●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, July 21, 2021 ●● ● Jul 21 [00:00] brabo/fn Dad: smell this maple syrup [00:01] CrystalMath brabo/fn: if you didn't get it from me you'd get it from someone else [00:01] Dad/fn im actually not worried about getting it. survival rate is well above 99% [00:01] brabo/fn CrystalMath: and while that may be true, others ignorant behaviour does not justify yours [00:02] brabo/fn if everyone thinks that way, we're all fucked [00:02] CrystalMath brabo/fn: it's a coronavirus, they spread amazingly well, you simply will get it [00:02] CrystalMath sometimes my principle is "never give up, never surrender"... [00:02] MinceR we're overrun by parasites yet we're not dead yet [00:02] brabo/fn and that is why some basic measures can help avoid that.. [00:02] MinceR we have parasites such as politicians, suits and cultists [00:02] CrystalMath but when it comes to natural stuff, it's more like "always give up, always surrender" :P [00:03] XRevan86 MinceR: CrystalMath only cares when they do actual harm [00:03] schestowitz CrystalMath: do you want HIV? [00:03] XRevan86 the rest of society is a polar opposite [00:03] MinceR CrystalMath: you got that Galaxy Quest quote wrong [00:03] MinceR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ2hJezvd2I [00:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Never give up! Never surrender! - YouTube [00:04] Dad/fn in this context, our immune systems are a product of millions of years of survival selection in an ongoing war between macro life and micro life. we have evidence of viruses in our dna that predate our species. then, a hundred years or so of facilitating (from nature's view) adverse selection and a coronovirus is putting us on our ass. i wonder if we'll have enough juice left for whatever is next. [00:04] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@iimxr7awzznh4.irc) has joined #techrights [00:04] kingoffrance you're playing with fire. thats one small step to never gonna give you up :) [00:04] XRevan86 Dad: The myriad of side effects is also of no concern? [00:04] CrystalMath schestowitz: do i *want* HIV, tbh i was thinking about it as a possible way to guarantee an early death, but actually it's so painful and horrible that it might not be worth it; also without treatment (which is how i go through life) death can come very fast [00:04] CrystalMath so the answer is no actually [00:05] CrystalMath i'd rather die a different way [00:05] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [00:05] brabo/fn hey Dad, you clearly snuck in a pun towards me, how about answering? or shall i just send you a flowers with mapple syrup over them? [00:05] Dad/fn XRevan86 most people people who contract it aren't even aware they did and have no symptoms [00:05] MinceR > i wonder if we'll have enough juice left for whatever is next. [00:05] MinceR i hope not [00:05] MinceR humanity is a menace [00:05] XRevan86 Dad: 99.9%? [00:06] Dad/fn XRevan86 im not sure of exact numbers, i know it's high 90's [00:06] MinceR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgv7U3GYlDY [00:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-What a Savings - YouTube [00:06] Dad/fn the danger from coronavirus was never loss of life, that was propaganda. the danger was overload to our medical infrastructure for that small fraction that was impacted by it [00:07] MinceR overloading our medical infrastructure would have led to loss of life [00:07] Dad/fn yep [00:07] MinceR also, there's PASC [00:07] Dad/fn its primary vs secondary though [00:08] CrystalMath schestowitz: but if i do get HIV, i won't sent complaints anywhere, i will just write a goodbye note here before my brain goes away [00:08] CrystalMath *send [00:08] Dad/fn western medical infra needs an overhaul anyway. they're killing a ton of people by what should be malpractice. [00:10] Dad/fn im sad today. i wanted to go to the range tonight but i forgot to do laundry. [00:10] brabo/fn Dad: ah is the range all you got after the AF refused you and courtney dumped you? i pity you.. [00:12] brabo/fn at least you got that nice lake closeby to cool off [00:13] Dad/fn so are you guys covering the bezos rocket thing? [00:14] Dad/fn kind of an austin powers moment [00:14] Dad/fn https://insider-voice.com/wp-content/uploads/106878484-1620221205794-blueorigin_newshepard_ns10_launchweb.jpeg [00:15] MinceR lol [00:15] Dad/fn MinceR, first thing I thought was: https://youtu.be/CpiP_jN1Pv4 [00:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Austin powers - it looks like a giant..... - YouTube [00:16] MinceR :) [00:17] Dad/fn what an oddly phallic design [00:17] Dad/fn like how is that not deliberate [00:18] Dad/fn seems like you could have some fun with that [00:19] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:19] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:24] techrights-news Thousands of #penguins crowding near Ukrainian polar station https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-society/3283216-thousands-of-penguins-crowding-near-ukrainian-polar-station.html [00:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ukrinform.net | Thousands of penguins crowding near Ukrainian polar station [00:24] techrights-news Design for Disassembly: This Old Idea is the Wave of the Future https://www.core77.com/posts/109506/Design-for-Disassembly-This-Old-Idea-is-the-Wave-of-the-Future [00:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Design for Disassembly: This Old Idea is the Wave of the Future - Core77 [00:24] techrights-news #China says #Microsoft hacking accusations fabricated by US and allies https://www.databreaches.net/china-says-microsoft-hacking-accusations-fabricated-by-us-and-allies/ it is the fault of Microsoft that holes exist [00:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.databreaches.net | China says Microsoft hacking accusations fabricated by US and allies [00:25] techrights-news " #Huawei has made "no overall improvement" in software engineering processes for its #UK telecoms equipment's firmware, its #GCHQ overseers have warned." huawei_hcsec_oversight_report_muted_criticism [00:26] Dad/fn like any western news source is going to be credible about Huawei's internal processes now [00:28] techrights-news Probably #microsoft #windows (i.e. the usual) https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/20/northern_trains_ticketing_system/ [00:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Northern Train's ticketing system out to lunch as ransomware attack shuts down servers The Register [00:28] techrights-news The Killer Feature Of Tiling #WindowManagers Isn't Tiling https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTzFoJfEXyU #gnu #linux [00:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Killer Feature Of Tiling Window Managers Isn't Tiling - YouTube [00:28] techrights-news #proprietarySoftware https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/20/fortinet_rce/ [00:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Fortinet's security appliances hit by remote code execution vulnerability The Register [00:32] techrights-news #bospar is a malicious spamming operation. When they said they'd stop it always turned out to be a lie. Their offices should be raised and their spammers apprehended, [00:32] techrights-news Using Linux at work - KDE Edition https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxAYN4Y2dew #kde #gnu #linux [00:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Using Linux at work - KDE Edition - YouTube [00:33] techrights-news An Arduino-powered micro quadruped that fits in the palm of your hand | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/07/20/an-arduino-powered-micro-quadruped-that-fits-in-the-palm-of-your-hand/ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/20/#latest [00:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | An Arduino-powered micro quadruped that fits in the palm of your hand | Arduino Blog [00:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [00:35] techrights-news "and secure boot." That's an ANTI-feature http://linuxgizmos.com/tiny-compute-module-and-dev-kit-give-root-to-stm32mp1-applications/ [00:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 520 @ http://linuxgizmos.com/tiny-compute-module-and-dev-kit-give-root-to-stm32mp1-applications/ ) [00:35] techrights-news #ibm is #greenwashing #surveillance https://developer.ibm.com/blogs/how-natural-language-processing-can-fight-deforestation/ [00:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developer.ibm.com | How natural language processing can fight deforestation: MANA-Vox IBM Developer [00:36] techrights-news "A *loooong* conversation with Jeri Ellsworth, self-made inventor, chip designer, AR entrepreneur and keynote speaker at Akademy 2021." https://tube.kockatoo.org/videos/watch/32434d48-ce6f-4b95-a618-0109eb88223f [00:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tube.kockatoo.org | Akademy 2021 Interview: In Conversation with Jeri Ellsworth - Kockatoo Tube [00:37] techrights-news Conflating "Linux" with #systemd http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153598#comment-30348 [00:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines [00:37] techrights-news #Mozilla is dead. And it is outsourcing to #Microsoft #proprietarysoftware now.. Stick a form it it. Mozilla is a walking dead. https://hacks.mozilla.org/2021/07/spring-cleaning-mdn-part-1/ http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_Github [00:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hacks.mozilla.org | Spring Cleaning MDN: Part 1 - Mozilla Hacks - the Web developer blog [00:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Delete Github - Techrights [00:39] *koo6 has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [00:40] techrights-news Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153622 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [00:46] techrights-news WordPress 5.8 Tatum Released with Some Amazing New Features http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153609#comment-30349 [00:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | WordPress 5.8 Tatum | Tux Machines [00:46] techrights-news Warning about #Packt https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/packtpub-preorder.html [00:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ctrl.blog | Dont preorder ebooks from Packt Publishing [00:47] techrights-news Videos/Shows: Tiling Window Managers, GNU/Linux at Work, and Akademy 2021 Interview http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153621 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Videos/Shows: Tiling Window Managers, GNU/Linux at Work, and Akademy 2021 Interview | Tux Machines [00:47] techrights-news #Devices : Arduino, Design for Disassembly, MYIR, #OnePlus http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153620 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Devices: Arduino, Design for Disassembly, MYIR, OnePlus | Tux Machines [00:48] techrights-news #AMD Posts Linux Graphics Driver Patches For "Cyan Skillfish" http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153619 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | AMD Posts Linux Graphics Driver Patches For "Cyan Skillfish" | Tux Machines [00:49] XRevan86 I was surprised to see this: https://falkon.org/development/ [00:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.falkon.org | Development - Falkon [00:49] techrights-news "This guy really missed the point why PDF files exist and what they are for... PDF exist to print file, that's why the static layout, all the rest are additions created by non-design choices, commercial pressures etc." https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006949.html [00:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | Deurbanising the Web [00:49] XRevan86 So I looked around and saw this: https://invent.kde.org/network/falkon/-/commit/249da2470d3b125325e1d6336d98dbd63fdb1088 [00:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-invent.kde.org | Update IRC network in the README (249da247) Commits Network / Falkon GitLab [00:51] schestowitz Freenode is FOSS! [00:52] schestowitz "authored 1 month ago by Nicols Alvarez's avatar Nicols Alvarez " [00:52] techrights-news How Calls became a part of GNOME http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153618 #gnome #gnu #linux #purism [00:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How Calls became a part of GNOME | Tux Machines [00:53] XRevan86 schestowitz: Britain is the largest empire on Earth! [00:53] techrights-news #NVIDIA Brings Its RTX Tech To #Linux On Arm http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153547#comment-30347 [00:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | NVIDIA 470.57.02 Graphics Driver Brings Support for RTX 3070/80 Ti GPUs, DOOM Eternal Fixes | Tux Machines [00:53] Dad/fn there are like 150 people in #kde :: shrug :: [00:53] schestowitz XRevan86: was [00:54] XRevan86 schestowitz: exactly :) [00:54] techrights-news #Wine 6.13 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153617 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wine 6.13 | Tux Machines [00:54] Dad/fn US or China [00:55] Dad/fn hard to tell with big red though, sometimes their balloons pop and there's nothing in there [00:55] kingoffrance eh, surely empires need emperor(s) [00:55] techrights-news #Games : Ubisoft/SteamOS, Starmancer, and DXVK-NVAPI 0.4 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153616 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Ubisoft/SteamOS, Starmancer, and DXVK-NVAPI 0.4 | Tux Machines [00:55] XRevan86 kingoffrance: Are ye implying teddy bears cannot be emperors? [00:55] Dad/fn we dont need an emperor [00:55] Dad/fn we have Dad [00:55] kingoffrance i can accept kingdoms :) [00:56] kingoffrance XRevan86, i will have to see, maybe pooh bear does claim that [00:56] Dad/fn doesnt he refer to himself as party general secretart [00:56] Dad/fn *secretary [00:57] Dad/fn "emperor xi" is a westernism i think [00:58] kingoffrance https://asiatimes.com/2020/06/xi-jinping-the-second-emperor-of-china/ that says yea [00:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-asiatimes.com | Xi Jinping: The second emperor of China - Asia Times ● Jul 21 [01:00] kingoffrance yes looks like that Dad https://theconversation.com/why-china-wont-let-people-compare-xi-jinping-with-an-imperial-predecessor-92617 [01:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-theconversation.com | Why China won't let people compare Xi Jinping with an imperial predecessor [01:00] kingoffrance subjective/objective thing perhaps [01:00] kingoffrance you cant *say* that [01:01] Dad/fn yeah the west formed all of its political views during WWII lol [01:02] techrights-news #Debian GNU/Linux 10 Buster Users Get New Linux Kernel Security Update, 4 Flaws Patched http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153615 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:02] XRevan86 I'd like to interject for a moment, what ye're referring to as Tsar Putin is, in fact, President Putin or as I've recently taken to calling him, National Leader Putin. [01:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian GNU/Linux 10 Buster Users Get New Linux Kernel Security Update, 4 Flaws Patched | Tux Machines [01:02] XRevan86 a westernism I think [01:02] kingoffrance is caesarism considered western? thats czar :) [01:03] kingoffrance theres probably a few types of "caesars" [01:03] Dad/fn we were talking about china [01:03] Dad/fn you are talking about russia [01:03] XRevan86 Emperor of Japan is a thing [01:03] schestowitz we have borisnaro [01:03] Dad/fn yeah that's a thing [01:03] schestowitz they call him a clown [01:03] schestowitz as if his malicious actions are just "jokes" [01:04] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 21.65 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 9.15 swarm size (avg): 285.66 [01:04] XRevan86 Emperor of Korea was a thing, there is even an heir to that throne :D [01:04] XRevan86 (and we're back to freenode) [01:04] schestowitz no [01:04] schestowitz it's some particular part of it [01:04] schestowitz and goes back over 100 years [01:05] schestowitz so you might imagine dozens of descendants [01:05] XRevan86 schestowitz: Naturally. [01:05] schestowitz it helps him raise money )loans) [01:05] schestowitz I took could come up with bogus fancy names [01:06] Dad/fn be careful not to confuse asian hereditary successsion to english renaissance hereditary succession [01:06] XRevan86 schestowitz: But since he started calling himself that, I also no longer feel restrained from mocking him about this. [01:06] Dad/fn we have a tendency to think they all work the same with the same customs [01:06] schestowitz it's like those BROKE people who buy or rend a Ferrari to get laid [01:06] Dad/fn i have never seen andrew refer to himself as that [01:07] XRevan86 Dad: https://freenode.net/news/on-free-speech [01:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net | On Free Speech - freenode [01:07] schestowitz yeah [01:07] schestowitz beat me to it [01:07] XRevan86 He's a Highness now [01:07] Dad/fn he has not once ever in my presence demanded any royal acknowledgment [01:07] schestowitz I challenged hi over it inn person [01:07] XRevan86 (in more than one way) [01:07] Dad/fn well HIH, there it is [01:07] Dad/fn im surprised really [01:07] schestowitz (sorry for typos, netish keyboard) [01:07] Dad/fn i mean have you had a conversation with the guy [01:08] XRevan86 Dad: Yes, yes we have. [01:08] Dad/fn i have a hard time believing you did schestowitz, you seem to only communicate in public [01:08] schestowitz mark shuttleworth referred to himself as benevolent dictator [01:08] Dad/fn so does patrick volkerding [01:09] Dad/fn and pat is actually a really, really nice guy [01:09] XRevan86 Dad: No, they communicated in private, so have I. [01:09] XRevan86 but I not as much [01:09] schestowitz I share what I can [01:09] schestowitz but I made a promise to him to keep him private [01:09] schestowitz spoke about his kids and stuff [01:10] Dad/fn yeah i'd keep that out of the public spotlight as much as possible, these people are crazy [01:10] Dad/fn every 3rd brabo has a violence potential [01:10] DaemonFC IHOP must be desperate for customers. They had a bunch of discounts/rebates that stacked if you got carryout. Turned a $32 meal for me and Mandy into $20. [01:10] techrights-news Reverse-engineering the #Mali G78 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153614 #linux #graphics [01:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Reverse-engineering the Mali G78 | Tux Machines [01:10] DaemonFC Restaurant looked pretty dead inside. Like nobody was taking care of the fixtures. [01:10] DaemonFC One family sitting down and eating. [01:11] techrights-news #Firefox May Have Lost Up to 12% Of Its Users So Far In 2021 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153613 #www #freesw #mozilla #TuxMachines [01:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Firefox May Have Lost Up to 12% Of Its Users So Far In 2021 | Tux Machines [01:11] Dad/fn i dont go to ihop [01:11] Dad/fn everything is sticky there [01:11] DaemonFC "Firefox May Have Lost Up to 12% Of Its Users So Far In 2021" [01:11] DaemonFC Wouldn't surprise me. [01:12] brabo/fn Dad: nice twisting there, as if i am the one trying to talk publicly about doxing me and approaching colleagues of mine to do it ;) [01:12] DaemonFC Microsoft has put some effort into rebranding Chrome and then leaning on people to keep it. [01:12] brabo/fn but hey, cool off in that nice lake just east of you [01:12] schestowitz DaemonFC: safer to eat at home [01:13] schestowitz and rianne is an excellent cook [01:13] schestowitz I doubt people will club for long [01:13] schestowitz given the risk and requirements like "apps" for spying [01:13] schestowitz people would rather drink and parties in homes [01:14] XRevan86 https://boost.org/community/irc.html this page hasn't been touched in a while, but #boost on freenode doesn't even have a topic set. [01:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.boost.org | Boost IRC Hangouts [01:14] brabo/fn schestowitz: people are concerned about spying as much as they actually abandoned faceboob [01:14] kingoffrance Dad/fn "you are talking about russia" i believe XRevan86 was a bit tongue-in-cheek [01:15] techrights-news Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153612 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:15] XRevan86 indeed [01:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [01:15] techrights-news The best #email client for Linux, Windows and macOS isnt Outlook http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153611 [01:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The best email client for Linux, Windows and macOS isn't Outlook | Tux Machines [01:19] DaemonFC You mean where Boris can't do anything? [01:20] schestowitz Yeltsin [01:20] techrights-news #Security, Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153610 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security, Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt | Tux Machines [01:20] techrights-news #WordPress 5.8 Tatum http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153609 #GPL #FreeSW #CMS #TuxMachines [01:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | WordPress 5.8 Tatum | Tux Machines [01:23] techrights-news "and since the EPC does not stipulate that dogs cannot partipate in oral proceedings, I can take my dog with me to my next hearing. Your logic is unbeatable." #epo #corruption #kangarooCourts #germany http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/07/16/case-g1-21-eba-gives-no-clarity-about-videoconferencing/ [01:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Case G1/21: EBA gives no clarity about videoconferencing - Kluwer Patent Blog [01:26] techrights-news "One more blow at the Boards independence?" #epo #corruption #kangarooCourts #germany http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/07/16/case-g1-21-eba-gives-no-clarity-about-videoconferencing/ [01:27] techrights-news #GPL Enforcement and Violations: #Stockfish and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153608 #GNU #FreeSW #TuxMachines [01:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GPL Enforcement and Violations: Stockfish and More | Tux Machines [01:29] techrights-news #VirtualBox 6.1.24 Released with Support for Linux 5.13 and Ubuntu Specific Kernels http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153602 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | VirtualBox 6.1.24 Released with Support for Linux 5.13 and Ubuntu Specific Kernels | Tux Machines [01:31] techrights-news Linux 5.12 Kernel Reaches End of Life, Upgrade to Linux Kernel 5.13 Now http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153603 #Kernel #Linux #TuxMachines [01:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 5.12 Kernel Reaches End of Life, Upgrade to Linux Kernel 5.13 Now | Tux Machines [01:31] techrights-news Freedom moving forward: An overview of the FSFs history http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153604 #GNU #FSF #TuxMachines [01:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Freedom moving forward: An overview of the FSF's history | Tux Machines [01:32] MinceR Dad/fn: someone called bezos' vehicle "The Blue Organ" :> [01:33] techrights-news #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153607 #Linux #TuxMachines [01:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [01:34] techrights-news Stable Kernels: 5.13.4, 5.12.19, 5.10.52, 5.4.134, 4.19.198, 4.14.240, 4.9.276, and 4.4.276 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153606 #Kernel #Linux #TuxMachines [01:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Stable Kernels: 5.13.4, 5.12.19, 5.10.52, 5.4.134, 4.19.198, 4.14.240, 4.9.276, and 4.4.276 | Tux Machines [01:35] techrights-news Links 21/7/2021: WordPress 5.8, Wine 6.13, and VirtualBox 6.1.24 http://techrights.org/2021/07/20/virtualbox-6-1-24/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/20/virtualbox-6-1-24/ [01:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 21/7/2021: WordPress 5.8, Wine 6.13, and VirtualBox 6.1.24 | Techrights [01:38] techrights-news "handheld called the #SteamDeck but unlike the last time they tried this, Linux gaming is very different in fact Linux gaming for most titles is basically seamless." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfqwUXU2FQ0 [01:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SteamDeck Is Here: Has Valve Learnt From Last Time - YouTube [01:41] techrights-news Dan Goodin interjecting extra drama, comparing an OS with #backdoors to this #systemd bug http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153598#comment-30350 [01:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines [01:42] *inky_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [01:43] techrights-news The Snoring Guardian listens while you sleep and vibrates when you start to snore | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/07/20/the-snoring-guardian-listens-while-you-sleep-and-vibrates-when-you-start-to-snore/ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/21/#latest [01:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | The Snoring Guardian listens while you sleep and vibrates when you start to snore | Arduino Blog [01:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [01:44] DaemonFC https://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/ooc29b/im_not_making_this_up_this_is_an_actual_picture/ [01:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | I'm not making this up, this is an actual picture of Jeff Bezos' rocket : dogecoin [01:44] DaemonFC MinceR, ^ [01:44] DaemonFC The Austin Powers comments happened quickly. [01:45] techrights-news New #malware released from #gulag https://chromereleases.googleblog.com/2021/07/stable-channel-update-for-desktop_20.html [01:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-chromereleases.googleblog.com | Chrome Releases: Stable Channel Update for Desktop [01:47] DaemonFC https://www.reddit.com/r/walmart/comments/onpdnl/dont_forget_to_store_use_that_fan/ [01:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Dont forget to store use that fan : walmart [01:48] techrights-news #mozila #deletegithub #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware https://medium.com/@mmayo/how-we-airdropped-4700-meebitsdao-red-ticket-nfts-f46175bd44c9 http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_Github [01:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How we airdropped 4700 MeebitsDAO Red Ticket NFTs | by Mark Mayo | Jul, 2021 | Medium [01:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Delete Github - Techrights [01:49] techrights-news Authentication in an Enterprise https://prezu.ca/post/2021-01-20-authentication-at-enterprise/ "With additional DNS spoofing you might be connecting to the wrong website." [01:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-prezu.ca | Authentication in an Enterprise [01:50] techrights-news Dirk Eddelbuettel: #pkgKitten 0.2.2 on CRAN: Small Updates http://dirk.eddelbuettel.com/blog/2021/07/20#pkgKitten_0.2.2 [01:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dirk.eddelbuettel.com | Thinking inside the box [01:54] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [01:55] techrights-news A lot of this can be automated https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2021/07/14/security-vulnerabilities-data-center-servers/ [01:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.helpnetsecurity.com | Dealing with security vulnerabilities on data center servers requires more skilled staff - Help Net Security [01:57] techrights-news #Australia government in talks to buy Pacific Islands' top #telco https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/20/telstra_government_funded_digicel_purchase/ [01:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Australian government in talks to buy Pacific Islands' top telco The Register ● Jul 21 [02:01] techrights-news 8 Best Icon Themes for Ubuntu (2021 Edition) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153623 [02:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 8 Best Icon Themes for Ubuntu (2021 Edition) | Tux Machines [02:01] techrights-news #Kaisen Linux Rolling 1.7 Release Notes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153624 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kaisen Linux Rolling 1.7 Release Notes | Tux Machines [02:03] techrights-news Is Access Advanced Really Checking Essentiality? -- An #HEVC Case Study https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2021/7/12/access-advanced-checking-essentiality a #swpats #cartel http://techrights.org/2015/07/26/hevc-cartel/ [02:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unifiedpatents.com | Is Access Advanced Really Checking Essentiality? -- An HEVC Case Study Unified Patents [02:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | HEVC Cartel is Not News, Only the Names of Backers and the Costs Are New | Techrights [02:03] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 21.81 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 26.60 swarm size (avg): 285.68 [02:04] techrights-news #patent extremist and blowhard Gene Quinn now uses #watchtroll to prop up #HeritageFoundation ... can people recognise that site for what it truly is? http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Watchtroll [02:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Watchtroll - Techrights [02:08] *phebus has quit (Quit: POKE 1,0) [02:11] schestowitz 22k is now the max for freenode https://netsplit.de/networks/statistics.php?net=freenode [02:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-netsplit.de | NO TITLE [02:12] techrights-news Legal Alert: New Hatch-Waxman-Style #Patent #Law Formally Adopted by Chinas National Peoples Congress; to Take Effect June 1, 2021 https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/legal-alert-new-hatch-waxman-style-30195/ [02:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Legal Alert: New Hatch-Waxman-Style Patent Law Formally Adopted by Chinas National Peoples Congress; to Take Effect June 1, 2021 | Fish & Richardson - JDSupra [02:17] techrights-news Hoarding #patents in place of products https://lamberteatonnews.com/news-posts/2021/07/20/second-firdapse-us-patent-secured-catalyst-3-still-pending/ [02:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lamberteatonnews.com | Second Firdapse Patent Secured in US by Catalyst With 3 Still Pending [02:17] XRevan86 schestowitz: Nothing new is happening on that front, things have pretty much settled for now. [02:17] techrights-news "The vast majority of ex parte #patent appeals (92%) are focused on obviousness, with 2/3 of those only addressing obviousness questions." https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/07/notes-appeals-patent.html #uspto #fakepatents #ptab [02:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Notes on Ex Parte Appeals of Patent Cases | Patently-O [02:18] XRevan86 Idlers idle, CMaths enjoy their new network without the FOSS annoyances, FOSS has moved to Libera mostly, and the people move on with their lives leaving the past in the past. [02:20] schestowitz I wonder what it will take for cubexyz zoobab et al to move over to self-hosted [02:21] schestowitz We actually moved to #techrights at irc.techrights.org (the IRC client needs to be configured to connect to it) which is the correct channel to use). [02:21] schestowitz we are on freenode as backup in case of downtime mostly [02:22] XRevan86 schestowitz: Something should be done to the wording in http://techrights.org/irc-channel/ [02:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Channels | Techrights [02:22] techrights-news Journo who went to prison for 2 years for breaking US cyber-security law is jailed again https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/20/journalist_prison_offending/ "Deletion of employer's YouTube account" [02:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Journo who went to prison for 2 years for breaking US cyber-security law is jailed again The Register [02:26] techrights-news #Security Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153625 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines [02:28] *inky_ (~inky@46.36.118.203) has joined #techrights [02:31] techrights-news #Google and Mozilla Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153626 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Google and Mozilla Leftovers | Tux Machines [02:34] techrights-news Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153627 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [02:35] techrights-news "The virus has the audacity not to even notify the person that they were infected." http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-200721.html#tJul%2020%2023:33:28 [02:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 [02:36] techrights-news *** *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social IRC logs ready. 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[02:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 [02:39] techrights-news "nVidia proprietary drivers updated for OpenMandriva Lx 4.2 and Rolling branches. Also instructions for installing the drivers." https://www.openmandriva.org/en/breve/nvidia-proprietary-driver-packages-for-om-lx-4-2-and-rolling [02:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.openmandriva.org | nVidia proprietary driver packages for OM Lx 4.2 and (...) - OpenMandriva [02:39] schestowitz XRevan86: yes [02:39] techrights-news *** *** Yesterday's #techbytes IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-200721.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-200721.txt Read the log now... [02:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 [02:40] schestowitz budy night ahead [02:40] schestowitz I fight with BT [02:40] schestowitz also: [02:40] schestowitz DDOS on Tuxmachines [02:40] schestowitz I've just improved the protections [02:40] techrights-news *** *** Yesterday's bulletin ready. http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2021-07-20.txt [02:40] schestowitz tux machines is very prominent in results now [02:41] schestowitz as much of the 'competition' perished [02:41] techrights-news Dave Airlie: llvmpipe/lavapipe: anisotropic texture filtering http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153628 #linux #graphics [02:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Dave Airlie: llvmpipe/lavapipe: anisotropic texture filtering | Tux Machines [02:43] XRevan86 schestowitz: I wanted to write to cubexyz about the network today (again) but I thought of that after your answer to him, which was a few hours past his moment of activity. [02:44] XRevan86 Haven't had a conversation with him in a while. [02:44] schestowitz he is busy moving to slackware latest [02:44] schestowitz slackware 'left' freenode [02:44] schestowitz (read: was kicked out) [02:45] XRevan86 schestowitz: Haven't heard of that, as far as I am aware it never was on it in the first place. [02:45] *acer-box____ is now known as schestowitz2 [02:45] schestowitz2 so it is no "safe space" for users of slackware [02:46] schestowitz2 heck, I think I might start typing into IRC from this PC instead [02:46] XRevan86 Maybe some developers were involved in the channel, I don't know freenode doesn't fancy the developer" kind. [02:47] *schestowitz2 is now known as schestowitz-TR [02:47] schestowitz-TR XRevan86: FWICT, lee isn't much of a dev [02:47] schestowitz-TR he tinkers a bit with JS [02:47] schestowitz-TR at least he was persuaded to host his own git repo [02:48] schestowitz-TR it's always good to be in control of one's code, changes, infra etc. [02:48] XRevan86 https://slackware.com/~rworkman/slackware-irc/ expectations and reality matched once again [02:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Failed connect to slackware.com:443; Connection refused ( status 0 @ https://slackware.com/~rworkman/slackware-irc/ ) [02:48] XRevan86 http://slackware.com/~rworkman/slackware-irc/ I mean [02:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-##slackware info [02:49] schestowitz https://ariadne.space/ [02:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ariadne.space | Ariadne's Space [02:49] schestowitz " [02:49] schestowitz My first experience with IRC was in 1999. I was in middle school, and a friend of mine ordered a Slackware CD from Walnut Creek CDROM. This was Slackware 3.4, and contained the GNOME 1.x desktop environment on the disc, which came with the BitchX IRC client. [02:49] schestowitz At first, I didnt really know what BitchX was, I just thought it was a cool program that displayed random ascii art, and then tried to connect to various servers. After a while, I found out that an IRC client allowed you to connect to an IRC network, and get help with Slackware. [02:49] schestowitz At that time, freenode didnt exist. The Slackware IRC channel was on DALnet, and I started using DALnet to learn more about Slackware. Like most IRC newbies, it didnt go so well: I got banned from #slackware in like 5 minutes or something. I pleaded for forgiveness, in the way redolent of a middle schooler. And eventually, I got unbanned and stuck around for a while. That was my first experience with IRC. [02:49] schestowitz " [02:49] schestowitz-TR :) " I got unbanned and stuck around for a while." [02:50] schestowitz-TR who knew slackware itself would be banned a couple of decades down the line [02:50] XRevan86 schestowitz: There's a new Slackware-related channel on freenode, it has a whopping 11 people. [02:50] schestowitz-TR because Park the Bear got pissed off [02:51] Ariadne slackware was originally on DALnet, then DALnet was ddos attacked so they moved to openprojects [02:51] schestowitz-TR yes, I know it predates its presence there in freenode [02:51] schestowitz-TR dalnet was how I got started [02:51] Dad/fn you're not looking in the right place [02:52] Ariadne 00:33 [freenode] -!- You are banned from this server- Courtesy of Phanes/Bagira (2021/6/13 01.33) [02:52] Ariadne 00:33 [freenode] -!- ERROR Closing Link: mirrors.slackware.com (K-Lined) [02:52] Ariadne 00:33 [freenode] -!- Irssi: Connection lost to irc.freenode.net [02:52] Ariadne why am i not surprised [02:52] XRevan86 Dad: #slackware is not the right place? [02:52] Dad/fn ##slackware is where the cool kids are XRevan86 [02:52] Ariadne to the extent that any child is actually using slackware in 2021 [02:52] XRevan86 Dad: With a pointer away to a single-hash one in the topic. [02:52] schestowitz-TR 45 users [02:53] schestowitz-TR in ##slackware [02:54] XRevan86 schestowitz: 145, on Libera [02:54] schestowitz-TR so they have been partitioned [02:54] schestowitz-TR like many other projects [02:54] XRevan86 Dad: So, why aren't the cool kids following the topic? Idling? [02:54] Dad/fn that's actually expected. one of the first things i did on this network was remove some old stalkers that had made it high up in that community over the years with the staff turning a blind eye to it [02:55] schestowitz-TR and you can never maximise reach to people who can help [02:55] Dad/fn so they took some people with them to Libera where their behaviours and natures will be overlooked and enabled [02:55] Ariadne fascinating [02:55] XRevan86 schestowitz: Nah, people who can help are not partitioned, luckily. [02:56] schestowitz-TR XRevan86: I know what you mean [02:56] schestowitz-TR that's the reason over 95% of our constructive conversations are here [02:56] schestowitz-TR in libera not a work all day yesterday [02:56] Ariadne lets get it to 100% and kill the bridge :p [02:57] schestowitz-TR Ariadne: when everyone has crossed over [02:57] XRevan86 schestowitz: It's the same for other channels, the official destination is where it's at, unpartitioned. [02:57] schestowitz-TR it's also a downtime contingency [02:57] schestowitz-TR XRevan86: interesting [02:58] XRevan86 schestowitz: The slowpokes and renegades are not really all that helpful. [02:58] Dad/fn to be honest it doesn't really matter if one is official or the other is not, as a project folks should want as many support venues as possible in as many places as possible [02:58] schestowitz-TR well, IRC is not dead yet, but those wars would only help if many alternatives emerge in 66** [02:58] Ariadne so much to do [02:58] schestowitz-TR not in matrix, jabber etc. [02:58] Dad/fn the whole idea of centralizing to control everything is what created the problems that got addressed here [02:59] XRevan86 It's cool how what I'm saying is the exact opposite of what Dad is saying. [02:59] schestowitz-TR pleroma and mastodon tackle some issues, not others [02:59] *Dad/fn shrugs [02:59] Ariadne ive largely concluded that social media is bad [02:59] schestowitz-TR for instance, they're still susceptible to distraction and misinformation, even some forms of censorship [02:59] Dad/fn you're entitled to be wrong ● Jul 21 [03:00] Ariadne i also agree with phones [03:00] Ariadne phanes [03:00] Ariadne actually [03:00] schestowitz-TR I missed 2005 when we had millions of active blogs and technorati etc [03:00] Ariadne on the point that more support channels are better than less [03:00] schestowitz-TR the other day I saw that delicious had been offlined [03:01] Ariadne big tech doesnt want blogs [03:01] XRevan86 Fringe locations are not going to provide technical help at a level an official would. [03:01] Ariadne they want social control media [03:01] kingoffrance ^ "big tech" irony perhaps is social media is a type of centralized blog. ^^^^ [03:01] schestowitz-TR Ariadne: if those don't divide people along politics in otherwise technical project [03:01] kingoffrance they want their own "blog repalcement" [03:01] XRevan86 an official channel would I mean [03:01] kingoffrance curated [03:01] Ariadne XRevan86 not necessarily [03:01] kingoffrance they dont want blogs out of their hands, they want their curated form [03:02] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:02] Ariadne official channels may be more conservative in the help they provide out of fear that a newbie may break their system [03:02] Dad/fn depends on if the project has a code of conduct to use as a control mechanism [03:02] XRevan86 Ariadne: Maybe, but the context is this partition where developers left freenode. [03:02] Ariadne unofficial channels on the other hand may suggest riskier but usable fixes [03:02] XRevan86 Ariadne: Ah, I understand what ye mean. [03:02] Dad/fn they might also not be drinking the koolaid of fixated project leaders [03:03] schestowitz-TR BTW, our logger covers all 3 networks [03:03] schestowitz-TR all goes into the same file on disk [03:03] XRevan86 Ariadne: I got reprimanded in #lineageos for giving help to those who asked about microG, I just left. [03:03] XRevan86 schestowitz: Three? What? [03:03] Ariadne precisely [03:04] schestowitz-TR I still need to decide what to do regarding techpol seeing that it is active, we might combine that with an existing file [03:04] Dad/fn how apt for my position on all of this that someone felt you should be "reprimanded" for the manner in which you volunteer your assistance [03:04] Dad/fn i hope you told them to go to hell [03:05] schestowitz-TR they might, eventually [03:05] schestowitz-TR like cyanogenmode [03:05] schestowitz-TR mod [03:05] schestowitz-TR pmos is more interesting [03:05] Ariadne hell yeah alpine on phones [03:06] schestowitz-TR but when you start from the assumption we need "another" Android I think you go about with false premise [03:06] Ariadne nah we need real linux on phones [03:06] schestowitz-TR "real" as in gnu [03:06] Dad/fn we do [03:06] Dad/fn desperately [03:06] Dad/fn android is poison [03:06] Ariadne real as in whatever userspace you want [03:06] schestowitz-TR more people now know Linux is not enough [03:06] schestowitz-TR Linux in TomTom is not freedom [03:06] Ariadne personally i think gnu code quality is not good [03:07] Dad/fn yeah well we've seen your code [03:07] schestowitz-TR the point is, kernel level freedom is not enough [03:07] Dad/fn and we've seen the gnu code [03:07] Ariadne my code is fine :) [03:07] Dad/fn i'll take the gnu code [03:07] schestowitz-TR we need to expand further up the stack [03:07] schestowitz-TR Linux "won" [03:07] Dad/fn it doesn't win if it becomes virtually acquired [03:07] XRevan86 Ariadne, Dad: Their channel is very big, if they feel like they don't want to see anything microG-related, it's their opinion about how to maintain order. [03:07] schestowitz-TR Valve might take KDE to 10-50 million people's machines [03:08] Dad/fn an army of big 5 developers driving it off a cliff [03:08] Dad/fn make it dependent [03:08] Dad/fn put some money in it [03:08] Ariadne if youre looking at my ircd code yes that sucks but it sucked prior to my arrival [03:08] Dad/fn celebrate that with some fuzzy pr [03:08] Ariadne and well atheme i wrote as a teenager [03:09] XRevan86 And I use the fruits of their labour (with microG), they know how not to make a mess at least. [03:09] Dad/fn and then one day [03:09] techrights-news "Siteage, LLC announces release sponsorship of Navy Linux, #NavyLinux is currently the only option for in-place upgrades for #CentOS " https://www.einnews.com/pr_news/546758992/siteage-llc-announces-release-sponsorship-of-navy-linux [03:09] Dad/fn "hey we want you to implement the archit. for these proprietary features we sell that expand it" [03:09] Dad/fn and then we're nerfing the open source parts [03:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.einnews.com | Siteage, LLC announces release sponsorship of Navy Linux - EIN Presswire [03:10] XRevan86 CyanogenOS is not coming back [03:10] schestowitz-TR maybe for the better [03:10] XRevan86 Dad: So I should find new software because they said I shouldn't give microG advice in their IRC? [03:10] Dad/fn its more subtle than what im describing though [03:11] schestowitz-TR it was working as a bit of a Microsoft proxy at a later stage [03:11] Dad/fn its more like "this version sucks, use the paid version" [03:11] schestowitz-TR (of course that killed it) [03:11] schestowitz-TR nobody survives Microsoft partnerships [03:11] XRevan86 schestowitz: It was a giant failure that even destroyed CyanogenMod with it (but only the name). [03:12] Dad/fn Xrevan86 no im saying you should tell them to go to hell, do it anyway, and then champion the removal of assholes who try to bully their communities [03:12] Ariadne open core is indeed a problem [03:12] Dad/fn and then when they're all gone, remove me too [03:13] techrights-news "it makes me absolutely sick seeing the paint peeling and the stucco falling off ... but they're an apt metaphor for the current state of the #IBM Corporation." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bVGzuqb [03:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | IBM Campuses, Revived - post regarding IBM layoffs [03:13] *XRevan86 needs translation for this proverb: " ". [03:14] kingoffrance "They don't go to someone else's monastery with their own charter." [03:14] kingoffrance sounds like whoever has the gold makes the rules : ) [03:14] XRevan86 > When in Rome, do as the Romans do. [03:14] kingoffrance obey the master of whoever's house, land you sit on. yeah, that too [03:14] XRevan86 Found this one. [03:14] Dad/fn yall's description of the state of ibm is completely different than my experience with them [03:14] techrights-news "Those who celebrate this miserable rise in the stocks are the losers who will be stuck jobless when the company goes belly up." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bUEafu3#replies [03:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | why are you guys so negative, just say hurray! - post regarding IBM layoffs [03:15] Ariadne IBM is very IBM [03:15] techrights-news #microsoft = financial engineering, not computer engineering http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_-_Financials [03:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft - Financials - Techrights [03:15] Ariadne they largely abandoned alpine and debian ppc64le ports after the redhat acquisition [03:16] Dad/fn well yeah market analysis, i already covered why with you via pm [03:16] XRevan86 I'm not going to just march in and try to wreck the place because their policy restricts a complicated topic. [03:16] Dad/fn divestiture should have been expected there [03:16] Ariadne it was [03:17] Ariadne then when alpine disqualified ppc64le moving forward they were like [03:17] Ariadne oh no we are still committed [03:17] Ariadne here is free softlayer ppc64le cloud account [03:17] Ariadne loooooooooool [03:18] Dad/fn lol @ softlayer [03:18] kingoffrance XRevan86, another related is "a man's home is his castle" :) [03:18] Dad/fn that shit is where dreams go to die man [03:18] Ariadne i used to have a softlayer dedicated server back in the day [03:18] Ariadne it was ok [03:19] XRevan86 kingoffrance: I thought that's more about invading one's place rather than trying to push own rules to a new environment. [03:19] Dad/fn better off just hosting your own from a business internet account in a closet at the house [03:20] Ariadne servers do [03:21] Ariadne make a nice white noise generator [03:21] Dad/fn at least its not oracle cloud though [03:21] Dad/fn only an idiot would use oracle cloud [03:21] Dad/fn would not recommend [03:21] Ariadne ARM vps offerings are still emergent [03:22] Dad/fn lol @ emergent [03:22] Ariadne its basically them or AWS or renting a raspberry pi with SAN storage [03:22] Dad/fn aaws is still top of the line for iaas [03:22] XRevan86 And, either way, #microg is a better place for discussing such stuff. If one has a question about microG on LineageOS, just go there. [03:22] Ariadne there used to be scaleway but they dropped ARM [03:22] Ariadne AWS is also quite pricey [03:23] techrights-news Old: "The internet is a phenomenal communications tool that very few people had even heard of not so long ago. The world wide web only came into being slightly more than fifteen years ago." https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20081230/2351323263.shtml [03:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-On Staying Happy | Techdirt [03:23] Dad/fn compared to SL??? [03:23] Dad/fn hahaha [03:23] Ariadne the oracle ARM vps start at $7 per month [03:23] Dad/fn or Azure? [03:23] techrights-news #7Zip 21.03 Beta https://www.neowin.net/news/7-zip-2103-beta/ [03:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.neowin.net | 7-Zip 21.03 Beta - Neowin [03:23] XRevan86 It's really not that complicated though: Magisk (Riru, LSPosed, microG), LSPosed (FakeGapps) and it's done. [03:24] Ariadne SL is quite pricy, as one would expect of an IBM owned company [03:24] XRevan86 Magisk has made it a lot simpler to get microG working under anything. [03:24] techrights-news Open-source dev and critic of Beijing claims Audacity owner Muse threatened him with deportation to China in row over copyright http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153629 [03:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open-source dev and critic of Beijing claims Audacity owner Muse threatened him with deportation to China in row over copyright | Tux Machines [03:25] techrights-news Muse is starting to come across as another Andrew Lee and #audacity another #freenode [03:26] XRevan86 Oh, and one should enable FakeGapps for the system framework in LSPosed. It's too old to support scopes. [03:26] XRevan86 so it won't be done automatically [03:28] techrights-news Wow, #serverwatch is still around? https://www.serverwatch.com/servers/server-security-tools/ [03:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Best Server Security Tools & Software for 2021 | ServerWatch [03:28] Dad/fn there should be more coverage of the folks who are stalking that guy who forked audacity [03:29] kingoffrance XRevan86, well it was about the owner of the house makes the rules within his borders. thus, police need a warrant [03:29] kingoffrance they dont get "automatic access" [03:29] techrights-news "Despite advances in tools, platforms, and languages, software programming challenges dog developers." https://www.itprotoday.com/development-techniques-and-management/4-software-programming-challenges-today-s-developers [03:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itprotoday.com | 4 Software Programming Challenges for Todays Developers | IT Pro [03:29] kingoffrance truth of course is surely a mixture [03:29] kingoffrance both then and now [03:30] kingoffrance for the example, the channel is under the irc network is under ... [03:30] kingoffrance they dont quite have "full autonomy" either, still have to obey network rules, etc. [03:31] techrights-news "It allows users to run high speed and complex applications with its quad-core processor as well as applications through Docker Containers with its Linux-based real time operating system." https://www.aerospacemanufacturinganddesign.com/product/wago-edge-controller-computer/ [03:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.aerospacemanufacturinganddesign.com | Edge controller, edge computer - Aerospace Manufacturing and Design [03:31] kingoffrance basically, if you had full title you wouldnt have to pay taxes. so doubtful many people had that, if any [03:32] kingoffrance thats why i say was always likely a "mixture" [03:32] techrights-news ...From #security through obscurity to security through #buzzwords https://containerjournal.com/editorial-calendar/cloud-native-security/the-what-and-why-of-cloud-native-security/ [03:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-containerjournal.com | The What and Why of Cloud-Native Security - Container Journal [03:34] XRevan86 kingoffrance: Feels more about law and rights and less about respect. [03:34] kingoffrance yes, but im not sure theres a huge difference [03:35] kingoffrance it should be common sense i think yes [03:35] XRevan86 kingoffrance: A channel is not exactly a house with a proprietor. [03:35] XRevan86 It's a community with leaders and customs. [03:35] kingoffrance eh, it has ops/owners [03:35] kingoffrance not all chatters are created equal [03:35] kingoffrance not all can set the topic [03:36] XRevan86 kingoffrance: It's not as individual [03:36] kingoffrance yes, agree [03:38] techrights-news Something Sinister Below Deck | LINUX Unplugged 415 https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/145637/something-sinister-below-deck-linux-unplugged-415/ #gnu #linux [03:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jupiterbroadcasting.com | Something Sinister Below Deck | LINUX Unplugged 415 | Jupiter Broadcasting [03:41] schestowitz XRevan86: there are hostile elements [03:41] schestowitz those cannot be given the same privs as the rest [03:41] XRevan86 schestowitz: Ye mean troublemakers like Dad? :D [03:42] schestowitz I meant in the abstract [03:42] schestowitz there have always been forces trying to silence us [03:42] schestowitz (or to discredit) [03:43] schestowitz we're stilm here, or we clearly overcame it all [03:43] Dad/fn same so far [03:43] schestowitz-TR bill gates bribing my boss was a 'dick move' [03:44] schestowitz-TR and I can use that phrase colourfully now [03:44] schestowitz-TR as we know he had his dicks in many places [03:44] schestowitz-TR (other than his wife's) [03:44] schestowitz-TR with NDAs [03:44] XRevan86 > no im saying you should tell them to go to hell, do it anyway, and then champion the removal of assholes who try to bully their communities [03:44] schestowitz-TR my boss had to sign an NDA [03:44] schestowitz-TR before he even told me about it [03:44] XRevan86 I'm basing that on the assumption that this is what Dad would've done. [03:44] schestowitz-TR Mr. failed lawyers [03:45] Dad/fn XRevan86 i didn't say we had the same approach in dealing with it :) [03:45] schestowitz-TR getting everyone to sign NDAs [03:45] schestowitz-TR that's also how Microsot did its 'busines' [03:45] schestowitz-TR maybe that's the brain of bill's dad atrk [03:45] schestowitz-TR his dad is dead... as of a year ago [03:46] Dad/fn if someone presents a credible threat to you, rip off their limbs and beat them to death it. or make peace, whichever is less energy. [03:47] Dad/fn never move based on fear in an adversarial situation. ever. ever ever ever. [03:47] XRevan86 Dad: Is that what happened to ##slackware ? [03:47] Dad/fn no that was doing a community a favor to make sure it doesn't happen to other folks. [03:47] Dad/fn at least here anyway [03:48] XRevan86 Well, now it's on Libera, so I guess that worked out. [03:49] Dad/fn in a sense sure, but look what happened. it concentrated those assholes all into one new place with a substory of it being due to their bad culture. there's a stage set for the next "bagira". [03:50] schestowitz-TR XRevan86: there will be LC scandals to come [03:50] schestowitz-TR for sure [03:50] Dad/fn and alot of those project leaders are in a convenient place for another big shift to occur that won't be anywhere near as pleasant if it comes [03:50] schestowitz-TR the question is, of what nature... [03:50] XRevan86 Dad: Are ye from the US? [03:50] AdmFubar https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/07/20/0712249&from=rss [03:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | Apple Employees Threaten to Quit as Company Takes Hard Line Stance on Remote Work - SoylentNews [03:51] Dad/fn this has resulted in the resignation of members of the board of the OSI, top leaders at the Gnome Foundation, several members of the management at the FSF, and it brought a huge culture problem to the forefront of the social consciousness [03:51] Dad/fn im not in any way regretting how much we've accompolished with this [03:52] Dad/fn if freenode dies tomorrow i still made some critical strategic objectives [03:53] AdmFubar https://yro.slashdot.org/story/21/07/19/228225/edward-snowden-calls-for-spyware-trade-ban-amid-pegasus-revelations?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed [03:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yro.slashdot.org | Edward Snowden Calls For Spyware Trade Ban Amid Pegasus Revelations - Slashdot [03:53] Dad/fn they'll sweep my story under the rug, or make a new one that makes me a monster, but there will be a path to the state i want to see [03:53] XRevan86 Dad: Internet has self-healing properties, it's just going to continue routing around your strategic objectives. [03:54] Dad/fn nah that's so abstract it doesn't mean anything [03:54] XRevan86 schestowitz: That's a lot harder to predict because I don't see any preconditions for that. [03:54] Dad/fn this is a counter culture-shaping effort [03:54] Dad/fn im making a big, big omelette [03:54] Dad/fn and its an omelette that deserves to get made [03:54] XRevan86 Dad: I'm not really in a culture-shaping business. [03:55] Dad/fn i only use the bad eggs [03:55] Dad/fn except ariadne, she's not even useful as cannon fodder [03:56] XRevan86 I used to think of myself as a too respectful person before the freenode kerfuffle. [03:57] Dad/fn a pearl amongst swine on IRC [03:58] XRevan86 What an omelette some people have in their heads, and the arrogance to shove it into everyone's faces. [03:58] Dad/fn arrogance has utility in some scenarios [03:58] Ariadne does it [03:58] Dad/fn yes absolutely [03:59] Ariadne such as? [03:59] techrights-news For #IBM to take 'growth' it needed to compare performance to a disastrous pandemic years and not count expenses like takeovers https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/20/ibm_q2_results/ [03:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | IBM's 3% sales growth may not seem like much but it's the biggest it's had in three years The Register ● Jul 21 [04:00] Ariadne i need to hit the road soon [04:00] Ariadne i have to go visit my grandmother tomorrow who is going into memory care [04:00] XRevan86 Ariadne: What's memory care? [04:00] Ariadne gotta say the sxmo emoji compose stuff is great [04:01] Ariadne memory care is basically alzheimers lockdown shit [04:01] AdmFubar don't know what to do with those tossed salads and scrambled eggs [04:01] XRevan86 AdmFubar: Give them to Dad [04:01] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [04:01] techrights-ipfs-bot Gemini requests since start of month: 93415 total Total pages: 36832 Active: active (running) since Tue 2021-06-08 16:18:39 BST; 1 months 12 days ago [04:01] techrights-news Alphabet agency #Gulag hiring all the "fine people" https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/20/amr_awadallah_jewish_people_google/ [04:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | I no longer have a burning hatred for Jewish people, says Googler now suddenly no longer at Google The Register [04:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS local node stats (past 23 hours) calculated. TotalIn: 1.9 GB TotalOut: 451 MB [04:01] techrights-ipfs-bot New daily bulletin just generated. It is about to be added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with CID [04:02] Ariadne that meeting was rather wild [04:02] Ariadne from what i have been told [04:02] AdmFubar sounds like someone needs a jop and has to publicly clean up his act [04:03] techrights-news #Patent systems as a total waste of human capacity http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/07/21/further-updates-on-patent-linkage-and-patent-term-extension-in-china/ anything to protect the powerful... [04:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Further Updates on Patent Linkage and Patent Term Extension in China - Kluwer Patent Blog [04:03] XRevan86 Dad needs to stop doing "activism" that the community is openly disliking. [04:03] Dad/fn yeah as soon as you associate your personal life with your job like its some status symbol you stop being a private person and start being an owned extension of that company [04:04] XRevan86 What's the opposite of social activism? [04:04] Dad/fn XRevan86 then alot of people need to resign or dramatically change how things work around them. [04:04] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 21.20 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 7.95 swarm size (avg): 285.64 [04:04] techrights-news #covid19 had a great "freedom day" yesterday. 100 dead in the #uk ... and it's free to spread without hindrances. [04:04] techrights-ipfs-bot QmPbs4kN1GHeAEUEUWtCVVhT8zRVM7LcHdvAnAsqczstvA [04:05] XRevan86 Ariadne: How badly is she having it? [04:05] Ariadne ummm [04:05] Dad/fn alzheimers is brutal watch a loved one go through [04:05] Dad/fn *to watch [04:05] techrights-news #Techrights Bulletin for Tuesday, July 20, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [04:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives [04:06] XRevan86 I'm glad I haven't. [04:06] AdmFubar https://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/21/07/19/1837215/nvidia-shield-tv-owners-are-pissed-about-the-banner-ads-in-android-tv?