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| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sint_Maarten | Sep 21 00:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Sint Maarten - Wikipedia | Sep 21 00:00 | |
| schestowitz | "As of 2018, Sint Maarten has the 14th largest GDP per capita in the world (including territories) when measured by purchasing power parity, over three times as high as its French counterpart" | Sep 21 00:00 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sint_Maarten#/media/File:Air_Caraibes_Airbus_A330-323X_Breidenstein-2.jpg | Sep 21 00:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Sint Maarten - Wikipedia | Sep 21 00:02 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I like how movies portray people without a college degree living like they make $400,000 a year. | Sep 21 00:02 |
| schestowitz | same in media | Sep 21 00:03 |
| schestowitz | MSM | Sep 21 00:03 |
| schestowitz | they overplay the American Dream | Sep 21 00:03 |
| schestowitz | at the same time they make people feel shame, overmotivating them to suit the images in the flicks | Sep 21 00:04 |
| schestowitz | giving people a sense of worthlessness puts them on meds | Sep 21 00:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz about the only way you'd get me to risk getting on a plane right now is if I was a woman living in a red state that couldn't get an abortion there. | Sep 21 00:04 |
| schestowitz | I recently found out how many USians >still< pay student debt | Sep 21 00:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Get some KN95s and get in there. | Sep 21 00:04 |
| schestowitz | my sister flies in 2 weeks | Sep 21 00:05 |
| schestowitz | they have become overburdened by the lockdowns | Sep 21 00:05 |
| schestowitz | with kids in the home | Sep 21 00:05 |
| schestowitz | but I said, first of all the flight might be canceled | Sep 21 00:05 |
| schestowitz | and hotels would not issue refunds | Sep 21 00:05 |
| schestowitz | second, you can catch illnesses and the travel is not convenient | Sep 21 00:05 |
| schestowitz | [17:05] <liberty_box> https://pop.inquirer.net/99868/airlines-flight-to-nowhere-gets-fully-booked-in-10-minutes | Sep 21 00:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pop.inquirer.net | Airline’s flight ‘to nowhere’ gets fully booked in 10 minutes | Sep 21 00:06 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Some Comfort Inns are declaring bankruptcy. | Sep 21 00:06 |
| schestowitz | [17:05] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- pop.inquirer.net | Airline’s flight ‘to nowhere’ gets fully booked in 10 minutes | Sep 21 00:06 |
| schestowitz | People. Are. Nuts. | Sep 21 00:06 |
| MinceR | that's an insult to nuts :> | Sep 21 00:06 |
| schestowitz | technically legume | Sep 21 00:06 |
| MinceR | only peanuts | Sep 21 00:06 |
| schestowitz | people are peabrains | Sep 21 00:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Can't get travelers to stay there. Probably the reason the manager here froze our rate was because we've been living here and not causing problems and if the rent was any higher I'd find a more upscale hotel to live in. | Sep 21 00:07 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 21 00:07 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: they can become quarantine camps | Sep 21 00:07 |
| schestowitz | or portable hospitals | Sep 21 00:07 |
| schestowitz | to deal with patient spillovers | Sep 21 00:07 |
| schestowitz | either way, they need to reinvent themselves somehow | Sep 21 00:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The rate new guests pay is $1,200 a month. For that I may as well go pay $1600 for one that isn't a dump. | Sep 21 00:08 |
| schestowitz | not just by offering loads of hand sanitiser | Sep 21 00:08 |
| schestowitz | that's too much if you mean motel | Sep 21 00:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'd definitely move back into the Candlewood if this place went over $1,200. | Sep 21 00:08 |
| schestowitz | and not Comfort Inns | Sep 21 00:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The difference just isn't worth the nuisances at that point. | Sep 21 00:09 |
| schestowitz | hotels are for travelers | Sep 21 00:09 |
| schestowitz | usually but not always overseas | Sep 21 00:09 |
| schestowitz | far away from one's own home | Sep 21 00:09 |
| schestowitz | so return for sleep not possible | Sep 21 00:09 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Oh, I don't have a home. This is all I have. | Sep 21 00:09 |
| schestowitz | if people stop traveling, the hotels become obsolete | Sep 21 00:10 |
| schestowitz | the Hilton here, I was told 5 days ago, fired 70 out of 180 staff | Sep 21 00:10 |
| schestowitz | that's almost half | Sep 21 00:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm hoping to hunker down here until I can get that fucking misdemeanor expunged and put some good marks on my credit report. | Sep 21 00:10 |
| schestowitz | and they never reopened their gym, either... and pool, spa... | Sep 21 00:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If I ever see John again it may not all be a lie on the part of the state again. I'm pissed off nearly to the point of ripping off his head and shitting down his neck after this last year. | Sep 21 00:11 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: well, few people your age own a home anyway | Sep 21 00:11 |
| schestowitz | homes are overpriced and salaries too low | Sep 21 00:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Thank god he's nowhere near Illinois. | Sep 21 00:11 |
| schestowitz | and jobs become scarce | Sep 21 00:11 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 21 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Messages from Firefox | Sep 21 00:12 |
| schestowitz | COVID-19 articles your prime summer reading? Must still be 2020. See Pocket’s top ten not-so-expected stories from this not-so-average August. | Sep 21 00:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 21 00:12 |
| schestowitz | WTF, Mozilla? | Sep 21 00:12 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | The forum I totally don't read and laugh at was furious about the Black Lives Matter (burn loot murder) support being put in Firefox. | Sep 21 00:28 |
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| MinceR | (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxlqlddhHNY | Sep 21 00:31 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: If Republicans were really smart, they'd support abortion, no restrictions, government pays for it. | Sep 21 00:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It keeps the crime down. Keeps welfare down. | Sep 21 00:34 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC[m]: if superman is so smart, why does he wear his underpants over his pants? | Sep 21 00:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: My mom says "Some of these women are having 6 or 7 of them!". | Sep 21 00:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "Yeah, it would be better if they had 6-7 more welfare babies with them at the Walmart spending your tax money with their SNAP card before they go back to their Section 8 hives, right?". | Sep 21 00:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Some of these women get $1200 a month in SNAP and a free apartment and no man in sight.". | Sep 21 00:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "All of them on Medicaid including the mom because she's got kids." | Sep 21 00:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | An abortion costs Illinois Medicaid about $400 once. | Sep 21 00:38 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: you are excusing police brutality and murdering cops | Sep 21 00:38 |
| schestowitz | by associating response to it with "burn loot murder" | Sep 21 00:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No, I think they're a bunch of bastards too. | Sep 21 00:38 |
| schestowitz | stick to tech/science pls | Sep 21 00:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Both sides are scum. | Sep 21 00:38 |
| MinceR | naturally | Sep 21 00:38 |
| MinceR | they're humans | Sep 21 00:38 |
| MinceR | EXTERMINATE! | Sep 21 00:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said Firefox is spewing this shit in everyone's face. | Sep 21 00:38 |
| schestowitz | it does | Sep 21 00:39 |
| schestowitz | I moved almost everything to Falkon | Sep 21 00:39 |
| schestowitz | Even the last thing, blog postings | Sep 21 00:39 |
| schestowitz | but my browsing history is in FF | Sep 21 00:39 |
| schestowitz | so sometimes I still open it on the side... | Sep 21 00:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: It's like Rimmer in Red Dwarf talking about his theory about the military. | Sep 21 00:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The side with the shortest hair wins. | Sep 21 00:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Vietnam. Crew cuts both sides. Draw." | Sep 21 00:40 |
| schestowitz | opening a new tab, however, gives me google search bars, my browsing stuff (which I presume Mozilla 'telemetry' gives them as well), and "messages from Firefox" | Sep 21 00:40 |
| schestowitz | (which I never asked for) | Sep 21 00:40 |
| MinceR | (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHJbSvidohg | Sep 21 00:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Blazing Saddles... You know, morons. - YouTube | Sep 21 00:40 | |
| schestowitz | it's proprietary software/clown computing behaviour | Sep 21 00:40 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: except US lost in Vietnam | Sep 21 00:41 |
| schestowitz | they killed a lot more people | Sep 21 00:41 |
| schestowitz | but eventually the Reds took over Saigon | Sep 21 00:41 |
| schestowitz | and changed its name, too | Sep 21 00:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Firefox is making people rightly angry with them because you can't even open your new tab page without them taking one of the terrorist faction's side and pissing everyone off. | Sep 21 00:42 |
| schestowitz | In North Korea it was a draw | Sep 21 00:42 |
| schestowitz | they left a mess, as they often do | Sep 21 00:42 |
| schestowitz | US invades country | Sep 21 00:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Few people like Burn Loot Murder or the piggies. | Sep 21 00:42 |
| schestowitz | leaves a mess | Sep 21 00:42 |
| schestowitz | then leaves | Sep 21 00:42 |
| schestowitz | the typical way | Sep 21 00:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Implying that to hate one side means you like the other is retarded. | Sep 21 00:42 |
| schestowitz | The British did that in Palestine too, but under Turks and Romans it was a mess also | Sep 21 00:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think people should just buy guns and be armed and if you were really being threatened, shoot the fucker. | Sep 21 00:43 |
