in to specific hardware, since it couldn't be compiled with tinycc/pcc/or similar, the entire free software ecosystem did [16:56] activelow although free software exists, their "means of production" isn't free, such as hardware development tooling where the horro begins already [16:57] CrystalMath hmm, okay so my first step will be to get rid of the dependency on xcb-image [16:57] XRevan86 If only someone made a non-x86 processor that's faster than 80 MHz [16:57] *immibis should finally finish that cpu project, so he can finally realize it doesn't work for some reason [16:58] XRevan86 If only non-x86 SOHO routers existed with Linux on board. [16:58] immibis XRevan86: they do? [16:58] XRevan86 immibis: Are ye sure? [16:58] *alextee has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:58] CrystalMath MinceR: you know, i could also trivially add win32 support this way [16:58] CrystalMath windows is even better with its BitBlt() interface [16:58] XRevan86 immibis: I just heard that Linux's tooling is vendor locked on x86, is that not true? %) [16:59] MinceR CrystalMath: i don't care about microsoft's crap [16:59] MinceR MSX, win32, whatever [16:59] CrystalMath MinceR: yeah but it's super convenient [16:59] MinceR for microsoft [16:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 27.86 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 35.08 swarm size (avg): 302.02 ● Jun 20 [17:00] XRevan86 activelow: People run Gentoo on Raspberry Pi. [17:00] activelow even when free and open hardware is advertised i would raise the question what software tooling was required for circuit design and deployment, if it is Xilinx/Altera/... then it may not be free [17:01] activelow XRevan86: raspberry Pi is microsoft/broadcom, won't touch this [17:02] XRevan86 activelow: It's an example of a single-board computer (not x86, mind you) [17:02] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:02] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:04] XRevan86 hmm is "you" in "mind you" a subject or an object? [17:04] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [17:04] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [17:04] activelow XRevan86: although allwinner and rockchip are suspicious these may be a better choice than rpi, i wouldn't recommend any of it anyway [17:05] activelow it is interesting btw. on Amazon raspberry is somewhat advertised aggressively by product placement [17:05] XRevan86 Should be a subject, right? [17:06] activelow linux isn't directly vendor locked, it is indirectly by various means [17:09] activelow for example: since ARM embedded didn't suffice for self-hosted gcc or llvm/clang development environment often (changed recently with modern SBCs) developers often use cross-compilers or qemu on their x86 workstations to develop for and deploy to arm [17:09] XRevan86 Because compiling on weaker machines is fun. [17:10] activelow problem isn't cross-compilers or qemu, problem is no compiler alternative to gcc or llvm/clang exist which sufficed to compile linux-kernel [17:10] XRevan86 everyone would've done so if they could [17:10] XRevan86 activelow: gcc and clang can run there just fine [17:10] XRevan86 but why, right? [17:11] activelow XRevan86? [17:11] XRevan86 Do ye think something like tinycc would do the job faster? [17:11] activelow last time linux kernel was compiled without gcc (or llvm/clang recently) was linux kernel version 2.6 with tinycc, and this was almost 10years ago [17:11] activelow XRevan86: yes pcc/tcc and similar are 10x faster [17:11] XRevan86 activelow: And the result is just as good? [17:12] activelow couldn't verify yet myself XRevan86, according to some articles and wikipedia the output is sufficiently optimised [17:12] activelow for C language that is [17:13] techrights-bot/fn Experimental Reiser5 File-System Patch Updated For Linux 5.12 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152491 [17:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Experimental Reiser5 File-System Patch Updated For Linux 5.12 | Tux Machines [17:14] *alextee (~alextee@p5ururacf4pq4.irc) has joined #techrights [17:14] techrights-bot/fn What You Should Know About Switching to Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152492 [17:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | What You Should Know About Switching to Linux | Tux Machines [17:16] XRevan86 activelow: That claim can be sufficiently verified [17:16] XRevan86 activelow: pcc or tcc? [17:17] XRevan86 Which one of them has sufficiently optimised output? [17:17] techrights-bot/fn Take away their #patents https://www.ymf-law.com/post/applicability-of-patent-safe-harbor-to-conduct-supporting-foreign-regulatory-approvals [17:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ymf-law.com | Applicability of Patent Safe Harbor to