●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Monday, June 21, 2021 ●● ● Jun 21 [00:04] DaemonFC Puff pieces on what? [00:04] DaemonFC https://chicago.suntimes.com/2021/6/16/22536813/metra-ridership-hits-a-post-covid-high [00:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-chicago.suntimes.com | Metra ridership hits a post-COVID high - Chicago Sun-Times [00:06] DaemonFC "Commuters are heading back to the office, and tourists are trickling back into the Chicagoland area. [00:06] DaemonFC As of Tuesday, Metra had more than 56,637 passenger trips, a post-COVID high but still well below the weekday average of 287,593 passenger trips in June 2019." [00:06] DaemonFC So ridership is at 20% of what it was in 2019? [00:06] DaemonFC YAY! Boom economy! [00:09] DaemonFC schestowitz, Not only that, but to get there they had to cut the cost of riding it by one-third. [00:10] DaemonFC This should really speak to how dead Chicago is now. [00:11] DaemonFC https://patch.com/illinois/tinleypark/pedestrian-struck-metra-train-near-tinley-park [00:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Pedestrian Killed By Metra Train In Tinley Park | Tinley Park, IL Patch [00:11] DaemonFC That's a popular spot for people to kill themselves. [00:12] DaemonFC Those trains are normally going about 75-80 miles per hour heading along some stretches of that line. [00:20] schestowitz Is that a MAC? https://betanews.com/2021/06/20/download-debian-linux-1010-buster/#comments [00:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-betanews.com | Download Debian Linux 10.10 'Buster' now [00:31] DaemonFC PIA seems to be getting rid of US servers. [00:31] DaemonFC The servers still say they're in the US, but they aren't. [00:31] DaemonFC Same with some of the ones in Europe. [00:32] schestowitz I no longer trust PIA [00:33] CrystalMath why not? [00:33] schestowitz look who runs it... [00:33] CrystalMath Kape Technologies [00:33] schestowitz That too [00:34] CrystalMath i mean like, what did Andrew Lee say that's so bad? [00:34] CrystalMath he said he really likes privacy and tor [00:34] CrystalMath in that interview [00:34] CrystalMath i'm very happy with the things he said there [00:34] CrystalMath maybe the way he said it wasn't your style, but still [00:34] schestowitz They seem to be lying about their finances [00:34] schestowitz and the boss of Lee is no friend of privacy [00:35] schestowitz so we don't really know what happens to that data anymore... [00:35] schestowitz I never trusted gambling companies, either [00:35] schestowitz this is Trump/Adelson territories [00:36] schestowitz very very dodgy people... liars and pretenders [00:36] schestowitz people who think that if they pretend to be rich maybe somehow it'll become true [00:36] schestowitz Adelson really was rich [00:36] schestowitz but a super-dodgy monster [00:36] schestowitz who would buy the media to attack judges who held him accountable for crimes [00:37] schestowitz super-dodgy folks [00:43] DaemonFC Trump hasn't ever been rich. He's been good at filing bankruptcy against people after spending their money. [00:44] schestowitz that's why Lee loves Trump, I think [00:45] DaemonFC I learned that if you bankrupt $100,000, people call you a parasite and irresponsible. [00:45] DaemonFC If you bankrupt $4-5 billion, you're a smart businessman and a mogul. [00:45] schestowitz if in the "foundation", they call you charitable [00:47] schestowitz Welcome to the RealWorld(R) [00:47] schestowitz polluters are green https://finance.yahoo.com/news/green-software-foundation-microsoft-build-linux-github-accenture-150050755.html [00:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-finance.yahoo.com | Microsoft, the Linux Foundation, and others team up to make software sustainable [00:47] schestowitz Linux is Windows [00:47] schestowitz debt is "success" [00:47] DaemonFC A lot of that money in the bankruptcy were medical bills where they played The Price Is Right in their billing department and added a couple extra zeros at the end. [00:48] DaemonFC Also, debt the government forced me into with fines and bullshit. [00:48] DaemonFC I was not out buying flat screens and playstations and eating at fancy restaurants. Although I would have certainly enjoyed it more. [00:48] DaemonFC If those folks get to file, why not me? [00:49] DaemonFC I hurried up and filed while Mandy hadn't had too many paychecks from Walmart. [00:49] DaemonFC So the entire bankruptcy estate was frozen while I didn't have much money coming in. [00:49] DaemonFC For months we'd been living off my relatively small income, in a motel room. [00:49] DaemonFC Talk about fake it til you make it. [00:50] DaemonFC Our bills were easily triple what my income was, but hey hell, I slept okay oddly. [00:51] DaemonFC MinceR, "Anyone else wanna negotiate?" -Korben Dallas [00:51] MinceR :> [00:54] schestowitz [00:49] Talk about fake it til you make it. [00:54] schestowitz that sums it up [00:54] DaemonFC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Vq7csh83U4 [00:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Fifth Element - Anybody else want to negotiate? - YouTube [00:54] schestowitz take debt, take some 'sport' cars... not practical value, but waste implies abundance of money [00:54] schestowitz talk trash like you're a tycoon [00:55] schestowitz seen lots of charlatans like these over the years.... if you ask them the right question, then you quickly realise they're fake [00:55] schestowitz inc. Lee [00:55] DaemonFC Yeah, that's the best line in GTA V, schestowitz [00:56] DaemonFC When Franklin Clinton (the repo guy) tells the other one they're repossessing so many cars because, "Man, do you know how much fake credit there is in this fucked up country?". [00:56] schestowitz I played only the first GTA [00:56] schestowitz and didn't like it, either [00:56] kingoffrance "repo man's got all night" :) [00:56] XRevan86 schestowitz: Lee can just ignore the question. [00:56] schestowitz he didn't [00:57] schestowitz he racked up tons of debt [00:57] schestowitz then trying to rationalise it [00:57] schestowitz like, companies with debt are better off [00:57] schestowitz btw [00:57] schestowitz I was once told that taking debt gives you better credit [00:57] schestowitz this is nonsense [00:57] XRevan86 schestowitz: Kape? [00:57] schestowitz doesn't even pass the smell test [00:57] activelow it is the securities/assets [00:57] schestowitz sounds like pure propaganda from lending [00:57] schestowitz "here, have debt, it'll IMPROVE your status" [00:58] activelow financial utilities can easily be invented, securities/assets cannot be [00:58] XRevan86 schestowitz: I'm just salty from May, where he was answering questions, like every third one. [00:58] DaemonFC schestowitz, It does. [00:58] XRevan86 even when repeating them [00:58] DaemonFC That latest credit card I got bumped my FICO score up 32 more points. [00:59] XRevan86 At least he didn't Putin his way out of answering them. [00:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 28.76 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 47.66 swarm size (avg): 302.00 [00:59] DaemonFC 13 months post-bankruptcy filing and my FICO is 636. ● Jun 21 [01:00] DaemonFC Well, you come out of bankruptcy with credit scores, and without credit scores. [01:00] DaemonFC There's like 10 FICO models and 3 VantageScore models. [01:00] DaemonFC Not every FICO model scores you if you have no account history. [01:00] DaemonFC Or if it's too new. [01:01] DaemonFC Experian will give you your FICO 8, but specifically the type of FICO 8 that credit card lenders will see. [01:01] schestowitz [21:04] in pia's case that wasnt because we had all the leverage [01:01] schestowitz [21:04] since we didnt need the money. [01:01] schestowitz [21:04] took debt in the past not right now [01:01] DaemonFC Typically, banks like to score borrowers in 50 point blocks or so. [01:02] DaemonFC A FICO of 700-750 means you can pretty much lump these people in as "very good" and figure that about 3% of them will ever default on you. [01:02] DaemonFC Over 800, nobody really looks at much else anymore. [01:02] schestowitz I'm omitting more sensitive parts though [01:02] DaemonFC I got a car loan and they never asked about income. [01:03] schestowitz I don't buy this whole "we're SO healthy that we decided to borrow money" BS [01:03] schestowitz lending? Maybe. [01:03] schestowitz not borrowing [01:03] DaemonFC They figure you must have income or else why's your credit so high. [01:03] schestowitz they can take back the car [01:04] schestowitz more risk for you [01:04] DaemonFC They'll write loans to people with credit in the 600s, but they'll demand more interest and make you prove you have an income that's reasonable compared to the size of the loan. [01:04] DaemonFC Lots of risk, because the value of the car disappears into fees. [01:04] schestowitz pick up interest payments and, if all comes to ruin, repossess [01:04] schestowitz they write it in such a way that they can barely lose [01:04] DaemonFC You can lose the car and owe them pretty much the entire amount of the loan. And most people don't know that and go "Hey wait, that car was worth $12,000 as a used car!". [01:05] schestowitz anyway, pia and ltm freenode etc. are in fiscally dodgy hands [01:05] schestowitz malware company, gambling... [01:05] DaemonFC But that was before they auctioned it for $3,500 and deducted $2,900 in repo fees, storage, etc. [01:05] schestowitz they only pretend to be masters of the univrse [01:05] schestowitz freenode is even being operated like this [01:05] schestowitz like a trump estate [01:05] schestowitz impulsive and messy [01:05] DaemonFC Max-P disappeared after the company got bought out. [01:06] DaemonFC He was their customer support guy. [01:06] schestowitz bbiab [01:07] techrights-bot/fn #GNU #Linux is turning 38 https://www.i-programmer.info/news/82-heritage/14657-linux-at-30-a-penguin-for-your-thoughts.html see http://techrights.org/2021/04/30/gnu-linux-turning-38/ [01:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.i-programmer.info | Linux At 30 - A Penguin For Your Thoughts [01:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Show Your Love for the GNU Operating System With These Banners | Techrights [01:07] techrights-bot/fn More coverage on #Debian 10.10 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152468#comment-30002 [01:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian 10.10 release 202106191548 | Tux Machines [01:08] techrights-bot/fn These hearings are not legal https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=5668f7a1-5128-456c-a95b-2fb2c9053f50 #epo [01:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Oral Proceedings by Video Conference at the EPO - is there a secret framing handbook? - Lexology [01:08] techrights-bot/fn "My main file manager is LF and most of the file managers I look at are of the same style but today is different, today we're looking at XPLR which is a single pane file manager with extra sub windows that can be 100% customized in Lua." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaVRtYh1IRU [01:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-XPLR: Insanely Hackable Lua File Manager - YouTube [01:08] techrights-bot/fn " #Emacs has a really neat mode built into it called prettify-symbols-mode. You add a block of code into your Emacs config listing words and corresponding symbols. Anytime you type one of the words, Emacs replaces with the symbol or emoji that you specify." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iCjhdCUuLg [01:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Transform Words Into Pretty Symbols In Emacs - YouTube [01:10] techrights-bot/fn It would be nice to think that the events of 28 May have given the Enlarged Board pause for thought. http://techrights.org/2021/06/20/the-epo-games/ #Techrights #EPO #corruption #patents | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/20/the-epo-games/ [01:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Virtual Injustice Part 13: Let the Games Continue | Techrights [01:12] DaemonFC schestowitz, NPR was talking about the heat wave and they posted a photo of a park ranger next to a sign. [01:12] DaemonFC Problem is, I recognize that image. [01:12] DaemonFC It was from 2012, when we were having that really awful heat wave and drought. [01:13] DaemonFC Things got so bad that year that the reservoirs in Huntington County, Indiana, which are normally huge, almost ran dry. [01:13] DaemonFC The government had to remind people it was illegal to go out and steal things from the exposed towns that they had flooded in the 1960s to make way for the lakes. [01:14] DaemonFC It's illegal to take things from those sites, yet you flooded the entire area.....hmmm. [01:17] techrights-bot/fn #AMD Continues Working To Mainline Their #PTDMA Driver For Linux - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-PTDMA-Linux-Driver-v10 #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux [01:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-AMD Continues Working To Mainline Their PTDMA Driver For Linux - Phoronix [01:17] techrights-bot/fn "Over the past days, I have received tons of positive feedback on my previous blog post about forming the Debian BBB Packaging Team [1]. Feedback arrived via mail, IRC, [matrix] and Mastodon. Awesome. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, folks..." https://sunweavers.net/blog/node/134 [01:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sunweavers.net | BBB Packaging for Debian, a short Heads-Up | sunweaver's NET [01:18] techrights-bot/fn More of these #EPO puff pieces on Sunday https://www.nyoooz.com/news/chennai/1586997/indian-american-chemist-wins-coveted-honour-news-today/ https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/innovative-foundry-technologies-resolves-infringement-dispute-with-smic-and-initiates-new-patent-litigation-301314816.html see http://techrights.org/2021/06/20/epo-awards-smokescreening/ [01:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Indian American chemist wins coveted honour News Today | CHENNAI NYOOOZ [01:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.prnewswire.com | Innovative Foundry Technologies Resolves Infringement Dispute with SMIC and Initiates New Patent Litigation [01:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO: Fake Patents, Fake (Paid-for) Patent Coverage, and Fake Awards for Public Relations Purposes | Techrights [01:18] techrights-bot/fn Besieged #EPO courts want you to think patenting life and nature is OK, even though the European #Patent Convention (EPC) says otherwise https://www.iam-media.com/patenting-plant-inventions-the-epo-after-g-319 [01:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iam-media.com | Patenting plant inventions via the EPO after G 3/19 | IAM [01:21] techrights-bot/fn "In European patenting practice, European Patent Office (EPO) decisions play a significant role and set directions." Corrupt #EPO management and besieged judges letting through unlawful #swpats using buzzwords like "hey hi" https://www.internationallawoffice.com/Newsletters/Intellectual-Property/European-Union/Berggren-Oy/AI-patenting-practices-are-changing-but-is-the-direction-right? [01:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.internationallawoffice.com | AI patenting practices are changing but is the direction right? - Newsletters - International Law Office [01:21] techrights-bot/fn Breaking the law, granting unlawful #patents using ridiculous loopholes and entryism inside #patent offices https://www.bereskinparr.com/doc/comparing-the-canadian-and-european-approaches-to-patentability-of-computer-implemented-inventions #swpats [01:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bereskinparr.com | Comparing the Canadian and European Approaches to the Patentability of Computer-Implemented Inventions : Bereskin & Parr LLP [01:21] techrights-bot/fn Virtual Injustice Part 13: Let the Games Continue http://techrights.org/2021/06/20/the-epo-games/ #epo #corruption #kangarooCourt #patents #haar [01:24] techrights-bot/fn "An open letter in support of Richard Matthew Stallman being reinstated by the Free Software Foundation" now at 6,764 signatures. 6 new signatures. #failedCoup #rms #fsf #gnu #freesw [01:25] techrights-bot/fn #KDE : Akademy, KNewStuff, and digiKam http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152494 [01:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE: Akademy, KNewStuff, and digiKam | Tux Machines [01:25] techrights-bot/fn Audiocasts/Shows: XPLR, GNU World Order, and Emacs http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152496 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts/Shows: XPLR, GNU World Order, and Emacs | Tux Machines [01:27] techrights-bot/fn todays howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152497 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [01:28] techrights-bot/fn The best 10 videos conferencing tool for enterprises in 2021 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152498 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The best 10 videos conferencing tool for enterprises in 2021 | Tux Machines [01:28] techrights-bot/fn #Linux 5.13-rc7 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152495 #kernel [01:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 5.13-rc7 | Tux Machines [01:34] techrights-bot/fn #Watchtroll blowhard Gene Quinn is once again attacking high US courts for throwing out #swpats in "The CAFC is Suffering from a Prolonged Version of Alice in Wonderland Syndrome" (no, #softwarePatents ought not EXIST!) [01:35] techrights-bot/fn #copyrightTrolls http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/06/cjeu-rules-on-seeding-trolls-and.html [01:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | CJEU rules on seeding, trolls, and interplay between copyright enforcement and data protection rules - The IPKat [01:37] techrights-bot/fn How #litigation firms are in effect infiltrating courts to promote #patent maximalism and attack science for lawyers' fees https://www.managingip.com/article/b1s8jht0cn41z1/performance-review-uk-lawyers-evaluate-new-ip-judges #entryism #patents #religion [01:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Performance review: UK lawyers evaluate new IP judges | Managing Intellectual Property [01:39] techrights-bot/fn Bias the language, bias the debate, bias the outcome, bias the policy. #patent extremists poison everything. We all pay the price for it. [01:40] techrights-bot/fn #Fakepatents should be possible to oppose by anybody; #patents are not rights and people aren't magically entitled to #monopolies as the burden of proof is on them to justify it https://www.mathys-squire.com/insights-and-events/news/filing-an-opposition-as-a-straw-man-the-pros-and-cons/ [01:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mathys-squire.com | Filing an opposition as a straw man: the pros and cons - Mathys & Squire LLP [01:41] techrights-bot/fn "Rather, Judge Stark found that Cirba Inc. (INC) did not actually have rights [sic] to enforce the #patent and thus dismissed the case for lack of Article III standing." https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/06/infringement-standing-question.html [01:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | The Right to Sue for Infringement is no longer a Standing Question | Patently-O [01:42] techrights-bot/fn The #patent extremists LOVE conflating PATENTING with "invention". Those are NOT the same thing... [01:44] techrights-bot/fn #USPTO has long oppressed people based on class, so it's cheap and easy to pretend not to be doing that based on race https://www.patentdocs.org/2021/06/uspto-closed-on-june-18-for-juneteenth-national-independence-day.html [01:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patentdocs.org | Patent Docs: USPTO Closed on June 18 in Observance of Juneteenth National Independence Day [01:45] techrights-bot/fn #fakepatents or #swpats in "Games" clothing https://www.mathys-squire.com/insights-and-events/news/level-up-your-ip-strategy-the-patentability-of-video-games-in-the-uk-and-europe/ [01:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mathys-squire.com | Level up your IP strategy: the patentability of video games in the UK and Europe - Mathys & Squire LLP [01:47] techrights-bot/fn This decision is moot because of those boards patently lack an autonomy and they're captured by #patent maximalists who mere rubber-stamp everything https://www.cms-lawnow.com/ealerts/2021/06/european-patent-office-appeal-board-decision-on-product-by-process-bispecific-antibody-claim?cc_lang=en see http://techrights.org/2021/06/20/the-epo-games/ [01:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cms-lawnow.com | European Patent Office Appeal Board decision on product-by-process bispecific antibody claim [01:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Virtual Injustice Part 13: Let the Games Continue | Techrights [01:49] techrights-bot/fn