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schestowitzyou hit some of the key pointsDec 20 00:00
schestowitzI will be finished shortlyDec 20 00:00
schestowitztime to generated IRC logs, it's midnightDec 20 00:00
schestowitz" I use Mac daily and Slackware Linux on occasion."Dec 20 00:02
schestowitz 20 00:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Rooted in Tacoma, cloudPWR’s Shadrach White delivers tech solutions for governments everywhere - GeekWireDec 20 00:02
DaemonFC[m] 20 00:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | I uninstalled vantage. Is this a bad idea?-English CommunityDec 20 00:04
DaemonFC[m]About all this actually seemed to do on my laptop is spawn a million processes that collectively used a couple hundred MB of RAM.Dec 20 00:05
DaemonFC[m]So, gone...Dec 20 00:05
DaemonFC[m]For some reason, every OEM thinks very highly of their bloatware, which doesn't actually do a hell of a lot ofor you.Dec 20 00:06
DaemonFC[m] 20 00:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | PrivEsc in Lenovo Vantage. Two minutes later | Pen Test PartnersDec 20 00:07
DaemonFC[m]And, of course, the occasional security catastrophe. Dec 20 00:07
schestowitzwhose hardware had that anti-ssl malware preloaded?Dec 20 00:12
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: would you want to read the final article/draft?Dec 20 00:16
DaemonFC[m]Yeah.Dec 20 00:22
DaemonFC[m]Sorry, was tending to dinner.Dec 20 00:22
schestowitzit'll be lots of typosDec 20 00:28
schestowitzI will publish for reviewDec 20 00:28
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: maybe you'll find typos in your own text, tooDec 20 00:28
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: 20 00:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft Security Theatre and Microsoft-Funded Media Frenzy That Stigmatises Linux | TechrightsDec 20 00:29
schestowitzI've not proofread it yetDec 20 00:29
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: The "security" of app stores, which somehow end up hosting malware constantly.Dec 20 00:30
schestowitzyeah, it's a hard problemDec 20 00:31
schestowitzthey don't take source code but binary blobsDec 20 00:31
DaemonFC[m]Sometimes several hundred pieces of it get removed at once after allegedly been "hand picked" and "inspected" by Google, Apple, Microsoft, or whoever.Dec 20 00:31
DaemonFC[m]*allegedly having beenDec 20 00:31
schestowitzmaybe based on detected behaviourDec 20 00:32
schestowitznot the codeDec 20 00:32
DaemonFC[m]They don't actually look at what the hell they're signing or putting in their stores.Dec 20 00:32
schestowitzlike accessing what they ought notDec 20 00:32
schestowitzI'll put "Linux" in quotesDec 20 00:32
schestowitzthey call everything thatDec 20 00:32
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Epic Games slipped in that payment system past Apple's review process in much the same way Solarwinds got past everybody.Dec 20 00:32
DaemonFC[m]In that case, it was not malicious. Just dormant code that Apple didn't notice.Dec 20 00:32
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: are you reading it?Dec 20 00:33
schestowitzTrying to clean it asapDec 20 00:33
schestowitzto avoid typos beind visibleDec 20 00:33
DaemonFC[m]But Apple can't guarantee that there is no dormant code that's not ready to activate and steal data from their users all at once.Dec 20 00:33
DaemonFC[m]"Like DRM schemes, it’s only a matter of time before it’s rendered obsolete."Dec 20 00:34
DaemonFC[m]No mistakes, just a comment.Dec 20 00:34
DaemonFC[m]Nothing protected by Widevine, FairPlay, or PlayReady ever delays the video surfacing on bittorrent sites.Dec 20 00:34
schestowitzwill addDec 20 00:34
DaemonFC[m]Just as games get cracked and packaged more efficiently right away.Dec 20 00:34
DaemonFC[m]"How can we securely bank online using encryption that has back doors in it?"Dec 20 00:35
DaemonFC[m]The bank is a backdoor. They are legally required to report suspicious transactions and large amounts of cash activity to the federal government immediately.Dec 20 00:36
DaemonFC[m]Bitcoin isn't valuable because it's a thing. It's valuable because it's a payment method that the banks can't block from going through. Consider that Pornhub wasn't actively promoting illegal content knowingly, but got ambushed by banks blocking off their payment after they found a handful of videos among 14 million or so legal ones.Dec 20 00:37
DaemonFC[m]The result is that Pornhub went on the extreme defense, deleting most videos and forcing everyone to prove their innocence. Dec 20 00:37
DaemonFC[m]But had they accepted bitcoin, nobody could block that, and so outright illegal activity is using bitcoin. And Maricel has a ton of Bitcoin, and who knows why that is?Dec 20 00:38
DaemonFC[m]I can't think of a good reason not to just have USD in a bank account unless she's up to some really bad shit.Dec 20 00:38
DaemonFC[m]"in tact"Dec 20 00:39
DaemonFC[m]Should be intact.Dec 20 00:39
DaemonFC[m]"One reader of our"Dec 20 00:40
DaemonFC[m]oursDec 20 00:40
schestowitzyupDec 20 00:42
schestowitzMaricel or Mark? Bitcoin?Dec 20 00:42
schestowitzI doubt the former would know how to use itDec 20 00:42
DaemonFC[m]"often behind portrayed"Dec 20 00:43
DaemonFC[m]beingDec 20 00:43
schestowitzthanks, yes, I caught that tooDec 20 00:43
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: They all have crypto wallets.Dec 20 00:43
DaemonFC[m]She had even made one under Mandy's name and continued to use it for a while until I became aware of it and scrambled his password.Dec 20 00:44
DaemonFC[m]She also committed fraud to sign him up for a credit card in 2018, and as such, he already had an "account" with her email address attached to it on Capital One when we went to sign him up for a real one that he approved of.Dec 20 00:45
DaemonFC[m]There really is no telling what Maricel is up to. The parts that I know about are bad enough and involve fraud against her relatives and the government.Dec 20 00:46
schestowitzsounds like it..Dec 20 00:46
schestowitzstay awayDec 20 00:46
schestowitzshe could get her brother implicated even without his knowledgeDec 20 00:46
DaemonFC[m]I did what I could do.Dec 20 00:47
DaemonFC[m]I put fraud alerts on his credit reports.Dec 20 00:47
schestowitzeven if he denies being aware of it, the burden of proof would be on him to show itDec 20 00:47
schestowitzand in case of doubt, his situation is already precarious regardlessDec 20 00:47
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, I've thought about that.Dec 20 00:49
schestowitzworse:Dec 20 00:52
schestowitzthe more I think about itDec 20 00:52
schestowitzshe can use him as scapegoatDec 20 00:52
schestowitzfor leverage/blackmailDec 20 00:52
DaemonFC[m]I guarantee you she would if she got caught.Dec 20 00:52
schestowitzit's an 'insurance' policyDec 20 00:53
schestowitzin case they get caughtDec 20 00:53
schestowitzand guess who gets deportedDec 20 00:53
schestowitzthe poor oneDec 20 00:53
schestowitznot the rich oneDec 20 00:53
schestowitzit's easier and cheaper to prosecuteDec 20 00:53
schestowitzand less of a status to defendDec 20 00:53
schestowitzso the state finds that more convenient, as the IRS certainly does (to drive up "productivity" numbers)Dec 20 00:53
DaemonFC[m]They're not rich.Dec 20 00:55
DaemonFC[m]They're in debt trying to pretend at being rich.Dec 20 00:55
schestowitzyes, that's US def of richDec 20 00:55
schestowitzlike TrumpDec 20 00:55
DaemonFC[m]In reality, they're like an inch away from losing everything.Dec 20 00:55
schestowitzI live like I'm rich, hence I'm richDec 20 00:55
schestowitz"I'm not rich, but I act like one in real life"Dec 20 00:55
schestowitzit's based on borrowings from the futureDec 20 00:56
DaemonFC[m]Maricel said I have no idea of what "the real life" is like.Dec 20 00:56
DaemonFC[m]I laughed.Dec 20 00:56
schestowitzlike banks did when loaning for interest paymentsDec 20 00:56
DaemonFC[m]She's on that treadmill Richard Stallman was talking about.Dec 20 00:56
schestowitzpeople wrongly assume that as borrowers they're backed by physical cash at the back of the receptionDec 20 00:56
DaemonFC[m]She can't be happy sitting on the couch reading a book, going to the supermarket on double coupon day and driving a car that makes weird noises sometimes but is paid for.Dec 20 00:57
DaemonFC[m]So the result is some major lawsuits every now and then.Dec 20 00:57
DaemonFC[m]Maybe a Chapter 13 bankruptcy eventually.Dec 20 00:57
schestowitzor.... actual positive balance sheet on the bank's <what's that accounting term?>Dec 20 00:57
DaemonFC[m]In the black.Dec 20 00:57
schestowitznoDec 20 00:57
schestowitzthe old machine termDec 20 00:58
schestowitztaller?Dec 20 00:58
schestowitzbakrolling termDec 20 00:58
schestowitzit evades me... tip of the tongueDec 20 00:58
schestowitzanyway, depends on language, doesn't matter muchDec 20 00:58
schestowitzanyway, banks overstretchDec 20 00:58
DaemonFC[m]Net worth?Dec 20 00:58
DaemonFC[m]They have negative net worth.Dec 20 00:58
schestowitzmany assumptions re input and output of moneyDec 20 00:58
DaemonFC[m]More debt than assets.Dec 20 00:59
schestowitzinflow, outflowDec 20 00:59
DaemonFC[m]All the assets depreciate so fast that the creditors wouldn't even want them back anymore.Dec 20 00:59
schestowitzI'm surprised we don't yet hear about banks collapsingDec 20 00:59
schestowitzmaybe they want to cash in on lots of foreclosuresDec 20 00:59
schestowitzmortgages are being frozenDec 20 00:59
schestowitzthey call it holidayDec 20 00:59
schestowitzbut after holidays people go back to work and resumeDec 20 01:00
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, so are insurance coverages.Dec 20 01:00
schestowitzmany jobs here aren't resumingDec 20 01:00
schestowitzso the mortgage payments cannot just carry on later; utility bills are even worse... but the law prevents shutoffsDec 20 01:00
schestowitzthe whole social security system can collapse soonDec 20 01:00
schestowitzit's on the brink alreadyDec 20 01:00
schestowitzwe'll need some major resetDec 20 01:00
schestowitzlike UBIDec 20 01:01
schestowitznot enough jobsDec 20 01:01
schestowitzmore so when services are shutDec 20 01:01
schestowitzdining, bars, hotels, hospitality/travelDec 20 01:01
DaemonFC[m]The utilities aren't even prohibited from shutoffs in Illinois right now.Dec 20 01:01
DaemonFC[m]Even though it's winter.Dec 20 01:01
schestowitzthose jobs are gone for years to come and might not come back except in very limited capacityDec 20 01:01
DaemonFC[m]The governor signed a law that essential utilities can't require a deposit.Dec 20 01:01
DaemonFC[m]Which saved me like $100 up front to get the electric on.Dec 20 01:02
schestowitz2,546 deaths so far today in USlandDec 20 01:02
schestowitz120 in ILDec 20 01:02
DaemonFC[m]Yes, it's an emergency without end.Dec 20 01:02
schestowitzPennsylvania 203Dec 20 01:02
DaemonFC[m]And then they tell us we're getting half the vaccine doses they said we would.Dec 20 01:03
schestowitzby March it'll be about a yearDec 20 01:03
schestowitzUS excess death can be over half a million by then, easily 700,000+Dec 20 01:03
DaemonFC[m]By March, 600,000 Americans will be officially dead from this.Dec 20 01:03
DaemonFC[m]The end of March that is.Dec 20 01:03
schestowitzI spoke to my sister last nightDec 20 01:03
schestowitzshe had returned from DubaiDec 20 01:04
DaemonFC[m]I start counting from about March 23rd because that's when the lockdown started and they admitted we were in serious trouble.Dec 20 01:04
schestowitzand we joked about how these clinical trials ("vaccines") won't actually solve thsiDec 20 01:04
DaemonFC[m]Trump saying things like "I don't need the numbers.".Dec 20 01:04
schestowitzthe politicians give us false hopeDec 20 01:04
DaemonFC[m]"If you didn't test anyone there wouldn't be all these deaths."Dec 20 01:04
schestowitzwe still havr the fluDec 20 01:04
schestowitzthough we have a vaccine fro itDec 20 01:04
schestowitzand it's not as lethalDec 20 01:05
DaemonFC[m]"If it wasn't for the ballots, I would've won!"Dec 20 01:05
schestowitzbut the issue is not COVIDDec 20 01:05
schestowitzbut a broken economyDec 20 01:05
schestowitzthey won't do a big long shutdownDec 20 01:05
schestowitzbecause too many things will collapseDec 20 01:05
schestowitzCOVID won't be over until the number of cases is ZERODec 20 01:06
schestowitzwhich is unlikely to happen Dec 20 01:06
