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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: why does the DOJ not go ahead and also arrest the mafia family and ringleader?Aug 21 00:14
schestowitzBarr knows they committed vastly bigger crimesAug 21 00:14
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: There's something fishy going on here. The DoJ doesn't fart without a signed permission slip from Trump these days, since the purges.Aug 21 00:14
DaemonFC[m]Like I said, if they want these guys to go away on felonies, they have something on Trump.Aug 21 00:15
DaemonFC[m]He's taking care of it. He can probably say "Play ball and don't talk before the election, and I can arrange a pardon.".Aug 21 00:15
DaemonFC[m]So they might get out on bail, and they'll be able to move around without leaving the country.Aug 21 00:16
DaemonFC[m]Then the trial will happen after November, and if they keep their goddamned mouths shut, who knows.Aug 21 00:16
DaemonFC[m]Perhaps not.Aug 21 00:16
DaemonFC[m]But he's already distancing himself from them.Aug 21 00:17
DaemonFC[m]The tweet saying he always thought We Build The Wall was a bad idea and intended to upstage him and make him look bad went out just minutes after the Acting US Attorney of the Southern District of New York's press release.Aug 21 00:17
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today’s howtos []Aug 21 00:18
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: The US Attorney's office is not great news for defendants, for a lot of reasons.Aug 21 00:18
DaemonFC[m]The federal government has more resources to grind you into dust if you won't accept a plea bargain.Aug 21 00:19
DaemonFC[m]Also, if you get convicted on state charges, you can work your way through two court systems and you have a better chance of convincing a judge somewhere along the way that your trial was fucked up.Aug 21 00:19
DaemonFC[m]If you're busted on federal charges, then what the laws and constitution of your home state say don't matter.Aug 21 00:20
DaemonFC[m]It's harder to find a defect in the government's case with one system than with two.Aug 21 00:20
schestowitzThere's always money for lawyersAug 21 00:21
schestowitznot for SNAPAug 21 00:21
DaemonFC[m]State judges can generally apply the US constitution to strike down a state law, but they generally don't like to do that. Aug 21 00:21
DaemonFC[m]Indiana tried a blanket ban on porn at one point, decades ago.Aug 21 00:21
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mozilla: XUL, WebAuthn, Privacy Accessibility, and Tor []Aug 21 00:22
DaemonFC[m]States grappled with their own attempts at outlawing "indecency" and by the 1970s, the US Supreme Court stepped in and created the "Miller Test".Aug 21 00:22
DaemonFC[m]Something that is indecent but not obscene is generally protected by the First Amendment. Something that is obscene isn't, however..... The test is three pronged and it has to be found obscene under all definitions, which is impossible.Aug 21 00:23
MinceRwould have been better and easier to just disallow banning anything on basis of "obscenity"Aug 21 00:25
schestowitzobscenity is subjectiveAug 21 00:26
DaemonFC[m]It leaves enough room that courts can uphold laws that ban, for example, handing porn to a minor. Aug 21 00:26
schestowitzsome people find particular judges of "obscenity" to be obsceneAug 21 00:26
MinceRthey could have called it the "Nobody Cares If You're Offended" RuleAug 21 00:27
DaemonFC[m]When the charges in that Arizona case fell apart because the state failed to prove that the 16 year old intentionally downloaded the 6 CP images, they went after him for showing a Playboy magazine to his friends at school.Aug 21 00:27
DaemonFC[m]Then put him on the sex offender list for that.Aug 21 00:27
DaemonFC[m]Prosecutors can always find something, even if something else falls apart.Aug 21 00:28
DaemonFC[m]Say that one of these four idiots from We Build The Wall agrees to talk to investigators.Aug 21 00:28
DaemonFC[m]Along the way, they say anything that is untrue.Aug 21 00:28
DaemonFC[m]Something happens in court and the government can't prove conspiracy. They'll just come back and hit them with making false statements.Aug 21 00:28
DaemonFC[m]Or, they could add making false statements to the original charges and give it to the jury as another charge to consider.Aug 21 00:29
DaemonFC[m]You have to be very careful when you talk to a government official.Aug 21 00:29
DaemonFC[m]If I told the probation officer anything that was untrue, it's making false statements to a police officer.Aug 21 00:30
DaemonFC[m]So I kept that in mind when talking to her.Aug 21 00:30
DaemonFC[m]<MinceR "they could have called it the "N"> Oh that's just too easy.Aug 21 00:31
DaemonFC[m]I always laughed about those people who are offended by every TV show.Aug 21 00:31
DaemonFC[m]Nobody is making them watch it.Aug 21 00:31
DaemonFC[m]They can ban it in their own house with the cable box.Aug 21 00:31
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: It's like the episode of South Park where Rob Reiner comes to town with his anti-smoking campaign.Aug 21 00:33
DaemonFC[m]Cartman says "It's like smoking brings that man a little bit of joy in his day and you get to take that away from him. You're my hero!".Aug 21 00:33
MinceR:>Aug 21 00:34
DaemonFC[m]These people trying to get Rick & Morty banned are doing it because they don't want other people to be allowed to watch it.Aug 21 00:34
DaemonFC[m]But when that lady in Michigan complained to the FCC about Married with Children, their Nielson ratings went up over 40% when it got reported on the evening news.Aug 21 00:34
DaemonFC[m]So I don't think they're doing what they think they're doing.Aug 21 00:34
DaemonFC[m]It's free advertising for Rick & Morty and people will watch it because someone is trying to take it away from them.Aug 21 00:35
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Instead of getting Al Bundy canceled, the lady in Michigan later admitted that she probably got them renewed for a few seasons that they may not have gotten.Aug 21 00:36
DaemonFC[m]Al Bundy beat Cancel Culture in the 90s and I think Rick & Morty will just do the same thing. Maybe they'll even have Rick break the fourth wall to insult their critics, like Married with Children did to "some lady in Michigan" a couple of times.Aug 21 00:37
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: The lady in Michigan actually prompted the writers to come up with an episode where a TV company does a show based on the Bundys, but "It got canceled because some lady in Michigan complained about it.". That line went to Marcy. Aug 21 00:38
schestowitzpeople want to see what other people do NOT want them to seeAug 21 00:38
schestowitzit makes a sort of allureAug 21 00:38
schestowitzMarcy DarcyAug 21 00:38
schestowitzthey used to joke she was like a "dude"Aug 21 00:39
DaemonFC[m]Yeah a chicken with no breasts.Aug 21 00:39
schestowitzthat would get canceled todayAug 21 00:39
DaemonFC[m]Al came up with like 300 variations on that insult.Aug 21 00:39
DaemonFC[m]Including telling her to cluck off.Aug 21 00:39
schestowitzwith boycotts and burning tyresAug 21 00:39
schestowitzwell, that's Fox... now they have their own sex scandalsAug 21 00:40
schestowitzThe Official Ubuntu Blog is again boosting Microsoft attack on GNU/Linux. Again and again.Aug 21 00:40
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ubuntu on WSL 2 Backported to Windows 10 1903 and 1909, Extending Reach | UbuntuAug 21 00:40
schestowitzOSI GM has resignedAug 21 00:40
schestowitzthe whole thing collapsesAug 21 00:40
schestowitzas they intendedAug 21 00:40
schestowitzthey infiltrated everythingAug 21 00:40
schestowitzRed Hat Gives Award to MicrosoftAug 21 00:41
schestowitzCanonical promotes Windows in its Ubuntu blogAug 21 00:41
schestowitznow phoronixAug 21 00:42
schestowitz 21 00:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft Is Backporting WSL2 To Their Windows 10 2019 Releases - PhoronixAug 21 00:42
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Remember Bug #1.Aug 21 00:44
XRevan86 – how the comment and the source material drastically differAug 21 00:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Massive mistake by #mozilla was canning all the extension and screw...Aug 21 00:44
DaemonFC[m]"Microsoft has a majority market share."Aug 21 00:44
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: When I went to visit the We Build The Wall site, it downloaded over 30 MB to show their page.Aug 21 00:45
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Graphics and Multimedia: AV1, GStreamer, NVIDIA, VALLIUM []Aug 21 00:46
DaemonFC[m]Flashy website meant to wow people, and many of the before and after pictures aren't even of the same area.Aug 21 00:54
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: De-Googling: Chrome []Aug 21 00:54
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MinceR21 014428 < DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz: Remember Bug #1.Aug 21 00:57
MinceRcanonical doesn'tAug 21 00:57
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Panel Improvements Merged Ahead Of The Forthcoming Xfce 4.16 []Aug 21 00:57
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Audiocasts/Screencasts and Videos About GNU/Linux []Aug 21 01:01
schestowitz[00:44] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz: Remember Bug #1.Aug 21 01:10
schestowitzI keep saying that any time they boost WSLAug 21 01:10
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: I will write about this in an hour or soAug 21 01:10
schestowitzother shitty newsAug 21 01:11
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schestowitzI will connect those thingsAug 21 01:11
schestowitzmaybe you'll still be awake and can check over it with me...Aug 21 01:11
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DaemonFC[m]Someone uploaded the director's cut of Hollow Man.Aug 21 01:16
DaemonFC[m]There's no saving that movie. That was one of the movies in Sony's fake review scandal.Aug 21 01:16
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: IBM/Red Hat Leftovers []Aug 21 01:17
schestowitzthe world is full of fakes, DaemonFC[m]Aug 21 01:18
schestowitzrule of thumb: you are constantly  surrounded by posersAug 21 01:18
schestowitzprofessionally and outside work, tooAug 21 01:18
schestowitzyour sister in law is one exampleAug 21 01:18
schestowitzthe astroturfing online is tooAug 21 01:18
schestowitzI think that, in general, we're quite genuine and modest hereAug 21 01:18
schestowitznow compare that to corporatesAug 21 01:19
schestowitzand oligarchsAug 21 01:19
schestowitzbill gates showmanship backfires nowAug 21 01:19
schestowitzmost people of his class keep a low profileAug 21 01:19
schestowitzand they have reasons toAug 21 01:19
kingoffrancenever assume ppl have any idea what they are doingAug 21 01:20
schestowitz"give me more debt... I mean, credit"Aug 21 01:20
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: GSoC Reports: KDE, GNOME and Python []Aug 21 01:26
schestowitzkingoffrance: Jim Zemlin has run "Linux" Foundation for 13 yearsAug 21 01:26
schestowitzhe does not use Linux :DAug 21 01:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Chicago police ban protests near Mayor Lightfoot’s home, sparking First Amendment debate | WGN-TVAug 21 01:32
DaemonFC[m]“I make no apologies whatsoever for that. We are living in a very different time. I  have seen the threats that have come in. I have an obligation to keep my home, my wife, my 12-year-old, and my neighbors safe,” Lightfoot said.Aug 21 01:33
DaemonFC[m]So does everyone, and it's nice that the cops are barricading her house off and have her under 24 hour protection when most people in Chicago live where the police might show up to a murder scen e an hour later and cannot buy a gun.Aug 21 01:33
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Kernel and Linux Foundation Miscellany []Aug 21 01:36
schestowitzexcuses and justifications are brought up to make exceptions for laws and constitutions, DaemonFC[m]Aug 21 01:37
schestowitzeven droning citizensAug 21 01:37
schestowitzI see lots of this at the EPOAug 21 01:41
schestowitzit's like rule by decreeAug 21 01:41
schestowitzone person does anything he or she wants based on "taste" or "goal"Aug 21 01:41
schestowitzthe written rules cease to matterAug 21 01:42
DaemonFC[m] 21 01:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-‘When you’re late, you're late’: Kanye falls short in Wisconsin - POLITICOAug 21 01:42
schestowitzyou just need to invoke "emergency"Aug 21 01:42
DaemonFC[m]Republicans are trying to get Kanye West on the ballot to sabotage Biden.Aug 21 01:42
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: he's a trollAug 21 01:42
schestowitzlet's focus on real issueAug 21 01:42
DaemonFC[m]But he was 14 seconds late in filing.Aug 21 01:42
schestowitznot trolls as "news"Aug 21 01:42
DaemonFC[m]They figure some people will vote for Kanye West because he's black.Aug 21 01:42
DaemonFC[m]A few thousand could be enough to swing the state to Trump.Aug 21 01:43
DaemonFC[m]Well, he won't be on the ballot there because he missed the deadline by 14 seconds. That was really funny.Aug 21 01:43
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: GOP loves black people... as enablers of white supremacistAug 21 01:43
DaemonFC[m]Trevor Noah made fun of that.Aug 21 01:43
DaemonFC[m]"Why can't that work for other things? Sorry Officer, this driver's license was valid a month ago. Close enough, right?".Aug 21 01:43
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Assault rifles and armored trucks: Illinois police agencies have obtained $4.7 million in military gear since Trump lifted restrictions on a federal surplus programAug 21 01:47
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, guns are dangerous, except when you turn the police into a military.Aug 21 01:47
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: “buy a monster Linux laptop” []Aug 21 01:48
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schestowitzmany in the police came from the militaryAug 21 01:52
schestowitzso in effect you tell them, "get guys, the people you serve and protect are now enemy combatant, shoot at will, here are some rubber ones"Aug 21 01:52
schestowitz"hey guys, the people you 'serve and protect' are now enemy combatants, shoot at will, here are some rubber ones"Aug 21 01:53
schestowitzsome typos amendedAug 21 01:53
DaemonFC[m]It's really disgusting how people like my parents put these jack booted thugs on the street and in the middle of the most gut wrenching recession now we have cops with machine guns killing people and nobody does anything of course.Aug 21 01:55
DaemonFC[m]Even gave them military costumes to walk around in. While the government they voted for (Trump) destroys our economy, our freedom, and even cost 200,000+ Americans their age (so far) their lives.Aug 21 01:55
schestowitzyupAug 21 01:57
