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cybrNautnot sure what SmartMove is, but I wrote my own software to find a houseSep 20 00:02
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DaemonFC[m]It's a "tenant screening" thing.Sep 20 00:14
DaemonFC[m]Turns away all the people with really bad credit, evictions, and serious criminal records.Sep 20 00:14
cybrNautso it's something that is run by property owners/managers?  If RMS i the tenant he wouldn't be running it.  I don't think he cares if someone else runs non-free s/wSep 20 00:16
schestowitzit's not so much softwareSep 20 00:17
schestowitzas much as it is a large databaseSep 20 00:17
DaemonFC[m]They make the tenant log in, pay, and run a site with non-Free Javascript.Sep 20 00:17
schestowitzthe algorithm just does the scoring based on so-called 'big data'Sep 20 00:18
schestowitzso it's more a privacy issue than a software freedom issueSep 20 00:18
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: RMS found a place after advertising in his siteSep 20 00:18
cybrNautoh, that's bizarre.. who's to say a tenant even has a pc and internet access.Sep 20 00:18
schestowitzmaybe this is part of the screeningSep 20 00:19
schestowitzif you don't have those, they won't want to bother with youSep 20 00:19
schestowitzsame for unemployed peopleSep 20 00:19
schestowitznowadays some people treat those who pay with cash and don't carry around "mobile" like anarchistic lepersSep 20 00:20
cybrNauti might refuse to touch SmartMove if I were a tenantSep 20 00:20
DaemonFC[m]You also have to have an email address or it won't work.Sep 20 00:20
schestowitzthe media contributes to this imageSep 20 00:20
schestowitzassociating them with conspiracy theorists and stuffSep 20 00:20
DaemonFC[m]<cybrNaut "i might refuse to touch SmartMov"> There are some landlords that don't use it, mostly in the ghetto.Sep 20 00:20
schestowitzlike "anti-5G" people, who now became a caricature -- people who think radio waves can cause covidSep 20 00:21
schestowitzyou might not want to have a landlord that requires itSep 20 00:22
DaemonFC[m]The property manager where I lived with John, briefly, last year before the incident used SmartMove and he was like 80.Sep 20 00:22
cybrNautin the US there are equality rules with housing.  They can require you to prove to be able to pay rent, but proving that you have specific assets sounds like actionable discrimination.  Sep 20 00:22
schestowitzand wherenever rms lives now in boston mass. (I am guessing he's still there), I doubt it came with this spying "screening" stuff... and listening devicesSep 20 00:22
DaemonFC[m]Credit checks have been a common condition of leasing for as long as I've been an adult.Sep 20 00:23
schestowitzapparently some tenants are made to accept being wiretapped in their own home through AmazonSep 20 00:23
DaemonFC[m]But now SmartMove goes beyond that and estimates income, sees if you have evictions, and looks up criminal records.Sep 20 00:23
cybrNautscreening is ok, but requiring a tentant to have a PC & Internet is diceySep 20 00:23
DaemonFC[m]Why do you think I'm living in a motel?Sep 20 00:24
cybrNautsomeone who is disabled in certain ways may not have a PCSep 20 00:24
DaemonFC[m]I'm not even sure I could pass a rental screening right now. They don't necessarily look past the bankruptcy or the misdemeanor in this neck of the woods.Sep 20 00:24
DaemonFC[m]Most of the nicer apartment complexes say they don't care about misdemeanors as long as it wasn't "weapons related in the last 2 years".Sep 20 00:25
schestowitzYou could argue that people who over-adopt bad technology should be penalised in scoringSep 20 00:25
DaemonFC[m]Well, Disorderly Conduct and no conviction isn't a conviction for a weapons violation.Sep 20 00:25
schestowitzthey overspend on things that harm themselves and other tenants and neighboursSep 20 00:25
DaemonFC[m]But who knows?Sep 20 00:25
cybrNauti have a property to rent out, but it bothers me that property managers want to force me to allow them to dig up all kinds of shit on tenants.  It's bizarre that they usually have a specific ban on tenants who have had a drug conviction.  I don't give a shit if my tenant has a drug offenseSep 20 00:26
DaemonFC[m]Might just wait until next year when it's been past 2 years and then apply. Sep 20 00:26
DaemonFC[m]They consider it a "risk". Doesn't matter if they never hurt anyone and never would. Sep 20 00:26
schestowitzFacebook is a data broker on thoseSep 20 00:26
DaemonFC[m]You might want to avoid a drug dealer.Sep 20 00:26
schestowitzdigging up and analysing people's thoughts, possessions etc.Sep 20 00:27
DaemonFC[m]But simple possession, I probably wouldn't. Especially if it happened a long time ago and nothing since.Sep 20 00:27
schestowitzdrugs aren't universal either, depends which drugsSep 20 00:27
schestowitzif someone smokes pot, it'll make the home stinkSep 20 00:27
schestowitzbut likely won't lead to unruly behaviourSep 20 00:27
schestowitzyou don't want heroin addictsSep 20 00:28
schestowitznor will residents nearbySep 20 00:28
cybrNauti'd like to find a management company that says "we don't screen ppl -- we just evict if they give us problems"  I'd hire them.Sep 20 00:28
schestowitzsome people are addicted to alcoholSep 20 00:28
schestowitzdoes that count?Sep 20 00:28
schestowitzthey might vomit on carpetsSep 20 00:28
DaemonFC[m]My landlord in Huntington, IN moved an alcoholic in.Sep 20 00:29
cybrNauttobacco makes a home stink worse than mjSep 20 00:29
schestowitzit doesSep 20 00:29
schestowitzso againSep 20 00:29
DaemonFC[m]She stiffed him on the rent and by the time he had her out, she had lived there for 9 months without paying him.Sep 20 00:29
cybrNauti'm more inclined to say "no tobacco indoors, mj is fine (due to medicinal needs)"Sep 20 00:29
schestowitzmy point is, asking about legal and illegal drugs might miss the point. The legal ones can be just as bad.Sep 20 00:29
schestowitzSome people are addicted to medical drugs.Sep 20 00:29
schestowitzones you buy over the shelfSep 20 00:29
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, and you won't know if they're an alcoholic or a smoker because you can't get arrested for smoking a cigarette.Sep 20 00:29
DaemonFC[m]Unless they have a DUI, you'll never know if they're a drunkard.Sep 20 00:30
DaemonFC[m]That too.Sep 20 00:30
cybrNautIndian cooking also makes a home stinkSep 20 00:31
cybrNautonce a curry kitchen, always a curry kitchen AFAIKSep 20 00:31
cybrNautnot sure how to control thatSep 20 00:31
schestowitzChinese cooking alsoSep 20 00:32
DaemonFC[m]"Thanks for the hate crime there, mate!"Sep 20 00:32
