●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, July 21, 2022 ●●
● Jul 21
[00:00]	DaemonFC	Man, they really do start younger and younger, don't they?
[00:00]	DaemonFC	A four year old shooting at the police. FOUR!
[00:01]	DaemonFC	My cousin's kid is 6 and he's still running around the house playing with toys shouting to everyone that he made a big boy poop. Meanwhile, in Chicago, they're fucking 4 and smoking crack and shooting at cops.
[00:01]	DaemonFC	People wonder why I hate it here.
[00:03]	britney	lol
[00:03]	britney	Haven't you ever seen Robocop 2?
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[00:08]	britney	I wonder how many reptilians program in python
[00:08]	DaemonFC	Those just got worse and worse.
[00:12]	DaemonFC	britney, I'm taking the 2008 Minnesota election as proof that there are lizard people.
[00:12]	DaemonFC	In awarding Al Franken the contested ballot, the judge admitted that lizard people are real and Al Franken is one of them.
[00:13]	DaemonFC	By simple deductive reasoning that Norm Coleman didn't get the ballot, we can conclude that Coleman isn't a lizard person.
[00:13]	DaemonFC	Therefore, there's a way to flush out the lizard people.
[00:14]	DaemonFC	In every election on the ballot that has a Write-In candidate, we need to either start a Write-In campaign to put "Lizard Person" in the space provided and then checkmark all of the listed candidates.
[00:15]	DaemonFC	Then we force a recount and see which "person" the judge awards the ballot to, and they're the Lizard Person, because the law says the intent of the voter is what should prevail.
[00:15]	DaemonFC	MinceR, ^
[00:15]	britney	DaemonFC, fair enough
[00:16]	DaemonFC	Only one person needs to have put "Lizard Person" in order to contest the ballot during a recount and see how the judge rules.
[00:16]	britney	I think there are two major factors in lizard people
[00:16]	britney	global warming - reptilians want it warm
[00:17]	britney	eating bugs - the world economic forum is now promoting bugs to eat
[00:17]	britney	reptiles like bugs
[00:17]	DaemonFC	In a Ranked Choice Voting system, like Maine's, you could vote Lizard Person, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian.......or is that Lizardtarian?
[00:17]	DaemonFC	We'll just have to see who they award it to.
[00:17]	britney	https://cerberusinvestigations.neocities.org/reptilian-agenda.html
[00:17]	MinceR	21 011241 < DaemonFC> In awarding Al Franken the contested ballot, the judge admitted that lizard people are real and Al Franken is one of them.
[00:17]	MinceR	i wonder how that works
[00:18]	britney	Roy's bot is still broken lol
[00:18]	MinceR	if there were two votes for two different people, even with one of them crossed out, it would have been an invalid vote, but since both votes are for the same person, it counts?
[00:19]	MinceR	Lizardarian... wait, no, that's someone who eats lizards
[00:19]	britney	schestowitz-TR, i broke TechrightsBot-tr
[00:20]	britney	https://cerberusinvestigations.neocities.org/schwab-crickets.jpg
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[00:28]	MinceR	(cat) https://rimgo.bcow.xyz/gallery/QXe7xiF
[00:35]	britney	you're going to eat the crickets because our reptilian overlords say they're delicious
[00:41]	britney	https://www.cricketflours.com/
[00:46]		*psydroid2 sends giant frogs after the lizards at the WEF
[00:49]	psydroid2	Beelzebufo will rule them all
[00:49]	bagira	are those gay frogs though? 
[00:50]	DaemonFC	<MinceR> if there were two votes for two different people, even with one of them crossed out, it would have been an invalid vote, but since both votes are for the same person, it counts?
[00:52]	MinceR	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPs3EeRyL9Y
[00:52]	britney	its either a vote for a hive mind neanderthaller backed candidate or a reptilian one
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[00:52]	britney	both play humanity like a giant game of chess
[00:52]	DaemonFC	Two votes plus Lizard People = Whoever the judge awards it to is a Lizard Person / One Vote Plus Lizard People = If judge decides it's valid, that means the person who gets it is a Lizard Person / Lizard Peopls plus three votes = The person who got the vote is a Lizard Person, but we can't rule out the other two either. / Lizard People plus multiple votes and judge throws it out....Nobody gets the vote, but none of them are Lizard People.
[00:52]	MinceR	britney: how do i vote for Cthulhu?
[00:53]	britney	MinceR, write it in
[00:53]	MinceR	DaemonFC: what's the legal principle behind all this?
[00:53]	DaemonFC	Intent of the voter, plus the fact that the judge is definitely a lizard person but is bound by Admiralty Law due to the courts being replaced by the Corporate State.
[00:53]	DaemonFC	Or so I'm told.
[00:54]	DaemonFC	So the judge definitely knows which one is the Lizard.
[00:55]	DaemonFC	They don't allow non-Lizard judges. In fact, if you ever hire an Attorney, he's a Lizard too. That's why you don't understand a thing they're talking about up there. They say it's Latin, but that's only because Latin is a corrupt form of the Lizard Language. The people in the Roman Empire were given their civilization by the Lizards.
[00:56]	DaemonFC	They only lost it when the Lizard People went into the Lizard Schism.
[00:56]	MinceR	DaemonFC: what's the rule on voting for multiple people at the same time?
[00:56]	DaemonFC	That's why Rome fell, but the schools don't teach history.
[00:56]	DaemonFC	<MinceR> DaemonFC: what's the rule on voting for multiple people at the same time?
[00:57]	DaemonFC	Legally, it spoils the ballot unless the voter's clear preference can be unambiguously determined. So if you also say you want the Lizard People, then your intent can be determined.
[00:57]	britney	history = his story, or hi story
[00:57]	MinceR	DaemonFC: i see
[00:57]		*MinceR goes to learn some lizardry
[00:58]	DaemonFC	Donald Trump was overthrown before he could unmask who the pedophiles and Lizard people were. It turned out that Mike Pence was a pedophile lizard and that that's why people wanted to hang him.
[00:58]	MinceR	Lizard People + 3 votes can get thrown out even if more than 1 of those people is a lizard
[00:58]	MinceR	since it's ambiguous (you wanted Lizard People, but which?)
[00:59]	MinceR	also... They're taking the DMT to Isengard!
[00:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.48 k/sec., IPFS upstream 23.21 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[00:59]	DaemonFC	Ah, yes, that would be a spoiled ballot.
[00:59]	DaemonFC	But could you slip in that the judge's preferred Lizard candidate should get the ballot?
[00:59]	DaemonFC	:)
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[01:00]	DaemonFC	Or that you don't mind which Lizard Person gets it as long as it's a Lizard Person?
[01:00]	MinceR	i don't think your system has that option
[01:00]	DaemonFC	I don't know if you ever run out of space to type.
[01:00]	DaemonFC	You could type in Lizard People, because there's definitely names with that many letters in them.
[01:04]	DaemonFC	https://www.npr.org/2022/07/20/1105843501/electoral-count-act-changes-pence-january-6th
[01:08]	DaemonFC	https://www.npr.org/2022/07/19/1112335543/netflix-second-quarter
[01:08]	DaemonFC	LOL
[01:08]	DaemonFC	"Netflix loses nearly 1 million subscribers. That's the good news"
[01:09]	DaemonFC	https://www.npr.org/2022/07/19/1112318803/uk-100-degree-heat-dangerous
[01:09]	DaemonFC	It's fitting that the heat wave affects the UK.
[01:10]	DaemonFC	The English speaking world has the lowest level of scientific literacy, it seems. Enough carrot.
[01:12]	MinceR	i do not carrot all.
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[01:13]	bagira	what is a "mentally compromised state"
[01:14]	bagira	is that drugs
[01:14]	bagira	not that it would matter
[01:16]	MinceR	DaemonFC: "The first lizard person appearing on the list above"
[01:50]	DaemonFC	I got a stubborn Web site to work by setting a domain-specific User Agent for it and saying SeaMonkey was Safari on an iPad.
[01:52]	earthling	what's why W3C standards are good
[01:52]	earthling	can't just say it's HTML4 Loose capable, and expect it loaded
[01:54]	MinceR	they're not good
[01:54]	MinceR	HTML5 promotes nonfree codecs and includes support for DRM
[01:55]	earthling	WASM
[01:55]	earthling	w3m|links|lynx are still capable and a joy to use
[01:55]	britney	I love lynx
[01:56]	earthling	takes some time to adapt back to sanity, after decades of mental torture
[01:56]	earthling	didn't use any modern browser almost 2 years now
[01:57]	earthling	while ago, migrated to netsurf, then backed down further, 6months now w3m/links/lynx
[01:58]	earthling	it's a bliss, particularly with gentoo, the browser malware from google/micros~1/moz removed alone saves hours and weeks of work and compilation time
[01:58]	britney	mozilla is malware?
[01:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.48 k/sec., IPFS upstream 23.21 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[01:59]	earthling	Webkit/Epiphany which FSF promotes too is malware, all of it... chromium, moz, webkit
[01:59]	britney	how is it malware?
[01:59]	earthling	and those offer a malware execution runtime on top, with wasm
● Jul 21
[02:00]	earthling	because it meets the definition of malware 100%
[02:00]	earthling	including Epiphane which FSF promotes, shame on them
[02:00]	earthling	*Epiphany
[02:00]	britney	what is your definition of malware?
[02:01]	earthling	it is pure malice, don't know where to begin
[02:01]	britney	ok
[02:01]	earthling	first, it is impossible to review the monstrosity
[02:02]	britney	im guessing your definition of malware is, doesn't run on a pentium4 or less ?
[02:02]	earthling	chromium, how much is it, the source bundle... more than 1GiB of crap delivered once or twice a week
[02:02]	britney	I use firefox and brave
[02:02]	earthling	it is impossible to review, regardless of if a pentium4 could run it or not
[02:02]	earthling	and a pentium4 can btw.
[02:02]	britney	do you actually review the code of all the software you run?
[02:03]	earthling	furthermore, _all_ those "browsers" in fact are nowadays a runtime, mostly for malicious code, unverifiable loaded onto the users computer
[02:03]	earthling	it is pure evil
[02:03]	earthling	btw. it is GNOME/Epiphany, althoug i do not distinguish gnome/fsf/gnu
[02:04]	earthling	i would stuff them into a sack all at once, zip it, and grab a baton to beat
[02:04]	earthling	impossible to hit anyone errornously inside
[02:04]	britney	ok so we know you use w3m/links/lynx but what about irc client and mail client?
[02:05]	earthling	mutt mailer seems decent
[02:05]	earthling	and there is other options available
[02:05]	earthling	with irc i prefer catgirl
[02:05]	earthling	i think weechat and irssi linked against Glib and similar... no thanks
[02:05]	britney	yeah, my favourite text based e-mail client is alpine but I still use claws-mail because I prefer GUI based apps
[02:06]	earthling	i would have wanted to keep GTK, yet decided with the harfbuzz dependency chain a red line again was crossed by some other entities inside the sack of freedom to beat onto
[02:06]	earthling	redhat,google,facebook
[02:08]	earthling	GTK is missing standardization, and with GTK4 ahead i decided away with it once and for all
[02:09]	earthling	initially, i didn't intend to wipe Glib for example
[02:09]	earthling	yet when i realizded GNU/FSF/Gnome promote pure evil such as webkit/epiphany
[02:10]	earthling	hey why not, simply check the origin, GNU/FSF license banner somewhere... away with it
[02:10]	britney	I'd rather use Gnome than KDE
[02:10]	britney	earthling, what are you using for a GUI?
[02:10]	earthling	yaft and dvtm terminal multiplexer
[02:11]	earthling	i would accept X11 and motif widget toolkit still, yet there isn't any benefit with those anymore
[02:12]	earthling	if anyone was interested in repairing the netsurf-motif port to gentoo/linux prepared... that could be one candidate to reconsider X11 and motif at least
[02:12]	britney	wait a second
[02:12]	britney	you don't use XORG, X11 or Wayland?
[02:12]	earthling	with X11, jwm window manager was ok, as far as dependencies were concerned
[02:12]	earthling	britney: none of it, yes.
[02:12]	britney	oh wow, you're hardcore 
[02:12]	earthling	although, i would accept X11/motif/jwm
[02:13]	earthling	GNOME however is pure evil
[02:13]	earthling	it wasn't, yet it has become
[02:13]	britney	how is gnome "pure evil"
[02:13]	earthling	harfbuzz/c++, and systemd/dbus
[02:14]	earthling	X11 with jwm isn't that bad, although Xorg too was affected by some systemd clutter (evdev, and who knows what else)
[02:15]	earthling	i still got the 100% clean no-systemd/no-udev/no-dbus X11/GTK profile archived
[02:15]	earthling	no other distro got that
[02:15]	earthling	however, i am not willing to maintain pentagon malware
[02:16]	britney	how is the pentagon involved in udev and dbus?
[02:16]	britney	i can understand why people don't like systemd but what does udev and dbus fit into this
[02:16]	MinceR	gnome has the MICROS~1 attitude >> https://imgur.com/pYuj8tW
[02:16]	earthling	attention, besides technical facts, this is my opinion: systemd/dbus are a spyware middleware infrastructure
[02:18]	earthling	brought to you by and promoted with FSF/GNU label, or am i mistaken about this "minor" little detail?
[02:18]	earthling	and even if, there is good arguments to be made, for LAWFUL INTERCEPTION
[02:18]	earthling	nonetheless, the entire technical design and implementation of this spyware isn't in compliance
[02:18]	britney	I think it is insane that gnome removed the system tray icons
[02:19]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2], The review of how SeaMonkey is doing is turning into a really long post.
[02:19]	DaemonFC	It's clearly not doing well these days.
[02:20]	psydruid	what would be totally cool is gnome removing itself
[02:20]	psydruid	that would be the sanest thing they've ever done
[02:20]	DaemonFC	You can make it work, but doing so generally requires advanced knowledge of how to set up a Mozilla-based browser, including creating about:config strings, modifying advanced settings, and looking for "legacy" versions of extensions that will still install and go ahead and work.
[02:21]	earthling	with seamonkey you'll need even more vile crap to compile this at least, because rust, llvm
[02:22]	earthling	which is insane amounts of source text impossible to review, maintain, or at least compile in a reasonable time
[02:22]	earthling	or, you're going to tell me "free software" and "opensource" weren't supposed to be reviewed and compiled from source?
[02:24]	earthling	of cause i am not willing to review everything, i only verify if it would be possible at least to dig into source text with an acceptable amount of effort and time
[02:25]	earthling	some years ago, FSF/GNU too promoted mozilla malware
[02:25]	britney	earthling, are you saying that you've read the source code for w3m/links/lynx ?
[02:25]	earthling	i had to dig into all three of those for one or another reason
[02:25]	earthling	withy lynx some security advisory cought my attention, with w3m i had some problem with gpm/mouse support etc...
[02:26]	britney	mouse support without X11?
[02:26]	earthling	with links it's still there
[02:27]	earthling	for w3m i hacked some mouse cursor and paste-buffer into yaft
[02:27]	britney	you have some pretty extreme views
[02:27]	DaemonFC	It seems that as of 2012, SeaMonkey isn't even a part of Mozilla anymore.
[02:27]	DaemonFC	It's a German non-profit.
[02:27]	earthling	just some random tasks, which are useful to see, what source text of "free software" is made of
[02:28]	britney	DaemonFC, why are you running SeaMonkey?
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[02:29]	britney	ok lol
[02:29]	earthling	i quit with maintaining an outdated seamonkey version when it didn't compile anymore, the build system of it alone is a horror show
[02:29]	earthling	a nightmare
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[02:29]	DaemonFC	Why not?
[02:30]	DaemonFC	Yeah, I noticed Ubuntu dropped SeaMonkey years ago.
[02:30]	britney	why not firefox?
[02:30]	DaemonFC	I was going to mention that in my blog.
[02:30]	DaemonFC	I installed it because I noticed Fedora still packages it.
[02:30]	britney	SeaMonkey reminds me of Netscape 6
[02:34]	bagira	re: peter todd case, first filing eval did not go well, not seeing vindication yet: https://www.abuseonline.org/database/Garrett,%20Matthew/controversial/Reichwein,%20Sarah%20Michelle/starting_notes
[02:34]	britney	DaemonFC, we both use the same version of hexchat
[02:34]	bagira	im eager to get to the defense filings
[02:34]	DaemonFC	I noticed.
[02:35]	britney	DaemonFC, my kernel is slightly newer than yours
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[02:45]	britney	earthling, have you considered the enlightenment desktop?
[02:47]	britney	fvwm95 might be cool too
[02:48]	TR News	AuraGem Search Update gemini://auragem.space/devlog/20220720_search.gmi
[02:49]	TR News	"Documents have many positive aspects and forcing people to use an app (anything with Javascript) means that almost always the experience degrades: less accessibility, less freedom in layout, theming, archiving, printing, navigation, and so on." gemini://alexschroeder.ch/page/2022-07-20%20What%20about%20Javascript%3F
[02:49]	TR News	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D649.jpg
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[02:51]	earthling	britney: no
[02:51]	TR News	"Lucky and charitable readers of Max Stirner will remember that first moment in which they grasped (or felt as though they had grasped) Stirner's process of inquiry, that feeling of complete exhilaration that comes from one's first sustained encounter with Der Einzige und sein Eigentum." gemini://fawn.garden/log/Note_on_Stirner.gmi
[02:52]	earthling	i did review various, for a long time enjoyed i3 window manager, until i removed all c++ and there was something hit with it (cmake i think)
[02:52]	TR News	The Beagles of Envigo gemini://fawn.garden/log/The_Beagles_of_Envigo.gmi
[02:52]	britney	c++ is trash
[02:52]	britney	i can't blame you there
[02:52]	earthling	jwm was the easiest to configure, small, efficient, good enough
[02:52]	earthling	until i too wiped entire X11
[02:53]	earthling	simply because there wasn't any program remaining which required it and passed my acceptance criteria
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[02:53]	earthling	what is X11 useful for, if GTK and QT are gone?
[02:53]	britney	jwm looks kinda cool
[02:53]	earthling	it is clean as far as i can tell.
[02:54]	TR News	AuraGem's Go Code for Converting Gemsub Feed to Atom gemini://auragem.space/devlog/20220720.gmi
[02:54]	britney	X11 is useful for running multiple terminal windows at a high resolution
[02:54]	earthling	i do this with yaft and dvtm now
[02:55]	britney	how do you use facebook?
[02:55]	earthling	never used it
[02:55]	britney	so you don't have any friends in real life?
[02:55]	earthling	never used any android/iphone/tablet, never in my life, not once
[02:56]	TR News	"Stephano Cetola, Director of Technical Programs for RISC-V International, returns to bring Doc Searls and Jonathan Bennett up to speed on the many new developments in and around RISC-V's radically open and promising CPU architecture." https://twit.tv/shows/floss-weekly/episodes/690
[02:56]	britney	is your computer a raspi zero w?
[02:56]	earthling	no, it is a rock64
[02:56]	britney	oh nice
[02:56]	TR News	How to install WPS Office 2019 on Pop!_OS 22.04 - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=xgNmyGYmv2c | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/xgNmyGYmv2c
[02:57]	TR News	Google Migrated 100k PCs To Rolling Release Debian - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=IIRWetN7Zno | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/IIRWetN7Zno
[02:57]	earthling	i would prefer a j-core turtle board or similar, none available anywhere
[02:57]	TR News	LHS Episode #475: The Weekender XCIV | Linux in the Ham Shack https://lhspodcast.info/2022/07/lhs-episode-475-the-weekender-xciv-2/ Source: lhspodcast | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lhspodcast.info/2022/07/lhs-episode-475-the-weekender-xciv-2/
[02:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.48 k/sec., IPFS upstream 23.21 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[02:59]	britney	you had dark mode before dark mode became cool
[02:59]	MinceR	everyone had it
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[03:00]	MinceR	remember VT100-s? :>
[03:00]	britney	im not that old
[03:01]	britney	im not over 40 yet
[03:01]	earthling	vector graphics support inside terminal... it existed, long time ago
[03:02]	earthling	considering this, templeos is rather capable, with it's embedded vector graphics, animated even
[03:02]	britney	Temple OS was made by a lunatic though
[03:02]	earthling	there isn't any other terminal which could do this, i don't know any
[03:02]	earthling	animated vector graphics on the command line
[03:03]	britney	I wonder if you could enjoy https://www.vitanuova.com/inferno/
[03:03]	britney	its what used to be plan9
[03:03]	earthling	read about it, didn't follow the track
[03:05]	earthling	often, it is supported hardware, or lack thereof
[03:05]	earthling	same with minix, beagleboard and similar
[03:05]	earthling	there's is always something wrong with it
[03:05]	IPFS	 Gemini requests since start of month:   211903 total Total number of pages in capsule: 41774      Active: active (running) since Fri 2022-05-27 10:17:06 BST; 1 months 24 days ago
[03:06]	britney	i wouldn't try to use one of those systems as my desktop
[03:06]	earthling	in the end, if and once i depart from linux, which i will, chances are i remain 100% offline, no internet, and gigatron or z80 to hack with
[03:06]	IPFS	 IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated.  TotalIn: 9.6 MB    TotalOut: 1.9 MB
[03:07]	earthling	i mean, there isn't any web browser remaining anymore, either opensource or free or not, which i would accept
[03:07]	TR News	Waterfox is covertly owned by a surveillance company; better not to install it https://unixcop.com/how-to-install-waterfox-browser-on-ubuntu-20-04-22-04-lts/
[03:07]	IPFS	 New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled.
[03:08]	earthling	so, situation is this: no online banking, no online job placement, no online shops
[03:08]	earthling	it's all wrecked
[03:09]	MinceR	TempleOS is not capable of protecting itself from bugs in applications
[03:09]	IPFS	QmQpoFyQcBb3KsKSZ3VzsMZsMmgcTqXq1zThATBh2bp3Yp
[03:09]	IPFS	 New daily bulletin has just been added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with the CID above.
[03:11]	TR News	GNU
[03:11]	TR News	It's proprietary, it's spyware, it's controlled by Microsoft, which attacks GNU/Linux https://www.makeuseof.com/how-to-install-visual-studio-code-ubuntu/
[03:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	earthling: the browser situation is bad
[03:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	for ecommrce only a few are accepted
[03:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	and they're based on the same 2 or maybe 3 models
[03:13]	TR News	Microsoft propagandist Davey Winder... beware Chrome... but never mind back doors in Windows https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveywinder/2022/07/20/google-sees-double-as-chrome-security-update-2-arrives-for-windows-mac--linux/
[03:14]	britney	schestowitz[TR2], hes running an all text desktop
[03:14]	TR News	Why would Sean Michael Kerner help the listening devices agenda? THESE DEVICES SHOULD CEASE TO EXIST. https://venturebeat.com/2022/07/20/amazon-extends-alexa-to-enable-ambient-intelligence/
[03:15]	TR News	Audiocasts/Shows/Videos: Linux in the Ham Shack, FLOSS Weekly, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167470
[03:15]	earthling	yaft offers a pixel buffer, sixel support, and extended unicode glyph support
[03:15]	earthling	and i kept libsdl1+fbcon, for some other things
[03:16]	TR News	1 Billion Flux Downloads Show GitOps Gaining Ground - Container Journal https://containerjournal.com/features/1-billion-flux-downloads-show-gitops-gaining-ground/ Source: containerjournal | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//containerjournal.com/features/1-billion-flux-downloads-show-gitops-gaining-ground/
[03:16]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167471
[03:16]	britney	earthling, can you watch video files?
[03:17]	TR News	I dont know who uses my code | daniel.haxx.se https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/07/21/i-dont-know-who-uses-my-code/ Source: daniel | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/07/21/i-dont-know-who-uses-my-code/
[03:17]	TR News	lockdown: Fix kexec lockdown bypass with ima policy https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=543ce63b664e2c2f9533d089a4664b559c3e6b5b
[03:18]	earthling	britney: of cause
[03:18]	britney	I have my laptop connected to a TV and I pretty much have VLC playing something whenever I'm awake
[03:19]	earthling	mplayer-1.4 with libsdl1+fbcon... it's ok
[03:19]	britney	thats cool
[03:19]	earthling	and i got some cheapo hdmi grabber to grab hdmi
[03:19]	britney	its pretty admirable that you can live your life in text based terminals but i could never do it
[03:20]	earthling	well, web browsers are wrecked anyway, and some other software i would have wanted is gone too
[03:20]	earthling	such as GIMP for example
[03:20]	TR News	unintentional concurrency -- wingolog https://wingolog.org/archives/2022/07/20/unintentional-concurrency Source: wingolog | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//wingolog.org/archives/2022/07/20/unintentional-concurrency
[03:20]	britney	here i am looking at my system usage and my gnome desktop + apps are using 4.8GB ram
[03:21]	earthling	currently it is 220MiB RAM total; with some proxies running, irc, NFS server, w3m browser
[03:22]	britney	thats pretty sweet
[03:22]	TR News	Playing record covers instead of the vinyl | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/07/21/playing-record-covers-instead-of-the-vinyl/ Source: Arduino | Hardware | OpenHardware | Hacking | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/07/21/playing-record-covers-instead-of-the-vinyl/
[03:22]	earthling	yes, best part is this: i compile all software from source, on a rock64, with 5watts power draw
[03:22]	britney	I remember the days where you could have win2k run on 64MB ram
[03:23]	earthling	the entire distro requires ~12hours to compile, ~700packages with the typical httpd/smtpd/proxy/router whatever fun
[03:23]	britney	gentoo?