More bickering over who 'invented' nature and life; this is beyond insane, the realm of the deranged and the lobbyists trying to privatise everything https://www.patentdocs.org/2021/06/cvc-opposes-broads-motion-to-exclude-evidence-and-broad-files-reply.html [01:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patentdocs.org | Patent Docs: CVC Opposes Broad's Motion to Exclude Evidence and Broad Files Reply [01:50] techrights-bot/fn "The Federal Circuit has affirmed the TTABs decision refusing to register FocusVisions eponymous mark FOCUSVISION after being opposed by IBI based upon its FOCUS marks." #uspto #trademarks #cafc https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/06/vision-dupont-factors.html [01:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Focus Your Vision on the DuPont Factors | Patently-O [01:51] techrights-bot/fn Oooh, wow! An "in-display fingerprint sensor"... sounds like... something that's hardly a feature to you https://bgr.com/tech/galaxy-z-fold-3-rumors-under-panel-camera-fingerprint-sensor-patent-5933040/ [01:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Samsungs biggest Galaxy Fold 3 upgrades might have leaked BGR [01:53] techrights-bot/fn #Patents that just kill millions of people for profit (and no other purpose) https://science.thewire.in/health/the-divergent-paths-of-drug-prices-in-india-and-the-us/ [01:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-science.thewire.in | The Divergent Paths of Drug Prices in India and the US - The Wire Science [01:55] techrights-bot/fn Hyping up #medicine with terms like "personalised" to justify #patents on life and #nature https://www.iam-media.com/personalised-medicine-in-brazil-ip-and-regulatory-challenges [01:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iam-media.com | Personalised medicine in Brazil: IP and regulatory challenges | IAM [01:58] techrights-bot/fn More mechanisms for #taxevasion using #patents and #trademarks https://news.bloombergtax.com/daily-tax-report-international/germany-new-legislation-on-wht-relief-anti-treaty-shopping-and-transfer-pricing #de #germany [01:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.bloombergtax.com | NO TITLE [01:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 21.91 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 56.63 swarm size (avg): 301.96 ● Jun 21 [02:00] techrights-bot/fn #QOwnNotes 21.6.4 https://www.neowin.net/news/qownnotes-2164/ #freesw #gpl #copyleft [02:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.neowin.net | QOwnNotes 21.6.4 - Neowin [02:02] techrights-bot/fn When did days and figures of feminism/antiracism etc. becomes just marketing opportunists/stunts/tokens of large, racist, oppressive corporations? Was it always this bad? [02:03] techrights-bot/fn Linuxs Built-In Tools for Data Recovery and Backup - Influencive https://www.influencive.com/linuxs-built-in-tools-for-data-recovery-and-backup/ #influencive #gnu #linux [02:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux's Built-In Tools for Data Recovery and Backup - Influencive [02:06] techrights-bot/fn This firm is embroiled in a #corruption scandal and lawsuits; it doesn't seem to know that the Boards of Appeal of the #EPO are besieged and compromised; it probably does not care either ( #patent maximalsits thrive in mischief and entryism) https://www.marks-clerk.com/insights/to-disclose-or-not-to-disclose-that-is-the-question/ [02:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.marks-clerk.com | To disclose, or not to disclose? That is the question. [02:08] techrights-bot/fn Getting #patents on #mathematics in #taiwan http://www.wisdomlaw.com.tw/m/405-1596-102872,c12252.php?Lang=en #swpats are in need of abolishing globally, ASAP [02:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wisdomlaw.com.tw | How to patent computer software in Taiwan? New Taiwan Patent Examination Guidelines for Computer Software-Related Inventions explained [02:08] techrights-bot/fn ILLEGAL #epo "provision which purported to empower the Boards to decide appeal cases by means of ViCo hearings conducted without the consent of the parties." http://techrights.org/2021/06/20/the-epo-games/ [02:10] techrights-bot/fn Introducing IRC.com by #freenode https://freenode.net/news/introducing-irc what their plan is... with what's left of the network... [02:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net | Introducing IRC.com by freenode - freenode [02:10] schestowitz XRevan86: ^^^ [02:11] schestowitz "freenode is IRC. freenode is FOSS. freenode is freedom. Ask not what you can do for freenode, but what freenode will do for you. IRC is back!" [02:11] schestowitz huh? [02:14] XRevan86 > Share it with your friends as IRC and FOSS are no longer walled gardens [02:15] XRevan86 schestowitz: Why does it feel like he reinvented Matrix but fully centralised? [02:18] XRevan86 Or no, I'm confused. How does this bouncer work exactly to deliver all this fancy stuff? [02:19] techrights-bot/fn Fete de la Musique and why I dont use Google http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152499 [02:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fete de la Musique and why I dont use Google | Tux Machines [02:20] techrights-bot/fn Review: #CloudReady and #TrueNAS Core http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152500 [02:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Review: CloudReady and TrueNAS Core | Tux Machines [02:20] XRevan86 schestowitz: I'll go look for the source code of the Android client. [02:21] schestowitz cool [02:23] XRevan86 schestowitz: Unsuccessful. [02:23] XRevan86 schestowitz: It is so FOSS is ascended beyond the need to publish the source code. [02:24] schestowitz android and anonymity are not compatible [02:24] schestowitz maybe not yet [02:25] schestowitz [01:36] i setup a way for people to chat anonymously in #anonchan - https://github.com/realrasengan/anonbot <-- you can download yourself if you'd like to setup (just requires nodejs/npm) xD [02:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - realrasengan/anonbot: Anonchan is the bot that powers #anonchan on freenode, the place to chat anonymously. [02:25] schestowitz [02:39] thanks, wish you'd have a self-hosted git repo tbh [02:25] schestowitz [02:41] http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_Github [02:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Delete Github - Techrights [02:25] schestowitz [02:44] ah true, i'll move everything to git.freenode.net soon xD [02:25] schestowitz [02:44] its pretty cool though you can just go to #anonchan with your main nick and start chatting basically xD [02:25] schestowitz [02:45] and type !new to get another id if you feel like youre exposed xD [02:25] schestowitz [02:52] yes, it can be useful [02:25] schestowitz [02:52] if the trolling can be tamed somewhat [02:25] schestowitz [02:52] we need anon irc [02:25] schestowitz [02:52] for leakers and whistleblowers [02:25] schestowitz [02:52] agreed :o [02:25] schestowitz [02:52] who don't ahve vpn [02:25] schestowitz [02:52] Maybe techrights can run a techrights-anon haha ;) [02:25] schestowitz [02:53] we thought about using gemini:// [02:25] schestowitz [02:53] but it's not secure enough yet [02:25] schestowitz [02:53] ah ic [02:25] schestowitz [02:53] the #anonchan is pretty secure but it gets more secure with more ppl [02:25] schestowitz [02:54] right now there are 12 ppl so you can 'kinda' assume who ppl are maybe [02:25] schestowitz [02:54] but if there were 500 it would be very hard [02:26] schestowitz [02:56] we spent years explaining why privacy and sec projects don't belong in NSA Prism (GitHub/Microsoft) [02:26] schestowitz [02:57] they can modify the source and binaries (and do) [02:26] schestowitz [02:57] true :X [02:26] schestowitz XRevan86: could this be related to anonbot? [02:26] CrystalMath it would be good to check the self-hosted repo [02:26] XRevan86 schestowitz: I don't see how. [02:27] CrystalMath but i believe that this new mobile client stuff is based on prawnsalad's work [02:27] XRevan86 https://apkpure.com/irc-com/com.irc.ircclient/versions exists at least for a year. [02:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://apkpure.com/irc-com/com.irc.ircclient/versions ) [02:28] CrystalMath so it might be useful to check kiwi stuff [02:28] techrights-bot/fn Links 21/6/2021: Linux 5.13 RC7, IRC.com by Freenode http://techrights.org/2021/06/20/linux-5-13-rc7/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/20/linux-5-13-rc7/ [02:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 21/6/2021: Linux 5.13 RC7, IRC.com by Freenode | Techrights [02:28] XRevan86 CrystalMath: I did check. [02:29] techrights-bot/fn #Linux and the Logo/Mascot http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152502 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux and the Logo/Mascot | Tux Machines [02:29] techrights-bot/fn Software: Backup, QOwnNotes, and IRC http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152501 [02:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Software: Backup, QOwnNotes, and IRC | Tux Machines [02:32] XRevan86 Not going to find IRC.com in F-Droid any time soon. [02:32] schestowitz we need to see source code [02:32] schestowitz seems like a domain harvesting operation [02:32] schestowitz buying a community takes more than this [02:32] schestowitz also, regarding privacy, the trust is lost [02:32] schestowitz they don't understand some of the very basics [02:33] schestowitz [02:57] you don't always get what you see [02:33] schestowitz [02:58] I am looking into your project [02:33] schestowitz [02:59] btw, npn=microsoft and they often ship malware [02:33] schestowitz [02:59] and then the media blames "open source" [02:33] schestowitz [02:59] did you wrote all this js code? [02:33] schestowitz [03:00] "/home/shellsuser/Software/anonbot/.password" [02:33] schestowitz [03:00] shells is cenralised [02:33] schestowitz [03:01] I saw one shells puff piece today [02:33] schestowitz [03:01] I assume your brother alex paid for it [02:33] schestowitz [03:04] ah yeah thats true re npm :x [02:33] schestowitz [03:04] ah yeah i am running it on a shells vm ;x [02:33] schestowitz [03:04] as a rule of thumb, based on history and experience, every anonymity and crypto project that's effective is a targe, along with people who work on it [02:33] schestowitz [03:04] shells is outside the user's full control [02:33] schestowitz [03:05] that's like running signal on a 'phone' [02:33] schestowitz [03:05] the towers (networks) control it remotely over the co-processor [02:33] schestowitz [03:05] that is true [02:33] schestowitz [03:05] https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/ [02:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wikileaks.org | Vault7 - Home [02:33] schestowitz [03:05] there are exploits already [02:33] schestowitz [03:07] ah yeah i am familiar with that [02:33] schestowitz [03:07] we need to think ahead [02:33] schestowitz [03:07] I'm happy to give input [02:33] schestowitz [03:22] i agree. and any input is definitely well appreciated! [02:33] schestowitz ---fin--- [02:33] schestowitz nothing sensitive in thee [02:33] schestowitz but the point is, there are mistakes along the way [02:33] schestowitz in the way this thing is handled [02:33] schestowitz and many holes [02:34] XRevan86 https://irc.com/blog/development-updates "We sponsored the development of the InspIRCd IRC server so that we have a stable, well tested and progressive codebase to build upon" [02:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-IRC.com | Blog | Development updates [02:35] techrights-bot/fn "Sponsoring the development of the #KiwiIRC client allowed the web based project to flourish faster than before. While still very much a community based effort, some development additions has only be possible with the extra development support." https://irc.com/blog/development-updates [02:35] schestowitz the page is undated [02:35] schestowitz could be very old [02:35] schestowitz ""Sponsoring the development of the #KiwiIRC client allowed the web based project to flourish faster than before. While still very much a community based effort, some development additions has only be possible with the extra development support." https://irc.com/blog/development-updates" [02:35] schestowitz "~Darren Whitlen (or if you see me on IRC - prawnsalad!)" [02:35] schestowitz Was this BEFORE or after their dispute? [02:36] schestowitz "For the people that know the ins-and-outs of IRC or use telnet as their client, all the same expected functionality still exists at irc.irc.com, TLS 6697." [02:36] XRevan86 schestowitz: It being old is what makes it interesting. [02:36] XRevan86 It's way before. [02:36] schestowitz "© 2020 IRC.com, LLC" [02:36] schestowitz 2020 [02:36] schestowitz from page source (and page) [02:36] XRevan86 The post is from 2019-04-30 [02:36] techrights-bot/fn *** *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-200621.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-200621.txt Read the log now... [02:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell-social @ FreeNode: Sunday, June 20, 2021 [02:37] techrights-bot/fn "Head on over to the Android Play store or the iOS App store and download, install and login!" We cannot find source code, though... https://irc.com/blog/introducing-irc-com-by-freenode [02:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-IRC.com | Blog | Introducing IRC.com by freenode [02:37] techrights-bot/fn *** *** Yesterday's #techrights IRC logs ready. 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[02:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: Sunday, June 20, 2021 [02:39] XRevan86 Clearly prawnsalad had other plans other than continuation of ircd-seven [02:39] AdmFubar https://morrick.me/archives/9368 [02:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-morrick.me | Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess | Riccardo Mori [02:39] schestowitz proprietary [02:39] techrights-bot/fn *** *** Yesterday's #techbytes IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-200621.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-200621.txt Read the log now... [02:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techbytes @ FreeNode: Sunday, June 20, 2021 [02:40] schestowitz mess by default [02:40] XRevan86 schestowitz: IRC.com? It is. [02:41] schestowitz I don't understand it [02:41] schestowitz IRC is not so hard [02:41] XRevan86 "IRC and FOSS are no longer walled gardens" thanks to some proprietary applications. [02:41] schestowitz many clients existed already [02:41] schestowitz so, what is new? [02:41] techrights-bot/fn *** *** Yesterday's bulletin ready. http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2021-06-20.txt [02:41] schestowitz the glorified domain? [02:41] XRevan86 schestowitz: Oh, these aren't IRC clients exactly. [02:41] schestowitz Takeover of a large network? [02:41] schestowitz with a shotgun wedding? [02:41] schestowitz it's chaos for communities [02:42] schestowitz for someone's business ambitions [02:42] XRevan86 schestowitz: IRC cannot do push notifications [02:43] schestowitz either way, mobile? [02:43] XRevan86 However, one can make an additional layer over IRC that can. [02:43] schestowitz yes, well... [02:43] schestowitz or use another protocol [02:43] schestowitz we added online scrollback for ours [02:43] schestowitz like [02:43] schestowitz Full logs (past days) in http://techrights.org/category/irc-logs/ and latest below. [02:43] *schestowitz has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [02:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Logs | Techrights [02:43] XRevan86 matrix-appservice-irc, yes %). [02:44] *schestowitz (~roy@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [02:44] *irc.techrights.org sets mode +q #techrights schestowitz [02:44] schestowitz sorry, pasted the wrong thing [02:44] schestowitz gemini://gemini.techrights.org/chat/index.gmi [02:46] XRevan86 matterbridge supports nctalk [02:46] schestowitz yes, so no major innovation there [02:46] schestowitz what is the point of it all? [02:46] schestowitz people use IRC not for "mobile" [02:47] schestowitz free software hackers like IRC for particular reasons [02:47] schestowitz so this sort of tackles the wrong issue, while causing disruption to those who actually grew up on IRC [02:47] schestowitz the intention is not bad [02:47] schestowitz but... [02:47] schestowitz whether they will pull it off... [02:47] schestowitz irc.com may launch [02:48] schestowitz but the freenode userbase is mostly gone [02:48] XRevan86 Well, the idea isn't all bad. But the implementation raises a question: if IRV is to be like that, what's the worth of IRC? [02:48] schestowitz buying a userbase is hard [02:48] schestowitz like walking a horse to water and forcing it to also drink up [02:51] schestowitz either way, watch this space... [02:51] schestowitz maybe I'm being far too sceptical [02:51] schestowitz and maybe he has a trick up his sleeve [02:52] XRevan86 https://reports.exodus-privacy.eu.org/en/reports/106510/ mmmm [02:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-reports.exodus-privacy.eu.org | xodus [02:52] schestowitz e.g. to bring many to irc.com through some partner or channel [02:52] schestowitz and then bring an influx of ircv3 users [02:52] schestowitz maybe... [02:53] techrights-bot/fn #irccom #freenode #privacy #ProprietarySoftware https://reports.exodus-privacy.eu.org/en/reports/106510/ [02:53] schestowitz "RECORD_AUDIO" [02:53] schestowitz nice [02:53] schestowitz for IRC [02:54] XRevan86 schestowitz: It also has no network selector, which is to be expected. Cool wallpaper though. [02:55] schestowitz are you running it? [02:55] XRevan86 schestowitz: I dared to run it, yes. It's surprisingly slow for a greeting screen with two buttons. [02:55] techrights-bot/fn #Exerscent is a remote olfactory assessment system | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/06/21/exerscent-is-a-remote-olfactory-assessment-system/ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/21/#latest [02:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | Exerscent is a remote olfactory assessment system | Arduino Blog [02:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [02:56] schestowitz if it has no network selector, then it is vendor lockin [02:56] schestowitz and freenode is losing many channels and users [02:56] schestowitz XRevan86: it's beta [02:56] schestowitz maybe crash reports and debugging data [02:56] XRevan86 schestowitz: Can't save IRC and FOSS out of walled gardens without a bit of proprietary vendor lock-in. [02:57] schestowitz maybe they had to rush to this ircd for compatibility with this "app"? [02:57] schestowitz 5 days after the chaos? [02:57] activelow and this app was sponsored by the prince too? asking since i can't belive it. [02:57] XRevan86 activelow: Yes. [02:58] activelow I do not believe in the story either it was only this christel involved with the deals. [02:58] XRevan86 schestowitz: Possibly at least partially. The data wipe was still just for the heck of it, it's a separate issue. [02:58] techrights-bot/fn "Josh and Kurt talk about how our environment affects our behavior, and in turn our level of security. We often ignore whats happening around us when everything is related." https://opensourcesecurity.io/2021/06/20/episode-276-security-behavior-and-the-environment/ [02:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensourcesecurity.io | Episode 276 Security, behavior, and the environment Open Source Security [02:59] techrights-bot/fn Writing a Controller for Pod Labels https://kubernetes.io/blog/2021/06/21/writing-a-controller-for-pod-labels/ #kubernetes #server [02:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kubernetes.io | Writing a Controller for Pod Labels | Kubernetes [02:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 20.26 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 35.48 swarm size (avg): 301.73 [02:59] techrights-bot/fn #nigeria https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/three-students-dead-after-nigeria-school-kidnapping-says-principal-2021-06-20 ● Jun 21 [03:00] XRevan86 schestowitz: I cannot say with confidence that they could've achieved the same stuff with Solanum, I just don't know what they even need out of IRCd for IRC.com. [03:01] *TechrightsBot-tr has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:01] techrights-bot/fn #googlenews is defunct. It keeps enlisting all sorts of #plagiarism hubs instead of actual news sites. Now "Chiang Rai Times". Is anyone at all staffed to curate and check what they syndicate? This is awful neglect. [03:01] XRevan86 schestowitz: Also considering that the application hasn't updated since last year, it should still connect to IRC.com as a server. But rasengan has already made an announcement with "try it out". [03:02] XRevan86 I'm curious what is up with that. Is freenode integrated with irc.com on the IRC level