| schestowitz | Does the American edu system still teach that the US did not lose in Vietnam? | Sep 21 00:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Better judged by 12 than carried by 6. | Sep 21 00:43 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Another thing about this genuine reaction is that he has a look of "oops, I accidentally lost it" on his face %). | Sep 21 00:43 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 21 00:43 |
| schestowitz | there would not be so many south Vietnamese refugees had the US won | Sep 21 00:43 |
| schestowitz | they had to evacuate loads of people | Sep 21 00:43 |
| schestowitz | before fleeing | Sep 21 00:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes, including Joy. Ugh. | Sep 21 00:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | One of the few we need to send back. What a bitch. | Sep 21 00:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't think we should still have TPS for Vietnam. The situation there is stabilized. We don't issue TPS to every Chinese person that comes here, and their government is worse than Vietnam's. | Sep 21 00:44 |
| schestowitz | you are misogynistic | Sep 21 00:44 |
| schestowitz | and you assume that because you're gay you'll get away with it | Sep 21 00:44 |
| schestowitz | but guess what, you won't... | Sep 21 00:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | How so? | Sep 21 00:45 |
| schestowitz | you use lots of misogynistic slurs | Sep 21 00:45 |
| schestowitz | as if it's OK, "because I am gay" | Sep 21 00:45 |
| schestowitz | same towards blacks | Sep 21 00:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We took in a lot of people because in the 1970s the North Vietnamese were coming in and killing people and they're not an unstable country now. | Sep 21 00:46 |
| schestowitz | "I'm a minority, I'm gay, I can curse at other oppressed groups.." | Sep 21 00:46 |
| schestowitz | US doesn't get to just "send back" people | Sep 21 00:46 |
| schestowitz | they're not "on loan" | Sep 21 00:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's like those people who fled civil wars and natural disasters in the 1990s that are over now. | Sep 21 00:46 |
| schestowitz | if you think otherwise, send your family back to Ireland or whatever | Sep 21 00:46 |
| schestowitz | with just 5 million people and no famine risk | Sep 21 00:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But they still have "temporary status". Well, the courts just threw that out for 400,000 people who don't need it. | Sep 21 00:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Meanwhile, they're giving Mandy shit and me a hard time because I've exercised a legal right I have as a US Citizen. | Sep 21 00:47 |
| schestowitz | Mandy is new | Sep 21 00:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The people who have been here mooching off us and saying "I'm here now! No, I don't plan to use the legal option!" are what made Trump possible. | Sep 21 00:47 |
| schestowitz | and there are other profound differences | Sep 21 00:48 |
| schestowitz | he was never a refugee for starters | Sep 21 00:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This DACA thing is despicable. There are no legal underpinnings for it and it should be a lot smaller than it is. | Sep 21 00:48 |
| schestowitz | you're good at mocking Trump and his sympathisers | Sep 21 00:48 |
| schestowitz | but it's revealing you share a lot of their psyche | Sep 21 00:48 |
| schestowitz | often in a rather hypocritical fashion | Sep 21 00:49 |
| schestowitz | Mandy good, Joy bad.. | Sep 21 00:49 |
| schestowitz | Trump bad, BLM bad... | Sep 21 00:49 |
| schestowitz | you're contradicting even yourself | Sep 21 00:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She could have applied for US citizenship for over 40 years and then panicked at the last minute because of Trump? Give me a break! | Sep 21 00:49 |
| schestowitz | seems you dislike Trump mostly for his stance on sexual-type minorities | Sep 21 00:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This decisions could have literally been handed down at any time since 1974 and then what? | Sep 21 00:50 |
| schestowitz | because it is not convenient to you | Sep 21 00:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, because he's a fucking idiot. | Sep 21 00:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's that. I don't respect that. | Sep 21 00:50 |
| schestowitz | anyyyyywayyy.. | Sep 21 00:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's also a criminal, openly, and he's a deadbeat and a sex offender that keeps walking away from that. | Sep 21 00:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's a lot of reasons I've been fuming about Trump for 4 years. He's the worst president we've had since at least the 1800s. | Sep 21 00:51 |
| MinceR | the other dayyy | Sep 21 00:51 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: short story | Sep 21 00:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's probably half a dozen major reasons I don't like Trump and would pick literally anyone else. I voted for Clinton, remember. | Sep 21 00:52 |
| schestowitz | I can understand and I accept you have no interest in women sexually. But please refrain from using words like "bitch" here... you're not helping. | Sep 21 00:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you go back to what the Republicans were doing in the 60s or 70s, I might be able to support that. | Sep 21 00:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When they had a liberal wing and were trying to do something on healthcare and the environment and stuff. Now they're just an opposition party that can't even govern when they run everything. | Sep 21 00:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're a parody of everything they were even 20 years ago. | Sep 21 00:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Damn their entire party. | Sep 21 00:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I don't think that my worldview aligns neatly with any party out there, but that applies to most people in a two party system. | Sep 21 00:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think if Biden wins, we'll be normal in the worst ways, including all of the usual foreign meddling that we don't need to be involved in and just cost money. | Sep 21 00:55 |
| schestowitz | yup | Sep 21 00:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's a limited number of situations right now where I think it suits us to be involved. The situation in Taiwan is a big one and it's where we need to be focused. | Sep 21 00:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If the Chinese invade, they'll be even worse to them than they are to Hong Kong. | Sep 21 00:56 |
| schestowitz | The wave of fascistic, intolerant, hating politics might stop spreading to other countries | Sep 21 00:56 |
| schestowitz | Trump actively promotes hate and division, inc. Brexit | Sep 21 00:56 |
| schestowitz | china does not need to 'invade' Taiwan | Sep 21 00:57 |
| schestowitz | they are already in | Sep 21 00:57 |
| schestowitz | they just assert more powers over time | Sep 21 00:57 |
| schestowitz | same as in HK | Sep 21 00:57 |
| schestowitz | and then people lash out at them | Sep 21 00:57 |
| schestowitz | and eventually they can and often do get their way | Sep 21 00:57 |
| schestowitz | e.g. security law | Sep 21 00:57 |
| schestowitz | (extradition) | Sep 21 00:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The government is still interested in defending themselves from an actual invasion. | Sep 21 00:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'd say there are major important differences and if China senses that they can do it without taking staggering losses, they will. | Sep 21 00:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Hong Kong was different because the UK more or less accepted words that were obviously nothing but empty lies, pulled up the stakes, and left. | Sep 21 01:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was always a matter of if, not when. | Sep 21 01:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | *err, when not if | Sep 21 01:00 |
| smnthermes | > [20:12:54] schestowitz: Messages from Firefox | Sep 21 01:01 |
| smnthermes | Mozilla died in 2011 | Sep 21 01:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's nothing that the PRC has ever said or done, even in 1997, that would lead to believe that they could be trusted. | Sep 21 01:01 |
| smnthermes | https://drewdevault.com/2016/05/11/In-Memoriam-Mozilla.html | Sep 21 01:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-drewdevault.com | In Memoriam - Mozilla | Sep 21 01:01 | |
| schestowitz | smnthermes: why this year specifically? | Sep 21 01:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They also have committed to a series of major fuck ups, but for some reason everyone thinks they're all crafty and smart and efficient. | Sep 21 01:01 |
| schestowitz | there was gal writing chrome/google had won | Sep 21 01:01 |
| schestowitz | then the eich debacle | Sep 21 01:01 |
| schestowitz | the drm debacle | Sep 21 01:01 |
| schestowitz | and lots more | Sep 21 01:02 |
| schestowitz | "Today we look back to the life of Mozilla, a company that was best known for creating the Firefox web browser. I remember a company that made the web better and more open by providing a browser that was faster and more customizable than anyone had ever seen, and by making that browser free and open source." | Sep 21 01:02 |
| schestowitz | "Mozilla continued to improve their web browser, and I loved it. As I grew up and learned more about techology and started making my way into programming I loved it even more. I remember a time when I would tell my friends that I’d gladly appoint Mozilla as the steward of the open internet over the W3C. Firefox continued to evolve and allow for even more customiziability. Firefox truly became a hacker’s web browser." | Sep 21 01:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mitchell Baker doesn't have a background in Free Software. | Sep 21 01:02 |
| schestowitz | Ah, they used to have many extensions | Sep 21 01:02 |
| schestowitz | they killed almost all of them | Sep 21 01:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She's the one that wrote the MPL 1 that let Netscape and nobody else relicense such code as proprietary. | Sep 21 01:03 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: but she was there from the start | Sep 21 01:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then other software that wasn't even Mozilla's started using that license, and that right would go to Microsoft and then Facebook. | Sep 21 01:03 |
| schestowitz | "Chrome adopted a versioning scheme that made Mozilla nervous. They didn’t like being Firefox 4 next to Chrome 11. They made the first of many compromises when they switched to bumping the major version with each release. Mozilla died in April of 2011." | Sep 21 01:03 |
| schestowitz | so that's what he calls death/ | Sep 21 01:03 |
