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oiaohmIts really costly to have a foundry at the cutting edge.Jun 21 00:03
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oiaohmcubexyz: we are already past the point of electron tunneling being problems.    The silicon atom is 0.2 nm   With silicon the hard wall will be somewhere 1 to 0.5 nm.Jun 21 00:05
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oiaohm3 or 2nm might turn out to be the practical wall.Jun 21 00:05
oiaohm   The current forecasts have us hit the hard wall for silicon tech by 2028 at that point is migrated to carbon based tech.Jun 21 00:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-TSMC Starts Development on 2nm Process Node, but What Technologies Will It Use? - ExtremeTechJun 21 00:10
oiaohmEven carbon based techs don't get us smaller.Jun 21 00:14
oiaohmcarbon based tech is about better heat conductivity and other things out of the chip.Jun 21 00:14
oiaohmTSMC aim is 3nm mass production by 2022 followed by 2nm mass production in 2024  that on their known road maps.    Now TSMC has been following 2 year cycle and halving that makes it 2026 for 1nm production and 2028 for 0.5 nm(totally not going smaller).Jun 21 00:17
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - UtilitarianJun 21 00:45
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: makes some senseJun 21 00:47
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Steve Gibson is kind of a troll who pretends to know what he's talking about in language that sounds like Star Trek or Dr. Who trying to explain something technical to the audience.Jun 21 01:01
DaemonFC[m]One thing that he did point out that is part of the never-ending onslaught of holes in Windows is the Windows Metafile Format.Jun 21 01:03
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft's rebuttal to Steve Gibson was that the "security landscape" was "different" in the early 90s.Jun 21 01:03
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, Microsoft didn't design Windows very well and whatever security it did have came from the fact that people never exposed it to a large public network.Jun 21 01:04
DaemonFC[m]Failing to fix it in response to internet-based attacks, Microsoft just grew other Windows features out of the ones it planted there with no security model and that went about as well as expected, and most of it can never truly be fixed now.Jun 21 01:05
MinceRyes, it was different in that back then microsloth ignored the topic and now they bullshit all day and all night about how the garbage products and services they're trying to force people to buy are "secure"Jun 21 01:05
MinceRbut it was the same in that microshit code was an insecure bloated pile of hacks back then and it's an insecure bloated pile of hacks nowJun 21 01:06
DaemonFC[m]Security was never the point of things like ActiveX. They were a plot to take over the internet and make websites that were Windows applications, and letting the site control the user's computer with minimal effort wasn't seen as an "us" problem at Microsoft.Jun 21 01:06
DaemonFC[m]More of a problem for anyone who had to use Windows.Jun 21 01:06
DaemonFC[m]They don't ever give a shit if it works right. Their goal is to make money, not robust software.Jun 21 01:07
MinceRthat's not enoughJun 21 01:07
MinceRthey also have the goal of controlling people's livesJun 21 01:07
oiaohmNothing as stupid as being told that outlooks means to directly run exe from email was intentional feature to allow companies to roll out software.Jun 21 01:08
DaemonFC[m]You can imagine my shock when the guy who developed DirectX was stunned that Windows 10 hosed his computer right before a job interview and he had to borrow his interviewer's computer.Jun 21 01:08
oiaohmYes I have that on Microsoft letter head somewhere.Jun 21 01:08
DaemonFC[m]He worked for them. He should know what they're like.Jun 21 01:08
MinceRlol @ running exe from emailJun 21 01:08
DaemonFC[m]<oiaohm "Nothing as stupid as being told "> Dispensing product!Jun 21 01:09
oiaohmThat letter is dated a year before the out break of exe email worms.Jun 21 01:09
oiaohmBeing able to see a problem coming does not mean you can get Microsoft or any large company to fix them.Jun 21 01:10
oiaohmMinceR: I am not sure Microsoft has the goal of controlling peoples live exactly its more profit at all costs no matter the level of stupidity required todo it.Jun 21 01:11
MinceRwell, it's not enough for them that you pay them when you buy a PCJun 21 01:12
MinceRyou must also run BackdoorsJun 21 01:12
MinceRand you must love itJun 21 01:12
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MinceRand you must install "updates" and reboot when _they_ wantitJun 21 01:12
MinceRs/tit/t it/Jun 21 01:12
oiaohmRemember the old MS DOS contracts.Jun 21 01:12