schestowitzmy ex girlfriend's apartment absolutely stankSep 20 00:32
ChaekyungThey don't have vents above their stoves in india/china/us appartments where they live?Sep 20 00:32
schestowitzthey doSep 20 00:33
schestowitzextractors we call themSep 20 00:33
DaemonFC[m]They're lucky if they have apartments.Sep 20 00:33
DaemonFC[m]They build a wall so they don't have to look at the other billion people camped out in tents. Sep 20 00:33
schestowitzit's the spices mostlySep 20 00:33
Chaekyungright, extractor is the right English wordSep 20 00:33
schestowitzand maybe we're not used to those spices, so the odour seems worse to us than they are to themSep 20 00:33
DaemonFC[m]My point is you can rent only to tenants that pass SmartMove and still end up with freaks who destroy the place and miss rent and move out in the middle of the night.Sep 20 00:34
DaemonFC[m]So what the hell good is it?Sep 20 00:34
schestowitzno guarantee that those who pass background checks are any good, eitherSep 20 00:35
schestowitzit's based on presumption of accuracySep 20 00:35
schestowitzbased on "hey hi" and "big DAYTAH"Sep 20 00:35
schestowitzsome spoiled rich brat can do a lot of damage to a homeSep 20 00:35
schestowitzparties, wine spills, etc.Sep 20 00:35
DaemonFC[m]At least three tenants moved out on Joy with rent due because she's a fucking bitch and they all passed SmartMove.Sep 20 00:35
DaemonFC[m]4 if you include us.Sep 20 00:35
schestowitzthe person who appreciates having a place will treat it like his/her ownSep 20 00:36
schestowitzremember: people who have little value littleSep 20 00:36
schestowitzso an apartment they have they might look after very wellSep 20 00:36
schestowitzbut they might not have a PC or pass credit scores if they're based on the wrong parametersSep 20 00:37
schestowitzI once heard that people who never borrowed are ranked lowSep 20 00:37
schestowitzand I thought, wait, what?!Sep 20 00:37
schestowitzIf you never need to go to lenders, then you're treated as "unknown"?Sep 20 00:37
schestowitzas in, better to borrow some money to seem more credible?Sep 20 00:37
schestowitzApparently in the UK that's how it worksSep 20 00:37
DaemonFC[m]Pretty much. No score can be worse than a bad one.Sep 20 00:37
schestowitzThey score lack of data badlySep 20 00:38
schestowitzto the point one bank once refused to open an account for me (they did years later)Sep 20 00:38
schestowitzthey contact some spy firmsSep 20 00:38
schestowitzand if there's no file on you, then you're seen as dodgySep 20 00:38
schestowitzno FB account, no purchasing history etc.Sep 20 00:39
Chaekyungschestowitz: out of curiousity, how "bad" (depending on how you look at it) is your phone/desktop ratio these days? Mine's about 3:1 on slow days and 5+:1 on busy ones nowSep 20 00:39
schestowitzTBH, I'm really terrible for banksSep 20 00:39
schestowitzthey want people who borrowSep 20 00:39
schestowitzthey keep spamming me a dozen times a year with "credit" offersSep 20 00:39
schestowitzI keep balance low, I use face-to-face services, come to pick up cash, hardly ever gives them any revenueSep 20 00:40
schestowitzChaekyung: I don't use phoneSep 20 00:40
schestowitzatm there are 5 laptops around meSep 20 00:41
ChaekyungI mean your website. if you parse logsSep 20 00:41
schestowitzbecause the wife went to sleep, I take her pair of laptopsSep 20 00:41
cybrNautschestowitz> Apparently in the UK that's how it works <= US also.  No credit is bad creditSep 20 00:41
schestowitzChaekyung: I never checkedSep 20 00:41
schestowitzmost 'phones' have high resSep 20 00:41
schestowitzand zoom functionSep 20 00:41
schestowitzso if it's 800px across, they should be able to manageSep 20 00:42
schestowitzcybrNaut: wow, that's amazingly appallingSep 20 00:42
schestowitza friend (wife's cousin in yorkshire) said it's good to borrow just to make a credit fileSep 20 00:42
schestowitzwhich is... well, only good for the banksSep 20 00:42
schestowitzgetting people to pay back with interest... for something they don't need... or be penalised. Like a form of "revenge"Sep 20 00:43
schestowitzno borrowing? we'll make your life harderSep 20 00:43
schestowitzwe'll get you 'blacklisted' for not paying us monthly taxesSep 20 00:43
MinceRforced purchases... familiar from somewhere :>Sep 20 00:43
cybrNautindeed to get a good credit score you have to do all kinds of stupid shit.  It even helps the credit score to occasionally default and make a late payment, b/c creditors see ppl paying late fees as more profitableSep 20 00:44
schestowitzhahahaSep 20 00:44
schestowitzridiculousSep 20 00:45
cybrNauttoo much credit is also bad credit, because you're seen as a flight riskSep 20 00:45
schestowitzit's like trump epa officialsSep 20 00:45
schestowitzhave some pollutionsSep 20 00:45
schestowitzpollution sourcesSep 20 00:45
schestowitzto make the lungs more robustSep 20 00:45
cybrNautso to play the game and dance for the banking giants you have to have just the right amount of credit compared to what you useSep 20 00:45
schestowitzclean air is bad for youSep 20 00:45
schestowitzmakes you weakSep 20 00:45
cybrNautlolSep 20 00:46
cybrNautTrump also says the wild fires are not a climate problem, they're a "forest management problem"Sep 20 00:47
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DaemonFC[m]I racked up six figures in debt and filed bankruptcy.Sep 20 00:55
DaemonFC[m]Discover gave me a new credit card.Sep 20 00:55
DaemonFC[m]> Trump also says the wild fires are not a climate problem, they're a "forest management problem"Sep 20 01:00
DaemonFC[m]Complete with exploding trees.Sep 20 01:00
DaemonFC[m]Someone should really manage those.Sep 20 01:01
schestowitzcongrats, I guess?Sep 20 01:01
schestowitzhappy birthday?Sep 20 01:01
schestowitzthose cards are not gifts or gift cardsSep 20 01:01
schestowitzthey represent subjugationSep 20 01:01
cybrNautbanks make fortunes by keeping ppl in debt.  They want to keep ppl in debt as long and as deep as possible just short of bankruptcy.  If you filed bankruptcy, they probably still see you as someone they can potentially exploitSep 20 01:03
cybrNautthe debtors carry everyone's weight, which is why credit cards and bank accounts are gratisSep 20 01:04
cybrNautit's a way for the well-off ppl to freeload on those strugglingSep 20 01:05
ChaekyungI had a credit card, just one, for something like 5 years before I paid thte credit card bill a week late due to travel. Sep 20 01:06
ChaekyungI had never gotten any spam mail with credit card offers, ever.Sep 20 01:06
ChaekyungI got 4 the following month.Sep 20 01:06
ChaekyungThat tells you something, doesn't itSep 20 01:06
oiaohmDepends on your countries laws 20 01:08