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, they pretty much opened things back up in Illinois.Dec 20 01:06
schestowitzeven if we have 1) EFFECTIVE vaccines and 2) most people ACCEPTED theseDec 20 01:06
schestowitzso it's here to stay basicallyDec 20 01:06
DaemonFC[m]YOu can go to the mall if you want to right now.Dec 20 01:06
schestowitzwe can only limit the damage a bitDec 20 01:06
DaemonFC[m]That would be the mall that isn't paying their mortgage.Dec 20 01:06
schestowitzsome shops already shut down hereDec 20 01:07
DaemonFC[m]With the tenants that demand rent reductions because the anchor stores are going bankrupt and traffic is down 50%.Dec 20 01:07
schestowitzthey lost hope of turnaroundDec 20 01:07
schestowitzand the "vaccine" hopes are also debunked by resultsDec 20 01:07
schestowitzwe see no concrete improvements where they administer thisDec 20 01:07
DaemonFC[m]The only way the mall tenants survive is with lower rents that offset some of the sales drop.Dec 20 01:07
schestowitzthen they come up with excuses about having to "wait" (how long for?)Dec 20 01:07
DaemonFC[m]Then the mall company doesn't pay the mortgage because they're buying JC Penney even though it's a zombie company that hasn't turned a profit in years, because without it, their tenants get automatic rent reductions.Dec 20 01:08
schestowitzwhen the malls' owners aren't paid (like movie theatres), banks will sufferDec 20 01:08
schestowitzThe FakeEconomy(TM) will  pretend all is wellDec 20 01:08
schestowitznever been better!Dec 20 01:08
schestowitzWall Street IS "the economy"Dec 20 01:09
schestowitz[17:14] <tr_guest|24610> 2. Microsoft has been paying contractors the whole time: 20 01:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft commits more than $110M in additional support for nonprofits, workers and schools in Washington state - Microsoft On the IssuesDec 20 01:09
DaemonFC[m]JC Penney went through the bankruptcy so that it could get rid of its particularly toxic debts and be more attractive for a takeover.Dec 20 01:09
schestowitztalk about Microsoft straw manDec 20 01:09
schestowitzlinking to their lobbying blogDec 20 01:09
schestowitzso you know it was a well-prepared Microsoft spinnerDec 20 01:09
schestowitzcopy-pasting spin, not even debunking what we saidDec 20 01:09
schestowitzDebenhams here may be shutting downDec 20 01:10
schestowitzsimilar to  JC Penney Dec 20 01:10
DaemonFC[m]The bankruptcy law makes sense in that if they couldn't then they'd liquidate and it would be a total loss.Dec 20 01:10
schestowitzmaybe we don't have much time left (decade) before shops where you see and touch what you buy become extinctDec 20 01:10
DaemonFC[m]But it makes no sense because after the mall's lender gets tired of this and forecloses, there won't be a JCP anyway.Dec 20 01:10
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: iBotta is selling restaurant gift cars with double the normal rebates.Dec 20 01:11
schestowitzIn get 10-20 spam mails per day from ChnaDec 20 01:11
schestowitzfactory owners in ChinaDec 20 01:11
schestowitzthey're desperate alsoDec 20 01:11
DaemonFC[m]And that's great except you can't go in and eat, so you could be left holding a card that's worthless after they file bankruptcy.Dec 20 01:11
schestowitzI suppose their info. lockdown in China prevents us knowing how bad things really are over thereDec 20 01:11
schestowitzmany obsolete workers and machineryDec 20 01:12
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: those cards always carry with them a riskDec 20 01:12
schestowitzlike banknotes that are associated with a lunatic economyDec 20 01:12
schestowitzor notes that can be just canceled like in IndiaDec 20 01:13
schestowitzMODIDec 20 01:13
schestowitzHomes as assets might be OK until there's war where you liveDec 20 01:13
schestowitzand you cannot take the home elsewhereDec 20 01:13
schestowitzso the value dives and you're left with worthless junk. I have a friend with family in Iran that's affected by it. They owned homes and now it's worthlessDec 20 01:14
schestowitzalso a relative who did student accomodationDec 20 01:14
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, China throwing out American journalists for no particular reason and then claiming COVID was all under control and people in Wuhan throw maskless gatherings now.Dec 20 01:14
schestowitzbefore COVID made those unoccupiedDec 20 01:14
schestowitzso real estate is also NOT risk-freeDec 20 01:14
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: How stupid do they think we are?Dec 20 01:15
schestowitzHomes cannot moveDec 20 01:15
schestowitzunless they're portable homes, like SUVsDec 20 01:15
schestowitzand even those are expensive to transport farDec 20 01:15
schestowitzMark Shuttleworth had to pay big tax on wealth transfer to his tax havenDec 20 01:16
DaemonFC[m] 20 01:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Heated Oval Office meeting included talk of special counsel, martial law as Trump advisers clash - CNNPoliticsDec 20 01:16
DaemonFC[m]"Marshall Law" -TrumpDec 20 01:16
schestowitzsome just set up a fake charity, as he did, eventually...Dec 20 01:16
schestowitzall the rich people become 'charities'Dec 20 01:16
schestowitzfor tax reasonsDec 20 01:16
schestowitznot just PRDec 20 01:16
schestowitztax evasion (crime) painted as "philanthropy"... it's a Thing(TM) nowDec 20 01:17
schestowitz"Marshall Law" after a crisis of one's own makingDec 20 01:17
schestowitzmaybe next thing you know he'll pay alt-reich to torch the white houseDec 20 01:18
DaemonFC[m] 20 01:19
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DaemonFC[m]Disney+ is raising the price.Dec 20 01:30
DaemonFC[m]That's what all of these streaming companies do.Dec 20 01:30
DaemonFC[m]They get you hooked and then start raising the price like crazy.Dec 20 01:30
DaemonFC[m]Netflix costs double what it used to.Dec 20 01:30
schestowitzbecause it was losingDec 20 01:33
schestowitzfirst they get you hookedDec 20 01:33
schestowitzand hope to drive competition out of businessDec 20 01:34
schestowitzit looked like Uber could pull this off.... until COVIDDec 20 01:34
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DaemonFC[m]Yeah, the Uber rates to go across town like 10 miles are like $35 now.Dec 20 01:36
DaemonFC[m]It's collapsing because few are willing to pay that.Dec 20 01:36
schestowitz> It's been a while since we've chatted, but I think of you and read your work Dec 20 01:37
schestowitz> often.  There's great cheer in it.Dec 20 01:37
schestowitz> Dec 20 01:37
schestowitz> Donald Trump and republican morons have made life more difficult here than I Dec 20 01:38
schestowitz> imagined anyone could and then Covid19 happened.  Me and my family are Dec 20 01:38
schestowitz> managing better than most because xxxxxxxxxxx is really an essential Dec 20 01:38
schestowitz> service and it's unlikely my clinic will close.  We have been careful and Dec 20 01:38
schestowitz> tried to and avoid putting other people at risk, but other people around me Dec 20 01:38
schestowitz> have been dangerously mislead and everyone can see the results.  At least one Dec 20 01:38
schestowitz> of my clinic's patients, a person who was otherwise curable, has died of Dec 20 01:38
schestowitz> Covid19.  An overflow Covid19 ward has been put across the hall from my Dec 20 01:38
schestowitz> clinic several times and is now filling up again. Dec 20 01:38
DaemonFC[m]COVID has completely overwhelmed my grandmother's nursing home.Dec 20 01:39
DaemonFC[m] 20 01:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | What Is Lenovo Vantage? A Must-Read For Lenovo Device UsersDec 20 01:40
DaemonFC[m]Wow, what a puff piece.Dec 20 01:40
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Seems like half of Lenovo Advantage is about twisting your arm into accepting bloatware and questionable "performance tuning" software, and the other half is about putting shortcuts to control panel applets that are in Windows anyway and checking Lenovo's site for outdated drivers when the Intel driver assistant does a far better job.Dec 20 01:41
DaemonFC[m]If that wasn't bad enough, it installs a system service that spawns a bunch of instances for god only knows what purpose.Dec 20 01:42
schestowitz'Advantage'Dec 20 01:42
schestowitzwhose?Dec 20 01:42
schestowitzsilverfish was it?Dec 20 01:42
DaemonFC[m]And the only part of the package you need is a much smaller app called LenovoUtility which activates the spacial key combos. Dec 20 01:43
schestowitzsuperish 20 01:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Lenovo Superfish scandal: Why it’s one of the worst consumer computing screw-ups ever.Dec 20 01:43
DaemonFC[m]superfishDec 20 01:43
schestowitz 20 01:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Lenovo's Superfish bloatware scandal reveals a sneaky tactic we thought Microsoft had started | PCWorldDec 20 01:43
schestowitz 20 01:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How to find out if your Lenovo is infected with the Superfish adware and remove it - CNETDec 20 01:43
DaemonFC[m]After a few seconds of Lenovo Vantage (correct spelling) I decided I wanted nothing to do with it and uninstalled it and the system service.Dec 20 01:44
DaemonFC[m]It's basically scareware.Dec 20 01:44
DaemonFC[m]Oh no your computer will blow up if you don't buy McAfee Antivirus!Dec 20 01:44
schestowitzAriadne: I'm making full backup of wordpress uploads now. Next the databases, offsite backups just in case of migration woes later on.Dec 20 01:44
Ariadnewe'll finish that up mondayDec 20 01:45
DaemonFC[m]People were honestly surprised that AVG/Avast were spyware themselves.Dec 20 01:45
schestowitzAriadne: thanksDec 20 01:45
DaemonFC[m]You don't think they write paychecks to people to hand you freeware that's not doing something to make money....Dec 20 01:45 will be back too, seems he's just having issues with some particular instanceDec 20 01:45
schestowitz[12:26] <href> it ended up failing again (not due to the db but to the one), I managed to split them, re-importingDec 20 01:45
DaemonFC[m]"In July 2020, Microsoft Windows Defender began flagging the free version of CCleaner as a "potentially unwanted application", stating that "while the bundled applications themselves are legitimate, bundling of software, especially products from other providers, can result in unexpected software activity that can negatively impact user experiences."[34]"Dec 20 01:47
*DaemonFC[m] gigglesDec 20 01:47
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, because one of the bundled products was Avast antivirus, which shuts off Windows Defender.Dec 20 01:47
DaemonFC[m]Windows shuts down Defender if any other antivirus product registers itself on the system.Dec 20 01:49
DaemonFC[m]So by doing a drive by download of Avast, it was telling Windows it was taking over, and then once it was the antivirus program, it was collecting your browsing data and other stuff and selling it to advertising companies.Dec 20 01:50
schestowitzI've just donated to my diaspora instanceDec 20 01:51
schestowitzalmost forgot to this year....Dec 20 01:51
MinceRwhat does that have to do with CCleaner?Dec 20 01:51
schestowitzI want to make sure they stay online for ages to comeDec 20 01:51
schestowitzI get lots of comments there, maybe 50,000+ in totalDec 20 01:51
DaemonFC[m]CCleaner is owned by AvastDec 20 01:51
DaemonFC[m]So they put out freeware in order to trick you into downloading their other products without your consent.Dec 20 01:52
DaemonFC[m]CCleaner is also spyware.Dec 20 01:52
DaemonFC[m]Piriform used to just make small freeware programs that were useful to deal with Windows messes.Dec 20 01:53
DaemonFC[m]I used CCleaner and Defraggler because they were portable apps and it could quickly blow away a bunch of junk when I was going over someone's computer trying to figure out what was wrong with it.Dec 20 01:54
DaemonFC[m]Windows makes a mess everywhere, including leaving gigantic backup files from the last version if you do an upgrade install.Dec 20 01:54
schestowitzseems like techrights is serving almost 3mb/sec on average in recent daysDec 20 01:54
schestowitzbut the videos are to blameDec 20 01:54
schestowitz 20 01:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Mariuz's Blog: Firebird Rust driver statusDec 20 01:54
schestowitzrust= githubDec 20 01:55
