●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Friday, November 20, 2020 ●● ● Nov 20 [00:00] DaemonFC[m] People are absolutely dumping their restaurant gift cards at fire sale prices. [00:00] DaemonFC[m] Don't blame them. All you can get now is maybe take out and not even that if they go bankrupt. [00:00] schestowitz learn to cook [00:00] schestowitz much better [00:00] schestowitz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kikzjTfos0s&feature=youtu.be&t=28 [00:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-On Bullsh*t Jobs | David Graeber | RSA Replay - YouTube [00:01] vZS1 Cooking at home definitely better [00:01] schestowitz now safer, too [00:01] vZS1 Learn to preserve food. It'll come in handy. [00:02] schestowitz milk turned sours 2 weeks ago [00:02] schestowitz so we made pancakes out of it [00:02] vZS1 Cheese or yogurt works too [00:03] vZS1 I've taught a lot of my friends and neighbours how to pickle stuff the last few months [00:03] schestowitz it's the cooking/boiling that matters [00:03] vZS1 Can save those veggies that are just about to go off [00:05] vZS1 You can make butter from heavy cream [00:05] vZS1 Just put it in a bowl and keep mixing [00:06] vZS1 You get buttermilk and butter [00:06] vZS1 Can salt the butter and it'll last longer [00:06] vZS1 Stuff like that goes a long way [00:07] schestowitz most people don't want to learn [00:07] schestowitz they haul a pack of 4 carton cups [00:07] vZS1 Don't get why. It's a lot of fun [00:07] schestowitz with coffee in them [00:07] schestowitz at 10 pounds total [00:07] schestowitz maybe advertising, that's why [00:07] schestowitz the "lifestyle"-type [00:08] schestowitz show you have money... but buying things at irrational prices [00:08] schestowitz 70p for a pack of crisps, 50 grams [00:08] vZS1 Lol [00:08] schestowitz some shops sell them quarter price [00:09] schestowitz near the expiry date, then the price becomes the actual worth [00:09] schestowitz and you can get whole boxes of the thing [00:09] schestowitz we've noticed that between lock-downs there was more discounted stuff than we could store and consume [00:09] schestowitz lots of "premium" items didn't sell [00:10] vZS1 You see the real value in times like this [00:11] vZS1 So stock up on all the toilet paper [00:11] schestowitz sarcasm? [00:11] vZS1 Yeah [00:11] schestowitz :-) [00:11] schestowitz tbh [00:12] schestowitz you don't even need paper if it comes to that [00:12] schestowitz if there's running water [00:12] schestowitz but you cannot eat soil [00:12] schestowitz or towels [00:12] vZS1 I've lived in countries where it's normal to use a jug and your hand [00:12] vZS1 Just wash hands with soap after [00:12] schestowitz eating is the hard part [00:13] schestowitz growing food is very hard [00:13] vZS1 Indeed [00:13] schestowitz unless you live in a jungle [00:13] schestowitz (or have a firearm and break into homes with food) [00:13] vZS1 I'm one of those prepper people [00:13] schestowitz drinks now an issue with running water [00:13] XRevan86 schestowitz: If the milk is such that goes sour, then definitely go for it. [00:13] schestowitz in ukraine they chopped down people for food [00:14] vZS1 I've always got a few months worth of food in the larder [00:15] vZS1 Rice, beans, flour, lentils, canned and pickled provisions, etc [00:15] schestowitz "so THAT'S where all that food went!" [00:16] vZS1 I go foraging a lot as well for seasonal stuff [00:16] vZS1 Quite a lot of forest nearby [00:16] schestowitz berries [00:17] schestowitz but they don't last long [00:17] vZS1 Fungi [00:17] schestowitz you could pick a ton of berries in summer [00:17] schestowitz if you can clean and consume them, but it's a lot of manual labour [00:17] schestowitz people "too busy makin' moneyyy" [00:17] vZS1 Yeah. Unless you do something like make jam. But jam is really bad for teeth. [00:18] vZS1 Last thing you want is cavities when the dentist isn't available [00:19] vZS1 You can get raspberries everywhere in the UK [00:19] schestowitz they grow out there [00:19] schestowitz nobody picks them [00:19] schestowitz not even what's left of flying insects [00:20] vZS1 Literally hundreds of kilos even in cities [00:20] vZS1 Parks and stuff [00:20] vZS1 Commons [00:21] vZS1 Nettles are another good one [00:22] vZS1 Nettle soup is great [00:22] vZS1 Also grows practically everywhere in the UK [00:23] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Digital Restrictions (DRM) and Spying, Proprietary Software and (In)Security http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144563 [https://pleroma.site/objects/26db6423-2409-4eb9-93e4-d02fedf2ec3b] [00:23] vZS1 And it's not like some countries that spray pesticides everywhere. It's safe to forage and eat this stuff in the UK [00:25] schestowitz if you live in suburbs maybe [00:25] vZS1 Even in cities. [00:25] vZS1 The UK doesn't really have many big cities [00:25] vZS1 Mostly towns and villages [00:27] vZS1 And even for the big cities, you don't need to go far to hit more rural areas [00:28] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144564 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1e5a9f9f-2f2e-4741-ab4d-be2deae95140] [00:30] vZS1 What's another one [00:30] vZS1 Uh [00:30] vZS1 Chestnuts [00:30] vZS1 Plenty of those even in the cities [00:30] vZS1 Sweet chestnuts too [00:33] vZS1 You can get them by the bag. Nobody will stop you [00:35] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144565 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a4412838-0493-455b-b3db-c91e8d35341f] [00:39] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 20/11/2020: Mir 2.2, Istio Releases, Linux 5.9.9 http://techrights.org/2020/11/19/istio-releases/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/8d82bd42-961e-4344-ad50-faafe6ee02d7] [00:41] schestowitz ddos underway [00:41] schestowitz just now [00:44] schestowitz OK, it's back under control now [00:48] vZS1 Know the source IP? [00:54] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [00:54] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [00:54] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [00:56] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights ● Nov 20 [01:09] DaemonFC[m] "Georgia confirms Biden victory after statewide audit" -CNN [01:10] DaemonFC[m] "President-elect Joe Biden beat President Trump by 12,284 votes, according to the final results from the audit. This