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r_schestowitz> The Minsky girl wasn't even underage, according to a post on Hacker News.Sep 20 07:06
r_schestowitz> Sep 20 07:06
r_schestowitz> She was one year (17) over the local age of consent, which was 16 at the time.Sep 20 07:06
r_schestowitz> Sep 20 07:06
r_schestowitz> It was not raised to 18 until 2002.Sep 20 07:06
r_schestowitzRe: important detailSep 20 07:06
r_schestowitz(from emailSep 20 07:06
r_schestowitz)Sep 20 07:06
r_schestowitz> also, about oliva. i dont think i will be upset if he gets in. i dont think hes on the table, because he isnt even a citizen, let alone someone who lives in the boston area.Sep 20 07:07
r_schestowitz> Sep 20 07:07
r_schestowitz> nonetheless, i saw a weird post about him complaining that he was in some way unequalified (rather that he wasnt) and someone questioning his loyalty.Sep 20 07:07
r_schestowitz> Sep 20 07:07
r_schestowitz> im really curious about that-- i have made no comments along those lines at all-- on the contrary, im pro-oliva and figure hes very loyal to rms, as you do.Sep 20 07:07
r_schestowitz> Sep 20 07:07
r_schestowitz> so who (or what) could he be complaining about?Sep 20 07:07
r_schestowitz> Sep 20 07:07
r_schestowitz> so curious. i want to know where its coming from, not to mention i want to know what it is.Sep 20 07:07
r_schestowitz> there probably isnt anything i can do to help distribute that work across two people, but let me know if there is, id like to try lending a few cycles.Sep 20 07:08
r_schestowitz> Sep 20 07:08
r_schestowitz> this sort of offer might not work the first time. im doing some multitasking and there are a lot of things i want to help with right now.Sep 20 07:08
r_schestowitz> Sep 20 07:08
r_schestowitz> mostly out of my extreme disgust with several things at the moment. ibm of course...Sep 20 07:08
r_schestowitzI could definitely use help with the  openwashing reportSep 20 07:08
r_schestowitzAll you need is RSS feeds and understanding of the subtleties they rely onSep 20 07:08
r_schestowitzMinceR: away in Liverpoool today until 8pmSep 20 07:16
r_schestowitz> And one more casting aspersions:Sep 20 07:16
r_schestowitz> Sep 20 07:16
r_schestowitz> 20 07:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Stallman's final interview as FSF president: Last week we quizzed him over Microsoft visit. Now he quits top roles amid rape remarks outcry • The RegisterSep 20 07:16
r_schestowitz> Sep 20 07:16
r_schestowitz> It's like there going out of their way not to investigate what's going on.Sep 20 07:16
superkuh"But I simply refuse to use mobile devices, especially portable phones, because your movements are tracked. And because of the backdoor in the modem processor, the radio processor bit communicates with the phone radio network, they can convert almost every mobile phone into a listening device. So I call them Stalin's dream."Sep 20 07:24
superkuhStallman's always right.Sep 20 07:25
r_schestowitzcheersSep 20 07:26
r_schestowitzyes, I remember this one, useful to have offhandSep 20 07:27
r_schestowitzCan you get the data of that? Stalin's dream is a term he used a lot around Snowden leaks or just before theseSep 20 07:27
r_schestowitzand he cited Craig Murray to explain the back door thing (for phones)Sep 20 07:28
r_schestowitz"Sep 20 07:29
r_schestowitz RMS is not going to issue a statement in regards to the vilificationSep 20 07:29
r_schestowitzcampaign against him:Sep 20 07:29
r_schestowitz 20 07:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Is Stallman nuts?Sep 20 07:29
r_schestowitzI can see many reasons both for and against it but in the end it is hisSep 20 07:29
r_schestowitzchoice and his alone.Sep 20 07:29
r_schestowitzBruce Perens has the licensing background, software freedom orientation,Sep 20 07:29
r_schestowitztechnical chops, and, lately, high level political contacts.  He'd makeSep 20 07:29
r_schestowitza good head for the FSF if he could be brought around to the idea.Sep 20 07:29
r_schestowitzThere are potential candidates in Europe too but I don't think it wouldSep 20 07:29