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed [04:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-entertainment.slashdot.org | Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads in Android TV - Slashdot [04:06] techrights-news #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [04:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index [04:06] Ariadne yesterday she started freaking out hard core about her mother dying (dead since 1987). my cousin gave her a xanax and a pot gummie and it didnt phase her at all [04:06] Ariadne so i would say it is taking a turn for the worse [04:07] Dad/fn are you guys all in counseling too, it affects the fam just as much as it does the patient [04:08] Ariadne i mean i used to be a social worker so this isnt really phasing me too bad but my mom is seeing a shrink [04:10] schestowitz-TR last night I dreamed a friend of ours died [04:10] schestowitz-TR and his wife was devastated, that's when I woke up [04:11] schestowitz-TR seems everyone has the occasional dreams where parents die too [04:12] XRevan86 I don't, but I did see dreams about myself dying [04:12] XRevan86 A bit of a weird concept as one cannot possibly have a perspective on that. [04:13] AdmFubar that is a nightmare not a dream! [04:13] AdmFubar https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/07/20/0658254&from=rss [04:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | Semiconductor Crystals Tweaked to Realize Superior Properties for Electronics - SoylentNews [04:13] schestowitz-TR maybe the 'out of body experience' thing [04:13] schestowitz-TR turns out many mistake sleep paralysis experiences for something else [04:13] XRevan86 No, it's just depression and stuff. [04:13] schestowitz-TR like near death experience, meeting god, alien abduction [04:13] kingoffrance lol [04:13] AdmFubar stop that late night snacking! [04:13] kingoffrance some channels me and others always laugh because they try to purposely have such an experience, and cant do it lol [04:14] schestowitz-TR it's hard to make it happen [04:14] schestowitz-TR I used to know how ti trick myself into it [04:14] XRevan86 schestowitz: The dreams focused on what my loved ones would feel. [04:15] schestowitz-TR actually, even if you know you are having sleep paralysis, it's still not pleasant, esp. if you don't know how to snap out of it [04:15] kingoffrance yeah, i just mean, lack of sleep will make you hallucinate [04:15] schestowitz-TR knowing how to snap out fo a bad dream when you know it's just a dream is a valuable skill [04:15] AdmFubar https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/07/19/235217&from=rss [04:15] kingoffrance i dont recommend it, just saying :) [04:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | Drought Threatens to Close California Hydropower Plant for First Time - SoylentNews [04:15] XRevan86 Haven't had sleep paralysis, but it's not that hard to imagine. [04:16] schestowitz-TR it's always not pleasant [04:16] schestowitz-TR one option is to go back to sleep [04:16] Ariadne never had a sleep paralysis event [04:16] schestowitz-TR sleeping while sitting helps that happen [04:16] Ariadne does not seem fun [04:17] schestowitz-TR it helps when you know a feeling of nearby presence is "normal" [04:17] Ariadne i dont sleep while sitting. at most i meditate [04:17] AdmFubar you've had it... just you weren't aware of it.. [04:17] XRevan86 I'm not falling asleep easily, could be why. [04:17] schestowitz-TR I brought this up in USENET ages ago [04:18] schestowitz-TR XRevan86: I now know how to sleep fast, which comes in handy if I want to split sleep into many parts [04:18] kingoffrance i got 99 problems but sleep paralysis aint one [04:18] Ariadne but my bed is kind of a sacred space, so im usually in a happy mood when im sleeping [04:19] AdmFubar https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/07/17/2257243&from=rss [04:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | NTSC Finally Goes Dark in America - SoylentNews [04:19] schestowitz-TR maybe usenet and irc are next [04:20] schestowitz-TR next frontier: google cctv glasses and ar [04:20] schestowitz-TR "to improve user experience' [04:21] XRevan86 schestowitz: If IRC can survive Andrew Lee, it has a lot of strength built-in. [04:21] Dad/fn maybe [04:21] schestowitz-TR mass media and tv as social control tool has outlived its reach [04:21] Dad/fn google glass had the potential to change the evolution of our species [04:21] schestowitz-TR not they herd "the masses" in social control media [04:21] Dad/fn they went about it all wrong though [04:22] Dad/fn should've created secondary markets by opening up the firmware and just been a provider from a hardware perspective [04:22] Dad/fn and then taken a hard loss on gen 1 [04:22] schestowitz https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/06/everything-we-know-about-facebooks-secret-mood-manipulation-experiment/373648/ [04:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theatlantic.com | Everything We Know About Facebook's Secret Mood Manipulation Experiment - The Atlantic [04:22] schestowitz https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-28051930 https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jun/29/facebook-users-emotions-news-feeds [04:22] AdmFubar the hardware was nowhere near ready at the time.. got to try... wasn't impressed [04:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Facebook emotion experiment sparks criticism - BBC News [04:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Facebook reveals news feed experiment to control emotions | Facebook | The Guardian [04:22] AdmFubar https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/07/19/1827252&from=rss [04:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | Ukraine Warehouse Packed with Thousands of PS4s was Actually a FIFA Ultimate Team Bot Farm - SoylentNews [04:22] Dad/fn they needed to flood the market with the parts [04:23] Dad/fn for the builder scene [04:23] Dad/fn and didn't [04:23] XRevan86 Ariadne: I don't feel the same way about my bed. [04:23] Dad/fn because it's google and they're just building things without thinking [04:23] Ariadne if you have a bed that is comfy and calming, you probably won't have nightmares and stuff [04:23] Ariadne my stuffed animal friends annihilate the gloomies :p [04:23] Dad/fn even my nightmares aren't scary [04:24] Dad/fn they're rare but it does happen [04:24] XRevan86 I got a new mattress, and I'm still not happy. [04:24] Dad/fn they're not really like nightmares though they're like [04:24] schestowitz-TR if I have a bad dream, the wife will wake me up and vice versa [04:24] Dad/fn like if someone was playing with the physics engine [04:25] schestowitz-TR I seem to have solved the issue of TM load with some tweaks. yay! [04:25] *sepsinn has quit (Quit: WeeChat 3.2) [04:26] schestowitz-TR no apache restarted since I made those change [04:26] AdmFubar off to chill and have tv watch me with my eyes closed. later all [04:26] schestowitz-TR *changes [04:26] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has left #techrights [04:26] schestowitz-TR AdmFubar: may you enjoy your next sleep paralysis experience;-) [04:26] schestowitz-TR oh, too late [04:27] Ariadne XRevan86: for me, its having familiar things in bed. mattress is whatever [04:27] Ariadne blankets, stuffed animals, etc [04:27] schestowitz-TR btw, you need a lot of force to snap out of such paralysis, like creating an adrenalin rush to supresede it [04:28] Dad/fn lol @ stuffed animals [04:28] Ariadne i can sleep anywhere if i use my own blankets [04:28] Ariadne lol @ phanes [04:28] schestowitz-TR during this heat wave blankets only ruin the sleep [04:28] Dad/fn ive always been a minimalist with that stuff [04:28] XRevan86 Ariadne: I can lie sleepless while having a living animal sleeping next to me. [04:29] XRevan86 (I mean a cat) [04:29] schestowitz-TR small one? [04:29] XRevan86 yes, 3kg [04:29] schestowitz-TR so technically a "pussy" (kitten) [04:29] Dad/fn my pup sits at the end of the bed [04:30] XRevan86 Not by age, so not a kitten, but a pussy, yes. [04:30] Dad/fn occassional wakeup scene with him barking a skunk away from the window [04:30] schestowitz https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-28051930 [04:30] schestowitz "Facebook is facing criticism after it emerged it had conducted a psychology experiment on nearly 700,000 users without their knowledge." [04:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Facebook emotion experiment sparks criticism - BBC News [04:30] schestowitz whose experiment, cui bono? [04:31] Dad/fn from his perspective he's doing his job and earning his rent so he just gets a pat on the head and a shush [04:31] schestowitz "Facebook secretly experiments on users to try make them sad. What could go wrong?" [04:31] XRevan86 For me the heat wave is over. [04:31] Dad/fn yes this sounds like an organization who should be coordinating an army of culture shapers to keep the open source world moving [04:32] XRevan86 But apparently it will make a comeback. [04:32] schestowitz shithub [04:32] Dad/fn idgaf who approves [04:32] schestowitz in linkedin microsoft can also decided who gets no job interviews, to some degree [04:32] Dad/fn ive been posting about that for 2 years on my blog [04:33] Dad/fn they own github where the most of the open source code is [04:33] Dad/fn they own linkedin where those same people find jobs [04:33] schestowitz centralised media doesn't like talking about centralised stuff as a threat to society [04:33] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [04:34] Dad/fn not many people could get away with it [04:34] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@fkxc2u758vqbw.irc) has joined #techrights [04:35] Ariadne linkedin sucks [04:35] Ariadne polywork is the new hotness [04:36] schestowitz-TR I have another approach: [04:36] schestowitz-TR employers that rely on Microsoft to find recruits... [04:36] schestowitz-TR not interested in them [04:36] Ariadne hiring people don't care about resumes anymore [04:36] schestowitz-TR same for Twitter, shuthub etc. [04:36] Ariadne they care about what people are doing now [04:36] schestowitz-TR they already broadcast bad tendencies [04:36] Ariadne so, what i do is [04:36] Ariadne i blog about stuff [04:36] schestowitz-TR a charity in kenya sending me docx files said enough... [04:36] Ariadne and then i have wordpress syndicate links to my blog [04:36] Ariadne to twitter etc [04:37] schestowitz-TR right [04:37] Dad/fn yeah they do [04:37] schestowitz-TR so the real stuff is not in twitter [04:37] Dad/fn resumes are still one of the most important parts of the process besides network reputation [04:37] Ariadne i should clarify: hiring people at companies i want to work for [04:37] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [04:37] Ariadne dont care so much about resumes [04:38] schestowitz-TR resumes are so 90s [04:38] schestowitz-TR we had landlines and points of contact for references [04:38] schestowitz-TR no code to see over electronic means [04:39] Ariadne github sucks [04:39] schestowitz-TR it'll be another skype [04:39] schestowitz-TR skype is dying badly [04:39] schestowitz-TR microsoft uses it to rebrand [04:39] schestowitz-TR for illusion of "teams" growth [04:39] schestowitz-TR give shithub another 5 years and see it as one of "many" that really count [04:40] schestowitz-TR slow-motion codeplex-isation [04:40] schestowitz-TR it'll be dominant like "edge" and "bing" [04:40] Ariadne i don't like this whole GPT3 coding thing [04:40] Ariadne i think it is going to create a legal compliance nightmare [04:41] Ariadne they did not teach their AI thing about licenses [04:41] Dad/fn anotehr gimmick [04:41] schestowitz-TR even before microsoft shithub didn't care about licensing [04:41] Dad/fn openai shit is just that [04:41] schestowitz-TR now they use "hey hiu" as a legal dodge [04:41] Dad/fn its all sunken cost fallacy after marketers realized they can sell AI but it isn't AI [04:41] Ariadne people have demonstrated it reproducing code from GPL quake3 engine and then saying it was something else [04:42] schestowitz-TR "it's a computer that violated the GPL... SUE THE COMPUTER" [04:42] Ariadne so it seems like a serious footgun [04:42] schestowitz-TR dad: same with "cloud" [04:42] Dad/fn these big corps are vulturing around looking for any viable means to start rampantly violating the gpl [04:42] Ariadne basically [04:42] Dad/fn you've got an entire software industry crumbling that desperately needs that to survive [04:42] Ariadne so they'll launder it throuigh this AI thing [04:43] Dad/fn and the gpl doesn't ever get enforced [04:43] Dad/fn bluemix, yay [04:43] schestowitz-TR it just did get enforced [04:43] Dad/fn that was a big assed flop [04:43] kingoffrance well i said in another channel, what is more needed, something to write new code, or something to refactor? normally its a "code smell" "antipattern" if you have a bunch of code, spread across multiple files/projects, almost the same but not quite. you are in a repo of twisty little codeblocks, each slightly different. you are likely to be eaten by a copilot [04:43] Ariadne hellwig vs vmware makes enforcement kinda sketchy for large projects [04:43] schestowitz-TR [01:27] #GPL Enforcement and Violations: #Stockfish and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153608 #GNU #FreeSW #TuxMachines [04:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GPL Enforcement and Violations: Stockfish and More | Tux Machines [04:43] Ariadne hellwig vs vmware was dismissed because they concluded that hellwig did not have enough copyright interest in linux to enforce [04:44] schestowitz-TR vmware insider admitted the violation [04:44] Dad/fn we should have ariadne push new code to copilot's sources on the weekends [04:44] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/04/28/openwashing-vmware-after-gpl-abuses/ [04:44] Dad/fn it'll fuck that AI up so hard it won't get shit done [04:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Foundation Has Helped VMware Lie About Its Deliberate GPL Violations That are Connected to Microsoft, Another Prolific GPL Violator | Techrights [04:45] Dad/fn sure msft wouldn't notice right away [04:45] Ariadne phanes i mean, if you want me to write bad code, i can intentionally write bad code and push it to github :p [04:45] Dad/fn but a few months down the line someone's using it and waht comes out looks like a star trek teleporter malfunction [04:45] Dad/fn screaming to be purged [04:45] Ariadne i have made submissions to IOCCC before [04:46] Dad/fn just take a few big hits of ALD-52 and set up a hotkey to commit and push [04:47] Ariadne i mean, my doing LSD in the desert days are kinda behind me tbh [04:48] Dad/fn nah [04:48] Dad/fn im pretty sure you're still draggin them behind you with a rope everywhere [04:48] Ariadne not really [04:48] Dad/fn draggin' somethin [04:48] Ariadne last time i tripped on acid it was not a particularly great time [04:50] Dad/fn nobody goes "sorry for lying about you it was just business" who isn't dragging something heavy that they can't handle on their own [04:50] Ariadne i don't think i've lied about you, i've disclosed logs that were sent to me, and that was indeed, just business [04:50] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2011/10/23/steve-jobs-exposed/ [04:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Steve Jobs and His War on Linux, LSD Addiction, and Theft of Credit for UNIX, Java, Xerox Inventions | Techrights [04:52] Ariadne i also removed those logs on your request [04:53] techrights-news Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153630 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [04:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [04:55] Ariadne however, after andrew decided that freenode should commit seppaku, my interest in discussing freenode (to discourage use of andrew's bouncy castle) waned [04:56] Ariadne but, yes, attempt to gaslight me all you want :) [04:56] Dad/fn my impression was that it was turning out to be less supply than you can get elsewhere [04:56] Dad/fn the whole freenode thing i mean [04:57] Ariadne i was just covering the swamp, specifically andrew's reconfiguration of it [04:57] Ariadne after he, in his words, "obliterated the swamp" there was no reason to cover it anymore [04:58] Ariadne i have in fact, criticized previous freenode personnel in the same way. ask christel :) [04:59] Ariadne christel tried to involve herself in the administration of one of my projects simply because we used freenode [04:59] Dad/fn oh i dont doubt that it's been convenient for you at times [04:59] techrights-news #Server: Clown, Security, and Navy Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153631 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [04:59] Ariadne and she did not like that i accepted patches from somebody she did not like (jzk) ● Jul 21 [05:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Server: Clown, Security, and Navy Linux | Tux Machines [05:00] Ariadne the reason i give libera the benefit of the doubt is because christel is explicitly not involved [05:00] Ariadne if christel were involved, i would not have anything nice to say about libera either :) [05:00] Dad/fn they're the same people that created the atmosphere that facilitated that entire fiasco [05:01] Ariadne to some extent, but christel is really the person responsible, she told her team one thing, and she told andrew another thing [05:01] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [05:01] Dad/fn her team needs to be working at aldi [05:01] Ariadne given that, it is not surprising that the libera team moved to protect their own interests [05:01] *libertybox has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:02] *Techrights-sec has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:02] *schestowitz-TR has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:02] Dad/fn the ends don't justify the means [05:02] Dad/fn the way in which people do things is as important as what they do [05:03] Dad/fn and in some cases more important than why they do them [05:03] Ariadne well, i agree, which is why i covered the way which freenode's new staff did things [05:03] Ariadne :) [05:03] XRevan86 Dad: Are ye talking about the Liberia spam again? [05:03] Dad/fn its not just the spam [05:03] Ariadne well, really, all of this is grumble's doing [05:03] Dad/fn these people deliberately fostered a breeding ground for those kinds of toxic behaviours for more than a decade [05:04] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 22.16 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 13.21 swarm size (avg): 285.65 [05:04] Ariadne hes the one who set things in motion with that mass kill he did [05:04] Ariadne i was planning on just setting up ircds for my projects [05:04] Dad/fn they turn a blind eye selectively to that shit for plausible deniability but that doesn't mean its ethical [05:04] Ariadne alpine was already working on setting up its own irc servers [05:04] Dad/fn they also did deliberately set out to burn the walls down on the way out [05:04] Dad/fn fuchs' threats to andrew were telling [05:04] Ariadne oh, i agree with you there 100% [05:05] XRevan86 Ariadne: Ye do? [05:05] Dad/fn but its not just these events [05:05] Ariadne yes, i think the network was handed over in a barely operational state [05:05] Dad/fn its the atmosphere they've bred, the toxic miasma that forms around them and permeates these projects [05:05] Ariadne i saw it for myself [05:05] Dad/fn toxic people seek toxic people for safety in numbers [05:05] Dad/fn and then they establish authority [05:05] XRevan86 Ariadne: Was it something they did? [05:06] Dad/fn and then they misuse that authority [05:06] Ariadne XRevan86: they deleted the ansible playbooks or whatever [05:06] Ariadne so literally [05:06] Dad/fn and the ticket system [05:06] Ariadne the way andrew's team was running the network [05:06] Ariadne for like [05:06] Ariadne the first week [05:06] Ariadne they were literally just sshing into things [05:06] Ariadne and doing it by hand [05:07] Dad/fn but like i said this isn't just about what they did on the way out, or their campaign after the fact to try to reclaim what they appropriately lost [05:07] Ariadne anyway, i had issues with christel's freenode too [05:07] Dad/fn after a while the potential of what you could be gets eaten by what you've been [05:07] Ariadne i'm willing to, to an extent, give libera some benefit of the doubt [05:07] Ariadne but, alpine chose OFTC for a reason [05:07] XRevan86 Ariadne: I see, haven't heard about that before. [05:07] Dad/fn what [05:07] Dad/fn OFTC are the SAME PEOPLE [05:08] Dad/fn as long as tom wesley and his stooges are strangling it OFTC will be just as broken as libera [05:08] *schestowitz-TR (~acer-box@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [05:09] Dad/fn when you have corrupt network authority you get corrupt project leadership because they lean on each other to obfuscate and enable their behaviours [05:09] *libertybox (~schestowitz_log@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [05:09] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [05:10] Ariadne to an extent, but to an extent also not [05:10] Ariadne ultimately OFTC answers to the debian folks [05:10] Dad/fn what not extent, he's been using oftc as a springboard into freenode to try to establish a mini-coup and still has that influence with that same group because libera is old freenode's crew [05:10] Ariadne no [05:11] Ariadne tomaw has been freenode staff since 2005 [05:11] Dad/fn yes, and that's why he's been completely invisible through all of this because he knows libera and oftc have the open source projects so he can keep moving forward with it when the dust settles [05:11] Ariadne his involvement in OFTC is much newer [05:12] Dad/fn im not talking about the timeline im talking about the establishment of OFTC furthering his interests at freenode [05:12] Ariadne his interests to do what, precisely? [05:12] Dad/fn its a coup [05:12] Ariadne solanum is the continuation of charybdis, it has my blessing [05:12] Ariadne charybdis was ultimately destroyed because of christel mucking around and intimidating the project [05:13] Dad/fn some people just want to control stuff, and this is what he thinks will give him the most supply [05:13] Ariadne everyone left because they did not wish to be k-lined by christel [05:14] Dad/fn you know when i hear your version of that it sounds so much like the cover story the slackware heads are using [05:18] Ariadne i mean, there does seem to be some similarities, except instead of a fear of being k-lined by christel, they were actually k-lined by you [05:18] Ariadne but i need to take a nap [05:18] Ariadne so, toodles [05:18] Dad/fn yep they were [05:19] Ariadne well, it is unsurprising that people who have been k-lined from freenode would recommend not using it [05:20] Dad/fn yeah i dont care what they recommend [05:20] Ariadne you seem to care, we've been discussing it for the past 2 hours :) [05:20] Ariadne amongst other topics, admittedly [05:20] Dad/fn i did mention it 3 minutes ago once but i appreciate that timelines aren't your forte [05:22] Ariadne i meant freenode at large [05:22] Ariadne anyway, goodnight [05:28] *mib_4zo3lp (~0128d597@kjvq8jm9s83qu.irc) has joined #techrights [05:31] *mib_4zo3lp has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [05:34] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Jul 21 [06:00] *CParadoxum_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [06:01] *inky_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [06:03] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 21.43 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 36.96 swarm size (avg): 285.65 [06:04] *inky_ (~inky@46.36.118.203) has joined #techrights [06:15] *inky_ has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [06:15] *CParadoxum_ (~quassel@m4gsqtdgyy73q.irc) has joined #techrights [06:21] gustaf Dad/fn: gotta agree with you that the main issue with uncontrolled spread of Covid would have been healthcare collapse, not mass death [06:22] gustaf but I do think western govs don't want to imply that healthcare is limited [06:23] gustaf but I also think a situation with overloaded ICUs and triage would have led to a bigger panic and issues than what we have with lockdowns etc [06:24] gustaf vz. Spanish Flu [06:25] *inky_ (~inky@46.36.118.203) has joined #techrights [06:40] kingoffrance evan (dont want to needlessly hilight) i should add, i dont think it is bad irc has some hierarchy. just that, there is implied contract when you connect to a network, you will follow the rules. there is implied you join a channel you will follow the rules of the channel, etc. so i think "freedom" marketing is largely illusion, there's always been implied "delegation" as it were just by connecting (nevermind any other "internet citizenship" [06:40] kingoffrance or local