is a slight drop for Biden compared to the pre-audit results. [01:10] DaemonFC[m] Georgia plans to certify Bidens victory on Friday." [01:11] DaemonFC[m] The reason for the relatively dramatic ~2000 vote margin shift was some uncounted ballots that malfunctioning optical scanners didn't tally. [01:11] XRevan86 O.K., but what about Vladivostok? [01:11] DaemonFC[m] Trump says they're proof he was cheated, but in one county they actually broke for Biden. [01:12] DaemonFC[m] Regardless, now that they've been hand counted and nothing could possibly have been missed, a further recount would be pointless. [01:13] DaemonFC[m] "Sen. Tammy Duckworth, a Democrat from Illinois, is under consideration to lead the Department of Defense, officials said, a decision that would be historic. Not only is Duckworth a decorated veteran, but also would be the first woman to serve as Defense secretary." [01:13] DaemonFC[m] I voted for her in 2016. [01:16] *zjmc_ (~jmc@139.28.218.235) has left #techrights [01:21] *willyg_cos (~willyg_co@96.44.189.195.adsl.inet-telecom.org) has joined #techrights [01:45] DaemonFC[m] The Kremlin didn't come through for Trump this time. [01:46] *XRevan86 fixed the "tux machines" font issue on Android, I didn't backport the exact font that has these symbols: NotoSansCJK. [01:47] XRevan86 Why Enclosed Alphanumeric Supplement and such are grouped with CJK is beyond me. [01:47] XRevan86 DaemonFC[m]: That was more of a reference to that great guy schestowitz met on Minds :) [01:54] DaemonFC[m] https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/19/politics/trump-democrats-election/index.html [01:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-edition.cnn.com | Trump told ally he's trying to get back at Democrats for questioning legitimacy of his own election - CNNPolitics [01:54] DaemonFC[m] (CNN)President Donald Trump told an ally that he knows he lost, but that he is delaying the transition process and is aggressively trying to sow doubt about the election results in order to get back at Democrats for questioning the legitimacy of his own election in 2016, especially with the Russia investigation, a source familiar with the President's thinking told CNN on Thursday. ● Nov 20 [02:04] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [02:06] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [02:41] *willyg_cos has quit (Quit: ZZZzzz) [02:57] *gde33 (~gde333@84-106-154-98.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) has joined #techrights ● Nov 20 [03:03] DaemonFC[m] Been shopping on Amazon a little. Mandy needed a new belt so I picked one out of Warehouse Deals for him. [03:04] DaemonFC[m] Then they said if I added my Discover card they'd give me $20, so I got an electric tea kettle for free. [03:05] DaemonFC[m] Been needing one, but this says saves 50% of the energy vs boiling water on the stove. ● Nov 20 [04:35] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: The Witcher is probably the best thing I've seen on TV in a while. [04:35] DaemonFC[m] I need to go find the games. [04:35] DaemonFC[m] I'm sure I'm missing something great. [04:45] MinceR Witcher? But I don't even know 'er! ● Nov 20 [05:30] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Xfce 4.16pre2 released! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144566 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d0e8c881-3cb2-4dc1-bfeb-570fb1cfe078] [05:31] schestowitz [01:54] (CNN)President Donald Trump told an ally that he knows he lost, but that he is delaying the transition process and is aggressively trying to sow doubt about the election results in order to get back at Democrats for questioning the legitimacy of his own election in 2016, especially with the Russia investigation, a source familiar with the President's thinking told CNN on Thursday. [05:31] schestowitz Birtherism precedes that [05:31] schestowitz he did that to Obama [05:33] MinceR "alternative facts" [05:39] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kali Linux 2020.4 switches the default shell from Bash to ZSH http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144517#comment-27203 [https://pleroma.site/objects/38e06326-70fa-45a5-acec-1a6c0200354d] [05:42] *DerigazzTheBorin (6311f13b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.99.17.241.59) has joined #techrights [05:43] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144567 [https://pleroma.site/objects/09c5093c-8d14-4acf-a3d8-a2103b7fdd5b] [05:44] DerigazzTheBorin Is anyone awake? [05:46] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: System76 Refreshes the Galago Pro LaptopSystem76 Refreshes the Galago Pro Laptop http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144229#comment-27204 [https://pleroma.site/objects/807a45be-cda4-482e-a779-a9f09370f4fd] [05:47] *DerigazzTheBorin (6311f13b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.99.17.241.59) has left #techrights [05:51] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: GNU/Linux Devices: Raspberry Pi, Tinker Board 2, Librem 5 and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144568 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c47fb52e-b3df-435c-9761-9069e64adb1a] [05:55] MinceR https://i.imgur.com/wGGVngE.jpg ● Nov 20 [06:00] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: A Review of NixOS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144569 [https://pleroma.site/objects/020e1701-3d6e-465d-96d8-cf584202f959] [06:03] schestowitz 5-inch-long ero [06:03] schestowitz *ego [06:04] MinceR :) [06:15] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: IBM/Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144570 [https://pleroma.site/objects/bab73974-2314-4bd5-aa70-ccb8ff35558c] [06:20] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Graphics: Intel, X11 and Wayland http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144571 [https://pleroma.site/objects/25bac2f5-defc-48c7-a1a1-ef2e1b392314] [06:24] schestowitz Re: M$ just played the US public again [06:24] schestowitz > Sorry, I should have called this when Christopher Krebs was appointed. [06:24] schestowitz > He looks like he was appointed by M$ for the explicit purpose of [06:24] schestowitz > whitewashing their systems. [06:24] schestowitz > [06:24] schestowitz > Krebs, 43, is a former Microsoft executive appointed by [06:24] schestowitz > Trump to head the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure [06:24] schestowitz > Security Agency (CISA), a division of the U.S. [06:24] schestowitz > Department of Homeland Security. As part of that role, [06:24] schestowitz > Krebs organized federal and state efforts to improve [06:24] schestowitz > election security, and to dispel disinformation about [06:24] schestowitz > the integrity of the voting process. [06:24] schestowitz > [06:24] schestowitz > https://krebsonsecurity.com/2020/11/trump-fires-security-chief-christopher-krebs/ [06:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-krebsonsecurity.com | Trump Fires Security Chief Christopher Krebs Krebs on Security [06:24] schestowitz > [06:24] schestowitz > Notice how carefully worded his statements were. He phrased the "most [06:24] schestowitz > secure ever" part like an M$ press release, meticulously avoiding an [06:24] schestowitz > evaluation on any absolute levels. Also, notice that he avoided any [06:24] schestowitz > statement to the effect that the reported tallies were reliable, that is [06:24] schestowitz > beyond the capability of the machines. [06:24] schestowitz > [06:24] schestowitz > However, although it looks like there is fraud, it will not change the [06:24] schestowitz > election outcome since the machines, and thus the fraudulent tallies, [06:24] schestowitz > have been in red states: [06:24] schestowitz > [06:24] schestowitz > https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/457168-report-says-eight-states-to-use-paperless-voting-in-2020-despite [06:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Report says eight states to use paperless voting in 2020 despite security concerns | TheHill [06:24] schestowitz > [06:25] schestowitz > So even though the Orange One is projecting about some fraud, there [06:25] schestowitz > probably really was fraud to his advantage, and M$ is using his lies to [06:25] schestowitz > whitewash their passive involvement in it. [06:29] *Blukunfando has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [06:30] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) ● Nov 20 [07:02] schestowitz vZS1: going to add text versions of irc logs [07:02] schestowitz working on ironing out some encoding bugs at the moment [07:03] schestowitz it's coded in perl [07:03] schestowitz I can start by making text versions for the past ~3 weeks, then upload those to ipfs, update index etc. [07:03] schestowitz then it'll be done as part of the nightly routine [07:25] schestowitz Re: Article quote [07:25] schestowitz >> The FSF tells him to promote GitHub, and he does. They give him a [07:25] schestowitz > platform, as long he says exactly what theyre saying already. [07:25] schestowitz > [07:25] schestowitz > Right, this outlines the change. For most intents and purposes, he has [07:25] schestowitz > warned against Github. This is the way that line is intended: [07:25] schestowitz > [07:25] schestowitz > The FSF tells him to [indirectly] promote GitHub, and [now] he does. [07:25] schestowitz > They give him a platform, as long he says exactly what theyre saying [07:25] schestowitz > already. ● Nov 20 [08:04] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: May we live long and die out | http://vhemt.org/) [08:13] vZS1 Fair enough [08:13] vZS1 Just wanted to point that line out because it seemed very not like RMS to me [08:13] schestowitz we work on refactoring [08:13] schestowitz the whole irc thing [08:13] schestowitz [07:55] 1. html version [08:13] schestowitz [07:55] 2. html version in ipfs [08:14] schestowitz [07:55] 3. text version [08:14] schestowitz [07:55] 4. text version in ipfs [08:14] schestowitz [08:13] Just wanted to point that line out because it seemed very not like RMS to me [08:14] schestowitz that's the "permissible RMS" [08:14] vZS1 You should look into Raku. The grammars make parsing very simple [08:14] schestowitz a parrot of P-C script [08:14] schestowitz vZS1: I am waiting for raku to delete github [08:14] schestowitz I discussed this with them this week [08:14] vZS1 They're moving to GitLab [08:15] schestowitz seeing how Guido van Icaza moved to Microsoft, just like Python did, I'm careful what I make my code dependent on [08:15] vZS1 I tried to nudge them away from shithub a week or two ago [08:15] schestowitz vZS1: link? [08:15] vZS1 It's in their IRC logs [08:15] schestowitz so maybe it's paying off [08:15] schestowitz :-D [08:15] schestowitz self-hosted? [08:15] vZS1 Idk [08:16] vZS1 It's on freenode [08:16] vZS1 Or did you mean GitLab [08:16] vZS1 Because then, no. [08:18] vZS1 Raku is free software though [08:18] vZS1 You can just grab the source [08:18] vZS1 And build [08:18] vZS1 Their build chain is solid [08:18] vZS1 I even built Raku on Rpi (using swap) [08:21] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [08:21] vZS1 https://docs.raku.org/language/grammar_tutorial [08:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-docs.raku.org | Grammar tutorial [08:23] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [08:23] *rianne has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [08:23] *asusbox has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [08:25] *asusbox (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [08:25] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [08:26] vZS1 https://rakudo.org/star [08:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rakudo.org | Rakudo Star Bundle - Rakudo Compiler for Raku Programming Language [08:26] vZS1 That's where you can grab source from [08:27] vZS1 It's a zipped tarball [08:28] vZS1 Anyway. You already built something with Perl. That will do for now [08:29] vZS1 I've got a long list of things I need to build. A lightweight reverse proxy is on the list too [08:30] vZS1 Right now I'm working on an RSS 2.0 feed generator [08:31] vZS1 Basically building everything from scratch. [08:32] vZS1 I've had a look at what's available and they're all too heavy [08:34] vZS1 So I'm just hacking together stuff as I go along [08:36] vZS1 Very much keeping the Unix philosophy in mind [08:36] vZS1 Small tools that do one thing [08:36] vZS1 And then combining those into more specialised tools [08:37] vZS1 If you look at an HTTP server now. It's not just transferring hypertext [08:37] vZS1 Pretty ridiculous when you think about it [08:38] vZS1 All these unnecessary standards and frameworks [08:40] *notanamber (~luca@host-79-6-210-200.business.telecomitalia.it) has joined #techrights [08:41] schestowitz they want to levrage browsers [08:41] schestowitz to do everything [08:41] schestowitz leverage them for DRM also [08:42] vZS1 Well. I'm not going to play along with that [08:42] schestowitz now they they replace Adobe Trash with EME and multimedia at least [08:42] schestowitz many others won't, either [08:42] schestowitz they increasingly opt for lighter things [08:42] vZS1 I don't have a single line of JavaScript anywhere. And I intend to keep it that way [08:45] vZS1 Right now I've already got a small HTTP server that only serves a few files [08:46] vZS1 Those files are just updated with other tools [08:46] schestowitz you still need JS as a client for some things [08:46] schestowitz as many sites like gov. sites won't work without js [08:47] vZS1 I'm not really thinking about others here [08:47] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [08:47] vZS1 This is just for my own stuff [08:48] vZS1 I'm only going to be serving a simple home page, an ipfs index, and an RSS feed. So that's just 3 files right now [08:48] schestowitz yes, I know [08:49] vZS1 I hard coded that into my server so that the server isn't doing work it doesn't need to do [08:51] vZS1 Those files are all handled by tools purpose-built for handling them [08:51] vZS1 So right now I'm building the RSS generator [08:51] vZS1 I'll need to build an IPFS index generator and an HTML generator [08:52] vZS1 And those are all done on a schedule so as not to take up resources that other processes could use [08:54] vZS1 I'm using Go so it's really straightforward to cross-compile to any of the Unices [08:54] vZS1 Statically linked binaries that don't require much hassle to set up [08:55] vZS1 Because disk space is easy to add on. Admin resources are expensive ● Nov 20 [09:00] vZS1 People used to run IRC servers that had thousands of users on a few megabytes of RAM [09:00] vZS1 There's no reason we can't get back to that [09:01] vZS1 It's actually necessary to break free from shithub and the like [09:06] vZS1 https://stallman.org/archives/2020-sep-dec.html#20_November_2020_%28Climate_mayhem_will_be_much_worse_than_Covid-19%29 [09:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | 2020: September - December Political Notes - Richard Stallman [09:10] *tr_guest|21652 (53564f43@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.86.79.67) has joined #techrights [09:10] *tr_guest|21652 has quit (Client Quit) [09:26] *chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:587:dc01:200:655e:ef87:f909:8731) has joined #techrights [09:28] oiaohm vZS1: really Covid-19 if we do nothing due to class of virus it would be like a flu going around and around killing people for unlimited amount of time. [09:28] oiaohm Same class as annoying chicken pox. ● Nov 20 [10:44] *kingoffrance has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [10:57] *kingoffrance (~x@2601:681:8200:b890::7cc6) has joined #techrights ● Nov 20 [11:31] *chomwitt has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [11:39] *mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrights ● Nov 20 [12:39] *obarun has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [12:53] oiaohm https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/11/twisted-graphene-could-power-new-generation-superconducting-electronics This adds a new performance possiblity to carbon based chips.\ [12:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sciencemag.org | Twisted graphene could power a new generation of superconducting electronics | Science | AAAS ● Nov 20 [13:15] *chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:587:dc01:200:655e:ef87:f909:8731) has joined #techrights [13:27] MinceR https://i.imgur.com/D5rMUZM.jpg [13:30] *tr_guest|76437 (b9303f68@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.185.48.63.104) has joined #techrights [13:35] *xvx (~xvx@185.48.63.104) has joined #techrights [13:36] *tr_guest|76437 has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) [13:56] XRevan86 Thanks, Satan, I appreciate it. ● Nov 20 [14:03] *Blukunfando (~bkf@154.red-83-39-24.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) has joined #techrights [14:35] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: What do open source product teams do? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144572 [https://pleroma.site/objects/47564555-bfed-4c20-bfdb-e42935c280ed] [14:36] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: How we develop success metrics for open source events http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144573 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b504db25-c51f-4a25-aa9a-84aad05ccbb6] [14:38] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: How we develop success metrics for open source events http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144573 [https://pleroma.site/objects/15393f43-845e-427f-ba96-0f0775403a1e] [14:39] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144575 [https://pleroma.site/objects/3789a7ff-9a88-47b3-8cfe-23eacbb3436d] [14:46] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [14:59] *xvx has quit (Quit: xvx) ● Nov 20 [15:08] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #techrights [15:16] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144577 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ecdcfec9-e567-44cd-8cc1-1229fe9d6b5c] [15:19] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: XFCE 4.16 pre2 Release Brings Major Updates http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144576 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d334151b-86b1-499c-86d1-3981f02c3aec] [15:25] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz, I wonder how many other people like Garrett there are out there to award Free Software medals to in order to be defeatist, to take pressure off users to demand more robust solutions, and to take legal pressure off Microsoft to develop things that actually work that are not entirely within their own control. [15:26] DaemonFC[m] What he did with Secure Boot didn't buy us any freedom. It bought us a very short leash where Microsoft could pull the plug on the signature today and new laptops going out would refuse to boot non-Windows systems with a "security policy violation" tomorrow. [15:27] DaemonFC[m] Richard Stallman signing off on that award is, figuratively, like giving the Jesus Award to Judas Iscariot. [15:29] DaemonFC[m] They give him