DaemonFC[m]In theory, you can revert to an older version of Windows, but in fact, it almost never works out and sometimes makes the computer unbootable.Dec 20 01:55
schestowitzXRevan86 says firebird is alsoDec 20 01:55
DaemonFC[m]So it's not worth the disk space for the backup files.Dec 20 01:55
schestowitzthey sort of hide thatDec 20 01:55
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: Windows is legacy systemDec 20 01:55
schestowitzlike PalmOSDec 20 01:55
schestowitzgive it another 10 yearsDec 20 01:55
schestowitznow they have Vista10xDec 20 01:55
schestowitzthey don't even call it 11Dec 20 01:56
XRevan86schestowitz: What I say? Firebird is also…?Dec 20 01:56
schestowitzseems like they recognise it's the end of the franchiseDec 20 01:56
schestowitzXRevan86: githubDec 20 01:56
schestowitzor maybe figosdev told me thatDec 20 01:56
schestowitzI think it was you thoughDec 20 01:56
schestowitzwhen I said it was likely NOT in GHDec 20 01:56
XRevan86Ah, it's on GitHub, yes.Dec 20 01:56
XRevan86So are MariaDB and Oracle MySQLDec 20 01:57
XRevan86PostgreSQL is actually not.Dec 20 01:57
XRevan86Oracle MySQL is only partially on GitHub though, they're clearly developing it using their own Oracle internal processes.Dec 20 01:58
XRevan86And MariaDB uses JIRA for bugtracking.Dec 20 01:58
MinceRi don't know which is worse -- shithub or jiraDec 20 01:59
XRevan86At least it's a self-hosted JIRA.Dec 20 01:59
XRevan86Firebird also has bugtracking disabled on GitHub. I don't know what they use in its stead.Dec 20 01:59
XRevan86Got it: JIRADec 20 02:00
schestowitzthe thing is thisDec 20 02:09
schestowitzsome clients of ours use JIRADec 20 02:09
schestowitzbloated and crapDec 20 02:09
schestowitzI once installed JIRA on an old home server of mineDec 20 02:09
schestowitzbut here's the thingDec 20 02:09
schestowitzgithub is a lto worseDec 20 02:09
schestowitzbecause you cannot self-host an instanceDec 20 02:10
schestowitzin the same way you can with gitlabDec 20 02:10
XRevan86schestowitz: There's GitHub Enterprise that can be self-hosted %)Dec 20 02:10
schestowitzso to bash jira as if it's as bad as github sort of misses the point Dec 20 02:10
schestowitzhosting is how they make money to fund devsDec 20 02:10
schestowitzXRevan86: so for Microsoft "Self-hosted" means PAIDDec 20 02:10
schestowitzand "Slave mode" is "free"Dec 20 02:11
schestowitzalso, self-hosting github would likely NOT mean access to source codeDec 20 02:11
schestowitzso some kind of blackboxDec 20 02:11
XRevan86pretty muchDec 20 02:11
schestowitzso you are not TRULY in controlDec 20 02:11
schestowitzit's missing the pointDec 20 02:11
XRevan86The source code was leaked, but you know, illegal and stuff.Dec 20 02:11
schestowitzlike, Linux did version tracking since the 90sDec 20 02:11
schestowitzgithub won't last 30 yearsDec 20 02:11
schestowitzyet you might still want to use the system in 2050Dec 20 02:12
schestowitzif you have the code you can still make it workDec 20 02:12
schestowitztuxmachines still uses drupal 6, which I patch manuallyDec 20 02:12
schestowitzdirectly on the codeDec 20 02:12
schestowitzif some new php version breaks things, I might find a away to use old versions anyway, for another decadeDec 20 02:13
schestowitzthe "Open Source" people don't talk about things like thisDec 20 02:13
schestowitzI don't think FSF does, eitherDec 20 02:13
schestowitzthey are happy to encourage people to 'upgrade' even when there's no practical reason toDec 20 02:13
XRevan86schestowitz: Have you prepared for PHP 8 already?Dec 20 02:14
schestowitznoDec 20 02:14
schestowitzwhat does it break this time?Dec 20 02:15
XRevan86misc.Dec 20 02:15
XRevan86 20 02:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | PHP: Backward Incompatible Changes - ManualDec 20 02:16
schestowitzcan worry about that laterDec 20 02:16
schestowitzwhat older versions of wordpress won't work with it?Dec 20 02:17
schestowitzamong the lts releases?Dec 20 02:17
XRevan86The changes are actually fairly minor, so updatable releases will probably get patched up.Dec 20 02:17
XRevan86But it's up to WordPress, I don't know their process.Dec 20 02:18
XRevan86 apparently there are complications for WordPressDec 20 02:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | WordPress and PHP 8.0 – Make WordPress CoreDec 20 02:19
schestowitzthat talks about coreDec 20 02:21
schestowitznot even many plugins that are widely usedDec 20 02:21
schestowitzand some are no longer being maintainedDec 20 02:21
schestowitzthere are usually people who keep security patches for old php versionsDec 20 02:21
schestowitzas long as those are widely used and there's a demand for security-wise support for themDec 20 02:22
schestowitzthat's certainly true for drupal6Dec 20 02:22
schestowitzsome people even make business extending the life of such bitsDec 20 02:22
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schestowitzI'm backing up to my PC the wordpress database of TR at the momentDec 20 02:23
schestowitzit's about 6gb in sizeDec 20 02:24
schestowitz30,000 posts allmostDec 20 02:24
schestowitz*almostDec 20 02:24
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DaemonFC[m]Windows 10 is barely a coat of paintDec 20 02:35
DaemonFC[m]They have all of this appx/Windows Store crap that's kind of salvaged from the Windows 8 disaster and the phone platform that never took off.Dec 20 02:36
schestowitzI need to sort out my gnome3 machineDec 20 02:41
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schestowitzit keeps having issues Dec 20 02:41
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schestowitzwith mutter I thinkDec 20 02:41
schestowitzmaybe attempting dist-upgrade is worthwhileDec 20 02:43
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DaemonFC[m]Mutter was having all sorts of performance problems.Dec 20 03:12
DaemonFC[m]And it's Red Hat as upstream again.Dec 20 03:12
MinceRthere's a shockerDec 20 03:13
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz The push now is to just never release X11 again apart from Xwayland.Dec 20 03:13
DaemonFC[m]They want to look off everything that Xwayland doesn't need and just press forward releasing that.Dec 20 03:14
DaemonFC[m]We're, lop off rather.Dec 20 03:14
DaemonFC[m]Ughhh, phone.Dec 20 03:14
MinceRso the third phase of EEE is ongoing against XDec 20 03:14
schestowitzit's too stableDec 20 03:15
schestowitzthey can't sell support for thatDec 20 03:15
schestowitzsystemd-waylandd is betterDec 20 03:16
schestowitzbecause "ux"Dec 20 03:16
schestowitzwho needs x forwarding (ssh -X) anyway?Dec 20 03:16
schestowitzjust run your flatpak "APPS"Dec 20 03:16
schestowitzlike Microsoft SQL ServerDec 20 03:16
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, Wayland and Mutter are a bigger disaster than the Windows Desktop Window Manager.Dec 20 03:17
DaemonFC[m]And that's saying something.Dec 20 03:17
schestowitzRed Hat fights the Evil Empire ("Evil Empire"= "community of users" aka "neckbeards")Dec 20 03:17
DaemonFC[m]Red Hat wants hard pressure to use something with weird bugs that only they can figure out.Dec 20 03:18
schestowitzI am looking at gnome-shell extensionsDec 20 03:24
schestowitze.g. to remove those massive title barsDec 20 03:24
schestowitzit's not easy to accomplishDec 20 03:24
*DaemonFC[m] uploaded an image: Screenshot 2020-12-19 212603.png (187KiB) < 2020-12-19 212603.png >Dec 20 03:28
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft Feedback Hub. MAGA!Dec 20 03:28
MinceRMUGUDec 20 03:31
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: I can tell you're a power user, but you still haven't fixed the date format.Dec 20 03:31
XRevan86They made it more complicated in Windows 10, the new Settings don't give the proper format as an option for all locales.Dec 20 03:32
XRevan86But being authorised with a Microsoft account in Windows blows mind. Not how I imagined DaemonFC's desktop even with the hints that he's using Windows 10.Dec 20 03:34
XRevan86And Firefox. I thought Brave for sure.Dec 20 03:34
DaemonFC[m]The MAGA Cult has turned the Feedback Hub into Parler.Dec 20 03:41
DaemonFC[m]Who knew?Dec 20 03:41
DaemonFC[m]XRevan86is making notes for Putin's cyberattack later.Dec 20 03:42
DaemonFC[m]What blows my mind is there's still people out there recommending uTorrent.Dec 20 03:45
DaemonFC[m]Even with what they know it's become.Dec 20 03:45
DaemonFC[m]I always change the date format to this one in Linux.Dec 20 03:48
DaemonFC[m]"What the hell kind of driving in the left lane bullshit is this?"Dec 20 03:48
DaemonFC[m]The reaction to those Windows 10 S devices was a big disaster for Microsoft.Dec 20 03:53
DaemonFC[m]Even with the restrictions, it's not like those make it some fast and light version of Windows or something. Everything is still there, you just can't install applications that use Win32 API from outside the store, but "Desktop Bridge" apps use it and so it's still there.Dec 20 03:54
DaemonFC[m]There's absolutely no upside to getting Desktop Bridge apps vs the classic apps, except that the store will push updates to it.Dec 20 03:54
DaemonFC[m]The Desktop Bridge version of VLC can't even play DVDs or Blu Ray discs.Dec 20 03:54
DaemonFC[m] 20 03:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Get BitTorrent - Torrent Downloader - Microsoft StoreDec 20 03:57
DaemonFC[m]Posts screenshots of the app pirating thingsDec 20 03:57
DaemonFC[m]SNEAK 100Dec 20 03:57
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: That guy who runs ToastyTech says he's about ready to give up and try some Linux distributions.Dec 20 04:10
DaemonFC[m]On his rants page.Dec 20 04:10
DaemonFC[m]The things he was going through to keep Windows 95 around forever was kind of making me wonder about him.Dec 20 04:10
DaemonFC[m]Someone repacked Cyberpunk 2077, which is so broken that all the stores are making an exception to their return policy because everyone says they got cheated.Dec 20 04:13
DaemonFC[m]Nothing but bugs. Runs like shit. Etc.Dec 20 04:13
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DaemonFC[m]Then there's someone repacking Red Dead Redemption 2 for Linux with a bundled copy of a blinged out Wine.Dec 20 04:14
DaemonFC[m]Fallout 4 with all the DLCs.Dec 20 04:21
DaemonFC[m]Oh yeah, the PS4 version I played was just the base game.Dec 20 04:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Cyberpunk 2077: Sony pulls game from PlayStation Store - CNNDec 20 06:12
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scienteswhat is wrong with firefox?Dec 20 06:23
CrystalMathscientes: the stupid trademark thingDec 20 06:25
CrystalMathit infringes on freedom #3Dec 20 06:25
scientesjust remove the trademarkDec 20 06:25
scientesit is easyDec 20 06:25
scientestrademark really has nothing to do with your freedomsDec 20 06:25
CrystalMathokay but then don't praise firefox :PDec 20 06:26
scientestrademarks are all about false advertisingDec 20 06:26
CrystalMathpraise icecatDec 20 06:26
CrystalMathor whateverDec 20 06:26
scientesno it still is firefoxDec 20 06:26
CrystalMathjust don't mention that horrible thingDec 20 06:26
CrystalMathevery fork of firefox is good, but firefox sucks :PDec 20 06:26
scientesMozilla's concern is not theoreticalDec 20 06:26
scientesexactlyDec 20 06:26
scientesFirefox has a long history of ad-ware that attaches itsself to itDec 20 06:26
scientesso their concerns are justifiedDec 20 06:26
scientesas AFAIK brave does the same bullshitDec 20 06:27
scientes(I have never used it)Dec 20 06:27
CrystalMathGnuzilla IceCat is still better :PDec 20 06:31
DaemonFC[m]The streaming platforms have gotten so bad that Cyperpunk 2077 has to have a Disable Copyrighted Music feature to keep Youtube channels from being demonetized.Dec 20 06:55
CrystalMathyepDec 20 07:02
CrystalMathbut maybe games should use music composed for the game specificallyDec 20 07:02
CrystalMathafter all, it's supposed to be art, not more pop cultureDec 20 07:02
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: 20 07:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Twitter is publicly declaring Joe Biden the winner of the US election — on Trump’s own tweets - The VergeDec 20 07:05
schestowitzPoor CarlDec 20 07:05
search_socialthis is why i advise you to consider why twitter considers itself allied so strongly against trumpDec 20 07:33
schestowitzBiden Dec 20 07:37
schestowitzsucking up to next Pres/Dec 20 07:37
schestowitzThey sucked up to Trump when he was in OfficeDec 20 07:37
search_socialgood ideaDec 20 07:40