schestowitzland of the freeAug 21 01:57
schestowitzfree to vote... in person... for TrumpAug 21 01:57
schestowitz"more sir, please, keep on going"Aug 21 01:57
DaemonFC[m]You know, 200,000 isn't really enough of them out of the way to ensure that Trump goes bye bye, but it's a mild positive benefit that they won't be voting anymore. You can say that's cruel if you want. I'm not glad they're dead, but I'm glad they won't be voting anymore. Less chance of another fuck up because mom and dad's confederates are going away.Aug 21 01:57
schestowitz"yes, officer, i will spread"Aug 21 01:57
schestowitzAssange's mom keeps direct-messaging meAug 21 01:58
schestowitzthey're desperate for public supportAug 21 01:58
schestowitzUS wants him deadAug 21 01:59
schestowitzone way or anotherAug 21 01:59
schestowitzhe might die in prison soonAug 21 01:59
schestowitzhas health issuesAug 21 01:59
DaemonFC[m]Assange deserves whatever he gets, honestly. He puffed up the "Hillary Clinton email nothingburger" that my delusional parents think is somehow worse than perhaps a million dead Americans from Trump's "biggest in the world" Coronavirus disaster.Aug 21 02:00
schestowitzhe did want revenge on HRCAug 21 02:01
schestowitzand to be fair, he didn't have any ammo on Trump at that pointAug 21 02:01
DaemonFC[m]Really, I don't even know how my dad stayed at Thomson for so long. The Chinese are obviously a lot smarter and more willing to play the long game than my parents ever could be.Aug 21 02:01
DaemonFC[m]That's why the Chinese are running roughshod over America now, while my parents put in this assclown.Aug 21 02:02
schestowitzlolAug 21 02:02
schestowitzwell, both have an autocratAug 21 02:02
schestowitzbut the life quality evens out, sort of...Aug 21 02:02
schestowitzthe quality of >average< American's life isn't what it was in the 1990sAug 21 02:02
DaemonFC[m]My dad is a wannabe Ernst Rohm in KMart jeans.Aug 21 02:03
schestowitzfrom what I can gather, those who relished on "middle class" with some debt are no longer doing wellAug 21 02:03
schestowitzcan barely pay off their college days' loansAug 21 02:03
DaemonFC[m]He sent me a letter saying he was praying for me. Aug 21 02:03
schestowitzpraying for what?Aug 21 02:04
DaemonFC[m]I wanted to snark at him, "Oh, who do the Scientologists pray to?".Aug 21 02:04
schestowitzProctoglogist Aug 21 02:04
schestowitzbecause they're full of shiteAug 21 02:04
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: that's emotional blackmailAug 21 02:05
schestowitzwhen you pray for someone who isn't ill and never asked for itAug 21 02:05
schestowitz"thanks for praying, thanks for playing"Aug 21 02:05
schestowitz"now quit talking to yourself, it ain't making a difference"Aug 21 02:05
*schestowitz prays for MinceRAug 21 02:06
DaemonFC[m]I give up. There is OBVIOUSLY nobody that is answering prayer. Look what's going on. These people say, "Oh God blessed us with Trump!". Yeah, a demented adulterer who files bankruptcy 6 times and works with the mafia and Russian money launderers. He blessed us with the Coronavirus. Lots and lots of the Coronavirus.Aug 21 02:07
DaemonFC[m]OMFG THESE IDIOTSAug 21 02:07
schestowitzanother 1000+ covid19 deaths for the day, even with reduced testing and defunct cdcAug 21 02:07
DaemonFC[m]How could you look at what Trump has done in this country and conclude that we're in good shape and that a loving God exists and did it to us?Aug 21 02:07
schestowitzchief and deputy stepped downAug 21 02:07
DaemonFC[m]It's beyond retarded.Aug 21 02:07
schestowitzyes, wellAug 21 02:08
schestowitzbutter emailsAug 21 02:08
schestowitzobama is a muslimAug 21 02:08
schestowitzthat kenyan!Aug 21 02:08
schestowitzbut rice!Aug 21 02:08
schestowitzand holder!Aug 21 02:08
schestowitzblm... terrorists!Aug 21 02:08
schestowitzmulsim brotherhoodAug 21 02:08
MinceRschestowitz: thoughts and prayers!Aug 21 02:08
schestowitzthe libs!Aug 21 02:08
schestowitzMinceR: no!Aug 21 02:08
schestowitzJust prayersAug 21 02:08
schestowitzstfuAug 21 02:09
schestowitz:-DAug 21 02:09
MinceR 21 02:09
schestowitzMinceR: thoughts require thinkingAug 21 02:09
schestowitzprayer does notAug 21 02:09
MinceR_saying_ some bullshit about thoughts, on the other hand, does not :>Aug 21 02:09
DaemonFC[m]I know why my mom believes in this crap suddenly. It's terrifying in a way, you know. When the walls close in on you and you realize you're getting older and nobody is around to help. People are always asking me why I plan for what to do when shit falls over. It's because shit falls over. Everyone around you is a fucking backstabber, and you need to get used to it and plan for it.Aug 21 02:10
DaemonFC[m]Divine intervention is....unlikely.Aug 21 02:10
MinceR 21 02:10
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: is your brother doing ok?Aug 21 02:11
schestowitzthe young one, maybe the mom is losing hope altogetherAug 21 02:11
DaemonFC[m]It's fatiguing, you know, when behind every disaster is another fucking disaster. Nothing half this bad would have happened if the US didn't have such failed, garbage, wretched leadership.Aug 21 02:11
schestowitzwhat was the last good leadership?Aug 21 02:12
schestowitzlook at national debtAug 21 02:12
DaemonFC[m]But it's going to have to play out now. Hopefully, my parents aren't so committed to Trump's lies and bullshit that they run around with their masks off licking doorknobs like the rest of the Republicans.Aug 21 02:12
schestowitzthe oil wars in the middle east lost the US karma (intl public opinion) and fiscal controlAug 21 02:12
schestowitz700k covid tests in US in past dayAug 21 02:13
schestowitz44k positiveAug 21 02:13
schestowitzso... about 7%?Aug 21 02:13
schestowitzwish there was a graph for tests per day... there must be one, somewhere..Aug 21 02:14
*DaemonFC[m] uploaded an image: Screenshot_20200820_201422.png (881KiB) < >Aug 21 02:14
schestowitzonly 45 reported dead with covid in hawaiiAug 21 02:14
schestowitzit's like adults are in chargeAug 21 02:15
DaemonFC[m]Well, they are literally on an island where they can ban travelers and contain outbreaks and don't have to deal with idiot Republicans bringing more of it to their state if they get it under control. Also, not too many black people throwing house parties like in Chicago.Aug 21 02:16
DaemonFC[m]Areas with lots of Republicans and/or black people are getting whacked harder by this because they don't have the goddamned IQ of a turnip to share between them.Aug 21 02:17
schestowitzalaska 29 deadAug 21 02:17
schestowitzthey live far apartAug 21 02:17
schestowitzoh, 700,000 residentsAug 21 02:17
schestowitzI thought even lessAug 21 02:18
schestowitz427,379 tests for 731,545 Aug 21 02:18
schestowitzwell done Aug 21 02:18
schestowitzmost people were testedAug 21 02:18
schestowitzonly 82 new casesAug 21 02:18
schestowitzsorry, 31k testsAug 21 02:19
schestowitzso 427,379 tests per millionAug 21 02:19
schestowitz*312kAug 21 02:19
schestowitz 21 02:36
DaemonFC[m]Conservatives be all like "I don't get it. He didn't even take office before we started making false accusations of Socialism and calling him Barack the Magic N****r. What could possibly have set race relations back so far? Why can't the stupid blacks just understand that Trump is trying to help them and us by causing the most job losses on record?"Aug 21 02:38
DaemonFC[m]Trump has actually made things shittier in America, will be the SECOND the last of the unemployment runs out, than they have ever been in Venezuela.Aug 21 02:39
DaemonFC[m]You know, some states aren't even taking the money. It's not because they don't want it. It's because as soon as a court declares Trump's scheme illegal, they don't want to have to pay it back. Tax revenues are looking pretty bad right now and everyone is trying to make things someone else's problem.Aug 21 02:40
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Bannon was arraigned and pled Not Guilty.Aug 21 02:42
DaemonFC[m]He and Kolfage better butter up their cornholes because they're going to motherfucking prison.Aug 21 02:42
DaemonFC[m]Kolfage won't be able to run very far. Bannon at least has a chance at not squealing like a pig.Aug 21 02:43
DaemonFC[m]it is nice to know that if you wait around long enough, bad things really can happen to bad people.Aug 21 02:44
DaemonFC[m]There's nothing to say that one or both of them won't try to sell the other one out to the prosecutor to get the best deal. You know how criminals are. Aug 21 02:45
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "so 427,379 tests per million"> Yeah, Indiana is at about 177,000 per million, so they have absolutely no idea what's really going on, and the Republicans spent so many years making healthcare unaffordable there that most people make the hospital the last place they go. Even mom filed bankruptcy to get away from them as she rants and raves about how great this is.Aug 21 02:48
DaemonFC[m]I didn't file bankruptcy primarily to get away from medical debt. If that had been all that happened to me last year, I would have paid it.Aug 21 02:49
CrystalMathDaemonFC[m]: and you said black people don't have the IQ of a turnipAug 21 02:49
DaemonFC[m]It was satisfying to include Village of Fox Lake in my bankruptcy and throw in an ambulance ride that was higher than my fine.Aug 21 02:49
CrystalMathi think that you're a racist, but above all, very exclusionary personAug 21 02:50
DaemonFC[m]<CrystalMath "DaemonFC: and you said black peo"> No, what I actually said was you don't even get that if you put them and the Republicans together.Aug 21 02:50
CrystalMathwell that's still badAug 21 02:50
DaemonFC[m]The Democrats at least think they mean well even though they're very racist.Aug 21 02:50
DaemonFC[m]Then when they have a bunch of homeless black people in their neighborhood they start freaking out and demanding the Mayor's head.Aug 21 02:50
DaemonFC[m]Telling her they're too afraid to go out after 6 PM.Aug 21 02:51
CrystalMathwell that's trueAug 21 02:51
CrystalMathabout democratsAug 21 02:51
CrystalMathbut i think republicans, with an individualistic view (especially the libertarians there)Aug 21 02:51
DaemonFC[m]I'm a Democrat only in the sense that there's one party that's smart enough to stay away from the virus and wear a face mask and another party that's basically licking doorknobs.Aug 21 02:51
CrystalMathare betterAug 21 02:51
DaemonFC[m]So you have to be pretty fucking stupid to be a Republican.Aug 21 02:52
CrystalMaththe individualistic view doesn't look at your skin colorAug 21 02:52
CrystalMathit looks at the resultsAug 21 02:52
CrystalMathmeritocracy, you see?Aug 21 02:52
schestowitzDaemonFC[m] conflates poverty with blacknessAug 21 02:52
DaemonFC[m]What Lightfoot has going on in Chicago right now is exactly the same shit that put Rudy Guiliani in the mayor's office in New York City.Aug 21 02:52
schestowitzeven where stats show that infection rates are highest not among blacksAug 21 02:53
schestowitzand they're living in more congested conditions, not by choice...Aug 21 02:53
DaemonFC[m]The infection rate among black people in Lake County, IL is roughly 4x higher per capita than in whites.Aug 21 02:53
DaemonFC[m]They do not do anything to protect themselves from it.Aug 21 02:53
DaemonFC[m]The way they are acting in the middle of this is gross as all hell.Aug 21 02:54
CrystalMathmaybe they'd prefer to let 2% of them dieAug 21 02:54
CrystalMathlike if i gave you a box of 50 skittles, and told you 1 will surely kill youAug 21 02:54
CrystalMathwould you take exactly one from the box?Aug 21 02:54
CrystalMathi think that i wouldAug 21 02:54
DaemonFC[m]Mom asked me the other day "What do you call people who murder the elderly and infirm because they're a burden on the state?". I said, "Well, the Nazis did that.".Aug 21 02:55
CrystalMathi don't think the virus has a reasonAug 21 02:55
CrystalMaththe virus just messes upAug 21 02:55
DaemonFC[m]She goes, "What's the name for it?". "I said, well, generally, euthanasia, but when the Nazis did it, they didn't ask first and then respect the person's wishes, you know.".Aug 21 02:55
CrystalMaththe virus isn't a naziAug 21 02:56
DaemonFC[m]Then we still have a situation where they don't treat mental health issues as debilitating enough to want to end your life.Aug 21 02:56
CrystalMathalso, plenty of old people surviveAug 21 02:56
CrystalMathand yetAug 21 02:56
DaemonFC[m]It's kind of odd if you ask me. People with bipolar are like 10 times more likely to kill themselves. Maybe they don't want to live.Aug 21 02:56
CrystalMath40yos sometimes dieAug 21 02:56
DaemonFC[m]I plod along somehow.Aug 21 02:56
CrystalMathi have bpdAug 21 02:57
DaemonFC[m]I think there should just be centers where people who want to die are allowed to.Aug 21 02:57
CrystalMathsometimes i really hate myselfAug 21 02:57
DaemonFC[m]I'd probably have done it already, honestly, at some points in my life.Aug 21 02:57
schestowitzbut you changed your mindAug 21 02:58
DaemonFC[m]Keeping people alive against their wishes is a form of torture. The Christians don't see it that way. There's a commission they set up to see if they can get people to stop throwing themselves in front of Metra trains.Aug 21 02:58
schestowitzand this is why those things are not made availableAug 21 02:58
DaemonFC[m]I got yeah, let them get an overdose of pain meds and go quietly and there will be less Metra suicides.Aug 21 02:58
CrystalMathwhat about hanging on a doorknob?Aug 21 02:59
CrystalMatheveryone can do thatAug 21 02:59
DaemonFC[m]The only thing you people worry about, obviously is if the train will be 4 hours late to your job. This solves both problems, right?Aug 21 02:59
CrystalMathEpstein did it despite all oddsAug 21 03:00
CrystalMath:PAug 21 03:00
schestowitzLOL, HN has not "FLAGGED" the article to techrightsAug 21 03:00
schestowitzand does not even specify whyAug 21 03:00
schestowitznothing at allAug 21 03:00
DaemonFC[m]HN?Aug 21 03:00
schestowitzso IBM petition about the employerAug 21 03:01
schestowitzis "flagged"Aug 21 03:01
schestowitzHackerNewsAug 21 03:01
DaemonFC[m]Oh.Aug 21 03:01
DaemonFC[m]The guy who rented me a parking spot in Chicago had a really weird email.Aug 21 03:02
DaemonFC[m]overdozAug 21 03:03
DaemonFC[m]LOLAug 21 03:03
CrystalMathis everyone ignoring me here?Aug 21 03:03
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux in Devices/Embedded []Aug 21 03:07
DaemonFC[m]> is everyone ignoring me here?Aug 21 03:08
DaemonFC[m]NoAug 21 03:08
schestowitzno.Aug 21 03:09
CrystalMathohAug 21 03:09
CrystalMathsorryAug 21 03:09
schestowitzmany lurkAug 21 03:09
CrystalMathi broke a bone and i'm trying to distract myselfAug 21 03:09
CrystalMathfrom the painAug 21 03:10
schestowitzwhich bone?Aug 21 03:12
schestowitzI think you can get painkillers for it, from a medicAug 21 03:12
CrystalMathfractured plantar bone on the footAug 21 03:13
CrystalMathi suppose i could take someAug 21 03:14
schestowitzI hurt my leg yesterday for no apparently reasonAug 21 03:16