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oiaohmLike since 2018 its been illegal in Australia to send out offers.Sep 20 01:09
oiaohmIts also illegal to setup a credit card that min payment will not pay off in time.Sep 20 01:22
DaemonFC[m]> banks make fortunes by keeping ppl in debt.  They want to keep ppl in debt as long and as deep as possible just short of bankruptcy.  If you filed bankruptcy, they probably still see you as someone they can potentially exploitSep 20 01:22
DaemonFC[m]You file and you can't do it again for 8 years.Sep 20 01:22
DaemonFC[m]In some ways you're less risky.Sep 20 01:23
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: depends on country.Sep 20 01:23
oiaohmAustralia bankrupy on adverage lasts 3 years  can be more or less.    Once that time is up you can insantly file again.   Also you can only get controlled credit while in bankruptcy.   That is personal loan class no credit cards. Sep 20 01:25
oiaohmYes lending a person who is bankrupt in Australia more money than they can pay and feed self and house self is how bank will lose money.   As the supervisor of the bankruptcy can declare the loan contract void. Sep 20 01:27
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Chaekyungyou seem to know a lot about the Australia, are you from there?Sep 20 01:28
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oiaohmChaekyung: I live in AustraliaSep 20 01:30
ChaekyungI see. How's the government going 200 miles beyond nazi germany over night due to a virus hoax working out for you? 20 01:32
ChaekyungWhat I see from Australia these days is pure insanity worse than both Soviet and Nazi GermanySep 20 01:32
oiaohmChaekyung: its not that bad where i am.  Sep 20 01:37
oiaohmAustralia fairly much down to 2 states with trouble.Sep 20 01:37
oiaohmYes it trouble for those in New South Wales and Victoria that want to get out.Sep 20 01:38
ChaekyungI think Victoria is the bat-shit insane one I've seen videos fromSep 20 01:39
oiaohmThey are bringing the numbers under control.Sep 20 01:39
Chaekyungyou don't need to "brnig numbers under control".Sep 20 01:40
oiaohmVictoria is going to avoid a medical system overload.Sep 20 01:40
ChaekyungI call bsSep 20 01:40
oiaohmYes you doSep 20 01:40
oiaohmIf you don't bring covid-19 under control you end up with more people needing critical care than you have beds for.Sep 20 01:40
Chaekyungperhaps being a frog being slow-boiled alive has made you a bit blindSep 20 01:40
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oiaohmVictoria second wave got very close to hit that limit in a few places.Sep 20 01:41
DaemonFC[m]oiaohm You can only get a secured card when you come put of bank.bankruptcySep 20 01:41
DaemonFC[m]It really only makes sense to put enpugh to charge purchases you're likely to make and then pay your bill on time.Sep 20 01:41
Chaekyungoiaohm: I'll just paste you the very same link again and let you carefully consider that we did absolutely NOTHING, we did not have lockdowns, we don't wear facemasks, we didn't care at all, and we've had about one death per week the last few months in a country with 10 millionSep 20 01:42
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DaemonFC[m]They return your deposit when they feel you can be trusted again. That may take as little as 8 months depending on the creditor.Sep 20 01:42
DaemonFC[m]But you can be back up over 700 in a year or two, even with a bank.Sep 20 01:43
DaemonFC[m]*bankruptcySep 20 01:43
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Chaekyungoiaohm: You're entitled to your scared shittless by your media and government brainwashed opinion, of course, I'm just saying that living your life as usual, going out in the sun, doing whatever you usually do, works better than the insanity in AustraliaSep 20 01:43
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]:   Its fun with Australia.   If you go into debt with a credit card it really in the party who issued you with the credit card to cancel it quickly because you don't have to pay it.Sep 20 01:44
oiaohmChaekyung: there are a lot of interesting numbers.   Australia has tracked a lot of covid-19 to population density.Sep 20 01:45
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MinceRChaekyung: i've heard that swedes were pretty disciplined about following the recommendationsSep 20 01:48
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ChaekyungMinceR: they haven't really recommended anything that's not generally a good idea. Like, you should probably wash your hands a few times a day even if there isn't some scare hoax being broadcast around the clock in foreign mediaSep 20 01:51
oiaohmChaekyung:   But the swedens have not being doing nothing either.   There has been a lot of contact tracing.Sep 20 01:52
oiaohmWashing hands is one of the best protections against viruses that people have not been doing.Sep 20 01:54
Chaekyungin some ways that and the "social distancing" thing makes it kind of good that other countries have this constant fear mongering in their media Sep 20 01:56
Chaekyungbefore people would stand like crammed next to you in the que at the storeSep 20 01:56
Chaekyungnow they are like half a meter awaySep 20 01:56
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Chaekyungthat aspect is goodSep 20 01:56
oiaohmAlso the 1.5 meters social distancing is something people going to Sweden had to be aware of before covid-19.   You can upset sweden people by being a person they don't know getting close.Sep 20 01:56
Chaekyungnah that's finland oiaohm Sep 20 01:57
oiaohmSo Sweden started this mess with social distancing already in place.Sep 20 01:57
Chaekyungfinland is where they stab you if you stand too close to theme at the bus-stopSep 20 01:57
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, your credit cards go away in bankruptcy here too.Sep 20 01:58
oiaohmfinland get savage but sweden people still did not like what was normal Australian socal distancing before covid-19.Sep 20 01:58
DaemonFC[m]They could do real account reviews and cut you off, but they don't care until you can't make minimum payments anymore.Sep 20 01:58
Chaekyung  <- notice the dateSep 20 01:59
oiaohmChaekyung: think before covid-19 it was nothing strange here in Australia to bump into each other passing throw shoping ques and the like.Sep 20 01:59
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oiaohmSo a natural social distance of Australia before covid-19 was basically zero.Sep 20 01:59
oiaohmYes changing a wrong natural social distance is not exactly simple.Sep 20 02:00