[03:23]	TR News	Build your own multi-function digital measuring wheel with Arduino | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/07/20/build-your-own-multi-function-digital-measuring-wheel-with-arduino/ Source: Arduino | Hardware | OpenHardware | Hacking | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/07/20/build-your-own-multi-function-digital-measuring-wheel-with-arduino/
[03:23]	earthling	yes
[03:23]	britney	im surprised you're using so much ram too
[03:24]	TR News	A 3D-printed CNC mill made from scratch | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/07/20/a-3d-printed-cnc-mill-made-from-scratch/ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/07/20/a-3d-printed-cnc-mill-made-from-scratch/
[03:24]	earthling	ram usage when starting dmux is 32MiB total, that's ok
[03:24]	earthling	and a modern linux kernel simply requires a little more
[03:24]	earthling	kernel image size is 11MiB total, and i cannot shrink this down further
[03:25]	earthling	it's good enough, for some tinier embedded systems
[03:25]	TR News	More publicity for EasyOS https://bkhome.org/news/202207/more-publicity-for-easyos.html Source: bkhome | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//bkhome.org/news/202207/more-publicity-for-easyos.html
[03:26]	TR News	Proposed 32-bit EasyOS shelved https://bkhome.org/news/202207/proposed-32-bit-easyos-shelved.html Source: bkhome | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//bkhome.org/news/202207/proposed-32-bit-easyos-shelved.html
[03:27]	britney	i wish firefox wasn't so bloated
[03:27]	TR News	"I hit the ground running and I haven't stopped since. Got a deadline for a new computer lab rollout that I need to finish -- I think it's going fine, actually, it's just a lot -- and with training in between April and now, everything has been A Lot. Also, Gemini's port being blocked at work hasn't helped at all." gemini://officialdonut.smol.pub/1658337466
[03:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	<britney> i wish firefox wasn't so bloated
[03:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	thew www is bloatyed
[03:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	and requires bloated brioserss
[03:27]	britney	im using brave too, its even more bloated than firefox
[03:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	*browsers
[03:27]	bagira	ohhhh they didn't get the case thrown out they SETTLED
[03:27]	britney	oh touche
[03:28]	britney	lynx isn't too bloated but then again it doesn't support javascript
[03:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	brave is chromium with "stuff" on top
[03:28]	earthling	lynx got something better: gopher ;)
[03:28]	britney	gopher is alright
[03:28]	britney	gemini is aiming to replace it
[03:29]	britney	lagrange is a nice gemini browser, its my fav so far
[03:29]	TR News	It's Time to Say Goodbye to These Obsolete Python Libraries | Martin Heinz | Personal Website & Blog https://martinheinz.dev/blog/77 Source: martinheinz | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//martinheinz.dev/blog/77
[03:29]	earthling	i wouldn't say it is a design flaw, nonetheless it is a problem with gemini: SSL/TLS
[03:30]	britney	because it supports SSL/TLS or because it doesn't?
[03:30]	earthling	because SSL/TLS are awful
[03:30]	TR News	"Between 2022-07-14 and 2022-07-20 there were 23 New Steam games released with Native Linux clients. For reference, during the same time, there were 251 games released for Windows on Steam, so the Linux versions represent about 9.2 % of total released titles. Heres a quick pick of the most interesting ones..." https://boilingsteam.com/new-steam-games-native-linux-2022-07-20/
[03:31]	britney	gotta encrypt the communication from the server to the browser
[03:31]	earthling	they're breaking the api regularly... 
[03:31]	earthling	and call it "standard"
[03:31]	britney	i like lynx but i also like graphics
[03:32]	britney	how are you supposed to look at memes with lynx :(
[03:32]	TR News	Get started making your own brush presets! | Krita https://krita.org/en/item/get-started-making-your-own-brush-presets/ Source: krita | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//krita.org/en/item/get-started-making-your-own-brush-presets/
[03:33]	TR News	Second Krita Animation by Twinimation Studios | Krita https://krita.org/en/item/second-krita-animation-by-twinimation-studios/ Source: krita | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//krita.org/en/item/second-krita-animation-by-twinimation-studios/
[03:33]	earthling	w3m and links can render images just fine
[03:33]	earthling	links requires linux-fbcon for this
[03:34]	earthling	and w3m got both: sixel support and linux-fbcon
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[03:34]	TR News	Continued cyber activity in Eastern Europe observed by TAG https://blog.google/threat-analysis-group/continued-cyber-activity-in-eastern-europe-observed-by-tag/ Gulag founder born in Moscow...
[03:36]	TR News	Mabox 22.07 is out https://blog.maboxlinux.org/
[03:37]	TR News	Complete Guide? Hardly. https://linuxsecurity.com/features/complete-guide-to-vulnerability-basics
[03:37]	TR News	Weekly Virtual Machines, with Build Scripts | Kali Linux Blog https://www.kali.org/blog/kali-vm-builder-weekly/ Source: kali | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.kali.org/blog/kali-vm-builder-weekly/
[03:38]	TR News	TSMC: Life Is A Beach, And Then You Make Dies https://www.nextplatform.com/2022/07/20/tsmc-life-is-a-beach-and-then-you-make-dies/ Source: nextplatform | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.nextplatform.com/2022/07/20/tsmc-life-is-a-beach-and-then-you-make-dies/
[03:39]	TR News	Sorting Subroutine Results | Tom Wyant [blogs.perl.org] http://blogs.perl.org/users/tom_wyant/2022/07/sorting-subroutine-results.html Source: perl | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?http%3A//blogs.perl.org/users/tom_wyant/2022/07/sorting-subroutine-results.html
[03:43]	MinceR	21 042817 < schestowitz[TR2]> brave is chromium with "stuff" on top
[03:43]	MinceR	"stuff" includes a faster adblocker that gets around google's meddling :>
[03:43]	TR News	"bringing Linux applications to the forefront of the Web3 revolution." LOL "Web3 revolution" https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2022/07/20/2482367/0/en/Web-Development-and-Game-Companies-Are-Booking-Groundbreaking-Results-On-Cartesi-s-Blockchain-OS.html
[03:44]	TR News	Cloooown computing? http://www.desertnews.com/news/article_b6073bbe-086a-11ed-9e02-cfaf48431834.html
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[03:52]	TR News	Rocky Linux 9.0 rocks new build system - ARN http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167237#comment-34398
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[03:54]	TR News	Arduino Projects: CNC, Measurements, and CDs Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167472
[03:54]	britney	MinceR, brave is also kind of a kitchen sink cuz it also has crypto wallets and other things
[03:54]	MinceR	yeah
[03:55]	TR News	Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167473
[03:55]	MinceR	and who knows how much of google's spyware they've really managed to remove
[03:55]	MinceR	the state of the web is horrifying
[03:55]	britney	MinceR, is firefox safe to use?
[03:55]	MinceR	i wouldn't trust it
[03:56]	MinceR	especially since mozilla tried to use failfox to force poetteringaudio on users
[03:57]	TR News	We'll charge you lots of extra money for flag and glitter https://puri.sm/posts/anti-interdiction-on-the-librem-5-usa/
[03:58]	britney	I miss newsgroups
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[03:58]	TechrightsBot-tr	Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77
[03:58]	britney	https://go.dev/dl/go1.18.4.linux-amd64.tar.gz
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[03:58]	britney	LOL
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[03:59]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167474
[03:59]	britney	so i really did crash it
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[03:59]	britney	https://go.dev/dl/go1.18.4.linux-amd64.tar.gz
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[03:59]	britney	https://go.dev/dl/go1.18.4.linux-amd64.tar.gz
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[03:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	be a grown up..
[03:59]	britney	lol
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● Jul 21
[04:00]	britney	ill stop crashing it
[04:00]	TR News	Community Work Group Discusses Next Edition - openSUSE News https://news.opensuse.org/2022/07/20/community-wg-discusses-next-edition/ Source: news | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//news.opensuse.org/2022/07/20/community-wg-discusses-next-edition/
[04:00]	TR Bot	 Community Work Group Discusses Next Edition - openSUSE News
[04:00]	britney	weird that linking a tar.gz makes it explode
[04:00]	earthling	the browser itself IS the malware/spyware; there is only one solution to this, removal of moz/webkit/chrome
[04:00]	earthling	not some ridiculous addon
[04:01]	britney	earthling, you would probably like my website, I don't use javascript at all
[04:01]	AdmFubar	https://www.techdirt.com/2022/07/20/netflixs-password-sharing-crackdown-has-it-sounding-more-and-more-like-comcast/
[04:01]	TR Bot	Password Sharing Crackdown Has It Sounding More And More Like Comcast | Techdirt
[04:01]	TR News	Embedded Linux Conference Europe 2022: four talks from Bootlin - Bootlin's blog https://bootlin.com/blog/embedded-linux-conference-europe-2022-four-talks-from-bootlin/ Source: bootlin | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//bootlin.com/blog/embedded-linux-conference-europe-2022-four-talks-from-bootlin/
[04:01]	TR Bot	Linux Conference Europe 2022: four talks from Bootlin - Bootlin's blog
[04:05]	TR News	Native Python support for units? [LWN] https://lwn.net/Articles/900739/ Source: LWN | Kernel | Linux | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lwn.net/Articles/900739/
[04:05]	TR Bot	Python support for units? [LWN.net]
[04:08]	TR News	"Critical" projects and volunteer maintainers [LWN] https://lwn.net/Articles/900953/ Source: LWN | Kernel | Linux | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lwn.net/Articles/900953/
[04:08]	TR Bot	projects and volunteer maintainers [LWN.net]
[04:09]	TR News	New Krita Videos Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167475
[04:09]	TR Bot	 New Krita Videos | Tux Machines
[04:10]	TR News	Distributors entering Flatpakland Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167476
[04:10]	TR Bot	 Distributors entering Flatpakland | Tux Machines
[04:11]	earthling	britney: the icke/rense satirical fringe?
[04:13]	earthling	don't know, can't grasp this
[04:13]	britney	earthling, https://cerberusinvestigations.neocities.org/
[04:13]	TR Bot	 Cerberus Investigations
[04:13]	earthling	it's alot of double-think and double-talk with this
[04:14]	MinceR	21 050040 < britney> weird that linking a tar.gz makes it explode
[04:14]	MinceR	it probably downloads the whole thing
[04:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's the file size
[04:14]	MinceR	or tries to, and runs out of memory or something
[04:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	it limits the buffer
[04:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	and that cannot fit it
[04:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	*in
[04:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	and the program tgerminates itself
[04:15]	TR News	#Techrights Bulletin for Wednesday, July 20, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
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[04:15]	TR News	#Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
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[04:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	bnchs noticed the same
[04:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	better approach is,
[04:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	check file size, before trying to retreive the urlk
[04:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	*retrieve the url
[04:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	I still remember some trolls trying to crash it like this in 2009
[04:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	it ran here that long ago
[04:17]	britney	lets party like its 2009
[04:17]	TR News	EasyOS Plans and Publicity Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167477
[04:17]	TR Bot	 EasyOS Plans and Publicity | Tux Machines
[04:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	2009 was no party..
[04:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	but at least food price didn't go through the roof
[04:20]	britney	schestowitz[TR2], you could always eat crickets
[04:20]	britney	nom nom nom...
[04:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://news.opensuse.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/opensuse-alp-concept-unofficial.pngnomnom freom Cut The Rope
[04:21]	TR Bot	( status 500 @ https://news.opensuse.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/opensuse-alp-concept-unofficial.pngnomnom )
[04:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	nomnom from Cut The Rope
[04:22]	britney	what the hell is opensuse alp supposed to be
[04:22]	schestowitz[TR2]	tubmleweed
[04:22]	britney	aha
[04:23]	britney	i use arch linux instead of fedora now
[04:24]	TR News	openSUSE: Community Work Group Discusses Next Editions Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167478
[04:24]	TR Bot	 openSUSE: Community Work Group Discusses Next Editions | Tux Machines
[04:26]	britney	i didn't switch because i had problems with fedora or anything, i switched for the memes
[04:27]	TR News	Kernel: sambaXP, Control-flow integrity (CFI), Embedded Linux Conference Europe 2022 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167479
[04:27]	TR Bot	 Kernel: sambaXP, Control-flow integrity (CFI), Embedded Linux Conference Europe 2022 | Tux Machines
[04:44]	TR News	Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167480
[04:44]	TR Bot	 Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
[04:44]	TR News	Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167481
[04:44]	TR Bot	 today's leftovers | Tux Machines
[04:47]	TR News	Links 21/07/2022: EasyOS Plans and Arduino Projects | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/20/easyos-plans/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/20/easyos-plans/
[04:47]	TR Bot	 Links 21/07/2022: EasyOS Plans and Arduino Projects | Techrights
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● Jul 21
[05:05]	britney	here is an idea: a techrights nntp server
[05:05]	britney	nntp is fun
[05:11]	bagira	how about a redesign of the site theme
[05:12]	bagira	its a little jumbled at the moment
[05:16]	AdmFubar	https://www.theregister.com/2022/07/21/teams_outage/
[05:16]	TR Bot	 Microsoft blames storage error for Teams outage The Register
[05:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	:D
[05:16]	britney	NNTP server and then turn the website into an NNTP reader
[05:18]	DaemonFC	<MinceR> especially since mozilla tried to use failfox to force poetteringaudio on users
[05:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	the clown
[05:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	GUARANTEED uptme
[05:18]	DaemonFC	Now they're on to Pipewire.
[05:18]	britney	pipewire is cool
[05:18]	DaemonFC	It supports Pulseaudio's API though.
[05:18]	DaemonFC	There's too many applications out there not to.
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[05:25]	TR News	The EPO Bubble Part IX A Well-Remunerated Faustian Pact? | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/20/razik-menidjel-faustian-pact/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/20/razik-menidjel-faustian-pact/
[05:25]	TR Bot	 The EPO Bubble Part IX A Well-Remunerated Faustian Pact? | Techrights
[05:27]	DaemonFC	Dear lord. A bag of romaine lettuce salad is $5 now, at Walmart. :/
[05:27]	DaemonFC	Well, there goes that up another 20%.
[05:27]	britney	lol
[05:28]	DaemonFC	It costs you as much to cook something as it does to just go to Golden Corral.
[05:28]	DaemonFC	They have an entire salad bar, and it's not bad.
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[05:38]	britney	whoa my mind is blown
[05:40]	britney	imagine your website is just a front end for an NNTP server
[05:40]	britney	that would be a great idea
[05:41]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2], Still reviewing SeaMonkey.
[05:41]	DaemonFC	My overall point is that it's aging badly, and a lot of this is not even really their fault.
[05:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	it works as before
[05:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	but the www is changing
[05:42]	DaemonFC	The Web is barreling forward with poorly designed "standards" that don't do anything you couldn't do before, but they do it in some other way that sabotages browsers that are just two years old.
[05:43]	britney	just two years old? thats like a decade in computer time
[05:44]	TR News	The Linux Foundation Does Not Understand What Open Source Means | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/20/linux-foundation-hypocrisy-and-openwashing/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/20/linux-foundation-hypocrisy-and-openwashing/
[05:44]	TR Bot	 The Linux Foundation Does Not Understand What Open Source Means | Techrights
[05:45]	DaemonFC	"One I found the IMAP and SMTP servers, and the non-standard ports that Microsoft uses, and the security protocols to use, I also had to create an App Password, which Microsoft says is for "obsolete" Microsoft products, like XBOX 360s and older versions of Office and so on. "
[05:46]	DaemonFC	"When I tried to simply use OAuth, it told me that I couldn't use it with a personal account and they only let you use it with a work or student account, however, GNOME Online Accounts and Thunderbird get to use OAuth. Do they have some sort of Microsoft deal?"
[05:47]	britney	Google Mail is just as bad
[05:47]	DaemonFC	"I haven't set up my GMail account yet. I don't know if I can do that or if it will even work very long if I can. Google is threatening to cut off anything that doesn't support their XOAuth2 in the near future. So far, I have K9 Mail on my phone set up to check that and my Outlook. (I wonder how long that will keep working. Bark Bark.)"
[05:49]	DaemonFC	Oh, I figured out the difference between SPAM and the Walmart brand.
[05:50]	britney	I was trying to use Gmail with XOAuth2 in Alpine Mail and it wanted me to visit a website to give it permission every time I opened alpine
[05:50]	DaemonFC	Walmart brand says pork and the SPAM says pork and ham. I noticed, I made two SPAM loaves tonight. (glazed and with cloves) One for dinner and one for Mandy to take to work tomorrow as a snack and share with his friend.
[05:50]	AdmFubar	spam! eeewwwww
[05:51]	DaemonFC	Just for the hell of it, I made the brand name for dinner and the cheap one for his lunch tomorrow. When I was scoring them, I noticed the Great Value kind of wanted to come apart on me a bit.
[05:51]	DaemonFC	They both taste fairly alike though when you finish cooking them.
[05:51]	DaemonFC	I don't see $1.66 worth of improvement on the side of SPAM (name brand) here.
[05:52]	DaemonFC	Other than a very slightly better consistency, it tastes pretty similar.
[05:52]	DaemonFC	<AdmFubar> spam! eeewwwww
[05:52]	DaemonFC	Maybe it's not for everyone.
[05:52]	DaemonFC	My great-grandmother cooked spam loaves sometimes.
[05:53]	DaemonFC	None of the kids wanted to eat one, mom said. So I decided I'd cook one and find out if it was good or not.
[05:53]	DaemonFC	I like it.
[05:54]	DaemonFC	In Fallout, the wasteland has cans of "Cram" that you can open and eat, 200 years after the bombs went off.
[05:55]	britney	lol
[05:56]	TR News	[Meme] Faustian Pact to Violate the European Patent Convention (EPC) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/20/meme-faustian-pact-to-violate-the-european-patent-convention-epc/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/20/meme-faustian-pact-to-violate-the-european-patent-convention-epc/
[05:56]	TR Bot	 [Meme] Faustian Pact to Violate the European Patent Convention (EPC) | Techrights
[05:57]	AdmFubar	spam, the twinkies of meat
[05:58]	britney	AdmFubar, twinkies are actually good tho
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● Jul 21
[06:00]	AdmFubar	hydrogenated oil....hhmmm hmm good
[06:01]	DaemonFC	"I opened Bing just to see what it would do, the entire browser crashes as soon as you load it. I went to see if Bing was one of the available search engines, and it's not. :)"
[06:01]	DaemonFC	<AdmFubar> spam, the twinkies of meat
[06:02]	DaemonFC	It's not really fair to say that.
[06:02]	DaemonFC	It's basically just a ground loaf of pork and ham.
[06:03]	DaemonFC	I think it's pretty tasty. You just have to cook it. Although it won't _hurt_ you if you ate it out of the can, it would have a weird texture. They cook them inside the can, but you're really meant to cook it again.
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[06:09]	AdmFubar	https://www.spam.com/varieties/spam-classic
[06:09]	TR Bot	Classic | SPAM Varieties
[06:09]	AdmFubar	https://www.hostesscakes.com/products/twinkies/classic/
[06:09]	TR Bot	 Classic
[06:09]	britney	https://www.eternal-september.org/
[06:09]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eternal-september.org
[06:09]	AdmFubar	click on the nutrition infor links.. and compare
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[06:15]	DaemonFC	I'm getting ChatZilla set up.
[06:19]	DaemonFC	Anyway, back to SPAM. Very popular in Hawaii. You can go too McDonalds there and get it.
[06:19]	britney	lol
[06:19]	TR News	Conspiracy of Silence: The Corporate Media Does Not Speak About Microsofts Chief Architect of GitHub Copilot | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/21/conspiracy-of-silence-for-microsoft/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/21/conspiracy-of-silence-for-microsoft/
[06:19]	TR Bot	 Conspiracy of Silence: The Corporate Media Does Not Speak About Microsofts Chief Architect of GitHub Copilot | Techrights
[06:20]	britney	ChatZilla is trash
[06:20]	TR News	Dell XPS 13 Plus Developer Edition Laptop Is Now Certified for Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167482
[06:20]	TR Bot	 Dell XPS 13 Plus Developer Edition Laptop Is Now Certified for Ubuntu 22.04 LTS | Tux Machines
[06:20]	DaemonFC	They have a breakfast of SPAM, Portuguese sausage,  white rice, and scrambled eggs.
[06:20]	DaemonFC	britneyChatZilla is trash
[06:21]	DaemonFC	It's not that bad.
[06:21]	DaemonFC	Although they have had to fix it several times.
[06:21]	DaemonFC	It was written a long time ago in an outdated form of JavaScript.
[06:21]	TR News	#HowTo Exclude Package Update from Apt-Upgrade Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167483
[06:21]	TR Bot	 How to Exclude Package Update from Apt-Upgrade | Tux Machines
[06:21]	DaemonFC	I suppose the reason it disappeared from SeaMonkey for years is they had to do a big rewrite to get it working again.
[06:22]	DaemonFC	I remember when it didn't matter much if you went years without updating your Web browser too much.
[06:22]	britney	kek
[06:22]	DaemonFC	Netscape 4's rendering engine never changed much for the life of the product 1997-2002.
[06:23]	DaemonFC	In 2002, you could still _mostly_ use it, although it was aging badly.
[06:23]	DaemonFC	But as to why you can't use Gecko 78 on some sites.
[06:23]	DaemonFC	There's no good reason for this.
[06:24]	DaemonFC	Most GNU/Linux distributions were chucking Netscape 4 in as the default browser, EVEN WHEN Mozilla Suite had been available for some time.
[06:24]	britney	you could still use lynx
[06:24]	DaemonFC	Netscape 4 was obsolete. It was slow, it was badly written. You changed the window size, it reloaded the damned page!
[06:24]	DaemonFC	And not out of the disk cache! It asked the server to send everything again!
[06:25]	DaemonFC	https://www.mashed.com/650241/the-mcdonalds-breakfast-item-you-can-only-get-in-hawaii/
[06:25]	TR Bot	 The McDonald's Breakfast Item You Can Only Get In Hawaii
[06:25]	britney	I remember Netscape 3.04 gold lasted for years too
[06:26]	TR News	Talking about my generation gemini://idiomdrottning.org/generations
[06:27]	TR News	Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167484
[06:27]	TR Bot	 Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
[06:27]	DaemonFC	At one point, I found the "Netscape 5" binary and loaded it on Windows.
[06:27]	DaemonFC	There was one build that leaked out. I don't have it anymore.
[06:27]	DaemonFC	It wasn't very stable and it was entirely missing support for SSL, so you couldn't use anything that required that.
[06:28]	DaemonFC	But it does confirm that they had been planning a stopgap release that was still based on the Netscape 4.x code with improvements.
[06:28]	britney	interesting
[06:28]	DaemonFC	Things fell into infighting because management pressured mozilla.org to "release something soon" on the open source front.
[06:29]	DaemonFC	And it was taking forever because it was a from the ground up rewrite.
[06:29]	britney	I remember how bad Netscape 6 was
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[06:30]	DaemonFC	Eventually, AOL told Netscape to release Netscape 6 immediately, and so they released it, based on a pre-beta quality branch of Mozilla Suite.
[06:30]	DaemonFC	I loaded it up and it was horrible.
[06:30]	DaemonFC	It crashed CONSTANTLY.
[06:30]	britney	it was slow as balls
[06:30]	DaemonFC	My usual thing by that point was to just download a nightly build for Windows and unpack it and set it to use the same profile as the last one every now and then.
[06:31]	DaemonFC	Of Mozilla.
[06:31]	britney	I think around that time I had started using the Opera browser
[06:31]	DaemonFC	Yeah, the browser situation at that time was so bad, I'm sure Opera was getting people to pay $40 for a license.
[06:31]	britney	lawl, i had a cracked version
[06:32]	DaemonFC	So did I.
[06:32]	TR News	This week we added a new git server for tuxmachines. The Techrights git server has almost 15k lines of code now. gemini://gemini.techrights.org/git/sloc.gmi
[06:32]	britney	being able to turn off images was pretty sweet
[06:32]	britney	being on dialup and all
[06:32]	DaemonFC	I had almost every browser there was, except Internet Explorer, which I had totally gutted from Windows 98.
[06:32]	DaemonFC	Shell update and all.
[06:32]	DaemonFC	I actually experimented with installing IE 1, 2, and 3 on Windows 98.
[06:33]	DaemonFC	Which was possible after you removed the IE that it came with.
[06:33]	britney	Did you know they made an IE5 for Windows 3.x?
[06:33]	TR News	Antnio Campinos et al propelled Razik Menidjel to a position of greater authority, but what were the strings attached to such a promotion? http://techrights.org/2022/07/20/razik-menidjel-faustian-pact/
[06:33]	TR Bot	 The EPO Bubble Part IX A Well-Remunerated Faustian Pact? | Techrights
[06:33]	DaemonFC	You could also install IE 4, 5, and 6 and it would act as if you were installing them on Windows 95.
[06:33]	TR News	Linux Foundation staff does not use Open Source, does not understand Open Source, and does not wish to adopt it; these people are just milking (or diluting) brands for a living http://techrights.org/2022/07/20/linux-foundation-hypocrisy-and-openwashing/
[06:33]	TR Bot	 The Linux Foundation Does Not Understand What Open Source Means | Techrights
[06:33]	TR News	The European Patent Convention (EPC) is constantly being violated by the EPOs f***ing president (in his own words) Antnio Campinos; why doesnt the European Commission step in to intervene? http://techrights.org/2022/07/20/meme-faustian-pact-to-violate-the-european-patent-convention-epc/
[06:33]	TR Bot	 [Meme] Faustian Pact to Violate the European Patent Convention (EPC) | Techrights
[06:34]	DaemonFC	There was some code in there that checked to see if IE was present with the Shell Update and if you were running Windows 98. Oddly, it didn't check by build number.
[06:34]	TR News	Later in our series (Microsoft GitHub Expos) well show how the mainstream or so-called tech media helped Microsoft cover up big scandals; just look how the media and MIT dealt with the Bill Gates-Jeffrey Epstein scandals they only pretend to care about women http://techrights.org/2022/07/21/conspiracy-of-silence-for-microsoft/
[06:34]	DaemonFC	It checked for a registry key that wasn't there if there was no IE, and assumed that it was Windows 95 if it wasn't.
[06:34]	TR Bot	 Conspiracy of Silence: The Corporate Media Does Not Speak About Microsofts Chief Architect of GitHub Copilot | Techrights
[06:34]	britney	DaemonFC, check this shit out: https://imgur.com/a/bchduUI
[06:34]	TR Bot	The magic of the Internet
[06:34]	britney	IE5 on Win 3.11
[06:35]	DaemonFC	So you could remove all of IE, remove the shell update and go back to the Windows 95 B Shell, then install IE 6, and it would add an entry to remove Internet Explorer from Add/Remove Programs, in Windows 98.
[06:35]	DaemonFC	:)
[06:35]	britney	I think there was opera for win 3.x too
[06:35]	britney	i think opera for 3.x was one of my first browsers
[06:35]	DaemonFC	I tried that, and then removing it. You reboot, and IE isn't there again.
[06:35]	DaemonFC	It deletes everything from IE, just as if you'd removed it from Windows 95.
[06:36]	DaemonFC	So pretty much the only difference between Windows 98 and Windows 95 is Windows 98 would be what would happen if you added IE and the Shell Update to Windows 95 and then Microsoft didn't add an uninstaller routine.
[06:36]	DaemonFC	Nothing more, nothing less.
[06:36]	DaemonFC	Bill Gates testified that the "integration runs so deep that Windows 98 won't work anymore if you tried to remove Internet Explorer....you'd have a broken operating system".
[06:37]	DaemonFC	I mean, there were some kernel improvements to Windows 98, but that's the only other difference.
[06:38]	DaemonFC	britneyIE5 on Win 3.11
[06:38]	DaemonFC	IE 5 on Windows 95 and 98 was actually a Win32s application.
[06:38]	DaemonFC	You could run it on Windows 3.11 with Win32s.
[06:38]	DaemonFC	It was only with IE 6 that that stopped working.