schestowitzmuscle crampAug 21 03:16
schestowitzbut it's gone today, I forgot all about it since you mentioned the aboveAug 21 03:16
DaemonFC[m]I picked up Mandy. Cooking dinner.Aug 21 03:16
schestowitzback pains are likely worstAug 21 03:16
schestowitzas you cannot stop using the spine unless you lie down, and then you can do just about nothingAug 21 03:17
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: cook his phoneAug 21 03:17
schestowitzwaste of moneyAug 21 03:17
schestowitzmoney down the toilet, aja tondo riverAug 21 03:17
schestowitz*akaAug 21 03:17
schestowitzI'll get started with some articles now...Aug 21 03:18
schestowitzrss feeds clean...Aug 21 03:18
DaemonFC[m]He has high standards for coming from Tondo.Aug 21 03:27
DaemonFC[m]He gets after me for going in the sink sometimes.Aug 21 03:27
DaemonFC[m]I'm not fancy.Aug 21 03:28
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: almost ready, the articleAug 21 03:47
schestowitzit's short and still sort of punctualAug 21 03:47
schestowitzare you about?Aug 21 03:52
DaemonFC[m]Yeah. THe pressure cooker will take about 20 minutes.Aug 21 03:55
schestowitz 21 03:55
schestowitzthis is very shortAug 21 03:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | OSI’s Chief Steps Down, Canonical Advertises Windows Again, and Red Hat Gives Award to Microsoft | TechrightsAug 21 03:55
schestowitzbut visualAug 21 03:55
schestowitzconcise with linksAug 21 03:55
schestowitz*they'veAug 21 04:00
DaemonFC[m] 21 04:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-American Airlines dropping service to 15 cities. This is likely only the beginning - CNNAug 21 04:01
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: did you read it?Aug 21 04:01
DaemonFC[m]It's ridiculous that the capital of Illinois is not Chicago. Aug 21 04:01
DaemonFC[m]Oh, will do now.Aug 21 04:01
schestowitzless air travel = goodAug 21 04:02
schestowitzmoney swapping hands just to burn TONS of fossils fuel per passenger may be good for "the economy" but very harmful to everything elseAug 21 04:02
DaemonFC[m]"collapses as a desirable end."Aug 21 04:04
DaemonFC[m]collapsing is a desirable endAug 21 04:04
DaemonFC[m]"OSI’s President, Josh Simmons, who"Aug 21 04:05
DaemonFC[m]John Simmons. HeAug 21 04:05
DaemonFC[m]Turns it into two sentences to deal with the run-on.Aug 21 04:05
schestowitzokAug 21 04:07
DaemonFC[m]Maybe mention Matt Asay's tenure at Canonical and how he tried to stuff it with Mono.Aug 21 04:08
DaemonFC[m]What else did he do?Aug 21 04:08
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: OPEN SOURCE has WON -- Microsoft (means, "we won", "GitHub won", "free software died")Aug 21 04:08
DaemonFC[m]Didn't they make Banshee the default media player in Ubuntu for a while?Aug 21 04:09
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: no connection to monoAug 21 04:09
schestowitzmaybe another Microsoft hire of CanonicalAug 21 04:09
schestowitztheir desktop managerAug 21 04:09
schestowitzSpencerAug 21 04:09
schestowitzRichard IIRCAug 21 04:09
DaemonFC[m]I like how there was a Mono community. Such a great community that all of the Mono desktop software suddenly stopped being developed when Novell went under.Aug 21 04:09
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: OSI’s Chief Steps Down, Canonical Advertises Windows Again, and Red Hat Gives Award to Microsoft “OPEN SOURCE has WON” — Microsoft (means, “we won”, “GitHub won”, “free software died”) []Aug 21 04:10
DaemonFC[m]Nobody willing to point out that those attacks saying that was anti-Mono FUD were part of the fake community that disappeared the minute Novell did.Aug 21 04:10
DaemonFC[m]Now we're back to the same shit from different assholes with WSL and friends.Aug 21 04:10
schestowitzGithub = mono teamAug 21 04:11
schestowitzFriedmanAug 21 04:11
schestowitzsimilar peopleAug 21 04:11
schestowitzximian and guthrieAug 21 04:11
schestowitznovell and guthrieAug 21 04:11
schestowitzxamarin and guthrieAug 21 04:11
schestowitzit's the same routineAug 21 04:11
DaemonFC[m]There's no real good use for WSL. If anything, virtualizing Windows on Linux for legacy reasons would be more interesting.Aug 21 04:11
schestowitzthey pump billions into this attackAug 21 04:12
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: yesAug 21 04:12
schestowitz150k people used wsl2 at one point Aug 21 04:12
schestowitzaccording to AriadneAug 21 04:12
DaemonFC[m]People don't seem to be going to Windows, and it's not technically capable of running high demand stuff like Linux is. So why would people move to it as the Host?Aug 21 04:12
schestowitzwho was able to extrapolateAug 21 04:12
Ariadneit is probably up to 250k by now.Aug 21 04:12
schestowitzstill lowAug 21 04:12
Ariadnei haven't looked at the numbers lately.Aug 21 04:12
DaemonFC[m]250,000 in the entire world.Aug 21 04:12
schestowitzthey refuse to even talk about itAug 21 04:12
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: yesAug 21 04:12
DaemonFC[m]Wow.Aug 21 04:12
schestowitzit was 150kAug 21 04:12
schestowitzmonths agoAug 21 04:13
Ariadnei think it is actually unfortunate that mono diedAug 21 04:13
schestowitzit's not deadAug 21 04:13
schestowitzin linux it might be Aug 21 04:13
DaemonFC[m]There's still a game I use it for.Aug 21 04:13
Ariadnei mean for writing FOSS desktop applicationsAug 21 04:13
schestowitzas many distros don't bother much with pinta, tomboy etc.Aug 21 04:13
DaemonFC[m]A replacement for the Command & Conquer and Dune 2000 engines for the late 90s/early 2000s games.Aug 21 04:13
schestowitzit brings in with it a raft of .dll hellAug 21 04:13
Ariadnedespite .NET originating from Microsoft, managed code does improve programmer productivityAug 21 04:13
schestowitzvala is still thereAug 21 04:14
Ariadneschestowitz: shared linking in general is DLL hell.  package managers just do a decent job of cleaning up the mess.Aug 21 04:14
schestowitzquite activeAug 21 04:14
DaemonFC[m]Except that it doesn't even work predictably on Windows itself.Aug 21 04:14
schestowitzblog posts several times from vala devs this yearAug 21 04:14
Ariadneanyway, i suspect most people wanting the benefits of managed code will just use rust instead.Aug 21 04:14
schestowitzrust needs to quit github sooner or laterAug 21 04:14
DaemonFC[m]I tried using CDBurnerXP on a 64-bit XP and it had a crash and the developer told me that he didn't have a 64-bit Window system to check it on at the time.Aug 21 04:14
schestowitzas important as their foundationAug 21 04:14
Ariadnebut .NET did help to shift the thinking amongst developersAug 21 04:14
schestowitzto become independent from micrsooft and that proprietary dev platformAug 21 04:15
Ariadneschestowitz: the problem is, they will just go from github to another proprietary forgeAug 21 04:15
schestowitzso you don't need to be a Microsoft serf just to offer a bug report, commit etc.Aug 21 04:15
schestowitzAriadne: that would be their own shot in the footAug 21 04:15
Ariadnethe problem with mega-forges isn't microsoft's ownership, as much as it is that it is a mega-forge to begin withAug 21 04:15
schestowitzit's not Aug 21 04:16
Ariadnemicrosoft owning it just means it will randomly close one day when microsoft gets boredAug 21 04:16
schestowitzbut Microsoft makes it worseAug 21 04:16
DaemonFC[m]Sourceforge done fucked up with those sleazy malware installers.Aug 21 04:16
schestowitzbecause of its own motivationsAug 21 04:16
schestowitzand its track recordAug 21 04:16
schestowitzesp. if you're a gnu/linux or bsd proponentAug 21 04:16
Ariadnesourceforge fucked up well before the malware installersAug 21 04:16
Ariadnemegaforges are bad anyway.  need to focus on self-hosted git and federated issue tracking.Aug 21 04:16
schestowitzit's a high learning curveAug 21 04:17
schestowitzmore expensiveAug 21 04:17
Ariadneyes, fixing that is part of what needs to be doneAug 21 04:17
schestowitzbut that's the package that comes with real ownership and controlAug 21 04:17
schestowitzyou can also rent an apartment for 50 yearsAug 21 04:17
Ariadneif you can go rent a linode for $10/month and run gitlab and have it federate with other gitlabsAug 21 04:17
schestowitzblow a million bucks or twoAug 21 04:17
Ariadnei think a lot of people would do thatAug 21 04:18
Ariadneover using githubAug 21 04:18
schestowitzfsf is doing a gitlab-derived platformAug 21 04:18
schestowitzto improve or replace savannahAug 21 04:18
schestowitzmaybe then the new board member and the pres can migrate to itAug 21 04:19
schestowitzand off githubAug 21 04:19
schestowitzwould be good marketing for the new platformAug 21 04:19
schestowitzand they can start a "leave github" campaign or somethingAug 21 04:19
schestowitz(I'm dreaming)Aug 21 04:19
AriadneFSF is doing something other than poorly designed marketing campaigns only intended to impress one person (RMS)?Aug 21 04:20
Ariadnemaybe they listened to what i had to say after all.Aug 21 04:20
Ariadnethat's true by the way, crap like BadVista campaign (which did not advance free software at all) was implemented to impress RMSAug 21 04:20
schestowitzI know many of them read techrightsAug 21 04:20
schestowitzBadVista was OKAug 21 04:21
Ariadnefree software has to be culturally driven.  forcing people to comply through shaming and aggressive use of copyleft will only make people prefer "open source."Aug 21 04:21
schestowitzVista7 SinsAug 21 04:21
schestowitzI'm for itAug 21 04:21
schestowitzwe need to highlight the bad things about the rivallAug 21 04:21
schestowitzotherwise people might not 'get' the point of FreeSWAug 21 04:22
Ariadneyes, but making it the centerpiece in the showcase is not a winning strategyAug 21 04:22
schestowitz"open source" is just "open WASH" nowAug 21 04:22
schestowitzeven Mako-Hill said we should distance ourselves from itAug 21 04:22
Ariadneyou can say "windows sucks" all day, but if you don't showcase what is better, normal people won't careAug 21 04:22
schestowitzit was nowhere as bad a decade backAug 21 04:22
schestowitzFSF is reactionaryAug 21 04:23
schestowitzRMS started GNU as reactionAug 21 04:23
schestowitzto proproetaryAug 21 04:23
schestowitzXeroxAug 21 04:23
schestowitzso it's perfectly OK to say, "look, there's this problem"Aug 21 04:23
schestowitz"it's this bad"Aug 21 04:23
schestowitzand this is why we need alternativesAug 21 04:23
Ariadneyes, i don't disagreeAug 21 04:23
Ariadnebut you have to do more than thatAug 21 04:24
Ariadneand FSF did notAug 21 04:24
schestowitzthat's how some twitter and fb alts, inc. pleroma, grow feetAug 21 04:24
schestowitzyou can't break network effects otherwiseAug 21 04:24
Ariadnemy point is that the FSF instead of showing actual work in cultivating a new generation of free software leadership, just did BadVista and Vista7 Sins and other flawed marketing campaigns.Aug 21 04:24
schestowitzFSF did its thing... not my thingAug 21 04:24
Ariadnewhat i told FSF is that they need to focus on the future, not the past.Aug 21 04:24
schestowitzthe future looks badAug 21 04:25
schestowitzas their Zoom video showsAug 21 04:25
Ariadnethe future can look better if we do the work to make it happenAug 21 04:25
schestowitzsystopianAug 21 04:25
schestowitz*dAug 21 04:25
schestowitzand it is negative marketing tooAug 21 04:25
schestowitzwithout naming the culpritsAug 21 04:25
schestowitzbrb coffeeAug 21 04:26
Ariadneyou cannot have a functional enterprise if all operations are solely designed to impress the director.Aug 21 04:27
Ariadneif the FSF starts doing real things as a result of RMS's departure, then at least they are now trying to be functional againAug 21 04:28
Ariadnethe FSF should be jumping in calling out the Qt company for threatening to take Qt proprietary, for example.Aug 21 04:28
Ariadneand organizing a fork.Aug 21 04:29
Ariadnethat's what an FSF run by me would be doing.Aug 21 04:29
Ariadneit is great to say there are problems, but we need to solve problems too.Aug 21 04:29
schestowitz>  at least they are now trying to be functional againAug 21 04:30
schestowitzagain?Aug 21 04:30
schestowitzhe founded fsfAug 21 04:30
schestowitz[04:28] <Ariadne> the FSF should be jumping in calling out the Qt company for threatening to take Qt proprietary, for example.Aug 21 04:31
schestowitzkde gently  responded to that effectAug 21 04:31
schestowitzthey debated itAug 21 04:31
schestowitzthen qt (lars iirc) respondedAug 21 04:31
Ariadneyes, but the FSF should be getting involved in these things.Aug 21 04:31
schestowitzso qt knows there's a risk Aug 21 04:31
schestowitzAriadne: if necessaryAug 21 04:31
schestowitzgtk is gnuAug 21 04:31
schestowitzgnome sucks thoughAug 21 04:32
schestowitzibm has a lot of control over it nowAug 21 04:32
schestowitzred hatAug 21 04:32
Ariadneand sure, RMS founded FSF.  but when the employees are only doing work to get praise from RMS, it is a serious problem.Aug 21 04:32
schestowitzbtw, i am NOT anti-ibmAug 21 04:32
Ariadnei'm IBM-confusedAug 21 04:32
schestowitzI am strongly against distorting the past and realityAug 21 04:32
Ariadnethey buy redhat, but now they are going hard on alpine again, with some redhat people reassigned to work on it even.Aug 21 04:32
Ariadnewhy would you spend billions on redhat just to trash itAug 21 04:33
schestowitzohAug 21 04:33
schestowitzwell...Aug 21 04:33
schestowitzkrishnaAug 21 04:33
schestowitzI heard it was at least partly his ideaAug 21 04:33
schestowitzhe was already at the boardAug 21 04:33
schestowitzhe seems like a decent guyAug 21 04:33
schestowitzbut let's see if they stop the  swpats BSAug 21 04:33
Ariadnebasically, what i mean is that the FSF should act as the conscience of the free software movementAug 21 04:34
Ariadnethe shepherd, if you willAug 21 04:34
schestowitztoo inactiveAug 21 04:34
schestowitznot much messagingAug 21 04:34
Ariadneyes, so fix it :)Aug 21 04:34
schestowitzone blog post yesterdayAug 21 04:34
schestowitzcfpAug 21 04:35
schestowitzlibreplanetAug 21 04:35
Ariadnemake an FSF RMS would be proud of :)Aug 21 04:35
schestowitzor... federateAug 21 04:35
schestowitz 21 04:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Free Software Federation HOWTO - TechrightsAug 21 04:36
schestowitz 21 04:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Free Software Federation - TechrightsAug 21 04:36
schestowitzwe need to have no single point of failureAug 21 04:36
schestowitzlike we have distrosAug 21 04:36
schestowitzmakes us more invulnerableAug 21 04:36
Ariadnei agree in the long run, butAug 21 04:37
DaemonFC[m]They're running movie ads again.Aug 21 04:41
schestowitzI will do a quick post about FSF nextAug 21 04:42
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: what's a movie?Aug 21 04:42
schestowitzAriadne: I will commend themAug 21 04:49
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: Ariadne: still proofreading this one: 21 04:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | “The University of Costumed Heroes” by the Free Software Foundation is an Example of Effective Free Software Advocacy | TechrightsAug 21 04:58