now? [03:02] *TechrightsBot-tr (~TR@ju4kayhrhsm6a.irc) has joined #techrights [03:02] TechrightsBot-tr Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77 [03:03] activelow *do not believe the story [03:04] XRevan86 activelow: Clarify which story. [03:05] schestowitz [02:58] I do not believe in the story either it was only this christel involved with the deals. [03:05] schestowitz pia->ltm->kape->gambling company [03:05] schestowitz christel seems to have worked for them at one point [03:05] schestowitz based on the emails, she was eager to as well... needed the money [03:05] activelow the story told by the staff who resigned and operate libera now [03:06] XRevan86 schestowitz: I thought only in freenode, Ltd. on the board. [03:06] schestowitz of the above four companies, I trust none [03:06] schestowitz all are dodgy [03:06] techrights-ipfs-bot Gemini requests since start of month: 126386 total Total pages: 35912 Active: active (running) since Tue 2021-06-08 16:18:39 BST; 1 weeks 5 days ago [03:06] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS local node stats (past 23 hours) calculated. TotalIn: 2.1 GB TotalOut: 523 MB [03:06] techrights-ipfs-bot New daily bulletin just generated. It is about to be added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with CID [03:08] techrights-ipfs-bot QmacoxEMNBvXGjkyn4JfrL8LyXBMaArcxAJPBaNoTymtHV [03:08] XRevan86 activelow: Ye mean, that the sell was done by Christel with having the rest of staff at an arm's length? [03:09] techrights-bot/fn Why is #euipo getting involved in #copyrights at all? https://www.mondaq.com/uk/copyright/1080936/european-union-intellectual-property-office-launches-out-of-commerce-works-portal Overstretching and abusing immunity http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EUIPO [03:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | European Union Intellectual Property Office Launches Out-of-Commerce Works Portal - Intellectual Property - European Union [03:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EUIPO - Techrights [03:09] activelow i think they are acting in good faith now, but their stories told and resignation letters aren't plausible [03:09] XRevan86 I don't have the evidence to the contrary, nor the reason not to trust that. [03:10] XRevan86 activelow: I think that their side of the story held up much better so far. [03:10] schestowitz ok, so where do we go from here, re freenode? what is their plan? seems to me they have a sort of a plan, but it did not work out [03:10] schestowitz they thought they could just herd people over to "apps" and stuff... [03:10] schestowitz and the app does have trackers [03:10] schestowitz so maybe Kape et al wanted to do some more 'date brokering' [03:11] schestowitz with the IRC userbase? [03:11] XRevan86 schestowitz: Probably not enough trackers for that. [03:12] XRevan86 The truly abysmal stuff has way-way more. [03:12] techrights-bot/fn "Cortex-A5 processor running Linux, which could make it the worlds smallest #Linux module." https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/06/14/hanesom-is-a-4-cm2-arm-linux-module-powered-by-microchip-sama5d2-sip/amp/ [03:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | HaneSOM is a 4 cm2 Arm Linux module powered by Microchip SAMA5D2 SiP - CNX Software [03:12] techrights-bot/fn #LinuxActionNews 194 https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/145367/linux-action-news-194/ #gnu #linux [03:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jupiterbroadcasting.com | Linux Action News 194 | Jupiter Broadcasting [03:13] schestowitz Should I try to speak to Lee? [03:13] schestowitz maybe I can ask the hard questions... [03:13] XRevan86 schestowitz: Move the last bot over first. [03:14] techrights-bot/fn #RasPad 3 Review Part 2: A #RaspberryPi 4 mini PC with integrated display https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/06/21/raspad-3-review-raspberry-pi-4-mini-pc-with-integrated-display/ [03:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | RasPad 3 Review - Part 2: A Raspberry Pi 4 mini PC with integrated display - CNX Software [03:15] schestowitz XRevan86: why? you worry they'd ban me for it? [03:15] XRevan86 schestowitz: Not really, but he's way too volatile for my liking. [03:16] schestowitz ah, so better not ask.. [03:17] saint_dogbert/fn yeah... when I asked him who hosted freenode.net, the possibility of me being k-lined was flaunted [03:18] techrights-bot/fn Why is the EPO's #greenwashing #propaganda being cites as some sort of credible source? PR is not science. https://mercomindia.com/new-charge-storage-method-rechargeability/ see http://techrights.org/2021/04/27/epo-greenwashing-stunts/ [03:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mercomindia.com | New Charge Storage Method Could Allow Rechargeability in Calcium-Air Batteries - Mercom India [03:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPO Abuses Climate Change, Hijacking or Misusing Grassroots Activism for Corporate Public Relations Stunts | Techrights [03:19] schestowitz samiamsam: wow, for that alone? [03:19] schestowitz maybe he worries about ddos [03:19] schestowitz maybe they hide some very outdated stack [03:19] schestowitz it seems to be hosted at http://5.63.147.125/ [03:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Connection timed out after 10001 milliseconds ( status 0 @ http://5.63.147.125/ ) [03:20] saint_dogbert/fn something. But yeah, the gist of it was that if I kept asking, I'd be k-lined [03:20] schestowitz https://www.findip-address.com/ [03:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.findip-address.com | Find IP Address - Lookup and locate an ip address [03:20] XRevan86 schestowitz: Or considers anyone who asks way too many questions an enemy of freedom [03:20] schestowitz domain100tb.com [03:20] saint_dogbert/fn I can't get any of the previous staffers to talk about who hosts the site either [03:20] saint_dogbert/fn and not for a lack of trying [03:21] schestowitz saint_dogbert it takes less time to answer the question than to issue a threat [03:21] saint_dogbert/fn strange considering that some of them used to discuss the low level network stuff with me previously [03:21] saint_dogbert/fn Yep [03:21] schestowitz apparently for about 5 years it was on http://5.63.147.125/ [03:22] schestowitz and I guess their http daemon only communicates with clownflare [03:22] XRevan86 saint_dogbert: Ye mean the Hetzner VPS with webchat? [03:22] schestowitz XRevan86: are you good at IRC toolware [sic]? [03:22] schestowitz all sorts of little self-hosted bits and bobs? [03:22] schestowitz because years ago I tried self-hosting webchat for irc [03:22] XRevan86 saint_dogbert: Because we know where the static part (Jekyll) of the website is hosted: GitHub Pages. [03:23] schestowitz and dependencies-wise we had issues [03:23] XRevan86 schestowitz: I'm more of an XMPP person. [03:23] schestowitz XRevan86: for LC [03:23] saint_dogbert/fn XRevan86: Then you know much more about it than I do [03:23] schestowitz also freenode? [03:23] saint_dogbert/fn ::D [03:23] schestowitz iirc, only lc [03:23] schestowitz I still have that code on our server, but chmod 000 [03:24] XRevan86 schestowitz: Yes, saint_dogbert was asking about LC, so I answered about LC. [03:24] schestowitz for security reasons, I never got it working properly back then... almost 5 years ago [03:24] schestowitz LC has many red flags to me [03:24] schestowitz I'd never fork over a channel to there [03:24] schestowitz no point [03:24] schestowitz it'll end up in tears :-) [03:25] schestowitz BTW, I can make it possible to drop messages into IRC easily [03:25] schestowitz but it would likely result in spam and abuse [03:25] XRevan86 schestowitz: I still think that techrights freenode is on a much shakier ground. [03:25] schestowitz XRevan86: yes, but we're already there [03:25] schestowitz that's the sole reason [03:26] schestowitz that's also why I tried defending FN for weeks [03:26] schestowitz until they hijacked 700 or so channels for 'offending' /topic [03:27] XRevan86 schestowitz: Yea, but moving every person to self-hosting is a much harder job. [03:27] techrights-bot/fn #EPO should encourage medicine sharing, not hoarding and patenting, but at the moment it's controlled, by proxy, by litigation firms and their largest clients. https://www.mathys-squire.com/insights-and-events/news/extending-protection-patent-strategies-for-pharmaceutical-products-at-the-epo/ [03:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mathys-squire.com | Extending protection: Patent strategies for pharmaceutical products at the EPO - Mathys & Squire LLP [03:28] XRevan86 schestowitz: So if techrights had immediately gotten a presence in three networks, I think the freenode side would've emptied out in a matter of weeks. [03:28] techrights-bot/fn "Section 72 of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 (CDPA) creates an exception to copyright infringement that permits the free showing of a broadcast and certain copyright elements in places where the public has free access." https://www.mondaq.com/uk/copyright/1080952/intellectual-property-office-publishes-call-for-views-in-relation-to-a-review-of-the-removal-in-2016-of-the-c [03:28] techrights-bot/fn opyright-exception-for-showing-publicly [03:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | Intellectual Property Office Publishes Call For Views In Relation To A Review Of The Removal In 2016 Of The Copyright Exception For Showing Publicly Accessible Films - Intellectual Property - UK [03:29] schestowitz [03:27] schestowitz: Yea, but moving every person to self-hosting is a much harder job. [03:29] XRevan86 And now we're kind of stuck with it now. Some people just won't move to irc.techrights.org [03:29] schestowitz it is, but centralisation was always easier... in the SHORT RUN [03:29] schestowitz that's why Twitter and Facebook exist [03:29] schestowitz or Microsoft grossly overpaid for the BS that's LinkedIn (still layoffs) [03:30] schestowitz XRevan86: you say "emptied" [03:30] schestowitz but very little comes from FN regardless [03:30] schestowitz saint_dogbert is one of the few [03:30] schestowitz and not because we asked for it [03:30] schestowitz that's just how it happened [03:30] schestowitz presence in another big network would have impeded autonomy [03:30] XRevan86 schestowitz: But we also have less people than before just coming in asking questions. [03:31] schestowitz we didn't have that many before [03:31] schestowitz so that's inapplicable [03:31] XRevan86 schestowitz: It would've split the influence between the two big networks. Not evenly. [03:32] *job (~job@92hej83cu4x5n.irc) has joined #techrights [03:32] schestowitz those networks are part of the problem [03:32] schestowitz apps are also a red flag [03:32] schestowitz I used an android app for irc ages ago as an experiment on a tablet [03:32] schestowitz techrights is generally not into those "app" so-called 'ecosystems' [03:33] schestowitz they pose dangers and problems [03:33] schestowitz they're not so new and innovative either [03:33] schestowitz except the buzz, like 'Smart" [03:33] CrystalMath did we used to get a lot of new people coming in? [03:33] CrystalMath i felt like i'm the only one new in a long time :P [03:33] CrystalMath and that was years ago [03:33] CrystalMath also.. [03:33] CrystalMath i found you on *twitter* :P [03:33] CrystalMath and i don't even use twitter! [03:34] techrights-bot/fn #EuropeanCommission in bed with "Big Business" https://www.mondaq.com/uk/trademark/1079198/european-commission-consults-on-eu-wide-geographical-indications-for-non-agricultural-products [03:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | European Commission Consults On EU-wide Geographical Indications For Non-agricultural Products - Intellectual Property - European Union [03:34] XRevan86 I feel like the amount of different people that say things reduced considerably. [03:34] CrystalMath but i saw the tweets through nitter or Twitter Classic and i saw you're working for some just causes [03:35] schestowitz [03:33] did we used to get a lot of new people coming in? [03:35] XRevan86 Anyway, if the existing dependency on freenode is small enough that cutting the cord would barely make a dent, then in this case it's not really a problem. [03:35] schestowitz people sometimes come in from the site [03:36] schestowitz social control media also a possibility [03:36] schestowitz not by running /list on a network [03:36] schestowitz we used to have people run /list and searching "novell" [03:36] schestowitz then come to ask us for novell technical support [03:36] schestowitz obv. that was a major waste of tiem [03:36] schestowitz XRevan86: no, not in this channel [03:36] schestowitz as many people as before the chaos [03:37] schestowitz it was almost about a dozen people active [03:37] schestowitz IRC isn't like Twitter [03:37] schestowitz the connection between channels is minimal [03:37] schestowitz not like a 'hashtag' network [03:37] schestowitz this means that the benefit you get from a massive and wide network aren't the same [03:38] schestowitz to speak to people you typically need to enter channels where they are first [03:38] schestowitz sometimes that depends on how the network is set up (to reduce spam/floods) [03:40] XRevan86 I wonder why superkuh left. He was here at some point. [03:41] *job has quit (connection closed) [03:41] XRevan86 schestowitz: The problem with giving the freenode side as an example is also that freenode is dying, so it's no longer representative of what it's like to have a presence in a big network. [03:42] techrights-bot/fn ANDREW ORLOWSKI (I assume same as El Reg one) boosting corrupt #trump and propping up the myth of "intellectual property" with words like "theft". Really disappointing and not too shocking it's in the #TORYgraph https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/06/17/silicon-valley-must-not-allowed-steal-britains-biggest-asset/ [03:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.telegraph.co.uk | Silicon Valley must not be allowed to steal Britains biggest asset our brainpower [03:43] schestowitz XRevan86: superkuh was never very active [03:43] schestowitz and also relatively new [03:43] XRevan86 schestowitz: But for someone to stay in the channel people set-up a bouncer, and the way people do that varies greatly. [03:43] schestowitz also, maybe he was banned by FN, who knows... [03:44] schestowitz IIRC, he was on this network at one point and might come back [03:44] XRevan86 schestowitz: I mean on irc.techrights.org [03:44] schestowitz people who CARE enough about the site come here [03:44] schestowitz people who care less or don't care won't bother [03:44] schestowitz it's easier to use a general-purpose network to abuse [03:44] schestowitz which is what LC can accomplish [03:45] schestowitz also, just to be clear: [03:46] schestowitz number of people "online" [03:46] schestowitz is not number of people active [03:46] schestowitz being active does not mean contributing [03:46] schestowitz it can actively detract too [03:46] schestowitz just like number of Twitter "followers" doesn't tell you anything about number of fakes [03:46] schestowitz it's easy and cheap to by fakes [03:46] schestowitz but they would add no real value, just help game some numbers [03:47] schestowitz for IRC to be useful to us we need high s/n ratio [03:47] schestowitz and people who care, not "signal" that's just abusive [03:47] schestowitz like fighting the Google troll [03:47] schestowitz over things unrelated to tech [03:47] XRevan86 schestowitz: I'm curious about how strong the default cloaking is on ergo [03:47] schestowitz case of point: https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/ [03:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | The Gemini 2021 Archive by thread [03:47] schestowitz it used to be very busy [03:48] schestowitz but busy with total bullshit [03:48] XRevan86 schestowitz: As we both know a person that left because they no longer have a cloak. [03:48] schestowitz now it is moderated, but s/n ratio improves a lot so people aren't put off as much [03:49] schestowitz leah? [03:49] XRevan86 schestowitz: Regarding abuse, it's not as clear cut, as troll may get a ban before they reach this channel. [03:49] schestowitz who gets to decide? [03:49] schestowitz not you [03:49] XRevan86 schestowitz: No, but ye masked their nick when quoting, so I'm not disclosing. [03:49] schestowitz maybe some politically motivated irc cop [03:51] techrights-bot/fn "Section 62 of the TM Act mandates that a collective mark shall not be registered if it is likely to deceive or cause confusion on the part of the public and in particular if it is likely to be taken to be something other than a collective mark." https://spicyip.com/2021/06/collective-marks-a-tale-of-collective-confusion-at-the-registry.html [03:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Collective Marks: A Tale of Collective Confusion at the Registry | SpicyIP [03:52] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has left #techrights [03:52] schestowitz "Kluwer Patent Blog featured an interview with Kevin Mooney, one of the movers behind the Unified Patent Court (UPC), concerning the UPCs fate in light of the constitutional challenge in Germany. Mooney explained why he thinks the current constitutional challenge will not delay Germanys ratification as much, as the previous constitutional challenge did" [03:52] schestowitz http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/06/11/kevin-mooney-new-years-of-delay-for-unified-patent-court-unlikely/ [03:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Kevin Mooney: New years of delay for Unified Patent Court unlikely - Kluwer Patent Blog [03:52] schestowitz relaying UPC lies [03:54] techrights-bot/fn Tasteless and disgusting: Using #covid19 to push this Intellectual [sic] Property [sic] #propaganda even though #patents are in fact killing people right now. https://thinkfide.com/the-role-of-ip-in-a-post-crisis-world-global-digital-encounters-vol-1/ [03:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thinkfide.com | The Role of IP in a Post-Crisis World - Global Digital Encounters Vol.1 | Fundacion Fide [03:57] techrights-bot/fn This service is maintained by the Federated Networks Association [03:57] schestowitz It is laughable nonsense -- and outright offensive, I think -- to say "Africa is rising" by basically adopting the very means of colonialism, oppression, extraction and exploitation sheltered behind lies such as Intellectual [sic] Property [sic] Rights [sic] https://www.marques.org/blogs/class46/?XID=BHA5000 [03:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.marques.org | MARQUES [03:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 25.00 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 73.71 swarm size (avg): 301.78 [03:59] techrights-bot/fn #SoftwarePatents = worthless #junk https://www.natlawreview.com/article/yu-v-apple-transubstantiation-camera-abstract-idea #swpats #cafc [03:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.natlawreview.com | Fed. Circuit Yu v Apple Specialized Camera Claim Patent-Ineligible ● Jun 21 [04:01] techrights-bot/fn There's no such thing as "AI patents"; they're software patents disguised using superficial and usually misplaced buzzwords https://www.natlawreview.com/article/did-ai-patents-help-avev-related-companies-get-acquired-apple see http://techrights.org/2021/06/17/heli-pihlajamaa-swpats/ [04:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.natlawreview.com | Apple Bought the Most AI Companies: Especially EV/AV Related [04:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Heli Pihlajamaa Promoting Software Patents to Patent Maximalists | Techrights [04:03] techrights-bot/fn Growing recognition that some #patents simply kill people. Waivers aren't the answer. Those #patent #monopolies should be tossed out and not get granted in the first place. https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/wto-intensify-talks-easing-access-covid-19-vaccines-78174537 [04:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-abcnews.go.com | WTO to intensify talks on easing access to COVID-19 vaccines - ABC News [04:03] *job (~job@92hej83cu4x5n.irc) has joined #techrights [04:04] techrights-bot/fn Some #patents simple ought not exist. They kill. https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/u-s-encouraged-by-progress-toward-vaccine-patent-waiver-1.5457706 #monopolies #patent #covid19 [04:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ctvnews.ca | Coronavirus: U.S. encouraged by progress toward vaccine patent waiver | CTV News [04:05] techrights-bot/fn #patent #litigation in #canada https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20210610005852/en/DeepRoots-Silva-Cell-Wins-Patent-Infringement-Case-Against-GreenBlue-Urban [04:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businesswire.com | DeepRoots Silva Cell Wins Patent Infringement Case Against GreenBlue