oiaohmChaekyung:   This is Australian queing for unemployment payments with social distancing in place.   We really don't have a good idea how to social distanceSep 20 02:02
oiaohmYes the top photo is currentish there.   You don't want to see how tight before people were attemping to social distance somewhat.Sep 20 02:03
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Chaekyung>queue outside an Australian government welfare centreSep 20 02:03
Chaekyung>Australian government welfare centreSep 20 02:03
Chaekyungwell that fiuresSep 20 02:04
ChaekyungfiguresSep 20 02:04
Chaekyungand it's march, the one month were there were actually a few cases here. Sep 20 02:04
oiaohmI understand why to Swedish people the amount of advertising Australia is doing on social distancing and need for masks and the like makes little sense.Sep 20 02:05
oiaohmto themSep 20 02:06
oiaohmits not being aware how screwed up Australian social distance has been and how hard that is to fix.Sep 20 02:06
oiaohm   This is a stock photo taken just before Australia started pushing for social distancing.Sep 20 02:07
oiaohmThere has been a big problem in Australia for social distancing where if you would historically space out to a fair distance between people that someone would just cut in line in front of you.Sep 20 02:08
MinceRgood to know people are savages over there too :>Sep 20 02:08
oiaohmReally with Australian criminal historic and pick pockets you would have though their would have been more natural social distancing but no that not the case.Sep 20 02:10
oiaohmWe need government to regulate common sense human spacing at least for a while.Sep 20 02:10
oiaohmand hopefully that comes part of our natural socal culture.Sep 20 02:11
oiaohmThinking in Australia our highest population density is 174 people per sq km on city area.   There is really no need to que in this country with zero space we more than have the space not to que tight.  Sep 20 02:16
oiaohmChaekyung: basically a lot of the things you need to do to deal with covid-19 effectively are proper sanity.    Issue here is places like Australia we have not being doing everything sanely.   I remember 10 years back where you had to have a doctor certificate to get off work if sick and if you conditions were not bad enough doctor was not legally allowed to issue either.lSep 20 02:19
oiaohmNow you have illness you must not go to work.Sep 20 02:19
oiaohmYears of doing this stuff wrong takes some very messy and extreamish measures to fix.Sep 20 02:20
oiaohmVictoria mess in Australia is caused by putting quarantine security out to tender and using the cheapest contract with the lowest education. Sep 20 02:25
oiaohmAgain that is something sweden never would do.Sep 20 02:25
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schestowitzwow. How he skips GNU. 20 03:04
schestowitzlike GNU never existed!Sep 20 03:04
schestowitzMINIX, Linux...Sep 20 03:04
schestowitzburying GNUSep 20 03:05
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oiaohmschestowitz: techically if you are talking about Unix GNU does not exist.Sep 20 03:18
DaemonFC[m]Bankruptcy law in Australia seems to be similar except you.can do it kore often.Sep 20 03:19
schestowitzoiaohm: GNU is UNIX tools reimplementedSep 20 03:19
schestowitzthe library of programsSep 20 03:19
DaemonFC[m]Here you have to stay out of debt for at least long enough to file again.Sep 20 03:19
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DaemonFC[m]That's 8 years. But it usually takes about a year or two after default to get sued.Sep 20 03:19
DaemonFC[m]So you might string them along long enough to file again.Sep 20 03:20
schestowitzhe also says "open source" a lotSep 20 03:20
schestowitzthat term is phonySep 20 03:20
schestowitzhe means to say Free softwareSep 20 03:20
schestowitzbut that comes to show how revisionism and lies goSep 20 03:20
oiaohmschestowitz:  GNU= GNU is Not Unix  .   Minix and Linux are both Unix like not in the Unix famaly tree.Sep 20 03:21
schestowitzto the point where those who explain the past use modern newspeakSep 20 03:21
schestowitzthat does not actually allude to what happened in the pastSep 20 03:21
schestowitzoiaohm: GNU mimicsSep 20 03:21
schestowitzUNIXSep 20 03:21
schestowitzso it is not UNIXSep 20 03:21
schestowitzLinux is not UNIX, eitherSep 20 03:21
oiaohmExactly so if you are purely talking about Unix history  Linux, Minix and GNU really should not appear.Sep 20 03:22
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schestowitzI am talking about last minute of the videoSep 20 03:26
schestowitzhe leaps past gnuSep 20 03:26
schestowitzand pretends it all got liberated because of some finnish studentSep 20 03:26
schestowitzand mentions minix as wellSep 20 03:26
schestowitznever gnuSep 20 03:26
schestowitzor "Free software"Sep 20 03:26
oiaohmTo be correct a lot of Unix users did not find out about GNU until Linux took off.Sep 20 03:35
oiaohmminix did make it into universities Sep 20 03:35
oiaohmschestowitz: I would say the timeline in his video would have been how it appeared to him.Sep 20 03:36
oiaohmHe also skips over that where cases with alot of early unix that you installed GNU stuff like the GNU compilier and your support contract went by by off your mainframe.Sep 20 03:38
oiaohmIt really was not until Minix/Linux that Unix vendors started getting more open to third party core parts.Sep 20 03:38
oiaohmschestowitz: so the time line is kind of right.   The big break was not GNU but Linux and Minix putting up full systems so those doing Unix could not be as much of a support contract ass.Sep 20 03:40
oiaohmI still remember having to do a tafe course in 2000 and having to produce the legal documenttion that using open source software was legal.Sep 20 03:42
oiaohmand could not be a case to void their support contract.Sep 20 03:43
oiaohmthat was the first time I had to deal with Unisys and when I found out that old Unix support companies were assholes and at time insanely anti open source.Sep 20 03:44
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oiaohmschestowitz: question have you ever had to deal with those old school Unix support companies:?Sep 20 03:46
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DaemonFC[m]<oiaohm "that was the first time I had to"> Yeah, because they knew they had a matter of 5 or 10 years left tops, before the bankruptcy.Sep 20 05:50
DaemonFC[m]Usually at that point the only plan for the company is the CEO and Board starts embezzling it down to nothing.Sep 20 05:50
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schestowitz"Sep 20 07:06