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: if you can help...Aug 21 04:58
DaemonFC[m] 21 05:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | ‘Fort Lori’: Chicago police ban protests on Mayor Lori Lightfoot’s block, order arrests for anyone who won’t leave - Chicago TribuneAug 21 05:13
DaemonFC[m]One term mayor.Aug 21 05:13
schestowitzhttps://www.freebsd.orgAug 21 05:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The FreeBSD ProjectAug 21 05:25
schestowitz 21 05:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | FreeBSD HandbookAug 21 05:25
schestowitz 21 05:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Frequently Asked Questions for FreeBSD 11.X and 12.XAug 21 05:26
schestowitz 21 05:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Download FreeBSDAug 21 05:27
schestowitz 21 05:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Index of /ftp/releases/VM-IMAGES/12.1-RELEASE/i386/Latest/Aug 21 05:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@hikudev: 2,445 IBM Employees Openly Condemned IBM for Enabling Racist and Intolerant Regimes By @schestowitz #BigTech #IBM… 21 06:53
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schestowitz"Aug 21 06:53
schestowitz2,445 IBM Employees Openly Condemned IBM for Enabling Racist and Intolerant RegimesAug 21 06:53
schestowitzBy @schestowitzAug 21 06:53
schestowitz#BigTech #IBM #RacismAug 21 06:53
schestowitz"Aug 21 06:53
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schestowitzMinceR: pingAug 21 09:18
schestowitzdo you know melindas in hungary? 21 09:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Melinda - WikipediaAug 21 09:19
schestowitzAccording to this, it is a common nameAug 21 09:19
schestowitzit says there it used to also be common in the USAug 21 09:19
schestowitzlol "Philanthropists"Aug 21 09:19
schestowitzGates listed under "Philanthropists"Aug 21 09:20
schestowitzAs if it's an occupationAug 21 09:20
schestowitzit just means "rich person"Aug 21 09:20
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scientes<schestowitz> it just means "rich person"Aug 21 09:23
scientes 21 09:24
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schestowitzMinceR: scientes ^Aug 21 09:29
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: we >really< need those court documentsAug 21 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Melinda and Zoophilia Found in Tandem in the Illegal Pornographic ‘Stash’ of Bill Gates’ Engineer | TechrightsAug 21 09:29
schestowitzwe'll compensate you for the paper fees and hassleAug 21 09:29
schestowitzthere might be something in those court hearings and nobody is covering itAug 21 09:29
schestowitzI could joke about Jones possibly being dead alreadyAug 21 09:29
schestowitz(just in case)Aug 21 09:30
scientesschestowitz, I don't careAug 21 09:30
schestowitzmany people do careAug 21 09:34
schestowitzmore so after refusal to explain the epstein connections, which continued after the convictionAug 21 09:34
schestowitzand then followed by liesAug 21 09:34
schestowitzwhich were later refutedAug 21 09:34
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schestowitz[15:22] <Ariadne> y combinator is altmanAug 21 09:46
schestowitz Aug 21 09:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Sam Altman - WikipediaAug 21 09:46
schestowitzseems to have no merit other than "money"Aug 21 09:46
schestowitzI thought maybe he had created somethingAug 21 09:46
schestowitzsomething technicalAug 21 09:47
schestowitz 21 09:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Urban Dictionary: SNAFUAug 21 09:58
schestowitz"Aug 21 09:58
schestowitzOne of a progression of military situational indicators:Aug 21 09:58
schestowitz1. SNAFU - Situation Normal, All Fucked Up - Thing are running normally.Aug 21 09:58
schestowitz2. TARFUN - Things Are Really Fucked Up Now - Houston, we have a problem.Aug 21 09:58
schestowitz3. FUBAR - Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition - Burn it to the ground and start over from scratch; it's totally destroyed.Aug 21 09:58
schestowitz"Aug 21 09:58
schestowitz"In 2005, at age 19,[10] Altman co-founded and became CEO of Loopt,[11] a location-based social networking mobile application. After raising more than $30M in venture capital, Loopt was shut down in 2012 after failing to get traction. It was acquired by the Green Dot Corporation for $43.4 million.[12][13] "Aug 21 10:17
schestowitz"Altman has said that he hopes to expand Y Combinator to fund 1,000 new companies per year. He has also tried to expand the types of companies funded by YC, especially 'hard technology' companies"Aug 21 10:17
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Hacker News - WikipediaAug 21 10:29
schestowitz"Hacker News is a social news website focusing on computer science and entrepreneurship. It is run by Paul Graham's investment fund and startup incubator, Y Combinator. In general, content that can be submitted is defined as "anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity."Aug 21 10:29
schestowitz Aug 21 10:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | ‘Hacker’ News (HN) Censorship | TechrightsAug 21 10:30
schestowitz"Graham stated he hopes to avoid the Eternal September that results in the general decline of intelligent discourse within a community.[4] The site has a proactive attitude in moderating content, including automated flame and spam detectors and active human moderation. It also practices stealth banning in which user posts stop appearing for others to see, unbeknownst to the user.[10] Additional software is used to detect "voting rings Aug 21 10:33
schestowitzto purposefully vote up stories".[2] "Aug 21 10:33
schestowitzStealth banningAug 21 10:33
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Ariadne pretty much sums up how my day is goingAug 21 12:29
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MinceRschestowitz: yes, i've encountered a few Melindas in HungaryAug 21 12:43
MinceRi don't really know any of them thoughAug 21 12:43
MinceR21 053300 < Ariadne> why would you spend billions on redhat just to trash itAug 21 12:44
MinceRmaybe they get kickbacks from microshit for killing GNU/LinuxAug 21 12:44
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schestowitz[12:44] <MinceR> maybe they get kickbacks from microshit for killing GNU/LinuxAug 21 13:26
schestowitzRed Hat did try to sell to Microsoft directlyAug 21 13:26
schestowitzthough it's not clear who contacted whoAug 21 13:27
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XRevan86> Alexey Navalny is fighting for his life in an #Omsk hospital after an apparent poisoningAug 21 15:01
XRevan86The main diagnosis they're working with is that his sugar dropped in the aeroplane suddenly.Aug 21 15:01
XRevan86Now he's in a coma. Did he have severe diabetes? I don't think he had.Aug 21 15:02
scientestypical russian politicsAug 21 15:02
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XRevan86Transport to FRG was rejected with a statement that he's "untransportable"Aug 21 15:03
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XRevan86Could a person not know they have diabetes until they're in a literal coma?Aug 21 15:06
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XRevan86scientes: Yes… him being "untransportable" is suspicious in on itself.Aug 21 15:08
XRevan86he being, him being, his being… suddenly not sure which pronoun inflection to useAug 21 15:09
scienteshisAug 21 15:10
XRevan86That's the one that makes the most sense, but I think "him being" is the version I heard the most. Everyone's wrong, again, I guess :).Aug 21 15:11
scientesit is hisAug 21 15:11
scientesbut English speakers mess up inflection all the timeAug 21 15:11
XRevan86They indeed do.Aug 21 15:11
scientesfunny thing is that is like SAT-level EnglishAug 21 15:12
scientesto get inflection rightAug 21 15:12
scienteswhen other languages that is like 5-year-old stuffAug 21 15:12
XRevan86I even heard on several occasions "from you and I"Aug 21 15:12
scientesis that thatAug 21 15:13
scientesthe double "that"Aug 21 15:13
XRevan86It's like they heard that "me and you" is not right, so to be correct they do s/me and you/you and I/gAug 21 15:14
XRevan86and so a hypercorrection was bornAug 21 15:15
scientesexactly what happenedAug 21 15:15
XRevan86"the double "that"" – well, why notAug 21 15:15
XRevan86it's like "had had", the word is overloaded, so it be put side by side serving two different functionsAug 21 15:16
XRevan86* it can be putAug 21 15:16
scientesit bes put :)Aug 21 15:16
oiaohmXRevan86: it is possible for rapid onset type 1a Diabetes to go from no Diabetes to full Diabetes in less than 12 hours.   Autoimmune diabetes is this type 1a basically immune system gone stupid.Aug 21 15:17
oiaohmThat is insanely rare.Aug 21 15:18
oiaohmIt also possible to be caused by different forms of posioning.Aug 21 15:18
XRevan86oiaohm: With no premonitions? Maybe food choices?Aug 21 15:18
XRevan86Because it is known that Alexei Navalny only drank a small cup of tea before the flight. Don't know if it had sugar in it.Aug 21 15:18
scientesXRevan86, you have any news of it that isn't the typical US trash?Aug 21 15:19
XRevan86scientes: About that he drank only tea?Aug 21 15:19
XRevan86scientes: Yes, his friends/comrades/allies say that.Aug 21 15:20
XRevan86About that he has diabetes – no, that's the opinion of the Omsk doctors.Aug 21 15:20
scientes“Unevacuable condition”Aug 21 15:20
XRevan86also opinion of the Omsk doctorsAug 21 15:20
scientes> The moment Alexey Navalny’s sudden illness was reported, his wife, Yulia, lawyer and political ally Ivan Zhdanov, and “Doctors’ Alliance” leader Anastasia Vasileva rushed to the airport in Moscow and boarded a plane for Omsk. When they arrived at the hospital, however, they weren’t allowed to see Navalny. Officials first refused to admit them due to “a lack of security clearance.”Aug 21 15:21
scientesthis stuff is so typicalAug 21 15:21
XRevan86they literally said "untransportable", with a calque in RussianAug 21 15:21
scientesits the way that Russians thinkAug 21 15:21
oiaohmXRevan86:  Diabetes Autoimmune form is that you immune system decides that you insulin-producing cells.   Normally if your immune system is this defective it happens when you are young.   Food choices is not a factor in a major way.  It more something that causes person to have a immune response that goes wrong.Aug 21 15:21
XRevan86scientes: His wife was allowed to enter eventually.Aug 21 15:21
scientesand take her own blood sample?Aug 21 15:22
XRevan86scientes: That I don't know.Aug 21 15:22
oiaohmOpps  Diabetes Autoimmune form is that you immune system decides that you insulin-producing cells -add here- is bad and kills them all.Aug 21 15:22
scientesoiaohm, diabeties is an autoimmune problemAug 21 15:22
XRevan86oiaohm: I means food choices immediately before the disaster.Aug 21 15:22
XRevan86meanAug 21 15:22
scientesahh, but as you point out there is a different oneAug 21 15:22
XRevan86scientes: Anastasia Vasil'eva is also his therapistAug 21 15:24
oiaohmXRevan86: Its broader than food choices think of all the different things that can set of a allergic reaction and cuase the immune system to go up on high alert.Aug 21 15:24
oiaohmNow if that causes the immune system to by  major error to take out insulin-producing cells once those are gone there is a very short time until you will be in major medical trouble.Aug 21 15:25
oiaohmBad part is that person may not feel any form of illness in that part.   First sign is normally hospital or death.Aug 21 15:26
XRevan86oiaohm: What are the odds of that happening in an aeroplane?Aug 21 15:26
oiaohmThe odds of having it happen as a adult instead of a child to start off with makes a person winning a loto twice in a row look good..Aug 21 15:28
oiaohmSo being in a aeroplane is not the least chance factor here.Aug 21 15:28
XRevan86Not just adult, he's 44 years old.Aug 21 15:29
XRevan86oiaohm: Right.Aug 21 15:30
oiaohmExacly most people with type 1 its appears in adolescence and maybe in the 20s rarely.Aug 21 15:30
oiaohmthat type 1aAug 21 15:30
oiaohm44 years old for it happening is alone insanely rare.Aug 21 15:31
oiaohm type 2 diabetes that is the normal aduit form you would expect decent lead up symptoms but there are some rare people who first major symptoms is hospitalisation.    But if he has had a yearly decent medical checks early warning to this should have shown in blood work well before issues.Aug 21 15:34
oiaohmXRevan86: basically type 1a insanely rare for a 44 year old could go from zero diagnose possible to critical in 12 hours.   Type 2 diabates it possible if he had not been having medical to drop in coma on flight with something that has been progressing for a few years. Aug 21 15:36
XRevan86apparently there's footage, I'm looking for itAug 21 15:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Отравление Навального. Спецэфир - YouTubeAug 21 15:39
XRevan86apparently that's the footageAug 21 15:40
XRevan86and apparently the German aeroplane is still waiting and isn't going anywhereAug 21 15:44
oiaohmXRevan86: being diabetes   Basically there is at least 12 delay between when getting critical and coma problem.Aug 21 15:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How Long Can Your Body Survive Without Insulin?Aug 21 15:44
XRevan86> high blood sugarAug 21 15:45
XRevan86the "diagnosis" is extremely low sugarAug 21 15:45
XRevan86"A sudden decrease of sugar in the blood on the aeroplane, which caused a loss of consciousness"Aug 21 15:47
scientesXRevan86, you mean insultin overdose?Aug 21 15:48
oiaohmThere is a fun thing in the first stage of coming a person with Diabates it called Reactive hypoglycemia.Aug 21 15:48
XRevan86scientes: insulting overdose doesn't stop at giving health issues, it also cusses at you?Aug 21 15:49
scientes.............Aug 21 15:49
scientesits a newly discovered hormone called insultinAug 21 15:50
XRevan86insult to injuryAug 21 15:50
scientesit causes Tourettes syndrome Aug 21 15:51
scientesand also people to be convinced they are sultansAug 21 15:51
XRevan86> Reactive hypoglycemia, postprandial hypoglycemia, or sugar crash is a term describing recurrent episodes of symptomatic hypoglycemia occurring within four hours after a high carbohydrate meal in people with and without diabetes.Aug 21 15:52
XRevan86oiaohm: one cup of teaAug 21 15:52
oiaohmXRevan86:  there is two hormones at play.   glucagon and insultin that come from the pancreas.    Aug 21 15:52
XRevan86not exactly rich on carbohydratesAug 21 15:53
XRevan86"insultin" – I guess we're going with this %)Aug 21 15:53
oiaohmglucagon goes to liver to tell to to level out suger levels.   With that missing suger levels can go low really low then have the liver panic and go really high and then back to really low.Aug 21 15:53
oiaohmWelcome to suger level rollacoaster that really out to kill you.Aug 21 15:54
oiaohmNormally the liver holds everything fairly stable for 12 hours unless a person has been under eating for quite some time.Aug 21 15:55