Urban | Business Wire [04:06] techrights-bot/fn #Techrights Bulletin for Sunday, June 20, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [04:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives [04:06] techrights-bot/fn #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [04:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index [04:08] schestowitz XRevan86: the harder freenode shoots itself in the foot, the more fruitful IRC becomes for us [04:08] schestowitz across all networks [04:08] schestowitz people who left for a lack of cloak can get it here [04:08] schestowitz it's still a young network [04:08] CrystalMath oh, techrights is handing out cloaks? [04:09] schestowitz as for irc.com/FN, I'm merely observing now but it looks like a plan that was too optimistic [04:09] CrystalMath can i get devil/advocate/CrystalMath? :P [04:09] schestowitz CrystalMath: we already obfuscate IPs [04:09] CrystalMath i'm just joking [04:09] schestowitz it wasn't like that before [04:09] schestowitz ergo had the option [04:09] CrystalMath freenode also automatically obfuscates IPs [04:09] CrystalMath as does rizon [04:09] schestowitz in the past we'd manually wipe IPs for people who asked for it [04:09] schestowitz no, freenode shows them [04:10] schestowitz even hostnames [04:10] schestowitz worse [04:10] CrystalMath what? [04:10] schestowitz it used to do hexadecimal for mibbit iirc [04:10] CrystalMath have you checked the new freenode? [04:10] schestowitz maybe freenode does it differently now [04:10] CrystalMath yeah, inspircd [04:10] CrystalMath mode +x :) [04:10] CrystalMath it's default! [04:10] CrystalMath as is +i [04:10] CrystalMath but without +I people can see what channels you are on unless they are +s [04:10] schestowitz [02:55] <-- freed00m (~freed00m_@freenode-v2p.o8c.cufafo.IP) has left this channel ("Leaving"). [04:11] CrystalMath yep [04:11] CrystalMath freenode now autocloaks everyone, even unregistered users! [04:11] CrystalMath registered users get freenode/user/username [04:11] schestowitz could make it hard to write ban rules [04:11] CrystalMath nope, it's a one-to-one hash [04:11] schestowitz I see [04:12] CrystalMath also i think it's in pieces so you could actually get subnets as well [04:12] CrystalMath not sure about that, need to read the InspIRCd manual [04:12] CrystalMath but i mean, InspIRCd is no joke [04:13] CrystalMath irc.techrights.org's cloaking system does make bans harder as subnets cannot be extracted [04:13] techrights-bot/fn Dozens of puff pieces these past few days from English-speaking Indian press for corrupt #EPO management. Who was paid and how much? http://techrights.org/2021/05/04/epo-eia-hush-money/ [04:13] CrystalMath but you can still do specific-IP bans [04:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Already Wasting Money on Media Manipulation Campaigns for European Inventor Award | Techrights [04:13] CrystalMath and i mean, you're operred here, so like, you CAN see the real IKP [04:13] CrystalMath *IP [04:13] CrystalMath you can also k-line [04:14] CrystalMath so i think both freenode and irc.techrights.org have got things covered [04:15] schestowitz yeah [04:15] schestowitz btw, why is freenode so quiet in general? [04:15] schestowitz I mean, I would not be surprised if activity there is like 10% what it was a month ago? [04:16] schestowitz Irrespective of who is online [04:17] *job has quit (connection closed) [04:17] CrystalMath well, the great reset knocked out the matrix bridge and lots of people [04:18] CrystalMath plus i think everyone is active on #freenode :P [04:18] CrystalMath but freenode is down to about 30k [04:18] CrystalMath before the reset it was 50k [04:19] CrystalMath and i don't see any compensation for those 20k - no network grew by this much, so [04:19] CrystalMath it must be matrix users [04:19] CrystalMath which are now on matrix only [04:22] schestowitz tough luck, eh? Should have thought of that... [04:22] schestowitz they ruined my tuesday and beyond [04:22] schestowitz it's only now, 20 minutes ago, that I finally caught up [04:23] schestowitz I said it would take me until Monday to catch up fully [04:23] schestowitz I lost tons of hours due to their chaos [04:23] schestowitz but they are free to break their own network [04:23] schestowitz free as in freenode [04:24] schestowitz I'd be a lot more pissed off if I had devoted my life to being freenode staff/volunteer [04:24] schestowitz CrystalMath: what do you code in? [04:24] schestowitz maybe we can do some irc projects... [04:25] CrystalMath C [04:25] CrystalMath mostly C, sometimes assembly [04:25] KindOne/fn 25k matrix [04:25] schestowitz/fn (from FN) IRC can be enhanced [04:26] schestowitz/fn and tailor-made for projects [04:26] schestowitz/fn for instance, notifications for git actions [04:26] schestowitz/fn irc is very hookable [04:26] CrystalMath already exists :P [04:26] schestowitz/fn I'm sure that exists [04:26] CrystalMath and freenode is kinda doing something like that with a new API [04:26] schestowitz/fn kafka (apache) can also play its role [04:27] schestowitz/fn Lee's "chit" is one example [04:27] schestowitz/fn but primitive and rather useless imho [04:29] MinceR CrystalMath: custom vhosts are available, i've set one for myself, i can set one for you as well. but i don't know if ergo likes slashes in them. [04:30] MinceR 21 051141 < CrystalMath> nope, it's a one-to-one hash [04:30] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #uniToronto #Kernel The Unix background of Linux's 'file-max' and nr_open kernel limits on file descriptors https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/unix/TwoFileDescriptorLimits [04:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-utcc.utoronto.ca | Chris's Wiki :: blog/unix/TwoFileDescriptorLimits [04:30] MinceR could still be an issue for ranges [04:30] CrystalMath MinceR: i think inspircd uses those dots for networks [04:30] CrystalMath and subnets [04:30] CrystalMath but still hashes them safely [04:30] CrystalMath so the actual hash [04:30] CrystalMath of the last part of the address [04:30] CrystalMath does depend on the previous parts [04:31] CrystalMath but still, the previous parts will hash to the same thing [04:31] CrystalMath i think that's how it works, [04:31] CrystalMath that's what i would do :) [04:31] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #uniToronto A bit on ZFS's coming raidz expansion and #ZFS DVAs https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/solaris/ZFSRaidzExpansionAndDVAs [04:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-utcc.utoronto.ca | Chris's Wiki :: blog/solaris/ZFSRaidzExpansionAndDVAs [04:31] MinceR still, you can't do a whois query to find out how big the subnet is [04:31] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #KevQuirk Building A Self-Hosted Journal https://kevq.uk/building-a-self-hosted-journal/ [04:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kevq.uk | Building A Self-Hosted Journal - Kev Quirk [04:31] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #DataSwamp Using the #I2P network with #OpenBSD and #NixOS https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2021-06-20-i2p-intro.html [04:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dataswamp.org | Solene's percent % : Using the I2P network with OpenBSD and NixOS [04:33] schestowitz MinceR: an afterthought :-) [04:33] schestowitz we'll see how they cope [04:33] schestowitz if freenode becomes "great again" [04:33] schestowitz for now it's small enough [04:33] MinceR well, you can still broaden the ban as the abuser changes addresses [04:34] MinceR and nowadays they seem to abuse proxies/vpns/exit nodes more than DDNS [04:34] schestowitz wildcards can be harder [04:34] MinceR s/DDNS/dynamic addresses/ [04:35] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #EerieLinux #BSD Advance!BSD thoughts on a not-for-profit project to support *BSD (1/2) https://eerielinux.wordpress.com/2021/06/20/advancebsd-thoughts-on-a-not-for-profit-project-to-support-bsd-1-2/ [04:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-eerielinux.wordpress.com | Advance!BSD thoughts on a not-for-profit project to support *BSD (1/2) | eerielinux [04:35] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #EerieLinux #BSD Advance!BSD thoughts on a not-for-profit project to support *BSD (2/2) https://eerielinux.wordpress.com/2021/06/20/advancebsd-thoughts-on-a-not-for-profit-project-to-support-bsd-2-2/ [04:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-eerielinux.wordpress.com | Advance!BSD thoughts on a not-for-profit project to support *BSD (2/2) | eerielinux [04:38] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights Record Labels Want YouTube Rippers to Log and Share User Data https://torrentfreak.com/record-labels-want-youtube-rippers-to-log-and-share-user-data-210620/ [04:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Record Labels Want YouTube Rippers to Log and Share User Data * TorrentFreak [04:40] schestowitz I know it's dumb question [04:40] schestowitz but can you make a browser toggle down to bottom of page for a text file? [04:40] schestowitz with no "#" in it? [04:40] schestowitz and no js (obs., plain txt) [04:41] schestowitz maybe an iframe option? [04:41] schestowitz https://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_iframe.ASP [04:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.w3schools.com | HTML iframe tag [04:45] schestowitz oh, style works with iframe [04:45] schestowitz didn't know that [04:48] schestowitz Now it looks a tad better http://techrights.org/irc-channel/ [04:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Channels | Techrights [04:49] *mib_mqq7hc (~5198ee27@q8ban9vyag5t6.irc) has joined #techrights [04:50] *tr_guest|74134 (~5198ee27@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [04:50] schestowitz those are me [04:50] schestowitz just testing the above page [04:50] schestowitz freenode broke some things [04:50] schestowitz 1. my ip seems banned [04:50] schestowitz (or rate-limited) [04:50] schestowitz 2. syntax changed [04:50] schestowitz need to add "#" in parameter for channel/s to enter [04:51] schestowitz we're going to see how far we can stretch irc in its self-hosted glory [04:52] *tr_guest|74134 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [04:52] schestowitz just add to update to CHAT.freenode in gemini and www [04:52] MinceR mind you, webchats do encode their ipv4 address as hexadecimal into the username and everyone sees that [04:53] techrights-bot/fn Made some fine improvements, mostly visual ones, to http://techrights.org/irc-channel/ #techrights #irc [04:53] MinceR (i have yet to see anyone use a webchat over ipv6, so i don't know what happens then) [04:54] schestowitz MinceR: true, I've only just noticed [04:54] schestowitz for both mibbit and kiwiirc [04:55] MinceR so if you want some user to leak anonymously, they should use a real client :> [04:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 36.10 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 21.78 swarm size (avg): 302.15 ● Jun 21 [05:00] *mib_mqq7hc has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [05:01] *mib_25l6d6 (~5198ee27@kjvq8jm9s83qu.irc) has joined #techrights [05:03] *mib_25l6d6 has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [05:03] *tr_guest|45075 (~5198ee27@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [05:06] *tr_guest|45075 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:34] schestowitz wow, a lot can be accomplished with css and inframes [05:34] schestowitz no JS [05:34] schestowitz like translucent floats [05:35] schestowitz testing it now in http://techrights.org/videos/ [05:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full Videos Index [05:37] *job (~job@92hej83cu4x5n.irc) has joined #techrights [05:38] *job has quit (connection closed) [05:42] *job (~job@92hej83cu4x5n.irc) has joined #techrights [05:44] schestowitz look ma! No JavaScript (video frame within a page): http://techrights.org/videos/ [05:45] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [05:51] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #CounterPunch #Privacy Bad Data: Dancing Your Way To Digital Privacy https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/06/20/bad-data-dancing-your-way-to-digital-privacy/ [05:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bad Data: Dancing Your Way To Digital Privacy - CounterPunch.org [05:52] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #KenShirriff #OpenHardware Inside a transistorized shift register box, built in 1965 for Apollo testing http://www.righto.com/2021/06/inside-transistorized-shift-register.html [05:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.righto.com | Inside a transistorized shift register box, built in 1965 for Apollo testing [05:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 28.41 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 5.90 swarm size (avg): 302.61 ● Jun 21 [06:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 27.65 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 22.31 swarm size (avg): 303.16 ● Jun 21 [07:16] CrystalMath schestowitz: https://www.lunduke.com/2021/06/vaccine-passport-company-the-linux-foundation-requires-using-their-vaccine-passport-system-for-all-open-source-events [07:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Vaccine Passport company, The Linux Foundation, requires using their Vaccine Passport system for all Open Source events The Lunduke Journal of Technology [07:16] CrystalMath scoop [07:21] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Leaving) [07:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 30.50 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 9.00 swarm size (avg): 304.17 ● Jun 21 [08:00] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #ChristineDodrill #Shell waifud Plans https://christine.website/blog/waifud-plans-2021-06-19 [08:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-christine.website | waifud Plans - Christine Dodrill [08:00] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #RobertOCallahan #Hardware Spectre Mitigations Murder *Userspace* Performance In The Presence Of Frequent Syscalls https://robert.ocallahan.org/2021/06/spectre-mitigations-murder-userspace.html [08:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-robert.ocallahan.org | Eyes Above The Waves: Spectre Mitigations Murder *Userspace* Performance In The Presence Of Frequent Syscalls [08:01] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #Databases What Every Programmer Should Know About SSDs http://databasearchitects.blogspot.com/2021/06/what-every-programmer-should-know-about.html [08:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-databasearchitects.blogspot.com | Database Architects: What Every Programmer Should Know About SSDs [08:03] techrights-bot/fn #Microsoft #Windows TCO: #CyberScoop #ProprietarySoftware 'That horse has left the barn': Secret Service official says ransom payments have fueled [cracking] sprees https://www.cyberscoop.com/ransomware-secret-service-cyber-talks/ [08:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-'That horse has left the barn': Secret Service official says ransom payments have fueled hacking sprees - CyberScoop [08:05] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #CyberScoop #Surveillance #Privacy As vaccine passports morph into digital IDs, privacy advocates want to know that user data is protected https://www.cyberscoop.com/vaccine-passport-ibm-apple-digital-drivers-license/ [08:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-As vaccine passports morph into digital IDs, privacy advocates want to know that user data is protected - CyberScoop [08:05] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #TimesHigherEducation #Surveillance #Privacy Universities overreacting to online cheating, experts warn https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/universities-overreacting-online-cheating-experts-warn [08:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.timeshighereducation.com | Universities overreacting to online cheating, experts warn | Times Higher Education (THE) [08:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 27.58 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 9.90 swarm size (avg): 304.73 ● Jun 21 [09:11] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #InternetSociety #isoc #internet #Zambia Needs the Internet More than Ever https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2021/06/zambia-needs-the-internet-more-than-ever/ [09:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.internetsociety.org | Zambia Needs the Internet More than Ever | Internet Society [09:21] techrights-bot/fn When you realise your home is controlled remotely https://www.wfaa.com/mobile/article/news/local/texas/remote-thermostat-adjustment-texas-energy-shortage/285-5acf2bc5-54b7-4160-bffe-1f9a5ef4362a [09:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-'Woke up sweating': Some Texans shocked to find their smart thermostats were raised remotely | wfaa.com [09:38] *job has quit (connection closed) [09:40] techrights-bot/fn #esp32 https://odysee.com/@AndreasSpiess:2/test-of-battery-operated-esp32-boards:f [09:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | Test of Battery operated ESP32 Boards (Olimex, TinyPICO, EzSBC, TTGO) [09:44] *job (~job@92hej83cu4x5n.irc) has joined #techrights [09:48] techrights-bot/fn The systematic registration of IP addresses of users and the communication of their names and postal addresses to the holder of [monopolies] or to a third party in order to enable an action for damages to be brought is permissible https://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2021-06/cp210105en.pdf [09:50] techrights-bot/fn "The headline at WFAA reads: 'Woke up sweating': Some Texans shocked to find their smart thermostats were raised remotely" https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/06/19/0447209 [09:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | Texans' Smart Thermostats Raised Remotely - SoylentNews [09:54] techrights-bot/fn "A new investigative story in The Markup by Dara Kerr and Maddy Varner reveals a vast corporate dark-money operation that spent millions to make Uber and Lyft seem like paragons of racial justice." https://mamot.fr/@pluralistic/106434516111694538 [09:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mamot.fr | Cory Doctorow's linkblog: "A new investigative story in The Markup by Dara K" - La Quadrature du Net - Mastodon - Media Fdr ● Jun 21 [10:02] techrights-bot/fn "I'm concerned about a few things with modern development, and this is why my languages of choice right now are lua, python, and C; with Forth and Lisp in the "would like to use more ideas from" area:" https://hackers.town/@mjd/106437663222347557 [10:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Happy Fun Ball :amiga:: "I'm concerned about a few things with modern deve" - hackers.town [10:03] techrights-bot/fn "Out of curiosity, I set up an #IPSec roadwarrior VPN on #OpenBSD -current. The last time I did this was many years ago." https://mastodon.social/@_xhr_/106444015927638523= [10:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.social | Matthias Schmidt: "Out of curiosity, I set up an #IPSec roadwarrior " - Mastodon [10:06] techrights-bot/fn Rob Pike https://pleroma.bubbletea.dev/objects/13ba31cb-8bd0-4156-a67a-34e9f4810fec [10:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.bubbletea.dev | bubbletea.dev [10:15] techrights-bot/fn #9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: June 20th, 2021 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152503 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [10:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: June 20th, 2021 | Tux Machines [10:16] techrights-bot/fn #IRC Proceedings: Sunday, June 20, 2021 http://techrights.org/2021/06/21/irc-log-200621/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/21/irc-log-200621/ [10:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Sunday, June 20, 2021 | Techrights [10:22] *job has quit (connection closed) [10:23] techrights-bot/fn "Linus Torvalds has kind of a reputation. He doesn't put up with people saying things he doesn't like and he's known for calling offenders out. Well, someone promoted some baseless conspiracy theories on the Linux Kernel Mailing List and Linus wasn't having any of it. This is the story. " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAqadEHISNM [10:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The return of GOOD Linus? - YouTube [10:25] techrights-bot/fn Full Circle Weekly News #215 https://fullcirclemagazine.org/podcast/full-circle-weekly-news-215/ #gnu #linux [10:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fullcirclemagazine.org | Full Circle Weekly News #215 | Full Circle Magazine [10:28] *job (~job@92hej83cu4x5n.irc) has joined #techrights [10:29] techrights-bot/fn Slides and videos of Bootlin talks at Live