oiaohmWhere hardware vendors had to pay Microsoft per PC they made even if it did not ship with ms dos and could never run ms dos.Jun 21 01:13
oiaohmOf course Microsoft got anti-trusted for that.Jun 21 01:13
MinceRyeahJun 21 01:13
oiaohmI am not exactly sure if Microsoft cares if you run windows 10.   they care if you paid themJun 21 01:14
MinceRyet they keep trying to lock other OS-es out of PC-sJun 21 01:15
oiaohmNot like the Android camp is different here.Jun 21 01:15
oiaohmOr appleJun 21 01:15
oiaohmfairly much all vendors trying to make money out of greed attempt that.Jun 21 01:16
MinceRcrApple definitely isJun 21 01:16
MinceRbut afaik google doesn't have that much control over bootloadersJun 21 01:16
MinceRseems to be more of the device makers' fault on android devicesJun 21 01:16
oiaohmThat why I said android camp as in the device makers Jun 21 01:16
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oiaohmdevice makers customised android versions + locked boot loader happens a lot.Jun 21 01:17
MinceRthat's a different situationJun 21 01:17
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oiaohmLot of ways people buying hardware have not being picking hardware that maintains their means to use it well.Jun 21 01:19
oiaohmMinceR: the greed reason why device makers do it  to android and Microsoft with windows is basically the same.Jun 21 01:21
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cubexyzgot an interesting report on intel phi:Jun 21 01:31
cubexyz"In less than 60 seconds the intel phi cores reached the boiling point of water"Jun 21 01:32
cubexyzthere's lots of cheap intel phi boards on ebayJun 21 01:32
MinceRlolJun 21 01:32
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Macs are mainly for left-handed seniors with dementia; also for prima donnas who are left-handed and perhaps genderqueer of all ages. See also; CHAZ/CHOPJun 21 02:40
DaemonFC[m]The city of Seattle would like to remind everyone that it hasn't lost control of CHAZ. It's a giant "block party" and they'll catch them all when they come out to go to the Apple Store.Jun 21 02:41
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: To be fair, I'd kind of like to secede from the federal government, Illinois, and Lake County, roughly in that order.Jun 21 02:43
DaemonFC[m]So I sympathize on some level.Jun 21 02:43
DaemonFC[m]We can all move to CHAZ and extend the block party until we can take over the state of Washington and pass a bill seceding from the union.Jun 21 02:44
MinceRlolJun 21 02:44
DaemonFC[m]At some point, the issue of law enforcement might come up again, because decentralized government sounds terrific and as a member of that decentralized government, I just made it legal for me to do whatever I want.Jun 21 02:45
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DaemonFC[m]It's the other people who might have something to say about that.Jun 21 02:46
DaemonFC[m]Eventually we have have this idea. Call it a state. This state can hire people, let's call them police officers, to protect you from what I will do without this state and those police officers and vice versa.Jun 21 02:46
MinceRhell is other peopleJun 21 02:46
DaemonFC[m]I'm sure we'll get it right this time, unlike any other government that has ever existed in the last 10,000 years or so.Jun 21 02:47
MinceRyou got it wrong at the point you decided to have a stateJun 21 02:47
MinceRpossibly at the point where you had peopleJun 21 02:47
DaemonFC[m]In theory, the state is the people through their elected representatives. pause for laughterJun 21 02:48
DaemonFC[m]I know that people asked me if I wanted to sign a social contract.Jun 21 02:49
DaemonFC[m]I said, "Gee, something that in no way benefits me, that will have an oppressive regime telling me everything down to when I can wipe my ass. Where do I sign?"Jun 21 02:49
DaemonFC[m]Yes, I remember doing that.Jun 21 02:49
cubexyzwell you know if there were no people then the crime rate would be zero :)Jun 21 02:49
DaemonFC[m]The Coronavirus is getting rid of many of these old folks who thought that Donald Trump would just fuck everyone else to death. So there's that.Jun 21 02:50
DaemonFC[m]It's 600 today, but we're also getting ~35,000 new confirmed cases a day again. That gives me hope for the future.Jun 21 02:51
DaemonFC[m]Hopefully this bomb will just incinerate Trump's base before the election and our country can just be fucking normal again.Jun 21 02:51
DaemonFC[m]That rally in Tulsa.....I totally approve.Jun 21 02:51
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DaemonFC[m]6 of the people working for Trump on the Tulsa rally tested positive for the virus.Jun 21 02:52
DaemonFC[m]Guess what starts happening about a week or so after it's over.Jun 21 02:52
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: It kills hundreds of thousands of old people.Jun 21 02:53