[06:39]	britney	aha
[06:39]	DaemonFC	Microsoft did that so they could share the binaries.
[06:39]	britney	16-bit mIRC still works too, as long as the irc server doesn't need SSL
[06:39]	DaemonFC	All IE 5 had to do was add Win32s to Windows 3.1 and then it ran, and it was the same binaries you had on Windows 9x.
[06:39]	DaemonFC	There were some changes though, iirc.
[06:40]	DaemonFC	The Windows 3.1 package didn't have some features that the platform didn't support.
[06:40]	britney	Microsoft used to have a BBS where you could download Win32s and other addons and patches
[06:40]	DaemonFC	But there were actually almost no code differences in IE for Windows 3, 9x, and UNIX.
[06:40]	DaemonFC	They ported some of Windows to UNIX to get the Windows code in IE for UNIX to run.
[06:41]	britney	lol
[06:41]	britney	Now there is Microsoft Edge for Linux
[06:41]	DaemonFC	If you look in the directories, they just pretty much took C:\Windows\System32 (or most of it) and turned them into .so files instead of .dll. Even the names are the same.
[06:41]	britney	You can get Edge, Powershell and Visual Studio Code for Linux
[06:41]	britney	SQL server too
[06:42]	DaemonFC	IE for UNIX isn't something many people used because it was almost impossible to keep it working.
[06:42]	DaemonFC	If you didn't have the right "patch level" of Solaris, it would either crash IE or bring down the entire operating system as soon as you launched IE.
[06:42]	DaemonFC	I don't know what the situation was for HP-UX.
[06:42]	DaemonFC	Probably just as bad.
[06:43]	DaemonFC	Then the porting company, MainWin, leaked about a third of the source code to Windows NT4/2000.
[06:43]	DaemonFC	They lost a laptop with Microsoft's porting kit on it from the IE for UNIX project.
[06:43]	DaemonFC	And it spilled out onto the Internet.
[06:44]	DaemonFC	So there's a lot of source code for Windows out there, at least earlier versions of it, floating around on the Internet.
[06:44]	DaemonFC	I think most of Windows XP leaked a couple of years ago.
[06:45]	britney	i vaguely remember that
[06:45]	DaemonFC	The funny part is that you get bugs that go all the way from Windows NT 3.1 to Windows 10 or 11, things like that.
[06:45]	DaemonFC	Tavis Ormandy found a very serious security problem in NTVDM, the 16-bit version.
[06:45]	DaemonFC	That doesn't affect Windows 11 though, and none of them do.
[06:46]	DaemonFC	Why? Microsoft ripped out all compatibility with Windows 3.1 and earlier and DOS from Windows 11. There's no 32-bit version.
[06:46]	DaemonFC	You can still run all kinds of Windows 3 software in Wine.
[06:46]	DaemonFC	I have some. I have the Microsoft Entertainment Packs with things like Chip's Challenge.
[06:47]	DaemonFC	It will still run Office 6.
[06:48]	DaemonFC	George R.R. Martin still uses WordStar, for DOS, and it's not even the latest version.
[06:48]	DaemonFC	I think someone set it up in DOSBox for him.
[06:49]	DaemonFC	He said he tried to sit down and use Microsoft Office within the past several years and it was so bad it was stopping him from getting anything done.
[06:49]	DaemonFC	So he went back and continued using WordStar.
[06:50]	DaemonFC	I remember trying to do my school assignment, and this fucking paperclip pops up and asks if I need any help.
[06:50]	DaemonFC	I ended up using StarOffice for a while.
[06:52]	DaemonFC	There were no good, fully featured, office programs, back then. There was basically just Star and Corel if you didn't want to use Microsoft's. I already knew I didn't want to use Corel.
[06:52]	britney	I liked WordPerfect
[06:52]	DaemonFC	Corel was an interesting company that had a GNU/Linux distribution that went ahead and worked. It had some oddities.
[06:53]	DaemonFC	They replaced the file manager from KDE with "Corel File Manager". I never did see why.
[06:53]	DaemonFC	Corel's was proprietary.
[06:54]	britney	WordPerfect 6.1 for Windows 3.x was amazing
[06:54]	DaemonFC	Yeah, but that was Corel at their heyday. 
[06:54]	DaemonFC	Later on it was just this bizarre office suite that cost a lot of money even though it had no Microsoft compatibility at all, and there was an activation server.
[06:55]	DaemonFC	In the early 2000s, I wrote an article sharply critical of Windows XP.
[06:56]	DaemonFC	It got quite a bit of traffic and I made some commission money on it. I don't think anything backed it up though when Epinions went under.
[06:56]	britney	I think 6.1 might have been Novell 
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[07:14]	DaemonFC	Well, this probably explains something
[07:15]	DaemonFC	Wikipedia says that SeaMonkey 2.5.13 is still based on Gecko 60.8.
[07:15]	DaemonFC	I know they are behind and just backport this and that.
[07:15]	DaemonFC	They are probably lying about being "Firefox 78" so that sites don't just cut them out entirely.
[07:19]	DaemonFC	That probably explains why "web applications" aren't running so well.
[07:19]	psydruid	the Windows XP that was only installed on family computers for playing games kept dying, so I got rid of it in favour of virtual machines
[07:19]	DaemonFC	They're 3 ESRs behind.
[07:19]	psydruid	Wine wasn't that good during those days
[07:20]	DaemonFC	https://www.spam.com/recipes/korean-barbeque-spamburger-hamburger
[07:20]	TR Bot	Barbeque SPAMBURGER Hamburger | SPAM Recipes
[07:21]	DaemonFC	Hey! I can make this! I have srirachi. I hoarded it as soon as I knew there was a shortage.
[07:21]	DaemonFC	I'm dumping that shit on my eggs. I don't give a fuck!
[07:21]	DaemonFC	*sriracha
[07:22]	DaemonFC	Well, even if you don't have sriracha and can't afford the stupid price people want now that the stores are out of it, you could probably get by using gochujang and mayo.
[07:22]	britney	sriracha is awesome
[07:23]	DaemonFC	I want to make liver and onions.
[07:23]	DaemonFC	Problem is that Mandy won't eat it.
[07:23]	DaemonFC	I developed a taste for it when I was in Indiana and I ordered it at the MCL when we were down there.
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[07:24]	DaemonFC	My parents didn't realize I'd ordered liver and onions for dinner and I took absolute delight in grossing them out by eating liver and onions and iced tea. I was about 8 or 9? They NEVER stopped me from ordering what I wanted off the menu anywhere after that.
[07:25]	DaemonFC	It's one of those things that most people can't get over an instant aversion to that's actually quite good.
[07:26]	DaemonFC	britney: Have you seen that old movie Defending Your Life?
[07:26]	britney	no
[07:26]	DaemonFC	He dies in a car wreck and goes to "Judgment City" where they put everyone on trial to see if they grew enough while they were on Earth to move on.
[07:28]	britney	thats interesting
[07:28]	DaemonFC	He's eating dinner with his lawyer and is curious as to what his lawyer is having. The lawyer says, "Oh you wouldn't like this!" so he gets more insistent on knowing what it is,so the lawyer says he can go ahead and try a bite. So he does, and he spits it out, and the lawyer says "A little bit like dog shit huh?".
[07:28]	DaemonFC	He says, "How can you eat that!?" and the lawyer says "This tastes very different to me than it does to you!". Explains that people who use more of their brain perceive reality very differently from others.
[07:29]	DaemonFC	I've noticed that there may actually be something to that!
[07:29]	DaemonFC	People with higher intelligence eating/drinking a larger variety of foods and beverages.
[07:30]	DaemonFC	People with lower intelligence sticking to things they know. Simple things.
[07:30]	britney	DaemonFC, would you ever try Crickets?
[07:30]	DaemonFC	The whole movie was based on the trial being about getting over your fears, right? So the fear of embracing something new to eat? Why not?
[07:31]	DaemonFC	I noticed my ex rarely deviated from pizza, fried chicken, and ravioli in a can./
[07:31]	DaemonFC	And when I tried to get him to have something else, he said "Oh I'm fine.". So we could never agree on what to eat even though I CAN cook, and we ate out a lot.
[07:32]	DaemonFC	britneyDaemonFC, would you ever try Crickets?
[07:32]	DaemonFC	Well, there's people who do eat crickets, and I suppose that they don't fall over dead. I hear that they're perfectly nutritious.
[07:32]	DaemonFC	Properly prepared? I'd probably at least try it. Out of politeness. If I was somewhere and they offered me one.
[07:33]	britney	there is something called cricket flour that you can make baked goods with
[07:33]	britney	cricket brownies
[07:33]	britney	cricket cookies
[07:33]	britney	etc
[07:33]	DaemonFC	I remember that scene in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.
[07:34]	DaemonFC	"This is more than these people have had to eat in weeks. You're insulting them and you're embarrassing me, now eat it!".
[07:34]	britney	DaemonFC, do you remember in Demolition Man when John Spartan had a rat burger? "Best damn burger I've had in years"
[07:34]	DaemonFC	Well, it was true.
[07:34]	DaemonFC	He had been frozen for over 20 years, right?
[07:34]	britney	yeah
[07:34]	DaemonFC	So the rat, being the only burger he'd had in years, was the best.
[07:35]	britney	I don't think thats what he meant though
[07:35]	DaemonFC	No, but it was also the truth.
[07:35]	britney	he was speaking of how low quality the beef burgers were
[07:35]	britney	lol
[07:36]	DaemonFC	Ehh, I'm not picky about my beef.
[07:36]	DaemonFC	The only thing I won't eat are those Flanders All Beef Patties.
[07:36]	DaemonFC	AKA Extra Value Beef Patties.
[07:36]	DaemonFC	Walmart sells them.
[07:36]	DaemonFC	I bought some going "These are cheap!" and I put them in my George Foreman grill.
[07:37]	DaemonFC	I get all the toppings and buns and the cheese, and I'm all excited for my burgers.
[07:37]	DaemonFC	And then this orange-ish reddish goo starts ooozing out of the Foreman.
[07:37]	DaemonFC	It was about then that a sickening stench, almost like rotting meat, hit me.
[07:38]	britney	:(
[07:38]	DaemonFC	After going into the bathroom to vomit, I put them back in the freezer, and then returned them to the store next time I went there.
[07:38]	DaemonFC	Oh those things are naaaaaaasty.
[07:38]	DaemonFC	I love liver and onions, if it's a high quality beef liver.
[07:39]	DaemonFC	The "beef patties" said they had heart, liver, lungs, and kidneys.
[07:39]	DaemonFC	I was like "Oh my, oh no, no.".
[07:39]	DaemonFC	They pressed dog food leftovers into patties and sell it to rednecks.
[07:45]	britney	lol
[07:46]	britney	that sounds terribad 
[07:47]	DaemonFC	brb
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[07:49]	DaemonFC	It seems SeaMonkey doesn't get along with Adwaita-Dark.
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[07:55]	britney	I don't like how legacy apps don't work so good with adwaita-dark
[07:57]	matey	/me considers all gnome to be legacy
[07:57]	matey	a legacy of sabotage and user abuse
[07:58]	matey	not to mention hypocrisy and narcissism
[07:58]	matey	the problem isnt the "legacy" apps
[07:58]	matey	its adwaita-dark, adwaita altogether, and the makers of adwaita
[07:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.58 k/sec., IPFS upstream 20.78 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[07:59]	matey	also their parents, for spawning them (though if all else works out, perhaps they can be forgiven)
[07:59]	britney	i want dark mode for all my apps
[07:59]	matey	thats a reasonable thing to want
[07:59]	matey	users used to have more control of their software
● Jul 21
[08:00]	matey	now theyre told to suck an egg and like it
[08:00]	matey	because everything is open source, and open source has zero fucks to give
[08:00]	matey	in fact if it had any fucks, it would only sell them to microsoft 
[08:01]	britney	look how dumb pan looks: https://imgur.com/a/R6D9ECC
[08:01]	TR Bot	The magic of the Internet
[08:02]	matey	thats because gnome 3 is a worthless bloated shit
[08:02]	matey	February 23, 2022 Pan 0.150 "Moucherotte"
[08:02]	matey	Gtk3 is now default build, Gtk2 is deprecated
[08:02]	matey	voila
[08:02]	matey	gtk2: software does what you want
[08:02]	matey	gtk3: you are your softwares bitch
[08:03]	matey	gtk4: one ring to bind them all
[08:03]	matey	gtk5: gtkde-shim
[08:04]	matey	you cant expect them to make non-shitty software AND sabotage the entire movement on behalf of corporations
[08:04]	matey	theyre busy, file a fuck report
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[08:04]	matey	bug report, see if they give a bug
[08:05]	britney	you're saying gnome is the way it is because of corporations?
[08:05]	matey	im saying gnome has been sabotage since day 1
[08:05]	DaemonFC	SeaMonkey uses GTK3.
[08:05]	matey	it helped ruin debian, it helped destroy the fsf, and it laughs at the users it makes miserable
[08:05]	britney	What should I be using instead of Gnome?
[08:06]	TR News	CLownflare is an ill-spirited bouncer for sites. A lot of sites are being malicious, discriminatory and uninviting WITHOUT MEANING to and WITHOUT REALISING it.
[08:06]	matey	at this rate, probably the command line. but its had a dark mode for 70 years.
[08:06]	britney	LOL
[08:06]	matey	(rarely available on paper)
[08:06]	matey	the truth is that most software has been fucked 
[08:07]	matey	so while im not serious about the command line
[08:07]	matey	its probably the only real fix
[08:08]	matey	in soviet russia, software freedom controls users.
[08:08]	britney	https://www.enlightenment.org/
[08:08]	TR Bot	 Enlightenment Main
[08:09]	matey	"has experimental Wayland support"
[08:09]	matey	i dont give a shit about wayland, but some might
[08:10]	matey	(i dont give a shit about them either, but they may not favour enlightenment if its wayland support isnt up to par)
[08:10]	matey	i wont use it because github
[08:10]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167485
[08:10]	matey	of course if youre trying to avoid github, your choices are probably... dwm
[08:10]	bagira	welp.  there's the appelbaum connection.  it's a strong one, too.
[08:10]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[08:11]	matey	hi person i talked to recently 
[08:11]	bagira	yes this is a person
[08:11]	matey	connection to whom
[08:12]	matey	or what
[08:12]	britney	lol so you won't run software if they have a github repo?
[08:12]	matey	not its impossible to avoid
[08:12]	matey	but i try to avoid software thats developed on github
[08:13]	matey	mirrors idc
[08:13]	britney	enlightenment uses self hosted gitea
[08:13]	britney	https://git.enlightenment.org/
[08:13]	TR Bot	 Enlightenment GIT
[08:13]	matey	the fact that its impossible to avoid, and that microsoft controls it, really makes a joke out of people that pretend that microsoft has no leverage / assets it can do damage with
[08:13]	matey	yeah englightment has their own git, which is cool
[08:14]	matey	and imo not supporting wayland fully (or only experimentally) is a feature
[08:14]	britney	I remember back in the day, like late 90s, when enlightenment was one of the best desktops
[08:16]	matey	it was very nice while others were still... like they were
[08:17]	matey	i never used it though
[08:17]	matey	it was too weird
[08:17]	matey	or at least seemed to be
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[08:18]	TR News	"Hi Roy As a special offer to TechRights, I can give a sneak preview of Dells new lineup of Linux-based Precision workstations for developers." http://techrights.org/2020/05/09/oem-gnu-linux-era/
[08:18]	TR Bot	 Free/Libre Software is Greener Pastures for Dell | Techrights
[08:18]	britney	my first distro was Redhat 5.2 which came with fvwm95
[08:18]	bagira	britney: can't share it yet.  garrett was closer to the appelbaum thing than he was letting on the other day.  im working on it.
[08:18]	matey	i think i bought red hat 6
[08:19]	matey	but on my hardware it did no good
[08:19]	matey	so i installed mandrake
[08:19]	matey	which worked but did me no good for other reasons
[08:19]	matey	garrett was closer to the appelbaum thing than he was letting on the other day.   <- this isnt news
[08:19]	matey	i believe hes rather open about it
[08:20]	britney	i liked appelbaum, he has some good videos on youtube
[08:20]	matey	but its possible at least youre referring to something differernt
[08:20]	bagira	matey: link please
[08:20]	matey	its not a link, he talked about it here
[08:20]	matey	if its what i think youre referring to 
[08:20]	matey	and i couldnt guess what day-- now and then
[08:20]	matey	probably again if you ask
[08:20]	TR News	Dell laptops don't get much media coverage because they're good; that's just Dell throwing its "PR muscle" around... http://techrights.org/2020/05/09/oem-gnu-linux-era/ "Corrupt Media" as I call it...
[08:21]	matey	let me guess... is the link corporate in nature?
[08:21]	matey	this one was not
[08:21]	matey	so if yours is, that would verify its different
[08:21]	bagira	i have so little time these days due to a problem client that its pretty much sleep, work, eat, bathroom, 5 minutes of irc, repeat, and kind of all at the same time
[08:21]	TR News	Dell basically prepared (with embargo) about a dozen "news" sites to do puff pieces about "Ubuntu" laptop... all at the same time
[08:22]	matey	at least if you repeat the 5 minutes you get more time
[08:22]	bagira	matey: i haven't seen any corporate links yet, no, but i also haven't built up data for that view
[08:23]	bagira	right now im just soaking up content and making notes to get as many details as possible
[08:23]	matey	one thing i think hes right about is that no one is going to "get" him for this
[08:24]	TR News	13 years ago: Why is Dell Sticking with Ballnux After Joining Novell/Microsoft Patent Deal? https://techrights.org/2009/02/14/dell-boots-linux-tax/ more in http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Dell
[08:24]	TR Bot	 Why is Dell Sticking with Ballnux After Joining Novell/Microsoft Patent Deal? | Techrights
[08:24]	TR Bot	 Dell - Techrights
[08:24]	matey	theres a long list of people who dont care what his involvement is
[08:24]	bagira	matey: well sure, that isn't the goal
[08:24]	matey	and theyre the ones he pursues for employment, friendship, etc
[08:24]	TR News	IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, July 20, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/21/irc-log-200722/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/21/irc-log-200722/
[08:24]	matey	perhaps someday his karma will catch up but he probably wont ever notice
[08:24]	TR Bot	 IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, July 20, 2022 | Techrights
[08:25]	matey	most of his suffering is probably self-inflicted
[08:25]	matey	and will remain that way
[08:25]	bagira	it will probably become more clear where im going with this effort eventually
[08:25]	matey	yeah no worries, my interest is mostly academic
[08:25]	TR News	Using another CSS gemini://notat.smol.pub/1658381149 but GitHub is NOT Git. It's Microsoft's ATTACK on Git.
[08:26]	matey	for free software to rebuild, it needs to know its history
[08:26]	matey	this is an important part of its history
[08:26]	matey	treachery is historical too (very in fact)
[08:26]	matey	and there is a lot of treachery
[08:26]	matey	debian ranked the highest in signatures
[08:26]	matey	roy tried to say it was gnome FOUNDATION, not gnome itself
[08:26]	matey	but gnome outnumbers gnome foundation
[08:26]	matey	so at least its both.
[08:26]	TR News	Four short-term wishes for Fedi gemini://idiomdrottning.org/fedi-wishlist
[08:27]	matey	red hat is way up there, which i said in 2020 if not earlier
[08:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	some gnome devs dissent against the foundation
[08:27]	matey	then i kept getting quoted for that (which is fine but its out of date)
[08:27]	matey	<schestowitz[TR2]> some gnome devs dissent against the foundation <- irrelevant
[08:27]	matey	gnome is a dumpster fire with aids
[08:27]	matey	some of the developers may not be horrible people
[08:28]	bagira	im sure most of them are horrible people though
[08:28]	matey	i think at least one signed the support letter, so good on them
[08:28]	matey	im sure most of them are horrible people though <- you would almost have to be 
[08:28]	bagira	you can't manage a product like that without a horrible culture 
[08:28]	matey	a good person would feel guilty about working on gnome eventually
[08:28]	matey	yeah that too
[08:29]	bagira	debian leadership is not far away
[08:29]	bagira	neil mcgovern comes to mind
[08:29]	matey	108 debian signatures by my count
[08:29]	matey	a gnome contributor counted more
[08:29]	matey	neil mcgovern had already signed in 2018
[08:30]	matey	before there was a letter
[08:30]	bagira	im like 95% in belief that molly de blanc was neil mcgovern's patsy for that campaign
[08:30]	TR News	This portal seems to have been abandoned. Borisnaro left us to die with COVID-19 (1000+ deaths a week now) https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/weekly-all-cause-mortality-surveillance-2021-to-2022
[08:30]	TR Bot	all-cause mortality surveillance: 2021 to 2022 - GOV.UK
[08:30]	matey	i think theres something like consensus on that
[08:30]	matey	maybe its speculation. or maybe the sky is blue (but doesnt code)
[08:30]	TR News	"Deaths with COVID-19 on the death certificate registered in the week ending 08 July 2022 are not available for Northern Ireland. The UK total number includes England, Scotland and Wales only." https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/whats-new/record/0be68954-2eea-4cbc-a136-33d8020c98c3
[08:30]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/whats-new/record/0be68954-2eea-4cbc-a136-33d8020c98c3 )
[08:30]	matey	they say the sky is blue, but perhaps it changed since i looked
[08:31]	matey	i bet twitter knows 
[08:31]	bagira	kind of hard to investigate that group though
[08:32]	bagira	those circles of debian are very hard to get near and if you ask any questions they blacklist fast.  hasn't happened to me yet but ive seen it alot
[08:32]	matey	debian isnt coming back
[08:32]	TR News	It has now been OVER 2 MONTHS (last update May 19) since we last had figures for UK-wide COVID-19 deaths by date. Borisnario does not want people to know how bad it really became. https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths
[08:32]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths )
[08:32]	matey	its basically gnome os at this point
[08:33]	bagira	its degrading too, the new gtk dropped glade support iirc
[08:33]	bagira	aka: no designer
[08:33]	matey	the number of gtk4 apps im willing to install is practically none
[08:33]	bagira	you mean gtk5 right lol
[08:33]	matey	i only use gtk3 apps under protest
[08:34]	matey	wow, did they skip gtk4 already?
[08:34]	bagira	jeez man what are you running, slackware?
[08:34]	matey	openbsd
[08:34]	matey	so close enough
[08:34]	bagira	oh lol
[08:34]	bagira	yeah pretty much
[08:34]	matey	theres a guy here who develops a pretty elaborate gtk4 application
[08:35]	matey	but it uses gtk4, so... no
[08:35]	matey	i dont blame him
[08:35]	matey	gtk4 is just something i never want to use. and ill get as close to that as i possibly can
[08:35]	bagira	i apologize, im old and was thinking of kde5 not gtk5, they're still on 4
[08:35]	matey	oh ok
[08:36]	matey	no worries, that makes more sense
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[08:36]	matey	i thought gtk4 should have a chance to rub users noses in it
[08:36]	matey	before they go deprecating it too
[08:36]	DaemonFC	Hmm, Walmart employee discount works on Low Sodium V8, but not regular V8.
[08:36]		*bagira slowly transforms into a boomer
[08:36]	DaemonFC	Low Sodium it is then.
[08:37]	bagira	sodium is for rich people
[08:37]	bagira	know your place
[08:37]	matey	lol
[08:38]	britney	slowly turns into a boomer?
[08:38]	matey	EFL powers Samsung Galaxy Watch smartwatches and is behind Samsung Smart Televisions <- i guess this technically isnt enlightnments fault
[08:42]	britney	you know what sucks about irc? it doesn't use 1000mb of ram like discord
[08:43]	bnchs	you know what sucks about irc? it doesn't ask for your phone number like discord
[08:43]	bagira	in all fairness discord isn't a stinking cesspool as a tradeoff
[08:43]	bagira	like
[08:43]	bagira	if you just roam around the irc world
[08:44]	bagira	you're statistically gauranteed to be the ball in a pinball game, getting knocked around by giant dick flippers
[08:44]	matey	thats pretty much what its like here, except youre given pretty much unlimited quarters
[08:45]	britney	https://imgur.com/a/mRqWb1s
[08:45]	TR Bot	The magic of the Internet
[08:46]	bagira	ram is easy these days
[08:46]	matey	/me thinks "dick flipper" has potential as an insult if you can say it with a straight face
[08:46]	bagira	i have 64 on this box
[08:46]	britney	I have 16GB
[08:46]	TR News	We May Have Just Passed 200,000 Victims of COVID-19 in the United Kingdom https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/21/200000-brits-dead-with-coronavirus/
[08:46]	TR Bot	Blog Archive We May Have Just Passed 200,000 Victims of COVID-19 in the United Kingdom
[08:47]	matey	neil mcgovern is a dick flipper
[08:47]	bagira	the introsion detection system has banned just thousands of IPs since AO was launched
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[08:47]	bagira	*intrusion
[08:48]	bagira	almost all of them trying to abuse ssh
[08:48]	TR News	3 Most Underrated Linux Distros Deserving More Recognition https://linuxiac.com/most-underrated-linux-distros/ Source: linuxiac | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//linuxiac.com/most-underrated-linux-distros/
[08:48]	TR Bot	 3 Most Underrated Linux Distros Deserving More Recognition
[08:49]	matey	ao is cool
[08:49]	matey	im pretty sure any public server will be like that though
[08:49]	bagira	im excited about some of the content in the pipeline
[08:49]	bagira	no man none of my other stuff gets hit like this
[08:49]	matey	i ran a gopher server once-- with fail2ban
[08:49]	matey	none of my other stuff gets hit like this <- cool then
[08:49]	TR News	"CentOS 7 reaches end of life" https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/application-modernization/introducing-rocky-linux-optimized-for-google-cloud |
[08:50]	TR Bot	 Introducing Rocky Linux Optimized for Google Cloud | Google Cloud Blog
[08:50]	TR News	"For those who have been paying attention to the Game of Trees" https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20220720220958 | Source: Undeadly
[08:50]	TR Bot	 Game of Trees 0.74 released
[08:50]	bagira	yeah we added bootstrap support to the markdown generator so we'll be able to use tags for various types of notes
[08:50]	bagira	its hilarious how primitive the tech stack is under it
[08:51]	TR News	Proprietary bubble, propped up by US taxpayers https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/20/23271634/google-hiring-pause-two-weeks-review-headcount-needs | Source: The Verge
[08:51]	TR Bot	 Google pauses hiring for two weeks to review our headcount needs - The Verge
[08:51]	TR News	"reached a provisional agreement on a new landmark regulatory framework for cryptocurrencies." https://www.computerworld.com/article/3667281/will-new-eu-crypto-rules-change-how-ransomware-is-played.html | Source: Computer World
[08:51]	TR Bot	new EU crypto rules change how ransomware is played? | Computerworld
[08:52]	matey	next up: gemini support
[08:52]	bagira	crypto can't be regulated lol
[08:52]	bagira	its designed not to be
[08:52]	matey	canadian crypto cant be 
[08:53]	bagira	thats why when shiba inu hits a penny i'm going to buy an internet backbone and rule over the interwebs
[08:53]	britney	lol
[08:55]	TR News	Many scripted Dell 'articles' after embargo http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167482#comment-34399
[08:55]	TR Bot	 Dell XPS 13 Plus Developer Edition Laptop Is Now Certified for Ubuntu 22.04 LTS | Tux Machines
[08:55]	britney	Certified for Shit 22.04 LTS
[08:57]	TR News	Proprietary software and corrupt both need to go, even at the same time. They're connected.