DaemonFC[m] 20 07:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 1646819 - Investigate whether the Windows 10 2004 SegmentHeap feature is useful to FirefoxDec 20 07:52
DaemonFC[m]Apparently this is a thing. I noticed that Edge uses much less memory than Firefox.Dec 20 07:52
DaemonFC[m]Started investigating why. It seems that Firefox's memory allocator isn't taking advantage of SegmentHeap in Windows 10. It was added in 20H1 and so far it looks like Edge is the only browser using it. It got memory consumption down by 27% on average according to Microsoft, more according to a ZDNet article.Dec 20 07:53
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vZS1stable = "abandonware"Dec 20 08:19
vZS1According to the propagandaDec 20 08:19
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schestowitzvery abandonware genius!Dec 20 08:27
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: they used the same tactics to make Office look 'light' and 'fast'Dec 20 08:28
schestowitzesp. to startDec 20 08:28
schestowitzthey cheatDec 20 08:28
schestowitzthey basically outsource the RAM usage elsewhereDec 20 08:28
schestowitzto fool benchmarkDec 20 08:28
schestowitzand you pay for Office startup with CPU cycles when you boot the PCDec 20 08:29
schestowitzBut Microsoft is full of frauds, so you come to expect those thingsDec 20 08:29
schestowitzthe "third party" companies should abandon Windows and/or sue MicrosoftDec 20 08:29
schestowitzit's technical sabotage for monopoly reasonsDec 20 08:29
scientesoh godDec 20 08:32
scientesyou remember me of when I ran windows ages ago, and every company included a "hot load" applet so that they program would appear to be light, by ALWAYS using your ramDec 20 08:33
scientesand they just didn't give a damn either, like the lightweight pdf reader uses like 5mb of ram, but adobe uses like 5gbDec 20 08:34
vZS1I'm happiest about my code which I haven't touched for years. It means I got it right. But this is the opposite of what a business like red hat desires; their business model won't work because they rely on things breaking all the time. Dec 20 08:35
vZS1And red hat relies on monopoly to remain in businessDec 20 08:36
scientesoh geezeDec 20 08:36
schestowitznow more people will move to debian baseDec 20 08:36
scientesunder ever rock lurks a politicianDec 20 08:36
schestowitzfor servers and desktopsDec 20 08:36
scientesRed Hat does great thingsDec 20 08:36
scientesthey are the only people developing GNOMEDec 20 08:36
schestowitzthey abanodoned kdeDec 20 08:37
scientesGNOME is betterDec 20 08:37
schestowitzthey used the IBM news to bury the news under a busDec 20 08:37
scientesmainly because of Red HatDec 20 08:37
schestowitzI liked the old GNOME betterDec 20 08:37
schestowitzthey model it after the wrong thingDec 20 08:37
schestowitzfor users that don't seem to existDec 20 08:37
scientesnah, it is the only DE to use the hot corners rightDec 20 08:37
scientesand it also works on mobileDec 20 08:38
vZS1I like KDE because of it's focus on ease of useDec 20 08:38
scientesit is the first interface to have a chance on mobileDec 20 08:38
scientesphoshDec 20 08:38
schestowitzlast night I attempted to customise my gnome3 PCDec 20 08:38
schestowitzit's really NOT easy Dec 20 08:38
vZS1I don't use it myself but it's goodDec 20 08:38
scientesbut nobody has time for customizationDec 20 08:38
schestowitzthey made it harder to do things that used to be easy and built in with old gnomeDec 20 08:38
scientes 20 08:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Phosh - postmarketOSDec 20 08:38
schestowitzhence we have mate and cinnamonDec 20 08:38
scientesbut both of those stuckDec 20 08:38
scientes*suckDec 20 08:38
schestowitzthey have many usersDec 20 08:39
scientesI can't say I agree with all the choices, but GNOME is the only interace that doesn't waste your timeDec 20 08:39
schestowitzso users don't agreeDec 20 08:39
scientesbut those are ricersDec 20 08:39
schestowitzthose are real peopleDec 20 08:39
schestowitznot ricersDec 20 08:39
schestowitzgentoo users are ricersDec 20 08:39
scientesmy main complaint is that it requires OpenGLDec 20 08:39
schestowitzmate is easy to useDec 20 08:39
scientesbut otherwise I find it is the only interface that doesn't waste my timeDec 20 08:40
scientesI *like* that they reduce the available featuresDec 20 08:40
kingoffrance"nobody has time" "doesnt waste my time" "but those are ricers" none of these are technical arguments (i know he has me on ignore) these are all ad hominemsDec 20 08:40
kingoffranceor, being charitable, works for my use caseDec 20 08:42
schestowitzI used gnome for the first time in 2000Dec 20 08:42
schestowitzit had some decent features by thenDec 20 08:42
schestowitznow it cannot do some of the things it did back thenDec 20 08:43
schestowitzyou can maybe add those manually, but it requites technical skillsDec 20 08:43
schestowitzso by trying to make things "easier" for the mythical "dumb" users they leave some users having to hunt gunzipped/tarred files, then plug things togetherDec 20 08:44
schestowitzwhich might even end up breaking the while shebangDec 20 08:44
schestowitzand carries security risks (downloads of files from the Web)Dec 20 08:44
schestowitzat least KDE doesn't have this 'shell extensions' thing... closest thing to it is widgets/plasmoidsDec 20 08:44
vZS1What's a "ricer"?Dec 20 08:47
schestowitzlook that up, it's slangDec 20 08:47
search_sociali3-wm :)Dec 20 08:47
schestowitzarch users can called thatDec 20 08:47
schestowitzprior to that gentooDec 20 08:47
schestowitzI don't suppose many people still use gentooDec 20 08:47
vZS1Gentoo is not supposed to be a user-friendly system. That's not the goal.Dec 20 08:49
vZS1It's meant for performance benefits by fine-tuningDec 20 08:49
vZS1So criticising Gentoo for being hard to use kind of misses the pointDec 20 08:50
schestowitzit's also meant to be highly customisableDec 20 08:51
schestowitzperformance is one thingDec 20 08:51
schestowitzchanging behaviour, then compiling again is antoherDec 20 08:52
schestowitzfor your favourite little patches and scratchesDec 20 08:52
schestowitzgentoo is a large system you control down to code levelDec 20 08:52
schestowitzbefore or after compiling it for your useDec 20 08:52
schestowitzyou don't even need to be a coderDec 20 08:52
schestowitzyou can just slip in some patches you found somewhere, e.g. to force compatibility with some old piece of software of yoursDec 20 08:53
schestowitzsuppressed fact: chromeos is based on gentooDec 20 08:53
schestowitzpersonal story: last year I wanted to change KDE behaviour and could only do that by changing codeDec 20 08:54
schestowitzI wanted to stop the mouse pointer vanishing while I type, e.g. in kateDec 20 08:54
schestowitzthe only way to achieve that was to remove some lines in code of kateDec 20 08:54
schestowitzin debian you'd struggle to rebuild things just to make code rather than settings work for youDec 20 08:54
kingoffranceinteresting, i shouldnt talk about desktops since i rarely use them, but there is separate unclutter util for x to vanish pointerDec 20 08:56
kingoffrancei guess, IMO in the long run customizing can be worth more time if it saves you hassle laterDec 20 08:56
kingoffrance"how long it takes to set up" is not the whole "time" storyDec 20 08:57
vZS1I don't use DEs either. I've been using awesome wm for a good while nowDec 20 08:57
kingoffrance"how many annoying things it prevents later" is also a factorDec 20 08:57
kingoffrance"how long it takes to set up"  is like saying i got a loan in 5 minutesDec 20 08:57
vZS1ricing seems to be about cosmeticsDec 20 08:58
kingoffrance^Dec 20 08:58
vZS1None of my systems have anything to do with cosmeticsDec 20 08:58
vZS1I don't even change the tmux cosmeticsDec 20 08:58
vZS1But I've got loads of tables for itDec 20 08:59
scientes<vZS1> Gentoo is not supposed to be a user-friendly system. That's not the goal.Dec 20 08:59
scientes<vZS1> It's meant for performance benefits by fine-tuningDec 20 08:59
scientes<vZS1> So criticising Gentoo for being hard to use kind of misses the pointDec 20 08:59
scientesanother ricerDec 20 08:59
scientesyou don't know anything about CPU performanceDec 20 08:59
scientesI end up closing lots of bugs from gentoo usersDec 20 08:59
vZS1I only change graphical things when they serve a fictional purposeDec 20 08:59
scientesbecause they are generally low quality reportsDec 20 09:00
vZS1functional*Dec 20 09:00
*scientes liked fictional better :)Dec 20 09:00
kingoffranceperformance is not just cpu performanceDec 20 09:01
kingoffrancesome ppl just dont like gobs of dependencies they dont useDec 20 09:01
kingoffrancecomplicationDec 20 09:01
kingoffrancemore things that can breakDec 20 09:01
vZS1Unnecessary complexityDec 20 09:01
kingoffrance^Dec 20 09:01
kingoffrancetheres reasons to compie that have nothing to do with performanceDec 20 09:02
kingoffrance*compileDec 20 09:02
kingoffranceeither to enable or disable non-default (from package or upstream) featuresDec 20 09:02
vZS1Like the KDE pointer thing Roy mentionedDec 20 09:03
kingoffranceyup lolDec 20 09:03
kingoffranceas long as theres c and c++ and things arent interpret-ish this will remainDec 20 09:04
kingoffrancei guess i should stop commenting on scientes but man we are so far apart lolDec 20 09:05
vZS1PlentyDec 20 09:06
vZS1GoDec 20 09:06
IanJYou can consume many hours of your life tweaking how your desktop looks and functions on linux/bsd systems.Dec 20 09:06
vZS1HaskellDec 20 09:06
vZS1RustDec 20 09:07
IanJI used my desktop largely unchanged for a long time but I recentnly took the time to theme the bits I use.Dec 20 09:07
vZS1Most of my tweaks are for tmuxDec 20 09:07
vZS1The goal is to save timeDec 20 09:07
IanJIt took me around 3 days of tweaking to get it to a point I'm fairly happy. A lot of that is down to there not being a common way to change the colors of the different applications.Dec 20 09:08
IanJI colored my tmux bar.Dec 20 09:08
IanJDo you use lynx?Dec 20 09:08
vZS1NopeDec 20 09:08
vZS1I like how easy it is to script tmuxDec 20 09:10
vZS1I can control the buffers right in my login shellDec 20 09:10
IanJtmux is a really neat. I use it a lot but I have never scripted it. I have a bit of script in my bashrc to reconnect to any existing tmux session when I login or start a new one. Most stuff I run in tmux even on my desktop.Dec 20 09:11
vZS1It's portable tooDec 20 09:12
IanJAll good things :)Dec 20 09:12
vZS1I've used it on BSD without modifying any of my repos for itDec 20 09:13
IanJhttps:// 20 09:13
IanJThat's my current setup.Dec 20 09:14
IanJTrying to get color consistency between programs was a pita as even using .Xresources to set the colours they all use them in different ways so you endup having to do a lot of it for each program.Dec 20 09:16
IanJIt's the first time in about 30 years I bothered to do it :DDec 20 09:17
IanJBut now it's done I won't touch it again probably. I have my .files to use on any new setup.Dec 20 09:18
IanJTo me the orange signifies what's active.Dec 20 09:19
vZS1FancyDec 20 09:20
vZS1I've got an austere setup but it worksDec 20 09:20
IanJFunction over form is definitely the right way to go.Dec 20 09:21
IanJTheming is one big rabbit hole :)Dec 20 09:21
IanJThere's a general trend with items we buy and software we use to reduce it's useful life span. Much of the hardware we use, the life span is determined by the battery (largely not end user replaceable these days) or the stopping of support for key applycations.Dec 20 09:31
search_socialboycotting DNS i see, basedDec 20 09:33
IanJChoosing open source software at least you have an option to jump off that consumer conveyor belt. But there's not much in the way of hardware...Dec 20 09:33
IanJboycotting DNS? How do you then resolve names to IP's?Dec 20 09:34
search_sociali mean you linked a raw ipDec 20 09:35
search_socialwith no domain nameDec 20 09:35
IanJI did, I have no name :PDec 20 09:35
IanJThis is my home pc and I don't have any name pointed to it. :DDec 20 09:35
IanJBut it's a novel idea... It's another way organizations know what sites you visit.Dec 20 09:36
schestowitz[09:08] <IanJ> It took me around 3 days of tweaking to get it to a point I'm fairly happy. A lot of that is down to there not being a common way to change the colors of the different applications.Dec 20 09:38
schestowitz3 days for a PC you use for 300 days is not muchDec 20 09:38