oiaohmNormally diabetes is treated by giving insultin and letting the liver just get use to doing it own thing without glucagon guidence. Aug 21 15:56
*XRevan86 will try to insult people with diabetes, they need it.Aug 21 15:57
Ariadne[08:06:08] <XRevan86> Could a person not know they have diabetes until they're in a literal coma?Aug 21 15:57
Ariadnediabetic ketoacidosis can cause comaAug 21 15:57
Ariadnehappened to one of my coworkers recently, actually.Aug 21 15:57
oiaohmXRevan86: sorry repeated typo I was aim for the word InsulinAug 21 15:58
XRevan86> Triggers may include infection, not taking insulin correctly, stroke and certain medications such as steroids.Aug 21 15:58
Ariadnelow blood sugar can also cause comaAug 21 15:59
Ariadneit's one of those things where it can go either wayAug 21 15:59
XRevan86"Diagnostic method: High blood sugar" – yea, that's not itAug 21 16:00
oiaohmXRevan86: you have to allow for liver at play.Aug 21 16:00
XRevan86oiaohm: This also looks like something that's relatively easy to diagnose.Aug 21 16:00
oiaohmLiver attempting to mask over diabetic issues can cause both high and low blood sugger.Aug 21 16:01
XRevan86There's still no proper diagnosis available.Aug 21 16:01
oiaohmYes rapid changing from one to the other would match up for liver at play.Aug 21 16:01
oiaohmYou really only get a solid diagnosis once the liver decides not to be messing around with the data.Aug 21 16:02
MinceR 21 16:04
XRevan86It will be 21 16:05
oiaohmXRevan86: one of the issues with Diabetes is take a few weeks to work out a solid diagnose what one it is.   Few weeks to get the liver stable and monitoring what base level hormones are to see what is missing/screwed up.Aug 21 16:06
oiaohmIts fairly quick to work out that you are looking at something possible diabetes but what one is tricky.Aug 21 16:07
XRevan86Except they didn't even say that it is diabetes, albeit some media already took the hint.Aug 21 16:08
oiaohmDiabetic ketoacidosis is a serious complication of diabetes that occurs when your body produces high levels of blood acids called ketones. < Note this is a low suger effect caused by burning fat.Aug 21 16:10
oiaohmas in low suger starts that.Aug 21 16:10
oiaohmThen it can run away and produce high suger before stopping and crashing to low suger.   Basically another rinse and repeat cycle.Aug 21 16:11
oiaohmBetween diabetic ketoacidosis and liver masking can go quite some time without symtoms with diabetes.Aug 21 16:12
oiaohmBut those masks will fall away.Aug 21 16:12
XRevan86 German doctors made a conclusion that they can transport Navalny safely.Aug 21 16:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Кира Ярмыш (@Kira_Yarmysh): "Немецкие врачи — профессиональные реаниматологи — осмотрев Алексея Навального, пришли к выводу о том, что он транспортабелен и оборудование их самолета позволяет безопасно немедленно перевезти его в Берлин в уAug 21 16:13
XRevan86 but the Omsk hospital #1 won't let themAug 21 16:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ :: Главврач больницы в Омске заявляет, что Навальный останется там "до стабилизации состояния"Aug 21 16:13
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disinterestedhello, anyone home?Aug 21 16:14
XRevan86> Colleagues reaches a conclusion that, considering that in the blood and in other biomaterials we couldn't find any poisonous substances, he had a metabolism malfunction, more specifically, a decrease in the levels of glucose in the blood during a rapid change of pressure – how everyone looks at it, during takeoff.Aug 21 16:16
XRevan86disinterested: Everyone's home :)Aug 21 16:17
disinterestedhmm, was hoping for tech not bio, is that possible here and now?Aug 21 16:18
XRevan86technological poisoning?Aug 21 16:19
disinterestedno, no need for poisonAug 21 16:19
XRevan86disinterested: Just discussing what happened to Alexei Navalny, a Russian oppositional politician.Aug 21 16:20
disinterestednot much tech in that, i think, but thx for respondingAug 21 16:20
MinceR(cat) 21 16:21
oiaohmXRevan86: rapid drop in glucose level can be linked to takeoff.   Fear of flight and increase in normal breathing to deal with altered pressure increase glucose usage.    That add up for pancreas not doing its drop and making glucagon to level out glucose.Aug 21 16:24
oiaohmOf course any poisonous substance that has rigged a person for this can have had 12 hours before that point to get out of system.Aug 21 16:25
XRevan86oiaohm: That's a person who's making flights regularly, much more often than a layman.Aug 21 16:25
oiaohmflying regularly does not mean you don't have fear of it.Aug 21 16:25
XRevan86That does make it more unlikely, since there are no actions to reduce it.Aug 21 16:26
oiaohmLot of people who fly regularly and do still have fear of flying don't take special actions to reduce it.Aug 21 16:27
oiaohmInstead just mentally push through.Aug 21 16:27
oiaohmOf course that fine while body is working fine.Aug 21 16:28
oiaohmits just burnt a few more calories in the fear bit of flight. Aug 21 16:28
oiaohmNormally that class of fear of flight is only fear on take off and landing.Aug 21 16:28
oiaohmNot the total fear thing.Aug 21 16:29
MinceRwell yeah, people tend to be concerned of landing in a fast, uncontrolled wayAug 21 16:29
oiaohmEnough in flight training where they cover crash on take off quite a few times.  Fear of landing fast on take off also enters mind.Aug 21 16:30
oiaohmYes those aircraft repeating safety training breifs are not without their long term mental effects.Aug 21 16:31
oiaohmMore often a person flys commerical the more likely they will have some fear of take off and landing that has been trained into them. Aug 21 16:32
psydread> hmm, was hoping for tech not bio, is that possible here and now?Aug 21 16:32
psydreadit's about biotechAug 21 16:32
disinterestedk, thx, signing offAug 21 16:33
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psydreadgoodbye and farewellAug 21 16:33
XRevan86I guess they expected some concentrated techrights 24/7Aug 21 16:35
psydreadas if tech (what kind of tech?) exists in a vacuumAug 21 16:35
psydreadyes, for their personal entertainmentAug 21 16:35
oiaohmIts kind of counter to what most people would think.  Most people would think the fear of flight would go down more you fly when it in fact most commonly goes the other way.   And in a more informed way that you fear increases in the most dangerous section. Aug 21 16:36
oiaohmsections.Aug 21 16:36
oiaohmThe most dangerous sections of flight is take off and landing.Aug 21 16:36
scientesoiaohm, landing is alot more difficult than take-offAug 21 16:36
oiaohmscientes: when it comes to engine stress the worse is take-off.Aug 21 16:37
oiaohmIt does depend if you flying with a company with good maintaince or not on how dangerous take off is.Aug 21 16:43
schestowitz[16:35] <XRevan86> I guess they expected some concentrated techrights 24/7Aug 21 16:44
schestowitzjust took a  long nap, catching up nowAug 21 16:44
*schestowitz realises some weirdo came and went offAug 21 16:46
XRevan86 a photograph (right) of Navalny in a cafe in Tomsk, and a photograph of him and his fan in the aeroplaneAug 21 16:46
*XRevan86 is trying to find information about what kind of an aeroplane exactly he took.Aug 21 16:47
XRevan86Boeing 737-800Aug 21 16:48
XRevan86from S7 AirlinesAug 21 16:48
schestowitz[15:02] <XRevan86> Now he's in a coma. Did he have severe diabetes? I don't think he had.Aug 21 16:50
schestowitzis he still in a coma?Aug 21 16:50
XRevan86schestowitz: yesAug 21 16:50
XRevan86In a "stable severe condition"Aug 21 16:50
schestowitz"come on, sugar, we didn't do anything to Alex..."Aug 21 16:50
schestowitzXRevan86: 21 16:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ Navalny still in a coma. It's election season, you know, Putin is running for reelection in 2 months. Can't be admonished. Aug 21 16:53
schestowitz[16:46] <XRevan86> a photograph (right) of Navalny in a cafe in Tomsk, and a photograph of him and his fan in the aeroplaneAug 21 16:54
schestowitzSpeaking of fans, Trump is a "Fan"Aug 21 16:55
schestowitzbut of Vlad, not AlexAug 21 16:55
schestowitzmakes you wonder if these tactics will be copied with orange shifts across the Pacific pond one dayAug 21 16:55
schestowitz*shirtsAug 21 16:55
XRevan86schestowitz: Yes, Ariadne posted a scanAug 21 16:56
XRevan86I commented on it that in 2007 being a fan wasn't as bad as "respecting" him a decade later.Aug 21 16:57
schestowitzmafia familiesAug 21 16:58
schestowitztrump's criminal enterprises predates 2016Aug 21 16:58
schestowitz*priseAug 21 16:58
schestowitzMelania must be jealousAug 21 16:59
schestowitzshe has competitionAug 21 16:59
schestowitz"Donnie, let's do again the one where you call me "Vlad"..."Aug 21 17:00
XRevan86Volodya, Volodyeñka, I have the best wordsAug 21 17:02
schestowitzSounds like VodkaAug 21 17:03
XRevan86just short for VolodimirAug 21 17:03
XRevan86* Volòdya, VolòdyeñkaAug 21 17:05
*XRevan86 put accent markers, can't be too careful %)Aug 21 17:05
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schestowitz^^^ big newsAug 21 17:21
schestowitzThey told me so months agoAug 21 17:21
schestowitzthe Pardud devsAug 21 17:21
schestowitzThat's millions of young gnu /linux usersAug 21 17:21
schestowitzand the devs say "gnu"Aug 21 17:21
schestowitzthe media in the West NEVER reports thisAug 21 17:21
XRevan86 uff, thought it's the exact logo as Opera (RIP)Aug 21 17:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | PleromaAug 21 17:22
XRevan86but no, it's slightly differentAug 21 17:22
XRevan86can't really make an accusation considering how unoriginal it isAug 21 17:23
XRevan86> It started its life as a Gentoo-based project before developing its own unique identity. Since late 2012, the distribution is based on Debian.Aug 21 17:24
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XRevan86That wording puts salt in the wound.Aug 21 17:24
XRevan86It developed its own unique identity. And then scrapped it.Aug 21 17:25
XRevan86Haven't heard much from Pisi Linux lately.Aug 21 17:25
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XRevan86"Welcome To Pisi GNU/Linux!" – oh.Aug 21 17:26
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psydreadthe West is also the last holdout for Windows, if you compare percentages of users of Windows to Android across the worldAug 21 17:27
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MinceRi wonder if donnie, viktor or the others mind that vlad is cheating on them with the othersAug 21 17:28
schestowitzMinceR: cheating of shitting?Aug 21 17:29
schestowitz(or peeing)Aug 21 17:29
schestowitzXRevan86: pisi is or was the package managerAug 21 17:30
schestowitzthere was also a distro called that, brieflyAug 21 17:30
schestowitztechrights wrote some articles about thisAug 21 17:30
XRevan86PiSi was a package manager of PardusAug 21 17:31
schestowitzMicrosoft and billness did some tricks in turkeyAug 21 17:31
schestowitzmaybe they ran out of tricksAug 21 17:31
MinceRschestowitz: :>Aug 21 17:31
XRevan86then something happened and Pardus became a derivative of Debian in 2012Aug 21 17:31
XRevan86and so Pisi GNU/Linux was born, a fork of pre-2012 PardusAug 21 17:31
XRevan86It still exists.Aug 21 17:32
schestowitzDebian is a good baseAug 21 17:35
schestowitzGentoo I can imagine would be harderAug 21 17:35
schestowitzand development-wise it seems like Gentoo has been stagnant for yearsAug 21 17:35
XRevan86schestowitz: It started from Gentoo like SUSE did.Aug 21 17:36
schestowitzthey just take pride in being the base of chromeosAug 21 17:36
XRevan86or like MOPSLinux didAug 21 17:36
MinceRdebian used to be a good base up to version 7Aug 21 17:36
XRevan86I.e. it quickly became its own thing.Aug 21 17:36
MinceRnow it's just a less shitty cancerd/Linux distributionAug 21 17:36
MinceR(as in, it doesn't freeze during boot or installation as easily as fedora and ubunturd)Aug 21 17:37
*XRevan86 encountered a faulty initscript which thought the programme double-forks, and it doesn't.Aug 21 17:47
XRevan86The transport to FRG was allowed.Aug 21 17:48
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DaemonFC[m]I'm sort of wondering if I should ultimately migrate to Debian but I never do. It left a bad taste last time.Aug 21 17:55
DaemonFC[m]The desktop role didn't seem to be as polished as it could have been in 2009.Aug 21 17:55
DaemonFC[m]Plus part of their glacial development pace is all of those weird architectures that have P1 status.Aug 21 17:56
DaemonFC[m]If they only cared about x86, then predictable 2 year release cycles would be easier.Aug 21 17:57
DaemonFC[m]If you have to hold up a release because you're worried about a PowerPC Mac from 2005 then that doesn't help me.Aug 21 17:57
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: If you know that a release is held up for reasons that do not concern you, update to it regardless.Aug 21 18:00
XRevan86A lot of times the release is postponed for installer polishing reasons.Aug 21 18:02
XRevan86So pre-release Debian is practically stable, if you don't use the installer.Aug 21 18:02
DaemonFC[m]Coal electricity generation fell to half of what it was when Trump took office. Wow.Aug 21 18:07
DaemonFC[m]Got rid of the Clean Power Plan but it was already too late.Aug 21 18:07
MinceRit does help those who run PPC, thoughAug 21 18:07
DaemonFC[m]Natural gas is super cheap. Aside from that, if they actually did open new plants, they'd still have to put in the best available technology to clean the emissions, which is expensive.Aug 21 18:08
DaemonFC[m]It's also an investment that you have to plan for decades in advance, and even if Trump did win the election, he'd get 4 more years before being constitutionally ineligible to run again.Aug 21 18:08
MinceRthen again, debian's pretense of making "stable releases" is pointless as long as cancerd is included as part of those "stable releases"Aug 21 18:09
MinceRcancerd is broken by designAug 21 18:09
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Looks like Waukegan is done for.Aug 21 18:12
DaemonFC[m]Even after the rioting and looting that destroyed several city blocks a couple months ago, people are demonstrating against the police and demanding a 50% cut to their budget.Aug 21 18:12
MinceRlooks like they don't like armed psychotics even if they do happen to be wearing police badgesAug 21 18:13
MinceRcuriousAug 21 18:13
DaemonFC[m]As a minority-majority city that already had a bad economy and a lot of crime before all this.....Aug 21 18:13
DaemonFC[m]Now ground zero of the Coronavirus in Lake County.Aug 21 18:14
DaemonFC[m]The cops might be the lesser of the two evils.Aug 21 18:14
MinceRbiggest city in Lake County, so no surprise thereAug 21 18:14
DaemonFC[m]The system is broken when even the worst of the criminals they manage to take off the street end up doing life on the installment plan.Aug 21 18:14