[08:58]	TR News	"Brendan Carr, the commissioner of the FCC" https://blog.malwarebytes.com/privacy-2/2022/07/tiktok-is-unacceptable-security-risk-and-should-be-removed-from-app-stores-says-fcc/ | Source: Malwarebytes Labs
[08:58]	TR Bot	 TikTok is "unacceptable security risk" and should be removed from app stores, says FCC | Malwarebytes Labs
[08:58]	TR News	"An official said that passengers would barely notice they were being checked as they walked to the exit." https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/breeze-through-border-control-in-contactless-corridors-cqlbcbdvt | Source: The Sunday Times UK
[08:58]	TR Bot	 Breeze through border control in contactless corridors | News | The Times
[08:58]	TR News	How about no? https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tourists-must-send-photo-faces-27535311 | Source: Mirror UK
[08:58]	TR Bot	 Tourists must send photo of faces to Home Office before visiting UK from next year - Mirror Online
[08:58]	TR News	"Perhaps the most well-known rule about passports is that you can not smile in your photograph." https://www.express.co.uk/travel/articles/1642110/Passports-application-rejected-photograph-reasons-evg | Source: Express
[08:58]	TR Bot	5 'unexpected' photo mistakes that could see your passport application rejected | Travel News | Travel | Express.co.uk
[08:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.58 k/sec., IPFS upstream 20.78 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[08:59]	TR News	"submit biometric details through a smartphone app" https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/home-office-contactless-corridors-border-control-b2127885.html | Source: The Independent UK
[08:59]	TR Bot	 Home Office to pilot contactless corridors to allow travelers to breeze through border control | The Independent
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[09:00]	TR News	"its not about where the data are stored, but who has access." https://theconversation.com/even-if-tiktok-and-other-apps-are-collecting-your-data-what-are-the-actual-consequences-187277 | Source: The Conversation
[09:00]	TR Bot	 Even if TikTok and other apps are collecting your data, what are the actual consequences?
[09:00]	bagira	its kind of f*cking stupid that coinbase lists currencies under the trade category that it doesnt actually let you place trades in
[09:01]	TR News	"Secret Service employees were supposed to manually back up" https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/19/politics/secret-service-texts-national-archives/index.html | Source: CNN
[09:01]	TR Bot	 Secret Service gives thousands of documents to January 6 committee, but hasn't yet recovered potentially missing texts - CNNPolitics
[09:04]	TR News	Tesla down the drain https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/20/23271834/tesla-q2-2022-earnings-elon-musk | Source: The Verge
[09:04]	TR Bot	 Tesla Q2 2022 report shows crypto sell-off, decrease in profits - The Verge
[09:04]	matey	the data for comparison / context isnt useful?
[09:04]	matey	oh under the trade category
[09:07]	techuser	hi
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[09:07]	techuser	hope the nick changes are logged, but if they don't, I'm SomeH4x0r
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[09:08]	britney	techuser, please dont haxx0r me
[09:15]	matey	https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0390374/
[09:15]	TR Bot	Hammer, Don't Hurt 'Em: The Movie (Video 1990) - IMDb
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[09:28]	TR News	American Data Privacy https://thehill.com/policy/technology/3567822-house-panel-advances-landmark-federal-data-privacy-bill/ | Source: The Hill
[09:28]	TR Bot	 House panel advances landmark federal data privacy bill | The Hill
[09:28]	TR News	"they would delay or cut" https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4601282 | Source: Taiwan News
[09:28]	TR Bot	 US Senate moves closer to passing CHIPS Act | Taiwan News | 2022-07-20 15:55:00
[09:29]	TR News	Graft: "subsidies and tax credits" (not to homeless people but to BILLIONAIRES!) https://www.reuters.com/technology/months-later-us-senate-tries-again-computer-chip-bill-compete-with-china-2022-07-19/ | Source: Reuters
[09:29]	TR Bot	Senate votes to move ahead on chip bill to compete with China | Reuters
[09:29]	TR News	Misinformation/Disinformation https://variety.com/2022/digital/global/instagram-tiktok-youtube-uk-teen-news-1235321760/ Misinformation/Disinformation come from BBC too, but it's for the oligarchs, so that's cool!!
[09:29]	TR Bot	TikTok Top News Sources for U.K. Teens, Ousting BBC - Variety
[09:30]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[09:31]	TR News	And BillBC hides the fact that Bill Gates turned to Jeffrey Epstein for kids... when Gates was bribing BBC (meant to be funded by and for the public) https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-62238307
[09:31]	TR Bot	shun traditional news channels for TikTok and Instagram, Ofcom says - BBC News
[09:31]	TR News	From one form of brainwash to another https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/uk-teens-shun-traditional-news-tiktok-instagram-regulator-2022-07-20/ | Source: Reuters
[09:31]	TR Bot	teens shun traditional news for TikTok, Instagram - regulator | Reuters
[09:36]	TR News	So-called "blasphemy" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-africa-62243068 | Source: BillBC, where mentioning that the bribe giver of the BBC, Bill Gates, is enabling pedophiles is considered "conspiracy theory or "blasphemy"
[09:36]	TR Bot	 Killed for blasphemy in Nigeria: 'It felt like a spear pierced my heart' - BBC News
[09:37]	TR News	Uber should cease to even exist. But not before they detain and prosecute the executives. https://the-blindspot.com/spotlight-on-the-uber-files/ |
[09:37]	TR Bot	 Spotlight on the 'Uber Files' - The Blind Spot
[09:40]	TR News	Internet Policy https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2022/07/utility-pole-owners-should-test-structures-before-delivery-of-federal-funds-consulting-firm/ | Source: Broadband Breakfast
[09:40]	TR Bot	 Utility Pole Owners Should Test Structures Before Delivery of Federal Funds: Consulting Firm : Broadband Breakfast
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[10:01]	TR News	Digital Restrictions (DRM) implosion https://text.npr.org/1112335543 | Source: NPR
[10:01]	TR Bot	 Netflix loses nearly 1 million subscribers. That's the good news
[10:01]	TR News	"analysts response was more mixed" https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/netflix-analysts-earnings-subscribers-advertising-tier-1235182902/ | Source: Hollywood Reporter
[10:01]	TR Bot	 Netflix Q2 2022 Earnings: Wall Street Debates Results The Hollywood Reporter
[10:02]	TR News	"The solution for the end of the backend era is a newly imagined model of deal-making." https://variety.com/2022/tv/features/ownership-cover-hollywood-tv-creatives-wga-sag-dga-1235319528/ | Source: Variety
[10:02]	TR Bot	Creatives Fight Over Pay Changes in the Streaming Era - Variety
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[10:31]	TR News	Dell XPS 13 Plus Developer Edition Now Available with Ubuntu 22.04 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167482#comment-34400
[10:31]	TR Bot	 Dell XPS 13 Plus Developer Edition Laptop Is Now Certified for Ubuntu 22.04 LTS | Tux Machines
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[10:46]	psydruid	"We came, we saw, he died" - Killary Ruthless Killer
[10:46]	TR News	Linux-Based Digital Signage Solutions: Pros & Cons Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167486
[10:46]	TR Bot	 Linux-Based Digital Signage Solutions: Pros & Cons | Tux Machines
[10:46]	TR News	Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167487
[10:46]	TR Bot	 Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
[10:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	psydroid2: "liberal"
[10:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	"liberated" Lybia
[10:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	Libya
[10:54]	TR News	"Rob is asking themself the same question and comes to a similar conclusion that i do. what the frack do i want to do with my life? what is it that's fulfilling and gives me meaning? " gemini://tilde.pink/~maria/log/2022-07-21_re_professional_goals.gmi
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[11:09]	schestowitz[TR2]	hi, techuser 
[11:10]	techuser	hi
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[11:22]	schestowitz[TR2]	techuser: new here?
[11:22]	techuser	no, I'm SomeH4x0r
[11:23]	schestowitz[TR2]	ah, makes sense now
[11:23]	schestowitz[TR2]	very generic name
[11:23]	techuser	I can't think of a good one
[11:23]	techuser	but I'm not a hacker either
[11:25]	schestowitz[TR2]	are you coding?
[11:25]	techuser	no
[11:25]	matey	why not
[11:26]	matey	being in the free software community and not coding-- no matter how welcome you are either way-- is like hanging out everyday at a small airport and never taking the yoke of a plane
[11:27]	matey	(ive never trained as a pilot, but ive at least flown)
[11:27]	matey	but youve coded in c
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[11:28]	matey	what you havent done is found a language that does something fun and/or useful to you
[11:28]	matey	bash and python seem like obvious ones, since either would help you with the tasks you work on already
[11:28]	matey	you could throw in perl, i suppose
[11:29]	matey	and if youre going to be doing school for it, practicing now (even a little) would help with that
[11:31]	DaemonFC	https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey:Reasons
[11:31]	TR Bot	 SeaMonkey:Reasons - MozillaWiki
[11:31]	DaemonFC	When porting Firefox patches to SeaMonkey, I've had them be rejected because the code quality I copied wasn't good enough, so they had to be cleaned up. I really don't like the way the "lead Firefox developer" (Ben Goodger - in quotes because that title is really unfair to the other Firefox devs) does his big patches... in the cases I've looked at, he checked in patches that either were...
[11:31]	DaemonFC	...entirely broken (when he rewrote the options dialog, it didn't work at all and was mostly invisible (see-through, I'm not kidding)), or full of bugs that a few minutes of testing would find (the info bar that alerts you to blocked popups, blocked extensions, missing plugins, etc. had a lot of bugs I came across when I ported it to SeaMonkey). 
[11:31]	DaemonFC	---
[11:31]	DaemonFC	Ben Goodger works on Google Chrome now according to Wikipedia.
[11:31]	DaemonFC	:)
[11:31]	DaemonFC	That was supposed to be in quotes. Hmmmm.
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[11:35]	XRevan86	https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/07/20/severe-censorship "How a new law against denying family values would spell disaster for the Russian literary market"
[11:35]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[11:36]	XRevan86	https://themoscowtimes.com/2022/07/21/a78363
[11:36]	TR Bot	 Russian Search Engines to Label Wikipedia as War Fakes Spreader - The Moscow Times
[11:37]	XRevan86	https://pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/07/21/7359323/
[11:37]	TR Bot	 Russians are attacking Kharkiv: there are fatalities and casualties | Ukrainska Pravda
[11:37]	TR News	Hands-on With openSUSE MicroOS - Adaptable Linux Platform [First Look] Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167488
[11:37]	TR Bot	 Hands-on With openSUSE MicroOS - Adaptable Linux Platform [First Look] | Tux Machines
[11:37]	TR News	What Do After Installing Kubuntu 22.04 and KDE Plasma 5.24 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167489
[11:37]	TR Bot	 What Do After Installing Kubuntu 22.04 and KDE Plasma 5.24 | Tux Machines
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[11:56]	TR News	Dell Wants Free Marketing of Its GNU/Linux (Preloaded) Laptops, But It Should Help With Advertising, Including in the Front Page of Its Web Site | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/21/dell-embargoes/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/21/dell-embargoes/
[11:56]	TR Bot	 Dell Wants Free Marketing of Its GNU/Linux (Preloaded) Laptops, But It Should Help With Advertising, Including in the Front Page of Its Web Site | Techrights
[11:57]	psydroid2	screw Dell
[11:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	dhell
[11:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	as MinceR  calls them
[11:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	but hey
[11:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	if they start pro-gnu/linux makreting capaigns
[11:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	we too can benmefit
[11:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	nothing to lose by asking
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[12:16]	TR News	Git and Gemini: the Core of the New Sites (With Our Own CMS Running on Alpine) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/21/git-and-gemini/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/21/git-and-gemini/
[12:16]	TR Bot	 Git and Gemini: the Core of the New Sites (With Our Own CMS Running on Alpine) | Techrights
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[12:21]	TR News	'After' COVID-19 it's CapitalismAsUsual, so we should expect no better from climate response. Humans are very competent at driving themselves to extinction. Then, remaining species can say, "well, at least they became "rich" in the process" (man-made concept).
[12:21]	DaemonFC	https://i.imgur.com/iLakZK4.png
[12:23]	DaemonFC	There's a GTK integration theme for Seamonkey that still works. :)
[12:23]	TR News	We're meant to think COVID-19 is something in the past, but this is the WORST summer by FAR!! https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/21/200000-brits-dead-with-coronavirus/
[12:23]	TR Bot	Blog Archive We May Have Just Passed 200,000 Victims of COVID-19 in the United Kingdom
[12:24]	TR News	Weve been Building Back Better so far this month; with site migrations ongoing the plan is to further expand the use of Git (self-hosted) and add support to facilitate Gemini, perhaps along with other emergent protocols http://techrights.org/2022/07/21/git-and-gemini/
[12:24]	TR News	Its fine that Dell offers people hardware without Windows; but it would be nicer if Dell also actively marketed GNU/Linux as a Windows substitute http://techrights.org/2022/07/21/dell-embargoes/
[12:25]	TR News	"We cover events and user groups that are running in the US state of Arkansas. This article forms part of our Linux Around The World series." https://www.linuxlinks.com/linux-usa-arkansas/
[12:25]	TR Bot	Around The World: USA - Arkansas - LinuxLinks
[12:25]	DaemonFC	They usually charge more to be rid of Windows from the get go.
[12:28]		*psydroid2 notices both Dell and Intel rhyme with hell
[12:30]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[12:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	psydroid2: Bell was also a monopoly
[12:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	DaemonFC: or different specs
[12:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	I mention it in the video
[12:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	they make GNUJ/Linux SEEM cheaper
[12:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	but the specs are worse
[12:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	the "non-windows surplus"
[12:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	you PAY MORE for NOT having something
[12:31]	TR News	Entertainment Choices gemini://ainent.xyz/gemlog/2022-07-20-entertainment-choices.gmi
[12:32]	psydroid2	I'm watching the video now
[12:33]	earthling	the netsurf-motif port... it's there to hack with
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[12:33]	earthling	if anyone wanted to help, it compiles, it runs, and it crashes still
[12:34]	earthling	very buggy, yet i think it is possible, to bring it back
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[12:34]	TR News	"Librem 5 USA orders"... not even made in USA, maybe assembled there https://puri.sm/posts/anti-interdiction-on-the-librem-5-usa/ | Source: Purism
[12:34]	TR Bot	 Anti-Interdiction on The Librem 5 USA Purism
[12:34]	earthling	for, it has no practical benefit anymore, in comparison to text-mode browsers
[12:35]	TR News	Does Librem think "USA" is a badge of freedom? See NSA leaks.
[12:35]	earthling	none of the "free software" browsers lynx/links/w3m/netsurf are sufficient for online banking
[12:35]	earthling	not important for me either
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[12:36]	TR News	"This comprehensive guide explains what is Docker Desktop and how to install Docker Desktop in Linux" https://ostechnix.com/docker-desktop-for-linux/ | Source: OSTechNix
[12:36]	TR Bot	Beginners Manual To Docker Desktop For Linux - OSTechNix
[12:36]	earthling	what's worse, many job advertisements are published online, with web-sites which require certain browser versions
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[12:37]	earthling	so, with "free software" browsers such as the ones mentioned, those are locked out from online job portals mostly
[12:37]	DaemonFC	That's not a mistake.
[12:37]	TR News	Enough "added value"? Use another distro? https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/5-ways-take-advantage-your-red-hat-tam-subscription | Source: Red Hat Official
[12:37]	TR Bot	 5 ways to take advantage of your Red Hat TAM subscription
[12:37]	earthling	it is important to distinguish, of cause, what is referred to with free software browsers, lynx/links/w3m/netsurf
[12:37]	DaemonFC	The banks push the latest version of the major browsers.
[12:37]	DaemonFC	So much that they often don't even like it if you use Firefox ESR.
[12:38]	TR News	Training for a BRAND means becoming enslaved by that brand https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/explore-flexible-training-offerings-red-hat | Source: Red Hat Official
[12:38]	TR Bot	 Explore flexible training offerings with Red Hat
[12:38]	earthling	btw. even if i wasn't concerned about "free software", any of the typical browsers are unacceptable nonetheless
[12:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	DaemonFC: they don't know what esr is
[12:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	neither the person not the verion
[12:39]	earthling	i won't ever again install any of this on either a windows computer (which i haven't got), nor on linux
[12:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	*nor
[12:39]	DaemonFC	SeaMonkey is hopelessly outdated in some ways.
[12:39]	DaemonFC	Gecko changes too much to stay current.
[12:39]	DaemonFC	So they tend to the corpse.
[12:39]	TR News	Delete Shithub https://nusenu.github.io/OrNetStats/#tor-version-distribution-relays
[12:39]	TR Bot	 OrNetStats | OrNetStats
[12:40]	schestowitz	n
[12:40]	schestowitz	x https://odysee.com/@BrodieRobertson:5/did-microsoft-block-linux-on-new:1
[12:40]	TR Bot	 Did Microsoft Block Linux On New Thinkpads?!?
[12:40]	schestowitz	# quotes mjg, apologizing for M$ and downplaying both the problem and the
[12:40]	schestowitz	# direction things have been heading
[12:40]	DaemonFC	schestowitz You're not even a Wiki!!!!1111111one
[12:41]	earthling	imagine this, not writing an article "living with free software"
[12:42]	earthling	instead it is "Dying with Free Software"
[12:42]	TR News	Is the IP Address Still a Privacy Threat in 2022? https://odysee.com/@RobBraxmanTech:6/ip-2022:a Source: RobBraxmanTech | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//odysee.com/@RobBraxmanTech:6/ip-2022:a
[12:42]	TR Bot	 Is the IP Address Still a Privacy Threat in 2022?
[12:42]	earthling	first and foremost, NO access to online job portals
[12:42]	earthling	it isn't difficult to imagine what argument followed
[12:43]	earthling	"dumbfuck, too stupid, can't install a web browser. wait, a real professional does install this in a minute, knowing what he's doing"
[12:43]	DaemonFC	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_Layer_Security#TLS_1.0
[12:43]	TR Bot	 Transport Layer Security - Wikipedia
[12:43]	DaemonFC	 the renaming from "SSL" to "TLS", were a face-saving gesture to Microsoft, "so it wouldn't look [like] the IETF was just rubberstamping Netscape's protocol".
[12:43]	DaemonFC	^ LOL
[12:44]	TR News	reuters blocks firefox, but... https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/uk-teens-shun-traditional-news-tiktok-instagram-regulator-2022-07-20/
[12:44]	TR Bot	teens shun traditional news for TikTok, Instagram - regulator | Reuters
[12:45]	TR News	"According to Downdetector.com, there were more than 4,800 cases of customers reporting troubles with Microsoft Teams." Source: cio | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/enterprise-services-and-applications/microsoft-teams-down-for-thousands-of-users/93018616
[12:45]	TR News	Estonias HIMARS to considerably hike the price of aggression for Russia | News | ERR https://news.err.ee/1608660622/estonia-s-himars-to-considerably-hike-the-price-of-aggression-for-russia Source: news | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//news.err.ee/1608660622/estonia-s-himars-to-considerably-hike-the-price-of-aggression-for-russia
[12:45]	TR Bot	 Estonia's HIMARS to considerably hike the price of aggression for Russia | News | ERR
[12:47]	earthling	going ahead with such discussions, because it's easier to visualize
[12:47]	earthling	if the entire industry is wrecked
[12:48]	earthling	picking up some z80, gigatron with (A)X.25 whatever, and disconnect the internet then
[12:49]	earthling	ordering some book and electronics parts...
[12:49]	TR News	I heard is from the inside weeks ago https://www.geekwire.com/2022/microsoft-eliminates-open-jobs-amid-economic-downturn/ see also http://techrights.org/2022/06/11/geekwire-doxing/
[12:49]	TR Bot	eliminates open jobs amid economic downturn GeekWire
[12:49]	TR Bot	 GeekWire and Todd Bishop: Doxing for Microsoft | Techrights
[12:49]	earthling	how did they do it in 1969, space program, when TTL7400 were common?
[12:50]	TR News	chromebook https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=da&tl=en&u=https://www.datatilsynet.dk/afgoerelser/afgoerelser/2022/jul/datatilsynet-nedlaegger-behandlingsforbud-i-chromebook-sag-
[12:50]	TR Bot	 Datatilsynet nedlgger behandlingsforbud i Chromebook-sag
[12:51]	earthling	engineers from that era with their equipment, books and skills probably would end up under the bridge injecting drugs nowadays
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[12:52]	earthling	it is rather framed into some "social" "ecological" "racial" narrative, to explain this
[12:52]	earthling	when instead it is a technical question, if any of the current technology was suitable to work
[12:52]	earthling	at least to have access to job placement
[12:53]	TR News	"Manjaro is a modern and user-friendly Arch-based Linux distribution" https://www.tecmint.com/install-manjaro-xfce/ | Source: TecMint
[12:53]	TR Bot	 Installation of Manjaro 21 (XFCE Edition) Desktop
[12:53]	earthling	it is no coincidence, the new "quality" of technology products, is advertised together with this "diversity" quackery
[12:54]	TR News	"I often write the Readme file and Install instructions" https://opensource.com/article/22/7/fmt-trivial-text-formatter | Source: OpenSource.com
[12:54]	TR Bot	I use the Linux fmt command to format text | Opensource.com
[12:54]	TR News	"Teams require some kind of process to coordinate work" https://opensource.com/article/22/7/design-thinking-process | Source: OpenSource.com
[12:54]	TR Bot	Design Thinking into your team processes | Opensource.com
[12:56]	TR News	"If you already tried to package ROS 2 Foxy applications into snaps" https://ubuntu.com//blog/how-to-use-ros-2-shared-memory-in-snaps | Source: Ubuntu
[12:56]	TR Bot	to use ROS 2 shared memory in snaps | Ubuntu
[12:56]	TR News	"In this tutorial, we are going to explain in step-by-step detail how to install Laravel" https://www.rosehosting.com/blog/how-to-install-laravel-on-ubuntu-22-04/ | Source: RoseHosting
[12:56]	TR Bot	to Install Laravel on Ubuntu 22.04 - RoseHosting
[12:57]	TR News	"Installing Apache requires the installation of a complete LAMP package (Linux, Apache, MySQL and, PHP)" https://vitux.com/how-to-install-lamp-stack-on-linux-mint/ | Source: Vitux
[12:57]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://vitux.com/how-to-install-lamp-stack-on-linux-mint/ )
[12:57]	earthling	even if, i could start another test balloon, and see to what i got access to, with some free software only
[12:58]	earthling	it isn't of any interest to anyone
[12:58]	TR News	"SUSE and the openSUSE community have a steering committee and several Work Groups (WG) collectively innovating" https://news.opensuse.org/2022/07/20/community-wg-discusses-next-edition/ |
[12:58]	TR Bot	 Community Work Group Discusses Next Edition - openSUSE News
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[13:00]	TR News	Global warning is WARNING to x86: "Valve put up a bit of a notice / warning recently, one for those of you experiencing a heat wave and trying to game on the Steam Deck might want to keep a note of." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/valve-warns-about-steam-deck-temperatures-plus-a-deck-beta-update-out/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[13:00]	TR Bot	warns about Steam Deck temperatures, plus a Deck Beta Update out | GamingOnLinux
[13:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	psydroid2: ^^
[13:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	1) it causes warming
[13:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	2) it's exxpensive (energy prices soared)
[13:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	3) it won't work when it's hot, i.e. in the future
[13:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	and this is what Windows targets...
[13:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	so..
[13:01]	psydroid2	there are no more excuses for Windows either with the arrival of non-x86 laptops and malware developer tools, but it will probably take them 5-10 years to move on from x86
[13:01]	psydroid2	yes
[13:02]	psydroid2	that's why I only buy x86 as needed
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[13:02]	psydroid2	and probably used going forward
[13:04]	earthling	they're still proud of this... as if this was any "innovation", "progress", a future perspective, job motor whatnot
[13:06]	psydroid2	if you don't keep up with garbage tech your skills are "obsolete"
[13:06]	earthling	it is "free", "educational", "diversity" etc. etc. ...
[13:07]	earthling	not only obsolete, it's racist then, to say it is technical rubbish
[13:07]	psydroid2	indeed
[13:07]	psydroid2	racist against the machine
[13:08]	earthling	even if, free software intended to offer entertainment, multimedia and video games
[13:09]	TR News	Avorion https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/visit-a-new-dimension-in-the-avorion-into-the-rift-expansion/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[13:09]	TR Bot	a new dimension in the Avorion - Into The Rift expansion | GamingOnLinux
[13:09]	earthling	it's none of my concerns, nonetheless, even then, the technical decisions made by companies such as Valve are insane
[13:09]	TR News	GNU/Linux support https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/fantasy-metroidvania-nara-facing-fire-blends-hollow-knight-and-ori/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[13:09]	TR Bot	metroidvania Nara: Facing Fire blends Hollow Knight and Ori | GamingOnLinux
[13:10]	psydroid2	they have technical debt and ties with the hardware industry
[13:10]	earthling	and linux, already got what was necessary: libsdl1,fbcon 15 years ago already
[13:10]	psydroid2	so I don't expect anything to change on that front
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[13:10]	psydroid2	not that other game companies are better, those are even worse
[13:10]	TR News	BrainDead Broccoli... what a name https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/classic-inspired-brawler-pulling-no-punches-arrives-on-august-10/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[13:10]	TR Bot	inspired brawler Pulling No Punches arrives on August 10 | GamingOnLinux
[13:10]	earthling	i do expect changes, which is the influence of this industry sector, onto linux kernel, is very harmful
[13:10]	earthling	to software quality
[13:11]	psydroid2	I gave up on linux and associated projects years ago
[13:11]	earthling	what are you using then psydroid2 ?