Conduct Supporting Foreign Regulatory Approvals [17:17] activelow XRevan86: with both there was some efforts; OpenBSD tested pcc, and some Linux-related efforts were made with tinycc, 10years ago iitc [17:19] techrights-bot/fn #GAFAM should just get the hell out of #europe and stop their Orwellian #surveillance agenda http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/06/apple-and-google-are-partly-to-blame.html same for #ibm and #microsoft for that matter. http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/06/apple-and-google-are-partly-to-blame.html [17:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Apple and Google are partly to blame for Europe's problems with hypercontagious Delta variant, should stop putting privacy over human lives and public health [17:21] techrights-bot/fn #billgates -bribed #billBC looking for excuses... for why the #patent #cartel of #billandmelindagatesfoundation is NOT solving the issue too well (AZ). [17:22] techrights-bot/fn Latest on an absurd cases wherein #patents / #monopolies on life and nature are sought as if they're inventions https://www.patentdocs.org/2021/06/broad-opposes-cvcs-motion-to-exclude-evidence-and-cvc-files-reply.html #patent #crispr [17:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patentdocs.org | Patent Docs: Broad Opposes CVC's Motion to Exclude Evidence and CVC Files Reply [17:24] techrights-bot/fn Lawsuit after lawsuit. #germany made itself another #texas https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/innovative-foundry-technologies-resolves-infringement-dispute-with-smic-and-initiates-new-patent-litigation-301314816.html [17:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.prnewswire.com | Innovative Foundry Technologies Resolves Infringement Dispute with SMIC and Initiates New Patent Litigation [17:26] XRevan86 activelow: I don't want to break your heart [17:26] techrights-bot/fn Even on a Sunday about 10k more #covid19 cases in the #uk with 39.6% rise in hospitalisations and 12.5% rise in deaths this past week. Not exactly a badge of honour or endorsement for the #patents #cartel of #billgates (AZ). [17:27] XRevan86 activelow: So some time ago I wrote a Levenshtein distance calculator to see how some compilers perform. [17:29] techrights-bot/fn Nowadays "medical device" is sometimes just a slant on or a buzzword for algorithms / #swpats https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=9a651888-6f2d-48f8-bca0-7e521c1555ce see http://techrights.org/2019/04/08/software-as-a-medical-device-samd-like-medtech-at-the-epo-just-another-dodge-for-illegitimate-software-patents/ [17:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-'Could versus would' approach to inventive step assessment in medical device case - Lexology [17:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Software as a Medical Device (SaMD) Like MedTech at the EPO Just Another Dodge for Illegitimate Software Patents | Techrights [17:29] XRevan86 activelow: I just executed the GCC-compiled binary and got 0.834s, tcc did the algorithm in 2.947s [17:30] techrights-bot/fn So called 'Awards'. Pay us money, we'll reciprocate with propaganda, lobbyying, shallow ads, and fake 'awards' that constitute #marketing for your firm. #corruptMedia https://www.managingip.com/article/b1s9qww56xcm89/mip-asia-pacific-awards-2021-all-the-winners-revealed [17:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | MIP Asia-Pacific Awards 2021: all the winners revealed | Managing Intellectual Property [17:31] activelow XRevan86: first) i am referring to tcc/pcc compilation-time performance, which is these finish compilation tasks at the scale of being 10x faster [17:31] XRevan86 activelow: Who cares about how long it takes to compile when the end-result is inferior? [17:32] techrights-bot/fn #Trademarks or #Trademark #Law imminently impacted by #uk leaving #eu https://www.worldtrademarkreview.com/brand-management/rule-breaking-influencers-named-ukipo-brexit-deadline-reminder-ice-cube-likeness-claim-dismissed-news-digest goodbye, #EUIPO h http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EUIPO [17:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.worldtrademarkreview.com | Rule-breaking influencers named: UKIPO Brexit deadline reminder; Ice Cube likeness claim dismissed news digest | World Trademark Review [17:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EUIPO - Techrights [17:32] activelow second) i do not know what algorithm you compiled and what the problem was, otherwise tcc/pcc output was shown to be almost on par with gcc [17:32] XRevan86 Languages with LLVM JIT execute the algorithm faster than tcc. [17:33] activelow don't doubt that [17:33] XRevan86 activelow: I can give you all the details if ye want. But I think that they don't really matter with a