Embedded Event #2 https://bootlin.com/blog/slides-and-videos-of-bootlin-talks-at-live-embedded-event-2/ #bootlin #linux [10:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Slides and videos of Bootlin talks at Live Embedded Event #2 - Bootlin's blog [10:36] techrights-bot/fn Audiocasts/Shows: Full Circle Weekly News, The return of GOOD Linus, Linux Action News, and Josh Bressers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152504 [10:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts/Shows: Full Circle Weekly News, 'The return of GOOD Linus', Linux Action News, and Josh Bressers | Tux Machines [10:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 25.15 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 6.70 swarm size (avg): 305.02 ● Jun 21 [11:13] techrights-bot/fn For a change, most of these are #freesw https://www.fossmint.com/google-chrome-alternatives/ [11:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fossmint.com | 7 Best Alternatives for Google Chrome Browser [11:14] techrights-bot/fn Replace man pages with Tealdeer on Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152505 [11:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Replace man pages with Tealdeer on Linux | Tux Machines [11:15] techrights-bot/fn #Unvanquished 0.52.1 Brings Rendering Fixes, Flatpak For This Promising Open-Source Game - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Unvanquished-0.52.1-Released #Phoronix #games #freesw | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/21/#latest [11:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Unvanquished 0.52.1 Brings Rendering Fixes, Flatpak For This Promising Open-Source Game - Phoronix [11:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [11:17] techrights-bot/fn How stupid it is to outsource this to #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware #github after what Microsoft did to #opendocument https://blog.documentfoundation.org/ #deletegithut [11:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.documentfoundation.org | The Document Foundation Blog - The home of LibreOffice [11:17] immibis > githut [11:19] techrights-bot/fn #ibm / #redhat propping up buzzwords and nonsense (usually the type that increases workload and reduces pay) https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2021/6/gitops-explained-plain-english [11:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-enterprisersproject.com | How to explain GitOps in plain English | The Enterprisers Project [11:20] schestowitz lol, oops [11:20] schestowitz sourcehut+microsoft [11:20] schestowitz =github [11:20] schestowitz =>githut ● Jun 21 [12:13] techrights-bot/fn #RasPad 3 Review Part 2: A Raspberry Pi 4 mini PC with integrated display http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152506 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [12:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | RasPad 3 Review Part 2: A Raspberry Pi 4 mini PC with integrated display | Tux Machines [12:13] techrights-bot/fn Linux for Starters: Your Guide to Linux Navigating the Desktop Part 6 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152507 [12:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux for Starters: Your Guide to Linux Navigating the Desktop Part 6 | Tux Machines [12:14] techrights-bot/fn Why transparency is critical to your open source projects security http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152508 [12:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Why transparency is critical to your open source project's security | Tux Machines [12:14] techrights-bot/fn Jim Hall: How Do You Fedora? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152509 [12:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Jim Hall: How Do You Fedora? | Tux Machines [12:27] *mib_j9eayr (~5198ee27@q8ban9vyag5t6.irc) has joined #techrights [12:28] *mib_j9eayr has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [12:37] activelow https://www.dw.com/en/bitcoin-dips-sharply-as-china-broadens-ban/a-57977460 [12:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bitcoin dips sharply as China broadens ban | News | DW | 21.06.2021 [12:38] schestowitz :-) [12:59] *psydroid has American Dreams of blogging on Github and Linkedin [12:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 23.31 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 32.63 swarm size (avg): 305.21 ● Jun 21 [13:03] activelow https://the-tech-tin.com/2021/06/sony-wins-pirate-site-blocking-order-against-dns-resolver-quad9/ [13:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-the-tech-tin.com | Sony Wins Pirate Site Blocking Order Against DNS-Resolver Quad9 [13:03] activelow "This is not the first blocking order against a third-party online intermediary in Germany." [13:06] activelow Initially "DNS filters" were proposed and enforced by CDU Germany year 2009, Ursula van der Leyen (now head of EU commision), with the argument of law enforcement against heavy crimes [13:18] *Noisytoot has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in) [13:18] techrights-bot/fn #IPFire 2.25 - Core Update 157 released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152510 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [13:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IPFire 2.25 - Core Update 157 released | Tux Machines [13:18] techrights-bot/fn #KTorrent : An Incredibly Useful BitTorrent Application by KDE http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152511 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [13:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KTorrent: An Incredibly Useful BitTorrent Application by KDE | Tux Machines [13:19] techrights-bot/fn #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152512 #Linux #TuxMachines [13:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [13:20] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@jiz967bhsgr6i.irc) has joined #techrights [13:24] immibis activelow: this is the wrong layer to be fighting this issue, the problem is copyright [13:26] immibis i am (for now) fine with blocking things like child porn. but copyrighted content should not be treated like child porn [13:26] immibis that is the issue [13:27] activelow don't know where to begin with my argument [13:27] activelow conflating heavy crimes with any objection to mass surveillance is their communication strategy [13:39] activelow it is the entire legal framework in place now: "network infiltration law" (Netzwerkdurchsetzungsgesetz), "sanction deligitimization of the government", "mandatory non-anonymous registration with online services", "sanctioning hate-speech" [13:40] immibis wait, why is sanctioning hate speech your end goal? It should be something like spying on everyone's porn use, or making tor illegal [13:41] activelow thy do not intend to sanction hate-speech, they intend to sanction everything which poses a threat to government and their pockets [13:41] immibis banning nazis is not inherently a bad thing [13:41] immibis it's really the only good reaction to nazis [13:42] Ariadne personally i recommend using a baseball bat [13:43] activelow the political organizations which agitate in germany and are portrayed as "Nazi" are false flag anyway, it is government agents themselves who both supervise and control political extremist fringe [13:45] immibis government agents from extremist fringe parties, yes [13:56] gustaf sorry to have to break it to you activelow but "lawful intercept" has been a thing for decades [13:56] activelow gustaf: *mass* surveillance is not compliant with "lawful interception" [13:59] gustaf hmmm that's a good point ● Jun 21 [14:00] immibis blocking is also not mass surveillance [14:01] immibis they could mass surveil those who are blocked but they could also do that without blocking them; they are orthogonal issues [14:01] gustaf I wonder if the opposition to do anything meaningful about corporate mass surveillance is to inure the public about *gov* mass surveilance [14:01] activelow the "network infiltration law" doesn't at least distinguish network infrastructure and services, it is a rubbish for this reason alone [14:04] activelow "lawful interception" applied to network infrastructure, with services it is content regulation, different things [14:11] activelow on the contrary it remains open to discuss how to cope with those business entities who violate constitutional rights with their services provided [14:12] activelow tracking and spying on everything is a severe violation of constitution [14:15] activelow which is "privacy of correspondence, posts and telecommunications", and even if a service provider or network operator asked for consent to violate it such was void since constitutional guarantees are not overruled by Facebook terms of services for example [14:17] techrights-bot/fn Techrights Video Gallery Without #JavaScript http://techrights.org/2021/06/21/video-no-javascript/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/21/video-no-javascript/ [14:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Video Gallery Without JavaScript | Techrights [14:20] techrights-bot/fn Just now from apt-get: "Debian no longer supports UEFI Secure Boot on arm64 systems" #ibm #redhat on #ProprietarySoftware #microsoft #github is screwing all distros using this attack on booting freedom. Screw IBM+Microsoft. [14:21] gustaf public is generally fine with it tho [14:23] schestowitz just lost 20-minute video [14:23] schestowitz due to microphone deciding to not work [14:23] schestowitz pulseaudio issues it seems [14:23] gustaf :( [14:25] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [14:27] schestowitz Couldn't create pulseaudio client: No valid directory for Pulse RuntimePath found [14:27] schestowitz this is rubbish [14:31] activelow haven't had any problem with ALSA, although configuration isn't trivial always. should be possible to configure even with the presence of pulseaudio [14:31] activelow depends on how some libraries and applications were compiled [14:33] schestowitz solved! at last. [14:44] MinceR lol pulseaudio [14:48] immibis welcome to open source software, windows doesn't need a pulse runtimepath [14:49] *alextee has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:49] XRevan86 Windows is beyond the mortal needs for paths. [14:50] immibis windows has all kinds of problems but that is not one [14:54] *psymin (~psymin@me3biw7mdts84.irc) has joined #techrights [14:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 26.93 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 6.40 swarm size (avg): 305.74 ● Jun 21 [15:04] *mib_oy6fu6 (~6bf2712e@q8ban9vyag5t6.irc) has joined #techrights [15:05] *alextee (~alextee@p5ururacf4pq4.irc) has joined #techrights [15:23] *mib_oy6fu6 has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [15:27] MinceR yeah! [15:27] MinceR poettering could code shitty software and release it as "open source", therefore all "open source" is bad [15:27] MinceR that's how it works, right? [15:27] XRevan86 immibis: Software on Windows always handles gracefully the situation when something it expects doesn't exist. [15:28] immibis XRevan86: okay but there are also less of those situations, primarily because it's less customizable [15:28] MinceR lol [15:28] immibis if windows is unable to connect to the audio server, you badly fucked up your installation and you should restart your computer or reinstall [15:28] MinceR if windows fails, it's your fault [15:28] immibis probably by deleting random files from system32 [15:29] MinceR if poetteringaudio fails, it's "open source"'s fault [15:29] MinceR funny how it works [15:29] immibis MinceR: this kind of thing is inherent to loosely coupled systems [15:29] MinceR better put on the gimp suit and hand comrade nadella the whip, then [15:29] immibis on windows you can just assume the audio stack is there, on linux you have to search for it [15:30] MinceR you can assume many things on windows and you'll be surprised often [15:30] MinceR also, mozilla already assumes that poetteringaudio is there on "linux" [15:32] MinceR what's the point in learning how to design software properly when you can just fuck it up and blame everything on the user [15:32] MinceR "it works on my machine" [15:43] *job has quit (connection closed) [15:50] *psydroid has quit (connection closed) [15:51] *psydroid (~psydroid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [15:51] psydroid windows always fails [15:53] *mib_oy6fu6 (~6bf2712e@kjvq8jm9s83qu.irc) has joined #techrights [15:54] immibis objectively false [15:54] immibis there is at least one instance where windows did not fail [15:54] psydroid your computer? ● Jun 21 [16:03] activelow if any criteria was relevant for what schools and universities were equipped with institutions would be left with nothing to choose [16:04] activelow recent argument i remember in german parliament was "no specific vendors must be ecluded", which is the wrong approach already [16:04] activelow what must be defined first are criteria to choose any [16:05] activelow doesn't surprise me the relevant criteria are not comprehended, even among supposedly free and open business entities [16:06] activelow no x86/ms system i was aware of could meet criteria for deployment in public institutions [16:09] *mib_oy6fu6 has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [16:12] activelow not at least most calculators could be distributed in schools and universities, if these had to remain free and open with schematics available and production facilities nearby [16:13] schestowitz having loads of sound issues today [16:13] schestowitz still not sure what causes them [16:13] schestowitz or how to always overcome them [16:13] schestowitz don't want to lose any more work.. [16:27] techrights-bot/fn Whitney Webb: Who Is A Terrorist In Bidens America? https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/06/investigative-reports/who-is-a-terrorist-in-bidens-america/ [16:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Who Is A Terrorist In Bidens America? - unlimitedhangout.com [16:28] techrights-bot/fn Rolled Out! is a wonderful spiritual successor to Super Monkey Ball | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/rolled-out-is-a-wonderful-spiritual-successor-to-super-monkey-ball #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/21/#latest [16:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Rolled Out! is a wonderful spiritual successor to Super Monkey Ball | GamingOnLinux [16:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [16:30] techrights-bot/fn Classic open source RTS #Warzone 2100 has a Beta out for the upcoming 4.1 release | GamingOnLinux 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Projects - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.14-SparkFun-Qwiic #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/21/#latest [16:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux 5.14 To Add Driver For A $10 Open-Source Joystick For DIY Electronics Projects - Phoronix [16:53] techrights-bot/fn Some of the improvements made this morning to the gallery of recent #videos http://techrights.org/2021/06/21/video-no-javascript/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/21/video-no-javascript/ [16:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Video Gallery Without JavaScript | Techrights [16:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 23.65 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 5.76 swarm size (avg): 305.74 ● Jun 21 [17:00] techrights-bot/fn #Kernel : SparkFun #Qwiic Joystick, Intel Graphics Compiler, and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152519 [17:00] 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Blog FiascoBlog Fiasco [17:36] techrights-bot/fn There are some misconceptions that need tackling; back in February (more than 4 months ago) the so-called Linux Foundation decided to associate with yet another controversial drive that has nothing to do with Linux; some people think its a new thing and leap to conclusions http://techrights.org/2021/06/21/brand-dilution-lf/ #Techrights #L [17:36] techrights-bot/fn inuxFoundation #Linux #surveillance | [17:37] techrights-bot/fn #Openwashing #Microsoft ... from the person who insisted #FSF must REMOVE its founder | https://opensource.com/article/21/6/freedos-gw-basic | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/21/#latest [17:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why I love programming on FreeDOS with GW-BASIC | Opensource.com [17:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [17:43] schestowitz You know Qt has given up on Free software when... https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-on-appl e-silicon #qt [17:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-on-appl ) [17:49] techrights-bot/fn #RockyLinux 8.4 Green Obsidian Is Out as the First Stable Release http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152522 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Rocky Linux 8.4 Green Obsidian Is Out as the First Stable Release | Tux Machines [17:49] techrights-bot/fn #Server : #PostgreSQL -Related Releases, Edge, and Kubernetes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152523 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Server: PostgreSQL-Related Releases, 'Edge', and Kubernetes | Tux Machines [17:50] techrights-bot/fn #IBM / #RedHat /Fedora: Ben Cotton, NeuroFedora, and Red Hat Buzzwords Like GitOps and &'DevOps' http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152524 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat/Fedora: Ben Cotton, NeuroFedora, and Red Hat Buzzwords Like 'GitOps' and 'DevOps' | Tux Machines ● Jun 21 [18:05] techrights-bot/fn Use #FDroid to Install #freeSW https://www.maketecheasier.com/use-f-droid-to-install-open-source-android-apps/ [18:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | Use F-Droid to Install Open Source Android Apps - Make Tech Easier [18:07] *mib_sb3czb (~5ed1adc1@q8ban9vyag5t6.irc) has joined #techrights [18:09] techrights-bot/fn "In this YouTube #shorts video (shot in landscape mode like a normal person), I discuss a serious mental disorder that too many people suffer from--identifying with their software." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVITl24rRHM [18:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-You Are NOT The Software You Run! 