schestowitzlet alone 900 daysDec 20 09:38
IanJschestowitz: that's true :)Dec 20 09:38
schestowitzI spent AAAAGGGESS setting up my physical stuff here, moving monitors around and chair etc. for MONTHSDec 20 09:39
IanJSome things are worthy of investment if you're going to get a lot of mileage out of them.Dec 20 09:39
schestowitzmaybe an hour per week for 4 monthsDec 20 09:39
search_socialIanJ: you can use also to share filesDec 20 09:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | NO TITLEDec 20 09:39
schestowitzone hour when you do 100 per week on a PC is a mere 1%Dec 20 09:39
schestowitzergonomics can prevent back aches that can potentially 'paralyse' your workflow and cause painDec 20 09:39
IanJI have an unusual setup here.Dec 20 09:40
IanJI have no desk, an ikea poang chair and my monitor on an arm attached to a bookcase next to me.Dec 20 09:40
schestowitz[09:13] <IanJ> 20 09:40
schestowitznice to meet a gopher-erDec 20 09:40
IanJI use an ibm trackpoint keyboard so it just sits on my lap.Dec 20 09:40
IanJo/Dec 20 09:40
IanJThat's why I asked about lynx, my first link would have been gopher :DDec 20 09:41
schestowitz[09:39] <IanJ> Some things are worthy of investment if you're going to get a lot of mileage out of them.Dec 20 09:41
schestowitzThey have a term for this nowDec 20 09:41
schestowitz"technical debt"Dec 20 09:41
schestowitzyesterday we bought two feet warmers in primarkDec 20 09:42
schestowitz2 for 10 pounds totalDec 20 09:42
schestowitzto avoid the winter 'cold feet'Dec 20 09:42
IanJNice :)Dec 20 09:42
schestowitzyou fill them up with boiling waterDec 20 09:42
schestowitzthey lost like 6 hoursDec 20 09:42
IanJLike a hot waterbottle for your feet. Neat idea.Dec 20 09:42
schestowitzone is covered with panda-like doll thing, the other is faux furDec 20 09:43
IanJhahaDec 20 09:43
schestowitzno, rubber bag with waterDec 20 09:43
schestowitzI forgot what those are calledDec 20 09:43
schestowitzthey're more energy efficient than radiatorsDec 20 09:43
IanJHot water bottle! We used them years ago, before electric blankets were a thing.Dec 20 09:43
schestowitzah, okDec 20 09:43
schestowitzwhen kids, we'd use them when getting the cold or fluDec 20 09:44
schestowitzalong with teaDec 20 09:44
IanJJust have to make sure you buy quality ones, you don't want them leaking in your bed :DDec 20 09:44
schestowitzhave not used them in like 30 yearsDec 20 09:44
IanJThere are many old awesome inventions that people rarely use these days due to techology and electricity powering everything.Dec 20 09:45
schestowitzyes, exactlyDec 20 09:45
IanJSame as basic things like razors.Dec 20 09:45
schestowitzcan't wait for "smart" onesDec 20 09:45
schestowitzthat connect to your wifiDec 20 09:45
IanJI hate all that stuff.Dec 20 09:45
IanJTo me a smart home is devoid of electricity gobling gadgets that spy on you.Dec 20 09:45
schestowitzto send the temperature readings to 20 09:46
schestowitzthen you can log in to a portalDec 20 09:46
schestowitzand "share on facebook" some graphDec 20 09:46
schestowitzshowing people what times of the day you do somethingDec 20 09:46
IanJgopher:// 20 09:47
IanJLolDec 20 09:47
IanJCraziness is spending half your life telling others how great it is and trying to convince them and you that it is great. :DDec 20 09:50
IanJI never had a facebook account and swore I never would.Dec 20 09:50
schestowitzwhat program for kde does gopher well? "Could not find any application or handler for gopher:// "Dec 20 09:50
IanJoh, lynxDec 20 09:50
IanJlynx is commandlineDec 20 09:51
IanJI could copy the article to https if you prefer?Dec 20 09:51
schestowitzno, it's okDec 20 09:52
schestowitzI just checked 4 machines of mineDec 20 09:52
schestowitzto see if they have lynxDec 20 09:52
schestowitzI don't want to install it just for one pageDec 20 09:52
IanJit's useful if you want to visit gopher sites.Dec 20 09:53
schestowitzrarely happensDec 20 09:53
IanJit's also very small.Dec 20 09:53
IanJhttps:// 20 09:54
search_socialhow do you find good gopher sitesDec 20 09:54
IanJYou can use veronica2 search engine, or floodgapDec 20 09:55
IanJLet me find you a gopher proxy.Dec 20 09:55
IanJ 20 09:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Public Gopher Proxy @ Access Gopher Sites from Your BrowserDec 20 09:56
IanJ 20 09:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 200 @ )Dec 20 09:57
IanJThe gw is probably where to start :)Dec 20 09:57
search_socialthanksDec 20 09:58
IanJFrom there you can search using veronica2Dec 20 09:58
IanJIt gives you full access to gopherspace via your normal browser.Dec 20 09:58
IanJThat's one thing that I do find lacking however. A good search engine as it relies on indexing document names only.Dec 20 10:02
IanJBut how do you collect meta data on plain text documents that largerly have no formatting...Dec 20 10:02
IanJI thought about that as a bit of a pet project.Dec 20 10:03
IanJI could call it gobble :PDec 20 10:04
IanJand slowly take over the world *evil laugh*Dec 20 10:05
vZS1I use ipfs to share filesDec 20 10:06
IanJThat's basically what gopher was designed for.Dec 20 10:06
IanJfile system structure on the networkDec 20 10:07
vZS1I like IPFS because it's like BitTorrentDec 20 10:07
IanJThat's coolDec 20 10:08
vZS1P2P is nice for redundancyDec 20 10:08
vZS1One system goes down? No problem.Dec 20 10:08
IanJIf there are multiple peers then yes, it's cool.Dec 20 10:08
IanJDecentralised is definitely the way things need to go, but those who want to control want the opposite.Dec 20 10:09
schestowitzsometimes publishers want control toDec 20 10:09
schestowitz*tooDec 20 10:09
schestowitzeither over their own stuffDec 20 10:09
schestowitzlike deleting ipfs objectsDec 20 10:09
schestowitzor others' copies of it, even if fair useDec 20 10:10
schestowitzit poses a threat to their business models Dec 20 10:10
vZS1Architectures all have a purpose. The right one depends on the use caseDec 20 10:11
vZS1Sometimes you want only one central nodeDec 20 10:11
IanJOnce you put something up on torrent though, if someone copies it then you have no control over that other persons copy, which then gets copied etc.Dec 20 10:12
vZS1That's pretty clear from the outsetDec 20 10:13
IanJMy isp blocks torrent search engines.Dec 20 10:13
vZS1You can use encrypted proxiesDec 20 10:14
vZS1Tor is one exampleDec 20 10:14
vZS1My ISP blocks loads of thingsDec 20 10:15
vZS1But I still get around all of themDec 20 10:15
vZS1Then again, I'm a security person so it's a bit difficult for them. LolDec 20 10:16
vZS1In a way, the bloat of the web is good for internet usersDec 20 10:17
vZS1When you have encrypted traffic they can't just block everythingDec 20 10:17
vZS1Because people consume so much data anywayDec 20 10:18
vZS1There's a ton of noiseDec 20 10:18
vZS1Pile encryption on top of that and you see how difficult it is for them to enforce traffic shapingDec 20 10:18
IanJThe way my isp do it is quite lame, if I change dns provider I see the search engine sites again.Dec 20 10:20
vZS1Their "deep packet inspection" is just more snake oilDec 20 10:20
vZS1Yeah. Most home routers are configured to use the ISPs DNS servers. That's how they filter trafficDec 20 10:22
vZS1ISP's*Dec 20 10:22
vZS1The nice thing about IPFS is you don't need to worry about port forwarding. So even if you have a really brittle router (no automation), you can use stuff like IPNS to still make dynamic systems.Dec 20 10:25
vZS1IPNS is like Tor. You generate an asymmetric encryption key pair and make the public key point to an IPFS object. The pointer is called an IPNS object. Similar to how you'd create an onion service for Tor.Dec 20 10:27
vZS1So you can just update the pointer when you change the underlying objects. That gives you mutability.Dec 20 10:29
vZS1BitTorrent lacks this functionalityDec 20 10:31
vZS1IPFS also uses something called multihash which is a data structure that contains hash metadata. So you can update hash algorithms when they need to changeDec 20 10:32
vZS1Git, BitTorrent, etc are all built with a hard-coded hash algorithm SHA-1Dec 20 10:33
vZS1Now they're realising how painful it is to have assumptions like that built into the core designDec 20 10:33
IanJInteresting, I'll have to take a look. I never heard of it before you mentioned it.Dec 20 10:37
vZS1Yeah. It's pretty neatDec 20 10:37
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scientesXRevan86, the most bizaare part of the Koran is how it constantly references itsself, "We made the Koran easy to remember", or "They keep repeating the opening verses of the Koran" et ceteraDec 20 11:07
scientesor "This book contains ambiguities, which you shouldn't try to interpret"Dec 20 11:08
scientesit makes it a form of mind controlDec 20 11:08
scientescertainly circular logicDec 20 11:09
scientesmore of the same in Tbilisi 20 11:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Tbilisi Mayor poses with Aprika residents after demolishing squatter settlementDec 20 11:12
scienteslike how they got the refugees from Abkhazia to move by turning off the power and waterDec 20 11:12
scientesfrom the very buildings they had told them to live inDec 20 11:13
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scientesand the buses stopped running againDec 20 11:14
scientesI still don't get how they removed everything from the train stationDec 20 11:14
scienteswhile about a year ago Russia made toilets free in train stations with long-distance trainsDec 20 11:15
scienteswhen I saw that it made me cheer up a littleDec 20 11:15
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search_social"This book contains ambiguities, which you shouldn't try to interpret"Dec 20 11:44
search_socialthat narrows it downDec 20 11:45
MinceR:>Dec 20 11:58
MinceR   ( )Dec 20 12:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Attending A Funeral - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2019-11-14 | Dilbert by Scott AdamsDec 20 12:05
scientesMinceR, that is no house catDec 20 12:24
MinceRindeedDec 20 12:24
scientes"it's not my own funeral"Dec 20 12:25
scientesoh god, that is horribleDec 20 12:25
scientesugghDec 20 12:25
scientesi really do not want to install dockerDec 20 12:25
scientesI am tired of endlessly growing complexityDec 20 12:26
scientesevery project has its own insane build systemDec 20 12:26
scientesI am also hoping to switch to Ubuntu to DebianDec 20 12:35
scientesbut that is a PITA to doDec 20 12:35
scientesjust because I am tired of being dragged along on this snap fail-wagonDec 20 12:35
IanJI recently switched to devuan from debian after many years of use.Dec 20 12:38
IanJThe whole systemd thing started to become a moral issue to me so I chose something I could feel happier about whilst still being familiar.Dec 20 12:40
MinceRi have a devuan stratum in most of my bedrock systems :>Dec 20 12:42
IanJI'm running Beowulf hereDec 20 12:42
scientesIanJ, do you consider youself a little-Endian or big-Endian?Dec 20 12:42
scientesspeaking or serious moral issuesDec 20 12:43
IanJI don't feel we know eathother well enough to be talking about my endian :PDec 20 12:43
IanJI guess you could say I'm bi-endian. I have intel+amd (both little-endian) and also more interesting stuff like powerpc (bi-endian) and MIPS hardware (big-endian).Dec 20 13:08
IanJIs that what you were asking?Dec 20 13:08
IanJThe old sgi rarely gets fired up these days though. 10mbit networking feels like using dialup these days...Dec 20 13:10
IanJOh, the MIPS is bi-endian too aparently.Dec 20 13:12
IanJI wonder what microsofts new processor architecture will be.Dec 20 13:16
scientesIanJ, you think Microsoft has the resources to develop a processor architecutreDec 20 13:19
scientesHah!Dec 20 13:19
scientesthey might pretend toDec 20 13:19
scienteslike they pretend to do many thingsDec 20 13:19
IanJQualcommDec 20 13:19
IanJ 20 13:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The SQ1™ Processor in Surface Pro X – Microsoft Surface for BusinessDec 20 13:19
IanJARM 64Dec 20 13:19
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IanJMicrosoft never invent anything. They buy companies or use their services and steal their ideas. Dec 20 13:20
IanJI like the small print disclaimer at the bottom that informs people 64bit appliations that haven't been ported to ARM64 won't install.Dec 20 13:24