laws/whatever/wherever physical servers are located,etc.) [06:42] kingoffrance so maybe that is, apropos the saying. its an implied contract joining a channel you follow the rules [06:43] kingoffrance its implied by being in the vicinity [06:44] kingoffrance thus, freedom is irrelevant. you get compelled performance/equity, as if there was some contract in play. only q is did you honor contract or not [06:44] *zoobab has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [06:44] kingoffrance anyways :) [06:45] kingoffrance when there's a contract at play "freedom" is irrelevant [06:45] kingoffrance the assumption is you agreed to sign away some "freedom" [06:46] kingoffrance in that sense, i would say "law" analogies are doomed [06:49] kingoffrance generically, castle or community, i think that perhaps is closer [06:49] *zoobab (zoobab@5.226.149.169) has joined #techrights [06:50] *job (~job@ed6ehuuidxpwu.irc) has joined #techrights [06:51] *pandakekok9 (~job@wikimedia-commons/pandakekok9) has joined #techrights [06:52] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [06:52] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [06:54] kingoffrance *or monastery, similar thing going on [06:59] kingoffrance so, not just a saying, applies to many things :) ● Jul 21 [07:03] kingoffrance irony is perhaps, EULAs versus old ftp sites "you agree by connecting you are not FBI" etc. lol [07:03] kingoffrance irony in that, both sides rely on such contracts [07:04] kingoffrance i dont think courts gave them equal powers, but yeah :) [07:04] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 20.31 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 20.28 swarm size (avg): 285.62 [07:09] *koo6 (~koo6@89-24-13-235.customers.tmcz.cz) has joined #techrights [07:11] gustaf I don't view Lee as being particularly intelligent, and smarter people than he have a problem with distinguishing censorship from moderation [07:12] gustaf I have no problem with Freenode chanops or staff banning people [07:12] gustaf I do have a problem with them being hypocritical about it [07:13] kingoffrance yeah i dunno, although i agree with Dad " as soon as you associate your personal life with your job like its some status symbol you stop being a private person and start being an owned extension of that company" except i think businesses crossed that line long ago [07:14] kingoffrance maybe, there is more than just employees and that line [07:14] kingoffrance that pandora's box is wide open i think :) [07:15] gustaf I view my employment purely as transactional [07:15] gustaf maybe he means stuff like associating with open source/idealistic projects? [07:15] gustaf I dunno [07:16] kingoffrance well i just mean businesses doing any "politics". in usa you'll find car dealerships with flags everywhere etc. [07:16] kingoffrance so with lee "freedom" etc. [07:16] kingoffrance that line was crossed long ago IMO [07:16] gustaf that's jsut marketing [07:18] gustaf also ideally nationalism transcends politics [07:18] gustaf implying that if you're not proud to be a citizen you are an enemy is itself a political statement ;) [07:21] kingoffrance i suppose i find it interesting, from what i saw, 20-30 years ago, many things were "we dont do politics, rms/fsf/etc. are politics/extremists" now that seems to have kind of turned "we dont do rms/fsf, they dont match my politics" [07:22] kingoffrance like before, non-ethics was why you cant do free software. now it seems in some sense, free software is not ethical enough [07:23] kingoffrance i dont know if id even say that is a dominant theme, just kind of strange to me to see it 180ed [07:23] kingoffrance even if its just small, particular attacks [07:23] kingoffrance it could jsut be i didnt notice before either [07:24] kingoffrance i mean, tech is neutral used to be a huge thing [07:24] kingoffrance seems that is almost nowhere now [07:24] kingoffrance not even saying that is good or bad [07:24] kingoffrance just marketing has changed [07:25] gustaf an entire generation has grown up [07:26] gustaf with FOSS [07:26] gustaf there are developers active today who don't remember MSFT being as dominant as it was [07:26] gustaf action / reaction [07:26] kingoffrance lol yes the merinvingian :) [07:27] gustaf MSFT got greedy and got struck down by the DOJ, so now the current big incumbents avoid those tripwires [07:27] gustaf also erst kommen den Essen [07:27] gustaf you can't sustain yourself on righteousness forever [07:28] gustaf as FOSS has grown into general acceptance the fighting has turned inwards [07:29] kingoffrance yeah, that makes sense [07:30] gustaf I mean, central stuff like "freedom" haven't been settled ;) [07:30] gustaf GNU fans and BSD fans insist their view is the most "Free" [07:40] *activelow has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [07:50] schestowitz gustaf: I want to interject [07:50] *schestowitz just woke up [07:50] schestowitz-TR the inward thing has truck a never [07:50] schestowitz-TR what's "inwards" is infiltration [07:50] schestowitz-TR like OSI defecting [07:50] schestowitz-TR and we need disinfecting [07:51] schestowitz-TR the old guards, like IBM an Microsoft, fight back [07:51] schestowitz-TR in less traditional ways [07:51] schestowitz-TR we need to explain what's happening [07:51] schestowitz-TR like, why the GPL is under attack [07:51] gustaf I don't agree, but I don't have hard facts, just hunches [07:51] schestowitz-TR spoiler: because it is popular [07:51] schestowitz-TR same for Linux [07:51] schestowitz-TR very populare [07:51] schestowitz-TR and they are unable to compete anymore [07:52] schestowitz-TR Android also become too big to crush [07:52] schestowitz-TR another aspect is, we fight higher up the stack for freedom [07:52] schestowitz-TR as almost all Android "apps" are nonfree [07:53] schestowitz-TR so the fighr for "freedom" -- no matter what they made up with "open" -- will never end [07:53] schestowitz-TR naturally we get appetite and fight on for more [07:53] schestowitz-TR GitHub was always less GPL-centric [07:53] schestowitz-TR so Microsoft took over and uses that [07:53] schestowitz-TR IBM also doesn't want reciprocal licences [07:54] schestowitz-TR it's why IBM cannot monopolise RHEL [07:54] schestowitz-TR not even with systemd, podman, ansible and whatnot [07:54] schestowitz-TR people clone and fork [07:54] schestowitz-TR github is failing [07:54] schestowitz-TR it's not growing [07:54] schestowitz-TR more people learn the value of self-hosting [07:54] schestowitz-TR we need to teach them that [07:55] schestowitz-TR Android has many splinters, same for Chromium, so Google makes it harder to work around [07:55] schestowitz-TR like very frequent release cycles [07:55] schestowitz-TR (same as systemd) [07:55] schestowitz-TR but the community finds ways around it, as it did with audacity [07:55] schestowitz-TR they try CLA [07:55] schestowitz-TR but GPL wing at the end [07:56] schestowitz-TR and we find a way to regain freedom [07:56] schestowitz-TR with audio editors [07:56] schestowitz-TR so, going back to that "inward" thing [07:56] schestowitz-TR it's self-defence [07:57] schestowitz-TR whose? The freedom lovers (software freedom, mostly code geeks who know how to craft theiir own solutiobs) [07:58] schestowitz-TR Groklaw fought back since the SCO lawsuit until 2013 -- about 10 years [07:58] schestowitz-TR Techrights started in 2006 (Microsoft-Novell collusion around software patents) and we still fight a similar battle (to Groklaw's) 15 years down the line [07:59] schestowitz-TR had we not had lots of people on our side, we would not have made it this far, so clearly people do pay attention and moreover care [07:59] schestowitz-TR [15:51] [techrights-news/tr] ...The person who authored this piece of #Microsoft apologism had also raised Microsoft money (bribes) for #SFC for two years in a row and worked hard to destroy RMS after receiving an award from him. ● Jul 21 [08:00] schestowitz-TR [15:49] [techrights-news/tr] The corrupted OSI, which now sends the majority of its budget Microsoft's way ( #GitHub / #proprietarysoftware ), is of course pretending that mass violation of the #GPL by #Microsoft is no big deal https://opensource.org/copilotimpact [08:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.org | What does Copilot Mean for Open Source? | Open Source Initiative [08:00] schestowitz-TR we are not fighting inwards [08:00] schestowitz-TR GPL is under attack [08:00] schestowitz-TR by Mirosoft in HEY HI clothing [08:00] schestowitz-TR we fight back [08:01] schestowitz-TR OSI was neutered some time last year [08:02] techrights-news NEWS #TimesHigherEducation #Education Putting the social back into #socialscontrolmedia https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/putting-social-back-social-media [08:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.timeshighereducation.com | Putting the social back into social media | Times Higher Education (THE) [08:02] techrights-news NEWS #ITWire #ProprietarySoftware Cyber attackers weaponising Operational Technology to harm, kill humans: study https://itwire.com/security/cyber-attackers-%E2%80%98weaponising%E2%80%99-operational-technology-to-harm,-kill-humans-study.html [08:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - Cyber attackers weaponising Operational Technology to harm, kill humans: study [08:03] kingoffrance well, i can see that. painting things as "infighting" is what many attackers want, to disguise themselves [08:03] kingoffrance then its just "infighting" not coordinated from outside, etc. [08:03] kingoffrance takes all the attention away from them [08:03] techrights-news NEWS #InternationalBusinessTimes #Privacy #Surveillance #Israel Pegasus row continues; Govt officials, Oppn politicians, activists part of snooping list in India [details] https://www.ibtimes.co.in/pegasus-row-continues-govt-officials-oppn-politicians-activists-part-snooping-list-india-838806 [08:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibtimes.co.in | Govt officials, Opposition politicians, activists part of snooping list in India - IBTimes India [08:03] techrights-news NEWS #HTTPToolkit #Privacy #Surveillance Public CDNs Are Useless and Dangerous https://httptoolkit.tech/blog/public-cdn-risks/ [08:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-httptoolkit.tech | Public CDNs Are Useless and Dangerous | HTTP Toolkit [08:03] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 19.81 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 20.78 swarm size (avg): 285.64 [08:04] schestowitz-TR kingoffrance: there is that, too [08:06] techrights-news NEWS #RaspberryPi #RasPi #GNU #Linux Mega six-screen cyberdeck https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/mega-six-screen-cyberdeck/ [08:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.raspberrypi.org | Mega six-screen cyberdeck - Raspberry Pi [08:07] techrights-news NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights #Google Delisted Hundreds of Thousands of URLs to Comply with Russian 'VPN Law' https://torrentfreak.com/google-delisted-hundreds-of-thousands-of-urls-to-comply-with-russian-vpn-law/ [08:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google Delisted Hundreds of Thousands of URLs to Comply with Russian 'VPN Law' * TorrentFreak [08:07] techrights-news NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights #UEFA Wins Two-Year Extension to Streaming Piracy Blocking Order https://torrentfreak.com/uefa-wins-two-year-extension-to-streaming-piracy-blocking-order-210720/ [08:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-UEFA Wins Two-Year Extension to Streaming Piracy Blocking Order * TorrentFreak [08:08] techrights-news NEWS #KrebsOnSecurity Spam Kingpin Peter Levashov Gets Time Served https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/07/spam-kingpin-peter-levashov-gets-time-served/ [08:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-krebsonsecurity.com | Spam Kingpin Peter Levashov Gets Time Served Krebs on Security [08:09] techrights-news iophk: "easier said than done, US government services are done online and tied to facial scans of IDs which have been outsourced to /very/ dodgy companies" https://odysee.com/@DistroTube:2/to-protect-yourself,-never-give-your-dna:c? 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Or local escalation versus remote (Windows has lots of that)? https://www.itnews.com.au/news/linux-systemd-bug-allows-denial-of-service-attacks-567690 https://duo.com/decipher/privilege-escalation-flaw-found-buried-in-linux-file-system [08:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itnews.com.au | Linux systemd bug allows denial of service attacks - Security - Software - iTnews [08:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-duo.com | Privilege Escalation Flaw Found Buried in Linux File System | Decipher [08:13] *activelow (~activelow@nygzi8u5zygf8.irc) has joined #techrights [08:13] schestowitz activelow: morning [08:14] activelow greetings [08:15] techrights-news NEWS #CommonDreams #wikileaks Critics Note Blinken's Vow to Support 'Independent Journalists' Does Not Apply to Julian #Assange https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/07/20/critics-note-blinkens-vow-support-independent-journalists-does-not-apply-julian [08:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Critics Note Blinken's Vow to Support 'Independent Journalists' Does Not Apply to Julian Assange | Common Dreams News [08:15] techrights-news NEWS #DemocracyNow #wikileaks #assange Amnesty International: Julian Assanges Arbitrary Detention Must End. 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Lots of noise about "codes of conduct", anti-LGBT [08:52] gustaf just standard US politics thru a free software lens [08:53] gustaf whether it's internal or directed from the outside isn't really the point [08:54] gustaf accusing people who care about inclusivity in free software of being paid shills doesn't resolve anything [08:54] gustaf it just shifts the blame [08:55] *psydroid__ (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #techrights [08:56] *psydroid_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Jul 21 [09:00] kingoffrance dont disagree. but codes of conduct is not software license, its some other issue [09:01] gustaf narrowly focussing on "code" as opposed to "codes of conduct" is itself dodging the issue [09:01] gustaf free software is a social activity [09:01] gustaf peopel will come into contact with other people [09:01] kingoffrance not according to freedom 0 [09:02] kingoffrance i agree to a point [09:02] kingoffrance i just dont have a solution [09:02] gustaf hehe me neither [09:02] gustaf because these things exist outside the FOSS community [09:02] gustaf people don't check ideas and prejudices at the door [09:03] kingoffrance i agree perhaps ignoring such things doesnt solve anything, but still dont have a solution [09:03] kingoffrance CM says its libertarian [09:03] kingoffrance so, ppl are all over the place [09:04] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 23.81 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 5.65 swarm size (avg): 285.65 [09:04] kingoffrance point being, libertarian implies "freedom of association" [09:04] kingoffrance (or not) [09:04] kingoffrance (of who to associate with, or not) [09:05] gustaf the freedom to fork is always there, but Adam Smith's dictum of comparative advantage still applies [09:06] gustaf it's more efficient to have a larger community doing the work [09:06] gustaf schestowitz-TR: it really does look like Muse is doing a Lee instead of competing on the merits of their code [09:06] gustaf or community [09:06] gustaf kingoffrance: who is CM in this case? [09:07] gustaf I personally believe libertarianism is a pernicious ideology [09:07] gustaf but it's very prevalent online [09:07] kingoffrance crystal math [09:08] gustaf oh him ;) [09:08] kingoffrance just didnt want to highlight [09:08] gustaf at least he explicitely states that... for many people it's un-acknowledged [09:08] kingoffrance yes, i dont know where i am on that, but agree with that [09:10] gustaf doubt we will resolve the open source conumdrum today ;) [09:11] gustaf FWIW I think Free software / GNU is better in the long run than BSD/MIT [09:12] gustaf we're seeing digital sharecropping among popular MIT -licensed projects [09:12] gustaf big corps skimming off free labor [09:13] gustaf GNU might not have a solution to the "how to get paid writing free software" but it's also not giving away labor for absolutley nothing [09:15] kingoffrance i guess for me if i was in charge of some project the solution would be: 1) have -social channel 2) duke it out there [09:16] gustaf lol some people have weird hobbies https://www.npr.org/2014/05/21/314607045/penny-hoarders-hope-for-the-day-the-penny-dies?t=1626851547618 [09:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.npr.org | Penny Hoarders Hope For The Day The Penny Dies : NPR [09:17] gustaf smallest unit of currency in Sweden is the 1 SEK coin, ~10 cents [09:19] activelow a thought about github crossed my mind, which is activity metrics are kept there which do not account for mine: remove and delete whatever possible [09:21] kingoffrance i guess, self-hosting means people/projects will make whatever rules for contributions/mailing lists/whatever [09:22] kingoffrance i mean, more a q of what more organized standards larger entities will enforce or not [09:22] kingoffrance as general "codes" etc. [09:22] kingoffrance i know that might sound like a cop out [09:22] kingoffrance i just not sure what else to say [09:23] kingoffrance *i am [09:23] kingoffrance unless someone wants to start wedding codes of conduct to licenses [09:23] kingoffrance and then, both are jointly required [09:23] kingoffrance and "self-hosting" is no escape [09:25] kingoffrance i cant say that will magically work out, but long run perhaps people will gravitate to wherever they feel comfortable [09:25] kingoffrance not saying it will be pretty [09:25] kingoffrance or even efficient [09:31] kingoffrance i mean, if nothing happens, thats what i see happening [09:32] kingoffrance http://dict.org/bin/Dict?Form=Dict2&Database=devil&Query=omen OMEN, n. A sign that something will happen if nothing happens. lol [09:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dict.org- omen [09:32] kingoffrance a sign if some other sign doesnt throw it off lol [09:35] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@fcn6udvytfdx2.irc) has joined #techrights [09:35] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [09:38] gustaf "ethical licenses" are an attempt to enforce certain conducts thru licenses [09:39] gustaf ofc they break freedom 0 [09:39] kingoffrance yes, i havent really seen such, but its there for people who want them i guess [09:40] *alextee (~alextee@49t98wazbw5y8.irc) has joined #techrights [09:45] activelow maybe a software license does not and cannot cover aspects of ethics and morality, besides freedom even [09:46] activelow GPL can enforce copyleft, as a utility to protect freedom, if possible, which often it isn't regardless of any type of license [09:50] gustaf it's a narrow sort of freedom [09:50] gustaf and that's ok [09:50] gustaf GPL doesn't ensure freedom from surveillance for example [09:56] activelow and neither most of software development nor any activity in "social control media" are "social" as such [09:58] activelow nonetheless free software development is framed into a debate about "social" issues, which doesn't help either to cope with such "social" issue nor with free software development itself ● Jul 21 [10:02] gustaf even if you just concentrate on the narrow sense of "producing working code" (as opposed to "changing the world") that is a _social_ activity [10:02] gustaf at least once the group exceeds a certain size [10:03] gustaf becasue you will get some asshole who will bring up another's gender or sexuality instead of working together for the good of the project [10:03] gustaf the best CoC are just codifications of the golden rule "don't be a dick" [10:04] activelow tend to disagree that staring at a computer monitor and programming are a social activity [10:05] gustaf free software implicitely invites others to collaborate wiht you [10:07] gustaf even projects like Suckless have participants who engage in debates re: CoC etc [10:07] gustaf even though they are explicitely "only about the code" [10:07] gustaf people are social and want to express themselves [10:11] gustaf this looks interesting https://lichess.org/blog/YPc7GREAACgAevs5/fat-fritz-is-not-the-only-ripoff-and-now-chessbase-is-getting-sued [10:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fat Fritz is not the Only Ripoff and now ChessBase is Getting Sued | Blog lichess.org [10:27] activelow ^ i think the question is who the author of the relevant sources was, since authors themselves may decide upon what is published and which license applied to their own work [10:49] *koo6 (~koo6@89-24-13-235.customers.tmcz.cz) has joined #techrights [10:52] techrights-news NEWS #EFF #india Indias Draconian Rules for Internet Platforms Threaten User #Privacy and Undermine #Encryption https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/07/indias-draconian-rules-internet-platforms-threaten-user-privacy-and-undermine [10:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Indias Draconian Rules for Internet Platforms Threaten User Privacy and Undermine Encryption | Electronic Frontier Foundation [10:52] techrights-news NEWS #EFF #Internet Victory! #California Can Now Choose Their #Broadband Destiny https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/07/victory-californians-can-now-choose-their-broadband-destiny [10:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Victory! Californians Can Now Choose Their Broadband Destiny | Electronic Frontier Foundation [10:55] schestowitz dont disagree. but codes of conduct is not software license, its some other issue [10:55] schestowitz yes, that it the issue [10:55] schestowitz attempt to divide us along separate and parallel lines [10:55] schestowitz it's an old trick [10:56] schestowitz IRC wars have relied a lot on political divides rather than technical [10:56] schestowitz When I criticsed OSI for selling out, this is their modus: http://techrights.org/2021/06/01/wikipedia-osi/ [10:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Libel Initiative: OSI President Falsely Insinuates OSI Critics Are Homophobic and Requests Censorship of Wikipedia (for OSI) | Techrights [10:57] schestowitz in the company where I work there is a "no politics" policy [10:57] schestowitz there is no right or wrong politics [10:57] schestowitz just not mixing politics with the work [10:59] techrights-news When "freedom" does not actually mean freedom https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210719/11010147204/maga-freedom-phone-targets-rubes-with-dubious-promises-privacy.shtml [10:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-MAGA 'Freedom Phone' Targets Rubes With Dubious Promises Of Privacy | Techdirt ● Jul 21 [11:00] kingoffrance well im fine im someone says "theres no such thing as neutral"" all politics is everywhere (or personal or whatever) " i just think its 1) a giant can of worms 2) as you said, some places that is not allowed [11:00] schestowitz smallest unit of currency in Sweden is the 1 SEK coin, ~10 cents [11:00] kingoffrance *fine if [11:00] schestowitz Sweden has been dump enough to sage a wat on cash [11:00] schestowitz *dumb [11:00] schestowitz *war [11:00] schestowitz *wage [11:00] kingoffrance i guess, let ppl select the organizations they want to associate with etc. [11:00] schestowitz with this keyboard I really must proofread [11:01] kingoffrance im ok with either view, but once that can is open, it never ends seemingly [11:01] kingoffrance so maybe "neutral" is illusion, but some places still dont want to open that can [11:01] schestowitz "ethical licenses" are an attempt to enforce certain conducts thru licenses [11:01] schestowitz violates freedom 0 [11:02] schestowitz for the sake of someone's political agenda [11:02] schestowitz using code to impose one's thinking on others [11:02] schestowitz it's an affinity licence [11:02] schestowitz you can use my free' work, only as long as I like you... 