| schestowitz | Version inflation | Sep 21 01:03 |
| schestowitz | Well, a superficial criterion | Sep 21 01:03 |
| MinceR | maybe that's when they switched goals from making the best web browser to making an inferior clone of crashium | Sep 21 01:05 |
| schestowitz | heh | Sep 21 01:05 |
| schestowitz | with multi-process arch chrome was designed to make crashes acceptable | Sep 21 01:06 |
| schestowitz | "it's dead jib" | Sep 21 01:06 |
| schestowitz | *jim | Sep 21 01:06 |
| schestowitz | "oops" | Sep 21 01:06 |
| schestowitz | refresh page | Sep 21 01:06 |
| schestowitz | 'only' the tab crashed | Sep 21 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Firefox releases too often | Sep 21 01:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Google is dictating the web now, and Mozilla does nothing except copy it. It's always "Just this one more thing." now, and it's always one more thing. | Sep 21 01:06 |
| schestowitz | not enough testing | Sep 21 01:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Including the DRM. | Sep 21 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Debian does ESRs | Sep 21 01:06 |
| schestowitz | I debian I use 68.10.0esr (64-bit) | Sep 21 01:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: You can grab Firefox ESR in Ubuntu, either in Snap form or PPA. | Sep 21 01:07 |
| schestowitz | screw Ubuntu tbh | Sep 21 01:09 |
| schestowitz | they only now realise they have no community anymore | Sep 21 01:09 |
| schestowitz | after ben kensela or whatever his name was confronts mark shuttlecocky | Sep 21 01:09 |
| schestowitz | they used to be community-oriented | Sep 21 01:09 |
| schestowitz | they hired part of the community | Sep 21 01:09 |
| schestowitz | e.g. popey | Sep 21 01:09 |
| schestowitz | and now they push snaps and don't care what anyone thinks | Sep 21 01:10 |
| schestowitz | so they're no better than corporate distros | Sep 21 01:10 |
| MinceR | it _is_ a corporate distro | Sep 21 01:10 |
| schestowitz | it is | Sep 21 01:10 |
| MinceR | from canonical, orbiter of microshit | Sep 21 01:10 |
| schestowitz | fedora is less so | Sep 21 01:10 |
| MinceR | fedora is just as much so | Sep 21 01:10 |
| schestowitz | fedora seems to have more community element than ubuntu now | Sep 21 01:10 |
| schestowitz | even under ibm | Sep 21 01:10 |
| MinceR | fedora pushes hedrat's toxic shit early | Sep 21 01:11 |
| MinceR | they were the first distro to push cancerd as default | Sep 21 01:11 |
| MinceR | then again, maybe the cancerd cabal and proprietardydesktop are the "community" for them | Sep 21 01:11 |
| MinceR | s/rdy/ry/ | Sep 21 01:11 |
| smnthermes | Why not call it "enslaveddesktop"? | Sep 21 01:13 |
| schestowitz | [01:11] <MinceR> they were the first distro to push cancerd as default | Sep 21 01:13 |
| schestowitz | understandable given where it came from | Sep 21 01:13 |
| MinceR | which is exactly my point | Sep 21 01:13 |
| MinceR | they don't give two shits about the community | Sep 21 01:13 |
| schestowitz | that's the general direction | Sep 21 01:14 |
| MinceR | they parasitize the community like their comrades do | Sep 21 01:14 |
| schestowitz | I think we're one of the very few sites that speak about it and try to do something about it | Sep 21 01:14 |
| MinceR | and they were the other ones beside canonical who paid microshit for the uefi racket | Sep 21 01:14 |
| schestowitz | there are few other such sites | Sep 21 01:14 |
| schestowitz | but they're less active | Sep 21 01:14 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat is also in bed with Microsoft | Sep 21 01:15 |
| schestowitz | almost as much as Canonical... almost | Sep 21 01:15 |
| schestowitz | they shill WSL a lot less | Sep 21 01:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I use 2FA and randomly generated strong passwords. I had a couple of account takeovers (nothing important) that got my attention. | Sep 21 01:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Since I started doing this on everything, it hasn't happened again. | Sep 21 01:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Someone took over a Disney account I used to use for Disney Movie Rewards codes. Most used blu rays on ebay, the codes still worked because nobody ever used them. | Sep 21 01:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A spotify (free) account. | Sep 21 01:20 |
| schestowitz | 'free' | Sep 21 01:29 |
| XRevan86 | т.е. даром | Sep 21 01:31 |
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| schestowitz | Technical Evangelist Pam Edstromm? | Sep 21 01:55 |
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| XRevan86 | "i.e. gratis", it's an old reference from the Winnie the Pooh cartoon. | Sep 21 02:05 |
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| schestowitz | https://xkcd.com/1431/ | Sep 21 02:18 |
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| MinceR | Error 503 certificate has expired | Sep 21 02:25 |
| MinceR | xkcd blows it again | Sep 21 02:25 |
| MinceR | at least i can view it at explainxkcd.com | Sep 21 02:26 |
| schestowitz | nmon is really awesome | Sep 21 02:27 |
| schestowitz | http://nmon.sourceforge.net/pmwiki.php | Sep 21 02:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nmon.sourceforge.net | nmon for Linux | Main / HomePage | Sep 21 02:27 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, I noticed | Sep 21 02:27 |
| schestowitz | I use nmon a lot today | Sep 21 02:27 |
| schestowitz | it has several good mods | Sep 21 02:27 |
| schestowitz | like historical charting of cpu usage in the clu | Sep 21 02:27 |
| schestowitz | cli | Sep 21 02:27 |
| schestowitz | with colours | Sep 21 02:27 |
| schestowitz | so it gets your attention when it needs to | Sep 21 02:27 |
| schestowitz | too bad older centos don't have it in tum repos | Sep 21 02:27 |
| schestowitz | yum | Sep 21 02:27 |
| MinceR | interesting | Sep 21 02:28 |
| schestowitz | same for htop for that matter | Sep 21 02:28 |
| schestowitz | maybe epel has something | Sep 21 02:28 |
| schestowitz | anyway, red hat sucks | Sep 21 02:28 |
| schestowitz | debian has far more extensive repos | Sep 21 02:28 |
| schestowitz | not sure about alpine, did not check much | Sep 21 02:28 |
| MinceR | voidlinux does have nmon | Sep 21 02:29 |
| schestowitz | did you try it? | Sep 21 02:31 |
| schestowitz | I recently checked LOOOOADS of these tools | Sep 21 02:31 |
| schestowitz | monitoring our servers | Sep 21 02:31 |
| schestowitz | for quicker response to incidents, mostly ddos | Sep 21 02:31 |
| schestowitz | tmux still confuses me | Sep 21 02:32 |
| schestowitz | the keyboard shortcuts there are awful | Sep 21 02:32 |
| MinceR | yes | Sep 21 02:32 |
| schestowitz | like shortcuts that need 4 fingers | Sep 21 02:32 |
| MinceR | nmon seems to take a bit more learning than htop :> | Sep 21 02:32 |
| schestowitz | ctrl+b+shift+% | Sep 21 02:32 |
| schestowitz | can't imagine it's good for people with disabilities | Sep 21 02:32 |
| MinceR | you can just press ctrl+b and then shift+5 | Sep 21 02:34 |
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| schestowitz | just taught myself some htop tricks | Sep 21 02:59 |
| schestowitz | the menu there (f2) has so many options | Sep 21 02:59 |
| schestowitz | tmux has problematic as the cheat sheets are all 'wrong' | Sep 21 02:59 |
| schestowitz | different platforms, different shortcuts, or maybe different versions | Sep 21 02:59 |
| schestowitz | so the documentation is all messed up | Sep 21 02:59 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/NorthernGather2/status/1307648342143520768 | Sep 21 03:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NorthernGather2: @Danny_boyo7 @danjk78 @BylineTV Oh right! Thanks for that info. I'm always suspicious of those who throw money arou… https://t.co/797NFJ0GdP | Sep 21 03:39 | |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 21 03:39 |
| schestowitz | Oh right! Thanks for that info. I'm always suspicious of those who throw money around and are found to be liars... | Sep 21 03:39 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/08/15/phi | Sep 21 03:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 21 03:39 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: It doesn't look like there's any crap and Burn Loot Murder spam in the ESR version of Firefox. | Sep 21 05:04 |
| schestowitz | why use that term? | Sep 21 05:28 |
| schestowitz | are you an anti-black activist now? | Sep 21 05:28 |
| schestowitz | demonising millions of people? | Sep 21 05:29 |
| schestowitz | stigmatising them as criminals? | Sep 21 05:29 |
| schestowitz | Or are you doing Fox News part-timing? | Sep 21 05:29 |
| schestowitz | To help a racist Trump campaign? | Sep 21 05:29 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: want to read an article about CoC? | Sep 21 05:35 |
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| schestowitz | It's almost done, I think it's good | Sep 21 05:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm not a Trump voter. | Sep 21 05:36 |
| schestowitz | I know | Sep 21 05:36 |
| schestowitz | but when you call BLM that... you help him win | Sep 21 05:36 |
| schestowitz | he's using the conspiracy card | Sep 21 05:36 |
| schestowitz | calling BLM communist plot and stuff... | Sep 21 05:36 |
| schestowitz | "antifa" | Sep 21 05:36 |
| schestowitz | "unpatriotic" | Sep 21 05:36 |
| schestowitz | "ungrateful" | Sep 21 05:37 |
| schestowitz | "criminal" | Sep 21 05:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're not Communists. I doubt they're smart enough to even be political. | Sep 21 05:37 |
| schestowitz | to distract from his own crimes | Sep 21 05:37 |
| schestowitz | and his associates' | Sep 21 05:37 |
| schestowitz | that's his strategy | Sep 21 05:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If they wanted to change the system, they'd vote instead of racking up felonies. | Sep 21 05:37 |
| schestowitz | calling a criminal "law and order" candidate | Sep 21 05:37 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: take a quick look: http://techrights.org/2020/09/20/pocock-on-coc/ | Sep 21 05:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Daniel Pocock on Codes of Conduct and Their Potential Dangers in Practice | Techrights | Sep 21 05:38 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | The problem is that low IQ white people are smart enough to know they can terrorize the other side if they vote, so they cause all kinds of problems. | Sep 21 05:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most white crime that goes on is stuff like drugs and shit. You don't bother them, they don't bother you. | Sep 21 05:38 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | The reason why everyone is afraid of black people is that so much of it spills over into people who weren't even involved. | Sep 21 05:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They just open fire on each other at a McDonalds or something and if you're there, you're just screwed. | Sep 21 05:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes, there's a lot of white drug crime, but they're smart enough to not bring the cops down on them by killing bystanders. | Sep 21 05:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | For the most part. | Sep 21 05:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You get pinched by drawing attention and committing major felonies and minor misdemeanors pointlessly and not covering it up very well. | Sep 21 05:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Hmm, I needed to turn off EASE for Techrights again. | Sep 21 05:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not surprising. New Firefox (ESR) profile. | Sep 21 05:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | double-standards | Sep 21 05:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Does that need a hyphen? | Sep 21 05:43 |