MinceRno, the worst of the criminals are running the states and the corporationsAug 21 18:15
DaemonFC[m]They were pissed that Jason Van Dyke, a cop, got 26 years for murder.Aug 21 18:15
DaemonFC[m]That's actually a more severe punishment than some of the Black Disciples gang members get for a drive by shooting.Aug 21 18:15
DaemonFC[m]One of them went away in 1990 and was paroled in 2013. He was arrested again for running a drug operation, and Judge Young Kim let him go and dropped the charges yesterday.Aug 21 18:16
DaemonFC[m]So we're dealing with tyranny from the federal bench too. Letting people go because they're black.Aug 21 18:17
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MinceRdid Old Kim agree?Aug 21 18:17
DaemonFC[m]How the fuck do you come to the conclusion of insufficient evidence when you take into account the fact that he was already a convicted murderer out on parole?Aug 21 18:17
DaemonFC[m]Just let the trial proceed and the government can show their case.Aug 21 18:18
DaemonFC[m]You let a jury decide if there's enough evidence. In fact, that's what happened. A grand jury indicted him and that should be enough for a trial to proceed.Aug 21 18:18
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DaemonFC[m]Felonies are a higher bar for the government to proceed with because there's more at stake for the defendant. Aug 21 18:19
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DaemonFC[m]So you have to assemble a jury with 24 people on it and have 13 of them agree that they can even proceed to have a trial, then you have to have a jury of 12 agree unanimously to convict, and then they also have to agree on the sentence.Aug 21 18:20
DaemonFC[m]Nobody who was on the Grand Jury can be on the Trial Jury.Aug 21 18:20
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: If Indiana was testing at the same rate as Illinois, they'd be adding 80% more Coronavirus cases per day on a population adjusted basis.Aug 21 18:54
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DaemonFC[m]The Republicans have discovered how easy it is to bury the facts by turning people away from tests and making people wait 6-7 hours in a hot car to get to the one free testing site in the region.Aug 21 18:56
DaemonFC[m]This herd immunity bullshit is pretty outragous.Aug 21 18:59
schestowitzit isAug 21 19:00
DaemonFC[m]The older the person is, the less antibodies are leftover after infection, so it's pretty clear that if someone will just keep getting it over and over, it will be old people.Aug 21 19:00
schestowitzI never quite 'got' itAug 21 19:00
schestowitzthey make it sound like the herd will protect itself as a groupAug 21 19:00
schestowitzas if people are collectives Aug 21 19:00
schestowitzand if old men and women die, then it's just some 'dead cell'Aug 21 19:00
schestowitzbut those are actual peopleAug 21 19:00
DaemonFC[m]The Republicans are like a really incompetent jesusy borg collective.Aug 21 19:01
DaemonFC[m]They don't want to stop assimilating until nobody has freedom.Aug 21 19:01
schestowitzthey eat JesusAug 21 19:01
schestowitzand drink his bloodAug 21 19:01
schestowitzsick beliefsAug 21 19:01
schestowitzwhy would you want cannibalism in your religionAug 21 19:01
schestowitzeven if it is merely metaphoricalAug 21 19:01
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: 2 deaths today in the UK with COVID-19Aug 21 19:02
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, it's mental illness level more than stupidity. A transubstantiation ritual.Aug 21 19:02
DaemonFC[m]If you're gay, you can't eat Jesus! No eating Jesus for you!Aug 21 19:02
schestowitz1000 new cases thoughAug 21 19:02
DaemonFC[m]"Uhhh, okay."Aug 21 19:02
schestowitz 21 19:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Coronavirus (COVID-19) in the UKAug 21 19:03
schestowitz76 on ventilatorsAug 21 19:03
schestowitzmore than yesterday, I thinkAug 21 19:03
schestowitz6 moreAug 21 19:03
schestowitz841 in hospitalAug 21 19:03
DaemonFC[m]That guy next door was slamming and banging on the door enough to knock things off my wall and telling his "bitch ass hoe" girlfriend to "get the fuck out here and get in the car bitch". Hopefully, that means I won't have neighbors for a while.Aug 21 19:04
DaemonFC[m]Either because they're moving out or the police eventually take them away.Aug 21 19:04
DaemonFC[m]Doesn't matter to me.Aug 21 19:04
DaemonFC[m]The judges gave up sentencing people to "hard labor". Gee, I wonder why..... *smirks*Aug 21 19:05
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Indiana did get one thing right.Aug 21 19:06
DaemonFC[m]They have inmates out there in the summer paving roads as their punishment.Aug 21 19:06
DaemonFC[m]I'll vote for this latest tax hike. It would go into effect right away and be another $3,600 a year to the state from my in-laws.Aug 21 19:08
DaemonFC[m]Nothing like a flaming bag of dog shit delivered by the government.Aug 21 19:08
DaemonFC[m]No trip to Spain for Marisol this year. Not looking good next year either.Aug 21 19:09
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Seems to be Hungarian me. As far as how much he despises his government, at least.Aug 21 19:10
DaemonFC[m]The only thing good about it is that occasionally it brings an ass kicking to someone you don't like very much and it's a laugh riot for you when they figure out what the state can actually do to someone it takes an interest in.Aug 21 19:11
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: You said wealthy people keep a low profile.Aug 21 19:12
DaemonFC[m]Everyone should try to.Aug 21 19:12
DaemonFC[m]Good things rarely come from calling attention to yourself.Aug 21 19:13
DaemonFC[m]Kolfage used the "triple amputee veteran" thing as cover for being an asshole who ripped millions of Republicans off.Aug 21 19:14
DaemonFC[m]Bannon ran the scheme with him.Aug 21 19:14
DaemonFC[m]It turns out there was absolutely no downside to We Build The Wall.Aug 21 19:14
DaemonFC[m]Millions of dollars that could have gone to the Trump campaign got diverted to a fake nonprofit that was being used as Kolfage and Bannon's piggy bank.Aug 21 19:15
DaemonFC[m]The small segments of wall they built were not up to Army Corps of Engineers standards and are falling over already, which is why the Army said they never picked those sites to build a wall that would have gone 3x deeper into the ground and still fallen down from soil erosion.Aug 21 19:16
DaemonFC[m]Trump has egg all over his face because it's impossible to distance himself from this.Aug 21 19:16
DaemonFC[m]By getting themselves busted, they're probably going to be too busy dealing with the criminal charges to keep running their fake news outlets that my mom likes and shares on Facebook.Aug 21 19:17
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: A lot of things would never fly today.Aug 21 19:20
DaemonFC[m]Why do you think the remake of National Lampoon's Vacation was so stupid and flopped?Aug 21 19:20
DaemonFC[m]It's politically incorrect to tell a joke.Aug 21 19:20
DaemonFC[m]You could never get the scene where they accidentally get off the freeway in St. Louis, gunshot are going off, everyone is black, and he stops for 2 minutes to get directions and they mug him and steal his hubcaps.Aug 21 19:21
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DaemonFC[m]The reason they usually St. Louis was a shithole in 1980, but the city has had to clear so many abandoned building that it's almost gone now.Aug 21 19:23
DaemonFC[m]Oh, damn it. Conjoined two sentences by tabbing over.Aug 21 19:24
DaemonFC[m]Anyway, St. Louis is bad. You go over into the Illinois side and it's worse.Aug 21 19:24
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Yeah, they're starting movie trailers with "Welcome back to the movies.".Aug 21 19:25
DaemonFC[m]Like, 9/11 every day from a virus and we're being welcomed to go to the movies.Aug 21 19:26
DaemonFC[m]Riiiiiiiight.Aug 21 19:26
DaemonFC[m]I'm either going to have to see a mass vaccination campaign or a very steep drop that convinces me that herd immunity is much further along than anyone thought, and neither of those are even close to happening.Aug 21 19:27
DaemonFC[m]From what I'm seeing now, most of the drop in cases comes from severe cutbacks to testing, not less positive test results.Aug 21 19:27
DaemonFC[m]So until the testing stabilizes and the number of positive results goes way down, nope.Aug 21 19:28
DaemonFC[m]Sorry Charlie. I was born at night, but it wasn't last night.Aug 21 19:28
DaemonFC[m]Illinois keeps setting daily testing RECORDS, and the more of it we look for, the more we find, but even with daily testing records, the positive results percentage is also rising. Aug 21 19:28
DaemonFC[m]So we're moving in the wrong direction for sure.Aug 21 19:29
DaemonFC[m]But Texas cut testing by 60%.Aug 21 19:29
DaemonFC[m]I don't accept that we're doing more to alow this down than almost any other state and for some reason it's not working out well here despite that.Aug 21 19:30
DaemonFC[m]*slowAug 21 19:30
DaemonFC[m]The state of Illinois has its own strategic medical supply stockpile now because we already got burned by relying on help from Trump that didn't come the first time around, and once states figured the trend was going down the first time, they got out of the bidding war for medical supplies and the price crashed.Aug 21 19:32
DaemonFC[m]So we have thousands of ventilators, and warehouses full of surgical gloves, face shields, and N95 masks now ready to go if this thing comes roaring back, and if I know Indiana....and I do....they're going to get caught flat footed a second time around this Fall and Trump will abandon them again.Aug 21 19:33
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schestowitz[19:13] <DaemonFC[m]> Good things rarely come from calling attention to yourself.Aug 21 20:10
schestowitzDepends on the contextAug 21 20:10
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: i no longer write about us covid19 statsAug 21 20:10
schestowitzI lost faith/trust, more so than months ago when the measurements were sabotaged alreadyAug 21 20:10
schestowitzUS is not the only nation faking itAug 21 20:11
schestowitzleave it for historians to assess the real # of deathsAug 21 20:11
schestowitzone simple approach isAug 21 20:11
schestowitzyou count death certsAug 21 20:11
schestowitzfor corresponding periods over the yearsAug 21 20:11
schestowitzyou then extrapolate the curve for the futureAug 21 20:11
schestowitzin the future they can interpolateAug 21 20:12
schestowitzbetween future years and pre-covicAug 21 20:12
schestowitzcovidAug 21 20:12
schestowitzand then assert the middle can be death toll of covid, inc. suicides and lack of access to hospital etc.Aug 21 20:12
schestowitzthe less direct effectAug 21 20:12
schestowitzno gym, poorer food etc.Aug 21 20:12
schestowitzit might turn out to be like half a million people this yearAug 21 20:12
schestowitzbut death certs take time to processAug 21 20:13
schestowitzso middle of next year might be OK time to start doing these analysesAug 21 20:13
schestowitzassuming people don't just die invisibly without documentation of the deathAug 21 20:13
schestowitzif Americans live to become about 70, or 77 on average, and assuming the population's age is equally distributed (it's not), you might assume 5 million deaths per annumAug 21 20:18
schestowitzso half a million is 'just' a 10% increaseAug 21 20:18
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DaemonFC[m]CrystalMath: Epstein still had no reason to kill himself.Aug 21 20:31
DaemonFC[m]He was a pariah but he was rich.Aug 21 20:31
DaemonFC[m]So he could pay for lawyers to file motions and appeals until the cows came home. Psychiatrists to say anything he wanted them to, etc.Aug 21 20:32
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: At least one reason why Walmart seems to be having plenty of everything is there's a per order quantity limit on most stuff now.Aug 21 20:35
DaemonFC[m]Like, it only lets me order 3 coconut waters for Mandy.Aug 21 20:35
DaemonFC[m]They're doing this so that preppers can't wipe out the entire grocery section in a couple of order.Aug 21 20:36
DaemonFC[m]They're hiring, a lot. Online grocery pickup demand is sky high now.Aug 21 20:36
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I noticed that the only grocery store that's ever packed is the Mexican one.Aug 21 20:37
DaemonFC[m]Locally owned. No online option at all.Aug 21 20:37
DaemonFC[m]Theoretically, one of the reasons why white people may be faring so much better is they won't even go into a store, even to shop for food.Aug 21 20:38
kingoffrancewhy metaphorical cannabalism schestowitz?  i think the answer is alchemy + get off prior sacrifice of animals ..."host" was roman too.    i read that was what animals were used for, the blood was what they wanted, so its a "sacrifice" in a way, do this metaphorical one and stop doing the old system :)            IOW: backwards compatibility IMOAug 21 20:38
kingoffrancelegacyAug 21 20:38
CrystalMathDaemonFC[m]: during the height of the pandemic i too increase my online shopping, but only cash-on-delivery paymentAug 21 20:38
kingoffranceadhering to prior standards :)Aug 21 20:39
kingoffrancesmooth transitionAug 21 20:39
DaemonFC[m]It's not like there's no Coronavirus infections among white people in Lake County, it's just 4 times worse on a per capita basis for black people and about 10 times worse for Hispanic/Latino.Aug 21 20:39
CrystalMathDaemonFC[m]: now it's buying stuff in stores with masks onAug 21 20:39
DaemonFC[m]Are white people just more inclined to stay away from it and reduce their odds?Aug 21 20:39
kingoffrancetheres ppl who claim thats what cow mutiliations are: the old systemAug 21 20:40
DaemonFC[m]If I do go into the store it's to dart in, get it, and get the hell out.Aug 21 20:40
kingoffrancethey leave the parts they dont care aboutAug 21 20:40
kingoffranceanyways, if something makes no sense, see what they had to be "compatible" with or what hw at the time wasAug 21 20:41
DaemonFC[m]Check this shit out.Aug 21 20:42
DaemonFC[m] 21 20:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Team Behind Privately Funded Border Wall Reveals Project Near Completion : NPRAug 21 20:42
DaemonFC[m] 21 20:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Crowdsourced Border Wall Donors Disturbed By Fraud And Money Laundering Charges : NPRAug 21 20:42
DaemonFC[m]In less than 90 days, NPR went from promoting We Build The Wall to reporting on the fact that it was a scam and what the people behind it were really up to before they all got arrested.Aug 21 20:43
kingoffrancethat doesnt look good "near completion"Aug 21 20:44
kingoffrancedoesnt make npr look good i meanAug 21 20:44
kingoffranceso your sources lied to you and you printed it?Aug 21 20:45
DaemonFC[m]Basically.Aug 21 20:45
kingoffrancelolAug 21 20:45
schestowitzBill Gates-bribed] #NPRAug 21 20:46
schestowitzNPR is shiteAug 21 20:46