difference this big. [17:33] activelow sure it is relevant XRevan86, what the tradeoffs are [17:34] activelow in any case you won't convince me anymore either gcc or llvm/clang were "free" [17:36] activelow add to this i would check if an SIMD optimization was involved with yor tests XRevan86 [17:36] XRevan86 activelow: I don't see any optimisation options in tinycc [17:37] activelow if there was then your test had shown that SIMD optimisation was superior to none applied, which says little to nothing about the qualities of tinycc since it doesn't do SIMD optimisation to my knowledge [17:38] XRevan86 activelow: The test tests array and loop optimisations. [17:39] activelow tinycc doesn't heavily optimise, hence it is more suitable for JIT compilation which was demonstrated with linux 2.6 kernel, to compile that during system boot [17:39] activelow quickly [17:39] XRevan86 activelow: Pretty sure that's not the only optimisation that tinycc is lacking. [17:39] XRevan86 activelow: LLVM can JIT faster. [17:40] activelow i had seen other bug reports with tinycc too recently [17:40] XRevan86 JS outperforms this C. [17:43] XRevan86 Heck, bcc 5.2 in Wine outperforms it. [17:44] activelow which says little to nothing about the qualities of pcc/tcc [17:44] activelow besides there is other options than the ones mentioned, and i doubt i would get far with any of them and linux kernel [17:45] activelow didn't say either gcc or llvm/clang and their optimisations were lacking, i said linux kernel and free software ecosystem locked-in to them, vendor lock-in [17:46] XRevan86 When it's two compilers instead of one, it's already a big difference. [17:51] XRevan86 activelow: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/9a1b26a9 ze code [17:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paste.debian.net | Debian Pastezone [17:52] activelow thanks XRevan86, yet i feel i lack competene to discuss your implementation of the algorithm and optimisations applied [17:54] XRevan86 There's a special version of one bit for GCC, it was just observed to work faster on it. [17:54] activelow i do notice aggressive optimizations were applied with your scenario (Ofast and lto) [17:55] XRevan86 The best output there could possible be. [17:56] XRevan86 gcc -O0 and tcc give very similiar results. [17:56] activelow besides the optimisations do increase compilation time and compile time memory consumption excessively [17:56] XRevan86 "excessively" is definitely not the right word here. [17:57] activelow which i could report a minor story about too, since i utilise some low-power aarch64 SBC here as distcc build nodes, some of which have 1GiB of RAM "only" [17:57] activelow guess what happens when g++ spawns four compilation threads? OOM. ● Jun 20 [18:01] XRevan86 activelow: Consider -O0 [18:01] XRevan86 should be great %) [18:02] activelow i considered blacklisting cxx, with gentoo that is use.mask cxx and this problem is gone at least [18:02] activelow yet with this i had noticed again another lock-in, cxx itself since gcc cannot bootstrap itself without cxx (had to verify again) [18:04] XRevan86 GCC is written in C++ [18:05] activelow at least i succeeded already with a bootable system without any cxx involved anymore to proceed with an alternative compiler and removing gcc (or llvm/clang) [18:05] XRevan86 activelow: gcc -O0 executes faster than tcc for me. [18:05] XRevan86 activelow: That sure sounds productive. [18:06] *activelow sighs [18:06] activelow yes, most of the time is wasted to track dependencies, remove bloatware, which I hope can be mitigated by use.mask cxx some time in the future [18:08] XRevan86 I sure hope that Open Watcom can satisfy all your C needs. [18:12] immibis activelow: If the hardware is not assembled from a pile of sand in your garage it's not free [18:13] activelow immibis: "a pile of sand" isn't the "means of production" for free and open systems [18:13] immibis no chips are free. None. Literally none. [18:13] immibis not even free as in libre [18:13] immibis actually that's not true. But probably no CPUs? [18:13] immibis maybe nothing newer than a Z80 [18:14] immibis they all have undocumented stuff [18:15] activelow some project tried to reverse engineer C64 (moschip iirc), must have been fun too, and productive, there's a talk about it on youtube [18:19] immibis if you have to reverse-engineer it it's not free [18:25] activelow concerning free software and vendor lock-in there's more techical issues to discuss, such as involved build systems, system integration [18:25] activelow long story short anything which directly or indirectly does lock-in rust language will be dropped here [18:28] activelow anything wich hard locks-in llvm/clang was dropped here already, which means alot of the GPU related support is gone for example (radeon graphics) [18:32] immibis https://bootstrapping.