| schestowitz | maybe not | Sep 21 05:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "If his speech if suppressed" | Sep 21 05:45 |
| schestowitz | let me correct that | Sep 21 05:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | is | Sep 21 05:45 |
| schestowitz | yes, I saw and fixed this | Sep 21 05:45 |
| schestowitz | amended | Sep 21 05:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | injustice be see | Sep 21 05:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | seen | Sep 21 05:47 |
| schestowitz | yes, I corrected this earlier | Sep 21 05:48 |
| schestowitz | we both saw the same two typos | Sep 21 05:48 |
| schestowitz | I changed double standard also | Sep 21 05:49 |
| schestowitz | I thought there was a hyphen | Sep 21 05:49 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/process/code-of-conduct-interpretation.html on code of conduct I would not mix Linux foundation run code of conduct with the debian run one. | Sep 21 06:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.kernel.org | Linux Kernel Contributor Covenant Code of Conduct Interpretation — The Linux Kernel documentation | Sep 21 06:46 | |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: "In the end, “be kind to each other” is really what the end goal is for everybody. We know everyone is human and we all fail at times, but the primary goal for all of us should be to work toward amicable resolutions of problems. Enforcement of the code of conduct will only be a last resort option." | Sep 21 06:46 |
| oiaohm | Linux kernel rules of "code of conduct" usage are clear that what happened with debian code of conduct is not acceptable. | Sep 21 06:47 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: "Maintainers are responsible for clarifying the standards of acceptable behavior and are expected to take appropriate and fair corrective action in response to any instances of unacceptable behavior." << This is also in the Linux kernel code of conduct. | Sep 21 06:52 |
| oiaohm | Notice the requirement for fair corrective action. | Sep 21 06:52 |
| oiaohm | https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct Read over the debian code of conduct. Darn there ids no requirement for corrective action to be fair | Sep 21 06:53 |
| schestowitz | I see | Sep 21 06:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.debian.org | Debian Code of Conduct | Sep 21 06:53 | |
| oiaohm | So booting someone out with out a fair hearing by someone is totally acceptable by debian code of conduct and totally not acceptable by Linux kernel code of conduct or Linux foundation code of conducts. | Sep 21 06:54 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: the Linux kernel code of conduct you have some rights. Debian code of conduct you don't have rights. | Sep 21 06:55 |
| oiaohm | Please note Linux kernel current code of conduct is a improvement over the old "code of conflict" because the old "code of conflict" you had no right to a fair process either. | Sep 21 06:56 |
| DarwinElf | w/Linux code of conduct (CoC) you have varying rights... | Sep 21 06:56 |
| DarwinElf | not really... | Sep 21 06:57 |
| oiaohm | DarwinElf: the way its written you do have some with the Linux CoC compared to the Debian one where you in the document have none. | Sep 21 06:57 |
| oiaohm | Linux kernel one could still improve with more written in rights. | Sep 21 06:58 |
| DarwinElf | not really. They need to remove it and return to meritocracy (or Platonic republic) | Sep 21 06:59 |
| DarwinElf | it's unsurprising; Socrates & Plato explained in detail why democracy fails... even when I first heard of GNU/Linux in 1997, I expected that to happen to Debian... surprised it didn't happen much sooner. Of course, it doesn't happen in case of benevolent dictator for life (BDFL, philosopher-king) like Slackware (the only problem is who is a successor of a great leader) | Sep 21 06:59 |
| DarwinElf | Linus should take his rightful place back as philosopher-king of Linux Foundation (LF) and all his software projects (Linux kernel, git, a text editor, whatever else) | Sep 21 07:01 |
| DarwinElf | he learned it's better to avoid or tone down conflict. That's all that was necessary. Good code is good code; average code is average code; bad code is bad code. There should be no special privilege for lower-quality code | Sep 21 07:01 |
| oiaohm | DarwinElf: god no not a "Platonic republic" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_(Plato) we are talking 10 huge books of rulings. | Sep 21 07:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Republic (Plato) - Wikipedia | Sep 21 07:01 | |
| DarwinElf | of course, there are modern updates to the theory, as intellectuals tend to not believe in Greek gods... this is obvious if one had studied it | Sep 21 07:02 |
| oiaohm | Platonic republic makes the code of conduct look like a minor problem. | Sep 21 07:02 |
| DarwinElf | it's what meritocracy is. Programmer/hacker culture is an informal Platonic republic | Sep 21 07:03 |
| DarwinElf | he called it aristocracy ('rule by the best,' synonym of 'rule by the meritorious') then nobles claimed they were the best. | Sep 21 07:03 |
| oiaohm | You don't ever want a formal Platonic republic | Sep 21 07:03 |
| DarwinElf | it's the only thing that could save this world | Sep 21 07:03 |
| DarwinElf | it should be worldwide | Sep 21 07:03 |
| DarwinElf | with modern updates as in the specific modern huge school of philosophy that continued Classical Greek ideas | Sep 21 07:04 |
| oiaohm | I had to do a debate once against Platonic republic I have been though all 10 books of a formal platonic republic | Sep 21 07:04 |
| DarwinElf | that is, German Idealism, in this case | Sep 21 07:04 |
| oiaohm | DarwinElf: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meritocracy is not in fact a form of a Platonic republic and does not come from Plato | Sep 21 07:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Meritocracy - Wikipedia | Sep 21 07:05 | |
| DarwinElf | every other system has been a failure. It's a synonym. Of course, others had their own versions since ancient times, like Aristotle's republic | Sep 21 07:06 |
| DarwinElf | obscure German Idealists arguing for it do use it as a synonym, as anyone can see from the etymology (aristocracy, meritocracy) | Sep 21 07:06 |
| oiaohm | Meritocracy history is not greek if you go far enough back it China. | Sep 21 07:07 |
| DarwinElf | earlier 1900s claiming wealth is merit and they should use that for other merit, or that that caused meritocracy to fail (merit isn't wealth though) don't have a clue what they're talking about | Sep 21 07:07 |
| DarwinElf | yes. It's both | Sep 21 07:07 |
| DarwinElf | 'earlier 1900s "writers"' | Sep 21 07:07 |
| DarwinElf | those 1900s writers didn't research the term like the German Idealists did... | Sep 21 07:08 |
| DarwinElf | which started with Descartes, his country being partly Germanic. It's still going on with much more activity than people realize, because most people aren't anything close to rationalist idealist (like Platonist but also Leibnizian) | Sep 21 07:08 |
| oiaohm | Meritocracy goes back to Chinese philosopher Confucius. Of course the greeks did study lots of documents from other countries. | Sep 21 07:08 |
| DarwinElf | and Chinese philosopher Mo-tzu. Greeks contacted India but unsure they read anything from China. Doesn't matter though. Independent cultures made same ideas/discoveries | Sep 21 07:09 |
| DarwinElf | Confucian & Mohist ideas should be taken into account: as I said, modern updates, but also with international thought | Sep 21 07:09 |
| oiaohm | To be correct the greeks did not update the meaning of Meritocracy | Sep 21 07:10 |
| oiaohm | They changed the name of it. | Sep 21 07:10 |
| oiaohm | But meaning stayed the same. | Sep 21 07:10 |
| DarwinElf | i never said they did, but I never heard of them changing the name | Sep 21 07:10 |
| oiaohm | Meritocracy is a greek word | Sep 21 07:11 |
| DarwinElf | European nobles further North probably changed the meaning with a false claim "I'm the best" | Sep 21 07:11 |
| DarwinElf | it has a Greek suffix, but not sure about prefix, because they already had 'aristocracy' | Sep 21 07:11 |
| oiaohm | Latin and Greek | Sep 21 07:12 |
| oiaohm | Start of it is latin end is greek | Sep 21 07:12 |
| DarwinElf | when you read Plato's Republic or Aristotle's Republic, the translation is from 'aristocracy' (their title) to 'republic' (English title) | Sep 21 07:12 |
| oiaohm | merit, from Latin mereō, is the first part. | Sep 21 07:13 |
| DarwinElf | 1790s France was a branch of the same ideas, which came up with some modern improvements (Rousseau's 'Social Contract') but were forced into taking things too far, which led to a collapse (but then French partly-success under Napoleonic empire) | Sep 21 07:13 |
| oiaohm | yes the china equal to Meritocary starts with the china word for merit. | Sep 21 07:13 |
| DarwinElf | yeah, so that may have been the Latin/Roman/Italian translation of the particular Plato & Aristotle books. Actually Aristotle's is usually translated as Politics, but from exact same word or concept | Sep 21 07:14 |
| schestowitz | does the origin of the word matter? | Sep 21 07:14 |
| oiaohm | cracy is κράτος kratos "strength, power" from greek. | Sep 21 07:14 |
| DarwinElf | no. What matters is when the rich (European kings, or 1900s capitalist intellectuals claiming 'wealth is merit') distort the terms, then people don't understand how great the systems really would be (with international combination and modern updates) | Sep 21 07:15 |
| DarwinElf | of course, because the Romans adopted Greek culture in almost every way, also some suffixes... | Sep 21 07:15 |
| DarwinElf | actually it seems 'merit' is from middle English (according to Wiktionary, which isn't always great, just large) | Sep 21 07:16 |
| oiaohm | aristocracy is pure greek. Greek ἀριστοκρατία aristokratía, from ἄριστος aristos 'excellent' Yes aristocracy straight word translation is Excellent Power | Sep 21 07:17 |
| DarwinElf | translation of the prefix & suffix separately, but not so much their combination into a new word | Sep 21 07:17 |