r_schestowitzbe reasonable to ask any of them to relocate to the US, which has beenSep 20 07:29
r_schestowitzin 40 years of decline with no sign of turnaround any time soon.Sep 20 07:29
r_schestowitz"Sep 20 07:29
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danielinux 20 08:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Huawei start shipping #linux on laptops and guess what - #Microsoft...Sep 20 08:07
XRevan86hah, a classicSep 20 08:11
danielinuxlooks like MS <3 linux only when it's about conquering hipster developers' heart. Tendency is reversed when Windows' revenue is at stake... and we are back to the "cancer" storySep 20 08:18
r_schestowitz 20 08:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft Caught Committing Yet More Bribery Crimes, But Nobody Gets Arrested | TechrightsSep 20 08:20
r_schestowitzDid they try bribes alreadySep 20 08:20
r_schestowitz?Sep 20 08:20
danielinuxha, I am sure they did :)Sep 20 08:20
r_schestowitzcheersSep 20 08:23
r_schestowitzleaving nowSep 20 08:23
r_schestowitzback from liverpool 8pm, won't post while awaySep 20 08:23
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XRevan86The shaman who decided to walk to Moscow to exorcise Putin was put into a psychiatric ward.Sep 20 10:48
XRevan86He was detained by masked men with rifles.Sep 20 10:49
XRevan86No link because I'm sure Meduza will get on it anyway.Sep 20 10:50
XRevan86 or has alreadySep 20 10:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | NO TITLESep 20 10:50
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DaemonFC[m]r_schestowitz: Probation "offered" free counseling.Sep 20 17:52
DaemonFC[m]I take it since they suggested it, it isn't mandatory.Sep 20 17:52
DaemonFC[m]If they command me to go to it, I will, but not until then.Sep 20 17:52
DaemonFC[m]God knows I could use some therapy after what the state put me through this year, but that's not the place to go get it. Sep 20 17:52
DaemonFC[m]I'd be walking right into a trap where they just make their little notes and hand them to the PO and the judge and then they say they don't believe my doctor is correct that I'm doing okay and that I'm "blaming the victims" or whatever.Sep 20 17:53
DaemonFC[m]They'll either let me talk and then use it against me in court later, or they'll shout over me and ridicule me. Either way, if it's "voluntary", why step in it?Sep 20 17:54
DaemonFC[m]The only thing that's likely to happen in there is that the odds of being let go after December fall.Sep 20 17:55
DaemonFC[m]Right now, the only thing she can take to court attesting to my mental health is something my doctor wrote saying that I'm doing well.Sep 20 17:55
DaemonFC[m]It's probably better to leave it there.Sep 20 17:56
XRevan86 20 17:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dogbert Makes A Product That Begs For Updates - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2015-03-24 | Dilbert by Scott AdamsSep 20 17:59
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scientesXRevan86, heheheheheSep 20 20:02
scientesby that time i had already switched to LinuxSep 20 20:03
scientesforgot to mention, nagging you that you are breaking the lawSep 20 20:03
scientescool picture 20 20:07
scientesXRevan86, he didn't make it very farSep 20 20:08
XRevan86Somebody should a Russian remake of Forrest GumpSep 20 20:09
scientes> Along the way, supporters joined Gabyshev and started walking with him. He was expected to arrive in Moscow sometime in 2021.Sep 20 20:10
scientesit doesn't take THAT longSep 20 20:10
*XRevan86 opens OSMSep 20 20:10
scientesoh woah, they have IDN TLDs now? https://03.мвд.рф/news/item/18347336/Sep 20 20:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-03.мвд.рф | Информация МВД по Республике БурятияSep 20 20:11
XRevan86What's IDN?Sep 20 20:11 is pretty cold nowSep 20 20:11
scientesInternationalized Domain NameSep 20 20:11
XRevan86it's still not commonly used much %)Sep 20 20:11
scientesthey also just sell TLDs to anyone that paysSep 20 20:11