schestowitzRose Hughes's employer is Astra Zeneca, currently busy working with the boffins at Oxford University to bring a C19 vaccine to market. Surely, Stanfield, all involved are on board with the idea that one tells the Patent Office before one tells anybody else. Keep an eye also on the CRISPR patent battles just developing, and how much disclosure there was during the American grace period before the respective patent applications were Sep 20 07:06
schestowitzfiled. I suspect there wasn't much. Sep 20 07:06
schestowitzI suspect nearly all "academics" these days are well-aware of the financial consequences of not filing patent applications early. How about the perovskite story, patented by Isis Innovation (ie Oxford University)? Surprisingly big performance improvement, out of the blue, in the field of solar panel electricity generation. How much are those patents going to be worth?Sep 20 07:06
schestowitz"Sep 20 07:06
schestowitz 20 07:17
schestowitz"Sep 20 07:17
schestowitz"If Germany would nevertheless ratify with Art 7(2) UPCA as it stands, the risk is great that a constitutional complaint on this topic might be successful."Sep 20 07:17
schestowitzIt is known that the Court waited to pass the Brexit date of 31st January to publish its decision.Sep 20 07:17
schestowitz"Sep 20 07:17
schestowitzby zoobabSep 20 07:17
schestowitzzoobab: what is it known>by<?Sep 20 07:17
schestowitzI must have missed thatSep 20 07:17
schestowitzthe decision came 50 days laterSep 20 07:17
schestowitzwho was it known TO?Sep 20 07:17
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schestowitz# more of the same, this is not a new problem with windoze patchesSep 20 08:16
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schestowitzzoobab: this is in google news 20 09:37
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zoobabstrange some parts were rewrittenSep 20 09:50
schestowitzhmm..Sep 20 09:50
schestowitzwithout giving you back the changes?Sep 20 09:50
schestowitzwhen I made slight amendments I listed all of them to youSep 20 09:50
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schestowitzAriadne: viera has fallen offlineSep 20 12:44
schestowitzI've only just noticedSep 20 12:44
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schestowitzMinceR: I think you posted this in the pastSep 20 12:50
schestowitz1-2 years agoSep 20 12:50
schestowitzor similar jokeSep 20 12:50
*XRevan86 also thinks so.Sep 20 12:50
schestowitzdifferent imageSep 20 12:50
XRevan86possibly several times :)Sep 20 12:50
MinceR:)Sep 20 12:51
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XRevan86All ratings are equal.Sep 20 13:12
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MinceRbut some ratings are more equal than othersSep 20 13:41
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scienteswhy am I so tired every day?Sep 20 13:48
schestowitzexit the boxSep 20 14:19
inkyi think it is time for all self respecting blog engines to join the federation and start supporting one of the protocols: diaspora, or activitypub, or ostatus.Sep 20 14:20
inkyrss/openid are not enough any more.Sep 20 14:20
inkyand it is more fun the federation way.Sep 20 14:21
smnthermes> inky wrote:Sep 20 14:23
smnthermes> rss/openid are not enough any more.Sep 20 14:23
smnthermesWhy?Sep 20 14:23
schestowitzrss is neutralSep 20 14:24
schestowitzno middlemen in pods and instancesSep 20 14:25
schestowitzit's like each RSS feed of a site is its own podSep 20 14:25
schestowitzwith no need for extra server/hardwareSep 20 14:25
schestowitzdecentralisation was already there before the Facebooks or the worldSep 20 14:25
inkybecause people today we are used  other functionality, we like to check in, we want to limit some shares to be seen by only one or other group of people, we want to manage if/how our contacts are visible to these or that contacts.Sep 20 14:26
inkythere are fun things we have thereSep 20 14:26
Chaekyungthere was some but it wasn't as bad as it is now, and it gets worse each year. Some recent numbers said you and I are fighting for something like 8% of web traffic. The rest is split between Google, Facebook and, oddly, MicrosoftSep 20 14:26
inkyalso i think it is very hard to convince many people to join mastodon or diaspora, but it is much more appealing for them to open a blog.Sep 20 14:27
tdemininky, most people have nothing to write and can't, reallySep 20 14:28
inkyand if they open a blog which has federatdon support they dont need to have an account on federation to share the posts, but it would be possible to subscribe and follow tdem, respond right from tde fediverse.Sep 20 14:28
inkysorry i am from screen kbd, hard to write, thus typos.Sep 20 14:29
tdemin> follow them | and it would look crap in pretty much any fedi softwareSep 20 14:29
tdeminwe already have problems with masto users looking at broken markup posted by pleroma usersSep 20 14:30
inkyschestowitz: no middle man if your standalone blog is its own diaspora or ap instance.Sep 20 14:30
tdeminyou DON'T want to read blogs in your fedi softwareSep 20 14:30
tdeminyou just don'tSep 20 14:30
tdemininky, the instance you follow from is the middle manSep 20 14:31
inkyi am on my own instance (: both diaspora and mastodon.Sep 20 14:32
inkymy diaspora pod is up since 2012Sep 20 14:32
inkytdemin actually i did not fitd a agood rss reader and i brought all the feuds i read to diapora to read from thereSep 20 14:33
tdemininky, you still have to cover the expense costs and you aren't very likely to have it running on the server you control physically, so you still have a middle manSep 20 14:33
inkybut if i like tdem on diaspora they have no idea about it.Sep 20 14:33
tdemininky, start using autocompletion already, screen kbd is of little issue if you're not an iPhone 5 userSep 20 14:34
tdemininky, there's Tiny Tiny RSS, and, unlike fedi software, you don't have to have to self-host in order to use itSep 20 14:35
tdemind/to have/Sep 20 14:35
tdeminIRC badSep 20 14:35
inkyi am on nailfish and dvorak kbd has no autocomplete.Sep 20 14:37
inkysailfish. sorry, need to drive. soo you.Sep 20 14:37
inkysee uSep 20 14:39
tdemin> running a mobile kbd with no completionSep 20 14:39
tdeminlike srslySep 20 14:39
tdeminthis is just inefficient and basically uselessSep 20 14:42
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schestowitz"The Unitary Patent system keeps coming back to the pages of the IP blogs. Last week, the Preparatory Committee of the UPC published a press release, stating that ‘the unitary patent system [is] to be functional in near future’. Kluwer Patent Blog summed up the latest developments (and hurdles) on the road to a functional UPC. "Sep 20 16:45
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Around the IP Blogs - The IPKatSep 20 16:45