| DarwinElf | with even prefix & suffix having multiple meanings, at least when combined in new words. Just word-to-word separately doesn't really make it clear for most people | Sep 21 07:18 |
| oiaohm | In case of Meritocracy the words that make it up are design to have meaning. Merit based Power is that the china word it comes from means. | Sep 21 07:19 |
| DarwinElf | it comes from all such ancient systems | Sep 21 07:19 |
| DarwinElf | if you tried to 'translate' 'democracy' with as a simplistic method (good start, but needs more) it's even more confusing: could sound like power of a town (not necessarily people, or popular masses) | Sep 21 07:21 |
| DarwinElf | with even in ancient times, usually not just talking about power but an implementation of government (other than perhaps, power of an autocrat/tyrant, but normally has enforcers doing his bidding) | Sep 21 07:21 |
| oiaohm | Meritocracy word comes from Chinese sentence basically stating its meaning. | Sep 21 07:22 |
| oiaohm | This with words does not happen that often | Sep 21 07:22 |
| DarwinElf | it translates to that but doesn't come from that, rather than normal modern English using middle English & ancient Greek prefix & suffix | Sep 21 07:22 |
| oiaohm | Progressive translation loss. | Sep 21 07:23 |
| DarwinElf | and as such, you have to look back to ancient Greek in addition (Plato, Aristotle, and modern philosophy that saw the synonym) | Sep 21 07:23 |
| DarwinElf | translationg just to an ancient equivalent, either way, both languages normally have multiple other meanings, and multiple other connotations | Sep 21 07:23 |
| oiaohm | That is fun that ancient Greek you see latin start and ancient greek end with the word Meritocary its a imported idea. | Sep 21 07:24 |
| DarwinElf | i don't consider it one (in context of earlier interconnected Western culture) but almost everything is imported everywhere these days. Doesn't matter | Sep 21 07:25 |
| DarwinElf | Michael Faust and (current-day) Adam Weishaupt, and perhaps people who wrote on social capitalism & market socialism sometimes wrote more on the synonyms (Platonic and Aristotelean republics/aristocracy, meritocracy) in both Greek, Chinese, and modern philosophical senses (but rejecting 'wealth is excellence/merit') | Sep 21 07:26 |
| DarwinElf | ever since the Roman republic, people tried to implement such ideas. Actually their republic came to take on a new meaning (separation of powers,) nevertheless, was inspired. When I say 'republic' I mean in both ancient senses (and taking relevant similar ideas from everywhere, like Confucians, Mohists, 1790s France, whatever) | Sep 21 07:29 |
| DarwinElf | and programmer/hacker culture | Sep 21 07:29 |
| oiaohm | Confusiams is where the meaning of Meritocary comes from. | Sep 21 07:30 |
| DarwinElf | in China, yes, but not elsewhere | Sep 21 07:30 |
| DarwinElf | except partially | Sep 21 07:30 |
| oiaohm | Elsewhere as well. | Sep 21 07:30 |
| DarwinElf | partially | Sep 21 07:30 |
| oiaohm | How it got to greek was due to power change in China so lot of Confusism people left china. | Sep 21 07:31 |
| oiaohm | So not partialy. | Sep 21 07:31 |
| DarwinElf | i don't believe it got to Greece from China. Maybe it did... | Sep 21 07:31 |
| DarwinElf | does it make sense why 'merit' is like a clearer definition of 'excellent?' To anyone up-to-date on German Idealism (largely rationalist) in context of continuing Classical Greek ((neo)pythagorean-(neo)platonic, etc.) rationalist idealism, it does | Sep 21 07:32 |
| oiaohm | Remember the greek and china are part of the old 207 BCE | Sep 21 07:33 |
| DarwinElf | i don't know what that means | Sep 21 07:33 |
| oiaohm | silk road | Sep 21 07:33 |
| oiaohm | So knowledge moved along that. | Sep 21 07:33 |
| oiaohm | Not just goods | Sep 21 07:33 |
| DarwinElf | Plato explained why desire, opinion, wealth, strength, aren't merit, but knowledge, expertise/talent, effort/work, etc. are | Sep 21 07:34 |
| DarwinElf | strength might partly be merit, that's why he liked Sparta & Crete, but without knowledge & intelligence or usage with expertise, effort, strength isn't complete merit | Sep 21 07:35 |
| DarwinElf | that's why those German Idealists (some claiming to be continuing Pythagoreanism, and saying Plato did) recognized that | Sep 21 07:36 |
| oiaohm | That was redoing what was already in Confusiams 600 BCE | Sep 21 07:36 |
| DarwinElf | maybe... and then I'm correct on the synonyms: they'd have translated Confucian & Mohist 'meritocracy' into Plato & Aristotle's ideas | Sep 21 07:37 |
| oiaohm | Meritocracy appears in some of Plato writings as a reference. | Sep 21 07:37 |
| oiaohm | So its a really old thing. | Sep 21 07:38 |
| oiaohm | Plato and Aristotle attempt to expand the idea from Confucians and screw particular things up. | Sep 21 07:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19635509 | Sep 21 07:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.ycombinator.com | Firefox bans free speech commenting plugin Dissenter from its extensions gallery | Hacker News | Sep 21 07:40 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: What's your take on this? | Sep 21 07:40 |
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| oiaohm | DarwinElf: http://ancientciivilizationsvc9.blogspot.com/2009/11/merit-system.html the orginal Confusian define of Merit is a lot simpler. | Sep 21 07:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ancientciivilizationsvc9.blogspot.com | Confucianism: Merit System | Sep 21 07:41 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Firefox took this down last year. It creates a comments section on every web page where people can say whatever they want and it isn't moderated. | Sep 21 07:41 |
| oiaohm | DarwinElf: Plato goes and gets lost trying to define it. | Sep 21 07:42 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: gab is a tricky one | Sep 21 07:43 |
| schestowitz | to understand why you need to see gab from the inside | Sep 21 07:43 |
| schestowitz | (I did) | Sep 21 07:43 |
| oiaohm | meritocracy comes the base to all our education system exams. | Sep 21 07:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What is Gab? | Sep 21 07:44 |
| schestowitz | started as pro-trump | Sep 21 07:44 |
| schestowitz | or bucket of deplorable | Sep 21 07:44 |
| schestowitz | over time it became more like daily stormer, loads of neonazis there | Sep 21 07:44 |
| schestowitz | and people who favour ethnic cleansing | Sep 21 07:44 |
| schestowitz | (not all, but more over time) | Sep 21 07:44 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne can tell you more | Sep 21 07:45 |
| schestowitz | she favoured banning the whole thing from fediverse | Sep 21 07:45 |
| schestowitz | too much lethal toxicity | Sep 21 07:45 |
| schestowitz | I got many death threats from there | Sep 21 07:46 |
| DarwinElf | theory of Plato's Republic isn't just the Republic book's 10 chapters, but that's the theory, then they get more specific in a second book, Plato's Laws. Every other of the dozens of Platonic dialogues either build up to Republic (mostly) or Laws (and maybe any other later ones) then detail more. So if you've read only Republic, you really don't have anything but a most basic, partial overview... | Sep 21 07:46 |
| schestowitz | the site's 'chiefs' (racist kids who never grew up) didn't take the threat seriously until it was too late | Sep 21 07:46 |
| schestowitz | and by that point, nobody of any value was still participating in gab, it became an underground echo chamber of derelicts whom you'd report to the FBI any day or hour | Sep 21 07:47 |
| DarwinElf | more formally it's Republic & Laws, but you need to be familiar with ideas in all his earlier dialogues (or other commentary) | Sep 21 07:47 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2018/11/06/gab-is-pro-nazis/ | Sep 21 07:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Gab is Not a Site That Tolerates Nazis. It is a Nazi Site That Bans People Who Object to Nazism. It’s a Censorship Site With a Dangerous Agenda. | Sep 21 07:48 | |
| schestowitz | Think antifa banning | Sep 21 07:48 |
| schestowitz | and support for fasicts ansd militias | Sep 21 07:48 |
| schestowitz | you have a WHITE house like this now | Sep 21 07:48 |
| schestowitz | apropos: last night... https://truthout.org/articles/as-anti-fascist-t-shirts-are-removed-far-right-apparel-remains-on-retailer-site/ | Sep 21 07:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | As Anti-Fascist T-Shirts Are Removed, Far Right Apparel Remains on Retailer Site | Sep 21 07:48 | |
| schestowitz | says it all really... | Sep 21 07:49 |
| schestowitz | fascism is becoming the norm | Sep 21 07:49 |
| schestowitz | hate is OK | Sep 21 07:49 |
| DarwinElf | i've seen a 'fediverse' appear & disappear & reappear at least one or two times... don't know what it is anymore. It maybe appeared on Identi.ca/Pump.IO then was replaced with GNU Social, then Mastodon was added on and separated out... before that, maybe separate software Diaspora mentioned a Fediverse. I don't know what it is. All I saw is it appearing then getting replaced with new software and also splitting apart... | Sep 21 07:49 |
| schestowitz | opposing hate is what you call "Burn Loot Murder"... the "useful idiot" you unwittingly became for these fascists | Sep 21 07:49 |
| schestowitz | who doctor photos to make it seem like antifa supports crime | Sep 21 07:49 |
| schestowitz | and create fake accoutns in Twitter and FB | Sep 21 07:50 |
| schestowitz | with the name "antifa" and stuff | Sep 21 07:50 |
| schestowitz | Twitter and FB belatedly deleted these | Sep 21 07:50 |
| schestowitz | realising these were right-wing fakes | Sep 21 07:50 |
| oiaohm | DarwinElf: there are corrections to the second book in the latter books. | Sep 21 07:50 |
| schestowitz | designed to frame opposition to ethnostate fascists | Sep 21 07:50 |
| oiaohm | DarwinElf: so yes it turns horrible as a debate topic. | Sep 21 07:50 |
| schestowitz | DarwinElf: ask XRevan86 | Sep 21 07:51 |
| schestowitz | he knows better than me the compatibility history | Sep 21 07:51 |
| schestowitz | as he still uses statusnet iirc | Sep 21 07:51 |
| schestowitz | or gnu sociakl | Sep 21 07:51 |
| schestowitz | which afaik is a direct successor of it | Sep 21 07:52 |
| schestowitz | pleroma is related in some sense as well | Sep 21 07:52 |
| schestowitz | mastodon is built from scratch | Sep 21 07:52 |
| schestowitz | it apparently lost compatibility with statusnet/gnu social and never quite fulfilled the goal of unifying with diaspora which is a shame as platform gain value quadradically if # of active users grows linearly | Sep 21 07:53 |
| DarwinElf | yeah, I meant StatusNet... I was on that... | Sep 21 07:53 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadratic_reciprocity | Sep 21 07:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Quadratic reciprocity - Wikipedia | Sep 21 07:53 | |
| schestowitz | I am still on that | Sep 21 07:54 |