and Miguel the thirty pieces of silver and they put restrictions on Linux that don't improve actual security or the app development on Linux one tiny little bit, but do stuff it with patents and poorly hashed out Mkcrosoftisms that open it up to legal attacks and just outright attack. [15:29] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: I am working on something related to this [15:29] schestowitz an article [15:29] DaemonFC[m] The rot set in under Stallman and with his direct approval. [15:30] schestowitz They later gave an award to Deb Icaza [15:30] schestowitz given by RMS himself [15:31] schestowitz he was not part of the committee that decided on it [15:31] schestowitz Deb Icaza meanwhile raised money from Microsoft [15:31] schestowitz Deb Icaza is now GM (sole employee) of OSI [15:31] DaemonFC[m] That trans woman that was running Libreboot was something else. [15:31] schestowitz which is disturbing to say the least [15:31] schestowitz let's not get into that [15:32] schestowitz Leah would later defend RMS [15:32] schestowitz and retract what she had said [15:32] schestowitz she defended him during the coupo [15:32] schestowitz *coup [15:32] DaemonFC[m] So you're telling me that Stallman is "transphobic" yet he hired you in the first place. [15:32] schestowitz I gotta focus on editing some article [15:32] MinceR https://xkcd.com/2174/ [15:32] schestowitz speak later.. [15:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: First News Memory [15:33] DaemonFC[m] I don't understand the whole trans thing and I can't say that I approve it disapprove of it, and it wouldn't really be appropriate for me to do either since it doesn't really affect my life either way. [15:34] DaemonFC[m] Hmm, I think Element is messing up. That message was meant to deride the idea that Stallman harassed that person running Libreboot. [15:35] DaemonFC[m] I think in one particular case I was annoyed with a trans person. [15:36] DaemonFC[m] My aunt's husband divorced her and then had a sex change operation and then showed up and wanted his two young daughters to call him mom. [15:36] DaemonFC[m] I think that was beyond the pale, honestly, because it confused and humiliated them and all the other kids ganged up on them because of that. [15:37] DaemonFC[m] At the time, especially, it simply was not done. [15:37] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Qt and Qt Creator Releases http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144578 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b3c96ff8-ac72-410c-96e7-0dd228f8e310] [15:37] *timur_demin (~tdemin@2a03:1ac0:6dc3:9367::2) has joined #techrights [15:38] DaemonFC[m] There were maybe three sex reassignment operating centers in the entire county and all of them turned him down after a psychiatric evaluation. [15:38] DaemonFC[m] So he ended up going to Canada to get it done and then,.at the time, I think there were only a handful of states that would amend your documents, so he was still legally male. [15:40] DaemonFC[m] Life is sometimes sacrificing your own happiness or goals for other people, and I mean, if you can't do that then don't start a family for one thing. [15:40] *tdemin has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [15:41] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz, I do get the whole demanding loyalty in exchange for doing people a huge favor. [15:42] DaemonFC[m] And I don't think a lot of people do anymore. Emotionally, people seem to be stunted at around age 12 to 15 these days. [15:42] DaemonFC[m] Those are the sorts that RMS unfortunately allowed to burrow into the FSF. [15:43] DaemonFC[m] In the US federal government, we have this problem called burrowing, Roy. [15:43] DaemonFC[m] And I think it applies to many organizations, but the outgoing regimes try to reclassify as many of their people as career civil servants as possible on the way out [15:44] DaemonFC[m] Technically, they have to follow the orders of the new administration, but it's hard to fire them and the goal is that it slows things down and gets things done in a way that wasn't what they wanted. [15:45] DaemonFC[m] Oddly, Trump might have improved this. [15:46] DaemonFC[m] There's a regulation that's about to be finalized that makes it easier to fire these people and he rammed it in expecting that he couldn't possibly lose the election and he'd get rid of the people from Clinton through Obama that we're still hanging around. [15:46] DaemonFC[m] But now Biden can easily purge the Trump and George W. Bush people. [15:47] DaemonFC[m] I never liked the idea of burrowing anyway, because while no outgoing president has ever tried to pull off some ridiculous scheme to steal and reverse a major and compelling defeat until now, they did use burrowing to effectively kind of linger. [15:50] DaemonFC[m] https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/20/politics/rick-scott-florida-covid-19/index.html [15:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Rick Scott: Florida GOP senator says he has Covid-19 - CNNPolitics [15:51] DaemonFC[m] Skeletor has COVID. [15:51] MinceR lol [15:51] MinceR i thought he was a snake-man [15:54] DaemonFC[m] Google accidentally gave me control over the business listing for those assholes that called the cops on me for applying for an apartment. [15:55] DaemonFC[m] I briefly.considered changing their business number to Marcel's so her phone would ring off the hook with people asking if she had any apartments in Chicago. [15:55] *CrystalMath (~coderain@reactos/developer/theflash) has joined #techrights [15:55] DaemonFC[m] Then I realized it would be funny for a few minutes and then I might end up with the police at my door, so I got ahold of Google and told them about the mix up. [15:56] DaemonFC[m] I'm still wondering what the hell is going on with Google. [15:57] MinceR lack of competition [15:57] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Collabora, Civilization VI, Total War: WARHAMMER II and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144579 [https://pleroma.site/objects/45a99518-f77d-41d8-80d3-15be87b23543] [15:59] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Audiocasts/Shows/Videos: Proton, Self-Hosting, LibreOffice Videos and EXWM http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144580 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a1df66c1-0c1a-415f-8b97-c3aae6ed4014] ● Nov 20 [16:02] *drdogcow