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Weve seen it (and Ive discussed it here) many times before, coming from antivaxxers as diverse in their level of fanaticism as Mike Adams, who has all but called for Nuremberg-style trials for pro-vaccine physicians" https://respectfulinsolence.com/2021/07/20/the-nuremberg-code-gambit/ [11:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-respectfulinsolence.com | The "Nuremberg Code" gambit - RESPECTFUL INSOLENCE [11:08] techrights-news NEWS #Techdirt The Eternal October: Bringing Back Tech Optimism, Without The Naivety https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210718/01065747196/eternal-october-bringing-back-tech-optimism-without-naivety.shtml [11:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Eternal October: Bringing Back Tech Optimism, Without The Naivety | Techdirt [11:19] techrights-news NEWS #Techdirt Judge Ignores #FirstAmendment , Misreads Town Law, While Ordering Resident To Remove 'Fuck Biden' Signs https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210717/15544047194/judge-ignores-first-amendment-misreads-town-law-while-ordering-resident-to-remove-fuck-biden-signs.shtml #FreeSpeech means you can also give #trump the finger [11:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Judge Ignores First Amendment, Misreads Town Law, While Ordering Resident To Remove 'Fuck Biden' Signs | Techdirt [11:34] techrights-news NEWS #EFF Pegasus Project Shows the Need for Real Device Security, Accountability and Redress for those Facing State-Sponsored Malware https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/07/nso-group-leak-shows-need-real-device-security-accountability-and-redress-those they mostly target so-called 'phones', which are #espionage magnets even without Pegasus [11:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Pegasus Project Shows the Need for Real Device Security, Accountability and Redress for those Facing State-Sponsored Malware | Electronic Frontier Foundation [11:39] techrights-news #Canonical Pushes New Ubuntu Kernel Updates to All Supported Releases http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153632 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [11:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical Pushes New Ubuntu Kernel Updates to All Supported Releases | Tux Machines [11:52] *inky_ has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [11:58] *koo6 has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) ● Jul 21 [12:00] *koo6 (~koo6@89-24-13-235.customers.tmcz.cz) has joined #techrights [12:24] *inky_ (~inky@46.36.118.203) has joined #techrights [12:34] techrights-news #IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 http://techrights.org/2021/07/21/irc-log-200721/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/21/irc-log-200721/ [12:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 | Techrights [12:36] techrights-news Is Valve CANCELING native games? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SFBoB6xijY #games #gnu #linux [12:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Is Valve CANCELING native games? - 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Lots of noise about "codes of conduct", anti-LGBT [14:52] MinceR it isn't really internal [14:53] MinceR what have the likes of microsoft, ibm and ehmke ever done for free software? [14:54] *psymin (~psymin@me3biw7mdts84.irc) has joined #techrights [14:54] *psymin (~psymin@user/psymin) has joined #techrights [14:55] techrights-news Leadership lessons from the company whose leader left, because he was not happy https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2021/7/5-it-leadership-mistakes-avoid [14:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-enterprisersproject.com | 5 IT leadership mistakes to avoid: Alabama CIO of the Year winners share | The Enterprisers Project [14:56] techrights-news Bootstrap GitOps with Red Hat OpenShift Pipelines and kam CLI | Red Hat Developer https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2021/07/21/bootstrap-gitops-red-hat-openshift-pipelines-and-kam-cli #developers | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/21/#latest [14:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developers.redhat.com | Bootstrap GitOps with Red Hat OpenShift Pipelines and kam CLI | Red Hat Developer [14:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [14:58] techrights-news LOLLLL!!!! "Tips on how journalists can avoid getting snooped" over at... yes, #proprietarySoftware with #surveillance and #backdoors https://kushaldas.in/posts/trouble-of-zoom-and-participant-name.html [14:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kushaldas.in | Trouble of zoom and participant name ● Jul 21 [15:01] techrights-news This has got to be a joke. #Fedora Magazine is promoting #Microsoft #proprietarySoftware #monopoly and #GPLviolations https://fedoramagazine.org/run-github-actions-on-fedora-coreos/ [15:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoramagazine.org | Run GitHub Actions on Fedora CoreOS - Fedora Magazine [15:03] techrights-news Planet F#edora becomes inherently satirical, pushing Microsoft's #proprietarysoftware and anti-Linux things [15:03] gustaf MinceR: you and schestowitz think the corruption is from the outside, I think it's internal [15:03] gustaf but the issues are there [15:03] gustaf they're not going away [15:04] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 21.61 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 5.40 swarm size (avg): 285.69 [15:04] gustaf and have to be dealt with [15:04] MinceR i think only the useful idiots are internal [15:04] MinceR some of them, anyway [15:04] gustaf No True Open Source Developer [15:05] techrights-news "Soon after I set up my Rockpro64 board, Peter Robinson told me about an annoying bug that happened on machines with a Rockchip SoC." https://blog.dowhile0.org/2021/07/21/a-framebuffer-hidden-in-plain-sight/ [15:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.dowhile0.org | A framebuffer hidden in plain sight | Blog | Javier Martinez Canillas [15:06] MinceR "open source" is dead [15:06] schestowitz yup [15:07] MinceR https://blog.qualys.com/vulnerabilities-threat-research/2021/07/20/cve-2021-33910-denial-of-service-stack-exhaustion-in-systemd-pid-1 [15:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.qualys.com | CVE-2021-33910: Denial of Service (Stack Exhaustion) in systemd (PID 1) | Qualys Security Blog [15:07] schestowitz let's redefine ptroptiatary as "open" [15:07] schestowitz then... WE WON [15:07] schestowitz even shithub did this [15:08] schestowitz friedman... herded free software in proprietary software [15:08] schestowitz than declariung we won [15:08] schestowitz who? microsot? [15:08] MinceR it went from involving suits in free software to parasites sucking free software dry and attempting to kill it off [15:08] MinceR there's a lesson in there for the community [15:10] techrights-news "A successful DevOps"... blah blah blah... more #buzzwords ttps://enterprisersproject.com/article/2021/7/cicd-misconceptions-explained-part-2 #redhat #ibm [15:15] *activelow (~activelow@mbdp3x2m46v36.irc) has joined #techrights [15:24] psydruid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yZJHnwRy34&t=1461s [15:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dead Desktop Disco | Coder Radio 423 - YouTube [15:27] techrights-news Ankush Das back to posting #zemlin SPAM https://news.itsfoss.com/linux-foundation-sysadmin-day-sale/ don't do that please. LF = #proprietarySoftare front group and parasite: http://techrights.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation [15:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.itsfoss.com | Linux Foundation Offers $100 Off on Courses & Certifications to Celebrate Sysadmin Day - It's FOSS News [15:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation - Techrights [15:37] techrights-news #Nautilus 40 Arrives in Ubuntu 21.10 Daily Builds http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153640 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [15:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Nautilus 40 Arrives in Ubuntu 21.10 Daily Builds | Tux Machines [15:37] techrights-news Squeezing More Performance Out Of The Linux Kernel With Clang + LTO http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153641 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [15:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Squeezing More Performance Out Of The Linux Kernel With Clang + LTO | Tux Machines [15:38] techrights-news #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153642 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [15:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [15:40] kingoffrance well, simple fact is, some licenses give freedom 0, others "compel performance". "inclusive" is a red herring. its a q of can anyone force you to be "inclusive" or not [15:40] kingoffrance and no, us politics never dealth with this [15:40] kingoffrance they said everyone has to be a federal citizen. confederacy is dead, the end [15:41] kingoffrance *dealt. [15:41] kingoffrance thats a bad sign if you look thru that lens [15:41] kingoffrance means 160 years from now, still wont be over lol [15:42] kingoffrance no, it can be not dealt with for a long long long long time [15:43] *MinceR wonders how many bits does a long long long have [15:43] techrights-news #Sout Korea tables law to remove app stores' in-app purchase #monopolies The Register https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/21/south_korea_in_app_purchase_law/ #theregister | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/21/#latest [15:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | South Korea tables law to remove app stores' in-app purchase monopolies The Register [15:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [15:44] techrights-news #Fedora and IBM/Red Hat http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153643 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [15:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora and IBM/Red Hat | Tux Machines [15:44] MinceR https://full.pr0gramm.com/2021/06/13/1e9fecc505353cb7.jpg [15:46] techrights-news LF paying sites for shameless marketing of itself and not #Linux is just more of the same. "Celebrate Sysadmin Day" when LF uses #Windows for it. http://techrights.org/2019/07/17/we-are-the-windows-powered-linux-foundation/ [15:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Apparently Celebrates Sysadmin Day With a Microsoft Windows Site! | Techrights [15:47] kingoffrance well my point is not just a "culture war" its different type of "contract" [15:47] kingoffrance one "use for any purpose" other "you can use to be inclusive only" [15:48] kingoffrance it does not have to be this way, but if they are not allowed to be separate issues, i dont see any alternative [15:48] kingoffrance so that might be blunt/hyperbolic, but if they cannot be separate issues, how else can it end up? [15:49] kingoffrance if they arent separate issues, that switcheroo will have to happen [15:51] kingoffrance the lens of whether they are separate issues or not, will shape the permitted solutions [15:52] activelow the confederacy is an anglo-american USA-specific issue, and it isn't a software license issue either [15:52] kingoffrance conway's law :) remember remember, conway's law [15:52] kingoffrance scroll up, responding to "just standard US politics thru a free software lens" [15:53] kingoffrance i didnt want to touch that, but others woke up/commented [15:54] kingoffrance the issue is can you compel "inclusiveness" or not [15:54] kingoffrance and is this inherent to software license or not [15:54] kingoffrance "ethical licenses" say yes [15:54] kingoffrance non-ethical say no [15:54] activelow as far as politics are concerned laws exist which prohibit incitement, and it isn't up to some software developers to decide upon this with their license either [15:56] activelow and no software license can forbid to study history just because some business entities sanction it [15:56] activelow i am under the impression it sufficed occasionally to do just that: read and think before talking and typing [15:57] kingoffrance another question is who/waht does "inclusiveness" mean? where does that start/end? [15:57] kingoffrance i think even someone for that, might wonder is it ever-shifting? [15:59] kingoffrance the point is, "use for any purpose" will be "incitement" if the 2 must be merged [15:59] kingoffrance so that doesnt really solve anything ● Jul 21 [16:00] kingoffrance should that be redefinition be allowed? [16:00] kingoffrance what before was not incitement, will be [16:00] techrights-news CLI Cloud Storage Manager Rclone 1.56.0 Adds New Serve Docker Command, Reworked Config, New librclone C Library http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153646 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | CLI Cloud Storage Manager Rclone 1.56.0 Adds New Serve Docker Command, Reworked Config, New librclone C Library | Tux Machines [16:00] techrights-news #PipeWire 0.3.32 Released With Numerous Fixes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153645 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PipeWire 0.3.32 Released With Numerous Fixes | Tux Machines [16:01] activelow by a software license? why? this isn't a concern of software licensing, it is common law. [16:01] techrights-news #LinuxFoundation Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153644 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Foundation Leftovers | Tux Machines [16:01] kingoffrance well, it may not get to that point [16:01] kingoffrance but if only "ethical" is allowed [16:01] kingoffrance ...then will people try to outlaw "unethical" "use for any purpose" ? [16:02] activelow a software license cannot decide upon ethics, even if anyone wanted to [16:02] techrights-news #privacy issues notwithstanding https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/20/government_launches_plans_for_digital/ [16:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Verified: UK.gov launching plans for yet another digital identity scheme The Register [16:03] techrights-news " #Linux 5.12 Kernel has reached End of Life. #Kernel developer Greg Kroah-Hartman has asked users to upgrade their kernel to 5.13 now." Very short life. Moving too fast? https://itsubuntu.com/linux-5-12-kernel-reaches-end-of-life/ [16:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux 5.12 Kernel Reaches End Of Life | Itsubuntu.com [16:05] techrights-news #Firebird 4.0 #Docker has been released with images for AMD64, ARM64 and ARM/V7 https://mapopa.blogspot.com/2021/07/firebird-40-docker-has-been-released.html [16:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mapopa.blogspot.com | Mariuz's Blog: Firebird 4.0 Docker has been released with images for AMD64, ARM64 and ARM/V7 [16:07] techrights-news #curl 7.78.0 five in one https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2021/07/21/curl-7-78-0-five-in-one/ #deletegithub #microsoft #monopoly #proprietarySoftware http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_Github [16:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-curl 7.78.0 five in one | daniel.haxx.se [16:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Delete Github - Techrights [16:09] activelow i question the motives and honesty of those who seek to enforce politics with a software license beyond their scope [16:10] kingoffrance eh, there's a word for when neutral is not allowed: religion [16:10] kingoffrance again, us politics never solved this [16:10] kingoffrance there is no solution [16:10] kingoffrance in that sense i agree with gustaf [16:10] kingoffrance that raised its head [16:12] techrights-news Increase security???? You already gave all YOUR mail and OTHER PEOPLE'S mail to Gulag and NSA. What security are you talking about? What #gmail drug are you smoking :-) h https://www.maketecheasier.com/google-gmail-security-with-bimi/ [16:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | Google Aims to Increase Gmail Security with BIMI - Make Tech Easier [16:12] kingoffrance or, more generally, just incompatible philosophies [16:14] techrights-news Company owned by Microsofters: "Has Microsoft figured out a way to invalidate the GPL? We're skeptical." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/145652/dead-desktop-disco-coder-radio-423/ say who? http://techrights.org/2020/05/29/jupiter-broadcasting/ [16:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jupiterbroadcasting.com | Dead Desktop Disco | Coder Radio 423 | Jupiter Broadcasting [16:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft-Connected CloudGuru Doesnt Care About GNU/Linux and Now Its Gradually Killing the BSD/Linux-Centric Jupiter Broadcasting (Bought by Linux Academy) | Techrights [16:15] kingoffrance i pretty much agree with you activelow [16:15] kingoffrance just...theres no answer [16:15] kingoffrance not without opening more cans of worms [16:16] activelow i remember some exemplary debates, about north german confederation, which merely is german history, and mentioning it sufficed to be defamed as "right wing extremist" recently [16:17] activelow while historical facts are, hanseatic league was a predecessor of current European Union and international trade [16:17] kingoffrance yes, daemon said something about "window of permissable discourse" [16:17] kingoffrance if such a redefinition did occur, then you generally wont be able to discuss the old system [16:17] techrights-news Audiocasts/Shows: LINUX Unplugged, SteamDeck, KDE Connect, Coder Radio http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153647 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts/Shows: LINUX Unplugged, SteamDeck, KDE Connect, Coder Radio | Tux Machines [16:19] activelow i don't need any permission from a software license to read about german and european history, and a software license or business entities who seek to sanction this are on my list to "boycott" [16:19] techrights-news #proprietarySoftware drivers should always be presumed a #security hole, e.g. #hp with its keyloggers as "drivers" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/07/nvidia-announce-new-security-issues-make-sure-you-have-updated-drivers [16:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-NVIDIA announce new security issues, make sure you have updated drivers | GamingOnLinux [16:20] activelow a software license and some business entities cannot and must not define what constitutional rights were supposed to be [16:20] *inky (~inky@37.252.67.70) has joined #techrights [16:21] *inky_ has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [16:21] techrights-news SPAMnil again helping blatant GPL violators sell #proprietarySoftware ... the #linuxfoundation is, like Bruce Pernes put it, a #GPL violators' club http://techrights.org/2020/04/28/openwashing-vmware-after-gpl-abuses/ [16:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Foundation Has Helped VMware Lie About Its Deliberate GPL Violations That are Connected to Microsoft, Another Prolific GPL Violator | Techrights [16:21] kingoffrance i did see someone arguing software devs should be licensed due to security holes/etc. and need held accountable [16:22] kingoffrance which im not sure intersects, just q who might be "exempt" if that came to pass [16:22] *job has quit (connection closed) [16:22] *pandakekok9 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [16:22] techrights-news Defending Against Spyware Like #Pegasus https://puri.sm/posts/defending-against-spyware-like-pegasus/ #freesw is safer, but on a 'phone' nothing is safe from mass #surveillance because of the networking [16:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-puri.sm | Defending Against Spyware Like Pegasus Purism [16:24] kingoffrance OTOH, if business uses ms or is that the devs fault some company used something etc. [16:24] kingoffrance i dont see how a dev can be blamed someone misuses their software [16:24] kingoffrance IIRC ms used to have this buried in license text [16:25] activelow probably not an issue of software licensing: sabotage and industrial espionage are illegal anyway, doesn't require additional license terms [16:25] kingoffrance well, they meant developers need license to write code [16:26] kingoffrance since e.g. other types of professionals need to be licensed etc. [16:26] kingoffrance on the theory this would reduce security holes etc. [16:26] kingoffrance and shoddy people/companies could no longer conduct business [16:26] kingoffrance if they made crappy software [16:26] kingoffrance license would be suspended/pulled [16:26] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [16:26] kingoffrance or maybe they'd need a bond lol [16:26] techrights-news #IBM and #Google uses the so-called 'Linux' Foundation to centralise control over what you can and cannot install on your own system https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/sigstore-open-answer-software-supply-chain-trust-and-security see http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148632#comment-28571 [16:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Sigstore: An open answer to software supply chain trust and security [16:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: Git, Tor, and Fake (Monopolised, Centralised) 'Security' From Linux Foundation | Tux Machines [16:27] activelow a University degree or other education are granted by, well a university or school, independent from some big business [16:27] activelow couldn't follow argument how a software license should guarantee sufficient education [16:27] activelow besides, academic freedom [16:28] techrights-news #Security Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153648 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines [16:28] activelow and an employee's contract with a corporation can be terminted if bad quality code is produced, in compliance with labor market legislation [16:29] activelow if big corporations couldn't arrange for labor contracts to do so no idea who software licensing should address this [16:29] activelow *how [16:30] kingoffrance i agree, just was noting "use for any purpose" would not matter, because only professionals could write code for certain purposes [16:32] activelow "use for any purpose" only means the license itself doesn't impose restrictions. this doesn't imply other legal restrictions apply: which sanction sabotage, industrial espionage, proliferation, money laundring or any other illegal activity [16:32] kingoffrance agree [16:33] activelow a software license cannot and does not terminate other law, or constitutional rights [16:33] techrights-news #Blender3d has been racking up lots of money from enemies of software freedom lately https://linuxiac.com/adobe-joins-the-blender-development-fund-as-a-corporate-gold-member/ see http://techrights.org/2020/08/23/blender-payments-from-microsoft-and-unity/ [16:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxiac.com | Adobe Joins the Blender Development Fund as a Corporate Gold Member [16:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Hand Inside the Blender: Microsoft Money for Blenders Development Fund is Not a Cookie Jar Donation But Another Power Move | Techrights [16:34] kingoffrance i agree, but many dont [16:34] kingoffrance "social contract" [16:34] kingoffrance thats all the law and gov is -- one giant contract [16:34] techrights-news [Meme] #Microsoft Does to Free Software Projects What Bill Gates Has Done to the Media for Two Decades http://techrights.org/2020/08/23/tainted-microsoft-money/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/08/23/tainted-microsoft-money/ [16:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Microsoft Does to Free Software Projects What Bill Gates Has Done to the Media for Two Decades | Techrights [16:34] kingoffrance *all it is to some ppl [16:35] techrights-news Its 2020 and Some GNU/Linux Sites Still Celebrate Mono, Even When Microsoft Owns and Controls It Directly http://techrights.org/2020/08/27/helping-mono/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/08/27/helping-mono/ [16:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Its 2020 and Some GNU/Linux Sites Still Celebrate Mono, Even When Microsoft Owns and Controls It Directly | Techrights [16:36] techrights-news Turn Away From Microsoft Money (Influence for Sale) http://techrights.org/2020/08/20/influence-for-sale-to-microsoft/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/08/20/influence-for-sale-to-microsoft/ [16:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Turn Away From Microsoft Money (Influence for Sale) | Techrights [16:42] techrights-news Jack Wallen -- like his publisher (mouthpiece of Microsoft and Linux Foundation) -- for adding bloat, complexity and Microsoft GitHub/blobs to Linux kernel https://www.techrepublic.com/article/let-the-linux-kernel-rust/ see http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/ [16:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Let the Linux kernel Rust - TechRepublic [16:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Kernel Needs to Reject Rust for the Same Reason Linus Torvalds Rejects GitHub (Where Rust is Hosted and Developed) | Techrights [16:43] psydruid > [notice] techrights.org | Its 2020 and Some GNU/Linux Sites Still Celebrate Mono, Even When Microsoft Owns and Controls It Directly | Techrights [16:43] psydruid There is something shipped in Ubuntu and Debian which still pulls in Mono, as I recently found out when I suddenly had lots of updates for it [16:44] techrights-news Deep inside #Torvalds must have reached acceptance of the fact that he's no longer in charge of Linux because of financial strings of monopolies. http://techrights.org/2019/10/30/losing-control-of-linux/ [16:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Torvalds Aging Faster Since Losing Control of Linux | Techrights [16:44] schestowitz psydruid: can you find out what that was? [16:45] schestowitz we still need to eradicate it [16:45] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Mono [16:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mono - Techrights [16:45] schestowitz might also need to update http://techrights.org/wiki/Mono_Applications [16:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mono Applications - Techrights [16:45] schestowitz it's over a decade out of date [16:46] techrights-news 319 terabits great Scott! Boffins in Japan speed along information superhighway at new world record https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/19/319_terabits_internet_speed/ meanwhile in #uk : http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/07/20/dont-fall-for-residential-fibre/ [16:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | 319 terabits great Scott! Boffins in Japan speed along information superhighway at new world record The Register [16:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com Blog Archive The Optical Fibre Experience Part IV [16:48] psydruid schestowitz, there are still many packages which depend on it, so I'm hesitant to completely remove them now [16:48] psydruid But I will try to document what I see is being removed when I issue a command purge all Mono packages, as I have a full Debian install (I installed almost everything) [16:53] *activelow has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:55] techrights-news #RimWorld 1.3 and the Ideology DLC are officially out now | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/07/rimworld-13-and-the-ideology-dlc-are-officially-out-now #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/21/#latest [16:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-RimWorld 1.3 and the Ideology DLC are officially out now | GamingOnLinux [16:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [16:55] *activelow (~activelow@9jbzcpea5xvjg.irc) has joined #techrights [16:58] techrights-news "Operations Manager specifically to build a premium customer experience for current and future Mozillas paid products." CHOKE CHOKE... https://blog.mozilla.org/sumo/2021/07/21/introducing-joseph-cuevas/ #Mozilla #WWW #FreeSW #Firefox #Internet [16:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Introducing Joseph Cuevas The Mozilla Support Blog ● Jul 21 [17:00] MinceR https://img.pr0gramm.com/2021/06/13/6a33a1a7985afe73.jpg [17:00] techrights-news Some 'Linux' sites still foolishly promote a Microsoft PR stunt that's a Microsoft 'distro' of Linux; they used several similar stunts in the past [17:03] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 23.50 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 19.90 swarm size (avg): 285.72 [17:05] kingoffrance to answer your q MinceR , i like c89, before they started mandating bits lol [17:06] kingoffrance so, long long long >= long long is good enough for me lol [17:07] psydruid so long long long, welcome a long long long long [17:07] MinceR :> [17:08] techrights-news #Databases: Firebird 4.0 and PostgreSQL http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153649 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Databases: Firebird 4.0 and PostgreSQL | Tux Machines [17:09] techrights-news #microsoft 'loves' Linux like I love COVID [17:26] kingoffrance should be noted, leenode is a good example of the "contracts/business > gov" [17:27] kingoffrance even if it somewhat tongue-in-cheek or a joke etc. [17:27] kingoffrance *if it is [17:27] kingoffrance can a corporation be autonomous? no, but doesnt stop them from trying [17:29] MinceR they can take over the government [17:29] kingoffrance touche :) [17:30] techrights-news Links 21/7/2021: Kaisen Linux Rolling 1.7, PipeWire 0.3.32, GUADEC 2021 Online Conference Starts http://techrights.org/2021/07/21/pipewire-0-3-32/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/21/pipewire-0-3-32/ [17:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 21/7/2021: Kaisen Linux Rolling 1.7, PipeWire 0.3.32, GUADEC 2021 Online Conference Starts | Techrights [17:31] techrights-news Proprietary #Games and #ProprietarySoftware http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153650 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proprietary Games and Proprietary Software | Tux Machines [17:32] techrights-news #Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153651 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [17:32] kingoffrance not sure exactly how that goes, just whatever legal entity is chartered by some gov [17:32] techrights-news #Tor Releases and #Mozilla "Paid Products" http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153652 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:32] kingoffrance so llc ltd whatever, still applies [17:32] activelow they cannot re-write constitution [17:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tor Releases and Mozilla "Paid Products" | Tux Machines [17:32] kingoffrance they try :) [17:32] MinceR (cat) (audio:music) https://i.imgur.com/7sSUL9k.mp4 [17:32] techrights-news #FreeSoftware Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153653 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Free Software Leftovers | Tux Machines [17:33] techrights-news Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153654 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [17:40] schestowitz psydruid: there are commands under apt for checking what's chained to mono [17:43] activelow psydruid: this should provide detailed information about the dependency graph https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/149805/how-to-find-the-packages-that-depend-on-a-certain-package-in-apt [17:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-unix.stackexchange.com | debian - How to find the packages that depend on a certain package in apt? - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange [17:44] schestowitz-TR kingoffrance: re anonymous corporations, depends on country.. [17:45] schestowitz-TR .in uk we have companies house [17:45] schestowitz https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk [17:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk | Companies House service [17:45] schestowitz so you can also find out a lot about what company YOU work for [17:45] schestowitz not just tyhers [17:46] schestowitz if they register abroad, it can be considered secretive and dodgy [17:47] kingoffrance yes, im not sure we'll ever know, since ppl asking where servers are didnt seem to get answers [17:48] kingoffrance not picking on freenode either, just saying "seems to be an example of that school of thought" is all [17:51] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:51] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:51] activelow another debate i stumbled upon again recently was bitcoin: which was considered a utility to protect against autoritarian regimes. seems inplausible since it is exchanges required anyway to swap btc against fiat cash. [17:53] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [17:53] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [17:53] activelow and a btc transaction requires energy equivalent to driving 1000km with a car, i heard [17:54] kingoffrance well, old ancient precursor hashcash that was the point. purposely make it use resources, to combat spam [17:54] kingoffrance not sure tehre is any direct lineage there, just people saying all the resources used....seems to have come full circle [17:55] kingoffrance that was the original intention :) [17:55] activelow don't know how anyone could argue BTC protected against autoritarian regimes with a straight face to begin with [17:56] kingoffrance i dont know, it means those who can afford power bill get richer, i never saw it as an "equalizing" much [17:56] kingoffrance to be fair, im not sure it was ever marketed as such [17:56] activelow this argument was presented by "finance news" broadcasted in public german tv, funded by tax payers [17:59] schestowitz > of note: starting at about the hour mark, a discussion of bill gates [17:59] schestowitz > malaria work wrt its legality [17:59] schestowitz > tl;dr probably illegal, if arguably beneficial long term [17:59] schestowitz > https://www.noagendashow.net/listen/70 [17:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.noagendashow.net | 70: Short Changed - No Agenda [17:59] schestowitz > ● Jul 21 [18:01] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique#2011 [18:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gates Foundation Critique - Techrights [18:33] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:33] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:35] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [18:36] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [18:46] alextee https://www.reviewgeek.com/92661/microsofts-new-linux-distro-is-a-warning-shot-at-red-hat/ [18:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reviewgeek.com | Microsofts New Linux Distro Is a Warning Shot at Red Hat Review Geek [18:47] MinceR why, does it lack systemd? [18:47] kingoffrance activelow, was that program trying to convince people to use such things, or just trying to be informational? [18:47] alextee it does? would be very funny [18:47] MinceR well, otherwise it would be a "warning shot" delivered into their own head [18:48] alextee that's probably clickbait by the article author [18:48] alextee microsoft gives credit to GNU and FSF at the bottom of the README [18:48] alextee https://github.com/microsoft/CBL-Mariner [18:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - microsoft/CBL-Mariner: Linux OS for Azure 1P services and edge appliances [18:48] alextee this is the first time I've seen them acknowledge that GNU/FSF exist [18:49] kingoffrance i mean, if china blocks btc or whatever which they did in some fashion, then i can see maybe not gov, but ppl trying to push it as "freedom coin" [18:49] kingoffrance which i think would be a giant fallacy, but will probably happen [18:50] MinceR "look out ibm, we can make our own customers beholden to you, and if you aren't careful enough, we'll even make them buy support from you!" [18:50] activelow kingoffrance: all public broadcasting is bound by a type of charta in germany. such publicly funded TV must be neutral/balanced and inform the public [18:51] activelow i question their motives with BTC, since by coincidence it is those who benefit most from BTC who are selling "mining" equipment listed at stock exchange [18:51] kingoffrance it may or may not be "freedom coin" but would be giant mistake IMO to say "x is against it, therefore pro is good" [18:52] kingoffrance whatever it is, xyz is against it i think is not a proper gauge [18:53] kingoffrance at least in general [18:54] kingoffrance i can see marketing devolving into single-dimensionality quickly anyway [18:55] activelow it is somewhat ironic, one moment BTC is portrayed as utility to protect against autoritarian regimes, with a single transaction requiring excess amount of energy, and next moment public TV weather report spreads the lie global temperature increase was limited to 2.5C, meanwhile according to my rough estimates climate change temperature anomalies surpass 10C in germany already ● Jul 21 [19:04] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 23.36 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 8.80 swarm size (avg): 285.75 [19:09] activelow add to this the glorious "energy revolution" in germany had cost trillions of cash since year ~2000 already, to subsidise solar panels and wind turbines which contribute 0% of energy into the industrial energy grid, according to IfO Munich [19:10] activelow another such common propaganda lie, renewable energy had any relevant market share at all in germany, while it is effectively close to below ~1% in total [19:15] activelow truth is Germany relies on coal power plants (80% iirc), since it cannot compensate for the nuclear power shut down otherwise, and the renewable scam cannot either of cause [19:16] activelow so, next brilliant idea and propaganda scam was to agitate for "electric vehicles" by those "eco activists" (many of whom are usa-minions, atlantik brcke) [19:17] activelow electric vehicles will increase the electrical energy demans even further, with even more coal burned - this is what those "green" "eco actvists" agitate for, to benefit coal power plants and tsla shareholders [19:22] activelow in the realm of EU politics madhouse crazyness is unlimited, since there it is industry politics to sanction german manufacturing (germany didn't de-industrialize as much as other EU nations so even if an fake climate activism there didn't benefit climate it certainly will harm economy) [19:23] activelow the only relevant policy implemented was dismantling east-german industry (a minority of people which couldn't defend against mass dismissals ordered by western bureacucrtats after 1990) [19:28] activelow another propaganda lie was the "carbon tax", which is, such a tax exists in germany already, for 20years, with zero benefit except for those who distribute the cash (atlantik brcke minions mostly: Merkel, Rttgen, Merz Blackrock CEO, many "Alliance90/greens", it is a long list of those) [19:30] activelow all of them being enthusiast EU supporters of cause, regularly traveling to washington to express their gratitude for the blessings of USA [19:32] activelow guess who opposes this most prominently? https://www.dw.com/en/nord-stream-2-germany-and-us-strike-deal/a-58575935 [19:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Nord Stream 2: Germany and US strike deal | News | DW | 21.07.2021 [19:39] activelow WRONG: "The United States worries that Russia could cut off energy supplies to Ukraine or other countries as a form of aggression", truth is it was Ukrainians who rerouted supplies before the conflict there escalated (with Burisma/London and Biden clan involved), not Russians [19:46] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:46] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:52] activelow those who agitate for "paris agreement" climate agenda are mouthpieces of the western oil industry, since temperature anomalies surpassed 10C already in germany and those 2.5C published by public news are fraudulent to begin with [19:52] *inky (~inky@37.252.67.70) has joined #techrights [19:53] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [19:53] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [19:56] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has joined #techrights [19:56] AdmFubar https://www.accessnow.org/checking-up-on-big-tech-who-responded-to-the-2020-rdr-index/ [19:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.accessnow.org | The 2020 RDR Index: which Big Tech responded to our recommendations? [19:56] AdmFubar https://www.accessnow.org/government-spyware-raging/ [19:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.accessnow.org | Unsafe and unchecked: government use of spyware raging around the world - Access Now [19:57] AdmFubar https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/7/20/pegasus-project-india-modi-treason-spyware-snooping-scandal [19:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.aljazeera.com | Indias PM Modi accused of treason over Pegasus spyware scandal | Technology News | Al Jazeera [19:58] activelow ^ i suspect this is propaganda too, since most equipment is probably tapped already, without the need for further spyware for governmental agencies ● Jul 21 [20:04] MinceR https://img.pr0gramm.com/2021/06/13/7458da3ec4507ec1.jpg [20:12] activelow the CO2 temperature argument is pseudo-science, CO2 increased ~+30%, methane concentration increased ~+300%!!! (and no, this wasn't cows farting into the atmosphere as those "eco activist" usa