| schestowitz | But no longer posting to identi.ca because it's a dead zone | Sep 21 07:54 |
| schestowitz | only zombies still post to it, I think | Sep 21 07:54 |
| schestowitz | zero interactions | Sep 21 07:54 |
| schestowitz | and they removed all the past data | Sep 21 07:54 |
| schestowitz | Evan canned everything nearly a decade back, maybe 8 years | Sep 21 07:54 |
| schestowitz | and it killed the momentum of it | Sep 21 07:54 |
| DarwinElf | if you say they somehow knew of Conficious (not sure about Mo-tzu) then misinterpreted, then I can see why... however, anyone really into that stuff (as tend to be subjects of positive freedom/liberty (freedom for, good of all) not negative liberty (freedom from, rugged individualism)) would tend to say there should be modern updates (even rare right-wingers who misinterpreted/admired Plato, whom really fits more under farthest-left-wing, or at | Sep 21 07:55 |
| DarwinElf | least similar progressive medium-left) | Sep 21 07:55 |
| DarwinElf | so when I say 'Platonic republic,' that doesn't mean adhering literally to 2300-year-old books rather than using their principle of continual dialectical search for more truth (with corrections what they may have thought before) | Sep 21 07:57 |
| DarwinElf | i didn't say "Plato's Republic" (taking it literally) but 'Platonic' (continued dialectic) in the first place... | Sep 21 07:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I know what I saw with the looting in Waukegan. | Sep 21 07:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're "derelicts" and bums who haven't _ever_ worked a day in their life decades before anyone ever heard of COVID-19. | Sep 21 08:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They have excuses for everything their sorry asses manage to do. | Sep 21 08:00 |
| DarwinElf | some parts would lose in almost any modern debate... that's the point of dialectic: replace outdated ideas. They're overall right 2300 years later (in principle of who should govern, but not some specific laws or a few disproven principles.) | Sep 21 08:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | George Floyd died so we have to destroy stores and steal everything down to the car batteries! | Sep 21 08:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It has nothing to do with Floyd at some point and it's just a bunch of bums and losers who don't want to make an honest dollar. | Sep 21 08:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Chicago area entertained the idea of giving out free shit for so long that hundreds of thousands of them settled in the area, and for a long time it was mostly in one building because it was a skyscraper full of income based housing. | Sep 21 08:02 |
| DarwinElf | well, quite a few African-Americans especially since 2016, but it's not a reason to do those things. There's an original, nonviolent Black Lives Matter (BLM) informal group (whom just wants justice) and a separate formally-led group (whom just wants to replace current society, formally-run by people using historical theory linked to violence) | Sep 21 08:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The woman would get in and fill out the papers going "I'm a single mom and nobody knows where the father is." and then they'd move in the father off the lease after lying about everything to get cheap rent. | Sep 21 08:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The father would sling drugs. | Sep 21 08:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There were rapes in the elevators and bullets flying through the walls. | Sep 21 08:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Almost everyone who was there describes it as worse than Hell. | Sep 21 08:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Mayor of Chicago moved in for a while in like 1992 and even with an emergency escape door they installed for her and round the clock Chicago Police, she was chased out of there by the scum in 2 weeks. | Sep 21 08:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Turned into a major PR disaster, so they took a wrecking ball to it, but the criminals and welfare queens just spread out all over the city, and that's why things are still so fucked up there. | Sep 21 08:05 |
| DarwinElf | i understand why they'd want to ban extremists from Fediverse (whatever it is now) but it's not something anyone truly upholding USA Constitution First Amendment could support (but Constitutions in the rest of the 'Western' world support.) Part of the whole reason is to get bad speech out there and argue against (maybe even reform some) extremists rather than driving them to be underground militant groups... | Sep 21 08:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm not a fan of having that going on, but the Republicans are bringing on the hardest times we've seen in many generations and it's just, you know, it's pouring gasoline on the fire. | Sep 21 08:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because you have the shitheads who would be shitheads no matter how many jobs and stuff there are, PLUS there's millions more people who become poor and turn to crime who never would have if the economy was okay. | Sep 21 08:06 |
| DarwinElf | i'm not saying that's the best method (USA First Amendment) but *is* the method (from RMS) that led to Free/Libre Software (FLS) | Sep 21 08:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wouldn't say I'm an extremist. I'm just saying the truth. | Sep 21 08:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A lot of these people are bums and if there were 1 million new job openings in Illinois tomorrow, they'd still be lowlifes and criminal scum who wouldn't even try to straighten out. | Sep 21 08:08 |
| DarwinElf | journallists/media in USA has been attacked by government, but the average US citizen on the street can make extreme criticism in audio/video/TV they can't anywhere else in the world (without fines/jail/prison) | Sep 21 08:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The "protesters" are always doing things to provoke the police and then when there's a crackdown, it's that part that gets reported and nothing else. | Sep 21 08:09 |
| DarwinElf | well, for extreme ideas/ideologies other than Communism, they can criticize the rest in China, because China never changed from marxist to the politically-correct branch of liberalism/neomarxism | Sep 21 08:09 |
| DarwinElf | 'Marxist' (should've capitalized) | Sep 21 08:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's a psyop to make it look like the cops are just out there shooting rubber bullets and teargas at people for standing on a sidewalk holding a sign. | Sep 21 08:09 |
| DarwinElf | both sides involve psyops... | Sep 21 08:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The reason the police don't "attack" gun rights protests and stuff is because they stand there holding signs and not a hell of a lot else. | Sep 21 08:11 |
| DarwinElf | yes. However, after republic/democracy breaks down it'll be psyops about which extremists can convince the masses they're right... | Sep 21 08:11 |
| DarwinElf | is that the case for African-American gun rights' activists though? | Sep 21 08:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In Michigan there were black gun rights activists that had a protest and nobody did shit to them. | Sep 21 08:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you're not burning things and looting and shooting at the cops it's amazing how you don't get "attacked" innit? | Sep 21 08:12 |
| DarwinElf | i'm surprised, or that at least various sides weren't out to ruin it for their own ends... | Sep 21 08:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't care enough to protest, because I know that's where it could go. | Sep 21 08:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No matter what it is, people on the other side could show up and be more insane and people get killed. | Sep 21 08:14 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/09/20/pocock-on-coc/ | Sep 21 08:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Daniel Pocock on Codes of Conduct and Their Potential Dangers in Practice | Techrights | Sep 21 08:14 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | They had anti-abortion protests outside planned parenthood in waukegan. | Sep 21 08:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fuck if I care. It got built. It's not going anywhere. | Sep 21 08:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I hope they abort a lot of potential criminals and I can live in like 5% less fear of being mugged in 12-15 years. | Sep 21 08:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: https://freakonomics.com/podcast/abortion/ | Sep 21 08:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Abortion and Crime, Revisited (Ep. 384) - Freakonomics Freakonomics | Sep 21 08:16 | |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: what's the summary? | Sep 21 08:26 |
| schestowitz | audio takes long to digest/ingest :0) | Sep 21 08:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It has full transcript. | Sep 21 08:27 |
| schestowitz | sounds like eugenics | Sep 21 08:27 |
| schestowitz | it was sold like this in the US pre-ww2 | Sep 21 08:27 |
| schestowitz | dim-witted too | Sep 21 08:27 |
| schestowitz | presumed to be leaning towards petty crimes | Sep 21 08:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But basically legalized abortion was responsible for about half the decrease in violent crime that took place between 1990 and 2000. | Sep 21 08:28 |
| schestowitz | unlike oligarchs | Sep 21 08:28 |
| schestowitz | so they sought to sterilise these people | Sep 21 08:28 |
| schestowitz | now they target class and race | Sep 21 08:28 |
| schestowitz | "The controversial theory linking Roe v. Wade to a massive crime drop is back in the spotlight as several states introduce abortion restrictions. Steve Levitt and John Donohue discuss their original research, the challenges to its legitimacy, and their updated analysis. Also: what this means for abortion policy, crime policy, and having intelligent conversations about contentious topics." | Sep 21 08:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The people who would be committing the crimes weren't reaching their prime crime age. | Sep 21 08:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So crime fell 30%. | Sep 21 08:28 |
| schestowitz | stupid, dumb, bigoted people dislike this agenda | Sep 21 08:28 |
| schestowitz | because it targets whites too | Sep 21 08:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It continued falling well after 2000. | Sep 21 08:28 |
| schestowitz | like Irish families with many kids | Sep 21 08:28 |
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| schestowitz | there's actually this assumption that parents who have kids against their will won't raise them well | Sep 21 08:29 |
| schestowitz | so they might end up drug addicts, joining gangs to make up etc. | Sep 21 08:29 |