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I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77 [18:18] saint_dogbert/fn awesome [18:20] techrights-bot/fn #ibm #vendorLockin https://www.makeuseof.com/should-you-use-ansible-for-automation/ #Ansible #OSPS [18:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.makeuseof.com | Should You Use Ansible for Automation? [18:21] techrights-bot/fn Install / Setup Barrier to Share Mouse & Keyboard Between Your Computers https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2021/06/setup-barrier-share-mouse-keyboard-between-computers/ very powerful #freesw [18:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ubuntuhandbook.org | Install / Setup Barrier to Share Mouse & Keyboard Between Your Computers | UbuntuHandbook [18:25] techrights-bot/fn "a GNU/Linux user since 2001. I moved from #Debian to Ubuntu, and then returned to Debian. The first love is never forgotten!" Well done saying #GNU #Linux https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2021/06/21/community-member-monday-manuel-frassinetti/ [18:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.documentfoundation.org | Community Member Monday: Manuel Frassinetti - The Document Foundation Blog [18:29] techrights-bot/fn #Oracle : Java, Oracle Linux 8.4, and CentOS Refugees http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152525 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Oracle: Java, Oracle Linux 8.4, and CentOS Refugees | Tux Machines [18:30] techrights-bot/fn Mozilla [18:30] techrights-bot/fn #WebBrowsers : #Chromium Clones and #Mozilla Milestone http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152526 [18:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Browsers: Chromium Clones and Mozilla Milestone | Tux Machines [18:30] techrights-bot/fn Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152527 [18:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [18:31] techrights-bot/fn #Security Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152528 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines [18:32] activelow quit with java, placed it onto blacklisting although i programmed various projects with it before [18:33] *mib_sb3czb (~5ed1adc1@q8ban9vyag5t6.irc) has joined #techrights [18:33] techrights-bot/fn #Dart / #Flutter support in #Kate https://kate-editor.org/post/2021/2021-06-21-dart-support/ #kde #programming [18:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kate-editor.org | Dart / Flutter support in Kate - Kate [18:33] *mib_sb3czb has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [18:34] activelow go java php ruby tcl and all dependencies wiped [18:34] techrights-bot/fn The Linux Foundation should look for some MORE people at #microsoft https://www.smdailyjournal.com/classifieds/job/tech/the-linux-foundation-seeks-a-technical-product-manager-in-san-mateo-ca/ad_4f29dc62-d2ab-11eb-af79-e38a7cc1c7f1.html since the flailing Linux Foundation deploys WINDOWS http://techrights.org/2020/06/22/proprietary-iis-and-windows-foundation/ [18:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Linux Foundation seeks a Technical Product Manager in San Mateo, CA | Computer& Software Jobs | smdailyjournal.com [18:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Newsletter is Microsoft Windows and Proprietary IIS | Techrights [18:34] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has joined #techrights [18:35] AdmFubar https://boingboing.net/2021/06/21/watch-top-5-most-annoying-computing-things.html [18:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boingboing.net | Watch: Top 5 most annoying computing things | Boing Boing [18:35] AdmFubar great commentary about windows [18:38] schestowitz computers=! windows :-) [18:38] schestowitz contrary to what media might say [18:38] schestowitz esp. when it's something bad [18:38] schestowitz always blame "computers" [18:39] schestowitz toss them out, buy a new Windows "PC" [18:40] techrights-bot/fn Some people have reported to me that this page does not work properly in spite of it being 100% JS-free. I think some browsers extensions are EXTREMELY fussy about the iframe http://techrights.org/videos/ [18:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full Videos Index [18:42] activelow python is poisoned too, waf build system; reason enough to blacklist entire python lang since waf easily slips into the system otherwise [18:43] techrights-bot/fn #collabora is growing. They do #freesw https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/news-and-events/growing-for-the-road-ahead.html [18:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.collabora.com | Growing for the road ahead [18:43] activelow discussed 10years ago, impossible to repair anymore https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/02/msg00714.html [18:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.debian.org | Intent to remove waf from Debian [18:44] techrights-bot/fn Successor to CentOS: GNU Rocky Linux 8.4 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152518#comment-30009 [18:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Rocky Linux 8.4 Released For RHEL 8.4 / CentOS Alternative | Tux Machines [18:45] schestowitz I hate waf [18:45] schestowitz *(From work) [18:46] activelow build systems and packaging provide a huge attack surface for sabotage [18:46] activelow currently i am seeing my entire gentoo tree falling apart [18:46] techrights-bot/fn #Olimex #STM32MP1 SoM and evaluation board support Linux 5.10 - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/06/21/olimex-stm32mp1-som-and-evaluation-board-support-linux-5-10/ #Linux #GNU #Hardware [18:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | Olimex STM32MP1 SoM and evaluation board support Linux 5.10 - CNX Software [18:47] schestowitz activelow: how so? [18:47] schestowitz Don't worry, Pentagon ('Linux') Foundation is looking after your security [18:47] schestowitz totally GIAFAM/PRISM compatible [18:47] schestowitz because otherwise you're a TERROR~1 [18:48] schestowitz next up: Linux coded in rust [18:48] schestowitz funded by google [18:48] schestowitz hosted by Microsoft [18:48] schestowitz Microsoft in the Board [18:48] schestowitz censoring Microsoft critics [18:48] activelow schestowitz: essentially i created to most radical fork among GNU/linux distros currently available and it is dead-end at many fronts [18:48] schestowitz they also want to tell you what software you can and cannot sinstall [18:48] activelow *the [18:48] schestowitz because THAT is security [18:48] schestowitz IBM/Google: NO! You CAN'T do that [18:49] schestowitz UEFI 'secure' b00t not enough... [18:49] schestowitz The TERROR~1 win [18:49] activelow i am not involved with any ilegal activity at all, do not intend to proliferate either, only try to rescue what is possible [18:50] immibis sometimes i don't know if you guys are mentally stable [18:51] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/03/11/fake-security-brought-by-lf/ [18:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Fake Security From Linux Foundation and the Monopolies Its Fronting for | Techrights [18:51] schestowitz immibis: please elaborate [18:51] saint_dogbert/fn immibis: Feel free to /part Its not like anyone is holding a gun to your head and demanding that you stay logged in [18:51] schestowitz rather, say what you find to be irrational [18:52] schestowitz in very broad and general terms, the free software 'ecosystem' is under attack by those who want to control everything and impoverish users... it's not a new attack or new problem [18:53] schestowitz which is why users need to leverage GPL (e.g. Rocky Linux) and remain vigilant [18:53] schestowitz there are many ways to kill off movements, inc. the free software movement, antiwar movement etc. [18:53] schestowitz hijacking them or forcing them to surrender is a pattern [18:54] activelow free software is subverted and sabotaged beyond repair almost already, beginning with the platform init [18:54] schestowitz 'init' [18:54] schestowitz it's no longer init [18:54] schestowitz that's just how they initialised vendor lockin [18:54] schestowitz and broke apart modularity [18:55] schestowitz immibis: I'll take the silence as a "well, nothing in particular..." ?? [18:55] schestowitz substanceless allusions are cheap [18:55] schestowitz burden of proof not on us... :-) [18:57] schestowitz anyway, change of topic: [18:57] activelow furthermore required efforts and time to maintain this blows up exponentially [18:57] schestowitz so it seems freenode is dying or dead [18:57] schestowitz cause of dead: an idiot who decided he wants to turn IRC into "an APP" [18:58] schestowitz and to get initial/seed userbase he nicked freenode [18:58] schestowitz and that didn't go as he had planned [18:58] schestowitz 16 hours ago he announced that plan [18:58] schestowitz and maybe some people did in fact download his "apps", which XRevan86 says has trackers in it [18:59] schestowitz so even if freenode is privacy-respecting, the facility by which they wish people to access the network is very Kape 'Technology'-like [18:59] schestowitz we know roughly their business model, based on their previous incarnation [18:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 24.96 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 9.51 swarm size (avg): 306.57 [18:59] techrights-bot/fn #SUSE Manager 4.2 and SUSE Linux Enterprise 15 SP3 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152529 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SUSE Manager 4.2 and SUSE Linux Enterprise 15 SP3 | Tux Machines ● Jun 21 [19:00] XRevan86 schestowitz: I have doubts about these applications having users. [19:01] activelow good luck when promoting a distro which removed CUPS printing and retained lprng [19:01] techrights-bot/fn #WSO2 seems to have become just another #ProprietarySoftware vendor with "clown" slant https://wso2.com/choreo/blogs/wso2-choreo-a-platform-for-innovation/ [19:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-WSO2 Choreo - Delivering a Platform for Innovation [19:02] activelow just finished to clean-up the mess left behind by systemd/dbus/... and qt6/gtk4 are ahead [19:02] techrights-bot/fn #Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152530 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [19:02] schestowitz XRevan86: they don't seem to understand who uses IRC and why [19:02] schestowitz many don't use 'phones' [19:02] schestowitz or if they do, strictly for calls [19:03] XRevan86 schestowitz: That was a very common statement about the new freenode even before the latest announcement. [19:03] schestowitz that they fail to understand? [19:03] AdmFubar https://www.project-disco.org/competition/062121-tech-regulatory-overhaul-series-banning-ma-activity/ [19:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.project-disco.org | Tech Regulatory Overhaul Series: Banning M&A Activity - Disruptive Competition Project [19:04] psydroid I am sure I know that at least one person in here is mentally unstable 100% of the time [19:04] XRevan86 schestowitz: "they don't seem to understand who uses IRC and why" [19:04] psydroid and an advocate of proprietary software [19:05] immibis schestowitz: I just know I'll be banned if I call anything out in particular [19:05] schestowitz psydroid: well, that does not make them less human [19:05] schestowitz immibis: we don't ban [19:05] psydroid schestowitz, sure, but that doesn't mean I should care about anything they are saying [19:06] schestowitz except in very unusual circumstances like spamfloods [19:06] schestowitz psydroid: we now have some allusions w/o evidence [19:06] psydroid unfortunately I can't easily ignore such persons here [19:06] schestowitz and then allusions we are ban-happy, which is false [19:06] psydroid or I would [19:06] psydroid no [19:06] schestowitz you can mute in your IRC client [19:06] psydroid I rarely if ever ban [19:06] psydroid I don't use an IRC client [19:07] psydroid so I just mentally ignore now [19:07] psydroid until I find a better solution [19:07] techrights-bot/fn #LibreOffice on The Document Foundation (TDF) and #ODF TC http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152531 #freesw #TuxMachines [19:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice on The Document Foundation (TDF) and ODF TC | Tux Machines [19:08] schestowitz sometimes I try to decide for myself when it's better to take a break and not bother [19:08] immibis schestowitz: well then. this is basically meaningless drivel, and instead of complaining about it, it would be better to buy or invent some open hardware: [19:08] immibis IBM/Google: NO! You CAN'T do that [19:08] immibis UEFI 'secure' b00t not enough... [19:08] immibis The TERROR~1 win [19:08] schestowitz no need to delete or ban or mute [19:08] immibis i'm not gonna say it's *wrong*, but it is *useless* [19:08] schestowitz I just focus on something else [19:09] schestowitz immibis: we promote open hardware [19:09] schestowitz all the time [19:09] schestowitz it's actually called free design [19:09] schestowitz which makes it easier to audit [19:09] saint_dogbert/fn If the troll is particularly obnoxious, I find its more fun to abuse them until they rage quit [19:09] schestowitz the manufacturing trap is hard to overcome [19:09] schestowitz RMS is trolled about this all the time [19:09] schestowitz as if RMS said, HEY! Let's manufacture chips at home!! [19:10] schestowitz the above comment alluded to the new 'appstore' like model LF promotes for IBM and Google (mostly) [19:10] schestowitz where they decide what to run or not run [19:10] schestowitz similar to what they do with their growing TLS 'monopoly' [19:10] schestowitz or with 'secure boot' [19:10] schestowitz which OS is "safe" [19:10] schestowitz according to Microsoft, Intel... [19:11] schestowitz they are tying to dismantle general-purpose computing [19:11] immibis there is a distinction between the hardware feature, and its application onto general purpose computers. [19:11] schestowitz even with rev-eng you'd struggle to find in a store a general sort of hardware on which to boot your system of choice [19:11] schestowitz not for technical reason [19:11] schestowitz but the hardware would just refuse, akin to TiVo [19:11] AdmFubar https://hackaday.com/2021/06/21/raspberry-pi-floppy-driver-uncovers-fishy-secrets/ [19:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Raspberry Pi Floppy Driver Uncovers Fishy Secrets | Hackaday [19:12] schestowitz if you don't not understand these threats, read Cory Doctorow articles about the topic [19:12] schestowitz immibis: those "features" are being baked in [19:12] schestowitz they're not features, they're imposed [19:12] schestowitz they're not add-ons anymore [19:12] psydroid they're bugs promoted as features [19:12] immibis mechanisms can be used by both malicious actors and good ones. We must blame the application, not the mechanism. Secure boot can stop an attacker from overwriting your linux distro with one that doesn't check passwords [19:13] immibis if *you* configure it to lock to *your* distro [19:13] schestowitz so if the above you've deemed insane etc. then I think it boils down to now keeping up with growing threats to people's control over their lives, which are increasingly being managed by machines at a personal, job, and gov level [19:13] immibis (you should use hard drive encryption instead of that, but the attacker can still wipe the hd and resell it, not with secure boot) [19:13] schestowitz Secure boot is crap [19:13] schestowitz and a joke [19:14] schestowitz it doesn't deal with the real threats [19:14] immibis especially looking at the pinephone, while I can boot any OS I want and that's great, so can the person who picks my pocket [19:14] schestowitz and it's promotes by a fake security charlatan pack [19:14] schestowitz microsoft, intel, google [19:14] schestowitz companies that work for NSA [19:14] immibis if I could configure it to only boot stuff signed by my key, that would be a valid security improvement [19:14] schestowitz they don't value your security, they want to control your machine [19:14] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/UEFI [19:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | UEFI - Techrights [19:14] activelow problem with the pine64 equipment is lack of supply, no guaranteed long term supply [19:14] schestowitz and of course time after time it was proves that it worsens security and locks you out of a perfectly fine machine with a fine OS [19:14] activelow otherwise i had ordered one of their original pinebook models already [19:15] immibis activelow: doesn't have to be pine64. they are not the only ones making open hardware. Buying *any* open hardware is good for open hardware as a cause [19:15] schestowitz pinepine is a go at creating a solution [19:15] schestowitz and a reaction [19:15] schestowitz but to deny that it tackles a real growing problem is 'inane' [19:15] immibis (i think open hardware is the wrong term. The hardware is not open; the hardware is more open, and especially the boot process) [19:15] schestowitz do to mock people who point out the problem.., makes you what? [19:15] immibis schestowitz: it is the reaction that is insane, not the problem [19:15] schestowitz i agree it's the wrong term [19:16] schestowitz it's free design [19:16] schestowitz that people share [19:16] schestowitz and modify [19:16] schestowitz risc-v is one example [19:16] immibis normal person: "Microsoft is taking away your ability to boot Linux, which is terrible!" [19:16] schestowitz [19:14] if I could configure it to only boot stuff signed by my key, that would be a valid security improvement [19:16] schestowitz more machines do NOT let you do it [19:16] immibis Right-wing emotionally charged easily manipulated person: "Microsoft are TERRORISTS, UEFI is TERRORISM" [19:16] schestowitz you need t keep up [19:16] schestowitz in fact, some would not let you turn it off [19:17] immibis schestowitz: but you propose not letting me to turn it on [19:17] schestowitz let alone change the trust/auth [19:17] schestowitz immibis: I did not say that [19:17] immibis we should be able to buy devices that are able to secure boot, but have it turned off by default [19:17] schestowitz you don't know nuanced jokes [19:17] immibis or at least, have it changeable by defaut [19:17] schestowitz "The terrorists will win" [19:17] schestowitz or "it might lead to dancing" [19:17] schestowitz maybe English is not your first language [19:18] schestowitz it's an allusion to Bush era rhetorics [19:18] schestowitz where THEY allege that WE are terrorists [19:18] MinceR good luck getting a device with microsoft's system, but contrary to microsoft's wishes on the default settings [19:18] immibis uefi is a boot system, it's not TERRORISM just because it supports more features. Even selling locked devices is not TERRORISM. It's just antitrust and so on [19:18] immibis dm-verity is TERRORISM by the same logic, linux kernel is TERRORISM [19:19] schestowitz https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-origin-of-the-phrase-that-could-lead-to-dancing [19:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-What is the origin of the phrase 'that could lead to dancing'? - Quora [19:19] immibis where THEY allege that WE are terrorists <- right-wingers always project [19:19] schestowitz and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_terrorists_have_won [19:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | The terrorists have won - Wikipedia [19:19] immibis schestowitz: did you seriously just link to quora [19:19] MinceR it's a vendor lock-in mechanism [19:19] schestowitz sigh [19:19] schestowitz bye, waste of time [19:19] schestowitz I have better things to do [19:20] psydroid we have a new troll in the family [19:20] *schestowitz back to posting Daily Links [19:21] schestowitz troll is the wrong time [19:21] schestowitz but that sort of debate is time-wasting [19:21] schestowitz because instead of focusing on how to tackle issues [19:21] schestowitz we're being called names [19:21] schestowitz and explanations are rejected offhand [19:22] psydroid I think we should just continue doing what we are doing [19:22] psydroid and let them buy and use the hardware and software they want [19:22] psydroid and not get distracted by and waste our time with such people [19:24] immibis psydroid: then TERRORISTS WIN [19:25] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:25] immibis people want freedom-deleting hardware, that has been proven [19:25] activelow anyway, this is my plan with free and open source: continue maintainenance of what i did the last three years with as little effort as possible, and prepare for an even more radical fork with swapping the entire compiler, remove cxx, remove python etc. and see what remains then on some yet to be selected embedded system [19:27] activelow in any case it must remain self-hosting fully from source, suspect python will encounter further attacks (rust, waf etc.) so this as a consequence will complicate things with gentoo tooling gone [19:27] psydroid activelow, it's a shame that one person who used to come here isn't here now, because we discussed similar radical developments that I can't discuss further at the moment [19:30] activelow maybe schestowitz permitted me to open a channel on his server to exchange ideas? [19:30] psydroid but let's say that it involves re-implementing the free software world [19:30] psydroid http://techrights.org/2020/05/27/freesw-seed/ [19:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GNEW Seedlings vs. Free Software Deforestation | Techrights [19:32] AdmFubar https://tech.slashdot.org/story/21/06/19/0526255/why-google-is-funding-linux-kernel-development-in-rust?utm_source=rss0.9mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed [19:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tech.slashdot.org | Why Google is Funding Linux Kernel Development in Rust - Slashdot [19:33] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@jiz967bhsgr6i.irc) has joined #techrights [19:33] XRevan86 https://twitter.com/ariadneconill/status/1406824865722781696 this is gold, why doesn't Ariadne share these great findings here? [19:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ariadneconill: andrew promised millions of users coming to freenode very soon but when pressed for details went silent https://t.co/mo3QtJdEbD [19:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ariadneconill: andrew promised millions of users coming to freenode very soon but when pressed for details went silent https://t.co/mo3QtJdEbD [19:33] schestowitz [19:25] people want freedom-deleting hardware, that has been proven [19:33] schestowitz so work to fix things [19:33] schestowitz defeatism gets us nowhere [19:34] schestowitz by the way "TERRORISTS WIN" is a joke at our expense [19:34] schestowitz didn't suggest our opponents are terrorists [19:34] schestowitz but that they use straw man arguments [19:34] schestowitz as if freedom in software means terrorists at every corner [19:36] schestowitz XRevan86: true [19:36] schestowitz it didn't go according to disneyworld(tm) plan [19:36] XRevan86 > Given that people got banned for making GDPR data access requests, I highly doubt they even understand the consequences of not complying. [19:36] XRevan86 Oh yea that did happen, hadn't it [19:36] schestowitz trump also made lots of "big league" promises [19:36] schestowitz like walls and stuff [19:37] schestowitz mexico will even pay for it !! [19:37] XRevan86 > the irc.irc.com DNS name is now pointed at