has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [16:03] schestowitz https://slated.org/respect_freedom_not_pragmatism [16:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 500 @ https://slated.org/respect_freedom_not_pragmatism ) [16:04] *drdogcow (~drunkendo@gateway/tor-sasl/drunkendogcowm/x-45413332) has joined #techrights [16:08] psydroid They are going for another attempt with the Pluton chip in every future Intel, AMD and Qualcomm chip. Unfortunately for them the world has changed in the meantime and at least I won't be buying any devices containing any of those even more compromised chips. [16:10] schestowitz "I've created a monster! [16:10] schestowitz Cause nobody downloads GNU anymore, [16:10] schestowitz They want 'Linux', [16:11] schestowitz I'm chopped liver!" [16:11] schestowitz No license on this one... [16:11] schestowitz -figosdev [16:17] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: SolidRuns Latest http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144581 [https://pleroma.site/objects/60d0f959-f46f-4233-85b0-ff21e8002c83] [16:19] vZS1 Hoard all the old computers [16:19] vZS1 Lol [16:20] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #SolidRun s Latest http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144581 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ffe0be5f-a9eb-4405-9194-782d5260e891] [16:20] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Open Letter to Mogzagain (No Worries) http://techrights.org/2020/11/20/open-letter-mogzagain/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/a9a9c31c-94bb-42a6-9936-65ae53f21347] [16:21] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in #Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144582 [https://pleroma.site/objects/094d1d8f-1f37-4634-9046-14e0d8bce55b] [16:28] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security Patches in OpenSUSE and SUSE http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144583 [https://pleroma.site/objects/12099911-acd1-4780-a7f9-1cc8d1ac3218] [16:33] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Xfce 4.16pre2 Is Another Step Forward For This Open-Source Desktop http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144566#comment-27206 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1fc1bb7d-074c-4786-b532-ad25a3b9d382] [16:41] schestowitz vZS1: still having some encoding bugs [16:41] schestowitz will try looking into our perl stuff later myself [16:41] schestowitz a friend had worked on it [16:42] schestowitz by the way, it would be nice to have exact quote re raku [16:42] schestowitz quotable text [16:42] schestowitz even if informal irc log [16:42] schestowitz to write something to congratulate them on getting off github [16:42] schestowitz we need "Success Stories" like these [16:42] schestowitz and I suggested to them those alternatives only several days ago [16:48] vZS1 I'll try to find the log entry [16:48] vZS1 Taking the night off now though [16:49] schestowitz I made some progress with her [16:49] schestowitz I think she's very high level in the project [16:49] schestowitz dutch name [16:50] schestowitz I forgot the name [16:50] schestowitz still working on getting curl to delete github [16:50] vZS1 Liz (: [16:50] schestowitz yeah [16:50] vZS1 She's very nice [16:50] schestowitz she said they'd look into it [16:51] schestowitz our latest article in TR talks about WHY to delete github [16:51] schestowitz it's a very long piece [16:56] *notanamber has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [16:58] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [16:59] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights ● Nov 20 [17:01] MinceR https://xkcd.com/2177/ [17:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: Gastroenterology [17:05] vZS1 Their whole development pipeline runs on shithub's free tier. [17:08] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kernel: Linux Security and Graphics http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144585 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8e40094f-455b-4d61-8c6f-6b570e961ffc] [17:10] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security: Patches, Linux Format Special and POWER9 Problems http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144586 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7e4fc3b2-837a-4d78-8e43-51bf7dfd5e9b] [17:11] schestowitz raku's? [17:11] schestowitz free as in? 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[17:33] schestowitz https://twitter.com/jjmerelo/status/1329834216020987905 [17:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jjmerelo: @liztormato @loltimo @schestowitz We do have resources in @gitlab, graciously conceded by them. I don't think there https://t.co/d3bDRspBfQ [17:33] schestowitz " [17:33] schestowitz We do have resources in @gitlab [17:33] schestowitz , graciously conceded by them. I don't think there's any talk of totally moving there for the time being? [17:33] schestowitz " [17:33] schestowitz https://twitter.com/jjmerelo/status/1329837333953261571 [17:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jjmerelo: @liztormato @loltimo @schestowitz @gitlab By "conceded" I simply mean they gave it to us for free when we requested it. Thanks a lot! [17:33] schestowitz "By "conceded" I simply mean they gave it to us for free when we requested it. Thanks a lot!" [17:33] schestowitz https://twitter.com/jjmerelo/status/1329837503344467971 [17:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jjmerelo: @Mrofnet @schestowitz Well, we kind of panicked when we bumped into the @travisci limit. They also gave us some res https://t.co/tlWB2qQtX1 [17:33] schestowitz " [17:33] schestowitz Well, we kind of panicked when we bumped into the @travisci [17:33] schestowitz limit. They also gave us some resources, but still, we might need some additional CI pipelines for longer-lasting builds or deployments. [17:33] schestowitz " [17:34] schestowitz https://twitter.com/0xFreak71/status/1329825865933459458 [17:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@0xFreak71: @schestowitz Microsoft SQL server and success in the same phrase it is "finally it worked successfully" :P [17:35] superkuh Why build remotely in the first place? [17:35] superkuh Why move all that stuff away from local? [17:35] schestowitz coz clown [17:36] vZS1 They only use about 1500 minutes a month as well [17:36] superkuh I see more