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IanJAnyone here had any experience with yubikeys or have an opinion on them?Dec 20 14:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Goggles Remove Humans - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2020-04-01 | Dilbert by Scott AdamsDec 20 14:52
scientesIanJ, 10X the price they should be, and they don't even store keys for you, so they are basically just slavery devices--security for them, and no security for youDec 20 15:03
scientesMinceR, 20 15:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Value Select's Seeing Eye Knife - YouTubeDec 20 15:04
IanJscientes: I agree re the price, it is extortionate. But I saw they were programable to use as a normal password keeper so you can use them for auto login on your pc or for use with a password manager.Dec 20 15:11
scientesIanJ, 20 15:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Somu | Crowd SupplyDec 20 15:12
scientesthat is at least free software (+ hardware!)Dec 20 15:12
MinceRdon't they rely on a third party which could betray you?Dec 20 15:14
scientesMinceR, yeah but that is the very design of those thingsDec 20 15:15
scientesto not empower you at all, because they can't actually store secondary keys for youDec 20 15:15
scientesbasically Google was already doing thisDec 20 15:16
scientesand they thought, Hey! Lets get them to pay for it, fucking idiots!Dec 20 15:16
scientesfor their serfsDec 20 15:16
IanJscientes: nice link, thanksDec 20 15:16
scienteswhich can be evidenced by how they didn't really care if it works with opensshDec 20 15:17
scientesor pamDec 20 15:17
scientesor really anything else besides corporate serfdom shitDec 20 15:17
IanJ 20 15:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Setting up the YubiKey on Ubuntu (Desktop and Server) - YouTubeDec 20 15:17
scientesyeah but its totally half-assed--notice the lack of a proper error message --- and didn't work at all with the first generation of keysDec 20 15:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Setting up the YubiKey on Ubuntu (Desktop and Server) - YouTubeDec 20 15:18
scientesbecause they are not keysDec 20 15:18
scientesthey are slavery devicesDec 20 15:18
scienteswhere only logging into the mainframe was really consideredDec 20 15:19
scientesbecause they come from what these companies were already forcing their <s>employees</s> serfs to doDec 20 15:19
scienteslike fingerpintd actually works pretty wellDec 20 15:20
scientesbut this is all half-assed'Dec 20 15:20
IanJI figure it's a lesser evil than having your phone and sms used for secondary authentication.Dec 20 15:20
scientesIanJ, I thought like you until I actually got oneDec 20 15:20
scientesand then I realized I had been fooledDec 20 15:21
scientesIanJ, no, you don't get itDec 20 15:21
MinceRwhat did you find out?Dec 20 15:21
scientesit is possible for them to prove that you have the deviceDec 20 15:21
scientesbut for the first-generation it is useless for offline authenticationDec 20 15:22
IanJI wouldn't be interested in that. I would want to use it offline  and not have to type in passwords.Dec 20 15:22
scientesbecause those ones don't store secondary keys---they only use a special-sause (FIDO2) authentication methodDec 20 15:22
scientesIanJ, get fingerprint readerDec 20 15:22
scientesnot very secure, but that is really all you get for physical attacksDec 20 15:23
scientesbecause of the cold boot attackDec 20 15:23
IanJIt's very scary and very paranoia inducing if you really start to think about any of it. How your phone is effectively a 'slavery device' as you call it.Dec 20 15:24
MinceRspecial sauce doesn't sound secure to meDec 20 15:24
scientesif you have a google android device that is exactly what it isDec 20 15:25
scientesand that is exactly what they consider itDec 20 15:25
IanJYeah, unfortunately I do :(Dec 20 15:25
scienteswhich is why they have all those COVID-19 appsDec 20 15:25
IanJI'd still be using an old nokia if it weren't for whatsapp dropping support for s60.Dec 20 15:25
scientesMinceR, it is defined (FIDO2) but it is kinda like OpenID---looks slick until you look into itDec 20 15:25
MinceR:>Dec 20 15:26
scientesOpenID still has its usesDec 20 15:26
scientesbut what happened is that everyone stopped taking itDec 20 15:26
IanJEffectively all I want is a little widget that I can program with a password without any third party involvment so I can plug it in and press the button to login or use for secondary auth on my VPS.Dec 20 15:28
IanJPasswords are generally the weak link because people use stuff they can remember and type easily. If you create a way of storing better passwords on a device that has to be present I think that's much better.Dec 20 15:29
IanJor worse you hide secure passwords all in one place behind a weaker password you can remember.Dec 20 15:31
IanJI actually wish I never bought any of my android devices.Dec 20 15:32
IanJOne of them has become unusable because the third party that originally sold them took down a server somewhere and it can't call home anymore so I can't go though the setup process.Dec 20 15:34
IanJOne just randomly stopped working after the warranty was up.Dec 20 15:34
IanJMy tablet I still use for general surfing but it's actually killing my eyes to use these days and I'm resenting google a lot these days so I find myself using it less and less.Dec 20 15:35
IanJThen there's my moto phone which I got effectively so I could just continue to use whatsapp.Dec 20 15:35
IanJI think a usable linux phone is still some way off unfortunaely.Dec 20 15:37
scientesI got the pinephone right hereDec 20 15:44
scientesand also, android runs linuxDec 20 15:44
scientesthat is a factDec 20 15:44
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DaemonFC[m]I figured that Microsoft was either sweeping Edge's real memory use under the carpet or using some undocumented API in Windows.Dec 20 15:58
DaemonFC[m]But it turns out that Windows was just really bad at managing heap allocation until the May release of Windows 10. And if you are using an older program it may just still be using that older allocation method that wastes a bunch of RAM.Dec 20 15:59
DaemonFC[m]Firefox and Chrome just aren't using the new allocation method and Edge does, so it's quite often using a third to a half less RAM than other browsers on Windows.Dec 20 16:00
DaemonFC[m]It's kind of embarrassing that Google and Mozilla aren't moving on this as an opportunity to shrink their browser footprint.Dec 20 16:01
DaemonFC[m]Google put it in and then backed it out because it made Chrome slightly slower on benchmarks.Dec 20 16:01
MinceRit's windows, so nobody caresDec 20 16:02
XRevan86MinceR: DaemonFC cares.Dec 20 16:02
DaemonFC[m]It's all about benchmark numbers apparently and we won't worry that it's using another 600 MB of RAM when the user opens the task manager.Dec 20 16:02
MinceRXRevan86: if he cared, he wouldn't be using windowsDec 20 16:02
DaemonFC[m]Well, you know, Mozilla should care.Dec 20 16:02
DaemonFC[m]But it doesn't seem like they do care. Firefox is trying to sell me a VPN now.Dec 20 16:03
DaemonFC[m]It seems to be a piece of adware that can also browse the web.Dec 20 16:03
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: I have no doubts this will be upstreamed to Chromium.Dec 20 16:05
XRevan86 here's a related bmoDec 20 16:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 1646819 - Investigate whether the Windows 10 2004 SegmentHeap feature is useful to FirefoxDec 20 16:06
*XRevan86 read the last comment.Dec 20 16:07
XRevan86O.K., now I have doubts about it being upstreamed to Chromium.Dec 20 16:07
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: You're so quick to judge, but turns out things aren't so simple.Dec 20 16:09
MinceRmozilla stopped caring long agoDec 20 16:10
XRevan86If there's a low hanging fruit that Mozilla can pick that will instantly improve Firefox's performance, they'd sure pick it up/';Dec 20 16:10
DaemonFC[m]It does seem pretty low hanging to me.Dec 20 16:23
DaemonFC[m]But the way Google sees it, it's more often that articles about how fast Chrome runs through benchmarks and a 2 or 3% slowdown on a benchmark that nobody cares about could cost it first place even though the reviewer is unlikely to talk about it using a third more memory than Edge.Dec 20 16:24
DaemonFC[m]So Microsoft chose to get the memory usage under control and Google chose benchmarks that nobody will notice at the cost of degrading the OS and other applications on the computer. Same thing they always do.Dec 20 16:25
DaemonFC[m]It seems to me that the only platform where Google tries to do anything to promote good battery life and overall performance is Chrome OS.Dec 20 16:26
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft has an incentive to try to put Edge on a diet because they're trying to position laptops with 4 GB of RAM as Windows S and competition for Chromebooks.Dec 20 16:27
DaemonFC[m]So Google's position is pretty nakedly all about getting first place on benchmarks even at the expense of the system.Dec 20 16:28
DaemonFC[m]Mozilla isn't using a build bot host for Windows that supports building Firefox like this, yet.Dec 20 16:29
DaemonFC[m]I found a way to get videos to stop autoplaying in Chromium browsers.Dec 20 16:33
DaemonFC[m]NoScript can be set to disable media elements only and it has Youtube on the whitelist.Dec 20 16:33
DaemonFC[m]Kind of sad you have to resort to an extension to do something so simple.Dec 20 16:34
XRevan86> it is important to note that the "100% overhead" which it avoids is only that extreme on high core-count machinesDec 20 16:34
DaemonFC[m]At 8 threads, the overhead in Firefox is already pretty severe.Dec 20 16:35
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Have you noticed concerns that this also harms battery life?Dec 20 16:39
DaemonFC[m]I haven't seen anyone mention that.Dec 20 16:42
DaemonFC[m] 20 16:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | It's not just renters. Landlords are struggling, too - CNNDec 20 16:42
XRevan86 20 16:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 1102281 - chromium - An open-source project to help move the web forward. - MonorailDec 20 16:42
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, so much for the "Plan for disasters and have an emergency fund." advice.Dec 20 16:43
DaemonFC[m]Maybe they should have bought less avocado toast.Dec 20 16:43
DaemonFC[m]"Peter Gray, president of Pyramid Real Estate Group in Stamford, Connecticut, is not only a property owner collecting rent on 30 of his own properties, but also a property manager who handles maintenance and rent collection for other landlords. While only a couple of his own tenants have stopped paying, some of his landlord clients are having trouble paying him."Dec 20 16:43
DaemonFC[m]Sounds like a pyramid scheme.Dec 20 16:43
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: 20 17:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ #corporateMedia : let's moan for the rich Dec 20 17:03
schestowitzyramid Real Estate GroupDec 20 17:04
schestowitzLOL!Dec 20 17:04
schestowitzPyramid Real Estate GroupDec 20 17:04
schestowitzit says right on the tin what they areDec 20 17:04
schestowitzthey're a collection agencyDec 20 17:04
schestowitzbecoming richer out of poor people who cannot buy a homeDec 20 17:04
MinceR:>Dec 20 17:05
schestowitzbut not the poor are so poor that the scheme is collapsingDec 20 17:05
MinceRpyramid scheme?Dec 20 17:05
schestowitzas it ought toDec 20 17:05
schestowitzyes, money upwardsDec 20 17:05
schestowitzmlmDec 20 17:05
schestowitzb2bDec 20 17:05
schestowitzall those euphemismsDec 20 17:05
schestowitzthey're just some parasite middlemanDec 20 17:05
schestowitzparasiticDec 20 17:05
schestowitzbecause money flows to themDec 20 17:05
schestowitzand they don't actually do anythingDec 20 17:05
schestowitzlike hedge fundsDec 20 17:05
schestowitzor vulture 'activist' investorsDec 20 17:06
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I emailed my dad talking about Fox News having to do major retractions of their voting machine conspiracies after surmising that they would lose a lawsuit that was threatened.Dec 20 17:08
DaemonFC[m]I threw in: Maybe when "President Clark" storms "ISN" after discussing "Marshall"[sic] law with his stupid idiots in the White House, they'll go back to fawning over him 24 hours a day.Dec 20 17:09
DaemonFC[m]Who knows?Dec 20 17:09