schestowitzmaybe their own donors are as badAug 21 20:47
schestowitzbill gates likely worseAug 21 20:47
schestowitzand they smear gates critics nowAug 21 20:47
schestowitzthey're paid to do itAug 21 20:47
DaemonFC[m]The TL;DR here is that since Trump is criticizing Kolfage and Bannon, Trump has a derangement syndrome since Kolfage says everyone who criticizes him does. No? ;)Aug 21 20:51
DaemonFC[m]We Build Bars (around Trump's former associates).Aug 21 20:51
DaemonFC[m]I liked that episode of, what was it, Kimmel? Where he had Dr. Evil on.Aug 21 20:52
DaemonFC[m]He says he was part of the Trump Administration as Secretary of Evil.Aug 21 20:52
DaemonFC[m]Kimmel asks if it was his plan to deport the Dreamers, and he goes "I'm evil, I'm not a monster. That was Bannon mostly.".Aug 21 20:53
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: NPR backpeddling as if they weren't promoting the scam themselves with We Build the Wall 80 days ago.Aug 21 20:54
DaemonFC[m]Watch for that article to disappear.Aug 21 20:54
DaemonFC[m]It was obvious what this was, even though I am shocked that the government busted them and pursued criminal charges, since the scam was playing into Trump's voters and making them feel as if something was actually getting done on the border. Since he's built about 10 miles of new fence per year in office on a 2,860 mile long border. Aug 21 20:55
kingoffranceyeah ppl see its all corporate now if it wasnt always, but the still ask for "we rely on your support" viewers like youAug 21 20:56
kingoffrance*sayAug 21 20:56
kingoffrancethe corporate donations go in the back doorAug 21 20:56
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, I normally get 5 minute long ads on PBS when I buy a coffee mug. Aug 21 20:56
DaemonFC[m]Viewers like me, and Walmart, and BP, and David Koch, and Bill Gates.Aug 21 20:56
kingoffrancelolAug 21 20:57
DaemonFC[m]The reason I'm saying my mom and dad are stupid is that they like to imagine themselves as being in the big club that Carlin talked about when they're a couple of nobodies like the rest of us, who have successfully been duped while being beaten with the "big club" of the vanishing pensions that disappear the minute you go to collect it.Aug 21 20:58
DaemonFC[m]You can get some kind of a degree hanging on your wall and still have severe deficits somewhere else.Aug 21 20:58
DaemonFC[m]People in the Big Club are not like my dad. They don't drive a 2000 Impala with 600,000 miles on it and live in a very modest ticky tacky house and take 1099 work where they can get it.Aug 21 20:59
schestowitzMission accomplished?Aug 21 20:59
schestowitzaccomplished unlocked?Aug 21 21:00
schestowitzbillgates now blocks comments in twitterAug 21 21:00
schestowitzcan't take the heatAug 21 21:00
schestowitzcan't handle people bring up epsteinAug 21 21:00
DaemonFC[m]That's what 40 years of Reagan onward left him with, and he's considered "fortunate" by the standards of what's left. Aug 21 21:00
schestowitzwe're winning the argument if he cannot confront even mere commentsAug 21 21:00
schestowitzwhich even trump allows, while banning some responders but not allAug 21 21:00
DaemonFC[m]Pretty much. There's no such thing as a lifetime career anymore. Reagan, the silver-tongued devil started chipping away at everything that was great about this country, including a middle class lifestyle with one member of the family working, in a union job.Aug 21 21:02
MinceRFission MailedAug 21 21:03
DaemonFC[m]My parents gave that up because they didn't like black people and big cities and the dog whistle worked on them.Aug 21 21:03
DaemonFC[m]You just play to people's base instincts and you never lose, apparently. Aug 21 21:03
MinceRRonnie RaygunAug 21 21:04
schestowitzRailgunAug 21 21:04
schestowitzRoguelegAug 21 21:04
schestowitzRegluedAug 21 21:04
MinceR:>Aug 21 21:04
schestowitzRoly RogueyAug 21 21:04
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Dylan Beattie 🇪🇺 @ 🏡🔑🔽 (@dylanbeattie): "Danish orthography says that place names starting with Aa should be sorted as if they start with Å - but ONLY IF THEY ARE PLACES IN SCANDINAVIA. So this list is in Danish alphabetical order: Aachen Berlin Zurich Aarhus But, sure, it's the *computers* that make life difficult..." | nitterAug 21 21:05
MinceRlolAug 21 21:05
schestowitzRoRo, roll on, roll ourAug 21 21:05
schestowitzRoRo, roll on, roll outAug 21 21:05
schestowitziirc, it's a pinoy word of some kindAug 21 21:05
kingoffrancerawhideAug 21 21:05
DaemonFC[m]I do believe there's like a 90% chance Biden wins, but it's not going to end the American Carnage that Trump sent into overtime. It's a return to "normal". The "normal" that gave us Trump to begin with. This isn't, you know, everyone loves Biden. It's more like a 1976 election where people are just so fatigued of scandals and recessions that they'll take anything else. So even without a base, Biden is the clearAug 21 21:05
DaemonFC[m]favorite. Just like Carter was.Aug 21 21:05
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: If the US didn't have FPTP elections, what odds would both Trump and Biden have at winning the election?Aug 21 21:07
XRevan86a trick question, yesAug 21 21:07
DaemonFC[m]It's going to be a weird map too, apparently, like Trump being so weak that Biden will probably peel off at least some states where people look on Wikipedia some day and go "Arizona, Georgia, and North Carolina? Texas!?".Aug 21 21:07
DaemonFC[m]It's not just going to be Trump's loss, it will be a singing, humiliating defeat for the Republicans that throws their party into disarray for years.Aug 21 21:08
DaemonFC[m]*stingingAug 21 21:08
DaemonFC[m]At the beginning of the cycle, things didn't look that bad for Trump, and by not that bad I mean even New Hampshire flickered pink for like a second there, but now he's down 8 points in the polls in New Hampshire.Aug 21 21:09
DaemonFC[m]New Hampshire doesn't have that many votes. Just 4. But it's considered kind of a bellwether state because of its demographics. It's where a lot of independent voters that could go either way live so that they don't have to live in Massachusetts and pay outrageous taxes.Aug 21 21:11
DaemonFC[m]Illinois never signed a tax totalization agreement with Indiana, so there is no out of state resident rate on people who commute.Aug 21 21:12
DaemonFC[m]You end up paying Illinois rates and then deducting it out of your Indiana taxes, which should bring your Indiana taxes down to zero.Aug 21 21:12
DaemonFC[m]So we get the taxes and screw Indiana because their tax code let's you deduct taxes paid to another state.Aug 21 21:13
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DaemonFC[m]There's not really that much incentive to try to live in Indiana and commute. One of John's coworkers at Midway tried moving across the state line and commuting to Midway and it was just too difficult. The Indiana trains break down or get stuck too much to rely on, and driving is a mess.Aug 21 21:14
DaemonFC[m]I'd probably do some spending in New Hampshire.Aug 21 21:24
DaemonFC[m]Lots of reasons. Area denial being one of them. If the polls start closing there first and it's clear that Biden swept the entire Eastern seaboard from Maine to Virginia along with Pennsylvania, gives him more cover to start measuring for curtains in the Oval office, even if Trump manages to muddy the waters somewhere else.Aug 21 21:25
DaemonFC[m]There will be some in person voting going on for 4 hours after the polls close on that side of the country.Aug 21 21:26
DaemonFC[m]If it looks like Trump is starting to lose big time, it could demoralize the other side somewhat.Aug 21 21:26
DaemonFC[m]They might not vote at all.Aug 21 21:26
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: can you help me read/proofread?Aug 21 21:31
DaemonFC[m]Yeah.Aug 21 21:31
schestowitzcheers. 21 21:32
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: The Lake County clerk says there will be a secure ballot box at the courthouse.Aug 21 21:33
schestowitza condom for each fingerAug 21 21:33
schestowitzmail is... saferAug 21 21:33
DaemonFC[m]Instead of mailing the ballot back, you can just drop it off there. I think I'll do that. With the reports that Trump has fucked up the post office so bad that the sorting centers are overflowing with prescriptions that people aren't getting, dead animals, and rotting food, this way I know they'll get my vote.Aug 21 21:33
DaemonFC[m]What makes you say that? Especially with the unindicted felons that Trump put in charge of the post office?Aug 21 21:34
schestowitzpoor people cannot drive to the courthouseAug 21 21:34
schestowitzthey need public transportAug 21 21:34
schestowitzanother risky trip for themAug 21 21:34
schestowitzjust to cast a voteAug 21 21:35
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: are you reading btw?Aug 21 21:35
DaemonFC[m]PACE is still running. Aug 21 21:35
DaemonFC[m]As soon as I get done laughing.Aug 21 21:35
DaemonFC[m]Alien 3 meme. Better than most of the ones I've seen you do.Aug 21 21:35
schestowitzI fixed the bold faceAug 21 21:38
schestowitzhtml typoAug 21 21:38
DaemonFC[m]"Some call them “liberal” through it’s a misnomer as from the user’s point of view liberties are taken away"Aug 21 21:40
DaemonFC[m]Some call them “liberal”, through it’s a misnomer, as from the user’s point of view liberties are taken away Aug 21 21:40
DaemonFC[m]"“liberal” word alludes to the freedom one one to exploit"Aug 21 21:40
DaemonFC[m]one gets? one receives?Aug 21 21:41
DaemonFC[m]"deny access to software “improved” version of software."Aug 21 21:42
schestowitzI found lots of mistakesAug 21 21:42
DaemonFC[m]deny access to "improved" versions of the softwareAug 21 21:42
schestowitzyeahAug 21 21:42
schestowitzspotted doneAug 21 21:42
schestowitzit's done nowAug 21 21:42
DaemonFC[m]"Ever noticed how much Apple charges for the only computers permitted to run the Apple operating systems?"Aug 21 21:42
schestowitzI caught about 6 errorsAug 21 21:42
DaemonFC[m]Nothing wrong here, but you might mention that when you buy it, the T2 chip makes it obsolete the moment Apple withdraws support, as it cannot run GNU/Linux or anything else. Aug 21 21:43
DaemonFC[m]That's a VERY serious problem because even if you buy it used, it won't be a computer that serves you well as a "Linux box".Aug 21 21:43
schestowitzthat's not a licensing restrictionAug 21 21:44
schestowitzbut technical impedimentAug 21 21:44
schestowitzwow, I found lots of typos in this oneAug 21 21:44
schestowitzBTW, did you see 21 21:45
schestowitzwe really need to get those court docsAug 21 21:45
schestowitzgates is apparently blocking all comments in Twitter nowAug 21 21:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Melinda and Zoophilia Found in Tandem in the Illegal Pornographic ‘Stash’ of Bill Gates’ Engineer | TechrightsAug 21 21:45
schestowitzand googlebombing the media with vaccine spamAug 21 21:46
DaemonFC[m]Bestiality porn is both illegal and not illegal in Illinois, btw. Aug 21 21:46
DaemonFC[m]It's not illegal to possess, but it is illegal to make or distribute, so theoretically they could bust anyone who shares it on bittorrent or something.Aug 21 21:46
schestowitzbesides the point, I thinkAug 21 21:48
schestowitzmorality being the caseAug 21 21:48
schestowitzand there seems to be kiddie pr0n thereAug 21 21:48
schestowitzsee the filenameAug 21 21:48
DaemonFC[m]It was mentioned in passing on Better Call Saul where he hands a guy a paper and says "What do you see?" and the guy goes "A man....fucking a horse!?".Aug 21 21:48
schestowitzmaybe kids with animalsAug 21 21:48
DaemonFC[m]He says, "Just imagine that horse is the bank."Aug 21 21:48
DaemonFC[m]I don't know how that line made its way into the show though.Aug 21 21:48
schestowitzreactions of gates are not mostly consistent with 'prince' andrew...Aug 21 21:49
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: So Rick Jones is all kinds of fucked in the head.Aug 21 21:49
DaemonFC[m]It's not just kids. It's animals.Aug 21 21:49
schestowitzbut we don't know the nature of things or what was knownAug 21 21:49
schestowitzmaybe gates knows something about someone elseAug 21 21:49
schestowitzlike Gary LittleAug 21 21:50
schestowitzand was eager to keep Epstein quiet, or whiten his name somehowAug 21 21:50
schestowitzwe don't knowAug 21 21:50
schestowitzwe just know there's a need to dig moreAug 21 21:50
schestowitzif he was innocent, he would not speak through proxiesAug 21 21:50
schestowitzand would not repeatedly lie, tooAug 21 21:50
schestowitzyou don't need to lie when you're innocentAug 21 21:50
schestowitzso we need those court docsAug 21 21:51
schestowitzand see how quickly they deliverAug 21 21:51
schestowitzif they did not remove/lost/redacted some alreadyAug 21 21:51
schestowitzNHS says 190k+ tests for covid19 processAug 21 21:52
schestowitz*edAug 21 21:52
schestowitzso 1 in about 200 of those selected for testing come out positiveAug 21 21:53
schestowitzI guess uk can bring down deaths to zero soonAug 21 21:53
schestowitzthen I don't imagine demand or vaccines would be high anymoreAug 21 21:53
schestowitzit's not like we're planning to pack football stadiums any time soon anyway...Aug 21 21:53
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: some sites get sweaty below the neck over our articlesAug 21 21:58
schestowitznot because they're wrongAug 21 21:58
schestowitzbut not convenientAug 21 21:58
schestowitzthe IBM, Microsoft, Gates stuffAug 21 21:58
schestowitznot convenient to the common liesAug 21 21:58
DaemonFC[m]Worldometer says that after 3 weeks of inconsistent reporting between half a dozen Texas counties and their state health department, they changed Texas to go with the state's accounting, which counts probable deaths.Aug 21 22:03
DaemonFC[m]And more than 1,000 deaths were added from half a dozen Texas counties by that measure.Aug 21 22:03
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DaemonFC[m]If Florida was counting probable deaths, you'd add over 3,000 based on what I've seen in other states that switched to the CDC guidelines.Aug 21 22:04
DaemonFC[m]Truth is, we're probably at 200,000 already, or more, even though officially it's at 179,000 right now.Aug 21 22:05
DaemonFC[m]Many red states are doing everything they can to suppress what a horrible job they've done with the virus. It's cheaper for Republicans to change the meaning of what a COVID death is than try to contain their outbreaks.Aug 21 22:06
schestowitztrueAug 21 22:06
schestowitza lot easier, not just cheaper, tooAug 21 22:06
DaemonFC[m]Never ascribe to malice that which can adequately be attributed to stupidity. True to form, pretty much all the government and party officials who have gotten sick from COVID or died have been Republicans.Aug 21 22:07
schestowitzcan dead people vote?Aug 21 22:08
schestowitznot a trick questionAug 21 22:08
schestowitzwith trump everything is possibleAug 21 22:09
schestowitzdejoy is just a little clown showAug 21 22:09