[13:11]	psydroid2	I don't think any of those are salvageable
[13:12]	psydroid2	earthling, openbsd, freebsd and other operating systems where possible
[13:12]	psydroid2	but what I mean is that I don't have an interest in gnu/linux
[13:12]	earthling	i think those are salvagable either
[13:12]	psydroid2	it's just around until I've got something better
[13:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	psydroid2: our community still exists
[13:13]	psydroid2	they aren't, but gnu/linux is the worst
[13:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's just overshaddowed
[13:13]	earthling	maybe the openbsd base system is salvagable, with different compilers, certainly not gcc or llvm
[13:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	corporations and corporate media
[13:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	people who don't speak for us
[13:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	activelow you are too strict for practical purposes
[13:14]	earthling	i don't see any error on my side
[13:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	the processors you target are no longer manufactured 
[13:14]	earthling	btw. with the openbsd base system, openbsd itself doesn't promote their additional ports tree and clearly state it is their base-system which is
[13:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	and "modern" CPUs need bloated compilers
[13:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	at the very least for optimisations
[13:15]	earthling	see for yourself, i think it got lynx browser, if this sufficed to navigate job portals online
[13:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	jobs not worth having
[13:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	or job portals
[13:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	word of mouth is better
[13:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	that's how I typically found jobs
[13:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	some jobs advertise just for compliance
[13:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	they already polan to promote "in-house"
[13:16]	earthling	i got enough work to do still...
[13:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	but they need to pretend to have interviewed "candidates"
[13:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	happens all the time
[13:16]	earthling	schestowitz[TR2]: the bureaucratic apparatus, they can throw me out onto the street in a few days if they wanted
[13:16]	TR News	"Square One Games Inc., Black Isle Studios and Interplay Entertainment" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/baldurs-gate-dark-alliance-ii-is-out-now-with-linux-support/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[13:16]	TR Bot	Gate: Dark Alliance II is out now with Linux support | GamingOnLinux
[13:16]	earthling	and, i got no reason to doubt this is what they want
[13:16]	earthling	to do
[13:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	earthling: no incentive having peopple in the street
[13:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	it radicalises and increases crime
[13:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	agianbst you
[13:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	not just by you
[13:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	you probably opened up regarding politics in some workplace
[13:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	and got flagged
[13:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	there'a  saying
[13:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	what do you call a pub with a nazi in it? a nazi pub. same for workplaces
[13:18]	earthling	anyway, this type of modern "technology", which isn't superior to 1970s, concerning any reasonable criteria
[13:18]	earthling	this tech industry effectively sabotaged the society
[13:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's a two-way street
[13:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	society did it to tech
[13:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	tech does this to people
[13:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	tech is just an enforcement tool of the developers
[13:19]	earthling	with the cornerstone of any "free software" definition, there is no online banking, no job portals
[13:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	word of mouth
[13:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	telephone, meetings..
[13:19]	earthling	i would be more specific, who did exactly what
[13:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	I can get your the histopry of how I found jobs
[13:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	same for girls btw
[13:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	don't meet girls online
[13:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	you don't know what you get
[13:19]	earthling	i am a developer, and _never_ used any of "social media", no "smart phone", never used never
[13:20]	earthling	i hated this from the beginning
[13:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	I always prefers to speak to clerks, cashiers, phones
[13:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	no web sites if I can avoid them
[13:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	they lower service levels
[13:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	to save on costs to copmpanies
[13:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	in turn, it means more people like you out of work
[13:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	when in fact you could give tech service
[13:20]	earthling	recent trend being, "microsoft teams" being promoted
[13:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	instead of people trying to do "self-help" like their time is worthless
[13:21]	TR News	Epic Games https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/unreal-engine-5-editor-quietly-gets-a-proper-linux-version/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[13:21]	TR Bot	Engine 5 editor quietly gets a proper Linux version | GamingOnLinux
[13:21]	earthling	remember what they argued, i was supposedly too stupid to install this
[13:21]	earthling	so, it's not only "racist" to reject crap, too it showed low intellect
[13:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	they were too stupid to impose this
[13:22]	schestowitz[TR2]	they could hire one engineer to set up their own video conferencing s/w
[13:22]	schestowitz[TR2]	and then maintain it
[13:22]	schestowitz[TR2]	instead of outsourcing to a criminal company fromA ANOTHER COINTINENT
[13:23]	earthling	i mean "free software", there is many other acceptance criteria for technology
[13:23]	TR News	"The ADTF3175 is a Time-of-Flight (ToF) optimized for 3D depth sensing and computer vision applications." https://linuxgizmos.com/analog-devices-presents-high-res-3d-depth-camera/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
[13:23]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/analog-devices-presents-high-res-3d-depth-camera/ )
[13:23]	earthling	and any tech which would pass MINIMUM acceptance criteria, free or not, doesn't suffice to participate in society anymore
[13:23]	TR News	"OK6254-C Single Board Computer (SBC)" https://linuxgizmos.com/forlinx-introduces-ok6254-c-sbc-based-on-tis-sitara-am6254-processor/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
[13:23]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/forlinx-introduces-ok6254-c-sbc-based-on-tis-sitara-am6254-processor/ )
[13:25]	earthling	on a historical timescale, Tchernobyl disaster, soon soviet union collapsed
[13:25]	schestowitz[TR2]	earthling: you are probably in some "do not employ" bucket
[13:25]	schestowitz[TR2]	they do exist
[13:25]	schestowitz[TR2]	i heard stories
[13:25]	earthling	and, the modern "technology", it is far worse than Tchernobyl could have ever been
[13:25]	schestowitz[TR2]	getting our of these buckets is almost impossible
[13:25]	schestowitz[TR2]	*out
[13:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	and it's why many people here won't tealk to you eiuther
[13:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	changing your nickname is not a solutiob
[13:27]	earthling	schestowitz[TR2]: you know anything related to this? which bucket that is and what the criteria are?
[13:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	it depends on the profession
[13:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	there are some for tech
[13:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	some for medical professionals
[13:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	and they don't tell you when you are in it
[13:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	you figure it out by yourself
[13:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	like the "no-fly" list and similar
[13:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	maybe you had some majjor incident in some tech employer
[13:28]	earthling	i got some list myself
[13:28]	earthling	besides, it was ME who quit with Deutsche Telekom
[13:28]	earthling	i quit with them, not the other way round
[13:28]	earthling	i knew where this would lead to, 15years ago already
[13:29]	earthling	didn't require the perception of a genius either
[13:29]	earthling	and those in charge nowadays, with their diversity and whatnot
[13:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	"Cisco, Deutsche Telekom and Intel are leading the WBA working group that wrote this report."
[13:30]	earthling	they are _worse_ than any other totalitarian regime could have been before in history
[13:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://staceyoniot.com/wi-fi-gets-ready-for-an-industrial-makeover-with-new-features/
[13:30]	TR Bot	 Wi-Fi gets ready for an industrial makeover with new features - Stacey on IoT | Internet of Things news and analysis
[13:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	dt = usa
[13:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	"CUSTOMERS OF SOME phone companies in Germany, including Vodafone and Deutsche Telekom, have had a slightly different browsing experience from those on other providers since early April."
[13:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://www.wired.com/story/trustpid-digital-token-supercookie/
[13:30]	TR Bot	Have Privacy Experts Sounding the Alarm | WIRED
[13:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	they own Sprint.
[13:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	US
[13:33]	earthling	the entire technological complex, it's worse than tchernobyl could have ever been
[13:33]	earthling	although, it is not the tech nor science, it was handed over to the wrong people
[13:34]	TR News	It's worse than "recession" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/07/20/urgent-message-fed-dont-get-bullied-sparking-recession | Source: Common Dreams
[13:34]	TR Bot	 Opinion | An Urgent Message for the Fed: Don't Get Bullied Into Sparking a Recession | Dean Baker
[13:35]	earthling	and tchernobyl, one power plant, this sufficed, for soviet union to collapse
[13:35]	earthling	nowadays, the entire industry, is way beyond what tchernobyl was
[13:35]	psydroid2	Amerikanische Telekom
[13:37]	earthling	it isn't possible anymore to navigate job portals with tech that could pass MINIMUM acceptance criteria for this
[13:38]	TR News	Games: Valve, Epic, Unreal Engine, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167491
[13:38]	TR Bot	 Games: Valve, Epic, Unreal Engine, and More | Tux Machines
[13:38]	TR News	LibreOffice 7.3.5 Office Suite Released with 83 Bug Fixes, Download Now Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167492
[13:38]	TR Bot	 LibreOffice 7.3.5 Office Suite Released with 83 Bug Fixes, Download Now | Tux Machines
[13:38]	earthling	i got email, irc, newsgroups if i wanted, web browser, yet it is not possible to navigate job portals with it
[13:39]	TR News	Proprietary Leftovers: Ransomware and Microsoft Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167490
[13:39]	TR Bot	 Proprietary Leftovers: Ransomware and Microsoft | Tux Machines
[13:39]	earthling	i remember an incident, tested this, which is, i formatted my curriculim vitae as ASCII text
[13:39]	earthling	covering letter too
[13:39]	earthling	pgp signed, quality documents
[13:39]	earthling	too i had added some pdf
[13:40]	earthling	nonetheless, they said they had not received appropriate documents
[13:40]	earthling	and the employment agency threatened to "sanction" me for this
[13:40]	earthling	schestowitz[TR2]: which conclusion would you draw?
[13:40]	earthling	or anyone else?
[13:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	they want obedience
[13:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	you dong it your own way is "red flag"
[13:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	*doing
[13:42]	earthling	ASCII text?
[13:42]	earthling	which can easily be printed onto 9pin matrix?
[13:42]	earthling	pgp signed
[13:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	employers want dumb employees. as dump as the managers
[13:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	*dumb
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[13:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's not about hiring talent
[13:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's about control
[13:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	companies that make weapons
[13:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	about control
[13:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	domination
[13:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	power
[13:43]	earthling	they got that too
[13:43]	earthling	so what?
[13:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	earthling: https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/10/phase-two-of-life/
[13:44]	TR Bot	Blog Archive Entering Phase Two of Life
[13:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	when you work for companies
[13:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	see my experience
[13:45]	earthling	i am not at least referring to some fringe or ideological dogma, to insist
[13:45]	earthling	it is some absolute bare MINIMUM acceptance criteria
[13:46]	psydroid2	companies don't even exist to do anything useful for themselves or for society
[13:46]	earthling	employment agency threatened to sanction(!!!) me over this, to send a mail and CV as ascii text (to keep this story short as possible)
[13:46]	psydroid2	they just want money and control
[13:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	or
[13:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	serving those with money and ocontrol
[13:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	it'd a chain of sick-0sucking
[13:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	state->military-> weapons-> 'tech'
[13:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	those that mint the currencies wwnat power
[13:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	and you get paid power to cusk it up
[13:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	*by power to suck
[13:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	that's a problem
[13:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	like graveley making $12000 a month from Microsoft
[13:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	while attacking women
[13:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	didn't boither microsoft
[13:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	he helped them attack the gpl
[13:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	vis-a-vis..
[13:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	check today's feature EPO article
[13:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	about Razik
[13:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	and his faustian pact
[13:49]	MinceR	they don't mind my PDF CV generated with LaTeX :>
[13:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	$20,000 a month tax free (euros)
[13:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	to help the managers attack the staf f aND BREAK THE LAW
[13:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	AND THEN USE THAT MONEY TO BUILD A SUMMER HOUSE IN CRETE
[13:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	sorry, caps
[13:50]	schestowitz[TR2]	MinceR: I do the same
[13:50]	schestowitz[TR2]	latex->pdf
[13:50]	schestowitz[TR2]	but have not done so for like a decade already
[13:50]	schestowitz[TR2]	rianne does the same, but not since 20114
[13:50]	schestowitz[TR2]	psydroid2: btw, re friedman
[13:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	some online microsoft trolls mocked you
[13:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	for citing us
[13:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	we might soon have evidence from a subpoena explaining what happened to him
[13:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	and to microsoft de icaza, too
[13:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	discovery (court)
[13:51]	earthling	MinceR: LaTeX had issues too, there wasn't a TeX distribution anymore which passed some criteria of MINE
[13:52]	schestowitz[TR2]	the person who got tex build for debian came under attack
[13:52]	schestowitz[TR2]	over total BS
[13:53]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://www.preining.info/blog/2022/07/enrico-zini-on-dam-and-responsability/
[13:53]	TR Bot	 Enrico Zini on DAM and "responsability" | There and back again
[13:53]	schestowitz[TR2]	(from yesterday)
[13:56]	TR News	Patents are the issue here. Patients for Affordable Drugs https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/20/big-pharma-has-raised-drug-prices-1186-times-year-analysis-shows | Source: Common Dreams
[13:56]	TR Bot	 Big Pharma Has Raised Drug Prices 1,186 Times This Year, Analysis Shows
[13:57]	TR News	CHIPS Act is graft. Bail out the homeless, NOT billionaires. US is a mock "free market" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/20/sanders-files-amendment-limit-76-billion-corporate-welfare-microchip-industry also bailing out MICROSOFT http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/
[13:57]	TR Bot	 Sanders Files Amendment to Limit $76 Billion in 'Corporate Welfare' for Microchip Industry
[13:57]	TR Bot	 The United States Government Should Quit Bailing Out Microsoft at Taxpayers Expense | Techrights
[13:59]	TR News	"Committee to Elaborate a Comprehensive International Convention on Countering the Use of Information and Communication Technologies for Criminal Purposes" https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/07/letter-united-nations-inclusive-civil-society-participation | Source: EFF
[13:59]	TR Bot	 Letter to the United Nations on Inclusive Civil Society Participation | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[13:59]	TR News	What does today's EFF even know about hacking? It's attacking RMS. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/07/eff-poker-tournament-def-con-30 | Source: EFF
[13:59]	TR Bot	 EFF Poker Tournament at DEF CON 30 | Electronic Frontier Foundation
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[14:04]	TR News	USA = bailoutocracy = bailing out the rich to make them richer, eliminating taxes for the rich, government then taking that money back as bribes from the rich. Don't kid yourself. This isn't a model for the world; it is a cautionary tale! A cookie jar economy. http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/
[14:04]	TR News	China https://www.techdirt.com/2022/07/20/as-the-chinese-government-ramps-up-oppression-citizens-are-pushing-back/ | Source: Techdirt
[14:04]	TR Bot	The Chinese Government Ramps Up Oppression, Citizens Are Pushing Back | Techdirt
[14:05]	TR News	GDPR not effective enough https://www.techdirt.com/2022/07/20/eu-commission-sued-for-violating-its-own-data-protection-rules/ GDPR not enforced against Microsoft: http://techrights.org/2021/06/10/edps-gdpr-epo-impunity/
[14:05]	TR Bot	Commission Sued For Violating Its Own Data Protection Rules | Techdirt
[14:05]	TR Bot	 The European Data Protection Supervisor (EDPS) Needs to Get Its Act Together on the EPOs GDPR Violations | Techrights
[14:07]	TR News	"the generals of the war against Starbucks barista" https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/liz-shuler-labor-employment-conference/ | Source: The Nation
[14:07]	TR Bot	 Why Is This Union Leader Schmoozing With the Enemy? | The Nation
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[14:09]	TR News	PayPal and Alipay https://torrentfreak.com/court-orders-payal-and-alipay-to-freeze-vpn-companys-funds-in-piracy-lawsuit-220720/ | Source: Torrent Freak
[14:09]	TR Bot	Orders PayPal & Alipay to Freeze VPN Companys Funds in Piracy Lawsuit * TorrentFreak
[14:09]	TR News	Hollywood studios and Netflix https://torrentfreak.com/after-mpa-chopped-off-primewires-head-hydrawire-tv-grew-back-220720/ | Source: Torrent Freak
[14:09]	TR Bot	MPA Chopped Off PrimeWire's Head, HydraWire.tv Grew Back * TorrentFreak
[14:10]	TR News	"Recently I thought about decisions in general, and how I usually need motivation. But I think I actually need a positive state of mind, then I must make the decision and just stick to it. And so far, this works" gemini://altesq.net/~masqq/gemlog/2022-07-21.gmi
[14:11]	TR News	The Peace of Summertime. gemini://atyh.net/post-2022-07-21-summertime.gmi
[14:12]	TR News	Scapegoats of (or for) Netflix https://www.techdirt.com/2022/07/20/netflixs-password-sharing-crackdown-has-it-sounding-more-and-more-like-comcast/ | Source: Techdirt
[14:12]	TR Bot	Password Sharing Crackdown Has It Sounding More And More Like Comcast | Techdirt
[14:13]	TR News	"Prigozhin has asked the Russian Prosecutor Generals Office to conduct an audit of Meduzas activities" https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/07/20/oligarch-evgeny-prigozhin-asks-russia-to-blacklist-meduza-as-an-undesirable-organization | Source: Meduza
[14:13]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[14:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	XRevan86: ^
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[14:16]	MinceR	(audio:important) https://apina.biz/190602.mp4?mode=sfw
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[14:16]	TR News	Terrible idea of helping Microsoft after escaping Windows https://www.how2shout.com/linux/how-to-install-net-core-on-manjaro-linux/
[14:16]	TR Bot	 How to install .Net Core on Manjaro Linux - Linux Shout
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[14:19]	TR News	IBM continues "The Great Resignation" lie/myth while laying off a ton of its own workers https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/7/it-talent-5-reasons-consider-career-coach
[14:19]	TR Bot	 IT talent: 5 reasons to consider a career coach | The Enterprisers Project
[14:20]	TR News	ICBM kicks you and then blaming you for getting kicked
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[14:21]	TR News	"Between the pandemic effect, hustle culture, and work pressures, burnout has become commonplace." When your bosses at ICBM tell you that "you are an IBM employee 100% of the time..." (even after work) https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/7/prevent-team-burnout
[14:21]	TR Bot	 Burnout: 3 steps to prevent it on your team | The Enterprisers Project
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[14:21]	TR News	Steven Vaughan-Nichols is a PR person, not a journalist. See who pays the salary.
[14:22]	TR News	ICBM pushing proprietary software after buying Red Hat - El Reg https://www.theregister.com/2022/07/20/ibm_db2_operator/ Source: theregister | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.theregister.com/2022/07/20/ibm_db2_operator/
[14:22]	TR Bot	 IBM launches Db2 operator for Kubenetes on AWS The Register
[14:22]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Yea, he wants Meduza to be deemed undesirable.
[14:23]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167493
[14:23]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[14:23]	schestowitz[TR2]	XRevan86: to him
[14:23]	XRevan86	schestowitz: To the "law".
[14:23]	psydroid2	schestowitz[TR2], let them come, I will eat them alive
[14:24]	TR News	SJVN, the coin-operated corporate poodle. Insert coin, choose "sponsored narrative" https://narratives.zdnet.com/
[14:24]	TR Bot	 
[14:25]	schestowitz[TR2]	spazz: she said?
[14:25]	schestowitz[TR2]	psydroid2: she said?
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[14:27]	TR News	IBM: THE GREAT RESIGNATION! 200,000 ... FIRED!! Cops: we don't kill anyone. They kill themselves. "STOP RESISTING!"
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[14:28]	psydroid2	I know about Microsoft trolls, but they generally don't dare to respond or don't get the last word
[14:28]	MinceR	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh_gIxTitMM
[14:28]	TR Bot	https://inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=Hh_gIxTitMM
[14:28]	TR Bot	inv.riverside.rocks | (HD) Judge Dredd - YOU BETRAYED THE LAW!!!! - Invidious
[14:28]	TR News	Cops can be like rapists. They shout at you to strop resistance.
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[14:29]	psydroid2	I remember when Hayden Barnes came here as matlock and I shut him down and he left after two days of not getting anywhere
[14:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	psydroid2: rms: "Idiots can be defeated but they never admit it."
[14:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	silence can be victory
[14:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	psydroid2: he vanished
[14:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	into rancher
[14:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	no more wsl
[14:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's like original surface
[14:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	the "big ass table"
[14:30]	psydroid2	rancher should also vanish together with suse
[14:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's hype
[14:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	like openshit
[14:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	they tell you embrace complkexity
[14:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	"transformation"
[14:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	"moderniisation"
[14:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	"but buy our wares"
[14:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	to "manage complexity"
[14:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	which you likely never needed in the first place
[14:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	kubernetes forn instance
[14:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	for a two server setup
[14:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	like apache ands varnish
[14:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	move to "the clown" while at it
[14:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	and pay for your staff to get clown certified
[14:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	memorising GUIs
[14:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	and then pay $1000 a month in fees
[14:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	like our company
[14:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	that outsource some shit to AWS
[14:32]	psydroid2	I've never seen an industry that is as disingenuous as the IT industry
[14:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	we used to have our own big rack with many servers
[14:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	now.. none
[14:32]	psydroid2	and I don't see why you would go on to reinvent everything all the time
[14:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	even the email and vpn got outsourced
[14:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	and a colleague bragged it's encryption file syste,m
[14:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	on amazon
[14:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	hgello...
[14:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	amazon controls the whole thing
[14:33]	psydroid2	I really thinking business types should run all of it
[14:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	so some foreign company and cpounty can read all our mail
[14:33]	psydroid2	but what are STEM people especially in CS(E) going to do?
[14:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	and our vpn, too
[14:34]	TR News	Red Hat / IBM Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167494
[14:34]	TR Bot	 Red Hat / IBM Leftovers | Tux Machines
[14:34]	TR News	Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167495
[14:34]	TR Bot	 Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
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[14:36]	TR News	Dell XPS 13 Plus Developer Edition gets certified for Ubuntu 22.04 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167482#comment-34403
[14:36]	TR Bot	 Dell XPS 13 Plus Developer Edition Laptop Is Now Certified for Ubuntu 22.04 LTS | Tux Machines
[14:37]	psydroid2	so after The Great Resignation we will see The Great Collapse
[14:37]	TR News	Linux Mint 21 Beta now available http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167157#comment-34402
[14:37]	TR Bot	 Linux Mint 21 Beta Is Now Available for Download, Heres a First Look | Tux Machines
[14:37]	psydroid2	that's exactly what is needed
[14:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	they will blame it on us
[14:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	form""resigning"
[14:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	we crashed the economy
[14:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	the oligarchs had it asll planned
[14:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	the bailouts and all
[14:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	at our expense
[14:37]	psydroid2	let it all collapse
[14:37]	psydroid2	sometimes it's better to start from a clean slate
[14:38]	psydroid2	although this sounds like MinceR, I think something new can be built from zero
[14:38]	psydroid2	something that is better than what came before
[14:38]	TR News	LibreOffice 7.3.5 Community available for download http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167492#comment-34401
[14:38]	TR Bot	 LibreOffice 7.3.5 Office Suite Released with 83 Bug Fixes, Download Now | Tux Machines
[14:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	there is food shortage
[14:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	they say
[14:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	maybe eat the people who buy all the farmland
[14:38]	earthling	^ this is confusing me, the promotion of LibreOffice by schestowitz[TR2] and his tuxmachines
[14:39]	earthling	just a random hit
[14:39]	earthling	no problem, it could be a disagreement, of what "free software" was supposed to be, or anything complying with MINIMUM acceptance criteria for software
[14:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	today's news
[14:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	with libreofice you can work locally
[14:40]	earthling	it's just a random pick
[14:40]	TR News	Rinat Akhmetov https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/07/20/i-am-not-going-to-be-an-oligarch | Source: Meduza
[14:40]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[14:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	earthling: chronological
[14:43]	TR News	Twitter is foreign interference. Twitter should collapse and die already. "In June of 2021, Nigerian authorities directed internet service providers in Nigeria to block access to Twitter after the platform flagged and removed a tweet from Nigerian President Muhammadu Buhari" https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/07/nigerian-twitter-ban-declared-unlawful-court-victory-eff-and-partners | Source: EFF
[14:43]	TR Bot	 Nigerian Twitter Ban Declared Unlawful by Court: Victory by EFF and Partners | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[14:43]	TR News	VPN https://www.techdirt.com/2022/07/20/lawmakers-push-ftc-to-crack-down-on-sleazy-vpn-industry/ | Source: Techdirt
[14:43]	TR Bot	Push FTC To Crack Down On Sleazy VPN Industry | Techdirt
[14:43]	TR News	"Judicial immunity is one of a handful of absolute immunities." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/07/20/one-way-to-lose-judicial-immunity-perform-impromptu-warrantless-searches-of-peoples-houses/ | Source: Techdirt
[14:43]	TR Bot	Way To Lose Judicial Immunity: Perform Impromptu Warrantless Searches Of Peoples Houses | Techdirt
[14:44]	TR News	"Roller coasters are not only great fun to ride, theyre also fascinating pieces of engineering." https://hackaday.com/2022/07/20/how-to-make-a-model-roller-coaster-without-any-moving-parts/ | Source: Hackaday
[14:44]	TR Bot	To Make A Model Roller Coaster Without Any Moving Parts | Hackaday
[14:47]	TR News	"If you can buy something off the shelf, theres a good chance that someone has tried to 3D print their own version. [Daniel Nore] did just that with skateboard trucks, whipping up a design of his own." https://hackaday.com/2022/07/20/3d-printed-skate-trucks-do-surprisingly-okay/ | Source: Hackaday
[14:47]	TR Bot	Printed Skate Trucks Do Surprisingly Okay | Hackaday
[14:48]	TR News	Graft, theft https://truthout.org/articles/sanders-moves-to-limit-76-billion-in-corporate-welfare-for-microchip-industry/ They also gave about $40,000,000,000 to Microsoft: http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/
[14:48]	TR Bot	 Sanders Moves to Limit $76 Billion in "Corporate Welfare" for Microchip Industry
[14:48]	TR Bot	 The United States Government Should Quit Bailing Out Microsoft at Taxpayers Expense | Techrights
[14:49]	TR News	Patents that kill https://truthout.org/articles/big-pharma-has-raised-drug-prices-1186-times-this-year-report-says/ | Source: TruthOut
[14:49]	TR Bot	 Big Pharma Has Raised Drug Prices 1,186 Times This Year, Report Says
[14:49]	earthling	to provoke again, this type of software, LibreOffice, isn't supporting "software freedom", instead it is a threat
[14:50]	earthling	and this isn't a critique directed towards developers and their competence
[14:50]	schestowitz[TR2]	they're many germans
[14:50]	schestowitz[TR2]	but maybe not "true germans" to you
[14:50]	earthling	instead, the fact it is millions of hours of manpower, let me say wasted on this, even worse
[14:50]	schestowitz[TR2]	TDF is based in Berlin mostly
[14:51]	earthling	schestowitz[TR2]: i worked with a c++ programmer who developed staroffice, some years ago
[14:52]	earthling	another reason why, it's sadden me, to see such manpower wasted
[14:52]	earthling	*saddening
[14:53]	TR News	"The European Commission launched the Rule of Law procedure against Hungary at the end of April." Should do the same to Team UPC. Hungary the only one to rule against this abomination. https://telex.hu/english/2022/07/21/transparency-justice-ministers-proposals-insufficient-for-curbing-corruption | Source: Telex (Hungary)
[14:53]	TR Bot	 Telex: Transparency: Justice Minister's proposals insufficient for curbing corruption
[14:55]	TR News	"17 Democratic lawmakers, almost all women, were arrested outside the Supreme Court" https://www.democracynow.org/2022/7/20/rep_jayapal_progressive_caucus_chair_on | Source: Democracy Now
[14:55]	TR Bot	 Progressive Caucus Chair Rep. Jayapal on Her Own Abortion & Why Biden Must Protect Right to Choose | Democracy Now!