and more small software organizations moving to the model and it's pure cargo cult. [17:36] schestowitz vZS1: https://twitter.com/Mrofnet/status/1329801498755207174 [17:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Mrofnet: @schestowitz what? this is very sudden, if true [17:36] schestowitz https://twitter.com/loltimo/status/1329798228322242561 [17:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@loltimo: @schestowitz so far only for the CI [17:37] schestowitz https://twitter.com/liztormato/status/1329784022751391744 [17:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@liztormato: @schestowitz Que? [17:37] schestowitz superkuh: "App" coming soon [17:37] schestowitz and it'll be smart and you can scan the code for it :-) [17:38] vZS1 Meanwhile we have unlimited minutes of CI a month [17:38] vZS1 Because we own our own hardware [17:38] schestowitz yeah [17:38] superkuh A native application to run that does what? [17:38] schestowitz they don't have hardware [17:38] schestowitz it's serverless [17:38] schestowitz it runs on AIR [17:38] vZS1 HEY HI [17:39] schestowitz "Alexa, compile for me" [17:39] schestowitz Alexa: I can't do this. I'm dedicated hardware, I can only record you for Jeff. [17:40] MinceR Open the pod bay doors, Alexa. [17:41] schestowitz https://twitter.com/LessRelevant/status/1329556192344100871 [17:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@LessRelevant: @schestowitz 1. Git is a distributed system. If GitHub bothers you so much, just create your own mirror. 2. The li https://t.co/sLbXHCp9il [17:41] schestowitz " [17:41] schestowitz 1. Git is a distributed system. If GitHub bothers you so much, just create your own mirror. [17:41] schestowitz 2. The link is totally unrelated to the Tweet's content. [17:41] schestowitz " [17:41] vZS1 Git actually isn't distributed [17:41] vZS1 You pull and push to a central server [17:42] vZS1 That's not distributed [17:42] MinceR you can pull from and push to any host running git [17:42] MinceR you can change your remotes, you can even add aliases for multiple remotes [17:43] vZS1 But a project usually just has the one Git server [17:43] MinceR you can also format changesets for mail and apply them from a mailable format [17:43] MinceR what a project usually does is not a property of Git [17:43] vZS1 You need an http server [17:44] vZS1 And an email server [17:44] vZS1 Or SSH [17:44] vZS1 Git protocol [17:44] MinceR still, afaik the main issue with being locked into ShitHub isn't really the git repos, but stuff like bug tracker tickets [17:44] vZS1 All not P2P [17:44] vZS1 IPFS and BitTorrent are distributed [17:45] vZS1 Git is not [17:45] MinceR Git is a distributed version-control system [17:45] MinceR look it up :> [17:45] MinceR compare it to non-distributed VCS-es [17:45] vZS1 Compare it to IPFS [17:46] MinceR IPFS is not a VCS [17:46] vZS1 That's not the point [17:46] vZS1 It's a distributed system [17:46] XRevan86 http://poorlydrawnlines.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/on_the_horse.png this is gold [17:46] MinceR what is the point? that Git is not IPFS? [17:46] vZS1 Git is not P2P is the point [17:47] vZS1 There's no DHT for Git [17:47] vZS1 It's a centralised hash table [17:47] MinceR there's no DHT for Gnutella either [17:48] vZS1 We don't have a truly distributed VCS [17:48] vZS1 Yet ● Nov 20 [18:07] vZS1 If I want to pull from a Git repo, I need to specify a remote. When I pull an IPFS object from the IPFS swarm, I don't need to specify a remote [18:07] vZS1 So Git is still centralised [18:09] MinceR you're working with very weird definitions of "centralized", "distributed" and "P2P" [18:09] MinceR so you shouldn't be surprised that it doesn't match others' definitions [18:10] vZS1 True [18:19] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [18:20] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [18:22] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [18:23] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [18:27] *tr_guest|81054 has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) [18:27] MinceR https://xkcd.com/2197/ [18:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: Game Show [18:50] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [18:50] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [18:51] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [18:53] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [18:56] vZS1 I feel like I agree with fig [18:57] vZS1 Linux is too big to fork [18:57] schestowitz far too much so [18:57] schestowitz torvalds doesn't know what's happening [18:57] schestowitz and admits it [18:57] vZS1 Something like OpenBSD with GNU on top is easy more manageable [18:57] vZS1 easily* [18:57] schestowitz amd lumps it like half a million lines in one push [18:58] schestowitz nobody except its own employees can conceivably audit that bloat [18:58] schestowitz some of that code is shares with their win32/64 drivers [18:58] schestowitz so you know it's not even elegant [18:58] schestowitz like wireguard [18:58] schestowitz or kvm [18:58] schestowitz they toss one bloated shit on top of another [18:59] schestowitz and say, "look it works!" [18:59] schestowitz then the next kernel release breaks it [18:59] schestowitz because it's goo ● Nov 20 [19:12] vZS1 Them patches [19:12] vZS1 More like patchwork [19:43] schestowitz vZS1: see index/ipfs [19:43] schestowitz I am adding the past 20 days' logs [19:43] schestowitz as ascii [19:43] schestowitz 80 files [19:43] schestowitz I am changing the scripts a bit [19:43] schestowitz and we figure out better presentation [19:44] schestowitz the cluttered one we have goes a looong way back... over a decade [19:44] schestowitz techrights.org/category/irc-logs/ [19:44] schestowitz even http://techrights.org/category/irc-logs/ [19:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Logs | Techrights [19:47] DaemonFC[m] I found a bunch of deals on ground turkey and chicken breasts. Had to play Freezer Jenga but I got them in there. [19:47] DaemonFC[m] Scored $13 worth of markdowns this trip. [19:48] DaemonFC[m] Found some canned vegetables on markdown too. Can probably do something with those. I just never bothered to do shopping like this before. ● Nov 20 [20:07] MinceR (cat) https://hugelolcdn.com/i/705618.jpg [20:08] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [20:09] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [20:11] schestowitz