schestowitz"Afro-IP blog shared a guest post on the value of the intellectual property in times of Covid-19. Examples such as the recent confusion between Zoom and Zoom Technologies on the stock market, outlined the Afro-IP blog, remind of the importance of a careful due diligence review."Sep 20 16:50
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scientesMinceR, 20 18:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-North Korean conflict summarized - YouTubeSep 20 18:48
MinceRlolSep 20 18:48
scientesXRevan86, yeah, you are right that it is sad those youth wanted to use latin to write georgianSep 20 19:06
scientesthe older generation that was raised soviet has no problem with the georgian scriptSep 20 19:06
XRevan86scientes: Don't remember saying that, but the Latin script is generally not well-adapted for various languages of the world, so odds are I did :)Sep 20 19:06
scientesI've also gotten some e-mails that are both georgian and latin-georgianSep 20 19:07
scientesthe latin-georgian also sucks because you can't put it into the translate applicationSep 20 19:07
scientesand yes, it is also poor for georgianSep 20 19:07
scienteshowever I was suprised when I was at the hospital and the nurse entered russian in latin and it translated it no problemSep 20 19:08
XRevan86scientes: Google Translate can parse "translit"Sep 20 19:08
XRevan86for Russian at leastSep 20 19:08
scientesbut only russian translitSep 20 19:08
scientesnot georgian translitSep 20 19:08
XRevan86just confirmingSep 20 19:08
scientesI really hope Mozilla's speech recognition/translation stuff comes along to that levelSep 20 19:09
scientesit would be nice to have a libre software solutionSep 20 19:09
XRevan86It's weird that even though Unicode has won the trend towards the lowest common denominator continues.Sep 20 19:12
scientesXRevan86, yesSep 20 19:12
scientesnot just unicode, but utf-8Sep 20 19:13
scientesand if you noticed, cyrillic is the very first block of unicodeSep 20 19:13
scientesafter the legacy latin-1 blockSep 20 19:13
XRevan86ASCII is first-erSep 20 19:13
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XRevan86scientes: That's probably also legacy of thinking of Russia as a prominant nation :)Sep 20 19:14
XRevan86today I think the second block would've been GreekSep 20 19:14
scienteswell, the annexation of Crimea was reminiscent of the British war to take that in order to "contain the Russian bear"Sep 20 19:15
scientesand I was just watching Color of PomogranatesSep 20 19:15
scientesit doesn't really matterSep 20 19:16
scientesArabic is the most interesting one, along with the standardized RTL algorithmSep 20 19:16
XRevan86Ukraine begs to differ %)Sep 20 19:16
scientesI was talking about the unicode stuff %)Sep 20 19:16
XRevan86scientes: I think Cyrillic would've been one of the first ones simply because it's a Greek alphabet derivative and so overall familiarSep 20 19:17
scientesArabic was the big technical achievement of UnicodeSep 20 19:17
XRevan86ah, I thought you continued my speculation on what the second block would've been todaySep 20 19:17
scientesLike سلام PeaceSep 20 19:18
scientes^^ that is an incredible accomplishmentSep 20 19:18
XRevan86Indeed.Sep 20 19:18
scientesbut the energy for this stuff has wanedSep 20 19:19
scientesI think the new version of the Georgian font is still stalled in githubSep 20 19:19
XRevan86There's obviously a big market for RTL supportSep 20 19:19
scientesand their currency symbol is still not in the font...Sep 20 19:19
XRevan86this stuff is overrated, but if unicode can put useless crap in, may as well add real symbolsSep 20 19:20
scientesand I don't like glibc's thing of doing country-specific versions of a languageSep 20 19:20
scienteslike now South Africa locale is totally abandonedSep 20 19:21
scientesdue to civil warSep 20 19:21
XRevan86scientes: Would you like to have an endless grammar srach between en_GB and en_US? %)Sep 20 19:21
scientesbut that is just EnglishSep 20 19:21
scienteslook at anything before the 17th centurySep 20 19:21
scientes18th*Sep 20 19:22
scienteswhen all the dumb spellings got standardizedSep 20 19:22
scienteseven with all the fossil vowelsSep 20 19:22
DaemonFC[m]<scientes "Arabic is the most interesting o"> IIRC, RTL support in IE was the reason it caught on in those parts of the world.Sep 20 19:22
DaemonFC[m]The early internet stuff was heavily biased towards the latin alphabet and LTR. Sep 20 19:22
scientesevery vowel that comes before a "r" is a fossil vowelSep 20 19:23
MinceR20 202146 < scientes> but that is just EnglishSep 20 19:23
XRevan86scientes: That's the worst example.Sep 20 19:23
MinceRthere's also portuguese, for exampleSep 20 19:23
MinceR(portugal vs brazil)Sep 20 19:23
MinceRthere's also spanish (spain vs mexico)Sep 20 19:23
XRevan86scientes: and no, if a vowel is reduced to a schwa, it's still not that badSep 20 19:23
scientesbut it shouldn't matterSep 20 19:23
scientesthey should just write so that it can be understoodSep 20 19:24
MinceRthey were not closely connected enough, so they drifted apartSep 20 19:24
scientesbut computers+internetSep 20 19:24
scientesthey drift back togetherSep 20 19:24
MinceRwell, computers+Internet hasn't merged these variants togetherSep 20 19:24
MinceRand i doubt they ever willSep 20 19:24
scientesMinceR, no it hasn't it has replaces them with English %)Sep 20 19:25
MinceRat least as long as these groups of people maintain a separate identitySep 20 19:25
MinceRuhmericans won't adopt uk english, brits won't adopt us englishSep 20 19:25
scientesMinceR, 20 19:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Everyone In Middle East Given Own Country In 317,000,000-State SolutionSep 20 19:25
MinceRlolSep 20 19:25
MinceRi'd like my own country tooSep 20 19:25
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*DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < >Sep 20 20:00
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Copypaste from somewhere else. Sep 20 20:00
DaemonFC[m]Maybe when Hurricane Beta slams into the US, it'll take out some Windows 10 S laptops from the store shelves and Microsoft won't have as many to write off as a product failure.Sep 20 20:02
DaemonFC[m]"It was horrible. It rained fish and Windows 10 S laptops, and then the Mayor of Warsaw spontaneously combusted, but not like the fictional one of Poland like that episode of Red Dwarf. It was the mayor of Warsaw, Indiana. It turns out that spontaneous human combustion occurs in 0.1% of COVID-19 patients and the CDC was previously unaware of this, currently occupied with still trying to figure out if it's airborne orSep 20 20:09