| schestowitz | better to let parents have the change to have a "planned" parenthood | Sep 21 08:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: After Illinois expanded abortion to Medicaid, about 4,000 more women had one in the first year of the new law. | Sep 21 08:30 |
| schestowitz | or else have unruly kids | Sep 21 08:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Almost all of them poor, black, and in Chicago. | Sep 21 08:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I told John in 15 years the crime would probably start falling from that. | Sep 21 08:30 |
| schestowitz | forcing people to let a tiny, weeks-old embryo develop into a kid (baby) overlooks the fact they're uusally very young and have many more opportunities to conceive | Sep 21 08:31 |
| schestowitz | those "pro-life" (and pro-COVID) COVIDiots might want to go futher and restrict masturbation because it "spills seeds" | Sep 21 08:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes, but that would make sense. | Sep 21 08:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Do it later if you can afford it. | Sep 21 08:31 |
| schestowitz | baby killers... those "wankers" | Sep 21 08:31 |
| schestowitz | also ban periods | Sep 21 08:32 |
| schestowitz | dead eggs | Sep 21 08:32 |
| schestowitz | with blood and everything | Sep 21 08:32 |
| schestowitz | ban that too | Sep 21 08:32 |
| schestowitz | pro-life | Sep 21 08:32 |
| schestowitz | also ban sperm that touched the eggs but did not mature | Sep 21 08:33 |
| schestowitz | same for cows | Sep 21 08:33 |
| schestowitz | they're also life, right? | Sep 21 08:33 |
| schestowitz | Oh, wait, maybe not | Sep 21 08:33 |
| schestowitz | they're animals, we're "hooooomen" | Sep 21 08:33 |
| schestowitz | MinceR loves hoooomen | Sep 21 08:33 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Well, if the trend holds, in 10 years the Illinois Medicaid abortion law will mean 40,000 less births. | Sep 21 08:38 |
| schestowitz | it doesn't work like that | Sep 21 08:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Almost all of them "misguided youths" as you put it, who get a little older and are still panhandling, shooting up on the L, and starting fires. | Sep 21 08:38 |
| schestowitz | oversimplistic logic | Sep 21 08:38 |
| schestowitz | some people use abortion to delay the date of wanted births | Sep 21 08:38 |
| schestowitz | so it's more about controlled the when, not the overall number | Sep 21 08:39 |
| schestowitz | like a student not wanting to bear a kid until finishing college | Sep 21 08:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People who get on Medicaid don't tend to do better later. | Sep 21 08:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But okay, please continue your theory on how a McDonalds worker who will never go to college is just waiting for better days. | Sep 21 08:40 |
| schestowitz | younger people, I think, also get impregnated more easily | Sep 21 08:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They do. | Sep 21 08:40 |
| schestowitz | fertility rates, lack of experience etc. | Sep 21 08:40 |
| schestowitz | for them, offering abortion as a choice makes more sense | Sep 21 08:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not knowing how to use a condom, not having any, not bothering to. | Sep 21 08:40 |
| schestowitz | not only condoms | Sep 21 08:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Cheapest and easiest to use option, although not bulletproof. | Sep 21 08:41 |
| schestowitz | but the point is, give them a change to adjust when they're ready to bear a child, don't force teens to go all the way to delivery when it's clear within 4 weeks they don't plan to raise a kid | Sep 21 08:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Some women keep Plan B on hand to use each time on top of that, and that's probably a fine strategy. | Sep 21 08:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What are the odds that BOTH fail? | Sep 21 08:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I probably wouldn't take a pill every day. | Sep 21 08:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Especially when you consider that the doctor appointments are $350 a pop now without insurance thanks to Obamacare. | Sep 21 08:43 |
| schestowitz | last I hear, a pill you took left you in ER | Sep 21 08:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They used to be like $30 or $40. | Sep 21 08:43 |
| schestowitz | with medical bills, not pills | Sep 21 08:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, they let my lithium levels build up and weren't monitoring them properly. | Sep 21 08:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Of course nobody took responsibility for anything. | Sep 21 08:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I should have sued someone. | Sep 21 08:43 |
| schestowitz | they'd win | Sep 21 08:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most likely. | Sep 21 08:44 |
| schestowitz | by virtue of you running of out of money and credit cards for appeal proceedings | Sep 21 08:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: People are fucking dumb though. | Sep 21 08:44 |
| schestowitz | that's how the US system works... and became notorious for | Sep 21 08:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like, women taking off brand Plan B pills on Amazon because they were $3 cheaper. | Sep 21 08:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now they're all pregnant. | Sep 21 08:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'd kind of want the name brand on that. | Sep 21 08:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The consequences are a little different than going for the Great Value mustard at the grocery aisle, you know? | Sep 21 08:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: But women use Plan B as frontline birth control because going to to the doctor for birth control pills is more than paying like twenty bucks each time they have sex. | Sep 21 08:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Hard to argue with that logic. | Sep 21 08:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Without insurance, it would be $700 a year to see the doctor for the pills and oh probably $1,000 total by the time you're done. | Sep 21 08:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | vs. Maybe you only take Plan B once or twice a month. | Sep 21 08:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most people's sex lives slow way down after they get married. | Sep 21 08:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I hear for straight people it takes a dip for decades after they start having kids and then doesn't recover until they're like 50. | Sep 21 08:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | :( | Sep 21 08:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Healthcare here is fucked up. | Sep 21 08:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm glad Obama pushed the FDA to make Plan B over the counter though. | Sep 21 08:50 |
| schestowitz | "Right-wingers who point at Sweden’s lack of lockdowns never seem to mention that Sweden also has universal healthcare, unemployment benefits, paid sick leave" https://twitter.com/ChrChristensen/status/1306740036914876427 | Sep 21 08:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ChrChristensen: Right-wingers who point at Sweden’s lack of lockdowns never seem to mention that Sweden also has universal healthca… https://t.co/lop9rRKIua | Sep 21 08:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ChrChristensen: Right-wingers who point at Sweden’s lack of lockdowns never seem to mention that Sweden also has universal healthca… https://t.co/lop9rRKIua | Sep 21 08:50 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | They probably didn't figure people would use it this way. | Sep 21 08:50 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: Sweden cultural differences as well that effect spread don't get mentioned either. USA and Australian before covid-19 had very much the same stupid crowd actions. | Sep 21 09:45 |
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| Ariadne | https://www.pcgamer.com/forget-about-usb-hubs-this-comet-lake-motherboard-has-20-usb-ports/ | Sep 21 14:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcgamer.com | Forget about USB hubs, this Comet Lake motherboard has 20 USB ports | PC Gamer | Sep 21 14:34 | |
| Ariadne | why. just why. | Sep 21 14:34 |
| oiaohm | Ariadne: https://portwell.com/products/detail.php?CUSTCHAR1=PEB-9783G2AR Its a wacky board like it has 4 old school serial ports as well. | Sep 21 14:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-portwell.com | PEB-9783G2AR, Intel® 10th Gen Xeon/Core™ Processors based FlexATX with DDR4 Long-DIMM up to 128 GB, DP/HDMI, Dual Gigabit Ethernet and 20 USB Ports | Sep 21 14:46 | |
| oiaohm | The combination looks like something for production line. | Sep 21 14:47 |
| MinceR | (cat) https://full.pr0gramm.com/2020/07/05/10a6be2ccc2c5f46.jpg | Sep 21 15:27 |
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| MinceR | https://dilbert.com/strip/2019-02-25 | Sep 21 16:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Never Give Reasons - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2019-02-25 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Sep 21 16:15 | |
| schestowitz | [14:34] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- www.pcgamer.com | Forget about USB hubs, this Comet Lake motherboard has 20 USB ports | PC Gamer | Sep 21 16:18 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: look ma, I got every generation of iPhone, even the "S" ones | Sep 21 16:19 |
| Ariadne | can modern itunes even talk to old iphones? | Sep 21 16:20 |
| schestowitz | is itunes still around? | Sep 21 16:21 |
| schestowitz | I thought they killed it or said they would | Sep 21 16:21 |
| schestowitz | https://www.wired.com/story/apple-kills-itunes/ no worries, someone will fork it. Oh, wait... | Sep 21 16:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple Kills iTunes. Let's Pay Our Respects | WIRED | Sep 21 16:22 | |
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| MinceR | https://dilbert.com/strip/2019-03-03 | Sep 21 16:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dilbert Comic Strip on 2019-03-03 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Sep 21 16:59 | |
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| schestowitz | [17:30] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): #linux gets #malware from #nsa -connected firm. They call it "telemetry" (of coruse they do... what next?) https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-PMT-Telemetry-Linux-5.10 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ec941767-b2fd-47fe-ab3f-9fb765d96c4e] | Sep 21 17:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Risc-V RV32E variant gets Segger’s floating-point library | Tux Machines | Sep 21 17:50 | |