[14:56]	TR News	"Why Biden Must Protect Right to Choose".. Biden protects the right, not the right to choose https://www.democracynow.org/2022/7/20/rep_jayapal_progressive_caucus_chair_on
[14:58]	TR News	Patents: "drug corporations unfettered ability to dictate prices" https://scheerpost.com/2022/07/20/big-pharma-has-raised-drug-prices-1186-times-this-year-analysis-shows/ | Source: Scheerpost
[14:58]	TR Bot	Pharma Has Raised Drug Prices 1,186 Times This Year, Analysis Shows scheerpost.com
[14:58]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/22070863
[14:59]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/0j2sme4di6a91.jpg created on 2022-07-08 20:06:44.044430
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[15:01]	TR News	GAFAM and politics https://scheerpost.com/2022/07/20/the-dirty-quid-pro-quo-between-democrats-and-big-tech/ | Source: Scheerpost
[15:01]	TR Bot	Dirty Quid Pro Quo Between Democrats and Big Tech scheerpost.com
[15:03]	TR News	"Allegations that MI5 officers and sections of the media sought to bring down Britains Labour government in the 1960s and 70s" https://scheerpost.com/2022/07/20/a-possible-coup-against-the-labour-government/ | Source: Scheerpost
[15:03]	TR Bot	Possible Coup Against The Labour Government? scheerpost.com
[15:04]	TR News	"The early days of FDM 3D printing were wild and wooly. Getting plastic to stick to your build plate was a challenge" https://hackaday.com/2022/07/20/ask-hackaday-resin-printer-build-plates/ | Source: Hackaday
[15:04]	TR Bot	Hackaday: Resin Printer Build Plates | Hackaday
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[15:10]	TR News	Raspberry Pi Email Server using Citadel - Pi My Life Up https://pimylifeup.com/raspberry-pi-email-server/ Source: pimylifeup | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//pimylifeup.com/raspberry-pi-email-server/
[15:10]	TR Bot	 Raspberry Pi Email Server using Citadel - Pi My Life Up
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[15:12]	TR News	Java SE 6 and 7 devs weigh their options as support ends - El Reg https://www.theregister.com/2022/07/20/java_se_6_7_support/ Source: theregister | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.theregister.com/2022/07/20/java_se_6_7_support/
[15:12]	TR Bot	 Java SE 6 and 7 devs weigh their options as support ends The Register
[15:13]	TR News	Free expression is not safe in India: government must not slash social media safe harbour protection - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/india-social-media-safe-harbour/ Source: accessnow | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.accessnow.org/india-social-media-safe-harbour/
[15:13]	TR Bot	 Free expression is not safe in India: government must not slash social media safe harbour protection - Access Now
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[15:21]	earthling	schestowitz[TR2]: what's this "true germans" about?
[15:25]	earthling	btw. the Gigatron TTL is a dutch product... not german
[15:26]	earthling	and the german semiconductor industry is effectively defunct since 1990
[15:26]	earthling	so what are you trying to say?
[15:27]	earthling	as far as i am concerned, yes, i would kick IBM and Intel and AMD out of the country
[15:27]	earthling	Microsoft, same... get out
[15:27]	earthling	no Visa, no travel-permit
[15:28]	earthling	they're hostile, they're an enemy, it is an _economic_ war, orchestrated by pentagon
[15:28]	earthling	i mean, if they drip their racial diversity nonsense on top of it
[15:28]	earthling	this doesn't change anything relevant concerning technical qualities and economic prospects
[15:29]	TR News	Links 21/07/2022: LibreOffice 7.3.5, Microsoft Teams Goes Offline Again, Dell Has Many Puff Pieces | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/21/libreoffice-7-3-5/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/21/libreoffice-7-3-5/
[15:29]	TR Bot	 Links 21/07/2022: LibreOffice 7.3.5, Microsoft Teams Goes Offline Again, Dell Has Many Puff Pieces | Techrights
[15:30]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[15:30]	TR News	Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167496
[15:30]	TR Bot	 Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
[15:31]	TR News	Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167497
[15:31]	TR Bot	 today's leftovers | Tux Machines
[15:32]	TR News	SpellBinding: AHNYRXP Wordo: DYADS gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-07-21.gmi
[15:32]	earthling	schestowitz[TR2]: what would you think "true germans" are?
[15:32]	earthling	if anything, there aren't any remaining anwywhere
[15:32]	earthling	mission accomplished... so what?
[15:32]	earthling	why are you asking me?
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[15:52]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/22070859
[15:52]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/d4nxhl1yjk891.gif created on 2022-07-08 18:54:03.610048
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[16:05]	TR News	System76s Oryx Pro Linux Laptop Gets a 12th Gen Intel CPU, NVIDIA RTX 3000 Ti GPUs Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167498
[16:05]	TR Bot	 System76's Oryx Pro Linux Laptop Gets a 12th Gen Intel CPU, NVIDIA RTX 3000 Ti GPUs | Tux Machines
[16:11]	TR News	Aamzon reviews = Misinformation/Disinformation https://www.maketecheasier.com/amazon-fake-reviews-on-facebook/
[16:11]	TR Bot	 Amazon Going After Fake Reviews Brokered on Facebook - Make Tech Easier
[16:13]	TR News	"We cover events and user groups that are running in Netherlands. This article forms part of our Linux Around The World series." https://www.linuxlinks.com/linux-netherlands/
[16:13]	TR Bot	Around The World: Netherlands - LinuxLinks
[16:13]	TR News	"From 0 to bhyve on FreeBSD, Analyze OpenBSDs Kernel with Domain-Specific Knowledge, OpenBSD Webzine: ISSUE #10, HardenedBSD June 2022 Status Report, two new C compilers: chibicc and kefir in OpenBSD, SSD TRIM in NetBSD HEAD, and more" https://www.bsdnow.tv/464
[16:13]	TR Bot	 BSD Now 464: Compiling with kefir
[16:15]	TR News	Microsoft hates Linux https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/149302/linux-action-news-250/ but they cannot tell you that http://techrights.org/2020/05/29/jupiter-broadcasting/
[16:15]	TR Bot	 Linux Action News 250 | Jupiter Broadcasting
[16:15]	TR Bot	 Microsoft-Connected CloudGuru Doesnt Care About GNU/Linux and Now Its Gradually Killing the BSD/Linux-Centric Jupiter Broadcasting (Bought by Linux Academy) | Techrights
[16:17]	TR News	"I wouldnt have buried vehicle control in the middle of that sentence." https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/07/critical-vulnerabilities-in-gps-trackers.html
[16:17]	TR Bot	Vulnerabilities in GPS Trackers - Schneier on Security
[16:18]	TR News	"A remote attacker could exploit some of these vulnerabilities to take control of an affected system." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/07/20/oracle-releases-july-2022-critical-patch-update
[16:18]	TR Bot	 Oracle Releases July 2022 Critical Patch Update | CISA
[16:29]	TR News	Surveillance can kill you https://www.accessnow.org/post-roe-data-brokers/
[16:29]	TR Bot	 Post-Roe, civil society calls on data brokers to do no harm - Access Now
[16:29]	TR News	What happens when you press a key in your terminal? https://jvns.ca/blog/2022/07/20/pseudoterminals/ Source: jvns | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//jvns.ca/blog/2022/07/20/pseudoterminals/
[16:29]	TR Bot	 What happens when you press a key in your terminal?
[16:35]	TR News	Audiocasts/Shows: Bad Voltage, Linux Action News, BSD Now, and TLLTS Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167499
[16:35]	TR Bot	 Audiocasts/Shows: Bad Voltage, Linux Action News, BSD Now, and TLLTS | Tux Machines
[16:35]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167500
[16:35]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[16:36]	TR News	This is the same government which mandates back doors universally https://www.fosslife.org/us-cybersecurity-apprenticeship-sprint-launched
[16:37]	TR Bot	 U.S. Cybersecurity Apprenticeship Sprint Launched
[16:37]	TR News	Jim Zemlin might as well walk around a conference with a "I love back doors" t-shirt
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[16:41]	TR News	Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167501
[16:42]	TR Bot	 Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
[16:42]	TR News	LightDM 1.32 Display Manager Released, Dropping Qt 4 Support Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167502
[16:43]	TR Bot	 LightDM 1.32 Display Manager Released, Dropping Qt 4 Support | Tux Machines
[16:43]	TR News	Yesterday, I've seen a person wearing what looked like a traditional watch. But upon seeing them more, I saw it was a digital watch, too. The analog watch was controlled and set remotely by the program on a smartphone, basically making it connected to technology, thus being useless without technology nearby." gemini://altesq.net/~evenfire/posts/2022-07-21.gmi
[16:44]	TR News	"I don't see why a watch should be connected to the internet, nor why it should send your pulse straight to some Big Tech server." gemini://altesq.net/~evenfire/posts/2022-07-21.gmi
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[16:46]	TR News	Watch decades ago: no charging needed ever. Sometimes once in a few years. Phones too could go on for a month, charge. We've gone BACKWARDS. Now "phones" need to be charged every day. Warming up the planet.
[16:49]	TR News	LibreJS 7.21.0 released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167503
[16:49]	TR Bot	 LibreJS 7.21.0 released | Tux Machines
[16:50]	TR News	Buzzword projects https://www.ubuntupit.com/best-internet-of-things-projects-iot-projects-that-you-can-make-right-now/
[16:50]	TR Bot	 20 Best Internet of Things Projects (IoT Projects) in 2022
[16:52]	TR News	Download Linux Mint 21 based on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS to Test http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167157#comment-34407
[16:52]	TR Bot	 Linux Mint 21 Beta Is Now Available for Download, Heres a First Look | Tux Machines
[16:56]	TR News	macOS vs. Linux: 5 Key Differences You Should Know Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167504
[16:56]	TR Bot	 macOS vs. Linux: 5 Key Differences You Should Know | Tux Machines
[16:56]	TR News	Are Thunderbird 102s New Features Enough to Make You Switch? Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167505
[16:56]	TR Bot	 Are Thunderbird 102's New Features Enough to Make You Switch? | Tux Machines
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[16:59]	TR News	Public Knowledge Applauds FCC Inquiry Into Data Practices of Mobile Providers - Public Knowledge https://publicknowledge.org/public-knowledge-applauds-fcc-inquiry-into-data-practices-of-mobile-providers/ Source: publicknowledge | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//publicknowledge.org/public-knowledge-applauds-fcc-inquiry-into-data-practices-of-mobile-providers/
[16:59]	TR Bot	 Public Knowledge Applauds FCC Inquiry Into Data Practices of Mobile Providers - Public Knowledge
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[17:02]	TR News	>[PATCH 1/5] ASoC: amd: add RPL Platform acp header file - syed sabakareem https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220721061035.91139-1-Syed.SabaKareem@amd.com/ Source: amd | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220721061035.91139-1-Syed.SabaKareem@amd.com/
[17:02]	TR Bot	 [PATCH 1/5] ASoC: amd: add RPL Platform acp header file - syed sabakareem
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[17:13]	TR News	Right Now in Phoronix... All About AMD (Sponsor) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/21/amd-blog/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/21/amd-blog/
[17:13]	TR Bot	 Right Now in Phoronix All About AMD (Sponsor) | Techrights
[17:15]	TR News	Misrepresentation by Deere and Company to the US EPA and SEC https://www.repair.org/blog/2022/7/20/misrepresentation-by-deere-and-company-to-the-us-epa-and-sec
[17:15]	TR Bot	 Misrepresentation by Deere and Company to the US EPA and SEC The Repair Association
[17:15]	TR News	Repair.org and PIRG call on the EPA to investigate Deere and its dealers over Right to Repair for violating the Clean Air Act " The Repair Association https://www.repair.org/blog/2022/7/21/repairorg-and-pirg-call-on-the-epa-to-investigate-deere-and-its-dealers-over-right-to-repair-for-violating-the-clean-air-act
[17:15]	TR Bot	and PIRG call on the EPA to investigate Deere and its dealers over Right to Repair for violating the Clean Air Act The Repair Association
[17:17]	TR News	Support.Mozilla.Org: Introducing Smith Ellis https://blog.mozilla.org/sumo/2022/07/21/introducing-smith-ellis/ "Customer Experience team"??
[17:17]	TR Bot	 Introducing Smith Ellis The Mozilla Support Blog
[17:17]	TR News	Choosing the right Camel for your ride https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/choosing-right-camel-your-ride Source: Red Hat | ICBM | GNU | Linux | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.redhat.com/en/blog/choosing-right-camel-your-ride
[17:17]	TR Bot	 Choosing the right Camel for your ride
[17:20]	TR News	"Fedoras Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) team is starting to work on the Fedora Week of Diversity (FWD) 2022." Fedora as a community is dying or dead. ICBM killed it with deliberate moves that sent the message. https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fwd-2022-call-for-volunteers/ to ICBM, "community" means "our unpaid staff"
[17:20]	TR Bot	 FWD 2022 call for volunteers Fedora Community Blog
[17:21]	TR News	Calling IBM "ICBM" is an insult... to nuclear weapons
[17:22]	TR News	IBM shill Timothy Prickett Morgan (yes, ICBM pays him to write fake 'articles'... ads) does this mindless "HEY HI" fluff https://www.nextplatform.com/2022/07/21/making-ai-accessible-to-one-and-all/
[17:22]	TR Bot	 Making AI Accessible To One And All
[17:23]	TR News	"Timothy Prickett Morgan [...] Sponsored by Lenovo." Also sponsored by ICBM and Intel. Today's media turned into spam disguised as reporting. "The Next Platform" is corrupt media... it's a spamfarm of corporations.
[17:24]	TR News	Irving Wladawsky-Berger on buzzwords and hype ("Web3" https://blog.irvingwb.com/blog/2022/07/towards-a-trustworthy-web3-framework.html Source: irvingwb | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.irvingwb.com/blog/2022/07/towards-a-trustworthy-web3-framework.html
[17:24]	TR Bot	 Irving Wladawsky-Berger: Web3 - Safeguarding Our Identity and Personal Data in the Digital World
[17:25]	TR News	Climbing the Charts (request for feature requests) | lichtkind [blogs.perl.org] http://blogs.perl.org/users/lichtkind/2022/07/climbing-the-charts-request-for-feature-requests.html Source: perl | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?http%3A//blogs.perl.org/users/lichtkind/2022/07/climbing-the-charts-request-for-feature-requests.html
[17:25]	TR Bot	the Charts (request for feature requests) | lichtkind [blogs.perl.org]
[17:26]	TR News	Today's job interview/hiring process for "journalists": would you post for us a puff piece you neither wrote nor agree with? For a paycheck from the company it's about?
[17:26]	TR News	Linux fundamentals: How to copy, move, and rename files and directories | Enable Sysadmin https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/move-copy-files-linux Source: Red Hat | ICBM | GNU | Linux | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.redhat.com/sysadmin/move-copy-files-linux
[17:26]	TR Bot	 Linux fundamentals: How to copy, move, and rename files and directories | Enable Sysadmin
[17:28]	TR News	Too bloated, too expensive, back doors, not competitive. This isn't the 1990s anymore https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/07/21/pix-nii-pocket-sized-mini-pc-intel-pentium-n6005-processor/
[17:28]	TR Bot	 PIX NII is a pocket-sized mini PC powered by an Intel Pentium N6005 processor (Crowdfunding) - CNX Software
[17:30]	TR News	22,995 dollars? WTH? https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/07/21/xrf16-gen3-som-features-xilinx-zynq-ultrascale-zu49dr-rfsoc-with-up-to-6ghz-bandwidth/
[17:30]	TR Bot	 XRF16 Gen3 SOM features Xilinx Zynq UltraScale+ ZU49DR RFSoC with up to 6GHz bandwidth - CNX Software
[17:33]	TR News	Phoronix keeps cherry-picking commits from AMD and advertising jobs at AMD after bagging a lot of gifts http://techrights.org/2022/07/21/amd-blog/
[17:37]	TR News	Unlike Windows, Linux does not have back doors and zero-days ignored by the vendor (Microsoft) for months, so for this malware to get to the system something dumb needs to happen https://thehackernews.com/2022/07/new-linux-malware-framework-let.html
[17:37]	TR Bot	 New Linux Malware Framework Lets Attackers Install Rootkit on Targeted Systems
[17:39]	TR News	Jack Wallen is conflating Microsoft systemd with Linux https://www.techrepublic.com/article/masked-services-linux-how-manage/
[17:39]	TR Bot	are masked services in Linux, and how do you manage them? | TechRepublic
[17:40]	TR News	Mini-GUADEC 2022 in Berlin | Philip Withnall https://tecnocode.co.uk/2022/07/21/mini-guadec-2022-in-berlin/ Source: tecnocode | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//tecnocode.co.uk/2022/07/21/mini-guadec-2022-in-berlin/
[17:40]	TR Bot	 Mini-GUADEC 2022 in Berlin | Philip Withnall
[17:41]	TR News	How to install KDE neon 20220714 - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=X6mbA9dmX3U | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/X6mbA9dmX3U
[17:41]	TR Bot	 How to install KDE neon 20220714 - Invidious
[17:41]	TR News	KDE neon 20220721 is out https://neon.kde.org/
[17:41]	TR Bot	 KDE neon
[17:43]	TR News	"The page you have tried to view (Living with the Rust trademark) is currently available to LWN subscribers only." RMS said it's a reason to fork Rust. IIRC. https://lwn.net/Articles/901816/
[17:43]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://lwn.net/Articles/901816/ )
[17:45]	TR News	IIRC, RMS said Rust needs to be forked into something like "Crust". I'd go further and say that it should get away from GitHub, drop the CoC, but even then it would not be salvageable if too dependent on upstream (softer fork like Iceweasel).
[17:45]	TR News	Rust was NOT made for freedom or by freedom-centric people
[17:46]	TR News	Rust sees "freedom" in the same way Hillary Clinton sees "freedom"
[17:47]	TR News	Microsoft propagandists still try to conflate malware with "backdoors", which is something Windows has by design; this is misleading, borderline defamatory https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/new-lightning-framework-linux-malware-installs-rootkits-backdoors/
[17:47]	TR Bot	 New Lightning Framework Linux malware installs rootkits, backdoors
[17:48]	TR News	"The previous blog post introduced my project for this summer. This blog post gives an update on the work that has been done so far in the past 5 weeks, and sketches out the plans for upcoming weeks." https://jsuhaas22.github.io/devblog/jekyll/update/2022/07/21/gsoc-post-1-flatpakkcm-update.html
[17:48]	TR Bot	 GSoC Post 1: FlatpakKCM Update 1 | Suhaas Blog
[17:56]	XRevan86	CIT: https://telegra.ph/Report-for-July-19-07-20
[17:56]	TR Bot	 Report for July 19 Telegraph
[17:56]	XRevan86	CIT: https://telegra.ph/Dispatch-for-July-20-07-21
[17:56]	TR Bot	 Dispatch for July 20 Telegraph
[17:59]	TR News	Lots of stores now claim broken (empty) fridges, have no supplies, force you to pay more for the same. Weird.
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[18:01]	bagira	oh thats precious.  i want to supervillain laugh whenever i read developers talking about their plans for the next X weeks like that has ever been what happens, ever lol.  measure in energy units, not time.
[18:04]	bagira	anyway, what's the scoop on daniel pocock?  i got an abuse report for him, but don't have enough context yet to understand what's going on there.  i can't tell if it's standard issue trolling or if this is a trauma response after being targeted himself
[18:14]	TR News	Microsoft GitHub Expos Part XXV should be interesting. Info on what happened with Nat Friedman and Miguel de Icaza covering up for a monster.
[18:15]	TR News	No wonder the price of eggs too almost doubled this year https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/may/19/egg-prices-in-uk-could-increase-as-farmers-warn-of-tidal-wave-of-rising-costs https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-61218741
[18:15]	TR Bot	 Egg prices could rise for UK consumers as farmers cut flock numbers | Eggs | The Guardian
[18:16]	TR Bot	 Egg shortage: Farmers' warning as chicken feed price doubles - BBC News
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[18:22]	TR News	"A mixture of the coronavirus pandemic and Brexit"... so not even a Ukraine-related thing. Brexit means brexit, right? https://www.walesonline.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/egg-shortage-prices-food-farmers-23807512
[18:22]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.walesonline.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/egg-shortage-prices-food-farmers-23807512 )
[18:23]	TR News	Inside the Minds of Microsoft's Media Operatives Part II will be ready soon
[18:30]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[18:43]	TR News	Today we continue this series http://techrights.org/2022/07/17/microsoft-bishops/
[18:43]	TR Bot	 Inside the Minds of Microsofts Media Operatives Part I Bishops in Rooks | Techrights
[18:48]	schestowitz	> Hey xxxxx,
[18:48]	schestowitz	> 
[18:48]	schestowitz	> First of all, thank you for the acknowledgement; its not for nothing
[18:48]	schestowitz	> and actually made my day.
[18:48]	schestowitz	> 
[18:48]	schestowitz	> Secondly, Id much rather give you 1,500 words in a new article rather
[18:48]	schestowitz	> than wasting both our times revising a 6 year old article or arguing ad
[18:48]	schestowitz	> nauseam about whether youre biased in favor of Microsoft. Thoughts?
[18:50]	bnchs	email?
[18:54]	schestowitz	yes, redacted a bit
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[18:54]	schestowitz	tl;dr:
[18:54]	schestowitz	Mirosoft moles burning Microsoft whisleblowers
[18:54]	schestowitz	now trying to prerent it was an accident
[18:54]	schestowitz	6 years later!
[18:54]	schestowitz	>     Thanks xxxx!
[18:54]	schestowitz	> 
[18:54]	schestowitz	>     I responded in-line. Please excuse all brevity and length.
[18:54]	schestowitz	> 
[18:54]	schestowitz	>     Thanks again,
[18:54]	schestowitz	>     xxxx
[18:54]	schestowitz	> 
[18:54]	schestowitz	>>     xxxx
[18:54]	schestowitz	>>
[18:54]	schestowitz	>>     xxxx, thank you, I appreciate the sentiment. I would have
[18:54]	schestowitz	>>     responded to your email in 2017 if I had seen it at the time. We
[18:54]	schestowitz	>>     especially try to listen and learn from people who offer critical
[18:54]	schestowitz	>>     assessments of our work. 
[18:54]	schestowitz	>>
[18:55]	schestowitz	>>     I'm sorry for any problems our past reporting caused you. It's
[18:55]	schestowitz	>>     important for us to be reminded that what we publish has
[18:55]	schestowitz	>>     consequences. If we made any errors of fact or judgment, we'd
[18:55]	schestowitz	>>     welcome a chance to learn more so that we can improve.
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[19:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	>>     Thanks for following up, looking forward to hearing more.
[19:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	> 
[19:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	>     Thank you for caring and acknowledging a problem and at least being
[19:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	>     open to the possibility of giving me a small shot at redemption. 
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[19:23]	MinceR	(cat) https://rimgo.bcow.xyz/gallery/tzMedjj
[19:23]	TR Bot	 For fieldday: my cats & food - rimgo
[19:24]	schestowitz[TR2]	Microsoft liar:
[19:24]	schestowitz[TR2]	">My work is out there for anyone to read and assess from 20 years
[19:24]	schestowitz[TR2]	>of reporting on Microsoft. I do my best to be factual, fair, and
[19:24]	schestowitz[TR2]	>skeptical. No doubt I've fallen short at times. Likewise, I don't
[19:24]	schestowitz[TR2]	>see a lot of value in trying to change anyone's opinion of my
[19:24]	schestowitz[TR2]	>reporting. I just hope that any conclusion is based on an adequate
[19:24]	schestowitz[TR2]	>sample size."
[19:26]	XRevan86	https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/07/21/two-people-killed-and-21-wounded-following-russian-shelling-of-kharkiv-news "Two people killed and 21 wounded following Russian shelling of Kharkiv"
[19:26]	TR Bot	 . 
[19:26]	XRevan86	https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/07/21/russian-investigative-committee-found-no-evidence-of-crime-in-arrest-of-scientist-kolker-who-died-while-detained-news "Russian Investigative Committee found no evidence of crime in arrest of scientist Kolker, who died while detained"
[19:26]	TR Bot	 . 