propaganda-minions claim, it was methane blowouts in california, deep water horizon blowout and similar) [20:13] AdmFubar uhm no those are from my personal blowouts! :"> [20:15] activelow whichever newspaper i read in germany, full of lies: "If Laschet wants to become chancellor, he must take these concerns seriously and finally come clean about how he intends to reduce CO2 emissions in concrete terms". for what? carbon tax? [20:15] MinceR iirc methane is also freed from permafrost due to global warming [20:16] activelow maybe, what is confirmed are the methane blowouts from "deep water horizon" and another record blowout in california [20:18] activelow oil industry prefers to distract from *dirty* energy production, instead consumption is taxed to redistribute cash (not climate protection) [20:23] activelow in parallel to the climate pseudo science the propaganda campaign hooked onto arguments related to migration in germany, which is even more challenging [20:24] activelow since this is what the carbon tax increase is required for: to compensate the related costs (among other social issues like mass unemployment) [20:26] activelow and with this, again, almost everything which is published is lies and propaganda, beginning with the relevant demographic data [20:27] activelow some plausible arguments were: immigration is required to compensate low birth rate and secure pension funds, and immigration was required for the labor market [20:28] activelow truth is: population size in germany *increased*, 3 million, although it should have shrunk since 1990, population size increased (so much for climate protection) [20:29] activelow and, although population size increased: pension funds are not secured, and lack of staff is reported although many million immigrants arrived [20:31] *ciphrCat (~ciphrCat@v75kd7krrqfvs.irc) has joined #techrights [20:32] activelow and anyone questioning this wisdom is defamed as "right wing extremist", "climate denier", "conspiracy theorist", meanwhile public news channels and TV spread nothing but lies [20:33] MinceR (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yArprk0q9eE [20:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-This Particle Breaks Time Symmetry - YouTube [20:39] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [20:39] *inky (~inky@5.77.165.118) has joined #techrights [20:44] *DaemonFC (~DaemonFC@cjfkttyuqdsv8.irc) has joined #techrights [20:44] activelow up until when a record flood hit villages, many of them established in river-beds and swamp regions, and CO2 required further taxation they say now, which is the argument presented ahead of the national parliament elections in germany [20:54] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:54] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:56] activelow Merkel government increased the cars on german roads by 5 million in absolute numbers iirc, 5 million more cars (not less) in 16 years [20:56] activelow most of the climate propaganda nonsense originates in the "transatlantik" realm of politics, which is 99% west-german, their corporations, media channels, and politics, and Merkel portrayed as east-german, which she isn't and probably never was [20:57] activelow wouldn't surprise me if this puppet "won" the next "democratic election" in germany: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/news/transcripts/annalena-baerbock-on-a-transatlantic-green-deal-and-german-strategies-in-facing-russia-and-china/ [20:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.atlanticcouncil.org | Annalena Baerbock on a transatlantic green deal and German strategies in facing Russia and China - Atlantic Council [20:58] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [20:59] activelow a person whose german language skills wouldn't suffice for an undergraduate degree ● Jul 21 [21:00] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [21:04] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 22.33 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 4.80 swarm size (avg): 285.79 [21:10] MinceR https://64.media.tumblr.com/3d4fcd5dce4e937369a4a7c1b7773be7/66fd66eeb81d8c22-ee/s1280x1920/cd09598c206800b4a6ab5bd83d2416056a19dc12.png [21:18] DaemonFC American colleges don't generally care if you are intelligent in any meaning of the word. [21:18] DaemonFC Got money? Get in there. Got student loans? They have classes! [21:18] DaemonFC They'll get it all out of you eventually so low interest rates.... [21:19] DaemonFC It's almost impossible to the point of not worth trying to discharge student loans in bankruptcy. In fact, the major reason for people with student loans to file bankruptcy is to clear other debts that wouldn't have driven them under without the student loans, so they can direct more income towards the student loans. [21:23] DaemonFC schestowitz, I've noticed that the general demeanor of people you run into in public has changed for the worse. [21:23] DaemonFC There was some sort of world happiness score that I saw the other day. It rated the US as 7.5 and South Africa as 5. I said, "Well, South Africa is under martial law.....". [21:27] AdmFubar https://www.osnews.com/story/133727/revealed-leak-uncovers-global-abuse-of-cyber-surveillance-weapon/ [21:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Revealed: leak uncovers global abuse of cyber-surveillance weapon OSnews [21:33] AdmFubar https://eclecticlight.co/2021/07/18/last-week-on-my-mac-the-perils-of-m1-ownership/ [21:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-eclecticlight.co | Last Week on My Mac: The perils of M1 Ownership The Eclectic Light Company [21:35] AdmFubar https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/cisa-warns-of-stealthy-malware-found-on-hacked-pulse-secure-devices/ [21:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | CISA warns of stealthy malware found on hacked Pulse Secure devices [21:42] psymin see the linux foundation survey about inclusion? [21:57] AdmFubar WTF? https://techcrunch.com/2021/07/20/venmo-removes-its-global-public-feed-in-a-significant-app-redesign/ [21:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Venmo removes its global, public feed as part of a major redesign TechCrunch ● Jul 21 [22:00] AdmFubar https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210719/09354047203/axios-parrots-lot-dumb-debunked-nonsense-about-net-neutrality.shtml [22:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Axios Parrots A Lot Of Dumb, Debunked Nonsense About Net Neutrality | Techdirt [22:01] AdmFubar https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210713/08322647160/2021-bullshit-broadband-cable-tv-fees-are-somehow-still-thing.shtml [22:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-It's 2021 And Bullshit Broadband And Cable TV Fees Are Somehow Still A Thing | Techdirt [22:05] AdmFubar https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210716/16180947186/seventh-circuit-says-reluctantly-that-18-months-pole-mounted-camera-surveillance-isnt-unconstitutional.shtml [22:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Seventh Circuit Says (Reluctantly) That 18 Months Of Pole-Mounted Camera Surveillance Isn't Unconstitutional | Techdirt [22:10] DaemonFC https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/covid-booster-shots-are-probably-on-the-way/ar-AAMphrK [22:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.msn.com | Covid Booster Shots Are Probably on the Way [22:10] DaemonFC COVID booster shots are probably going to happen. [22:10] AdmFubar https://eclecticlight.co/2021/07/19/are-there-flaws-in-some-arm64-instructions/ [22:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-eclecticlight.co | Are there flaws in some ARM64 instructions? The Eclectic Light Company [22:11] AdmFubar https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2021/07/21/threes_asa_fastest_5g/ [22:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Watchdog slaps down Three's claims to be building the UK's 'fastest 5G network' again The Register [22:14] AdmFubar https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2021/07/21/gartner_op_tech_risk/ [22:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Hijacked, rampaging infrastructure will kill humans by 2025 Gartner The Register [22:14] activelow apropos 5G, vodafone insisted my old cable modem had to be replaced, and the new one automatically enables WLAN with every reboot [22:14] schestowitz What is she on about? http://deblanc.net/blog/2021/07/21/updates-2/ [22:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-deblanc.net | Updates (2) | Life on M [22:14] schestowitz seems like ma mindless rambloe [22:15] AdmFubar https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2021/07/21/steve_jobs_application_nft_auction/ [22:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Former ad exec sticks Steve Jobs' 1973 job application in a scanner for physical-versus-digital NFT auction The Register [22:15] schestowitz cult [22:15] activelow furthermore this new router/modem requires twice as much electricity, 10watts instead of 5w [22:16] activelow and, it is dual-stack lite now, without any public ipv4 anymore, which vodafone said they would enable for this router, but they didn't [22:16] schestowitz "I feel like I havent had a lot to say about open source or, in general, tech for a while. From another perspective, I have a whole lot of heady things to say about open source and technology and writing about it seems like a questionable use of time when I have so much other writing and reading and job hunting to do. I will briefly share the two ideas I am obsessed with at the moment, and then try to write more about them later." [22:16] schestowitz She says "open source" [22:16] schestowitz enough pretending then [22:17] DaemonFC Comcast isn't bitching about my old Netgear gateway from 2013, and it still tests at the rated speed even over my VPN. [22:17] AdmFubar probably wrote while stoned [22:17] DaemonFC So as long as they don't give it the boot, I can't see a reason to spend more. [22:18] DaemonFC By the time they do, a lot of these expensive 32x16 DOCSIS 3.1 gateways will be "Amazon recertified" for $70. [22:18] DaemonFC Whereas they'd cost me $200+ now. [22:19] activelow i am surprised the 10year old modem required only 50% of electricity, while the new one is manufactured with modern semiconductors, 10watts is very much [22:20] activelow and i am rather angry vodafone can enable WLAN in my flat, without my consent, it is the operator who configurs the router [22:23] activelow this is the fourth time vodafone (UK) cheated beyond limits [22:23] activelow since when kabeldeutschland was "sold" to them [22:24] *inky_ (~inky@46.36.117.225) has joined #techrights [22:25] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [22:25] activelow and, no more public ipv4, which isn't "internet", this is some private LAN with access outbound behind a proxy, which i am paying for 31Euros monthly for 32mbit/2mbit [22:31] *psydruid has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:35] *psydroid__ has quit (connection closed) [22:43] DaemonFC If you rent a Comcrap modem, they open up a public wifi network on it for their other customers, and in return, you add $14 a month to your bill. [22:44] activelow the router LED for WLAN doesn't at least indicate it is activated, i can only see this in the config menu, and even if i deactivate WLAN with the next reboot it is enabled again. add to this remote provisioning by vodafone which they silently do/did. [22:45] MinceR (cat) (no audio) https://i.imgur.com/7a9pNMB.mp4 [22:47] DaemonFC Wingstop says that inflation on chicken wings has gotten so bad that the wholesale price is up over 500% vs. what they paid last year. [22:47] DaemonFC They switched to chicken thighs with wing sauce because those only cost about double what they paid for wings last year. [22:47] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:48] DaemonFC I always thought that wings were overrated. They used to be the cheapest part of the chicken until bars started serving them, and then the price went up from like 19 cents per pound just so the shop could get rid of them to like over $3. [22:49] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [22:49] DaemonFC Mom quit buying chicken breasts because of inflation and started buying chicken thighs for everything that calls for chicken breasts. [22:49] activelow 19cents/500grams is very cheap, in comparison to supermarket prices in germany (~60cents/100grams) [22:50] DaemonFC Before the inflation she always said she hated dark meat and would demand that they put all white meat chicken in the buckets at KFC. [22:50] DaemonFC They didn't charge much more for that back then. [22:50] DaemonFC 19cents/500grams is very cheap, in comparison to supermarket prices in germany (~60cents/100grams) [22:50] DaemonFC Chicken is still the cheapest thing in the meat department. It'll take years for the beef industry to recover from the mess that COVID made. [22:51] DaemonFC I have to wait until markdown day and when steak is 40% off now to pay what the normal price was last year. [22:51] DaemonFC Then I hurry up and freeze it. [22:52] DaemonFC Of course with the sticker shock, they sell less of it at full price and then they do mark down more of it than they used to. [22:53] DaemonFC I noticed that for whatever reason, Walmart tends to order more halal chicken than they sell and so it's marked down constantly, so my freezer is full of it. [22:54] activelow quality cattle beef is even more expensive, 1Euro/100grams or more. separator meat from pork is affordable still, and grinded burger pork meat. suspect many immigrants do not eat it. [22:55] activelow the argument to justify this in germany was "climate", same with electricty prices, nonetheless all those carbon taxation isn't enough. no surprise, since those taxes never were intended for "climate change". [22:55] DaemonFC It's running $12.97 per pound for USDA Choice sirloin, and that's at Walmart. [22:55] activelow next price shock will be when "bio fuels" are agitated for, to burn corn and wheat as petrol. [22:55] activelow which is on the agenda of those "eco activist" safe the planet climate agitators [22:55] DaemonFC If you want grass fed, it'll run clear over $14, and if you go to Jewel-Osco add about 15% on top of either figure. [22:56] DaemonFC I switched my Discover account to one with rotating 5% categories. [22:57] DaemonFC I figure I have 6 months until it's grocery stores, and when it is I'll have my freezer emptied and I'll go to Aldi and load up on steak and chicken. [22:57] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:57] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:57] *alextee has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:58] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [22:58] AdmFubar buy beef cuts of flank, hanger, flat iron, skirt steaks.. they are lower cost and tastier...:) [22:59] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [22:59] schestowitz-TR https://nitter.actionsack.com/Tedimayozarks/status/1417929846630535170#m [22:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.actionsack.com | Tedi (@Tedimayozarks): "#privacyonline #jesusspokeinparables Thoughts? http://techrights.org/2020/07/02/ddg-privacy-abuser-in-disguise/" | nitter ● Jul 21 [23:01] schestowitz https://twitter.com/SpanishNorseman/status/1417470467603054629 [23:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SpanishNorseman: I suppose we should have known it was too good to be true... https://t.co/gWCpBf9Us2 [23:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Why You Should Avoid DuckDuckGo (DDG) 2021 Edition, Now Microsoft-Hosted and With Extra Privacy Risks | Techrights [23:04] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 15.21 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 44.56 swarm size (avg): 285.63 [23:06] activelow schestowitz: DDG does not block access through onions, DDG does not require any javascript either. google search is worse than DDG. [23:11] DaemonFC schestowitz, I posted this elsewhere but it's sort of tech-related. [23:11] DaemonFC Aldi doesn't save you much money these days. [23:11] DaemonFC Back in the day, they didn't accept credit cards because they didn't want to pay the network fees. As soon as they started taking them, the price of groceries went up to damned near what they cost at Walmart, sometimes more. [23:11] DaemonFC Someone is going to pay the 2-3% card network fees, and it's going to be everybody even if you don't use the cards. [23:11] DaemonFC I used to go out of my way to shop at Aldi because they didn't make me pay more for food so someone with an AmEx could save for a trip to Disney with my grocery money. [23:11] DaemonFC But now, nope. [23:13] *alextee (~alextee@rx8y8i9qx625n.irc) has joined #techrights [23:14] *psymin has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [23:14] *psymin (~psymin@user/psymin) has joined #techrights [23:15] DaemonFC The Federal Reserve has studied the issue, and found that they are an upwards wealth redistribution from the poor to the rich. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-fed-wealthtransfer-idUSTRE66P50S20100726 [23:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Credit card fees transfer wealth to rich, study finds | Reuters [23:15] DaemonFC On top of this problem, the IRS also gives people who receive the rewards a pass for the income by not taxing it. They don't care how much you bring in, even if it's over the normal $600 that would trigger a form 1099. [23:16] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [23:17] schestowitz https://www.drupal.org/sa-core-2021-004 [23:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://www.drupal.org/sa-core-2021-004 ) [23:17] DaemonFC schestowitz, Did you see where TurboTax is no longer offering a free tax filing product for simple returns? [23:17] schestowitz "I'm not sure this is applicable to our sites, but a client has tons of stuff added." [23:18] schestowitz "Exploitation may be possible if contrib or custom code uses the library to extract tar archives (for example .tar, .tar.gz, .bz2, or .tlz) which come from a potentially untrusted source." [23:18] DaemonFC The IRS dropped a promise not to develop a direct filing program, but has not created one. [23:18] schestowitz yes, I saw [23:18] schestowitz propublica covered it [23:18] DaemonFC So now the tax software people are dropping their free file and there soon won't be any way to do so without grabbing paper forms and mailing them in yourself, which the IRS says you shouldn't do. [23:19] DaemonFC They're so backlogged that people who filed more than a year ago still haven't seen their 2019 return come in. [23:19] schestowitz-TR IRS is not doing its job [23:19] schestowitz-TR it's only pretending to [23:19] DaemonFC the IRS has completely broken down. [23:20] DaemonFC They're not auditing the people who are telling major whoppers on their 1040. [23:20] schestowitz-TR it goes after poor and vulnerable people [23:20] DaemonFC You call and nobody answers and it hangs up on you after 6 hours. [23:20] schestowitz-TR just to keep numbers up, ior intact [23:20] schestowitz-TR the IRS is a symptom of your crumbling country [23:20] schestowitz-TR *not that we are doing all that great either [23:21] DaemonFC Yes, because to fight a tax audit you get an attorney and nobody will do that if the IRS says you owe us $50 because we corrected your return. [23:21] DaemonFC But it probably cost them $600 to figure that out. [23:22] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, I had to grab an attorney to fight off more false accusations by the police with the traffic incident they didn't witness. [23:22] DaemonFC Where the other guy is a child molester who jumped bail in Wisconsin and then was involved in a prison riot. [23:22] DaemonFC They don't want to be seen as not PC, so instead of just writing up the damned report and going away, they stick it to the white guy. [23:24] DaemonFC I see it as a "Here's the bill for making us come out here and take the accident report.". [23:24] DaemonFC If they have to come out, someone gets a ticket, and with all of the BLM horseshit, it's not going to be the black guy even if he is a chomo. [23:25] DaemonFC Even if he doesn't have a license. [23:25] DaemonFC Even if he can't prove he has insurance. [23:25] DaemonFC Black Privilege [23:25] DaemonFC You get to bounce around with no ID and no insurance as a felon convict and because it's Illinois they won't do anything with you. [23:26] DaemonFC I don't blame him for leaving Wisconsin. They still have actual law enforcement. Not police that come out and act as another revenue agency and not a hell of a lot else. [23:28] DaemonFC MinceR, I add some security to my garbage before I take it out. [23:28] DaemonFC Not only do I shred up my voided checks and statements and things before tossing them, but then I pour in my own special blend of cat waste and old coffee grounds from the other trash can. [23:29] DaemonFC Then I take it out to the dumpster. [23:29] DaemonFC The thinking goes that they're going to have to do some very unpleasant work if they dumpster dive to try to steal my identity. [23:35] DaemonFC We had electric scammers out here again the other day pretending to be ComEd employees. [23:35] DaemonFC It's getting bad. These two looked like a couple of hipsters complete with man buns. [23:36] DaemonFC I told Mandy that there were people out here trying to scam me with an energy bill thing and he goes "Are they black?" I said, "No, they were white, and they dressed better than me. This is getting very convincing.". [23:43] schestowitz-TR "man buns"? [23:48] DaemonFC Yeah, the hairstyle. [23:48] DaemonFC I used to know a guy in Fort Wayne, Indiana named Joe, and then when I got to Chicago, I used to shop at Jewel Osco over by the Roosevelt Orange Line sometimes. [23:49] DaemonFC One of the cashiers looked like Joe with a man bun so I just called him Man Bun Joe with John. 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