freenode [19:37] XRevan86 Right, that's why they didn't need to update the applications. [19:38] schestowitz who owned this domain before? [19:38] schestowitz a network sucks even if the irc dns is 1.co [19:38] schestowitz the domain means nothing to the quality of the network [19:39] XRevan86 I haven't seen any information on that, I think it was just *a* domain. [19:39] AdmFubar https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210618/13040347017/researchers-2g-connection-encyption-deliberately-weakened-to-comply-with-cryptowar-export-restrictions.shtml [19:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Researchers: 2G Connection Encryption Deliberately Weakened To Comply With Cryptowar Export Restrictions | Techdirt [19:39] schestowitz like a "get rich fast scheme" [19:39] schestowitz 1. buy IRC.com [19:39] XRevan86 probably squatters had it [19:39] schestowitz 2. buy a userbase [19:39] schestowitz 3. [...] [19:39] schestowitz 4. profit [19:39] schestowitz doesn't work like this in practice [19:40] XRevan86 schestowitz: If we find out that this was his plan with freenode all along, I will lose my mind. [19:40] schestowitz many use IRC to AVOID this "app" nonsense [19:40] schestowitz so offering it packaged as "app" is misunderstanding the niche that is IRC [19:40] schestowitz and trying to convert it into the very thing they worked hard to avoid becomign [19:41] schestowitz XRevan86: look at irc.com a week ago [19:41] schestowitz it even says something to that effect [19:41] schestowitz so "app" is what was meant by "easy to use" [19:41] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/06/16/techrights-statement-on-irc/ [19:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Statement on IRC | Techrights [19:41] schestowitz see this image http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/irc-com.png [19:41] XRevan86 schestowitz: Andrew was angry that the freenode staff made a road-map stating a migration to Solanum among other things. [19:41] schestowitz he helped with kiwiirc [19:41] schestowitz got a domain [19:42] schestowitz got freenode [19:42] schestowitz then pulled out an "app" [19:42] schestowitz which is likely not so original, either [19:42] schestowitz android had irc 'apps' like a decade back [19:42] AdmFubar https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/21/toshiba_effissimo_meti_scandal/ [19:42] XRevan86 Could be that it irritated him for being far from his vision of where freenode should be going. [19:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Toshiba engulfed by scandal again and the prime minister is implicated The Register [19:42] schestowitz I forgot their names... [19:42] XRevan86 and I assume he had no idea Solanum is pretty much the same thing as freenode was already runnin [19:43] schestowitz citation? [19:43] schestowitz for claims of this anger? [19:43] immibis people want apps [19:43] immibis that has also been proven [19:43] schestowitz not irc users [19:43] XRevan86 schestowitz: Oh, I need to go all the way back for this. [19:43] schestowitz irc is a niche [19:43] immibis even schestowitz linked to quora just before [19:43] schestowitz it's not random people [19:43] immibis which is a web app [19:43] schestowitz it's like saying Muslims WANT pork [19:43] schestowitz they don't [19:44] immibis a particularly unfree one since it tries to prevent you reading most of it without creating an account [19:44] XRevan86 schestowitz: Do ye have the "Lee's side" PDF near you? [19:45] schestowitz it's on our site, I take your work it is in there though [19:45] schestowitz *word [19:45] XRevan86 http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/lee-side.pdf there it is [19:46] XRevan86 page 9 [19:46] techrights-bot/fn Links 21/6/2021: Rocky Linux 8.4, IPFire 2.25 - Core Update 157, and SUSE Linux Enterprise 15 SP3 http://techrights.org/2021/06/21/rocky-linux-8-4/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/21/rocky-linux-8-4/ [19:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 21/6/2021: Rocky Linux 8.4, IPFire 2.25 Core Update 157, and SUSE Linux Enterprise 15 SP3 | Techrights [19:47] techrights-bot/fn Embedded #Linux and #OpenHardware Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152532 #freesw [19:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Embedded Linux and Open Hardware Leftovers | Tux Machines [19:47] XRevan86 The freenode and OFTC joint effort to work on Charybdis as Solanum is what got the negotiations off the rails. [19:47] techrights-bot/fn Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152533 [19:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [19:48] schestowitz XRevan86: thanks [19:48] schestowitz good to know [19:49] schestowitz well, as of today we have a better understanding of the "master plan" [19:49] schestowitz starting with tuesday's wipe and reboot [19:49] schestowitz irds [19:49] schestowitz ircd [19:49] schestowitz and not the "app" [19:49] schestowitz not the vision I hoped for [19:49] schestowitz but!!!! [19:49] schestowitz I hope that sort of succeeds [19:49] schestowitz because we are still on freenode too [19:49] schestowitz and if that brings more users to ircv3 protocol, all the better, I suppose... [19:49] schestowitz though it's hard to pull it off [19:50] schestowitz they contend with matrix, jabber, and big proprietary junk [19:50] XRevan86 schestowitz: They don't have the selling points of XMPP and Matrix [19:50] schestowitz I know [19:50] schestowitz so they come from behind [19:50] schestowitz in the technical sense [19:51] schestowitz irc has not much technical merit [19:51] schestowitz but many technical people in it [19:51] XRevan86 and they will never be able to extend IRC beyond a certain limit [19:51] schestowitz hooks, software, clients, legacy... [19:51] schestowitz XRevan86: because various software would no longer be compatible.. [19:51] gustaf considering who is on staff at freenode (phanes) I would be extra careful to trust any app or bouncer under freenode control [19:51] XRevan86 schestowitz: Right. This IRC.com thing is already barely IRC. [19:52] schestowitz it's AnotherApp(r) [19:52] activelow doubt it is in compliance with UK law to point freenode.tld to the server setup, and him resolving irc.com to the new server setup could be one last desperate move before freenode.tld resolves to nothing [19:53] XRevan86 activelow: Can ye elaborate? I've no idea what ye just said. [19:53] activelow XRevan86: i have no opinion on this other than the fact i didn't register with libera and disconnected from freenode [19:53] immibis ircv3 protocol is also an attempt to take over IRC. IRCv3 is Embrace, Extend [19:54] XRevan86 immibis: It doesn't try to subvert it. [19:54] techrights-bot/fn #Slimbook reveal the Slimbook Executive 14" ultrabook http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152515#comment-30010 #gnu #linux [19:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Slimbook Executive: Lightweight Linux Ultrabook with Top-Tier Screen | Tux Machines [19:55] activelow the fact alone a service provision can receive plaintext passwords from an old service database is reason enough to file a lawsuit against whoever operates the new server setup [19:55] immibis do you remember when IRCv3 proposed to replace the protocol with JSON and "deprecate" the "legacy" protocol? [19:55] immibis how is that not subversion? [19:55] XRevan86 immibis: Never knew about that. [19:56] techrights-bot/fn #destinationlinux 231: Is Linux Desktop Near The End: Fact or FUD? https://destinationlinux.org/episode-231/ [19:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-destinationlinux.org | 231: Is Linux Desktop Near The End: Fact or FUD? - Destination Linux [19:56] immibis it was shot down, because enough people complained enough [19:57] XRevan86 And now for something completely different [19:58] XRevan86 JRC? :) [19:58] XRevan86 JMAP is a thing, so why not [19:59] XRevan86 immibis: If they wanted a new protocol, they should've made a new protocol. [19:59] immibis XRevan86: they did, it was called IRCv3 [19:59] XRevan86 immibis: IRCv3 looks more like XEPs ● Jun 21 [20:00] immibis and you would be able to send things like emoji reactions [20:00] immibis over json. Edit and delete messages [20:01] techrights-bot/fn #NVIDIA s #DLSS upscaling comes to Rust' and a wave of Linux games http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152534 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | NVIDIA's DLSS upscaling comes to 'Rust' and a wave of Linux games | Tux Machines [20:01] immibis https://github.com/ircv3/ircv3-specifications/issues/55 [20:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-JSON-based protocol Issue #55 ircv3/ircv3-specifications GitHub [20:03] techrights-bot/fn Brad Linder on #Slimbook http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152515#comment-30012 [20:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Slimbook Executive: Lightweight Linux Ultrabook with Top-Tier Screen | Tux Machines [20:03] XRevan86 immibis: [20:06] immibis > Any comments from this point on which are not constructive or additive to this debate will be purged with extreme prejudice. (Most of) You are adults. Act like it. [20:10] activelow pinebook was $99, 10% of the slimbook price, which left considerable headroom for some software pricing and fair-trade agreement [20:10] activelow few weeks ago liberated GPU support was finished, and it is out-of-stock [20:11] immibis if it is out-of-stock the price is too low, according to the laws of capitalism [20:12] immibis pine64 could be the first baby steps into a world of usable free-design mobile devices [20:14] MinceR so if there's only one made of anything, that must be priced at infinity [20:14] immibis it must be priced as high as anyone is willing to pay [20:14] techrights-bot/fn You can really tell that #IBM / #RedHat sees its userbase slipping away.. https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/migrating-rhel-8-enter-red-hats-giveaway #RHEL [20:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Migrating to RHEL 8? Enter Red Hat's giveaway [20:15] psydroid I would only recommend migrating OFF RHEL 8 [20:15] MinceR if someone is willing to pay, it will be sold, and then it will be out of stock, i.e. underpriced [20:15] techrights-bot/fn "After months and months of the construction crews hammering away, VK_EXT_multi_draw has now been released for general use." https://www.supergoodcode.com/finally/ #linux #graphics [20:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.supergoodcode.com | Finally Mike Blumenkrantz Super. Good. Code. [20:16] techrights-bot/fn Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152535 [20:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [20:16] techrights-bot/fn This pocket-sized uses #tinyML to analyze a COVID-19 patients health conditions | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/06/21/this-pocket-sized-uses-tinyml-to-analyze-a-covid-19-patients-health-conditions/ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking [20:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | This pocket-sized uses tinyML to analyze a COVID-19 patient's health conditions | Arduino Blog [20:18] techrights-bot/fn Google's UI Toolkit Flutter 2.2 Claims Cross-Platform Crown https://www.infoq.com/news/2021/06/flutter-2-2-dart-2-13/don't use Gulag's tools. They pull the rug from beneath you within years. Time after time... [20:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://www.infoq.com/news/2021/06/flutter-2-2-dart-2-13/don't/ ) [20:23] schestowitz MinceR: yes, but not to other clones of it [20:23] schestowitz sadly, the options are not many [20:23] schestowitz different names, similar stacks [20:26] techrights-bot/fn Corrupt #EPO broadens adoption of an illegal and unconstitutional practice while rigging the courts to pretend it's OK https://www.adamson-jones.co.uk/news-events/ip-news/the-epo-extends-the-use-of-video-conferencing/ see http://techrights.org/2021/05/26/summing-up-g121/ [20:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.adamson-jones.co.uk | The EPO extends the use of video conferencing | Adamson Jones [20:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPOs War on Justice and Assault on the Law Part 20: Summing up | Techrights [20:27] techrights-bot/fn Team UPC still writes about deal and utterly illegal things it tries to shoehorn into the system https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=626c4731-803f-4855-9e97-ce21448055aa see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/UPC [20:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Unified Patent Court (UPC) and Unitary Patents - Lexology [20:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | UPC - Techrights [20:28] techrights-bot/fn This never happened because the Mafia that runs the #epo is still committing endless crimes https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/irish-patent-judge-must-be-reinstated-in-munich-job-1.3319407 [20:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.irishtimes.com | Irish patent judge must be reinstated in Munich job [20:29] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has left #techrights [20:29] techrights-bot/fn Today in #Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152536 [20:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines [20:32] activelow could have been some patent and GPL license infringement too, pinebook was equipped with Allwinner [20:33] activelow and google went after them for distributing firmware with video decoding support [20:35] activelow as soon as a device is capable of showing anything from youtube this seems to pose a threat to some business entities [20:36] activelow https://linux-sunxi.org/GPL_Violations [20:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GPL Violations - linux-sunxi.org [20:37] activelow and since then Allwinner laptop is out-of-stock [20:40] schestowitz bully de blanc is now unemployed [20:40] schestowitz worth pointing out? [20:40] schestowitz or too crude? [20:42] techrights-bot/fn Bully de Blanc fired for a failed coup? https://twitter.com/mmillions/status/1407001328379965449 #gnome #fsf #gnu #rms #freesw [20:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mmillions: Okay I am now unemployed for real. What are your favorite free or cheap NYC activities? [20:44] psydroid I have an Orange Pi Win Plus with Allwinner A64 and I can use it for watching YouTube content [20:44] psydroid What will happen when they start selling a Pinebook with a Rockchip SoC? [20:45] activelow they do, and the rockpro laptop is scarce too [20:48] activelow seems to be no issue to sell Allwinner and Rockchip as long as it's locked and bundled with proprietary Android [20:49] psydroid I hate gatekeeping [20:49] psymin hatekeeping [20:49] activelow product placement of alternatives is aggressive, viable alternatives remain below noise floor, except if anyone knew what to look for [20:49] psydroid Those chips are fine for almost anything, especially upcoming chips such as Allwinner A200 and Rockchip RK3588 [20:50] samiamsam hey have you guys seen leah rowe's work desoldering bios from laptops [20:51] samiamsam anything like that for phones? [20:51] immibis why is techrights-bot sharing a twitter link? [20:51] samiamsam it is cheap to get a phone's screen changed out, is it as easy to change out the boot loader? [20:53] schestowitz immibis: some people use twitter [20:54] schestowitz i could look up the nitter url [20:54] KindOne/fn schestowitz, any opinion on the interview with l0de? [20:54] schestowitz but that would not render correctly in disapora and twitter with expansion [20:54] schestowitz kingoffrance: godawful [20:54] schestowitz of what I saw of it [20:54] schestowitz the later parts [20:56] activelow it is important to review uboot support before picking any, even uboot was subverted to include binary blobs (dram init and who knows what else) [20:56] activelow some extremely scarce SBC and laptops do not [20:57] immibis get one with a uboot binary blob and then reverse-engineer the blob [20:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 22.18 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 21.11 swarm size (avg): 306.95 ● Jun 21 [21:01] psydroid I couldn't play certain DRM-ed streams in Falkon and Firefox because of the lack of Widevine for AArch64 [21:02] schestowitz falkon \0/ [21:02] schestowitz said nobody: "high five, fellow user" [21:03] psydroid I use it as much as possible and it's my default web browser, the other ones are only for sites that don't work in it [21:04] schestowitz the new videos turns out to be compatible with netsurf [21:04] schestowitz it does not have native webm support [21:04] schestowitz but it suggests you download the clips when they are clicked on [21:04] schestowitz psydroid: same here, with firefox as fallback [21:05] techrights-bot/fn #fakePatents must go. #swpats : " #patent relates to receiving notifications related to products or services of interest, at a mobile device based on the location of the mobile device and notification" https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2021/6/17/aeritas-reexamination-request-granted [21:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unifiedpatents.com | Aeritas reexamination request granted Unified Patents [21:07] techrights-bot/fn Corrupt #epo keeps issuing illegal #patents such as #swpats https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2021/6/18/another-epo-challenge-filed-against-etri when challenged, the appeal goes to #kangaroocourts controlled by what EPO INSIDERS call "MAFIA" [21:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unifiedpatents.com | Another EPO challenge filed against ETRI Unified Patents [21:07] schestowitz I am going to finalise part 14 of the EPO series now [21:07] schestowitz tomorrow the finale [21:08] schestowitz 11 documents in today's part, Part 14 [21:11] schestowitz Ariadne might want to read [21:11] schestowitz these exposes are why she decided to support us as she did [21:11] schestowitz and many people are working hard to produce these [21:20] techrights-bot/fn Many of them will not pay but die instead, because of #patents ... https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/06/patent-extensions-keep-drug-costs-high/ [21:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.motherjones.com | Why Americans Pay Through the Nose for Brand-Name Drugs Mother Jones [21:20] techrights-bot/fn FOSS Patents: Podcast on key patent injunction developments: new German patent injunction statute, ECJ referral regarding preliminary injunctions, and standard-essential patent injunctions http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/06/podcast-on-key-patent-injunction.html #fosspatents | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/21/#latest [21:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Podcast on key patent injunction developments: new German patent injunction statute, ECJ referral regarding preliminary injunctions, and standard-essential patent injunctions [21:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [21:20] rando/fn MSG psydroid test [21:20] rando/fn test [21:21] techrights-bot/fn FOSS Patents: Podcast on key #patent #injunction developments: new German patent injunction statute, ECJ referral regarding preliminary injunctions, and standard-essential patent injunctions http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/06/podcast-on-key-patent-injunction.html #fosspatents [21:21] schestowitz rando: app? [21:22] *mib_aeyfkf (~5c190921@q8ban9vyag5t6.irc) has joined #techrights [21:38] *mib_aeyfkf has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [21:43] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has joined #techrights [21:49] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has left #techrights ● Jun 21 [22:30] kingoffrance schestowitz, you meant to highlight KindOne/fn but yeah listening now the interview is pretty cringey [22:30] schestowitz whcih part/s [22:30] schestowitz ? [22:30] schestowitz I wanted to say more [22:30] kingoffrance everything [22:30] kingoffrance let me finish [22:30] schestowitz but it bridges across to FN [22:30] schestowitz and don't want to get us in trouble there [22:31] kingoffrance (finish listening, np) [22:31] kingoffrance just concurring [22:31] XRevan86 self-censorship [22:31] kingoffrance lol come to social [22:32] schestowitz XRevan86: exactly [22:32] schestowitz that's what happens when dealing with dictators [22:32] schestowitz who make "examples" of people [22:32] schestowitz c/f Putler [22:33] kingoffrance well i am trying to not stir shit, and separate content/style. so i am giving benefit of doubt for any content. cringey i mean style [22:34] XRevan86 schestowitz: Well I'm not holding back :) [22:38] KindOne/fn What exactly are they going to do if you give your opinion? [22:39] XRevan86 schestowitz: Don't hold back because of these people. [22:39] KindOne/fn I've expressed my opions loud and clear, im