MinceR: those are legs [20:12] schestowitz vZS1: I think it's all sorted now [20:12] schestowitz I added a column to the text index for ipfs [20:12] schestowitz for format [20:12] schestowitz I also added a link to it from the html/table version [20:12] schestowitz now what's left is modifying the way those are linked to or presented [20:12] schestowitz and further testing [20:13] schestowitz that the text shows up ok, no broken links, typos etc [20:19] vZS1 Good stuff [20:19] vZS1 This the Perl code? [20:19] schestowitz Perl and bash [20:19] schestowitz you might say now... arku [20:20] schestowitz as you can see, people in Twitter rush to dispute how much they leave/will leave shithub [20:20] schestowitz this needs more persistence/pressure on them [20:20] schestowitz seems like a dispute among different people [20:20] schestowitz maybe Microsofters will jump in soon [20:20] schestowitz they censor such debates in reddit and github (their own) [20:21] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [20:21] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [20:24] *zjmc_ (~jmc@137.63.71.51) has joined #techrights [20:25] schestowitz vZS1: can you still parse it ok? [20:25] schestowitz http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt/ [20:25] schestowitz space delimited except the end part [20:25] schestowitz http://techrights.org/ipfs/ has some extra formatting in it now [20:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index [20:26] schestowitz at some stage we need to add a howto pointer and then a menu entry at the front page, for people unaware and unfamiliar with ways to access/way/participate in it [20:38] schestowitz Added dynamic timestamp at bottom [20:38] schestowitz based on last update/upload time [20:38] schestowitz we'll need to change some IPs after moving over the server to another location, once Ariadne has free time [20:57] vZS1 schestowitz: can still parse [20:57] *TTwrs (~TTwrs@c-67-169-185-154.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #techrights [20:57] vZS1 Because CID is field 0 and field separator is space [20:58] vZS1 That's the assumption my script is built on [20:59] *TTwrs has quit (Client Quit) ● Nov 20 [21:05] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [21:06] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [21:10] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [21:12] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [21:17] XRevan86 https://blogs.coreboot.org/blog/2020/11/20/announcing-coreboot-4-13/ [21:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.coreboot.org | Announcing coreboot 4.13 coreboot [21:25] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Announcing coreboot 4.13 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144591 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5b92441d-443f-4fe9-bc4c-dda843a40de6] [21:29] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [21:30] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [21:42] scientes XRevan86, have you run coreboot before? [21:43] XRevan86 scientes: yes [21:43] scientes I ran it back in the day, and it was fully free [21:44] scientes but increasingly it has to run non-free signed uEFI stuff in order to boot systems [21:44] scientes which is sad [21:45] scientes those fucks at Intel [21:46] scientes that designed that operating system from hell called UEFI, with the purpose of robbing Microsoft [21:47] scientes (not that Intel is evil---we should all switch to connman because it gets a WiFi fix way faster than network manager_ [21:47] scientes if you use connman you will be connected from wifi before your display comes back from suspend [21:47] XRevan86 scientes: I don't see why I need UEFI (especially signed) to boot systems. [21:48] scientes XRevan86, things like DDR initialization [21:48] scientes DDR timing calculations are very tricky, and the most complicated part of Coreboot [21:48] scientes especially that when you do it, you can't use DRAM [21:54] scientes like read the video description here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyRsk8GU3OE [21:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-OSFC 2019 - Adaptation of AMD Reference Firmware to coreboot Using FSP 2.0 - YouTube [21:55] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [21:55] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [21:56] scientes my understanding is that there hasn't been a single x86_64 chip since amdfam10 (Phenom II) that can be run without clearly non-free software on the main CPU (ones before that had non-free microcode, and loading of new microcode had to be signed) [21:59] scientes POWER can now map a fabric of machines onto the same VM space with only 50-100 ns added latency ● Nov 20 [22:00] scientes https://youtu.be/27VRdI2BGWg?t=498 [22:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-IBM's POWER10 Processor - William Starke & Brian W. Thompto, IBM - YouTube [22:00] scientes with POWER you can now access the memory of any machine in a fabric with 50-100ns added latency [22:01] scientes XRevan86, that is better than the page table latency you get from running in KVM [22:11] *scientes (~scientes@unaffiliated/scientes) has left #techrights ("Leaving") [22:11] *scientes (~scientes@unaffiliated/scientes) has joined #techrights [22:12] *obarun (~obarun@host-115-126-165-174.fibre.nautile.nc) has joined #techrights [22:13] *davisr_ (davisr@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/davisr) has joined #techrights [22:15] *davisr has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [22:50] Ariadne the POWER10 memory fabric stuff looks amazing [22:53] vZS1 Do we have any kernel people here? [22:53] vZS1 People that hack kernel code ● Nov 20 [23:00] Ariadne sure [23:30] scientes Ariadne, haven't I seen you in #talos-workstation before? [23:30] scientes or is that AdrianCeleste [23:30] scientes damn, why can't I get my color-coded-by-hash nicks back [23:30] scientes except in the user-window which is totally useless waste of screen space [23:31] scientes its blue-man-group in my hexChat [23:32] scientes Ariadne, welcome to #techrights [23:32] Ariadne I've been here lol [23:32] scientes do you just lurk in #musl ? [23:32] scientes cause I'm active there [23:33] scientes if everybody was painted in blue paint, then it would still be hard to tell people apart [23:39] scientes Yay! 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