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page [18:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bootstrapping.miraheze.org | bootstrapping [18:35] activelow XRevan86: it is remarkable that bcc (which i hadn't known before) can compete with heavily optimizing clang and gcc [18:35] XRevan86 activelow: Ye hadn't known about Turbo C++ before? [18:37] XRevan86 but it is indeed surprising that this old compiler managed to produce an okay result. [18:38] activelow exceptional even, since the tradeof too is compilation time and memory consumption [18:39] activelow otherwise I hadn't played with turbo c++ yet, Borland Delphi was common in schools where i had encountered this vendor [18:48] XRevan86 activelow: It's Embarcadero (Idera) now. [18:48] XRevan86 This is a compiler from 1997 [18:50] XRevan86 I just had it lying around, so I checked what it can do. [18:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 25.60 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 51.16 swarm size (avg): 302.22 ● Jun 20 [19:09] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has joined #techrights [19:09] AdmFubar https://www.zdnet.com/article/nasty-linux-systemd-root-level-security-bug-revealed-and-patched/#ftag=RSSbaffb68 [19:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Nasty Linux systemd root level security bug revealed and patched | ZDNet [19:15] activelow what's worse than the backdoor itself is the quality of it, to tap and spy systems by whoever was responsible for this [19:16] AdmFubar there isn't quality... it is rather hard to exploit [19:16] AdmFubar https://www.salon.com/2021/06/20/can-democracy-survive-amazon-a-conversation-with-writer-alec-macgillis_partner/ [19:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Can democracy survive Amazon?: A conversation with writer Alec MacGillis | Salon.com [19:18] AdmFubar https://www.salon.com/2021/06/20/one-of-them-has-to-go-the-gop-or-america-as-we-know-it_partner/ [19:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-One of them has to go: The GOP or America as we know it | Salon.com [19:49] AdmFubar https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/06/18/2322201&from=rss [19:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | Backscatter Radio at Gigabit Speeds - SoylentNews [19:51] AdmFubar https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/06/18/1423237&from=rss [19:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | How Russian Threats in the 2000s Turned Estonia into the Go-To Expert on Cyber Defense - SoylentNews [19:52] immibis on_retrieved_unix_uid_pid [19:52] immibis it used to be that you would call get_unix_uid_pid and it would just return what you wanted and not require a callback [19:57] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:57] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Jun 20 [20:20] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [20:21] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [20:49] AdmFubar https://www.darkreading.com/vulnerabilities---threats/attackers-find-new-way-to-exploit-google-docs-for-phishing-/d/d-id/1341342 [20:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.darkreading.com | Attackers Find New Way to Exploit Google Docs for ... [20:52] AdmFubar https://beta.darkreading.com/attacks-breaches/data-breaches-surge-in-food-beverage-other-industries [20:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-beta.darkreading.com | Dark Reading | Security | Protect The Business [20:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 25.53 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 37.96 swarm size (avg): 302.47 ● Jun 20 [21:01] *alextee has quit (connection closed) [21:18] *alextee (~alextee@p5ururacf4pq4.irc) has joined #techrights [21:22] AdmFubar https://threatpost.com/millions-connected-cameras-eavesdropping/166950/ [21:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Millions of Connected Cameras Open to Eavesdropping | Threatpost [21:23] AdmFubar https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57468750 [21:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Irish police to be given powers over passwords - BBC News [21:29] AdmFubar https://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/news/252502519/Repeat-ransomware-attacks-hit-80-of-victims-who-paid-ransoms [21:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-searchsecurity.techtarget.com | Repeat ransomware attacks hit 80% of victims who paid ransoms [21:30] AdmFubar :)) https://threatpost.com/ransomware-sitting-duck/167040/ [21:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Whats Making Your Company a Ransomware Sitting Duck | Threatpost [21:33] AdmFubar https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/bulletins/sb21-165 [21:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-us-cert.cisa.gov | Vulnerability Summary for the Week of June 7, 2021 | CISA [21:50] AdmFubar https://techcrunch.com/2021/06/18/investors-say-eindhoven-poised-to-become-netherlands-no-2-tech-hub/ [21:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Investors say Eindhoven poised to become Netherlands No. 2 tech hub TechCrunch [21:51] AdmFubar this won't last long after google gets into this.. [21:51] AdmFubar https://techcrunch.com/2021/06/17/spotify-acquires-podz-a-podcast-discovery-app/ [21:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Spotify acquires Podz, a podcast discovery platform TechCrunch [21:52] Ariadne XRevan86: yes, next time i will be using gitlab [21:52] AdmFubar https://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/news/252502512/Apple-issues-patches-for-two-more-WebKit-zero-days [21:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-searchsecurity.techtarget.com | Apple issues patches for two more WebKit zero-days [21:56] AdmFubar https://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/feature/How-to-get-started-with-security-chaos-engineering [21:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-searchsecurity.techtarget.com | How to get started with security chaos engineering ● Jun 20 [22:10] AdmFubar https://therecord.media/norway-says-chinese-group-apt31-is-behind-catastrophic-2018-government-hack/ [22:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-therecord.media | Norway says Chinese group APT31 is behind catastrophic 2018 government hack - The Record by Recorded Future [22:12] *alextee has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:21] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:21] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:24] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [22:26] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [22:28] *alextee (~alextee@p5ururacf4pq4.irc) has joined #techrights [22:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 22.65 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 59.93 swarm size (avg): 302.28 ● Jun 20 [23:03] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@dkdexshsaj3k8.irc) has joined #techrights [23:04] DaemonFC schestowitz, The entire train ride to Chicago today was dead offices and dead small businesses in the suburbs. [23:05] DaemonFC Apparently there's five Sears Towers worth of vacant office space in Chicago as of late March and they were expecting it to get much worse by the end of the year even if the lockdown completely ended. [23:05] DaemonFC They're still building though. [23:06] DaemonFC Soon there will be 23 million square feet of empty offices, and that's just inside the city. Meanwhile, the Democrats managed to get gas in the city up to $4 a gallon. [23:06] DaemonFC No wonder everyone is leaving. [23:10] schestowitz I see... [23:11] DaemonFC We went to the zoo and even that was pretty sad. [23:11] DaemonFC That big cat exhibit that's been closed forever is still closed. [23:12] DaemonFC So, what about the economic boom we're being told of? [23:13] DaemonFC I didn't see any signs that consumers in Chicago have tons of money, are anxious to spend it, and that there's a lot of options for where to spend it if you want to spend it. [23:13] techrights-bot/fn Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152493 [23:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [23:14] DaemonFC Some restaurants survived, but many are closed with a for lease sign on an empty building. [23:15] schestowitz they might not survive for long [23:15] schestowitz when the checks stop coming or savings run dry [23:15] DaemonFC Relatively speaking, Waukegan has held on better than Chicago or its inner suburbs. [23:16] DaemonFC I have no idea why. Possibly because it's more of a working class city to begin with. [23:16] DaemonFC It's the wealthy inner suburbs to the north of the city that appear to have really had their asses handed to them. [23:17] DaemonFC Some can barely give away storefronts in their "town centers" next to the metra line. [23:17] DaemonFC That used to be prime real estate. [23:18] DaemonFC Winnetka, I think it was, looked so bad, that about three things survived. Jewel-Osco, a Walgreens, and Starbucks. 