[19:32]	AdmFubar	https://www.pogowasright.org/security-flaws-in-a-popular-gps-tracker-are-exposing-a-million-vehicle-locations/
[19:32]	TR Bot	 Security flaws in a popular GPS tracker are exposing a million vehicle locations
[19:33]	bagira	its hard to pretend a company with a 30-40 year track record and a previous motto of "embrace, extend, extinguish" suddenly wants to play ball after acquiring github where most of the world's source code is hosted
[19:34]	bagira	the people he interfaces with may even think they're playing ball, that's their purpose in "embrace" and "extend"
[19:35]	bagira	it's not some employee conspiracy where everyone's in on it, it's executive decisions to invest, divest strategically and the people involved at the interface point have good intentions
[19:36]	bagira	i.e. bob isn't evil to foss, and bob's boss isn't evil to foss, but his boss probably is
[19:41]	AdmFubar	https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/19/documents-antitrust-case-google-amazon-00046522
[19:41]	TR Bot	internal documents show tech giants pushing out competitors - POLITICO
[19:44]	AdmFubar	https://www.cnet.com/tech/computing/ai-helps-the-powerful-but-harms-the-vulnerable-mozilla-warns/
[19:44]	TR Bot	Helps the Powerful but Harms the Vulnerable, Mozilla Warns - CNET
[19:45]	bagira	title should read "machine learning" since AI was only redefined so marketing teams could sell ML as "AI" without getting sued, and before corporate corruption of academic curriculums there was almost global consensus on this
[19:46]	bagira	(we lowered the standards when we couldn't reach the goal)
[19:46]	bagira	(by changing definitions of words around)
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[20:13]	TR News	Inside the Minds of Microsofts Media Operatives Part II Justifying a Career as a Microsoft Mouthpiece That Destroys Lives of People With Actual Facts | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/21/careers-as-microsoft-mouthpieces/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/21/careers-as-microsoft-mouthpieces/
[20:13]	TR Bot	 Inside the Minds of Microsofts Media Operatives Part II Justifying a Career as a Microsoft Mouthpiece That Destroys Lives of People With Actual Facts | Techrights
[20:14]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/22070856
[20:14]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/j6wbxai6u4a91.jpg created on 2022-07-08 17:37:43.985398
[20:17]	TR News	Google wants to REPLACE LINUX?, GNOME 43, and Unreal Engine on Linux - Linux and Open Source News - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=KoncJlonKSQ | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/KoncJlonKSQ
[20:17]	TR Bot	 Google wants to REPLACE LINUX?, GNOME 43, and Unreal Engine on Linux - Linux and Open Source News - Invidious
[20:18]	TR News	GNOME 43 to add Device Security Settings with Anti-Linux Boot status & HSI Level | UbuntuHandbook https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/07/gnome-43-device-security/ Source: UbuntuHandbook | FreeSW | GNU | Linux | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/07/gnome-43-device-security/
[20:18]	TR Bot	 GNOME 43 to add Device Security Settings with Secure Boot status & HSI Level | UbuntuHandbook
[20:19]	TR News	Free Software Directory meeting on IRC: Friday, July 22, starting at 12:00 EDT (16:00 UTC) https://www.fsf.org/events/fsd-20220721-irc
[20:19]	TR Bot	 Free Software Directory meeting on IRC: Friday, July 22, starting at 12:00 EDT (16:00 UTC) Free Software Foundation Working together for free software
[20:20]	TR News	Notice how they skip Microsoft while using Microsoft lobbyists' vocabulary https://www.accessnow.org/tech-investors-social-change-human-rights-proposals-shareholders-guide/
[20:20]	TR Bot	 How the world's biggest investors could transform Big Tech - Access Now
[20:22]	TR News	Dell and Ubuntu certify latest model of XPS 13 ultrabook http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167482#comment-34409
[20:22]	TR Bot	 Dell XPS 13 Plus Developer Edition Laptop Is Now Certified for Ubuntu 22.04 LTS | Tux Machines
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[20:23]	TR News	Public Knowledge Welcomes Bill Prohibiting Predatory Broadband Data Caps - Public Knowledge https://publicknowledge.org/public-knowledge-welcomes-bill-prohibiting-predatory-broadband-data-caps/ Source: publicknowledge | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//publicknowledge.org/public-knowledge-welcomes-bill-prohibiting-predatory-broadband-data-caps/
[20:23]	TR Bot	 Public Knowledge Welcomes Bill Prohibiting Predatory Broadband Data Caps - Public Knowledge
[20:24]	TR News	Packaging and logging gopher://uberspace.net:70/0/~defanor/phlog/packaging-and-logging.rst
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[20:27]	TR News	Moral dissent or conscientious leanings arent tolerated by Microsoft and its media operatives; diligent adherence to or insistence on facts are seen as an act of heresy and punished severely http://techrights.org/2022/07/21/careers-as-microsoft-mouthpieces/
[20:29]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/22070842
[20:29]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/2lm78xq735a91.png created on 2022-07-08 12:02:37.071640
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[20:31]	TR News	This coffee machine lets you know when youve had too much caffeine | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/07/21/this-coffee-machine-lets-you-know-when-youve-had-too-much-caffeine/ Source: Arduino | Hardware | OpenHardware | Hacking | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/07/21/this-coffee-machine-lets-you-know-when-youve-had-too-much-caffeine/
[20:31]	TR Bot	 This coffee machine lets you know when you've had too much caffeine | Arduino Blog
[20:31]	TR News	Equipping a go-kart with an omni wheel for endless drifting | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/07/21/equipping-a-go-kart-with-an-omni-wheel-for-endless-drifting/ Source: Arduino | Hardware | OpenHardware | Hacking | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/07/21/equipping-a-go-kart-with-an-omni-wheel-for-endless-drifting/
[20:31]	TR Bot	 Equipping a go-kart with an omni wheel for endless drifting | Arduino Blog
[20:32]	TR News	Chrome is a security hole https://chromereleases.googleblog.com/2022/07/stable-channel-update-for-desktop_19.html
[20:32]	TR Bot	 Chrome Releases: Stable Channel Update for Desktop
[20:33]	TR News	Proprietary software hole, severity CVSS v3 9.8 (OUT OF 10!!!), media won't mention it because it's not "LINUX" or "OPEN SOURCE" https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-202-04
[20:33]	TR Bot	 ICONICS Suite and Mitsubishi Electric MC Works64 Products | CISA
[20:34]	TR News	Microsoft .NET https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-202-04
[20:35]	TR News	"software is running at the SYSTEM level" = WINDOWS. MICROSOFT. Severity: "CVSS v3 8.6" (out of 10) https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-202-03
[20:35]	TR Bot	 Rockwell Automation ISaGRAF Workbench | CISA
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[20:36]	TR News	"Successful exploitation of this vulnerability could allow an unauthenticated user to access Metasys web API and enumerate users." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-202-02
[20:36]	TR Bot	 Johnson Controls Metasys ADS, ADX, OAS | CISA
[20:37]	TR News	Accenture (Microsoft proxy) reports 9.6 (out of 10 in severity) hole https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-202-05
[20:37]	TR Bot	 AutomationDirect Stride Field I/O | CISA
[20:39]	TR News	As usual, CIA conveniently leaves out the fact that this is Microsoft Windows (from the original: "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run\java-sdk" https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/07/21/cnmf-discloses-malware-ukraine
[20:39]	TR Bot	 CNMF Discloses Malware in Ukraine | CISA
[20:41]	TR News	"low-privileged user to create and write to a file anywhere on the file system as system" -> Microsoft Windows again. CISA won't tell you that! Must read between the lines. https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-202-01
[20:41]	TR Bot	 ABB Drive Composer, Automation Builder, Mint Workbench | CISA
[20:42]	TR News	CISA: keep using things with back doors in them. It's for "security"... "national security", i.e. we being in control of all your systems and thus your life
[20:44]	TR News	...today, Thursday, CISA disclosed almost half a dozen very severe flaws in Windows systems, without even once mentioning the words Microsoft or Windows. Several times the severity was almost 10 out of 10.
[20:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	fake security
[20:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	like Mr. GAFAM
[20:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	back doors
[20:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	good fdor you
[20:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	saved your day
[20:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	ask Microsoft for the back door
[20:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	thanks, Microsoft
[20:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	your back doors... are DELICIOUS :-)
[20:45]	earthling	IBM Microsoft Wintel PC itself IS the malware, the backdoor
[20:45]	earthling	the only way to remove the backdoor is wiping IBM Micros~1 Wintel PC itself
[20:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	that'\s also true
[20:48]	TR News	How to install ChromeOS Flex the hard way https://www.aboutchromebooks.com/how-to/how-to-install-chromeos-flex-the-hard-way/ Source: aboutchromebooks | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.aboutchromebooks.com/how-to/how-to-install-chromeos-flex-the-hard-way/
[20:48]	TR Bot	 How to install ChromeOS Flex the hard way
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[21:10]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167506
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[21:13]	TR News	Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt Aginst Linux, CISA Still Covering Up for Microsoft Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167507
[21:13]	TR Bot	 Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt Aginst Linux, CISA Still Covering Up for Microsoft | Tux Machines
[21:13]	TR News	Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167508
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[21:13]	TR News	Mozilla, Chrome, and Drupal Updates Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167509
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[21:14]	TR News	Devices: Projects in Buzzword ("IoT") and Arduino Space Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167510
[21:14]	TR Bot	 Devices: Projects in Buzzword ("IoT") and Arduino Space | Tux Machines
[21:14]	TR News	Red Hat / Fedora / IBM Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167511
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[21:14]	TR News	GNU: GNOME, GUADEC, and the Free Software Directory (FSD) Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167512
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[21:14]	TR News	Googles Weird Commitment to Linux&#039; Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167513
[21:15]	DaemonFC	schestowitz I'm wrapping up my review of SeaMonkey.
[21:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	good
[21:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	it has not changed
[21:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	the www did
[21:15]	DaemonFC	Yeah, that's kind of where I'm going with this.
[21:16]	TR Bot	 Google's Weird Commitment to 'Linux' | Tux Machines
[21:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	thw web is proprietary shit disguised as "open" and "standards"
[21:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	it has been reduced from open to "choicE"
[21:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	you get a CHOICE..
[21:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	between MONOPOLIES
[21:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	and clones of MONOPOLIES
[21:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	all from one country
[21:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	all tied to military interests
[21:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	all disregarding privacy and security
[21:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	DaemonFC: next tuxmachines will have gemini support
[21:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	native
[21:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	parity
[21:17]	earthling	nice
[21:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/new.gmi
[21:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	I'll then update the bot to give the gemnini url for tuxmachines
[21:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	the web is not ours
[21:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	few companies 'stole' it
[21:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	the broesers
[21:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	and the domains
[21:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	and the CAs
[21:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	they swallow the whol,e thing
[21:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	social control media, a couple hundre CAs in a cabal/cartel
[21:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	and few email providers
[21:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	everything else presumed "spam"
[21:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	and they all push "webmail
[21:19]	earthling	apropos email
[21:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	"wherew real encryption is impossible
[21:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	e2ee with dodgy JS
[21:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	in proprietary browser
[21:19]	earthling	i would have registered with libera, if i could have anonymized email
[21:20]	techuser	disposable ones work
[21:20]	techuser	though some (many?) are banned
[21:20]	techuser	fuck Libera though
[21:20]	bagira	they're not going to give you that earthling, they need to be able to identify you so they can control who participates in foss 
[21:21]	earthling	bagira: that's ok
[21:21]	britney	i like protonmail and tutanota
[21:21]	bagira	earthling: i can confirm first hand they have a channel that the network dumps registrations to as well, and if they see a disposable email account they'll kline.  i have even tested by putting hints in the password and they'll spot it right away.
[21:22]	techuser	they are both shit, but at least "trustworthy" registrable shit
[21:22]	earthling	i am not interest in registering with libera
[21:22]	techuser	another account if k-line
[21:22]	techuser	use matrix.org and Element to register
[21:22]	techuser	over Tor
[21:22]	bagira	yeah i just cycle through identities all day on there, its all automated
[21:22]	earthling	so far, noone was willing to touch my unregistered nickname yet, and they know who i am by the means of what i say
[21:23]	bagira	i am like 3 people that actively participate in various projects there and they think they're 3 different people 
[21:23]	earthling	moment ago i was muted for 24h, which is OK too, as long as i can say what i want, and what had to be said was
[21:25]	britney	you know the name "earthling" is something an alien (perhaps reptilian) might use to pretend to be human
[21:25]	earthling	britney: my real nickname is aggi
[21:25]	bagira	what i do for anonymity is i use a "network profile" "brand" for each one, and i use a separate one for myself to calibrate what theyre looking for, so, they see "linode, this domain, must be bagira"
[21:25]	bagira	and then my alts all have completely different fingerprints
[21:26]	britney	yo dawg, we herd u liked surveillance so we put surveillance inside your surveillance so you can get watched while you get watched
[21:27]	DaemonFC	"Point is, unless something changes drastically, I'm just simply not sure where the future of the Web is going. Nowhere good, I'm sure. You can already just barely get an ad blocker for SeaMonkey, and it's because Raymond Hill still cares that there are users who find it useful."
[21:28]	DaemonFC	"As for other extension developers, they don't seem to be paying SeaMonkey any attention. If they did, they'd also have to keep a version of a Firefox "WebExtension" around. It's not like SeaMonkey got to retain its powerful "XUL" extensions. It gave that up when it brought in the "Firefox Quantum" version of Gecko. "
[21:28]	TR News	Soccer converging with films industry... https://www.mancity.com/citytv/mens/together-champions-again-trailer-63793910
[21:28]	TR Bot	 Coming soon | Together: Champions Again!
[21:28]	DaemonFC	"Firefox is an ongoing disaster with SeaMonkey in tow."
[21:28]	bagira	i think firefox is still recovering from the mr. robot scandal
[21:29]	DaemonFC	"I can only imagine how the developers of SeaMonkey must feel about this. From the outside looking in, I'd compare it to being in the car with a drunk driver."
[21:29]	DaemonFC	schestowitz ^
[21:29]	DaemonFC	How's that sounding?
[21:30]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[21:30]	britney	earthling, what was that software you use to get a tiling wm inside the terminal?
[21:30]	DaemonFC	I checked in on Pale Moon. That's going even worse than it was before.
[21:30]	earthling	on github, my nickname was hijacked though, i am not aggi on github
[21:30]	DaemonFC	There was a major drama bomb a while back where one of the developers got into a slap fight with "M.C. Straver" and started sabotaging the project.
[21:30]	earthling	britney: dvtm terminal multiplexer (spawned on top of yaft)
[21:32]	bagira	in all fairness "M.C. Straver" does sound like a WWE wrestler name
[21:32]	prurigro	earthling: as someone who uses a terminal for basically everything except web browsing, image editing and some chat programs, that sounds interesting- how do you find it compared to tmux?
[21:33]	earthling	prurigro: tmux is good quality software, dvtm is easier to hack and customize
[21:33]	MinceR	(dog) https://files.explosm.net/comics/Dave/shittydawg.png   ( https://explosm.net/comics/dave-shittydawg#comic )
[21:33]	TR Bot	& Happiness (Explosm.net)
[21:34]	prurigro	I have a fairly customized tmux setup going, but I guess if I wanted to extend it with something it straight up doesn't do I'd have a hard time without patching the source code
[21:34]	prurigro	are there any cool things you've configured it to do?
[21:34]	britney	prurigro, earthling doesn't use anything he hasn't personally inspected by reading the code himself
[21:35]	earthling	another problem, i bundled various components, yaft,dvtm,abduco,patches,configs into a package called dmux
[21:35]	prurigro	I'd like to be able to say the same, but once you're in gui land it starts getting difficult to audit everything
[21:35]	earthling	in fact, what i prefer over tmux is a fully integrated terminal "desktop environment" which i named dmux
[21:36]	TR News	KDB again https://www.mancity.com/citytv/mens/manchester-city-club-america-highlights-63793949
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[21:36]	prurigro	DE stuff? like a task bar and notifications?
[21:36]	DaemonFC	bagirain all fairness "M.C. Straver" does sound like a WWE wrestler name
[21:37]	britney	DaemonFC, I miss Eddie Guererro 
[21:37]	DaemonFC	Tune in Friday night as M.C. Straver takes on THE UNDERTAKER! Let's get ready to RUMBLLLLLLLLEEEEEE!!!!!!
[21:37]	britney	I lie, I cheat, I steal!
[21:37]	britney	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUHIm-besFw
[21:37]	TR Bot	https://invidious.weblibre.org/watch?v=kUHIm-besFw
[21:37]	TR Bot	invidious.weblibre.org | Eddie Guerrero 9th WWE Theme Song "Lie, Cheat & Steal" - Invidious
[21:38]	earthling	prurigro: there was various tiny missing pieces, such as session timeout, screensaver integration, kernel keyboard mappings, status bar, etc. etc.
[21:39]	earthling	i didn't like the mouse support of yaft, re-implemented this to have a tiny copy-paste buffer at least
[21:39]	prurigro	a screensaver even, haha, crazy! does the session timeout lock it? 
[21:40]	earthling	of cause it does
[21:40]	britney	earthling is pretty cool, i'd never be able to handle running a TUI
[21:40]	earthling	although, this depends on use case, because dvtm too can be used for "screen sharing" over ssh, really depends
[21:40]	prurigro	yaft's 256 colour support sounds nice vs a vterm
[21:41]	earthling	prurigro: it is!
[21:41]	bagira	DaemonFC: i lost track of all of that while it was still WWF and not WWE
[21:41]	bagira	around the time mankind retired
[21:42]	earthling	and it got sixel support too, fully compatible with ssh... nothing extra necessary
[21:42]	prurigro	the colour thing drove me crazy trying to get a nice terminal setup I didn't need to rely on xorg for- and sixel would be super key if you were going full terminal wouldn't it
[21:43]	earthling	it's not that simple, nonetheless, sixel support fills a niche nicely
[21:43]	bagira	prurigro: instead of tmux i just use i3 and a single term, i only use tmux or screen for when i need persistence
[21:43]	DaemonFC	I don't know much about "professional wrestling" other than that hilarious N64 game whose graphics were so bad that it looked like one of them was butt raping the other one and I got weird looks whenever I laughed at it.
[21:43]	earthling	which is, i can attach to any dmux session over ssh, and see pictures
[21:43]	prurigro	I was thinking the other day, if you could have a simple html parser create a jpg out of an html email, you could use sixel to display it
[21:43]	earthling	or gemini
[21:44]	earthling	too i tested mplayer libsdl1/sixel output, which worked on top of suckless st terminal
[21:44]	earthling	i could watch video over ssh now
[21:44]	prurigro	bagira: how do you manage having tons of stuff running? fg?
[21:44]	earthling	with yaft there is some bug remaining
[21:44]	DaemonFC	Nintendo has a really long history of making awful consoles that for whatever reason, they work out anyway.
[21:44]	bagira	prurigro: workspaces and keyboard combos
[21:45]	DaemonFC	They always have a better ratio of good title to absolute crap than Microsoft or Sony, even though the latter just throw processing power at the problem and sit back and light cigars on fire while the developers do whatever the hell they want to with the console.
[21:45]	prurigro	ah, so multiple terminals? the issue I have there is that you can't access the same setup nicely over ssh
[21:46]	DaemonFC	Nintendo games are always more rewarding to play. Like, you're proud of yourself because you kept getting killed until you stopped to think about how to solve this for a minute.
[21:46]	bagira	prurigro: yes i have about 40 terms and 200 browser tabs across many windows open at any given point in time, so, it comes in handy
[21:46]	prurigro	earthling: yo that's crazy- I remember back in the day using... I think svgalib? to play videos in mplayer without X11. I didn't realize sixel could be performant in the same way 
[21:46]	DaemonFC	The XBOX and Playstation tend to have games that are all a bunch of "Oh I'll just go in there with a bunch of guns and kill everything that's moving.".
[21:46]	DaemonFC	Once you figure out how to do that, the game progresses.
[21:46]	prurigro	over ssh is even crazier
[21:47]	earthling	prurigro: sixel are very very very slow, with mplayer/sdl1/sixel of ffmpeg/sixel
[21:47]	DaemonFC	I was a huge fan of SEGA though, until their Microsoft deal put them under.
[21:47]	bagira	sega was timeless
[21:47]	DaemonFC	They were paying Microsoft for shit-ass Windows CE, which the thing didn't even need because it already had a GREAT operating system.
[21:48]	earthling	just wanted to see, if it was possible, to transfer some surveillance cam dat
[21:48]	earthling	dat
[21:48]	bagira	i still have sonic 2 levels burned into my permanent memory
[21:48]	DaemonFC	Then they got shot in the back by Microsoft after handing them their last remaining cash.
[21:48]	earthling	data
[21:48]	DaemonFC	schestowitz ^
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[21:48]	DaemonFC	That's also timeless. Companies handing Microsoft a pile of cash and going bankrupt only to get shot in the back by Microsoft.
[21:49]	DaemonFC	Ubuntu has a version of this going on with a twist. Hand all of our customers over to Microsoft by telling them to use WSL instead of Ubuntu, and then get shot in the back by Microsoft.
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[21:49]	prurigro	earthling: ahh ok, that's more like what I would have expected, but still very cool that you can. how do you play videos you want running at a decent frame rate?
[21:50]	earthling	prurigro: i use what was always good enough before, mplayer-1.4/libsdl1/fbcon
[21:50]	bagira	lol fwiw the engineers who insist WSL is a worthy development environment consistently fail
[21:51]	prurigro	earthling: mplayer because mpv dropped framebuffer suport?
[21:52]	earthling	prurigro: there was some _nasty_ changes in the dependency graph in userspace (putting aside kernel and DRM inside there)
[21:52]	earthling	i will keep it at mplayer1.4/libsdl1/fbcon; no libdrm/mesa/opengl, none of this
[21:53]	britney	earthling, have you ever considered running Plan9?
[21:53]	prurigro	bagira: I know two people who've been using WSL- both have had major breakages, one tried to upgrade ubuntu right after installing it (you should never ever upgrade ubuntu, so maybe we can't blame WSL here? but it was a vanilla install lol), and the other lost a ton of important work when the filesystem image decided to corrupt itself randomly
[21:53]	earthling	britney: i couldn't easily say yes, although more than once i did arrive at reading about it
[21:53]	bagira	dont run plan9 unless its for research
[21:53]	prurigro	earthling: and it still plays modern video files?
[21:53]	bagira	its educational, truly, but you dont want to actually use it for stuff
[21:54]	DaemonFC	"To give an example of how badly "mail" has devolved under Microsoft, one of my attorneys PAYS them for Microsoft "365". It crashes all the time, it loses attachments. It's a complete disaster. I had to resort to uploading sensitive documents onto a Google Drive and then deleting them as soon as she told me she had it(!) to get around Microsoft's shit that people actually pay for!"
[21:54]	britney	bagira, what do you run?
[21:54]	bagira	britney: surro linux
[21:54]	earthling	prurigro: modern how?
[21:54]	britney	bagira, i use arch btw
[21:54]	prurigro	earthling: vp9, for example
[21:54]	earthling	i keep it at software-decoding _only_, which limits maximum resolution of cause, with a low-power cortex a53
[21:55]	earthling	prurigro: didn't try, moment, need to check what i compiled ffmpeg with
[21:55]	britney	bagira, i use gnome, firefox, brave, element, discord, hexchat, vlc, keepassxc
[21:55]	prurigro	ahh even 1.4 was using ffmpeg eh?
[21:56]	earthling	prurigro: if it is media-libs/libvpx i didn't activate this with ffmpeg, seems i missed that one
[21:56]	prurigro	maybe it always was? for some reason I felt like it came with its own codecs back in like 2001 or so- I remember EU software patents were going to shut it down because of those at one point
[21:57]	MinceR	britney: you should make a fork of Arch called "Arch BTW"
[21:57]	britney	MinceR, LOL but its the trademark phrase of arch linux already
[21:57]	britney	my hostname is "archbtw" tho lol
[21:57]	MinceR	well, that solves it
[21:57]	prurigro	"arch btw" is definitely a maymay
[21:58]	MinceR	you could install void, set hostname to "archbtw"
[21:58]	MinceR	and "i'm using archbtw"
[21:59]	earthling	strangely i missed the vpx use flag... i'll try with the next release
[21:59]	prurigro	oh funny- not that you really need it until you find a file you want to play that uses it
[21:59]	britney	i have a freebsd virtual machine called "freebsdbtw"
[21:59]	earthling	if libvpx doesn't contain any c++ or cmake and is C99 complaint then chances are it will compile just fine
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[22:01]	prurigro	c++ is bad for your setup?
[22:01]	britney	c++ is bad for anyones setup
[22:01]	earthling	prurigro: i invested almost a year of work to remove ALL c++ dependencies from userspace
[22:01]	prurigro	lol, touche
[22:01]	bagira	oh it is not
[22:01]	bagira	c++ is fine
[22:01]	britney	c++ is trash
[22:02]	britney	http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/
[22:02]	TR Bot	 C++ is Good for the Economy, It Creates Jobs!
[22:02]	prurigro	I definitely prefer nice, clean C if I can get it, but I've never turned down C++
[22:02]	bagira	what screws up C++ is about a third of the syntax features shouldn't be used
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[22:02]	DaemonFC	I found a can of smoked herring.
[22:02]	bagira	ok two thirds
[22:02]	MinceR	C won't be nice or clean at the code size C++ was designed for
[22:02]	earthling	i do maintain various toolchains/cross-compilers, and any c++ component is easily added again, that's not my argument
[22:02]	MinceR	i've seen people trying to do with C and it was very error-prone
[22:03]	earthling	anyone willing to add any c++ with related compiler dependencies etc may do so
[22:03]	MinceR	s/to do with/to do OOP with/
[22:03]	earthling	however, it was rather difficult to remove it and keep a useful userspace, which i got now with a custom c-only toolchain system profile maintained with gentoo
[22:04]	prurigro	what was your goal? just to make it easier to audit everything?
[22:04]	earthling	many reasons, technical arguments, the conclusions drawn from this may differ
[22:05]	TR News	Watch Techrights closely the next 3 days for explosive leaks regarding software patents at EPO
[22:05]	earthling	prurigro: i had enough of this when g++ hit OOM regularly, 1GiB of RAM per g++ instance didn't suffice anymore
[22:05]	prurigro	MinceR: there are large projects that use C and seem to run well- linux is largely C is it not?
[22:05]	prurigro	earthling: ahh, it's more of a technical limitation eh?
[22:05]	MinceR	and they're desperate to switch to rust
[22:05]	MinceR	also, linux is bloated
[22:06]	earthling	another reason was, gcc was re-implemented in c++, hence i blocked at gcc-4.7, and for the sake of it fck the rest
[22:06]	prurigro	they're not rewriting linux in rust, they're just adding support- like support for C++ exists
[22:06]	prurigro	at least based on what I've read
[22:06]	earthling	prurigro: it is NOT possible anymore to compile linux kernel with a C-compiler
[22:06]	britney	im learning Golang as my first language because i dont like python
[22:06]	prurigro	yeah, that's a bit of a shame
[22:06]	earthling	it is the coffin nail drilled into both the linux and gcc
[22:07]	prurigro	lol @ "Arguing that Java is better than C++ is like arguing that grasshoppers taste better than tree bark. Thant Tessman"
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[22:07]	earthling	OpenJDK is implemented with c++
[22:08]	DaemonFC	Fedora 37 is dropping 32-bit OpenJDK.
[22:08]	prurigro	you're not missing much by losing support for java apps
[22:08]	DaemonFC	Allegedly because nobody is sure of what it does if you use it and they can't be bothered to find out.
[22:09]	DaemonFC	Just going ahead and killing more of 32-bit x86 leaves them with fewer oddities to figure outl
[22:10]	britney	<prurigro> lol @ "Arguing that Java is better than C++ is like arguing that grasshoppers taste better than tree bark. Thant Tessman"  <-- what about CRICKETS
[22:10]	DaemonFC	Most people don't need Java anymore because the main use for it was to run things hosted on Web sites.
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[22:10]	DaemonFC	They finally bloated the Web so much that allowing Java in the browser just "complicates" things the Web platform already does.
[22:10]	MinceR	(cat) (audio) https://i.imgur.com/a97XldG.mp4
[22:11]	MinceR	britney: they taste like chicken?
[22:11]	prurigro	britney: everyone loves crickets, everyone will eat crickets- it's the way of the future! THE WAY OF THE FUTURE!!!
[22:11]	britney	https://cerberusinvestigations.neocities.org/reptilian-agenda.html
[22:11]	TR Bot	 Cerberus Investigations - The Reptilian Agenda
[22:11]	prurigro	MinceR: a friend has some mexican salsa with crickets in it and said they're very very crunchy
[22:11]	MinceR	:)
[22:11]	britney	prurigro, that sounds awesome
[22:11]	prurigro	likely crunchier than chicken skin
[22:11]	britney	i actually want to try crickets
[22:12]	britney	chocolate covered crickets might be fun
[22:12]	MinceR	britney: that's the third time you spammed that exact URL
[22:12]	britney	MinceR, yeah it mentions the conspiracy to put crickets in food
[22:12]	britney	reptilians like bugs
[22:12]	MinceR	so exciting.