scientes 20 20:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Keyword | GoogleSep 20 20:12
scienteskinda pisses me offSep 20 20:12
XRevan86OSM refuses to chartSep 20 20:12
XRevan86oh well, it's ~5600 kmSep 20 20:13
scientesoh ok, that's pretty farSep 20 20:13
scientesRussia is just really bigSep 20 20:13
XRevan86scientes: really? :)Sep 20 20:13
XRevan86so it would take about 47 days of non-stop 5 km/h walkingSep 20 20:14
scientes 20 20:14
XRevan86he had a cart, so he probably walked slowerSep 20 20:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Benoît Lecomte - WikipediaSep 20 20:14
scientes^that guy swam fartherSep 20 20:15
scientesoh he didn't actually swim that far howeverSep 20 20:17
scientesa lot of it was just the current of the oceanSep 20 20:17
scientescause when i swim I only go 2 km/hSep 20 20:17
scientesand that is a fast paseSep 20 20:17
scientesI talk about the US being really big (and it is).....Sep 20 20:19
scientesPeruanos like to brag about how ecologically diverse their country is, but if you could Hawaii, the US has all that and moreSep 20 20:20
scientes*countSep 20 20:20
scientesit has jungle in Florida too, so I guess Hawaii doesn't have to countSep 20 20:21
XRevan86 20 20:22
aindilisI am having a massive brainfart, inconveniently, but what is the legal term for the fact that in order to commit a crime you must know it is a crime?Sep 20 20:22
scientesnot sure, my whole life I have been told that isn't an excuseSep 20 20:22
aindilisno there is an expressionSep 20 20:22
aindilisit's like 'assent is the essence of the law'Sep 20 20:23
aindilisor something like, fuck meSep 20 20:23
MinceRr_schestowitz: okSep 20 20:23
scientesXRevan86, are you kidding me?Sep 20 20:23
scientesthat's fucking insaneSep 20 20:23
XRevan86scientes: It's a classicSep 20 20:23
XRevan86JS's typing is legendarySep 20 20:24
XRevan86It's kind of lazy to joke about it even %)Sep 20 20:24
scienteshow did they even end up in that situation?Sep 20 20:26
scientesit is because null is represented as NaN?>Sep 20 20:26
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r_schestowitzkaniini: pleroma offline?Sep 20 20:53
r_schestowitz(viera too?)Sep 20 20:53
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scientesholy moley, Matthew Garret think's he's a nice guy that can save women from the creepy RMSSep 20 22:40
scientes"Yeah I'll save you, just get into my unmarked van."Sep 20 22:41
scienteswithout windowsSep 20 22:42
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MinceRlolSep 20 22:46
MinceRgarrett is an SJWSep 20 22:46
scientesthe real social justice warriors are gangsSep 20 22:48
scientesso he's just a wannabeSep 20 22:48
MinceR:>Sep 20 22:48
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DaemonFC[m]Matthew Garret is a a fucking shithead.Sep 20 23:23
DaemonFC[m]He pretty much passively ignores everything that big companies do to sabotage Free Software, and apologizes and makes excuses for them.Sep 20 23:23
DaemonFC[m]At the same time, he does this SJW nonsense.Sep 20 23:23
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft is getting all of this good karma for "open sourcing" software that doesn't actually have a use case without their proprietary software.Sep 20 23:24
DaemonFC[m]At the same time, they STILL try to make it difficult to run other operating systems on your PC.Sep 20 23:24
DaemonFC[m]But no news coverage about that.Sep 20 23:24
DaemonFC[m]And if you try to make an issue out of it, both Microsoft and the "Free Software people" gang up on you.Sep 20 23:24
DaemonFC[m]I learned that one in 2016 over Lenovo.Sep 20 23:25
DaemonFC[m]The Free Software Foundation (the US one anyway) has been infiltrated and rotting from the inside out for years now.Sep 20 23:26
DaemonFC[m]RMS is a nasty pervert and a very mean person and a control freak, but he also presided over them defunding actual work on Free Software, and has appointed people like Garret and Miguel de Icaza to leadership at FSF and given them awards. And Miguel de Icaza *IS* a Microsoft employee now after years of subverting Free Software and pushing Microsoft patented stuff into Linux and baiting people to use it even though itSep 20 23:28