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DaemonFC[m]The funny part here is that Republicans spent so many years passing Voter ID laws that they might run into a problem if someone thought to stuff the ballot box with dead voters who came back to life to support Trump.Aug 21 22:21
DaemonFC[m]The only thing I have to do in Illinois to vote is sign a form. My signature is on file with the County Clerk and they electronically match it, and the ballot must arrive in a sealed envelope inside of an outer envelope. The inner envelope has a unique barcode on it, and another place I have to sign where my signature will be compared with the one on file.Aug 21 22:22
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DaemonFC[m]Truth is that it would be almost impossible to put very many fake ballots into the box even though I don't have to show them ID.Aug 21 22:23
DaemonFC[m]Also, the severity of the crime of showing up multiple times and claiming to be different people means that there's no incentive for me to even risk doing it.Aug 21 22:23
DaemonFC[m]20 years in prison is not even worth the risk of adding another ballot to the box.Aug 21 22:24
DaemonFC[m]I could request a ballot for some other registered voter, but where would I send it?Aug 21 22:25
schestowitzcan't do elections right in 2020...Aug 21 22:25
schestowitzwowAug 21 22:25
schestowitzcould be done ages agoAug 21 22:26
DaemonFC[m]To the address I live at? Bad idea. To the PO Box? MY PO BOX? The one where they probably wouldn't deliver it since they know who is allowed to get mail?Aug 21 22:26
schestowitzsounds like a simple taskAug 21 22:26
schestowitzx people voteAug 21 22:26
schestowitzone person, one choiceAug 21 22:26
schestowitzno ranked votingAug 21 22:26
DaemonFC[m]Trump's accusations about mail voting being rife with fraud are huge lies. HUGE even for him.Aug 21 22:26
schestowitzverify each person is uniqueAug 21 22:26
schestowitzthe specs are so simpleAug 21 22:26
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I suppose I could sign up to be an election judge.Aug 21 22:27
DaemonFC[m]Truth be told, I could use some extra money.Aug 21 22:27
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schestowitzno homage to QAnon in the speech?Aug 21 22:32
schestowitzThen that would not impress Carl & MadameAug 21 22:32
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kingoffrancePence told CNN: “We think there is a miracle around the corner.”Aug 21 22:36
schestowitzrapture?Aug 21 22:36
kingoffrancethey bill it that way, i dont think they actually believe it themselvesAug 21 22:37
schestowitzCOVID loves RaptureAug 21 22:37
schestowitzand it loves COVID backAug 21 22:37
schestowitzit's "God's plan"Aug 21 22:37
schestowitz"in mysterious ways"Aug 21 22:37
schestowitzlike ventilators and stuffAug 21 22:37
kingoffrancewell they denied it all at firstAug 21 22:38
kingoffranceso its a strange spinAug 21 22:38
kingoffrancenot beyond themAug 21 22:38
kingoffrancehoax -> blame china -> god meant to do thatAug 21 22:39
kingoffrancethe progressionAug 21 22:39
schestowitzGod is everywhereAug 21 22:39
schestowitzGod is everythingAug 21 22:39
schestowitzGod is COVIDAug 21 22:39
schestowitzDown on your kneesAug 21 22:39
schestowitzZod COVIDAug 21 22:40
schestowitzlick itAug 21 22:40
kingoffranceim sure somewhere they debated "blame democrats" "blame china" ...Aug 21 22:42
kingoffrancethat was the "safe" choice im sureAug 21 22:42
kingoffrancebecause you know they would if they couldAug 21 22:42
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schestowitzhow about...Aug 21 22:45
schestowitzblame "chinese democrats"?Aug 21 22:45
schestowitzor "chinese democratic hoax"?Aug 21 22:45
kingoffrancewell its a republic obviously :)Aug 21 22:46
kingoffrancepeople republicAug 21 22:46
schestowitzPeople's Repugnant CHinaAug 21 22:46
schestowitzaka PRCAug 21 22:46
kingoffrancei guess its strange when the propaganda you want to imitate is no longer fashionableAug 21 22:49
kingoffranceif they were doing it nowadays theyd surely be a democracyAug 21 22:49
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kingoffranceits like that:  You step in the stream,Aug 21 22:54
kingoffranceBut the water has moved onAug 21 22:54
kingoffranceThe site is not here.Aug 21 22:54
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DaemonFC[m]I just wrote a letter to the mayor.Aug 21 22:57
DaemonFC[m]"I vote! They'll never check..... I pay taxes! They'll never check." -Al BundyAug 21 22:57
DaemonFC[m]"Now you listen here. I voted for Mayor........McCheese!"Aug 21 22:57
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I read on Wikipedia that they did a German adaptation, but it was just a direct translation of the scripts and replacing some references that only Americans get here and there. Aug 21 22:58
DaemonFC[m]It flopped.Aug 21 22:59
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DaemonFC[m]It spawned a lot of spin offs in other countries, but none of them lasted 10 years.Aug 21 22:59
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schestowitz[22:57] <DaemonFC[m]> "Now you listen here. I voted for Mayor........McCheese!"Aug 21 23:07
schestowitzreal name?Aug 21 23:07
schestowitzor from Bundy?Aug 21 23:07
DaemonFC[m]Bundy.Aug 21 23:08
schestowitzEd OnealAug 21 23:08
DaemonFC[m]Didn't know who the mayor was when he called city hall.Aug 21 23:08
DaemonFC[m]Mayor McCheese was a McDonaldLand character. Aug 21 23:09
DaemonFC[m]McDonalds committed copyright infringement.Aug 21 23:09
DaemonFC[m]They based all of the McDonaldLand stuff on something else and got sued and ended up paying a lot of money.Aug 21 23:09
schestowitzhaAug 21 23:09
schestowitztrumpland deaths at over 1k deaths again despite the manipulationsAug 21 23:09
schestowitzhigher than india and brazilAug 21 23:10
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, I've had Mandy wearing two masks just like I do.Aug 21 23:10
schestowitzindia now second in the world for number of testsAug 21 23:10
DaemonFC[m]Several of the other employees at Walmart have had COVID-19, but he hasn't.Aug 21 23:10
schestowitzindia doing 800k tests a datAug 21 23:10
schestowitz*dayAug 21 23:10
schestowitzmore than trumpland doesAug 21 23:11
DaemonFC[m]I send him to work with the masks and a full bottle of hand sanitizer and tell him to use it every time he touches something that other people have touched.Aug 21 23:11
DaemonFC[m]The only cost of overusing hand sanitizer is buying more hand sanitizer.Aug 21 23:12
DaemonFC[m]They have it in stock in good amounts again.Aug 21 23:12
DaemonFC[m]The cost of forgetting to use it just once might be "on a ventilator with 50/50 odds of living.Aug 21 23:12
DaemonFC[m]So, err on the side of using too much hand sanitizer.Aug 21 23:13
schestowitzand in the uS medical billsAug 21 23:13
schestowitzi.e. likely bankruptcyAug 21 23:13
schestowitzand scarred lungsAug 21 23:13
schestowitzaside from debtAug 21 23:13
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: all the public places here have sanitiserAug 21 23:13
schestowitzshops, eateriesAug 21 23:13
schestowitzwe use it on the way in and outAug 21 23:13
schestowitzso no need to carry our own muchAug 21 23:14
DaemonFC[m]The US death toll in April was horrific, I think, because there were no mask mandates yet and there wasn't any hand sanitizer at the store.Aug 21 23:14
DaemonFC[m]It's still not great, but less than half what it was per day then.Aug 21 23:14
schestowitzhuuurd immpunityAug 21 23:15
schestowitzbrb coffeeAug 21 23:15
schestowitzi work at 1amAug 21 23:15
schestowitz3 days in a row, maybe 4Aug 21 23:15
DaemonFC[m]Some people recovering might be partially why it's slowed down a bit as far as the deaths.Aug 21 23:16
DaemonFC[m]Level of exposure seems to be an important factor.Aug 21 23:17
DaemonFC[m]In how likely it is to become really bad.Aug 21 23:17
DaemonFC[m]That's why Bill Gates played Captain Obvious again and said that the vaccine should go to healthcare workers first.Aug 21 23:18
DaemonFC[m]1. They're most likely to be exposed to it the most. DUHAug 21 23:18
DaemonFC[m]2. We don't want staff at the hospital transmitting it to patients who didn't have it before.Aug 21 23:19
schestowitzGates needs the disraction right nowAug 21 23:21
schestowitzwe need those court docsAug 21 23:21
schestowitzhe has been doing this since last yearAug 21 23:23
schestowitzthe whole epstein chaosAug 21 23:23
schestowitzhe wants people to talk about him in relation to something elseAug 21 23:24
schestowitzbut people keep coming back to the epstein thingAug 21 23:24
schestowitzso he's blocking comments nowAug 21 23:24
schestowitzand retreats from questions about itAug 21 23:24
schestowitzepstein and gates both play/act like science expertsAug 21 23:25
schestowitzneither of them IS one...Aug 21 23:25
schestowitzthey just use that "whitecoat syndrome"Aug 21 23:25
schestowitzand bribe facultiesAug 21 23:25
schestowitzlike the ones gates never graduated fromAug 21 23:26
schestowitzto sort of associate in the public mind their image with scienceAug 21 23:26
schestowitzone external cd of jones contained lots of known CPAug 21 23:27
schestowitzbased on the docs from ncmacAug 21 23:28
schestowitzbut the filenames do not say muchAug 21 23:28
schestowitz*ncmecAug 21 23:28
schestowitzthe pissing stuff comes from a CD alsoAug 21 23:29
schestowitzthose are external, maybe imported/exportedAug 21 23:29
schestowitzwe don't know where from/toAug 21 23:29
schestowitz"Aug 21 23:32
schestowitzFiles\5\wolfspread.jpgAug 21 23:32
schestowitzS:\Ian\14-22121 Jones\Deduplicated EvidenceAug 21 23:32
schestowitzFiles\5\wong (2).jpgAug 21 23:32
schestowitzS:\Ian\14-22121 Jones\Deduplicated EvidenceAug 21 23:32
schestowitzFiles\5\wong.jpgAug 21 23:32
schestowitz"Aug 21 23:32
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: assuming he leaves nearbyAug 21 23:32
schestowitzcan you search for CP cases on him?Aug 21 23:32
schestowitzto see if he too was chased down?Aug 21 23:32
schestowitz"Aug 21 23:33
schestowitzS:\Ian\14-22121 Jones\Deduplicated EvidenceAug 21 23:33
schestowitzFiles\2\asnb16jackin wong.jpgAug 21 23:33
schestowitz"Aug 21 23:33
DaemonFC[m]Asian Boy 16 Jacking Wong....Aug 21 23:38
DaemonFC[m]That's suspicious.Aug 21 23:38
schestowitzwang means dickAug 21 23:39
schestowitzurban slandAug 21 23:39
schestowitzslangAug 21 23:39
schestowitznot sure about "Wong"Aug 21 23:39
schestowitzwhich is a very common nameAug 21 23:39
schestowitzif there's a case on David Wong too, then we should FOIA itAug 21 23:42
schestowitzthat can give more cluesAug 21 23:42
schestowitzre potential partner in crimeAug 21 23:42
schestowitzor...Aug 21 23:42
schestowitzyou could send email to that gmail addreessAug 21 23:42
schestowitzwhich I doubt would still workAug 21 23:42
schestowitzand might not get you a reply, eitherAug 21 23:42
DaemonFC[m]If someone ever did email me something inappropriate I'd probably delete it immediately followed by the entire account.Aug 21 23:44
DaemonFC[m]That raises a defense to state charges where I live.Aug 21 23:44
DaemonFC[m]Besides, Google probably doesn't retain data forever when an account gets deleted. But who knows.Aug 21 23:45
DaemonFC[m]Facebook claims they get rid of it after 6 months.Aug 21 23:45
DaemonFC[m]If you don't delete the account and the state goes looking for it at some point, it will definitely be there.Aug 21 23:45
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Again, it's not just how many people the virus kills, going back to that.Aug 21 23:47
DaemonFC[m]It almost always kills old people, which exit polls show were the only ones supporting Trump more often than not.Aug 21 23:47
DaemonFC[m]Not good news for him even at the "It's directly killing his base." level.Aug 21 23:48
DaemonFC[m]I saw a poll fly by this morning that was interesting.Aug 21 23:48
DaemonFC[m]9% of the people who voted Trump in 2016 say they'll vote for Biden now, compared to just 4% who voted for Hillary Clinton who say Trump now.Aug 21 23:49
DaemonFC[m]But where it gets interesting is that Biden has an 11 point lead over Trump in people who say they voted for a third party in 2016 but are going to vote for Biden or Trump now.Aug 21 23:49
DaemonFC[m]And a 20 point lead in people who didn't vote then and say they will now.Aug 21 23:50
DaemonFC[m]It's not great news for Trump that he doesn't even come close in any category and that he's managed to piss of a lot of marginal voters, who say they'll vote now and for Biden.Aug 21 23:50
DaemonFC[m]And that he's lost more than double the percentage of his own base than the Democrats have of theirs.Aug 21 23:50
DaemonFC[m]I just don't see how Trump could win an election with numbers this bad. Aug 21 23:51
DaemonFC[m]This is almost where we were at in 2008.Aug 21 23:51
DaemonFC[m]Clinton's lead was never as high as Biden's has been over Trump at any point, and by election day it had evaporated to within the margin of polling error.Aug 21 23:53
DaemonFC[m]She did come out ahead in the total vote, but not in the right places.Aug 21 23:53
kingoffrancei dunno, theoretically hes playing to his base, but how many ppl left his administration "voluntarily" or otherwise? e.g. bannon. e.g. scaramucci. e.g. cohen.    guiliani disappeared i guess, after claiming he has "security" on trump        i guess, theres a base, but it appears an ever-shifting base with ever-shifting purity levelsAug 21 23:53
DaemonFC[m]I asked my dad what he made of the KOLFAGE and BANNON issue.Aug 21 23:54
DaemonFC[m]He said that they deserve to rot in jail for deceiving people into giving them money and that they're a bunch of bastards.Aug 21 23:54
DaemonFC[m]He says he still wants a wall though.Aug 21 23:54
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DaemonFC[m]My guess is that they're fucked, like I said yesterday.Aug 21 23:55
DaemonFC[m]80% of the jury in a Manhattan courtroom will convict them for being Kolfage and Bannon.Aug 21 23:55
kingoffranceand how many republicans will "turn" and were just waiting for this moment?Aug 21 23:55
DaemonFC[m]The other 20% are pissed off that they ripped Republicans off and the small photo op sections of the wall are falling down already.Aug 21 23:55
DaemonFC[m]It's a happy coincidence that this happened during the DNC.Aug 21 23:56
DaemonFC[m]Trump tried to have a rally in Scranton and it got no media attention at all.Aug 21 23:56
DaemonFC[m]Fox News praised Biden's speech and said it was fantastic.Aug 21 23:56
DaemonFC[m]If anything else got covered it was Bannon and Kolfage and their wall scam.Aug 21 23:56
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DaemonFC[m]This stunt of Trump's to reopen the schools backfired badly.Aug 21 23:59
DaemonFC[m]They were open for a week or two, they caused an explosion of COVID-19 everywhere they tried it, and then they had to shut down again anyway, and tell tens of thousands of people to quarantine themselves.Aug 21 23:59

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