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: The comparison was to the illegitimate government that was set up on Earth in one of the story arcs on B5.Dec 20 17:10
DaemonFC[m]In one of the episodes, a robber baron told Mr. Garibaldi that corporations had secretly signed off on Clark's takeover because they thought he was a fool that they'd be able to control and profit off of.Dec 20 17:11
DaemonFC[m]I think he mentioned the "Russians" causing problems "again" in 2025 or something.Dec 20 17:14
DaemonFC[m]Of course, the reasons why sci fi timelines seem prophetic sometimes is because honestly when are governments not causing problems?Dec 20 17:15
DaemonFC[m]When are people not putting those in power who don't deserve it and won't do good things when they get it?Dec 20 17:15
DaemonFC[m]Rarely, if ever.Dec 20 17:15
scientesever played this game XRevan86 20 17:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 2048 at DuckDuckGoDec 20 17:18
scientesI really suck at itDec 20 17:18
scientesI've only gotten to like 256Dec 20 17:18
scientesthere has to be some strategy i am missingDec 20 17:19
DaemonFC[m] 20 17:20
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DaemonFC[m]LOLDec 20 17:20
XRevan86scientes: No, not something I fancy.Dec 20 17:22
scientesit looks more interesting that sodokuDec 20 17:22
DaemonFC[m]Then they have a typo in the workaround.Dec 20 17:22
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scientesanyways, i was just playing on my pinephone and it was preinstalledDec 20 17:27
scientesso now i am wasting my timeDec 20 17:28
XRevan86scientes: What OS have you chosen for PinePhone?Dec 20 17:28
scientesmobianDec 20 17:29
XRevan86I'm curious, does postmarketOS support locales?Dec 20 17:30
scienteswhen i saw how horribe the postmarketos build system was I changed my opinion of itDec 20 17:30
scientesit uses like 5 bazillion bind mountsDec 20 17:31
scientesturns out all the projects are using each other's software, in true GNU/Linux styleDec 20 17:31
MinceRdoesn't android use a lot of bind mounts too?Dec 20 17:31
scientesespecially the libram 5 development stuffDec 20 17:31
XRevan86Android is special.Dec 20 17:31
scientesandroid also uses selinux extensivelyDec 20 17:32
scienteswhich makes it hair-pullingly painful Dec 20 17:32
scientesif Lennary Poettering says "SELinux is a great piece of software....except that I don't understand it"Dec 20 17:33
scientesall of these "security" systems are stupid, because Linux is unfixable in how insecure it isDec 20 17:33
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DaemonFC[m]Of course he doesn't understand it. He's too busy fawning over the service manager and audio system of Windows.Dec 20 17:35
DaemonFC[m]qBittorrent is kind of a pig compared with Tixati.Dec 20 17:37
DaemonFC[m]But it has some interesting features.Dec 20 17:37
DaemonFC[m]Including a "privacy mode" which really only makes sense to use on a VPN of course.Dec 20 17:37
DaemonFC[m]But it stops advertising what the client name is and does some other things to counter unique fingerprints advertised to the swarm.Dec 20 17:38
MinceR:>Dec 20 17:39
DaemonFC[m]The US is pretty much governed by IP trolls.Dec 20 17:40
DaemonFC[m]They run Congress, so anything that helps disguise you is nice because you can be damned sure that copyright lawyers are logging anything they can get from your bittorrent client. Dec 20 17:40
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I suppose there's a security win here as well.Dec 20 17:41
DaemonFC[m]If the other peers don't know what client you're using they might not be able to as easily figure out an exploit that would work.Dec 20 17:41
DaemonFC[m]Many people are still using an old version of uTorrent from many years ago. The last build before a bunch of adware got crammed into it.Dec 20 17:42
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: "Trump’s COVID failure, which has caused more than 415,000 excess deaths in America with another 600,000 anticipated by next spring or thereabouts" 20 17:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 508 @ )Dec 20 17:42
schestowitzexcess deathsDec 20 17:42
schestowitzthose are the numbers I was afterDec 20 17:42
MinceRthey could just try all the exploitsDec 20 17:43
DaemonFC[m]True.Dec 20 17:43
DaemonFC[m]Some people actually use the mainline client.Dec 20 17:44
DaemonFC[m]Seems the majority are using some open source one.Dec 20 17:44
DaemonFC[m]Probably either on Linux or trying to avoid the ones packed with malware, all proprietary.Dec 20 17:44
DaemonFC[m] 20 17:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Mitch McConnell seeks to end coronavirus paid sick leave programDec 20 17:53
DaemonFC[m]The Republicans are trying to end the paid sick leave program for workers diagnosed with the Coronavirus, who have to quarantine for at least 10 days.Dec 20 17:53
DaemonFC[m]Meaning you'll just miss out on an entire paycheck.Dec 20 17:54
scientesooo, gnome's web browser looks pretty good on the pinephoneDec 20 17:54
DaemonFC[m]All modern browsers are terrible.Dec 20 17:57
DaemonFC[m]But we're creeping back into that "bloated pig" even by modern standards problem on Firefox.Dec 20 17:57
scientesok i take that backDec 20 17:58
scientesit still has right-click menuDec 20 17:58
MinceR"bloated pig" is given when you try to implement the "modern" web "standards"Dec 20 17:59
scientesalso the pinephone is 4xA53Dec 20 18:03
scienteswhich is an in-order processor, so pretty slowDec 20 18:03
scientesi guess my other phone is 8xA53Dec 20 18:04
MinceR 20 18:04
scientesI bet there are more A53 cores in the world than peopleDec 20 18:05
XRevan86MinceR: He's back and he wants blood!Dec 20 18:05
MinceRindeedDec 20 18:06
MinceRhe vill suck your bluhdDec 20 18:07
scienteswow, firefox is defintely faster rendering howeverDec 20 18:07
MinceR 20 18:19
scientesbrowser.newtabpage.activity-stream.filterAdultDec 20 18:20
scientes 20 18:21
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scientesthe firefox new tab page blacklistDec 20 18:21
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, porn sites floating to your new tab page.Dec 20 18:30
DaemonFC[m]Very nice when other people are looking at your browser, right?Dec 20 18:30
DaemonFC[m]Wait a second. There's a firefox blocklist for the new tab page's most frequent sites and it has URLs of bestiality porn.Dec 20 18:32
DaemonFC[m]OMG. That's funny.Dec 20 18:32
schestowitztell the Gates familtDec 20 18:34
schestowitz*familyDec 20 18:34
schestowitz 20 18:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Melinda and Zoophilia Found in Tandem in the Illegal Pornographic ‘Stash’ of Bill Gates’ Engineer | TechrightsDec 20 18:34
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DaemonFC[m]Seems Windows 10 has a "compressed memory" feature.Dec 20 18:56
DaemonFC[m]Fedora is copying that now.Dec 20 18:56
XRevan86Linux stole the "compressed memory" feature from Windows 10 in 2010.Dec 20 19:03
XRevan86The audacity.Dec 20 19:04
MinceR 20 19:09
XRevan86almost a literal backdoorDec 20 19:10
DaemonFC[m]Meh, maybe no distributions really bothered to set it up until now.Dec 20 19:14
DaemonFC[m]Of course Windows 10 seems to use a lot of memory.Dec 20 19:14
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: According to Wikipedia, Lubuntu did.Dec 20 19:15
MinceR(cat) 20 19:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4758370)Dec 20 19:36
IanJscientes: Is the pinephone actually a usable device or just a gimicky toy?Dec 20 20:06
scientesit is certainly not a toyDec 20 20:06
IanJIs it your daily driver?Dec 20 20:06
scientesand the mobile worksDec 20 20:07
scientesbut no, it is a PITADec 20 20:07
IanJhaha :)Dec 20 20:07
scienteshowever it is actually promisingDec 20 20:07
scientesunlike ubuntu touch on the nexus 4 back in the dayDec 20 20:07
IanJYeah, that's what I read, it's just not there yet. :(Dec 20 20:07
scienteswhich was immediately "they will never work"Dec 20 20:07
scientesthis clearly has promiseDec 20 20:07
scientesand calls actually workDec 20 20:08
scienteswhich is pretty amazingDec 20 20:08
scientesconsidering that noone was ever able to do that beforeDec 20 20:08
IanJI'm glad it's progressing though.Dec 20 20:09
DaemonFC[m]It seems Windows can actually play most formats now without those awful codec packs.Dec 20 20:11
scienteslike the hardware basically worksDec 20 20:11
scientesi can pull up firefox and it worksDec 20 20:11
scientesand the gnome interface is pretty slickDec 20 20:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Token authentication requirements for Git operations - The GitHub BlogDec 20 21:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - BuffonDec 20 21:51
DaemonFC[m]I couldn't figure out how to get my laptop to output to the TV over HDMI.Dec 20 21:56
DaemonFC[m]But then again, I might have grabbed the cord that John was always screwing around with because the TV would lose the signal from his PS4.Dec 20 21:56
MinceRplug the HDMI cable into the laptop and into the TV, then set the laptop to use the HDMI outputDec 20 21:56
DaemonFC[m]When I don't have the hard disk hooked up later I might go over it again with a different cable and throw that one in the trash.Dec 20 21:56
DaemonFC[m]How does a Chromecast work? Can you just mirror anything?Dec 20 21:58
MinceR¯\_(ツ)_/¯Dec 20 21:58
DaemonFC[m]I opened up the cast thing and I got my neighbor's Fire TV stick.Dec 20 21:58
DaemonFC[m]But then when I plugged in the one my mom gave me, it was the one without mirroring.Dec 20 21:58
DaemonFC[m]I have a roku around here somewhere.Dec 20 22:02
DaemonFC[m]But after the move I haven't seen it.Dec 20 22:02
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DaemonFC[m]Yeah, it's the cable.Dec 20 22:13
MinceR 20 22:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Supermarket Sweeps – DORK TOWER 05.06.20 – Dork TowerDec 20 22:15
AriadneDaemonFC[m]: it goes to a webpageDec 20 22:22
Ariadneyou direct it to go toDec 20 22:22
DaemonFC[m]Okay, I ordered a 12 footer HDMI.Dec 20 22:32
DaemonFC[m]I can get from the laptop to the TV with that with maybe some room to spare.Dec 20 22:33
DaemonFC[m]It's hacky, but it's $10 and the 6 foot cable worked it just wasn't long enough.Dec 20 22:33
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: It seems that "Casting" is just full of bugs and they're removing support for stuff that's on your local computer because pirates I guess.Dec 20 22:34
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft was pushing Miracast for a while, but it was more like Miracrashed.Dec 20 22:35
MinceR:DDec 20 22:35
DaemonFC[m]They hurried up to set up demos at Best Buy and the Microsoft Store and the demo didn't work and blue screen of deathed a Windows laptop I tried it with at the Microsoft Store.Dec 20 22:35
MinceRbut did it cast the BSOD to the TV?Dec 20 22:36
DaemonFC[m]So the upside with this computer is it's a full sized laptop with full sized ports, including HDMI.Dec 20 22:36
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: A few frames of the desktop then the Blue Screen of Death and then "Welcome to the Microsoft Miracast receiver. Please connect a device.".Dec 20 22:37
MinceRbig deal, my subnotebook has a full-sized HDMI port too :>Dec 20 22:37
MinceRahDec 20 22:37
MinceRbit of a letdownDec 20 22:37
DaemonFC[m]Which is what you expect given Windows and Microsoft and Intel and all.Dec 20 22:37
MinceRit should continue to reliably cast the BSOD to the TVDec 20 22:37
DaemonFC[m]Something happened something happened.Dec 20 22:37
MinceRafter all, if you directed the output of a PC running windows to a TV, a BSOD is what you wanted to seeDec 20 22:38
MinceReven the superthin/superlight laptop i'm considering buying has a full sized HDMI portDec 20 22:38
DaemonFC[m]I suspect that we'll see fewer successful attacks on the new Edge because the upstream is Google, which actually fixes bugs and it uses open source libraries where the maintainers accept bug fixes.Dec 20 22:38
MinceR(and next to it it also has a micro-HDMI port)Dec 20 22:38
DaemonFC[m]So Microsoft is really getting a free lunch here, and that's why Chromium Edge is not terrible by their usual standards.Dec 20 22:39
MinceRmicroshit can still fuck it upDec 20 22:39
MinceRit's their specialtyDec 20 22:39
DaemonFC[m]Although I kind of wonder why it currently doesn't support generating passwords considering Chrome has had that feature for a long time.Dec 20 22:41