DaemonFC[m]begged for them to become defendants in a patent aggression lawsuit filed by Microsoft.Sep 20 23:28
MinceRand he's pushing systemdSep 20 23:28
DaemonFC[m]And Garrett? What is he doing? Wikipedia says he's at Google now.Sep 20 23:28
DaemonFC[m]Great. So he's part of the NSA spying program and working for a giant advertising company.Sep 20 23:29
MinceRi mean rms isSep 20 23:29
DaemonFC[m]I'm sure this doesn't affect his position on software freedom in any way.Sep 20 23:29
MinceRi don't know what garrett is doing about itSep 20 23:29
DaemonFC[m]None of them are any damned good.Sep 20 23:29
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft is in the driver's seat of the Free Software community now. Sep 20 23:30
DaemonFC[m]And it happened under Stallman's watch.Sep 20 23:30
MinceRthat's not the free software communitySep 20 23:30
MinceRthat's a bunch of microsoft slaves who believe they're in the free software communitySep 20 23:30
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, it's more like one of those wasps that takes over an ant's body and makes it walk to the site where it wants the nest.Sep 20 23:30
DaemonFC[m]There's no Free Software movement anymore.Sep 20 23:30
MinceRthere's a bit left here and thereSep 20 23:31
DaemonFC[m]I was surprised to see that it took everyone this long to pick up on RMS being a pervert and to suggest that rape is fine, pedophilia included or not.Sep 20 23:31
DaemonFC[m]NOBODY would just write about how it was fine to have sex with 10 year olds incessantly unless they were either doing it themselves or wanted to.Sep 20 23:32
DaemonFC[m]It's technically not a crime to advocate sex with kids, but you know, community should shun you for it. Sep 20 23:33
DaemonFC[m]r_schestowitz wrote it's not a crime to talk about it, but I mean, just, yuck.Sep 20 23:33
MinceRis there any evidence of that?Sep 20 23:33
MinceRrms could just be strangeSep 20 23:33
DaemonFC[m]And this went WAY beyond borderline stuff like sex with a 15 or 16 year old, which in many states is legal or at least not the most serious offense.Sep 20 23:34
MinceRplus there's a lot of (intentional?) misunderstanding by SJWs going onSep 20 23:34
DaemonFC[m]He was talking like how an 11 year old might have consented to Jeffery Epstein..Sep 20 23:34
DaemonFC[m]I don't really happen to agree with the law in Wisconsin or Illinois, because sex acts that I did in Indiana would be illegal in both.Sep 20 23:35
DaemonFC[m]And ones that I've done here in Illinois would be illegal had they occurred in Wisconsin.Sep 20 23:35
DaemonFC[m]There's no federal law. It's just up to the states, which does make the system incoherent.Sep 20 23:35
DaemonFC[m]So like, people who have done things I did legally in Indiana are on the Illinois sex offender registry for 10 years after committing a Class A Misdemeanor.Sep 20 23:36
DaemonFC[m]Same country. But it doesn't matter if they do move to Indiana, they have to deal with that coming up on a background check even if it would have been fine in Indiana.Sep 20 23:37
DaemonFC[m]And it still says "sexual abuse of minor", even though that's not what it is in Indiana.Sep 20 23:37
DaemonFC[m]And if you can believe it, the federal government makes things _worse_.Sep 20 23:37
DaemonFC[m]If, as an Illinois resident, I cross into Indiana to have sex with a 16 year old, I've broken a federal law, even though if I lived in Indiana, it would have been fine.Sep 20 23:38
DaemonFC[m]Well, maybe.Sep 20 23:38
DaemonFC[m]They have to prove you crossed a state line for the purpose of doing that.Sep 20 23:38
DaemonFC[m]If you crossed the state line to go eat dinner in Hammond and fucked a 16 year old while you were there, but didn't have plans to do so while you were in Illinois, then you're fine.Sep 20 23:39
DaemonFC[m]Confused yet?Sep 20 23:39
MinceRhow do you prove that?Sep 20 23:40
DaemonFC[m]Then there's state and federal laws saying you can fuck em, which entails seeing them naked in person, but if you have a naked picture of them, you will go to prison.Sep 20 23:40