still here. [22:39] KindOne/fn opinions [22:41] XRevan86 KindOne: I saw your nick pop up during the interview, I was surprising that ye would participate in such trash. [22:41] XRevan86 even as trashtalking rasengan [22:41] XRevan86 * surprised [22:41] XRevan86 30C is doing a number on my ability to use language. [22:41] techrights-bot/fn Virtual Injustice Part 14: How Mandatory ViCo Became the New Normal http://techrights.org/2021/06/21/vico-as-new-normal/ #epo #europe #corruption #patents [22:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Virtual Injustice Part 14: How Mandatory ViCo Became the New Normal | Techrights [22:42] KindOne/fn I was mostly there to spam my short and sweet opinions, like "FUCK YOU LEE" [22:42] XRevan86 KindOne: Yea, that was unnecessary. [22:42] KindOne/fn What exactly is he going to do about it? K/G/Z-line me? [22:43] XRevan86 KindOne: I just mean that it's not constructive criticism. And it's not going against the trolls that flooded that chat, it's joining them. [22:44] XRevan86 https://twitter.com/Dinnerbone/status/1407069024643686401 [22:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Dinnerbone: Did some snooping around this really weird https://t.co/ViENvUmy9i becoming https://t.co/3LFosH6tm7 thing. You can https://t.co/myLSGAhPdI [22:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> IRC.com [22:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> freenode.net | freenode [22:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Dinnerbone: Did some snooping around this really weird https://t.co/ViENvUmy9i becoming https://t.co/3LFosH6tm7 thing. You can https://t.co/myLSGAhPdI [22:45] XRevan86 So this person actually investigated the IRC.com Android application. [22:45] schestowitz Kape Tech [22:45] schestowitz so-called 'tech' [22:46] schestowitz after what they did, prior to the firm'e rename [22:46] schestowitz one can guess where this "app" is going [22:46] XRevan86 In the direction of Cisco Jabber? [22:47] KindOne/fn irc.irc.com just connected to irc.snoonet.org, literally name network, just a different NETWORK= in the 004 or 005 whenever you connect [22:47] KindOne/fn s/name/same/ [22:47] XRevan86 $ dig +short CNAME irc.irc.com [22:47] XRevan86 chat.freenode.net. [22:47] schestowitz what is snoonet? [22:48] KindOne/fn https://snoonet.org/posts/2021/06/20/updates-to-irc-com-infrastructure/ [22:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-snoonet.org | Snoonet Updates to IRC.com infrastructure [22:48] XRevan86 schestowitz: Another IRC network, rasengan bought it some time ago. [22:48] XRevan86 there was some controversy regarding that too, but I haven't looked into that [22:48] KindOne/fn network with a bunch of subreddits, its not official [22:49] techrights-bot/fn These #patents ought not exist in the first place (for many reasons); they just make a concession of making "licensing" obligatory, which means obligatory tax http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/06/21/compulsory-licensing-argentina/ #patent #cartel [22:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Compulsory Licensing Argentina - Kluwer Patent Blog [22:51] techrights-bot/fn More paid-for #EPO puff pieces, to help distract from the EPO's crimes https://www.med-technews.com/news/latest-medtech-news/epo-announces-winners-of-annual-innovation-prize/ see http://techrights.org/2021/05/04/epo-eia-hush-money/ [22:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.med-technews.com | EPO announces winners of annual innovation prize - Med-Tech Innovation | Latest news for the medical device industry [22:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Already Wasting Money on Media Manipulation Campaigns for European Inventor Award | Techrights [22:52] techrights-bot/fn These people have absolutely no idea what "hey hi" is and they misuse terms like "open source" (to mean something else completely) https://www.managingip.com/article/b1sb9vtbhmfkjm/dont-donate-ai-by-mistake-in-house-speak-out-on-open-source [22:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Dont donate AI by mistake: in-house speak out on open source | Managing Intellectual Property [22:59] techrights-bot/fn 11 PM and still light outside. Must be some veeeery long day in the northern hemisphere. ^_^ [22:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 24.55 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 6.01 swarm size (avg): 307.52 ● Jun 21 [23:00] activelow it isn't "intellectual property", it is author's rights undermined, which involves the entire legal framework including social security, labor market regulations, taxation, minimum wage [23:00] techrights-bot/fn Best OCR Apps for Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152537 [23:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Best OCR Apps for Linux | Tux Machines [23:01] techrights-bot/fn Most Beautiful #GNU #Linux Distributions http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152538 [23:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Most Beautiful Linux Distributions | Tux Machines [23:02] techrights-bot/fn Tiny i.MX8M Mini module also ships on dev kit with Digi XBee http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152539 [23:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tiny i.MX8M Mini module also ships on dev kit with Digi XBee | Tux Machines [23:02] techrights-bot/fn #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152540 #Linux #TuxMachines [23:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [23:03] activelow EUPL explicitely insisting on a contributions remaining "royalty free" in parallel to a lacking and non-existent legal framework for social security in the EU [23:04] activelow roaming freely to avoid social security and taxation [23:04] techrights-bot/fn How mandatory #ViCo hearings gradually became the "New Normal" at the EPO. The lawlessness of the EPO has gone offline and online; Antnio Campinos takes up a notch the abuses of Benot Battistelli, with a COVID shot in the arm. http://techrights.org/2021/06/21/vico-as-new-normal/ #Techrights #Europe #Corruption #Patents | Gemini addre [23:04] techrights-bot/fn ss: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021 [23:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Virtual Injustice Part 14: How Mandatory ViCo Became the New Normal | Techrights [23:05] activelow privatization of Telecom was supposed to prevent monopoly, when instead it strengthened the ones in the interests of shareholders [23:05] techrights-bot/fn #CentOS replacement distro Rocky Linuxs first general release is out http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152518#comment-30013 [23:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Rocky Linux 8.4 Released For RHEL 8.4 / CentOS Alternative | Tux Machines [23:11] schestowitz XRevan86: buying and controlling people's comms is big business now [23:11] schestowitz MINDS also [23:11] schestowitz raise money, buy groups [23:11] schestowitz brainwash them [23:11] schestowitz censor some [23:11] schestowitz spy [23:11] schestowitz gain [23:11] schestowitz they're never benevolent [23:11] schestowitz except in their own minds, MAYBE. [23:13] techrights-bot/fn Software Updates that Respects Civil Liberties - #Purism https://puri.sm/posts/software-updates-that-respects-civil-liberties/ #pureos | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/21/#latest [23:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-puri.sm | Software Updates that Respects Civil Liberties Purism [23:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [23:15] techrights-bot/fn #Nvidia beefs up #DLSS with more games and #Linux support http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152534#comment-30014 [23:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | NVIDIA's DLSS upscaling comes to 'Rust' and a wave of Linux games | Tux Machines [23:16] techrights-bot/fn #ProprietarySoftware ramps, a move away from #softwareFreedom https://www.makeuseof.com/everything-you-need-to-know-about-snap-and-snap-store/ [23:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.makeuseof.com | Everything You Need to Know About Snap and Snap Store [23:17] techrights-bot/fn " #KernelCI is community-led test system focused on the upstream #Linux #kernel ." https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/news-and-events/successful-first-kernelci-hackfest.html [23:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.collabora.com | A very successful first KernelCI hackfest [23:20] techrights-bot/fn Hello Rocky Linux 8.4 (and belated Hello to Alma Linux too) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152518#comment-30015 [23:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Rocky Linux 8.4 Released For RHEL 8.4 / CentOS Alternative | Tux Machines [23:23] techrights-bot/fn Use your smartphone to control Wilson the IoT hat | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/06/21/use-your-smartphone-to-control-wilson-the-iot-hat/ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/21/#latest [23:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | Use your smartphone to control Wilson the IoT hat | Arduino Blog [23:24] techrights-bot/fn "When people talk about censorship they'll talk about Social Media giants like Facebook and Twitter, but the true evil of the internet are the payment processors they are the ones truely [sic] in control." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUGCg0B-h_U [23:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Payment Processors Are The True Internet Evil - YouTube [23:25] activelow "In terms of the size of the routing table, its as if the exhaustion of IPv4 addresses has not happened at all!", yes and IPv6 probably will blow up BGP routing tables further [23:25] techrights-bot/fn "easy to remember DNS server" = #spyware / #malware (YOU are the PRODUCT!) https://dwaves.de/2021/06/21/fastest-alternatives-to-googles-dns-servers-for-starlink-users-how-to-manually-dig-test-dns-nameservers/ [23:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- Fastest alternatives to Googles DNS servers for StarLink users how to manually dig-test dns nameservers | dwaves.de [23:26] activelow as I understand this BGP is a full mesh-grid protocol (each interncontinental node connected with each other), and regardless of increased data rates the BGP routing tables sizes shouldn't have increased [23:26] activelow this indicates severe mismanagement of the internet backbone [23:26] techrights-bot/fn #AMD SEV/SEV-ES Local Migration Support Patches For Linux - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-SEV-Local-Migration #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/21/#latest [23:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-AMD SEV/SEV-ES Local Migration Support Patches For Linux - Phoronix [23:29] activelow https://blog.apnic.net/2020/01/14/bgp-in-2019-the-bgp-table/ [23:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.apnic.net | BGP in 2019 - The BGP Table | APNIC Blog [23:30] techrights-bot/fn #Freenode and American imperialism. https://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/2021/06/22/accessibility-freenode-and-american-imperialism/ "You either put it on your desktop somewhere (insecure) or store it in the clown somewhere (somewhat secure but again need to remember that password), whatever you do is extra work." [23:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-flossexperiences.wordpress.com | Accessibility, Freenode and American imperialism. Experiences in the community [23:31] XRevan86 Not sure if scientes is around, but just in case: https://youtu.be/du5q_Jpk2rQ [23:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- . () - YouTube [23:32] techrights-bot/fn "Monday was the first day of #Akademy 2021 BoFs, group sessions and hacking." http://www.tuxmachines.org/comment/reply/152494 #kde [23:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE: Akademy, KNewStuff, and digiKam | Tux Machines [23:32] schestowitz XRevan86: Shakur? [23:32] Ariadne activelow: a lot of the problem is that noob netops don't aggregate netblocks, and ARIN is now issuing /24s directly [23:33] schestowitz wow [23:33] XRevan86 schestowitz: It's a parody on Boris Grebenshchikov commending on a recent event in Crimea. [23:34] schestowitz I lost track of Russia politics [23:34] XRevan86 scientes definitely heard at least one of his song, so he'll appreciate the style too [23:34] schestowitz no Meduza for 30 days in 2 days from no [23:34] XRevan86 https://youtu.be/v3RQ6x9qD8w this one in particular [23:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- - (Official Video) - YouTube [23:35] techrights-bot/fn #Zimbabwe https://www.chronicle.co.zw/president-signals-end-to-drugs-gun-crime/ "drug kingpins, drug peddlers, and gun-toting robbers" [23:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.chronicle.co.zw | President signals end to drugs, gun crime | The Chronicle [23:36] techrights-bot/fn #Emmabuntus DE4-rc1 is out. #debian #gnu #linux based from #france http://emmabuntus.org/ (fr) [23:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-emmabuntus.org | Emmabunts Collectif pour le remploi des ordinateurs et distribution Linux base sur Debian [23:36] XRevan86 schestowitz: Meduza didn't cover this anyway [23:36] schestowitz meduza halted operations (in English) in May 23th as far as I am concerned [23:37] XRevan86 https://dm.reddit.com/r/normaldayinrussia/comments/o1usja [23:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dm.reddit.com | Head of Crimea Aksenov, drifting in the flooded Kerch. "Emergency Situations Ministry employees are sailing behind the boat, they are in a hurry to the hospital substation." Swimmers in uniform are not lifeguards, the Ministry of Emergency Situations said. "They are" happy and contented ", they did : normaldayinrussia [23:37] schestowitz following sites using social control media or bookmarks is difficult [23:38] XRevan86 Speaking of https://nitter.snopyta.org/meduza_en/rss [23:38] XRevan86 a compromise solution [23:39] schestowitz haha. no, social control media [23:39] schestowitz also, no full text or excerpts [23:39] schestowitz RSSS was always a lot better [23:39] schestowitz but it was not controlled centrally [23:39] schestowitz so you know who stands to benefit from controlling subs [23:39] schestowitz youtube now hides channels and "content" from people WHO subscribe to them [23:40] schestowitz GoogleKnowsBest(TM) [23:40] schestowitz DoKnowEvil? [23:40] schestowitz it's like google superseding your RSS reader's preferences [23:41] schestowitz to interjects feeds into them, based on Google's (and partners') interests [23:41] schestowitz while hiding "bad" feeds from you [23:41] schestowitz that you subscribed to [23:42] activelow Ariadne: handing out /24 wouldn't be necessary if a sane topology was in place [23:42] MinceR Be Evil. [23:43] activelow i am not entirely sure how layer2 topology is "managed" nowadays, historically it was the job of monopolized telco [23:43] MinceR and the Alphabet version: Don't Do The Right Thing. [23:44] activelow it is noteworthy too since KabelDeutschland was sold from German Telecom to Vodafone UK since then Vodafone DENIES to provide me with an IPv6 at least, with the argument the Thompson modem couldn't support it [23:44] kingoffrance eh, i am about 1/2 way through l0derview i see culture wars, not much direct tech. so i kind of think there is not much to discuss unless ppl want to go to social. it was/is inevitable, and things are pretty much exactly the same they always were [23:44] activelow which is nonsense, since formerly German Telecom when KabelDeutschland was under their hood did provide me with IPv6 at least [23:46] XRevan86 kingoffrance: "and things are pretty much exactly the same they always were" huh? [23:49] XRevan86 I wonder what's going on on Snoonet, as I suspect that that network lost its reason to exist. [23:49] XRevan86 freenode is now Libera, Snoonet is now freenode [23:50] kingoffrance well lee and l0de imply open source people were taking over freenode, which is probably a common view here, but it wasnt about mods or channels so much as general larger EEE. yet freenode still champions "foss" and use the term, etc. i.e. it seems they didnt like what they thought was particular people, less about the term itself, or EEE or licensing etc. [23:50] kingoffrance *yet here it isnt about mods or channels so much as general larger EEE [23:50] MinceR is that "open source" in opposition to "free software"? [23:50] kingoffrance yeah thats what i mean, they didnt go into that [23:50] XRevan86 MinceR: No, "Big FOSS" [23:50] kingoffrance that too :/ [23:51] MinceR it's hard to interpret what they mean as they don't really explain it [23:51] kingoffrance ^ [23:51] MinceR what's "big FOSS"? [23:51] schestowitz KapOSS [23:51] schestowitz Kapo [23:51] XRevan86 MinceR: No one knows. [23:51] MinceR lol [23:51] schestowitz David Kappos [23:51] XRevan86 MinceR: But roughly it means the FOSS that didn't support rasengan [23:51] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/David_Kappos [23:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | David Kappos - Techrights [23:51] kingoffrance i feel like t-rex showed up, and cornered me, and then velicoraptors swooped in. so, let the culture ppl duke it out [23:51] XRevan86 i.e. in its entirety including FSF [23:51] schestowitz and dare I say https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapo [23:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Kapo - Wikipedia [23:52] schestowitz seems Freenode is owned by people who reject FOSS [23:52] XRevan86 I'm curious what opinion rasengan has on RMS now. [23:52] schestowitz the free in freenode is, afaik, a reference to free software [23:52] XRevan86 schestowitz: It definitely was. [23:52] XRevan86 That's what freenode was about. [23:52] MinceR for a while [23:53] kingoffrance (the velicoraptors jumped on the t-rex, giving ppl a short window of escape) [23:53] XRevan86 MinceR: Until May 2021 [23:53] schestowitz Kape on Freenode: http://techrights.org/2019/07/31/jim-zemlin-open-source-loves-microsoft/ [23:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Jim Zemlin: Open Source Loves Microsoft | Techrights [23:53] MinceR XRevan86: more like march [23:53] XRevan86 I don't know what freenode is about now. What was Snoonet about? [23:53] kingoffrance (other way around, doesnt matter) [23:53] MinceR i don't think anyone knows [23:54] MinceR snoonet was probably about reddit [23:54] psymin snoonet was about reddit or something [23:54] psymin jinx! [23:54] Ariadne snoo is the reddit mascot afaik [23:54] MinceR + [23:54] XRevan86 https://snoonet.org/posts/2021/06/20/updates-to-irc-com-infrastructure/ oh hey, another post [23:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-snoonet.org | Snoonet Updates to IRC.com infrastructure [23:55] XRevan86 it has different content than the other two [23:55] activelow Microsoft Teams and Skype emerging is a direct consequenc of Telco privatization too [23:55] MinceR XRevan86: though i suspect the signers were already against free software before then [23:55] XRevan86 Ariadne, psydroid, MinceR: Hm, freenode will not be about that probably [23:56] MinceR reddit? [23:56] XRevan86 reddit [23:56] Ariadne the 'free' in freenode now refers to 'free speech' [23:56] Ariadne except they g-line anyone who says stuff they dislike [23:56] Ariadne so, thats pretty funny [23:57] MinceR free g-lines for free speech. [23:57] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:57] Ariadne yeah i told them [23:57] Ariadne they should go with 'gong show' format [23:57] Ariadne g-line the chatters who aren't chatting hard enough [23:57] MinceR :> [23:58] activelow people socializing in web forums instead of newsgroups too since when Telco and Universities shut down their nntp services after they were privatized [23:58] techrights-bot/fn #Kernel Work and #Linux #Foundation http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152541 #ZemlinPAC #Linux #TuxMachines [23:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel Work and Linux Foundation | Tux Machines [23:58] XRevan86 > Roosevelt and Stalin are at the meeting. Roosevelt says, "One beautiful thing about America is that we have freedom of speech. That means that anybody can stand in front of the White House and say, 'Roosevelt is a piece of shit' and nobody would pay any attention." Stalin says, "We have freedom of speech in the Soviet Union too. Anybody can stand in front of the Kremlin and say, 'Roosevelt is a piec [23:58] XRevan86 e of shit' and no one would bat an eye." [23:58] cybrNaut/fn why is everyone appearing on the other side of a bridge now? [23:58] XRevan86 cybrNaut: Good morning, Mr. Freeman [23:59] XRevan86 cybrNaut: tl;dr: freenode is not to be relied on. [23:59] MinceR there were disturbances in the operation of freenode [23:59] Ariadne thats a very... generous way of describing what happened :D [23:59] MinceR for i am kind. [23:59] kingoffrance lol XRevan86