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I hear that they may end up getting the Intel graphics driver and teh Cyperpunk 2077 binaries into some sort of shape to where you will eventually be able to play it on Intel Xe graphics, like what my laptop has.Dec 20 22:49
DaemonFC[m]There was a guy on Youtube showing it off on Skylake Mobile, and it managed 10-12 fps.Dec 20 22:49
DaemonFC[m]But when he started the game on Tiger Lake with Xe graphics, it just crashed. Dec 20 22:50
DaemonFC[m]If an Intel HD 520 can run it at ~10 fps, then I suspect as long as you don't get crazy with the visuals, 30-40 fps is theoretically possible on Tiger Lake.Dec 20 22:51
DaemonFC[m]Intel has been putting out new drivers like crazy for Windows to deal with Tiger Lake issues.Dec 20 22:51
DaemonFC[m]The one that went out yesterday mostly took time to fix less than optimal performance with DirectX 9 stuff though, oddly.Dec 20 22:52
DaemonFC[m]The driver Windows Update tries to give you is a little bit crusty.Dec 20 22:53
DaemonFC[m]Honestly, if the Windows driver is in a state like this, then I suspect Debian 11 may not even have new enough components to support things just right.Dec 20 22:54
psydroidThat's ridiculousDec 20 22:57
psydroidMy laptop with Skylake is fast enough to do almost anything, but it has Ngreedia discrete graphicsDec 20 22:58
DaemonFC[m]Intel has been dribbling in Tiger Lake support into Linux for like half a dozen kernels now.Dec 20 22:58
psydroidWith Intel machines the integrated graphics always get out of date much faster than the rest of the systemDec 20 22:59
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, the single threaded performance on the CPU side has been improved since Skylake, but the dramatic improvements are the Intel GPU performance and the overall power management and amount of heat that the laptop produces.Dec 20 22:59
psydroidHopefully with newer generations containing Xe graphics that will less often be the caseDec 20 22:59
DaemonFC[m]And the U series is all quad core now, and you get hyperthreading as long as it's at least an i5.Dec 20 23:00
DaemonFC[m]So on the U series lineup, it's a night and day improvement over Skylake.Dec 20 23:00
psydroidI think my niece has an i5-8250U in her laptop and it will probably last her for several more yearsDec 20 23:04
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, Apple transitioned away from Intel before major improvements came out.Dec 20 23:05
DaemonFC[m]The M1 is really about locking down the Mac more from the user and making them cheaper to build.Dec 20 23:06
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft's software on the Mac has historically been awkward.Dec 20 23:08
DaemonFC[m]It's usually a totally different codebase than Windows, and so even things like Office compatibility issues show up even though both are called Microsoft Office.Dec 20 23:08
DaemonFC[m]The last CPU transition caught them totally off guard and they were a PPC binary for years.Dec 20 23:09
psydroidWhich is understandable but locks them out of running anything else unless special efforts are being made to reverse engineer drivers and port/write those to/for other operating systemsDec 20 23:09
DaemonFC[m]Someone will port Linux to the M1, but I doubt it will work well, especially the graphics performance.Dec 20 23:10
DaemonFC[m]Given how Apple just cuts you off at some point relatively soon after you buy it and then new software stops working, this is a major problem with the new Macs.Dec 20 23:12
DaemonFC[m]I think that huge changes to Windows are basically finished.Dec 20 23:12
psydroidMicrosoft doesn't seem to be very agile when it comes to new hardware architectures and operating systems, as if it's in their DNA to have a stuck mindsetDec 20 23:13
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, which is probably why Intel only dropped slightly on the news of Microsoft designing ARM processors.Dec 20 23:13
vZS1Microsoft don't really develop. They acquireDec 20 23:13
DaemonFC[m]Nobody is interested in Windows on ARM.Dec 20 23:13
vZS1That's always been the business modelDec 20 23:13
vZS1Why would you want to put bloat on low-resource hardware?Dec 20 23:14
DaemonFC[m]They keep trying  to cut Windows down to where it only runs limited apps and shove an ARM version out.Dec 20 23:15
DaemonFC[m]But nobody bites.Dec 20 23:15
DaemonFC[m]So they shoved the Windows Store to the side and accepted reality that nobody is going to use that as their main source for programs.Dec 20 23:15
DaemonFC[m]Many people were upset at the removal of the 16-bit VDM stuff.Dec 20 23:17
DaemonFC[m]Even the US federal government uses some DOS programs.Dec 20 23:17
vZS1LegacyDec 20 23:18
vZS1The hardest thing to get rid ofDec 20 23:18
psydroidI'm looking at it from a different perspectiveDec 20 23:18
psydroidInitiate an architecture transition once every 10 years and Microsoft won't be able to keep up and might eventually have to foldDec 20 23:19
MinceR21 001543 < DaemonFC[m]> So they shoved the Windows Store to the side and accepted reality that nobody is going to use that as their main source for programs.Dec 20 23:20
MinceRso, is UWP dead already?Dec 20 23:20
vZS1psydroid: they'll just run in VMsDec 20 23:20
vZS1Look at COBOLDec 20 23:20
vZS1Still aliveDec 20 23:20
DaemonFC[m]<MinceR "so, is UWP dead already?"> It's still there but I doubt anyone uses it.Dec 20 23:21
vZS1Business systems seldom migrateDec 20 23:22
DaemonFC[m]For starters, most people pirate software and the software there is quite expensive.Dec 20 23:22
vZS1They get built once and then all you use is duct tapeDec 20 23:22
DaemonFC[m]The natural thing to want to do as a developer is scream about pirates, but it's a fact of life.Dec 20 23:23
DaemonFC[m]If you developed a perfect system of DRM that absolutely never failed, somehow, it wouldn't put money into people's wallets. They might find some other program to use instead.Dec 20 23:23
DaemonFC[m]So you never would convert 100% of piracy into sales.Dec 20 23:23
DaemonFC[m]Maybe 10-20% if you were lucky.Dec 20 23:24
DaemonFC[m]Office 2019 DRM is probably cracked by somebody, but just having it there with the high prices is what's driving a lot of people over to LibreOffice.Dec 20 23:24
DaemonFC[m]They can't cope with shelling out three hundred dollars for a copy of MS Office that's only going to give them a few more years until they have to buy it again.Dec 20 23:25
vZS1Hiking prices is what drives to piracy in the first placeDec 20 23:25
DaemonFC[m]It is. Few people would have bothered with web rips until Netflix got to $14.99 a month.Dec 20 23:26
DaemonFC[m]That's more expensive than it was to have their DVD by mail service before streaming.Dec 20 23:26
vZS1If Netflix was sub-$10 a month, everyone would just pay for itDec 20 23:26
vZS1Almost everyone at leastDec 20 23:26
DaemonFC[m]$14.99 a month is over $180 a year, because they take sales tax too.Dec 20 23:27
DaemonFC[m]The state creates a fiction where you're buying something so that it can put in a 9% tax.Dec 20 23:27
vZS1Don't forget they limit how many devices you can watch onDec 20 23:27
DaemonFC[m]So really over $200 a year.Dec 20 23:27
psydroidI don't know if you read anything in the news about this, but I'm wondering if systems coming with Windows are relatively in declineDec 20 23:27
psydroid 20 23:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Canalys Newsroom- Canalys: Tablets and Chromebooks the new hotspots for growth in the PC marketDec 20 23:27
DaemonFC[m]When I was a kid, parents just rented a Disney movie on a video tape or something.Dec 20 23:28
DaemonFC[m]Ran off copies on blank tapes for them and the extended family, and the folks at work with kids.Dec 20 23:28
DaemonFC[m]It was like a slow and crude form of internet file sharing.Dec 20 23:28
DaemonFC[m]The stuff got around, there was major piracy.Dec 20 23:28
DaemonFC[m]Absolutely nobody would have entertained the thought of paying Disney $100 a year, much less when you considered that there were half a dozen other streaming apps all costing more than that.Dec 20 23:29
DaemonFC[m]It's part of what's making people broke.Dec 20 23:30
vZS1They're digging their own grave by not pricing reasonably (:Dec 20 23:30
psydroidFewer desktops are being sold and prices have become quite high, making me wonder if they are trying to compensate for lower numbers of sold desktop componentsDec 20 23:31
vZS1Don't believe the statsDec 20 23:31
vZS1The samples are shiteDec 20 23:32
vZS1Plenty of people still building PCsDec 20 23:32
vZS1Even non-tech typesDec 20 23:32
psydroidBut as many as before?Dec 20 23:32
vZS1Can't sayDec 20 23:33
vZS1Look at sales across retailersDec 20 23:33
vZS1Best way to usually tellDec 20 23:33
vZS1CPUs, Motherboards, PSUs, GPUsDec 20 23:34
vZS1That kind of thingDec 20 23:34
vZS1CasesDec 20 23:34
vZS1There's a lot of propaganda out thereDec 20 23:35
vZS1They'd love people to believe PCs are on the declineDec 20 23:35
vZS1When there's no evidence supporting thatDec 20 23:35
vZS1Check the thousands of units of RAM sold daily on eBayDec 20 23:37
DaemonFC[m] 20 23:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-This is why you don't see cheap Windows devices with 8GB of RAM (specs for cheap Windows licenses) - LiliputingDec 20 23:38
DaemonFC[m]"Max 32 GB SSD/eMMC is the real problem. This makes the devices almost unusable with windows over time. Annoying updates (not enough free space) and the necessity to check / free the the file system on regular bases."Dec 20 23:38
DaemonFC[m]Someone else replies: "Nope the problem is the 2GB of RAM. I have a Lenovo Yoga with 2GB of RAM and 32GB eMMC. The storage I can live with but the lack of RAM means that even browsing causes the machine to groan. The cursor becomes Uncontrollable and the touchscreen becomes a ferociously tapscreen. And yes I have tried various browsers with no addons installed."Dec 20 23:38
vZS1Buy expandable hardware?Dec 20 23:39
vZS1People moaning about devices without enough memory or disk shouldn't buy devices with fixed memory and diskDec 20 23:40
psydroidI got a used laptop with a Celeron N3060, 8 GB of RAM and 128 GB M.2 SATA SSD at the start of the year for €75Dec 20 23:41
vZS1NiceDec 20 23:41
psydroidOf course it came with Bloatware, but I installed GNU/Linux on it and now I have Haiku running on itDec 20 23:42
vZS1I buy phones from generic Chinese manufacturers. I can expand the memory card to several hundred gigabytes and change the batteries.Dec 20 23:42
vZS1Meanwhile, people buying designer phones can't even change their batteryDec 20 23:43
psydroidIf people realise they shouldn't buy those really crappy laptops with 2 GB of RAM and 32 GB of eMMC, the stores wouldn't even try to sell themDec 20 23:43
psydroidI saw them too being sold a few years ago but found €200 a steep price for something that can only be considered a toyDec 20 23:44
psydroidYou're better off with a Chromebook at that price pointDec 20 23:44
vZS1Or just get a SBC and hook it up to your TVDec 20 23:45
psydroidThat's what I do, yesDec 20 23:45
vZS1There's so many good SBCs out thereDec 20 23:49
vZS1You should never have to get a crappy laptop unless you really need the form factorDec 20 23:49
vZS1Even then, you're better off getting just a cheap device that you can forward X over to a real working machine at homeDec 20 23:50
psydroidAnd if you don't know if something is good or not, just ask a friend or a relativeDec 20 23:51
psydroidThat's literally what I did a decade agoDec 20 23:51
vZS1YeahDec 20 23:52
vZS1These days you get netbooks that are cheapDec 20 23:52
vZS1You can use that to forward XDec 20 23:52
psydroidI have a fairly powerful laptop now, but if I need more compute power I will just build a desktop/workstation/server for the heavy liftingDec 20 23:52
vZS1Then have a beefy system at home doing all the hard workDec 20 23:52
vZS1YepDec 20 23:53
vZS1That's the best thing to doDec 20 23:53
vZS1Don't fall for the overpriced laptop gimmickDec 20 23:53
vZS1Your current laptop should last you over a decade as a remote terminalDec 20 23:54
psydroidMy current main laptop is only my second in two decades with a few used ones to run other operating systems for visitorsDec 20 23:55
psydroidMy previous one did last for a decadeDec 20 23:55
vZS1You can even play demanding games remotelyDec 20 23:59
vZS1Steam has been doing this for a while nowDec 20 23:59

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