DaemonFC[m]I'd have more sympathy if it wasn't for what they act like.Jun 21 02:53
cubexyzsurely there are old people who don't like trumpJun 21 02:54
DaemonFC[m]I quit Facebook for a lot of things, but it's mainly because it's turning into a platform for racist people like my mom to all tell each other how much they'd like to shoot the blacks.Jun 21 02:54
DaemonFC[m]I don't need more negativity in my life.Jun 21 02:54
DaemonFC[m]She gets these crazy ideas in her head, like BLM is some sort of Holnist Army from the movie The Postman and they're coming for Huntington, Indiana.Jun 21 02:55
DaemonFC[m]Their goal is to brings anarchy, destroy President Trump (who is on a mission from God), and rape white women with their bbcs.Jun 21 02:57
MinceRlolJun 21 02:58
DaemonFC[m]Oh yeah, and Fox News says the Weather Underground group from the 1970s is out there planning to "Attack Heaven and dethrone God".Jun 21 02:58
DaemonFC[m]Republican voters are fucking stupid. They're paranoid of these fictional bogeymen that were made up to control them.Jun 21 02:59
MinceRwell, Weather Underground is owned by IBMJun 21 03:00
MinceRso they should attack IBMJun 21 03:00
cubexyzthere must be more than one "Weather Underground"Jun 21 03:01
MinceReven if there is, they don't need to know thatJun 21 03:01
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Attacking IBM won't work because the cloud is everywhere and it is nowhere.Jun 21 03:01
MinceRalso, there isn't, the first one became defunct in 1977Jun 21 03:02
MinceRDaemonFC[m]: they could try in Armonk NYJun 21 03:02
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schestowitz> Yes. I read through most of your listed articles on that site.Jun 21 06:09
schestowitz> Particularly Epstein and Jones connection. Jun 21 06:09
schestowitz> Jun 21 06:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Trump’s Tulsa Rally Fizzles as Seats Go Empty - The New York TimesJun 21 07:33
DaemonFC[m]I edited the Cinzano page on Wikipedia to mention Red Dwarf.Jun 21 07:44
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Trump's rally was a disaster.Jun 21 07:46
DaemonFC[m]Hardly anyone showed up and he was furious. Jun 21 07:46
schestowitzlolJun 21 08:17
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: old people don't wanna dieJun 21 08:18
schestowitzso...Jun 21 08:18
schestowitzwho will show up? Kids?Jun 21 08:18
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obarunshame on them: 21 11:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Towards a Stronger OpenNebula Community - Announcements - OpenNebula CommunityJun 21 11:05
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schestowitzHello Mr. Schestowitz, Hello Mr. Jones,Jun 21 13:26
schestowitzI recall Mr. Jones writing digital freedom tools and being interested inJun 21 13:26
schestowitzinternet censorship which is why I CC'ed you Mr. Jones.  I also recallJun 21 13:26
schestowitzMr. Jones creating an app to capture video and send it to web sites toJun 21 13:26
schestowitzspecifically help capture abuse by Police officers. Quite relevant now,Jun 21 13:26
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schestowitzbut he wrote this years ago. HATS OFF to Mr. Jones.Jun 21 13:26
schestowitzWe chatted on irc the other day about reddit censorship/moderation beingJun 21 13:26
schestowitzbiased and being controlled/supported by BIGTECH.  My handle the otherJun 21 13:26
schestowitzday on irc and on reddit was omac777.Jun 21 13:26
schestowitz------Jun 21 13:26
schestowitzthere may be some software in the way ti tackle thisJun 21 13:26
scientes> will incorporate additional bug fixes Jun 21 13:32
scienteshahahahahahahaJun 21 13:32
scientesanti-featuresJun 21 13:32
scientes"Its not a bug, its extortion!"Jun 21 13:33
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: I will quote you on  [20:23] <DaemonFC[m]> There's no honor among criminals, so the control mechanism is that you know where the other guy's skeletons are. Jun 21 15:05
schestowitzif that it OK with youJun 21 15:05
schestowitzI am preparing the next partJun 21 15:05
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DaemonFC[m]Yeah, that's fine.Jun 21 17:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Protesters Fell Confederate Monument In D.C., Provoking Trump's Fury : Live Updates: Protests For Racial Justice : NPRJun 21 17:17
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Apparently, the stadium had room for 19,000 people and the campaign was expecting to fill an overflow area outside too, but just 6,218 people showed up and nobody was at the overflow area.Jun 21 23:36
DaemonFC[m]Trump was yelling at his staff members, gave an awful speech, and left.Jun 21 23:36
MinceRso, business as usual?Jun 21 23:38
schestowitzGolden DawnaldJun 21 23:46
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