[22:12]	MinceR	do they also like humans?
[22:13]	DaemonFC	Raping underage ones.
[22:13]	prurigro	they must if they're helping us maintain our protein levels
[22:13]	DaemonFC	The Democrats were infiltrated by them and President Trump was about to personally arrest them all.
[22:13]	MinceR	maybe we'll also have long pig
[22:13]	DaemonFC	That's why he had to be stopped, you know.
[22:13]	prurigro	maybe not to eat
[22:14]	MinceR	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk01eeKMD_I
[22:14]	TR Bot	https://invidious.esmailelbob.xyz/watch?v=dk01eeKMD_I
[22:14]	TR Bot	invidious.esmailelbob.xyz | It's a Cookbook!!! - Invidious
[22:14]	DaemonFC	What I can't tell is how the Republican Party managed to turn Trump, a guy who is so grossly obese and out of shape and senile, and old, that he can barely make it down a few steps, into someone that's 10 feet tall, shitting bullets, and the essence of manhood.
[22:15]	MinceR	easy
[22:15]	MinceR	they didn't.
[22:15]	prurigro	yeah, that was all people on twitter making memes
[22:29]	DaemonFC	schestowitz I'm still going on into another phase of this article.
[22:29]	DaemonFC	Into how SeaMonkey isn't the problem. The Web is a problem. And I linked two of Richard Stallman's articles about that, which I agree with.
[22:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=TjXzu6IfXYI
[22:30]	TR Bot	 Hail Hydra English / German |HD| MARVEL FILM - Invidious
[22:32]	britney	DaemonFC, you're using an old browser and you're complaining that the web evolved?
[22:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	lol, he looks like the guy in EPO who piushed swpats right nnow https://yewtu.be/watch?v=_AUs3J995Fc
[22:33]	TR Bot	 Arnim Zola Alive In A Computer Part 2 - Captain America The Winter Soldier 2014 - Invidious
[22:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	eber
[22:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	weber
[22:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=KyEDA0f2MzA
[22:33]	TR Bot	 Captain America First Avenger (2011) - Berlin is on This Map - Invidious
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[22:38]	TR Bot	 Stable Kernels: 5.15.56, 5.10.132, 5.4.207, 4.19.253, 4.14.289, and 4.9.324 | Tux Machines
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[22:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=xmAlBzxYTHk
[22:42]	TR Bot	 Winter Soldier: End Credits - Invidious
[22:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	I cannot find the bonus segment fof winter soldier
[22:45]	DaemonFC	schestowitz This may be the longest thing I've ever posted.
[22:45]	DaemonFC	Already.
[22:46]	DaemonFC	It's going back and forth between a description of SeaMonkey and  a diatribe against the Web and people who use Cloud Computing.
[22:46]	DaemonFC	With an occasional detour to blast Firefox, Mozilla, and Chrome.
[22:47]	bagira	i wonder if brandon ever lit his pipe in the white house
[22:48]	bagira	we know snoop dogg hotboxed a j in the white house bathroom, but brandon may hold the title
[22:51]	britney	DaemonFC, i use brave btw
[22:52]	DaemonFC	I just called Internet Explorer 11 a better browser than Chrome when Microsoft pulled the plug on IE.
[22:52]	britney	ewwwww
[22:53]	bagira	why would anyone believe that
[22:53]	bagira	its objectively a worse browser
[22:55]	earthling	it's all spyware by design
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[22:55]	DaemonFC	I pointed out how even IE TPLs are a better ad blocker than what Manifest V3 will allow in Chrome.
[22:55]	britney	earthling, you think everything is spyware though
[22:55]	earthling	no, i don't think so
[22:55]	bagira	yeah designing anti-ad-block tech into the browser is borderlie unethical
[22:55]	bagira	*borderline
[22:55]	MinceR	nothing borderline about it
[22:55]	britney	earthling, everything except the stuff you run on your rock64 desktop
[22:55]	earthling	it's useless
[22:56]	MinceR	but that's what the industry is like
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[22:56]	earthling	britney: i try to keep it as clean as possible
[22:56]	MinceR	mozilla and gulag are in this race of "who can make a worse browser"
[22:56]	britney	MinceR, what is your opinion of Brave?
[22:57]	MinceR	seems to be an improved chromium
[22:57]	bagira	lol brave is just chrome with extra steps
[22:57]	MinceR	pity it doesn't run on any of the BSD-s
[22:57]	MinceR	hopefully those extra steps remove some malicious behavior
[22:57]	britney	bagira, brave is chrome without the spyware
[22:57]	prurigro	brave is a pretty big mod of chromium
[22:57]	MinceR	they certainly add an ad blocker gulag doesn't get to ruion
[22:57]	MinceR	s/uio/ui/
[22:58]	earthling	the only canidate remaining for a graphical browser, which may pass acceptence criteria, is netsurf-motif (not gtk for the sake of it)
[22:58]	britney	it is a shame that there is no brave for BSD
[22:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.58 k/sec., IPFS upstream 20.78 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[22:59]	britney	I wonder if brave would work in freebsd's linux emulator 
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[23:00]	MinceR	i don't care
[23:00]	bagira	lol
[23:00]	MinceR	freebsd was taken over and ruined before linux was
[23:00]	DaemonFC	I called SeaMonkey the Dick Van Dyke of Web browsers. It's still with us, reminding us of a more civilized time.
[23:00]	britney	MinceR, taken over?
[23:00]	bagira	MinceR: are you referring to the iX/PCBSD era?
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[23:00]	TR Bot	 [Teaser] EPO President F Delivers Instructions to Georg Weber | Techrights
[23:00]	earthling	there isn't any browser remaining anymore
[23:00]	MinceR	mostly to MICROS~1 and apple influence and particularly to the CoC they adopted before Linux did
[23:01]	earthling	the last firefox passing acceptance criteria was 3.6.28
[23:01]	prurigro	earthling: no love for dillo?
[23:01]	MinceR	it would be pointless for me to leave Linux because of the CoC and switch to FreeBSD
[23:01]	earthling	prurigro: i digged through all of them, what's inside portage tree
[23:01]	earthling	i cannot remember anymore why i refrained from dillo
[23:02]	prurigro	not using a gui seems like a reasonable reason for your use case
[23:02]	earthling	prurigro: dillo depends on FLTK, and FLTK is written in C++
[23:02]	prurigro	aha!
[23:02]	earthling	if this is ok for you, nothing wrong with it.
[23:03]	prurigro	seems like dillo is dead anyway- the domain is gone
[23:03]	prurigro	which is a shame- it seems like it was still around as recently as april
[23:04]	earthling	if a graphical browser was desired, i think netsurf-motif port to linux was the candidate
[23:04]	earthling	i prepared an ebuild for this, it compiles, it runs, it crashes.... 
[23:04]	earthling	simply got no time to maintain this, and i got no use for this either
[23:04]	earthling	because, there isn't any real benefit anymore, in comparison to lynx/w3m/links
[23:05]	earthling	none of those browsers are sufficient for online banking, navigation of job portals, online shops
[23:05]	earthling	and web browsers which are, fail with all other criteria
[23:05]	prurigro	true, sites that don't work in lynx/w3m/links aren't gonna work in anything but webkit, blink or webrender
[23:06]	earthling	some month ago, i brought back to life some older webkit version, with a custom frontend named BadWolf
[23:07]	earthling	and removed the WASM support from this... result being then webkit isn't any different to what netsurf or w3m could offer
[23:07]	earthling	three years ago, i kept maintaining firefox-3.6.28 for another few month... until the python2 dependency nuked compilation
[23:08]	earthling	firefox 3.6.28 too was more secure than any later version of this
[23:08]	earthling	it's javascript engine, for example, it didn't violate some W^X policies, which i patches support into linux kernel
[23:08]	earthling	same thing, firefox 3.6.28, practically useless nowadays
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[23:15]	earthling	then for some more month, i maintained the last non-Rust version of Seamonkey, until python2 inside buildsystem caused trouble
[23:16]	earthling	once Seamonkey integrated with rust/llvm, i wiped that once and for all eternity
[23:16]	matey	then he hung himself in a room full of other hitler-loving cunts and died
[23:16]	matey	so sad
[23:16]	matey	heres a riddle
[23:17]	matey	if 100,000 right wing germans were chained together at the bottom of the ocean
[23:17]	matey	how the fuck are we supposed to set them on fire?
[23:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	ask BP for help
[23:17]	matey	creative
[23:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	british engineeing
[23:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	got leaked
[23:17]	matey	yeah, sometimes its good to have "leaks"
[23:18]	matey	 from corporations
[23:18]	matey	with bp not always
[23:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	we have a lak somin
[23:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	The EPO Bubble Part X A Leaked E-mail Provides Some Clues...
[23:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	proofreading it now
[23:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	it mocks an austrian
[23:18]	matey	the epo really reminds me of dr evils organisation
[23:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	wait till next meme
[23:18]	matey	its that much of a caricature
[23:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's ready
[23:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/hydra-epo.mp4
[23:19]	matey	of course bezos is exactly like him
[23:19]	matey	and amazon is enough like what #2 tried to "pivot" towards
[23:19]	matey	but if epo gets any worse i bet the guy-- battis-- campinos? battistelli ii?
[23:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	italian name
[23:20]	matey	will have those push buttons installed so that he can just drop people that work there into some kind of pit or whatever
[23:20]	matey	"hows the latest report coming on adobe on your mac"
[23:20]	matey	oops, that the linux-destroying foundation
[23:20]	matey	MAYBE THEYLL MERGE
[23:21]	matey	the european linux office
[23:21]	matey	because the original elo was too cool
[23:21]	matey	of course "linux" means "patent portfolio"
[23:21]	matey	but it already means windows, which is basically a patent portfolio
[23:21]	matey	so it totally works
[23:21]	matey	"linux" = patents
[23:22]	matey	linux office = patent office
[23:22]	earthling	matey: there isn't at least 100000 germans remaing anywhere on earth
[23:22]	earthling	if you find any tell me
[23:22]	bagira	did you just use a logical identity property proof to say windows = linux?? :/ 
[23:23]	matey	no im being cynical, but really its a parody of what the industry is already doing
[23:23]	matey	i cant be blamed for parody
[23:23]	matey	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=x85E2rpa2VQ
[23:23]	TR Bot	 Randy Newman - The Story Of A Rock & Roll Band (Ode to Electric Light Orchestra, ELO) (1980) HD - Invidious
[23:23]	bagira	A => B, A >> B
[23:23]	earthling	not so fast, matey called for mass murder publicly in this channel, and i would want to ask some more about this
[23:23]	matey	no i did not
[23:23]	bagira	all cower before the modus ponens
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[23:23]	matey	but youre welcome to say so
[23:24]	bagira	its a joke
[23:24]	matey	next to templeos is awesome and einstein is an idiot
[23:24]	earthling	2022-07-21 22:17:01 <matey> if 100,000 right wing germans were chained together at the bottom of the ocean                                                      2022-07-21 22:17:09 <matey> how the fuck are we supposed to set them on fire?
[23:24]	matey	bagira before any wires get crossed, im also replying to what earthling is saying
[23:24]	bagira	jesus man, germany is one of the most progressive nations on earth these days, let them grow lol
[23:25]	earthling	germany ceased to exist, decades ago
[23:25]	earthling	not sure what you're talking about tbh
[23:25]	bagira	uh
[23:25]	bagira	huh?
[23:25]	matey	ill explain
[23:25]	matey	i know people throw the term "nazi" around to mean "anyone i disagree with"
[23:26]	matey	with that said, earthling is about as close as you can get to the real thing and still try to deny it
[23:26]	earthling	matey: not people, you said this.
[23:26]	earthling	i am referring to what YOU, ONLY YOU, had just said
[23:26]	matey	earthling: essen mein sheisse
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[23:26]	TR Bot	 The EPO Bubble Part X A Leaked E-mail Provides Some Clues | Techrights
[23:26]	matey	pigdog
[23:26]	earthling	let me ask, how many need to be killed for you to feel pleasure?
[23:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	^^
[23:26]	matey	actually youre more of a pigdogs arsehole
[23:26]	bagira	civilization is measured by how we treat the worst elements in society.  punching nazis probably feels good but its barbarism at the end of the day.
[23:27]	earthling	does this elevate your moral superiority over whatever you feel you were?
[23:27]	matey	rofl you stupid worthless cunt
[23:27]	matey	people like you killed millions like me, and you think this is an ego thing
[23:27]	matey	go put a grenade in your mouth and arse and pull the pins
[23:27]	matey	try to set yourself on fire first
[23:27]	earthling	i never killed anyone, and among my family there weren't any NAZI party members
[23:28]	matey	youre still worse than an idiot
[23:28]	earthling	in fact, among my family, i knew of at least three casualties to bolshevist terror
[23:28]	matey	people like you dont have the balls to fight
[23:28]	bagira	you can't teach inclusion and acceptance with exclusion and denial
[23:28]	matey	but you cheer on war crimes and genocide
[23:28]	earthling	and now, i am reading this, in here, matey, what you said
[23:28]	matey	youre a hypocrite to the core, and the only reason someone else SHOULDNT kill you themselves is youre certifiably fucking nuts
[23:29]	bagira	who's certifiably nuts
[23:29]	bagira	i speak only truth
[23:29]	earthling	2022-07-21 22:17:01 <matey> if 100,000 right wing germans were chained together at the bottom of the ocean
[23:29]	earthling	2022-07-21 22:17:09 <matey> how the fuck are we supposed to set them on fire?
[23:29]	bagira	to fix the human you must acknowledge their humanity
[23:30]	matey	/me nods
[23:30]	MinceR	22 002829 < bagira> you can't teach inclusion and acceptance with exclusion and denial
[23:30]	MinceR	you can't teach inclusion or acceptance
[23:30]	bagira	yes you can
[23:30]	MinceR	but you might be able to defend yourself
[23:31]	matey	/me has been listening to this literally fascist spew for ages
[23:31]	matey	of course, in the right wing version of freedom of speech
[23:31]	matey	you dont have any freedom to talk back to it
[23:31]	earthling	i am not citing an arbitrary spew
[23:31]	matey	because that infringes on 
[23:31]	matey	wait... nothing at all
[23:31]	earthling	i am citing yours, matey, only yours
[23:31]	bagira	im just saying you can't fix fascism with the concepts it rests on
[23:32]	matey	thats true, depending obviously on which concepts you mean
[23:32]	earthling	the concept being matey intends to burn 100000 humans, quote see above
[23:32]	bagira	you can destroy fascist organizations but the cultural components that created it are still there unless you fight the concepts driving the people, and that requires acknowledgement of their humanity
[23:32]	earthling	STOP
[23:33]	earthling	not any arbitrary organization or idealogy
[23:33]	matey	nein nein nein
[23:33]	earthling	just what matey said and wants, only this, only him
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[23:33]	TR Bot	 [Meme] So I Wrote an Algorithm | Techrights
[23:33]	matey	whenever someone disagrees with him he assumes its arbitrary and unjustified
[23:33]	MinceR	bagira: how can you defeat the memes someone's mind has already been thoroughly infested with?
[23:33]	matey	mincer: happens all the time
[23:34]	matey	maybe not at scale
[23:34]	matey	/me blames godwin for everything
[23:34]	bagira	MinceR: by rejecting memeology in its entirely
[23:34]	MinceR	and?
[23:34]	matey	i reject any and all influence!
[23:34]	earthling	i am not presenting this out of context here, just what matey said, only him
[23:34]	earthling	come on, said it again
[23:35]	bagira	MinceR: memes are just a kind of propaganda and when you identify it in your interaction as a manipulative conceptual device it gets used less if you raise your expectations of who you're talk to
[23:35]	matey	earthling: take it up with a tribunal
[23:35]	matey	maybe the united nations will listen to you
[23:35]	bagira	*talking
[23:36]	matey	maybe lieplanet will invade the channel and drag away people who hurt your feelings
[23:36]	MinceR	bagira: that never worked for me, and afaict it doesn't work for people in general
[23:36]	bagira	works for me
[23:36]	earthling	i am not asking any UN or tribunal, i am asking YOU matey 
[23:36]	MinceR	you can expect all you want from e.g. religious zealots and fascists, it isn't going to make them listen to you
[23:36]	matey	earthling: i dont work for you, i dont answer to you
[23:36]	MinceR	or to reason
[23:36]	matey	if you didnt constantly evade it, i wouldnt even see the idiot shit you say
[23:37]	matey	and if you werent constantally evading with your spam like some cunt selling erection pills via mass email
[23:37]	matey	i wouldnt respond to you with nastiness
[23:37]	matey	please feel free to kill yourself
[23:37]	bagira	i wonder why no one ever talks about the palestinian human rights crisis thats been going on longer than most of us have been alive
[23:37]	earthling	allright
[23:38]	earthling	now we got: call for mass murder to please matey 
[23:38]	earthling	and call for suicide to please matey
[23:38]	bagira	oh.  i know.  it's because they try to fight back since they know no one is going to help them.
[23:38]	matey	god its like youre one of kuhns people pretending to be on the other side
[23:38]	MinceR	bagira: a combination of people not caring and people not believing it can be fixed, i guess
[23:38]	matey	do you and mjg work together?
[23:39]	matey	the victim complex is strong
[23:40]	bagira	kinda hard to talk about modern day fascism without acknowledging what's happening in the gaza strip
[23:40]	matey	without acknowledging what's happening in the gaza strip <- amen to that
[23:41]	MinceR	modern day fascism is pretty much everywhere
[23:41]	bagira	sure, there's history on both sides, but fascism is fascism
[23:41]	matey	oh its been fascism for ages
[23:41]	matey	einstein and hannah arendt wrote to the new york times (it was published)
[23:41]	earthling	70% of NAZI SA troopers were COMMUNISTS, "beefsteak nazis"
[23:41]	earthling	go ahead, explain
[23:42]	matey	complaining that israeli zionists were acting JUST LIKE the nazis he escaped
[23:42]	MinceR	what a difference!
[23:42]	matey	earthling, you have the same problem mjg does
[23:42]	MinceR	fascists with red stars
[23:42]	matey	you think people owe you an explanation, like its a god-given right
[23:42]	earthling	and this question was it, which got me banned from "freenode" #politics some years ago
[23:42]	matey	sorry to disappoint, not sorry
[23:42]	matey	this
[23:42]	matey	isnt
[23:42]	earthling	because supposedly i was conflating this and that, which i didn't
[23:42]	matey	freenode
[23:42]	bagira	earthling: i think you're getting hung up on the self-identification of "socialist party" which carried a different implementation than you would associate with socialism by modern definitions
[23:42]	matey	this is NOTHING like freenode, other than the protocol 
[23:43]	earthling	it is, just a question, what type of mindset that is, which presents itself as "victim" such as matey when calling for mass murder
[23:43]	matey	the dumbest thing about your question is it was answered
[23:43]	earthling	poor victim
[23:43]	matey	RIGHT BEFORE you asked it
[23:43]	matey	youre just too fucking stupid to see it
[23:44]	matey	you constantly spew retarded bullshit and you evade filters people set up so they dont have to listen to you shit out of your mouth
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[23:44]	matey	how many nicks have you used?
[23:44]	techuser	I used a lot of nicks on Discord
[23:45]	matey	you dont get banned, no one cares if you do or dont
[23:45]	techuser	SomeH4x0r was meant to be just another one, just fucked things up
[23:45]	earthling	i am only swapping nicks in here
[23:45]	techuser	*SomeHacker actually
[23:45]	bagira	i cycle through nicks like they're cups of coffee
[23:45]	matey	you arent doing what hes doing, techuser
[23:45]	earthling	in oftc/libera/freenode i was known by the same name for many years
[23:45]	techuser	I was registering a new Discord account each time, new nickname
[23:45]	matey	there are legitimate reasons to use different nicks
[23:45]	matey	if this was ban evasion i wouldnt even say anything
[23:46]	bagira	if i stick with one i like i eventually tie it back to my identity though
[23:46]	matey	people evade bans. thats an effect of bans being too heavy handed
[23:46]	techuser	supposedly to say something without it being linked to a single identity
[23:46]	matey	earthling has a new nick every other day
[23:46]	matey	ive ignored him like 10 or more times
[23:46]	matey	it gets old
[23:46]	techuser	/ignore evasion
[23:46]	bagira	i'll take that a step further that people are *obligated* to evade bans on shithole exclusionist surveillance-heavy networks
[23:47]	matey	i'll take that a step further that people are *obligated* to evade bans on shithole exclusionist surveillance-heavy networks <- i dont dispute this
[23:47]	matey	as i said, if it was ban evasion i wouldnt even say anything
[23:47]	bagira	make it a blow up every time they take unnecessary action
[23:47]	earthling	2022-07-21 22:17:01 <matey> if 100,000 right wing germans were chained together at the bottom of the ocean
[23:47]	earthling	2022-07-21 22:17:09 <matey> how the fuck are we supposed to set them on fire?
[23:47]	matey	youre a moron
[23:47]	earthling	out of nowhere... 
[23:47]	matey	if you think youre going to spew shit all day
[23:47]	MinceR	https://files.explosm.net/comics/Kris/easter11.png   ( https://explosm.net/comics/kris-easter-11#comic )
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[23:47]	matey	with some right to never have people shit back at you
[23:47]	matey	youre a moron
[23:48]	earthling	if at least you could explain, how this is related to the topic discussed before
[23:48]	matey	ive explained it twice
[23:48]	earthling	you didn't
[23:48]	matey	have hermann goering draw you a fucking picture
[23:48]	bagira	there's a topic? i thought we were just saying that sounds cool until we run out of things to say
[23:48]	matey	he thinks theres a topic
[23:48]	matey	hes in his own delusional world
[23:48]	MinceR	liquid nitrogen
[23:48]	MinceR	liquid helium
[23:49]		*psydruid has noticed (some?) Germans really believe in their own exceptionalism and their moral superiority with respect to pretty much every other people, which hints at a severe case of delusion
[23:49]	bagira	liquid lsd
[23:49]	matey	#notallgermans
[23:49]	MinceR	i suspect that's not limited to germans
[23:49]	matey	really, im not entirely fair to them collectively
[23:49]	earthling	"Germans"
[23:49]	matey	limited, no
[23:49]	matey	its more of a tendency
[23:49]	MinceR	many people took readily to fascism
[23:49]	earthling	as far as i can tell, the appeal of moral superiority stems from elsewhere
[23:49]	MinceR	hungarians, russians, usians for example
[23:50]	MinceR	serbs
[23:50]	matey	germans seem to think theyre the only country with a right to oppress other countries
[23:50]	matey	or perhaps, theyre the only country looked down on for doing so
[23:50]	MinceR	russians believe the same
[23:50]	MinceR	red chinese believe the same
[23:50]	matey	which has to be why they love russia so much
[23:50]	MinceR	serbs believe the same
[23:50]	matey	because now theyre both "victims" of a "misunderstanding"
[23:50]	MinceR	humans are just shit in general
[23:54]	psydruid	some former East German guy I've talked to in a chat has been saying that he wants to go hunt down Russians (Zorcs) and kill all 166 million of them
[23:54]	psydruid	when I tell him that is hypocritical and people may have wanted to do the same thing with Germans (I refer to them as Dorcs in this context), he finds all kinds of excuses saying that they have reformed and are much better people now
[23:54]	bagira	MinceR: theyre a product of their environment
[23:54]	matey	that would literally be overkill
[23:54]	matey	some russians are really nice people
[23:54]	matey	also, the idea that most support this bullshit is propaganda in and of itself
[23:55]	matey	the main reason america is making it look like ukraine cant lose is they (officially, at the top) want ukranians as "operation get behind the darkies", the albino version
[23:55]	bagira	MinceR: unless they're an arby's franchise owner who decides they shouldn't put the red ranch sauce on their beef and cheddar, those people can just go to hell
[23:55]	MinceR	lol
[23:55]	matey	america pulled the same shit in the same region (with germany) in wwii
[23:56]	MinceR	yes, there's a nice minority
[23:56]	matey	im hopeful for ukraine but ive decided not to cheer them on any further
[23:56]	bagira	wtf is up with arby's these last few years anyway, their bread is like theyve been pulling it out of a freezer since the 90s
[23:56]	MinceR	which usually doesn't get to have a say in much of what happens
[23:56]	matey	/me noticed a drop in arbys quality 20 years ago and hasnt gone back
[23:57]	matey	if theyve dropped again id recommend just diving into the dumpster at kfc, it cant be as bad as arbys is now
[23:57]	MinceR	dunno, there are no arby's here
[23:57]	bagira	if theyd just order fresh buns again theyd be a hit again
[23:57]	matey	well thats one good thing about hungary, if its the only thing
[23:57]	matey	no arbys
[23:57]	matey	when tasty period runs out of the genuine article and has to make their own
[23:57]	matey	instead of just covering the old logo with a marker pen
[23:58]	matey	that will look like the ritz carlton next to
[23:58]	matey	etc
[23:58]	bagira	you know youre doing something wrong when mcdonald's has better bread quality than your food chain
[23:58]	matey	wendys vs arbys
[23:58]	matey	round 1-- fight!
[23:58]	TR News	The EPOs Georg 'HYDRA' Weber looks like some of the baddies in Captain America; it makes jokes hard to resist http://techrights.org/2022/07/21/georg-weber-joke/
[23:58]	TR Bot	 [Teaser] EPO President F Delivers Instructions to Georg Weber | Techrights
[23:58]	bagira	i am
[23:58]	bagira	absolutely certain
[23:58]	bagira	that there is a porn about that
[23:58]	MinceR	lol
[23:59]	TR News	European software patents have been ushered in by Benot Battistelli (grant rates soared from 2% to 10%) and leaked communications suggest that Antnio Campinos intends to take this disturbing trend a lot further (whilst attempting to replace European patent courts with his UPC kangaroo courts) http://techrights.org/2022/07/21/leaked-email-epo-swpats/
[23:59]	TR Bot	 The EPO Bubble Part X A Leaked E-mail Provides Some Clues | Techrights
[23:59]	bagira	ron mcdonald and wendy
[23:59]	matey	i dunno, japan made a female ronald mcdonald and i havent gotten her out of my head for years
[23:59]	TR News	Another homage to Georg Weber, who wants to protect coders by taking away their freedom to code with an ocean of European software patents http://techrights.org/2022/07/21/removing-freedom-algorithm/
[23:59]	TR Bot	 [Meme] So I Wrote an Algorithm | Techrights