| schestowitz | [17:32] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): #intel #malware for #linux possible to disable? "Probably not since "modern" platforms are full of unverifiable closed blobs and arcane features (Intel ME/AMT, AMD PSP, x86 SMM and so on)" https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-arti... [https://pleroma.site/objects/66381590-3fd3-4112-be9e-2c66562c0ff4] | Sep 21 17:50 |
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| schestowitz | [17:33] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): #linux modules that are #spyware ... "Does it only collect data on a monthly basis and get stroppy about it ?" https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1208351-intel-platform-monitoring-telemetry-appears-destined-for-linux-5-... [https://pleroma.site/objects/83c2f7b2-1747-4555-b9dc-ffa86b4ed9db] | Sep 21 17:50 |
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| schestowitz | is it as bad is as seems on the surface sans PR? | Sep 21 17:51 |
| schestowitz | Should be allergic to these newspeak words... "big data".. "telemetry"... "data science" | Sep 21 17:51 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I found some New York Strip steak on last day special at Walmart. | Sep 21 19:13 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | A 35% markdown is what it takes now to make it the price it was before. But inflation's only 1.2% you see? | Sep 21 19:14 |
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| XRevan86 | > start() { (setsid "$1" >/dev/null 2>&1 &); } | Sep 21 19:34 |
| XRevan86 | I wonder if something similiar is floating around the nets. Never saw anything like that, but the idea is fairly simple – a classic double-fork. | Sep 21 19:34 |
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| kingoffrance | yes 1.2% forever | Sep 21 19:37 |
| kingoffrance | aka 2000% + | Sep 21 19:37 |
| kingoffrance | but its only 1.2% | Sep 21 19:37 |
| schestowitz | [19:13] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz: I found some New York Strip steak on last day special at Walmart. | Sep 21 19:37 |
| schestowitz | cows are cute | Sep 21 19:37 |
| schestowitz | I got beef today quarter price | Sep 21 19:38 |
| schestowitz | the only price point I allow myself to but any, if it's available | Sep 21 19:38 |
| MinceR | no eigthth price? | Sep 21 19:38 |
| XRevan86 | * start() { (setsid "$@" >/dev/null 2>&1 &); } | Sep 21 19:38 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Mandy caught another shoplifter. | Sep 21 20:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Grqnd Theft paper plates this time. | Sep 21 20:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then after he caught her, she started pretending to scan stuff, then left with half a cart of stuff she didn't pay for and got stopped by the cop on the way out. | Sep 21 20:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That forum I totally may not read said that they lack the ability to plan past the crime. | Sep 21 20:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They can't plan for the crime itself even when they have the opportunity to pull out a five dollar bill and not go to jail when they already are caught. | Sep 21 20:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even the white nationalists seem to underestimate the level of stupid apparently. | Sep 21 20:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not even anything expensive usually. Sometimes it is. | Sep 21 20:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Walmart has been called racist for putting expensive stuff behind glass, but it only stops individuals. When they riot, they just smash the glass and grab all of the XBOX consoles too because George Floyd. | Sep 21 20:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People get called racist for saying don't loot. If you want something, go out, earn money, and save the money. And buy it. | Sep 21 20:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've caught people shoplifting in Indiana, but a lot of it was maybe chalked up to bad government. | Sep 21 21:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Kids stealong condoms and stuff because they're expensive and the government doesn't pass them out like it should. | Sep 21 21:00 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | > I got beef today quarter price | Sep 21 21:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wonder how. | Sep 21 21:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | How, now? Brown cow? | Sep 21 21:09 |
| MinceR | how now, ground cow? | Sep 21 21:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Lol | Sep 21 21:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Successful planning anticipates realistic human behavior. | Sep 21 21:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Telling people keep it in your pants until you're married anticipates what probably 1 or 2% will actually do, so it's a public policy disaster. | Sep 21 21:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So Walmart becomes the "free condoms" source. | Sep 21 21:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because the Indiana health department isn't doing their job. | Sep 21 21:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 60% of this generation is never getting married, honestly. | Sep 21 21:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It stands to reason that either marriage based green cards will go way down or USCIS is forcing people into shotgun weddings to make the papers go through. | Sep 21 21:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not something most people would do for someone they don't really love. | Sep 21 21:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You get married and it's way harder than moving out and using bankruptcy law to rip up your financial entanglements. | Sep 21 21:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If I had the slightest hint that Mandy was another John I would have ran like hell. He may be the the first person I've ever met who I would have married with or without the immigration people. | Sep 21 21:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Although I don't know that because it wasn't legal for me to get married until I was 30. | Sep 21 21:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Republicans defended that equal opportunity thing by saying I had just as much right to marry someone I wasn't even attracted to as any other man. | Sep 21 21:23 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR It's a lot harder to get rid of an immigrant after they marry a US Citizen. Not impossible, but much harder. | Sep 21 21:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So the government tries to stop it by denying marriage visas. | Sep 21 21:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was told the Philippines and Mexico, they're always denied now. | Sep 21 21:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They have to come here as a tourist or a student or something. | Sep 21 21:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then the feds can't stop the state from issuing a marriage license. | Sep 21 21:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was reading some more about the history of slavery in Illinois. | Sep 21 21:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It existed here. | Sep 21 21:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They made their slave sign an indenture contract for 99 years. | Sep 21 21:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Public sentiment shifted in a landslide towards abolition in most of the state and it was enough to prevent the state from seceding. | Sep 21 21:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Few people saw blacks as equals, but the majority were horrified at the concept of owning people. | Sep 21 21:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they resisted the fugitive slave law by breaking captured slaved out of jail and stuff. | Sep 21 21:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Indiana was close to seceding. The governor was a Republican, but the Democrats had a majority in the legislature and were trying to secede. | Sep 21 21:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The governor of Indiana almost had to declare martial law and ask for federal troops. | Sep 21 21:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | To this day it's really the southern part of the state. Illinois too, but there's not enough people down there to matter. | Sep 21 21:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They threw in with the losing party and the Democrats can get to a supermajority without them. | Sep 21 21:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's going to really hurt them. They tend to get about $2.80 in state spending for every $1 in state taxes. | Sep 21 21:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's a huge bailout from Chicago really. | Sep 21 21:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I ran the numbers and if they lopped off the 5 county area around and including Chicago, the rest of the state is poorer than Mississippi. | Sep 21 21:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's years of neglect from Chicago politicians, who are now in total control. | Sep 21 21:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The banks are taking good care of Chicago as far as the fact that it's still on the map at all. It's because it's where they're all based. | Sep 21 21:39 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz Stallman talked about a financial transaction tax. The idea has come up in Illinois, but no serious consideration. | Sep 21 21:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It might work, but they'll never allow it. | Sep 21 21:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Finance is a large part of state GDP and nothing gets done without them giving it a green light. | Sep 21 21:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's like New York. Look at the mess they're in. Do they tax Wall Street? Never. | Sep 21 21:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Cuomo shot down the idea before someone could get the question out. | Sep 21 21:42 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I read about that young man who killed himself in Illinois because Robin Hood let a 19 year old get into options and showed him a -$730,000 balance. | Sep 21 21:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He didn't know what that meant and walked in front of a train. | Sep 21 21:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Robin Hood said oh that wasn't really a -$730,000 balance. The contracts were just in flux. Sorry about that. | Sep 21 21:44 |
| XRevan86 | http://poorlydrawnlines.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/so-successful.png | Sep 21 22:18 |
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