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Well, they could pull up your grindr chat or something.Sep 20 23:40
DaemonFC[m]And say, "Ah hah! You were planning to have sex with him when he was in Indiana and you were in Illinois!".Sep 20 23:40
DaemonFC[m]They'd ping the cell tower locations and see where you both were at the time Grindr or text messaging logged the messages.Sep 20 23:41
MinceRyou had guilty thoughts in illinoisSep 20 23:41
DaemonFC[m]Pretty much.Sep 20 23:41
DaemonFC[m]You had guilty thoughts in Illinois of doing something that the state of Indiana says is perfectly legal, in Indiana, therefore you are a criminal under federal law.Sep 20 23:41
DaemonFC[m]Government...Sep 20 23:42
DaemonFC[m]Taking a minor across state lines is federal kidnapping.Sep 20 23:42
DaemonFC[m]So don't say "Hey, you're 16, but if we go to Indiana and rent a hotel room....".Sep 20 23:42
DaemonFC[m]You just spared yourself a misdemeanor in Illinois, and committed a federal felony.Sep 20 23:43
DaemonFC[m]There's a million ways to get things done, MinceR And that includes the state when it wants to make a problem for you.Sep 20 23:43
DaemonFC[m]If the right hook don't get ya, the left one will. That sort of thing.Sep 20 23:44
DaemonFC[m]The only thing you can do is try not to break the law, and figure out how to cover your tracks when you aren't breaking the law because it's impossible not to break any laws.Sep 20 23:45
DaemonFC[m]:)Sep 20 23:45
MinceRor get an army and stop caring about what these criminal operations wantSep 20 23:45
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: To make things even worse, the state could turn me into a sexual assault victim against my will.Sep 20 23:45
DaemonFC[m]Even though I'm 35. Sep 20 23:45
DaemonFC[m]You know how?Sep 20 23:46
DaemonFC[m]Find someone I had sex with, willingly, and charge them with "criminal sexual assault / victim can't consent" and say I have bipolar disorder. Sep 20 23:46
DaemonFC[m]They could file that charge against my spouse.Sep 20 23:46
MinceR:>Sep 20 23:47
DaemonFC[m]I managed to thread the needle pretty well.Sep 20 23:47
DaemonFC[m]I used bipolar to hint that we'd bring up diminished capacity if it went to trial and they convicted me.Sep 20 23:47
DaemonFC[m]Then when they included mental health in the probation deal for my disorderly conduct plea bargain, I went to my doctor and asked him to say o probation that I'm doing okay now and I don't need further treatment.Sep 20 23:48
DaemonFC[m]I know what a manic person acts like. I'd just start doing bizarre things at the trial.Sep 20 23:48
DaemonFC[m]I made sure that the last time my doctor saw me before we went to court that I sounded like I was having a crisis and was in a mixed state. Sep 20 23:49
DaemonFC[m]He said he didn't know if he could even keep seeing me and recommended that I check myself in somewhere.Sep 20 23:50
DaemonFC[m]That way my lawyer could bring him in as an expert witness and he'd have to say that I was completely unhinged.Sep 20 23:50
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: If the mind isn't guilty, the act isn't guilty. Sep 20 23:50
DaemonFC[m]The law says "knowingly and with intent". Sep 20 23:50
DaemonFC[m]Then after I tied their case in knots, I finished it off by telling my ex that I couldn't keep making the car payments if I went to jail.Sep 20 23:51
DaemonFC[m]Then after I didn't go to jail, I quit making them anyway.Sep 20 23:51
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Once people think you're nuts, they really stop taking you seriously, because they think you can't make plans. Sep 20 23:52
DaemonFC[m]I really do have bipolar disorder.Sep 20 23:53
DaemonFC[m]So it's not much of a part to play.Sep 20 23:53
DaemonFC[m]I've been on meds for a while now, but I know exactly what I'm like without the meds.Sep 20 23:53
DaemonFC[m]The state ended up settling for not a hell of a lot and moving on.Sep 20 23:56

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