70% or so vacant. [23:25] DaemonFC schestowitz, Uber and Lyft won't last much longer. [23:26] DaemonFC They're 2-3x as expensive as a cab is now. [23:27] DaemonFC I kept flipping between them to get that last 5 miles to the zoo and first Lyft told me there was a "wait and save" option where if I waited 20 minutes instead of 10 I'd save $4, so I was like yeah okay. [23:27] DaemonFC I waited 30 minutes, nothing came, and I had to cancel it (they reversed the charge). [23:27] DaemonFC Then Uber was going up and down. It got up as high as $45 and then went down to $28. [23:28] DaemonFC On the way back, I used the Transit app to find out that taking the 73 CTA bus between the Metra Clybourn stop and the zoo only costs us $2.50 apiece. [23:28] DaemonFC Well, at least I'll know that next time. [23:29] DaemonFC Turns out, the news in Chicago interviewed a woman who said she was furious about how expensive Uber has been lately and that she couldn't afford $25 a ride for what had been $12-13. [23:29] DaemonFC So we're going to be witnessing the end of that bubble shortly. [23:30] DaemonFC schestowitz, That's one Chicago tax I really do agree with, and I think RMS proposed it too. [23:31] DaemonFC Uber and Lyft had been dumping their service in areas with good public transit in order to degrade them. [23:31] DaemonFC So the city responded by doing a rideshare surcharge. So you fund the CTA when you get on an Uber even if you don't use the CTA. [23:33] DaemonFC I hate Uber. I mean, counting today my ride history on it has been three rides since I made my account in 2015. [23:33] DaemonFC I hope they fail and I hope Saudi Arabia loses big on it. [23:33] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [23:33] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [23:35] DaemonFC Now that they're more expensive than a taxi _with_ the $1.50 app surcharge from Curb, how are they even a thing? The fact that there were ZERO lyfts around Ogilvie and Union stations today made me laugh. I mean, I was annoyed. [23:35] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [23:35] DaemonFC But I think it's obvious they'll go belly up first. Maybe Uber will absorb some of the market and gain some time. [23:35] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [23:36] DaemonFC Stallman and I disagree on one thing. The drivers. [23:36] DaemonFC Some are decent, some are nasty. [23:36] DaemonFC One of the reasons the apps don't work very well is that drivers figure out ways to game the system so they don't have to work for less money than they want, which is fair enough. It's what happens in a Capitalist system. [23:36] schestowitz The idea is to drive taxi companies out [23:37] schestowitz to bankrupt them [23:37] DaemonFC You want the Uber that bad or you don't. [23:37] schestowitz and then you have no choice [23:37] schestowitz they command the price [23:37] schestowitz and prices soar [23:37] DaemonFC But the rideshare apps present you with a price and it's in real time and there's no negotiating back and forth with the driver. [23:37] schestowitz they operate to losses for years, billions in losses from shareholders [23:37] DaemonFC It just lets them waste your time and cancel on you and shit, and that's that. [23:37] schestowitz just to kill the competition\ [23:38] activelow DaemonFC: RMS proposed taxing Uber? [23:38] DaemonFC Yeah [23:38] activelow and then a smearing campaign escalated. [23:43] DaemonFC they operate to losses for years, billions in losses from shareholders [23:44] DaemonFC The real insanity is that Uber says they're going to put $250 million into a "stimulus" for drivers. [23:45] DaemonFC Some of the drivers spoke to the news under anonymity. [23:45] DaemonFC Concerns in Chicago include COVID still being out there and not enough pay for the odds of being carjacked. [23:45] DaemonFC They really ought to drive less expensive cars. [23:46] DaemonFC The one I rode in today was an Infiniti. [23:46] DaemonFC Carjackers love those. [23:46] DaemonFC The only thing he could have done to make it worse is drive on the south side, at night, with a big flashing sign that reads "Carjack me!". [23:47] DaemonFC Reparations all around. mjg59 disliked that. [23:47] DaemonFC mjg59 is going back to Sanctuary Hills. [23:51] DaemonFC Oh, schestowitz Chase Bank has been emptying out branch locations in the region I noticed. [23:51] DaemonFC The signage is still up but the branch is closed permanently. [23:51] DaemonFC I was one of the first people to use a bank with no branches. [23:52] DaemonFC As soon as Ally financial emerged from bankruptcy (previously GMAC, a finance arm of General Motors), and while it was still mostly owned by the US Treasury, I set up an account there. [23:52] DaemonFC I was pissed off by Wells Fargo and their new and outrageous fees just to have a deposit account. [23:53] DaemonFC Oh, you want an account? $9 a month. You want statements? $3.50. Oh, you overdrew your account by 50 cents? Here's $79 in fees. [23:55] schestowitz wow, the media became really bad [23:55] schestowitz I am looking at piles upon piles of puff pieces [23:55] schestowitz it's frustrating [23:55] schestowitz it's all for sale [23:55] schestowitz not even one exception [23:56] schestowitz it used to be possible to find some real reporting, sometimes...