DaemonFC[m]not and when, exactly, we should start panicking. President Trump was unavailable for comment, offering his expertise on the exploding trees at a meeting in California." Sep 20 20:09
MinceRlolSep 20 20:11
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]:   It would be a hell of a break though.   There are no medically provable cases spontaneous human combustion.Sep 20 20:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Discover the truth about whether spontaneous human combustion is real | BritannicaSep 20 20:14
DaemonFC[m]According to Trump, people shouldn't go into the woods. You know, with trees that could go off at any minute like that.Sep 20 20:15
DaemonFC[m]The changing world in which we live has grown more hostile to humans and you never know when there will be a suicide bomber tree. You'll just be sitting there trying to hunt or fish or go hiking and one will blow up on you like a Claymore mine.Sep 20 20:15
DaemonFC[m]The trees have us right where they want us, and only Trump knows because he gets these briefings, you know.Sep 20 20:15
DaemonFC[m]When you hear a tree ululating and shouting Allah Pine Cone, you know it's already too late.Sep 20 20:15
oiaohmOver the forest issue there are major USA management issues.Sep 20 20:16
oiaohmleading to excessively high fuel load.Sep 20 20:16
MinceRi thought the trees spoke vietnameseSep 20 20:16
DaemonFC[m]That's only if you were in Vietnam and had untreated PTSD that the government doesn't care about.Sep 20 20:17
DaemonFC[m]JWZ mentioned the flu in one of his blog posts, MinceR Sep 20 20:18
DaemonFC[m]He mentioned that his club was running during flu season and he wanted to have the pharmacy people come out and offer free flu shots, but they're $40 without insurance and most people who come in probably don't have their insurance card.Sep 20 20:19
DaemonFC[m]I told him, "Well that's a good example of adulting. You're in San Francisco where one drink probably costs $40 and nobody brings their insurance card, when they could end up in a hospital that does the bare minimum and throws you out if you don't have evidence of major insurance.".Sep 20 20:19
DaemonFC[m]He didn't publish the comment. Sep 20 20:20
oiaohm   Australia changed fire control regulation big time after we had major damage at capital.lSep 20 20:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 2003 Canberra bushfires - WikipediaSep 20 20:21
DaemonFC[m]The US is ridiculous.Sep 20 20:21
oiaohmUS is more insane yes but even places like Australia can be stupid.Sep 20 20:22
DaemonFC[m]It waits until there's like billions in damages and then goes "Why does this keep happening?" then does something to get knocked down in a worse disaster later. Sep 20 20:22
oiaohmFire is a tricky one.lSep 20 20:22
oiaohmIf you only prevent bush fires you push the problem into the future and worse.Sep 20 20:23
oiaohmControlled burns are part of any good fire management process.Sep 20 20:23
oiaohmOf course controlled burns do sometimes turn into non controlled burns.Sep 20 20:24
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DaemonFC[m]I don't know why conservatives are still trying to get Roe overturned.Sep 20 21:02
DaemonFC[m]Abortion would still be legal in 28 states and DC.Sep 20 21:02
DaemonFC[m]That wouldn't be much different than the situation now, where the red states have regulated it so much most of them don't have more than 1 clinic in the entire state anyway.Sep 20 21:03
MinceRbecause it would at least inconvenience people trying to get an abortionSep 20 21:03
DaemonFC[m]Illinois has already seen an influx of women from surrounding states.Sep 20 21:03
MinceRanything to harm heretics!Sep 20 21:03
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Yes, but when Roe came down in the 70s, abortion was only legal in a handful of states.Sep 20 21:04
DaemonFC[m]So it opened it up to most of the country, and that situation would be much different today.Sep 20 21:04
MinceRalso, they'll probably try to ban it on the federal levelSep 20 21:04
DaemonFC[m]Illinois was a red state back then and passed a trigger law that would bring back the ban if Roe was overturned.Sep 20 21:04
MinceRmaybe they'll manage to do it via the SCOTUS if they get another fascist in thereSep 20 21:04
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DaemonFC[m]But we repealed that law a couple years ago and expanded abortion to Medicaid and state health plans, and opened up 3 more clinics near Missouri, Kentucky, and Wisconsin.Sep 20 21:05
DaemonFC[m]I don't think that we're in danger of the situation being much different than it is now, and that's why Republican judges on the court haven't really bothered to go after Roe directly already.Sep 20 21:06
DaemonFC[m]They're smart enough to know that 95% of the clinics are in those 28 states and DC already.Sep 20 21:06
MinceRso they'll probably try to ban it in those 28 states and DCSep 20 21:06
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DaemonFC[m]They might get a few, but not all.Sep 20 21:09
XRevan86Gasprom: Dreams Come TrueSep 20 21:10
DaemonFC[m]I think 24 have Democratic majorities in both chambers of the legislature and a Democratic governor.Sep 20 21:10
DaemonFC[m]The DC city council will never flip.Sep 20 21:10
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DaemonFC[m]And Democrats control at least the governor's office or one chamber of the legislature in those 4 other states. Sep 20 21:11
DaemonFC[m]Most states require a supermajority to override a veto from the Governor.Sep 20 21:11
DaemonFC[m]Which the Republicans won't have. Sep 20 21:11
MinceRif you liked Gazprom, you'll love... 20 21:11
DaemonFC[m]I'd say they might get rid of Roe, but they'll have a much tougher hill to climb once it goes back to the states.Sep 20 21:12
XRevan86MinceR: bend gas?Sep 20 21:12
MinceR¯\_(ツ)_/¯Sep 20 21:12
DaemonFC[m]Their best bet would be to try to go directly after the state constitution via a ballot initiative, but those are only allowed in certain states, and it's not easy in most of the ones that allow it.Sep 20 21:12
XRevan86MinceR: The G is silent, got it.Sep 20 21:13
DaemonFC[m]Oddly, their best odds might be in California.Sep 20 21:13
DaemonFC[m]California isn't as "blue" as it looks. It's really mostly the cities. If you can get an issue like an abortion rollback on the ballot, you could either ban it or curtail it by citizen initiative. Sep 20 21:13
DaemonFC[m]Only about 36% of the country thinks that abortion should be legal with absolutely no restrictions.Sep 20 21:14
DaemonFC[m]So if you can't ban it, what you'd do is start out by setting caps like "12 weeks".Sep 20 21:14
DaemonFC[m]Hope that the issue shifts more in your favor later, and just keep taking whacks at it until it's gone.Sep 20 21:15
DaemonFC[m]Most women don't suspect they're pregnant until they miss their period, so by that point a lot of the clock has already run out. Sep 20 21:16
DaemonFC[m]Then they only have 6-8 weeks to decide what to do and get down to the clinic. Sep 20 21:16
DaemonFC[m]But you can always go to another state, and that's where the Republicans don't get it.Sep 20 21:17
DaemonFC[m]The Indiana, Wisconsin, Missouri, Kentucky, and Tennessee legislatures don't get to decide what the law in Illinois is.Sep 20 21:17
DaemonFC[m]So the clinics just open up a mile over the border like what's going on anyway and they're out of reach of the hostile legislature.Sep 20 21:17
DaemonFC[m]But women can get on the train in Wisconsin, take it one stop, and from there it's a bus ride through Waukegan.Sep 20 21:18
DaemonFC[m]Or drive.Sep 20 21:18
DaemonFC[m]So the only barrier is that they have to spend like an hour getting to Waukegan somehow and maybe ten bucks in gas or fare.Sep 20 21:19
DaemonFC[m]Their legislature can't do anything about it, because they didn't commit a crime in Illinois.Sep 20 21:19
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Abortion in Indiana: More women travel to Illinois for procedureSep 20 21:20
DaemonFC[m]"Overall, the number of abortions performed on women from Indiana has declined by about 14% between 2009 and 2017, the year for which the latest data was available. Nationwide, abortions have dropped by about a fifth since 2009.Sep 20 21:21
DaemonFC[m]But during that period, the proportion of out-of-state abortions has doubled, and in all more than 18,000 women left Indiana to get abortions largely in neighboring states. In all, about a quarter of the abortions performed on Hoosier women took place outside the state. Sep 20 21:21
DaemonFC[m]The largest area of growth was in Illinois, where almost four times as many Hoosier women underwent an abortion in 2017 than did in 2009. By contrast, the number of Indiana women getting abortions in Ohio, Kentucky and Michigan remained relatively steady. "Sep 20 21:21
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: So the "inconvenience" of living in a red state is about as bad as it's going to get even if Roe is overturned.Sep 20 21:21
DaemonFC[m]Thus, the "payoff" from repealing Roe, for the conservative agenda is "not much".Sep 20 21:21
MinceRsymbolicSep 20 21:22
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I doubt they'll ever really get past where it would be at the point of the Roe overturn.Sep 20 21:23
DaemonFC[m]Truth is, they'll get the benefit without having to take any of the heat from their own voters.Sep 20 21:24
DaemonFC[m]Most of the people getting abortions would be a drain on the state, and the Republicans are infamously cheap. They're either going to have to pay for it with free shit or prisons, or both, because that's have to deal with it somehow and every option costs money.Sep 20 21:25
DaemonFC[m]My theory is they'll be happy to export it to where they can go "Oh those evil liberals in Chicago." and then not have all the crime and welfare in their home state.Sep 20 21:25
DaemonFC[m]It's a have your cake and eat it for the Republicans.Sep 20 21:26
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schestowitz[21:21] <DaemonFC[m]> MinceR: So the "inconvenience" of living in a red state is about as bad as it's going to get even if Roe is overturned.Sep 20 21:59
schestowitzGood for the travel industrySep 20 21:59
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schestowitzRe: rms on RESPECTSep 20 22:13
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schestowitz> i have a load of things ready to watch, one of them (which i forgotSep 20 22:13
schestowitz> about) is a video of rms talking in kerala, india. shouldnt be difficultSep 20 22:13
schestowitz> for you to find in a few seconds.Sep 20 22:13
schestowitz> Sep 20 22:13
schestowitz> but he starts out on a very politely and even-toned tiride about how heSep 20 22:13
schestowitz> found it disturbing that just as he was coming in, he overheard someoneSep 20 22:13
schestowitz> telling everyone to Be Silent.Sep 20 22:13
schestowitz> Sep 20 22:13
schestowitz> he said he found it disturbing (this is not his usual schtick as far asSep 20 22:13
schestowitz> i know, i think it was just off the top of his head, though i dont knowSep 20 22:13
schestowitz> that either) because he feels that could hurt the people or hurt him, ifSep 20 22:13
schestowitz> they have TOO MUCH respect for one person.Sep 20 22:13
schestowitz> Sep 20 22:13
schestowitz> he said it could hurt them if if puts them too low, or it could hurt himSep 20 22:13
schestowitz> if he got used to being put too high. he said fortunately, hes not goingSep 20 22:13
schestowitz> to let that happen.Sep 20 22:13
schestowitz> Sep 20 22:13
schestowitz> his concern was not that respect was being shown, but that there is aSep 20 22:13
schestowitz> level of respect that is "too much for any one person."Sep 20 22:13
schestowitz> Sep 20 22:13
schestowitz> what you shouldnt have that level of respect for, he says, isnt aSep 20 22:14
schestowitz> person, but freedom.Sep 20 22:14
schestowitz> Sep 20 22:14
schestowitz> i wasnt planning to watch this talk now and i will probably save it forSep 20 22:14
schestowitz> later. rather rms came up on the screen, and i was instantly curious andSep 20 22:14
schestowitz> decided to watch for a minute.Sep 20 22:14
schestowitz> Sep 20 22:14
schestowitz> timely fucking message. i dont know when he was in kerala, im sure itSep 20 22:14
schestowitz> wasnt in the past few months. maybe it was a year or two ago, hold on--Sep 20 22:14
schestowitz> Sep 20 22:14
schestowitz> 20 22:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Richard M Stallman talk in FISAT, Ankamali, Ernakulam, Kerala, India - YouTubeSep 20 22:14
schestowitz> Sep 20 22:14
schestowitz> it was put online 8 years ago, so this was done 2012-2013 at the verySep 20 22:14
schestowitz> latest.Sep 20 22:14
schestowitzI think I can remember that trip.Sep 20 22:14
schestowitzRMS is modest relative to what he accomplished.Sep 20 22:14
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MinceRhe may yet help our enemies destroy all of itSep 20 22:15
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schestowitz"Hey, pal, why don’t you shut the fuck up, CEO Mark Zuckerberg responds."Sep 20 23:47
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schestowitzLots of covid cases in Aruba nowSep 20 23:58
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